okay good evening my name is Bob Connors it's a 6:03 PM I'd like to call the February 18th meeting of the Newbury Conservation Commission to order Mason could you read the remote open meeting law Preamble and take a roll call of the
members present good evening everyone as a preliminary matter this is Mason fck conservation agent and the new Conservation Commission and I call the February 18th meeting to order and permit me to confirm that all members are present and can hear me Members when I call your name please respond in the
affirmative Mary rimmer yes TJ KY Mick Brown yes Diane O'Brien Woody Knight yes Frank weton Camp yes and Bob Conners
yeah good evening everyone this open meeting of the new Conservation Commission is being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th 2020 due to the current state of emergency in the Commonwealth due to the outbreak of the covid-19 virus in order to mitigate the transmission of the covid-19 virus we
have be we have been advised and directed by the Commonwealth to Su to suspend public Gatherings and as such the governor's order suspends the requirement of the open meeting law to have all meetings in a publicly accessible physical location further all members of public bodies are allowed and encouraged to participate
remotely ensuring Public Access does not ensure public participation unless such participation is required by law this meeting will feature public comment for this meeting the new Conservation Commission is convening by Zoom conference as posted on the agenda of the Conservation Commission Section of the town's website identifying how the
public may join please note that this meeting is being recorded and that attendees are participating by video conference accordingly Please be aware that other folks may be able to see you and take care not to screen share your computer and anything that you may broadcast may be captured by the recording applicants or their
representatives may be called upon to speak and or share the information to the screen if able on the Fly we're now turning to the first item on the agenda but before we do so permit me to cover some ground rules for Effective and clear conduct of our business and to ensure accurate meeting minutes the chair will introduce each speaker on the
agenda after they conclude their remarks the chair will go down the line of members inviting each by name to to provide any comment questions or motions please hold until your name is called okay thank you Mason upcoming meeting dates we have much 4th and March
18th coming up meeting Minutes review February 4th why don't we take a moment take a look at those and see if there's any comments Corrections or concerns okay hearing none I will entertain a motion to approve the
meeting minutes for February 4th as written the moved thank you Mary second second thank you witty okay uh all in favor Mary yes Woody yes
Mick Frank yes and Bob Conor V all right next order of business we have a RDA for8 plumbush TOS applicants are submitting an RDA for renovating home on plumbush down the
dwelling is within 100 ft of salt Mar but will have no outward expansion out of the existing footprint upward extension only Mas can can you provide an overview and a recommendation on this RDA yeah so uh the property is
on plumbush Downs within that 100 foot of the salt marsh um originally it was upward extension only um but today the applicant had reached out um wanting to expand the shed to be flush with the front of the deck um and for the deck in the back to also go the full length of
the house um I believe everything is in the folder um and the applicants are here um for any questions as well okay could you put the plan up that is there a plan on this Mason uh yep and Mason I have some materials as well just
following our conversation earlier today by email too if that's helpful yep good evening Tammy and and Margaret hi Bob hello good to meet everyone good evening hopefully everybody's staying warm it's been a
cold cold cold winter so far okay if you could zoom in on that that would be helpful okay well Tammy or Margaret do you want to make your presentation yeah of course Mason it might be easier if I share my screen if that's okay just for a couple minutes I have
a clearer version of this um it looks like I'm getting a notification that says host disabled participant screen sharing I can change that one second no worries just check the waiting room too for for members too just in case yep
we're good okay you should be able to sh now are we perfect just give me one moment my my settings are also changing I think Zoom didn't update okay can you all see my screen yes if you could just zoom in a
little bit that would be great yes of course okay that's good thank you so on the left hand side you'll see we have current um and on the right hand side we have proposed we also have some detail view as to current and proposed changes in square footage um and there is a key
here at the top right hand just for some of that really small print that might be difficult to read so starting with the current um I don't know if you all are familiar with the property um in plumbush Downs it's unit eight uh it's a
small footprint 648 square feet for living quarters with a back deck as well as a front front deck as well and then an existing shed on the property so we are proposing to enclose the front deck and expand the living quarters to be uh
840 squ ft uh we'd like to extend the back deck to reach the length of the back of the house and then extend that shed just out um slightly to increase our ability for storage um for all the deck furniture for the winter months um
when those when those ones do come in there is an existing gravel um if you will drag driveway um it's Loosely I would call a driveway it's not been wellmaintained over the years so it's uh pretty uh sort of not as not maintained
and not really a set driveway as it stands today so we would like to uh propose moving that driveway to the front of the lot um and utilize the existing roadway gravel that is already there um and there is also a brick
walkway that is in place that is not compliant so we'd actually propose to remove that brick um and replace with just Beach Grass shrubs um or lawn just to maintain um the with the with the rest of the property so anything that you don't see that doesn't have a
marking is grass lawn um and there is you know it's a big lot with a small property so there is a good amount of lawn that we'd like to just keep as is and maintain um as such it's a really beautiful property so we really would like to make sure that we bring that to
life um and really just add to it over time with some additional shrubs the last thing I will note is that behind the shed on the right hand side we are proposing um propane tins to come in um with a gravel sort of just square area
underneath for Access purposes so I'll pause there for any questions comments from Bob or other members of the the committee okay why don't I open this up thank you Margaret right
Tammy maret sorry about that well your labels are backwards okay thank you I'll open this up to questions from the members Mary I'll start with you questions uh for Tammy well well this one's for Mason
actually do we have any photos of the yep yeah I can share those yeah I'm familiar with this that I I drive by it every day I think that um my initial reaction is just uh not exactly what I was expecting for RDA um when it was
originally it's submitted as a a just a going up so the paperwork doesn't conform with the the um plans now and this would be work that we would typically require notice of intent for so with the change in the driveway and
the construction and the shed the propane takes and all the deck expansion would typically fall into the notice of intent category so so yeah be curious to see the plans yeah but you would be happy to
share those that's no problem at all um and I know Mason we had sort of gone back and forth over email today so the shift was really around um some of the changes that we had decided to make that weren't relevant to the existing
Foundation that we're building upon for the actual living structure so it was a little bit of a miscommunication on our part but we're happy to share the plans as they've been submitted um for zoning Etc okay Mason can you expand on the pictures I guess that's what we yeah
they're just thumbnails right now oh sorry about that yeah if we could expand on them and just go through them all that'd be great and Mary will tell you to stop when she wants a closer look hey you're back can you tell me um Margaret if this is on a it's on a full
Foundation now is that yes yep you guys see this no just thumbnails if you click on those will they expand Mason uh they are expanding it's just
not showing on the screen share I'm not sure why here we go okay there we go so Tammy this is a picture of your existing deck and you're basically going to square the house off yes
okay this is in the existing driveway right now and then this last uh and this is representative of the shed you're talking about yes yes so is will the shed be just moved it's you're not
going to rebuild the shed or are you g to rebuild a shed and attach it to the building uh so we were planning on um rebuilding it um definitely reciting it and then just bringing it Forward I believe four feet yeah so just keeping
the footprint but extending it by foret forward um just to gain a little bit of extra space so you taking it down and rebuilding or are you just working with this we're working with the existing structure as as much as possible and trying to maintain what's there but with
what we found through um just initial exploratory exploratory demolition it's that there's good bones to work with but just needing reinforcement okay got it and then um for your foundation for your addition is that a ped concrete
foundation so it's actually um piles so the front deck is on piles the remaining existing quarters are on um a port foundation so would they what kind of piles are they proposing for the
addition do you know um oh that's a good question is it steel piles I believe it was steel okay that's all the questions I have for Okay so Ju Just for clarity why you leave those pictures up if you if you could Mason yep I'm on the shed you're
just going to move the shed in its entirety four feet forward and then you're putting the propane tanks behind the shed is that what you're doing yes okay all right let's move on Woody questions B Tammy on this one just a clarification question um I
understand the shed I understand it's on the foundation but you are going up as well with the area the deck and then basically putting a second FL in the existing yes okay and I don't have any
other questions at the moment okay thank you Woody uh Mick questions for Tammy or Margaret on this project uh Y no that looks like a good project uh so the the shed is going to stay the existing shed is going to stay
where it is and you're just going to extend it Forward four feet right yes uh okay and have you guys done a a calculation so I know you have deck that's going to wrap around the back like for the kind of north side and east side you're gonna have deck that wrap
around correct you're gonna add a deck right so there is an existing deck that wraps around we were looking to add I believe uh it was just 80 square feet to complete that deck so there was Mason one of those pictures from the back that
did have that showed that the deck stops about Midway a little over Midway down the back of the house so um repair what's currently there um and if possible round that out to the end of the house and you're going to have in this
I'm looking at the picture with the porch in the shf so that that front is going to extend down in front of the shed onto the existing correct have you done a calculation of uh like existing
impervious and and what's going to be impervious post construction like where the where the house is going to say is there a net loss or a net gain so I just to clarify because I want to
make sure I answer your question correctly when we talk house are we thinking the entire structure inclusive of all the decks and shed or is it are we talking about just about the property itself that's on the existing Cen Foundation
just I think it's the expansion yeah the expansion from the existing footprint is X you're extending the deck it's going to be elevated off the ground so that's not going to directly impact you know the it's not going to create an
impervious surface but one question of clarity I'm confused now are you expanding the footprint of your shed by 4 feet or or are you just moving the shed as it's in its current size forward
or you just expanding the shed 4 feet we were hoping to expand it four feet and not move it so just expand forward by four feet okay so that would that would be an impact on impervious versus
impervious where that sits on the ground yeah I was more concerned just the extension looks like it will Encompass the picture I'm looking at now is the front picture with in the in the deck so the house is going to extend now over
that deck correct that now part of the home that deck it is going to be enclosed and the house will extend over right that's all I was getting at Bob is like how much or is going to be roof line as opposed to being open like the deck is right now that's all I was going
for yep so that's to answer your question M it's 192 square feet that have roof head over that front deck okay all right cool and and you were removing how many square feet of the stone driveway and replanting it so the brick
is 36 square feet okay so that would be minus 36 square feet and it's you said 192 would be the expansion so the 192 is just the house
um the roof line coming over the front deck as seen in this picture the shed for feet addition would be 44 square foot uh difference so Delta there um and then
where I subtracted the deck so when we think about sort of living quarters building versus deck decking I subtracted 112 square feet from the front deck which will now be enclosed
okay I am confused I'm missing something can we go back to the site plan I think there's architectural plans that were submitted as well that might be helpful yeah yeah let's look at those because right now I'm just looking at Tammy that you're Min you're deducting 36 square feet of brick let's
call it impervious but you're expanding uh impervious Surface by 236 square feet so it's a 200 foot net increase on Imperia surface if
I'm if I'm doing my math correctly and I'm understanding what you're doing yeah I mean so we if you're counting the front deck then that maths makes sense we would see the front deck is elevated so it's not impervious
because water rain can go through the deck or run underneath it and it would still be absorbed you know okay into the into the ground or add to the uh you know the water table Yeah if we could just put up that yeah so I got 236 for
the impervious and then minus the 36 yeah so it's that 200 okay that 200 yeah y okay yeah that's what I was asking okay now so on your front and you're putting go go to the uh the top of the top page which gives you
the front elevation okay and you're adding stairs to the front are those what do you what type of you're putting in guys what are you thinking so we haven't gotten that far um really whatever you tell us is okay to put in we'll do we're not sort of
partial to that um obviously we want to make sure it's compliant with the land around it and it's not disturbing any of the wonderful Wildlife there so you guys totally direct us there whatever you have seen others do or what you find or what your recommendation is we'll take for sure were you thinking like an
escalator or maybe yeah you know you know what is is it going to be just wood steps and a wood Landing or are you thinking a masonary set of steps no not Mason okay so it would be what so I guess the question is
we're trying to figure out what's the impact on impervious versus you know perious surface so wooden steps wouldn't impact it have so the the net 200 stays the same okay Mick anything else and I'll C back once more to everyone just to no no
I'm good good for now thank you thanks Tammy and Margaret y yeah Frank any questions on this for either Tammy or marar uh none at this time Bob thank you
okay all right so so guys usually if you were doing an upward expansion uh we wouldn't have a problem with that we what we do ask is that you you get an email uh from the building
inspector on the 50/50 rule where that if you exceed if your cost of your development is going to exceed exceed 50% of the existing value of the structure not not of the structure and lot then you have
to be compliant with current current building codes uh for that for that District um the expand ition extending the deck you know we we we've entertained that before um it really comes down to me I
guess is by expanding the footprint of the shed you're you're you're really you're expanding the imperious surface so it's a closean I think you know I've driven by this your yach is
pretty much a grass a grass yard right a grass line yeah and it's you know it's a fully developed area so I'm I'm I'm actually fine with the RDA I think that with the right
amount of conditions and getting a determination from the building inspector that this is not going to exceed the 50/50 rule simply because if if he comes back and says yes this is you're going to exceed it because of the the value of your
improvements it it changes what's before us because then you're doing different stuff but so let me Circle back Mary I want to Circle back to you and follow up on your thoughts yeah a couple more questions so you're in the flood zone here obviously
um so you need the do you have any information that the new construction is is going to be flood zone compliant I mean do we we don't have the actual ground elevations compared to your
that that'll be a building inspector issue but I'm I'm raising it because some of it has to do with us in terms of you know the type of construction proposed flow through foundations and whether or not propane tanks need to be elevated above the flood zone so we don't have any ground
surface elevation to be able to determine that um we don't have upto-date lot coverage um because the lot coverage requirements include decks and you know stairs and
all that are are of the lot coverage requirement so and and you've made some changes to the plan that I don't see reflected in the information I have right now so I don't I think we need to get some
consistency and what you know like adding the decks to the architectural plan so that we can see the dimensions of the Decks that are proposed compared to what's there now um I I just think that there's a bunch of loose ends that aren't here already I I do I am
concerned about consistency with other projects and that you know where you're actually constructing an addition within a resource which is in this case boarding Lan subject of flooding in addition to buffer zone to the marsh um
that you know we have in the past required notice of intense for those types of projects so I'm just throwing it out there for the Comm to consider there would be a number of conditions that we would have to add to any determin if we did an RDA determination
applicability and they're difficult to enforce if it's tied to a plan that shows what we're talking about so some of these things aren't shown we don't Foundation plan we you know so there's just missing information yeah I
I think Mary makes a good point Tammy and Margaret that you know at a minimum you really need need to update your plans uh and your application to to reflect your your current wishes of uh of construction so question on your
current Foundation is it a full basement or is it just a is it P concrete or masonary block I'm just curious it's uh they're masonary blocks it's a it's a 4 foot crawl space essentially
withad okay okay all right Mary anything else before I move on to Woody okay Woody what are your thoughts on this one any any follow-up questions follow questions um I just Mary brought up some good points
yeah always does yep Frank any any further comments for for Tammy and Margaret I'm just I have a question for Mary Mary um even if they're building on the ex existing um
Foundation if it's not more than a 50% increase in value is it still required to raise the building for flood um this is right so are we in this is still the pl Island overlay District
Bob I uh but you know what it's it's similar to John hot's house I mean I think the only thing they really have to do one they're proposing to put it on pilot addition right but we don't know it's
elevated we don't know if it's the addition is elevated because there isn't any indication that it is I mean I think it I think it would it would be uh considered probably a a minor renovation because you would match the
floor elevation of the first floor for the practicality of that right um they I don't know about the building code requirement for if for new construction in the flood zone I I I assumed you had to increase you know raise it so that
it's compli it but so why don't we let me make a suggestion team and to you Tammy and Margaret I'm going to suggest that you update your plans you you update your drawings that you talk to the building inspector okay because at a
minimum we're going to we're going to ask you he he's got to give you a or send an email to Mason just basically saying that the 5050 rule will not apply and it's it's really only
if he exceeds the 5050 rule do you have to comply with current blood standards so we've already we've already actually met with Peter on site we did a site visit with him way before we ever even submitted our plans to have this type of discussion Mar that you were talking about right right want to make sure
we're being compliant with the flood elevation or with the elevation due to flooding we want to make sure that we're um that we're we can build right on the existing footprint as it is from a structural standpoint so we had Peter come out and just take a look walk around um looked at the existing
Foundation looked at the piles that were underneath the front decking area and he did give us the go-ahead we did talk about that 50/50 rule so making sure that we stay underneath that in order to be compliant so we had already had all those discussions with him that he then
gave us the go ahead to submit our permit for the building okay so since then the only changes that have happened have been the um extension of the back deck and the shed being extended by four feet so if it's not possible to move
forward with those um then we can definitely go down that road but the plans for the house structure itself have not changed since we had that initial conversation with Peter okay yeah the 5050 rule in the in the flood plane issue are two different things so
um just so that they're not overlap but I think think it would be helpful if if this plan chose to shed the you know the type of foundation that's proposed for the addition the driveway location that you where you want to put it and the and the table that gives us the impervious
area then we'll have enough information to be able to reference a plan instead of writing a whole bunch of special conditions that that would have to cover those things that aren't on the plan so yeah and I think they and it sounds like Peter is is already made the
determin ation on the 50/50 rule if if he could just quantify that in an email to Mason uh that that would be very helpful and whether or not you have to raise your propane tanks too I forgot to add that yep absolutely okay and so what
I'm going to suggest is why don't why don't you undertake that uh that course of action and why don't we continue this to our March 4th meeting okay and and see if we
can take this route of of an RDA okay okay yeah I I don't have a problem with the dector that's not impervious the shed may become a kicker where that you're actually adding some impervious the impervious footprint
starts to grow um and you're so you mentioned you were removing Stone and you were replanting it with lawn or something what was but you mention something about it
almost sounded like maybe I Mis I misunderstood you were eliminating some of the stone driveway because you were moving it away from the house or am I there's an existing brick walkway that we want to remove and just that's the okay that's the only thing okay Y and
sounds like the driveway is now just lawn mostly and you want to make a actually establish a driveway so the driveway where it sits today is not really a driveway it's been really not well maintained we're proposing to not
change the actual footprint of it but just move it to a different location on the property and what surface do you want to use to on the driveway just a gravel dri like a stone y all right any other questions for
Tammy and Margaret does that sound like a pathway forward for for you yeah and we can definitely connect with Peter um and then make the adjustments that you recommended and come back and discuss on the 4th of March yeah I I mean for me the the only the only kicker right now
is expanding the the shed for me that may trigger it to an noi um because it's just the impervious surface unless you're actually showing something typically what we try to do what shouldn't say what we try to do
what we typically request is an Offset you add impervious surface what are you eliminating so that there's no net impact to the resource area so so again it's just kind of the math thing but yeah I mean from my planting or
something to offset those impacts yeah yeah you know from my perspective the the deck is part of the footprint uh incorporating that in the house I mean for me personally that doesn't that doesn't bother me and the
extension of the deck which is not going to be any closer to the resource because it's going to match what's existing um isn't a stumbling block for me but the shed might be so just we'll War you with that so w with that I'm going to
recommend that you ask us to continue this to our March 4th meeting do we do we ask you yeah yeah you have this isn't really a public hearing but it's it's it's a public meeting and if you would like us to do
that we will we will do that yes we'd like to ask to continue this to the March 4th meeting okay all right well thank you guys because it's not a public hearing doesn't require a formal vote of the board uh to continue the public hearing all right good luck and like I
say the key thing is getting that email from Peter and it sounds like he's already made a decision on that okay moving on we have uh three outstanding enforcement orders 30 Riverview 62 Middle Road and
105 Northern Boulevard none of these require any action on the part of the commission tonight so I'm going to move on uh we have no extension requests we have no certificate of compliance requests so I'm going to move to our the
first continued public hearing it's D file number 0501 1436 for 286 high road to construct an addition to the existing single family drawing with Associated utilities expanded
driveway within 100 foot of the buffer to the Salt MH area now this has been changed and I see Bill Holtz is is on the call Mason why don't you give us an update team I there was a site plan a revised site plan added to the dropback
Box uh today I did that come in today when did you get that plan Mason um no I believe that was before today okay okay so Tim I I may have just added
that today would have been um you click on the link there was that and then there was a uh kentway buffer analysis that had been provided or Kent Island excuse me for the last two additions to the to the drop
box and like magic Bill put up the plan I think it was Mason oh okay Bill why don't you identify yourself if you would in the in this givers presentation it sounds like you've uh modified your approach and have drastically reduced
the the project in scope yes and I'd like to be able to explain that to you and bring you up to date um and notice that my the applicant and his architect is not on the meeting I don't know why but um so I'm going to give you a update
and we'll go over it briefly what the changes are um which are significant uh and then if you have any questions in regards to what they're actually doing with the building um that would be the applicant in the uh inside the building that would be the applicant in the arch
which I really can't explain but I'll explain the site work that we're proposing now um can I uh share my screen Mason so it move around it says disa still should be good to go now
okay can you all see that yeah so on the left hand side you'll see the current existing conditions um which is the existing house assisting Barn assisting driveway with 100 foot resource off of
the uh Marsh and we have the 2001 100 foot buffer zone I mean a river front area down here which is kind of in dispute with D um and I'm going to cover that in just a second because I have a a second
diagram which you haven't seen which I will bring up um just to kind of go over the impact of the RO front area which we believe is zero um again we're not changing anything on the site um ultimately um so this is the new site
plan um Mr hasker and uh his architect went back and forth with historical um commission historical buildings and uh there was some push back from them on the increase in the size of the building
uh all the additions in the driveway um so long and short of it is that Ron decided to just cut everything back he just wants to take this existing barn and basically rebuild it on a new
foundation so we have eliminated the proposed driveway which if we recall was down on this side sort of provided access to a side a garage under that was going to be created in a turnaround driveway which is going to cause some
vegetation to be removed a couple of large trees um so that's been eliminated completely so we're just going to stick with the existing driveway as it is um he's going to take the building raise the building carefully piece by piece
they're going to save all the uh materials that are you know the wood de siding the structure itself uh that's that is salvageable going to salvage all that with the numbering it so they can try to put back together in the same order um the same way uh and then
they're going to remove that off site probably uh uh restore some of the components of it that need to be and replace ones if they can um by building new new members and all that new uh wood frame structures and all that that will
replace what's there um poor New Foundation in the exact same location same size same height um discussing it with the historical commission they cannot increase the height of the building the roof line so they have to match what's there so the
foundation will be the same height um then they're going to replace then rebuild the whole structure back on top of that uh new New Foundation to give it a good base and of course they want to try to um renovate the inside remodel it one of the renovations that he really
kind of wants is a new bathroom in that out building just to keep it so you can use the bathroom out there rather than having go into the house um what that will require is obviously a new Pike out of the house out of the barn in a new
pump chamber that will be in the ground located in this area which is essentially lawn right now then a new pipe going into the assisting house which will be pumped into the assisting house connected to the interior plumbing and going into the tank and then out into the system this doesn't change any
uh of the capacity requirements for the septic it's basically adding a bathroom you can always add a bathroom to a garage or a bond or an out building um without changing the flows required for title five or increasing the size of the system so that's it's basically a from the port of
heal standpoint we haven't filed with them yet we want to get to conservation first but we will file a plan with that proposed tank and a pump uh designed for it so essentially what we did was we brought some of the uh erosion control
back it's now up about we need some room to be able to build do this construction work so we haven't set back some but we brought it up above we had originally on on the uh all the original tree line and then actually went into the tree line over here so we had some disturbance of
the of the vegetation in this area we brought that all back up we going to save this tree this small tree here that's just to the right of the barn um will probably be in Jeopardy I'll try to save it but it'll probably be in jeopardy with all the work that's going on to to dig the
foundation stockpile the soil um from that and then rebuild that Foundation rebuild the uh the actual uh structure so we think that tree may be in Jeopardy if it is then we place it a similar Tree
in a simar location once it's um done there is some Landscaping in this area as well that will be replaced um BB St during construction we replaced them after the construction um and that's essentially really the only
change is prior as the vegetation goes is that we're not going to be cutting any of this vegetation down and limited work has BR brought up to eliminate some of the disturbance closer to the uh assisting vegetation um and uh no driveway and no
addition so it's really scaled back quite a bit um so that's I have a chart here that describes basically all the impacts to the resources and essentially the table of a
lot area alterations including all the imperious areas the House Bar pavers the walk papers for the drive the Decks that are here the Decks that are freestanding that are already attached to the house attached to the bond and summarized all that at 4,427 Square ft and the lawn and
landscaping which is previous alter alteration areas on the lot and within the 200 foot and within 100 foot and that go up to 11,000 a total 15,000 65 Square ft um and then
there's remaining about 5,479 square feet of un alted uh tree tree line basically the un alted uh trees and shrubs that are beyond the tree line existing within the riverfront area
right now we're showing zero work because we using the river front that we had from 2014 which is the Bank of the paraca river uh if you recall D um identified on the USGS a
uh ditch we call it a ditch or they call it a stream it's a you can actually see the corner right here portion of it it kind of comes down and goes back out to U right before the bridge that's where it enters the Parker River this ditch is sort of parallel to
the to the actual um River itself and then there's a couple of smaller man-made ditches that come off that which are for grains flow out of catch bacin on Route One and this is just uh flow through the I think it was probably
mosquito ditch that was St through the uh msh um now these we have seen not flowing um and we have seen them they're not actually these these side uh stitches are not located on the USGS map
so they don't show up on that and I have seen them dry both of these we have not been able see it I saw it dry once but I wasn't really convinced that it was because it wasn't flowing it was just because it was ice it was Winter it tough to see um exactly how much flow if
any was coming out at the inlet to the Paca River so we're not I'm not convinced this is either going to it's going to be a perennial stream but I don't have the evidence we don't have the evidence now to say it's not if you call that
a stream that that uh ditch goes parallel to this to the river I have another sketch here which will show you increase the size of this a little bit so you can see it little easier
yeah so here's that my piece of that uh ditch that goes parallel to the screen which is on the USGS map and here's the ditches that are not and so I got I put in here it's intermittent Reserve Drive no no flow
and same with this one so I don't think these are going to be anywhere won't be considered peral streams or part of the river um whereas I think that might be and if we did say that was and we acas and just said we agree that that's a perennial stream here's the 100 foot and
here's the 200 foot um and then of course you get more Riverfront area on the lot however again we're not changing anything this is already lawn and you know the Landscaping p uh pavers on the driveway the existing Barn existing
house all the riverfront area that's alted is going to stay the same um they don't consider the lawn to be it's aled but it's it's more perious that it's not the same criteria as it's not as much distance in the on the River Front as
driveways and and and buildings are so I think this comes out to be 14,000 squ ft of area in the riverfront and again this this little part of the driveway is not in the riverfront so that that takes out that
little portion uh but there's about 14,000 it's in the chat on B of this plan I didn't give you this plan because my client wasn't want to acest to the to the actual Riverfront but I just kind of show demonstrating that if it is we do have more Riverfront area but we're not
altering the additional Riv front area it's going to stay the same as it is so we have no increase in Alteration of the rine area by doing this reduced Po's work U uh from what was originally proposed you obviously the original proposed work
would have increased some uh impervious area within the within the riverfront put altered the riv front even further so just kind of trying to demonstrate that matter what the riverfront comes out to be whether D is correct know I think we get it bill it I mean basically
you're not changing the footprint or the size of the existing structure I mean honestly the only thing you're going to be adding differently would be the pump chamber right right I almost if I had done this originally I would have said this probably on RDA personally yeah I think it's very
limited now if you have questions on what's going to happen in the building I cannot say exactly I know they're going to remodel it but I don't know exactly what they're planning on doing I do know that the outside will look very similar to what's there now um because they sort of required to replace it in a similar
manner historic why don't you Hold there let let me just ask a couple of questions have there been any additional D technical comments this has been submitted have they made any technical comments on on this subm I just submitted it so I don't have anything so
what we'll need to Calla continue it for two weeks and see if there's any comments on this particular new plan um I'm hoping they will say hey we agree either way whether the riv whether the river font is more or less U there's going to be no change in
the actual work on the site or the conditions of the site so I mean from my perspective you're not increasing the footprint you're not increasing inovia surface you're basically doing a renovation the the only thing you're adding is the pump
chamber yeah yeah that's underground to lawn and cross over the uh the walkway which we we may uh Jack that under so they don't have to even dig it up okay okay I'm that's that's those are my questions at the moment Mary what questions do you have uh no I mean it's
pretty straightforward this is if it is a river which I don't think it is that um it would be Redevelopment of an existing previously developed River Front area so it's not it it doesn't present a problem if you do get updated comments from DP you'd have to get them
by contacting the reviewer finding out who the reviewer is and getting them directly over the phone they won't update their website so okay um but but you know it's good that you submitted the revised plan I don't have a problem closing the hearing with this revised plan if that's the plan of record
um I don't have any other comments really okay yeah thank you Mary I I agree as well Woody what are you any questions what are your thoughts on uh this modified application looks pretty straightforward and I I don't have any comments or questions thanks okay thank
you witty Mick any questions or comments on just uh couple of quick questions regarding the existing uh Barn foundation so you're going to be knocking that out Bill yes they'll be removing whatever remnant of the it's I think it's a stone foundation now that
we removing that and actually pouring a new concrete foundation size yeah is it is it concrete floor now or it's not not concrete now no it's it's uh Stone oh interesting so it any very old building maybe it dates back to the 1700
yeah yeah I I'm familiar with it we all are I think um any evidence or any like historical use that you would be concerned about any soils or any any any material that you pull out of there that might be impacted
like has there been like boat restoration or boat work or fuels used in there things like that U that I do not know I know when I did I actually did the retic repair back in 2014 and we had reasonable soils in that
location um so it was good for septic so it was natural material yeah is likely there's some fill on this site I I mean I really can't speak to that because it's been 300 years in use so I don't know I don't know if any boats myself
personally ever been I I think it's been a it was a ticket house or something like that you might find Jimmy hoer and you're G well I just I'm just as a suggestion you know kind of you know just include precautions that in if we
in counter impacted soils we will you know we'll put them on poly we'll have Bales around them for your spoils location that's that's all I would suggest as a just in case any indication of any kind of U volatile compounds like
oil gas they'd have to call in LSP and deal with it absolutely not a fun thing but no just you you you never know what you're going to run into right when start digging a hole so especially you know next to River if there was boat activity you know just
I'm just saying just you know have that contingency in your plan that if we do encounter impacted soils or if we see a Sheen or something like that you know we're gonna you know put the soils on poly we'll have Bales we'll do you know soil testing or whatever just just as a
contingency that's all I suggest Bill if you if you if you discover that you have a volatile organic comp compound issue of some sort like you say you're going to get an LSP and you're going to come back and just give us a heads up with what they're going to do and I'm sure will be
reviewing this when they do the work and obviously um the building inspector as well so they have to do inspections if they they see anything we encounter anything or they see anything they'll I mean I would just I would I would suggest maybe condition in the in your
order conditions that says anything found you must contact it be contact the clation contactor uh building inspector but that's state law already though is it really isck any anything else you want add no I think there's no yeah that
was more of a guidance question I think yeah just you know you know have a contingency plan in place in case you do you never know when you start digging a hole um no otherwise you know it's it's no change in footprint here you know it really I think even Bill said it was it's more RDA at this point but we're
already at the noi yeah you know okay right anything else Mick no no thank you than thank you Mick Frank any any questions or concerns on this revised submitt no I don't have any questions
thank you okay I don't have any further questions Mary any any followup before I open this up to public comment no other than um afraid I'm gonna have to log off now so okay thank you Mary you're in favor of closing public Shing and moving
on to a considering an ny Rec condition all right thank you thank you okay Mason do we have any uh hands raised from the public on this project seeing none okay all right do any members have a request for additional information
plan Amendment or adding additional content to this notice of intent I do not no hearing then I will entertain a motion to close the publicar don't move
okay was that you Frank yes okay okay roll call all in favor Woody yes Mick hi Frank yes and Bob Connor's
votes yes all right uh now comes a what do we see for special conditions outside of our ordinary conditions Mason do you see anything that you outside of our typical conditions that seem pertinent I I think Bill was exactly
right this would probably come back as an RDA and been a lot less painless for for the the owner yeah know I don't have any other suggestions for special conditions at this time any any special conditions that we want entertain I'm
I'm fine with our just the usual condition agreed the usual sounds good erosion control so everything yeah the plan is very inclusive what we need to do okay uh I will entertain a motion to issue an
order of conditions for 286 high road with our usual conditions still moved second thank you Frank okay roll call in favor uh Woody yes Mick hi Frank yes Bob
Conners says yes Bill thank you uh Bill the only thing is is if the Board of Health gives you any changes anything on the pump tank which I just can't imagine um then you know let Mason
know and then we'll determine if it's any modifications for that I can U I'll give Mason a copy of the plan and then you can look at it as if it's a major or minor or yeah I I I can't imagine it's going to be anything right okay thank
you all right continue public hearing D file number 0501 1442 locken Road dam removal Gomez and Sullivan have submitted a notice of intent for ecological restoration project off the lock and Road Project involves removing
the lock and Road Dam to restore fish runs and major project elements include removing the dam stall installing stone scour protection for the 95 bridge and removing a small existing
wear Upstream project team and partners have completed all regulatory reviews and preparation Mason why don't you give us a recap of where we're at on this uh yeah so from um the last meeting it seems like the project team had answered
all the questions from the commission um and we were just kind of waiting on the 401 Water Quality certification from the state um but after further guidance from um the person reviewing 40 ones at the state um as well as the circuit Rider um it is not dependent on the commission's
issuance of the order conditions so um if the commission is interested and so moves then we would issue the order conditions um before that permit was acquired okay Susie one question I received a question from a resident and
it was simply on the GI on the USGS gauge station and in this question question was does that require a permit or approval from USGS to relocate that and I had sent them all the docs that
you had provided and but I said I would ask the question rather than look through everything and try to find it sure yeah um so the gate station won't be moved um what's there now is a weir
um that sort of sets the channel bottom at a more um uniform shape um which makes it easy for their gauging station to collect or record data
um but the gauging station will remain the shape of the channel bottom will just change so we're going to remove the Weir and in place put what's called a riffle which is just basically a very um uh sturdy Channel bottom with larger Rock which will ensure that the channel
bottom stays in place and stay is in the shape as it's built um as part of the project so um effectively nothing really will change the only difference that USGS will have to do is re-calibrate the station to um account for the different
shape of the channel bottom um so just to clarify that part but USGS has been a part of the project we've consulted with them and and had meetings with them multiple times both on site and virtually talking talking about the project and they've supported the project
um earlier on some a few different options of what to do with the US gauge was USGS gauge was looked at um this was an earlier design phases I think a couple years ago and um our team along with USGS and the DCR uh Water Resources
Commission I believe it is um went out and looked at a few different sites so potentially relocate the gauge as one option to deal with this um project but didn't find a suitable site so they kind of everyone agreed that just removing the Weir setting the channel bottom with
a riffle and then recalibrating the gauge was the best option so um we as a project team are going to um accom or pay for the cost of USGS to recalibrate the gauge and kind of reset their gauging station and that's part of our
project budget um but otherwise there isn't a formal um approval process but we have been working closely with them no thank you for that all right Mason what was the other I know there was a discussion with the bfield water
district and uh where did that end up I know that they they were hiring a peer review consultant a little late in the process at at this time but yeah they they had brought up some questions to me that I relayed over to Jill um and Jill had
outlined um all the answers to those questions in an email um but it sounded like bfield water district was still interested in um hiring third party review for questions um but at this time that's the only thing that we've heard okay well hopefully someone's on the
call from bfield water if they want to discuss that okay I'm going to open this up to questions from the members Woody do you have any any additional questions um on this project not at the not at the moment I'm good for now thank
you okay Mick are there any questions on this one no no further questions right now Bob thank you okay Frank any any questions uh for Susie or or Mason uh no not at this time thank you okay so Susie there was a couple of
minor changes Mason you would mention that uh did the town have to contact the abutter was there something did something change in the staging area that we talked about it and all these projects got to blend together I apologize I don't think so I don't think
's been anyes or changes since the last meeting okay do any members have any additional comments or questions or Mason yourself any additional comments or questions no I'm going to open this up uh to the public other there any raised hands from
the public that would like to ask questions or make a comment on this application see a lot of names here but if you do just if you would just give us your name and address and if not that's okay too okay uh Mason you you reached out to
bfield Water Commission today to let them Yep they're aware that the meeting is tonight and um that if they wanted their questions reviewed by the commission that that they'd need to be present okay and they've made no request to continue the public hearing until their P review came in um I don't
believe so okay so Tim I think oh sorry Bob go ahead yeah no I was just going to say so the the only open issue would be they're they're having a pair review done um again it's a little late in the process and I I know that the design
team has done a detailed review of groundwater and explain the impacts and where the wellfield is Downstream but I guess the only question open is we've received information that
Byfield water has engaged the third party pair review we don't know if that's been completed we don't know what the status of that is so the worst case is do we continue this for a couple of weeks or
do we proceed with the information we have which is there's been no such request uh enclosed the public county Susie you wanted to add some comments oh I was just going to say if it's helpful for the commission I'm happy to respond and sort of explain
um explain to the bfield water district if that's helpful okay yeah you know I think that would be with that adding Clarity is always helpful sure so as I understand they have two Wells um that are located Downstream of the dam um and
they had brought up these concerns to us uh earlier on in the project I think uh this was before I was involved in the project so at least two years ago um and so we did or Jill did investigate the well specifically as part of the most
recent design report which was um finished last year and so as a part of that review um they looked at the impact of water surface elevations Downstream on the wells and if it would if removal
of the dam would change um the elevations in the wells and so this is a run of river dam which I think the most useful way to think of it is essentially like a speed bump in the river so the same amount of water enters Upstream As Leaves Downstream um and by removing the
speed bump effectively nothing changes Downstream it's just that the water Upstream of the speed bump now moves faster um and doesn't get impounded but Downstream nothing changes so because the wells are Downstream and it's a run of river dam um there will be no impact
Downstream the water surface elevation in the river will be the same um under all flow conditions as it would be with the dam in place um so that was the main conclusion of the study they also had some questions about um this wasn't brought up most recently but earlier on
they had questions about um contaminants in the wells um so the we did some extensive um sediment analysis which is being reviewed as part of the 401 Water Quality shirt um and there were no
contamination levels that exceeded the S1 um standards for drinking water um the soils were or the sediment was relatively clean um and where there were some small exceedances for ecological
impacts we saw the same contamination levels Downstream as well as Upstream so there's no difference in the sediment um behind the dam as it currently exists Downstream so that's one piece of it also there's no real pathway for the sediments to get from the river to the
Wells the wells are um not impact by surface water um so the the water where they pull from is not um within influence of water surface so um you know the the surface water couldn't
transport the sediments to the wells in a way that it would impact the water that they draw from um so all of those things are outlined in the report and um Jill sent an email as Mason mentioned um sort of pointing to the sections in the
report where that's all explained provided a few figures as well um to further explain it and I I believe she talked to um a couple different people at the bfield water district um and it sounds like one of the people thought
that this was you know made sense and they understood the explanation and then another person said that they're still going to go with the peer review so um we're happy to continue working with them whether the commission decides to close the hearing tonight or not we'll continue working with them through their
period riew process okay all right do we have any other questions from the members I mean I'm good to go on this one I think that this has been what's this our third or fourth meeting on this no
questions okay well vetted Bob I think I'm I'm good okay Mason just another double check are there anyone any anyone from the you know the public that has raised hands not seeing any okay do any members have a request for additional
information plan Amendment or adding additional content this notice of intent I do not okay hearing then I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing so moved
second okay roll call all in favor Woody yes Nick yes Frank yes and Bob con is V yes okay um what special conditions with with
this is a our our ecological restoration project the checklist is pretty pretty substantial on this and we don't have a lot of wiggle room to reinvent the wheel on conditions on
this um so I think the the only thing isn't I think it's just going to be our our typical preliminary when Susie were you on the S sidewalk when we were all out there so I think in the field what we talked about was you know certainly
having a pre-construct pre-art meeting with with Mason that trees that were being proposed would be cut would be flagged in before that uh and I think what was the other thing
um I really think that was the only thing you were going to on the on the rubble you were going to lose that on cite as I recall or you're going to live load and haul it off or what was on which one sorry no this is when
when you when you're removing the uh the fish ladder uh you you were going to fill that in originally to use it as a as a a pathway to remove the dam and then as you backed out you were going to remove
all the all the rubble and just restore it to a natural gravel or compatible substrate you're you're hauling you're going to haul all that material offsite or yeah all the concrete will be taken offsite okay what about the stone I mean
a lot of that is just the fish L was primarily at thought Stone you're just going to leave that fill over it um we should double check with jail but if there's any natural materials I think they would stay on site but yeah any
concrete would come any manade materials would be hauled off site they moved and okay so for what I'd like to see Mason is that we just referenced that we're going to have a a pre-art meeting with the
agent to go over scope staging area that trees that are proposed to be cut will be fled and that all man-made materials uh will be removed and hauled off site Mick anything you want to add to
that that when you look at the checklist it's it's pretty deep no it's pretty comprehensive definitely no no I don't I don't have anything to add Bob I think we're okay Woody anything you want to add on that no you're at the I'm good
everything looks good okay Frank how about yourself I'm off set thank you B okay all right I will entertain a motion to issue an order conditions for the lock and Road dam removal with the conditions that I just proposed to be
incorporated so moved okay so Woody you made the motion y make you seconded second okay okay roll call vote all in favor Woody yes Mick hi Frank yes and
Bob Conor V here thank you Susie looking forward to the start of this I know Mason is just dying to be out there every week following this thing cool yeah me too I'm really excited so thanks everyone for your time we really appreciate it and uh yeah we'll be in
touch when we get going yeah like I say season right I think the big thing Susie is that work with the bfield water District because you you've got the appeal period so yep I think if you work with them um
it you may be able to forego a bump yep yeah we'll definitely continue to working working with them and Jill is already connected with the person that they've hired to do the peer review so um yeah I think we're on track there but uh we'll definitely let you
know if anything else comes up okay thank you okay next matter is a continued public hearing D file number 0501 1443 173 Hay Street hence Island Division officies and Wildlife is
submitting a notice of intent for an ecological restoration limited project the habitat restoration uh work at the William forward Wildlife Management Area management techniques include invasive
plant control General vegetation control prescribed fire and Timber habbit project documents include maps of the project area Mason uh why don't you give us an update on this I know there was one addition to the Dropbox today team
and it was a buff aone uh submitt that had been provided for the commission yeah so Ben had also uh submitted a a a document which I had shared with everyone um that kind of outlines the specific techniques um in relation to
each um buffer owner Source area um so that can also be seen in the drop box okay Ben anything else Mak it Mason before I open this up to bank nope that's all okay Ben good evening just identify yourself and provide an update
for the commission and and answer questions as they're proposed sure uh Ben Mai habitat biologist work for Massachusetts division of fisheries and wildlife submitted the noi documentation we had our first meeting last week uh we
had tried to schedule a site visit but um apparently it snows a lot in February and uh we couldn't quite make that happen yet um so part of the continuance was to try to get a site visit the other part was commission had
asked me to provide more information on each resource in buffer zone so I went out and documented um all the species found in the buff Zone and wetlands for each of the wetlands and um provided that with
pictures and maps and detailed techniques on what we're proposing to do to treat the invasive plants in each of those areas okay uh so Mason you had an email from Mary she had a number of questions
Mary Mary had a conflict after 7 o'clock and and had to uh go to another meeting Mason do you want to just read those and we'll go over them and Ben can respond to them and yep so the first one was uh the proposed limits of work and the plan
provided does not correspond with the parcel boundaries which is larger um so Mary wanted to see the actual area um of the actual square footage um of the work area can you can you just repeat that again Mason you know what you know what
we'll do Ben we'll we'll forward you the email so you'll have all of the comments on it I I don't think Mary would have a problem with that it becomes a public record once it lands in Mason's Dropbox
okay I just sent that over Ben okay okay yeah why don't you look at him Ben we'll just we'll talk about them in in general terms and and then what next steps okay hopefully that uh just give me one second email just came through
okay it'll be less laborious that we're all looking at the same Dock and not testing Mason Mason's uh oratory skills at 719 at night so Ben just as a as a recap from
the last meeting I mean I I I think in general terms uh the project was favor favorably received sound like it's going to be a great Improvement to the area and and to the resource the the hangup
for me was the we always require or even the department will require a site plan Wetland delineation proposed work versus existing conditions right so that's the only
hangup that I have and and again we've asked every one of our applicants to do that including rdas um and I think that Mary's questions here um so why don't we do this let's go
to Mary's first question you see it there it's proposed limits of work in the plan provided does not correspond with the pel boundaries which is larger so we'll need the actual area of the actual square footage of work
area okay so I guess uh I'm not clear on the on on what she's asking there I guess so she saying the limit the proposed limits of the work in the plan does not correspond with the partial boundaries so the
parcel of what Mass wildlife owns well I I I think it's the work area that you're going to be in it I mean your work isn't just limited to Upland areas correct no it it is not that's why yeah yeah
that's why it before us so I so I I think it in in concept we we I think it's a favorable project it just the the paperwork doesn't doesn't confirm I mean what what will happen is
when you're coming in for a certificate of compliance we don't have a plan to really reference these trees were going to be cut um and this work was going to be done versus what's existing and and what the
proposed work would be and it I mean that's one hangup that I have that's actually the only hangup I mean there's some other material things as fire is just means and methods of how we're going to ACC access stuff you
know what do you using for cutting trees is it going to be on manual or are you bringing out skid stairs and and stuff like that just and what pathway for and stuff like that but sure as far as the cutting uh so a force cutting
plan was already submitted uh it was revie I mean the force cutting plan is required under a force cutting plan act to be reviewed by Conservation Commission so yeah uh that was submitted with the plan and approved by the service Forester so the work that is um
proposed under that force cutting plan uh is is going to involve a feller buncher and a Ford or skid roads have been flagged as is required under chapter one force cutting plan um and any of the wetlands that are near where
those skid roads are or where the cutting are required to be flagged with Wetland flagging and that has been accomplished already so um I'm happy is that but is that on a plan though I mean I think that's where we're struggling that you know normally it sounds like
you've done the w delineation in in the work Zone with the flagging well the I have so there's there's five freshwater uh resource areas so the ones that are impacted with that are related to the force cutting plan have have Wetland delineation Flags
around them if the commission requires me to put flagging around all the other three then I can get that done this week that's not a problem um yeah so originally the issue is that that for us the the wetlands that we're just
treating invasives on were not proposing a difference in treatment for the buffer zone and the resource area because the invasives are pretty heavy across both of that so I I'm happy to do that um if the commission requires it but there's
not going to be a difference in I mean we're still spot treating invasive plants anything that's taller than six feet would be cut stem treated so we're we're applying selective herbicide to individual plants we're not broadcast spraying in the wetlands or the buffer zone so that's why the the more remote
ones that aren't being impacted by forry operations have not been flagged I'm happy to do that if that's the requirement um of the commission but the ones that are under the force cing plan have been done that way yes I mean honestly Ben I think if if you had the site plan with the
delineation and and propos you have a a massive project and in a good siiz area and it's it's it's tough to put all the pieces together without a cohesive plan just walking us through that and having
something that is memorialized so when the product is done when you finished your work you know we we we have a we we have a plan to refer to that covers the scope of your work sure sure and so I don't I don't know if the commission has
had a chance to look at the document that I submitted on Monday did Mason and that essentially it didn't have a s plan in it though showing it again it was a number of pages that you know I I to be honest with that I looked at it today and I put it in the
Dropbox for the commission is there a site plan in that package I looked through it quickly I I didn't see a so as far as like a overall site plan for the entire WMA no that's not in there the specific what's in
there specific management techniques to the areas that we are proposing to do work so everything that we're proposing to do I've described in that document that I sent um I've labeled it on a map uh I've provided the you know the
natural plant communities are that are there and and all the techniques that we're doing for the areas within there so it's essentially a site plan for Kent Island for those areas all right I'm going to stop there I'm going to open this up to questions
uh Nick what are your questions on this you're on you're on mute I don't have any specific it's it's a lot of information to to kind of get my head around you know right now and but I do agree Bob that know there's reference to several different Wetland
areas and it'd be good to have those delineated just you know following up with what you said it's good to have those delineated on a map so we can see where the different treatment zones are and where the different cutting zones are I you know there's a figure one provided here but
um provide I think the level of detail that we need to move forward okay thank you man what you what are your thoughts on this I agree with what's just been said and what you've been saying um otherwise I don't have any other questions or
comments if it was delineated properly on a map it would be great okay thank you Woody Frank what what are your thoughts on this I'm looking at the document he sent and at the very end there's a figure one map I'm not sure if
this is what you're looking for Bob or if you're looking for more detailed map than this but it does show the in uh yellow highlight the Kent Island noi prescribed fire project area
yeah you know what I mean what we typically look for Frank and and I'll just refer to your your neighbor at 30 Riverview uh for an RDA we required them have a site plan they hired a wetland
consultant I don't they they determined they did a delineation to determine what if any impacts had on it and and that was fixing a puddle in the yard right it just you know obviously
the board likes to have consistency with all the applicants and it I mean Ben from from my perspective you need a stamp site plan uh wherever you're doing work it all going to be tied into one plan that's what we
require from everybody else and we would expect the Commonwealth to uh set a good example well because otherwise we're just going to hear from everyone else if we don't require this from the Commonwealth am Mass uh that
why am I doing it to put a deck in my yard when in a way of a multi-acre area and resource areas and yeah so Bob just so I'm clear you you want Mass wildlife to hire an engineer to provide a stamp
on a plan I guess I'm unclear on exactly what you want as far as a stamped plan what what what we typically require is a stamp site plan that by who I guess it be a professional surveyor or a
professional engineer whoever can do a a survey and put it on a plan and then identify the proposed work uh in areas existing conditions could be what the Wetland what what the invasive is and
the proposed work is how are you going to treat it and and identify it by Zone um and I mean I think honestly I would expect that to be part of the package bank I know there's a cost involved in that but we we have
people that are putting on a 10x10 deck and they're required to follow the same uh process and when we don't do it the technical comments say well you must do it um so here can I just so I can point out so I've been working for Mass
wildlife for close to 20 years fouled nois and rdas across the Commonwealth and this is the first time uh me or any of my colleagues that work for Mass wildlife and we've done the same process have ever been uh required to provide a engineered stamp plan for this type of
work so I'm just I I don't know how we can do that as an agency as far as resources uh I have taken Scott Jackson's um delineation class at UMass you know I've delineated tons of wetlands before I can delineate the
wetlands I've provided the information on current conditions proposed conditions in the document I sent today to or this week to Mason but as far as Mass wildlife hiring a an engineer I I don't know how that we've never done that before I don't know how that
process would work um Ben hang on one second Mason you have your hand raised maybe you have some yeah just reviewing Mary's email again she had made a comment towards the end um saying that she doesn't feel that a stamp suror engineer plan is necessarily required for an ecological restoration project
where there's no structures or grade changes proposed um as long as the plan shows the required elements um she says that they're not typically required for ecological restoration projects in her opinion
correct I believe we sure I'm going to do whatever the commission would like I want to make sure that you guys get everything you need I I just uh have to I've just yes it's just something that's not been required from us from d and we
we' filed dozens and dozens of these I've never been required to provide that that's I'm just confused so no no listen Ben I I I understand it Ben this is honestly it's no reflection on the submitt that you've done you You' provided a tremendous amount of material
and detail but as can imagine for the commission to put it all in perspective uh you've got a number of different actions uh that you're you're
proposing uh I mean one thing we always require is you know prior to start of construction that trees that are going to be cut are going to be flagged and then we compare that to Wetland delineation you know certainly anything that's upin you know what you you have the appropriate
appropriate permits far and it's just I'm happy to I'm happy to put the flagging out across every area that uh the commission has jurisdiction over the the issue would be that you know for prescribed fire which we're proposing to
do Under the you know approved burn plan through the fire department you know there will be I I I mean we're not going to burn tons of Marsh but we are going to proposing to burn uh portions of the marsh just adjacent to the island in different years and so I just I don't
know how that I don't really want to put flagging in the in the marsh um you know what you know what let me let me let me just give this some more thought Ben to see if we can find a [Music] solution if you flag all the trees that
you propose to be to cut and and then you can identify the Wetland delineation in that area uh and obviously I I think that would be helpful that's what we would typically
see on a plan we would have the you know the delineation flag numbers you know versus the trees um I mean I don't know how else we can do this Mick you're sitting there in deep thought you want to add some comments uh here how do we find a
solution to this um no I I see I'm just actually I'm looking at at uh you know Ben's plan here and I can see you know to Frank's point where areas have been delineated I
think really about I think maybe going along with Bob it's there's a kind of gray area that we don't see delineated in a plan like you have your burn plan and like where is that where's the extent of that burn plan uh but you know Bob you alluded to
you know marking trees and marking wetlands area Wetland areas within those or in the vicinity of those of trees to be removed and you know if we could get in if that could be marked out and then if you could you know GPS those points in so we can see
them on an overall plan I think that would be helpful to us I don't know Bob if we could kind of meet in the middle there where listen necessarily may not necessarily need an engineered plan but if we can see those GPS marked areas
overlay say on the plan that you've provided you know the control the controlled burn isn't isn't a high concern obviously it's how you manage it more than anything else the invasive species notice if you're doing all these
singular it it would be you know knock yourself out on the controlled burn knock yourself out on the invasive control and but it's it's a tree clearing and then what relationship does it have to the resource
and so I think if we could at a minimum get all the tree trees that are going to be uh removed now certainly trees you once you do the delineation anything that's outside of jurisdiction you don't have to move we're only concerned about you
know what what the what's in our resource that we have jurisdiction and trying not to torture you more than we torture everybody else then but no no it's fine I I just want to make sure I provide the commission what they need so um I I don't want to take up tons of
more time but I on the submission that I gave Mason on the map that uh he had pulled up at the bottom so there's really only threee removal and that's outside of the force cutting plan so the force cutting plan does have cutting that's around some of the resource areas
but that's already been approved that's a different process um so the unit one and unit two on that map are non-native plantations and so those two areas have trees that are in the buffer zone that
we're requesting to remove the the rest of the cutting is you know is outside of that area um and so I'm happy to flag the uh salt marsh boundary there and show count the trees if that's what the
commission would like and um well I think what we saying in in in preparation for a site we still want to do a site a site one just for the obvious Ben I think at a minimum if if you can identify if you can flag the if
you can do the delineation and you can flag the trees that are going to be jurisdictional for us sure I I think that would be a good starting point and then at the conclusion of the site meeting we we can you know uh revisit
this and decide what if any other steps are needed whether a full sight plan is is required does that make sense Mick no I like that plan yeah I think getting boots on the ground out there is is essential to to moving forward and you
know I'm willing to make time to to get out there to help expedite things okay yeah unfortunately I was out there today and uh yeah it's it's walking access now from from the parking lot it's uh it's pretty rough I don't I don't think a
truck will make it so um yeah next week I think the weather next week is we're GNA have 40 degree days and we should be able to find something so so Ben what I'm going to suggest is if if you're in agreement if you can f if you can do the
delineation on on the wetlands and the resource uh you you what do you have a 100 foot resource there your salt MH there right yes yeah yeah we're outside the riverfront okay
and if you can identify you know where the where the buffers are the lineation and then marck the trees that within within our jurisdiction I think that would be a big help when we go out
there okay I can get that done okay and it sounds like you you can do that yourself too right I can yes okay Steve we we're trying to work with you mhone we're trying to I appreciate it trying to create some overtime for you when you're
Jo we don't we don't get overtime but that's fine all right let me do this uh I'm going to just go through the members one more time Woody you've heard the discussion would you like to add anything to that does that sound like a
a good first step yes it does yes and getting out there to see it would be to okay thank you Woody Frank what what are your thoughts that that you heard what we've discussed trying to find compromise
between what we typically do and I think it's just overwhelmingly the what you're doing it's just not a typical submitt for us yeah as you can imagine then so we're probably being overly conscious yeah I'm
fine with what you suggested Bob okay and M what do you the plan going forward site visit okay Mason you want to add any comments on this or any concerns you may have uh no nothing at this time okay
all right so Ben you saw Mary's questions uh on that email I can uh I can work through those and respond to each one and return it to Mason if that's the best yeah why why don't you do that and then she can then she can provide that to uh to to Mary
and actually send that out to the members sounds good okay because it's been introduced um actually I'll put these in the Dropbox tonight Mason I I saved these right everyone will have them then you can respond to them Ben and I think
that'll expedite uh the process at the next meeting hopefully we get the site visit done sign off on the the flagging and the delineation U cover these questions with Mary and and go from there I don't know if this is I don't know if
this is worth bringing up or not but I noticed in the U proposal that you still have Doug Packer and his contact information as the uh conservation agent I mean that's not that's not Doug in the upper right hand
corner of my screen a a younger newer version you know what Doug Doug's been a fixture in the town for a long time and done a lot of good work for the town but Mason is just excelling at all
levels okay all right that is there anyone from the public that has a comment at this time seeing none okay all right Ben uh are you requesting a continuous this public hearing to our March 4th
meeting I am I I enjoy meeting with you all every other week so let's just keep it going I appreciate the commission's time thank you thank you okay uh I will entertain a motion to continue
the public hearing to our March 4th meeting at the applicant's request so moved okay is that Mick yes second who's second second Frank
okay okay roll call all in favor Woody yes Nick all Frank yes and Bob Conners thank you Ben thanks for your patience thank you all okay Diane hello sorry
I'll explain later no no explanation no explanation sorry so we've we've covered we've just uh covered the Kent Island project it's being continued to
the March 4th meeting the lock and Road Dam project what was approved with some minor conditions and we had an RDA on plumbush that's being continued
to March 4th as they update some information little scope change which start to make it a little more challenging for an ourd but I think they're they're going to figure it out so the next order of
business if I didn't lose all my paperwork uh is a public hearing for 80 Northern Boulevard is that correct Mason that's correct okay so we have a it's D file number has not been assigned we haven't had do you want it
or not technical comments so it's 80 Northern Boulevard applicant is submitting a notice of intent for demolishing and removing existing single family dwelling the existing Garage on site will remain untouched and the construction of a new single family home
will follow the demolition process excuse me additional site improvements are outlined in the noi the project site is located or within a primary fnal Jun okay Mason can you give us a quick
overview on this uh yeah yeah so existing property um vacant right now I can share some [Music] photos oh okay I know this prop um yeah so these are the photos
from the site visit um I believe the plan um shows the removal of this middle section here um which I can show better that connects the d The Double C garage to the house correct
Yep this is probably the widest part of Plum Island I think this house has more sand in front of it than anyone yeah so no other information I would say but the only recommendation I would have um is for them to um clearly identify
the limit of work um line in the backyard area um I didn't see that on the original submission um so I think it'd be a good idea to show that okay is the applicant here or his representative that wants to make a presentation
typically typically because it is we don't have a file number we don't have technical comments the commission typically holds comments and questions until we get to that point um but the applicant has certainly uh you
know availed the opportunity to make their presentation uh yeah my name is Al Ward I'm the owner and applicant and um because the D file number isn't here yet I was figuring on having this continued
but maybe trying to schedule um a site visit um in the interim before the next meeting so you can familiarize yourself with the property um if that's possible so Al welcome so typically Al
you know what it is we we try to schedule a s sidewalk when we have the number it's the technical comment what what's happened in the past is we've done a site visit uh and a week later D comes in with a a number of uh issues
and concerns that they want us to address that we didn't have available we're doing the S sidewalk and it requires you know another s sidewalk so what what I would suggest is you're going to need to continue
you're going to need to continue it to the March fourth meeting um typically you should have a number by then um and I would say that if we get technical
comments uh along with your your file number we would schedule a site visit you know when we've reached that Milestone and many of us live on the island so it's not going to
be you could very well have a side visit two or three days after the the March uh 4th meeting okay I mean whatever works for you guys process it's just trying to be a
economized time and cost all parties and so yeah that makes total sense so I mean I'm good with that if that's I mean just continuing at this point is fine since we don't have a file number okay so you're requesting continuance to the March fourth meeting correct okay all
right uh I will entertain a motion to continue this public hearing to the March 4th meeting at the applicant's request no moved Mr chairman yes just a point point of order please
yes um my name's uh Jeff roloffs I'm I represent the at Butters um I understand this discussion is going to be continued but since we've been sitting through this and the hearing's been open would you uh be patient enough to give me three minutes to just walk through a few
photos and highlight my clients's concerns so that you're mindful of those as you go out and start thinking about the uh project and viewing the site yeah just identify yourself the property that you're representing and give us your
best presentation and I'm going to hold you to three minutes okay great thank you I'm going to time you and see how good you are I'm not sure I'm gonna make that I'll do my okay so my name is Jeff roloffs I'm an attorney Newber Port I represent Tim and Anna drill who live uh
directly next door at 76 Northern Boulevard um I just want to uh Mason if you could just allow me to share my screen quickly I just want to run through a few photos um give you a uh some photos of the the summer view of the
property um and again just want to highlight the concerns that we have here so that's just the introductory slide I'll get to those photos you mentioned that this property is in the widest part of the uh the island there is a significant Dune between the house and
the ocean but it's in a very narrow strip of of uh of land right we've got the Basin just behind it so that's something to be mindful of the dunes here are very important uh this is the property here um and it's this Dune
between the Ward's house and my client's house here um that we're most sensitive to and want to make sure it's going to be appropriately protected um here are the plans um uh and a list of our main concerns here existing conditions here
my client's property is just to the South um you can see the hash lines on the plan are the areas where the vegetation is proposed to be removed um and and I've H circled here these portions of the building existing
on the left proposed on the right and our primary concern here is that the build the new building's going to be sort of relocated further towards and into and over the that existing Dune so that's a concern of ours we have been in discussions with the wards um and their
Council and and and they've been very receptive to our concerns and I think are contemplating potential revisions to address these but we're those are discussions are ongoing in the meantime with respect to the original proposal that you see here it's protecting that Dune is the the biggest concern that we
have they're increasing the size of the building there's going to be a loss of 1,245 square fet of vegetation with no proposed mitigation planting or Doom nourishment to make up uh for those impacts no Dune monitoring which we would suggest there's a notation that
there's a fence uh to be removed which is actually on my client's property um right in front of the Dune you'll see that in the photos and as Mason mentioned no limits of work are are identified on the plans um I outlined the existing building this is actually a
screened porch uh the building itself is in light blue and I just slid it over to the proposed building just so you can see the overlap of the proposed over the existing and again it's this corner of the
building um primarily this corner of the building I highlighted the 18t Contour you can see the proposed building puts a piling into that the existing building is below the 17t line line um that Dune
has uh matured significantly over the last decade or so uh and it's a very important Dune uh given the position that it's in um these are just some photographs uh aerial photographs from my map that's the property this is the Dune you can see all the vegetation
wrapping around the existing structure um just zoomed into that so again the you know this vegetation and this Dune here would be impacted by the proposed building um there here's a photo uh just taken from the Google street views um
but that shows how significant this Dune is and how robust it is with with the vegetation not only the vegetation but the shape and the height and um you know how how robust it is this is the dro property here my client's property um
this fence is the one I me mention um and they've told me by the way that they don't plan to take that whole fence down they're going to correct that notation on the plan there might be a piece of it taken down but protecting that Dune with this fence um which is on my client most of it of which is on my client's
property um during construction and after construction is really important it's kept people from walking on it which is why it is the way it is um just pictures uh 2023 here uh you can see that Dune is improved a lot and again
this is the primary Dune that we're uh mostly concerned with um back to 2012 uh you can see it was a lot more open uh not the vegetation was not as Ro as robust so there's been progress here
and we don't want to lose that progress um so those are our primary concerns we just ask you to keep those in mind as you're reviewing the project and we do plan to continue working with the wards uh between now and the next meeting and hopefully develop a plan that we would come in and support thank
you thank you Jeff you've simply reaffirmed the need for a site visit and we'll make sure that you're notified and your your clients are notified when when that becomes scheduled that's great thank you okay and I think
uh we'll we'll see again it's one of those things what technical comments come in from that from D will be you know will give us some guidance as well right okay so we had a motion in a second to continue the public hearing
to March fourth so I'm going to do a roll call Mason is that correct I'm just looking at my notes Here why don't I do this let's just start over I will entertain a motion at the owner's request to continue this public hearing
to my SCH so move so move all right and you're giving us the second Frank yes okay okay roll call all in favor Woody yes excuse me I'm trying to sneeze here
Mick hi uh Diane yes Frank yes and Bob coners okay H thank you Al thank you Jeff and we'll see you on the fourth thank you thank you very much thank you okay next thing a general
project discussion National Grid 21-day notice regarding RightWay herbicide applications Mason I think at the last meeting what we were what we had asked was could you research to see if there had been a previous RDA issued on this
yeah so um with this it's from what I had heard I had reached out to the person um whose name was on um the yearly notification um they let me know that the original permit was filed with the state and then from there they just
submit um kind of those yearly updates um to the town uh Mary and I had done a little bit of review um looking at the regulations and I believe um they are
exempt okay well then uh no further discussion is necessary yeah um I believe that is 10 we believe you CMR 310 102h I believe it
is okay all right well then I I think that matter is uh has been settled all right words of wisdom what do what words of wisdom do you want to offer any snow shoveling techniques
farming techniques management that we everybody mick how about you any any any no I just discovered this week I am way I am just too old to shovel snow anymore that's it well it I I'll be honest with you
when or want to on on Sunday morning I I get up and I keep a bobcat in my yard so I'm plowing up my driveway and I'm looking at all my neighbors in about a half mile radius that have this heavy wet snow two cigars in five hours later I
finished helping out all my neighborhood so tell the island rolls out here Mick you you are you're just a good Samaran in Bob well thank god Kathy doesn't let me smoke cigars in the house so yeah there you go
right not a total selfless act yeah anything Frank you want to add any comments I'm just happy that the DPW gives uh residents salt and sand mix my driveway was an ice rank it's not paved so it's gravel so we weren't able
to scrape it bare and uh when it rained it just turned to one big sheet of ice it has been like that everywhere and in even with pavement once it rained with a little bit of snow that maybe you didn't
remove you just had you just had black ice right I me we we had a guy fallowing coming coming to work today his way in he slipped on ice thank God it was before he was actually in work and he was in a a on property not owned by
me if you want if you want an OSHA determination on that Bob I can help you out that is considered commute that is not considered work yet there you go Diane any any uh any words of wisdom
you want to are you back in your house what's going on yes I am back in my house and I do apologize I should have given you notification it was an unexpected emergency so I tuned in as soon as I could so I'm sorry for my um missing most of the meeting no I should
have notified you and but I it I'll tell you later Diane you've been did you move in this weekend or was yes we're here we are here and enough said enough said back I'm back so Mason just make a notation on
the meeting uh notes yep on the minutes that you you you had the five of us that started Mary signed out and then so Diane you came in just for ad Northern was that the only one you came in on correct okay so when you do the the vote
on the continuance you'll just have you know RMA not present O'Brien joined the meeting and then record the vote and that yep that at least makes sense to me I don't know if it makes sense to the rest of the
world but okay I will entertain a motion to adjourn so mov yeah so it's Diane and Mick yeah second okay all in favor Woody Mick
Diane yes all right meeting is closed at 8:01