uh as a preliminary matter this is Mason farret conservation agent of the newb Conservation Commission and I call the March 4th meeting to order and permit me to confirm that all members are present can hear me Members when I call your name please respond in the affirmative Mary rimmer yes Mick
Brown Diane O'Brien yes Woody Knight Bob Connors and Frank wetan yes good evening everyone this open meeting the new Conservation Commission is being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th 2020 due to the current state
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information to the screen if aable we're now turning the first item on the agenda but before we do so permit me to cover some ground rules for Effective and clear conduct the chair will introduce each speaker on the agenda after they conclude their remarks the chair will go down the line of members inviting each by name to provide any comment questions or motions please hold until your name
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order to ease the process after board and committee me members have spoken the chair will AFF public comment as follows the chair will first seek questions to the chat function when participants are using this function please list your name address then your question the chair will then seek questions from the public who wish to speak they'll be
asked to identify their names and address question and once the chair has a list of all public commentators they'll call in each by name and afford three minutes for any comments finally each vote takes in this meeting will be conducted by roll call vote thanks Mason so upcoming meeting
dates are March 18th and April 1st um we have minutes to review from the February 18th meeting that were posted in the Dropbox and I had one minor comment on that um Mason on the Riverview Drive
enforcement order where it says applicants have proposed and after the fact RDA I would just change that now to received yep and I missed half of that meeting so I don't think I can vote well I
missed half of it as well so um maybe we postpone the approval of these minutes to the next meeting that's okay I take your half and you take mine half I know um all right so then we'll move right ahead to the next item on the
agenda which is eight plumbush Downs applicants are submitting an a request for determination of applicability for the renovation of a home on plumbush Downs the dwelling is within 100t of the salt marsh but will have no expansion outside the existing footprint upward
extension only and not sure if that's still the case but um do we have the applicant present for for this project okay um Mason do you have any updates for us before we get started uh no I I believe that they have um reduce the scope of their
project to just be um the AL extension now um and I'll just add that um with that Peter had um sent over the substantial Improvement letter um giving that the approval um but besides that I'll I'll let Tammy and Margaret explain
great welcome and um please state your name and address for the record yes hello this is Tammy Prine and with me I have Margaret Wallace uh Property Owners of eight plumbush downs and Newbury uh we good to see everyone who was at the last meeting um for those we haven't
met yet nice to meet you we per our conversation um a couple weeks ago right two weeks ago now um really went back and and thought about what makes sense um moving forward based on some of the feedback from the committee members and we are would like to propose and I do
have a uh drawing or an updated drawing so Mason would you mind just giving me sharing screen abilities to just revert back to the only upward ension uh plan as stated in the initial submission of the
RDA and while Mason's doing that I'll just note that Woody entered the meeting um at the beginning of this public discussion and I also wanted to point out that I was not present at the last meeting uh were you guys continue from the meeting before or the last
meeting the February 18th okay yes all right thank you I I did I missed some of that meeting but I did review the um the video so I'm up to date yeah of course and we're open to any questions and feedback as we work
through some of the notes we have here um so I'm just going to go ahead and share my screen can everyone see this okay yes okay perfect um so on the left-and side you do have current and on the right hand side you do have proposed we also have a table um in the bottom
right corner that articulates the work in more of a metric format for us to really level set during this conversation so as you mentioned um we've really pulled back the scope of this project based on our initial conversation at the previous meeting um so again as you can see here this upward
extension is really uh the project entails of an enclosement of this front porch which is a part of the existing footprint um so we are going to make that a roofed covering space to extend
the the internal l space uh we do have some non-compliant brick that is on the property today so we are planning to remove that brick and replant with new Shrubbery and seagrass uh and then the only addition you can see on the right hand side is a proposed gravel
underneath the propane TS will be which will be holstered uh to the back of the shed so as not to float away as we've heard from from some other neighbors so there's really not much of a shift here aside from that enclosure of the front porch but as you can see we've laid out
the shift in um building brick uh gravel pstone and then the addition of the newly planted shrubs here for a net Delta of 105 okay thanks that's um very helpful um great presentation and um I just want to
understand you are in the flood plane in this um for this site correct yes so do you have to elevate your propane tanks was that discussed with the building department yep so they recommended that we Elevate them um and that is the plan to have these the on the right hand side
here of this to have them elevated off the ground and securely attached to the back of the shed so as not to um risk floating away perfing okay great um it looks fairly straightforward to me and the um salt
marsh in this image is in which direction salt marsh is on the back back side along that uh Timber wall yes okay it's not indicated on the plan so we don't have really an indication of where the buffer zone is here but um it looks
like it's the entire unit is probably in the buffer zone that's 32 feet from the back of the building if I'm reading that correct 30 38 feet okay yeah so most of the house is is within the buffer zone to the salt
marsh um and the plantings you're proposing will be um native plants Coastal native plants yes great so I'll turn it uh turn it back to the members um and just go in the order I see you in the screen here so Diane first do you
have any comments um when you're building over the deck are you do you need to put new supports into the ground or anything to support the the roof of the second floor that's going on there so we do have existing steel piles already in place um we will be inserting
into the SE so between the second and first floor a steel beam for added support for the additional additional floors um that will be interior obviously uh and we're per are meeting on site with Peter he didn't indicate
that we would need any additional piles at this time since there was already footings in place okay so the architect or whoever the structural person that's doing the building hasn't said you need anything more so not at this time no okay so nothing else is going into the ground is
all up and um I was not at the prior meeting with when they discussed this so I don't know Mary if that would make a difference with me voting or not but I've gone through the file and I've listened to today so I don't
know um Nick the only question is like are you pouring a pad for those uh for your propane tanks or how are you securing them so they don't float away that one uh the I guess initial
plan was to um create something off the back of the shed to not have them touching the ground um I know they have to be elevated so I guess harnessed in a way off the back of the shed
um yeah that's that was the advice that we were given to just harness them to the back of the shed uh I don't know how many feet off the ground um yeah and then just gravel underneath the propane so there is that footing there it's not on top of just grass yeah so you're not
pouring a pad anding like imperal service okay yeah that's all I have okay thanks M Frank you any questions no it looks pretty straightforward I'm all set okay thanks uh
Woody um no I'm good with questions and comments I I did notice that the shed's going to just stay the same size and not be moved correct yes correct okay thank you that's that's all thank you Mary okay and um do we have any members of
the public that would like to comment on this project any raised hands or anything in the chat seeing none all right thanks um uh then uh based on this information do we have a
recommendation for a um issuance a determination of applicability on this I'll I'll discuss special conditions in a second second motion are you looking for a motion to a motion to issue a negative determin
determination so moved second all in favor uh Mick yep Frank yes Woody yes and Diane you like to
obstain I think I have to because I didn't hear it at the last meeting okay no problem uh so the motion carries uh for negative determination and then special conditions um I think you know we're elevating the
uh the propane tanks Mason and using the uh only native Coastal plantings from the coastal zone management plant list and um just sending a photograph of uh to the in know brief report to the
commission when the work is completed does anybody else have any other conditions that sound okay all right so do we have a motion to approve those conditions Mick don't Mo second all in favor Mick again hi Frank
hi and Woody yes and I also vote Yes as well so you should be all set and Mason will get you the paperwork and good luck with your project thank you so much everyone great to see you all right um the next item on the
agenda is 105 Northern Boulevard this is a request for determination to replace the previously existing deck in the backyard area the applicant also wants to add two foot wide blue stone to create a walking path around the deck to the side of the house historic Aerials
are provided to show the previously deconstructed deck do we have an update on this yeah uh so there was an existing wooden deck and walkway in the backyard share some pictures here um you can see um and it w
he the applicant had started to remove it and I believe um he was told to stop this was right before I came um and so he's now coming in for RDA um to replace it U The Proposal is slightly closer to the house um in the existing deck um
he's proposing a 12 by 12 deck elevated um and then like you mentioned a blue stone path which will be less than 30 inches wide for each of those stones um so I can also share the site plan
believe the applicant is here to answer any questions as well do we have the applicant here yes please identify yourself for the record um Jim Williams and Heidi shroog and your address 105 Northern Boulevard
perfect thank you um did you want to add anything further to U Mason's description of your project um no I mean the deck was on the ground um and it was I probably shouldn't have
taken it up before I did this but uh it kind of went along with that other project that I had going on here so um if I can get it back that would be great if not oh well but um I when I
talked to Mason he said it's prob best to do an ADA and you know I think the deck was around 12 x 12 so anywhere around 144 square ft but if it has to be smaller I'll make it
smaller whatever it takes to be able to put it back okay and how high will it be elevated above the ground it's well I was going to put it it was on like four four 4 in concrete blocks right on the sand basically that's basically where I
was going to keep it okay um and you mentioned an a there's an ongoing project as well do we have an open order we we planted seagrass last year in um Mary you wanted a second um planting season so we're gonna right okay this is that project
okay got it um okay and then this is in the velocity zone so you know we don't typically um approve stone pathways um most of the the reason being because you're in a
velocity Zone which means High Velocity wave actions during up to a 100-year storm event anything that you put on the ground like that has a potential for being a becoming a projectile in a storm event so typically it's uh crushed shell
or pstone uh walkways that we've approved um so all right have some discussion with that with the with the other members and see if they're in agreement with that um they was the the deck had nothing to do with the previous
enforcement order so I think you're okay with that um all right well the stones Mary they're pretty heavy I don't can't imagine the blue stone I mean the wood deck that was there they were popping up as I was walking on them they'd be more
of a projectile than what was there M so but you know whatever it takes to be able to get a walkway out to that back driveway you know that would be ideal okay so I'm gonna open it up to um the members um looking at Frank do you have
any comments on this I'm not sure um is a 4 foot I mean a 4 inch U block elevation adequate for the deck in that velocity Zone it doesn't meet
current standards but it it does need to tie into the existing house so I'm not sure how how you would if there are there steps up to the first floor or yeah this steps up to my existing
deck so so it's possible to elevate it further so that it's matches the existing deck um if we could get if I could do that and um you know I talked to the building inspector because the deck is kind of
falling down so I Bob had told me maybe talk to the building inspector I might have to incorporate it into this RDA but the building inspector said if we're keeping the deck existing footprint and fixing it he said it'd come out and we'd
go over what needed to be done but if I can put this other deck if I can elevate it and put it up on like um Diamond pairs is what the building inspector said you know would probably work best take whatever concrete pairs that are in
the ground now holding the other deck up and part of it's kind of just sitting on the sand it's it's kind of a health hazard right now you know so if I can raise the other deck that would be ideal but I didn't want to go outside
the footprint you know I just the other the other deck was basically just is sitting on the ground on like inch and a half solid block right on the sand so if that's all I could do then that's what I was G to do uh Mason can you put up the photo
again so the part that's being rebuilt is where on this photo it's um you can kind of see it on the top left picture by the hammock it's right next to the hammock and there was
stairs that went down into the um the down into the driveway and it was all like uh creol soaked um railroad ties that I that I had taken out and I just replaced it with pressure
treated yep that was a little better know so you're so you could kind of see the deck on the top right picture too you know that's just sitting right on the sand really you know right so that doesn't comply anymore so we need to
have a little bit more detail on your drawing what the elevation ultimately is going to be of the deck can I read would I be able to raise it up Mary if I make it the equivalent height of the deck that I have now yep and show us where your stairs are going to go that would
be a preferred planned that would be awesome uh all right that's that would be perfect if I can raise the deck just get a bigger deck
right so you you um would have to uh continue this discussion to another meeting and uh been a do planed so one other question one other question if you look at that picture that just showed the the uh house if you look at the existing deck
as it sits right now you can almost see a wooden deck underneath my deck and it's got a hot tub in it can that deck stay uh I can't see the image well enough to be able to tell it's the big it's the big picture actually go down a little bit right there that one that
Huts it's underneath my existing deck you can see there's another deck on the ground with a hot tub on top of it yep can I keep that deck well how long has that been in place that's been there forever there's a hot tub yeah so that can stay and I
could just put a new hot tub in you can continue to maintain it as it is right now um you're rebuilding the entire deck then we might want to revisit that um all right if you're if you don't I don't think we need to it taken out at
this point in your it where it's a previous existing condition all right that's perfect so uh before I ask you about a continuance I just wanted to make sure we have all the other members have a
chance to weigh in on this um Frank did you have any other comments no that's all thank you okay Woody do you have anything no I'm good for now thank you Mary okay uh Diane honestly I'm not really sure when you you're referring to two different
decks the one that's sort of out there on the ground and then had you previously removed another deck that now you want to put back is that no no I the the only the only walkway in deck I took down is the one that's right on the ground the
one that is underneath my existing deck now with the Hut tub on it yeah that's existing that's been like that but it's not it's out of level it's but if I take it out then I'll never be able to get it back in so I'm wondering if I could just
level that deck off and put a new Hut tub in that would be ideal if I could do something like that or do I need another RDA to try to save that you keep this open with additional plans but you may want to talk to the building
inspector a little bit more about I mean I talked to him yeah one was 12 by 12 so is that one that's that the woodwalk leads out to is that gone now a current picture yeah that's all gone that's all just sand in seagrass now that okay that's what was
getting me confused so this is an old picture it's not yeah that's a picture of when I bought the house a year ago or you're asking to put back a deck that was taken up a year ago yeah I took it out about a year ago okay and and do do
you want to keep that deck that's on the ground now or that's gone already anyway so well the one with the hot tub on it's still there so I'll just I won't even touch that one the walkway and the atg grade deck are gone yes yeah okay that's what is in question if I could put that
back but you want to put it back but attach it to your existing deck not put it I didn't want I wasn't going to um I just wanted if if we can I definitely will if I could make my deck bigger but if I can't I was just seeing if I could
put back what was there when I bought the house I didn't realize I if I took something up I couldn't put it back yeah I think that's it comes down to the fact that it's been missing for a while but um I don't know the answer to that off
the top of my head um I mean it looks like historically it was there like a year or so ago um um and maybe can be seen as some sort of continuation of um the project that started a year
ago to allow it to just kind of yeah I mean I think we can we can also just look at it as a new project a new yeah a new deck Expansion Project yeah I just think if you're going to be submitting something new just more maybe like of an explanation
or a picture of what you're doing yeah we we need some construction plans we need um you know if if you're GNA have steps and then to you really to consider the walkway material um to something other than
Stone those are my my comments would pstone work instead of the blue stone yep okay I can I can do that um I'm out of order here so Mick do you did you have any I'm sorry Diane are
you finished or you comments okay Mick no I just I'm I'm unfamiliar with the property so I just trying to wrap my head around what's existing what's not existing and what's proposed yeah I don't know if a a quick
site visit would be warranted just so we can all kind of convene on what the improvements are going to be I mean I feel a little bit better but if you know that's a consensus decision I guess
so yeah it's tough for me to make a call because I really don't understand what's existing what's gone what's proposed so understood and um who did I miss Woody no I'm I'm good thank you Mary
okay so if we're gonna be looking at a new plan um and you you can request the continuance of this discussion and we can schedule a site visit when you have the new plan um in place we can set that up um through Mason so that we have a
chance to take a look at the the site before the meeting for whatever next meeting it is that you uh you're ready to present this well that's fine um so one question Mary if I have something drawn
up if I if I have drawings of that deck being elevated is that gonna pose a problem going outside the footprint the footprint of the existing deck that's there now yeah is that gonna
pose any problems for me or that's what you'd be requesting permission for so that's what we would have to review to to make sure that it complies with the the um the regulations so we'd have to see what you present if it's elevated up
over the ground um it's you know you maintain it open underneath um it needs to be at least two feet above grade you know the plat and right and the pilings are diamond peers like
you had mentioned or or what was the other some other type of peer that the building is helical peers or Diamond peers Bob yeah Bob had mentioned to me with a deck not so much a dwelling the deck you can uh do the H the diamond
pairs kind of work okay either way that's fine so if I if we even step the deck down to two feet that would I'll have something drawn up then don't you coverage issues what's that you'll have
to check your lock coverage you're G to get into lock coverage issues if you're adding a new deck if you're if you're not replacing what was already there um okay so that's so there's no so basically there's no way can put back
what was there it depends on your lot coverage requirement yeah so you I think we have a double lot we got a pretty good siiz lot in the house is extremely small yeah you may be okay just you have to confirm with the building inspector while you're preping plan all right that
sounds good I I maybe I'll have the building inspector out look at it and he wanted to talk to me about it anyways and I'll I'll before I have drawings made I'll make sure it's good with him and then I'll have drawings made and I'll bring it back to you
guys great um all right so would you like to continue to the meeting on uh our next meeting is what the 18th Mason correct yep or the following meeting is April April 1 April 1 I don't know if you see my drawing that I drew but if
you want drawings I don't know if I can have it all in by next month meeting but I'll keep Mason up to date if as far as um you know what's going on if I have plans made yeah we have to continue it to a a date
certain so if you want us to put it on April 1 and it turns out that you need a continuance from that we can we can arrange that as well all right then let's do that I'll do my best to get plans drawn all right we need them a week before the meeting all right perfect sounds good all right so at the
applicant with the applicant's consent um do we have a motion to continue this uh discussion on 105 Northern Boulevard until April 1st who Moved
second it was Woody and Diane and um motion p i mean what do I have to do all in favor here we go and is that a yes I thought you said I thought I thought you said and yes D oh
sorry Frank yes Woody yes Nick yes and I vote Yes as well all right we'll be in touch perect thank you thank you have a good night okay um moving on to enforcement orders we don't really have any updates
on the enforcement orders at this point it looks like they all are um waiting for later in the growing season or um for work to be completed so we'll skip over enforcement orders we have no extension requests we have no
certificates of compliance tonight so um we're running a little ahead of our agenda but that's okay so um we can begin the public hearing notice part of the meeting and the first public hearing is for D file number uh
0501 1443 173 Hay Street uh Kent Island Division of fisheries and wildlife submitting a notice of intent for ecological restoration limited project habitat restoration work at the William Ford Wildlife Management Area management techniques include invasive plant
control General vegetation prescribed fire and Timber Harvest project documents include maps of the project area uh so since the last meeting we have um had a site visit and uh Diane
and I were able to attend that and we do have um some updated plans and I see that Ben is here so Ben if you could introduce yourself one more time for the record and we can take a look at the new material that you submitted sure
uh Ben Mai work for Massachusetts division fisheries and wildlife uh and I am working on this project at Kent Island happy to answer any additional questions okay um so during the during the S sidewalk we it was really helpful
to see you know in person the areas that were in question um I see that you've added Wetland Flags along the salt marsh and also in the area where um where some of the invasive species treatments are proposed um and you've
added the buffer zones to the salt marsh which I assume is that um kind of light blue area uh salt marsh buffer okay y I see that now um and I understand that there that
the a lot most the majority of the Timber harvesting has been going on under uh horse cutting plan in the Upland area separate from this notice of intent and this notice of intent is for the portion of the Timber harvesting
that's happening in the in the buffer zone only um yes and we went through a little bit what the um the techniques will be using a f buncher and cutting and removing of the Timber which is mostly
Norway spruce in the area that we looked at is there are there other areas that have a different there were some red pine I think you you mentioned yeah there's a mix of Red Pine noris Spruce is primarily what's being removed y right and he did also tag the
um trees to remain in place which weren't very many in the in these um stands where they're really dense um almost monoculture of these non-native trees but those were marked with an X so that the contractor who's
going to be doing this work will avoid any of the Native um species there was um some discussion at the last meeting that I understood there was to be updated plan in for from this in
combination with the previous plan that showed the different work areas I think we have to flip back and forth a little bit between the plans that shows where the actual treatment areas are that's different from that plan that shows the Wetland boundaries um do we have that
plan Mason uh yeah one second this is the one yes so the yellow areas are where the I think there might be a toppo there oh is that Plantation tree removal
is that what that's supposed to say at the bottom yes uh y i i can't spell and I guess there was no spell check on in rgis just so I understand what means so two areas in the buffer zone for tree
removal those are the only areas that you're proposing to do that in the buffer zone is that correct yes okay um and my concern would be that we we uh that the wetlands have been delineated along that that stretch there so we know
where the limit of the salt marsh is and you'll know where the 100 foot buffer zone is from that you can measure from that I think that it would be helpful you know to have a couple of stakes or something out for your crew uh or some kind of um Geo referencing on site so that they know when they enter the
buffer Zone um and that there be some protection along the edge of the Wetland because they're you're essentially going to Denude the entire slope there um vegetation and it could be susceptible to erosion it is a slope so I I'd like
to see some kind of erosion control barrier along the Sal salt marsh um just upgrading of the flagged boundary of salt marsh so we have some protection during the restoration time frame I know you're going to seed it when you're done
but it takes a little while for that to take and there's some potential for erosion during that time sure we can do that um and are you guys on site during all the clearing um and know you're sub Contracting this but
someone from DFW on staff uh overseeing during all this time uh I'm there just about every day but if they were going to be cutting in the buffer zone um any regulated areas like that then I would be on site for all that operation yep okay that's good news because like to
see that um the uh invasive species treatment is mostly I understood to be folar spraying now and not cut and treat it's um primarily folar spray is that what
you're proposing yeah so the up areas I propose both uh for some of the Bittersweet vines that are in the tops canopies of the trees those are um those will have to be cut St and then shrubs that are over 5T tall typically we don't like to see people
spraying fol into the air so we uh do cut stem on those as well so okay so that's your cut off five foot yep okay um and then in the areas where you're treating in the buffer zone in
the for invasives um those areas are they propos are those areas proposed to be receded as well no not at this time um yeah we typically we don't though at this site
because the thickets of invasives are pretty much 90 to 95% cover it could be something that we could see if we could do with a a native Wetlands mix um but uh at this point we weren't proposing
that it it might be a a a good idea to do that to get some stabilization but we could also make that determination after you complete you know your your initial season of treatment and see where it what it looks like um sure one of the
things that I was proposing was that you know we have some sort of an annual report during the time that you're doing this work um and you'd also request that at the site visit a five-year order of conditions which we are able to do um in
in situations where we know that the work is going to be more long term than a three-year order of conditions so I would be open to that um and that you know that we have that you we have a pre some sort of
preconstruction meeting before uh initiating work in the buffer zone so that Mason is up to date with everything if in case there are any changes uh and understands what your schedule is okay so um this you know just general
comment I know that DFW purchases property for this you know to improve habitat um on the site these are areas that are proposing to be treated for invasives you know really badly altered by the plant Community is
pretty significantly altered and it really is does look like a mess in some areas um probably as a result of former farming operations on the site or something but they're really in tough shape in some of those areas um as far as
the fragm treatment and the and the uh control burn um haven't been part of any of those kind of projects I don't know as much about that but I do understand that you guys have done this in a lot of places um and I'm taking your word that
you that this does not require any further um permitting from D or any other state agencies for doing the the burning since they don't consider that a Dred or F
technically so um those that would just uh presumably be a one oneandone thing or would you continue to do the fragm mites burning throughout the five years of the the the fragm would be uh hopefully
one and done because the initial uh prescribed fire with it would like we talked about reduce all the thatch and the Dead uh leaves and so then the re Sprouts would come up they'd be really obvious and then we treat those um and hopefully that first treatment would be somewhere in the range of 70 75%
effective um but enough where we could come back in and then treat individual stems after that The Following Season things that didn't get treated well enough the first time so and and access to this is on foot or will you need to be bring Machinery out there to the
islands so the only Machinery that we would propose would be the uh marshmaster the amphibious low pressure um machine but again we had talked about I I I'm going to have to look into the best access for that on the east side of
the trail uh train tracks we do have a bridge across those train tracks but I I don't know enough about um what it was built for so I I'll have to do some research on that to determine if it is capable of supporting that marshmaster
it's not that heavy of a machine obviously because it um of where it typically operates so if uh yeah I'm I'm going to have to do a little more research on that for accessing the Eastern portion
with that machine so um we could do some of the treatment you know the frag is is not um we talked about it's not um extensive enough where we potentially could just treat it by walking out to those areas um on foot at at low tide
too so okay um those are my thoughts I'm gonna turn it over to Diane do you have any comments yeah no I mean the site visit was great and um Ben did a great job of kind of explaining everything that would be taking place I honestly
didn't have a problem with the project um it was just more about conditioning it um you know after once you begin work just to make sure that things are being monitored even into the fiveyear um it seemed it was a really beneficial
project for the area and um it's not like you were taking everything out everything's basically staying you know except for some invasives and um I had no problems with it other than just scope of work delineations and things
like that that um Mary already mentioned thanks Diane um Woody do you have any thoughts I unfortunately missed the sidewalk but um I saw Mason today and had discussion I'm up to speed on the areas and what's
going on here so I feel comfortable at the moment right now thank you all right thanks and uh Mick yeah just uh no comments or questions it really I couldn't make it out to the sidewalk it's a super interesting project uh but hopefully I
can make it out to the next one no comments right now and uh any further comments from the public anybody here looks like not okay um uh Ben you had mentioned that you
want to start this work um within the next few weeks if possible schedule wise yeah the you know because we talked about ground conditions I'm not sure uh if we're going to cut in the buffer zone um this season or if it's going to get ped
towards next winter season uh I'm just a little concerned about uh what the weather's doing in the ground conditions so if if the weather holds and we can then yes but uh with 50 degree days coming up in an entrain I'm not so sure
that we'll do that so we are potentially going to work with the vendor so that those areas will get worked on next winter um but yeah it's to be I'd I'd love to be able to move forward with the potential for work if if conditions hold
uh as soon as possible and then you know I could keep Mason or however you all would like me to communicate up to date on uh ground conditions in our plans so um does anyone else have any further comments or requests for additional
information okay I do not not see any so I would entertain a motion to close the public hearing for this project Diane and Mick sound like y uh all in favor Diane yes Mick yes Woody
yes and Frank yes great um and so onto special conditions um I had a number of special conditions that I did discussed earlier um and a couple of them that weren't included um
one is to conduct any work in accordance with any restrictions um set by mass natural heritage program I think Ben you had mentioned there weren't any restrictions but i' like to have that in then order um sure since we don't have anything
specific from them on this project doesn't look like unless there was a letter was there a letter submitted there was yeah it was y okay good both the yeah the cutting and the grassland conversion oh good
okay I missed that um installation of erosion control along the edge of the flagged Wetland um a preconstruction meeting to at the initiation of work in the buffer
zone with a that would be with our agent um a representative from DFW on site during All Phases of work in the buffer zone and resource areas so that would include the citees
removal uh and buffer zone and and Wetland treatment for invasives as well as the tree clearing and then um an annual report of work completed each each year uh due by
December 1st if that unless there's a date that works better for you um if we could uh the end of the fiscal year uh is yeah December's really busy just because it's de check season so if I could flip it to the summertime like
July somewhere in July or August 1 would be great um but if that doesn't work for the commission then I can make December work but no that August 1 is fine as long as we have set it up annually I think that would be fine with me okay yeah what whatever meeting's closest a or if you just wanted me to do August 1
and submit it to Mason and then he can disseminate it or I'm happy to come meet with you all again hopefully virtually because I don't live that close so and then um any uh no other methods of uh restoration are approved other
than what is described in the notice of intent so if there are additional things restoration measures that you want to do that weren't included that would require an additional um submission to the commission okay and then finally if there
are mechanical if there's a heavy equipment that's proposed like the marshm uh on the marsh that we be notified of that prior to the start of work okay and so uh prior to the start of work so if we were going to do a
prescribed burn then I would just let Mason know if the marshmaster was going to be involved or not right so then he could follow up and and track it in casee there were any issues with using that on on site sure so should I go go ahead Mason just
that if you could repeat the last one not the uh not the heavy equipment one but the one that you had mentioned right before that um oh any other restoration methods not uh proposed but not included in your notice of intent require an
additional submission Diane did you say if this was a threee or five year well they're proposing five years we haven't voted on that yet but okay I should yeah include that in in the motion I
suppose one or the other and then did you me I might have missed it the delineation of the scope of work to be performed when there was that in there um so mark off where they're going to be doing the work or is that did you it's shown on
the plan oh you about Stakes for the buffer zone is that what you mean okay stake off the buff buffer zone okay so yeah should we go back on the motion and say if it's for five or three on the we haven't made a motion on
this yet oh okay oh we closed the meeting sorry yeah so we're just but we we can still take a vote on the yep on the term and we can wrap it up into this if there are no objections we can wrap it up into the
same motion with other conditions that were just described so I can go through them again if you want does that would that be helpful for everybody or yeah yeah okay um well fiveyear order of conditions so that that's checked the
for there's a special there's something on the Forum that you can make that a special condition as well um installation of aosion control along Upland of the flagged uh Wetland prior to tree
clearing um a preconstruction meeting prior to the initiation of work with Mason with the AR conservation agent um a representative from DFW to be on site during All Phases of construction in the resource area or
buffer zone I should say restoration not construction not and an annual report of work uh completed to be submitted by August 1st of each year
during the time period that the order of conditions is valid and then there was two others um any any restoration methods not specified in the notice of intent would require additional approval and any heavy equipment used on
the marsh requires prior notification to the commission are you also including the um staking in the field um the staking of of the buffer zone thank you I miss that one again anybody have any further
comments I do not okay and do I have a motion to accept those conditions so moved second Diana Woody and all in favor Diane yes Woody yes Frank yes and Mick
yes okay great so um Ben we'll work to get those um drafted it might take a a little bit because it's a little bit of a more involved order of conditions but um we'll get that out to you as soon as we can perfect I just wanted to take a minute and thank everybody for all the
help I appreciate you all coming to the site and uh putting up with me over the last month and a half so thank you good luck with your project thank you um next item on the agenda is uh EP file number is not listed on the agenda
but I do I know we do have one um uh the file number is 1444 0501 1444 for ad Northern Boulevard applicant is submitting a notice of intent for the Demolition and removal of the existing single family dwelling the
existing Garage on site will remain untouched and the construction of a new single family home will follow the demolition process additional site improvements are also outlined in the notice of intent project site is located on or within a primary frontal
dun um before we get to the applicant Mason do you have any updates on this project uh I would just uh so the scope of the project has changed and uh Al can present that but if I I would just point the commission to the uh technical
comments that D made um but just to keep in mind that this is from the original submission so these comments um are not reflective on the updated um plans that we'll be seeing tonight but um just to kind of keep that in mind as we go
forward okay thanks um and is the applicant here yep Al is here Al would you um reintroduce yourself to the board for the record and provide your address sure my name is Al Ward and the address is AD Northern
Boulevard thanks why don't you to tell us what your plan changes are sure well um TJ from Millennium I believe has um kind of a more in-depth um explanation but we had um
after we submitted our original plan we um had spoken with a a neighbor who who voiced some concern about um making sure that the health of the Dune between our two homes um was preserved as best as possible and we um met for a little bit
and kind of went back and forth a little to to try to accommodate um his concern which we share we definitely want to make sure that that that's a very um valuable Dune and we want to make sure that it stays healthy so um we kind of uh followed the
suggestions they brought forth to [Music] um um basically move the H move the house a little bit to get it completely off of that Dune in between us as well as uh take some other
steps um TJ I could hand it over to you if you're there to um continue with a little more detail yeah absolutely good evening everyone TJ Melvin with Millennium engineering um as Al mentioned you know we've gone back and forth in a few
iterations of this um you know Al was really trying to work with his his neighbor to make sure everyone's comfortable with the project um so since the original plan we slid the house uh closer to Northern Boulevard uh within the front setback which uh we are in front of the zoning board uh for
approval on that as well um and in making this change it's actually kind of uh helped to answer some of the the D questions um which I can Circle back to um since the last uh since the original submitt what we've done is uh we've
broken up the vegetation disturbance which we can see on the the existing condition side sorry the other side of the the existing conditions um so we just called it out all out as vegetation uh We've since broken it out as you know
natural D vegetation versus Turf Lawn in kind of a flower planting area um and we've updated the table as well to reflect that um so with this project we're obviously removing a existing dwelling
that's at grade you know portion of a paved driveway putting the new structure up in the air um and removing the the pavement and replacing withan wash stone uh the footprint itself is about 400 square ft larger than the existing um
and we're moving about 850 square feet of pavement so we're in total reducing about 400 square F feet of impervious surface on the site and replacing it with two compatible materials um as Al had alluded to we we really wanted to shift that back right
corner as you're looking at it off of that the dun between the two properties um so we get it down just just off the base of that dun um which kind of leads to one of DB's comments about trying to reduce the amount of the crushed stone or the the
clean wash stone posed on site uh by moving it forward we we saved you know a fair amount of driveway area that was otherwise going to be clean wash stone so that that number has been reduced um we are
proposing uh restoration plantings to account for the natural Doom vegetation that will be disturbed in order to install the the C was Stone uh so we've identified just just three various areas uh requiring a total replacement of 910
square feet to account for any of the Disturbed area um and I believe that is all the changes that have been made um I'd be happy to go through any other specific aspects if the the
commission wishes uh or I can answer any questions you may have okay thanks TJ um I had a couple questions and then I'll pass it over to the commission um what when you say clean wash stone what size Stone are we talking about call DET I didn't see anywhere in
the detail but can certainly provide a a spec for that okay obviously you don't make any the yeah if you could provide that um it looks like the pavement that's being retained is just what that that's existing in front of the garage
now that's the only area okay your propane tanks are being removed at some point there was a note there are they are there any tanks proposed under the in the new plan uh no there there aren't I think
it's the plan is for electric okay um what is the uh permanent trench patch detail on the second sheet on the detail sheet that would just be for um any disturbance of R Boulevard for the new utility connections if we were uh you
know any if we Disturbed the roadway after okay all right got it and then um I would like to see you map out where the mitigation planting is proposed rather than just having arrows we won't be able to evaluate whether you're in
compliance long term if we don't see where the areas are that you're proposing to use as mitigation guess for sorry just a question on that would the commission prefer one larger area or couple smaller areas or is it kind
of we're open to it either way um just right now you just have a a A plus seven um for Dune vegetation we usually look for one and a half to one from Impact so it would be helpful if you provide
that yeah and then delate in Natural Area and and delineate that area yes then you know this house will be elevated so you'll be you'll be off the Dune vertically um and I assume that you're going to be on well there's a there's a foundation
plan I think in the next page or at least a preliminary one yeah yes this will all be up in the air by elevated how many feet I believe it is n yeah yeah if you could blow that up the
the profile that would be really helpful looks like nine feet okay and your flood elevation is what's your your flood elevation there 16 so there's no base flood elevation there's just a velocity zone is it that 17.5
58 no that's your existing ground elevation okay um I'm gonna pass it all to uh yeah we do have a note on the on the first page um so because the base flood elevation is different than the velocity Zone
elevation so that's what I'm wondering it says on the right bottom right of the screen Bas what elevation 16 am I getting that wrong it yeah that but ve 16 Y is the that's the velocity elev velocity on elevation which is different
than the base FL elevation but um your existing mean ground elevation is so you're still in the velocity Zone but it's there's a difference between 16 is the wave height not the
actual level of flooding um on the ground so I'm just going to circle back to that after after I have the members um provide their comments so I'll just go down the down the row here
U Woody do you have any any comments on this no I don't have any comments or questions at this time thank you Frank no no questions thank you Diane I just had a question about
the wash stone so the existing structures on the ground that's going to be gone everything's going up on piles is um the wash stone going to be underneath the house so I'm trying to underneath way up to Northern
Boulevard is that the idea correct yeah this essentially the driveway is there a reason for that other than just beking the was that it's a drive under sorry oh I see
okay okay that answers my question um anything else Dian no okay um would I miss Mick no no questions from me right now right I know that at the last meeting there was discussion
about a site visit um members had wanted to schedule a site visit that was something that Bob had talked about uh is there still interest in conducting a site visit on this i' like to do a site visit yes I would too
okay all right we can we can talk about scheduling that I'm GNA turn it over to um the public are there any comments from the public on this it looks like there's one raised hand Jeff rolloffs yes hi thank you Jeff roloffs
I'm the attorney out of Newberry Port representing the direct of Butters to the South Tim and an and Roos at 76 Northern Boulevard um can I quickly share my screen I just want to uh I'm going to go back to the slides that I quickly ran
through last week just to emphasize the main concern that we have here so um you saw these last week but this is uh the house in blue is the Ward's house that's uh proposed to be removed the Dune to the right here
is our biggest concern um The Proposal is to put a house uh on this property bigger than what's there um the exterior wall of the proposed house is just slightly beyond
the exterior wall of what's here um um it actually will also uh the corner will be the existing house is kind of notched in the back corner so the corner of the the new house will also be closer to this Dune
uh than what's there so this Dune is critically important not just to my neighbors but to the whole neighborhood um you'll remember from well you can see from these images that this is on a very thin slice of land between the ocean and the Basin my client are just to the
South here um there's been a lot of effort uh that's been put into nourishing these dunes and you know establishing Dunes that are robust and serve all the functions that they serve uh not just by my clients but other
neighbors here um and the wards have made some changes to the plans that we think uh head in the right direction in terms of um protecting the Dune um a few things that I want to highlight that we haven't seen on the plans uh number one
there's no limit of work shown on the plans um I assume that's because they are it's it's going to be tied to the the exterior walls of the building but the question is whether that's feasible
so looking at this image here um we had requested protocol you know that we think the applicant should develop a some protocol for the construction methodology you know can you really put in the piles right at the base of this dun how are you going to construct this
walls without um putting equipment on the Dune so you know I think the applicant has a little work to do uh in terms of working with their professionals to come up with a construction plan uh just to to ensure that everyone knows where the limits of work are and
how they're going to be actually respected during construction the plans do show a detail foration fence but they don't show any location on the plan where that's actually proposed I don't know if that's appropriate here or not I defer to the
uh the professionals on that but again I think that's part of the protocol and then obviously um in terms of any special conditions when you get to the point of contemplating an approval here you know the the preconstruction meeting is going to be critically important here
to understand uh the condition that the site's in and how they're planning to proceed how they're going to phase it so that it's everything is going to be protected um we think that it's important to require uh for the work that's being done in the vicinity of
this Dune that that work is um under the oversight of a professional Whitland consultant somebody who can confirm that what they're proposing to do and doing is actually being done properly in a way that's going to protect that Dune um in
the event there are inadvertent impacts they did include a note on their plan that those would be restored um I think it would be worthwhile to elaborate on what restoration methods will be implemented in the event that
there are impacts uh to the area beyond the proposed wall um so that at the end of the project we're going to see a dune that looks like this right up to the edge of the house as it currently is obviously
to the new house and it won't be to the edge of the wall because it's going to be elevated I understand that but we want to make sure that that wall is the delineating line between the house you know the stones underneath it and then a
robust um vegetated Dune as there is currently so that's the biggest concern I mean you can see the importance that this Dune plays not just for us but for the whole neighborhood and there is ample room for um mitigation planting and you've already talked about that so
um we totally support that um so I think there's a little more work for them to do here more work by the professionals who are familiar with these construction techniques I'm not you know what what equipment is going to be used to put these piles in where is
it going to be located you know if you're putting a dune right in at the edge of that Dune there a pile you're going to put it in at the edge of that Dune is that work only going to impact where the pile is or is there a Zone around around it that's going to be
impacted and what's the protocol for minimizing impacts and then dealing with them so we just think there's more protocol and details that need to be fleshed out before um the commission can really evaluate the impacts of the project and come to a conclusion so I
will stop there thank you thanks Jeff that's helpful um so in light of the fact that there's a request for site visit and I think that the applicant was probably aware that that that was the direction we were heading
um do the members have some suggestions on when we might take a look at this together I think we typically do mornings I think it's is it Tuesday mornings or Thursday mornings either either either one is
fine looking at Tuesday the 11th work Tuesday at 8 am on the 11th does that work for everyone works for me okay yes all right that was
Tuesday the 11th at 8 AM yeah and can I um make a recommendation TJ that you stake out the building Corners especially the ones that are closest to the Dune um prior to the site visit is that possible yeah yeah we we'll stick out
what we can or at a minimum I can just okay and then um you've heard about fall I'm sorry I missed that last part sorry yeah no we'll stay up when we can so may fall in pavement Orin the
existing structure but all right and then um you will uh hopefully between now and the next meeting provide a response to D's comments to the extent that they are now applicable under the revised plan and also
um be thinking about a construction sequence that will protect the Dune I think that will be helpful Mary were you looking for more mitigation as well yes so one and a half to one
mitigation yeah it will show specific location with an area yes to locate the area yep so do we have the applicants consent to continue them this meeting till March 18th
yes okay I would entertain a motion to continue the hearing until March 18th or the site visit on March 11th at 8 am all in favor Diane yes Woody yes Frank
yes and Mick yep yes okay great thanks everyone thank you everyone thank you all right new public hearings we have none General project discussion Kent Island Marsh project updates I think
this has to do with the bridge that was constructed on the access road out to Kent Island yep that's correct okay and that um they were required to submit regular annual reports on the status of um the restoration efforts
correct I don't know if anyone had a chance to take a look at those if they have any thoughts or comments looks like it's been a kind of an up and down um not a linear restoration there's been some um loss of some of the plantings because of the drought uh and some
erosion but I know Mick goes by that all the time and I've been by it a lot too um you know it's certainly an improvement over what was there before so I think that's just for informational purposes we don't need to take any action on it
um Mason do you have any other oh there we go okay yeah so you can see that you know the the um scour the scour basins that existed you know with prior to the restoration were pretty pretty large there and some of
that area is now reverting back to salt marsh which is great now that the Restriction is gone and the side slopes were planted mostly with Marsh Elder looks like and some of that died off during the drought in 2023 I think it
was but it's coming back um there's been some introduction of some Upland species as well they didn't mention any invasives but they're it is kind of a mixed bag there um on the side slopes they did a pretty thorough report
which was nice yes so um I think there was a lot of Permitting associated with this so we were the beneficiaries of the reporting that was required by other agencies so any other uh
updates I think that's all at this time great right thanks everybody does we have a motion to move on for dinner so moved all right back back all in faor yay I I I all right I'll see you
on Tuesday thank you all right okay thanks Mary