Good evening. My name is Bob Connors. It is now 6:03 p.m. and I'd like to call the May 6th meeting of the Newbury Conservation Commission to order. Mason, can you please read the remote meeting, open meeting law preamble? As a
preliminary matter, this is Mason Farerk, conservation agent at the Newbury Conservation Commission, and I called the May 6 meeting to order and permit me to confirm that all members are present and can hear me. Members, when I call your name, please respond in the affirmative. Mary Rimmer, yes. TJ
Ki, yes. Mc Brown, hi. Diane O'Brien, yes. Woody Knight. Bob Connors, yes. And Frank Wedamp. I do think Woody will be joining at some point, you said. Yeah. I and I think Frank will also be joining us. So, but we have a quorum, so we're we're good to
go. Good evening. This open meeting of the Newbury Conservation Commission is being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th, 2020 due to the current state of emergency in the Commonwealth. In order to mitigate the trans transmission of the CO 19 virus, we have been advised and directed by the Commonwealth to suspend public
gatherings and as such, the governor's order suspends the requirement of the open meeting law to have all meetings in a publicly accessible physical location. Further, all members of public bodies are allowed and encouraged to to participate remotely. The order, which you can find post uh excuse me, ensuring
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upon to speak and or share information if able on the fly. We're now turning to the first item on the agenda, but before we do so, permit me to cover some ground rules for effective and clear conduct. The chair will introduce each speaker on the agenda. After they conclude their remarks, the chair will go down the line of members, inviting each by name to
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in a firstname alphabetical order to ease the process. After board and committee members have spoken, the chair will afford public comment as follows. The chair will first seek questions through the chat function. When participants are using this function, please list your name, address, and then your question. The chair will then seek questions from the public who wish to speak. They'll be asked to identify
their names and addresses, question, and once the chair has a list of all public commentators, they will call on each by name and afford three minutes for any comments. Finally, each vote taken in this meeting will be conducted by roll call vote. Okay. Uh thank you, Mason. Upcoming meeting dates May 20th and June
3rd. Meeting minutes uh for review. the April 1st meeting minutes. Why don't we take a moment look at those and see if there's any comments, corrections, or concerns. Okay, hearing none, I will entertain a motion to approve the
meeting minutes for April 1 as written. So moved. Second. Okay, TJ and Diane. Okay, roll call. All in favor? Mary? I was not in attendance so I'll abstain. Okay. TJ hi.
Uh Mick. Diane. Yes. And Bob Connor. So we have a quorum on that. So that that carries. Meeting minutes review April 15. We take take a minute look at those and see if there's any comments,
concerns or corrections. Okay. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to approve the meeting minutes for April 15th as written. Hello. Second. Okay. Diane and Mick. Okay. Roll call.
All in favor? Mary? Yes. Uh TJ, I I wasn't there, Bob. Okay. Actually, we It shows in the minutes that you are, though. I was just gonna say that. Yeah. Okay. Well, no. Listen, TJ, you would know better than
than most if you Are you sure? Okay. Mick. Hi, Diane. Yes. And Bob Connor. So, cheers. All right. TJ, you're a phantom ghost there, brother. What's
Okay. Uh, first order of business is a certificate of compliance D file number 0501391 Farm View Lane, 68 Green Street, lot number two. The applicant request a full certificate of compliance to open
their partially closed order partially closed order of conditions completely. And uh outstanding items to be met were removing the farm road and stabilizing the back and side slopes. Mason, why don't you add some clarity to
this and what your what's your recommendation? Yep. Um so like Bob was saying, uh the two outstanding items that the commission was waiting to see was the stabilization of the back slope um and backyard area and then the old farm road removal. um both have been
completed since um the last time that we had met. I can share some photos as well. Um I would recommend that the board issue the certificate of compliance um but there is a special condition um that you guys
may probably remember better than I do. um in regards to putting conservation markers at the bottom of the slope um for a no disturbance area that was believe condition 50ome on the original order. Um and with the regrading that's happening, I would just suggest that um
we add a special condition to the RDA that they are applying for. Um so that gets taken care of after um the regrading the backyard area. Okay. Thank you, Mason. Uh questions from the members. Mary, questions. You're you're on the field.
Okay. Having some technical difficulties. Uh no, no questions. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Mary TJ. Any any questions on this matter for Mary son? No questions for me. Hey, welcome Woody. Woody, we're just on the first uh first order of business. We've we've gone
through the minutes and uh we were on certificate of compliance for a farm view lane. Yes. Sorry for my t Sorry for my t. Yes. So we we've actually had a discussion. Uh we're going through
questions now. Woody, you know what? Actually, Mason, why don't you give a quick recap for Woody? Yep. So, so he's informed on Yeah. So Woody, the two remaining items um that we had uh had concerns about that were
preventing us from issuing them the full COC back in the fall, I believe it was, um was the stabilization of the backyard um and then the removal of the farm road. Um I was just explaining to the commission that both have been done since. Um I can share a couple of
photos. One here showing the stabilization of the backyard, full lush green grass. Um, and then I can share a photo of the farm road as well, um, that they had removed and then, uh, put some salt marsh hay down to prevent any
erosion. Um, when I was out on site, I could actually see some grass coming up through, um, the asphalt and the gravel before they had removed it. Um, so I'm pretty confident that this area will slowly start to reveate naturally. Okay. Yep. And that's where the farm
road was, correct? Yep. This area right here. Very good. So, you you're uh confident that that's going to grow then with Yeah, we already saw some things kind of popping up. Like I said before, uh the gravel and asphalt was removed. Um and I'm pretty sure the homeowner um
is willing to put down, you know, like a a native red fescue seed or something after if need be. If need be. Okay, great. Then I don't have any other questions. Thank you, Mason. Mason, did you did you mention about adding to the RDA the the not Oh, yes. And then uh so
the only remaining item Woody um on that order of conditions um when this project was originally permitted um the commission had asked if there were uh conservation markers to be put in at the bottom of the slope identifying um kind
of the limit of where disturbance was going to happen on site. Um, and I my suggestion to the board was that um we fully close out this order of conditions um and then add a special condition to their RDA that they um are on the agenda for shortly after this um to have that
completed. You have to install the markers. Okay, great. Yep. All right. Thank you so much. I'm sorry. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Witty. Uh Mick, any questions on this one? No, I think uh it's reasonable what Mason is proposing. So, I'm good. Thank you.
Okay. Thank you, Diane. Nope. Thank you. Okay. I have no questions. Okay. Any raised hands from the public at this time? Okay. Do any members have a request for any additional information?
No. All right. I will entertain a motion to issue a certificate of compliance for 68 Green Street, lot number two. So moved. Second. J and Diane.
Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ? Yes. Woody? Yes. Mick? I. Diane, yes. And Bob Connor's vote. Yes. Okay. Okay, next order of business, we
have uh request for determination. It's for 1249 street. Applicant is submitting an RDA to propose deck expansion on the property, east and west facing decks. The property is on the primary funnel dune has existing beach grass vegetation
surrounding the decks. Mason, I've gotten a couple of texts from Joe Lee that he's having trouble getting on. Yeah, I just tried sending him the meeting link. Um I don't we can see I can um update
the commission with his updated site plans. Um and then from there we can see if anyone has any questions. Yeah. As as a recap on this one team, uh Joe had explained what he wanted to do, but we were looking for a side elevation and if he was going to be adding any type of uh
support to the decks. So he has submitted a two plan uh two revised plans. One is the size of the deck, cross-section, elevation, and locations of diamond peers. Uh, and and then he's
identified an area for mitigation and replanting with a I think he went with one and a half to one is what we I think we agreed on on that one, Mason. Yep. Uh, and I think it's 60 square feet um of total planting. Well, why don't
you do this? Can you put up Can you put up the two plans that he had uh y submitted? So this is going to be the cross-section elevation of the diamond pier here. And then the updated site plan showing the stairs
here. Um, and he did have I'm not seeing it on this one, but uh I believe it's in my email. He has another plan identifying uh the 60 square feet of mitigation planting. Um, and that's right up in this area here.
Yep. Okay. You know, why don't you do this? Why don't you see if you can dig out that plan and then if we have any questions, we can continue this until Joe's on the call. Uh but if there are no questions, then we can make a decision if we want to proceed with
them. I I've seen the these are all these are all in the Dropbox team. Um under the 1249 street and there's one plan that's showing the proposed mitigation area
which is east, you know, the most eastern part of the property next to the beach grass where he's adding. I I thought it was more than it. It is. I I I'll correct myself. It's 100 square feet. I'm sharing it now.
Okay. Yeah, there we go. So, he's proposing one and a half to one as mitigation. So, those were the questions we had asked about. Uh so, why don't I stop there and see if there's any questions from the members. Mary, do you
have any additional questions on this one? Just Mason, what's the mitigation area now? What is it? What's there? Uh, it's unveated sand. It's just sand. Mhm. And does
he access the beach along the side of the property there or Yeah, they go down 49th Street is kind of the right way to the beach. I see. Oh, there it is. Okay. Yeah. So that that's the yeah it's a little tricky to do um
condition you know the approval the success of the mitigation area under an RDA because they don't come back to us for a certificate of compliance. So, I think you know, Mason, it'll just require some extra efforts for you to
track that one to make. Yeah, I think Joe Joe's been he's a longtime resident out here and actually I think he's on the the finance committee of the town, too. So, he's a good He's an engaged member of the community and I don't think he wants Mason knocking on his
door needlessly. Okay, good. Okay, TJ, any questions on this one? No questions. Okay, Woody, how about yourself? No, I'm good. Bob, thank you. Okay, Mick, how about you? Any questions in this? All set, Bob. Thank
you. Okay, Diane, no. Thank you. Okay, and I have no questions. Are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Seeing none. Okay. Do any members have a request for any additional information at this
time? Okay. hearing. None. I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding for 1249 Street. So move. Second. Okay. So that's TJ and Diane. Okay. I I would just ask if there's
discussion on the motion that we get something documenting what's going to be planted there and that it's going to be reported back to us. Um in some by the end of the growing season. So we
can make a notation on the RDA just on I think the intent was just traditional beach grass was with a on a 12 12 provide confirmation of the the planting density and and the species and
that there is confirmation provided after it's installed. Yeah. Okay. Good suggestion Mary. All right. So, any other any other questions before we take a
vote? Okay. Uh, roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ, hi. Woody, yes. Mick, hi. Diane, yes. And Bob Connors votes yes. Okay, thank you guys. Okay, we have
another RDA for two Farm View Lane. I think this is we're bootstrapping to the previous uh certificate of compliance we've issued. Two found application applicant is submitting for an RDA to install the pool and patio the edge of the buffer
zone associated site grading is proposed to create more space for the pool and patio which are all within the buffer zone. Okay. Uh Mason, you want to give us an update where we're at on this? Yeah. So, uh we had looked at um the
pool and patio area that is um an exempt conversion of existing lawn to um pool patio or shed outside of the 50 foot buffer zone. Um the only thing that the commission was waiting to approve was the grading work on the side of the slope which is within the 50 foot uh
within either the 100 or 50 foot buffer zone. Um yeah, so I would recommend um the issuance of the negative determination um including a special condition um to have those conservation post be put in um which is a part of the original order. Is the applicant or his
u consultant on the call? Yep. Both. Okay. Who would uh just someone identify yourself and just if we have questions from the members? So who's who would want to handle questions from the members if we have any? Uh, good evening everyone. TJ Melvin with Millennium
Engineering. Here with me tonight is the applicant. Noah Goldstein, the applicant. Okay. All right. Well, thank you TJ. So, questions. Do we have any questions on this? It seems pretty clearcut. TJ, did you hear did you hear the conversation
about the conservation markers that um are required on the certificate of compliance that aren't in? So, we're just going to add it to the RDA to wrap it up. So, you close out this the uh certificate of compliance and just
that's going to be added to the RDA. Sounds good. Okay. Okay. Mary, any any questions for TJ on this one? No, I don't have any. Thank you, Mary. Uh Anthony Ki,
any any questions for TJ on this? No questions from from here. Okay. it. I remember it straight. TJ TJ, do you have any questions for yourself? That was Yeah, right. kind of went
through that once already. Woody, any questions for TJ Melvin on this? No, I don't have any questions. Okay, Mick, any any questions or concerns on this one? Uh, no. I'll start. Bob, thank you. Diane, how about yourself? No, thank you. Okay, I do not have any questions.
Any raised hands from the public at this time? Okay, hearing none. Do any members have a request for additional information. Okay, hearing none, I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding for two Farm View Lane
uh with the condition we're adding the conservation markers uh to to the the negative finding. So moved. So Diane, do we have a TJ? Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary?
Yes. TJ? I. Woody? Yes. Mick? Hi. Diane, yes. And Bob Connor's vote. Yes. Okay. We have another RDA for 37 Northern Boulevard. Yep. Thank you, TJ. 37 Northern Boulevard. Applicant is
submitting for an RDA to construct an existing deck. the pro to reconstruct an existing deck. The project intends to renew the structure that was deemed unsafe and add a second form of egress from the house. Uh Mason, want to give
us a quick overview on this one and Yep. Uh so the applicant's name is Neil Vanam. Um he's proposing to uh reconstruct the back deck uh due to safety hazards. It was deemed an unsafe structure. Um his plan is to replace it in kind with no further expansion. Um,
and I would just recommend that the commission require uh inquire about any um anchors or pilings that are going in uh just to make sure that we're not using uh concrete. Is is the applicant here? Um I'm not sure.
Do you have pictures? Yeah, they have pictures. I'm just wondering if he's reusing what's there. So, this is the back deck here. Photos from my car, but we've uh we've had a lot of rain recently, so trying to stay
dry. Okay. So, he's really renovating his existing deck as necessary, not necessarily tearing it off and rebuilding it entirely or does replace.
There were two um sketches that were um included with the RDA that were drawn by the builder. Okay. Yeah, because it says renew the structure. So, that that that has a a the RDA. It says
replace. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Do you have do you want to put that picture? Do you have uh the plan? Yeah. Mason, why don't we show that? It's a It's a lot quicker when the applicant is here for these RDAs.
It's kind of an existing conditions plan it looks like. But then they're adding steps. They're adding Yeah, they're adding another set of steps. So, it's not clear if it's if it's both decks or or the decks on the right and the left or Yeah. Well, you know what, Mary? You know what we've done in the past? If the
applicant's not here and Yeah. we can't have questions answered, we'll just kick this to the next meeting. Agreed. Okay. Okay. So, Mason, if you let the applicant know and and you know, let all the let all the applicants on these RDAs
that if they're here, there's a likelihood that they'll receive quicker action. If they're not, there's a good chance it's it's going to be delayed, at least a meeting. Yep. Okay. So, why don't we put that on the May 20th? We'll
kick this back to the May 20th agenda. Okay. So, we have a RDA for 240th Street. Applicant is submitting an RDA for installing a generator on the property. The generator is proposed to go on the existing lawn and is proposed to be
elevated. Currently, a pre-cast pad is proposed, but it does show it being elevated using the pad as a a footing, I guess you want to call it. Mason, do you want to put that up? Uh,
yep. Okay, I saw Josiah on the call. Just give us your name and address and just we have some questions for you. Uh it's uh Joe Spalding. Uh two and four 40th Street.
Okay. All right. So Joe, this is a picture of what's existing or what you're proposing? That's what we're proposing and John who is from Generrack uh and generator is on the on this zoom as well to take you through any
specifics. Okay. Traditionally, Joe, the the commission frowns upon having a concrete pad. Uh what what many applicants have been proposing is either a four-legged stand sitting on grade
uh or Mason, do you do you have that picture of U? Yep. Let me grab that just to give you give you an example. This is this is a generator elevated generator that was
approved on Northern Boulevard. What's what's the address of the Mullen resident president? 26 27 maybe. Yeah. So Joe, this is this is traditionally what we approve. I have no problem with that, Bob.
Leave that to John. I I think what they what they've been doing is the the 6x sixes are dug in the ground by about 12 or 14 inches and they put a crossmember underneath and then they just back fill it and and that kind
of gives it the stability and it's it's no problem for for me. Okay, John, you're muted. You're muted, John. Can we hear me now? Yes, we can hear now. John, sorry. Just give us your
name, John. And and your I apologize. I've been on the beginning and I Sorry. Uh John Dan. I'm with Generator Super Center and I've been working with uh Joe on this project. Um, so just to take a step back, I've been to the commission
on a another project in that area, which was 17 Harvard Way, and the the illustration you saw for the generator and the stand that it was on was what was approved at that point in time, which is what I was submitted. Um, so this is definitely um different than
what um I discussed with Joe, but I did tell Joe that we had to go through this process and get approval for the um installation of a generator. Um so I'm willing to work anyway it's necessary to get the job done correctly. U I just
submitted what was already approved previously um for a job that we did in the same area. Was that a replacement generator, John, on that one? No, it was not. It was brand new. Okay. Yes, brand new. And the the key thing was is we were trying to
um make sure that we did not disturb the vegetation. Um that we would um make sure that things were replaced. So therefore, I'm not at all adverse. That's why we're here talking. Um that's why Joe's on the call. Um thank you,
Joe. And um you know, like he just said, we're willing to work with you to do it uh correctly. We want to disrupt uh the land as least possible. Um so that's where I'm at. Okay. Well, John, why don't you hold there? Let me open this
up for questions from the members. Mary, questions for John or Joe on the the generator platform. No, other than is is this photo we're looking at where it's proposed to go somewhere in that area? Yeah, it's pretty sparse vegetation in here. Um, I was going to include that in my recommendation though that any
vegetation that needs to be removed during the process just be replanted in this area. You're right. And I just I have no um I think just our standard you know it needs to be elevated to two feet above grade um with non nonitude
anything but sit tube so wood or helicals or diamond peers. Other than that I I don't have a problem with it. Now, John, a question. A lot of times there's you have a pre-cast fiberglass or composite base
that you use for these if they're on grade. Yes, sir. So, what we're using or what we proposed in this instance is what was approved in the last time. What was it? What was the composition of that uh of that pad? Was it is it actually concrete
or is it No, it's it's just the big thing is is we're not trying to disturb the ground below. We're just trying to make sure that it's elevated off of the ground. Um so it it's something that was approved before that we just recommended
the same. You know, I think my my question is what is the actual base material? Is it a pre pre-cast concrete or is it a composite fiberglass? No, it's a composite fiberglass. That's the same and it was I
didn't have the term. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, I think that there's an aversion to concrete. Yes, it's a prefabricated. No, I it because that when I originally got before I got this one approved, that's what we did was we
did concrete. It is not a uh cement uh pad. We normally when we do raise things we put them in sonnet tubes which we can't do here. We know that. Um so this is definitely based off of the previous person before Mason was one of the I'm
sorry I don't have the name of what it was. Sean Young Shan Young was the agent back then but well you know what John why don't you stop there. I I I think if it was a if it was a concrete pad, it's not
sir that I think that's the big answer. Mary, are are you okay using a composite? I mean that I think that the it was more than an issue with concrete. We're not supposed to be putting, you know, impervious surfaces on the dune if
we can help it. So that's why it has a a a lesser footprint on the dune if it's if it's elevated. And also, I don't know if it's I assume this is in a flood zone and and um you know, sand being able to migrate under it and everything that like you're
supposed to do for doing performance standards. This structure doesn't really meet that. I don't know how secure it would be in the event of a storm if it would, you know, if it could move. though if it needs to be secured in a different way. But I think that going
with what our standard has been to date uh you know notwithstanding the Harvard way we typically require them to just be on some sort of posts elevated two feet minimum above grade. Okay. So that's my my thinking on it. Okay. Thank you Mary.
Uh TJ, what are your thoughts on this? Um well, I do think we need to um clarify our standard a little bit better so that applicants know exactly what they need to provide and how to do it. Um I do
like the one with the wooden um 6x6es better than the platform, but whatever we decide, I think we should standardize it so it, you know, flows more smoothly for everybody. Okay. Thank you, TJ. Woody, any
questions on this one? What are your thoughts? Well, other than agreeing with what TJ has said and what Mary said prior, um I don't have any additional questions. I like the four post setup that they have the second picture there
as a proposal of the pad that was provided picture. Okay. Thank you, Woody. Mick, any questions or thoughts on this one? Yeah. No, I'm on board with uh with the committee uh just uh with the elevated and posted uh platform. So
when you when you look at what John is proposing, the only thing that's objectional is actually the pad underneath it. The welded platform is certainly acceptable. So can I ask a question, please? Yeah, sure you can.
Um, so that the one that you're talking about that we like, um, that's in a driveway or right in front of the home. It's not on the the grass or the ground or stuff like that. So, are we just looking to make something so it will sit
on the the ground? because what I proposed which was approved in another place uh at 17 Haven way in Newbury um about a year ago um that's at least um bolted down to something that's got some weight to it that's it's not going to go
somewhere. So I guess I'm I'm going to I'm going to agree with what you just said. If we can get something that's a little more standardized, then I would have, you know, come up with something like this beforehand instead of what not applicable now. The probably the
simplest way to have some anchoring is using a diamond pier. I don't know if you're familiar with those. Oh, no, I am. And and that was one of the first uh if you put this if you put it on four diamond peers and used that welded frame that you were proposing looked like it
was a pre-manufactured frame that you used at Harvard Way and just used the diamond peers to anchor it. I think you'd I I think that again speaking for me I'm I'm comfortable with that. But
as long as as Joe's comfortable, I'm comfortable with I want to do it correctly. No. Yeah. Yeah. No, no. Listen, we don't want to make this any more pain painful than Well, the the the it's important to uh from from our perspective to do it right. Right. And um
uh as the commission may know, we put in our seaggrass to get our final approvals, but we've been waiting to get the generator done so that we can then finish off the planning and get that plan out of the way. So um uh uh uh and
this area, just from Mary's point of view, we're not in a flood zone. Amazingly enough, on two at this moment, we're not in a flood zone. I don't understand it, but we're not. But that's cool. So, uh, uh, we just want to make sure we're comfortable with it, and that would be great. So, I I think whether
you do it in wood, Joe, or you do it in metal, uh, you you you saw the picture of the the wood setup, and that's somewhat buried in the ground. Yeah. And or you can do the metal on top of diamond pierce and I think you're going
to be be fine. Let me So, let me go around to Mary. Is that acceptable to you? I don't want Yeah, I just think we can just put special condition on it. That just gives the parameters and other than that then they work within those parameters. Okay.
All right. Uh Mick, anything else before I move on to Diane? No further questions. Thank you. Thank you, Mick. Diane, any questions? You you go by this house almost every day. No, I know. Um guys are neighbors. No, it's been covered. He said he'll put it on um
post, so that's fine. I'm gonna go back and look at Harvard Way and see what happened there. Were you gonna check your vote on that one, D? I got to see what is what happened at Harvard Way. Okay. I don't have any questions. Are there any raised hands from the public
at this time? Okay. Do any members have a request for additional information? I have a quick curiosity question, not to make any longer. How much does that generate away? Um, just under 500 pounds. Okay. Thank
you. Sorry. Thank you. Yeah. Oh, no, no, no. This is this is the process, Woody. Okay. Uh, so I guess the the only thing that we're not going to allow a concrete pad or sonar tubes, the other alternatives are fine. So whether that
is a diamond pier uh or it's a buried you know 6x6 pressuret treated post I think so what was the size against her 6x6 yeah that seems to be seems to be the standard John what's the what's the address of Dave Mullen's
house uh was that 30 I think it's either 26 or 28 Northern maybe I can double check yeah it's on the main I saw it I actually Yeah, that it's just so visible. You go you go right by it. So
yeah, no. So okay, I will entertain a motion to issue. And that's I'm sorry, just one more question. That's pressure treated or weather treated wood and it's 6 by6 and it was it certain distance it had to be in the ground that you or depth it I mean honestly most generators
are sitting on a pad right on the grade. So, right. But you're in you're in our neighborhood, so we get elevated. Okay. What what what typically I've been told, John, is they dig down around 12 in. Yep. And they have a 6x6 going along
the bottom of the posts on on each end and then that just gets buried and adds to a little bit of anchoring. Okay. So, it's a complete thing and then it goes down it. Okay. Yeah. All right. All right. Now, just just on both ends. on say the the narrow end, you you're going to have a a plate on the bottom of it.
So, okay. Thank you. Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding for 240th Street uh with the no concrete, no sona tube uh comment an elevated two feet above
grade, right? Well, that's what they proposed. So, yep. They Okay. Yep. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Is that TJ? Do we have a second? Second. Diane. Okay. Roll call. All in favor?
Mary? Yes. TJ? Hi. Woody. Yes. Mick. Hi. Diane. And Bob Connor's vote. Diane. Did you vote yes on that? I don't. Okay. And I vote yes. Thank you, Joe. Thank you, John. Thank you.
All right. Uh, we have three open enforcement orders and Mason, why don't you give an update? I know Mason has gone out and looked at these. We had kind of kicked these off. Joe Lee, you're all set. Your your permit, your RDA has been uh you had a negative
finding. Okay, great. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. Sorry I couldn't get into the meeting earlier. Yeah. Uh Bob, do I need some paperwork that I have to pick up down at the uh town office? What what I would suggest is why don't you see Mason uh in your travels the town office at probably by the end of the
week you'll you'll have that but then there's a waiting period Joe but Mason will we'll go over that with you. Okay thanks so much committee appreciate it. Thank you. Okay so Mason 30 Riverview Drive what what was the uh so D. Roza Environmental
has submitted their planting plan to me. Think they're just waiting on delivery and installation at this point. Um, so I will keep the commission updated as plans go in. Um, our next enforcement order is 62 Middle Road. Um, it sounds
like the backyard area is stabilized. Um, they had cleaned up some things that, uh, the commission had some issues with in the fall. Um, as I drive by, I've been seeing some, um, crushed stone and some things be stored, um, either in
wetland areas or too close to wetland areas. Um, so I think we have some ongoing issues there um that I'll be addressing with the homeowner this week. Um, so not looking to be closing out on that right now. So no action on the
first two. Yep. And then um lastly, 105 Northern Boulevard. Um, we had it scheduled for May 1st for me to do a sitewalk to check in um on the um gr uh beach grass planting that was required per the enforcement order that was
issued last summer. Um, and it would be my recommendation that we ratify that enforcement order. Um, the beach grass has been in um it was in last season um and it is now looking pretty good. Most of it is is green and and showing good signs of life.
Okay. Uh questions from the members. Mary, any questions on this enforcement order? Um, remind me, Mason, what did you say when it was planted? Uh, winter. It was either last summer or fall. It
might. Yeah, I want to say it went in around September. Okay. Yep. Went in September. Yep. I mean, it would be good to give it a little more time if Is there a reason to release the enforcement order at this point or uh I mean, he's either in compliance. Yeah. I
mean, he's just either in compliance or or or I mean, he isn't. It's It's all green because I've driven by it. It They put in a nice little rose. Oh, no. He had I noticed that, too. The the the
owner knew that Mason was going to measure the 12 by 12 grid pattern. It looks like it. Yeah. A very nice job. Yeah. Okay. Woody, any any questions on this one? No, I think it looks great. And if it's green and alive and survives, I think that's even better.
Okay. Thank you, Woody. TJ, any any any comments or questions on this one? No, no questions, Bob. Thank you, TJ. Mick, how about you? Any any questions? No, no questions. Planning looks um very systematic. Looks good.
Diane, any any questions? Uh we see it every day. It looks good. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I have to say this was uh one of those enforcement orders that uh the owner the applicant or I guess the the owner of the property cooperated
with us and and actually did everything that we asked and and did it in a nice fashion. So, okay. Is there any any raised hands from the public? Okay. I will entertain a motion uh to close the enforcement order for
105 Northern Boulevard. So moved. Second. Diane. Okay. Roll call. Uh Mary. Yes. TJ. Hi. Woody. Yes. Mick. Hi.
Diane. Yeah. And Bob Connor's vote. Yes. So when you say include just to clarify close the enforce motor that means that Mason will write a letter to Exactly. Right. A separate form for that. So okay. Yeah. We actually have a form letter that I think we got from the
Rowley agent that memorializes that it the matters. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. We have no extension requests. Continue public hearings. All right. Uh
D file number 0501445 7 Marsh Aav. The applicant proposes to install a seasonal dock for use of a single family home located at 7 Marsh Avenue. The permanent access walkway is proposed above main high water and the walkway will use openflow
decking. Mason, can you provide an update? I know you've been talking uh to the circuit writer on this. Where we at on this? Yeah. Uh so originally we had gotten comments from DMF um and some original comments from the commission that um were answered and responded to
by Steve. Um we were able to go out to the site um and complete a sitewalk. Um and then in between then and now I've received some additional comments um from the reviewer on the project. um mostly concerned about salt marsh vegetation um having adverse impact in
the ACEC um and having a structure across flow tidelands without a chapter 91 license. Um there was some additional concern um regarding general scour of the salt marsh in this area um and if there would be anything put into place
to protect um future scour in in this area but especially um where the posts are um where the the pier and dock is being composed. Um, yeah. And that would be all of Are they Are they Are they thinking some
sort of a rip wrap around that to I'm not sure what Stephen, are you? Yeah. Um, yeah, I'm I'm I'm here. Um, yeah, I'm not sure what what the concern is as far as scour number one, all the posts are about Stephen Steen, if you
could just give us your name and your Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Uh, Steven Sawyer. Steve Sawyer with Millennium Engineering. I'm here with um I believe Peter Peter um representing Peter Lar Laraveier um I believe he's on the call al he's on the zoom call also but but
yeah so there seems to be a lot of you know at least um Alicia's concern about the the scour we've done many of these and where the post located they're at they're at they're above mean high so it's only on the the the larger tides
where they even see water to create any scour and and at that time you're at slack high tide. So there's really no it's not like there's this current in that area on the bank uh where the posts are located as far as my observations just knowing how
title cycles work and such. And we've done a fair amount of these. I think I provided a I've done a few of these actually in the in the ACC similar um similar with posts with the well actually what we're using are the the
helical the helical um anchor peers uh foundations. So, those are just basically a one-inch diameter shaft that has a a larger um there's like a couple larger uh I guess like almost like a plate type
where you cork it's a big corkcrew. They corkcrew them into the marsh. Uh originally we had 10-in piles that we're going to just drive in similar to the float next door, but due to the concerns of installation and the impact of those
piles on the marsh, um we changed it to these these helical um helical and then there's a 4x4 post on top of it. So, as far as the installation, it minimizes any impact to the to the marsh. Um,
yeah, there'll be people walking on it and if there's people standing, you could throw down a temporary mat so they're not, you know, the their their boots are are are somewhat protected on that mat. Um, so we've done a few of these and I'm I'm not I I just don't
understand the concern given the fact that the posts are located above mean high and so that they're you know only half you know okay half of the high tide cycles are below mean high the other half are above. So typically there might be you know as
much I think in a full moon tide there might be I don't know a foot foot and a half of water during the the the king tides or something of that nature but with that it's infrequent and also doesn't come with any current. So I just don't understand that concern of the the
scour of the marsh. So, so Stephen taking at its face what what the circuit writer has said, what would you propose for scour protection? I mean, what what is acceptable in that area?
Well, you can't there's definitely no you can't put rip wrap or any stone. You don't want to do that to the marsh. Um, you know, the only other Yeah, you could probably just put a little donut um like a a small
uh a small donut of um waddle around or like a some sort of waddle around it around the base of it. But those would, you know, those would want to float away um eventually. And you know, eventually they'd probably degrade anyway and they wouldn't be there after after a number
of years. Um I've never you know in I've done I've done many many floats. I've designed many floats typically um and I don't think we've ever on any any of these provided any scour protection for for the um for these
posts. Okay. No, I again it I raised the question because it came back as a technical a technical question from Alicia. So why don't I hold you there Stephen? Let me open this up to questions. Mary, questions uh for
Stephen on the on this project. Um yes, I have some questions. Mason, could you pull pull up the plan, the most recent plan? So, the the ability to permit this dock lies entirely
on the, you know, whether or not that little mound is above mean high water. So, um, you know, we're I I'd like Steve to walk me through how he came up with 3.82 as mean high water since that's
different than we've seen for other projects on the river and what US Fish and Wildlife Service uses up stream. And so, and also, so you we're saying it's 3.82 and and the peers are located at
3.9. So, it's within it's really within the um degree of error here of the survey almost. And also, we only have a couple of there may be more spot shots that aren't shown on this plan that might be helpful to show, but I'm I'm
really uncomfortable, you know, right right now with where we stand with that fixed portion of the pier not being considered to be below meani water. It's Mhm. it's um you know it's very close. So maybe Steve if you can walk me through how you came
up with the three. So I am I am not a professional surveyor. So, I rely on the professional surveyor of record to do this. And um the survey of record was Everett Chandler, who's done a tremendous amount of a tremendous
probably some of the probably the most uh surveys along the coast here, you know, around Newbury, Port Newbury, um Amesberry and such. Um, so he actually pulled it what he, you know, typically what was used before on our plans. We
had 4.1. He was using the Gloucester station, I guess, the Gloucester um uh information. There was a disc down there uh the the that were published on NAVD 88.
So the discs what he did was to update this he used the discs on Plum Island um the available the best available information from Plum Island. So he utilized that to come up with the 3.82
um there as part of the updated material I provided a blur basically there was three paragraphs on how he determined u this the mean high water for the river. If I could just so what the actual
ground elevation is is just a strict survey, but how you how you determined what mean high water is at that location is is something different because NAVD is a vertical datim for surveying and
that you know the tidal datims that generate mean high water are are using totally different information. So how what where was mean high water taken? Was there a tide sta gauge station nearby that was used? And so
yeah so he used a gau yeah he used a gau yeah I'm sorry he used a gauge yeah he used a gauge station at plum island. That's what he used and that's I guess the that's the closest area in proximity that has close Yeah. It's closer than Glouster than it was
pre previously used that had published mean high water or gauge station data. Right. And so that's mean low low water datim. Yeah. Which which is different than in NGVD. So you're going to get an a mean low low water datim from you know
a federal tide gauge station that's going to be like elevation 9 or something and you've got to convert it to NAVD88. And that's the key part is how was that conversion made because there's depending on what converter you use and
how you do it. It differs by a few ten you know one way or the other and then and then that can make a difference in whether or not you're actually in below mean high water or not. I think functionally you are in this case it's just it's too close. It's so yeah know
you I guess we're splitting hairs here but I guess one thing that that was done was the at Riverfront there's a plan of record um 2004 plan recorded plan books 79 379 plan 50 riverfront marine route
1A bridge over Parker River elevation of 3.9 was used for mean high water for that project and then also the army corps of engineers at North Point reserv ation terrace used an elevation of
3.78. Um, so I guess what Everett has come up with through his conversion calculation utilizing the plum island disc data is consistent with those two projects um that utilize that that um
projects reporting the mean high water. uh you know I this that whole you know as far you know I know he spent an extraordinary amount of time determining the conversion and applying the 3.82 or coming up with that 3.82 and now on all
of his plans he's using 3.82 based on that extensive work that he did for this this general area. Yeah. Yeah. So, so that um I mean that's my primary concern with this right now is is just you know
we're we're at the razor's edge literally of making a determination on this. So it's obviously it's a big structure. It has you know a significant crossing across Salt Marsh already that's elevated you know without um it's
going to be very expensive structure to to construct. It's based on using helical piles. We don't even know if you know if that's possible in that area. If there's going to be ledge under there that's not going to allow helicals to be
installed there. So there, you know, and the issues of installing and and and um dismantling it seasonally are are also have potential to have impacts to the marsh that can probably be managed. Um that you you talked about how that would
be done. Um but I I did I have some reservations about this. So that's all I This is Peter Larave. Peter Peter please please hold till you're recognized by the chair. Mary. Yeah. Think that's the end of my comments. Thanks Bob. Okay Peter
if you what would you like to add? Well one is I spent a lot of money on this survey and Sure. I've submitted this information multiple meetings ago and I've had cost associated with what the work Steve's doing and answering all the
questions that were subsequent to what we submitted. So now these questions are coming up. So it's a little disconcerning to me that this brought up earlier because it's cost me a lot of a lot of money. Yeah. No, and these are the same questions that we had in the field. And the secondly is I just don't
understand. I mean, I live on the I live in this area and I see the activity with the docks and it seems like I'm just asking for what everybody else does and I don't it it's it seems like it's
very more stringent on me than what everybody else is doing. So I ju I just don't understand. I I got like almost $20,000 into this already. Sure. And I've been asked I've asked every, you know, not everybody, but I've asked Mason and a few other people, if this is
a nogo, then tell me because I don't, you know, that was early on. Now I'm into this for $20,000. And y it seems like, you know, and I I respect I' I've respected everything. I've done everything that everybody's asked and nobody has said. Peter, let let me just
stop you there. What we're dealing with is as you submit new information, it goes to DP and then the circuit writer contacts the agent and raises questions and then we we have to process them with with with Steven. So, I mean it I I hear
your frustration, but peers that were put in 5 10 20 years ago uh probably wouldn't be allowed to be put in today because of these same things with elevation and and all of that. But so, but trust me, I I I I understand your
position. We're trying to get you to the finish line, okay? And it if we don't do our job here, then D will likely intervene and that adds another level of uh cost and uh delay for you. So that
bear I guess my comment was around more of just getting the um gang way off of the mar off of the permanent structure and the concern relative to the marsh and I watch these docks go in and out
every day like every year. No. And I just wonder why I'm being treated differently than maybe everybody else is. It all has to do with the contours of your site. you know, we're just looking at strictly at the contours of your site. If if because the topography
in your at your particular location is a little bit different, it makes it much harder to meet the current regulations than it does for a property just immediately up river from you that doesn't have these same conditions and they they could get a dock approved without a lot of problems. So, you're
just unfortunately this location is a little trickier, much trickier actually. So, um, so that's why it's just taking longer and it's more expensive to do it. It's just not quite, um, it's it's a it's a it's an unusual
location, put it that way, the way that the marsh is, the elevations of the marsh at this location. So, let me let me take control of this meeting again, please. Mary, do you have any further questions for Stephen? because I do want to go through all the
members and and have Stephen uh you know respond to other questions. Are you all set for the time? Yes. Thank you. Okay. All right. Thank you, Mary. Uh TJ, any questions for for Stephen on me? TJ, you're on mute if you're you have a
comment. Okay, I'm gonna Yeah, my my Thank you. My my question is I guess it's to Mary more than Stephen if that's okay. U Mary does the 3.8 medium high water does that
qualify? Does that make this reach the standard or does it not or is it where does that stand? Mary you're on you're on mute. Your fixed pier has to be above me high water. Okay. So at that
the elevation where the fixed pier is is 3.9 and they're saying um based on their calculations and I've worked with Steve and Everett for years. So I I trust their work but they're saying that um
mean high water elevation based on the tide gauges nearby is 3.82. So you're you're only less than an inch, but they away from a a you know a a condition that's ve that's very
variable, you know, so it could be plus or minus at this particular location. Who knows what it is, you know, over 19ear title cycle, title epic. Um but it's it's very close to mean high water. And so my issue
is, you know, their their numbers mathematically just barely make it, right? So how would I mean they've hired a a surveyor, he's come in, he's given his professional opinion. Yes, they just barely make it, but they do make it. I
guess I what else what else would they be able to do to No, the only thing I would add is you know if there are additional spot elevations that can confirm location of those peers are above 3.82 that would be helpful to me
but this just you know sometimes knowing too much is is a little more about these regulations. Most of us don't suffer from that uh we don't suffer from that Mary. So I I I think the big question is TJ if I could just Yep. Go ahead. I I I
we're not questioning the data. Your question was more how they came up with the conversion and and I and I think Stephen using the the reference to the bridge actually clarifies for me what
what it is in that area. But okay. So TJ, any other questions? No. Woody, any any questions for Stephen on this one? No, I don't have any questions right now or comments. Thank you. Okay. Thank you,
Woody. Mick, any questions for Stephen on this one? No, my my thoughts were kind of along the same line as TJ, so I appreciate you bringing that up, TJ. Thank you. Thanks, Mary, for the explanation. Okay, Diane, any any questions on this one for for Stephen? No questions. I
mean, I was on the site visit on this one and it Yeah. tough one. There were a lot of concerns and a lot of questions that were raised at that point. So, um I'm with Mary on this one as far as let's get the answer, I guess, and
maybe we move from there. Yeah. I mean, we're all in a site visit. I think to Mary's point, Peter, is is that you just have a unique condition in front of your property that that's made it a little more challenging to uh get to a permitting stage and you'll probably
discover a little more expensive to get to actual construction stage if if it goes that far. So, Stephen, I want to just if you could recap what was the what was the elevation that they
used on the bridge crossing the Paka River? Uh, they used the cross on the Paka River was 3.9. Okay. And the elevation that you're using here for mean high water 3.82. Okay. And what's
the elevation of the the area? So there's spark grades that range from four um you there's a there's a contour four that kind of wraps around there 4.2 there is a 3.9 uh a 3.9 shot in you know within there
but the there's a higher contour of four that kind of wraps around that wrapped around the um you know the the area uh as far as that hump but there it oscillates between uh 4 uh 4.2 two and
3.9. Okay. Well, from my perspective then it it it meets the standard. So prop how do you propose to put the helical piles out there? What's going to be your equipment? I mean what do you use for staging area? What are you going
to use do for? Yeah. Walk me through that. The installation part of the helical. Yeah. So, the staging area would be up uh on the Landwood side with a with a pathway. That's where you'd stage your materials. Um, actually, I did some extensive research on some of this, some YouTube videos, this and
that, and and they can be installed by by hand. Basically, what they do, um, is they'll they'll pound in a piece of rebar as a pilot hole, and they slide um they they slide the um the helical on
top of it. And basically they just it's they get a big lever. They'll take a big uh either 2x4. There's a there's a um uh basically a channel at the top and they they you know a massive corkcrew. You know what they say with big enough
lever you can you can move the world. So So it's not going to be done by by equipment. It it's going to be done by hand. It's going to be Yeah. I I something motorized that'll be handheld. Yeah. I Yeah. I couldn't find it. Also, there was like a you know the motorized
um motorized augers for post hole diggers that people Yeah. Um I've I saw I couldn't find that one. There was there was some a video clip of uh one of the providers of these vehicles with two men um two men holding the the augur and
it and it will screw basically screws the piles into the into the into the mud. What's the penetration you need on the helilicals? I I defer that. That unfortunately is going to have to be to the helical provider. I imagine that if you end up with a with, you know, with a
with a larger plate at the bottom probably they range from I think 4 in and some they go up to like 8 in depending as far as the the the u the the I don't know I guess the cork screw or whatever the plate that sort of that
sort of drives it in or drives it into the mud. Uh probably the larger the plate the less depth. um the smaller probably deeper you'd need to go deeper and it all probably depends on the integrity of the muck the the the the sultan muck itself um is so my guess
it's probably going to be you know five to six feet is there a cross-section elevation of that proposed of the submitt uh there is well there's a we did a profile view of the a profile view of the um dock so there there is a
profile well That's for the That's for the float. So they, you know, that there there's the profile view of the the pier itself. And then um I did have a detail of how the uh how they'd be connected to the 4x4 post uh on the left side of the
plan if you pan left and up, I believe. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, there it is right there. Okay. Okay. Okay. And there's there's multiple manufacturers of these um these types of piles. It's actually they're fairly
common now. Uh very common practice, a common method not only for coastal but for um just homeowners, you know, installing instead of a sauna tube, they're using these to support um decks
and small small additions. you know, they use them for underpinninging of footings if an area is settling, you know, to stabilize their they actually work very well. All right. I mean, I I think the big thing here is
memorializing the process of install and seasonal removal. And is is that actually in a in a footnote here on the plan or uh there was some footnotes in the plan on the
right just talking about uh as far as the installation I think on the right we talked about uh helicles on the just above the yeah so helicles um pair support to be installed manually with no track vehicle uh allowed on marsh use uh
portable erosion mats uh to protect I think it was trying to see u to ensure no uh no damage to the marsh. So I guess they could just bring out a 4x4 mat stand on it while they're uh cranking these things into the into
the soil. And then from there it's fairly straight, you know, it's fairly straightforward. I don't know if they'd build portions of the frame and and you know, two people carry the frame out and and or they just build it in place. Um Oh. This is Peter Larara here again. I
just Bob, were you referring to the seasonal removal of the floats? Yeah. You know what it's it's the annual maintenance is just to what's what the system's going to be and have it memorialized, Peter. Right. So, I'll just explain it quickly and we can we can put it in writing. But as you were
at the site visit, looking at the river to the left is small marina there, right? Andrew Haley owns that. What happens is at high tide, he waits for an astronomical high tide. He'll float the floats off. He has a he has a um like a
backhoe with a fork on it, bring the floats over by boat to his ramp that he has there and they lift them out and then he takes them with that um back hole, wherever you want to store them off. I have mine. I store them off the marsh up land and he does that every
year without, you know, destroying the marsh. if you will. Yeah. Oh, no. Listen, it there's a science to it. The the issue is we need to memorialize it on on the order of conditions, Peter, because you're you're selling this and the new
owners have to know what the guidelines are going to be pursuant to the order. I just wanted to explain how he does it so that he's not he's not going across the marsh to get the floats out of the off the uh you know, out of the river, if you will. There's a lot of clever ways
of doing this stuff and Yeah. The old Yankee Ingenuity in Essex County has mastered it, mastered all of these. Okay. So, Mary, I'm gonna go back to you. What other questions or concerns do you have? And what would you recommend
for a annual installation? I'm calling it mobilization, demobilization. That's the language I speak. But um I think in terms of like the construction sequence whenever a contractor is you know was
retained we could we could under any any order conditions could specify that it was uh that that a construction sequence be provided so that we could go Mason could walk through it or whoever the agent is at the time and walk through it make sure that it complies. As far as
the annual maintenance and removal, it I think it's just that it the the floats can't be stored has to be have to be stored outside of the buffer zone or outside of the resource area at least and that the seasonal portions be
have to be removed annually. Other than that, I don't know what else. Stephen, can you put together a little one pager on on the sequence of schedule when they have to go when they have to be, you know, the season when they can
go in, when they have to be out by and and just memorialize this all and I think we can add that as a one of the conditions that will will succeed the order in perpetuity so that it becomes the next
owner. Peter, if you were going to live there, we know you, you know, we know you're going to do it right, but everyone's going to reinvent the wheel. I got I understand. So, it's just to keep everyone out of trouble. And that's I think that's the key. Yeah. My point
was it's it's it's an easy commentary, if you will, relative to how you can take these boats in and out without damaging the marsh. Can't tell you how many times the new owner of the property comes in and says, "What do you mean I have to get
permission to do anything?" So, it's just documenting it. It just comes back. It makes it easier down the road for for everybody. Keeps everyone getting into trouble. But Mary, anything else besides having that whole seasonal install and
removal? Um, I didn't see Alicia's the D peer reviewers, the reviewers comments. Was there a I didn't see it in the dropbox or anything. Is it I think it just came in. Was it a phone call, Mason? Was it a phone call with Alicia today? Yeah. So, she had originally
posted her comments and then called with some additional comments and concerns. Okay. So they had to do with not disturbing vegetation I think you said or yeah salt mar uh the disturbance of salt mar vegetation
mostly um the ACC issue which Steve had mentioned um and then the scour which we had went over as well. So the a what was the AC issue? um uh looking at no adverse impact in an ACC, but I believe uh Steve was saying
um that it doesn't apply if it's for um for use or access to a waterway. Yeah. Yeah. Mary, I think I think one of our comments just said there was no there was no impact in the ACC and then I think what happened was the next pres
the next provision down um mentioned that unless um unless it's a water dependent use then it shall be the minimum extent to the minimum extent. So it's obviously a water dependent use. Yes.
Um, okay. Because yeah, this is one of these situations where we want to get it right so so that it doesn't get so the DP doesn't intervene, which they have the ability to do if they don't like our decision. And if you need a superseding order, then that's going to mean you
have to go to MEPA because you're in an AC. It it you don't want to have that happen. So, we're trying to make sure we can craft something that's workable and defensible here. Um, okay. Well, you know what? So, Mason, do
you read what what Alicia had added for comments? Just just so all the members have clarity and her original comments or the not the most most recent. I think we we had her original comment. Yeah. So uh the disturbance to salt
march ve vegetation was one of her concerns. Um she mentioned that being a waterfront property um does not you know make you subject to a dock by right. Um the ACE issue with no adverse alteration in this area. Um she was curious on the
necessity of a chapter 91 license since it's a structure across flow tidelands. Um she presented the issue of scour um and the um the erosion of the salt marsh around the uh permanent
structures. Um and then she had brought up a coastal wetland restriction order um to see if there was any deed restriction on the property uh preventing any any building of a a dock repair. So, Stephen, on the chapter
91, where are you at at that? Do you feel you need to file for that or No, no, we don't. So what h kind of the way we've this whole ACEC dock program the way it's always been kind of the the way to get to do it instead of having to go
to waterways where you'd run into an issue with a permanent structure inside the um you know a permanent structure where you require a 91 license where this is there's no permanent structure below mean high water um and all of the
remaining items are all seasonal. you they allow it they call it a 10A the 10A harbor master permit annual permit so many I probably I would say 80% of the floats on on the parker probably utilize that 10A harbor master permit
versus a full chapter 91 license that begs the question what's the process to do that 10A harbor master permit and is that something you've already secured or is it you can't it's dependent we You always first get your They won't
give you unless you have your order conditions, they won't give you a 108 permit. It's the harbor local harbor master. Then you you need to renew it annually. Yep. Okay. Okay, Mary, anything else? This is Peter again. I have spoken to the harbor master about this multiple times and
showed him the plans and everything and I don't know that means anything, but he's he just said, "Yeah, get it approved and I'm I'm good." Barry, you know what? I think Mary summed it up. We're just trying to make this so no one else, you know. I I completely understand it. I'm just And yeah, and I
listen I I've been jumping through hoops, so I I want to do what's right and you know, so I know I hear you. The whole design of the structure is to avoid chapter 91. So that's and it's also under 600 square feet, right? So Steve made modifications to make sure
that Yeah, I reduced Yeah, I reduced the footprint of the the the float itself. You may still need an Army Corps um SV as well. Yeah, you need the SVM. Just the SV. Okay, that's self ver verification. So, so I I'm I'm I'm
assuming now that the circuit writer is just providing a checklist of questions we should be asking and these they're being answered. Um I mean that's the way I'm reading this. Mason. Yeah. Yeah. And I thought I had answered and you know I I had submitted additional material and
you know I we there's a few of these I've done and the marsh is perfectly healthy around the post. business. No, we have not seen there was one that we did down in Gloucester. I don't know how many years ago. It's it's been a few now. Um, eight years ago and and and
it's the marsh is fine. Similar type similar similar elevation just above mean high. Um long flat marsh um long flat area. Um and actually it was a longer we had a longer distance to get
to the to the to the cliff. So the bank where you can ramp down into the water on that one. Um and and actually with that one we didn't provide the one and a half to one the fisheries comment we we lifted the we lifted the um lifted the pier portion to be provide the one and a
half to one one and a half to one um height to width to provide uh light and air underneath the the dock so the marshall stay healthy underneath the float. I mean underneath the pier. Uh Diane, any any questions for for
Stephen on this? You're you're you're on mute, Diane, if you're No, sorry. Not that haven't been discussed already. Sorry. Mick, do do you have any further questions? Are there any other further questions from the members at this time before I open
this up to the public? No further questions from me, Bob. Okay, Mason, do we have any raised hands from the public at this time? Seeing none. Okay. Uh do any members have a request for additional information plan
amendment or adding additional content to this notice of intent or order or conditions as a condition. So why don't we why don't we discuss what we we were talking about. We're we're going to be Stephen, you were going to generate a seasonal install
removal protocol. Mhm. With dates and where where where the components are going to be stored. Okay. Yeah. The just a question, Peter, is there guidelines for dates of in and out? I'm just curious
because I I'm not aware of them. I have a dock and I'm just not aware of them. So just not questioning it. I just curious if there are dates that you have to evaluate. I'm not sure we put that date dates in previous docs or not. Just that it's
seasonal seasonal. What what what is the seasonal dates by the state though? There isn't one. Okay. When we were do but didn't we have dates when we were doing over at the uh Plum Island Station that they had to take them they had to
remove. That's the one I'm thinking of. Yeah. It wasn't a dock, but there was a structure there that we they would temporary it by um December 1st or something like that. It was late, I think. Okay. Well, I think you you you get the drift
of what we're we're looking for. Again, it's for the next owner to not wind up before us uh with an enforcement order by it's more an issue of you wanting to get your structure out before hurricane season. So, or before ice and all that.
space. Okay. So, but there's no no specific date. So, if we just put a date on there that says have to have them out by December 1st and you can't have them in before again, we're just trying to provide a cheat sheet for the next donor.
And say what do we say November 15th then? That way that you know somebody could conceivably still be able to get them removed if they weren't. And how about the end? March or is March 31st or
something? Sure. Do do September November 15th, March 15th. And again, it's going to be weather driven anyway. You're not right. Yeah. Very few docks are in at that time or out that late. Okay. Okay. Are there any other special
conditions pre-construction meeting with the conservation agent prior to mobilization in actual stata work and that would be a traditional are there anything else before we were there time of year restrictions in the
DMF comments Mason? Um let me double check in terms of the install. Yeah. Yeah. They said they prefer it, I think, uh, November, October, November time frame, I think, or November. To do it in the
summer. Yeah. You probably prefer having a little frost in the ground just to be able to get in and out of there without it being a mukb. Yeah, I think they wanted the marsh to be dormant as well while they're doing the work, I guess.
Well, would we just add the DMF letter as as an attachment to the order of conditions for recording? Yeah. Yeah. Was there a natural heritage um on this one? No, we were outside of
the natural heritage. Yeah. Okay. So, why don't we just add the DMF letter as an attachment to the order of condition for recording and then its content is its content. Anything else,
team? All right. I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing. So moved. That's TJ. And who seconded? Second. Diane. Okay. Roll call. Uh Mary.
Yes. TJ. Hi. Woody. Yes. Mick. Hi. Diane. Yes. And Bob Connor's vote. Yes. All right. So I think we've identified what
uh what conditions we want to add to the to the order. Um so I will so just to re restate it's pre-construction meeting uh you know prior to start of construction with the agent a seasonal install removal
protocol and we're going to attach the DMF letter is an attachment to the filing to the order. I would say also and any uh that construction mats be used um as
necessary. Yeah, they're on I think you have those on the plan. They're on the plan. Yeah, it's also in the DMF letter as well. Okay. So, what we'll do, Mason, we'll reference the DMF letter as attachment
B. Yep. you know, incorporated. Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue an order of conditions for Seven Marsh Avenue with the beforementioned conditions in our usual
condition. So moved. Second, TJ. Okay. Okay. Uh, roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ, hi
Woody. Yes, Mick. Hi. Diane, yes. Bob Connor. Okay. Thank you, Stephen. Stephen, if you can just get that get that one pager over to Mason. And Mason, if you have any questions with it, just,
you know, put me in. But all right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. I have to apologize. I actually took Seven marsh out of order. 13 Fatherland was actually on the agenda. I I
apologize for that. So, next is a continue public hearing D file number 050144913 Fatherland Drive. Applicant is submitting a notice of intent for installing an ingground pool in an addition existing single family
dwelling. Jity Lux sits within the 100 foot buffer zone. All proposed alterations in construction are outside of the river fund. Mason, we we obviously there's been some additional information provided by the applicant. Yep. Yeah. So, bring us up to speed on
that. Yeah. where we had left off at the last meeting. I believe we just wanted to confirm um that from the mean high water line um that none of the none of the project would be falling within the riverfront area um which Bill Emanuel had sent over the stream stats um and
some additional information um showing that the project location um is not in the riverfront area but the property does contain riverfront area um on the back side. Okay. All right. Questions from the members. Mary,
I'm all set. Thank you. Okay, TJ, no questions. Woody, I'm good. Thank you, Bob. Okay, Nick. Nick, you're on mute if you're frozen. There he goes.
Yeah, Nick, we're doing a roll call. Give me a thumbs up or a thumbs down. All right, that's a yes. Just like ancient Rome now with I I got frozen there for a minute. All right, Diane. Yes. Okay, and I vote
yes. Are there any raised hands from the public at this time? Seeing none. Okay. Do any members have requests for additional information, plan amendment, or adding additional content uh to the notice of intent?
Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing. Move. Second. Okay. Okay. Roll call. Uh, all in favor, Mary. Yes. And thank you for providing that
additional information on the riverfront area. My pleasure. Thank you. TJ. I. Woody. Yes. Mick. Hi, Diane. Yes. In Bob Connor's
vote. All right. Uh any special conditions outside of our usual conditions? I think this is pretty cut cut and dry. What we always like is to have that pre-construction meeting, but that's actually in the your general
order of conditions, isn't it? Uh Mason, sorry, what was that? The pre-construction meeting is in your general orders. your special your general order condition. Our general conditions incorporate a pre-construction meeting prior to the
start of any construction. They might I know we normally put it in as a special condition, but it it may be okay. Well, you know, we'll add it as a special condition and then it's just duplicative if it's it's already in. Okay. Anything else team that we want to I think it
might be worthwhile to just note um that in your finding section that the site contains riverfront area and uh bordering land subject to flooding but not within the project site project area.
Okay. Mary, anything else you want us to Thank you. Okay. Uh PJ, any any questions or anything? Any other No questions. Okay, Woody. No, I'm good. It was a good
presentation originally and Yeah, it was an excellent excellent river information. So, thank you very much. Nick, any any questions on this one? Nope. No. All set. Thank you. Okay, Diane, any questions? Okay, I have no questions. I will
entertain a motion to issue an order of conditions for 13 Fatherland Drive uh with our usual conditions and then just the inclusion of the findings comment that Mary had suggested and pre-construction meeting
with the agent prior to start of construction just to inspect erosion control and staging areas. Okay. Who's who made the motion? All right, Diane. Okay, roll call. All in favor? Mary?
Yes. TJ, hi. Woody, yes. Mick, hi. Diane, yes. And Bob Connor is low. Sorry for skipping over you in the It was an interesting presentation. Yeah, you really uh we we stole 35
minutes of your life you'll never get back. Yeah, that's perfectly okay. Thank you all so much. Appreciate it. Okay. Yeah, thank you. Okay, next matter is a continued public hearing on D file number 0501447 2 Plum Island Boulevard. The
applicant is submitting a notice of intent to demolish all existing structure on the property and construct four residential town homes with two pile supported buildings. The project is located in Barrier Beach within 100 ft of the salt marsh buffer. Uh this matter
has been requested to be continued to the first meeting in June. Mason, why don't you just give us an update on this? Yep. And yeah, so attorney Roloff had reached out um earlier this week asking for a continuence to the
June 2nd, June 3rd meeting, excuse me. Um, so I I think they're going to be uh changing their plans based off of some comments from um the zoning board and their zoning board submitt. Um, so they will be updating plans and coming back to us for the first meeting in June.
Okay. the so one point at at the last couple of meetings we've we've talked about peer review on this and and Mary brought to my attention that we that should be a motion before the uh commission and a roll call vote and we
we actually reached out to uh three different uh consultants. The first two just didn't have the bandwidth or had a conflict. uh the the third one which is epsilon associates provided a proposal.
So so that's where it said so uh I will entertain a motion uh on a vote to require peer review on this particular project. So moved. Okay. Do we have a second?
Second. Okay. Any any any questions or comments on this? the the scope of the peer review. I think you shared it with me, Bob, but it's under the protection act and and the um but the bylaw review.
Yeah, it was because the original administrative consent order required the overlay district and the bylaw and it's still in force, Mary. and and if it if it's not in compliance with that, it
just we just it's a very unique project and we just want to make sure we we give it a fair hearing and get it right. So, their scope is they're going to review the acco, they're going to review the overlay district, our bay law, and the wetland protection act. We're not
getting into zoning obviously for the obvious, but it just to make sure that we check all the boxes and it's interesting. I I just was around when the original acco was generated and it was quite specific and it's still in
force today and inadvertent violation of it is $250 a day for the town. Uh, and it's predetermined because it's it's a consent order for the first 30 days and $1,000 a day after the first 30 days.
So, it's it behooves us to get it right. So, okay. Uh, we had a motion and a second. Roll call vote. Mary, yes. TJ,
hi. Woody, yes. Mick, hi. Diane, yes. Vote. Yes. So, team, the the other most of our projects are pretty cookie cutter. They're usually single family house of whether it's being modified, replaced, elevated,
[Music] or within the normal bandwidth that we're we're used to. We have these MBTA projects coming up which are large in scale. Um if you remember with on the 34
central street we have paired review on that uh starting out but I think it's important that we continue on with peer review on projects of that magnitude or ones that are complex similar to what we're looking at on Plum Island uh Plum
Island Grill. So, I think it I will entertain a motion for peer review oversight on 34 Central Street. And what was the address, Mason? On
handover, uh 65 65 Handover Street. So, we can do those as separate motions or we can combine them into one. They're not on our agenda, right? So, yeah. Could you anything about those? Are they Is that one by the circle uh by
the Rotary? No, no, no. That that has an order of conditions that Okay. Yep. is on. Do Do we want to um make a motion to continue the Plum Island Boulevard
before we do that motion? Yeah, we certainly can. Okay. Uh, I'll entertain a motion to continue the public hearing to our June 3rd meeting at the applicant's request. So, move.
So, that's TJ and Diana. Well, Diane, I'm writing you down anyway. Okay. Mary, second, TJ. Hi, Woody. Yes. Mick, hi. Diane, yes.
And Bob C. Okay, Mason, just reflect on the minutes the uh the vote on peer review. Okay, next matter is uh an amendment request for D file number Am I taking this out of order?
Let me just see here. Yeah, I am 13. No, okay, that's actually D file number 0501435. Sunset Club applicant is submitting an amendment to the order of conditions that includes the installation of a 40x40 open pavilion
structure. The submission addresses the impacts of new resource areas and any changes to storm water management. Mason, has there been a request to continue this public hearing? There has, but I believe Steve wants to speak
before uh requesting to continue. Yeah. Um, good evening. Steve Sawyer with Millennium Engineering. Yeah. So, we will be requesting a continuence as for the fact that we um we did get a letter from uh Joe Swarka, the peer reviewer, but it really he didn't address the
impact of the new pavilion structure in regards to storm water. He he basically addressed other other items on the site that um were not built per the original plan. Um so, I guess I just want to make sure that we're kind of nailing down the
peer review itself. You did bring up a a few items. um as far as you dumpster location and some plantings and such that really aren't that I think were included as part of the order there was a order conditions back in October with
a the site plan including the merch shack any of the changes and such that was there was an order issued for that. So I think the the the comments regarding the site conditions that are varying from the original site plan back
in I forget when it was it was quite a while ago is kind of immaterial to his peer review. So as far as for the commission I just want to confirm that's what the peer review should be is just for the storm water review. Well Stephen you actually have two open order
conditions now. Yeah because of the tolling the co tolling. So both orders are in force. Yeah. Where where the intent was to re the second order was to re clean up the first order. There shouldn't be any variance on the
planting schedule between either one of them, Stephen, because we had requested there was going to be no reduction in plants or bushes or or vegetation. Uh but we would accommodate the relocation.
So that Yeah, I know. Yeah. Okay. So is Joe was referencing that you owed us x amount of bushes and there's only and and you don't you're not accounting for all those. So Okay. Yeah. There was there was no wiggle room on the on the vegetation. Whatever you had you had to
duplicate, but you could move it around. Yeah. Uh you know, to an extent. Yeah. And and he did bring up a point. Um there was a section of paving that was I guess it was paved that um it that's a storm water issue where it um you know
unfortunately I think this is the only project on the island that was basically where there's any kind of storm water management because it's you know you have a sand environment and such. So, but given the fact it was a commercial project, you're driven to to meet D storm water standards, but really it's
immaterial to how the storm water behaves on the island as far as my technical expertise or my, you know, my engineering background here. Yeah. So, but so what happened is the pavement directed water. It's directing water um not allowing water to go to
that small rain gardens in the front corner which um that's something I guess we need to address which where I spoke with Vincent about that and we'll we'll come up a we'll come up with a way to address that and direct the amount of water that was previously that part of
the original um plan to that rain garden. So that's one thing that does that he did bring up that is pertinent to uh definitely pertinent to storm water that we need to take care of. Okay. Have you filed for site plan review? We are filing for that tomorrow.
Okay. Okay. Any anything else, Stephen? That is it. Other than that, um yeah, I'll be submitting to clarify the scope of the review with Joseka. Is that what you're Well, I think it was clarified that as far as a planting I think I'm clarified as far as
a planting comment that that's included. Um, just to cl uh and I think there was the dumpster there's a few a few comments there the dumpster location which I I'm not sure whether that's a concern of the there's a dumpster on the property and
whether it's you know we we address we address kind of the dumpster and the propane tank location. Yeah. Okay. Right. And but they like I say it was if you owed us 100 bushes and 200 square feet of dune grass or whatever, you
still owe it to us even though it's an old spot. Yeah. I think the original plan had no there was no dune grass planting. That was part I'm just making Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A wiggle room on vegetation. Understood. Okay. Any questions for Stephen before I
entertain a motion to continue the public hearing? Mary, any questions you want to ask Stephen or Okay. All right. I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing to the June 3 meeting at the applicant's request.
Moved. Okay. TJ second. Second. Woody. Oh, no. Is that M? Mick. Okay. Okay. Roll call. Mary. Yes.
TJ, hi Woody. Yes, Mick. Hi. Diane, yes. And Bob Connors. Okay. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you. Have a good night. Okay. Next order of business is a notice
of intent D file number 050144820 Northern Boulevard. the applicant and their representative as submitting a notice of intent for removing two structures on site and constructing an elevated single family home bringing in compatible sand for the
restoration of the dune also proposed. Mason, why don't you give us an update? And I see Tom Hughes is just illuminated himself. Uh yes, so this is 120 Northern. Um the commission may be familiar with this site as we did a
sitewalk at 37 337th I believe um which is the abuing property owned by um the same homeowners. Uh overall it looks like there's an increase in building steps um and overhang on the buildings. The reduction of woodwalks and retaining walls. Um the open sand and removed
walkway areas are proposed to be converted to grass. Um, this doesn't require natural heritage review, um, as it's not beyond the NHSP line. Um, and the only clarification that I would recommend, um, is on the whereabouts and
installation at the Shell driveway. Um, the plan is a little bit busy, so it was kind of hard to see. Um, but a little explanation on that I think would be great. Okay. Uh, Tom, identify yourself and why don't you make your presentation on this project? Sure. I'm Tom Hughes with
Hughes Environmental Consulting. I'm here on behalf of Susan Costigan and uh and her husband and and they uh do own the the adjacent 337th. I think you guys are familiar and some of you actually parked in the driveway in front of the
garage. That's the property that we're talking about. Um and it has a small structure. Just seaw word of that. Um so I'm going to share my screen if that's okay. Uh, yep. You can allow me. Yep. Should be good to go.
Okay. All right. So, this is the lot. It's a fairly large lot. Extends all the way out uh to the uh just near the the Dune Beach interface. that actually is located a little bit further out than uh
than this depicts. But we're talking the garage, the existing gravel uh parking that leads to the garage and the existing structure on site right here. And um actually what I'm going to do is
I do have these aerials in my um NOI, but they've just come out with 2025 aerials. So, this is this is 2 weeks ago or 3 weeks ago. So, this is a a spot-on exact, you know, image of what's out there today. So, you can see this
garage. You can see this recessed um parking. It actually kind of goes down into the garage. There's uh retaining walls at each side and then the garage. And then this uh structure right here, you can see the sewer uh
pipe right there, the the vent. And um what we'll be showing you is is the plan is to remove both structures to remove uh the two retaining walls to remove this uh existing parking surface and and
driveway that that accesses the garage. And um we will add clean compatible sand in where the uh the dune has been sort of deformed by this structure. And we'll also be uh filling in the void from this
as well. So we'll be basically restoring dune form uh straight through in this area. Uh, and I'll show you on the plans, but I think looking at the picture is is a good way to kind of describe how we're we're going to be healing the the dune as part of this.
And then the proposed building overlaps with this garage area pretty closely. Then we have a deck on the seawward side and a smaller deck on the um on the landward side. So, let me get into the um back into my presentation file.
So the location, it's located on Northern Boulevard on the eastern side of uh Plum Island, which is obviously Coastal Dune, Barrier Beach. It's located in the VE16 flood plane. uh natural heritage. You can see that the
habitat line is significantly seawward of our project area in the VE16. This is actually an older aerial photograph. So I just showed you essentially the same view but you know a couple weeks old. But I think this has the assessor's lines on it as well. So
it gives you a idea of 37th Street, the uh the existing uh drive parking and and garage and then the uh the existing structure right there. This is the 337th that you guys did permit recently and
you did a site visit. Uh many of you were able to attend that. So in terms of the site and uh and overall stability of the area um basically we're in a no statistical change area in terms of the
um the uh shoreline change maps. The area is relatively stable. I actually have worked in this general part of of the barrier uh going back I think my first project in this area was almost 15 years ago. So, I've actually seen it
accrete and it really hasn't eroded in any um significant way. It it's really been an accretionary environment that I've observed out here. Um it's a really relatively stable area. You can see the the historic shorelines are actually fairly tight um in here. There's
certainly some wiggle uh as there would be on any barrier. We'll get back to the cross-section in a minute. Um, so this is um this is just showing you a zoomed in version. We have a we have a zoomed in
site plan and a zoomed out site plan. These areas are hatched green because we're uh removing the structure, planting the path. You can see that we're adding sand uh to essentially
restore some of the the volume that is kind of missing from the dune as a result of the shelter from that uh you know from winds from this uh existing structure and from just general trampling of the dune etc.
Um, we essentially fill right across the existing uh depression of of a drive and then we create the new structure which basically the the road
side of it is here. This area here then becomes the clamshell or gravel drive right here. So that's the area that that you're asking about essentially to access underbuilding parking. So we're not we're not expanding parking or anything, but we're
we're just essentially making more efficient use with the building going over that. Um so we have a deck, a stairway down, and then there's a smaller deck elevated on this side. Um you know, HVAC units, etc. Uh I also
just downloaded the or or put on the um the zoning filing. So, I'll show you the architect's uh view of the structure, which I think um might also be helpful. So, this is just essentially the same plan, but showing you in the
context of the overall site. And you can see that our distance, the closest point on the existing structure to the uh the Seawward lot line is 195 ft and will be moving back
essentially to 214 ft. The Dune Beach interface is actually below elevation 18. You can see how we have a gentle slope going down and and generally it's going to be more in the range of 16 15 or 14 elevation, but it's
basically out here somewhere. We're we're a couple hundred plus feet uh from our work area to the uh to the beach. So, there's quite a bit of dune in front of this site. And it's it's really well
vegetated once you get away from the the sort of more occupied area on this site and this is just the existing conditions plan. Um, so again, you can see how we're the we're at
VE16. Almost all of our project area is bel is above 16 except the drive going down into the garage. So, what we're going to be doing is is essentially bringing this back up to more or less where it would be had there not been
structures before we build back into it. So, we're getting rid of this depression that's below the flood elevation and restoring dune volume with the project. To give you a better sense of what the structure is going to look
like, this is uh the northern boulevard side. There's that small deck that's well up in the air. We'll we'll certainly be able to get vegetation to grow underneath that. This is the Seawward deck. It's a little bit bigger and it has the access stair coming down.
This is a view from the ocean side and this is a view from the roadside um of kind of what the structure itself looks like. Now let me go back to area summary table.
So currently we have uh 791 square ft of building and 797 square ft of gravel driveway. So we're uh increasing building deck steps overhangs.
Um but we're we're reducing the uh the drive essentially because we're overlapping where there's existing drive with the structure. um our our area outside of that is limited and then we're we're getting rid of that seawward
building. So in the end um we're going from 19,987 assumed vegetated square feet. Basically we're assuming everything's vegetated outside of the immediate area of the survey around our work area um to
20,256. So, there's a an increase in vegetative cover. Uh, not to mention though an increase in dune volume, which I think is pretty significant with this project. And it's a fairly modest footprint as far as proposed uh projects
on Plum Island, and we're only about 6% of the lot area. Uh, well under the 20% limit in the um in the bylaw. So, with that, I mean, I think it's it's a good project. It's a fairly tight
um you know work area and we um we're doing a lot of good to the dune in addition to the the redevelopment project here. Um and I say redevelopment not in the context of the bylaw because it is not considered redevelopment because it's under that 20% but we'll
um but so it's a it's an allowable reconstruction uh under the bylaw. It meets the wetland protection act performance standards. We have no comments from D. It's had a file number for quite some time. So, you know, I take that. Sometimes they just don't comment when they're just not
interested. So, I think um I think at this point happy to answer any questions and um you know, I I think hopefully you guys remember the site and don't need another site visit, but certainly open to talking about that as well. So, Tom,
just zoom up. Where's the natural heritage line on the Are you proposing any work beyond that boundary? No, our limit of work is um is right here. Okay. You can see we have a
limit of work um orange construction snow fence right here. And here's the natural heritage line. Okay. You may recall on the neighboring site we were doing planting within natural heritage habitat. So we did have to file there.
Mhm. Okay. Where you proposing for a a uh staging area storing materials? Um so on this lot we have um we have an area for a dumpster that we can
use at 337th. So if you remember how big their driveway is at 37th. So we can we can use some of that property uh as well in the same way that when we're working on 37th Street, we have
this property available. So I think the intent is to um manage the construction so that we're not they're not, you know, using up that space all at once. Uh so we have we have the area over here for
the dumpster contractor parking uh etc. Plus there's nobody else who occupies 37th Street uh you know in this general area. So some of that is available for the contractors to park temporarily or
unload or load uh vehicles. Is 37th Street a rightaway to the beach? Is that used? It is a rightaway to the beach and there's not any intent to block that but you know a truck could come in and make a delivery and get out of there. Okay. Pretty easily. All right, Tom, let me
stop you there and open this up to questions from the members. Mary, questions for Tom on this project? Uh, yeah. My only question, Tom, is does this require any other local board review, planning, zoning, not planning, but zoning review or anything? It does.
It requires zoning. Um, and the zoning application's been filed and that's actually that's where this comes from. This is from the zoning filing. And what relief are you requesting? It's just it because um it's an increase in building height and building size under the PYOD.
Okay. Um and actually Doug Dasha's on uh he's handling the zoning and Doug, I don't know if you want to add to anything on that. No, Tom, you are correct. Um in in fact but for the fact I mean there was an existing structure there so we did need to seek a special permit for
modification because we're going up but other than that the entire structure meets every dimensional requirement it's well below the F well below lot coverage it's uh it's 100% conforming with respect to setbacks and all dimensional
requirements and do we have a foundation plan. Um I think that was the detail you showed. Yes, you had a profile, didn't you? Yeah. No, we did. And actually, and I jumped past that and I showed you the um the architect's profile. Let me go
back to this is actually the NOI, but it's in here as well. Um Yep. Yeah. Actually, I'm going to go back. I'm sorry. I didn't realize I I didn't have that landscaped in that. Yeah. So, this um the surveyor
does a nice job of actually showing you the grade. Um towards the street, there's actually a big mound. Um so, we're we're healing that hole, but we're not, you know, if we were able if if we come up to the height of that mound, it it would make it the project undoable.
But we we are filling in that void uh pretty significantly uh within the dune. Thanks. So those are my only questions. Looks like a good project. Thank you, Mary. Uh TJ Ki, any any questions for Tom? No, no questions. No questions
here. Very good. Thank you, TJ. Woody, any questions for Tom or or Doug? Just curiosity question. The pylons are I beams or uh wood? I believe they're I beams. Um, but I, you know, I'm not 100% certain. Let me take a look at the site
plan and see if it has any further information. Doug, are you um I I I'm not sure, but I suspect they're I beams. Okay. Thank you. Other than that, I have no other question. Okay. Thank you, Woody. Mick, any questions for Tom or
Doug on this one? Yeah, I just I'm just trying to get a mental picture of the how we're going to change that gravel drive, Tom. Right. So, the retaining walls, are they concrete block or something that's existing now? No, it's a wood. It's a wooden retaining wall.
Um, so you you're going to remove those and you're not going to remove the depression, but you're going to reduce it, I guess. So, so we're actually doing a little bit more than matching the grade on each side. So,
um, I didn't do at grade photos because I kind of thought these this told the story, but you've got a wooden wall here. It's it's got about 6 in to a foot of reveal on the outside and two to three feet on the inside. Okay. So,
that's coming out. We fill this with sand a little bit more than that depression, the immediate depression. It's got it kind of slopes down to that wall on each side. So when you look at our grading plan, let
me zoom back out to the presentation. You take a look at at what we're doing is here. We're just, you know, this is just like a veneer at 20, but we're filling in kind of this area here as a little hole where this building is. Yeah. Kind of see that? So
we're we're kind of filling that matching the 20 to the 20. Then we're matching kind of 19 to 19 over here. So we're sort of filling filling and then we're bringing 17 across. And 17 is located maybe three or four feet away
from those wing walls on either side. So we're we're essentially going um we're getting rid of that immediate drop and cut into the dune that was formed. It's pretty clear when somebody built that garage, they they basically dozed out the dune to keep the the
garage profile low. Right. Right. Interest. So you'll be returning. There'll be a lot of, you know, disturbance, I guess, earth disturbance in that area. So you have a plan to accompany all this. Yeah. I mean, so so basically you remove the gravel, you
know, down to the clean sand. We add in the compatible sand and um and then we put the surface the new surface back on in the in the area that's going to go, you know, under the building and uh and for the parking drive, you know, part in
front of it. Understood. Okay. And as far as demo and construction, your your primary access is 37th. You're not Yeah. gonna work from Northern Boulevard. No. No. No. In fact, um if you see our limit
of work fence actually cuts off here because we want to stay out of this. It it it's kind of a mound and I'm suspecting that that it's a mound that's made up in part of some of the sand that used to be
here. And there's also Let me see if it shows on that image. Hold on a second. The controls just got in the way. Let me uh Yeah. So, see this recessed area here? Mhm. It's very similar. There's a
garage built here. My guess is all this sand and all this sand ended up getting piled here, you know. But now that it's piled there, we can't undo it. It It's a dune form. And what is that smaller building? Is that a shed or what what is exactly? So,
it actually has the sewer right here. It's I've referred to it in the past as a boat house. It It is kind of like an old shack um camp. Yeah, just a real tiny little camp.
Okay. And And you have a reveation plan to accompany all this. Yeah, that's the green on the uh on the site plan. So, we're planting these areas here. We're planting the scar of the building. that's coming out, we're planting the
path that runs to it. Um, and then obviously anything within our limit of work that's not otherwise shown gets, you know, that gets damaged during the work gets reveated as well. Okay. And and so parking, you'll uh have a couple
spots underneath and two spots probably. There's not really much room for for this is not much of a drive. Okay. So, it it it's probably, you know, maybe you could pull a car as far in as you could get and maybe you
can get a car that's half in and half out if you had to. Right now, there's comfortably four, maybe even five spots on site uh if you pull into the garage. Uh okay. So, it's probably a reduction in in parking spaces. Um and it's
certainly not an increase in the area either. Okay. All right. Thanks, Tom. Thank you. Uh thank you, Mick. Uh Diane, any any questions for This is directly across the street from me. So I think I'm going to have a busy
We have two big projects going on. It looks like u I think it was Bob. I think you said if you like the view, buy it, right? So didn't buy it. Um so it actually looks like a good project and I knew it was coming at some point. So um I don't have
any specific questions. have looked at every detail of this one. It looks like a good project. Okay. Uh so obviously you you said there's a sewer water betterment going to the little shack. Yep. It's so that's
that's the what you're going to use for the house. Yeah. So basically the the sewer manholes here. We're going to run the sewer directly back into the utility chase right here. Okay. All right. Uh, let me just see what my notes.
Uh, okay. Any other questions from the members before I open this up to the public? Yeah, I did have one. Thanks. Um, just uh Tom, you your grading plan shows us fair amount of disturbance. Yep. And
there'll be likely some disturbance for the demo and hauling material off from that existing structure. So, but your planting replanting plan only includes the footprint of the structure. I know that you're probably doing that to to create your table to to demonstrate the
offsets, but I would assume we need to replant that whole area. That's Yes. Yeah. All areas all areas within our limit of work that where the vegetation is disturbed, you know, will be planted. Okay. I just want you if it's not
otherwise shown, right? So, if it's showing building or deck or drive, maybe a plan note or something on here would be helpful to that effect because it looks like you're only planting in certain areas. Yeah, usually Tim has that note. Um, we certainly would accept a condition that, you know, all areas
not otherwise shown uh within the limit of work, she'll be vegetated. Okay. Thank you. And some of this will be a veneer over um Right. It'll and it'll probably stimulate Yeah, it'll probably actually stimulate growth, but I would still recommend that we plant it. And
what's the worst? We get some extra veg. Yep. Right. Okay. Any other members have uh any additional questions before I open this up? Mason, I I see Ally. Uh Mason, we're going to open this up to
the public. How many do we have? How many people are uh raising their hands from the public? We have one right now. Okay. So, Ally, if you could give us your name and your address and then ask your questions to
Tom or Doug, depending on the question. You got it. Uh it's Allison Pike, 122 Northern Boulevard. Um Diane, we're neighbors. I am the troublemaker from the last project. Sorry, I was very cranky. I was in the midst of cancer treatments. I was quite cranky the last
time I was at your meetings. Um, this project looks great. I just have a few questions for the team. Um, so your when you're planting, you're planting beach grass. That's what the planting plan includes. Is that correct? Yes. And then
on on here it you have proposed utility platforms. Will those be coming off of the building at height of the first level or will they be placed on the dune? Uh, no. Those those are placed um at least 2 feet above grade, but they're they're placed on the structure, you
know, connected to the structure. They're elevated up um off grade. And uh in this case, since the flood plane elevation is actually lower than our ground surface, we have to have a minimum of two foot clear underneath.
Okay. So, they'll come off of the building. Great. Yes. And then the only other thing that I noted um was that there is a pretty wellestablished uh native beach plum bush that abuts that um boat house currently. Will that be
maintained when you do when you take the boat house out and do your plantings? I don't think we're going to be able to. Um if the commission wants us to, we certainly can try to replant um some more beach plum in there. you know, two
or three beach plums somewhere within our our limit of work. The the the one problem is the beach plum is doing so well because it's partly sheltered by the by that building and it is a fairly exposed area with when the building gets
removed. But I think we may be able to either plant that on the landward side of the proposed house or or somewhere where it's still maybe in the maybe kind of right in here. We might be able to do it. We're certainly open to putting some in. It's we normally say American Beach
Grass one foot on center because when folks like the Costigans are working with the architect, they're so focused on the house and thinking about landscaping and outdoors is tough. Um, so it's not uncommon for us to go back
to the commission later and say, "Hey, we'd like to throw some Bayberry in as well, and we'd like to throw in some, you know, some other woody vegetation." And then the the agent can make a determination whether we have to go back to the commissioner, whether that is is something that we can just do within the
permit. Um, we're certainly not opposed to doing it, but as I said, it's really hard until your your framing is in and your siding's on and you start to see the landscape the way it's going to look for people to think about things that are creative outside the building. I'm
less concerned about what they're going to add for planting. I'm sure it'll be lovely. These plans are lovely. The plans for the other home are, you know, visually very appealing. I'm not concerned what they're going to do for plantings. My concern was with the existing very wellestablished, very large beach plum bush, if it's possible
to keep that in place. There's such a good um anchor for the for the grass, right? You're talking this area right here on that back corner. Yeah. It's it's such a wellestablished um one and we don't have many on this area of the dune. Um I'd hate to see it torn down if
it's possible to to leave it undisturbed. Yeah, I I have to say once this building is gone, I don't think it will survive very long because it will be too exposed. Um, if depending on the time of year we do the work, if it can be transplanted,
we may be able to put it in the shadow of the new building. Okay. On this side and get something to work. Again, we're open to trying to do that, but the best chance is to replant it somewhere where it's going to have some shelter. Um, the reason you don't see beach plum on this
part of the beach is because once you get seawward of these homes, uh, they're exposed to the northeast and southeast winds and and sand movement and beach plum are not a fan of the kind of rapid sand burial that you can get in that
area. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Anything else, Alan? No, thank you. Okay. We have a we have one other raised hand. Mason know that anyone else is this? It's showing up as Endless Sky. I'm not sure if that's the
Yeah, it's I think that's the only other hand we have up as of right now. Okay, listen. If you could give us your name and your address and ask you address your questions to either Tom or Doug depending on the nature and you're on mute.
Yes, if you you Okay. Sorry. Oh, there you go. Okay. Hey, welcome. Give us your name and your address and then uh Okay. This is Sue Costigan. My husband and I are the owners of this property. Um sorry, I can't figure out how to get my
video going. I'm on my phone and I don't usually zoom this way, but I just wanted to answer to Ally and also ask Tom, I would like to try to transplant that plum over at 337th Street if there's a
good spot. So, I just wanted to say that that is in our mind and we're not overlooking it just because of trying to get construction going. But um I I do want to try to move that and I'm thinking maybe a spot on the other other
lot we could find a good spot for it. Actually mentioning that the you have a nice sheltered area in here that it would do pretty well. Um we can certainly talk about that and if the commission is okay with us transplanting that. Um, you know, typically you you
prune them back a little bit and then you move them and then you have to make sure you give them a lot of water and it may or may not work, but it, you know, we certainly can work with doing that and I'd be happy to to consult on that.
Thanks, Tom. Thank you, Susan. And I can help with the watering when you're away. Ah, perfect. Sounds like a colleial Plum Island neighborhood. part of Plum Island here. It would be nice to save it if you can
save it because peach plum jelly is delicious. So, so Tom, you you've got a lot of filling and adjusting of grades which you know I get. Um I would actually like to see that you you stake out the proposed uh location
of the house. you know, doesn't have to be exact, but you know, representative and just walk through what you're filling in and, you know, what the quantities you're generating. I know you'll provide a civ analysis and but with with the change in
grades in the reveation. I I think it's important that you uh entertain planting at least 12 native shrubs. Now, they can be determined over a period of time, but I think you might as well incorporate something now
um and because they're going to come in some sort of a landscape element down the road and and it is good to add some shrubs to these projects. Yeah, the I mean, we're happy to do that. Um in terms of
of and let me get back to the um the project plan. You can see right here the footprint of the garage. So basically the the seawward side of the garage is the
um is as far east as the side of the the building really gets. It's it's more or less in line with that. It's it's a touch further right here. And then you have the stairs and the deck um are right off that. So, it's it's really
right in line with what you're seeing for the um Yeah. My my concern my what what I need clarity on is where you're adding Phil, how you're blending these in. Yeah. So, so and and that's the thing that and and actually I met Mason
on site and and when you're standing there um you can see that you have sort of you have this nice dune form that exists in this area, right? And then you reach this area and it's hollowed out.
You can see it in the contours. So what what nature would have had is a nice smooth slope turns into kind of a hole where this has sheltered from the winds and deprived this area of accretion of sand. So what we're doing is we're
essentially matching grades here to grades here and running the contours across. So, as we do that, we're filling in the hole created by the sheltering from that building because that building goes right down to grade um and is blocked sand movement. And then here
we're we're continuing that in order to to get rid of this hole that's been created, you know, artificially as the the garage was built. Um so so what that looks like on the um on the plan. So if
you take a look and let me let me zoom right in. Yeah. Know I I I I understand the plan Tom but we're looking at a one-dimensional you know and it you're you're proposing bringing in a fair amount of fill and we are we are and
then it's going to be what are you going to you're not doing it by hand. You're not doing it by by wheelbarrow. You're going to be, you know, what's the equipment you're proposing to use uh to to bring this up to grade? And it just
and to Mary's point, I I just need more detail on what the quantity of material that you're bringing in. Um I mean, it doesn't have to be to the cubic yard, but I'm suspecting you're bringing in two or 30 hundred cubic yards of material here, too. It's it's a good
volume. Um and and I think we just going to have to add some clarity controls of what's the equipment that you're going to be using. I'm assuming you're going to be using either mini excavator or or track bobcats or something like that to to do most of this. But yeah, I
mean so so the and I believe the costicans are still, you know, we we need to get through permitting and then they'll choose a contractor. I know they were talking about they're in the process of choosing the contractor. I think on 37th. Um, but the normal
uh means of methods for the demo is a large excavator does the demo part. Um, then you'd bring in the sand and it would be one of two different things. Either that the excavator reaches out and uses the bucket to grade the sand or
you use a small Bobcat and that's going to be contractor specific. Um, so it may be something where it might be more appropriate to do a condition prior to start of work. We give you the means and methods on how it's going to be done. I did want to zoom in and point out that.
So here, if you look at this proposed 20, we're inches right here of sand, like literally inches. And then as we get into the whole of the of the where the building is, that's where now we're bringing elevation 19 here up to 20. So,
we're kind of flattening this area out, making it far more gentle. And then here, it's 18. We're bringing it to 19. So, it's a foot of material going in there. Um, and again, 18 to 19 here, but here we're meeting
19. 18 here. And here it's 18 already. So, we're we're basically meeting grade in places. And then where we have the hole from the the historic use, we're essentially filling in the hole. But it's it's a big wide area of sand, but
in a lot of places it's it's inches to a foot deep um just to kind of restore dune form. I I I think we understand what you're proposing, Tom. It's just putting eyes on this, you know, existing vegetation.
would we we went across the street, but we we didn't do anything on this line. Sure. So, yeah. I mean, so if you want to do a a sitewalk, we can certainly do that. Um, you know, we can we can get it marked out and we can we can meet you on site and maybe I can even have some
grade stakes placed. Um, so you you know that would show you, you know, in here where where the fill would be going to in a couple spots just to to give you an idea of how much fills involved. And when I say fill, I mean clean
compatible. Yeah. Yeah. An appropriate grain size. But yeah, no, I fully understand that. Okay. Uh, are there any other questions? Uh, Ally? Yeah, Tom. the work um to take down the boat house and then replace that sand,
which I I think will be great. Um will that be happening from the path to the beach or from the construction side of the home? Well, since we're already demoing in here, um I believe that the the best way to do
this and would be from within the fill area. Um because and let me let me go back. Uh so looking at we have kind of up to here where it's improved more or less as driveway. Um so it's possible we
might access in here but I think we're you know we're demoing this whole area and then we have sand here. So it makes the most sense to kind of demo this and go up in here. We can prune this back and with the excavator actually dig out
the the um beach plum and then reach over and get the building. Okay. Yeah. We're not going to want to block people walking to the beach, you know. Timing. Timing for the beach was my question. The timing of the project if you were going to access it from the path. Yeah.
Right. Yeah. I mean, Tom, where you're going to be changing the grades, it wherever the equipment lies, it's within the footprint of what you're changing grades, you're going to restore it anyway. So, yeah, I mean, that is true, Bob. But one of the things I like to do
when we're adding sand is work with the contractor to um minimize the the footprint where they're operating the equipment so that some of the sand can be veneered over the vegetation without trampling the vegetation with the machine because then it stimulates doom
growth. You know, it stimulates the vegetation growth and it maintains a healthier root system on the on the dune grass that gets buried. Um, okay. So, we will want to minimize the footprint of the equipment and again that's going to be working with the individual
contractors. Um, invasives, Tom, what do you have for invasives and is there anything to remove them? There's nothing there. I mean, there's there's your typical American beach brass. There's some some of the m typical minor components.
There's some poison ivy here and there. is um you know some beach pee and some other things that are all native dune plants. Um you know I know poison ivy is a native dune plant but I don't recommend planting it. So okay. Are there any other questions? Any
other members of the public have questions? Are there any members that have a question? Okay. Well, like I say, I I I want to I want to do a site visit. I I think it's a good project with all the filling and this
and that. It It's a little more unique than what we're used to and and just to get a visual of what existing vegetation uh is in place versus what's being proposed.
So, I unfortunately am jammed up all this week, but beginning of next week, next Monday or Tuesday, I don't know what everyone's schedule is or who actually wants to go on a go on a site with it. Diane, you're be there.
You bringing coffee for all of us? Sure. Just come on over. Tom likes jelly donuts with his coffee. Okay. All right. Not a big stretch for you, Diane. So, Mick and Mary, how uh one
uh certainly what what day works for you? And and then two, uh do you do you feel the need? Are you comfortable with the site already? [Music] Um yeah, I don't know. I I I would like to lay eyes on it. I don't know
depending on if other members need to. Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm going to request a site visit, Mick. It just Okay. Yeah. No, I I I would definitely go. Okay. Monday Monday, Tuesday early look pretty good. That works for me as well. Okay.
So, if we did Tuesday at 8:00 a.m., Tom, how does that work for your schedule? Is the coffee and the donut going to be at my house first so I can wake up? Um, well, yeah. No. No. Well, push. You're
pushing it, Tom. Yeah. No, I can I can make 8:00 out there. I generally prefer 8:30 or 9 so I can at least get in the office and put out a fire, but that's fine. I can get there. Yeah. Well, the rest of us are delaying going to work to Yeah. No, I hear you. 8:00 we can make 8
o'clock work. It Diane's time is more valuable than all of our time. I'll see you from my office window. Okay. So, why don't we do this uh why don't we schedule a sites walk and what is the date of next
uh next Tuesday? 13th. The 13th is it? Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, we'll schedule a sitewalk for the May 13th at 8 a.m. at the site. And Tom, I'm assuming you're going to request a continuence to our June 3rd
meeting. Not unless you want to approve it. And uh yeah, you want to approve it and then do the sitewalk. Um no, certainly we would request to continue to your next meeting and uh we'll do everything we can to get some stakes on the ground before the site visit. Um
Okay. And see you guys on site. Yeah. And and again, it it it just has to be reference. I'm not looking for it to be Yeah. I mean, worst case, I can pretty easily interpret the plan. I mean, you could actually you could spray it with paint, too, just as easy if you want. I prefer stakes. I really don't. I know I
know the paint does go away, but I'm not a fan of painting too much out in the dunes. Okay. Okay. Uh I will entertain a motion to continue this public hearing to June 3rd at the applicant's request.
So moved. Second. Okay. Woody and Diane. Diane. Okay. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ, hi. Yes, Mick. Hi, Diane. Yes. And Bob
Carters. Okay, guys. We'll see you on Tuesday. And um so Tom, I like like I say, I I the the weaknesses for me in your plan so far is a little more detail on the planting schedule. And uh I I think you need to
put in some bushes, too. need to put in some native shrubs. Yeah. Keeping in mind how exposed it is and maybe you'll see it during a site visit. We're certainly open to putting in shrubs, but on that on 337th there's more opportunity. On this site, it's a little
exposed. It would have to be to to be sure a shrub is going to be successful. It either is going to have to be a rose or it's going to have to be on the um the western side of the building to uh to get a little bit of shelter. But we can we can look at that. Tom, we know
with your expertise that whatever is planted, it'll be in the right spot and survive. All right, we'll see. All right. All right. Thank you. Thank you very much, guys. Yeah. Thank you. Thanks. Okay. Uh, next matter is a notice of
intent. It's D file number 0501450 65 Handover Street. applicant is submitting ANRAD to confirm or to confirm resource areas on the property. Mason, can you give us an overview where
this is at? Uh yeah, I I have yet to go out to the site. I figured that the commissioner want would want to go out there um so we could set a date. Um but just to give a little bit of background on where this is. Uh so the new new elementary school is right here. Um this is the parcel right here. Um and then
the train tracks right here. Um but the applicant Thor is here so I will um let him present if you would like to. Okay. Yeah, certainly. Just give us your name and your affiliation with the project. Sure. Uh Thor, a curly professional wetland scientist with the engineering
and survey office of Williams inspecting 65 Handover Street LLC. Uh Jesse Warren and Roger McCauley are the managers of the LLC. Um yeah, and tonight I'm I'm here to represent and present to you the um basically an ex existing conditions plan
of the property which details the wetland resource areas and areas subject to jurisdiction um by the commission and mass DP. Um I do you just want mute Thor. Sorry about that. I did want to say I do apologize. I have my uh fourmonth-old
strapped to my chest sleeping right now. Um we we've had some tricky sleeping situations the past four months. So my wife's asleep right now and I'm I'm been manning this. Um um so yeah, I can share my screen. Now, are you saying that the commission has
put your child to sleep? Is that I would never say that. You should be good to share. Okay. Um, I'm I'm really sorry. Excuse me for just He was dead asleep and then of course he wakes up at this very
moment. Well, you know what? While while Thor is uh attending to his his child, we we were talking earlier about on on these larger projects, especially these MBTA sites,
uh about peer review simply because of the complexity of them and and the limitations of all our time and and certainly Masons. Um, so discussion on peer review on this
project. I guess I would say that it might be worth doing a site visit first to determine I mean based on the contours it might be a very self-evident boundary here. um and that we could do a peer review
once the project is proposed, but maybe we don't necessarily need it or the the ANRAD portion of it. Just something to consider if it looks like it's a very straightforward boundary. Yeah. Though, while while you while you were pending to your child, we were discussing peer
review. Typically, uh there's another one of these MBTA site projects going on over in Central Street and we we have peer review on that for the ANRAG. We were just discussing that while we were waiting for your return. Sure. And
and terribly sorry about that. Um of course he was he was asleep and then once I started talking apologize. Uh but thank you for for being patient. I appreciate it. Um, so yeah, just, you know, I I don't have a lot to say tonight. You know, I don't want to bore the commission. I think
it's it's the kind of wetland, um, we should get out there and look at. Um, we're happy to to meet you out there and and go through what we looked at. U, I will note that that Bill Manuel delineated this wetland. Um, we took on the project from him um, to handle the engineering and we just ended up filing
the ANRAD. We did go out there and inspect the wetland line. Um, generally agreed with it. Appeared reasonable. Um, but yeah, I think to to Mary's point, um, there is a pretty clear slope along the wetland side of the property.
Um, you know, it is an old agricultural field, so you know, there are some some weird parts of it where you're looking mostly at the vegetation, which I I think is kind of makes it easier. Um, and where you where you see other indicators of hydrarology versus looking
at soil, where soil can kind of tricky sometimes. Um, so I think I think we'll, you know, I think after the site visit, the commission should hopefully feel comfortable with what we've done and what we've we've shown on the plan here. But certainly if if it comes to after that meeting that the commission's worried about it, you know, we can
certainly look at peer review. But I think the other two resource areas here are the bordering land subject to flooding. That's just tied to an elevation on the ground as you know. Um, and then the AC line also does come up onto the onto the westerly side of the project as well, which is also at an
elevation as well. Um, yeah. So, that's I mean, from my perspective, the way we handled 34 Central Street, I I think is the way to go there. Get peer review on site and then do a site inspection with peer review and try to do it all at one time.
I thought that peer review was because I I misunderstood. I thought that peer review was because Mason had a conflict, but it maybe Yeah. I mean, it's just these are multi-million dollar projects, Mary. And it and they're unusual for us. And
certainly, Mason, you've not filled out and read whatever conditions. Heidi had did the last one. So, yeah. So, I think consistency with peer review is the way to go in these complex projects, right? Did you want to try to set schedule a site visit for this after the home
island one or I what I what I would suggest is we do the Mason did you have a chance to talk to Heidi and see if she had the bandwidth for this one? Yeah, I had reached out uh she had requested that I send her over the ANRAD plan for her review um to I
think she wanted to kind of get an idea of how long the review would take and things like that. Um but I I do think she's willing to take it on so I plan on sending that to her tomorrow morning. Yeah, Mary, I would just say we should loop it all in. If we're going to do pair review, it it should start with pair review and we can do the sitewalk
and just as you did at Central Street, you'll you'll adjust flags as you you both see fit with with what's on the field. Quick question, Bob. Yeah. Yes, Woody. Do we know if they're going to utilize the MBTA zoning here or is this a going
to be some other type of project? Do we have any idea? Yeah, Thor, that's a good question. To be honest, I don't know. Um, and I'm not saying that just to be convenient. I I don't know the answer. Um, I know there's just loose conceptual plans at this point, but you know, I So,
I guess to your point, um, Mr. Chairman, I I I don't know if this will be that kind of project. Um, again, I don't know. And then also to your to further discuss the peerreview aspect of it. I don't know how big those other sites were. I don't know how complex they were. Um, you know, but I I do think um
we should at least I'll take a look at it first if the commission was planning to do a site visit. Um because I do think um I do think it's it's a fairly straightforward wetland line. Um aside from the soil aspect of it, but um whatever the commission's comfortable
with, we'll we'll accommodate. Thank you. Okay. Okay. So, why don't we open this up to discussion? Nick, what are your thoughts on this? Um, yeah, I'd be open to a site visit, Bob. I think really to kind of just get boots on the ground and get a better feel for it. Okay. Yeah. At this point, I don't have
any real questions on the project. All right. TJ, what what are your thoughts on this? Do a site visit and then decide on peer review or what you what you what's your thoughts on it? Whatever streamlines it the
most. I mean that probably just walk it and then determine. Okay. Whatever. Whatever. Yeah. Okay. What do you What are your thoughts? Let's say walk and determine at the a later date. Okay. And
Diane, what are your thoughts? I'll go with that as long as Mary will be attending. Yes. Mary's going to be doing a pair review in this one. you know, she raised I won't be able to tell. So, she raised her hand. Okay. Well, listen. I I'll go along with
that. Do we want to try to piggyback this on next Tuesday? Uh we at 8 o'clock at on Northern Boulevard or whatever that was 40. Yeah. 120. 120. Do what I try to do then. And anyone to
everyone else. Okay. I likely cannot do after that. But um like I said, I'm gonna I'm not the expert in this area anyway, so I won't be missed. Mary, does next Tuesday at like say nine o'clock or man,
I don't know if we're going to be We're not going to be, you know, we only have one donut at 120 Northern Boulevard. We should be by 8:30. 8:30. Yeah. Yeah. 8:45 at Annover Street. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And that
mean we should probably confirm with the applicant that either they or um Bill Emanuel, whoever is going to be representing the wetland line here forward is able to be present then too. Yeah. No, I just wanted to get a consensus amongst us and then Thor is on
the call. Yeah. Okay. So, we said 9:30. Well, we were we were talking quarter and nine and on the 13th on Tuesday the 13th. Yeah, that's fine. Okay. Will Who's going to Who will be present? Uh,
I'll be there. Okay. Did you want what? Did you want Bill there, Mary? No, not necessarily. Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, why don't we do this? Why don't we we'll we'll we'll schedule a site visit for
8:45 on May 13th at this location at 65 Handover Street. Okay. All right. Uh well, I guess Thor, you're going to request a continuence.
Yes. Uh we'd like to request a continuence to your next um scheduled public hearing, please. Okay. Okay. Uh I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing at the applicant's request to our June 3rd meeting as I recall is the is that
meeting moved? Second. Okay. All in favor? Mary? Yes. Don't we don't have another meeting in May? We we do. I I think the confusion is coming because for Tuplum Island Boulevard they had requested a continuence to the first meeting in June. Oh, you know what?
Okay. So, we have a May 20th. I'm excuse. Yes, May 20th. Okay. All right. Let me do this over again. I will entertain a motion to continue this public hearing to our May 20th uh
meeting date at the applicant's request. So, moved. Okay. Diane. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? Yes. TJ? Hi, Woody. Yes, Nick. Hi,
Diane. And Diane. Yes. Okay. And Bob Connor says yes. Okay. Thank you, though. We'll see you on Tuesday. All right. Thank you all so much. Yep. Okay. So, Mason, general project discussions or administration items?
Anything you want to share with? So the the second item that I had on the agenda uh that's moved at this point. Um that issue has been resolved. Um the only other thing is the open space questions. Um I am preparing to um answer the document that Christina Hoffman sent
over. Um but if anyone had anything they wanted to add. Um I' I'd be sure to include that as well. Can you send that around again, Mason? I don't think I put that in the Dropbox, Mason. I don't think I Yeah. You know what? If you can send that to me, I can
put it right in the Dropbox. This is the open space question, correct? Yep. Okay. Thank you. At the Council on Aging Forum, the number of 47% of all Newbury property is
restricted either non-taxable uh or wetlands or open space. Just sent that over to you, Bob. Okay, I'll uh I'll put that in the dropbox the minute we we conclude the meeting. Yeah. So
there you there does come a point in time where a community can have so much open space, but it still has to be able to pay its bills. and and until we can initiate a pilot program on some of our larger
uh nonprofits, you know, one of the things that always gripes me is Salsbury gets a quart million dollars from DCR for the Salsbury reservation annually for a p a pilot
payment and it's for about 600 acres. The refuge on the other hand has upwards I think 1,400 or or more acres and they sporadically give us like $60,000 every 18 months or 20 months and if we use the
DCR formula uh they should be paying substantially more and you know the town is facing upcoming cost of two high schools potentially frightening renovation and and then the wittier here. It's just, you know, at some point,
uh, pilot payments have to be addressed because it's just it's not sustainable. 87% of all our revenue is coming from residential houses. So, so with that, any any other questions before I entertain a motion to
adjurnn? Okay. Uh, is there a motion to adjurnn? So moved. Second, TJ. My god, you were you were on the Okay, roll call. Mary, TJ, Woody, Frank, Bob. Hi. Thank you everyone. We had a
little bit of a late one here. 8:51 is the We will see you all uh Tuesday. Yep. Looking forward to muffins or something. Yeah, I mean that anything. I think some kiche hot key. Diane Diane is quite the
the gourmet chef and baker. Take a take a egg, a muffin, anything. We'll see what we can do. We'll see what we can bring the be jelly. We'll have the We'll have a Mad Mouth's cater party. Thank Thanks everyone. Good night
everyone. Have a good night. Bye-bye.