All right. Good evening. My name is Bob Connors. It is now 6:03 p.m. I'd like to call the May 4th meeting of the Newbury Conservation uh Commission to order. Mason, can you please read the preamble to the remote meeting uh law and take a
roll call of the members present? As a preliminary matter, this is Mason Ferret, conservation agent of the Newbury Conservation Commission. Please permit permit me to confirm that all members are present and can hear me. Members, when I call your name, please respond in the affirmative.
Couple more guests joining a second. Uh Mary Rimmer, Dave Clifford, >> I David is here. David might be on mute, but I saw his uh >> Mick Brown, I think he's not here tonight. Harry Trout
>> here. >> Woody Knight, >> I think >> Woody, you're on mute if you're Yeah. Woody. Frank, >> uh Frank Wetenamp >> here. >> And Bob Connor. >> Yes.
>> Good evening. This open meeting of the New Conservation Commission is being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12th, 2020 due to the current state of emergency. In order to mitigate the transmission of the CO 19 virus, we've been advised and directed by the Commonwealth to suspend public gatherings. And as such, the governor's
order suspends the requirement of the open meeting law to have all meetings in a publicly accessible physical location. Ensuring public access does not ensure public participation unless such participation is required by law. This meeting will feature public comment. For this meeting, the Newbury Conservation
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Applicants or their representatives may be called upon to speak and or share information to the screen if able on the fly. We're now turning to the first item on the agenda, but before we do do so, permit me to cover some ground rules for effective and clear conduct. The chair will first introduce each speaker on the agenda. After they conclude their
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and state your name before speaking. Board and committee members should be called upon in a firstname alphabetical order to ease the process. After board and committee members have spoken, the chair will afford public comment as follows. The chair will first seek questions through the chat function. When participants are using this function, please list your name,
address, and then your question. The chair will then seek questions from the public who wish to speak. They'll be asked to identify their name, address, questions, and once the chair has a list of all public commentators, they'll call on each by name and afford three minutes for any comments. Finally, each vote taken in this meeting will be conducted by roll call vote. >> Okay. Yeah, thank you, Mason. Upcoming
meeting dates. We have our next schedule meeting is June 2nd, 2026. Uh there is a strong likelihood that we may be scheduling a second meeting for the month of May. We we have a couple of applicants tonight that uh do not have D
file numbers and so we're not going to be able to do much with those and to accommodate them uh we may be scheduling a meeting towards uh the end of the month probably pri just prior to Memorial Day. So, first order of
business, meeting minutes review March 3rd, 2026. Why don't we take a moment, want to re review those or comments, uh, concerns or corrections. Okay. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to approve the March 3rd meeting
minutes as written. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Woody, >> yes. >> Harry, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> David, >> yes.
>> And Bob Connors. Okay. Next matter is meeting minutes review for April 7th, 2026. Again, why don't we take a moment review those for any comments, concerns, or corrections? Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to approve the April 7th, 2026 meeting
minutes as written. So moved. >> Second. >> All right. Roll call. All in favor? Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes. >> And Bob Connors votes? Yes.
Okay. Uh, extension request. D file number 0501339 75 Boston Road. The applicant is requesting an extension of the permit set to expire in the summer of 2026. Uh Mason, uh I'm assuming they're
looking for a three-year extension. >> Yes, I believe so. This is a town project. Uh the project manager on this before was Sam Cuda. Um I believe they've had some turnover. Um so I'm not sure if someone else is here to represent tonight. Um but I did reach
out um to the office to to let them know that they were on the agenda for tonight's experience. >> Okay. Is this the solar array down at the town dump site? Yes, it is. >> Okay. Marina, are you are you representing on this? >> Yes, Mr. Chairman. Um, we are requesting
a three-year extension. >> What What is the date of expiration that we're operating short-handed because Mason's in his caring because of no power in Bfield or town hall. So, >> I heard I heard. Okay.
>> Good job, Mason. Um, so the permit was issued July 6 of 2021. It was good through July 6 of 2020 uh4, but then we have the Mass Leads Acts as
well. So that brings us to July 6 of 2026. And um, we're requesting a three-year extension. Now, apparently the work hadn't has not started because there was some issues with the solar tax credits.
Um, >> yeah. >> So, >> is there a particular day in So, you're you're making a request that this matter be extended to July what day of July? >> Um, July 6 of 2029.
>> Okay. Okay. Questions from the members. uh this is they're entitled our you know our our practice and our policy has been matching the wetland bylaw of Plum Island which is an automatic extension
upon request. Uh so any questions from the members on this? Any raised hands from the public at this time? Okay. Hey, I will entertain a motion to issue an extension for 75 Boston Road uh
dated to expiring July 6, 2029. >> So moved. >> Second. >> We have Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes.
>> And Bob Connors. Thank you, Maren. >> Thank you. >> Okay. We have a certificate of compliance, DP file number 050, 14006 Courtney Drive. The applicant is looking to close out an order of conditions issued for the addition to a
house within the buffer zone and for after the fact approval of landscape alterations. Uh Mason, can you provide an overview and a recommendation? >> Uh yeah, so the the applicant and their representative are still gathering some additional information, so this will not
be discussed tonight. and they're looking to pick up discussion at the following meeting. >> Okay. As this isn't a public hearing, it doesn't require a motion to continue. Mason, we'll just put this on the agenda of our next schedule meeting. >> Yep. >> Okay. Next matter. A certificate of
compliance for D file number 05014153 Main Street. The applicant seeks to close out an order of conditions for the construction of a new house uh within the buffer zone. Mason, can you provide an overview and a recommendation on this matter? >> Yep. Uh I was able to do the sitewalk
today. Um they also submitted an asbuilt plan and an asbuilt letter that identifies uh some of the changes um between the approved plan and the existing conditions. Now, um I believe that is in the folder and off the top of my head. Um the only big differences I
saw were uh additional pavement where uh gravel was proposed. Um so you can see that on the as built letter and plan. Um and besides that I saw no other significant changes um while I was on site. I think the other ones mentioned in the letter are regarding erosion
controls and the placement of erosion controls. Um so I didn't I don't see any issues with those. Um I think the board should should ask or or discuss the additional pavement and besides that I have no other comments. >> Okay. Is the applicant on the call?
Yes, I'm here. >> Yeah. Hi. Give us your name and address, Joe, and and just walk us through where you're at and explain the hot tub situation. Just primarily the rationale and what how
much extra hot top went in. >> Yes. My name is Joseph Brennan. three main street by field and the uh area which which we did was just because the gravel didn't it was a a bit of a a pitch to the gravel so we were afraid
might move so we wanted to just pave it to secure it >> okay what would you estimate the pavement square footage was versus what the gravel square footage was >> I don't have those numbers Paul Marando
is on the line he Okay, Paul, just give us your name and your position on this project. And if you have I mean, Joe, is it 20 ft of pavement you've added the width of the driveway or >> it? Yeah, I would say it's about 20.
>> Okay. Okay. Uh, questions from the members. Any questions from the members? Woody, any questions for Joe? >> No, I don't have any questions. Thank you, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Any questions uh
on this matter? >> Uh not at this time, Bob. >> Thank you, Frank. Harry, Frank, any questions? >> Uh no, Bob. >> David, any questions? >> No, sir. >> And I don't have any questions. Are there any raised hands in the public at
this time? >> Seeing none. >> Okay. Mason, do do you have any extraordinary concern? Obviously pavement on Plum Island would be a little bit different than pavement and and biffield.
>> Yeah, with um with it already being proposed as gravel, I think the impacts were already accounted for. Um so and with this being a single family house that doesn't trigger storm water, um I don't I don't see any major issues. >> Okay.
>> All right. Do any members have a request for a site visit or additional information? No. >> Okay. >> I will I'm sorry. Did was there anyone that's in? Okay. All right. I will entertain a motion to issue a certificate of
compliance for three Main Street. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes. >> And Bob Connor. All right. Thank you,
Joseph. Thank you. >> Okay. Next matter is a request for a determination of applicability. Uh 10 Old Point Road. The applicant is submitting an RDA for the installation of a shed on Plum Island. Mason, can you provide an overview and a recommendation
on this matter? >> Yep. Uh again, I don't have the file in front of me, so I not 100% sure on the size, but I believe it's an 8 by8 shed um going on Old Point Road. Um, we had an RDA come into us earlier this year or
maybe it was last year um for the reconstruction of their patio area. Um, so I that I don't see any issues with the 8 by8 shed. My recommendation would that be that um it get elevated somehow. Um so I think we've permitted this with concrete blocks in the past and having
it um you know above base grade. Um outside of that, I think they have a a small room. Um if the uh commission were to inquire about mitigation planting as well, um there's definitely area on site where um I could coordinate with them after approval uh
to get some native plants in there. >> Okay. And the in the location, if as you recall, the location where the shed's going, is it heavily vegetated now or is it sparse? >> Um I it may even be lawn. I was able to to briefly check it out today, but I I
think the homeowner is on and she may may be able to um >> Sheayla, is this is this your where you live, Sheila? >> Yes. Yes, it's Hi. >> Yeah, Sheila, just give us your name and address and then if we have a couple of questions, it'd be great if you could answer them. >> You bet. Um Sheila Christensen, 10 Old
Point Road. Just wanting to put the patio the shed. It's an 8 by8 eastern shed. Um it's level ground. there are no plantings around it. Um I was going with the level ground. I was wanting to know the best
way what the recommendations were to accommodate the I know water is a concern sometimes underneath and I thought cinder blocks or stone whatever. I just wanted some um advisement on what how how to do the installation piece.
>> Yeah. In the past, and correct me if I'm wrong, Mason, we we've just recommended an 8 by 8 by6 cement block, cinder block. >> Yep. >> And it just keeps you up off the ground so that it's still pvious surface
underneath. Uh I think the the only thing is what's there for vegetation now, Sheiler? Do you have grass? >> Just grass. Just grass. >> Like lawn type mow grass or beach grass? um lawn type grass. >> Okay.
>> It's just a fenced in yard area and um I just wanted to make sure I I'm luckily it is level where I want to put it and >> right >> Eastern shed checked it out but I I have the cinder blocks ready to roll and um it' be nice to get my bike out of my
house shed. >> All right. Uh questions from the members. Woody, any questions on this? I think you all just covered it. Um, if it's on a lawn area and it's on blocks, it sounds good to me.
>> Okay. Thank you, Woody. Harry, how about you? Any questions on this one? >> No. >> Frank, how about yourself? >> No questions, Bob. Thank you, >> David. Any questions on this project? >> No questions at all. >> All right. I don't have any. Mason, are
there any raised hands from the public at this time? >> Uh, seeing none. >> Okay. Do any members have a request for a site visit or additional information? Okay, hearing none, I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding for
10 Old Point Road. Um, >> so moved. >> Second. >> Okay. So, Sheila, what to do is when you start construction, why don't you talk to Mason? Mhm.
>> Typically, if you're you're displacing some vegetation, we ask that you put it in another spot. So, it's a it's not a we don't have a loss of vegetation in the yard, but think you can handle that with Mason in the field. >> Yes. And there won't be any that it's
that won't be a problem. But I thank you and my >> Well, we still we still have to vote on it, but >> Oh, I'm an eager beaver wanting to get >> that. How big a bicycle is in your house that you're this motivated to get it out
of? >> Definitely. Yeah, it's been a while. >> Yeah, the 1200cc Harley as I recall. All right, roll call vote. All in favor? Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes.
>> And Bob Connor is just Thank you, Sheila. >> Thank you. One quick question. Um, is there a wait period? Can I call Eastern Shed and um tell them that the town um approved? Is there is there a waiting? Is this done deal or
>> It it it's done from our standpoint, but uh Mason, why don't you just chime in because it does have to go to D and I think they have 10 days. >> Yeah, there's a there's a 10 business day appeal period. Um but that being said, I I think you could at least start to mobilize everything. I wouldn't
expect an appeal for a a project this simple. Great. Thank you. >> Okay. All right. Thank you, Sheila. All right. Next matter is a request for determination of applicability. 127 Northern Boulevard. The applicant is submitting an RDA for the construction
of a deck and replacement of an existing stairway. Mason, can you give us an overview and your recommendation on this matter? >> Yep. Yeah. So, this is an existing uh kind of like a landing space now with a a staircase going out of the back of the
house. Um, this is not on the primary dune. This is on the other side of the street. Um, but yeah, looking to Sorry, I don't have my folder on me, but I believe it's the replacement of the landing um in the it the area's already
been impacted and disturbed and they're changing the use um from a flat kind of patio area to to a deck. So in the folder they have the proposed plans with where they would install the helical piles I believe. >> Yeah. >> No, I'm looking at it right now. It's uh
it's specific with measurements uh in locations. So one quick question. What's the elevation? How far above grade uh is this deck? Is this three or four feet above grade or a couple of feet above grade?
>> Yes, it is. I may have some photos. Yeah, I mean I it I'm just more curious showing five steps going up. So that's probably closer to 30 in. >> Let me see if I can good picture.
>> All right. All right. Questions from the members. Woody, any any questions on this request? >> No. Um, the only clarification I have is, uh, it's a patio area now, so the deck's just going above it, Mason.
>> Yeah, I'll be able to pull it up one second. It's a, uh, it's just kind of like a landing and a staircase that goes down to an area where they already have pavers there. >> Are they removing the pavers? >> I believe so. >> Okay.
This is very impressive. You're working the showing us pictures from your car here. Well, allegedly showing us pictures from the front seat of your car. Uh, I will have something to share in one second.
>> All right, let me know. Can you guys see this right here? >> Uh, it looks like you're getting ready. Yeah, there we go. Okay. Is the applicant on the call? Uh, I believe either the homeowner or the builder is on. Someone should be on.
>> The homeowner is The homeowner is on the call. >> Great. Give us just give us your name and address. And we have a couple of quick questions for you. >> Jim Mitchell, 127 Northern Boulevard. >> Okay, Jim, welcome. So, Jim, looking at
the plan, thank you. You've put everything on it that we gives us clarity of what you're what you're looking to do. I guess the only question is are you are you leaving the existing pavers? It's your right to do that or are you removing them?
>> The plan is to remove the paver the pavers. >> Okay. All right. Uh Woody, any other questions? >> No, I understand got a better understanding of it now. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Woody. Harry, any any
questions for for the Mitchells? >> Uh, no. No questions at this time, Bob. >> Thank you, Harry. Frank, any questions for the Mitchells? >> No, Bob. Thank you. >> Thank you, Frank. David, how about yourself? >> No, Bob. >> Thank you, David. And I have no
questions. Are there any raised hands from the public at this time? >> Seeing none. >> Okay. Do any members have a request for a site visit or additional information? Nope. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to issue
a negative finding uh for 127 Northern Boulevard. >> So moved. >> Do you have a second? >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David?
>> Yes. >> And Bob Connors. All right. Thank you. >> All right. So that means we can go ahead and and have Steve Lowry start when he's >> you get a 10day waiting period if you heard it at >> 10day. Yeah.
>> It's 10 business days. So Mason will will draw up this these documents certainly when town hall has power again. Hopefully that's tomorrow. Uh and then it gets submitted to D and they have 10 business days to to appeal it or
intervene. >> Okay. Typically, it's not the case, but I I just wait the 10 days to be honest with you. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much. >> Okay. Next matter is request for determination of
applicability. 12 plumb downs. The applicant is submitting an RDA for the construction of a back deck on an existing dwelling. Mason, can you provide an overview and a recommendation on this matter?
>> Yep. Uh so this is on plumb bush downs on the back side of the house. Um the deck is anchored to the existing structure. Um so it's all tied into the H or I beams that they have now. Um there's no uh concrete sonar tubes or
helical piles. Um but for this deck extension, I I don't have the square footage off the top of my head. Um but he is proposing helical piles as well. Um and then this is all in buffer zone to the salt marsh. >> Okay. any displacement of existing
vegetation that they're going to have to replicate. >> Uh I have some photos that I'm trying to pull up now and I believe it's uh lawn for the most part. >> Okay. All right. Uh questions from the members. Woody, any questions on this
one? >> No questions at the moment, Bob. Thanks. >> Okay. Thank you, Woody. Harry, how about you? Any questions? >> Uh no, not at this time, Bob. Thank you, Harry. Frank, how about yourself? Any questions? >> No, no questions, Bob.
>> Thank you, Frank. David, any questions? >> No, Bob. >> And I have no questions. Um, are there any raised hands from the public at this time? >> Uh, seeing none. Sorry. >> Okay. Do any members have requests for a
site visit or additional information? >> No. >> All right. I'll entertain a motion to issue a negative finding for 30, excuse me, for 12 plumb bush downs. >> So moved. >> Second.
>> Okay. Harry. Woody. Roll call. All in favor? Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? David, >> he's muted. >> Okay. Yeah. Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you, David. And Bob Con is vot. >> All right. Okay. Next order of business is it's a new public hearing. This does not have a D file number as of yet. It's 23 Downfall Road. The applicant is
submitting an ANRAD to confirm the delineated wetlands on this property. Mason, can you give us an overview on this one and where we stand? >> Yep. Uh, so this is an undeveloped lot off of Downfall Road. I was able to go out and look at the delineation today.
Um, it was pretty straightforward for the most part. I think it's only about 20 flags or so. Um, out of the 20, there was about three of them. I think off the top of my head it was wetland flags A9 to A12 um that could have been moved
upland probably about 10 feet. Uh I was able to probe and check soils to confirm um and we also had a little bit of skunk cabbage just upland um of that wetland line um which is indicative of you know hydraulic soils. Um, so I I think that,
you know, it would be um good to approve if the applicant were to um accept the amendments to the ANRAD or if it's something um that they you know wish to discuss out in the field or review further. Um I think that would be fine as well.
>> Okay. Is the applicant here? We can't take any final action obviously tonight because we don't have a file number. Uh is the applicant present and want to add comments? Um, not seeing
not seeing, but if if they're here, feel free to speak up. >> They might be involved in the power outage as well, I guess. Right. >> Yeah, that's true. They are. They are right there. >> Okay. All right. Well, we can't take any final action. Why don't we do this? Uh,
I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing uh to June 2nd, 2026. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? >> Woody?
>> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> And Bob Connors. All right. So, this is continued to 202 >> six. two. >> All right,
>> Bob, before we go to the uh the next meeting item, we have one more RDA uh that was on an amended agenda that was posted. I'm not Apologies if that didn't get to you. >> Uh you know what? It it didn't. Well, why don't you do this, Mason? Why don't you
>> uh why don't you read the citation and I'll just handle the or I don't have that. It wasn't on the agenda. I had pulled off the site. >> Yeah. So, they had submitted everything on time. This is an RDA for 31 Northern Boulevard and the applicant is submitting an RDA for the reduction and
reconstruction of an existing deck. Um, so there's a deck that's there now attached to the house. Um, I believe it has concrete sonar tubes that are existing. Um, but they are proposing um to deconstruct the deck and reconstruct in a smaller footprint.
>> Okay. And presently the sona tubes have been removed. Helica coil would be or diamond pairs would be used. >> Yes, I believe so. And we can confirm with the builder he is here. >> Okay.
Tom, I is this you. >> Tom, you're on mute. There you go. >> Yeah. Okay. There we go. Yes, it's me. And uh uh if you have some questions, I know >> I will entertain a motion to continue. >> Well, everyone's on different phone.
Everyone has different meetings going on apparently. So Tom, your your your plan is to remove what's there. You're building replacing it in a smaller footprint. >> Correct. >> And you'll be on either helical or diamond pairs when you're done. >> Be helical piles.
>> Okay. >> Two courses of helical piles. Um it's only a 7 and 12 by 22 foot long deck. Uh, pretty standard. >> Okay. Uh, questions from the members.
Any questions for Tom? Actually, why don't you just give us your name and the address for the record? >> Yeah, it's a You want the address of the uh job? >> Yeah, just identify yourself uh and the the address of the job.
>> Yeah, it's Thomas Gorinflow and I'm the builder for 31 Northern Boulevard. Okay. All right. Questions from the members. Uh, Woody, any questions for Tom on this deck reduction?
>> No. Uh, sounds pretty straightforward. Thank you, Bob. >> Okay, Harry, any any questions for Tom on this? Uh, >> no questions right now, Bob. Thank you. >> All right. Thank you, Harry. Frank, how about yourself? Any questions for Tom, on this? >> No, no questions, Bob.
Okay, David, any questions? >> No, Bob. >> Thank you, David. And I have no questions. Any raised hands from the public at this time? >> Seeing none. >> Okay. Any members have a request for a site visit or additional information?
Okay. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to issue a negative finding on 31 Northern Boulevard. >> So move. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Woody, >> yes. >> Harry, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes.
>> David, >> yes. >> And Bob Connor is vote. Yes. Okay. Thank you, Tom. >> All right. Thank you much. Good night. >> All right. >> Okay. Next matter is a new public hearing. It's a DP.
Oh, okay. Excuse me. This is where I was when we overlooked the RDA. >> Yes. >> All right. So, we have a new public hearing. D file number is not available. 23 Downfall Road applicants submitting an ANRAD to confirm the delineated
wetlands on the property. So, Mason, where are we at on this one? >> Uh, yes, for 23 downfall. This is the one um that I had some recommendations for some flag amendments. Um, and I think we're going to see if the applicant is here.
>> Okay. Yeah. If the applicants here, if you could just give us your name and address. It just make sure you're not on mute if you if you were here. Apologize. We don't have your name. Okay. Uh
we'll do this again. Do the applicant's not here. They don't have a file number. So, the matter needs to be continued. Uh, I'll entertain a motion to continue the public hearing to our June 2nd, 2026 meeting. >> So moved. >> Second.
>> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes. >> And Bob Connor's votes? Yes. All right. Okay. Next matter is a uh new public
hearing for a DP file number 0501462 177 Middle Road. The applicant is submitting a notice of intent to construct a new single family home uh in associated work within the buffer zone. >> Can you give us a an overview and a
recommendation on this matter? >> Yep. Uh so this is um an undeveloped lot right now. They have an old gravel road that's running through it. Um, and they're proposing the construction of a new house. Um, as well as the installation of a septic system. Uh, I
was able to go out to the site today. There's three different wetland areas that were marked. Um, and I was able to review them. Um, I wasn't able to take soils, but a lot of them are pretty self-explanatory based off of topography um, and the existing conditions out
there. Uh that being said, um I know it's normal course of action for the commission to schedule a sitewalk for new notices. Um so that would be my recommendation. Um and besides that, I think Bill is here um to present and answer any questions.
>> Okay. If you could give us your name and address and then make your presentation, that'd be great. >> Yeah. Uh William Holt from 83 West Main Street in Marram. I'm representing the applicant as the engineer uh who designed the plans. Can I share my screen? Would that be
>> certainly >> uh just give me one second. >> Oh, sorry. >> Bill, did that ever happen to you where you lost power at town hall when you were our conservation agent? >> Yeah, we we had that happen a couple times.
Actually, Zoom went out one time. I think I don't power the Zoom itself out. The internet was a problem. You should be able to share now, Bill. >> Great. Thank you. Now, let me see if I can call it up. >> Yep.
>> Sorry. >> Can you see that? Uh, not not yet. >> Wait a minute. >> You see that? >> You see that screen? >> Yep. >> Yes, we can. >> Great. Thanks.
So, this is the plan. It's a little small. I'll make it a little bigger. A second. Figure out how. Sorry. Been a while. I make this. So, I'm going to make it a little bigger so we can kind of walk through the property.
>> So, Bill, we're not seeing your plan. We're just seeing the drop-own table of your PDFs. >> Okay. Hold on a second. right here. This >> Yeah. Yeah. That's all we're saying,
Bill. We're not seeing the actual file. >> How about that? >> No, it's still just the >> Okay, there we go. Bingo. >> That's what we have. >> Yeah. Could you zoom in on that a little bit?
>> Yep. So, I'm going to start up the Well, actually, let me let me just give you a overall first. >> Okay, >> you can see the whole property. It's about 9 acres total property. Um, this is 177 over here, 177 Middle Road. Um,
Bill Varia um owns that property. He owns the whole property actually. Um, Chris Clifford is my client. He's purchasing about three acres of the property in uh this area here and um so his frontage is up here on
upper part of the property upper part of the plan where middle road that's is 125 ft of frontage there's an existing woods road an old rightway whoops right away that comes down through the property and actually goes on to the property and out to Newport turnpike um at one point it
was an old Okay. Um, and it's actually on it's on one of the old plans for the for the property. Um, so he's going to access that same driveway, that same access u Olds Road um, for the most part to get access to
the buildable portion of the property. So, this is a little bit closer view of of where it's going to access. So, middle road is right here, edge of the pavement. Um, there's a live stone post
wall located here. The applicants supposed to build a similar post on this side of the driveway. So, highlight the driveway is um this is existing gravel road. in the driveway. It's going to basically regrade it slowly, slightly about four or six inches of grading to kind of fill in the little little uh
puddles and level it off a little better to drive through. You can see the grades that 288 286. It's only a couple tents this side of the roadway, the driveway, but at least it's leveled off a little bit. It's
slightly sloping uh down and then up again through this area. You see the wetlands A series is here. The C series is on this side of of the driveway. So this uses existing drive
>> and then we kind of follow the existing path rightway goes through here. Not much grading through this area. Just kind of follow the existing grades. Um then right here you'll see a existing path that goes off to the varia property where he has he uses his access to get
to where he has um logging operation where he brings logs in and cuts them up and sells them with firewood. That's worth he does on this on his property. So right about here we're gonna start grinding the driveway up a
little bit. There's a little bit of a glow spot right in this area. It's like an old um like an old silver mine or some kind of a excavation where they took gravel or something out of out of the off the land. There's a hole right here that we actually tried to perk it there, but it didn't work very well. So,
we're going to fill that in right up to the up to the house. The house is going to be located here. There's the 100 foot buffer zones right through there and then on this side through here. So the house itself driveway up in this area will be will be um out of the buffer
zone. Um and so you can see the proposed house located here. Four bedroomedroom garage, a new driveway. Turn around so we can get into his garage. And then it just keep this this existing driveway in
place so it gets back to the property um property lines right through here. And then the septic system the only place we can we'd find a place to per way in the back. We actually dug about 15 holes. There's one here. There's one.
We pocketed the whole area. Just dug holes until we could most of these were less than five foot deep ledge. So we didn't get any depth. Therefore, we couldn't put we couldn't place a system there. We ended up finding a spot near the back that was on the side of a hill on top of
a little bit of an hole and that would be able to get depth and be able to locate the system here. So, the tank will come out and we gravity the whole way down to this area. A little bit of grading in the buffer zone through here for the um
to keep the gray above the pipes and keep them covered. Um little systems located here. We have uh erosion control the limit of work the whole entire project. Um the closest point the septic
system is 57 ft to flag B17. Um and then on this side closest one is at B26 where the septically 73 ft 53 is title five and P requirement. So we meet title five and D
requirements for the location of the septic. Um and for the roof itself we have a roof runoff we're proposing and for the house infiltration of the roof runoff just uh city clean water by DP so it flows
directly in and then we have a little trench um along the side stone trench along the side of the driveway downhill side. So any water that comes down go into the trench and be treated and infiltrated. We have details for those on the
trench for the driveway at the infiltration system. Put a roof on and resize those >> DB requirements. >> Uh so that's basically the plan. It's not it's mostly all it's all buffalo work. There's no disturbance of any of the wetland line wetlands was identified
by Mark West. hired him to to fly to one B series here that starts mid middle of the um property. It's like a little um peak here goes back the other way but that was pulling off the property. So we
didn't fly that direction just down towards turnpike and then a small depression over here the D series that he identified offsite that we located just to get the buffer zone to that. Bill Peno, where's your erosion control?
I'm sorry if I missed. >> Um, >> erosion control is this dash line right here. It's labeled proposed TEC. >> Okay. >> Almost 1,000 ft of 12 in raw water we're calling for. So, it's this dark line. >> Gotcha. >> Is at the edge of all the degrading
going all the way to the front. >> Where is the 50ft buffer in relation to the house? >> Uh, here's the house. Oops. Sorry. There's the house. The 50 foot buffer is this red line right here. >> I don't know.
>> Okay. And where what's where's your status at the board of health bill? Is the system been approved or was that still pending? >> Um she has it now. She's reviewing it. Um has not been approved yet. Um I didn't get a chance to talk with her today, but I know she has it and is
revealing it. Um >> all right, Bill, why don't I stop you there and open this up to questions from the members. >> Yeah, no problem. Okay. Thank you, Bill. Want >> me to leave it on or stop sharing? Stop. >> Yeah. No. Yeah. Leave it on for now. I guess
Woody, any any questions for for Bill on this matter? >> Site visit's going to be in order anyway. M Woody, I think. But >> yeah. No, I don't have any questions and I anticipated a site visit. So, no, I'm good for now.
>> Okay. Uh Harry, any questions? No, not at this time, Bob. >> Thank you, Harry. Frank, how about yourself? Any questions? >> Uh, no questions right now, Bob. >> Okay, David, any questions? >> No, I did have a question about the uh
the not the trench detail, but the servicing of it, but that's actually captured here on the drawing. So, no, I don't have any I don't have any questions. >> Okay. Thank you, David. I don't have any questions. Uh, Bill, we're gonna before we ra check for raised hands from the
public, we're gonna we're gonna schedule a site visit on this. >> Yep. >> For the obvious reason. Um, so all right. Are there any raised hands from the public at this time that have questions? >> I have a question. >> Hi. >> Yes, I have a I have a question. >> Okay. Just give us your name and your
address. >> My name is Patty and uh I live at 216 Newber Turnpike. our property is if you look at this map on the right side. Um so our only question is I know you spoke
briefly on runoff but we're within the house is being built 220 ft from our property line and if you're within 100 ft of wetlands um we're just concerned about where the runoff is going to go. you're going to
have a roof, you'll have a driveway. So, we're just concerned that runoff will end up in on our property and just curious how that will be addressed. >> Yeah. Phil, why don't you you why don't you repeat what you were talking about
with the infiltrators and roof runoff drains. >> Yep. Okay. So, so the roof the roof runoff is going to go into a into a My internet connection is unstable. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. >> The roof rack is going to go into a down
spout and go into a a underground storage uh chambers. They're plastic chambers and it's surrounded by stone and that's designed to infiltrate um a good amount of the rain all for the lower storms which get ups.
>> Okay, I kind of lost you there. Um, >> yeah, Bill, you're >> whatever reason. Bill, >> you're working because they're changing the link. >> Is this Is this for >> Go ahead, Ben.
>> Is this for all the wet Is it for the wetlands, the roof, and the driveway? Is is is this system built to, you know, absorb all of that? Well, it's a it's a single family lot,
so it's not required to have storm water necessarily, but because we're proactive does have some infiltration for the what's considered the most critical runoff, which is the off the driveway and off the uh impervious areas, which is where you get your most increase
from. So, that's why we designed two two types of systems to decrease that amount of runoff. But be honest with you, none of this is coming your way. All this runoff is coming from this area down this way, down that way, down this way.
There's a valley in here. >> That was our >> ridge that goes kind of along the driveway. So, we're not doing anything on the other side of the driveway than a little bit of grading. We have a well we're proposing to put in right oops, sorry. right in this location just
to the left of the well just to the left of the house the well here and that could go in a different location it can go down further it can go up here further depending on >> so Patty I think your question's been answered that there's no runoff going in your direction because >> okay
>> yeah that that was our only concern >> yeah any anything else Patty >> um I was just a little confused about what he was speaking about towards the turnpike um you were mentioning something over by um >> one
>> Route One and I didn't understand what that was about. >> Yeah. So, this is your lot right here that I'm looking at right in this area with legs. >> Yes. >> And this is there's a little tiny depression right here. Right off the It's on your property actually. >> Right.
>> Oh, yeah. Where the covert is, >> it's I think your driveway is right about here somewhere and to left of your driveway. Um property line's right here. So, but because it's within 100 ft, our botness put four flags there and said, you know, measure 100 ft from these four
flags because that will be the buffer zone to the not a very big wetland. I don't know if they have inland outlets, probably just a little depression that was trapped by the highway and the driveway and all that. So, it's it's it's very small. I mean, I don't know if it's even jurisdictional, but we just flagged it. He showed us that where the
100 feet was. >> Um, so that's why we, >> you know, it's there, so we identified it. Um, but it's about a lot. Then this is the major wetlands down to here on on >> client's property. >> All right, great. Anything else, Patty?
>> All set. Thank you very much for uh answering our questions. >> Thank you, Mason. Are there any other any other >> raised hands from the public at this point? >> Uh, seeing none.
>> Okay. If you have an interest in this property, make sure you're unmuted and just give us your name and address. Otherwise, we're going to be moving on. All right. This usually around this time is do any members have a request for a site visit or additional information
plan amendment uh to this notice of intent? Uh I think a site visit would be in order. I think it would be prudent just to go out and bill I think Bill your your presentation was excellent. Thank you. Uh so what's that pleasure? We in
agreement on a site. >> Um for the sidewalk once you determine a date u >> okay well with determining whether I I've made the suggestion bill. Let's see what the other members think.
>> Yeah. I'd like to do a site visit. >> Okay. >> Yeah. That would be helpful. >> All right. Uh, typically how's next Tuesday at 8:00 sound to everybody? >> Sounds good.
>> Okay. Oh, Mary. Mary. >> Hi. Sorry. >> Yes, that that sounds great to me. >> Okay. >> At night or 8 o'clock in the morning. Sorry. >> In the morning, I assume. >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. So, we're going to
schedule a site visit for 8:00 a.m. on next Tuesday, which is what's the date on that? >> The 12th. >> So, it'll be 512 26. Okay. And and Bill, at this time, um, you're going to request the continuence
to our next meeting. >> Yes, please. We ask continuence till next meeting >> and we'll see you at the sidewalk. I'll make sure I have the uh house staked and the septic staked so you can see where those are going to go. >> That would be great. Okay. Uh I will
entertain a motion to continue the public hearing at the applicant's request to our June 2nd, 2026 meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. >> All right. Uh roll call. All in favor? Mary?
>> Yes. >> Uh Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? Yes, >> David. >> Yes. >> And Bob Connors. Thank you, Bill. >> Okay,
>> Mason, you mentioned that the gentleman from 23 high downfall was on the call. He did. >> Yes, I believe so. >> Ben Osgood has been Ben, if you unmute, we >> we called your matter.
uh and you don't have a D file number, so there's really no final action we can do, >> right? >> And we've continued it uh to our June 2nd meeting. Just so you're not waiting. >> Okay. No, I appreciate that. I apologize. I I thought the agenda was
said 7:05, so I um thought it wouldn't be till 7:05, but no problem at all. >> I didn't expect I didn't expect that you would do anything. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, they we we can't entertain final action anyway. So, >> right, >> I think uh
>> hopefully we'll get that get the file number and why don't you talk to Mason? I don't know if you have or not uh offline. There was some information that he was going to recommend be added to the ENRAD. So, >> okay, I will talk to him. Thank you.
>> Okay, thank you. So, next matter is D file number 0501463 75 Pearson Drive. The applicant is submitting a notice of intent for an on-site septic system replacement for an existing single family dwelling. Mason,
can you give us uh an overview on this one? >> Yep. Uh so, I was able to go out to the site today, confirm the delineation that was on site that was already flagged. Um this is kind of going in a pocket of the yard. There's not a lot of room um for this to go. So, it looks like they
perked uh just beyond where their existing above ground pool is. Um and I I don't see any issues with that. >> Okay. Uh questions. Who's the applicant on this? >> Uh Bill is the applicant again on this
one. >> Okay. Bill, where are you at on the board of health on this one? Are you still Was that >> That one has been filed as well. Again, I believe it's been approved, but I have to double check with um with um Deb. Um >> Okay.
>> But I I I have a plan if you want otherwise I can just >> Yeah, why don't you uh why don't you show us the plan? I don't think that would >> Yeah, that be helpful and I'll open this up to questions to the members. >> Can you see that plan? Yes, we can
though. If you could just zoom in on that a little bit, it might be >> might be a little easier. There we go. >> So, this is the street down the front here. Person Pearson Drive on the left hand side of the plan. The existing
driveway is the existing house um and pool as um Mason mentioned and decked line is um along here and then comes around the back. It's a big trapezoid
essentially to the front. Um we uh chose we looked at the front out front here. Um you can see the buffer the wetlands line um traverses from the back. Flag one. The pro this is a wall stone wall in the back and it comes along here and
then comes off the site a little off the site a little bit and then back onto the site or off edge of the site and then still off the site over here. And then we stopped here because we um the old system is in the back. The tanks here and the old leech pits in this area right here. Um and
in order to keep the plumbing going the same direction, we were trying to stay in the back. Um we had limited space goes over here. You can see the the wetland line and the 50 foot is um this dock line right here. So we had to stay on this side of the stay on this side of
the line. Um with the pool in the deck and setbacks to those really only had a little spot right in here we could perk in back in the front. We had this area up here. But I looked at the soil maps and did a couple of test and it was very
cle the front. So we did not run. Um um so we end up working in the back here. We are just 51 ft to the wetlands line with the leech bed and
from this one. The tanks of 58 ft from the closest point on the wetlands. Um but we still meet title five and and protection act. We're going to put in some uh straw waddle erosion control at
the edge of all the grading and work. Um, we lose about three trees, three mature trees in the back. There's one good size. There's an oak right here. That's the biggest tree we're going to lose. And a small one right there where
it says E and B. Then another one back here. Probably was just outside of outside of limit of the work. Um, but it really is a it's the only place we could put it. Fits in right size. We
do have to pump because it's going to be raised up above the above the uh plumbing. Um so it's pretty straightforward from a design standpoint. >> All right, Bill, why don't I let me do this? Why don't I stop you there and open this up for questions from the
members if that's okay. Okay, questions from the members. Mary, questions for Bill on on the submitt. Mary, you're on mute if you're Oh, we lost you. >> Sorry about that. Um, the board of health has approved this.
Did you say or or it's still before them? >> I I know she has it. Um, there's no waiverss. We requested no waivers, so I know she can approve it. I have not uh spoken with her today to find out she was not available. >> So, I didn't ask wasn't able to ask.
>> Do you want us to wait for board health in case there are changes or would you rather have us make a decision? I feel pretty confident that she's going to approve it because we have no waiverss and it meets all the require five and local requirements. So, yep, >> I'm comfortable. If anything, it may
tweak a grade, but it won't I won't be going beyond our limit of work we're showing. So, >> Yep. Exactly. And Mason, did you say that you were at at the site and you looked at the the wetland line and that closest point looks reasonable to you? >> Yep. I was able to go there today.
>> Okay. I don't have any further questions. >> Hey, thank you. Thank you, Mary. Woody, any questions for Bill on this? >> No, I don't have any questions. Thank you, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Woody. Harry, any any questions for Bill Holton? >> No questions at this time, Bob. Thanks.
>> Thank you, Harry. Frank, any questions for Bill? >> No. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you, Frank. David, any questions for Bill Holt? >> No, I don't. >> All right. I do not have any questions. Mason, are there any raised hands from
the public at this time? Seeing none. >> Okay. If anyone would like to speak in this matter, just please unmute and identify yourself. >> All right. Hearing none. Uh do any members request a site visit or additional information or plan amendment
at this time? Okay. Hearing none. Uh, I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Thank you. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry?
>> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes. >> And Bob Connor is votes yes. Okay. Uh, this is usually any any special conditions, Mary. It's a septic system replacement. It's
>> pretty standard. Yeah, pretty standard. >> All right. I will entertain a motion to issue an order of conditions for 75 Pearson Drive. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes.
>> Woody? >> Yes. >> Uh Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes. >> And Bob Connor is voters. Thank you, Bill. >> Thank you. Have a good night. >> Okay. Next matter is a new public
hearing for uh 54 Cottage Road. Unfortunately, there is no D file number. I I did check the portal uh probably about 4:00. Mason, you didn't get any notification that a number had been issued. >> Uh no, I haven't.
>> Okay. Can you give us a quick overview on this one? And uh I see Tom Tom is there. >> Yep. Yeah. This is a raise and rebuild in the riverfront area. Um and yeah, at that I I'll just open it up to
Tom and he can um present what the proposed construction is. >> Okay. So Tom, welcome. Tom, you know you you know the policy of the commission without a file number, but you certainly can open your public hearing, make a presentation,
>> and if there are questions uh from the public, >> we can certainly open it up to that. commission will reserve their questions uh until we get a file number and you you know that you know >> Yeah. And and what I what I would like
to ask um Mr. Chairman is whether that I'll go through and try to make my presentation uh as quick an overview as I can. I think there are some neighbors present. So if any of them want to uh speak, I think uh it's not their fault
whether we have a file number or not. So hearing what they have to say would be helpful. >> No, no problem. Also, Tom, there were a couple of neighbors that were going to town hall that were not a were not going to participate by Zoom and Town Hall has
a power failure. So, I'm not sure uh where they are or who they were. They were when they lost their power. >> Yeah. I mean, I certainly would encourage any neighbors >> with concerns to reach out directly and
>> sometimes we can resolve things before we even, you know, get into the hearing. So, okay. >> Um, >> and then, uh, lastly, what I would ask is since you don't have another meeting for a month, is whether the commission would consider either,
uh, granting or or delegating the ability to schedule a site visit to Mason once a file number has been issued or considering a second meeting in May. Um, just so that we can keep this thing moving because otherwise it's a it's a good delay. But with that said, uh let
me share the screen and get into the uh get into the presentation. >> Yep. I'll let you share screen. >> Okay. >> It's still saying disabled. >> Uh should be good to go now. >> Okay. Good. Thank you.
Okay. So um as you can see this is uh the location map location is down uh towards the end of cottage right before it takes a turn towards the river and uh it's
uh access through uh private drive. And this is the lot. the the arrows pointing to the salt marsh. There's actually uh it's actually pointing where there's a row of piles. There's an existing home. The coastal bank is running
right along this line right along here. And there's a Norway maple sitting right in front of the existing house. Um and let me see if I can give me a second. I've got me I don't know if the meeting
controls are showing up with you but they're they're showing up in my way. Just a second there. Okay. Um so there's a there's the lot is fairly deep and uh what you'll see is we're
proposing to remove this house and replace it further from the river. So the site and I'll pull up the site plan in a second has a plethora of resource areas. We have the the tidal flats. We have land under the ocean. It's
considered out here. Um we have salt marsh, we have coastal bank, we have flood plane, we have ACEC, uh and we have riverfront. So we have a number of different resource areas to deal with the performance standards on.
So this is showing where the habitat is. The habitat is not right up along the shoreline, but it is in the waterway. We are proposing a seasonal dock and that and the floats will clip into the endangered species habitat. So we have
sent this off to Natural Heritage for review. It's also been sent to Marine Fisheries. You can see that there are some shellfish uh mapped in this area. Um I think it's uh soft shell clam. I know
there's some other areas within the Parker that are also uh mapped for oyster, but this doesn't appear to be mapped for that. So, it's within AE 13 the flood plane. So, it does encompass the entire lot. It
is outside of the limit of moderate wave action, which is also referred to as the coastal Azone in the building code. Now, here's a picture of the existing piles, and you can see behind it, there's a
neighbor's dock. There's actually docks in both directions uh in this section of uh of the river. Here's a view from the the back of the lot or or middle of the lot actually, sort of towards the water. You can see
right here in this area, you can see the piles, existing piles out in the marsh. So, basically, you've got upland lawn areas, landscape areas, um the vegetation, there's a combination of invasive plants, and then some like
lilacs and things like that. There's some Norway maples as well as some uh some native hardwood trees. Here's the existing condition map. This is this is showing you I I won't spend too long on it, but we've got salt
marsh. We've got a coastal bank boundary. We've got ACE, which follows uh elevation 9.2 kind of comes up. Uh I think it's sh it's actually shown right in here. The existing house is entirely within the ACE. Uh we will also be
moving it totally out of it. The septic tank is this raised area right here. Uh you have your outer riperian zone, your flood plane um is the entire lot and you also have the um 100 foot buffer to uh
to bank back here. So this is our demo plan. Shows we're removing a uh small garage area that's up in this area and the single family home here. This shows where the septic is. And what's proposed is a new home. It
has a swimming pool, a patio area, driveway, new garage, and this L-shape. It's in a higher area of the lot. It's outside of the ACC. So, we're essentially restoring the ACC by removing the house. We're doing
mitigative plantings in this darker shaded area here. Uh we have a mix of um seated areas, some lawn. Uh we have some uh native plants. I think all all but
one of the plants along the foundation are native. There's I think one non-native in this area. And uh native plants extend up into this area. And beyond that, it's a mix of just typical landscape plants that are in the outer
area. the very outer riverfront and uh and out towards uh the access road. Uh this uh a lot of this is to meet our performance standards under the rivers act uh under degraded where we have to
mitigate it 2:1 and one one for various things and that's covered in depths in the uh in the narrative. We propose a uh a walkway. We're going out. We're abandoning the last two sets of piles. We keep the same number of piles. We'll
be actually restoring the salt marsh where those piles are currently by removing them. And we can uh basically place the new piles and use the salt marsh vegetation and the in the new pile locations to patch the old pile
locations and essentially make everything whole with with no impact overall to the salt marsh. We have our one and a half to one elevation. And then we have a gang way that goes from mean high water, spans the remaining salt marsh and gets us out into good
navigable water. We have walkout floats and a T at the end. The T at the end gets into endangered species habitat. So that's why this has been sent to them for review. And here's our fairly robust planting plan. Um, we have, as required by the
Rivers Act, uh, mitigation standards, we have trees, shrubs, and herbaceous native plants in our, uh, in our areas down near the river. Uh we did try to be sensitive to neighbors by using for our tree species in some areas fairly low
growing trees that will not be an immediate block to to views. But we did also have to meet the um uh the rivers act requirements. We are removing a Norway maple right here because as the commission is aware
the Norways um are also uh alilopathic. In other words, they they stop the growth of other species underneath and tend tend to lead to more invasives. We also are proposing a an invasive uh
protocol along the bank on this uh western end has got a bunch of invasive plants. So, we'll be removing the invasive plants and putting in native plants on the coastal bank. >> Hey, Tom, let me let me just make a suggestion. I know you would you had
promised us kind of an amended presentation. Do you want to stop there and get some questions from the public if if they're present just to give you a sense of direction of the questions and direction they may want you to go in? >> I had about five more seconds which was to say on the last page
>> the commission can take a look at at our impact numbers and at that point I open it up to any questions that folks may have. >> Okay. Mason, are there any raised hands from the public? And if they're up, we could just uh sequence them so that we
address their hands. All right. Uh well, I'm going to John John is it Kilman? Kiliman >> Kilum. >> John Kllum. And I'm here with my wife Kathy as well. >> Just give us your your give us your name and address and why don't you fire away at Tom with questions you have on the
project. >> Absolutely. My name is John Kllum. K I L L A M. My wife is Kathleen and we are located at 52 Cottage Road um right next door. Um as you're looking at the water um we're to the right of the designated
spot that uh Tom Hughes is uh talking about here. So So the the question that I I have to to start things off if you don't mind here. First off, Tom, thanks very much for sending uh the information uh to us the notice. Uh we appreciate that. um in
in the in the narrative that we have in front of us from from your company. Um you mentioned here the uh the new home fully complies with flood plane requirements. Um h how do we know that when we don't
know what the house is made out of? Uh one of the we don't know if it's if the foundation uh is going to be pilings or if it's going to be a uh a real foundation or not. So maybe you can respond to that a little bit.
>> Um yeah, so basically when we look at the first floor elevation, it's uh it's a 15.25, the flood elevation being 13, which means that we're elevating that first floor up
above flood. And that's what the building code requires in um in a location such as this since we're not within the limit of moderate wave action. Uh which is if you look at a flood map in New areas where there's a zigzag line on the flood map. If you're
within that then you have to meet much more strict requirements and likely have to be up on pilings. In this case uh this would be a a more traditional foundation but without a basement. So no, no part of it would be
>> below grade because that is prohibited by uh >> by the the building code and by the FEMA requirements. >> Um there'll be no utilities or anything like that within the plane of the flood.
>> Uh so that during a flood nothing gets wet that causes somebody to have to leave the home. >> Okay. Can I ask a question? >> Um hi Tom. I'm Kathy. I have a question. As you're looking at that plan that you're showing and where it at the top
of it where it has stairs and then uh like patio steps or patio blocks, >> how how high is that deck? Um and how and then as you move closer towards the water, you have all those other
stairs. Um, and I'm gonna also ask about the pool, how that is being put in, installed. >> So, right. So, because we have to have the home floor up at that elevation to
comply with flood, the patio, sorry, the patio in this area um is at elevation 14.75. So you step down coming out of the the home um about a half a foot which is typical right one step down
onto the patio and then um basically this area in order to keep our grading from going into the ACC this area has a retaining wall that kind of holds all that back. But now you're up at
elevation 14 and you have your ground here at elevation 9 or 9 and a half. So we have to get down there. So here you're walking up the stairs. It looks like like four stairs, four treads if I'm counting right, but I'm I'm looking
at another screen and it's a little bit smaller. Um and then we're coming down quite a few here to get off that patio down into this back area towards the water. So that retaining wall is ho how high
14t. >> Um it's above me >> 14 14's above sea level the ground in this area. >> Um so the ground elevation down in the salt marsh it's 4 and 1 half five six as we get up to the coastal
bank up in this area we get to elevation nine. Um, and then as you move up into the area where the home is, the ground elevation starts to approach elevation 10. So it's um,
so the first floor ends up being about 5 ft above grade where that house is being located. So, with the way the construction is being done here, I'm a concern that we have here for our residents is um um how
could the groundwater be affected here? We've got a shallow well and then I know on the other side of the property, they've got a shallow well as well. Okay. Um so, there really should not be any impact. Um my understanding of the
soils in that area is it's a pretty good sandy soil underneath everything. Uh we are taking the the roof runoff and we're we're putting it into a dry well. Um so we'll actually be infiltrating stuff
right back into the ground which will make it that water available for the well and that water is a clean uh you know a clean water. the the roof runoff that that runs in there. And um
you know, we can I'm not familiar with exactly where your well is. That's something certainly we could talk to you offline about. Just see kind of where it is in relation to where we're located the dry well and just make sure everything makes sense um from that
point of view. But because we're taking the water and performing some level of storm water management and we're vegetating that area between the house and the river which is essentially the direction the water is going to want to flow, we should be providing ample infiltration for uh for water generated
on site. The next question is more of a concern we we have and that is and it may be outside of the scope of of this particular topic and I certainly would appreciate if you tell me that that that is the case but it may relate um to to you Tom um relative to environmental uh
concerns and that is um because there may be a reason and that is uh this house seems to be very right justified um moving closer uh to our property. In fact, uh some of the the walls that you show here are within a matter of just a
few feet uh from our property. In fact, the house was 12 feet and I think maybe the structure of the wall got closer to like five or six feet uh from the property line of ours. And I'm not sure if there's a uh philosophy that you use
here. Um there's probably many variables, I'm sure. Um we're we're curious about why not have it more centered into the property at least. >> I think I think since we do part of our performance standards is an alternatives
analysis where we have to evaluate the most within the context of these regulations. the the furthest from the river that we can out of the riverfront if we can, but we really don't have room to have
everything out of the riverfront. Um, but we had to move everything as far backwards away from the river as we could, which we did, right? We can't get much closer back here. And then we have a septic system here and we have to
maintain an offset of the septic system. So that kind of boxes us in when we have the ACC which literally runs right up against us here of trying to get outside of the
great marsh AC. We are generally we we absolutely cannot have any additional impact in the ACE that offsets any of the values for which the ACC was declared and we are required to try to
get out of the ACC when we can. Um and in this case what we've done is we had a very small box here really to consider our alternatives in which is the area that's outside AC. And unfortunately that was over on your side uh more than
on the other side. And that's largely because the septic is pushing us in that direction. Uh we do have to maintain I think it's a 10-ft offset from the septic field >> unless the septic field could be moved. >> Um that you know that's
>> the creates problems of its own because it's a raised system. Then if we move that on the other end, we have to completely redo where the driveway is coming in and and change the whole kind of nature of
everything on site. And that also adds significant expense. And it's uncertain whether or not we actually could find a spot to perk one given that you have a well on your side. That would mean putting the septic towards you. And we're there are offsets to drinking
water wells and to wells uh on other properties. So >> if I could not jump in here if I could jump in here for a minute. John and Kathy, this meeting is going to get continued tonight regardless of the discussion. What I'm going to suggest is
I think Tom would be willing to meet with you on site and go over these things and I think doing that on site will be informative and we can bring we can just pick up at our next meeting where you left off here trying to manage trying to manage the
clock as well. >> Sure. >> So I get it >> if that makes sense. And we have one other per John. Uh John I'm not even going to try to pronounce your last name. I have trouble with Connors. Never mind.
Protopapus. Protoapus. What? See, that's why I don't try to pronounce names that aren't Irish. >> Tom Hughes is an easy name to pronounce. John, you're on mute. If you could give us your name and your address, and if
you could address your questions to Tom, uh, that would be be great. But in the same uh vein as I mentioned to John and Kathy uh if you can discuss matters offsite with Tom uh offline with Tom we
are going to reschedule a meeting that's going to be a continued meeting so no one's going to lose a place but sometimes talking offline you can have a more candid discussion. John, you're on mute.
>> There you are. >> Do you hear me now? >> Yeah, John, give us your name and your address and uh ask Tom your questions. >> It's John Proto 64 Cottage Road. So, my property is directly behind um that
property there. So, I'm across the driveway from them. Um, and so my question, and certainly Tom, we could do this offline, that's fine. Um, you talked about the the trees and the landscaping, and at first they'll be fine, but then as they grow in, it'll
start to take away views. Um, so I look right over the septic, right out to the river. And so that's a view that we certainly find very relaxing and enjoy. And we would certainly not like to lose that. Uh, so I'm just kind of wondering
what that looks like. Maybe not immediately, but further down the road if you what your planting is eventually going to grow in and block that. >> Yeah. So, to give you a real quick answer and let me go to that landscape
plan. Um, the existing trees that are here that you look at now are all staying. So, we're not affecting them in any major way. Um or I'm sorry actually. So the these are the big trees. We do
have some trees going in here. And what we can do these are Nissa Svitica. They don't get huge. Um I mean compared to like an oak or a maple, but we can we can go through that um we can go through that offline and talk
about that. We can also take a look and uh and just see kind of where your house is, where you're looking, and uh and certainly talk to you about whether there's any way that any adjustments if it if it makes life uh better without
sort of compromising our overall ability to both comply with the rags and obviously, you know, meet our clients needs, but we're certain, you know, he's looking to move into a neighborhood, not, you know, not fight into a neighborhood. So, if if we can work with folks, uh we'll certainly uh discuss
things and see what we can do. >> All right. Well, appreciate that for sure. Just um I guess let us know when that's a good time to do um if there's going to be a site visit or come down to your office. I work from home, so my schedule's pretty flexible.
>> Okay. Um yeah, I think um what would be good is uh I think you should have my email address that is on if you have a copy of the application, you'll see it. If not, >> uh if you can get your email to me
through Mason. >> Um and the same to the killum. >> Why don't you just give Mason your contact information or allow him to share it with >> Yeah, absolutely. if if Mason can share it with those guys and I'll reach out and try to find some time and um I'll
see you know I'll check with our team and see if I can have uh like for I may be able to have the civil engineer perhaps you know come to talk about the uh the issues that that for 52 raised because I think they may he may be helpful
>> with some of that and then I can talk to uh the landscape designer and just see you know see to what extent I can get other folks to come along with me. But I can at very least meet with you and and go over these things and go back to the team and see what you know what we might
be able to do to address any concerns or maybe once we understand exactly what you're looking at there may not be as many concerns. >> John, does that work? >> Thank you. >> So just reach out to Mason and if if you if you have any trouble with Tom's
contact information. I don't see any of the raised hands at this time. Team, I'm going to make one suggestion. You know, from time to time, we we entertain scheduling an additional
meeting during a particular month. And looking at the number of continuences and approaching the summer season, I'm going to make a suggestion that we entertain scheduling an additional May
meeting for Tuesday, May 19th. That will let a couple of the applicants get their numbers, their D numbers. We can then go forward. would give us the ability to schedule a sitewalk prior to the June
meeting and and then depending if everything is ready and we have technical comments uh we can go from there. So So this is a question for the members. Does uh is there an interest in
scheduling our next meeting Tuesday uh May 19th? >> I think that's a good idea. Bob, um, looking at the our agenda and >> we always had, you know, >> yeah, we meetings a month for a long time. So now that the schedule the
agenda is filling up a little bit more, it makes sense to do that at least for for the month of May and we can look ahead to see if that >> Yeah, certainly. >> But I can make that meeting. >> Okay, Woody, how does that date work for you? >> I think it would be helpful and it works fine, Bob. Thank you.
>> Okay, thank you. Harry, how about you? is >> yeah it work it works works well for me as well >> okay thank you Harry Frank how about you is May 18th May 19th excuse me work be >> I I have a tenative um trip planned but it's not definite so um if I'm not away
I'd be happy to attend >> Thank you Frank David how about you >> so far that's a good date for me as well >> okay and that works for me okay so we're going to schedule our next meeting is going to be uh May 19th. So Tom, at this
time, uh, I'm I'm anticipating that you're going to request a continuence to our May 19th meeting. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Bob, did we want to schedule a site visit on this one so that >> Well, I you know what, Mary, we we've been waiting for the file number and
technical comments so that we would be able to look at uh all of the issues at that one time. and but we would schedule we could schedule it right after our May 19th meeting and and entertain
you prior to the June 2nd meeting. So, >> okay. Would and I would just advise that um Tom give the surveyors or the engineers a heads up so they can stake >> Yeah. >> out the house corners. >> Yeah. I'm not who who doing the review?
We don't know who's doing the review on this file either. You may want to nudge them, Tom. that usually in Riverfront there's a bevy of technical comments that come back to be clarified. >> Yeah, they they cashed the check really quickly. They just didn't give us a file number. So, I don't know who's doing the
review. And certainly, uh, Mary, like, you know, it's a very straightforward Salt Marsh delineation, but you're you're welcome to come out in a, you know, prior to then and look at that. >> All right, Tom, let me run the meeting if I may. >> Yep. Sorry. >> All right. So, uh, I will entertain a
motion to continue the public hearing to our May 19th meeting at the applicant's request. >> So, moved. >> Second. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes.
>> David? >> Yes. >> And Bob Connors says yes. Okay. Thank you, Tom. And, uh, thank you to the the neighbors. All right. Next matter is a continued public hearing. >> Just make sure I'm not missing
something. D file number 0501461 14 Southern Boulevard. Applicant is submitting a notice of intent for proposed landscaping work and hardscape improvements. Mason, can you provide an overview and a recommendation on this matter? >> Yep. Uh so the board and I had completed
a sitewalk. It was probably about two weeks ago now. um where we had looked at on-site conditions with the applicant and their representative um and he had asked some questions uh regarding the feedback that he got from the D comments and regarding the feedback that he got from um our first
meeting. Um I don't unfortunately again I don't have the files right in front of me so I can't name the changes um but the applicant has addressed the D comments updated their plans um which all should be in the folder um and I am sure that he is happy to share the
updates with you guys now. >> Okay, if uh if you could give us your name, the address and your position on this project and then give us your presentation be great. Uh >> hi, I'm Jeff Travers. Uh good evening commissioners. I own property at uh 14
Southern Boulevard and I'm looking to make uh substantial improvements and I've put forth plans, initial plans that were um analyzed and resulted in many recommendations.
I believe that our revised plans that have been submitted have met those recommendations and mitigated the concerns that DP had at the time of the initial um um submission. Um we did have a sidewalk
and there were other concerns, not necessarily concerns, but recommendations. And I think that that that was one of the most helpful things that could have happened to help move this project forward is to have that sitewalk and and you know the commission coming back and telling us the best way
to do this and we're trying to follow those recommendations and that's what the revised plans uh should should show. >> Jeff, do you have the ability to share the plan? the latest plan um
>> the re yeah the revised plan that addressed D technical comments and the site visit uh comments >> the main revisions had to do with the um
removal of and those are there I thought that those would have been available previously >> you know what it is Jeff we had a power failure at town >> oh is in his is in his car conducting
this meeting because there's no Wi-Fi >> uh in the town. So, he doesn't have his >> doesn't have his office uh computer available to post that. >> Um I I am I I am just a guy who owns a
house on >> I'm gonna I'm gonna go to our res I'm gonna go to our resident expert, Mary Rimmer. Mary, uh, I'm assuming that this plan is in the is in the >> Yeah, let me just if Mason, you want to
let me share the screen, I can pull that up. >> That'd be great, May. Thank you, Mary. >> I was I have it up, too. Mary, >> thank you. Thank you, commissioners. I apologize for my boomer. >> Happens all the time.
>> Boomer applicant status. I think this one. Okay. >> Is this it here? >> Yeah. What's the re the revised date, Jeff, that you're >> This is uh 42426 is the revised for conservation
commission comments. >> Okay. >> Yes. >> Okay. Why don't you just walk us through this, Jeff, and then I'll I'm going to ask you to hold and I'll open this up to questions from the members. >> Sure. Uh this uh landscape plan
um has changed what was originally in included with the original plan that removed any of the D concerns with regard to pavers. Um and
and those let me see if I got uh the concerns that that were brought up uh was removal of vegetation to fill which uh was their one of their main concerns and that I believe I've
shown that we're not going to be removing but we're going to be replacing vegetation. uh they objected to the installation of concrete pavers and stone steppers in the back side of the property. Uh that
has been uh modified to include a boardwalk section that will help accessibility uh in my future years. Um, and we'll we'll adhere to the again the
specifications that the that brought up at the sitewalk and the requirements that uh will need to be met. Um, and we're not doing again for the DP mitigation, we're not doing removal of portions of the pave paved driveway. So
that's this section used to have some pavers on the driveway. Now we're just doing straight wall replacement. These are existing walls, cinder block crumbling that will be replaced with more
attractive uh you know I'm a I'm in a main thoroughfare in this in the town but uh hopefully my investment will be a you know positive impact on the overall community. Um
and so there there's the mitigation of the DEEC concerns. Uh we also talked about uh our planting uh plants which we have revised to
adhere to uh you know the suggestions that exist for native plantings and we will stick with that. And let's see. >> You know what, Jeff? I Why don't I stop
you there and let me open this up for questions. Sure. We've already members have done a sitewalk. So, why don't I do this? I'll start with Mary. Mary, questions uh for Jeff. >> Yeah. And just to refresh the members minds, the D comments had to do with the
removal of dune vegetation to fill an installation of concrete pavers, even permeable stone steppers, concrete paver steps, and steel edging around the house does not meet beach dune performance standards. So it appears that most of that has been taken out. I'm just going
to go through it again. And then removal of portions of the paved driveway to install concrete pavers even in the same footprint is highly discouraged. So I'm assuming you're going to just keep your paved driveway the way it is right now. Is that correct, Jeff?
>> Exactly. uh that uh that was u part of my submission on April 7th that uh referred to the fact that uh their concern was removal of portions of the page page driveway and and no further work of this project will be removed.
>> Right. So that you're not going to resurface the driveway or anything like that. You're just going to leave it as is. >> Exactly. >> Okay. and then replacement of these um retaining walls here and here um which is essentially being replaced
in kind. It's m maintenance that is allowed. So it's a different material that's being used but it's within the same footprint of the existing walls. Then there this little tree was going to stay and there was a whole bunch of bay uh not berry um
>> rigos rigosa that was really dense in here. We wanted to take that out and we wanted to make sure that whatever was replanted in there um was native to the dunes. So I haven't looked to see what the plant list is yet.
>> I do have a planting plan and unfortunately you know maybe got to go oz on mason >> look at that >> bring that up again. >> So this is all >> but that was modified to to again meet the recommendations that uh you know were given to us during the walkthrough.
>> Right. Right. And so there's some parking that occurs on the side here as well as in the driveway. And so there was some loss of vegetation in this area here. He's proposing um car shells um to create a more formal parking area here.
>> Not necessarily parking, but overall general recreation. We can set up cornhole games out there with my grandkids. We can, you know, do all kinds of things out there. >> Yep. Um and and the and the um >> you know the general
>> idea of you know doing that should be an improvement for infiltration and stabilization. >> Jeff what I what I was suggesting Mary's just kind of given a summary of the site visit for for those of us that weren't at the site visit.
>> Okay. So if she if there's a specific question, Mary will address it to you. That way there you >> and I think that all of this behind here to get to the back door was is all new proposed and this some of this is replacing existing deck. Is that
correct? >> No, not at the ground level. Um there's no existing deck. >> Oh, the deck is here. That's right. Okay. The deck is here. So all of this proposed here is new boardwalk and pathway essentially,
>> right? Uh again, there's been a significant erosion back there that has exposed my sewer pipes. I want to be able to try and um you know add fill that will mitigate that. at the same time adding some boardwalks that will
allow some better accessibility uh for um you know years to come. >> Right. So I remember talking about this and the access around the house which is fine and and I I thought that maybe some of the deck was going to be replaced but
maybe not just you leaving that in place. >> No, the deck is not going to be replaced. The deck will be we we do have plans to replace the surface of the deck only with uh >> surface deck. Okay. >> With with you know without moving any
footprints but simply uh you know it's it's it's due and again this is kind of like the walls and it's going to have to get done eventually. >> I want to do it now. >> Sure. when uh you know and then that's going to be you know that we're going to be coordinating
deck work on the existing s you know raised deck with uh deck work that will take place in the back of the uh the property. Um >> the only part that I don't remember Bob is this piece here. Um
and and what I mean that it's getting to the a little bit to the point of just sort of covering over >> yard area there, >> right? This is where the pipe is exposed right here in this area. >> Right. And that can be addressed through
um bringing in additional sand and re and bringing up the grade there. So that's the only area that I might have a little concern about. So those were my comments. Bob, if you wanted to >> Okay. Yeah. No, thank thank you, Mary, and thank you for putting up the plan. I I mean, I think the key word that Jeff
used was accessibility, which which adds a a little more leeway than if if it wasn't for, you know, really handicap accessibility. >> All right, why don't I Mary, I'll circle back with you, but I'll go through the
rest of the members and and see what they have for questions as well, if that's okay. >> Yep. >> Okay. Thank you, David. I see you have your hand up. What What's your question, David? >> Yeah, I I did uh I did the sitewalk with the rest of the team. I think there's an existing deck. I know there is. There
was a dog on the on the back porch, and I think this is this boardwalk that is going to be above the pipe that's exposed. It's just going to connect with the existing deck on this side on the that right rear corner of the uh of the house. I think that's how I how I recommended, how I remembered it, I
should say. >> Okay. Anything else, David? >> No. And I think I'm sorry, one more thing. I think the on the as the >> uh drawing shows a car in the driveway. I think you're going to just keep that wall there on the right hand side.
That's not going to be disturbed. >> Um it is currently a one cinder block. >> Yeah. >> Level is going to be replaced with the same level keeping the elevation
uh not expanding the driveway uh at all. that the the uh width of the driveway will not expand. It's going to be a replacement of the existing wall. >> Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I mean, that not from a concom position, but uh inconsistent with the other wall,
and it didn't look like it was in great shape anyway. So, >> I I drive by this house almost every day. I I live on Annapolis way, Jeff. So I I know exactly what you're saying about your some a lot of your existing yacht features are just approaching the end of the useful light when you're doing >> right
>> quantifying them all at one time. >> Now or later. >> Well, now we I've gotten this far. Let's do it now. >> Let's get it into the orders so that you're you're good to go. David, anything else before I go back to the rest of the members? >> No, sir.
>> Thank you. Woody, any questions for Jeff on this project? >> Um, no questions for Jeff. Sidewalk was very helpful and I'm I'm good with questions. Thank you both. >> Okay. Thank you, Woody. Harry, how about yourself? Any questions? You drive by this every day as well.
>> Yep. I Yeah, I drive by it and uh I'm looking forward to seeing the uh you know, the new work that he that Jeff's going to be uh presenting here. And I agree with him. is going to boost the values up on that street with the with his nice landscaping. Um, everyone had
some great questions, so um, I'm I'm satisfied. So, no questions, Bob. >> Okay. Thank you, Harry. Frank, any questions on this project? >> U, my only question is what the boardwork on the backside is going to be made of.
Um, is it just going to be laying flat in the sand or is it uh raised? It will be raised to meet the elevation requirements uh that were brought up at the uh sidewalk. I believe it was 12 in I think.
>> Yeah, >> but we'll certainly adhere to the whatever requirements. Uh >> okay. >> That's my only question. >> Okay. Thank you, Frank. David, any any follow-up questions at this time? >> No, Bob.
>> Mary, I'm going to circle back with you. Any any additional comments you want to make? Um, no, just the I think was there a plant? Yeah, there is a planting plan, I guess. >> Yeah. >> Okay, that's Yeah, that's what I was looking for. And the list uh juniper
cloth. >> How can you see that? >> She has it on. >> Put it on. Let me let me let me blow it up a little for you. I was just Yeah, there we go. I can find it now. I think you made a recommendation on a couple
changes. Uh they were minor though, Mary walk. >> Yep. Um they all they look good. I just don't know about the um those are all fine. Those are all fine. That's fine. Butterfly indigo. Joe
pie view. Yep. That all looks good. >> They're all compliant with the CVM planting. >> Yep. >> Okay. Great. That was our intent following the the site walk was to uh meet the exact requirements you requested. >> Perfect. Thank you so much. >> All right. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you,
Mary. Uh Mason, do you have any comments before I check with see if there's any raised hands from the public? >> Well, Mason's battery has probably died on his last. Okay. Are there any raised hands from the public at this time? I I don't see
any on the list. >> Nope. >> But if you >> if but if you have a comment, just give us your name, your address, and and ask your questions. >> Okay. Hearing none. Do any members have
a request for an additional sitewalk or additional information or plan amendment at this time? >> No. No. >> Okay. Uh, I will entertain a motion to close the public hearing.
>> So moved. Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes. >> And Bob Connors.
Okay. Uh, I think Jeff, I think you've made a >> do the order of conditions we have to vote on. >> Yep. Yep. I I was just saying that I think Jeff's done yman's work and and trying to meet the echo comments of the commission and of d.
>> All right. Uh this would be the time we would discuss uh any particular uh additional plan any addition comments or conditions. Mary anything you want to add? Um just that you know I think it's standard in the order but if not and if
Mason is listening to this or recording >> well I'll make a notation if >> yeah just the um any any material that comes to the site is beach compatible sand or the crush stone that the crush shells that you indicated and then um
the individual plantings can be um the hole itself for the plantings can be supplemented with lom if needed but that no top soil or anything be added. So, >> yes, that was noted from your comments at the last hearing. >> So, we'll just we'll just make sure
that's in the order of conditions just something happens or your landscaper >> goes rogue on us. So, >> okay. Any any other anything else? All right. Hearing none, I will entertain a motion to issue an order of
conditions for 14 Southern Boulevard with the two notate two conditions that Mary had mentioned. No additional top soil and that any sand or materials are plum island compatible. >> So moved. Second.
>> Okay. Harry and Woody. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. Frank, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> And Bob Connor's votes. Yes. Okay. Thank you, Jeff.
>> Very good. I appreciate uh this been an interesting uh experience. I It's been a very uh good experience. Uh >> well, if you live make sure we're protecting our our island. I absolutely believe that's so important. Well, if
you're living in Bayfield, it would be a little different standing, but uh welcome to Plum Island. >> So, I can I I can uh notify uh my friends at Bayberry that they can start work at their whenever they're ready. Right. >> No, how it works is Mason will prepare
an order of conditions. It'll be signed by the members. You'll receive a copy. D will receive a copy. And Mary, correct me if I'm if I'm mistaken. This a 10 business day hold where uh the department could or or in a butter could
file an appeal. >> Correct. >> So, so it's 10 business days. So, basically two full weeks is usually what what it is. And then you'd be good >> from the date of issuance. Right. >> And and the issuance will come uh >> it'll be this week.
>> This week? >> Yeah. should be >> Mason usually will uh get this out and signatures will be added. So >> if if he'd rather come and pick it up to save the mailing just let him >> No, no, that's not that I don't think
we're that could start, but they I do want to let them know that uh you know they've been planning on doing this work and let's get the workers working. >> Tell them from June one on you're probably going to be in pretty good shape.
>> Excellent. Okay. To let them know and >> Okay. Thank you very much, >> commissioners. >> Okay. All right. Next matter is D file number 0501460 45 Boston Road. Applicant submitting a notice of intent to expand existing boardwalk systems within within or
within proximity to bordering vegetative wetlands. Uh I'm just going to check. Mason, I I see you're back on. Do you have any overview or recommendations on this matter? Mason, you may be on mute. >> Uh, can everyone hear?
>> Yes. >> I'm not on mute. Can you guys hear me? >> Yes, people can hear you now, Mason. >> Uh, no. I lost point. and for me to conf. >> Sorry, didn't get that.
>> Yeah. No, Mason. >> Mason. >> Mason, why don't you do why don't you text uh text me your your comments if you could? Uh is the applicant present tonight or is this one of the matters that's being continued?
>> Uh it's going to be continued. >> Okay. All right. Uh, I will entertain a motion to continue. Well, you know, let me do this. Are there any any There's no raised hands from the public at this time.
>> Just want to make sure. >> No. >> Seeing none. >> Okay. I will entertain a motion to continue this public hearing to our May 19th meeting at the applicant's request. >> So moved. >> Second.
>> Okay. Mary. Thank you. Roll call. All in favor? Mary, >> yes. >> Woody, >> yes. >> Harry, >> yes. >> Frank, >> and Bob Connor as All right. >> Okay, we're getting down to the end of the pile here, team.
Okay, next matter. D file number 0501459, Newbury Town Beach Project. The town of Newbury is submitting a notice of intent, removal of debris, and reestablishment of existing beach access ways. Bas uh informed me that this
matter is also going to be continued. So I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing uh at the applicant's request to our May 19th meeting. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Second.
>> Woody. Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? Yes. >> David. >> Yes. >> And Bob Connors votes yes. All right. Next matter is D file number 0501455.
Old Newbury golf club applicant is submitting an NOI for golf course maintenance work including Tbox relocation tree removal within the buffer zone areas. Uh Mason, I'm assuming you want to try it again. Mason,
>> this is continued if you guys can hear me. >> Okay. Okay. Uh, all right. I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing at the applicant's request to our May 19th, 2026 meeting.
>> So moved. >> Do we have a second? >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> David, >> yes. >> And Bob Connor's votes yes. All right.
Next matter is D file number 05014534 Central Street. Applicant is submitting a notice of intent for the construction of an MVTA residential housing development at 34 Central Street. Heidi.
>> Hello everyone. Heidi Gaffne with Northwoods Environmental for the Record. Um, my understanding and I don't know if Mason wants to say anything too, but my understanding is that this um I don't
know is if I I I don't have I'm trying to see if the applicant is on. >> Yep. >> Oh, there you are. Okay. I I missed you on the scrolling, so I was wondering if you're here. Um so this has kind of come
around where um the comments I submitted comments um but the the storm water review seems to be one of the larger issues. Um there was a peer review done through planning with an engineering
review but it seems to um have not addressed specifically whether it's in compliance with the storm water standards. and there was some questions left unanswered. Um, so I I'm actually not sure if we wanted
to if if we're going to have full discussion or if this was going to be continued pending additional storm water review. Um, happy to go whichever direction, but >> yeah, I mean I I know Mason and I had talked about this offline, Marin,
>> and and it would seem that getting current on the storm water review. I I know that Mason had requested a copy of all Jose Rocker's uh reports. Heidi, where where does why don't you answer that because you're actually >> Yeah. So, I mean, where where I have
left off with that is I've gone through I had gone through all of um Joe's reports as well and I've gone through them all. Um it there was some questions unanswered and there was there there was nothing in there specific to it. It is in full
compliance with the storm water standards. Um so there there was that. There's also um the additional flagging that was done cuz it was an ANRAD OAD done for this property, but there's additional flagging just a few B wetland
flags and then the C and D which is the the bank which is that's pretty apparent but the B series wetland flags um to my knowledge haven't been reviewed. So that was another piece. Um so those could be taken care of probably concurrently.
So, is there an application is there a separate application for for Concom where we're we're the approving authority for storm water at this point in a fee that has to be paid just >> under Well, can I address that, Bob? >> Yeah, Mary, if you would, that'd be
great. >> So, so we have an obligation under the wetland protection act to make sure that the storm water management complies with D stormwater management standards. I did not see Mason didn't seem to provide any stormwater report with the material that
we received. So, I don't know what the status of the stormwater report is. Um, stormwater is going to be a big issue for this project or a big concern. We want to make sure it it's correct. In addition to that, the town has a storm water bylaw and any construction over an
acre is required to submit under the stormwater bylaw. you know, we only have draft regulations right now that were, you know, drafted in 2024. Um, so it's a question for Lisa, me as to whether or not we should be accepting storm water bylaw applications in
addition because we are the permit authority for that as well under the MS4 requirements for the town. So in either way there the the standards are likely to be very similar between the storm motor bylaw and what the EP is going to
require. Um and that my my primary concern well among others is that you know we have a failed culbert that this drains into this all this site or a good part of it anyway into basins but that into the wetland and then into this
partially clogged 12-in pipe. So I think that we need to have um a peer review of we need to receive a copy of the storm water report if we don't already. and Maren, maybe you have access to that and you can tell us. I don't know if your um
your civil engineer is present at the meeting tonight that can address that. >> Yes. Thank you, Mary. So, I'm going to turn this right over to Beiel and associate Christian Smith. He is the design engineer in the project and he will have all the answers. Great.
>> Now, Mary, I mean, question. There's been amended plans submitted to the conservation commission that were not part of the original subdivision submitt.
>> We submitted plans back in March. Um and we're in the process of revising some more plans in terms of um just comments from the sitewalk, comments from the last minute. So um the last meeting. So,
I I'm anticipating submitting hopefully sometime this week. >> I'm happy that the commission is going to have a second meeting in May. Um, but I did want to have Christian speak to the commission about the drainage. I know this is a big concern.
>> Um, and I think he may be able to address some of those questions you have. >> All right. That'd be great if he could just give us his name and his uh function on this project. >> Absolutely. Good evening, Mr. chairman, members of the board, and by the way,
God bless you, Mr. Clifford. Um, sorry just I apologize. Um, yes. So, we have provided storm water uh analyses in a full report uh including the one that
uh that went to DP subsequent to the planning board approval throughout this entire process. Um, and Joe Seratka did indeed provide a extremely comprehensive uh review of the entire drainage system
aside from the exit lane, which is why we're before you uh for the bulk of this project because uh that was a stipulation uh that we explore that by the planning board and I know uh obviously Woody Knight uh can
corroborate or or I guess uh dis discount uh anything that I say because he was the planning board chairman through that entire process. But there was an extensive uh storm water review. Uh there is a an existing storm water report which I believe Moren has
provided to the commission. Um and essentially to the the culvert in question, the existing 12-in culvert um that leads downstream to more 12-in culvert. So making that larger uh is is
certainly not going to change the outflow of this wetland. And quite frankly, I think if uh if we were to propose something that was larger, then you have the potential of actually draining the wetland, which is probably not going to be looked upon favorably either. But to that culvert, um we are
showing a a significant reduction under all three of the design storms that well, we also look at the 1- in water quality volume. Uh but that's mostly for pond design. But uh the 2-year, the 10-year, and the 9-year storm, uh excuse
me, the 100red-year storm, which is over 9 in of rain, uh in 24-hour period. And I think we can all agree that is pretty close to a hurricane if if not a hurricane. Uh and we are showing a vast
reduction. I think the the 100red-year storm we show about a 1/3 uh peak flow reduction. Uh in the 10ear storm we show about a 50% reduction. And if I'm not mistaken the 2-year storm I believe uh
there was a.35 cubic feet per second from this property uh headed to that culvert and we reduced that down by virtue of the uh the front pond there for the most part. um and collecting some upstream land
area which which gets caught in the uh closed drainage system under the roadway and and sent to that pond uh from.35 down to 0.05. So some pretty significant reductions in storm water. And you know, we were we were clear with the planning
board that when we went through to initiate the full design of the uh exit lane uh which which you see on the plans now, um that you know, Joe has has done the the review on everything else having
to do with storm water on the property and we would just deal with uh with D on that. And we do have a uh a review back and have responded to uh Department of Environmental Protection as well um with regard to that initial storm water uh
review by them. Uh so I think I mean are there other questions that are >> I I have one I have one for you Kristen. So on this 12-in culvet it certainly understand that downstream it's all 12
in. Have we came the cullet to just make sure that it's not partially collapsed and at least it's functioning uh within the standard discharge of a 12-in culvet? And if not, u I think that may be, you know, a critical feature that we
should consider just to make sure that it's it it is a 12-in celid and it hasn't collapsed or it's blocked or whatever that >> Yeah, I I'm not aware of anybody uh putting a camera device down there. Uh Mr. chairman. >> Mr. Chairman, if I can just add to that,
when we did the site visit, I don't know, two or three weeks ago now, >> we did see water flowing into the culvert. Um, there was a little area dug out. I'm assuming it was the town that did it right before the inlet.
>> Um, so there there is water flowing into it. >> Okay. I just want to make sure that it's going to handle the capacity of a 12-in line. Uh Loren just with the concerns that the neighbors have raised. One other question and and it's it's it's on
a different topic. Just curious on the status of the demo. I I wasn't available for the site visit. Has the house and all of the out buildings been removed? Just that's just a a question of curiosity. >> So um the birds and the ducks are gone.
I know that. Um they they had some asbestous in the house. So they were um when I talked to Jerry last week, he had a guy come in because of course they have to dispose of it properly >> doing all the abatement prior to demo
permit. Okay. >> Right. So it's um it's still up but they're working on it. >> It's in process. Okay. Why don't I hold all of you right there? Mary, do you have anything else before I see if there's any public comments that >> Yeah. I do. Um >> Okay.
>> No, just um I mean the cauldron itself under Central Street it was it was cleared in front of it and there was a trickle glowing in there. It's really flat, you know, wetland, so it doesn't have a lot of gradient. Um and so it needs to build up pretty far
before it starts getting into that culbert. And um I don't it doesn't appear to be fully functional. So, I think that definitely should be looked at um at some point or another cuz it it it appears to be silted in and it's you
know it was there was just a very small amount of flow that was going into it. um somehow or other we need to get into our record the uh you know the peerreview information on the stormwater design and
so that we can look at it and and have that as part of our process of determination on this project it if I am understanding Christian correctly there is an additional in addition to what Joe already looked at he hasn't look has not
looked at the additional access road as part of that review and so we need to incorporate that part of it into the overall review. Um it would be great to have Joe come to a meeting too and give provide some
assurances to us about some of this. Um because it's it's a big project and it's draining to an area that's very sensitive to the neighborhood. it already experiences flooding and so you know if we don't get this right then it would you know it does have the
potential for affecting other other properties. Um as far as the ANRAD that we filed that that was approved the ANRAD didn't was filed at the time when the access was not proposed across
the wetland. So only one side of that wetland was flagged because it was only relevant to the only side facing the work was relevant. Now the backside has been flagged. We did a site visit and we did look at those flags on the other side during that site visit. So I I
don't have it concerned specifically about that. I don't believe. >> Um >> are you are you are you looking for an updated plan showing additional flagging, Mary? Is that what you're >> I think it's on the plan. >> Yeah,
>> it should be. >> Okay. >> Um >> but but your question is has Joe looked at it to see if it has any impact on storm water from our perspective. >> Well, he hasn't looked at the the road that's going across that wetland.
>> Okay. But it's one of the check one of the items we want him to check. >> Yes. >> Okay. Mary, any anything else? Um I mean I think that this is there there are a number of you know questions about the replication area some of which
have uh were discussed and have been incorporated. Um I don't know if there's any further um work that's been done on the replication area. We we talked about using some of the existing lawn area as um as
replication area rather than cutting down trees, you know, so that we can minimize the amount of disturbance in that. >> So So that's the game plan, Mary, and that's going to be incorporated into the plan set and into the wetland
replication restoration report now. Y >> So I'm happy to incorporate those things. That's not a problem. It was more or less I was trying to coordinate um all of the revisions and then you Heidi's second review and just trying to
compile everything. >> Right. So we so we're missing a still a fair chunk of information to be >> which seems to be in process if I'm hearing me marine correctly. >> Yep. >> Okay. Mary, anything else?
>> That's it for now. Thanks. >> Okay. Are there any members of the public? Uh, let's see. Kathleen, if you could I see one raised hand. Kathleen, if you could just give us your name and address and if you have a question, just
fire away. Maren will >> Marina or Kristen will provide you with the answers. >> Okay. Kathleen Sperling, 10 Parker River Drive, um, in Biffield. Park, as you know, Parker River Drive is off of Central Court. I would just be
interested in knowing what the U members of the commission who went and did the site visit thought of the site itself because we were not able to interface with anybody um because it continues to
be flooding into um Mr. Scader's property and I believe he sent some photographs of his well which was overflowing which is close to the wetlands so that the commission could see it. So I'm just interested in what the people who went to the site visit
saw since we see it all the time. >> Kadlin, could you just give me your address again? I just want to make sure my notes are accurate because Mason, the poor guy, is sitting in his car and not very capable of uh >> Yeah, we just got we just got the
electricity back like at 5:30 here. So >> So what's your address there, Kathleen? >> And Parker River Drive. >> And Parker River. Okay. >> And I would ask that a lot of these reports be put up online so that um people could read it. >> Okay. What I would suggest, Kathleen, is
what when documents become Marin, you're thinking by the end of the week, you're going to have a majority of Heidi's initial questions answered. >> Yes. Uh that's my game plan to provide the commission and Heidi with the supplemental information.
>> Okay. So, Kathleen, what I would suggest is just reaching out to Mason Fareric, our agent, when those documents are available, and he would likely make copies for you. Um, or they could be posted to the website. I'm I'm not quite
sure what would be more timely for you or your neighbors. Well, I would I would ask them to be put onto the website because um the members of the neighborhood could read them on the website versus me getting them and then me having to send them out to the people
in the neighborhood to look at because there are people who are reading and commenting. And I believe some previous comments were sent in and I'm not sure if they were addressed or not, but um I'm just concerned about that area since
they're now going to put a street into central court with the wetlands there and the other issues are for the planning board with putting the street there. >> Okay. Mary, I think can you address her question? She was asking what your
observations were of the sitewalk. >> Sure. Um just get out of this here. We did receive some comments from neighbors and they were included in our Dropbox. Um one of them was a civil engineer. Um the the impression of this from the
sitewalk is that you know there there are the majority of that project site is out of our jurisdiction entirely. Um we only have jurisdiction over the area within the wetland and 100 ft from it and the storm water. So it extends beyond 100 ft to the extent that the
storm water runoff you know how it's captured and where it's directed to. Um you know the site is is in in disre disrepair. Um and we know and we definitely see that the wetland is is it
has an unknown origin. It appears that it might have been created at some point. It's not a very natural system and it doesn't have a very large watershed area contributing to it, but there's a very high water table there
and that's reflected in the um neighbors yards along the you know the street bordering on central the area bording central court. So I'm very sensitive to the fact that you know we have wet conditions already and we want to make sure if everything
is being the storm water is being directed in that direction that it's attenuated properly. There's no way to build a development and not increase the volume of runoff because you're creating paved surfaces and areas
are that would be ordinarily um you know rain when it falls ordinarily going into the ground. that's going to go across rooftops and pavement and into a closed drainage system. And that volume is directed into the basins and then into the wetland. That the
engineering that's required is to reduce the peak rate of discharge into the wetland. So that it can't be any higher than existing conditions. And by doing that um it should mitigate flooding
impacts on neighbors. But it's different than, you know, you you still will have a large volume of storm water runoff to handle. And so we just want to make sure that it's, you know, it's mitigated to the full
extent it's required to by D and have since none of us are pees, we're we rely on the town's um civil engineer to provide us with some confidence in that department. So if I if I understood Kristen Kristen uh correctly
the the analysis that you've provided Kristen is that there's going to be a one-/ird reduction and you have your hand raised. Why don't you just address Mary's question? >> Yeah, it's it's approximately a one-third reduction under the 100redyear
storm which is the 9 in rain event in 24 hours, >> right? um it is a much larger reduction in the smaller storms and in fact the 2-year storm we are compelled to look at storm water volumes and the storm water volume to that culvert because obviously
the entrance of that culvert is our analysis point for where the water drains from our property to that point. Um, we do have a reduction under the 2-year storm event uh to that to that culbert entrance.
>> Reduction in volume is what you're saying? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yep. And that's depicted and detailed in the uh in the mass D and the local uh storm water analyses reports that we provided uh to the town under um under
application here and uh with you know several iterations of uh of planning board >> and and you mentioned that D had done some analysis for you or something I didn't understand >> they they reviewed our analysis. >> Okay.
Okay. which is which is just part of your D store. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> And then we we we seem to always circle back to the 12-in culp and just making sure that uh you know it's functioning as as proposed. >> Yeah. And I I would mention uh we went
through the uh Scaderi property in in pretty great depth uh during the uh the planning board proceedings and what it has determined and particularly now that Moren has gone out and flagged that side
of the uh of the wetland area um is that that wetland expands over onto Mr. Scader's property. >> Uh there is actual wetland on that parcel. um which is why he sees, you know, a wet yard um up towards the front
of his property uh during the wet periods of the year because that is actual physical jurisdictional wetland. Well, maybe it's not jurisdictional. I would leave that to Moren uh because I'm assuming that's mowed lawn over there. But >> there there is certainly the uh
hydrophic soils and vegetation. I believe >> jurisdictional. Yep. >> Yeah. Okay, Kristen, I see Nino has his hand raised. Nino, if you could just give us your name and address. Uh, and if you have questions for Maren or or Kristen, uh, Christian, please fire
away. >> Nino Scaderi, three central court. Um, yeah, I mean, I I still have very big concerns. You say, you know, Christian, I mean, during the whole planning board, uh, the the leech field is going to be
ginormous, right? How many gallons of water are you going to be dumping into the the ground from that? Okay. And then you're going to be removing a lot of trees. You're going to re be removing a lot of soil that's re absorbing some of this water. Okay. My leech field failed
already after four years. Okay. Why did it fail? Is it because there's a really high water table in the area? And it varies, you know, from year to year. It it it I mean I don't care the studies you do. This is the reality of it. I'm
seeing it firsthand. Okay. Now you guys are saying my land is wetland. Why is it wetland? Is it because the culvert over years hasn't been draining properly and now my yard is all wetland? I I I mean I I just don't understand how anybody can
be entertaining a project this size in this area. Christian, can you tell me how many gallons of water this this leech field is sized for? I've asked this before. I you know, is it 40,000 gallons of water that's going to be dumped in there daily?
>> It's designed for 9,800 gallons a day. >> 9,800. So 44 There's 44 units, right? I mean, I have a three-bedroom home and it's mine size for mine's like 380 gallons a day. So, say you take 200, multiply that by
44. Yeah. About 9,000 gallons a day. So, I I just I I don't know. I'm at a >> you know, we don't have a lot of jurisdiction over this um Leechfield because it's not within the geographic area that we're covering under this filing. The conservation commission is
limited in what it can do. the board of board of health will take, you know, we'll review that. And >> that's also Joe Shawaka. Okay. >> Yep. Yep. >> I could Could the town also get another professional engineer to look at all this stuff? Um, you know, the other the
other thing was I I thought during the whole planning board, I sat in every meeting and it seemed like it was kind of pushed through because of timing and all that and they wanted to see if the road was going to get approved and then if the road didn't get approved, some other con some other uh concerns would
get addressed again during the the the next planning board phase. So if the road doesn't get that was if the road doesn't get approved by you guys, it's going back to planning board. So there may be additional concerns that planning
board had that will address if the road doesn't get cons um done. That that was my interpretation of the whole planning board. So >> could could I address that, Mr. Connor? >> Yeah, please do, David. Oh, excuse me,
Christian. >> That's quite all right. Um yeah, no the the board of health has reviewed and approved the septic system. That is a done deal. Um and all the conditions were in the order of conditions as far as the planning board approval for the
project. Just a little history for the conservation commission. We had a two-way in and out at the location of the uh the roadway on Central Street and the looking I believe it's to the
east on Central Street. We met the Ashtto safe sight distance uh at that location. Uh the board felt that they would have preferred some additional um factor of safety to that site distance, I guess we could call it. and they said,
"Well, we would really prefer that to be an entrance in and a connection for an exit lane out to central court," which is again largely why we're here before you uh during these proceedings. Uh but
that was the only issue as far as if this road fails, the exit lane I mean uh either by this commission or by DP review, then we simply go back to the approved dual entrance exit at the
central street location where that road was just narrowed up a little bit um to provide for an in uh drive only. Um that that was it. the the septic design has been approved by the board of health. Um
Deb worked with Joe uh Sirwatka simply because her mother is at a butter to this project and uh she took his his review which was again quite extensive many rounds of comments and and revisions uh but that that septic system
has been approved. >> That's Can I make a comment, Bob? >> Yeah, certainly. Yeah. I just that's confusing to me that you're saying that the board of the planning board would approve the original road layout. The whole reason
that that they came to us with this roadway across the wetland is because the planning board didn't want that and wouldn't approve it. So, um I mean it goes to whether or not this is a necessary impact or not. So if if either
the board of health I mean the planning board is going to allow it or not allow it and we maybe Woody you can >> well yeah Woody can probably jump in here but as I say we met the safe sight distance according to the Ashtto regulations
um but they they would have preferred a factor of safety to that. So they felt and they they spoke with their emergency response officials who all felt that a secondary way out of this particular project uh would be beneficial from a
public safety uh perspective. So, that's that's I believe how we left it, Woody, is in the order of conditions. If this doesn't go, we simply revert back to the two-way entrance exit at Central Street, >> which is true. The
according to the traffic studies and traffic reports, the line of sight was a the bare minimum. I think it was uh two feet from not being a passing line of sight.
And that also included disrupting the buffer in front of both 36 central um excuse me 34 central and the abuing property towards the fire station would the improvements would have to have been
made in their buffers as well and disrupting the neighbors. Um by having the exit road come out on central court. It is a the agreed upon by the traffic consultants as for both both the applicant and our our
peerreview traffic consultant more than ideal line of sight improves the line of sight incredibly and that's why we went we went with option B which was to have a one-way entrance and the exit come out on the
central court. Yeah, you can see where I'm going, Heidi, and and probably Moren, too, is that if if we're allowing wetland impact to occur, we have to it has to be demonstrated that there's not an alternative. And if there is an alternative, then that has to be used. So, we were under the impression there
wasn't an alternative, that the planning board didn't approve it. And so, they that's why we're seeing this. So, if it's still a potential alternative, I don't know that may um change a little bit.
>> Mary, part of the I'm sorry to Heidi interrupt. as part of supplemental information, I included planning board's decision >> um which you know they explicitly say in the decision that they prefer this
alternative exit roadway and that they wanted us to go to conservation with this alternative. >> Okay. >> Yeah. And I was gonna sorry chair if I can speak up. >> No, certainly. Go ahead. And yeah, and I I had just um I just recently read
through the entire uh planning board decision and and I I did note in my comments that it was they they approved it contingent upon um commission approving this, but in the language in there, it does state that should the
comm commission deny it, um it would be re reopened >> on the planning board side. There was there was not a denial. So, um, yeah, that was something important to mention as well. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well,
uh, Nino, do you have any other questions? This matter is going to be continued. >> Yes. No. May 19th, >> I just want to make sure all the due diligence is done. >> So, when Joe Sawaka reviewed everything, do we know if he knows my leechfield
failed since he's filling in for um, Deb? Is that something that I can be? You know, I tried reaching out to Joe at one point and he said, you know, I called him directly and he's like, "We're a long way away." Now all of a sudden I hear, you know, everything's done.
Everything's been approved. I I I just don't I don't get a good feeling about any of this. >> No. >> Well, why don't we do this? I think we've a lot of a lot of questions have been opened and answered. U this matter
is going to be continued. We're waiting for Marin's updated response to Heidi's uh work analysis. So, at this point, I I don't know if there's much more that's beneficial to discuss. I think
we've we've addressed a lot of these issues. Mary, I think you've raised uh an interesting point, but but I think at this time we're we're going to start going in circles here in all honesty. So,
Unless there is some new information or a new question, uh, I'm going to entertain a motion to continue this public hearing. Um, >> Mr. Chairman, um, >> yes, Mar,
>> is the Walker on board to review it? Has the commission given him permission to review the additional information? That's a question that Mason, my understanding is there's been a
discussion about looping Joe in. I don't know the status of that. Mason, if if you can we can determine what you're saying or text me. I'll >> is >> I believe where it was left off that it would be open for the board's discussion
on tonight's meeting. Um if if that if they felt that that was necessary or not. We should vote to authorize him to do it. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> All right. >> No, thank you from our input adding clarity to that. >> Okay. Um
I will entertain a motion uh to secure the services of a the storm water consultant that the town uses. >> Moved. >> Second. >> Have a second. Okay. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody?
>> Yes. >> Harry? Yes. >> Frank. >> Yes. >> David. >> Yes. >> And Bob Connors. Okay. So, the the last order of business I I think is entertaining a motion to continue the public hearing. If that's without
objection, I'm going to proceed with that motion. Okay. Hearing no objections, I'll entertain a motion to continue the public hearing at the applicant's request to our May 19th, 2026 meeting. >> So moved.
Okay. Second. >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Woody? >> Yes. >> Harry? >> Yes. >> Frank? >> Yes. >> David? >> Yes. >> And Bob Carter is our cheers. Thank you everyone and
>> thank you for all your patience. Been a long meeting. >> Thank you folks. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night. >> All right. uh June meeting schedule right now. Mason, you had proposed two meetings in
June. What I'm going to suggest is let's just schedule the June 2nd meeting and at that meeting we can make a determination if a second meeting is warranted for the month of June. >> Okay. Yeah, that sounds good. >> Okay. >> I think originally we had voted just to
have one meeting through May. So I think technically at the end end of May we actually go to to two a month in June but yeah like you said we can that can be discussed at a consequence. >> Yeah. Usually during during July and August we go back to one one meeting a month as the holidays and vacations
impact uh you know availability and quorums but >> so yeah we'll just look at that on a month. So let's do this team. I say let's just schedule one meeting a month and at that meeting we can make a determination if a second meeting in
that particular calendar month is warranted >> as long as that works for applicants because they won't know when they're filing. We have to hold a hearing within 21 days of receiving an application. So that's it. I guess it just depends on
whether we >> Yeah. >> comes in. Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. I mean, we should know that by the by that meeting or Mason can >> y >> inform me and I can call for it. So, >> okay. >> Okay. Uh, any staff reports or updates,
Mason? >> I got nothing. Hopefully, I'm back in action next meeting and actually >> I'm not in my car. >> I I I have to tell you Mason is doing Yman's work. We were talking to him about 20 minutes of six. he couldn't get
home because they they were blocking the road because of the wires being down or the pole being down and it it literally just said, "I'll figure it out." And you know, here we are. So, thank you very much, Mason. >> Good pivot. >> Yep. All right. Uh I will It is now
8:40. I will entertain a motion to adjurnn. >> So moved. >> Do we have a second? >> Okay. Roll call. All in favor? Mary? >> Yes. >> Yes. Yes. >> Frank, Harry, David. >> Yes. >> Is there a motion to reconsider?
>> All right. Listen, thank you everyone. We we we we we piled through a lot of work tonight and and thank you for your participation and your patience.