WEBVTT METADATA Video-Count: 1 Video-1: youtube.com/watch?v=0-AS1O_JyRg Part: 1 1 00:00:07.680 --> 00:00:24.320 This is the Newberry Historical Commission meeting on uh July 9th at >> 7 >> 7:27 p.m. Everybody can rise for the pledge of allegiance. I >> aliance to the flag of the United States 2 00:00:24.320 --> 00:00:44.559 of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> All right, >> that's going to look better. >> So, the agenda, um, we need to vote for 3 00:00:44.559 --> 00:00:59.840 a new chairperson and we've discussed since we're missing a member, possibly tableabling it until >> No, we didn't discuss it yet. >> We didn't discuss it. Well, we need to we need to discuss discuss it, right? Well, um because of the absence of Eva, 4 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:16.159 um something as important as selecting a new chair, I make a motion that we table that item until the next meeting. >> I'll second that. >> All in favor? >> I I >> There you go. >> Okay, 5 00:01:16.159 --> 00:01:34.040 let's review our meeting minutes. Start with Wednesday, June 17th. That was the public meeting. >> Public hearing. >> Hearing. Yes. And uh >> so Channing first introduced the historical commission. We're going to add the word commission. 6 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:56.880 >> Indeedi. >> Okay. And then um Okay. So when you look at this, it says any any building older than 1830, but then after that it says, "Please review the the demolition delay bylaw on the town website for detailed information," 7 00:01:56.880 --> 00:02:13.120 meaning the other criteria. >> Yeah, >> I think I think that's okay. >> Yeah, because I didn't want to put I wasn't putting all that in. >> No, exactly. >> Right. >> Or were you just photocopying it because nobody would ever look at it all, >> right? >> I don't think something they already have. 8 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:36.319 >> And it is. It's right on the side. I think it looks good. Does anybody find anything else? >> I move that we accept the meeting minutes of the Wednesday, June 17th public hearing uh as amended. 9 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:52.280 >> Second. >> Second. >> No. >> All in favor? >> All in favor? >> I. >> All right. >> And you have to vote last, >> right? I'm basically waiting here. Um, now we can review the Wednesday, June 25th meeting minutes. 10 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:34.640 When you're ready, there's the Reverend Bolan's name is spelled wrong. Come on, man. >> B O Y L A N. >> Then near the bottom of page two, >> B. >> I'm sorry. >> B O Y L A N. 11 00:03:34.640 --> 00:03:53.519 >> Yeah. >> Sorry, Rich. Go ahead. And at the bottom of page two, uh, we also discussed how to get our info out to Spence Pierce, Museum of Old Nub, etc. It should be Spencer Pierce. >> Really? 12 00:03:53.519 --> 00:04:10.599 >> Yeah. Spencer Pierce, Little Farm. >> I just always say Spence Pierce. I don't know why I say it incorrectly. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Now that you say that, I probably did know that. Uh, page two. Fix one. 13 00:04:10.640 --> 00:04:41.280 streaks. Nothing. >> Yeah. You see anything else? L. This this is an important one too because this is the discussion of the public meeting. 14 00:04:41.280 --> 00:04:58.720 So again five hours of typing. >> God love you. >> I uh I move that we accept the meeting minutes from Wednesday, June 25th as amended. >> Second. >> Second. 15 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:18.880 >> All right. All >> in favor? Hi. >> Hi. All right. >> Okay. Treasures report, my friend. >> Okay. I'm going to I have a draft treasures report only because I have not received my year-end uh information and 16 00:05:18.880 --> 00:05:34.880 and I can't normally I wouldn't I would just turn it in and you use the numbers that I've got, but it is year end. So, I would like to >> and that's so this so I have a draft. It's the uh 2026 fiscal year 26 year end 17 00:05:34.880 --> 00:05:53.600 uh draft and uh so what are we so so the final cost for the portaotties was $1,000 uh and $1.15 and uh additional supplies that I picked up. Uh, I uh, also I kind of warned 18 00:05:53.600 --> 00:06:08.319 everybody I was going to try and pick up some of the mannequins, right? >> Uh, uh, before the year was out, I picked up two mannequins, a child and and a child we're going to use for a teacher. She's got an older looking face. Y, 19 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:25.360 >> she's standing that the child is is is seated. >> Sweet. >> And I also picked up a what they call a prairie dress. Uh, so it's a it's it's it's not antique, but it's from the early 1900s. >> Um, but uh >> styled or like a reproduction? 20 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:41.600 >> Styled. Yeah, styled. And it's and it's from the it was made in the 70s. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Uh the 1970s, >> right? >> Um I figured. >> Yeah. Right. >> Is that all on your you're reading it off of there, right? >> Yes. >> Okay, good. And I can check it. 21 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:59.919 >> Yeah. I can I can give you this. It's just I considered a draft until I get the >> documentation. I don't have it yet. So, the special fund uh voila, that will be restored. Uh they're going to be setting it up under our old number and so it'll 22 00:06:59.919 --> 00:07:15.120 be that kind of a the thing that that we can move year to year would be a special fund. >> Good. >> And I don't have the exact amount for that yet. the what passed was 3500 uh and we had only lost 345667. 23 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:31.440 So we made a little money on >> if we get that if we get that all the >> interest we're taking it >> um the um so that's special article fund. So on this one it still shows up as missing. Yep. >> Cuz as as of as of the year end it wasn't it wasn't set up. Now we'll be 24 00:07:31.440 --> 00:07:47.599 that's and I talked to Eva about it. She's in the process of setting it up. Uh, and then the gifts account, we had a total of recorded donations of $155. And so the giving a summary of the 25 00:07:47.599 --> 00:08:10.840 accounts, the general account has $5423 left in it at the year end. Special account has zero in it. Um, the gifts account has $2,867.65. So, uh, officially we have $2,921.88 26 00:08:10.960 --> 00:08:27.840 left. That's, uh, carried, uh, carrying into the new year. So, we we left $54 on >> 54. What can we buy for $54? >> Well, it's too late. >> Oh, is it too late? All right. >> Yeah. >> And and I bought the reason first. This 27 00:08:27.840 --> 00:08:44.159 is This is here to Jan thought we should have more of these, so I bought another dozer of these. They're on the tables at the school. Yeah, >> that's why that's why I brought that home. >> I was going to say like five bottles of water. So when we're there, we have water to drink. >> Yeah. Yeah. I guess that's 28 00:08:44.159 --> 00:09:00.080 >> that's it. So >> So this um this is draft. I'm I'm going to give it to you. Okay. >> Because it'll it like likelihood it'll be final. So, I'll just give you a cop. I didn't make copies because of that. 29 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:15.040 >> It's quite a red. >> Um, what else? The other thing we're going to have to do when we decide who our chairperson is going to be, uh, I have a stamp with Channing's >> Oh, thing. >> Put a new make a new name. 30 00:09:15.040 --> 00:09:31.200 >> Yeah. And And I only use that if we voted on approving a purchase in the meeting. >> Yep. So, so everybody knows that if if if I if I went off and got something on my own and and and >> file for it, then I then well then I' 31 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:46.880 I'd get I'll need original signature. >> Yeah, >> this I have permission to do this on things we agreed on in the meetings. >> So, uh we got this uh >> so we'll need a new >> Staples, I believe. Yeah, we'll have to get somebody's signature whoever the chairperson is and go for it. So, that's 32 00:09:46.880 --> 00:10:03.440 the treasures report. Yeah. Okay. >> And >> what's the Sorry. What's the um It's the same, right? Make a motion to accept the treasures report. >> One other thing, one other thing. I 33 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:18.320 don't know what Channing sent in for our budget. Uh I asked Eva and I can't interpret what I got back for an answer. So, >> I can send it to you. >> Um 34 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:36.079 >> I have to do it. Do what? >> The budget. The budget. >> Oh, do you do it? >> Yeah. >> What did you ask for? >> I don't know. >> Oh, >> it was months ago. >> Oh, okay. >> Well, the reason I'm asking is what's this >> SW5500? 35 00:10:36.079 --> 00:10:51.920 >> It's to celebrate the historical commission celebrate and restore $5,500. See, I don't did Channing put something in for that. Is is that the the what is our fun that came from? >> That's what I got. 36 00:10:51.920 --> 00:11:08.240 >> Give it to her. Let her >> with no interpretation. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, I'll I'll again I'll know exactly what we got when when when they when they give me the thing and and I normally have that before this meeting. >> So, this is unusual. It's probably because it's year end. 37 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:23.279 >> So, anyway. >> Okay. >> So, I don't know what our budget is for next year and >> we're in next year, right? >> We're in next year. I don't know what the budget is >> for this year. >> Okay. I I know I know what our what our gifts donation moving forward is. I'm pretty sure I know what the special fund 38 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:40.399 is. 3500. I have no idea what our general fund is. >> And isn't it usually like $2,000? >> Usually 2,000. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh but but I know that that we were we were trying to get >> money to do more with the mannequins and the clothing for for the kids and 39 00:11:40.399 --> 00:11:55.920 anything else that we decided we got. Oh, we did uh new new town flag. >> I when I pulled the thing down to look at it, the American flag still looks okay. >> Y I got a really good one last time. We paid more for it at least four years now, I think. 40 00:11:55.920 --> 00:12:11.839 >> So anyway, um >> Okay. So, okay. I I move that we accept the draft treasures report as presented. >> A second. All right. All in favor? >> I >> I >> All right. All right. >> You want the screen? 41 00:12:11.839 --> 00:12:27.760 >> Yes. Thank you. >> Yeah. I I don't I wouldn't put any numbers in here because I don't know what they are. So, >> yeah. Well, I have it on the computer, >> but I'll find out mystery email. I have it on the computer. >> Oh, okay. Well, if they funded the full amount, which we don't know. >> Now, you're up for your lower green We 42 00:12:27.760 --> 00:12:43.839 have we haven't met. So I'm I'm I'm not sure >> waiting for the next round. >> Nothing nothing going on. >> We don't we don't know whether the uh select board has selected a >> a team a commission. >> I know they're collecting names. Okay. So they got a couple names. >> So there's some movement there. 43 00:12:43.839 --> 00:12:58.720 >> Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. >> All right. That's encouraging. >> Yeah. I won't I won't mention the names I heard, but the people telling me rather than Yeah. Yeah. >> All right. Um, that's all then. Okay. 44 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:16.160 Website report basically the same. Um, I reached out to the church because I couldn't find Reverend Bolan's direct email. There was like a form thing on a website and I was like that's not going to go anywhere. And then they want me to talk to like the music guy cuz he's the 45 00:13:16.160 --> 00:13:30.959 one that probably recorded it. I have to figure that out. But um, he's got a lot of stuff on YouTube, but I think these are audio recordings. Yeah, at least that's what Channing said. So, I I just want to make sure that I'm looking for the correct >> Y >> presentation, but u I don't think it'll 46 00:13:30.959 --> 00:13:47.519 be a problem because basically like we can give you permission. You just have to narrow down what it is. It's like all right. So, that's my that's my next step. >> Yeah. I mean, if it's if it's a an audio recording on YouTube, >> right? I just want >> you get his permission. We should be a do we need to do anything else to link 47 00:13:47.519 --> 00:14:03.440 it? >> I don't think so. I mean, >> need permission from Google or >> No, no, no. I think, you know, it's just I want them to like know we're doing it obviously and then um make sure it's, >> you know, on there. Um anyways, that's it. Okay. Um now we're in 48 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:18.639 correspondence. Whenever you're ready, my friend. I don't know. Open-ended question. >> No. Well, before I was told that everything we get was not correspondence anymore, so I don't know. >> Oh, email is correspondence. 49 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:36.079 >> Well, I know he's not hearing. >> Yeah, he doesn't get to say >> we um did we go through the June 25th old thing the agenda? >> Yeah. Did we we accept it? >> We accepted that. 50 00:14:36.079 --> 00:14:52.639 >> Okay. Cuz I got No. Okay. That's this one. >> Yeah. The spelling of Sorry. Yes. Okay. >> Spelling of Spencer. >> Oh, yeah. That was it. Now I remember. >> It's all a blur. 51 00:14:52.639 --> 00:15:26.800 >> I wish it were. Okay, so the 25th is done, right? Yep. Close that one off. That's tool. What are we waiting on me for? >> Email from I think Sunset Boulevard, 52 00:15:26.800 --> 00:15:42.000 >> unless there's other emails. >> Well, we have trails and sales information. >> Yep. >> Um I saw that. >> Are we doing extended hours or trails and sales? >> I mean, I always feel like we get a couple of people. I mean, I don't personally think it needs to be the whole time. 53 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:58.959 >> It's the 12th through the 27th of September. >> Whoa. >> Right. It's a long time. >> We don't open extra days. >> No, we don't open extra days, but we got to usually stay >> make sure we know what they're going to put in their announcements. >> Yeah. So, if if we're one to three, they it's like I think it was like 11 or 54 00:15:58.959 --> 00:16:14.720 something. >> Yeah, it was like 11 to three. Yeah. >> Yeah. Cuz we split them some of them. >> Two. Yeah. Two shifts. >> Okay. Eva might know, but I >> we might want to have two people. 55 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:30.959 >> Yeah. I mean, if >> we can decide what we're going to do every year. We they might have an event on one weekend going up, you know, special event and we expect a lot of people and that other >> Yeah, we'll probably get a lot of people when they do if they do, you know, the Dole House or if they do the Spencer 56 00:16:30.959 --> 00:16:47.440 Pierce little farm, people will come come by. Actually, I did I did Coffin House for the first time, the Coffin House tour, >> and uh when when they were done, I said, "And if you're not sick of history yet, the schoolhouse is still open. Good for you. 57 00:16:47.440 --> 00:17:02.639 >> That was fun. The coffin that's pretty interesting. >> I haven't done that one. >> I had one visitor this last weekend and he stayed an hour and a half. >> Oh, he was just he was trying to find information >> and we went through the coffins. We went 58 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:17.600 through all the books and he wanted to know >> what boat they came over on and and and we found the date that where he was where Thomas Hail was uh a m what do you call man or whatever it was a free man I 59 00:17:17.600 --> 00:17:33.760 >> so but it looks like he came over on a in in 34. So the first book >> so the Mary and John >> cool >> but we we don't have it yet. So >> he he was going to do more research. I told him to go to the test and talk to 60 00:17:33.760 --> 00:17:50.080 >> Right. >> But he was that was fun cuz it was it was hot and and and then he was the only person there the whole time. So >> goes by fast and >> he was there playing my guitar for two hours. >> Yeah. >> Okay. 61 00:17:50.080 --> 00:18:06.240 I found Trails and Sales. >> Okay. Pearl ebook. See, I told you I had some 10 to three. I thought I signed up to 11 to three, but it came back with a 10:00 start. >> Oh, wait. >> 10 to three. Huh. >> 10 to three. >> And what are the dates? 62 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:22.240 >> Pretty much all of September after Labor Day, right? >> So that's if it's two shifts, that's two and a half hours each. >> Yeah. >> It's the 12th to the 27th. >> Yeah. So Labor Day is the 7th. So it's 63 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:37.919 like two weeks. >> Yeah. The last >> last two weeks of September. All right. So that's that's only that should only add to what 4 days. >> Yeah, it's both week. Yeah, you're just >> So it's just two weekends. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's not so bad. 64 00:18:37.919 --> 00:18:54.160 >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So everybody gets kind of stuck with one of them >> and we'll have another meeting that we'll figure it out >> long before September. We'll be able to figure that out. >> Okay. >> So it's randomly printed. 65 00:18:54.160 --> 00:19:14.000 >> Yeah. Well, probably, you know, because they work here. >> I know. It is funny. I forget. >> Just visiting. Um I did find I I do have one piece of correspondence was which was the email that um Channing sent to Peter. Peter, the town 66 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:29.039 of Newbury Historical Commission met on the 25th of June. At that meeting, the board voted unanimously that 25 high road is designated preferably preserved. This starts the ninemonth delay on whatever 67 00:19:29.039 --> 00:19:45.919 day you designate. Well, I suppose whether it was that day or Yeah. >> So, I haven't heard anything back. >> So, I'll check it. >> Yeah. I was thinking it was the 17th because we only have 21 days to put that out. Yeah. >> And I didn't know that went out. 68 00:19:45.919 --> 00:20:02.080 >> Yeah. >> So, >> so he's been notified. So, the 21 days is good. >> So, yeah, because we don't have to notify the town. It just states just the building uh inspector >> and then this letter here is going to go to whoever who send it to Tracy send the 69 00:20:02.080 --> 00:20:17.039 select board or >> to select >> posted or you know I don't know who if there's a general place you you would send that >> because it doesn't say it just says we have to notify the town. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I assume I mean administration 70 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:32.640 not the entire town. So, I did I apparently did not print out these emails. Um, but I I did I did print out the reply and I said, "Good day, Tracy. The historical commission met last Thursday. We voted to direct to declare 71 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:54.880 the property to be preferably preserved and invoked the 9-month delay." >> Yep. >> So, right, >> that's done. >> So, that's good. We still have uh the 16th 72 00:20:54.880 --> 00:21:11.840 is when is is is when the dropped yet we if we don't have it by if we hadn't notified them by the 16th that's a week >> then they could issue the they could tear it down. >> Yeah. >> Then we would have >> So we've got our >> Mr. I don't think at this point they're looking for a loophole frankly but 73 00:21:11.840 --> 00:21:28.159 >> you know we're still we're still covered. >> We don't want to give one. >> No. Well, we'll probably have this out and this tells everybody that reads this that you know that that it's been >> Yep. >> preserved in the >> preserved. >> Okay. So, this is the letter that >> Yeah. I don't know when where that falls 74 00:21:28.159 --> 00:21:47.520 into the into the minutes. >> It can fall right now if you want. >> That's correspondence. Okay. >> It's correspondence. >> I'll go. >> So, there's >> Thank you. So it's so it's it's use heavyweight paper when you print money. 75 00:21:47.520 --> 00:22:04.320 >> I don't like flimsy paper. It bothers me. >> It's costing you twice as much. >> I don't know. I recycle what I don't use at least. Okay. So this is a draft. It obviously needs the headers and it needs the you know have a happy new year 76 00:22:04.320 --> 00:22:21.679 whatever at the bottom. But uh what I what I what I what I do is I notify them so everybody that reads this knows that it passed it and it and it fits into the so somebody in the town doesn't say I didn't I wasn't notified >> and therefore you you know we're going 77 00:22:21.679 --> 00:22:37.919 to tear the building down. >> So anyway, so here's a suggestion. We could we could we could pro let's scan it first, but why does they take their copy home and I'll send an electronic version, too. Yep. >> And then edit it because we've got time, 78 00:22:37.919 --> 00:22:53.840 >> right? You know, I've got before it has to go out and then I'll make a final version. >> Okay. >> I'm sure I won't find anything wrong. >> So, what I do is so I so this >> it's it's issued uh following determination this this is being issued 79 00:22:53.840 --> 00:23:09.039 because we made the determination it's preferably preserved. Okay. So and then then it goes into discussion the commission having and it gives the definitions of what everybody is you know we're the commission there the there there's the structure and then 80 00:23:09.039 --> 00:23:24.720 there's the applicant the commission having determined that that that it's a a significant structure is located preferably preserve is notifying the building commissioner and the town of Newberry the owner in writing that no demolition permit may be issued for the 81 00:23:24.720 --> 00:23:41.840 structure for a period of 9 months from the date determined and and it's uh 25 June. Unless otherwise agreed by the commission, so we can always say we changed our mind. Upon determination of the commission that the structure was preserved, no building permit for new 82 00:23:41.840 --> 00:23:59.039 construction on the lot or the structure shall be issued for a period of 9 months from the date blah blah blah. And and and it references the section of the DDB that this comes from. Y. So, this is telling them you can't do anything with the building, right? You can't. Yeah. 83 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:15.679 >> The building commission may only issue a demolition permit uh or building permit for a preferably preserved structure within a 9-month period uh if the commission notifies them that it's okay to do it in writing. So, it's just and 84 00:24:15.679 --> 00:24:32.080 that's uh section 411. >> Yep. Uh once the significant construction is determined to be preserved, the owner had responsibility for securing the property. Well, they've done all this. This is all done, but it references section 51. >> The commission and or the building 85 00:24:32.080 --> 00:24:48.240 commissioner are authorized to institute any and all actions and proceedings in law as they deem necessary and appropriate to obtain compliance with the requirements of the thing. So the commission uh uh working uh with the 86 00:24:48.240 --> 00:25:04.080 with the building uh stuff we we make all the decisions. >> Yep. >> Yeah. Not it's not the select board. It's not Tracy. Yeah. >> Uh during the 9-month period following the commission's determination the structure is preferably preserved any negotiations 87 00:25:04.080 --> 00:25:20.480 >> uh that that have uh entered in by the owner and so on. And what it's saying basically is if you found some solution to the problem and and oops, we just ran over the timeline. >> Yep. >> You can still implement that solution. >> Yep. >> So that's all that's basically what it 88 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:37.200 says. And it references section 7.2. >> Should negotiations to purchase that's that's the same thing basically. >> Yep. Uh during the 9-month period following the commissioner's determination that the structure is preserved, the commission shall advise 89 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:54.000 the building commissioner in writing to issue the demolition permit without waiting for the period to expire. So if we if we think if that nothing's going to happen, >> uh they they've come up with a description of what they want to do with the property. Uh there seems to be a 90 00:25:54.000 --> 00:26:09.200 general consess consensus. We can we can say, "Yeah, go ahead." >> Yep. We could we can take it get it off. And uh if the commission decides that and those are the three terms y three things underneath that and that comes 91 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:26.880 from 74. And then and then at the bottom here's a list of alternatives to demolition because the structure has been been determined uh has been imposed. The applicant will begin to work with the commission that's us uh looking uh looking toward alternatives 92 00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:42.720 of for demol alternatives for demolition. Is that is that English correct? Looking toward al looking just say four, right? Looking for alternatives. >> Yeah, looking for 93 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:58.159 >> Okay, so I'm editing while we're going. Um the commission ordinarily requests applicants to explore several options before considering lifting the demolition. So we're knowing we're telling them basically you don't do anything we're 94 00:26:58.159 --> 00:27:14.240 not going to you know lift the the restriction. Yep. >> If you come up with something that seems reasonable and and so on then we then we can um each so now these are some of the things you can do. Each building is different and therefore options for 95 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:30.640 preservations preservation vary but may include keeping the structure uh for for previous or alternative use offering the structure for sale. That probably wouldn't happen if somebody had to pick it up and haul it away. >> Yeah. >> Uh because I don't think we're going to 96 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:46.960 sell the property. Partial renovation or re rehabilitation of existing structure including new additions. And this just a list of things they can do. >> Yep. And then the demolition delay uh may be lifted at any time. If the historical mission is satisfied, there 97 00:27:46.960 --> 00:28:03.360 is no reasonable likelihood that either the new the owner or some other person would be willing to purchase, preserve, rehabilitate or restore the building or that the historical commission is satisfied that uh for at least 6 months the owner has made continuing bonafide 98 00:28:03.360 --> 00:28:19.520 efforts uh to locate a purchaser and so on. So if they are they acting in good faith? Yep. >> Very nice one. >> Okay. So >> So is that going to go into the paper? >> No, this goes to the top. This goes to the >> Oh, to the select. >> It goes to the town of Newbury, 99 00:28:19.520 --> 00:28:36.480 >> right? Which is the >> And I'm not sure who that is. >> I' I'd say the select board. >> Probably the select board, but I think we should Tracy should get >> Tracy should get it as well. >> Get a CC of it, but >> yeah. And then uh and then and then the town of the uh building person. So this 100 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:51.679 this this is what because I didn't know we had that. >> Yep. >> I didn't know that Shannon did that. >> Yep. >> So this would be this is to fulfill that 4.9 or whatever it was that uh that that basically says you got to notify him 101 00:28:51.679 --> 00:29:07.200 within 20 days 21 days after the vote. >> And that that 21 days occurs on the 25th. So it'd be nice if we could get this edited, get it to Jan, and then and then send it out. I mean before that date. It's just it's 102 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:23.360 just it's just it's just doubling up >> that we met, >> you know, that we met the criteria. >> Yep. >> Yeah. So, and then and then it's it's got to be put on a on a letter head. >> Yeah. Letter Y. >> I don't know who signs it. Probably >> it has to be. Sure. >> Yeah. 103 00:29:23.360 --> 00:29:38.159 >> Which is fine. >> So, okay. So, I I'll send everybody the electronic versions. >> Okay. >> And then just send the edits to me and don't won't be any discussion. I'll incorporate certain ones in. Yep. because because we we we can't we can't discuss it again. 104 00:29:38.159 --> 00:29:53.600 >> I don't think there's too many unless you see anything major. I don't think there's too many discussing is you'd find a typo, I think. >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. Find that or or a question because this this is pretty much verbatim out of out of section 49. >> That's what I'm saying. I think it's 105 00:29:53.600 --> 00:30:09.919 probably fine the way it is. >> Yep. Except for that one going to change toward four. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That Okay. This is this this this this is stuff I put together a long time ago. Yep. >> But it's not it's not in any any voted on document. This is this is fine. 106 00:30:09.919 --> 00:30:26.720 >> Yeah. This is just research. Yep. >> What what other towns have done? >> Yep. >> Good. Good. >> All right. Any other correspondence? >> 15 Sunset. >> Oh, you got more. I'm sorry. >> We almost done. 107 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:44.000 >> Does Does it make sense? So, everybody has seen this before, but what I did is I went through and and added it up. So, now it's it it's kind of an attachment. >> Makes a good package. Yeah. >> Yeah. That makes it a package. I I will send this to with the red. 108 00:30:44.000 --> 00:31:01.840 >> And if anybody has any other And this isn't all redone. I I just It's a document. I just It's a something I cut and pasted. >> Yeah. >> Uh as a as an image. Yeah. >> An image. So, it was already written. Um, and then there's if if anybody has 109 00:31:01.840 --> 00:31:19.120 any comments on on this, but what all it is is here's here out of the DDB. >> Yep. >> These are all the ones that apply to this case. >> Yep. >> Which we went through when we approved it. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Right. >> So, you're everybody's approved it and then the reds are my my additional 110 00:31:19.120 --> 00:31:35.600 edits. >> Okay. >> Because because this was we're going to vote on it. >> Yep. >> This is here's what we've decided to do. So the tenses has changed. So >> okay. So so you'll get this. You'll get you'll get both of these in an email. Okay. Now and then Eva 111 00:31:35.600 --> 00:31:51.519 too, of course. But >> give her something to read. >> Okay. Sorry, I forgot about that. >> That's okay. >> I think we all >> I have to create letter. >> Yeah, do we? >> Yeah. Okay. >> Which one? >> Not with not with your changes. >> Not with the changes. Okay. 112 00:31:51.519 --> 00:32:21.919 >> Yeah. cuz that's that's looking forward to the fact that we're going to have a hearing. We're going to take a vote and that this this says it's happened. >> Gotcha. >> Okay, I'm done. >> All righty. That's good. Okay. So, we got two things in here. 113 00:32:21.919 --> 00:32:40.480 So that takes care of the script. Did you do anything with Venmo account? >> Are we done with correspondence? >> Oh, that was This is like paper. >> Oh, I didn't. >> Yeah, definitely look into that because I think that's a good way to collect 114 00:32:40.480 --> 00:32:56.799 money from for >> What was I supposed to do? I'm sorry. >> You wrote it. >> I know. I remember. Remember, we wanted to look into seeing setting one up. >> Oh, yeah. Just so so it would be sitting on it. >> Yeah. >> Jess has one that's on her paintings. 115 00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:12.640 Yeah. If somebody wants to buy it, they >> just do the Yeah. QR code and boom. >> Yeah. >> Donate to donate to our cause. >> The only Morris. I just really dislike >> what QR codes. >> They're everywhere. Not Not my house. >> Well, not in my house, but like wherever 116 00:33:12.640 --> 00:33:28.960 you go in the world, it's like you don't >> the QR codes. It's like >> Okay. So the next >> some restaurants that's all you get. >> Well, I was at my son's like orientation for school and they like put up QR code. They're like here, you know, like scan this quickly and like do whatever on your phone. I'm like >> half the restaurants you go into now 117 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:45.200 instead of giving a menu. >> I hate that cuz like if you don't have good Wi-Fi in the restaurant, like you're sitting there like waiting for it to load. I hate that. >> No, if they if they'll say goodbye. >> Either give me a menu, I'm out of here. >> Yeah. >> Sure. I wouldn't be the only person that'll say that over the age of 50. 118 00:33:45.200 --> 00:34:00.799 >> Much rather something tactile. And this is a lot smaller. >> Yeah, that's what I mean. >> Than this. >> You're like you're zooming in. >> Trying to read it. Yeah. >> All right. So, we're good on this stuff, right? >> Well, I don't know. Are we done with >> We're not done with correspondence yet because we haven't got to 15. 119 00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:17.440 >> No, but we're all done with the other stuff. Yes. >> The letter that's going to be done and all that. Okay. So, we'll move on to >> 15 Sunset Boulevard. >> Sunset Drive. >> Is it drive? Yeah. Oh, >> I just looked it up. It doesn't say that 120 00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:34.119 when on the things that I got. >> Says it on the thing that you forwarded me. >> Does it? >> Yeah. >> My goodness. >> I obviously need a keeper at this point. >> Here you go. See? 121 00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:59.839 >> All righty then. We just watched movie signs phone signs were so cool. >> Oh yeah, creepy. That's a good point. >> One of our summer movies. >> I went and saw Young Washington. It was excellent. >> Really? >> Yeah. Totally worth it. We We went to 122 00:34:59.839 --> 00:35:16.240 Mthuan, the Mthuan delivery tree, and I was like, "Let's go to Mthuan." It was really entertaining. >> And there's a new movie coming out was like one of the trailers was all about Hershey. >> Yeah. and like him building the the truck for company and I'm like definitely Yeah, we definitely need to see that. That would look also very cool. 123 00:35:16.240 --> 00:35:31.440 >> Have you been down there? >> No, but >> getting a little old parks. >> I'm surprised we didn't do that one year cuz we used to drive like down that direction to go to Michigan. >> But the gardens are incredible. >> Really? >> Yeah. Hershey gardens. >> I would like that. I I mean, my kids 124 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:47.760 like amusement parks still. >> They got some wicked. >> They go on some roller coasters. Yeah, absolutely. >> I love roller coasters. I don't the older I get the more I like don't like the you know the super scary stuff. >> Anybody want this? >> I'll take one. >> This is off the >> 15 Sunset Drive. 125 00:35:47.760 --> 00:36:06.400 >> Yes. >> Yes. This is off the This is what it looks like, >> right? Yeah. >> Where Which side is this on? This is going towards >> heading towards the big parking big parking lot, right? That No, the reservation. 126 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:21.920 >> No. So you you're coming onto the island before the parking lot. You go right. >> Right. Well, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah. So you go that way. >> Sunset goes that way and boulevard goes that way. I mean sunset. >> So it's literally like right there. Okay. I wasn't sure how far down it was. 127 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:38.960 >> Yeah. And it's like the second or third house practically. >> Okay. >> On the right hand side if you leftand side when you're going towards the reservation. >> So >> I know somebody who lives right there. Is it is it it's it's right next to the road. Yeah. >> Yeah. You can see it, but you can see it 128 00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:53.520 from the road. >> So, elevation is is minimal. >> Well, the question becomes because it's on sunset, I have to >> um I don't have their >> That's what >> that's my friend's house. 129 00:36:53.520 --> 00:37:08.800 >> Actual. >> Interesting. Okay. >> So, they um this is the plan of what they want to do. Grandmother's house. Oh, I see. build. >> Okay, this is what they want us to do. 130 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:30.320 Let me see. >> Huh. All right. I mean, >> that's interesting. Google Maps can't find it. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> Oh, really? I >> We drove by this this morning. 131 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:46.800 >> That says Sunset Club. That's it. Is it? So, all right. So, it is on stilts. Okay. >> 15 Sunset Drive the spot the red. >> Okay, I see it. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So, >> so Oh, I didn't hear I wanted to zoom 132 00:37:46.800 --> 00:38:03.200 back so you can see where it is. >> Okay, >> there you go. >> Trying to imagine I thought I would zoom back. >> Yep. Okay. >> Yeah. So, it's just off the road. >> Is that the one? Is that where all the steel is going in already? >> No. No, that's that that was Plum Island Grill, right? 133 00:38:03.200 --> 00:38:20.880 >> I think they're building a condo shop and ice cream shop. Yeah, it's done a lot of things over the millennia that I've lived on. >> Yeah, at least it's on stilts, >> right? That's what I I wanted to see cuz I was amazed that it didn't look at it 134 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:37.119 first, but when you really look at the the elevation, you can see them. >> When you can't flush your toilet and there's still water. Well, don't forget you're on the island now and everything that gets done to a certain amount, if it's a certain percentage of an increase, which you can only have a certain percentage of an 135 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:52.320 increase, >> right? >> It has to go on pilings. >> I'm 6 feet in the air. >> One bedroom. >> Really? >> Yeah. Okay. So, well, it's only like 500 ft. It's like the tin view, huh? Smaller than my son's house. That's amazing. 136 00:38:52.320 --> 00:39:10.160 >> Um, okay. So, here's the mail. Um this is inspectional services says we got your um request communication and we'll share it with the zoning board at next week's meeting. 137 00:39:10.160 --> 00:39:26.640 This is from the 6th. So >> So is this from the owner? This is from Chrissy and the indust inspectional services >> to J Martell who is the person who requested 138 00:39:26.640 --> 00:39:44.240 >> so this is this is a demolition delay bylaw who's triggered >> yeah this is our supposedly >> we haven't determined that yet um she told him that they will share with the next week's meeting at with the 139 00:39:44.240 --> 00:40:00.720 zoning board and that Peter already has a copy and we'll deal with the demolition permit and rules and regs when it comes in from Jerry. That's >> so they haven't actually got they haven't even they haven't got a permit request yet was my understanding from the 140 00:40:00.720 --> 00:40:17.440 >> it's the way it looks. >> Yeah. >> Um >> so they're just feeling it out basically. >> I saw Jan's conservation of receipt meaning me so that we know that we had it and uh I will check in with her. So, this is the the mail that was sent that 141 00:40:17.440 --> 00:40:32.640 they want to bring attention, but the person who sent this is not the homeowner, >> right? Which confused me when I first read it. >> Yeah. >> Oh, wow. Really? This building was in 1890. >> Yeah. Well, we can't prove that. >> Yeah. 142 00:40:32.640 --> 00:40:49.839 >> Cuz I spent 4 hours trying to do it, did it? >> I mean, it was a very busy day. So, I call I call the um How many of these little buildings are left on the island? >> Not many. There's very few of them. 143 00:40:49.839 --> 00:41:05.520 >> This is what they used to call the camps, right? >> Yeah. >> Mine the house next to me was just a little bit bigger than that when I really before I was born. >> Is your son's pretty small, too? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. His is closer to original. 144 00:41:05.520 --> 00:41:20.640 >> Yeah. >> Really? >> His but his was 1930. >> Yeah. But it's a like the building is still pretty much original to what it was. >> Hasn't been like heavily renovated in anywhere. >> No, >> except what I did. >> Well, it was once. >> That's There was no bedroom in the 145 00:41:20.640 --> 00:41:35.839 middle. >> Right. It used to be one big room. >> Gotcha. But that added a wall. They had three sets of double bed bunks. >> Right. Right. Right. >> And up and down. Six sets of humans could sleep there. 146 00:41:35.839 --> 00:41:51.359 Don't forget we didn't have, you know, we're lucky we had toilets, right? No, absolutely. So, it was >> Yeah. You had 10 ft between the septic system and the wellhead. >> So, this Did I already get Did I give you guys this the information? I don't think so. 147 00:41:51.359 --> 00:42:10.240 Okay. >> This is from >> Yes, this is You did you sign this email? >> It did email it. I read it. I don't >> No, I read it. >> I read it. >> So, I tried >> That's what I was doing when I was sweating on the patio this afternoon. I 148 00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:26.640 was making sure these things >> I tried to go back and verify the date and the furthest I can go back on the registry of deeds is 149 00:42:26.640 --> 00:42:43.920 I just saw the date 1967. >> Really? >> Yeah. It makes me wonder like is it because the numbers are off before then or something. >> Here's the reason. The land in in the Plum Island section of Newbury, Essex County with buildings constituting 150 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:59.680 whatever it's because it was part of the it's land of the Plum Island Beach Company. So they have all the records or it's just vague because >> Well, that was like that was this is 1923, >> right? 151 00:42:59.680 --> 00:43:15.040 >> Right. So the date that's in I asked the assessora the date that's on the town website was a was an estimate. It it can't it's not really proven 152 00:43:15.040 --> 00:43:32.000 >> and I can't I can't prove it either. I mean I went through so there is I printed a thing on the town. I'm uh >> I don't know. From the style of that, would you guess 18 >> 90? 153 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:47.680 >> No. >> No. I would think more like 1910. >> Yeah. 1925 >> at max kind of in that like very simple era >> which would make which kind of makes sense datewise. I mean it's still old. I don't 154 00:43:47.680 --> 00:44:01.920 >> there may have been a building there in 1890 >> and then this but this isn't it. Yeah. Well, a lot of it was land that wasn't built on until they actually subdivided it. >> They literally started planting things 155 00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:18.079 of houses on it. Where the heck is the thing? >> It's 500 square ft of house. Yep. >> It's like a big closet. >> Yeah. >> You know, I mean, it's so small in today's standard. >> The size is 850. >> The information that the letter that we 156 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:35.040 got is from J. Martell who is an a butter from what I understand and he is not the owner of the property. So I I think personally that there might be 157 00:44:35.040 --> 00:44:50.880 an issue there. >> It lends to that >> and it's it's not it's not of our concern. >> No. >> If they're going to have an issue because they they don't want someone to build. >> Yeah. They just don't want somebody to build. They don't care about the building. 158 00:44:50.880 --> 00:45:08.640 >> So that's Yeah. I mean, >> oh, here it is. >> I'm happy that the design that they're proposing is not something overbearing and giant right there. Like I think >> and the reason that they're doing it >> is cuz she's has a disability. 159 00:45:08.640 --> 00:45:26.000 >> Yes. The man's wife has serious >> mobility problems and wants one floor living. >> This is one floor living. Yeah, that's >> No, that's not the house. >> That's not the house they're planning. >> No, >> that's the house that's there, >> right? But there's also I think a house 160 00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:43.440 next door. They own two lots of They owned two lots, I believe. >> So, they're trying to >> This is complicated. >> So, they're going to be opening this up and tearing something else down. >> So, here we go. The build. This is from >> Plum Island in the early years. This is from the book, the Plum Island book. 161 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:59.359 >> The building boom. The first summer cottage, the Simpson house, was erected in 1881. This is like when the hotel was there. >> Yep. And the railroad >> and the building booming began in earnest in 86. 162 00:45:59.359 --> 00:46:16.720 >> But on July 20th of 19 on July 30th of 1920, the Plum Island Beach Company purchased Plum Island's Newbury section. >> Yep. So they didn't buy anything until 1920. 163 00:46:16.720 --> 00:46:30.160 >> Yeah. >> So that's not 1800s. >> Yeah. >> For starters, um the company that built the road that's now Northern Boulevard installed electricity and divided the land into lots 164 00:46:30.160 --> 00:46:47.200 >> in 1920. So >> yeah, I don't know where he gets that 1890 date. They they don't they can't give me a reason where it came from except that it was there. >> And is >> again there may have been a structure 165 00:46:47.200 --> 00:47:05.760 there in 1890. >> Yeah. >> But >> but is it sure didn't look like that? >> Is early 20th century camp and cottage vernacular something that we feel is historically significant that we want to preserve. >> Um I mean >> I mean do we want to preserve the clam 166 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:20.800 shacks? >> Yeah. you know, that that's that that's kind of what we're looking at. And and and if there's there's only How many did you say? >> That's what I was saying. How many are left? Like that's really it. It depends on where you are on the island. Some people still just have cottages. >> Yeah. 167 00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:38.079 >> They don't live there. >> They don't live there like at all in the winter. Like they're they're only there in the summer. >> The only difference is that now we have water and sewer, which we didn't have. >> Yeah. >> When I was a kid. So we had a cottage and we had rain bottist. 168 00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:53.760 My son still got a sister. >> Well, actually we had empty >> That's good for droughts. Like the oil things like you'd have in the basement of your house, >> right? >> We had my father hooked three of them together. >> That was your water. >> Collect all the water. >> Rain water. And everything was soft as 169 00:47:53.760 --> 00:48:10.000 get all get your hair was like silk because it was so soft. There was nothing >> interesting >> stretched out of it, you know. >> No minerals at all. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, but >> it's basically distilled water. >> I mean, there's a couple of houses up the street, the next street over I think that look that are the same kind of 170 00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:24.400 >> Yeah. >> Stout, have not been really overdone, redone, raised. >> There was something very similar to this on um Ocean Boulevard way down like probably 171 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:40.000 oh, I don't know 3 400t away from the the um lighthouse from the point. >> Yep. Yeah. And actually my son looked at it before he bought what he bought and they completely redid that. It's still a one-story structure, but it the rest of it looks like nothing else. But that's new report, >> right? 172 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:56.000 >> But if you take that example, um, you know, they didn't think that was worth preserving >> and they're tougher than we are. Theirs is tougher than ours, I think. >> Nobody's tougher than we are. >> No, the new report one. >> So I 173 00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:13.200 I don't know. We can't prove the age of the project. right >> the house. Um so I don't know how we're supposed to determine that it should be preferably preserved >> and even that you know the even if it is 174 00:49:13.200 --> 00:49:28.319 1890 um the the date specific for something uh in the demolition delay bylaw is 1830 >> right >> so it's already too too new we can consider 175 00:49:28.319 --> 00:49:46.240 anything uh whenever it was built But if the guy is trying to make the argument based on the date, then >> yeah, >> it doesn't fly with the bylaw. >> Um I mean I think the only thing is that it would be you know you know reminiscent of a time past property like 176 00:49:46.240 --> 00:50:03.119 you know building but >> or if you know I mean if >> Longfellow lived there or you know >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. There's I don't have all the full language of 1.9 here. I I I've got 1.9, but I don't have all the the list of 177 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:17.599 things of the criteria. Does anybody have >> Yep, I have it right now. >> The full Oh, you got the full thing. >> The full thing. >> Thank you. >> He makes me look >> There it is. >> He knows where >> 198 178 00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:42.599 constructed frier. Okay, that's not it. Well, it's not listed eligible certainly not eligible for the national register. nothing. So she one of the more historic people that's out that we know of 179 00:50:45.359 --> 00:51:03.920 >> history of the ident. And then I keep, you know, usually, >> okay, >> you get when you get when you do these, if you've never had to print the deeds out. >> Oh, yeah. >> You the It gives you the prior number. 180 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:20.000 So, um, >> you're printing the wrong side. >> See, it'll say record. It gives you the new number, but it will tell you where the what the old number was. And I can't go back any further than I said like 1967. That's it. There were no there was 181 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:35.680 no other I went through this thing like 15 times because thinking I must have typed something wrong. I didn't do something by a wild. >> Can I read 9E to everybody? >> Sure. Sure. >> Okay. So, so ABCD none of those apply. 9E. It is identified by the commission 182 00:51:35.680 --> 00:51:51.920 as historically or architecturally important in terms of period style method of construction association with the recognized architect or builder either by itself or in the context of a group of structures. So it's a standalone structure. There may be other 183 00:51:51.920 --> 00:52:06.800 structures like that on the island. Yeah. Okay. So, so I guess the only criteria would be is this is this representative of the early cottages on and and would that be a reason to >> right 184 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:22.480 >> to to consider it? That's that's that's because he says here that 1.9 might apply and I'd say only E and and we would have to determine whether that's even true. And then where's the other one? He said he had two in here. Where 185 00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:39.680 was the other one? structure. I believe the structure it is and under Okay. One chapter Oh, that's it. That's it. >> No, he says uh >> two criteria said for it in chapter 65 1.9 and it's and I don't see what are 186 00:52:39.680 --> 00:52:54.319 the other I don't know what the other one is. Oh, the age >> the age if that age is true >> and we can't prove it's true >> and we can't prove it and it doesn't >> and looking at it I wouldn't >> it doesn't look right. >> Yeah. 187 00:52:54.319 --> 00:53:10.240 Okay. So the only thing so really I I would say there's only one criteria. I mean if we if we're going to have to evaluate it down the line, >> right? The only the only leg that he has to stand on is is if the 20th century camp and cottage 188 00:53:10.240 --> 00:53:29.520 vernacular style is architecturally significant. >> Well, or >> I mean >> it doesn't it's you didn't say that. >> That's a fine line on the island. That's the problem. >> Important. Oh, in ter? Okay. Important 189 00:53:29.520 --> 00:53:45.599 in terms of style, method of construction. So, the style might be one. >> In other words, in other words, being being a one of the early ones like I'm really intrigued with how many are still 190 00:53:45.599 --> 00:54:01.680 standing even if they're not used year round. Like how many are actually left on the island that look >> similar to like old camps? >> Like the house on the corner of um >> like is there a dozen or less? 191 00:54:01.680 --> 00:54:17.839 >> Is there more than that? Is there >> way down is a characteristic of that period or is it been so modified? >> Yeah. >> Right. >> But look at this. Right. >> It's so modified. >> It isn't characteristic of it anymore. And >> but this is how this is how we would 192 00:54:17.839 --> 00:54:33.599 argue not tearing down the schoolhouse because it's a one room schoolhouse and there there's only 400 left in the country. >> Yeah. >> But you know, you look at this, this is not what we're here to protect. >> Well, I don't think so. But that's what I guess in my mind like I really wanted 193 00:54:33.599 --> 00:54:49.839 to see, you know, is there is there 30 of them left and that they're they're much more, you know, they all have a much more similar look and this one's kind of an oddity. Things like that. And if it's the last one, who's going to shed a tear if they say, "Oh man, that's the last of the cottages and they knocked it down. That's the last of the 194 00:54:49.839 --> 00:55:04.319 old clam shacks and they knocked it down." I don't think >> I'm sure there'll be somebody that'll be pissed because there always are there still three there. The old clam shacks along along the water. >> There was only one. 195 00:55:04.319 --> 00:55:20.720 >> Are you talking about Oh, okay. You got to go past all the houses that goes into Newbury Port when you're in Plum Island from Newbury Port along the water. >> Yeah. >> It's the one. >> Yeah. Is there only one? >> Yeah. Where the um >> the guy penguins are. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. 196 00:55:20.720 --> 00:55:36.480 >> On Water Street. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> But he he renovated a lot inside. >> Yeah. >> But left. >> The outside looks like a clamshell. >> Well, we don't have to make determination now, but but that seems to be the >> So, here's the the leg that you would attempt to stand on. I think it's worth 197 00:55:36.480 --> 00:55:52.400 me like driving around or you driving around and seeing like is >> but I just like >> wonder to be in Newbury. >> Just Newbury. Ignore Newport. >> Well, we don't have anything to do with Newport. >> True. >> Well, it's still characteristic. But >> well, I guess like I I guess I'm like I 198 00:55:52.400 --> 00:56:08.319 want to compare >> So that would mean that if there's a an old house in Sus, we should go look at that. Well, if there's if there's 30 cottages just like this in Newbury Port >> and ours is the only one >> and we've only got one in Newbury, you know, it's that decreases the value 199 00:56:08.319 --> 00:56:22.960 to me a little bit because they're still on the island. >> So, I I don't >> there's another email. Yeah, an email from um inspectional services that says the time town council will be here Monday to discuss with the managers 200 00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:40.319 anything on the list. Peter added this to the list to be discussed. >> The town managers. >> Town council. I mean, >> council. >> The lawyers. >> The lawyer. It's going to be about Oh, that kind of counsel. Yeah. Okay. 201 00:56:40.319 --> 00:56:56.960 >> About this property specifically >> to discuss anything that's on the manager's list, >> like anything that's come up that people don't aren't sure what to do. And the lawyer is going to >> they're going to have a meeting with the lawyer. Yeah. And >> Peter is put this on the discussion. He 202 00:56:56.960 --> 00:57:13.359 doesn't believe the courtage is historical. >> Um >> neither do I. >> And they just believe that they're trying to delay the project that's going to happen because the person who's doing this is not the owner, >> right? Who sent in the information, 203 00:57:13.359 --> 00:57:29.040 >> right? Um but we have nothing to do with that either. Um, so she asked if we were going to have a meeting before, >> oh, so >> the council is going to be here and I said, "Yeah, >> this guy's mailing address, this J. Martell, who you say may be in a butter, 204 00:57:29.040 --> 00:57:44.960 his mailing address, his email address though, is Silverline Properties." >> So, >> so that's the >> he may be the realtor who was involved in this somehow, >> but he's at um 85 Constitution Lane in Danvis. >> Who is 205 00:57:44.960 --> 00:58:02.799 >> Jay Martell? Okay. >> On the >> So, he's not about >> on the letterhead. >> Yeah. >> But apparently he he he has something on the island. >> So, but he but the but the point I guess the 206 00:58:02.799 --> 00:58:21.280 main main point at this point at this I can't speak at all now at this time is the person we got the information from is not the homeowner. Not that that should >> have anything to do with it, but we can't make a determination to somebody 207 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:37.440 who's not even the owner of the house. >> So, Peter has a copy of the information and he he's and he said he'll do it with the um rules and regs and anything to do with the demolition permit when it comes in. 208 00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:54.480 >> Yeah. And um I think you know I don't know I >> I guess if he came to us and asked for for an opinion on it we would have the discussion we just had which is 9E maybe. >> Yeah 209 00:58:54.480 --> 00:59:11.040 >> because the date doesn't look very >> I mean it's a cute little house. Yeah, >> when you can with the trees not there, but you know, >> it's just wild when you look at the size of the house and the house that they're going to build. >> Well, because they have the property 210 00:59:11.040 --> 00:59:25.680 next door, I believe. >> See, that's when you're looking this. That's the house >> and then that's what they're going to build. >> That's the roof line. >> Well, I I don't think that that's true. >> You don't think that's the proposed 211 00:59:25.680 --> 00:59:41.280 drawing? No, I think No, that's true. But I think one of the like this piece that's on the end is what's going to be built added on to the house that they already >> they're going to try to keep this. >> No, they don't own that. He does. The 212 00:59:41.280 --> 00:59:58.720 guy who sent the information to us does not own the does not own this house, >> right? >> The people who own the house are doing the renovation, >> right? But I don't know that they're only going to they're only starting this because they want to get rid of that other house. 213 00:59:58.720 --> 01:00:13.920 >> They're trying to increase >> they they may like you know this could be it right there. I don't know. But then well from re from all the drawings that I've read in my life usually what they do is they superimpose it on the plot so it shows >> Yeah. >> Yeah. 214 01:00:13.920 --> 01:00:29.599 >> It shows it right now like that's the old the old building. And that's the old building. And so it's right next to it. >> So you can see Yeah. the new >> If it was under it, you wouldn't even see it. >> Yes. >> But see, you'll notice that the add-on is on pil. 215 01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:44.079 >> Yeah. This or this building. >> I don't think this >> It's wild. That's what I'm trying to look at it from the map. I'm like, that's a lot right there. When you, you know, he's got quite a bit of space. >> And this building isn't going to use that isn't going to cover that footprint. It's going to move over. >> Yes. >> Yeah. That's so that's just 216 01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:59.920 >> he's orienting you know really to I'm sure get the sunsets and you know utilize the views. >> So I I took my architect designed my house. We had a waterfront house designed it like this and we had all the glass along this side and I said no like 217 01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:17.520 this. So now I got a saw to both windows on both sides with a view of the water salt water you know the feeds the sound. So yeah we turned it sideways. If you have a space to do it. >> Yeah. No, it was full. It was plenty of room. We had an acre and a half there on 218 01:01:17.520 --> 01:01:34.240 the water. It was for $50,000. You believe it? >> Oh my god. >> Heck. >> I just spent 20,000 with 10 windows. >> You could. >> I know, right? Isn't it wild? >> They came out great. >> Really? My septic was four times. 219 01:01:34.240 --> 01:01:49.760 >> Looking at the information that we have available. >> Yeah. I mean, >> right. And >> as I said, I can't I can't even trace the deed, >> right? In theory, they haven't asked for a demo or anything yet. So, we're not nothing's even triggered other than the 220 01:01:49.760 --> 01:02:04.640 email, right? >> Well, the person who's asking is not the person who owns the house who would not be taking out the the >> and that person asking the existing house. That's what they plan to >> do or are they asking the town? I saw the letter, but 221 01:02:04.640 --> 01:02:20.480 >> sizewise, I mean, it's going to be much bigger. That's probably what's bothering this gentleman. >> Yeah. It's to us. >> Yeah. >> But it's to us. Okay. So, he's asking for an opinion. >> Yeah. >> No, he's >> he's just bringing to our attention to put a GDB on the house so they can't take it down. 222 01:02:20.480 --> 01:02:37.280 >> We can't do that until there's a request. >> I'm right. That's what That's what I'm confronting. There's >> not for our opinion. >> Yeah. He's asking for our opinion. >> He is. >> And to be aware. He wants us to be aware of Yeah, it's just a heads up. >> He's like, "Hey, >> but he's not he's not 223 01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:52.799 thank you for how did we get this? We could respond by saying thank you for your information what they wanted to do >> from the town >> because they've already submitted this to the town." >> Yeah. So, that's my point. That's >> in process. This gentleman 224 01:02:52.799 --> 01:03:09.119 >> is now sending this out >> to try to stop it from what I can understand. And the way he's the way he's going to stop it is they've got to tear down the old building because it's under the footprint of the new building. >> Right. So if you if you read the thing that he sent, the existing structure is 225 01:03:09.119 --> 01:03:24.319 one story woodframe and built approximately 1890 which we cannot >> confirm >> confirm. The narrative description on the record card states the size of it. the structure features a 226 01:03:24.319 --> 01:03:39.839 condry. He's he goes through the whole structure and everything which is which is nice. He's got all the information here. >> Um and then he tells about the history of Plum Island. Wonder who the builders are 227 01:03:39.839 --> 01:03:57.119 >> and Gavin design heard. So he's saying that according to the town records, but I asked the assessor and the assessor cannot justify where that date came from from any record. So it's been there for 228 01:03:57.119 --> 01:04:12.960 >> who knows how long >> that that it's on the you know it was typed somewhere >> and it was transferred over when they went electronic. >> Yep. I you know I'm just saying I can't the historical significance of the structure >> says 1830 229 01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:28.160 >> by the cumulative loss of similar cottages throughout Plum Island. Many early seasonal camps and cottages have been demolished and replaced by substantially larger yearround residents. And that is all true. >> Yeah, 230 01:04:28.160 --> 01:04:46.720 >> mine was too. But I had to go six feet in the air. Yeah. I mean, so this could be six feet. Probably is. The purpose of the Newber's demolition delay bylaw is not to prohibit 231 01:04:46.720 --> 01:05:02.960 redevelopment, but to ensure historically significant structures are carefully evaluated before they are permanently lost. That's right. >> And we agree with that. But do we agree that this is >> this is not a historically I'm sorry. I don't see this as a historically 232 01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:17.839 significant. >> Well, we don't have to decide luckily now, >> right? >> So, we can we can do more research. >> I would be interested to hear what Eva's take on it is. But >> that and like I said, I'd like to know how many are left. >> How many? Because that's that's the 233 01:05:17.839 --> 01:05:34.160 question is are these cottages? >> Yeah, >> it's getting so scarce and they're so important to our 30 left. I'm less inclined to try to save this at all. But if there's two left, then I'm like, well, maybe All All I can think of is down on Causeway Street behind Boston 234 01:05:34.160 --> 01:05:49.440 Garden, >> but the fleet whatever it is now, TD Garden. Um there is a an old building that used to be part of a much much bigger building and it's like a three-story townhouse that's just there. Nothing else even close to it. 235 01:05:49.440 --> 01:06:04.640 >> Oh, I think I was shot. >> Yeah. And it's it was like this this woman wouldn't sell and this is like, >> you know, the lone survivor. >> This is the last survivor of the old neighborhood, you know. Hey, you know, all right. If you can get away with it and and she's determined, then more 236 01:06:04.640 --> 01:06:19.920 power to you, right? I mean, she's like surrounded by parking or something. >> I don't think that >> she's surrounded by North Station. >> They're going to have >> Yeah, they're going to What are you looking for? >> I'm just going to get that back. >> Well, I guess until anything is presented to us with a demo because 237 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:36.640 they're if they're not demoing yet, what then we just patiently wait? >> Yep. >> We're aware of it. We'll do some the lawyer's going to be in talking about it on Monday. >> Monday. >> Yeah. >> And >> but they still haven't received a permit. So, >> Right. And you know, if we figure out 238 01:06:36.640 --> 01:06:52.799 the numbers are crazy, then we'll consider that. But >> I want I want to pop by there tomorrow and get >> if you're going to wander around just, you know, >> take a few pictures >> just so we can compare cuz I bet you like in my mind >> it actually looks just like this. Well, I'm sure that does, but like you know, >> I think the tree is still there. Maybe 239 01:06:52.799 --> 01:07:06.480 it's big. But >> I would have taken that. We went by it today. >> So, it's a nice little tree. >> As I said, >> he's got a whole list of requests you'd like us to do. >> Yeah. We can't we can't do anything official 240 01:07:06.480 --> 01:07:24.880 until we get a demolition request. >> Is that it for correspondence? >> All right. Yeah. >> What did we consider? >> I don't know. I stopped worrying about it because I was told not to read them. Well, I like >> What else do we have? 241 01:07:24.880 --> 01:07:41.359 What else do I have? We did that. >> Oh, did you do I have any updates on the father stone? >> No. >> Okay. >> I still I have to >> Okay. >> figure out how to establish some kind of contact with James cuz >> that's more direct. 242 01:07:41.359 --> 01:07:57.440 >> Yeah. >> Every now and then I see them cutting the lawn up Knob Hill. I should go like run down there and be like, "Hey." >> Well, have you gone into the building? No, I haven't gone into the building. >> Okay. >> Question. Uh, what are we taking any 243 01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:13.520 action on this? We going to get back. Thank you for your input and for the heads up or whatever. >> No. >> Well, I already thanked him for notifying. >> Well, there information to us. >> That's good. That's all we need to do, >> I believe. >> Yeah. So, I'll I'll do what I can to to get a hold of him and and to to reach 244 01:08:13.520 --> 01:08:29.520 out to some of these masons and find out what would be involved in getting the thing moved. >> Be nice to do it before winter. Absolutely. >> I heard that we're going to have another rough winter which makes us >> rough in >> like just like lots of snow and another tense winter. I know. But last winter 245 01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:45.040 was like the longest winter ever. >> My whole family now lives in Florida and I just send them pictures. >> Hilarious. >> My snow gauge. See 19 inches. >> Have you seen satellite imagery of the Pacific and the and the El Nino? >> Yeah. The super Elino. >> Holy God. >> Yeah. 246 01:08:45.040 --> 01:09:01.440 >> So whatever whatever whatever is normal, we're not going to get normal weather. But that's what I'm feeling. But but depending on which side we're on, it's either going to be colder than heck or we're going to be up to here in snow. >> Yeah. I have a feeling it'll be like a fifth a year like the 15 where we just get dumped again. Like I kept thinking that was going to happen last year. It 247 01:09:01.440 --> 01:09:16.080 was just so >> I'm just I'm just walking on my knee again after 6 hours of shoveling snow and that 24 in we got. >> I need to load up some more wood. >> My house is 6 feet in the air. Shed snow went right under my house. 248 01:09:16.080 --> 01:09:31.920 >> It would drifts under there. The poor punnies couldn't get through. >> Okay, so let's move on. >> Yep. Other car response. >> Is there any other updates of any business that we've been waiting on? >> No, I think we've got enough on our plate that we took here of pretty much 249 01:09:31.920 --> 01:09:47.600 Yeah. whatever was swinging loose. Right. >> Interesting thing. I uh like I I I went down to see Lawn's photos or the photos that that Lawn had recommended I go down and see in the customs house and they have a rack with the cards from all the 250 01:09:47.600 --> 01:10:02.640 various >> sites, you know, from the >> to add some to the >> school in there, >> huh? Put some in the school. >> Exactly. >> Yeah. Put put, you know, the schoolhouse pamphlets. Just throw them in there. >> Yeah. >> Um you know, do we need a card? It 251 01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:18.719 didn't look like the things that were there were were terribly uniform. >> Okay. >> You know, so I I think even if we just took the little little trifolded uh schoolhouse thing Yeah. >> and and start distributing them, you know, I could reach out to uh to Bethany, too, and see if we can put some 252 01:10:18.719 --> 01:10:35.360 in Museum of Old Nubry. And >> Yeah, I think that's a because that's a good one. >> Yeah. >> Um >> see Bethany went a little national notice. She was on national public radio, right? Yeah, >> cuz they found a uh copy of the 253 01:10:35.360 --> 01:10:52.000 Declaration of Independence from 1776 >> that was in the archives in England and it was in the archives in England because it had was on a new report um privateeer that got captured during the Revolutionary War. >> Yeah. >> But I think didn't it also say it was printed in Newbury? 254 01:10:52.000 --> 01:11:07.120 >> No, it was printed in >> it was printed in >> the Sauls were somewhere. >> Oh, okay. Okay. Oh, uh, Exoder actually. Exactly. >> Yeah. So, it got So, it got kidnapped and and it got saved. >> Yeah. 255 01:11:07.120 --> 01:11:23.199 >> It's what, one of 11, I think you said. >> Yep. So, you bet your bottom dollar that Bethany is going to be spending. >> There's one in the Maritime Museum now, right? Is that still there? >> There's one in the Maritime Museum, which is one of the original copies that was sent out to Massachusetts. Yeah. 256 01:11:23.199 --> 01:11:40.320 >> Which is there for awesome. >> That's cool. So, >> but if you haven't seen it, go to the Maritime Museum and uh there's an exhibition there of photographs, really high, beautiful, high resolution photograph. >> It's called From the Mountain to the Sea. >> From the mountain, >> it's following the Marramac from 257 01:11:40.320 --> 01:11:56.159 headarters all the way down to the jetties. All right. >> And it's some of the the big shot when you walk in is about 6 ft wide. >> Yeah. Uh it's taken from 10,000 ft >> museum >> and and it shows and everything's in 258 01:11:56.159 --> 01:12:13.199 there every and the resolution I can see my house resolution. So so great and it goes from switch all the way up to north of Salisbury Beach. >> Cool. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And then it it actually follows from from like Franconia Notch 259 01:12:13.199 --> 01:12:29.199 >> Mhm. >> all the way to to the ocean. >> Yeah. Wow. It's just a ser and and they're they flow down the wall like this and then they start over here and then flow down and and this is the this is the the sea ocean down here >> and it's the mountains up here. 260 01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:44.719 >> Yeah. A friend of mine and I put it together. >> Cool. >> But the photographer is a National Geographic photographer. >> Okay. >> So, he's a real thing. >> Okay. So, >> we got another one at the uh 261 01:12:44.719 --> 01:13:01.199 >> at the uh Parker River Refuge, too. If you if you go in the door way back as you walk through the door, there's a desk here. Go all the way back on the corner. Sherry and I've got one back there, too. And that's all on the marsh, different photographs of the marsh. 262 01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:17.840 >> Does anybody know any of these people that are on the cultural council? >> No. >> Cultural council? >> Yeah. Heidi Fram, Ryan Kelly, Mary Carville. >> Ryan Kelly is Bud Kelly's son, I think. >> Mary Carville. Is that Dave's wife? >> You're asking me like that's why I'm 263 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:33.679 asking you. >> Yeah. >> Barbara Call, >> you have addresses on those people. >> No, I have this is from the town website. >> These are the people on the cultural council. >> Okay. >> Who are having another meeting about town day. 264 01:13:33.679 --> 01:13:50.320 >> Oh. I'm like, why are we not involved in this? >> Yeah. >> Why did we not get any information? >> Year before last, I was involved in it. Alicia wrote me into a meeting in the middle of a snowstorm um and nothing really came of it. So, >> yeah, I hope they I hope they kick it up 265 01:13:50.320 --> 01:14:05.760 a notch. I think personally I think it being so split up is detrimental to the day. It needs to be much more like centralized and all the events close by. My my thing would be if they you've got all these people that are going up to 266 01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:21.920 the Bfield area for the history and they're doing all this stuff, can't they >> send people down to the his I mean we can't move the schoolhouse. No, of course not. I mean when the year though that we had all those tents that was like all around. 267 01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:37.520 >> Yeah, that was a huge year. It was fantastic. And I know they did a couple other things around town, but like we had I think like 85 people walk through that like one day. And >> you know, like I think if they utilize the greens better personally, not that anyone's watching from our from this 268 01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:53.120 group on tour thing, but utilize the greens better and don't do no offense to Spencer Pierce, but like it's all the way down a road. It's not you don't want when you're like driving through town, you're like, "Oh, there's this, you know, festival. Let's pull over and enjoy it." Like you don't see it. >> You can see it. Yeah, I'm with you. Like 269 01:14:53.120 --> 01:15:08.239 the Greek festival in Ipsswitch and they're off to the side and it's all all over the hillside >> and like when the Bartlett Mall is having that art show every time I drive by that I always go I'm going to pull over and like check things out for five minutes and it like gives you that whole if you didn't see it you wouldn't 270 01:15:08.239 --> 01:15:24.480 >> I have a Heidi Fram name but I can't place her. >> So >> So what's your point? You want do we want to try to connect with these people and >> Well, that's what I'm asking. I guess should we like send an email to the approval. >> They're on the town website, so they 271 01:15:24.480 --> 01:15:40.320 must have a thing. There's definitely a Facebook group page >> because actually that meeting that I was in, both Dana and um >> and yeah, the other um select 272 01:15:40.320 --> 01:15:56.800 >> we're in there. >> And the other thing is is they have like >> they've had several meetings, but there's no minutes anywhere on the in the system. >> Well, that's good. Well, the next day, save the date, August 2025. So, they haven't updated this, 273 01:15:56.800 --> 01:16:14.400 >> but there's a Newbury Town day atgmail.com. So, I would assume that one of those people must have the uh I would hope the Facebook credentials or whatever. 274 01:16:14.400 --> 01:16:30.159 >> Okay. So, I'm going to see if we can can't make some kind of contact, I guess, because I was hoping to be able to read the minutes and so I could get some information, but there aren't any minutes, so I can't get any loosey. >> So, as far as Sunset Boulevard is 275 01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:46.080 concerned, bottom line is >> wait and see what happens, right? >> You you move. It's their move next. We have to just >> We have to wait until they do something. >> Yeah. >> Before we can >> Yeah. The town. >> Yeah. >> The other people in the town who have >> Well, we have to we have to wait until 276 01:16:46.080 --> 01:17:03.040 there's an application for demolition. demolition permit. >> Yeah. That's why some way we get to pay him. >> You know, if he kept the little house and turned it into a garage or something. >> Yeah. >> And built the big house elsewhere. >> Okay. So, we're good with the 277 01:17:03.040 --> 01:17:19.199 >> I don't see anything else that we know what I'm saying. We built it elsewhere on the property >> that we have to update any business. >> Can anybody cover for >> um Eva on the 12th, Sunday, the 12th? >> Yeah. Lon, are you going to try to cover for Eva >> on Sunday? 278 01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:35.199 >> Hang on. That's this Sunday. >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> So, the 12th. Looks like I'm open. Should I do that? >> Lock it in. >> Put it in. >> Lock and load. >> Yeah, I'm on the 19th. I don't want to 279 01:17:35.199 --> 01:17:52.159 go three Sundays ago. Well, I had myself down for like like six days in July and you >> I know she scratched them all. >> I said, "What do you do?" You were >> I love you volunteering, but you need to have a break once in a while. >> Well, the thing the thing is I I knew 280 01:17:52.159 --> 01:18:08.480 that I had a lot of July weekends free, but I couldn't say the same for August and September. So, I figure, >> you know, frontload >> Yeah. >> on the schoolhouse duty. >> Okay. I got myself in here for 1 to three on the 13th. On the 12th, sorry. I'll let her know. 281 01:18:08.480 --> 01:18:24.640 >> And u the same issue that I have with the communications with James uh in regarding the father stone I'm also having with him regarding the paint job the quote from >> and the saws would be nice. >> Yeah. So 282 01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:39.760 >> and the tree limb getting cut so we don't have keep having them half sawit problems. So I I will Channing suggested I reach out to his administrator, his admin his >> administrative assistant. >> Administrative assistant. Yeah. Yeah. So 283 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:56.640 I'll I'll try to reach out to her. >> Joy. >> No, no, no. >> Joy Joy is >> I know who she is. Okay. You said administrative assistant. So you're meant for that >> for DPW. >> Yeah. Brad. 284 01:18:56.640 --> 01:19:12.080 >> Do we have anything else? I don't think so. >> Anything else? Anybody >> want to make a motion to close this down? >> Come up with something. Is there anything else? Somebody said, "Oh, I was going to ask about this." No, we're good. >> No. >> I move that we adjourn. >> Second. 285 01:19:12.080 --> 01:19:22.320 >> All right. Everybody in favor? >> I 9:15. >> 8:46. >> 8:46.