I call a meeting of the Newbury Historical Commission to order on April 9th at 7:09 p.m. All rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, minutes have a I already gave you back.
You already gave back. What? I put aside the back. What is that? Ah. Okay. >> You should have been more than enough coffees at the minute. They're not. >> No. >> Why? >> I don't know.
>> Do you have one there? >> Yeah. I put one in Becky's packet, but there was so few of everything else. >> I don't know what the where this Becky's packet thing is. >> I gave it back to you because it was so incomplete. So, you just got it back. >> I don't know where it is. It was just
all it was was this this and the agenda cuz there wasn't enough to go around of the others. It was known this >> getting in the future.
That's not for me. >> I didn't do that stamp. >> That's right. The maps last month. That should have been on this Coleman Road thing. I said I was going to I didn't say I was going to meet with James.
Um, I was told that everything had to go through Tracy. So, Coleman Road, Riches Stone, uh, Witches Stone. Rich is hoping to meet with James next week. That's You can just strike that out. That's >> You were going to talk to the
>> Memorial Stone business, >> right? Two contractors, >> right? Yeah. Let me see. They stole the bronze plaque in Newbury report. >> Yeah, >> they more than one. >> Three of them. Yeah, >> three. Yeah, bet. >> Yeah, one of these. >> Well, I think one
>> 15 years ago they got the one on Central Street. >> I think they got one in the old Bradford Cemetery as well. One was one was for the the Giddy where the Giddy bridge was getting down in the riverboard down low street and the others were up
at Oak Hill uh the entrance where Lord Timothy Dexter is buried. Took the plaques off of that. >> So that's on unfinished business. >> And what do you want me to take out? >> Just take out the line that says Rich is hoping to meet with James next week.
I've already met with James and uh I'm not going to meet with James again. We're going to do everything through. >> It's just not been updated because that's >> Yeah, no problem. >> Any errors or omissions other than uh one? >> Yeah. >> In in the future on this on the website
report and we'll we'll get the the uh lo uh local historic district study committee report. I I don't have a copy yet, but with the final edits in it. So, as soon as I get that, I I will give it to her. >> Okay.
>> For some reason, it's it's not on the doc. >> Well, that's that doesn't change anything that's written here, though. >> That doesn't change what's what's written here. It says you will get a copy, >> right? That's what I mean. But in the future is not until I have access to one. >> Okay. This
>> it'll it'll certainly be up after it'll be available by the uh what is it? the by the public meeting whatever it is. Remember the date >> you can tell us. >> So it's okay. It's okay the way it is is
what I'm getting at. >> All right. Anything else? Any other changes? >> 13th. >> I'll entertain a motion to accept the minutes as corrected. >> Uh I move that we accept the uh March
12th meeting minutes as corrected. >> Second. >> Second on lawn. All in favor? >> I I >> Okay, lawn, you can do your regular treasures report and then the uh ritual report about the selecting
which it's basically no different except the dates. Uh, and then I did get an update. Now I've been relying on on stuff from December. So I have from April 6th that every the members are all >> You got the April 6th email was about the same
>> and uh and uh so we have 900 available on the order of 900 available for the rest of the year. Uh gifts and donations hasn't changed. Uh we have uh uh actually we'll have $2,812.65
65 and uh and hopefully by July 1st we'll have our $3,500 back for the special account. Other than that, it's pretty much the same as last time. >> Okay.
Uh do I hear a motion to accept the treasures report? >> I move that we accept the treasures report as written. >> Second. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? Hi. >> Hi. >> Thank you. >> Okay. And
uh update lower green study committee. >> The only thing that's changed is we've set up our public meeting that's required. Uh and uh because I mentioned the fact that the uh and Jan I sent you the new map of the cemetery. You saw
that. Uh, so at the Evergreen Cemetery, it's not going to be the whole cemetery. It's only going to be the portion back of the the cast iron fence. >> Uh, that's the that's the only thing that's changed. And then at 7:00, uh, we're having the public meeting in in
town hall up in the the second floor meeting room >> when, >> uh, 7:00 6:30. Sorry. In town hall. >> What's the date? >> I'm sorry. Did I said the 13th? Monday, April 13th.
>> April >> at 7. You said >> 6:30. >> 6:30. >> 6:30. >> Library. >> I thought it was 72, but but it's written down here 6:30, so I'm going to have to believe that. >> And did that get advertised? >> 13.
>> Oh, yeah. I I'm not involved in it, but somebody's advertised it. Absolutely. Posted and everything else. In fact, I believe I believe you got something in the mail. >> I >> I did. I got something in the mail. >> Yeah, the actual mail. >> Just got
>> I'm I'm assuming I'm Jess gets the mail. >> It was It was sitting on the cupboard and I assume she took it out of an envelope. >> I didn't get any. >> Oh, I wonder where that came from. Then >> maybe somebody just stuck it in your mailbox. Oh, that could be
>> like um Robin or somebody. >> That could be >> they could have gone around the neighborhood. >> Oh, okay. Because I was thinking I was trying to get them to to post this thing and send something out. I couldn't get it to happen because it cost about $1,800 and then now they and then they
then we send out the the public meeting. But apparently maybe not. Was it was it posted like on the website on the town website or >> not invoked? >> Okay. >> What whatever was required is is has been done.
>> I'm assuming the people involved of span or whatever whatever historic New England um >> and they know how to do all the stuff. Yeah. I mean >> yeah meetings all the time. >> Okay. >> I'm was just saying >> do do the members of the historical commission need to come to the meeting?
Um if if you want to get up and testify to say yes, please do you support it? >> We'll support you by our silent presence. >> Your silence.
>> Yes. I don't think if the question comes up that's I mean that's what I'm there for or that's why I'm on the committee. >> Said it was at the library. >> No. Town hall. >> Town hall. >> That's I know. I I don't know what we're going to do, but I don't if it's like any of the other meetings. We we had
three public meetings. We had a total of like six people. Well, I don't think I don't think there's going to be an on rush to show up for this thing, >> but I wish we catch the box anyway. So, >> they will as soon as it starts to go
into effect. >> How did that happen? >> Okay. Okay. So, that's the end of Lawn's report. >> Yeah, it's that's the only thing that's really new. That and we have a new map and Jan has a copy of it. >> Okay. >> I didn't have a copy of it.
>> You sent it to everybody. >> Email. Yeah. >> Oh, did I? Oh, okay. I thought I just sent it to you. >> You didn't get maybe Jan sent. >> I don't remember seeing the map. >> I know that >> email two days ago. >> Um, uh, what's next? Website report.
Rebecca's not here. that it's just sort of a constant motion. >> Yeah, nothing's chang nothing's really changed yet as far as I know. >> Okay. And correspondence jam. What's on there? Anything?
Mary Beth is new to the area and wanted to know when she could go to the schoolhouse and I told her when it was open and she said see you in May. So that's done. >> Who is it? Mary Beth Smith. >> Mary Beth Smith on the
>> for our viewers. When do we start in May? The beginning of May. >> Memorial Day. >> Memorial Day to Columbus Day. Schoolhouse starts on Memorial Day for the weekend. >> They usually start the the outhouse early. The kids were out there
practicing tonight. >> Your age is show the jiffy the jiffy Jew a little or whatever. >> Uh building inspector that'll go under unfinished business. entire let's see. So we had
So you've got assistant administrator Joyce Stanton, schoolhouse repairs. We had correspondence from that. Oh, yeah. She sent I think I sent it to everybody. She sent a thing saying it was supposed to be going through the um
their office to go to the building inspector instead of us going direct. >> Well, Bill, >> not the bill. >> Bill said Bill said >> Bill said that we should go through Tracy to get something to James. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Well, that was that was a comment by Bill.
>> Right. Right. >> Tracy says I'm supposed to go directly to James >> with building reviews. >> Okay. >> So, that's I don't want to read that off and say which somebody said to do that because unless we've gotten an email instructing us what to do, then that is
not the case and that is incorrect >> because we have several people all telling us the same thing. >> All right. Well, those several people aren't bosses. We don't follow idle comments from side standards. >> Okay.
>> So, lawn on town meeting info. What is that? >> So, before we we close that out, um should I resend the email that I sent with the pictures and everything? Should I resend that to James? What I sent to Tracy? >> No. >> Okay. >> She's got it. She's got it now.
>> Right. >> Um but yeah, town meeting line on town meeting info. What was that? Is that this packet? >> No, I don't think so. >> Yeah, town town meeting info. The only thing we have at town meeting is the
special funding. >> I'm just wondering I I don't know. I don't remember sending an email. I don't know what it was. >> You might have just sent it to me. >> Okay. >> But if it comes into the historical commission, then it's on the list. >> But does it um What was it about
>> the approval? Yeah. Oh, that that okay nobody else has. >> There we go. I've got it here. Okay. I I didn't understand what that that's what that was. Okay, good. Yes, >> because it says um
>> Well, it turned out that I thought it was done after the after the select board approved it, but uh but it it apparently had to go back to the finance committee for final approval. >> Yeah, >> it sounded like we were in. >> So, but it did make it it did make it past the board. Well, that should be
under old business. That's not correspondence. >> It's an email. See? >> All right. Well, if it's from the if it's internal board meeting, >> if it's internal, it should be under unfinished business. >> Correspondent should be from the outside.
>> Well, I put anything that gets emailed to the historical commission on the on the email front because it >> Yeah. >> emails. >> Well, clear the finance committee too. So just >> actually last >> at my meeting too >> they left but but it had they had
another chance. >> You want me to want me to put the permit link on there either then? >> I didn't know that. I thought it was start. >> No, >> they were okay with it at that meeting. >> That would be under new business. Um June meeting will be at the library.
>> Yes. >> Where's the May meeting going to be? Not at the library. >> Okay. >> Hopefully it'll be here. >> 250th celebration USIA.
Anything? Anybody gotten anything correspondents? I don't see there's nothing on the internet. >> No, I didn't. >> Constitution. >> I looked around and >> the the tall ships are coming but not here. >> They're um Where are the tall ships coming?
Southshore or >> they're not coming to Boston. They're not coming here. >> There's also there um I went to a customs house event and they were talking about they're going to have some kind of uh collection of of tall ships
coming into Newport uh sometime in June. >> I don't have the the date in front of me, but it'll be on the if you go to the the Customhouse Maritime Museum website, it should be on there in their calendar of events. And they I guess they're going to fire off a salute with the cannons and all this stuff. So, uh you
know, James and Bethany were pretty excited about it. So, >> yeah. Well, that fits right in with their program. >> Oh, yeah. And what about I there was something about some encampment. Encampment is that Newbury pool? >> I I heard that they wanted to do that,
but I think they ended up um just doing it at the church on Sunday. They had a bunch of um reenactments go into the church. They never did the whole thing on the green. >> And did anybody find out what that
plaque was all about on the green? What was >> Because it's old business. >> I haven't seen that. >> Well, last month we talked about that. >> It was you. I thought you was >> I hadn't seen it yet. >> But yeah. What did I
>> who um is audited it done or is that the lower greens study committee that was talking about that? >> We then where' it come from >> review it before it went past the select board and they they approved it. >> But how do they do that without our like
>> input? Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I don't know. So is there a plaque there now? >> Not that I know of. I mean the first I heard of it was here and I haven't seen I'd have voted green when there's a monument right outside the door here. >> Exactly. Why would they honor the same
that's already there? >> Okay. I guess we're going to have to find out about that. Jan, >> it's probably in last month's meetings. We talked about it. >> It was It was >> I know, but not >> Oh, sure.
>> Last month we talked about that. whether we recorded it. >> How do we get on to that subject? >> 250th to celebrate it. Now, the the state has a a booklet out. >> I wonder if I should just get one so we
can see what they're doing. >> Yeah. >> At least, you know, >> I think it's like mass250.gov or something. Yeah. Yeah. >> And I was thinking I should get it anyway for my granddaughter. Be a fun thing to do over the most of the >> So,
>> Bureau of Tourism or something? Tourist Bureau of Massachusetts. >> Yeah. >> And they're free, I think. >> There's nothing on the minutes. >> I thought it was last month we talked about it. >> Me, too. I wonder if we did that after
the camera. Okay. So, nothing else on 250th. We're not doing anything other than if somebody else around us has an event, we can open the schoolhouse to back them up if they're going to have high traffic or something like that.
>> Did we decide not to do the uh the Liberty Poll? Is that off the table or >> is it too late? gathering ideas and I can't think of any >> if if we if we if we get our 3500 back I I'll have a little proposal
>> that I I would because a lot of people had suggested this number one our teacher mannequin is 5'9 >> tall >> which is not too tall in the 1800 and I found out seen >> us try to find those shoes >> I found out that for a reasonable amount
of money you can you can buy mannequins is that that for for dressing up in 1800's clothing, which means and you can buy simulated 1800s clothing and it looks like it. It's not something that, you know, a wraparound dress that's sewed in two
places and and held together scotch tape, right? >> Um and a couple of people said, "Yeah, you should have a couple more students in there." >> Yeah. >> So, >> we discussed this. >> Yeah, I know. I know. But but that's that's something we could we could do because when when I looked up the
prices, it wasn't like, you know, the mannequin's $1,000 and the clothing's $3,000 or anything like that. It was it was all the prices were reasonable. >> That's what you want to do? >> I don't know. I just I I would I put together a package to bring here and
discuss if everybody's up for that. >> And there's hundreds of re uh historic clothing companies, >> right? And they and they're they're new. I mean, it's new clothing, but it's But it's But it's simulated, if you know what I mean. >> It's made It's made overseas, but >> right. It's probably
>> everything. I ordered my vintage western clothing. Yeah. >> And it's Yep. made here. >> Yeah. I mean, it's I wanted to buy them at the Barton auction, but they were >> way too expensive. >> Yeah. >> Some pursue that.
>> I'll just do that. Make a little It'll be a little thing. We can't do it until after July 1st. Well, start >> but we can approve it and be all ready. We're 3/4 of the way through the 250th. So, >> yeah, people see them in there, >> but all that stuff is, you know,
available off the shelf. >> Okay, I'll I'll I'll put together a package for proposals >> because then I can get prices. >> You ready to go to uh order it July 1st? >> Yeah, >> we can preapprove it. I don't see any reason we can't pre
>> Oh, I see. Okay. >> So, we can approve it in June. July 1st at 8 am. >> They just can't pay for it until July 1. >> Make the phone call >> and you'll have to find somebody that's going to do billing unless you want to go through the reimbursement process.
>> Just reimburse them. It's easier. >> Yes, >> it's easier because we we're we're nothing else. We're for Amazon Prime and so all the delivery is free. >> Okay. Um
>> and just buy so much stuff. Okay, that'll be a project for me. >> That'll be fun. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I was real surprised. I got some neat looking stuff, >> but it's it's 56. I >> Right. She is the March meeting. The one
before that was even worse. The one that had no hand. >> I missed that one. >> Okay. Um All right. So, we're done with correspondence and >> Oh, wait a before we leave that.
Historic New England, >> the email that was from them. >> Mhm. >> Um, it was from them welcoming their new person who's on the lower green historic district >> committee too, right? >> Oh, no.
>> No. This is meeting us and or she wanted to, you know, introduce herself. I thought it was a good idea to have a field trip. That's just me. >> I think she Spencer >> Pierce. Okay.
>> Yeah. The only thing they she she would be managing down there is the Doe Little House, right? Metro. >> It was an email that we received. But here's here's the email from Joy. >> I read the email.
>> She's the one that sent the information. It said we needed to contact a net coordinator. Walk through 25 high. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I'm going to go home now. >> Okay. I'm getting
>> All right. Unfinished uh business. What do we do? New business first. >> I don't care. >> All right. Unfinished business. Uh 25 High Road. Were you able to secure the
application? I I'm just gonna a package here, but I don't have the document, >> but this was a first cut that what we have to do. Oops. >> Did everybody get one of these?
>> Got four. >> Is anybody got two? >> Oh, yeah. >> There we go. >> Sorry. Okay. Uh, you've got yours. I've got mine. >> I don't have this. >> No. >> No. And you get this. You must be giving me two. >> No. Everybody else has it but Janet.
>> Okay. >> Jenny's got one right here. >> No, this >> Oh, thatation. I'm sorry. >> I've got one of those. >> It says the Palmer of Massachusetts on it >> right here.
>> Yeah. building permit that says demolish building existing at 25 road. >> Does it say demolish >> right here? >> Uhhuh. It's okay. Okay. That's what we that's what we're waiting to see what they're going to do. Now we know.
>> Now we know. This is the print out link I believe. That's what I think. That's what I got. says C appendix two demolish C appendix two. There's
appendix two. So there's one backside there and there's nothing. That's just all the form verbiage. for the demolition structures. Building permit applicant shall attest to the utilities and other service connections.
Fill the application below. Submit this appendix for the building permit application. Property location >> because this is the entire permit link. It's not just us. That's what
it doesn't say who's going to do the work. No, it doesn't. You should tell us what they're going to do with vacant lot. Oh, it says uh the owner being the town authorizes
Peter Bennett >> to apply for and act on the property on the owner's behalf. checklist for construction documents. >> I guess this is for all. >> You asked me to print out what was on permanent link and I did.
>> Okay. >> I could not be what's the word I want? Picky about what lines were on there or whatever. I just print said print and it printed. Um, >> so
>> this actually is all in a when you pull it up on the his on the computer, it's like pages, you know, you have to click one thing and then it opens up something and then you have to click that and it opens up something else. So, it's very >> it doesn't look all neat and neat and tidy like this piece of paper does. But
Channing had asked me if I could print it out to print it out. So, >> that's interesting. >> Yeah, but uh computer project. >> So, in order to work on a building in this town, you
have to have approved plans, you think, but it looks like this is just a demolition and nothing else. >> Yeah. >> Right. Well, that's what I It would be nice to know what they have planned. >> Well, do they plan on selling the property? >> Well, that's this is what >> that's that's the question I'd have. or
or >> because if they said they were gonna sell that building and the property, I'd vote no. >> They can't. >> No. Well, they I think they could, but >> they can't just sell the property. It's in the National Historic Registry District. It automatically kicks in the
demolition bylaw. >> Okay. In 9 months, they could they could they could sell the property, >> but by in 9 months the entire town will know what's going on. >> Oh, of course. >> So, it's not as easy as dusting it underneath. There's no permit fees.
>> No permit fee. No workman's comp. >> Yeah. And and what they checked is number six. We are a corporation officer exercise the right of exemption. No workman's comp insurance required. >> That's what he's looking for. Oh yeah.
As I said, I'm I just I just printed and when we when you see it, it's a different. >> Oh, so I I see I see what it is. What they claim >> that just the form is attached. Yeah. >> Well,
>> but the applicant has to supply a I think the applicant has to supply a reason for the demolition. But there's no square foot at all. >> It says extensive mold and mildew inside building. I think that's what they're
using for the reason for the demolition. >> Dem Oh, I see in the blue. Okay. Demolition of existing buildings on the use of new town hall before that extensive mold and mild inside the building. In fact, one of the things when I was
looking it up too said that uh however parts of the interior, including the auditorium galleries were declared unsafe in the 1950s and have since been at various levels of remodeling of the structure. Well, the building has been building there has
been had a lot of work done on it so we could even use it past the 1950s. It was already falling apart. And it's on the original stone foundation, which is no good anymore. >> But it's not the original building. >> Well, it's not. No, that's right.
>> Right. So, >> but that's why I say the only thing I'm concerned about is the site. It is the original. >> There's some question about whether or not it was um the the Graange Hall was damaged by fire. >> Did they did it burn to the ground and
they start from scratch or did they restore the building after the fire. >> They sold >> that makes a difference >> and b brought brought another an existing building and put it there >> that they bought. >> So it was an empty lot.
>> It was an empty lot and they brought a fieldstone building over there. >> No, it's the original foundation. >> I thought it was the original first floor, but >> they could have thought well there was several writings. One writing lasted forever that said it was a two-story
building and the top burned off. Right. Yeah. And they made it a one-story building. >> And that was my understanding. >> And we have the photos to >> the stuff that we had. Yeah. >> So >> So it's not it's not >> This is what it looked like, right? >> That Yeah. >> It looks nothing like that. >> Nothing.
>> So it's And it's Yeah. And there's nothing left maybe but that foundation >> of the >> well the thing is what what was built there in 1927 or somewhere in that era was was by the Graange Hall people >> right
>> they sold it to us in 1937 and we started using it as the town hall again >> and the graange hall the agricultural aspect of that considering we're founded on agriculture
Now we're in company is was is really important. >> So so by default it's a significant structure. >> Exactly. >> Right. But preferably preserved on 1.8 of page uh
something that might be the beginning. >> Yes. >> It's okay. So here the the criteria out of the whole list of criteria the ones that we would should probably consider are the five I've got listed here. The historical association the building is
uh importantly linked to historic persons events or broad architecture cultural blah blah blah architecture importance. The structure embodies distant characteristic of spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe spe specific agricultural type. Next in uh integrity of features commission evaluates how
much the original historic fabric remains. Context and setting public interest. those when we write our decision, those are the those are the ones that we're going to that I think apply that we would have to consider. >> Mhm.
>> There's more, but I don't don't think the other ones follow. I think these are the five that we need to consider. Somebody should check me on that, obviously. >> And then and then and then then we go ahead and put make our make our decision based on that. If we if we do the preferably preserved, then we've got to
do more work because then because then we apply the demolition delay bylaw and then there's all kinds of other criteria that happen. >> If we decided it's not preferably preserved, it stops here. >> We're done, >> right? >> Yeah.
>> But I just thought this I this is I put this together for a couple meetings ago. >> Good. >> And I didn't bring it, but everybody should, you know, take a look at it. So this is the email from the building inspector. I spoke to Peter uh building
inspe building commissioner about what needs from the historical commission uh after your after your next meeting what he need type of type Thursday. He
just needs a next meeting needs a letter stating that the demolition request from the selectman triggers or does not trigger the demolition delay bylaw and needs a letter stating this.
So because of its we've got multiple reasons. So it is a significant structure. The um application for the uh demolition permit does activate the demolition delight delay by
and >> and that is >> what is how many days do we have before we have a hearing? The application is on 321. You can put the time timeline in line. >> We have We have 15 days. Yeah.
>> 15 days. Yeah. Thank you. >> 15 days >> after the receipt of the application which is 331. >> So >> what does it say? 15 days to do that >> 14th of the month >> to make a written determination of whether this structure is significant.
>> Okay. It is. So we so we can write that today. >> It's significant but is it preferably preserved? >> We have to next step is the right hearing. Oh, that's a good point. You get first. Okay. You get the flow flowchart. Next step. That's what I was just looking
for. Should put that in here. >> Next step is the hearing. >> Yeah. Okay. We need to advertise that notify the building inspector. Writing official
days. And the the wording for the hearing is then we have for public concerns and comments um and to answer question. >> Yeah. To gather input from Russia. >> Gather input from Russia.
Uh, does anybody have a calendar? >> What is What's the date for next Thursday? >> Next Thursday is the 16th. Uh, so what do we So it has to be done by the 14th. So we meet on next
Tuesday. >> When are we doing a walk through? >> Not before the meeting. We'll do it afterwards. If it's evening, I can't do Tuesday. I have about 15 people coming over to my house.
>> So, can't do Monday. We need 48. Can't do Monday because I have worked with historic district here. Maybe we could do it. It's got to be by the 14th, you said. >> Yeah.
>> You got to put it on two days before. >> It'll be two days before. So, today's Thursday. We can't can't post it. Tomorrow's Friday. >> Why can't What can we not post tomorrow? >> The meeting.
What's What's kicking it off? The date on this thing because town hall's not open, right? What's the date on this? Permit says 3:31. So that leaves us with uh 15 days. That leaves us by the 14th.
So that's next Tuesday. >> That's interesting. >> So it has to be two days be you can't count the weekend, right? It's probably business days. >> Friday. >> You can't get it posted because it's still business days >> cuz it closed at Friday.
>> Friday's still business day. >> Yeah. in the rest. >> Well, what's the difference? What what's going to happen? >> Well, I get the 20th 15 days. Is the 20th or the 21st?
No, the application date is 331, >> right? And it's here. So, 1 2 3 business days. 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15. >> It says >> within 15 days. Doesn't say within 15
business days, >> but everything else at town hall is business days. Like if you got so many days, you they're business days. We could probably get away with that. >> I mean, not get away with it, but I mean, we could probably use that. >> I'm sort of swearing it's who cares?
Just do it next Thursday. >> Okay. >> Nobody's Nobody's saying anything. >> I've got a >> posted on channel posted on Monday morning. Now, this being a public hearing, are
the posting where do we have to post it? >> I think we also have to do the newspaper. Let's see. >> Yeah, it says um >> I think it says fall into >> publishing notice of the time and place and purpose of the hearing in the New Report Daily News or other newspaper
generate circulation in the town twice. The first notice to be published 14 days prior to the first hearing, which is too late to do already. And the second notice no more than seven days prior to the first hearing. Well, that's sort of a typo. How can you
do that? >> We can't in the current circumstance, but >> well, if the Well, I'm saying it's procedurally a little incorrect. If you you got 15 days to have the hearing >> from the point of application,
>> that's kind of short, >> right? And if you're going to have no from the the building commissioner shall within seven days forward a copy of the application to the historical commission. The commission shall within 15 days after the receip of the application make a written determination receiving it.
>> Okay. >> When did we get it? >> This one says the 31st. >> Well, that's when they wrote it. >> When? So we have we have until >> 14 days after the 31st to reply
>> to to say yes we we feel that this is significant. We're moving on to the next step. >> Yeah, >> we don't have to have the meeting by then. >> No, he >> they notified us that they notified us the 31st. >> We So >> yeah, >> upon our finding. So that would be
whatever date the letter to the building inspector is. We have 30 days to um >> yeah it's still March 31st >> to give public notice of the hearings. >> So the email from the building inspector uh building inspector inspection the
email from inspectional service is is March 31st >> right and then from that point um we will within 15 days of that time give notice um make a a written determination of whether the structure is significant. So we have the 15 days is not to have a
hearing. It's just to notify them that that we have found it significant. >> Good. >> All right. And we haven't done it in writing, have we? >> Let's have not yet. We'll do it tonight. >> So then um >> then how many days till the hearing?
>> Then upon determination by the commission that the structure is significant, the commission shall so notify the building inspe uh inspector and applicant in writing. Uh no commission does not notify the if the commission does not notify the commissioner within 15 days of the receipt of the application building
commission may proceed to issue the permit >> no um upon finding that the structure is significant. The commission should hold at least one public hearing within 30 days of the written notification to the >> building. Now we got 45 days, >> right? So, so from the time you send the
letter to >> So, we've got all we've got all month >> from the time I send the letter >> from the time we notify him that it's significant. >> So, that will be >> that stretches out our timeline. >> And you could So, you could do it as late as the whatever. >> So, today is the 9th. He's going to get
this >> uh >> on the 12th, which is Monday. >> Monday. So, he's going to receive it on the 12th. >> 13th 13th. >> So, he's getting it on the 13th of April.
And then we have >> then we have 30 days to hold a hearing. >> Yeah. 14 days before the hearing, we have to post a notice of it in the paper. >> There's there now there's time for everything. Yeah.
>> Thank you, Rich. >> Thank you, Rich, for knowing how to read. >> I could have made a lot more money as a lawyer. >> So, we do need to do two notifications. >> Two notifications. One within 14, one 14 days before and one seven days before
the meeting. >> Okay. So, we have a month, right? >> Do we pay for that ad out of our funds? >> No. >> I would think I don't know. That the clerk's office must have an account in
the newspaper or something to put the notices in the paper. I guess you'll have to work on that, Jan. >> Yeah. We're also going to make sure we get a a space to have the meeting in a room to have the meeting in whether it's the library or the town hall or or here.
>> And when are we needing all these dates because I need to write all >> Yeah, we don't have written too many things going back and forth. >> I've lost track. >> You want to give her the calendar, Channing? Tell her. Uh well, let's >> Well, pick a date first so that >> tell me which ones are which first so I
know I can write them all down. >> Y so >> I have that with I don't know why I already have. So from the time Channing sends his letter which is Monday. >> Mhm. >> We have 30 days to have the meeting. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> 14 days before the meeting. So we have until What's 30 days after Monday is >> 12th? >> Monday's the 12th. So 30 days would be >> the 11th. May 11th. >> May 11th. Something like the 11th. >> Yeah. May 11th and Monday. >> We have until May 11th to have a
meeting. >> Yeah. 14 days before May 11th, >> we have to send a notice. >> We have to put a notice in the paper, >> right? Now, is that 14 14 days of the week? It's not any >> say days off seven days another one
>> and then within seven days, right? >> So, that's the 27th of April is 14 days >> prior. >> Okay. Give me dates one more time so I can write it. I'm going to write it on the on the agenda now. There's too many.
>> I got too many place there. >> Um, >> so what do we have? The meeting on April 30th, Thursday. >> Does that give so soon? Why? I mean, we don't have >> We only got one more week after that.
We have We have 30 days from the 14th when if you're going to mail it on the 13th. >> Okay. So we push it up to to the 13th of May. >> Four weeks. So you easily goes into May. >> May 13th. >> I thought you just said the 11th was the
30th day. >> Yeah. >> The 11th of what? >> Of May. >> I didn't. >> So what what >> So what is what is May 13? Uh April 13th plus 30 days.
counts different >> 30 business days or 30 days, >> right? >> 30 days. >> 30 days is what it says. >> Yeah. >> And if you do 30 days, then you're covered for both, right? >> If you do 30 If you do 30 days, you're
certainly within 30 business days, right? Why weekend? >> The 13th is 30 days of May. >> 13th of May. So we have to have the first meeting. >> We have to have the meeting >> the meeting >> 14 days prior
>> the wait a minute. We have to have the meeting >> the third by the 13th of May. >> So we can have it the 11th and 12th. They'll make it. >> So the 1st of May we have to have a notice in paper. >> Actually before that.
>> Why before that? 14 days before. >> So, you're gonna write run you're gonna have the meeting on the 30th day or you want to have it the third like just do it on the Thursday before. >> Uh it's it depends on >> 14th is a Wednesday >> if we're going to have enough time for the notices.
>> All right. So, >> 14th is too late. >> We've got to have it by So, that's our normal meeting night. >> That's 31 days. So what if we did this if the >> the seventh >> just
>> of May >> just we're just going to do this as a flow. Let's see if this works. So the seventh that means the second notice would be the first and um one two three four five six seven
means the first notice would go out on the 23rd of April. So that would give and today is the 9th. So that would give you two weeks to get it drawn together >> and find a site because you'll have to tell them where it's going to be. So we'll have to have the site arranged to
have the notice. >> Okay, we're on time and date. Now we're on April. >> We were in May a minute ago. >> Now we're on April now for the first notice. >> So the 23rd of April, the first notice. >> Yep.
>> Notice in the paper. >> Yep. >> Etc. Right. And now the next thing we have to be thinking of is are we going to run up against the days that the Daily News doesn't publish, which is Tuesday and Saturday. >> So she'll have to go. >> So you got to be looking at days of the week as well.
>> Good point. Well, she's got two weeks to figure that out. >> Um >> so April 23rd would be the first public notice in the paper, right? April 23rd >> to be decided. >> So then April 30th would be the second public notice. >> Yep.
And >> let's see. Well, except that's uh that's you got to do it on a Monday. >> That's the 3rd is a third is a Sunday. >> April 30th. >> April 30th is a Thursday. >> April 23rd. April 30th. If one is a
Thursday, >> that's the second one. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. >> I I had the 23rd and the 1st for notices. >> If we meet on the 8th, >> 30 days is >> due on the 30th to meet on the 7th. You told me the 13th and May 1st. See, this
is what I mean. It's too >> No, we're too many. >> Well, we're trying to finalize it. >> Finalize speaking here. And >> so, >> I'm trying to keep track. >> No, I can't. >> We'll we'll give it to you when we got it done. >> So, we meet on the 8th.
>> 7 days before would be the first, >> which is a Friday. So, the newspaper comes out on a Friday. >> What? We're meeting at >> Please just wait. >> Sorry. >> Seven days before that would be the 23rd.
Source eight. Got one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. >> Oops. Sorry. I kept doing that, too. Go ahead. If you touch it, it go opens that day. >> So 15 days prior would be the 23rd.
>> So >> 23rd April. >> Yeah. And then >> and that's the first announcement. >> That's that's the first >> announcement first public notice is the 23rd >> and then the 30th would be the second notice which is 7 days later. Correct. >> Yep. >> Yeah.
>> Second. >> And then >> notice >> the target date for the meeting is >> target date for the meeting is May 8th. >> If I was correctly >> a Friday night. >> No, it's a Thursday night.
>> Okay. So, what that is country is a is a Friday. Are you in April over there? That's why That's why I was saying the 23rd, the 30th, and the 7th. >> Sorry. So, what's the May >> Oh, okay. So, we went >> May 7th.
>> May 7th is to Thursday. So, seven. >> All right. So, all right. Write it again. So, >> first no, second notice is April 30th. >> It's still April 30th. Okay.
>> And the first notice is April 23rd. The meeting is May 7th. Remember, we're going to need a space. >> Okay. So, what that means is we have to know when and where before the 23rd of April to put out the notice. Yes. >> So, we'll need to arrange for a space for a space.
>> May 8th, >> May 7th, sorry. >> May 7th, 7 p.m. >> So, that's 700 p.m. So, we'll have to see if uh town hall's conference room is open. >> Why don't we just do it here? >> Or we could do it here. We have to We just need the camera and this whole
stack of chairs. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> There's a whole rack of tables. >> Oh, yeah. They've cleared it out since last time. >> All right. So, I'll get They're about to spend a whole bunch of money on this place. >> Really? >> Yeah. >> What are they going to do? >> They got to do the bathrooms and they
got to do this stuff for these poor men. >> I know. Women. >> I I really >> No, they they pass with flying colors Tuesday nights. >> Oh, it's got to be tear this down and and they just spent a bunch of money raising the floor. They're not going to tear it down.
>> So they're so so this will stay if they put a new town hall. >> Okay, let's stay in one subject at a time. >> You're not the one that has to type this up afterwards after I have to listen. So, we've already done a motion
>> that the structure is significantly >> we we've all already determined >> by a vote of the commission. >> Yes. >> That the structure is significant. >> So, basically sending the letter again. >> Yep. >> Okay. So, we don't need another motion tonight. >> We do need a motion for
>> and that motion would have been February meeting. Is that when that was >> March? >> What was the one we had it at the library and and Bill showed up and Jack showed up? I think it was February. >> February. >> Yeah. >> The motion tonight should be to send the
notification. It's because we've already determined the significant. >> Yeah, they've Yeah. Yeah. So, the motion >> I don't think we need to vote. I don't think we need to vote to notify, do we? >> I don't think so. No. Okay. >> No. It's just procedural that I'm just >> We're just telling them something that's already been determined by the
commission. >> We already voted on. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> And we voted on the condition. >> So, we need a motion to set these dates of um our next me our next meeting. Our a what is it? Our May meeting. We're
going to have the meeting and the hearing at the same time. We don't need to have another meeting. We just had a meeting. Um so we'll be in we'll be uh it is a posted meeting. If we need to discuss something >> we can we don't need to have two
meetings in May. >> So we'll have uh if there's anything after the hearing which I don't think there's going to be many people >> and that would be that >> that's on the 7th. >> All right. So, you need to vote. >> I need dates. >> I'm going to give them to you. We're good now. Motion dates.
>> May 7th, 7 PM >> public >> meeting. >> Meeting. Thank you. >> Please post a meeting. >> Hearing likely at the firehouse >> here.
>> Probably the firehouse. I will confirm. >> Oh, probably post. I'm going to take care of it. >> Yeah. >> So, he can confirm it and >> when's Oh, that's Tuesday. It's always a Tuesday. >> It's always a Tuesday. >> Well, they're going to say they have
voting here. >> It's not a Tuesday. >> Uh, election day is the 12th. >> Oh, good. >> Town meeting is the 5th. Election day is the 12th. >> Go back to voting. That's six days.
They'll have the They don't do the Yeah. All right. It'll give us enough time hopefully. >> 700 p.m. public meeting posting for here. Is that correct? >> Of the There will be a meeting of the historical commission here. That will be
posting a meeting. Then we're also for the same time and date there will be a uh Eva, it's called a public hearing. Public uh um >> meeting channel
>> gather input from re residents is all >> public meeting or hearing. >> So public hearing is what it says in bylaw. >> Oh this is the final version by >> hearing. So we need to put a public hearing notice in the newspaper
>> by the 23rd >> twice. The 23rd and the 30th. >> Yeah. And then again on the 30th, right, to gather public input of the demolition
of 25 Hyram. That needs to be in the newspaper twice >> and it also needs to be on the town's website >> at least for so that so >> are we on the 23rd? on the 20 the 23rd >> and the 30th. >> Yes.
>> Hasn't by the 23rd, you know, on the 23rd. It has to be posted on the website. >> And >> do they stay on the website? >> And it also has to be posted in a conspicuous place in the town hall at least 14 days prior to the hearing.
And we have to send the applicant which is the town >> that's 23rd >> uh via certified US mail notification the time place and purpose of the hearings 14 days prior. So that's also the 23rd. >> Well that that could be Shannon's letter notifying him.
>> If I'm posting the meeting and saying what it's for, that should notify the town what it is. It's going on the board in front of the clerk's office. >> We'll send it to the building inspector. It says, "Posting notice of the time and place and purpose of the hearing in a conspicuous place in town hall at least
14 days prior to the hearing." That's the way it's written. >> But Channing's got to write him a letter indicating it was significant and we're going to hold a public hearing and that could all be in that one letter instead of writing two letters. >> Okay? And then and then when the
meeting's posted, >> they'll just be boasted at the same time. on. So, I was going to ask that if you put it on the town's website, does it stay on there till somebody takes it off? And we also have to send notification in
writing of the time, place, and purpose of the hearings to the town administrator administrator, chairman of the board of selectmen, town planner, building commissioner, and other individuals, boards of committees of the town as determined by the historical commission at least 14 days. So, the the
23rd, >> we're going to need uh a letter to um to Bill, a letter to Tracy, a letter letter to the town planner. >> Yeah, for sure. Kristen
>> um and >> other committees. >> That should do. And that that should that should probably cover >> the chairman the but the building inspector >> uh the chairman of the board of selectmen, the town planner. Who's the chairman at this point? >> Uh, Bill.
>> Bill. >> Tracy and the town planner. >> Tracy and the town plan. >> You said something about other committees. >> It say Yeah, but it says um as determined by the historical commission. We determined there's no more
>> building commissioner. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> He's got that on the list. >> Oh, >> okay. >> And what was the rest? and the rest was other other committees >> as determined by historical >> I would think that would be the finance >> we have the right of refusal on any
other committees >> you don't think it should go to finance committee >> I I don't >> okay >> we can vote on that if you like >> no >> is there a cultural committee >> yes there is >> you want then for sure >> but I'm familiar with it >> then for sure to that
>> because the whole preferably conserved has to do with cultural significance >> within 14 days after the final final public hearing the commission shall decide whether the structure should be preferably preserved. So we'll get all this input and we make a final
determination >> and then we then we do this those those criteria. >> Now do we do the site visit before that? >> Just the same thing about doing that. >> Well, we'll we'll get them first meeting out of the way then right after that I don't think we'll do a sitewalk.
>> Yeah. And just due diligence. >> Yep. >> Yes. because we have to make an appointment to get that done. >> Yeah. I think we'd be remiss if we did not visit it. Somebody say you didn't go look at it, right? >> Nobody did. >> The report's pretty thorough, but you
still, I think, need to see it. >> You could not look at the snakes in the basement. >> Snakes? I don't know if there are >> rats. >> They were rats. >> Well, that used there used to be a drainage through there, too. swamp in
the back where the floating island is. >> Yep. >> There was always drainage that went through to the pond. >> Yeah. >> And then when the state did work on the road or something, something got shifted. >> Yeah. >> And it doesn't flow that way anymore.
So, it kind of holds back in that area. >> Okay. >> Yep. Any >> All right. Um, we should do a motion for scheduling these meetings. >> So, we use >> Okay. I move >> here's some dates here. >> Let Jan get ready.
>> Well, um I I think all I have to the only motion I have to make is to have the meeting. Correct. Everything else is spelled out. >> Everything else is spelled out in the in the bylaw. >> Don't throw that at the end with with
>> I move that um we schedule a meeting uh on about >> public hearing. >> A public I'm sorry. Uh we schedule a public hearing on or about the 7th of uh May 2026 um for public input uh as to the
determination of the applicability of the demolition delay bylaw to 25 high road with all required notices fulfilled. >> That's good. Did you think I was going to be able to do that like a shortand or
something? Any >> It's recording. >> Can I have a second? I knew what you said. Yeah. Can you repeat the whole then motion to move to schedule public hearing on five? >> I'll second. I'll second it.
>> It's not even funny now people. >> Can you do it one more time? >> Sure. >> Slow. Slower. >> Yeah. I mean, I have to actually write this because that's not going to be available for two weeks if I'm lucky. >> You didn't take short hand in high school? No, I took typing.
>> Yeah. Um, I move that we schedule a meeting, uh, sorry, a public hearing, um, honor about the 7th of May, 2026 to get public input as to whether the
demolition delay bylaw applies to the property building >> at 25 High Road. and that all of the notification requirements be fulfilled.
So I'll second that second on lawn. I'll give this to Jan. All in favor? >> I um anything else under this subject? And where are we having this meeting? >> Here. Here. Here. >> We're definitely having it here.
>> I have to book the >> No, I'm just making sure. And that's for 57. >> 57 7 p.m. without our regular historical commission meeting to follow. Right.
>> Yes. Plus, the first thing you'll have to figure out is how do we the process for posting in the newspaper. Now whether you go in and talk to the planning office or the clerk's office,
we probably have an account with the newspaper and a system for doing this >> for doing public notices. >> They probably do this six times a week. >> Yeah. >> So there probably a system Um, here we go.
The only other thing I've got tonight is is is any changes in any of the uh four things for we wanted done. The moving the stone, moving the stone, the schoolhouse, and the alarm. >> I don't think there no changes to that.
I I haven't heard get any feedback from anybody. Has any anybody getting anything from the town after my uh my letter? No, my email. Okay. >> I I have the register for the sales and trails. Did I see this letter?
>> I believe you copied. Yes. Had pictures of the schoolhouse that needed painting and I did description of the >> I did not >> the father stone. Oh, I'll I'll send it to you then. >> Sails and trails. Same as usual.
>> Yep. >> Extended hours at the schoolhouse. >> You have any signs left? >> We need a thought on that because I have something >> I mean I have to use some just was combobulated. Let's see if I can find it again.
>> Annual town meeting is on the 5th. >> Yes. >> Not at the 14. It's all about you. It's all about me. Your special friend. Oh, it's a shoe.
>> That's from the seventh. What's today? N. >> Do we want to have somebody say something at town meeting about the special fund or do we want to >> Nothing to say? >> No, we want to bring attention to it.
>> Okay. Not if it's not if it it's going to slip through in that in that in that transfer for five things. >> It's less than what the building permit is for reimproving the reimproved. >> We should be we should be prepared if we've got to go up and ask.
>> I will be there. I'll be there. >> You will be there. >> It's article 14 to vote to see if the town will transfer from free cash this summer $25,700 with specific following specific purchases outlined below. Right.
>> And it's municipal services security, website updates, the printer at the library, and not one person knows that our name is historical commission. Um, restorations. Those are the four things in that
article 14. >> What is the 3500? >> It's that there. Okay. I thought you said it wasn't there. No. >> What do they call it? >> Historic committee. So far, none of that is our name, but that's okay. Celebrations,
restorations. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Awesome. >> Okay. Do you do you really think somebody's going to call that out? And I just I think it's >> I doubt not with the kind of >> not with the kind of money they're going
to be talking about in other items. >> Yeah. >> That's why after last meeting, everything just flies through. So, it's crazy. But I I worry that she's not going to make the spend at all that that argument will have to.
>> So Lon, thank you for doing the preparation work for the 25. >> It's just a just for, you know, getting us thinking about what has to be done this. >> Yeah, >> you got it. >> No, I didn't. How did I get one?
>> Thank you. It's just it just goes through the it just goes through the process that that we have to consider and and and we we're through through here automatically by the by the certificate decision significance decision and then it says
okay what's nextally preserved and and what I did is I pulled out of all the criteria I pulled the five that seemed to that we could make an argument. All right. Are you going on um permit and to do things or no?
>> I am send I'm sending him an email. >> You're sending him an email for the building permit application. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> We'll do it tonight. >> Done. >> Is this where none of this is written yet because nothing we jerked all over the place?
>> 25 road stuff together. It's all over the place. >> I needed a folder. Okay, >> you just need motions in the minutes. >> Then you can become a clerical
everything I do. I told John that we have historical commission cassettes and tapes at the library. He said thank you for letting him know and that he thinks them staying there right now is the best place because it would be the same um
environment as it would be to put them in town hall as long because they're at a steady temperature locked in the drawers, >> right? But that isn't why we told John this. We told John this because we want him to convert them into >> but he's not doing any of that yet.
>> Okay. So he said for until he wants needs them to leave them there because they're in a safe place. Yep. >> Because they're not like down the schoolhouse where we know where they are. And >> that's what he was interested in. >> Yep. >> To make sure that the um temperature
stayed good or that's not the word I want. Steady is what I want. And then we got we though we we got the letter from Sheila Spalding
as the site manager for the for the hist and she's looking forward to working with us. She oversees the do little house the coffin house sweat is Spence Pierce Little Farm. >> So she's the new like Bethany
>> and site man. Yeah. Site manager for the new properties. >> Yeah. So, she seems very happy to be in in our area, which is lovely. Have any other more pieces here? So, one of my You're going to deal with Peter,
right? >> Yep. >> Okay. And I don't think I have any more pieces. So many pieces. All right. So, I think we probably run the gambit at this point. >> All right. Entertain a motion to
adjurnn. >> We'll move that we adjourn. I'll >> second. >> Second. All in favor? I >> 8:25.