Calling the Newbury Historical Commission meeting to order on October 9th, 7:08 p.m. >> All rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. >> Okay. Shooting across the floor.
>> Okay. Everybody pull out their September 18th minutes of the meeting. Let me go over them real quick. Okay. blind blurry blurry. >> He's just moving super fast.
Anybody see any corrections, omissions? Looking good. >> Rich usually finds them all. >> I was going to say if Rich doesn't, then I'm probably not going to. >> All right. I entertain a motion to accept as written. >> I move that we accept the October uh the
um September minutes as written. >> Second. >> I will second that. >> All in favor? I >> I Okay. Uh treasures report. >> Uh as I said, I I' I've got the
treasures report here. Nothing has changed except for the dates. Uh therefore, I didn't print everybody a copy. We'll save a few trees. Um, I did uh I still have not received my official uh reporting on the gift fund, but I did
get an email saying this is the balance and and the balance is consistent with what I have. So, uh so we have uh um for the gifts and donation, we have a we have a balance of 28
uh $12.65 65 cents. And in the general account, we have the our original $2,000 budget. Uh because we haven't I I usually file all the portaotties at the end of the season when I when I pull it out. So, we've got a uh basically estimated the total cost is estimated
$1,100. That leaves us $900 available to spend for the rest of the fiscal year. And I'll give you this. >> Okay. >> Yeah. So, it's it's okay. Everybody doesn't has a have a copy of that. >> Nothing changed except that my numbers
are validated. >> Yep. So, >> and you've still got on your to-do list to talk to the assistant selectman about. >> Right. Meeting. >> Yeah. I've got to do that. And I was going to go over with Robin and do the one because we've got to do the same
thing for the local historic district. So, we were going to go over he's back now. So, we can we can do that. >> What's next? >> I have the update. Okay. Um, motion to accept uh treasure treasures report.
>> I move that we accept the treasures report as written. >> Second. >> I'll second. >> All in favor? >> I >> I >> update. Okay. I tried to get a hold of Robin uh and uh he didn't answer. He is back though, but uh to see if he'd heard
back, but I I talked to him before he took his last trip and apparently we did hear from them and they set up a schedule and and we were standing on the green >> for the for the camera. Let's >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> So, this is lower green study study committee report
>> and they is the Massachusetts Historical Commission that we're waiting to hear from. >> Correct. So, um apparently he did receive a call and they've set up some kind of a schedule. I I thought it was 6 weeks. >> Mhm. >> So, uh, >> who did >> h
>> who received a call? >> Uh, Robin did. Okay. >> Robin received a call. So, they're they're still they've started the process. So, hopefully Well, and our next step for that is to also get on the schedule for the town meeting so we can have a vote on uh on on the bylaw.
>> Do we know the deadline for uh warrant items? >> No, but I think you better >> It's October. November. Okay. Yeah. for some reason. >> So that's that's the only update. That's the only update.
>> Definitely not going to be laid. >> They're going to review it. >> Okay. So that's a lower grain study committee uh website report. Rebecca, >> um things are moving along the same. Nothing's changed on the uh IT end. I
did scan most of that thing that you gave me. Should I scan the whole entire book? I scanned most of it >> about the trolley. Yeah. >> And then I was like, do I need >> the whole article? I think >> that's just about by field mostly, right? Cuz I was like, and I did this.
>> It starts as Georgetown and then goes to by field. >> That's why I was like, do I need the whole thing? So, I have this back to get back to you. >> Okay, cool. >> But yeah, otherwise nothing too exciting to report. And I don't know, you
configure it and maybe it's too long to put on the website. >> I don't know. I that's what I was going to figure out. I was like, I definitely want the map probably to start and then because the pictures are like really awesome, but I'm going to try to make it be like a multi-page so people can try to read it if they want to. That
was my goal. >> That's the field trolley. >> Yeah, because I mean it's an interesting little article kind of talking about it. >> Did you Did you try to compare it to a current map? >> No, but that might be cool. If you could send Yeah, if you could send it to me, I'll I'll see I'll >> see if there's a way to like show how
>> see if we can superimpose it on a current map so people can see where it actually went. I'll >> know >> cuz that's I think an interesting >> I've done that with the with the with the 1635 map that we've got at the schoolhouse because it's got the two gutters, the the drainage uh ditches. >> Yep.
>> Uh and and you can when you you can just move that around until you get the drainage ditches in the right place and you can see where all the current houses fall relative to the drawings. Yeah, >> that's nice. Neat. >> And then I did go and take pictures of the dam. So, I want to also add those.
And I'm not sure how to Oops, that's not what I want to open. >> Which dam is this? >> Um, the Larkin >> Len Road. >> Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. >> Those guys are >> to bring everybody up to speed. They removed the cement footing of the Larkin
Road Snuff Mill dam on Len Road last week. Mhm. >> That was uh was that state or federal? >> I think it was state. >> State. Yeah. >> I don't I don't think they would call that a navigable waterway. >> Um
>> Oh, wow. >> So, they they had they put in like a full-on driveway like to that area. Did you walk down there and look? >> I know. Um, I don't know if I took a picture of the driveway, but I mean they had some big >> big machinery out there and
>> they were actually really happy that it had been so it's like the end of the driveway so dry because they're not being completely, you know, inundated with water while they were doing it. >> Yeah. >> Um, but the plan is is to take out that whole section. So, it's going to be
interesting to see, not that I'm down there often to like walk down there, but you know, how much water actually really kind of flows now through the river >> once that's gone, considering there's beaver dams and all the other things that >> Yeah. >> slow things down. >> This is the lock and dam, right?
>> Yes. >> Okay. >> Which apparently was the second one on the list to be removed back in the day and it's hundred of them have been removed. >> Wow. Well, we was like somewhere in like Plymouth, I think the guy said, and then us was supposed to be second, but then they've done everybody ours is like now
the last one to be done. >> So, >> yeah, they're calling it the Larkin Mill Dam Removal SL Parker River restoration. >> Was there ever a fish ladder in that one? >> That's what I was trying to figure out by the pictures when I was taking cuz like >> I'd be surprised.
>> This looks almost like that that was a fish ladder. What's the one that runs underneath, >> you know, but it right past your house that >> right doesn't really look. >> That's the thing. So, damn. It doesn't have a name. >> Okay. So, that but >> how far does the river go up?
>> It has a fish. >> It does have a fish. Yeah. Um >> or that creek or whatever it is >> at that point. That's a good question. Let me see if I can see from above here. >> Where am I? So that's >> that's where they they count the ale
wipes, right? At the >> Yeah. the fish. >> All sorts of computers there and they monitor the levels. >> But the Larkin Road Dam, this just downstream of the bridge is the world's largest beaver dam. >> Really? >> Oh yeah. Completely obstructs the entire river. >> Wow.
>> So they go to all this effort and they got a machine sitting there. They take out the cement on one side of the bridge. Yet this beaver dam literally the size of an 18-wheeler. >> Wow. That means it doesn't matter that there's a fish ladder. >> That's true. So it's like
>> it's right about here. >> They got a ladder, but they got no fish. >> So >> no fish are getting through. >> Yeah. >> Cuz like I parked right here when I walked up and then there's a whole situation. So it's all like right here. See that kind of waterfall right there? >> That's where they're ripping out.
>> Oh, okay. So then it goes, you know, it weaves all the way down. >> Oh. So, so there is, so if there was a fish ladder, it would mean something because there's plenty of, >> you know, plenty of water above it. >> Yeah. So, you know, we'll see. >> But, but they're not going to get past
the beaver dam. So, they matter. >> The only one I ever see is the one on 95 right before if you're coming north, it's right before the 133. Yep. You could just you look over all you can see is >> Oh, the beaver pile. Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's a big lodge in the middle of the pond. >> It's really fun to see it. Yeah. >> Yeah. There's one down uh on Bachelor Road, too, >> where I ride my bike. Yeah. And you'll be riding along and all of a sudden you hear slap slapping the tail on the water as a warning. You know >> what about what about that the work that
was going to be done at the end on the Parker River there at the end of uh Newman Road? Nothing looks like that's that was another thing though. Removing a dam there that used to be part of the mill. It was a title. >> I don't know if we have any >> We were talking about trying to get an archaeologist.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. The the Yeah, I haven't heard any more on it. >> Or was that No, >> I bet that doesn't a water underwater archaeologist. Was that a part of that? >> Something you sent us. >> No, that's this one, I think. >> That's not the same one.
>> No, it's this one which is um And that was green or somebody was doing that. >> This is construction phase of the archaeological monitoring and walk over survey of the lock and mill dam. So it's not >> so I'm wondering if they're going to do
something like that in the Newman Road one >> for who knows how long it's going to take. If they put it on the docket it still might take a couple years, right? >> Yeah. >> That's the thing. Once once they told me that we were second on the list but we were hungry. >> L they've been talking about Len Road for over 10 years. >> Yeah. That's what it sounded like. The guys were laughing about it when they
were when I was taking pictures. I was just like easedropping listening to them talk and I'm like interesting. >> We may all be alive to see the end of it. You never know. >> Okay. So, >> okay. That's website correspondence. Let's rock and roll.
>> A lot of correspondence. >> Good. >> No, none of it's good. >> Why are these so delicious? >> Huh? >> Okay. A lot of the stuff that that affects us I sent out to all of you as I without
trying to inidate you with a pile of emails, but um >> yeah. Uh the new the newest one I'll do first because it's the easiest one is um one um Little's Lane Henry Becca's
what's left of Henry Becca's old house um on the way to yeah >> Spence Pierce Little Farm. So I went by the other day because I could and uh they're keeping the building and gutting
parts of it >> already. It's Yeah, >> building or that was it. It was an old barn. >> Well, it's a building, but it's a barn. >> Whatever it was, okay. >> Um, and I'm not sure if that's gone.
>> If this is the one that he used for an office or not, >> but that's what it this is the website picture. It's right on the town website, >> right? >> And it's all part of a trust, Little Lane Newbury Realy Trust. So, the bottom
line is I went the other day and took pictures. Um because I, you know, I'm so shy. So, I just drove up and went, "Hi, can I just go in and see what the heck you're doing there?" Cuz I'm on historical
commission and you're not supposed to be doing anything. So, I went in and looked. They were all They were very pleasant. So, I mean, it's a mess. As you can see, it's all, you know, >> falling apart. >> Well, it's all the paint's coming off and everything's kind of sad looking.
And I mean, this is the side of it. Like, ew. Yeah. It needs a little work. Nothing's been done since Becca sold the house, probably. >> And he sold the house to the Ipsswitch glass people that built that house on High Road because they didn't want
anybody looking at them >> at the pool. >> Like, yeah. Okay. So you I wish I had 1.1 to buy a house so nobody could see my pool. >> The house is gone. >> So what is the request at hand? >> Well, they're gonna That's what they're doing. They're they're going to work on
the house. >> So >> So they're doing a restoration of the barn. >> Well, it's they're it's going to be a house. So I keep calling it a house cuz it's >> Oh, they're going to they're going to convert it to a residence. Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. So they're going to make a house out of what's left of this. And
it's got the huge um original beams on the floors, you know, like they're this wide, this thick. And there's a couple that were he's showed me. They're very pleasant. The guys that work, come on in. We want to see. Just don't you don't want to come in. It's dangerous in here.
I'm like, "Okay." But you could see the beams and the floors and you could tell they're really like original cuz they're huge, gigantic that they would never do that >> like the one you did. Yeah. >> So, they're just they're going to keep what they can keep inside >> for for any of the wood. A couple of
them had shown had >> scorch marks. Yep. >> So, they're not they don't really think they're probably safe enough that they're going to just replace them. But, it's the same thing like the stuff on the >> They're replacing kind. >> They're going to replace in kind. Yeah. So, >> do we know who's doing the project? Like
who the contractors were or anything? >> Yeah, we got because we got a whole >> the ones did the kidneys. They um what was these? >> They did a really good job. >> They did a beautiful job. >> I don't know. Now I have so many pieces of paper now
up to my eyeballs. Sorry. There's too many things going on at once down there. I'm supposed to try to do this on the the permitting, you know, the permitting with for Peter because he sent us a thing to approve the permit list and I can't even get in
it anymore because we they took it down when we were changing everything over and it doesn't recognize us because we changed our website. >> No blame. So yeah, they are
Chrissy's letters. They should be here somewhere. It's the Hazel Times and Winer, the trustees of One Little Lane, Newbury Real Estate Trust
that was created on December 21st of 2024. So not it's not very old. >> So But >> I think because I was under the impression that the Spence Pierce Little Farm had taken over this piece of
property so that nothing would happened to it. But apparently that is not really what happened. And of all the 850,000 pieces of paper I have, I can't find that one. So, >> okay,
>> I proceed to email because it's a letter. Every time I open something, there's something that's attached to it. I was like, I need I'm going to need another print website. That's another nightmare. I can't find
it. I can send it all to you, but I don't know. All I know is when I went there, they were very pleasant and had weren't like trying to hide anything they were doing or anything. So, and I didn't see a truck with a name on it, so that didn't help me either. I apologize.
I thought I sent some of the stuff to you guys on the emails, but I guess what? >> But nobody's asking for any permits or anything at this point. >> Oh, they're already working on the house, so there's permits. >> That's what I'm I'm surprised it didn't
>> it didn't flag us. >> Here's who's doing it. Here's the whole thing. I knew I had this. How did I not see this? It's about 800 lb of paper. >> So, let me see. >> So, where's >> those? That's what was submitted.
>> Architects. Okay. I know who he is. >> That's a guy right past his studio all the time. It doesn't say who's doing the building. That's what I'm more interested in >> because the architects can draw pretty pictures. Depends on what they actually
do. Looks nice. I'll give them that. >> Yeah. And like I said, they um >> they're definitely spending some good good money on this. That's what they're doing. >> Everything was about we're just working better. Keep the facade. And >> I think they're going to do some things
maybe towards the back of it, but not the front of it. >> Okay. 8 over eight. No, six over six. >> Yeah. Which is appropriate. >> Yeah. >> Curved wall. That's not cheap. >> Spiral staircase. >> Yeah. That's what I mean. by doing that is that's
>> well if you do it with bent wood it's expensive. Yeah. >> Six over six were the is are they big like the schools? >> Picture >> not probably as big. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I could see they aren't because they're more rectangular
where ours are definitely >> Yeah. >> It's a beautiful building even a quality job. Yeah, >> it's, you know, deplorable state at the moment because it's like peel the paint's peeling and the, you know, all
that stuff. But, um, I thought I had a thing. I can't get into the the stupid permit link thing, so that's not helping me. >> Okay. >> Find it. >> And which way does this building face? It faces Little Lane. >> I thought it faces south.
>> No, the front of the house. When you pull in the driveway right there across the front of you. >> Okay. >> And Spence Pierce is down that way. >> Yeah. >> And the other house, the Becca's house was over that side. Yeah. >> Which is now the backyard for the house
that's on High Road. >> Okay. >> So, when you pull in the drive, the driveway curves a little. Well, the road in curves a little, but then it's >> that's it. It's like it's like that wall over there. It's right in front of you. So this so this lot that that it's on is not the original lot. They've moved
their property line over to where so that where the house used to be is now part of the high road property. >> Oh yeah. That was why they bought his house to take over the land. >> Right. But I assume they just absorbed the whole lot. But apparently not >> because people because >> so they moved a boundary. I was under
the impression at the time and I'm not going to swear to it because you know getting old and scenile apparently they bought it so that I I thought um Spence PS little farmers Bana actually had got had gotten it so
that they couldn't do anything to that >> and um I thought it had been moved but apparently it really hadn't been moved because when you go there and you try to look to see where the house was. It's like it's not that it's not like it's
>> lon which building are we talking about. >> Are we talking about these? >> Where are we? Let me see. >> Well, that's where it says One Little's Lane is right there, but it's like in the middle of the field. So, I'm confused by >> Cuz there's nothing there. >> Yeah. I'm like, what? >> Cuz one Little's Lane when you when you go to go up to Spence Pierce Little
Farm, right? >> You go up like I don't know. I'm not really good. Say like from here to that wall >> and then you were at the stairs. You could see the green stairs >> stairs that were still there. That was the walkway to go into Becca's front door when he owned the house there. >> Okay. >> Now it's all gone.
>> And this barn behind it >> back there a little to the >> maybe I've just never because it's too high up there. >> But I don't know. It It's It's been there but you'd have but the road curves a little and there's trees and stuff. So >> it's not the same as the house was like
right almost in front of your face. But that's like over there. And I believe this is the same place where he used to work out of. Okay. >> When he did his um construction stuff because I went in there a couple of times >> to um
>> meet with him because he he built my house. So >> Oh, all right. >> Um >> who knew? >> It's, you know, on his figure on the back and to the right of where the original house was. And then if you go it's quite a
ways down to the back to the old barn at on Spence Pierce Little Farm itself. >> It's a good stretch down there. I haven't been up that road in a while. Maybe I'll have to just drive up >> because you have to go through that big parking that whole big parking place. >> Yeah.
>> And then you come to the their old barn. >> So >> well unless they're doing they're not doing demolition. So there's uh unless there's restrictions of any type held on it by the town at this point there's
nothing that involves us >> right >> yeah it's just the whole thing is this trust thing >> trust is just who owns it it's not >> no so that's what I'm saying it's just this trust is a trust on the property >> but being in that area are we sure there's no restrictions on it
>> it's it's um like 1900. So it's not >> so it doesn't fall in within our dates. >> Yeah. Which I think it >> but if there was a preservation restriction or any other type of restriction on it.
>> No, not to my knowledge because we would have known it at this time when when the they were going to sell the the house. >> You're saying because there wasn't before and we haven't approved one since then. Well, I mean this they put this
realy trust I um and I don't believe it said anything on the town website either. I'd have to go through and look, but I do not believe there is because it's it's over it's well it's
it's above the DDB dates. >> Yeah, I got that. So, it wouldn't be unless there was some significant special thing except for the fact that it's a lovely old building. Um, >> I don't know. You can have this one of >> that. I don't think we need to get
involved in this. >> No, but we just >> on the file folder. We have to get involved in it be uh because they put on the on the um Peter assigned it to us on the permit link >> but it's just information
>> get in it. So that's another problem. >> Well, you're getting in it getting >> somebody helping you with it. >> Well, no. So now I have to go into town hall. >> Do you want me to mention that to it when I drop off the camera on Tuesday? >> Well, I'm going to try to go in there
Monday. They're closed. >> Are they closed? Of course. Is it a holiday? >> Hey, you know when you >> It's indigenous people's day. >> It's always a It's always a holiday there. >> But yeah, I'll go in and um or I'm going to send I'll send an email to to him and
tell him I I'm going to need him to give me permissions. >> Well, the balloon of the building's uh not being changed. >> No, I mean that the that looks different. >> Yeah, the entry. Well, it's still the
original is still the back wall, right? You know, elevations and stuff like they're changing. >> Here's the current picture on the town website and that's the >> I mean it's it's just better, but it's not >> they they're adding windows. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> But our our concern is taking away. >> They're not taking away. >> No. No. >> Looks like it's getting improved and fixed. >> I would s I would assume they're putting a >> constant couple hundred thousand into that easily. constant chat with Becca too about what they're finding.
>> Once you get into a permit thing, you can update us next month if there's anything >> else. If not, put it >> can't update my map. >> Yeah, it's kind of we're kind of in a weird dead zone here. >> Just because it's old.
>> They're getting it. >> On to the next thing. >> Correspondence continues. >> Please does it. We got an email from Gretchen Gerard, the town the town clerk that um
this person is wanted to speak to the assistant town administrator got it and it's been rolling around through to the town hall. Um, he wants to talk about a product. His company provides a free I I like
this a free no obligation sample is being offered. But if you want to if you want the whole thing, it's between$300 and $375. >> It's like a drug dealer for a video taste. >> And like it's got like a sign thing like
this that's got the I'm like, >> "Nope, no thank you. So to me it just sounds like >> I hate QR codes. >> Yeah. But it's it's it's like a you know here try this lollipop and then we can give you the whole
>> Yeah. >> If it was done in a historic fashion like they they did in Lawrence where you just walk up to this little thing on a granite post. >> Looks nice. Yeah. >> It's correctly done. This is commercial and >> tacky. >> Yeah. When we get to that bridge, we'll
let everybody know. Which which bridge? >> When we start doing guided tours of the town. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I hope that I could have another thing. What else? Where's my list? There's so many There's
so many house things that it's like exhausting. Who's the next house? >> Five road. >> Road. >> Five high road. That was a nightmare. Did anybody pay attention to any of that stuff? Start from the beginning.
The um the house is almost to the line, the new report line. >> Mhm. >> And um the people the the woman who owned it is deceased and her daughter is in charge of selling it apparently.
And um there if you look it up, there's a restriction and everything on the deed >> and on the property, >> right? And I mean it's very specific in that that it even you know there's a
there's a cabinet in there that you cannot change. >> It's got to be stay red. It's red and it has to stay red and it's very >> So apparently this thing was made and by um the problem is is that
it's not legal in the state for it to be this old. Um >> what does that mean? >> What do I mean? Yeah. What? I sent an email to Michael um Stein's at historic commission in
Mass Historical and said we the town of Newbury and the Newbury Historical Commission are being told that the restriction placed on this deed is not in perpetuity which the family thought it was and does have does have an expiration date per Massachusetts
general Law Chapter 184 section 27. It's a 1697 building and it's very important to our town. Can you please clarify? And he did and said that um because of the way it was written,
it's it's no it's >> 35 years, not >> that's it. >> Yeah. So, it's up. It's over. It's done. And that's why the people that were buying it, their attorney kept saying, >> um, >> they can do what they want.
>> They can do it. They could do it. And we kept saying, "No, they can't. No, they can't." And people have been, >> needless to say, very upset about it. Um, and I met her daughter at the um, Spana annual
>> y >> meeting and she was like, you know, beside herself because her mother thought she did everything right, but she didn't. So, it's not it's no longer there.
>> Do we need restriction on the deed for it to fall under the demolition delay bylaw? >> No. >> No. No. delay bylaw. And I and I say that meaning I don't think that the person
that's going to buy the house wants to take the house down, but they want to build next to it on the other lot >> that's going to go all the way back. They originally wanted to put one house there and now because, and I quote, it's
so expensive to build things now that they're going to build three instead of one. that >> there's that much property. There's there's enough >> they're not going to have the frontage and they're not going to have the the >> well because they're going to have to go sideways back and then at the very back
side of it the land is in Newbury wood. >> Yeah. >> And to get entrance into it, they have to get permission. So, it's going to be a whole big spectacle of things, but because of the age of the house, it would automatically trigger a DDB if
they want to do anything to that house itself, >> demolishing anything. >> So, but the other side is totally it's they're calling it 5A, but it's not listed anywhere as 5A because it's technically part of the of five, >> right? So, they're they're subdividing.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. and they're selling it that way as two separate entities. >> But if they put three houses back there, they need a culde-sac. They need a they need 75 ft >> a real road. >> Yeah. >> I don't know if they've got the same for
the driveway area. >> I mean, they'd need 40,000 per house. >> And what is it? 75T have a road or something. I'm trying to remember what the >> how much frontage you need. >> Yeah, >> Hamilton's 175. I don't know what New Uber is. I think it's like so it's just
>> there's also minimum >> concentrate on what concerns us. >> The only thing we're really caring about >> we need to send a memo to Peter Peter the in commissioner. >> Oh, they're all well aware. Everybody has gotten emails. They've gotten
letters because they've sent everything into the town >> to say you can't tell us we can't do anything because >> it's not something about Exactly. >> What I'm talking about is the demolition delay does apply. >> Yes, it does
>> to that. So make we want to make Peter aware that the demolition delay does apply to the property and will require our approval for any demolition to the existing structure. >> Right. And he is well aware.
>> I think we should send a copy >> just to have it on record. Yeah. copy of >> send him a memo, department memo saying what I just said. >> So nobody can say I didn't get told.
>> Otherwise, we'll find out after the front of the house has been torn down. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. The demolition delay bylaw does apply to the existing structures and the historical commission will be involved in that.
>> Now, if they only put one house back there, the frontage is is moved because it's already subdivided. But once they want to put three houses back there, they've got to do a subdivision >> and then they'll need the frontage, >> right?
>> That seems like too much house for that. >> The property is much larger than you think it is. >> It goes way back from the road. How much property? >> Because it goes all the way to the road on the back. What is that road? >> Pond right here. >> South Pond Street.
>> This road that runs behind us parallel. >> That's the street. >> Yeah. So, that that's a big distance. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, it's not like it's a diggy little piece of land. It's going way back. >> It's going to have three lots. I mean,
enough for three building if you want to put three buildings back there. >> And what's the minimum square footage in Newbury for? >> Well, it's not Newbury port >> in Newbury. >> In Newbury 40,000. >> Is it 40,000?
Well, we'll find out. >> So, >> that'll be cute. This huge road going past that 1600 house. >> Yeah. >> I don't know how they're going to >> couple nickn Street with that 50 foot road jammed in
between two houses. Yeah. >> So, I don't know. >> All right. Next. what else to tell you? But um the reason I know all this stuff is because the inspectional services admin
Chrissy keeps sending me and and emailing me more information because she knows it's because it's on the list of >> Yeah, >> because the house >> because of the age of the house. So she has >> keeping us and then Peter sent me anything
>> that I can't do anything with right now because don't work. They keep changing the passwords, the names of the emails. I can't get anything through. So, okay, this is all one. That's done.
And then what's the third one? Oh, our favorite place in the universe. 78 Elm Street, >> which is fac 78 Elm Street. I've requested the clerk to research the
uh restriction from the >> is it HO HOC? Is that correct? the condo development thing and the deed the restriction on the building on the deed
so we understand what they are >> and you've all gotten all of it already. >> Yeah. >> So all >> like if they're not supposed to have >> considering silly things like >> So if you all want all of this let me know.
>> Yeah. that we have >> 2019. We was the last time I think we discussed it and Channing thanked everyone who attended the meeting. There was a meeting on it and
the current owner Diro is now thinking of not moving the bond and making a se Oh, sorry that's the wrong house. Channing thanked everyone t the town council stated that the preservation restriction is valid and must be adhered to. The planning board had a subsequent
meeting and approved the owners to replace with like items no PVC quarter stone quarter sewn >> quarter >> thing. Say that word three times with me. >> Um quarter cut clapboards
>> are still being cut today. Review the secretary of the interior standards for treatment of historic properties. And this is from the 11:21 2009 historical commission meeting
that started at 7:09 just in case you're wondering. >> 709. >> So all the stuff, exterior trim and trim replacement, this is from November of 2009. planning board. All this stuff is all
from 2019 and it's all about us fighting with these people and sending um Peter there and the planning board's already got been involved that the everybody's been involved with this place and they still continue to
>> so you dance around it >> in that folder. You've got a copy of the de the restriction that's on the deed. >> Hopefully you got a lot of papers in there. It's in a lot of paper than here. Planting board certificate of vote. Exterior
siding trim replacement property subject to preservation restriction. >> Looks like the deed is in the back here. >> Which one? >> Look at your left hand. Oh, >> just in the preservation restriction agreement as to farmhouse of 78 Elm
Street, Newbury, Mass. >> There you go. >> Okay. Now, >> me. What what about from the uh that the the HOC holds the restriction from them?
>> From from whom? >> The condo development committee. Am I saying that right? >> Yeah. >> Remember last month the planning the planning director told us about it in a letter.
>> Yeah. Planning board certificate of vote is about replacing things. has all of the um this showing the windows the deterioration of the existing things
>> and all of these are preservation restriction agreement from 200 I believe that's a six 11 16 two it's either 2005 or 2006 I
can't that's the preservation restriction >> still within >> the Priorities to this preservation restriction agreement are Caldwell Farm LLC, a limited liability company with an office and blah blah blah blah
blah here and after referred as gran tour and the town of Newbury whereas the existing house central entrance wood structure yada yada yada. This is the reserv reservation restriction on the property, >> right?
>> Which they put on some deal that they made with the town so they could do tall farm >> probably. >> Yes. With the planning board. >> Yeah. >> But there's a second restriction with the condo development thing that
says exactly what they can do to the outside. and the planning director told us about it last month in the letter that that's why we wanted to find the contact of the president of the
um the development committee. >> This the parties to the preservation restriction agreement are Caldwell Farm LLC in the town. >> Right. That's the one on the D. There's
still a second one preservation to the farmhouse. This is from 2006. This is from 2019. This is the certificate of vote on the exterior siding and trim replacement.
And this is the original from 2006. Oh, I remember this. We got all the guidelines and we pulled them all out to see what they would give them information, I think, or something. >> But I don't really know what you're asking me for then. Well, you need to go back to last month's letter from the
planning board about it. 2019 Would you have that in last month's correspondence? We're done with that. Oh Lordy, help us all. See folks at home asleep watching this
video. >> Anything about it in the minutes? I was just reading. I didn't see anything here. Little little Zane is here. Which stone? What's the address on this one? >> 78. >> Oh, this is 72. I couldn't tell from my
note here. That was part of don't see the address in here. Notes on correspondence a street. No, September. Wonderful. I don't know that I printed it all out because I I thought we because we
already had it all. I don't think it was anything new. She's talking about the stuff that Martha had. Is that about like the yard and stuff? Is that what we're >> Yeah. >> Maybe you should look at August. >> There's a whole another >> seem to be in September.
>> They're not supposed to have >> Well, both restrictions talk about the yard. >> Does it? >> And the exterior. Yeah. >> And Martha knew about it because she was part of the chain email. This is the from this is from the
historical commission Massachusetts story. >> No, it's not in any of that stuff. All right. What else is going on with correspondence? Too much. Too much stuff.
One place. The stuff last month was the witch's stone 110 H street. >> Yeah, >> one little lane. >> All right, this is all last night's
stuff, I think. Where are we at? You got me all >> out of sorts out of out of uh out of alignment. Um, >> let's skip over. >> We did the underwater thing. We did this Elm Street. >> Yep.
>> We did Five High twice. Has anybody been to the library about the we going to go back and talk to the library people >> about? >> We don't know when they're going to do
it. Last when we were there they had no >> they don't even have a planned date for when they want to do their rearranging >> but we were going to I thought we were sending envoys to meet with them about securing >> about locking our doors. We could do that again. curing and moving.
>> What were we going to do? Moving one c one of the cabinets. >> One of the cabinets we're going to move into >> consolidate the room into one >> and and and we're going to talk to them about locking that room, >> which they can't do now because the
>> the genealog genealogy, >> right? Supposed to talk to Alex Far about why it's not why about how it can get locked. And the problem at the point was there's so many people going in and out
to use that computer that they would have been zigzagging back and forth. >> They don't like having to deal with monitoring it and keeping it, you know, opening and closing it. I don't know why they can't find two locations. >> But see, like now didn't I believe at
the last meeting we said maybe they can like use the space where the cabinets were. >> Yeah. if they can get a line hooked up and I don't know why they can't. >> That's a very good question. You'd like to think that that place is easily, >> right? Even if they have to drop a pole.
>> Yeah. You know, >> they must have Wi-Fi in there. >> I mean, >> you'd think to plug into it, you just >> But so it's still a question of that. and they weren't in a like they just
wanted to make sure that we were going through those cabinets and knew what was in them and what that we were happy with that we could go >> check them. That was more the case than the fact that we want to move that they're going to maybe move that cabinet into the that room. They're going to
have to get that the computer out of there anyway cuz >> right >> so one of the cabinets trash the other cabinet can be moved into the room. Then that leaves them space to put drop the computers. >> Yeah. >> And then they can lock the door. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And but they need to talk to Alex Burke
who's the on the library the trustees or whatever it is committee that's part of the town library. >> So >> So >> okay. >> Are we at any any level of communication
with anybody there? Who's our contact? Who who sent this correspondence to us? >> The li the head the new librarian head librarian >> and the new librarian doesn't have is not authorized to make a decision like that.
>> You'd think. >> Well, also she's new and she doesn't want to make a decision and then find out she was supposed to talk to Alex and go through the board first, >> right? because this isn't just like moving a a bunch of books out of a one,
you know, cabinet to the next cabinet or something. This is like a major move of furniture and locking a door that's been unlocked for this time. We explained to her how things have been stolen in there and all that. And uh so the question is
I guess double back and see. >> So I think somebody needs to double back. Do >> we have a contact in the board? Al. >> Alex. Okay. Do you have his email? >> Like is it just like an email to get a hold of him? Is he ever at the library? I don't know. >> I don't know.
>> I wonder if the town website might have that >> maybe. Right. Yeah. Or else you could go to the food pantry >> literally. Is that where he's at? >> At the at the church. >> I've never been over there. They do that, too. >> I keep saying I got to volunteer over there. >> I always think I should bring things
over there then. So I but I but he'd be on the um there would be a website on the town, >> right? There should be a link on the town website with an email. All right. >> All right. Uh schoolhouse check on maps attic and door.
>> All right. The door um got a little more information on it. I'm going to check it out on Saturday. It appears that uh one of the the gaps is not a crack in the door. It's the stop. A piece of this the stop is missing. >> Okay. >> So, I'm going to go take a look at it
right there. >> Yeah. >> So, I'm going to take a look at that when I go there Saturday. And I'm also going to see what I would need to do that. And And this cracked panel. Um you know, we could fill it. I I suggest
fill it with a compound that contracts and Y >> reflects wood filler. Yeah. >> Yeah. And back it just back it up. Maybe take it off for the day and uh put it horizontal >> and fill it. >> Yeah. Okay. >> I I filled the other one a couple years back. Y
>> and it just breaks up. So getting something that will will move >> similar to paintable silicone or some type of paintable epoxy. I I don't know. Whatever. Main thing is for the inside if we can keep that looking wood that would be good. >> Yeah.
>> But the outside the paint that I had for the outside of the doors I mixed because I had to add I got the the correct green but in order to match the trim on the windows I had to mix black into it. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Our windows are new now, right?
>> So we've got a different color to match. So that'll be good. >> Okay. in the the window uh that needed to be repaired back in place >> and it's been repaired. >> Good. >> That's done. >> They came over and had they couldn't get in. They had to come over and get me to open up the thing for them. And they
left their ladder there. >> Oh, did they? >> I don't know if you noticed. It's in the What's a little two-step uh ladder. I put it in the in the room with the alarm. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, when they're going to We just have
to live with the ugly window. that one foggy thing that everybody who comes in mentions it to me >> and I asked about it too and they said there's you know there's nothing we can do about it nothing we can do to clean that piece of glass out >> and I said well you replace it and he
said because we don't replace glass >> oh >> because they did replace some of the panes that we yeah I was going to say that seems >> after we got paid >> we don't replace anyhow >> we don't Essex Heritage Trail Trails.
So, does that say sales? >> What's it? >> Next. Next item. Essex Heritage Trails and Rails. >> Trails and Rails >> annual meeting. >> Is that Yes. >> You all have a copy? >> Oh, yeah. I saw that. Did we miss it? >> No.
>> No, it's the 18th. >> Oh. Oh, I thought it I'm sorry. 60. >> And it's a um computer one. >> So, it's a virtual. >> Virtual. >> That's the word. Thank you. virtual. >> Oh, 16th. Why did I think Oh, this one was sent.
>> What's it about? >> It's the annual meeting. >> About what? >> The Essex Heritage. >> Going. >> Well, no. I didn't think you were going to have anything to do with this, but you think I should go join it, and I'm not going to because I got enough to do.
So, somebody can go can watch this thing at home and learn what's going on. >> What is it? What What's it going to be? Is it Is it a Zoom meeting? Join us for a morning of networking and regional engagement. >> See, we don't have that part. >> Sorry. The the meeting will be held in
the carriage house at Lynch Park >> on >> I emailed you. I believe I emailed you all. I looked at the emails. >> You're not getting any of your emails. Well, I check what your email what email you have for me. >> Well, maybe you should send me an email. >> Online webinar. >> Yep. >> You're on it. >> We'll send one to the historical
commission and I'll get it from there. Is that is that morning? >> You're on the list. >> She said that at 12:00. >> So if you didn't look at your email, >> I did look at my email. I was looking on a Saturday morning, >> Thursday, October 16th.
>> You actually sent it twice. >> You sent it at 11:50 and then you sent it again >> cuz I stopped >> at 12:10 >> cuz something came up came into my email and it wouldn't let me. >> First one says virtual program and then I was like, oh. And then you sent it again and I was like, is this a second one? Online webinar. I was like, "Oh,
it's the same thing." >> Oh, >> so it's >> How was your Comcast today? >> Uh, shoddy. And they're going to do it again, I guess. >> Tomorrow. >> Yeah. So, lucky me. Good thing I don't have to do anything tomorrow. >> I could go to my daughter. >> This is a different thing. This one is
of the actual meeting. There's another one. I thought I had >> We're having a big surprise party on Saturday. So, I'm going to be cleaning my house one of those days. >> Yeah. But was it two of the same ones that covered making friends open and I
think they might >> Oh, I know. It's something else that it's there was another one that's about a virtual meeting. This one's an actual real life meeting at a place called Carriage House at Lynch Park in Beverly. >> Okay. >> Right. Which is a lovely place.
>> So, >> yeah. >> Yeah. If you said I have no idea where it is. >> Yeah. I used to go there when my kids were little. >> So, wander around lunch. And then there's another one. >> Should I go? >> I mean, you might like it. Yeah. If you don't have anything to do,
>> if you don't have anything to do that day, >> well, I've got, believe it or not, I don't have anything scheduled for that day. Yeah. >> Which is unheard of. >> Per per your discussion request or information. Somebody asked about the 250th
>> at the last meeting. So, I sent the I sent the the information and asked the t assistant town administrator >> what our plans are >> if there was any plans and she said, "Um, no, but maybe we'd like to do something
about it." >> 350th. >> Um, the 250th 150th, not the town. Let's say that something's wrong. We're having a really great >> update. He updated us on the windows,
fixing the holes on the outside. >> Uh facial damage from the birds. Sent an email to uh James on 826. >> I still have not seen that repaired. So I'm wondering if where they were doing so many other things. I don't know. I
don't know. Um >> are you not getting through him? >> He's not reply responding to me. So okay. I don't know because I asked him about the two stones about the the moving the father stone back and about replacing the stone that goes in the
central street wall and I haven't heard anything back from >> so I don't know they got big big going on I think >> well I'll I'll have to call >> okay so that checks off >> it's not typical of him should not respond you know >> that's what I said usually big by the
time I even read it the thing's been fixed it's like >> so something's going on probably some big thing we are not aware of. >> Should you and I get together someday over at the school and and paint the two staircases and that thing in the back with your gray. You got you had that. >> I got the gray. I got the I got primer.
I got the gray. I got the white. >> Yeah. I wonder if we should do that. >> Are we going to do our cleaning our shutdown? >> Should we schedule that and then maybe at the same time? >> That should be next week, right? >> Yeah, usually. But it's going to rain a lot next week. >> Yeah, >> that's the only thing. Yeah.
>> And you got to cut the lilac down. Cut down the lilac. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Are you doing that or am I doing that? >> Oh, I don't care. If we're there painting, let's get rid of it. >> Just cut it down. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Most of next week's going to be raining. >> I've got a chainsaw. I have to do this. We probably just do it with loppers.
>> What's that? >> Big choppers. >> Oh, that's the base. On the base. They are. >> Well, that that part we probably want to leave. >> Oh, I'm sorry. You You just want to trim it. >> No, I want to We're going to cut it down. Bring it down to like 18 in maybe. >> Oh my god.
>> Yeah, bring it down. >> We're not going to I thought I thought we were going to cut it down to the ground >> and back. Hope it died. >> No, I don't care if it comes back, but it just it's too leggy and tall right now >> and it hasn't been properly >> tended to. Yeah.
>> Oh, right. Yeah. >> Yeah. I thought we were cutting it all the way down to the ground, too. >> All right. 12. I'm not saying that I wanted it to, but I thought it was an insistence that >> all the big ones you're supposed to cut down to right down to the wall. >> Then let the small ones cut them down
like you said 18 in and then let it come back again >> is what I've been taught. >> So the day or whatever we needing it, I'll I'll I'll bring the >> Everyone in Essex County has died at this point. They are looking really everywhere
>> on all my properties have no leaves on them. So I don't know if there's a virus going around but all lilacs have left the town. >> Mine I we cut ours down at the beginning of September and they are like there's like the giant little bushes now. They look like these. >> Yeah, mine are doing fine.
>> Yeah, >> mine are in the back too. >> But before them they look shady and I I had like no blooms this year. Like it was definitely a >> Yeah, >> it was sick. It was pretty dry. >> I would say we should if you want to paint, you guys should wait at least a week. >> Yeah, because next week all wet and it
gets dry again on like Monday and Tuesday and then it gets wet. >> You're talking about a pretty serious storm on Sunday night. >> Really? >> We're finally getting like the hurricaneness come in of rain Sunday night through Monday. >> Yeah, we need it. >> We'll take the water.
>> There's been a high pressure system sitting out in the Atlantic that's that's been >> spinning it. Uh, you know, it's been uh determining our weather. Um, >> all right. Then we have a big list of things that we never get to. Are we at that point yet? >> I mean, there's nothing nothing else we
can do at this point. >> Uh, so so I I'll consider going to that. >> Let us. >> All right. There was another one somewhere that we were there's a virtual
meeting thing that I sent out. things that come in right after I >> finish sweep also, right? >> Sure. >> Yeah. >> I use all the broom sweeps now >> because the rubber ones they just >> especially when we're not heating the
place. Nice broom sweep just to keep the mouse out. >> Yep. some of the stuff that we got from Michael at Mass Historical, I emailed you guys to forwarded because um
instead of trying to relay it once a month that you could at least get the info, he's um I like him. he gets right back and I figured he'd just send me a quick thing. He sent me all this info and I said thank you and asked him another question. He was boom like the
ink wasn't dry yet and he was answering me. So I really I really like you know when people get back to you especially because we don't have any we didn't have our previous lady who was always there but
he's snapping right at it so that's good I think. Okay. If we don't have any other business, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. >> I move that we adjourn. Uh second, I'll second that. >> 8:12.
>> All in favor? Bye bye.