So today is the 17th of February. This is the open space committee meeting calling to order. Um and uh so today um we have somewhat of a shorter agenda. We've got plenty of work to do though. So, um, well, we're going
to go over some of this stuff that, um, Satie and I put on the agenda and we've been kind and have a plan moving forward. Um, but before we dive into that, um, Eva, I see you're on board. Um, I don't know if you have anything that you want to talk about up front,
um, this is the part where we have citizens queries. So, do you wanna you have anything to provide or you'd like to say? >> I I do. uh with Satie. She sent me a overview.
>> Yes. The the cultural section of uh correct >> like town background plan section. Yes. And if I was going to add anything to this, I would focus a little bit more on
the fact that we were a cattle rearing company. And uh the best example I I think the best is couriers history of Newbury. This just yeah history of Newbury. Page 3233
gives you the the breakdown of um when the first settlers came and when the first Dutch and um Scottish ships came with the cattle and how eventually the corporation went bad. It didn't last long, but that is really why they were
they were together. So, if you just read that little blip and maybe focus a little bit more on on that's what we came here for, to raise to raise livestock. Ah okay. So like in the section where it
says Newbury 1635 settlement by English Puritans was characterized by a transition from a closenit agrarian community into foundational pillar of Massachusetts. >> So weave in there somehow the first settlers designation rever refers to a group of a 100 pioneers. So was that the
hundred pioneers that came in to be cattle ranchers? >> It was it was 97 to start. Uhhuh. >> But um if the like I said curry gives a really good history. It even gives it even tells when the first ship came of of um Dutch and and Scottish cattle and
and um other livestock. It it showed up only about a month after May of 1635. So right away. And I've read another account where they really believe that this was the promised land. the natives have been only been kind of wiped out by
disease only a few years before. So they saw all this open field and they you know they they were really set here to raise cattle so other communities could come and get what they needed. But it it went bad. It only lasted a few months
before the herdsman um I think it was Thomas Coleman abandoned his post which caused the cattle and eventually the land to to
divide amongst just that those few. So it played a big part in what we have you know what it ended up being settled as but it's a good read anyway. Curry is page about I think about page 32 it starts. It's a it's a
nice count. >> Awesome. Okay. Good. Thank you for that >> because we really are founded on cattle raring. >> Yeah. Yeah. So interesting. No, thanks so much for your perspective on that. You know, I feel like we could write
obviously a whole book on it, but um we were limited to only like a page and a half or something, so we had to just come up with some highle points. So really >> and I think I think it's it's really captured wonderfully here, but the fact that that we really did set out the the
plans were made in in England before they even came for a cattle raring company. >> And a lot of people don't know that. I I there's not a lot written, but Curry does have a good account >> if you'd like to read it. >> Thank you.
>> Excellent. And that's really about all I have on this end. Unless there's anybody that has something for the commission >> that um you know you need help with. All right. Well, thank you. Um I don't
in particular. Does anybody else have anything for Eva? >> No. I think that was really helpful though, Eva. And thanks for reviewing um what was written. Yeah. And thanks for keeping me in the loop.
>> We'll continue to do stuff. >> All right. So, if I'm good, I'm gonna say good night. Thank you. >> That's great. >> Good night. Thank you. >> Good night. >> Excellent. Okay, that's great. Um, so seeing no other citizens,
um, then we're going to move on to the meeting minutes. Has, um, so we had a tag team effort to transcribe those and record those. Has everybody had a chance to review them? Um, and are there any other comments or things that you'd like to add to the meeting minutes?
Okay. Hearing none, um, then I'd like to move to accept the minutes. So moved. >> There's David. >> I >> All right. And I'll um I'll second it.
>> Excellent. Thank you, David. You're just in time to get to the the meat of the agenda. >> Well, I'm glad my timing was right. Excuse me for being a little late here. Yeah,
>> no worries. Glad to see you. Um, okay. So, um, we just city and I were brainstorming on on the agenda what would be most appropriate. Um, so we just kind of said action, plan, review, housekeeping, but really this is a a plan. I think the plan review to kind of
pull the dipstick to see where we're at. Um, so last meeting, um, we agreed that we were going to try to button this up the best to our abilities and get that this over to Marame Valley. The idea is that we'll give them the best draft that we can and
then have them review it um and then provide us with feedback to improve improve the draft. Uh and then also see what else they could help us with because there's definitely some areas where we're not experts and there may be some shortcomings and where they've done this before. I think they could really
help us develop this this plan. Um so so s everybody's been working on their sections. Um Satie had a bunch of sections to add to it. Um so what we've done is now kind of taken everybody everybody's sections were in PDF format
and we started to compile them all into one document. So, I don't know if you've noticed, um, but in the Google folder, the Google Drive, there is now a folder, and it's a open space recreation plan
draft. And if you go in there, there's a um word a Google document, Word document or Google Word, I guess it is, um, with everything together. And it looks like uh Christine and S have done some really
good work um starting to put that in and format it um into our template that we had from earlier in the year. And then also I haven't opened this yet but there's yeah so city inserted all the
PDFs in the um in the old versions. So that's all our work there. And so what we're proposing is now to start working on this word document. See now everything's been pretty close, you know, it's getting close anyways. Um and
if you're going to work in the document, then we use um essentially which is a a track changes which if you're familiar with um Microsoft Word um it's very similar. I think it's um yeah, if you go
into um Google Word and then if in the upper right pencil, we can show you how to do this. I think we can share a screen, but you put in suggested edits and essentially that's the same thing as track changes. >> Yeah, I I can share. Does anyone not
know how to do that? Just to change from editing to suggesting mode. Does that make sense to everyone? Why don't you go ahead and we can start looking at the document? >> Yeah, I mean I I guess um also I just want to check in with the committee
before we just start diving in on the document. Um if people um as long as people are on board with what we're doing and the and if they had any suggestion or input moving forward. I just had a question and that is has
there been pardon me any update to what was on you know what that document had on it as of let's say a week ago or something. >> Yeah. Yeah. Um I think that people put
in some sections that they were working on. I know like for example Sadi has got some of her stuff in here now. >> Yeah. I put in some some stuff for the executive summary and the intro and um
like I think other than that all the narrative sections are in there. Um it's just the action plan that we need to >> Right. So I guess that's what my
question is in particular regard to is have you >> have you done anything different from stuff we saw a month ago >> a little bit. So Christina and I started
to tackle the the that chapter 8. So it's it's needs um action plan, tenure plan, >> right? And so we've started an outline. It's rough, but it's also once
once I started digging in on it, I realized to task you with that section was a pretty big ask because there's that to me that section is like the most important part of the plan. And it's where everything that we've been working on. All our sections kind of get come
down into one section. So the like the needs is going to refer back into some of the sections that we wrote. So like for example and we can get to it. I don't want to jump ahead actually because um because it it we really need
to draw on everybody to finish that section I think. And so again, jumping ahead, what my plan was is that we can kind of go through the document as it is now and we can look at the stuff that Sadi's done. Um, there's more work to be
done and then when we get down to that section 8, we can kind of identify what's the best way to finish that section. And I think it would be either all of us or a few of us kind of chipping in together to to finish that.
>> Yeah. Okay. So, can you just like list off the different sections where there's new text just so everybody is aware? >> Yeah. Um, >> I think that would be helpful. >> So, yeah. So, this this document is new
as of a few days ago because it's it's, you know, everything compiled into one. We didn't have that before. Um, so I entered in section one two. I entered in the climate change section in section
four and um Bill and Christina added things to section six and the chart like the um the baseline chart for the action plan
section. Um and I believe those are all the things that are new from last meeting. >> Yeah. And I added in in section four, I did all of my changes in track changes. So you'll see, you know, any new text that I wrote into section four is in
track changes. >> Okay. So let me ask a dumb question being the um digital idiot that I am often u and that is if you go into this document
um what I was finding difficult and I guess that's what my addition original question was about difficult to find out how recent it is where's it where's its
um where's its identifier that tells you that this is you know the document as of two days ago that I couldn't find maybe >> there's a there's a date in the title of
the document but you can also I actually not sure how to do it but you can see like version history um I think >> probably starting now I'm not sure does it go back before so the data The document is in the title. It's the 15th
of se of February and that's what was online for everybody's sections as of like last week. >> Okay. Okay. Uh let me All right. So I need to find the document if I while
we're doing that. So please go ahead. That answers my question. >> Okay. Do you guys want me to share and just, you know, briefly >> Yeah. >> run through it? >> Okay.
Um, >> and maybe show where you're getting it from in the folder. So, like don't like go back up a little bit. >> I will >> go to Google Docs. >> That was a good idea. Okay. >> And while Sadi's doing that, the version history is on the file menu. You go down
to version history and see version history. So, Okay. >> When you're looking at the doc, go to file version history. >> Good to know. Awesome. Okay. So, yeah. So, I'm in the I'm in this folder and
then I go to OSRP draft and then these are all the old individual versions of our sections. And then I've just put this here, the final like document. And then yeah, what
um Jim was saying, if you want to see the version history, you go to file and then version history and then you click see version history and you can see different edits. So we did upload it today, but um
it's been a couple days in the making. Um and then to change the mode. So right now I'm in editing mode. So, like changes I make, you can't really tell. But if I go to suggesting and then I
delete stuff, it'll show like that I made an edit if that makes sense. Um, so yeah, we can start. Um,
this will have to be filled in. um list of figures as well. Um yeah, if you all want to, you know, check this section out or read anything or add anything, please feel free. Um
>> yeah, and just as you do it, just leave this suggested, you know. >> Yeah. >> Track so other people can see that you've added to it and they can review it. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> Are we >> okay? Are we talking about like like
content >> changes versus I know we talked about at one point like you know the flow from section to section of a singular voice or style that's later on right like the
sort of I don't know what to call that exactly but the and we're we're just talking about stuff now to review. So before we hand off to MVPC, like just doing one final check on content gaps, if we want to call it
that, or maybe corrections that are like grammatical within an existing, you know, with the paragraph that >> we just feel should be changed now. Is that right? We're not doing like, you know, the final
>> not the final voice or flow or anything. We're kind of like sending it over to Marramac Valley and see how far they can get it. >> Yeah. Not we're not trying to change a sentence around so that it oh it's more consistent with the previous sentence. >> I think I think yeah they want they want to catch us before like >> Exactly. I just want
>> I think we don't need to put too much more time into the narrative section because I'm sure that they will have comments that we'll need to you know >> we'll have edits to do. So >> yeah, I didn't I just wanted to make sure I was Yeah. >> clear that we're just doing a quick scan
just to make sure one final before we send it. Great. Yes. That is that's a good clarification. Um >> yeah, so this is definitely in the rough the rough draft stage. Um but it's a
start. Um >> so uh Satie, >> yes, >> I think that's a quick question. >> Yeah. >> Um so what I'm seeing here, this is you're editing this in Word or is this uh the Google editor?
This is this is the Google that the Google doc that everyone is has access to. No. No. Um, okay. Let me ask again. Uh, when I click on this thing on my phone, it comes up in the Google Docs
editor, which I don't think is the same as the one I'm looking at here. >> Uh, okay. But, uh, not that that's a big issue. Uh, >> I think it is. >> It's the same. >> Yep. I think it is the same. >> Yeah.
>> Well, I'm just not seeing any icons at all and and there's no file menu or anything. It all the information I think is there. I've been able to find well just about everything. >> It's because it's the phone. It's going to have not display as much by default
when you're viewing it. You can get you and you're not going to be able to guess all the different file uh top menu options. That is correct. You'd have to open it. >> Okay. >> In a desktop. >> Yeah. I think a desktop is definitely easier to make edits and things like that, but I think on a phone if you need
to make an edit, there's like a little there should be like a little pencil icon in the bottom right or somewhere. I'm not I just can't remember off the top of my head where it is, but >> uh Okay, there's a viewing mode. I don't know if that's it, but it still doesn't look the same. It doesn't really matter.
I I just want to read through it. I don't and if I do have anything um I did notice that >> I can use the same thing as before which is just to leave the little comments >> and that's what we're pretty much what
we're doing right. Yeah, I to just interrupt a minute. I'm okay. I guess I'm feeling a little bit here from the outside looking in and I'm finding that a group of you are very familiar with
this doc this Google document issue and move around very comfortable in it. Others of us obviously being me and I'm hearing now maybe Sean a little bit in a different sense um
have some issues and one of my issues is that as far as I can see I have a link which when I which was from a previous I think email from Sadi and when I use
that link what happens is it wants me to go into uh my Google account. Okay. Um which is a pain in the butt in the first place. Uh >> I guess I'm happy to send anything like
I guess at this at this very stage. We're not going to be doing too much editing. It's just kind of a review of what we have so far. So I can send it to you as a word doc if that's easier. Well, yes and no in the sense that okay, so um
I went looking for some stuff and obviously it was a couple of days be okay the the document I've now opened has as Christina pointed out 2026 0215
which is 2 days ago right well the last time I opened it it's the date was considerably before that now I can't remember. It was probably a week or a little more ago. I've been doing a lot
of things as you might imagine. So I'm not quite sure which day it was. Anyway, my point is that I go into this one which if I again I'm hearing rightly from Christina is sort of the latest one
because it has the date on it. And I go into um section six, management needs C, right? Which is the analysis of needs. Okay. And it's blank.
Well, it wasn't blank before. What's happening? You see what I'm saying? In other words, I don't know whether I'm looking at something which is truly today's issue or whether it's something
that somehow isn't right because before it seemed to me there was things in there. Now maybe they've been taken out and I've no way of really knowing that. And maybe there is a way but I couldn't find it. >> Well, we can just open it up. I guess
Satie, do you do you know if there was anything in section six that didn't get sent over in Word, so it hasn't been added? >> Um, I don't there wasn't a section six uploaded before.
Um, but let me see. I can look in my >> I guess >> I don't see a section six that was already drafted. So, the only section six information we had, David, you did send some notes. Um, >> yeah. Right. So,
>> those were you sent those out to us as a an attachment in email and so they weren't incorporated yet. >> I thought I think it's possible that I misinterpreted what you had sent, David.
>> Well, I was reacting to something. That's what I'm You see? >> I didn't think it was I I I thought it was comments, not um not like actual content you wanted included.
>> Um well, okay. So, this is part I think of for me the issue here. And I'm only concerned that that to some degree, not so much that what I think or don't think doesn't get in there. I can deal with
that when it gets to be a big final draft. I'm just thinking that people are I'm not trying to blame anyone, but I'm trying to what I'm thinking is people are off operating with some different assumptions as to what's going on and
what's happening and how my comments about um okay uh uh that I sent out were based on something that I was reacting acting to.
They had to have been um uh let's see, wait a minute. Um okay, I've got a copy of them here. Um okay. Um which were in relation to the 26
meeting there. Um okay. Yeah. So, um, that's what I was doing and and what I'm I I just wondered where where that hap, you know, where that got
reconciled, that's all. Um, and now I understand the status of the document is essentially up there in the date line. But is there any other way of getting into this document except for the
cumbersome way from my perspective of having to use a Google account and then you know and that means you've got to use a browser in in my world anyway.
uh you guys working on something I that's sexier than my system probably lightly. >> No, it's just the really without us all being on a shared network. It's kind of the only way we can all
>> work on the same thing, you know, at the same time. >> If we were town employees and had access to like the town file system, it would be different. But because we're not, we this is like kind of the best way for us to all have access to the same thing
at the same time. >> Yeah. I think also once you I mean and I and I'm sure I or somebody else or Sadi can maybe show you walk you through real quick on your machine um the best way to
do it. The the beauty of this Google Docs besides we all have access to it is that it's almost like a living document. So, as we make like I can click in. I just saw Jim's clicked in. I can see where Jim's working right now as he's clicked around with his so I can see like we're all working together at the
same time. And then with the suggested edits, we can also see what people have done. Um, >> it's probably not that easy on an iPad or a phone. It's probably much easier on a physical computer regardless if it's a Mac or a PC. That doesn't matter. But I
would imagine a iPad or a phone might be difficult for this. >> Yeah. Well, I'm using in this case, I mean, I'm I'm using a computer, >> you know, with two screens, so I don't have lots, you know, I can have lots of stuff up at once. Um, okay. Well, I I
just needed perhaps to go through these questions which were out there for me. And now at this point, why don't you know, let me listen along to to where you're going. I there my residual
concern simply will be if one has reactions that appear in this document. uh but they're lengthy which one of the reasons I sent out the email was because I didn't think
the you know I ended up with a a word document which basically fills a page and that and the Google thing isn't designed for that in my estimation >> is it? Yeah, I read your comments,
David, and they were all really good comments. And actually, when we get to um section six, um I think that it's really good information that needs to be incorporated. >> Um so again, in this Google Docs, if you
have like a a short thing, even a paragraph comment you want to make about a section, you can put that in a comment still. You don't have to. You can. So, there's track changes where you can go and actually manipulate some of the paragraph or text or you can add a comment and then we'll all see it or do
exactly what you did, send an email and then we can review that because I fully intend um to look at your email when I'm looking at and reviewing um say analysis of needs and make sure that like protecting the upper and lower grain no-brainer, right? We got to do that and
um that's going to go in there and that's what your comment said. You you right you could also legit type your like right into the text and we would see that it was from you and you you could even say like >> co >> commenting on this and you you could put a whole paragraph in there and we would
see that that was your response to something if you didn't want to do it uh well it would it would still show up as a track change. So, it would like have a little call out that would show us that it would came from you, but you could physically type it right into the word document and it would just highlight
that like um I'm looking at section 4 and Christina made a bunch of edits and it shows up in purple on on on my computer. Things that she's deleted are still there. They just have a line through them. And then new text is just there in purple and I could see that that came from her and those are her
>> changes in this instance. They're they're her changes. But you could also simply add a paragraph in there of your thoughts that we could then, you know, either incorporate into the text or, you know, change our text based on your comments if that was an easy way for you
to um get get that out to all of us. >> Okay. So, so it does allow direct editing into the text. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> We all have edit permission, right?
>> Right. Yeah. Right. >> And I think the only thing is that Satie gave a really good suggestion that you don't stay like she's sharing her screen right now up at the top right when you open it that you change the editing view to suggesting view because you are going
to suggest some edits. And if you click that then we'll be able to see David Pow will suggest that we add this paragraph in here. >> Yeah. Like this is what this is what it will look like here when you delete something. like it'll still be there, but the line will just be through it. >> Oh,
>> and you get that by you have to turn on suggest changes mode. >> Yes. >> On your if you're using a phone. Okay. >> If you were in editing mode, you'd be actually wiping out, >> right? >> Or you'd be putting it would be not as clear, right, Christina? That's what you're saying.
>> Right. Right. >> Right. Right. We wouldn't be able to find the changes that you made and everybody wants to review them. So, >> Yep. >> Yeah. Because up to now I've the only thing I've been doing is adding the little uh little blocks that pop up. That's the only place I put anything.
>> Yeah. Can you still do that? Can you still just add um comments to the side, Satie? How do you do? >> Yeah, >> that's the plus. Yeah, right in the column there. Yeah, >> it's Yeah, here you can add a comment. >> Add a comment. I see it.
>> It also appears there on the >> Is it this? No, that's not it. No, it's like it's right at the edge of the page there on the right margin. Like if you highlight some text, you'll see it creeply pop up. The little comment symbol if you go uh anyway
>> there there's just Yeah, >> here's here's another way to do it, >> right? >> That's I mean that's most likely >> I just do. >> All right. Okay, >> Ignore me. Okay. Um I am happy to help
anyone with technology at any time. If anything else comes up, please just reach out to me. But in the interest of time, I think we should move to content >> uh content discussion. So, um
yeah, we have the executive summary. It's it's a rough one. It's a rough draft, but you know, I think um I can make some changes this week. And I want to my goal is to send MVPC a draft of
the narrative sections by Thursday, by the end of the day. So, um, >> yeah. And Satie, my gut is executive summary. We usually write last, >> like we've really gotten our our heads around what is in the document and then we can provide a summary of it. So, I
would say to feel pressure >> to much on the executive summary this week. >> Sounds good. Thank you. It's a good reminder. Um, >> should you want all our comments on this by Thursday? Is that what you're saying?
>> Um, yes. If there, you know, I just I don't want I don't want people to rush through anything cuz we'll definitely have the chance to talk through, you know, other changes. Um, and I know that, you know, sections 3,
four, and five have had have been like beaten to death with edits. So, um I think that if you have any very last minute things, then yes, maybe by Thursday. Um >> but not like
us addressing all the comments that get made or that too. Like I'm not going to be able to go through this whole document and do stuff by Thursday. Not going to happen. >> Yeah. Um >> that's one working night to do that. And >> yeah,
>> if it snows tomorrow, that's what I'm doing. So, >> um, yeah, whatever. I guess I guess whatever you can get done by Thursday, >> okay, >> please do, but don't, you know, don't freak out trying to get it done cuz
there will be a chance. But MVPC has really just been like, please send us something. So, like I figured I would just send them, you know, what we have now. >> And like, you know, we could we could, you know, keep picking, but I think it would be good to send them, you know, what we have. So, if you have things
that you want to fix by Thursday, then please do. I'll just, you know, download this document and send it in in an email. So, >> cool. >> Yeah. I think um we were talking about just because they're going to actually be able to help create some content for us and help, I think. So, I I would like
to have it a little bit more finished, but I think at this point, let's just get it to them. And like this last section again, um six, I guess, is um analysis of needs. That's that's we're going to keep working on that even after we send this first part out to them.
>> Yeah, definitely. >> And and and they've offered to look at this more than once, right? >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. And just a question, when uh so you're getting this out to them on Thursday. When when do you think they'll be responding or when do you think we'd
have something to >> um I I imagine they'll get back to us within, you know, a couple weeks. Um they haven't really explained how long it would take them, but um I think they they know what they're doing. I think
they'll have, you know, a pretty >> okay >> expert eye when reviewing. So, it probably won't take them that long. I was hoping that um I know I know their environmental team will review it. I'm just not sure exactly which person on the team will. So, I was thinking, you know, um I think I've been in
communication with K Emmery on the environmental team at MPPPC. So I think um she will be reviewing it and I was hoping that she will join our next meeting to talk about to talk through any you know major edits or things like that. Um
so and so Satie just to you know flag it again like I've got sections in my section 4 that I'm like MVPC can you do this MVPC can you do that? So, if anybody has any other requests that they want every PC to do like, you know, the next 48 hours is a time for you to make sure that you've got that in there. I
know Satie flagged that, you know, three or four weeks ago. So, maybe you've already done it, but um this is also a good time to wrap up any things that we want them to do. >> Yes. Yeah. any data or you know stats or
tables that you think they could supplement then yeah please feel free to just like highlight or make a note of it somehow. Um, >> so >> not to put too fine a point on this, but um,
>> when we send this off to MVPC, that's pretty much going to signal when we pretty much we would it seems like we wouldn't want to be making any more changes to the document until we get it back from them. Is that am I missing a point there?
>> I think that would be good. Yeah. So, just Yeah. Don't don't worry about making >> we get two weeks off then >> after Thursday. >> Yeah. >> Um two weeks of uh deserve vacation. Okay. >> Yes. >> Um and Kristen and I talked for a while
today about how we'll continue in the next month or so. Um, and >> she I I told her that, you know, we've all been, you know, working on this action plan
brainstorming document and, you know, everyone's, you know, made comments and added things in. Um, and Christina and Bill made that great, um, action plan, you know, grid template in the in the
larger draft document. Um >> so Kristen and I had talked about um you know taking this document that we have and you know comparing it with the old >> open space plan and just kind of
you know creating a baseline action plan that we can then talk to MVPC about. Um so it's got more of an organized structure when we bring it to MVPC for you know guidance. Um, and we don't think that that would be able to be
finished by Thursday, but you know, we'll give them the narrative sections, they can start reviewing that, and then we can work on the action plan, me and Kristen. And then once, you know, we hear back from them about the narrative, then we can send them the action plan and be like, where do you think we are
um with this draft? So, I think that would be a good course of action for the next couple weeks. Um, and then we can come together again after we've got all that review and make the edits we need to.
Um, cool. So, um, I guess we can continue through going through this. Um,
so I think section 3 is close to done. Um, we got some highlighted stuff for MVPC to review. >> Was that for MVPC or was that for us to review and make some decisions? I know that there's some questions. Um,
>> so my, you know, that's a good question, Christina. I originally before we talked about handing off to MVPC I had kind of that highlighted in the sense that that's additional information we could put there but do we really feel like
it's important to call out um in this section uh in part because you know the the suggested length was three pages. I know we don't have to stick to that for sure, but um
so you know it got into more demographic information that just may be if you're really talking about there are references to to you know sort of demographics and different segments of the population
scattered throughout that section in other areas. But this is basically borrowing from the previous plan and saying they also included data on that but it was 20 plus pages. So um and I didn't have the data you know readily available even at least through the
sites I was looking at. So I didn't want to you know do a deep dive on something that might not be relevant. It might be better just to see what MVPC says and uh you know you can leave it at that. A lot
of some of this is also all in the um it's in the master plan so it would be very redundant >> in that sense. Um but it's not quite you know it's it's not it's it's it wasn't copy and pasteable I guess in a succinct
way. Yeah. No, I would say that if it's not like even though it was in last the last plan, if it wasn't specifically called out in the workbook as being required in this plan, then >> yeah,
>> my gut says like let's not even spend the time trying to create it from scratch, >> right? Yeah. So that's why I had it highlighted to sort of really question whether we want to have it um since you know again since it is in the master
plan also and it starts to get a little bit away from the idea of open space even though we want to call out certain populations as either being challenged or you know having future needs and so on. But I
think those are called out, you know, in in text as opposed to, you know, defining them more in more detail here. >> Yeah. Just even looking at the review checklist that the workbook has >> for section three, it's like
>> general physical location, open space and recreation resources. And then in terms of population, it's density, age, income, EJ population is not applicable. >> Exactly. And then growth and development patterns is just infrastructure by water
>> zoning and ecological impact. So yeah, if none of those things I don't think any of those things pop on that list. >> Does anybody disagree with like just wiping out of this? >> I'm happy to exclude it right now. That
would be great. >> Does anybody disagree? >> No, I think you've you've got it, Christina. So that that checklist you have is actually really useful and I haven't looked at that in a while before we send
that over Marc Valley. It wouldn't hurt to just kind of zip through that and make see how we're doing and if we're missing spots we can identify that and that's something that we can work on in the meantime maybe. Um so maybe everybody can take a look at it and then look at this document or maybe
Satie before you send it out at least something that you could buzz through to see uh if we're falling short anywhere. >> That is true. I will do that. >> I can, as you can see, I'm highlighting it. I can just get rid of it right now if you want. >> Yeah, I Let's do it.
>> He's gonna do it. >> Just to see it. >> He's in editing mode, so it's gone. >> And that is gone. You're absolutely right. Yep. Good point. Good call out. I do >> that works. That works for this purpose,
I think. All righty. Moving on through the section. Um, this I think is us editing, right? >> Yeah. And that again is sort that was something to discuss in the group here.
And I did not get like you know there's a little bit of over not a little bit there is overlap with >> other sections in terms of if we're talking about like infrastructure there's mentions of you know the
roadways sidewalks other things but then if you get to I did not include anything about like water access we had um you know certainly the refuge access and everything that's highlighted there as
well as get too much into the active recreation stuff. So, I didn't put it in here because, you know, this would I was kind of saying maybe section three isn't we can we can you know I you can have a paragraph that just references it. Um I
know Mike like in your section with the parcels you also reference uh some stuff around uh like roads and sidewalks and things. So, you know, there's just other references in other areas. So, I didn't I just have sort of run out of steam and
didn't have um you know, was sort of just deciding maybe it's not worth putting in here. >> My gut says that we should write something about water infrastructure. It it calls out in the um checklist
>> water infrastructure for recreation needed for conservation. And I think that if we ever did say like want to add a canoe like I think David one of your comments on the action and needs is that we need more access to water. So I feel like if we it would be good to write
something that says like we have these things now but demand for outdoor activities has increased so much that we need more which will like lay the foundation for us to make that as part of our needs and our action and then going for money for it. So that's what my gut says. I'm happy to try and write
a few sentences if it's helpful, Jim, or help help you write a few sentences in the next >> I mean, I can definitely do it. I thought I was I thought I had seen some references in other sections and that's why I wasn't putting it, but um >> uh I can you know, if you have So, I I'm happy to do that.
>> I'll do some things off the top of my head and I'll email them to you and you can use them or not. >> If you want to do that, that's great. Okay, I'll just email. >> Yep. >> Yeah. I feel like there is a little overlap in other sections maybe Mike touched on a little bit in section five but also remember in our survey that was
identified as a need for the town. >> So it's and in the action items or needs will reference that for sure. So it's definitely important. >> Good. Okay. >> All right. Awesome. >> I do need to run. I apologize. So
>> Oh yeah, you said >> short. Yeah. got through your section. Perfect timing. >> I know. >> Okay. Sorry. Thanks everyone. See you later. >> Thanks. >> See you. >> Bye. >> All righty. Section 4 does have some
things for MVPC, which is which I'll definitely point to. Um, yeah, feel free to stop me if I'm scrolling past anything you guys want to talk about, but um So, I think that um I'll just go in and clean up those things. I think I made
those comments back in the previous iteration, the January 20th iteration. >> I incorporated some comments that um commission committee members had made and so I'm just going to accept the changes that I made and because I don't think
I've seen any comments on them to this point. So, if anybody wants another chance to take a look at it, you know, let me know and I can hold off. >> Okay, sounds good.
I think that applies basically to the rest of your section. Um, climate section is here that I've added. Um, can feel free to peruse it. Um, I need to site
my source that I added. It's basically >> that was a question I had say about references because >> um so how are you how are we feeling about that section? I don't want to jump ahead but >> do we need people to go back and site any
>> references or is that just something we'll maybe >> we can send out to Mirc Valley but on our own? Uh, I wanted to actually ask everyone. I'll ask Jim uh over email, but um
if anyone has sources that they've cited that are not like referenced in the text somewhere like MVP plan, like in the text, if you have something like a um like a stat or something,
um feel free to paste it into the references section. which is uh at the end somewhere. Yeah. So, I've cited some things that I've done. I definitely not
um I've definitely not cited everything that I've used, but it's a start. Um so, yeah, there's a section for it. Um I'm going to ask NVPC about like format. I'm not, you know, I have no idea what format to use, but um they'll definitely
know and then we can kind of um make it uniform and everything after we consult with them. So that's that's my plan. Just if you have anything, please just enter it in. Um
so um yeah, where were we? Um, >> uh, Satie, >> yes. >> One thing I was going to, uh, I don't know, kind of suggest about the
references is, >> um, okay, I guess it's a general more of a general question. Um, are we trying to uh are we trying to uh just make a a list
of all of the references, reference material that we included or are we trying to draw an association between what we've included in that reference sections and where it's used in the document? Are we going to be doing both
of those things or just just the list? Um, I'm not sure what is the best course of action there. Um, it might be good for now to like if you have
if you know where in the text you used the reference to like keep track just in case we need to do that. But I I I gen I'm sorry I don't know the answer to the question. Um, >> okay. I I mean what all I've been doing is putting the references in that section. So
>> I think that's fine. >> I haven't >> like% sure but I think that's okay. Yeah. >> Can I make a practical >> practical suggestion? >> Yeah.
>> To resolve this. Look at how other towns have accomplished. >> Yeah. I was gonna say I I haven't I have not dived into how we're going to do references, but >> that is a good idea. Well, yeah, this
relates to a larger question which I just want to throw out before I really need to leave shortly. And that is that I think it's important that you
are clear about what it is you're asking the commission MVPC to actually do because you can't expect them to go through the document in in in regards to
data and information. Um >> well I I we've like made it pretty clear where they need to supplement information. I'm I'm going to like point to page numbers and be like we are missing information here. Can you provide this, you know, like particular
piece? Um but I think they're going to do a pretty comprehensive review if that's what you mean. >> Well, yeah, but what is Okay. What does that mean? In in other words, are they reviewing it for
um the accuracy of the information, the the update of the information, or are they also, I think, much more, to be perfectly honest, much more helpful to a group like an open space committee. Are
they reviewing it in relation to their experience of the current pattern and acceptance rate within both this regional area and any others they're aware of in terms of how people
have been handling this because that's what you're up against in terms of getting it through the state hurdle. Okay. The state doesn't know mostly where we are or care. They simply
care that we hit a number of objectives which they're looking for and that essentially yes the local regional people have looked at it and have blessed it. And so all I'm suggesting is that yes, it's important that they help
us with data, but it's their value is much better in I think not better, but their best value is saying, "Okay, let us make a couple of suggestions about
how you're handling X, Y, or Z based on our experience." And if they know that's what you're look maybe you decide you're not but in my recommendation would be that's that's
the expertise that's the experience which they have outside of this because it has struck me over the last couple of decades working with similar committees like this in towns
other than both including Newbury and other towns. And that is the one fatal mistake they make all of the time is they don't look at what else is happening around them. And the people who have experience about
this or should have that experience are your regional planners. >> That's what we're going to tap into them for, David. Yep. You got it. That's what they're going to do. >> Okay. So with that thought, I think you're, you know, you're tustling with a
a somewhat un unwieldy creature who doesn't always want to bend in the way you might like. But I I think you're all doing, you know, a good job and will experience a little more frustration
probably before the the goal is reached. But keep at it. And if I can help more by u being a vankular I will. And at the same time um I I think it is coming together. But you need to make sure
you're all striving for the same sort of goal I think which I think is part of the operation tonight. Okay. So good night and thanks for listening. >> Bye David. >> Thanks David. See you.
Thanks for your input and your help. >> I just looked really quickly at two of the plans that have been approved by the state in the last couple years just from the list. And they're both of them have one page of resources and it's just a
list. It doesn't have citations to page numbers or blah blah blah. It's just like we looked at the master plan. We looked at the, you know, mass GIS, the US Census Bureau. like it's very um very minimalistic.
>> Yeah. >> So I think what you guys have is looking good. >> I think that's the big difference between today and 10 years ago, you know, is I think the state has recognized the burden and tried to make it a little lighter.
>> Yep. >> Just the their checklist alone now compared to like the old one is just, you know, not as detailed. as like the 2010 one had to be 20 2009 one. >> Yeah,
it looks like they're approving them faster, too, because they're Yeah, >> there's a whole bunch of ones that have shown up in the last year or so since I last looked at the list. >> The the list you shared um the town of
Hudson with us and for me that's been really helpful to have like the big picture what it's supposed to look like. Where do you have the list of all the other ones that have been approved? >> Um, you can uh there's no Is there a chat function? No. Um, you can just go
to the just Massachusetts Open Space and WCK plan like just their main page, the states page, and they just have a bunch of links. And then there's um
um open space and wck plan status. Thanks, Satie. >> Yeah, I I've definitely seen it. I haven't >> It went by um right like after appendix F. So, it just shows what's been approved.
It doesn't actually have the link to the plan, but then you can just go to the town website and find their plan. So, I just looked at um uh where what was I at? I already got rid of it. One of the A's or B's. I
started at the top. I think I looked at Bolton. They're kind of a similar size to us. And Abington. I wasn't I don't know where Abington is. Um they are long unwieldy documents. I I
won't like spend a lot of time talking tonight, but I just wanted to just like really appreciate the what you guys are all doing cuz it is not an easy process to struggle through group writing of plans, which is what you're all doing.
Um, I looked at it today. Satie and I have talked a lot along the way. I think it is in good shape. I think we'll definitely get MVPC staff to like really like hone in on how do we tighten this up and get it going. Um, and I I know
Satie, I think I sorry I had to get on another phone call for a minute, but um I think you were talking about like the next phase of the action plan and I would be happy if you guys are all comfortable with that. I was just saying to Satie like let's take all the pieces
you have like you've you've got in these documents the you know the chart um bring in what you have from your action plan brain dumping from everything and then just like share it around in the same way but if you guys
are comfortable with that I'm happy to work with Satie on that and then get it into a draft as Satie said like over the next couple weeks that we could work on that while MVPC is working on like the narrative and the data and all the rest of it
>> sound. >> Yeah, I mean sounds great. I was that was kind of where I was going to end the meeting is like somehow we're all going to have to do that. But if you can help us with it, that would be huge. You guys are definitely well versed in this area.
So I'm I'm definitely up for that. Um, I do. Yeah. So, Satie's as super busy as I am these days, but I I think it's there. So, I think just like finding some hours to
draft it. I mean, you guys you guys have I know how much work you've all done, so I think it's all in there. Um, I do tend to think I I know there's been discussion about not going back to the old plan and like hashing it through
line by line like do we want to keep that? Do we not want to keep that? But I would certainly think in my head at least looking at what you had before that was approved before and just at least like
that top level of goals. You know, open space recck plans aren't, you know, they all kind of will have a lot of the same stuff, right? They'll have farmland, they'll have wildlife habitat, they'll have climate resiliency. So we can bring in those top
level goals and then all the details that you've all gathered through the public meetings and you're diving in that'll be like the really powerful bit of you know identifying the real actions
and then the responsibility and the priorities. Um that'll be where you know both everything you've learned over the process, but then that'll be the going back out to the public, right? Like we
we're going to need to aim towards giving the public a chance to review all those action items. Um so I think the narrative and all the documentation is in great shape.
Well, thanks. I I agree as I was starting to try to brainstorm around this this last section. Um, and so I guess I mean we put some thought into it. So if we can help um and I we can relate those to you or I mean and Sadi
um certainly help you guys with that section. And I mean, you can kind of see the outline that may look a little familiar to you cuz I mean, we were looking at the Hudson plan and we thought that was a really nice layout how they presented it. So, we're trying to follow that somewhat format that
flow. So, anyway, >> is that the that that's in the draft? That's what >> Yep. >> Yeah. I I mean, that looked perfect to me. >> I thought it was good, too. So, that's kind of what we're headed with.
it, you know, in the in the in that section, you have to hit on certain things, right? It's um so in the analysis needs would be natural resources, protection needs. Um
what's the other ones? >> Um community outdoor wreck needs and management needs. >> Yeah, there you go. Right. And so then we just started filling in some talking points basically about those things that came to our mind and then but that was by nowhere complete right and then we
just took those and just broke them down into the goals really >> so it's just that's our train of thoughts you just take what we identified above and to bring it down into our goals and then that final that last one was um that table is really the timeline.
Mhm. >> So just explain the needs to the goals again to me, Bill. >> Well, >> can you scroll up, Satie? >> Yeah, go ahead. S. >> So these are some needs that were
identified um through certain sources, data sources, right? So through the surveys, um a lot of it comes out of the master plan cuz they did a survey and there was some a lot of crossover in there. So you can pull from that. um we've had conversations with um
committees um stakeholders and so these are the things that have been identified and so that's what my thought would be our analysis of needs and so these by no mean this list is just like an example of things that we were thinking of that so and that underneath say important
farmland there would be like you know a few sentences underneath that that it was identified in the master plan and also in the survey as this is you know unique to and important to Newberry Right. And so then scroll down, Satie. >> So the need is like to preserve
important farmland or like we're losing farmland or what? >> Yeah, I think that's it's a it's a it's a resource that's been identified to important to the people in the town. So it's something that needs um protection,
conservation, or at least consideration. So then um and then you know so I well the goal could be let's say yeah protect and maintain neighbor's existing farmlands or something and then um and
then we could you know underneath that goal would be like uh an objective you know how to accomplish that and we could like group farmlands in with like other types of open space and lands too but you know that's the idea the you know
the thought process time how to make this flow and then once we identified those goals then it goes into that table in the in the underneath and and that's part of the 10-year plan. >> Yeah.
Well, I mean I this looks great to me. I I don't um we can if you want to do any more on it and then we'll carry it on or if you want us to kind of take this structure and then share back with you that's that's fine.
>> Yeah. I guess like in your mind I mean does that make sense? I mean you say it looks good. Is that do you think that works for how you were thinking of doing it? >> Yeah. I haven't really thought through the connection like
I guess if I I might have started looking at the old plan in terms of the goals because again I think the goals are probably going to be pretty consistent um with what's you know with what every plan shows up as
goals and I think the specificity is sort of on the lower levels Um, but I I haven't really thought it through more than that. >> That's a really good point because when I look at other open space space plans, I'm like, man, I could copy and paste
this into our section. It's like everybody it you're right. Open space plans kind of say the same thing, don't they? Everybody kind of wants the same stuff when it comes to open space. >> I mean, I think it's like protection. you know, there's like
acquisition and preservation and action and then there's stewardship and there's, you know, protecting what you have and enhancing what you have and providing, you know, the public benefit related to it. >> Yeah. >> And then,
you know, again, there's there's a lot that can be under it, but the overarching stuff is probably pretty consistent across all the plans that you'd look at. Yep. Agreed. I Yeah. And that's that when my approach to this section would
have been and what could be I guess but would have been um is kind of come up with these overarching these highlevel things and then go through all this data like we um Sadi has a the 10-year plan brain dump. I was going to take that and incorporate that in. I was going to take
um Dave's um David's uh memo that he sent to us and incorporate that because that was representative of conversations he had with a lot of different people and stuff. So yeah, no, I think we're on the exact same page really. >> I also think that like the specificity
is in sort of the prior prioritization, right? It's like, well, we're always going to want to protect farmland, but what do we think right now? And then thinking about it in terms of that 10 year, like I I don't know if they use high, medium, low, or, you know,
near-term, medium-term, long-term, or whatever, but like 1 to 3 years. Like that's kind of a good chunk to think of in each under each of your goals. What do you want to do in the next three years? Like that's I think where this
group and every again all the data gathering that you've done will really like come to bear to make it our plan, right? Like this is what we want to do. We want to
talk to all the owners of chapter 61A land and make sure they understand what an agricultural preservation restriction is. there. That's like a near-term thing, you know, and then you just kind of go through each one and figure that out. But I think that's the, you know, I
remember talking with David about this, you know, a while ago now, probably a couple years ago, this effort, and I just feel like that's where the teeth is and that's where the the power of the action plan is is really
setting forth, you know, anyway, the near-term goals and, you know, how are you going to get there? Um, Satie and I were also talking about I know part of this is where are you going to get funding? Um, and I, you know, we could
probably come up with like a list and actually I we talked Mike like you green belt does this all the time like you know where's our private foundations where's our what are our state grants what is you know the community onetop at the state level have in terms of funding
opportunities but you could come up with that like general list but I kind of think in order to know you know you have to come up with your action item first to be like like what's the thing you need to fund and then you go search for
your your money to match it rather than saying like oh there are these grants what are we going to do with money I really think the driver being you know what the need is and the specific project like do we need more money for a
summer intern right like do we need a stewardship dedicated person do we need a GIS person. What are the things? Um, you know, is it a capital cost? We want to build a boardwalk at Caldwell Farm because the trail gets your feet really
wet. Like the real specificity is then can what fill that column in that chart. Um, >> so I guess um then I guess the challenge there is identifying potential funding
sources where this is so new to the town. I mean, grants sound great to me, but I don't know how easily or even what's out there. I know DSC administers a lot of different grants, right? Is that just like what we identify as a funding source when we
don't really know or >> probably. Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, that would probably be a good one to look at other plans, too, because there's not millions of them, right? But >> I think you can get creative with a
project. Like say we wanted to, you know, build bigger, you know, roadside kiosks at every townowned property. That's like a chunk of capital money. Like you'd have to find a grant
that, you know, lets you buy a bunch of wood. But maybe we could find, you know, retired carpenters who, you know, would love to do a tangible, you know, rewarding project and then, you know, you kind of put it together. But yeah,
my guess is that column is probably pretty similar from plan to plan. >> Okay, cool. >> Awesome. That was >> um anyway I'm talking too much but um
>> no we need we need >> we're close. >> Yeah know it's good that's informative to everybody. I think it was for me anyways. Appreciate it. Um I don't know if yeah like I don't know I guess the
development of the goals I think is will be something we'll definitely want feedback on. So maybe we can start with that. um kind of coming at it from both directions, what Bill, you and Christine
started here, but then also looking at the old plan and just trying to make sure we capture the universe and then once we're kind of comfortable with that, just filling in all those brain dump action items and organizing it a
little bit and then sending it back around. Do you think um that's practical uh to have done by the next meeting in a month? It would be that'd be a good thing to talk about.
>> Sure, why not? >> There's nothing else. No. Um yeah. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we just got to start, right? Um >> I mean even if Yes. Even if even if it's not complete, it'd be a really great
start, I think. >> Yeah, I'm happy to put some time in to get something drafted that's more fleshed out. I know Satie, you also wanted to probably talk about maps a little bit at
the next meeting. >> Yes. Um, so Abby from Green Belt is working on them. They're not done yet, she said. But she um and I told her, you know, we'd love to have you come to the
meeting where we, you know, talk about them so that you can answer any questions that come up. Um and she said she'd love to join the next one. So, um if we think we'll have enough time, then we can add her to the agenda. Um
did did you guys have a date? Remind me. Is it a month from now? >> Yeah, we usually do what every third Tuesday of the month. >> Yeah. So, I think that's the 17. >> 17. Yeah. >> So, I actually know I'm not going to be
available to come to that meeting. Um, but uh you know, so I'll I'll do some work in advance and then you guys can figure out what your you know, what makes sense for that agenda. Um,
I did want to just mention on the maps front, um, we the town annually does updates with Marmac Valley Planning Commission GIS team for the parcel data for the
assessor's data. And um we so Sadie and I have been working with Jason the assessor to you know send that info up to MVPC and we included in this year making sure
we got all those open space updates. Um included the chapter 61 lands and other you know ownership of open space where there were um things that need editing and updating. Um, so they just uh sent
us a link Friday afternoon to my map. So they've brought all that new open space data into the my map layer. So my request to all of you, especially Mike, cuz you work so hard on those lists that
you provided the input and on. But check it out now and just, you know, whatever time you have, look at parts of town that you, you know, you know who owns that open space and just quality check things and see how it's looking. Um, we
also can make sort of requests regarding the um uh cgraphy of it like if you really hate the color of a layer. I one request I had made was it was really hard to tell
the different greens in who the ownership of the open space. Um so they have modified that a little so check that out. There's like new hatching for conservation restrictions. There's like
a speckled dotting for all the chapter 61 lands. So, um, >> we can review that through the town website, the the updated stuff now. Or is there you said a link? >> Um, it's it's the live publicly
accessible my map link. Yeah. And we can send that around. It's I think if you >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I'm not sure if it's higher up on the town website, but I know if you go to the planning department page, you can get it down the sidebar that says my
map. So yeah, I've seen a couple things already. Um, so I do think we'll just all need to quality control it and it's the second we get it updated something will something will change. But we're
just we just had to call it a thing. And then I think hopefully annually from this point on at this time of year, we'll make sure that openspace updates get pulled into the regular parcel updating um with MVPC
and those that data is what will be making the maps for your final open space wreck plan as well. So this is going to be the point in time. Yeah. Oh, okay. So,
when you say my map, that's m i m. >> Yeah, I was going to ask Sean if that was making sense to you. We've spent much time on it. I'm just looking through it now just to see if I can
>> Yeah, you can go to um like a layers. >> Oh, here we go. Okay, >> maybe >> I don't know how long you're >> I never I never go through Google. I always go through
my um my bookmark, but there's >> Here we go. Okay. I see you're doing the same thing I am. Okay. >> I'll race you. >> You're going to win.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> If you scroll all the way down. Yeah. I think the open space is at the bottom. Oh, >> for layers. Yeah. One question I have I don't know the open space layer you can click the
legend too Satie. So um the tab up at the top that says legend. Yeah. And then scroll to the bottom. I don't know what the private actually is. It's the open space that light green
that private lands like Governor's Academy shows up that color. >> Um like this. >> Yeah, that's a weird one cuz it's only like part of part of the
question I had. So, I want to that's a question I have for um for Sophie and Kelsey at Marmac Valley Planning Commission. I mean, what it should be is, I think,
is permanently protected ownership of land. That's, you know, so green belt, you're you've got yellow now. >> Woohoo. municipal. It's that lighter green private. I just
didn't really I'm not sure what that actually means. Um and the hatching I believe is is new as well. >> Yeah. agricultural preservation restrictions and conservation
restrictions. I guess like called that Caldwell farm makes sense if you're looking at that since that's where you are Satie. But >> so that light green is, you know, it's owned by a homeowners association, but
it has a CR um held by the town. So it is privately owned. It could, not that Caldwell has it, but you could have a situation where it also had chapter designation on it, too.
You could have a CR, be privately owned, and be in the chapter program. So, you could have a lot going on. >> And I guess you could have it owned by Green Belt and have a CR held by the state. And
>> yeah, >> I mean, or municipality. We have we have municipalities that hold restrictions on some of our properties, too. So, yeah, it could definitely >> Are there any This one has This one has two things on it. >> It's hatching and the dots.
>> That's the golf course, isn't it? >> Yep. >> Interesting. >> Which I think it might be this mixed use. I can't really tell though. I just don't know who holds a restriction on it.
I don't know if I have that in my table as restricted. >> I've always thought it is, but I don't actually know either. So, >> yeah, >> be worth checking out. Yeah.
>> I I had a question um pertaining to the town owned land in my section. Christina had made a comment about adding a column about level of protection for town-owned stuff. Um, you might be able to answer this, Kristen, but my understanding was that
article 97 under mass laws, basically if municipal land is used as conservation or recreation, it's deemed protected, meaning it the legislature has to vote on it and it has to go to like town meeting to be before
it could be like sold or used changed or or anything like that. Um, so like a municipality couldn't just we couldn't just sell the green or develop the green into housing for example like so it's it's protected but it's like not
protected under the same way like with a restriction or something like that. So >> I I I'm just trying to think of like I I understand the comment and agree that it would be nice to have that information in there. I just I wonder if there's a non-complicated
way to kind of address that because none of the town properties have restrictions on them. I I know that much. So, the only level of protection I could think of would be an article 97 protection under state law. >> Yeah. in I think if I understand that
correctly too, you could sell a property if it goes through all the right channels, but then you also have to put like equal acre. You have to like get equal acreage kind of back now. Like there's the whole no net loss rule in Massachusetts with conservation
recreation land. So I I don't really know how to address you know if it's protected or not for the municip for the municipal own land >> for this are we time out in this chart. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Um I mean the way we did it in IPS if switch was it it's care custody and control. So, which entity has care control of the town owned land? And you can if it's consum that's article 97.
>> Okay. >> And which you're right, like that's >> it's really really hard to get something out of article 97. So that would be like sort of the most you know protected. Um but you can also have something well
Newbury doesn't have it but you know water water supply protection is like care custody control of a board of water commissioners um or select board you know those are the common ones and I
haven't actually gone through that exercise for Newberry but my guess is almost all of them are select board but it has to it's sometimes there's digging to figure that out, right? Like how was it acquired and what kinds of restrictions were in the acquisition
in initially? >> And you know, we I I did work with Martha on on this table to see what she you know, what what she either recalled or had files on or, you know, could could look up. So, like the Grant stuff was what her and I kind of came up
with there, but there wasn't, you know, there's not a lot of uh records for stuff, you know, back in the 80s or prior. So, you know, like she might have had something that literally just said mass help grant 1984. There was no other information,
you know, so some of it might be a little lost to time. Um, as far as the details go there, you know, >> I I mean, I I could see for the Coffins Island piece across the street from me because the trust for public land was
involved in that that there's some further level of protection there. But as far as I know, there's there's no restriction on that either. You know what I mean? So, it I I would think that would be like a classic article 97 situation.
But >> yeah, >> I just don't know how to kind of get all that detail into this table or explain it in a way that would make sense to a lay person, >> right? >> So, I'm up for >> Yeah.
>> or thoughts going about it. >> Yeah. >> And I guess I should look at the old plan, too, to see how we addressed it there, too, because I I don't recall. Yeah, I think it's a good idea because there might be, you know, we might dig
up something that would be an action, right? Like, yeah, Coffins Island really should have another layer of protection on. So, who can we, you know, work with to do that or something? >> But again, I it's sort of like
um maybe we dig as we can, but don't get held up on this, right? like and some of the digging might be look, you know, following a deed back as far as it could go, >> but also maybe it's just like you're
saying, you know, conversation with someone like Martha or, you know, a member of the rec committee who knows, well, that parcel was acquired at that town meeting and we just like literally just like let's write ourselves notes like in the plan like you know, we know
it was acquired at town meeting intended for recreational purposes doesn't yet have any, you know, care custo. We'll just like note what we can figure out. Um there's not tons of them, I
guess. >> Yeah. Some of the stuff like the random salt marsh pieces or whatever, it's just going to be what it is. There's not we're not going to find anything on >> except maybe when it was acquired, you know. >> I know one thing I know has come up that
I don't know enough about, but um we might be able to get some of the historic commission folks to help us out or something. But I think when the town boat ramp was acquired, there was like a portion of that land that was supposed
to be sort of like a park or something. Um, and I've I've always kind of wanted to to like spend some time to figure that out because it's a lot of pavement right now, right? But maybe there's some way I
mean that would be like a classic cool grant application to kind of look at storm water management and you know bring in this like you know more natural park area as it was intended um when it was acquired and still
>> we thought you already that with the whole renovation that happened over the last two years. We thought that you had your hand in that because there is like a little picnic table that sits out there and we were like, "All right, there's the parking element because there's not enough parking there." So, we can't get rid of any of the parking.
But, um, but we did see the the the um picnic table. Thought that was you making it into a >> Oh, good. Yeah. No, >> I've talked to people about it. So, that's sometimes that's what it takes. >> Somebody might you might have planted the seed and uh it made a little area
there. Yeah. I'll just >> Yeah, that's great. >> Mention that the the lighting over there is well improved, too. >> Good to hear. Yes. I haven't forgotten about that conversation, but I had not heard it was been addressed. So, that's awesome.
>> It has. >> Yeah. Good. >> Now, we got to we got to write actions and then like check them off and say done. >> Oh, that's great. Um
yeah, good questions, Mike, about that. And I think, you know, again, it's um I think when somehow the conservation commission is like receives a gift or is, you know,
you know, the grand tour of the CR or the grantee of the CR. That's where I think article 97 stuff is triggered. And if there's nothing that shows that, then I think we'd have to assume it's just sort of general town select board,
>> which is not permanently protected. Right. >> Right. >> Yeah. So, I'll just note I was I had to drop off for another call that came in, but um I'll just note because we're happened to be on this page that I can see on the
screen and I had added in a comment and maybe that's what we're talking about adding a column as to whether these things are permanently protected and it feels like that's like not something that we now have to do as part of this plan to get it published, but something we could kind of do in the background and maybe that's where you guys were all
landing, but it could be like an action in the needs department and then we can just work on it on the For sure. Yeah, that's that's exactly what we were just talking about because I was trying to figure out just quickly to resummarize >> um if if any of our town property
automatically falls under the article 97 protection from the state. Uh there are no conservation restrictions on any of our town owned lands that I'm aware of or that I've found. Um, so it was trying to figure out
what might fall under that um, article designation versus what might not. And um, there's some leg work to do to understand that or at least to be able to put something clearly in this table that um, somebody not in a conservation
background would be able to clearly understand like yay or nay way. So maybe we leave it as it is, but then Kristen and Satie, if you guys are going to write some of the needs and actions, maybe we just add that in as one of the
needs and actions, like review town owned conservation and recreation lands and confirm permanent protection or something. >> That's a good call, too. Yeah. Um, Christina, before you drop off, it's I
thought it was Bill's birthday. It's your birthday, right? >> Yes, it is my birthday. >> Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Can't believe you're doing all these night calls on your birthday. But >> that's right. That was actually a birthday call coming in. So, not to answer it because it's 1:30 in the
morning and they were reaching out. So, I'm like, "Okay, I got to answer this." >> Oh jeez. Yeah. >> Sorry. Before you go, I I'm not 100% sure I will be around on the third Tuesday of March.
So, I want to ask uh what other days people are around just you guys who are here. I I don't think we can I think I might email send an email out to you all to decide a date just because we're missing
a couple others. But um I wanted to just see what would work for you all >> maybe the the next week. I know that's like messing up our schedule, so I apologize. But there are five Tuesdays
in March, so I figure we can use another one. >> I'm I'm fine with the 24th. I can make that work. Um seems like there is actually we're going to be waiting on Marramac Valley probably. So they'll maybe need that time and then
>> there are there you know this action needs list stuff um they'll buy people some time to work on it if you need our help and if you guys are going to work on it. So I think 24th >> okay >> work >> everyone else can do that I'm not not
for certain yet just um just want to see what all of your availability is. >> Yeah 24th works for me. >> Okay awesome. Y slight chance that I will be on the road, but don't don't coordinate it around me. I have something tentative in Texas, but it's
fine. >> Okay, >> Sean, are you around then? >> I'm okay with it. Yep. >> Okay, I will >> There's There's scheduled to be a select board meeting, so we won't be able to use the
the uh if we have it in person, we'd have to do it >> somewhere else. >> Oh, that's true. You're right. Okay, good. >> I mean, these zooms work good for me, too. So, if you want to do another zoom, I'm fine with that. >> Yeah, that's always an option, too. >> Yep. Okay,
>> I'm going to hop off. You guys got planning board tomorrow night, so I'm gonna go someday. >> I think we've reached the end of our Yeah. >> agenda, right? >> Yep. I just had one community committee member update, but Kristen, you don't have to stay for that. Thank you for
participating tonight. This was great. >> Yeah, we'll see you soon. Thanks for everything, Kristen. >> Hey, see you later. >> Yeah, so um community uh committee member updates. So, I got something. Where did I pull it up? Yeah. So,
Christine and I got invited to um do some restoration work at Larkin Dam site. It's called Riverbank Revival. Um it's being done by Riverways. Um there's also it's actually a big group involved
um town of Newberry Massachusetts Division Ecological Restoration Division Marine Fisheries um in Noah US Fish and Wild. So it's a it's a big kind of get together thing celebrating the dam removal. They're looking for people to
just show up, donate some time. Um, if you're interested, Christine and I are probably going to go in the morning. It's um, St. Patrick's Day. It's the 17th of March. So, I think after that we get to go drink green beer or something. I don't know. Yeah. So, anyways, just put it on your radar. Go check it out.
There is a sign up list. You have to a website you can click on to sign up. And, um, I think it starts at 10:00 a.m. And, uh, you meet at the town offices right there in that parking lot and then drive over. So if you want to join us, we'll be there.
>> What uh what's the sign up through? Which organization? >> Um it's it is uh Ipsswitch River Wershed Association. >> Yeah. And it's called Google. It's called um Riverbank Revival.
>> Um Bill, you sent Did you send that email out to the whole committee that >> I think I sent it to you? >> Okay. If if you want to forward it forward it to the committee that >> Yeah, I'd be happy. I'll do that to the whole thing. Whole committee. That'd be
great. >> Yeah. Great. And we got the next meeting date. So, anything else? No. All right. Well, say you said it was gonna be a quick one tonight, but yet
again defy all odds. >> All right. All right. Well, thanks everyone. Uh, someone or I'll move to adjourn. >> Second. >> Excellent. You adjourn. >> All in favor? I
>> I >> There we go. >> Okay. >> Good night. >> Thanks all. >> Thank you all so much for everything. I'll see you next time. >> Sounds great. Thank you. >> Thanks. Kill the guy.