So this is the open space committee and it is December the 17th. Um, and uh like to call the meeting to order, which would mean please for people to
say whether they're present or not since we're doing this on Zoom. So, let me uh call the list doing it this way. Mike >> present
>> and T uh Christine is there as a phone number. Yes, Christina. >> Yes, I'm here. >> Okay, thank you. And Jim, Jim, can you hear me? No. Okay, let's come back to Jim in a
minute. Uh, Bill present. >> And Sean, we lost Sean again. No, Sean. >> [laughter] >> Tap to unmute. >> There we go. Can you hear me? >> Yes, we can. All right. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> So, let's come back to Jim. Is Jim I think we've lost Jim for a minute here? >> I I'm trying to find a chat function on here, but I don't know why I can't find it. >> Oh.
Um well, okay. Um well, I think we'll just have to wait for Jim to catch up here. Um hopefully he can hear us. Um, so, uh,
what I'd like to do is to welcome Eva Jackson, who is there, Jackman. Oh, how did I do that? Can you hear me, Eva? >> I can hear you. Can you hear me? >> Yes, we can. Yes, I think so.
>> Great. Yeah. Um, and thank you for getting in touch and responding to our outreach. Um, I uh it's one of the things we're trying to do to involve people and I know that we valued your
contributions at the public meeting we had back in May. Um, I'm just wondering whether you was anything particular or, you know, anything on your mind that you wanted to share with us at this point.
>> Uh, well, at this point, I'd like to speak to the rest of the commission to really, you know, discuss it with them. But, um, I think the most important thing I can think of is having a good inventory of resources.
what open space we do have and I would love to help um put historical markers to the trail system or looking towards uh the 400th actually.
>> Uhhuh. So, I'm hoping to be able to add to the present system of getting uh the new history out there and uh hopefully having a uh something for the 400th in the end.
>> Uhhuh. >> that visitors can enjoy. But I really need to speak to the rest of the commission. Uh uh our last meeting was cancelled and we're scheduled for January 8th. So, I do have the list of resources that
you're looking at and um I want to see what everybody's thinking and I want I need to know really what you're thinking, you know, what you need from me or us, >> right? Yeah. Um, so when you meet in
January, um, well, all of the other members, I think, of your committee should have gotten the email that you got. Um, but I'm not sure that that happened because
um, the only email I could trace was one that went to your um, to the staff person who comes. I can't think of a name now. Forest, I think, is the one I sent it to. And then I assumed that she sent it out to the rest of your commission. Is that true or
just to you? >> To everybody. >> I I believe it was the rest of the commission. I'd have to look, but I believe she usually sends it to everyone. >> Okay. Well, all right. >> I Yeah. And we And we haven't we we haven't met in two months now, so we haven't I don't we don't discuss a lot
over the phone. >> Right. Right. But it was through Jan and I and it was decided because I had already attended uh the meeting earlier in the in the summer with you that I would be a good candidate to to step in.
>> Right. Well, okay. So, let's let's do it this way to to make it um uh sort of uh easier for everybody. And that is if you wanted to since um you've raised your
hand as it were. If you wanted at the meeting to sort of corral not only what the group as a whole might want to you know sort of um relay to the open space
committee but also if there are individuals who have p you know specific things that they feel um we need to pay attention to um and to understand. Um, if you could pull that together,
be responsible for that and get that to Sadi, I think we would, in fact, I know we'd be really very grateful. >> Okay. >> Okay. because uh and if if you're meeting
in that first week or so in January, we our meeting usually isn't until the third week. And so that would be the timing would be really good there. Yeah. Yeah, >> it would be. It would be good. >> Yeah. And if you think of anything else,
you can always, you know, just email me before then there's anything specific you want to um really focus on. But yeah, we'll get a good rounded uh we'll we'll we'll see. We just have to see, I
guess. I'll have to wait till the meeting to let you know. >> Okay. Okay. All right. and we'll keep you um in touch by I I think what would be nice Sadi would be to add
um Eva to the list of people to whom the minutes go out. Okay. so that she gets a copy of the minutes whenever we have minutes so that you know she knows sort of at what stage we are um and and if
you know there are comments that they have or questions they can get in touch that way. >> Yeah, that sounds good. I'll do that. >> Okay, great. >> Very good. So, uh I hope that um
uh sort of I don't say takes care of but is is the kind of response you were hoping for uh Ava from us that >> Oh, oh, definitely. I just I just, you know, wanted to get your okay and I'll
address it at the next meeting >> and we'll go over this list that that comes from, you know, what you're proposing or we'd like to see. And um yeah, I'll try to get input from everybody and get back to you at your next meeting. >> Great. Great. Excellent.
>> And I hope you So, I'm going to sign out if I'm good. >> Okay. >> And um I hope you have a wonderful holiday, all of you. >> Okay. >> Thank you. You as well. >> Yeah. Thanks a lot for coming. >> Right. >> Okay. I'll uh I'll talk soon next month.
>> Yeah. Thank you, Ava. >> Good night now. >> Yeah. Great to see you again. Yeah. Okay. So, so the meeting minutes from our last meeting, does anybody have any questions
or comments on those before we approve them? Nobody does at this point, I don't think. Um, okay. Uh,
right. Okay. So, um can I have um a motion to accept the minutes of the meeting of November the 18th, please from someone? >> I'll make the motion to approve.
>> Okay. In a second. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. Thank you, Sean. So, all those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Right. Okay. So that is the minutes force the 18th accepted.
Okay. Um yes section comments and discussion of reviews. Um now one of the things that happened today is and I'm looking for this. Okay. Um,
Sadi said she'd updated some things and one of the things you said on there, Sadi, was that you had I thought from what I read in the email added some
list that Christina has sent to you. >> Yeah. So, I hope that the email wasn't too confusing. I was trying to be as clear as possible, but um so Christina sent me a great list uh that I thought we should all have um for kind of the
next steps once we're done drafting our sections. Um and they'll kind of it'll kind of serve as like a >> sort of rough um like list of steps for appro the the approval process. So like
submitting to DCR and um and the different you know town commissions and and boards that we need approval from and like when we're doing the final and just the preliminary review for each thing for each group. Um
>> so that is in the main folder and then there was some confusion on my end. Um I was confused about um >> there was a missing document from
section 4 and there was a mislabeled one. So right now everything should be uploaded labeled correctly. Um but there was I think it was >> section 4 C that had been missing. Um so
it's that's my fault. I apologize. >> It's it's up there now. Yes. So, yeah. Now, my question is, you said you added Christina's list to to what? >> Uh, so, well, there's the major folder,
the Newberry OSRP 2025 folder, and then, um, >> oh, >> there's a couple there's a couple documents just loose in there, and then there's the, you know, committee section draft subfolder. >> I Oh, okay. So, I was all right. So I I
was in the committee section. So uh >> So it's just in the main it's it's titled OSRP approval process timeline. >> Oh, okay. I see it. I see. It's next to
OSP draft status, right? Yeah. All right. I That's what had me confused. I thought it was in with the sections. Uh but it it doesn't You're right. Doesn't belong there, does it? Um okay.
>> Do we want to just share that real quick on the screen so we can all read it together real quick? It's kind >> Yeah, I was thinking I could um facilitate that. Um and uh Jim, are you able to hear us at the
moment? I know you've been having some technical difficulties. I don't know if he can hear us. [sighs] >> Uh, his microphone is >> He's muted. Yeah. I don't know. >> Yeah. >> Um, I'm going to send him a quick email
before we start. Okay. Um, >> sorry. I'm just sending him a quick note. >> All right. >> You want me to share that the >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Sure. Go ahead. If you have it up.
>> Oh, it's host disabled participant screen. >> Oh, geez. >> Sorry. No, not your fault at all. Uh, okay. Um,
Ben. Okay. Sharing [sighs and gasps] this. >> Okay. Can everybody see the doc? >> Right. Is it coming through? >> Yep. Looks good.
>> Awesome. Okay. So, yeah. Um Christina, I imagine that you can't look at your screen if you're actively driving, but feel free to pipe up at any point. Um if you want cuz this is your creation. Um but
yes, so as Gerard generously offered uh last meeting, he was saying um that we could submit a draft to MVPC for review. But I think first we have some little,
you know, um any last map updates, uh some some data that we still need from them. Um and then we can incorporate their comments. Um and then um I guess the next step would be to do
a preliminary um submission to planning concommittee select board of health. Um, and just like as they've been saying,
like with my outreach that I've been doing to all these groups, they've been like, "We just want to see the final version. Just give us the final version." We're like, "Okay." So, this is like a preliminary where they can still offer comments and then um we can incorporate those comments um and then
we can submit to MVPC for a final review. Um, and then Christina had suggested posting the draft to Newbury's website, um, and offering the public to review. I think
this is a good idea. It could, you know, leaving it up for a period of time could, you know, offer more flexibility for people. But I also think we should, as we've discussed, we should have another public meeting that we advertise for, you know, period of time and try to
get people in a room together. Um, so I think that would be a good part of a like step in the process at this at this point to do that. Um and then we incorporate public comments. Um
and then we would um send the like final draft to DCR for you know inviting comments and things like that and then incorporating those comments.
um and then submitting again to the town departments for their final approval and then they would submit letters um that we could send to DCR along with the plan and then send it off to DCR for final approval.
Um so I think this is a good thorough you know progression. What what does everyone think? And >> well, I think there's one problem with it and that is that the public
reaction should be sooner >> sooner in the process. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> It it should be um at the same time I Okay. Um the same time is we're sending it out.
See? Well, okay. Um I think what's um what's happening here is we need to distinguish between the reviewing process which is one thing um and the process of
actually providing as the three town groups have to planning board conservation commission and the select board they have to provide letters of support. Okay. Now they can technically as as we
found out last time actually opt not to but they are actually you know required to to at least do so. Um and I I think that um that comes after we have a final
version and after we've gone through the draft to DCR. So is everybody following me on this? All right. So um the the review process
I think has in terms of the public um has has to happen like after two um right yeah it has to happen
>> before it goes to review for MVPC >> okay I think well I think I think It wouldn't hurt to have MVPC look at it before we Well, I guess that could be that
first step there. I think that it would be helpful to have them look at it before we show it to the public. >> Okay. Okay. >> Just so it's like a nicely formatted, all the data is correct, like >> no glaring holes,
>> right? >> I think they should proof our draft before we send it out, even to the committees. Um yeah, select board and all those people just because there could be some chunks that we're they're like no you got to really expand on this or it could change
quite a bit when it comes back from them. So let them kind of look at our rough draft. We'll do our best obviously as best we can. let them give us their feedback and then we can incorporate the committees and and the public's
>> where where do you get the idea, Bill, that it's going to change quite a bit. >> Well, I mean, they know what they're what what's going to what is required. I mean, I feel like we handbook, but they might come in and be like, well, you need to this would it this is what the
plan requires. I'm just saying I'm expecting them to have some productive feedback and so I don't think they're going to shoot us down, but I think they're going to be very instrumental in making it better. >> Right. Right. Okay. No, I well I was
thought I was hearing you know that that sort of they would be I think their their role in this is to guide us and to frankly help us submit a
plan to DCR that they and we are comfortable with. That's that's I I think technically what their role is here having been through this process with a number of other towns over time.
Okay. Um but yeah. Okay. So um let's let's suggest that it should be after number four then which okay. Okay.
So we're at All right. Okay. So, where it is, I guess is all right. Except what is this town segments? What's that? >> I think she means like concom planning,
recreation committee, select board. >> Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Yeah. So in other words, any any any comments that come from
the activity in two. Yes. Yes. >> Yes. I believe that's what it >> Yeah. Okay. All right. So, uh All right. Um any other comments on from anybody else
on the the list and the sequence here? question. >> Oh, go ahead, Sean. >> Uh, quick question. Hopefully, uh, I assume we're at number one on this timeline. >> Yeah, I would say, yeah, we're still
drafting, so we haven't submitted to anybody outside of the committee yet. >> And I guess the question is, are we waiting for anything from MVPC at this point? Um, I don't believe so because
I think we we've spent a good amount of time on maps. I think what we have is going to work. Um, I do think there I've noticed in some people's sections they have made a note like MVPC to confirm this data. Um, so I was thinking one of
my next steps would be to or if people want to send me questions they still have that they want to ask MVPC about, I can facilitate the um the conversation there. Um, >> okay. All right. That answers the
question. Okay. >> Okay. Awesome. Yeah. [snorts] Um I after thinking about it a little bit, I think that um MVPC first
in this I think MVPC should be first in this process. Um and then I feel like the public outreach should be after that. Um because I feel like a lot of thing they will have a lot to say and
we'll have a lot of work you know some revising to do after we hear from them. >> Um and then we'll also have to write about that public outreach in the plan. Um >> right. So I think that might be [clears throat] that might be sort of
the next step that makes sense after showing MVPC and then maybe town town segments as Christina put it. Um what how do people feel there? That just
makes the most sense to my brain. >> Yeah, I think that makes sense. Okay. >> And BPC just help us tighten it all up first, you know. >> Yeah, definitely. >> And we can always add all the other additions in, but at least we know our base will be solid.
>> Yeah, I agree. >> Yeah, I agree with that, too. It sounds good. >> Awesome. >> I mean, it does sound like we're going to need the input from the various town segments before we go to the public, though. Uh,
>> okay. like just a rough sort of like what do you think of the plan before we do the public meeting might be good to make them aware of the public meeting as well. >> Okay. Uh well, I'm thinking more in terms of uh
when we're when we put together the section on the plan, it should incorporate the input from the various town segments like the rec committee and what have you, right? I mean >> to to present to the public, it should >> Right. Of course. Yeah.
>> Okay. >> So, it's better to sort of precede that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Guess that's what I'm I'm So what I'm thinking is I see it listed here as three. So that
seems reasonable and I'm also thinking that uh when we get that feedback back from the town uh MVPC will have a picture or could compare that in their own minds to what other area towns municipalities have
done also and maybe they could point out for example uh where we could embellish portions of it or leave sections or whatever. I mean, so that would be important to have
that I guess that overall feedback from MVPC. So kind of after, you know, in other words, if they don't have our goals, then they can't very well review them. I guess that's the point.
>> That's fair. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh I'm sorry. So I'm looking at it's actually looking pretty good. I mean, um, it's there's a lot here. So, and we're
at one. So, I'm kind of hoping that we can, but we got to do what we got to do. So, >> yeah. >> Okay. Anybody got any other comments on this sequence?
Okay. So let's just review this because we have a tendency to have a discussion and then not to review what we've decided or not as the case may be. So what I think I'm hearing now is that in
terms of what is in the original list there that um Christina put together, we now put in a public meeting as a second item,
right? >> Um I think Sean was saying that we want we want to show the public that we have um solicited feedback from all of the
various town groups first. So, I think we'll do I think what he was suggesting, correct me if I'm wrong, Sean, but I think he was suggesting MVPC for a rough review and then town groups for a rough
review, not final approval. Um, and then we can write about it in the plan and then we do the public um public review and meeting. >> Yeah. I don't think we're going to get the public to meet with us more than like
once. So, we really together. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> That's true. >> So, I mean, get get as many of our ducks in a row as we can before we meet with them. And then, of course, whatever they say, we, you know, we'll we'll change
what happens after. But but let but let's give let's give them something to look at, you know, that's somewhat >> Yeah. do a little bit more review before we present it to the public basically. >> Yeah. I would almost I mean we almost
want it to the point where when they look at this and they give us the feedback they don't expect to have this come back you know oh we forgot that or oh we forgot this or oh it was a good point you brought up at the meeting we didn't even include that in our you know
what I'm saying so it's like >> well wait a minute wait a minute the the second public meeting has to be part of the plan submittal.
>> Yeah, it will be >> well. Yeah, but but okay, we need to have it seems to me we need to have the second public meeting before we're asking for
essentially review comments from the the main actors in the town. And certainly before it goes to MVPC for the initial review >> they will be looking for
the second public meeting. >> I feel like I feel like this these are all good points and I'm not quite sure which way which route is the best route. I think I could ask MB someone at MVPC
about it and ask them how towns typically go about this process and see if they have any >> any wise words. >> Uhhuh. That would make a lot of sense. In other words, >> what what would be most helpful to them
and ultimately to us to get from us the first time out, right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. Okay. Well, but so we could do that now, which would mean that we can then determine when the public meeting
gets to happen. It's >> that my thought is that the public outreach and whether one has taken the two steps required by the work the handbook the
workbook whatever you want to call it um needs to be in what gets reviewed by the reviewers if you if you're following me um in other But the public doesn't
they can obviously if we post it as we will but the public doesn't wait until they get the final thing because that that doesn't work. >> Mhm. Okay. Well >> okay I'm not suggesting
>> go ahead. >> Yes we can. >> All right. Good. Um, so yeah, I think that the I am I would give a little bit more deference to the town departments to
really be able to put their pieces on the version before it goes out to the public. So, I agree with Sean that we just we only have one shot with the public and so I think that we should and the town departments have said like send us the draft and so let's send them the
draft. MVPC needs to like put a lot of cleanup on this document and then we'll send it to the town department. They will also give us their input and then we'll we can have the draft version that goes out to the public and then we'll incorporate the public's comments and
that's what the town departments will actually send their letter on because that's what they need to review is you know they need to send a letter with the final version that goes to DCR. So yeah, I just I would give deference and priority to the town department to put
their ink on this draft before we send it out to the public that they represent. >> And I think yeah, I agree. It might it might give the public a little bit more confidence in the plan that they're
reviewing if they see that, oh, you know, it's already been through a bunch of other groups and they've all given their feedback and their approval or whatever. Um, >> yeah, but that equally works the other way round. >> That's true.
>> All right. I guess I guess we're we're we're debating on who's going to be harder to impress. >> Yeah. Well, okay. This may have to do with with what we're going to talk about in a little bit here, and that is uh
what if anything uh uh success of any sort of outreach is going to be um that we've tried to make um because right now it's pretty grim. Um okay. So I I think we we've got a
couple of suggestions here and I think Sades one is just canvas MVPC people and see whether they have any experience which would say do you do you basically go to all of
your town groups that need to be involved um first and then go to the public for a second meeting or do you do it the other way around? >> Yes, I think I can pretty easily find
their advice on that. >> Fine. Okay. Um All right. So, do we we all comfortable with the review of her of Christina's list there?
Right. Okay. Just making a note here. Yeah. Um, okay. Parcel prioritize mapping resources from
green belt. >> Yes. So, that is something I kind of just wanted to draw people's attention to. Um, because I think they'll be a great
resource. Um, everyone they've everyone should [snorts] have access to them. They're on the in the Google folder in a folder titled Green Belt Prioritization Maps.
So, uh I don't know how much detail we want to get into, but um they basically I think it's great because it can really help us get really into the nitty-gritty specific like parcel level what we want to do with specific parcels in Newbury.
Um, and they have different categories of, you know, prioritization. And, um, I think that once we start to really dive into the action plan, it could be really good to just kind of, you know,
pick some specific parcels we want to focus on, um, and design some specific action plan items towards. So, that's kind of all I wanted to say about that. I think that um the ones in
there right now are from 2021, but I've been in communication with um Abby at Greenbuilt and she is going to send us some updated ones um which I think would
help a lot. So yeah, and Mike, if you have anything you want to say about it as well, feel free. Yeah, I'll just say that Abby and her GIS team have done this mapping for a few other towns in the county. So, uh
they're happy to update this should the committee want these maps as part of their plan and that that kind of data and information. So, uh we just have to let them know and they'll they'll update it to a more current uh data set there.
So they've done it by by uh community. >> Yeah. You know, other open space committees for different towns have uh have reached out >> this kind of stuff. I I couldn't tell you specifically which towns uh they've done them for, but I I know they've
worked with other towns on this. >> Okay. No, I was just uh in other words, what we would get would be specific to Newbury, >> correct? Yeah. >> Okay. All right. >> Yeah. I'm I'm looking at the maps right
now and actually this first chance I've I because Sadi told us about them coming. It's my first chance to look at them and they're really useful. I think these are going to be excellent and as a group I think we'll be able to key in on a couple of those and include these in
the plan. They're exactly kind of what I think we're looking for. >> Definitely. >> I I looked at them earlier today and um I guess I I wasn't quite sure what I was looking at. Anyways, uh part of it I
know has probably to do with the fact that they're a little old, but uh and I'm just Well, the big problem I had was what was the context around them? I mean, what I I guess I was having difficulty
understanding what problem they were trying to solve by looking at the maps. That didn't that didn't jump right out at me. Um, and also the other thing is um
if I like the I like the idea of the maps. Um I think uh maybe as a something that can guide uh goals. I mean if we're think of incorporating goals into the
into the plan, they might be useful to as supporting material for that. Uh but I'm just wondering if we really need more maps. I mean I in the plan itself I
think seems like we have a bunch already and uh I'm just wondering how how people you know the if I was a resident I guess I wouldn't know quite what those maps were all about. They need just they need a
lot more explanation I guess is the point. Um >> I think we're not planning on putting these as part of the document. I think these are just for us to review to help us come up with actions and goals. I don't think the expectation is that they would be part of the open space plan.
>> Okay. Okay. That's that helps. Um well, okay. And then that just leaves the question um what exactly are we looking at here? Are they are these uh portions of Newbury that
you know are we talking about I don't know what exactly we are we are we doing with these things uh what is Sean what what things are you talking about because I'm getting a bit lost here
>> so well I don't okay so uh well I I don't it's going to be difficult to explain the maps themselves But uh >> I mean >> I could jump in for a sec. >> Go ahead. >> Sorry Sean. I know I'm jump but I mean I look at the maps. I think they're great
like informative and I see um if we have like an updated version that's be you know not 2021 and closer to now. I see the critical priorities or you know and they're very obvious where they are and I can kind of in my mind connect those to oh yeah I'm driving and that area gets flooded if I'm looking at a
flooding one or something. if we're going to use those in an action plan. Um I guess you know like what criteria are we using from these maps and how are you know what I would I would want to think about what are some actual actions we
are going to take if we are sort of mapping to some of these critical priorities that are here does that make sense or not maybe not >> that no that was helpful I think uh because that I mean so
>> well no wait a minute wait a I let's not dig a hole here, guys, about this. Um I I think what we have here is a battery of maps from them. I'm looking at them. Um and
there are what, eight all together? You looking at the same thing, Jim? >> Yeah, there's eight or nine. Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. Well, okay. So um basically what u green belt is doing is a very thorough job of all the issues
which have to do with uh evaluating um I think essentially uh potential lands for uh conservation right um and so I think at this point we need one if
there is a significant update of those maps, then it would be great to have them. And then I think we simply look at them. And my guess is that off the top of my head here is we're looking primarily at agriculture
and the one I can't see, uh, prioritization of habitat and natural whatever that is, natural resources, I don't know. Um there are about three and yeah and and I
think they're pretty self-explanatory and when we get a chance to look at them in some detail we can decide how they get um actually incorporated if if if in fact they do. Um so I I think we're
jumping the gun until we get them right. >> There should be updated ones. Um, but even even if for some reason we don't get updated ones, I think these are still pretty helpful. I think yeah it's just like
>> depending on the thing that the map is showing like if we are talking about conservation in our if we're talking about flood mitigation in our action plan we can say like oh like according to this 2021 resource
from green belt these are the like these are the three highest priority parcels in Newbury our goal as a committee is to um implement flood mitigation strategies on these three parcels and that'll be like a really good clear action item for
the committee to have. >> Yeah. But that wait that's not part of our responsibility uh specifically as I would see it. You're now we're now talking about oh conservation commission type things.
Okay. to identify them as perhaps needs, but you know, um I don't know. Uh I I I think we're trying to incorporate too much into this. Um and and I think we we
just need to slow down a bit. um because otherwise I think we're going to have the kind of plan that's come out from so many communities which essentially is is a is a vast overreach and just doesn't
get done and and I for one would not support you know incorporating um lots more stuff and I'm not saying not these plans I I need to look at them in in more detail Um but uh this is I
think part of the whole idea that we need to emphasize and that is that we would be working with the major players in conservation in the in the town who are three after
all the trustees well four the state the federal government the trustees and green belt and I don't think we can cover all of the stuff that they will or could too. >> Yeah. I'm not saying that. I'm saying like, you know, if we have if we see
some of these maps like and we and whatever their focus is is kind of aligned with what the public wants from our committee, then we can say, "Oh, you know, here's here's an open space parcel that has this problem that, you know, this map shows is a
problem." We can, you know, really single out that parcel. >> Okay. Okay. just to supplement, you know, what what our action items kind of already are and what the public is pointing out. But >> that's true. It'll be good to partner with other groups, not just have it all
fall on us. >> So, if we look at them as a resource that we may well use and need as opposed to something that we're going to commit to. >> Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. >> Yes. >> Yeah, that sounds good,
>> right? >> Yeah. I guess the one other thing is I just want to so we talk about these other agencies or organizations in the town and stuff that can conserve some of these most critical habitats or whatever but the purpose of
this is to allow us to also to be more active in ourselves the municipality the town taking a more active role hopefully in conserving some of these places as evidenced by towns to the south of us like Ipsswitch and these some of these other towns. So, I'm I'm not trying to
say like I don't want to reach too high, but I definitely want to like try to move the needle a little bit by doing this. I think that's kind of why I'm here. This is like I want to see that we can make some change. >> That's a good point, too.
>> Yep. Yep. I would I would agree. Um and and so the more help we can get, the better. Right. >> Right. It's going to be a organized effort for sure. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, uh the next item on our agenda
um is to talk about next steps in edifying and solidifying a timeline. I think that was kind of I had intended to bring up Christina's um
approval process list at this point in the agenda. So um I think if anyone has other stuff they want to talk about about timeline and you know due dates, goal setting, things
like that, feel free. Um, >> the only thing I can think of is if we just wanted to update the draft status spreadsheet that we started um maybe after the meeting. Um, Satie, you can justate that.
>> Yes, I um I did update it today. Um, but I wanted to see I wanted to talk with you all about, you know, where people think we are in in different areas. Um, I think I I have,
you know, I have up to edits checked off for everything except for that subsection of section 4 that I just uploaded today cuz it was only uploaded today. Um,
so I think and a couple of you have given me second rounds of your drafts, which is awesome. I think Bill, your section D, and Jim, your section, and Mike, I think you also
did a while ago. Um, so that's great. Um, so I think the next >> Yeah, go ahead, Jim. >> No, no, I mean, so if I, you know, I pointed out in mine I still have a little more to do, few little things at
the tail end of my section >> that I feel like will make it put it in better shape. So >> yeah, >> that are we gonna have another comment period before I say I'm gonna go for my final
draft and there I move to the next you know the next column over on >> Yeah. Yeah. I think you know um if people want to take I think people can continue to comment
as as long as they want. um we can maybe set a date to end commenting so that it's not just endless. Um but um >> so between if if commenting happens now and we are aiming to get final draft
complete as the next one, right? >> Yeah. >> So what we're are we going to try to throw a date out now as to when that final draft complete? >> Sure. I just know I just know that there are >> documents in very different stages. So
I'm like I don't want to >> I don't want to not give enough time to those either. But um so I guess >> and I'm talking about not section six onward, you know,
>> right? Yeah. >> Yeah. Just the our individual sections one uh three [clears throat] through five. Would it be helpful there if there was some way of identifying the last time
the author updated it? Cuz I don't >> I I put the date in I put the dates they were uploaded into the section into the document titles. It's kind of hard to
see. I don't know if people have had that issue, but each document is labeled with the date that it was uploaded. >> Uh where you can't >> Yeah, like I said, it's kind of hard to
see if unless you open the document all the way. Um >> Well, in this in the section title, it's >> the file Yeah, like the f Yeah. >> Yeah. Maybe I picked the wrong section,
but I opened vegetation section C and there's no date that I can find. >> It's in the document title. It's not in the text. I can put it in the text if that helps.
>> Oh, and the document title is >> the actual file name. >> Oh, I see. at the end of the file name is 12825. >> Yeah. Right. Okay. All right. Yes, I am with you. Um I I really think it would
be help largely because you know we we're dealing with a a large moving object here. There are lots of parts and pieces and I think it would be helpful if if it was in the text because it's easy to take
out. But you see, if I look at this with my cursor on the document, it isn't until I raise the cursor up that you get the information on the title. So I'll I'll find a way to make it clear what
dates >> it would it [clears throat] would be useful or or you know I mean even just the people who do it >> well that too. Um I also put I made a a folder that says old versions because if
I if I take a document out of the folder it gets rid of all the comments I'm pretty sure. So, I wanted to leave >> yeah, >> the old versions up there, but everything in here is the latest version, if that makes sense. >> Right. >> So,
um >> that's good. >> Um I'm kind of stumped for how to continue, but um >> Well, no, I think I think that's fine. I mean, I think you're doing everything you can to make sure we don't lose
stuff, right? Which is important. >> Um, the only thing I would think is that, okay, um, now we know that you've put the date because what I'm getting is I'm getting, you know, part of it's a
long title here. It's a bill and and on my screen it goes dot dot dot then draft and then the date and the PDF. So at least now I know what to look for and
okay does that come up um reliably on other things. Um >> maybe do we want to give like another week for putting comments in to all the documents, especially the one that I
just uploaded today? And then um we can set a date for when comments are done. And then everyone will take maybe two weeks to incorporate those comments into their sections. And then we and then everyone sends me after
that two weeks, everyone sends me their drafts with the comments incorporated and I can upload them maybe. Does that seem like it would make sense? >> I think the steps make sense. I don't know realistically with the holiday
coming up how much >> this is true. >> Yeah. I'm not trying to stall, but >> No. No. Yeah. That that's reasonable. Yeah. >> Um, >> yeah. I mean, this is if we all had had a living document we could just keep
working on, you could see progress. It'd be different. This PDF thing back and forth, it makes it trickier, more and more work for you. My question is, um, so I went and I worked on my document a little bit the other night. I did it in Google Docs because you can open it up
as a Google doc when I worked in that. Then I saw that none of my changes I didn't see my changes. So I have a copy of it saved on my on my drive. So I guess you probably don't see those in Google Docs if I make changes because
it's like are we you know how like you can share a document and people have multiple people the same document. >> Yes. Wait, so you you said you were making the edits in Google and then >> Yeah. >> Did you shared that document with me?
Um, I just saved it because you know how it it just automatically saves when you close. >> Yeah. >> So I was like, well, I got a copy. I made a copy before I closed out just but I was like, well, I'll try this and see if Satie can see it. And um, so that
that's all I can forward you. >> Did you put it in did you like upload it to the folder or like place it in the folder? >> Yeah, >> I don't know. I don't think I have access. >> Okay. So I just went like section 4D open with Google Docs. I did that and
then I worked inside that and then I just exed out but I was like I didn't know. So I made a copy of it. >> Okay. >> So I guess the answer my question is make your edits send you a new copy.
You'll upload it to the folder. Well, yes. What you what did get uploaded, Bill, because I'm looking at it is you've actually rather nicely titled it revised draft and there's a date in the in the um
document name. So, I think that that >> now we know where to look. That works, doesn't it? >> This this isn't your latest draft. This 4D uploaded one. No, I just made some minor edits in that. I was incorporating some people's comments just kind of get
ahead on things. >> Okay. >> So, I'll just send you I have it. No problem. I'll just send >> Okay. Okay. So, section 4 C and 4D will be brand new today for everyone to take a look. First time
ever. >> Oh, okay. >> Well, the 4D is minor. I just changed some wordage and stuff. That's all. >> Gotcha. Okay. >> Yeah. [snorts] Cool. >> So, [clears throat] um, so I heard that, uh, a couple people
have already made revisions to their sections, um, Jim and Mike. And so I'm wondering if like I I don't remember how long ago I commented, but um, do you think that I commented on the old version or the new
version? So I I guess I just don't know. Yeah. How would I know that? >> Um, >> yeah, this system isn't as as smooth as I thought it was going to be. So, I apologize for the the cumbersome nature
of it, but um I so I made a folder called old versions that so every every version that I've ever uploaded will be on here, but I'll put the newest versions in just committee section
drafts and then anything that you know had comments from before but is no longer the most current draft, I'm putting it in the old versions folder. within the committee section drafts folder. Does that make sense? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I commented on
whatever was in the folder. So, I guess you know, well, really where I was >> where I was headed is there might be some sections that everybody has already commented on. And so, is there anybody who hasn't commented on everything else except for
B and D, which sounds like they are just getting uploaded today. One got uploaded today and one is coming tonight. >> Yes, that's correct. Um, >> I Yeah. So, is there anything
you're asking if there are any other sections that don't have comments yet? Well, I'm wondering actually the reverse does that mean all the other everybody has had a chance to review all of the other sections so the authors know that they can like take those comments now
and run with them >> and provide updated versions. That's where I was going instead of waiting. You were like let's give another week and I just wasn't sure if anybody needed a week except 4 C. So I didn't want to hold up everything else indeed >> need comments but I don't know what
everybody else's status is in terms of they if they have reviewed everyone else's section. >> I mean I can say that I Christina you're like the ones you and Bill more recently updated. I haven't reviewed those. So
you know 4 C 4E right which have 128 129 on them. >> Yes. And um yes. So I think Christina the answer to your question is
um yes everything else everyone has had plenty of time to comment on everything else that's been up there for a couple weeks now. So I think the authors of all the sections except for
um 4 D which I will upload um and 4C which is brand new today. Um I think all those sections can be revised with the comments that exist now on the documents. Does that make sense?
Yeah, that's kind of what I was driving toward and it so it sounds like that's true. So there's really only two sections that everybody needs to review. It's the scenic resources and the fisheries and wildlife. Every everybody else can take their sections and incorporate comments and send in the new
version. I also wonder if we're to the point now that we want to put it in a word version so that the next set of comments can just be track changes in a word version. I >> maybe do that offline. Maybe we talk about that offline.
>> Okay. >> And for D >> just >> Okay. So, >> yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. >> I was say just confirming we just said scenic resources and fisheries and wildlife were the two remaining. >> Let me just confirm that section 4D
which I will upload is fisheries and wildlife. That's one. And then actually actually it's 4C which is titled vegetation is the other one that was not uploaded I believe. 4E
had just been mislabeled unfortunately. So 4E has been up there. There are plenty of comments. Um but it's 4C vegetation is brand new >> that I in other words >> you just put it up there this morning
>> correct? Yes that was my mistake. Um so that is >> okay >> needs comments and then 4D which I will upload. >> Okay. Uh okay I I mean I have a couple of comments. >> Oops. Sorry. Yeah,
>> I I have a couple of comments. I I just haven't put them in here because for some reason I thought we were we're we were past that, but uh I I guess since we're opening up the window again, I'll I'll put a couple more in. Nothing big,
just and I did read 4C actually. Um okay. Uh >> okay. So I guess the next step in the process is for people to incorporate comments
that are on their sections now >> and submit it directly to make so if I understand uh take the comments that as they appear in there make changes and then submit copies directly to you don't update the
changes don't update the copy that are currently being reviewed. Is that >> correct? >> Yes. Submit everything to me and then I can upload them. >> Okay. Okay. Got it. >> I just had one question on section 4F.
There's one from Ella and there's one from Sean. Which one is the final? >> Well, I don't think either of them are at this point. >> Okay. Um I I need to sit down with Sean
and go through what he wrote and um Ellis is there uh to factor in too. But um there are some real issues there as far as I'm concerned and I've looked what happened was that in terms of our
what we're being asked to respond to is that the state made a major change in that section uh in terms of what they're requiring. they originally required
something which essentially um has to do with all kinds of environmental challenges. And so they they were very broad ranging and then they switched away from that entirely to
a climate change section. And um as I've said before, and I won't go into it again, but I have some real problems with what they've done. Um I know we, you know, we have to be good guys and and at least honor what they think they
want. Um but what's it's a mess. It's a mess in in in in a whole number of ways. Um, and we need to get it sort of sorted out and I will try and do it. Sean, I need to sit down with you sometime
and and figure this out. Okay. >> I wouldn't go that far. I think it's I think Sean, you did a great job. I don't want to discount anything that you any work you've done. I think it looks great. Um >> Oh, yeah. I'm not saying it was there was anything bad about it, but I'm
saying that simply um we we've got to come up with something in that section and it's got to hold water as as a response to um what the conditions that
the the town faces and the requests that the workbook is making. That's all. Okay. Um, this is an area where clearly I depart from the great majority of you and I'm sorry, but that's just the way
it is. Okay. So, um, are we do we think we've got nailed some of the steps for the timeline at this point that everybody's happy enough to know what's Do you want
to send out some dates, Sadi, in terms of you're saying in the next week, the next couple of weeks? Um, do you want to put dates on it or what do you feel? >> Dates for next meeting or dates for
>> No, no. Date dates for final responses from people. >> Um, so it is the 17th. >> Mhm. Um, so
do we think it would be reasonable to maybe if we want to have our meeting on the third week of January, on the 20th, maybe, do we want to have [snorts] comments incorporated into the new
drafts by the week of the 12th of January, like sometime during that week, like later that week, like the that Thursday the 15th could be a deadline. >> Yeah, I'm comfortable with that. Anybody
not comfortable with making the 12th the deadline? >> Sounds good to me. >> Okay. >> I think that I think the 12th to incorporate comments is good, but that means that we need the comments on the two sections, the vegetation and
wildlife sections. we would just need to get those comments, you know, maybe like a week or two in advance of that, you know, more like January 2nd to get comments on those two sections and then they'll be incorporated by that week of the 12th,
>> right? Yeah. Well, [laughter] yeah. Yes. Um, >> do we think January 5th as a deadline for comments on those two sections? >> Right. Does that work?
>> Yeah, that's actually what I meant to say. Whatever that Monday is [laughter] was the date I was actually suggesting. So >> So that gives >> that gives two weeks earlier >> two weeks to in for the author to then make updates based on the comments,
right? >> I think yeah. >> Yeah, that's that seems reasonable. >> Yeah. or even get comments by the by the middle of that week. Fifth, 6th, 7th, by the seventh or eth. Yeah. So, it allows a week, >> right?
>> Okay. >> Okay. So, uh those are dates which I think we all seem to be able to live with. Anything else in that area before we move on? because uh establishing this kind of stuff I think is pretty
important. Okay. So, >> so, uh, regarding section 4F, >> um, so you're you'll have comments for me before the >> No, Sean, I think, frankly, what I'd
like to do is literally sit down with you one face to face and and and work through uh what we both understand or don't in terms of what's required and how to respond.
Um, >> okay. >> That's what I'd like to do. And I >> Okay, fair enough. Uh, okay. Uh, I guess I'm just concerned that
I don't think it's I don't think we have an option. We have to do something. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. I'm not do nothing. >> Okay. Uh, and I'm I'm perfectly happy to sit down anytime. >> Okay. >> That's fine. All right. Yeah.
>> But I but I I just want to say that we've put a lot into this already and I frankly, you know, as is as as invested as I am in climate effects, I I'm far more invested in getting this report done. And I I just hate to see
this hold up the whole process. That's all. Um you know, we just got to get something done. At this point, I less concerned about this section than really uh for example the goals section. That's really where we got to focus
there. >> Okay. >> I would agree. >> Yeah, I appreciate that. >> Okay. >> But yeah, give, you know, send me an email and we'll get together. In fact, Satie, do do you want to sit in on that
or because >> Yeah. If if that would help process. Yeah. >> Maybe maybe the three of us get sit down. Would that be okay? >> Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Let's see if we can can find a date. Um
uh not tonight from my perspective anyway. Um okay. >> Just just >> Yeah, I can send an email. I can send an email to you both and we can find a good time. >> Yeah, >> I'm I'm fairly available during the day especially. So
>> that's awesome. >> We can make it work. >> Right. Okay. So, um All right. The feedback issue from the boards and committees. Um has anything
changed in that regard? Um, uh, Sadi, since you and I talked, >> um, I have not received any more feedback, if that's what you mean. >> You haven't? Okay. >> No. >> All right. So, um, I I
let me update what I understand and that is that we really have had uh three updates essentially, three reactions. one we know about because um
Eva uh Jackman reached out and you all heard her talk about it tonight. Um we got one from the chair of the conservation commission um which Sadi
shared with everybody and also there was one as I understand it from a member of the planning board who didn't wish to be identified. Is that right Sadi? >> I think he said he was a little bit
unclear about whether he wanted to be anonymous. So I think he had he wanted to be he didn't want to be um identified as a member of the planning board. He wanted his his views to be as
interpreted from a citizen's point of view rather than as a member of the planning board. So um but I don't think he would have a problem with being identified. So I can talk to [laughter] him and and see if he wants to
>> Right. Yeah. offer more feedback. But >> okay. Okay. Uh well, all right. So, what that means is we're missing All right. Uh if we say that we essentially have
um some feedback anyway from the recreation committee because um um John came and and um the chair was there for some of that meeting. um we really haven't heard from other
people at all. And so um I don't know what what do the rest of you feel about what does this say about the whole idea? I
if we look at the document Satie that right has all the comments >> the emails and so on that but I mean I I thought we didn't mention Bill Deio had the comment right did that did that just get said maybe I missed it and
>> go ahead sorry >> is it in it's in that document right >> it is yeah it's half the document no I mean it was sent not half but he I thought what he put down while maybe it was a little I I thought it was very
good in the sense it's going to help really direct us with goals and it kind of overlaps with a lot of what we've already talked about. >> Um so that was one >> thing David when you were saying you we didn't we're not getting a lot I just
wanted to make sure we that bills was called out. I don't I don't think you said that. Who's who's sorry who's you talking about? >> Our chairman our select board chairman Bill >> Deio. >> Yeah, he you know that I thought that
was pretty decent. >> Yeah, >> his overview and it was it was covered a lot of different areas and really um I'm you know I'm not sure what he used to generate that. I don't think he just but anyway that was that was one thought I
had to the comments here. Yeah, I think I think that was Yeah, that was a pretty robust comment. Um, and then Bob Connors had >> Yeah. >> Um, some comments as well. And I think >> yeah, >> it's it was a rather general
request, a rather general question. And like feel like some of these groups don't really aren't thinking about open space issues in their committee or board
work. Um, but I think that once we give them like, you know, a structured document to be like, "Hey, can you point out anything you see wrong with this document?" Then we'll definitely get the feedback we need. But, um, I think for
just kind of being like, "Hey, help us out." Like, I think this was a good amount of feedback for us. Um, if that's what we're worried about at the moment. >> Yeah, I would agree. I think that we can expect maybe a little bit more feedback [clears throat] once we give them the
draft a draft of it. It's a little easier to respond to that. So, and if that's all we've gotten so far, that's all we've gotten. I say we just keep moving. >> Yeah. And everyone everyone got the message and everyone knows about what we're doing. So, I think that in itself
is valuable. Um outreach >> should Okay. So, I was suggesting we should send a followup to people we haven't heard from. Um, am I now hearing we shouldn't?
>> Yes. >> Really need to. I don't want people to turn to be annoyed or anything like that. Um, and they they had their chance and if they didn't respond then they just
didn't have the time or something else, some other reason. Um, but >> what Okay, Satie, let's anybody else please. What do the rest of you think about this? I mean, you know, I think Jim's clear. got a good response from
Bill, but you know, when you ask a whole group of people and you only get three or four, um I that really concerns me.
It It doesn't surprise me, I have to add, but it does concern me. >> You know, I guess I'm trying not to read into it too much. I I I don't feel the need to reach back out. That's just my opinion because I think they're going to get their we're going to get some
feedback from them when we give them the draft. But that's just my one opinion. >> I I I think we get some of the big big ones at least, too. I mean, represent representation from the select board. You know, I know only one, but still, you know, clearly well thought. the
Concom one, it sounded like they discussed it at at one of their meetings and that >> Bob just put forward the the discussion uh instead of each individual person commenting. You know, we have two members of the planning board on the
committee. Um and clearly somebody else has has provided input as well. Historical commission's now on board. The rec committee seems to be on board. I think the the [clears throat] major players have have chimed in, so to speak. And when they get the draft that they're
going to react to, that's really going to force them, right, to >> yeah, >> you know, solidify their thoughts. >> I mean, I get I get responding as a committee or as a board, you know, as one instead of, you know, getting five or six individual responses for each
entity. >> Right. Okay. All right. So, let's scrap the sec from the my idea of sending out a second email followup. Um, we'll see. I think that will
provide a great sort of onus on us to not just deliver um you know uh a 120 page document to these folks um which is one of the issues I think in
the past but that's something that it really doesn't seem to matter. Okay. All right. So, let's scan that as an idea. Um, all right. Any updates from folks
in terms of, you know, anything that's happening or whatever. Um I have noticed there are a couple of initiatives which are out there which have been commented on by order and a
number of other conservation organizations um that um the state has recently issued I think in November um a
real plan once again to aggressively increase efforts to conserve land and to um hold back um development. And as I
find out more of what this actually unveil uh involves um I'll share that information with you because I think we should indicate in any um part of the plan that where it's
relevant that we're aware of this. you know, in other words, we're we're aware of the fact that that the state is in fact doing this and that we um would would want to endorse it and be involved
in it. Um that's the kind of thing I think input that uh DCR is looking for. Um okay. So there is one other thing and the other thing is that um this is something I probably should
have shared with you some time ago. Um some of you may not find it surprising and that is that um I have been having personally increasing hearing difficulties um with which my hearing
aids don't help that much and the reason seems to be in a couple of areas and I'm not sure what exactly I can or or can be done about this um
and how that sort of compromises my working on this whole open space initiative. Basically, there are two things. one is the room in which you meet has what's
known in in the audio business um which I was involved in for a number of years um which is how I'm sort of going to talk about it and has what's known as a hard echo um that that room is is is very hard
surfaced it's also long and narrow a bunch of things which means that if I'm sitting at the end as I do. Um, and that's because I was having trouble sitting in the middle of down one side.
Um, I really don't hear other people very well at all. Um, part of it is that we have a a range of, you know, different voices and so on. So that makes it very difficult for me to know
what's happening at physical meetings which of course is a great irony because I don't like Zoom meetings particularly either though I do hear you better with a Zoom meeting and you can guess
that because I'm wearing a pair of earphones with a with a mic so I know you can hear me and I'm hearing you But I'm still having trouble with some people uh more than others. So um
I feel that probably what that means is I should step down from any active role of chairing public meetings simply because um uh not just public meetings
but I mean our in-person meetings because I I don't hear enough to to one know what's going on uh two contribute And for example, I came away from the last meeting we had. I didn't know
whether you'd made the decision to meet on a date. This this date or time. I I didn't hear anything. Okay. >> Well, I'm I'm sorry that you've been dealing with that. That's that's super
tough. Um, but I I thank you for telling us though because I think we can probably find, you know, something that works like a we can definitely try and look for a different meeting place if that would help cuz I mean that can
definitely you know even with just like distractions or something like the window being right there sometimes I get distracted. So like if I think we could definitely try to find a different meeting spot if that would help. Um, and if if Zoom does help, depending on
what is on our agenda, maybe we could stick with Zoom just so we're all able to, you know, hear what's going on. Um, if we have to meet in person, then maybe we could make arrangements to do that. But maybe if if Zoom is easier for you
to hear, then maybe we could stick with that format from for the time being. or I I don't know what what would be whatever is easiest for you I think is would work. Um >> well okay I appreciate that and yeah I I
obviously um I wanted to share that because it it is a difficulty and and you shouldn't as a committee be you know um how should I say held back or made life difficult because of that. Um, one
of the things which I also discovered in the process which is a bit disturbing not to me because of the hearing issue but I tried to listen to the video recording
and this the audio on the video recording is awful. It really is bad. And I know ex I mean I know exactly why it's bad is because you know we're we're
one in a bad environment anyway for that kind of thing and two um the little camera which is there is in you know I mean it's it's it's it's fine for capturing you know birthdays and
celebrations but it's not good for recording meetings. Um, so I'm not sure what we do about that because offering that um as a real resource I think is very questionable. We should think about you
know whether that really is a documentation of of our meetings and that may apply to other groups too. Okay. So um let me think about it but but I think um uh the only way in in
which I can contribute as a chair of a meeting is is on Zoom currently anyway. Um so we'll see. Um, okay. So, we were talking about a deep
meeting date and and that third um Tuesday is is the one that we decided on. Yes. >> Does that work for everybody back at our normal time, 7 on Tuesday the 20th?
>> Right. And we'll see if it's going to be in person or Zoom for the moment. Maybe maybe a different meeting place, but we'll to be determined. >> Uh, right. Yes. I don't know what our options are, I'm sure. Um,
>> I can I can look into it and I can um contact you, David, and we can talk about it, too. >> Okay. All right. That would be I really would appreciate that. Okay. Um Okay. Anything else from anybody?
>> So the everyone's good with the 20th, January 20th. >> Yes. >> Awesome. >> All right. >> Okay. >> Oh, put it in my calendar. >> So everybody's u comfortable with the
other dates that we selected in terms of um you know final steps in in um writing up the sections and so on. And I think if there are any issues there, we need to get to Sadi as soon as we can to sort
of say, well, gee, you know, we we need to now there is two things about updating stuff. Um hopefully we can find out whether there are need to be any significant updates to the green belt
maps, right? >> Yeah. I I'm will reach out to Abby again because I heard from her. But um >> yeah, I'll I'll keep chasing that one >> on the MVPC maps. Um there was a point
at which and I I tried going in and didn't really come up with any final conclusion. There's um a map which deals with population density. Do you remember that one?
>> The famed population map. >> Yeah. Did where the the the whole coloring issue had gotten reversed. Did that get taken care of? >> Um I believe so. Yes. The I think the maps
that are on uploaded are the latest ones. Um >> okay. And they so they would be on the Google, right? >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. All right. Um
so that's Yeah. And and what about the um uh what's it called? The context. The regional context. >> Regional context also has been updated um with all of our concerns
fixed I believe. >> Okay. All right. So, let me check those and I'll get back to because I did have some concerns about those and I wasn't sure. Um, now where do I actually find those? Oh,
okay. As of 9:18, >> I believe those are the latest, but I could be wrong. So, I can double check and and we can communicate about it. David also have other >> Okay. All right. Great. Okay. So, if
that's it all, I think uh motion to adjurnn someone. >> I'd like to make a motion to adjurnn. >> Okay. >> Is that good? >> And it got seconded. So, the meeting is
adjourned. All in favor? I. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thanks. Bye. >> Thank you. >> Happy holiday January. Have a good holiday. >> Happy holidays everybody.