So today's the 20th of January. I'm calling the open space committee um meeting to order. Um so today we don't have any citizens here. So there's no citizen queries.
Um and then the next item item on the agenda is uh reviewing the meeting minutes. Uh they might type those up. Sadi sent those out. Have people had an opportunity to review those?
>> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. Any other input? >> Changes. No. Um, then I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes. >> I move. >> I'll second it.
>> All in favor? >> I >> I >> Okay. Um, so tonight the bulk of the meeting is going to be talking about um the plan. Um Satie has some information
about um she's had some conversations with Marmech Valley uh planning commission. Um they are um they as you were aware are willing to do the first flush through the document. Um and they
said that they'd like to get it done you know more in its rough draft like don't put too much time into it. Let's take a look at see your progress. So, um, so that's kind of where we're headed. >> Yeah. Um, yeah, they were saying that
usually there's obviously the the formal review at the end of the process, but the um K Emmery who's on the environmental team at MVPC was reaching out and she was like, "Oh, we want to, you know, we want to be more involved before that stage so that you know, we
can get our like we can help you before you get too far down the road." So, um I thought we could just kind of like I think you were saying earlier Christina about um just you know put what we have now into a combined combined dock and
then um cuz I think a few of you have sent me your final I think I have section three, four and five uh final drafts which is amazing. Um, so and
I think I have your guys's red text in there with specific questions, so we can just kind of send it as is. Um, and yeah, just include any specific highlighted questions that people have for MVPC
um to help answer. So we can I can put together what we have unless anyone has anything else that they wanted to talk to MVPC about at this stage. >> So I was wondering um what about the other sections like our action items and
the goals objectives um that stuff do they cuz obviously that those have not been done yet. >> Yeah. >> Um do they still want us to start sending material to them so they can start reviewing that? >> I think so. I think um you know our
action plan brainstorming dock is in a really rough stage but it's looking great. It's nice and got some good ideas going. So I think I think this would be good to send um soon along with the
draft that we have so far. So but I just wanted to check in with people and see like I thought I want or I wanted to go over more of this tonight as well. Um and then I can you know make it neater and we can include it in the draft.
>> What about um which would be I guess section six analysis of needs that >> um I well I had talked to you David about helping draft that. Is that how's that going so far?
>> Unfortunately the timing was bad. Um and that's um why I couldn't get together with Bill and Sadi to draft many of agenda. Um I think actually frankly interestingly
it may be that it's a backwards process. In other words, we identify the action plan and items and so on like this >> and yeah and then look back because Essentially
um section six is divided into four pretty clear sections and that is what do you lack? What don't you have or what you want? Uh what should you be protecting? Okay. And how are you going
to do that? Probably recreation which we have pretty well in spades. um in terms and that's just a question of summarizing I think >> and then management which in our case may be quite a key kind of item I think
but those are the four sections so I think after that takes shape then one can look and say okay these are you know we I think we've all probably begun to identify needs
anyway but I think It makes most sense because if you write some analysis and then go off in some weird directions, clearly you didn't know what you >> Yeah. This the section six seems to be kind of like this but in written form.
Yeah, >> I see what you mean. >> So that's my only comment. >> Okay. Yeah. So maybe we can start um by sending this and say, you know, we're thinking we'll use this to write our section six. Do you have any pointers for that section? Um
does that do you think that might be good process? Yeah, I think if we could um kind of finalize or get this into maybe not the final form, but um develop this further, then after we send that
out, maybe um section six is something um cuz at that point we'll have a pretty good idea what section six is going to be about and then >> um we can start that section six and whether that's we can help David or you know, >> yeah, >> we can work together on that.
>> Okay. Um, does it make sense to like we're brainstorming and once we once we get through brainstorming, does it make sense to put it into those four categories just so in our head we start thinking that way? >> Yeah. >> And then we just make sure we didn't
miss anything which I can't imagine that we have, but I just want to make sure we don't miss any goals or action items that might be in one of those four buckets. >> Yeah. Yeah, I think that would be good. Well, I think they have actually sort of
begun to fall into those sections, you know, into those four ideas. Um, uh, and then as we either expand or amend what's in the action plan, then I think
um, it it becomes clear that we are covering those bases. Um I think what the the state is looking for is two things. Is there a co is there a
uh what should I say? a a coming together of what your survey said and what you as a as a committee have discovered in other ways
that enable you to essentially answer those needs because I you know one of the things I think which is true um if you look at other towns in terms of how they've interpreted
what's wanted. Basically, it's a combination of the stuff that came in from their surveys with clearly either agenda items which were there
continuing from previous plans or from the committee because the committee in many towns is drawn from people who are in the conservation preservation world on the
staff of the town, etc. So, I think that's how it kind of pulls together. >> That makes perfect sense to me, too. I know when I was looking at other towns, um, and we just briefly were looking at the old open space plan, there's a lot
of common threads there. It's like, you know, it's not like whatever what what one town needs, I switch or name your town. It's open space. It's very similar to our needs here. Open space is open space. people looking to conserve it, find ways to do it, and to meet needs of the community. So, there's going to be
some real common threads. And so, there may be actually there are things in the last plan that are going to probably move over move forward and go into this plan. >> Yeah. So, it's it's >> Yeah. The only problem with the last plan and the sort of intimate kind of
stuff that got done is uh and I you know I was part of it so I can confess to it is there was this movement to cover all the bases and to have goals that were not
practical frankly for Newbury. And part of that I now realize looking back cuz I came into that process sort of about twothirds the way through as a member of the planning board. Um it
was because they had a consultant >> and consultant was kind of cranking out what you're supposed to say and you couldn't say well we disagree with that but on the other hand you at the same time we should have prioritized more. We
we should have really said should we really be thinking about this in the next 5 to seven years because there may be other and it it also led to the fact I think that it swamped
the select but all of the people who were supposed to get on board for lots of reasons I would bore you with political mainly but also for the fact it was just too big. I mean it was like this sort of my god you know this
we can't do this >> and we need to avoid that I think and I think we are >> yeah I agree I think that we should be ambitious but realistic >> and this is the longest period ever for
an open space plan that we're attempting to cover. It's never been a 10year plan. Um but I I I agree. I don't want, you know, future us to be super overwhelmed with the amount of things that we said we were going to do. So,
>> cuz we can always do more. >> Yeah. >> And and if we don't get to everything in the plan, it's not the end of the world either. But it's good to have, you know, varied possible projects to attempt. Um, but
don't want to go overboard either. Yep. Agree. Um, all right. So, then do we want to review some of the stuff we people have kind of been spit spitballing here? >> Sure. >> What you came up with and some comments?
I can kind of I kind of you know made the these bold headings um last week just kind of after you know having sat for months with you know all this other feedback from other
groups and the survey data and um so seems like improve existing town spaces kind of encompasses a lot of different things like you know maintenance of trails, um, you know, common hazards like ticks,
um, poison ivy, things like that seem to be pretty, you know, things that people encountered a lot that might stop them from using open spaces. Um, we can work to deal with those things. Um,
uh, review underused parcels for potential conveyance. Yeah, that was something I've been talking to with talking to Kristen about. Um, just kind of assessing different parcels of land that
just are town owned but aren't being used in any way, have no buildings on them, um, have no frontage, so you can't build, but they're just kind of sitting there. Um, I think Mike would know a lot about that as well.
um just kind of seeing if we can do something with them or you know connect them to other use them to connect different open spaces together, things like that. Um um it looks like Mike added some things
management and maintenance plans for existing town and properties. Develop goals for a specific property. That sounds good to me. Develop and create and improve signage at different properties. think >> was this I hate to ask but was this in
>> Okay, I didn't get to do look at this until today. Um >> that's Yeah, that's okay. It's it's in the um it's in the Newbury O. >> Yeah, but what I was going to ask you is I went into that today >> through the Google link and none of
those comments showed up. >> Okay. Like like Mike's >> Mike >> these comments on the side? Well, nothing showed up in in in the comment column. Um, >> okay. >> Which, you know, maybe just an issue
that I had or something, but I did go in through Google through my account on Google and normally it sort of >> it either indicates there's something missing or it provides that. So, so that was all
I'm going to say. I don't know whether anybody else experienced this. >> Problem and I just realized what I did wrong. >> Did you download it and then open it? >> Did you download the document and then open it >> or did you open it right in Google Drive?
>> I >> That's a good question. I probably >> opened it. Yeah, I didn't have any particular occasion to download it at that point, I think. So, I opened it online
>> in the browser. Like if you >> Yeah, if you do download it, it it won't show. >> That's true. >> Oh, it won't show the comments. Yeah, I see it in Google Docs. I just double clicked it and it opened it in the browser and I see the comments. >> So, is it for you folks opening up like that?
>> It is. >> It did. Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. What happened? What did you >> uh It was kind of interesting because I I opened it up. I was looking at it and I saw actually somebody was in there making the change, but I didn't see the comments. And it turns out there's a
little icon that >> now it's showing up as a PDF. >> Yeah. Oh, that's >> really really >> Oh, I got a doc. >> It's it's a doc. >> Well, that's my PDF reader is what opened it. >> Okay.
>> Is that maybe the issue? >> It must be downloaded then. >> Yeah, >> I just downloaded it also. I just tried downloading it. >> Oh, you actually downloaded it. >> I just did both. I just opened it in the browser, clicked double click, and then I also downloaded it. >> If he downloaded it before Mike made
those comments, that might >> Okay. So, all I'm going to say is because of that, >> I have comments which which aren't on it >> and I would like to share them as we go along if that's okay. >> Yes, that works.
>> Yeah, great. Um do yeah so I just had you know goal one goal two provide information education on open spaces and then I wanted to I definitely want you know applying for grant funding to be a big
part of our work after this thing gets approved. Um because that's kind of the whole point. Um >> yeah I would if we're going to prioritize I put that near the top. I mean I think the first goal >> would be to be to me the first goal
which is just not is captured there but we could piece it out even better >> be to like facilitate the implementation of this plan. >> So and then right in that would be pursuing funding opportunities to further goals and objectives of the plan. >> Yeah. It seems like the goal before that
though or like embedded in that goal first needs to be identify like prioritize how you find like which partials that you want that you would like identify at least characteristics of partials so that you could actually identify partials but then also
characteristics of partials because there could be some partials that you're not really aware of because if you go ask for grant money you have to kind of know what you want to use the grant money for. >> Okay. So, >> well, are we talking about asking for
grant money for that >> for tori position >> to actually prioritize? >> M that's a great idea. We'd have to I I think maybe the first step is you know
like we have to research and track what grant like funding is available like what grants are available to apply for and see you know we can see one that's
available you know here's apply for this grant to fund and you know parcel assessment and like analysis and that's kind of you know something we're
interested in. Um so yeah I guess what I'm trying to say is like can do seems like you might be able to do both at the same time but I agree Christina like working as a committee
just on this, you know, reviewing parcels in town to figure out what we want to where we want to prioritize our efforts. >> Yeah, we have like the town owned open spaces, but then like what are the
partials that we don't own that we eventually might want to own? Kind of like um Essex >> or Green Belt, >> they came up with a prioritization. They're like here are the partials that are priority ones. I feel like >> Yeah, >> that could be very useful to us. Yeah, I feel like we could partner with them. We
could also come up with our own list. >> Yeah. Um, something else I wanted to mention to you guys is um Abby um at Green Belt who made those prioritization maps. Um
Mike talked to her and she's going to give us updated maps for our meeting next month, but she also offered to attend our meeting, our open space meeting. So I feel like that would be great to bring up to her if she is able to come to our next one um to talk about
the maps and then like maybe that prioritization strategy of like you know how do we identify parcels that we want to you know focus on the beginning of this plan implementation. Um so and then what's the goal of having
her here like in terms of our priorities like I'd love to talk about our kind of shortterm priorities here over like the next six months. what do we want to get accomplished? And if she if having her come would help us accomplish those, then I'm all in. >> Yeah. >> Um it would be good to
get an understanding of like is it going to help us finish writing the plan? >> Mhm. >> By having her come and maybe it will if she's going to give us some insights. >> I think I think it will. Um, I just figured that, you know, when we review
maps, people tend to have questions. So, she offered just to come and >> Well, I think what they what Green Belt has done is to is to do this for the whole of the county, right? And so, what they should have done in relation to
Newbury particularly is to map in relationship to I think primarily two things. one is conservation protection and the other is agriculture.
Okay. And if nothing else that would give us a much better but much more informed because it's you know done by people who do this all the time idea of what someone with those
capabilities sees in Newbury and to in terms of you know keeping Boston happy if we are show that we're aware of that and that we're working with Green Belt to have that as part of
the town'sformational resources. That's a that's a star. That's that's a gold star. That's good. That's you're you know, you're doing the right thing. So, I think if she can bring something that's that's visual and we can share,
then it's up to you guys as to whether you want to spend the time doing that. Yeah, because I mean it seems like she would be the person to ask about this. Um, you know, maybe besides MPPPC. Um,
but you know, she's she's given us some parcel prioritization maps. I think she'd be the person to ask about, you know, how to focus on. The other thing I think we need to be realistic about um
and maybe this is preempting something I might say later but um having been sort of at this kind of game for a long time in this community there aren't many places that are
in our acquisition sites which we don't know about. Okay. Uh, I would specifically just mention while I'm at it, you need to take out the references you actually have used in there uh to
stuff in Martin Burns >> because one of them is >> this isn't it's not a town owned. >> Well, no, it's two problems. Okay. Um there's a great confusion in the data in my map.
O seems to be the same as six. >> Okay. Six seems to be the same. >> I did notice. Well, they're they're two well at least my map says they're two separate parcels, but they're like in
the same area. They're kind of encapsulated like they're like landlocked within Martin Burns, >> right? But actually reality is there's only one parcel. It's the assessor's office which I think has it
not unusually a little bit upside down and backwards. Also, it's an orphan parcel in Martin Burns. And what should happen with that is the town should get around to going to fishing game and
saying, "Hey, it's yours cuz it's part of your world, so please let's, you know, register the transfer. There's there's no developable possibility." The one biggest one is the um Arnold property.
Okay. and the one on the corner of Corman Road and Elm Street. And since that's a that one is private and two is, you know, in a state of maybe, maybe not, we
need to be very careful as to whether we make a public identification there. But I think you'll find see this this community has four 1 2 3 4 five
major conservation preservation wildlife organizations and they they haven't missed much that's worth having. um that that makes any connective tissue
I think is is the issue here. Um and most of the other parts and pieces that do make connective tissue are either owned by the school system or existing nonprofits including
um the retreat. Okay. which are the oh and Cornwell farms which which line the route from the um playing fields all the way through to govern another if we could
pull that off as a real connective tissue that frankly in my my money would be you know a real coup because you would then have a trail that would be what five six
miles long maybe Jim something like that >> that might be a little long but it's close to that >> but and through some of the most >> that's amazing >> just really neat >> you know stuff we have and >> classic I mean it's riverine it's all of
the things you want and also the state has already made some some effort to acquire And at the end of that, because they own property adjacent
to Route One, where the corner of Governor Dubbers's governor's academy meets Droo One, they own property on the river there. >> Uh mass m that's I don't know who it is
actually. I don't know whether it's fishing game or not sure. >> Mass wildlife. >> Yeah. So are we is this this sort of describing a different something that's not articulated currently or are we saying it's under
>> this interconnected? >> Yeah. Right. Well, it is right. >> It's kind of almost >> Yeah. And level two. A lot of that >> that was a goal in the old plan, >> right? >> Except it wasn't as well spelled out
perhaps. But if you look at the plan map and the old plan, you'll see that was was something. Oh man, it came to a grinding halt when the when Coldwell
had cold feet and said we don't have to do this because they hadn't read their deeds. Most of them. Yeah. Okay. So, enough of history. But it is it does play in. So, >> well, it does. I mean, I'm trying to figure out if we do are we trying to
like do some prioritization before we finish this plan so we have the goals or is one of our goals of the plan that we can sort of pick off soon is going to be to do some prioritization. Which one comes first? I from my understanding I
think prioritization is part of creating the action plan because um then we can put those specific action items into the plan as like you know once it's approved these are the things that we want to get
done as a committee >> I think >> yeah I mean it will just yeah that's like a that's like a big a bigger lift Right. That prioritization is like all I'm saying is that it's going to push our >> schedule out a little bit if we
>> try to get all learned on that topic and then we apply it and then we come up with what we want. I also agree like I'm a little worried >> about putting specific parcels that we might be interested into a plan. I feel like can it be more of high level
like we want to find you know connected we want to connect you know important areas or something like we just sort of >> make some broad brush things and then the plan isn't like what everybody reviews as a draft and goes out to the town you have to be like a little more queued in in order to see well actually
we want to connect these five partals or we want these five parcels to connect this to that that feels not as public that we should put in the document but maybe I'm being overly conservative about what we write down and what we don't.
>> That's a good question for MVPC. >> Yeah, I >> when I said higher level, I was >> thinking >> you articulated it very nicely. So, um >> Okay. >> I think that is >> we should approach it. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> Not get in part because you're going to get caught up in the weeds, right? >> A lot of details, >> right? So yeah, whether it's I mean something that's a little more strategic in nature, I like the idea of interconnectedness and kind of
>> Yeah. >> Um exploring those opportunities. >> Yeah. >> With the goal of you know providing longer hikes or something, you know, that are accessible to different
>> Yeah. >> different right and different aspects. So maybe we'll get like a little more educated on this when she if she comes and she kind of explains how they prioritize things that will give us some of the vernacular that we can use to write in here. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> So okay, what am I hearing here? Am I hearing you want it to move to a higher plane or you want the higher plane to be in there in order to lead
into specifics that make sense? >> Yeah, I think we're going to have to find that balance. Um, >> I think the higher level is, um, it's an easier lift and it gives us a lot of
leeway to make decisions after the plan has been approved. If there was something that we had in, you know, in the pipeline, like if we were continuing renovation on something like that, then I would include that in the plan. But where if we don't have anything that we've started and I can't think of
anything, then maybe keep it higher level at this point. Well, okay, let me give you an example which is missing here which I think we need to consider. Okay, I'll give you the example of the high level as I see
what I'm hearing anyway. I'm not you know bear with me I don't hear every word but um okay so what's missing is water access okay so there's the high level
>> water access the specific which you can find okay is there's a place on middle road which is being used by adventuresome kayakers who probably got rather muddy in. >> Exactly.
>> But interestingly, there's another place that has been largely neglected and that is the fact that the Mill River is a
boundary and we have the northern half of the B the boundary line which runs down the middle of the river. And right on Route One, a few feet from the town line crossing route one is a
pulloff. Okay. Um on Route One, which actually serves for a tidle, in other words, you can't Well, you could do it at low tide, but you'd be pretty pathetic. A tidal access. And the
interesting thing about that is that it's one on the one hand somebody might say complicated by the fact that it's a uh mass dot right of way but at the same time
it exists. It's been there a long time. And also Mass Dot likes to earn brownie points and they might help to fund a rather proper thing
because they would want to make sure that you had sight lines and all that sort of crap that you know that kind of world. Um and so the high level is the water access. A specific example would be one,
can middle road be developed? And the answer probably is no because it's a conservation I think issue. In other words, you'd have to do some stuff to the river bank and a bunch of things. And then two, the second item would be
should we investigate the potential of Mil River? And you get someone from Mad out here and they make someone, you know, take one look, pull their hair and say, "Christ, no. I mean, there's no way." Or they might say, "Oo." And
they're really kind of, frankly, they're often a little weird. There are times when I found through the commission MAPC that they'll do things which you would never think they'd do. And there are other times when they need to do things
and they just don't. >> Yeah. >> So, >> yeah, I feel like if it's a publiclyowned parcel, then I wouldn't have any problem like writing down something specific like that. But if we wanted water access and we liked Joe Smith's >> parcel cuz he has a really big backyard and we wanted to get his parcel. Like I
wouldn't mention that, but I I feel like publicly >> public owned parcels seem a little more fair game as long as >> we sort of thought that through a little maybe property. >> Right. Exactly. We want Christina's backyard. I might not write that down.
But >> the other thing that would demonstrate, you see, is you're leveraging what you have, >> if you follow me. >> Yeah. I mean I think you just gave you just created a water access one that's
similar to an interconnected trail >> type go what you call them goals or something but I like that it's elevated that you can just say you know potential areas >> and just kind of >> now there will be somebody who will say oh why do you need to do all that you
could put a kayak in at the town landing I tried doing that well sometimes it's terrific And sometimes you're not at all welcome because there's no place for your vehicle. I mean, there's all kinds of
stuff and the tide's wrong. And don't >> I don't think anybody would say we could put in something at the town ramp. I feel like everyone wants more access to the water. So, I think >> yeah, the Parker River, I mean, talking about meandering in different opportunities, the Mil River, whatever.
>> Yeah. I could list five areas right away that I'd be like, I'd love to go do that, but I never it's not really set up for it. And so I think some kind of feasibility around, >> you know, these opportunities makes a lot of sense. That's kind of maybe that
should be our goal is to do research on what would be some feasible >> things. Uh and >> and maybe it's nothing more than putting it out there and inviting people to come to one of these meetings and say, >> you know, I happen to have a piece of
property that uh oh, whatever. I don't I can't imagine that's the way it works, but but you never know. I mean, somebody might say, "Hey, you know, uh, I'm getting on and, uh, I don't want to give it to the kids. I just will give it to the town." You know, something like
that. You never >> uh, and just as another aside, since we're talking about water accesses, let's not forget the actual canoe launch that's off of Route One there. >> Exactly. >> That has no canoe launch.
>> At least not with a canoe, >> right? by the golf course. Yeah. Just behind >> Well, it's um you know where the bridge is that goes over the Parker River on Route One there. Yeah. Yeah. >> Just to the right of that, right? If you go down there, there's a parking area and everything and it's all gated off
and there's a like a two mile walk >> to the canoe. >> Is this Where is it? Is this north of the park? >> Uh so it's on the south northbound side. >> Yeah, it's on the north side of the park. We're talking about the same.
>> It's right at the river there. Yeah. >> You go past golf course. >> Not in the town, but somewhere else off. >> No, this is on Route One. It's this little Oh, >> Route One >> where where Route One crosses over the Parker River. So, without bridges that they're always >> talking about just past the golf course.
If you pass the golf course entrance, you go up another quarter mile or whatever. >> Uh, it's actually just past that um >> biology >> the uh what's >> Yeah. Yeah. National whatever it Yes, >> it's NDL. >> It is NDL.
>> You know, >> anyway. >> Yeah. No, I think these are huge opportunities. Yeah. >> That's that's actually state land though that's owned by >> Yeah. Fish and Wildlife. Mass Division of Fish and Wildlife. >> Okay. But >> is that something just because it's
maybe we should get >> state land, right? >> M would be all over now, right? >> That seems like it would make it a better more >> possible. Right. Right. So there I mean there's literally a big iron metal gate across this perfectly good roadway that
it looks like somebody has been driving down periodically. >> Um but it's you know it's I walked down there one day and it was quite a long walk. I could not imagine carrying a canoe during that >> portage. Yeah. Well, that was one of the
places that Marleene Shrader, if you know of her, um, who was very much involved in all kinds of stuff around here and in Newbury report, she felt that that something could happen there because it was already protected land
and and some kind of, you know, um, lowlevel friendly development could could happen. Um, so yeah, great. Okay. >> Um, These are good examples of like >> water access goal. The action is to like
identify five partals or something. I don't know what is the what is the action >> if you put a metric on it especially. Yeah. >> Yeah. I would call more of an objective. So the goal is to identify areas of open space worth pursuing for you know recreation or something >> for water access
>> and then within that that would be the objective identified water access. It's just a little >> so it falls underneath. So I'm trying to keep it like more categorized in general rather than have like >> make that our goal is to identify water
access. Make that an objective within the goal to identify areas important for you know public recreation. >> I like the distinction you're making there too between recreational use and water access because I think they're
kind of two different things. is like if especially if you think Palm Island, that's what came into my mind when you said that. It's like how do you gain access to the beach and how does that all work out? Is there are there opportunities on the island to open up
access to the beach etc. Um so >> yeah yeah yeah depending on how we word that it could yeah I mean we know through the survey um public access to beach is a really big issue um and improving um identified and improving as
David has also done through his his picture slideshow um that's something that we need to incorporate that should be incorporated into probably uh probably an objective or maybe I guess yeah I would call it an objective It is kind of a separate issue I guess.
Yeah, I guess we could look at um >> public access and proven public access and then underneath that >> I mean this is like this is nuanced. The the wording of this section is going to be a bugger. It is. >> Yeah, >> it's probably going to take us the longest to come up with this the wording of this section. I mean, we should
follow their >> the guidance plan so at least it helps us use the terminology that they want to see in order to approve our plan. We don't want to be making up new terms, but >> this is going to be >> one thing that I like what they
described um is that the 10ear action plan should be a table rather than written out paragraph by paragraph and looking at other plans. It really simplifies how that should be done. Um, so
>> that was my image or vision for how it would end up. Like you'd have, you know, the goal like the overarching heading at the top and then like objectives and then like action items
like 1 2 3 4 5. >> In a certain sense, I love I read tables much better. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. quote helps you action instead of just getting a wall of words you got like pieced out for you. The other thing
is that I think >> this is kind of just stepping back for one second, you know, since this is sort of our first real deliverable >> that we're talking about getting this out there and that you know our vision and what we're going to be about after
this gets published which we've talked about before you know this becomes the road map essentially that we are going to maintain right and it is going to change priorities are going to change and so on but I think It's a good way to start stepping into
>> what we do. >> Definitely. >> Right. >> Yeah. >> Just >> I think we could be a little ambitious with it, too. I mean, it's okay to have stuff on there that we have if for no other reason, maybe we even going into we know this is never going to happen,
but at least we've got it on paper and we can go back to it five years from now and say, "Oh, we never did anything on that. Let's try it now." >> Losting. Yeah. >> You know, just to keep up. I agree. And also on the flip side, 10 years is a long time. Who knows in 10 years? I mean, you know, we could be rolling in
dough. Who knows? >> I optimistically >> I mean, there is that >> have a data center come to town and pay all our taxes. >> Yeah, there's that classic exercise of, you know, 2035 or whatever date, you
know, what what could this look like? And >> just those are fun sessions. I think they're good when somebody facilitates it. It keeps you kind of moving along. But anyway, that's off topic. Yeah. >> So, now somehow we know we have to
>> get back to reality >> into achieving. I did think one thing that seems to be a kind of a um I don't know does sort of lend itself to being a goal is uh the maintenance issue especially like um you
know developing a plan to make sure that the stuff that we've already got is maintained somehow and that could include you know what you know how do we secure funding is this something that you know we're looking for a line item at town meeting
for every year something like that. So these things are not I mean it's it's uh more how should I put it? It's like we're not actually doing anything. We're just sort of
saying okay here's somebody is doing something to make sure that these things that we've been working on all this time are maintained and are and are preserved etc. because it doesn't seem like there is anything like that. I mean um in a
way you know I I if you look at say for example the recre from the recreation standpoint you know they do have a budget so they do have to go through that process of thinking about how are we going to pay for all this stuff and um so you know what is the timeline for
that and etc etc um >> and of course you know getting grant funding and all that stuff but of course there are timelines associated with all that stuff as well. So, um, okay. I guess what I'm saying, so that
almost seems like a separate, um, project, so to speak. I guess you could say it's it's going to be like a one-year project that happens every year kind of thing. But maybe we can set up some sort of a I guess what I'm saying is some sort of
a cookie cutter mechanism, >> like recurring. >> We're not recreating the wheel every year, you know, when we do this thing, you know? It's like, okay, we've got this big list of things we want to do. Okay, and here's the machine we use to get them done. We go to town meeting, we get money, we do this, we do that. Yeah.
>> Yeah, that's a great I mean, the first and third bullets, Bill, you edit in maintenance. We've got the third bullet with volunteer opportunities. >> Yeah. >> You know, adopt a trailer, whatever it might be, seasonal stuff, etc. I think Yeah, >> it's good.
>> Yeah. or doesn't the maintenance management issue run throughout this essentially? Um, and you know to me that's another sort of
element here which I think just looking at perhaps through slightly different eyes helps. Um because um one of my questions is I think to not answer but anyway to
react to sort of things that Sean was talking about is how do you create what I well in the old days would it be called manpower nowadays you have to call it person power right
um that's both paid and volunteer because that's the way this stuff tends to work in communities. Um, and one of the things that New's never had is volunteer, >> right?
>> And it's also never had paid. So guess what? Nothing much got done. um you know because when those sorts of issues arose there was nobody to say oh we can do
that or that's mine and I'll see that that happens and we need to do it and I think I may have identified a a possible
left field vehicle to start the process. Um >> but is >> and I I I don't know it's maybe not gerine to where we are right now but it is to the whole business of um
essentially town property and that is okay. So my idea is simply we need as a community to face up to the fact
that we need to put a permanent forever conservation preservation restriction on the upper and lower green. Okay? I mean, I don't think anybody would argue with that except it's never been done because one, people didn't seem to think
it was necessary and two, it was always a question of who pays or how do we pay for that. The point is we own it. We don't have to pay for the property. All we have to do is pay for the papers and that's not that very much. If you pay,
if you do that in the process, you can create a Newbury land trust that holds those those preservation restrictions, right? And the Newbury land trust then becomes
a vehicle for your volunteer broadly across the community land um open space activities. But I think and it's only my one man's
opinion but it is based as I say on a years of looking and listening and that is until there is that sort of agency quote unquote not capital A but small A
agency that sort of group in the community it's going to be very difficult support to create the kind of maintenance management sort of meld that that you
have to have. Um and and you know all all nonprofits for example who do this who are really very very successful all have a very successful volunteer program.
>> Yeah. green belt being, you know, a supreme example who've really pushed hard in the last two years to to rev theirs up. Um so for me, one of the goals that needs
to be in in this is is this um business of which has to do with you know somewhere in there about town properties. Um it's not an improvement in this conventional sense of you know putting in drainage or something but
it's an improvement in the sense of protecting it. I definitely I definitely see that as something that you know when we are putting together these plans that u that's certain that's a that would be
something you'd want to see in the plan you know who you know you want to see what who has the responsibility to do what portions of let's take an example uh borders to Boston trail here. You
know, it's Let's talk about um the northbound section there. Well, okay. Part of that is going to fall on Mass DOT. Part of it is going to be National Grid. They're going to insist
on it. Part of it is going to be the town. I mean, uh you know, uh you know, uh various incundary places. I mean, all of the, for example, um, safety issues of the trail going to be handled by the
town. Um, and then there's going to be volunteer. I mean, to make the thing, you know, interesting and worthwhile, you know, people are going to want to. So, it's all >> and I could I can see that for Well, I
mean, part of the problem with just uh talking about this canoe access thing. I mean, I think part of the problem there is, uh, you know, if you look at the state of the parking lot and the road, we're not sure who's responsible for that. Uh, why
is the gate not open, all that stuff. And we're, you know, I could think I would imagine that there are people who have, you know, canoes and kayaks that would be very interested in getting that gate opened and having access to it somehow.
>> But I I just wonder if there's any way it, you know, I just got a feeling that it wasn't planned that way. In fact, I know it wasn't planned that way because originally it was a wood lot, I think, if I recall. But um anyways
uh so I guess that's I guess what we're talking about here is more uh parts of projects that we don't want to neglect because we're just trying to get our uh you know kind of finish up a project and and take it off of our list of things.
But um anyways, that that sort of thing is the kind of thing that seems to I could see it happening in the board of Austin trails thing, although I got a feeling there will be
some kind of volunteer um this army out there to some degree that that helps with that. all these other things. I'm just wondering what a perfect example is the uh uh the Cwell Farms Trail. I mean, I
don't know if anyone's been there, uh but you know, it's like there's really nothing there. I mean, it's Yes, it's there. There's a place you could pull off the side of the road, but you know, there are no markings on the trail. There's, you know, if you can might be able to make your way around it
if you had a map or something like that, but you know, there's no plan to do anything more on that. It's just kind of that's the end of the project. It's done. Why don't we move on? >> Um, that's it. >> So, David, do you feel like what Satie
put up there begins to capture what you're saying? So place conservation restrictions on the lower greens, create new land trust to oversee manage. >> This Yeah. Right. Okay. Um right. Uh
>> right. Yep. Yep. Exactly. It's that that kind of stuff. >> Yeah. And we if we get get these sorts of things great si into this which is our working sort of yeah because um
I I okay one of the things you were asking about sort of how this would be maybe look well uh so often the model is this thing where you have
goals sub goals. Um, and you end up having to identifies come from and this kind of thing. There is a way in which that is very helpful. But I'm wondering
I've wondered from time to time whether that doesn't sometimes um whether that oh how can I put this whether in a sense that doesn't need to be in in an appendix or or something
further down because what it tends to do in my estimation and I think this is often the reason why things don't get the the thrust of the goal gets lost
>> in in all that stuff, right? Plus, I don't know always that we or a group like this is always the right body to determine who's responsible
and also to invent where they think the funds are coming from, which is always an embarrassing question in Newbury, like who's paying, right? Um so just you know that that's just a thought that we
might want to look at that con very conventional layout which it tends to appear I think by kneejerk in almost every every one of the these plans I've looked at until recently started to change a
bit and so it it the way of doing it might be if you take it out of what people read cuz they tend not to read appendices, right? But if you put it in an appendix, when the state says where is it, you can
say appendix D, >> you know, because they're bound to ask, did you think about, you know, >> I'm afraid? >> Yeah. >> For what it's worth. >> Yeah. No, it seems like a good idea. Yeah. So,
>> but it does it does lead to the fact that even though all of that was in process and in the original plan when it came to the beach access issue,
it failed. I mean it didn't it didn't achieve anything because the funds got consumed by a whole bunch of other priorities which largely the town as a whole was not committed to
um the the administration might have been but the town wasn't don't you know so there you go. >> Okay. >> All right. Um, >> so I think to your point, I think when we're doing our action table,
identifying the funding sources is probably one of the most challenging things. Not only who's going to be the lead support or take on that that action item, but identifying potential funding sources. So like in some other plans I'm looking at, they have like they list town, they list CPA.
So, and that is a lot of towns rely on that to fund some of these action items. And CPA is something that we haven't really talked about. um if that even would be an option or if something that we could include in the plan and I'm not 100% sure exactly how that
works. CPA. >> Yeah, I think it's something that the town has to vote on >> a town meeting. Um from what I've heard, it's been brought on the warrant many times, but it never
gets approved or like majority never votes to enact a CPA, which is kind of sad because we're missing out on state money. Um, but you know,
it's how it goes, I guess. Um, but yeah, it would be it would be cool to have one. >> Okay, goal two. Are we sort of in that direction? >> Yeah. Well, I wanted to ask if anyone
else um wanted to add anything in particular or if if we wanted to have people send ideas to me or, you know, add to the document. >> Well, the only thing I thought maybe needs to be dropped in there somewhere.
I'm not quite sure. I think that's the right point. Yes. um that we should be sure to include that there should be public information
about public access on quote unquote private property >> and that I'm talking you know specifically about Cwell Farms about 105 High Street
um and then there's one other I can't think what it is where you have a conservation restriction or similar where they did this under an OSRD um because that's important of for two
reasons. One is that it solves it doesn't solve but it the issue of the guy who called up and said where's the trail map for the the the stuff on 105 I high street right um that
is cuz there isn't as far as we know except it turns out there is apparently there's a trail that's been done by the developer >> right >> but that was held tight to the developers chest or whatever. So, that
gets to be, I think, an item that we need to kind of put in some sort of form. >> Um, because that's public access and that
is the last piece in a sense in an OSRD. In other words, what you've achieved because the OS the fact we're doing OSRDs is a positive for open space, >> right? >> And if you achieve the whole thing, the
last piece is that trail and a plan trail and information and mapping and whatever. And as Mike very importantly pointed out, and it ties in with what we were talking about earlier,
knowing and understanding there has to be a maintenance plan that things like that don't just sort of survive all by themselves, >> right? >> Yeah. Okay, I've added that in. Um
that's important. One thing I um that just occurred to me, I had put a comment that was very sort of granular which was if you in goal too when we talk about uh >> um you know keeping the website up to
date the information aspect of things and I was saying well you know have a way for the public to kind of I guess >> you know part of it >> is to keep this a living >> effort right >> and current up toate >> create um you know engagement with the
community and so on >> communication >> I I my comment off on the right there was sort of >> veered at social media but I think if you take a step back and we go a little higher level it's about a communication plan
>> and an ongoing one which naturally fits into providing information fits into maintenance it fits into a lot of aspects here >> you know where if you broadcast out to the public and they have a way to then >> engage or come back to you.
>> Uh I think that's going to determine or lead to a lot of success here. >> Yeah, definitely. >> So, you know that we've talked about the problem of the website. You know, you got to get to that spot on the website. You got to find it >> and then what it's sort of static. Let's
try to make this uh so maybe you know without getting too specific something about a communication determining a communication strategy and plan >> for how to keep you know residents informed of
both what we do as well as what you know the property specific >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Right. And you're right because to me, see that's what >> that's an underlying reason for continuing
>> the existence of the open space committee beyond the plan. >> Exactly. >> And two, for the creation of the land trust. >> Exactly. Because if you come here like you folks did and there was a land trust
and an active recreation committee, you would at least have known that there were such things and could have asked about what are they doing, who are they and expect to find information. Whereas right now as you well experienced
and thank goodness you did. Frankly, you volunteered and >> like who's in charge? you are. >> Oh, right. >> Everybody around the table is >> No, but you know, I mean, really, it's just >> And wait, and so who pays for the land
trust? Like, is is it just part of the budget? Is just a line item in the budget? Like, where does the funding come from the land trust for the land trust? >> Well, that's that's okay. So, that's the other elephant in the room, right?
uh which we all know. And that to me comes out of a really neat relationship, if one could pull it off, between what the recreation committee is doing
that's generating enough money probably to have a part-time person actually running programs. and the way in which that begins to integrate into uh activities of the town like the DPW
who are already doing some of the sort of maintenance things like the mowing and and this kind of thing. Um, I honestly don't know, and I haven't had a chance to talk to John about it. Um,
whether there's a plan, I hope there is, for that very fancy playground that they put in because, you know, it's not going to just sort of exist. it's going to be used and it's going to need to be
maintained and monitored and we're going to know need to know how it comes through the winter and all that kind of stuff. They're much more in tune with that need than anyone else probably. So, um I I think it's almost as though you
need to find a way of of funds that can't be usered for other things, >> right? Mhm. >> And also maybe some funds that are raised by even quite modest raised by
and handled by a nonprofit a a an entity which is legally related to the town but separate from it. >> I think yeah >> like the library I mean they have friends
>> exactly very good. Yeah. Yeah. And in a way that's that's actually yeah think about that because if you could become a land trust you get to be a a you know vote card carrying a member of land
trust throughout the state. There's a whole bunch of things which could be used as a little pressure group just like you were talking earlier. I mean, in a way, the Border Boston group here, you guys, and the Border Boston
initiative is a whole interesting pressure group that works in each community from my experience. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Um, I want to just I think Jen, you said you had to head out around 8:30, right?
>> I do. >> Okay. Um, does anyone have any other additions to the list at this moment? >> My only question is, um, I feel like we need a summary like of
the survey results >> that we can put in here and we have to make sure that some of our actions and goals and objectives match what the survey results are. >> Okay. >> Do we have that? >> Yeah. Yeah, I have I have the just charts. I can maybe I think it would be
good to write just like clearly write out what they say like a like in the scientific paper results section of a scientific paper like write it. Is that what you mean?
>> Well, yeah. I do think that like having a summary of what were the top issues like what did everybody agree on, you know, and then how does that play into what our action plan is? >> Yeah, we just need >> a common thread on how people answered some of those questions that needs to be incorporated into our goals. For sure,
>> the actual survey results should be in the appendix of this document. Um, but they're like needs to be summarized in a way that it's not too verbose because there's everybody a lot of people said some very similar things but word it differently and some of the answers are out left field and so we don't need to
include all those so we just need a way to condense that down into something comprehensive. >> Yes, I agree. >> Okay. >> Well, I think our survey results are not that different from many places. Okay.
in a broad sort of brush way. And I also think they to a degree mirror what the recent oh god I can never remember what it
stands for but it's a thing called scorp >> um the statewide comprehensive open space recreation >> no school okay it's it's a recreation
focused Yeah, it's recreation focus and they >> they have done statewide surveys and I think they're due for once maybe they're doing it. I have no idea but the last one was 17 somewhere in there something like that. Yeah.
>> And anything that we do needs to be sort of congruent with that. Um and at the same time, you know, if one can point to the fact that our community is is reflected of
the state of the whole. Um and and you know, yet at the same time not pedal that too hard because we're very different from many many communities. It's not obviously yes the cities but there's no community I haven't found one
yet that has anywhere near the percentage of conservation held preservation held land there's nowhere else that I know of maybe maybe Nucket or some place like that but you know um
and and that does change the ball game because we don't have real local input control over those things. We can we can have it but we tend not to
you know witness the pig cows right which you know was very unfortunate kind of uh affair but anyway yeah >> so um your question was do we want to
add more to that I think um I think this is a great start. I think as we after this discussion we can kind of think of some more goals or things that are important. Um maybe again look over the results from the the survey
>> and also our um discussions we had with some of the organizations and stuff too. I think um we can probably come up with something um and that we can add to this. Would it be easier for you to kind of
put it into like a a more refined format like uh >> this that's less human. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Or just send you more bullets and then do you want to take that on to organize it? >> Um if you guys have more you want to
add. Um, I would say yes or yeah, send me what other ideas you have like and then you know it won't be done but I'll I'll send it to I'll I'll clean it up, make it more refined and then
send it within the draft to MBPC. >> Okay. >> To review. >> Okay. Is it possible to send it out, bounce it before we send the document out? >> Um, yes. I mean, do you want us to go through it? >> Yeah, definitely. Um, I can just, you
know, email it and you guys can if there aren't if there is anything major that you see wrong with it, then you can just say, "Okay, looks good." And I'll send it off. Um, do you want to make
Thursday the deadline for submitting any other ideas to me regarding this list? Does that seem reasonable or is that too >> this Thursday? >> Is that too short of us? >> I'm going to be a C from now until Thursday myself. >> Well, there you go. >> How about Monday? >> Missing home.
>> Yeah. >> Monday. >> Yeah. >> And then Yeah. Tuesday I can like the end of day. Monday you can submit things and then Tuesday I'll spend some time cleaning cleaning it up and then hopefully by the end of day next Tuesday
I can send it to you guys to >> So where are you thinking that um are we not going to put it into a table format before we send it to MVPC? That's where we're headed, right? Is to put this into a table. >> Yeah, actually I think the the new plan
um they recommend that it's in the table. Okay. I can I can put it in a table just so we can start visualizing how it's going to >> Yeah. Cuz sometimes that influences how we write things. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
>> I think it's going to be very very rough though. >> Yeah. Oh yeah. >> So just making sure that >> which is okay. >> Yeah. We right it's almost like >> like some blank rows. >> Yeah. What we're giving them is we really want three, four, five, and maybe
some of six to get their input on that, right? And feedback on that. >> Yes. >> They're going to have plenty to do. >> Exactly. There's going to be a lot to churn through in six and seven. Yeah. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> So, um, do we
>> I'm sorry. Yeah. >> Do we are we putting together specific projects that we'd like to see accomplished at this point? Like one that I kind of stumbled on or remembered was uh the Marsh Loop Trail at the
Central Street playing fields there, >> right? >> And we kind of ran up against a roadblock as well, there's that bridge that doesn't there is no bridge. There should be a little some sort of walkway or whatever. And there were some repairs to the path and all that stuff. So I
I guess my point is um there's something that you know I could see you know you know where you where you would sort of uh like have a process that you would sort of be talking about as kind of like stepping stones to see you know this
thing like you went to the conservation commission you know what was the result of that I mean did they ever get back and that sort of thing so in order to get to the next stage which is okay well how you know what kind what's the feasibility of putting a some sort of walkway across this uh water thing and
who's going to do it and then how much money and then how do we raise that money and then >> so what >> would you say for >> I thought um we're kind of we're thinking more of keeping it at a higher level but then be able to incorporate that not so not call out like we need to build a bridge on this trail but rather
be like enhance um and improve >> create the mechanism to enhance and improve trails trails and maintenance or something like that we're going to people of a higher level. >> And I think just quickly like if we're talking about the management of
properties and existing or new ones and so on like just the idea of a backlog >> you know having that backlog list. So if you >> you know if we want to capture these things maybe it's we start on a rough
backlog >> that can be something that you can always throw into an appendix and say these are you know past projects that we know need revisiting or something along those lines. >> Yeah. >> That way we're >> so we memorialize them somewhere so we don't forget about
>> anything like that. Yeah. But but and that's going to play into what >> you know we do moving forward. So >> yeah, >> it's a good idea. >> Certainly they would fit in as examples. >> Exactly. Right.
>> Totally. >> You know, here's the general goal and >> Yeah. >> Well, here's something we were looking at. >> Here's another thing. Here's another thing. >> This is kind of what we're talking about. Okay, >> that's fine because I came up with like five things and that's kind of the way I
think. It's like, okay, here's a project I'd like to see done and you know, but you know, they're they're all kind of the same project if you look at them from a top level perspective. >> Good to have the list. It's a good list that to write down. >> Yeah. >> And include here somewhere. >> Yep. >> Right.
>> And some of them I mean they're not online, but you know, we've been having these meetings for a year, so there have been people >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I feel like everybody should have something that they are passionate and that's why you're here. So, like, let's make sure we write that one down in the plan. Find
a way to incorporate everybody's passion project. >> And here we just got David's >> on the upper green and lower green. >> Yeah, >> you probably have a few more, but >> yeah, I guess we'll say these back. Okay.
>> Uh, I guess my question at this point, I think it's the right point, is what is it we're really asking MVPC to do at this point? Um, I think just give feedback on where we are. Um, if we're missing anything
crucial, if we're on the right track with our action plan. Um, and I think they'd probably have some good insight about, you know, our question of, you know, how granular should we be getting in our action plan?
Um, because they have lots of experience with, you know, approved plans. So, >> they're also going to like help refine all of our text. Like, everybody wrote their own sections from their own perspective. So, I think they're also going to start at the beginning and try
and like refine our text and make it >> I mean, flow. >> We want to get two, three, four, five like >> done. We want it. >> So, to this stuff, which is the good stuff. Exactly. Exactly. To some degree,
they've got to know what it is we think we're sending them. Do you know what I'm saying? >> I can explain that it's a draft. Like, you know, is that what you mean? Like, I'm not sure what you what you
mean. >> Well, okay. I having been the other end of this uh for a while um although I didn't get to do that but um it would seem to me if we need
to give them a a sense that we're aware that there won't be things that that are there that we have but don't need to send them. What I'm thinking of is we know um that we have to have for example
letters of support. We know we have to have references. We know we have to have a bunch of things. >> They know it's it's a preliminary. So, it's essentially >> the stage we're at right now >> telling them we're sending you this, but we're not sending any of that and we
know that that's, you know, either we have it underway or we know it, you know, we're obligated to do it. Because if I'm at the other end and I'm looking at something and I think, whoa, wait a minute, from my perspective and the
commission's this is sort of this missing something. >> No, I think that those conversations have already happened cuz we were going to wait and send them a more final document and they said, "Don't wait. Just send us the scraps that you've got now and we'll try and refine it and piece it together." So, I think those conversations have already happened and
they know what's coming. I think they want they want to catch us before even before those steps so that they can you know make those >> if they're willing to do that great but um >> yeah we we have to be I think clearer about what we're sending or why and to
some degree leave them to decide you know >> and they'll come back and say don't forget you have to do this this this and this like that's what they're >> helping us yeah okay >> and you know what we added references to the back of that word document We have references. Our references for our section 4 are in the references
section. >> Oh, great. You like decided to create a new document. We grabbed your template >> when we put in section 4. So, if you put everybody else's sections into that one, it should be your template. But if you were taking it out and putting it somewhere else, >> grab our section 9. >> Okay, good to know. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Thanks. >> Okay. So, say how you feel um about wrapping this part up and getting stuff together. Do you need any more input from us? I feel good Monday. >> So, Monday, >> you guys will send by Monday, you guys
can send me more ideas for this. Um, and then I'll do my best to organize it and get it ready for the end by the end of next week, I guess, um, to send to MVPC. >> What do you think? Because how are we
going to compare the survey results to this if we don't have the like survey results >> right up? So, is there any way that you could work on the survey results right now? >> Yeah, I can do that for I mean I could probably do that this week. Um
>> cuz that would help inform if we need to add anything else here if I wanted. >> That's true. You're right. Okay. So, I mean >> I don't think I can have that done super quickly. >> Yeah. I mean, >> but by the end of >> kind of look at the survey results and
just say, "Okay, this is really important." >> Okay. Maybe can you send out can you send out the document that has all the survey results in it? Did you already send that out or just like refresh it? >> It's in the I mean >> doesn't have it's just my preliminary
you know like >> analysis. >> Um it's the survey results >> data coalition >> data coalition summary. Okay. >> Yeah. >> With the with like the most clear like themes. I think that's what she's
showing now is is is the easiest one to use. >> Uh there is a howling arrow. Did you find it? >> No. >> Okay. Uh well, the walls anyway. Um >> something. >> Have a good flight tomorrow.
>> Okay. something was shown as 3% or something because the number should have been >> like7. Okay. >> Oh, I think that was >> Yeah. Yeah, that percentage is wacko.
>> I don't know how that happened. I can fix that. >> Okay. Yeah, but it it's glaring because 4% of um 150 something is not 117 by anybody's weird math.
>> The the I'm pretty sure this number is correct, but the percentage is >> Yeah. Well, it it basically it reflects what we sort of I think know, don't we? And that is I can't remember the title of the what's the title of that column?
Um, what what recreational activities have you and or your family participated in within the last year within the time of the break? >> Okay. And so what's that? >> The one with the error is beaching. >> Yeah. >> It's 117, but I don't expect
>> frankly the other two. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Well, I looked at I thought, woo, wait a minute. You know, either we've got a wrong data or we've got some funny math. Funny math is the culprit. >> Yes. And well, okay, this was a good
example of the fact that the to me, maybe this is obvious to the rest of you, but that um MVPC guys need to know that that we have that as a source. Do you see what I'm saying? Not just
that we did the survey and ran the numbers, but we have something like that already that we're using as a tool. That's kind of why I feel like it's important to get the summary like into the draft of the plan because that will inform MVPC a little bit so they can see
what our town is all about and kind of like the questions that we asked and the answers that we got because I feel like that will >> that might help them refine our narrative. >> What's wrong with just giving them this? Um,
>> it's it's I mean I it's still kind of preliminary. I I mean I've I've just struggled kind of with tabulating some of the like questions three and four. I think I struggled or I don't this I did this so long ago I don't quite remember
but um I can send them this valuable data. Yeah, I feel like does touch on >> you could just send them that and then also >> if you have the raw data you could ask them do you guys have a good way of summarizing survey results because they've obviously done so many surveys
and taken the results so like let's ask them how best >> to that is pretty wacko and I do not know why this happens and this is not us but many many
of these plans hands list every damn single person's response in the do you have anything to add or something like this. I mean, there's one town that has, I think, 327
individual >> spelled out as part of their as an appendix to their plan, which is absolutely cuckoo because you can't digest it, you know, and I don't know. >> It is interesting to create like public
engagement though and to say, see my comment, they at least acknowledge my comment, so they must have read it. So I can kind of see on the flip side >> I I think that's behind it. But you know when you have that many obviously in a large community it might take you half
an hour to to find your own because they weren't grouped as far as I could tell. They would just know just >> I mean I don't think we'll end up doing that um just for the reasons you said David. I think I think this is, you
know, kind of more our speed. >> Yeah. >> Like that CA, is it not? >> You were going to have more. >> Okay. >> You were going to uh do a more um what
should I say? Written out analysis. >> I can. Yeah. So, I'm just wondering if um as you're going through, you could maybe pick out one or two of the open-ended responses. >> Yeah. As like, you know, a perfect example. >> As this resident stated, you know, each
parking is a huge issue and you I'm like, >> so at least, you know, you can sort of I guess what I'm saying is you can screw some of that stuff throughout the narrative, I guess. >> Yeah. Were you going to say something though? >> Um, no. I mean, I was just thinking like
I'm trying to vision. I would keep this and then a couple I just do a couple paragraphs page maybe kind of summarizing results. Who took the, you know, where where the survey, how was given, who took it, you know, page. Yeah, just some real basic summary stuff.
>> Yeah, >> I think that should do it. >> Sounds good. >> All right. Um, >> yeah, I'd like to move on to committee member updates if anybody has anything else they'd like to add. outside of this.
>> No, >> no, >> no. Hearing none. Then let's go um and pick our next date for the next meeting. >> Sounds good. Um month from now,
February 24th or 17th maybe. Third third Tuesday February. >> Come on. Birthday open space committee meeting. >> Your birthday is the 17th. >> A we we don't have to do that to you.
>> What more what more could I think? >> What more could you want? What more could I want? >> So the 44 >> uh the 20. We can I feel like we should do it on the 17th. Who cares? It's just
another day. We'll celebrate a different day. >> A >> we can't the whole No, the whole committee just just do the 17th. >> I'm sure I should have said it. >> So, are you saying the 24th or No, >> no, I think we're doing the 17th. We're
sticking with our usual schedule. I'm writing your birthday in my planner, though. >> The 17th. >> 17th of February. Get a little rusty can for your birthday. >> Or maybe before.
>> That would be a fun meeting. Maybe we should just have it there at the all of us. >> Open space meeting of the rest. >> All right. >> Or is it 17? Yeah. >> 17. >> Are we alternating? Are we doing it here or we doing it on Zoom? What do people
think on Zoom next time? >> I liked the alternating thing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, honest, but most nights when we alternate in Zoom, I can actually do it straight from work and it's like it works. >> And if the um person is coming, she
could like show her screen and really walk us through if the Essex kind of green belts um Abby is going to be there. I feel like we found it really helpful the last time we had a guest that they did it while we were on Zoom and >> we all had our computers in front of us and it was a really good efficient >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Let's stick with that. >> Okay. >> Are you okay with that? >> Zoom it. >> Zoom for the next one. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I think that works. >> All right. 7 o'clock. >> Sure. >> All right. Doing a Zoom at 7 o'clock on
the 17th. Is there anything else anybody else like to add before we close? >> I would like offline to talk to you all before we leave. >> Okay, we can turn off the turn off. >> All right. >> Do we need to make a motion? >> Yes.
>> I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> All in favor? >> I