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So today is June 2nd and I'm calling to order the open space committee meeting. Today in the meeting and on the call uh we have Christina Hoffman, Jim Dueling, Mike Carbone, and Satie Woodward from Newberry Planning. Um I'm not seeing any

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citizens on the call today, so we're gonna jump right in. um to our agenda uh today. We're going to uh review the action plan. Um we have a bunch of work to do there. And then um we're going to discuss the action plan map. Hopefully

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we have something we can kind of look at and brainstorm over a little bit. Um and then I know that uh we have to kind of get this thing going um with some deadlines. So we're going to review the next steps, maybe put some times and

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dates to that. Um, and so yeah, and that's going to be pretty full agenda. So, um, has everybody had an opportunity to review the meeting minutes? >> Yes. >> Good. I did, too. Thank you, Mike.

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Again. Um, so then I'd like to move to approve the minutes. >> Yep. I'll second that. >> All in favor? I >> I >> Okay. Um so, uh we had an action plan.

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It was a draft. We all had an opportunity to comment on it. Um send those in to Sadi. Um some of you, um put a lot of work into it. Um I think there's still a bunch of work that can be done and more comments perhaps and some decisions to be made. Um but maybe

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Satie um Cena you were took all the information kind of fed it into that graph that we have now. Maybe you want us to start there and then that'll just trigger I think discussion between the rest of us. >> Sure. Yeah, that sounds good. Um,

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so >> and then maybe well I'm just going to interject here because I took your version Satie um Satie and I kind of you know we talked about is there any way to simplify it and so I took a stab at simplifying it but yet I

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really kept all of the items. I just created more goals. So maybe you can talk us through at a really high level of like what you did and then you handed it over to me and then I'll talk at a high level of what I did and then I can share my screen.

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>> Sure, that sounds perfect. Okay. Um I I mean I appreciated everyone's comments. Um I thought they were pretty straightforward. Um, and I pretty much just, you know, went through the list

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and, um, I found a couple things that could be maybe incorporated into the, um, the summary, like the section six summary. Um, but, um,

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I pretty basically just, you know, made the edits that you had all suggested. If um you ask for something to be rewarded, I took a stab at rewarding it. Like for example, I think um 1.2b,

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which was establish a program to regularly monitor existing town health um CRS. I think I rewarded that a little bit to work with and assist the conservation agent in regularly monitoring

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um CRS. And um so just like little rewarding things um mostly. Um and then I added in Bill your comments that you

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sent separately as well. Um and then yeah, that's that's basically everything that I did. It was a pretty quick process. Um great comments. Um, and then yeah, I sent it over to Christina.

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>> Yeah. No, I thought it was, you know, it's looking really good. So, let's see what people think about this. I didn't necessarily see any requirements in terms of how you had to lay these out other than they wanted you to have goals and objectives. And so, I am going to

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share my screen. Oh, actually, >> oh, can you I'll make you co-host, which I think you need to do. Share. All right. Try it now. >> Yeah, it's just being Is it working? >> Let's see. It will let me do this. Okay.

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I was trying to show them both at the same time, but I'm just going to show them one at a time, I think. So, it's just showing the one that I'm scrolling through, right? >> Yes.

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>> Okay, good. Hey, Sean. Nice to see you. Didn't mean to. All right, we can see you going for the unmute button, but just we're all saying hi. Okay, so

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we had goals, right? We had like goal number one, protect Newberry's natural resources. Goal two, meet Newberry's current and future outdoor recreation needs. And goal three, meet the needs for municipal management. And then we had objectives under there. And then we kind of had tasks underneath

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objectives. And I instead of having these very broad ones, I tried to refine them. I tried to categorize all the action items that we had um identified and

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combine them into um uh bigger Oh, there it is. A bigger one. So, I'm going to stop sharing. For some reason, it won't let me share both screens at the same time. I'm going to share the second one. Here's a revised version. And I haven't taken the time to

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move everything. Um, can you guys see that in purple? >> Yes. >> So, I just made more goals. >> I made um mobilize and secure necessary resources to execute on this plan.

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Protect undeveloped and important open space resources with conservation or recreation value. So, that's like get new stuff. Goal three is maintain or enhance existing stuff. Goal four was enhance community

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awareness, involvement, and stewardship. Kind of our public outreach piece. Goal five is like maintain I wanted to come up with the right words for this. So I'm very open to anybody wordsing any of these. Um maintain engagement with

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municipal offices to facilitate implementation. And that's where like the concom comes in, the DPW like planning board, who who what not. And then, you know, I struggle a little bit with the recreation needs cuz I can never get it in my head like where the

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line is between open space and recreation because Newberry has it like so defined in terms of open has recreation committee that, you know, deals with center center street central street fields. Um, so I just sort of took a pass and I just grabbed a whole

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bunch of go um, objectives that were listed under that and the existing one and I put them there. Um, but for sure that one might require a little bit more help depending on how we're trying to think of recreation cuz all of the open space is recreation. So, but that if we

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use that philosophy, we might want to change the title of this. So then I made all of the individual tasks. I just made them objectives. I just kind of used the smart philosophy and we can take this out later, but it was just like what are we doing? Is it

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measurable? Like how can we do it? Um so that they were more discreet tasks which we're just going to call them objectives to follow the state's philosophy. So, I didn't copy over, you know, the lead support, which was filled out for most of these things on the other one.

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And I added in some ones based on my review of the Scorp cuz I thought it would be good to weave in some of the language um that the Scorp was using for recreation. Um, so anyway, that's basically what

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I've done and I'm happy to, you know, keep going or change directions. >> I mean, I think this makes a lot of sense. It's more applicable to what we've been working on. Um, the SCORP I I

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saw in I think it was a workbook or whatever, there was a section specific to the Scorp. Do we incorporate or do you envision incorporating the SCORP in throughout the whole document and try to apply it to different sections or should we just put the Scorp like its own section and incorporate that into action

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items? >> No, I think that we should weave some of the data from SCORP into the narrative. Um, so maybe we can talk about that after we talk about this, but like there are some things rolled into here that

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are from SCORP. For instance, Scorp has like four main goals and it's like develop trails and um I had them all listed on the side here. I shouldn't have taken them out because I was using them to make sure that we got some of them in. Um but they

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had four big goals that the state is going to basically spend their money on over the next 5 to seven years. And so I tried to hit the ones that seem most relevant to what we had already put in our action plan, but I tried to use their like nomenclature.

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>> Yeah. And those aligned pretty well with a lot of our goals, right? Just the goals of the score. >> It did. There were some that like focused in a little bit on um so goal number one for the SCORP is to improve

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access to beaches and water-based recreation facilities. So we do have water-based recreation. So I, you know, wo that one in. Goal number two is support trail projects. And so I did add in some action items that were

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and objectives that were specifically using the word trails like let's map our trails and see if there's any linkages that we could be working on as like help part of our prioritization goal three. Let's see.

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I think it was related to like oh yeah enhancing playgrounds, you know, in parks or something along those lines. And so I didn't totally focus on that because that's where I felt like maybe it was leaning towards the recreation department, but I'm happy to reverse on

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that. >> I mean, >> yeah, I mean that makes sense to me, too. Um, >> yeah, >> the rest of the committee. >> I can I can I make a comment? >> Yeah, of course.

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>> Yeah, I was going to say I think um like incorporating the score as much as possible is awesome. Um I don't think we need to like highlight it too much. It's just I think it's kind of like you know how they want us to be referencing the

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master plan and referencing like the hazard mitigation plan and just like the relevant areas of the plan. Um so like the goal that's related like that our action plan goal that's related to recreation. I think it would definitely be prudent to use the scorp in that

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area. Um but yeah Christina that looks really good to me so far. I like your structure there. It's definitely more digestible and attainable. And I like the smart goals, like the the smart um like

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formula or um >> I was trying not to sign this up for too much because it's like, you know, that requires in order to be smart, it has to be like we're going to create a plan, right? How many things do we want to create over the next and like what's our

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timetable? So, Um, I tried to some things a little looser than I normally would in my day job, but um I Anyway, I just I haven't even posted it yet. So, I can email it out to everybody. I can do whatever it makes the most sense. I

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can send it to you Satie and you could you know post it on the website maybe and then folks could take a look at it and if we kind of would you know well anyway let's keep talking about it but that could be like a a good next step.

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>> Yeah I you can if whenever you feel like you want to send it to me I can definitely put it in the Google folder. Um and I know one of the things we wanted to discuss was the timing and the funding source categories. Um, and I was talking to Kristen today and she was

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saying that her and I could um address the funding source categories. Like we don't we don't necessarily know exactly what all of our funding sources are going to be for each item. It's its potential, but um she's very knowledgeable about what's out there and

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what could be applied to which area. Um, so she she suggested that we work on that in the coming weeks. Um, but yeah, she suggested I mentioned timing as well. She kind of had the thought of

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like I think Hudson's action plan said has them like each item is like has a designated year like it's year eight or year four or ongoing. Um, but that's kind of hard to I I mean

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maybe they had a system for determining that. I'm not sure. But um Kristen had the idea of just sectioning it out into like short, medium, longterm, which we might have discussed already, but um I think that might be the best approach. I don't know uh how you guys feel about

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that. But >> so short meaning like in years one >> like one to three >> or one to three, right? One to three could be the short term. >> Yep. >> Four to six could be the medium. And

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then like seven and seven plus could be longterm. And then there could also be the ongoing category. Um >> I think breaking it up into thirds like that makes it more digestible. Um but

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recognizing that medium and long may begin you know before Right. >> Yeah. in the sense >> I don't think I don't think >> we're gonna I don't I actually don't know if you can retroactively

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revoke approval of an OSRP but I think we can kind of you know do whatever we want with it once we've once we >> yeah it's I mean this is essentially just a straw man or highle road map of how we're going to proceed. Yeah.

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So, >> no, go ahead. >> No, I was just going to say I mean by putting them into the slots of near-term, medium, long-term uh we're essentially prioritizing, right? So,

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>> yeah. or or se or sequencing in a way that makes sense because like a a medium or long-term one could have dependencies on something in the short term. But

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>> well >> yeah in the plan that it said that you know that the whatever timelines we put in there should be like really flexible because if all of a sudden an opportunity could come up that we didn't anticipate it was a long-term goal but we should jump on it now or like we don't get any

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opportunities for a short-term goal so it ends up being longterm. So I'm feeling like we could just sort of ballpark this and it would be okay. >> Yeah, I would agree. I like the fact that if we do buy these three buckets and you know I don't know

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Christine um Christina the number of like how many do we have now 20 or so actual >> um so yeah three and seven is 10 18 >> more

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is 29 33 >> we're well down from the the 100 plus from the old one so like I mean If we're at 30, then it's 10 per time period. You know, that just seems like much more manageable.

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>> Yeah, that's true. >> Maybe we go I mean, should we just read through them right now and just decide short, medium, long, and maybe we decide to cancel some or I don't What do you think? >> I like to fit in this category. >> Cancel like >> cancel as in wipe it out like not

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include it. Well, if we decide like it's so long that we're never going to be able to do it in the year, you know, in the time period that we're living at. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I noticed that there's still a bunch of questions in here as a group we could make some decisions on real quick, too.

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I think further down I saw some questions. >> Okay. I mean, do we want to use our time like that? I also want to make sure when people review this, you know, not necessarily live right now, but when you do review it that everybody

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makes sure that like, you know, your reason for being on this committee is reflected here. >> Yeah, I think everybody has a little bit different areas of expertise or knowledge around the town and just to make sure that whatever that is is

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captured in the plan. That's kind of how I thought of it, too. >> I guess uh hi, by the way. Um it's Sean here. Uh I guess uh my observation would be that uh short, medium, and long-term

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uh when we're talking about that, we're talking about uh end goals, right? I mean that uh a shortterm goal starts the same day as a medium-term goal starts the same day as

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a long-term goal. They just end at a different point. Is that what we're talking about? >> That make sense? >> It it could be that, but it could also be that a medium one, depending on what it is, might not start

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right away. Right. I think we need to I mean wouldn't it be like our committees uh we would have to decide which ones are going to be you know the active or in progress ones and so you know yes some could that are

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farther out could be you know in a certain sense starting now but in a very light touch manner depending on what it is right >> uh I guess what I'm saying is there are certain goals that by their very nature

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are small, medium or large. And uh well uh the the question is when do there's you know when you look at the horizon of when we're going to actually

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get all this accomplished, >> right? uh you you might put a small term one off because you know it might take a year to get it started whatever and work on a medium-term one in the meantime s

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etc. Um, there's also >> Does it make sense to then I see what you're saying. So, should it make sense for like high priority things like the things that we want to get started on sooner versus medium priority which we maybe need to put off or we have to do something else that's high priority

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first before we can get to it. And then lower priority versus short, medium, long. I hear what you're saying that that those words can be confusing. What do you think is most descriptive? >> I guess that's what >> Yeah, go ahead, John. Sorry.

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>> Uh I I guess uh what I would was saying is uh recognizing that a goal is either small, medium or large depending on the the scope of the work involved essentially and that how they get organized is going to be

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more of a matter of priority like like you say. I like I do like that idea. So I mean you could have a large long-term goal that you want to start right away. That makes sense. Uh but likewise,

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you know, something that's uh a short-term goal. In other words, it's short in duration. Uh maybe you can put it off for a little while, whatever. Or maybe it's something you want to tackle right away. So those two things kind of have to go together.

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But that's what I mean. >> Yeah. >> You're talk you're talking about the size like the sizing of the effort, right? Like or the complexity, right? >> Right. Right. Yeah, I I was thinking Kristen also mentioned to me today that um just the just the order in which

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they're listed can be a way to organize them by priority. So I like we could we could do both. We could like list them and indicate somewhere that you know they're sorted in a particular way. um we could list them like the first objective under each goal is the highest

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priority for that goal and then you know lower down are not as pressing. And then you could also say like in the in the timing um column for each thing how long or like at what point it makes

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the most sense to start the task or you know talk about length of the task maybe. Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay. Uh Okay. Um >> yeah, is it it's a good interesting question. Is it when we want to start or

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when we want to finish? >> Right. >> I think organizing them in a kind of a priority order might make a lot of sense. Maybe to an outside reader, you know, that's not us too. Like this is what the committee is doing. This is what they're starting

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with kind of thing. And actually it in a way do I mean it's difficult to assess how long these things would take. That's another >> Yeah. >> Yeah. We don't really know the like the sizing or the level of effort, right?

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And they could vary greatly. >> And some stuff might be uh forever ongoing. You know what I mean? Constant. >> Yeah. >> Without a definitive timeline to it, you know, communication with town leadership, for example. We know that that's cyclical and that's always

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changing. So that will always, you know, be something that the committee's working with and on, you know. Okay. How do I guess the question I have is how do we get that across in this graph? I guess I'm okay with all of that

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really. >> I mean, I guess what I'm hearing is like years one to three are phase one, right? Or the short term coming up. Medium, years three to five are phase two.

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And the lower stuff or longer term five to seven is phase three that you can have a single item either be like phase one only or phase two one and two right to indicate that it's going to take longer duration but it's still high

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priority right so there's something along >> those lines >> you know so we could you know I don't it it all depends on how we want to >> oh okay >> these labels that you're putting in are great to we should just decide on one and I think I used phase we could use

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another word but >> yeah I I agree with it. I mean this is good discussion. I think that do our best to prioritize under each goal acknowledging that even multiple um objectives could be working

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concurrently within the same goal like you know I think I can't read it but it was like prioritize properties and then talk to um you know land conservation organizations we can do that at the same time we don't need to like get one all the way done then we can start the next

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step so as long as we get it close. >> Yeah. >> And then, you know, and and just try to scale it the timing appropriately, then I think that's the best we can do. Um the one thing I'm looking at long term, and maybe it's just me, I'm

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confused. Um Christina, you have 1:3, 3 to 5, 5 to 7. But isn't this a 10year plan? So, that should be >> Yeah, I couldn't remember. Is this a 10-year plan or sevenyear plan? I just had like I was just thinking >> I thought it was 10. >> It's 10 now. The approval will last 10 years. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Good. >> But we don't have to wait 10 years. Just saying. >> That's right. We want to do this again. We could do it again after. >> That's right. Start all over again. No,

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just kidding. >> Fresh piece of paper. Okay. >> All right. Is that better? 27 to 37. Yeah, >> I kind of like Jim. I like your could be the whole thing, right? I was just sort

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of testing this out. Identify and pursue funding sources. We're going to do that the whole time, >> right? I mean, and you know that in and of itself is ongoing, right? If we are doing all three phases. >> Oh yeah, that's true. We could just do that ongoing. Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Yeah. That was just my thought on and then I but I think you know anything phase one should be high up right indicating it is priority. Yeah, >> I guess >> I wonder maybe we should try to uh

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rather I mean prioritize and then talk about the duration >> rather than >> okay, >> you know, so it's like uh I don't know may I hate to put it on us because I'm not sure really how we would even

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estimate that but necessarily but >> maybe we have an idea. We we could certainly put it in there. And I guess my thought on this stuff is uh if we find out we're wrong, we can come back and fix this is this is not

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fixed in stone. So uh >> agreed. >> But we just guess, right? And uh >> yep. >> Yep. >> Guess uh what the duration is, prioritize, and then uh and of course the funding

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changes all the time. I mean, uh, every year it's different. Really? A lot of the stuff. >> Yeah. We'll keep that one ongoing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, do we want to move these around right now and prioritize them together

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as a team? >> Yeah. About to read them. >> I'm Can you There's three on the first one. >> Okay. That order probably makes sense for the first one. >> Yeah.

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>> Okay. >> I'll wait till everybody gives them on. >> Yeah. How do you want to rank rank these? Do you want us to do it and then get send it to Satie or should we >> Well, I think we just did it. So, we

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just got these three in order. We just prioritized them. >> Agreed. And then timing. >> Yeah. All right. Let's talk about it. >> Yeah. >> I feel like this is going to have to be fa like a I don't know how we want to say it. We haven't landed on it, but phase one, right? We got to do that

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soon. >> Yeah. It was that short. See, I almost feel like this is also phase one. >> This is what I'm afraid of. Everything's going to be number one. >> I know. I know. That's Yeah.

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>> Well, for the first one, I think that's Yeah, that's probably okay. But >> any more comments on the first goal? I I almost feel like goal one is just an ongoing thing from the get go. >> Yeah. >> And um

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>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. >> Can I just quickly ask on 13 there like is investigate a sustainable local source of funding? Is that going to point to CPA? Is that like or am I not

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>> So I took mention of CPA out of the action plan just because it seems like it's a >> a fire starter. >> Yeah. Y >> um but I actually I don't know because I don't know what the options are and our public survey said that people would be

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willing to for to take on a small tax increase. >> Yep. >> And I don't know that that has to be under the CPA. It could just be some other way. Um so that's why I left it open. I I talked to Kristen about that

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today, too, and she was saying and I I was like, "Yeah, we we're kind of worried about putting CPA language in the plan because it's very controversial and we've heard some outspoken citizens that are not in favor um from the survey and we have we need to honor that. But

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um we can investigate you know possible mechanisms doesn't have to be a CPA like basically like was saying Christina >> um like I think investigating

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or researching possible options is not controversial like I think um and it doesn't mean you know we're going to implement anything and we we also don't have control that we can we can advocate, but it's eventually it's

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ultimately a town meeting vote that would have to implement it that would be needed to implement it. So, um, >> are you okay with this these words? >> Well, maybe word smithing, not that we want to get into that because it'll be here forever, but just have it not be singular. Investigate sustainable local

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sources and mechanisms of fund or local sources of funding and mechanisms to support the goals, you know, or something like that. just so it's a little, you know, wider sounding. That's just my thought at the moment. >> I like it.

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>> Okay. >> Like it. Yeah. Good. >> Great. >> All right. And we're good. Like early ongoing early. >> Mhm. >> Okay. So, goal two has seven. So, this one might take a little Oh, and there's one

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that you can't see. And this is like getting new open spaces, protecting undeveloped and important open spaces. right, Bill? Everything's phase one. >> Bring it on. >> Well, it's tough because so many of these things go hand in hand with each

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other in this category. >> Yeah. you know, mine is like you just noted about the meetings uh with other uh town committees. >> Yeah, there's another one down below that talks a little bit more about like

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inter agency within the town of Newberry coordination. So, we move this one down there. I guess where do you say you could put cut paste that? >> Yeah. So this one down here is um maintain engagement with other municipal

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or with you know within the town to facilitate implementation and I just wonder if that would be better that goal would be better to be down here. Isn't that already in 51 kind of like or am I

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>> Yeah. And you know what? This one 55 is kind of the same thing. I was just like throwing in the last ones um before we got on the column. 55 might be the same as 51. >> Yes. So we could consolidate or merge those and then pull the one from section two

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down here to and you could say to support the above goals or to support the ongoing uh you know ongoing activity uh something along those lines. >> Oh you know what this is

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engagement with town departments. This one is outreach and education opportunities, but it also is to town departments. Okay. I almost >> were just looking at was more to about committees, wasn't it? Was it was like historic. >> It was about um the agricultural

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commission. It was like very specific. >> Different. >> Where' it go? I think they're all good objectives, too. I mean, >> right, >> that we should include those in our action plan. >> So, I'm actually

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>> Maybe we grab this one and we'll move it down and then we'll come back and we'll prioritize >> because it is a little got a little different flavor to it. And then we'll just keep this one reaching out to all the departments and boards. Okay.

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>> Right. >> So, we move we at least made this a little bit more simple. So, now let's see. How do we feel about the prioritization? I almost feel like I would put town properties above reaching out to land trust because I feel like we want to

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know this 21 and we want to know 22 before we get to 23 to or sorry, before we get to this one, >> right? Yep. Yeah, two 21 is kind of handled by the maps that Abby and her team from Green

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Belt did a little bit. >> I mean, yeah, if we just want to adopt their ranking, then Yep. which y'all are the professionals, so it seems like I don't know that we could come up with anything better. I I am not smart

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enough to write a computer script that does what they did. So I I will happily piggyback on on their work. >> I mean our output for this can say we're going to partner with Essex County Green Belt and

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take on their prioritizations. That could be a check. >> Yeah. And we could keep it more uh generic with with like land trust too. Um, you know, we don't know what maybe like an Ottabon or trustees uh might be able to bring to the table there as well, but I know that we don't have the

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resources in town to do what Green Belt did, you know, for this plan. So, it would have to be an outside collaboration. MVPC maybe. I think we'd have to feed them a lot of that information for them to generate it. Um whereas I guess what what Abby and

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Becker are doing it's it's the same criteria town to town all over the county. It's not, you know, ne necessarily tweaked for every individual town minus if no data is there for that town like our we didn't have any heat island stuff, you

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know. >> Do we I mean if we put that specifically in the plan, do we need sign up or like I mean the work seem like it's already been done. It's >> just like we can't say, "Yeah, we're just going to have Green Screen Belt make our

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list for us. Maybe >> how about we just say in is this what you're thinking that in collaboration with local land trusts? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> We have a resource currently that's in the plan, but we could be working with

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others to add to that outside of just, you know, one organization. >> Yeah. We could go to trustees and see what they've got going on. >> Yep. >> Especially with all their marsh work and everything else, you know, leading the way in that stuff. that's, you know, a whole other aspect uh that could potentially get incorporated down the

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road. >> So, how do we feel then about the bottom four? Well, I think the last three are just like kind of it's an ongoing thing and it doesn't really matter. They're all the same. >> Yeah, they're ongoing.

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>> They're all Yeah, it's all kind of the same. So, it doesn't really matter last three what the order is? >> Sadi, do open space developments automatically require public access or does that still have to be negotiated in one of those? Um,

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I think I think open space residential subdivisions that aren't in the MBTA district, they're all public. The open space is public. Um

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I it was I'm not sure how how it works within the MBTA districts, but I think cuz there was one 34 central that has open space and uh a trail, but it's it's going to be private for the

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new um what's it called? Like a the big development, the big u multif family housing project. Um, so I think it depends on the zone. >> Um, but I think in in um residential

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agricultural zone it's it's public. So we're pretty good with this prioritization then because they're all some of them are all ongoing at the bottom. >> I am. Yep. >> Okay. Cool. Pull through eight things.

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Okay, this was a Scorpion. We can take this one out if it doesn't resonate. Um, but I thought it might help us just to put it in there. So 36 and 31 are different. >> So 31 and I'm going to maybe add this

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I'll add some words. Um, trail extension, parking, educational, kiosk area. So, this one was, do we have some

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existing open spaces that could be enhanced by leveraging a town owned property that happens to be nearby like at or nearby? And then this one was someone had written that we need to develop a management plan for

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town owned conservation and otherwise protected open space areas. So it's these are conservation areas versus just like town owned properties. >> Gotcha. I'm Yeah, I see I'm seeing the difference now.

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>> Uh just a point there's a typo in 31. Uh, it says that are have potential. It probably should be that are or that have one or the other. >> Thank you. Yes. >> Feel like 32 would go under 36. like the

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management plan would influence that summary of barriers, you know, would come out of maybe developing a management plan. >> Yep. >> So, it's interesting. Let's talk about this one. This is a summary of barriers

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on any of the land that is like open space that people are using. So, it's even like sending a list to Green Belt about like some barriers that we're hearing from the from the people that live in

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Newberry or the trustees that like have a barrier. It was kind of based on the survey results where people had noted what their barriers were. >> So, not specific to town owned, >> right, >> properties. Okay. >> To enjoy existing open spaces. Maybe

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I'll I'll clarify that. >> Maybe uh throughout the town or something. >> Town owned and >> land trust. I don't remember. Yeah. >> I don't know. Is there anything that's privately owned that's existing open

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spaces? Yeah. Right. Because didn't we just say that there's some private lands that are getting developed that have open space? Or do they deed those rights to the town? >> Yes. >> Um, when you were just talking about subdivisions and they have to have some

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public open space, >> does the town own that land or do they just have the rights and it's actually privately owned? I think the second >> Yeah, I I would say it could go both ways. Sometimes that open space can get

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assigned, right? Like we've ended up owning open space in certain developments like Scotland Woods down the end of my street here. We're the open space fee owner there, but it was set aside as part of that development.

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But then we have a situation like um Caldwell Farms where they own the open space but public access is guaranteed essentially you know but they're the land owner >> but there but the but the open space was restricted and in the restriction it it

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it required public access. >> All right. So how about this? We'll summarize that all by town owned and non-towned. >> Yeah. So it could it could go either way depending on the situation. >> Okay. which doesn't >> that's why it says we're going to share

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the information that we gathered with the appropriate stewards of those properties. We'll share it with green belt or trustees or Calwell Farms. >> Yeah, Calwell might have been negotiated that the town was going to handle trail development and all that stuff too. that

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I can't exactly remember how that was written when we when Kristen and I looked through all that stuff, but they can all be tailored specifically to the situation. >> But a private property could have a conservation easement on it and Essex

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Green Belt would hold that easement, right? They'd enforce it even though it's still privately owned. And that could be open to the public. >> It could be open to the public, but it's not it's not guaranteed that it would have public access. A lot of times if there's an existing trail system that's been used for a long time, it'll that'll

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get incorporated, you know, a as a recognition in the restriction um to continue it, you know, to continue allowing that. >> Mhm. >> But as a private land owner, if that's not guaranteed in the restriction, you would have the choice to allow public

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access or or not. >> Yeah. >> So that's I mean it's it's they're very case by case. to use my predecessor's favorite term. >> I feel like this map existing open space trails to identify gaps should be

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earlier. >> Yeah, I would agree. >> Like I want to do it before I do the barriers. The barriers is just kind of more like >> might identify barriers >> like connectivity and stuff like that, you know.

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And this was in there. So support the border to Boston trail development. I wasn't really sure like I don't have a develop I don't have a specific and measurable thing. So um if anybody has any thoughts on how to reword that we don't have to do it now but think about

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it when you're reviewing later. I mean the trail development they're they're in one segment the north part is in feas early feasibility and the south segment is in still in design.

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So um >> yeah they're in different phases of development. Some are a little early. >> Yeah. So, I think I mean, if we're saying development, I think it it's fine to leave the word development, but I >> I don't know if it has to be in the first uh

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>> um it might that might be a candidate for being in phase two. >> Yep. >> Just knowing it. >> Well, I was thinking that we would support them like right now, like whatever the processes are that are going on right now as they're kind of developing the feasibility studies and

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the engineering designs. That's where I was actually thinking that we should stay plugged in. >> Yeah. You would we could you you could put it ongoing. It's fine. Yeah. >> Section in there where it's more generic just support

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uh the effort to create and manage trails or something. I thought I saw that. But maybe when in your version you changed it. It's bordered about some of them. Anyway, well, we can leave it loose for

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now. Any other changes in priority? Mike, were you saying the development and management plan number that Yep. That line should go ahead of the barriers.

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>> Um I I was originally thinking that until we fleshed out that barriers um >> line there. >> Yep. >> I was thinking the management plan might identify that stuff, but I I was thinking town specific. I wasn't

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thinking um you know all land owners in in town when I first read it. >> Okay. >> Do we want the barriers up high here? You know, again, I was trying to pull this from the public survey and the barriers that people listed, but it

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doesn't have to be at the top priority. It could just be on the list. We could move it all the way down. No, one of those things that we just do. It's ongoing. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> I have David Powell in my ear, you know, about Great Meadow and some of these,

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you know, town properties that the towns owned for a while and, you know, purchased or was left or whatever and nothing got done with them or they never got fully utilized or developed for their potential. So, you know, I think it's important to

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>> All right, we'll leave it up there. >> Yeah. >> Uh, Boris to Boston, it seems, could fit in with 3.2. Maybe combine those. >> The mapping existing public open space trails. >> Yeah. I mean, isn't that what we're doing?

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>> It is kind of a linkage. That's a good point, Ch. >> Um, so this is a mapping exercise. Yep. I agree. And so we can make this broader. Um >> it was like just a mapping exercise to

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help us >> and this one is like actually being part of the group that's making this happen. >> In a way, it's already mapped out for us, but uh Right. >> Say it again.

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>> In a way, it's already mapped out for us. But uh >> I I kind of I don't know. I don't want to get too uh uh imaginative here, but I can certainly imagine uh offshoots from

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the Borders to Boston Trail in a lot of different ways. But all right. >> I mean, Sean, I think you could, like you're saying, I think couldn't it be on that last part of 32 that it says potential future trail connection

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linkage projects, >> right? >> Including the border Boston Trail, you know, right? >> I know it there's more to it where we're Christina, you're saying support the broader efforts, you know, but >> and it would get rid of a whole item

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here. Exactly. And on top of that, I mean, the border to Boston is a committee, so we could put it down in the committee stuff. >> Yeah. >> So, just kind of, you know, Yeah. >> Yeah. I like that. I just >> Okay. I like it. Um

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because like objectives are like a lot more like narrow, specific, shortterm, and they're and they're measurable steps to get accomplished the goal. just supporting is not really a measurable thing. So if you incorporate in the way that we're doing it and that's kind of a general comment when I was reading this

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I was thinking more goals objectives you know and so and objectives are measurable. So just kind of generically supporting this thing isn't necessarily I don't it we could write it a little bit more strongly I guess that's all. >> All right I'm good with taking it out or

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we'll just you know we just have that reference up there. So >> yeah. Um, all right. We're down to We have We We did the first three. Let's do the last three. And this is like the community outreach. We can call it whatever we want, but that's the frame of mind we're thinking

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of. I'm feeling that this needs to go down because we're not there yet. I feel like first we could maybe identify properties, create a map, disseminate information,

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and I'll see how that looks. Oh, okay. Uh 4.1. I know it's already pretty wordy, but uh again, just uh channeling David again. Um maybe add something about uh

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uh well uh mosquito uh and uh mosquito and me mosquito green head and tick infestations in various incendry areas. >> Yeah,

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maybe um maybe we put that up here. So including like for example info on the floor of water quality um natural hazards. >> Yeah natural hazards pest whatever I don't know what >> plants insects

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>> is probably a delicate way to put it but yeah >> quick question on 44. So the the status of town or what do we mean by status there? Are we talking about >> um >> I'm not sure who wrote this.

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>> Yeah. Now, I just wonder if it's overlapping with awareness of like is it conditions of the trails because I know we talked about that at one point versus >> I think I think it was like yeah

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condition um and I think it was like >> I don't know something that >> what like what we want to do with them like what we what the town or what the committ has in mind for that.

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Um >> like improvements you mean or >> Yeah, like the status like this. There used to be a like it could be too super like you know um like like you know abstract like there used to be a trail here. It's kind of

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overgrown. Not really you like like just kind of um address or assessing got >> possibilities and potential of of the of a property. And how often do we think that would change? Like how many times would we update that in the course of 10 years?

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Like every five years? >> Yeah, like maybe once once at the start, once in the middle of our time, and then once at the end. >> What if we said >> or like update it periodically? Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Like as needed, right? Because like I I'll keep going back to like the Caldwell example. It was like 20 years from when the open space got set aside there to when a trail got opened up. >> Right. >> So like I'm sure David there were a lot

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of people in town that you know didn't forget about that and kept wondering like when when when you know what I mean? So just thinking of a a specific example now it's open. There's signage there. There's a place to pull over and park. There's a trail, you know, so it's

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like completed, you know, and making that known to the public, I guess. And what other things like that, you know, are around and either need to be improved or have been and, you know, are now,

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I hate to say available because they were always available, but um um more user friendly, more I don't know if I'm blanking on the right word there, but I think >> know what I'm saying. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> Was this one, Satie, specifically for town-owned lands or like in the case of Caldwell Farms, is it not also non-towned? I think we could include nontowned since the town can

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>> since sometimes there's like not town-owned land that is open to the public and can be used by >> Okay. >> like can be improved by the committee in some way. >> Just public, it's probably fine, >> right?

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>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, in that in in that instance, it was the town that was charged with, you know, implementing and developing the trail system there, even though it was privately owned. >> So, >> all right. Any other changes to the

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prioritization of one through six? If not, >> can I I'm sorry. Before we move on, any chance we can move four six up a bit? Uh I'm not sure where we would put it, but it seems like uh >> yeah, >> part of

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I mean almost seems like that's the whole point of this section in a way, but um >> yeah, how about that? Once we create a map, then we can like hand it out to people when we're out there, >> right? Something like that. Um because

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>> how about that? >> Okay, sure. That's great. Thank you. >> Want it higher? >> Okay. No, that's that's fine. Great. >> All right. Second to last one.

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Top five here. Let's look at these. The assumption in 51 is that the recck committee is part of us or kind of attached. I didn't know if we should be calling them out or

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they're they're part I mean we have it in the second one so I guess it's not necessary. >> Yeah. So like it's like we either add it here or we add them here, >> right? Exactly. Yeah. >> Or or just change the wording to not

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reference OSC but the OSRP instead. >> Yeah, good point. >> Yeah, I like that. >> That includes it. >> Then we'll be silent on this. >> Yeah, good. >> Good. Oh, and it fits with that one, too.

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Good. So, is 5.5 kind of redundant with u what we just uh did in goal four. I miss. >> Which one is it?

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>> Five. >> Which one is it similar to? >> I'm thinking uh it's almost the same as what we just did in four. Uh I forget where we moved it, but I think it's fourth three or something. Basically, uh outreach to people. Uh well, I mean all

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this stuff here. Enhance community awareness. Obviously the town uh committees etc will be included in that I would assume. Uh >> so this is public outreach. So maybe we

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just say that public outreach >> and then this is town office outreach, municipal offices outreach. >> Yeah, I think 51 and then the last one in five is very similar. So we need you

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scroll down so I can see it. We we meet annually with town committees, but then we establish a schedule of outreach town boards and committees. Isn't that's kind of the same thing >> you could to identify initiatives and

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establish education. >> Yeah, educate. Exactly. Um, that sounds too condescending. So, I'll find a different way to say that. I did it. Right. We >> don't expect you to do this on the

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forum. I don't really know what this means other than like that's exactly what I'm talking about with objectives is like that's very nebulous. It's like that's there's no measurable thing that reaching just let like 10 years from now are they gonna be

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like okay so demonstrate how you support it right? I don't know. Maybe I I think it's >> Can we take out the like um water quality things? Parker River support Parker River Clean Water Association, Five Rivers Land Trust. This is water-based recreation.

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And so this one is support other local nonprofit. It's just like support anybody or like encourage. >> Well, it could be a little more concrete. Hi, I know in the borders to Boston committee uh me and Sid are

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actually uh we sit in on the coastal trails commission meetings uh as kind of a formal not really formal but an informal thing >> sort of a form of partnership. I mean >> right uh I guess encourage uh outreach

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to partner groups something like that maybe if we could fit that in there somewhere. much aware of it. Uh or uh >> I don't know how you're right though. I mean, how do you how do you judge whether we're attaining that goal or not? Um

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>> yeah, encourage is a tough one to be smart on. >> Yeah. How about identify other local, nonprofit, public, private groups and establish >> or how about

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>> we could >> I'm sorry. We what we could do is we could report on established partner relationships with town committees etc. around certain issues. We could do that. Certainly, that's doable.

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>> I mean, is this is like other identify other? I don't really know other from what other than the ones that we already mentioned here or maybe just other. Okay. Identify local nonprofit public private groups working toward preservation of

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and >> part or what about partner with local nonprofit to but I I guess measure that that would be how do you measure it? >> I think it's like

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>> and reach out to them at least once. >> Yes. But uh you know at some point we're going to redo this OSRP thing. So certainly reporting on you know what our connections are with all these groups are isn't such a bad goal. Uh

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it's liable to happen anyways though. But um yeah >> I think this one is measurable. We can identify and reach out to groups. Doesn't say what we're going to do but at least it says we're going to do something. That's what I rewarded the 5.1. I said

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identify initiatives that could So I don't know I was trying to get something measurable by doing that. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> We said we ident we worked with this group and we identified that we can collaborate on this or we supported this I guess. >> Okay.

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>> Very good. >> All right. Last one in goal five. I'm not sure where this one came from, but it seems like a good one. I was just Oh, and I dropped it in though. Okay, so I wo in Department of Public Works in order to make it work in this section of

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like working with the town offices, but it was really written originally. I'm not sure Satie if you wrote this one about mass DOT engineering directives or somebody added it in and it seemed like a good reference. I was just trying to find a place for it. Uh, Sadi, you have any idea on that what

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90 section 2A of this mass dot is? >> I don't. >> This definitely came out of the '08 plan. And I think it had a lot to do with access out to Plum Island. You know, that there was no >> Oh, >> there was no designated bike lane going

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out. There were no bike lanes anywhere. Rail trails were very much in their infancy at that time. Connectivity didn't exist. And I think that was like my recollection, you know, it was kind of like helping to push for that and and plan

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for that. I think >> there are >> okay >> plenty of good existing situations today, including the border to Boston, you know, trail initiatives that are happening. Um, so I don't know I don't want to say that it's not relevant

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anymore, but I don't know if if it's worded the right way that that we might want it to to read today. That's a good point because uh the uh resiliency plan for Plum Island does include

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uh bike access, special lanes and all that uh including around that new rotary they're envisioning and so on. Um, >> so do if this is like tailored towards Plum Island, do we want to take that on

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like in the next 10 years? Do we want our group to put some effort towards that >> or is there are there other state roads that we think that we might want to use these resources to advance the ball?

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I I know that we're all linked, but like part of me feels like that's more of a planning board kind of thing with roadways and and stuff like that more so than a whereas like border of Boston and stuff like that, you know, can be on an

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off-road and, you know, there could be real open space, you know, committee aspects to that. Um, I don't know that that's just my initial thinking with reading this. Would anybody be opposed to taking this out?

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>> No. >> Yeah, I think it's a good thing to have like it's a goal. Is it attainable, >> right, >> in the next few years for us that's uh there's a lot on here. >> If we didn't do that, that that would be we could put all our time into is that

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kind of stuff, >> right? Uh we could change the wording so it's not as specific. We could uh talk about um uh just um in a general sense uh

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conforming to uh state of Massachusetts and other >> how about we don't even how about we take out the state stuff. I like wording it. Why don't we take it out and just talk about accommodating bikes and pedestrians? >> I agree. like uh you know we've worked

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with other communities DPWs to just have a crosswalk installed to make a connection to an open space area you know from maybe there was parking somewhere across the street or or whatever you know could because it's both bicycle and pedestrian accommodation. So yeah I think I think

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having the DPW in there as one of our municipal you know engagement things here makes sense. Uh, and we could leave it a little broad so it could kind of cover many things that could could come down the the road related to our open space efforts.

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>> Yeah. >> You know, >> yeah. Um, you know, DPW installed the parking for Caldwell. Um, you know, and maybe eventually there's a sidewalk that takes you there, right? and and that you know maybe we can influence something

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like that you know uh that access to the to existing open space. >> Yeah. Uh they changed the whole uh route one rotary there to accommodate rail trail 2 access >> part. >> Yeah that's right. >> So >> all right. How do you like the new words?

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>> That's good. I like leading with >> elaborating with them. >> Okay. >> Do we need to say the planning department anywhere or is that just implied? Well, I think you know we we didn't get into all the um >> the categories on the right there you

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know >> right okay you're right yeah >> could be combo open space and planning right you know like >> right >> might bring the >> um >> I don't know the process you know the correct process to to to implementing

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something like that and we might be bringing the you know we need this for x open space and wreck you Yeah, we're kind of within the planning department in a way. >> Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

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>> Actually, we are. I think >> all right. Oh, any more refinements to the pri this order? >> I think it's good. >> I like it. >> Good. It's >> getting there. Okay.

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>> All right. Last one. Four of them. Woo. >> And again, we can also to take this one out. We can refine it. This was the one that I was like a little unsure of. It was about meeting Newberry's current and future outdoor recreation needs, whereas the other ones kind of focused a little

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bit more on open space, which is also recreation. So, just keep that in the back of your mind. I guess I should uh speak out about climate change here because that that's where this would fit in. I suppose

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>> beach management plan and climate resiliency or something like that. Yeah, that would be great. >> How about that? Good ad. >> Yeah. >> Um, so this one is develop I wasn't sure

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if it's develop more accessible open space user resources. I would like to reword this a little bit or if it was like develop more accessible as in those two words go together. So, um

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this kind of actually 6.2 two kind of goes with the one that's right above a Scorp opportunities for a wide demographic to enjoy protected natural resources. That's kind of seems like it says the

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same thing. And that was maintain or enhance Newberry's public open spaces. >> Yeah, you could put it in there. >> Do we want to keep both or take some out? Uh you could put ADA

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or uh well >> yeah I think you could combine them but I do see the difference there and I just think of like some friends and stuff that have kids that are you know they're handicapped and I've talked to them about

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>> access to boat ramps and things like that. So different demographics is pretty broad. I think this is the ADA and compliance thing is important. >> So why don't we take what that element of this and we put it up in the

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enhancement section. >> Yeah, makes sense. >> Yeah, sure. >> Sure. create opportunities for a wide demographic to enjoy protected natural resources in areas including

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um various age groups because also Newberry is getting old. We've got sort of that older and then we want younger and then we want people with lots of you know a wide variety of physical adaptations. Yep. >> I'm not going to be able to create those

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words right here live. So, just know that we're gonna have to come up with this one. >> Yeah. Accessibility of, you know. Yeah. >> Yep. >> Yeah. I think accessibility is probably the word to >> It covers a lot, you know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And it doesn't and it doesn't bind

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you to an ADA compliant situation if if unless that's what you're actually trying to do. You know, if you say ADA, it's got to be ADA, right? >> Yeah. >> You know, but if it's accessible or more accessible or increasing accessibility, that can be a lot of different things.

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that can be, you know, a gentle trail, not a, you know, um, legit, you know, paved full-blown, you know, mobility device kind of thing, you know. Um, just I think it just leaves it a little open.

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>> Yep. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's good. Agree. That is good. >> Really good. All right. So, we'll take this one out. Now, we're down to three. I don't know if you're going to get different owners

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to agree to consistent signage. >> I wasn't sure what this meant I but I assumed I added the parenthesis and I can take it out so whoever owns this one if we want to refine this as needed. Well,

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>> a a good goal would be to get increased signage for sure. uh consistent would be good, but um it seems like an an additional

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>> So that's under is do we have this already covered? It's a good point. So if we're enhancing existing spaces, if there's a barrier including signage >> Oh, there we go. >> Maybe this is already covered under this

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enhancement. >> Yeah, >> you could certainly >> And it's working with the appropriate stewards. So whoever manages. >> Uh you could put consistent signage or something along those lines. just to add that little bit.

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>> Maybe we leave it open. I do agree with Mike that it's going to be a hard cell. >> Okay, so we can take this one out. >> Yep. >> Yeah. >> And then there were two. >> Yeah.

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>> And and you know, part of two kind of falls under Increased accessibility as well can fall under that kind of heading. >> Yeah. >> Like for example, we worked with the

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city of Gloucester to get their Cape transportation authority to we installed signs at at properties so that they could be bus drop off points. people that might not have vehicles, might not have bikes, might not live close by to a place to recreate or enjoy

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nature. Um, not that we have that situation, you know, that that um that service necessarily in town here, but that was an example of how we tried to um create more equitable access in one community.

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Uh, >> parking would be a >> Well, yeah, parking too. to look at. Um, >> yeah, >> I almost think that most of that goal five there >> is already >> should sort of already be in everything

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else. Yeah, >> I not sure why we really need to break it out separately. >> All right. So, I do feel like this is covered then we it's a wide demographic. It's sort of a broad brush above, but that does cover this one. Does anyone

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feel strongly we should keep this one here 6.2 or do we feel like it's covered? >> Um I am thinking about it a little bit. Um,

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making making natural areas protected natural areas in Newbury accessible for age groups various age groups various abilities. I think that's

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a little bit smaller scale than um work with neighboring towns to provide better access to Newber's natural um protected natural areas. I think that's going to be

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a process that we need to address and and begin, but I think it's going to be a diff different than what that other upper item is saying. And I think mentioning that is important

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because I feel like all the comments I've gotten from like K and just um she's always gone like you know talk about you know how Newbury fits into

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surrounding envir like in surrounding towns like talk about open spaces that are shared between towns like just constantly like asking for more information about ways that Newbury collaborates with neighboring towns and like

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provides those opportunities for you know populations outside of Newbury. I think I think we should have something talking about regional access. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I like that too.

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>> She does. Go ahead. Go Sean. So how do you access these resources is one thing and and also as part of the outreach, you know, reaching out to regional

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partners to let them know that this is something people can access and how to do it, that kind of thing. And no harm, of course. And uh it would be nice if MEVA, you know, had a convenient bus stop somewhere that

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people could take advantage of or whatever. I wonder if this >> I do wonder if 62 should collaboration with neighboring communities and regional partners to address Sadi some of what you just said around

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because Kay's comments it wasn't just about recreation equity and underserved populations. It was kind of it was like shared resources even, right?

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>> Um shared properties, >> right? Yeah. Like >> shared open space. So >> the great marsh is is totally a perfect example. Um >> that's Yes. >> Um but I I just feel like they're going to

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be looking for that the >> Yeah. So maybe I mean this could be just stay and it's kind of I mean in terms of having it truly be measurable in a smart sense I don't know but um >> to you know so it could where it says

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regional partners to address um shared or or I'm I'm not sure what the words are something beyond rec that's what you just said like an example of the great marsh or other shared open spaces

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>> uh maybe address and promote >> Yeah. >> regionally, you know, what's available over there? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Does this last one So, okay, we'll keep

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that one. Does this last one or the 61 really, it's management plans for town owned active recreation areas, including a beach management plan? Again, I get like a little nervous because I know that the direct committee has a master plan

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enhance review them make a list of parcels map summary create opportunities ities. I almost feel like that one could go Oh, develop a management plan. So, we already have this one. >> Yeah. And my brain's doing the same

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thing. This one's for conservation and the one in six for rec is for recreation. >> My brain's doing the same. But I mean, we can we can incorporate them together, you know, if we're trying to eliminate six, like, you know, if if six can get

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flipped into these other categories, you know, cuz otherwise all we're going to have is the is the um um neighboring communities line in six. You know what I mean? We if we pull the

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management plan for wreck up into the conservation, we'll only have Yeah. 62 down here. Does that make sense? I was >> thinking that maybe we move 62 up. >> Yeah. Right. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

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>> Maybe we should >> Oh, sorry. >> to the other one. >> Add resiliency as well. just to put it in there. Climate resiliency. >> So, conservation, recreation, climate resiliency, and other stuff.

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>> And, you know, going off your rec committee comment, it's not a bad thing that they they have a completed plan for Central Street. That's that's a check on the box there. That's one done, right? That they >> done and that they work with and you know what I mean? and it's good and you

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know they have their process for updating it and you know working within its framework. >> Okay. And I will acknowledge I took out the A it's not a management plan. It's like however many we need for conservation land, recreation lands,

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otherwise lands. >> Okay. >> Good. In one sense, I liked saying including the beach management plan, but in a way I kind of think, >> you know, it emphasizes that as as something different, which

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I don't know. I wonder if it really is, but >> yeah, we can take it right out. Um, whoever put it in there, if they're on the phone, do they have a strong feeling about it?

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We do have water water-based recreation improve access to water-based recreation areas, >> but that's not a beach management plan, but it is access but not actually beach as in the sand. I'm actually not sure what that

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means, but uh because my my suspicion is uh I don't I I actually don't know what that means. It doesn't make really a lot of sense to me, but um I can imagine

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what it might mean like no dogs on the beach kind of thing, but I don't think that belongs in this plan necessarily. Um >> everybody okay with that? Yep. >> I think that was an '08 carryover as

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well, too. >> Okay. >> And the dogs on the beach could be a barrier one, >> right? >> Yep. >> Yeah. After that and the other one, >> you know, then >> So, we just got rid of this whole thing.

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>> Yep. >> Well done, you guys. We just wrote we just refined the whole action plan in an hour and a half. Less than an hour and a half. >> Well, you you wrote it. So, >> yeah, >> that's great. >> No, I didn't repackage it.

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>> Well, I don't know. >> That was awesome. Okay, you did a good job. >> Thank you. >> That was awesome. Satie, I'm gonna send you this version to post so people can make any final comments because I know it's hard to really review it live. >> All right. And then maybe you and

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Kristen can work on the lead support or um the other three columns. >> Yeah, that sounds good. So for So they're all organized with the first one as the top priority, the first one in each goal.

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>> Yeah, >> I think that's where we landed >> pretty much. >> More more or less. >> They're going to be a lot of ties. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And then timing. We like the phase phase one, phase two, phase three ongoing system.

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>> That was my favorite one out of all the options that we talked about. That was my favorite one. >> As long as we have the key there, you know, showing the years, I think it's makes sense. >> Cool. >> I'm going to delete all these then.

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Okay, everybody okay with that? Okay. >> Yep. >> Yes. >> Awesome. I'm gonna stop sharing because that and again, make sure everybody when you review it, you make sure that whatever

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you're passionate about is included. >> So, um, one other thing that we kind of touched on was ensuring that the survey results are incorporated in the action plan. I know you looked at that again, Christina, and I saw some notes that you

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sent to Satie. Um, I guess that maybe how do everybody feel about that? Or maybe do we want to take another stab at it? Or I guess in your review, Christina, how how' you feel were they incorporated appropriately?

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So, when I reviewed Sadi's good summary of the results of the surveys, I pulled out the ones that were sort of overwhelming. Like the results were, oh gosh, of this question, everybody was sort of like on board with this. I kind of grabbed the top answers of things

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that could be rolled into an action plan. Not like I do it for mental health, right? Like those results just didn't feed into the action plan. and just kind of informed the narrative before the action plan.

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Um, the high the things that I came up with I think are in here. There actually was like no additional variety of recreation activities are required except for tennis somehow. It

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was like just more of more playgrounds, more trails and more tennis. um contributors to scenic and rural qual quality is trees and forest, bodies of natural water and open landscapes. So in

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terms of the things that we want to protect undeveloped important open spaces, I didn't necessarily list out those words, but I felt like the essence of protecting those

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um actually, you know what I'll do? I'm going to even change one is uh I'm going to say protecting with open space resources with conservation scenic or recreation value. So I will add in the word scenic.

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So if anyone thinks of an action that we could refine to include any of those words the contribute contributors to scenic or rural quality feel free to say something. The top three barriers to access open spaces that directly fed into we let's make a

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list of the barriers. How do they find out about open spaces? I wasn't that worried about that. They mostly find out about conservation organizations but they didn't ask for anything in that one but they did later. The highest priority for recreation

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focused activities was marking of the hiking trails and creating a hiking trail guide book. The only thing I didn't put in I would say is a develop feebased summer programs for elementary school children.

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And this I think was the question that the rec department added in to the survey. So I didn't put it in here, but it was a top answer. We could use that as a talking point when we go back to the recreation department and say we didn't include

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this in our action plan, but you all had identified it and so we'll leave it with you or do we want to add something in here? So it was like education. Does it fall? Is it something that could be folded into our outreach and education action

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item or is it >> Yeah. Enhance community awareness, involvement, and stewardship. Support the rec department in their creation of feebased summer programs for elementary school children. Um,

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no supporting. >> So, it must be independent of the school system because like there is a summer-based feebased camp program through the school, but it was different when when I was a

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kid. It was like a recreational camp in town like throughout the summer that you could just drop in and drop out of. You didn't have to like sign up for a week and go for a full week. You could just show up on Monday, come back on Friday, whatever it was. So, it was it was kind of like a rolling program when I was

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growing up. H is that something that the open space and recreation plan and that like we want to tackle? >> I'm kind of struggling with the how relative it is to open space in the town. It seems more of a wreck

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department >> initiatives. >> I agree. So, we could raise that point next time we talk to them. >> Yeah. Okay. This is something wants, but it's a little bit outside the scope of the plan. that might fall under their um

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uh when they when they talked about having like a like a full-time like wreck person like on staff of the town, you know, that could be something that ends up like if that position ever got created, >> recreation manager, whatever they they they called that when we met with them.

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>> I would think. So yeah, let's leave it out then for now for the action plan and we'll we'll raise it with them when we're chatting with them to make sure that they're aware of those results again, which I think we did already tell them that, but we'll tell them again. So that covers that item for the um

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survey results incorporated. I feel pretty good that they're reasonably incorporated. >> Okay, good. Well, thanks everybody. thinks Christina did a really good job leading that and taking the initiative to really

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do a good job and pull all that apart and reorganize it. Um, we have had some discussions about an action plan map. Um, it is on our agenda. Um, I think Satie asked if you could maybe pull a

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map, generic map, maybe was Mike's map. If we have if everybody's up for it still and want to keep plugging away, we could discuss about developing this map. I think what it would be like if you look at the Hudson plan, there's a really good example of what they did.

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Essentially, they have a map with callouts pointing to specific areas describing potential action action item projects or areas that could be further developed. Um,

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so we could if it people have it. I mean, I think this is something that the committee all said that we wanted to include in our in in in the plan. >> Is that one of the required it might be one of the required maps too, right?

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>> I think it is. >> I'm not sure if it was required. I thought I read that it was optional but recommended. >> Okay. I remember saying that like having conversations that we would do this, but like we just finished going through the action plan and we did not identify one

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specific area that we were going to focus on because we're we're so far at the beginning. >> Yeah, >> we haven't even gotten there yet. So maybe we should make it a goal.

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Anyway, I'm having trouble envisioning what that map would show based on the action plan that we just went through. >> When I initially looked at this and I was in my head building this plan and looking at Hudson's, I'm like, okay, I love how they did that. We can do that,

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too. When I saw that map, I was like, that map's great, but what would we put on it? And I'm looking at this section seven right now. I don't see anything about required map unless maybe it says it some other place in the workbook that

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I'm missing. Um I mean we 08910 plan. There was one with call outs. Trying to like look through this uh shared drive to see if I can find it. >> I'd be interested to see um how many of

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those were completed. >> Yeah. I mean like borders to Boston. Maybe that would be a cool one. >> Yeah, that because that's tangible. We could identify that, right? Because we at least know where one portion of it's

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going to get laid out. >> I think improved beach access and signage. That could be one. There's been talk about Isn't there been talk about town parking out there, too? on the beach.

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>> Yeah, I thought there was a lot of town own land. >> Yeah, >> yeah, that was David. >> Yeah, >> wanted that. Yep. >> Thought we sold all that, but I don't know. >> Yeah,

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we go as far as surflining. I actually never go to the beach, so I don't know. >> Right. So, border to Boston was one of them. Uh, we just said what? Beach >> access and >> access.

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>> Signage. >> Should we put it as an objective though or add it into an objective >> that we a fleshed out one and we could put it like in, you know, have it by phase two or something? I don't know because it it seems like it would be a little skimpy.

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Yeah, >> unless we, you know, put a qualifier around it saying >> I mean, I'm good with that. That's kind of what I was thinking in the beginning because I just didn't know what else like >> we don't even have funding sources. Like there's like there could be like some

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private lots or lands that we want to like that abut townland that could create like uh corridors or we want to prove aquatic corridors or but I mean without even we're just getting warmed up I think to come up and put some lofty

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goals in there would be I don't know be difficult. Why don't we put an objective that that says we'll have an action plan map for the next iteration? >> Well, you'd think a lot of our objectives would would influence that development as we work through them.

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>> Exactly. you know, just thinking about management planning to identify what exists, what needs to be done on certain properties, the mapping efforts, uh, like you know, all that I think would would lead to

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down the road being able to actually develop one of these maps that would >> yeah, >> have some teeth to it. It's almost like a top 10, you know, direct set of work on properties, you

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know, or >> as opposed to governance and other kinds of, >> you know, planning and so on. >> You know, we do have a goal that says develop a method of ongoing communication with the public to continue to receive feedback during the

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implementation of this plan. We do have some maps in here as deliverables already. I do like how Hudson did it. They're like, "Try to get some land over here." You know, they didn't like call out this partial without talking to the owner. You know what I mean? Like they were very general

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on this map that we're looking at. But yeah, I feel like we just can't have a map for this one. So, >> yeah. I guess Satie, you think it's a required map. Can you confirm if it is or isn't

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>> I was just looking in the workbook and I'm trying to remember >> don't remember off the top of my head >> the the base map that MVPC made for the map updates is the open space map that shows

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>> right >> you know protected land conservation easement chapter lands. It shows everything, you know, open space related on it as the base. >> Yeah, they don't have any examples of an

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action plan map, either. would be a question for Marramac Valley. I mean, they're going to be reviewing this one more time, right? So, >> yeah, you know, >> I would say that we're really leaning towards not doing it this go around.

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>> Yeah, it's wild. If you look at our open space map next to Hudson's, just the amount of protected land that we have that we're fortunate to have in town, >> like I don't want to say there's almost no

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room for for for uh that broad of a map in our plan. I think I think we'd want it to be more specific when we get to that point, if that makes sense. Yeah, >> we just we just don't have these big gaps of unprotected areas. We're fortunate we don't. They're they're

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smaller gaps. >> Yeah. >> The only thing I could think of is if we wanted to point out uh things that are sort of already in the works that uh kind of align with the goals we just talked about. For example, we could talk

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about the borders to Boston trail that uh we could talk about uh uh the uh bike lanes going into Plum Island. Um uh uh beach erosion planning or whatever if

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we had something along those lines. or uh actually uh Bill, what you were just talking about uh the Lock and Road Dam and uh reforesting the uh >> the uh river bank, you know, that sort of thing. Um

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those things are kind of like in prog process already and it'd be nice actually to have something like this saying, okay, we're not doing nothing. This stuff is happening. So um

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and I I suppose if I think part of the problem is we don't have any real specific things that we've identified that we really you know you know we're going to stop doing this unless we say you know fix that great meadows parking lot or something. You know what I mean?

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Uh we don't have anything like that really. Um but maybe we should. Um >> well I think in the action plan that's what we've said. So, we're going to identify these things. We just haven't done it yet. It'd be tough on the fly

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right now to develop some >> I understand what you're saying. I'm looking at like the lower green. It's like, yeah, we'll throw the lower green because that just got proved in town vote, turn that into historic, >> but I'm like I don't think that's really the purpose of the map is like I think

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we need to develop these further rather than just steal things that are already going on because we don't have like the Lark and Dan stuff. We didn't anything that it's happening in our town and we support it. I mean, hey, I showed up, put sticks in the mud, but I don't think like, you know, I don't think that we

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that wasn't as a result of any effort on our behalf. >> That was happening with or without us. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> So, let's see what Mayor McBal says and then I think it's a great idea. That's something that we'll do. We're going to

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do this. >> It's interesting. I just found uh the town of Northfield, Massachusetts um has an action plan map, but unlike the Hudson one, I would there are

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three there's six of the 11 um boxes in the map are floating without arrows because they are more in line with like our

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>> objectives, you know, their post updated trail maps, opportunities for stewardship, volunteers, and blah blah blah, you know, prioritize chapter 61 areas, things along those lines. So, it's it's sort of their top um

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it it it their language describing that map basically says it's a summary of their priorities. And then it says the complete list of action items can be found in, you know, section blah blah blah. So, you know, there's some

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language around it that kind of just it's a, you know, it's basically saying it's a top priority, but it's not pointing to specific properties for the mo in the most for most of them. So, so we could consider that after we hear back from Aramac Valley. >> I think that's what we would have to do.

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It would be something like that. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. That's a really interesting Yeah. approach if we have to do it. Yeah. >> Right. Maybe we don't. Yep. >> Excellent. >> Okay. >> Okay. So, um that sounds good. Uh let's

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next steps. Um I know that we talked about a timetable. Um do we have any other development on that or action items, things that as a committee we need to do the next steps where where we're going from here? I mean, I'll just say in one minute that I

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sort of mapped out that like how do we get to the end here and even where I felt like I was trying to push it a little bit, push the envelope a little bit, it came out to November, like maybe around the holidays till like we're really getting signed, sealed, and

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delivered. So, just to like level set everybody's expectations about how long it's going to take to step through the next like five steps to get to the end, I will find that document. I'm so sorry. I don't know where what I did with it. I was trying to use AI to put it into a

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schedule somehow. I don't know where I put it. So, I will find it. But that's just my little message there. Um, but I think I did review Kristen's section six. And so, I'll send you my comments on that, Satie, because you sent it my

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way. Um, and anybody else who wants to review it, too. And I'll send this other one. Yeah, if you send that to Satie and perhaps Satie could share it with us and we'll use that at our next meeting. We'll go over it. Everybody review it

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and make sure that you're on board on it. Um or have any other thoughts. Um but I agree being realistic. I know there's a lot of steps to um that we're going to have to do. So I'm not that surprised it's going to take until this

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fall to push this thing out the door. Good. All right. So, um, is there any other member updates in the group? >> Um, I have something. Um,

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uh, Joy was asking me if you all could send her an email each individually, about if you were re-uping your term for fiscal year 2027.

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Uh, she said she sent you an email a little bit ago um to all committee members asking to to update her on if you will be continuing your posts. >> So, we um staggered it. So, I reup for

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three years. I know like David did it one year and I don't know about everybody else. Um David was pretty adamant about not having to do it annually. So, I didn't get an email, but for whoever did get one that signed up for one year, I think that's who she's

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probably talking about. >> So, you reupt you reupted fiscal year the beginning of this current fiscal year for three years or or staggering it, right? >> Yeah. Yep, I did. >> Okay. So, yeah, that's that's what I

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thought. So, >> I responded to Joy. I got I got her email and I I wrote back. >> Okay. >> The website shows just Mike and David as the ones expiring this June. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I feel like I went in to sign the

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book and she's like, "You already signed the book." So, and she told me >> you went in recently. >> When was that? Was it in the winter? >> No, the last time we got together. >> Yeah. Recently. >> Yeah. because I think I think the uh

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select board is in their June one of these June meetings that are coming up is is you know naming the reappoints or whatever. >> Not going to lie, I lagged and and she sent me a reminder and then I jumped right on respond. >> I think she sent it originally like two

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months ago or something like that and I just spaced on it. >> Uh I know I had to reup for borders to Boston. So but uh open space I'm good for another year I guess. So >> yeah, I think that's how we decided to do that. Yeah,

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>> I actually think I had to send mine to the select board. >> Yeah, that's what I did, too. >> Yeah. >> Did you do that, Sean? You send it to the select board for B2B. >> Yeah, you just send them an email or you can actually show up to the meeting. Either way it works. Yeah.

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>> Okay, great. >> Yeah. And I got a confirmed um receipt from her too. For me, just FYI, Satie. Okay, cool. >> Great. So then the last thing is just

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picking our next meeting. Um I don't have my unfortunately tonight I don't my my phone is dead so I don't have my calendar. So what would uh the normal meeting date be? We >> um the third Tuesday of June is June

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16th but there are five Tuesdays. So June 16th is only the third of five Tuesdays. So do we want to That's in two weeks, the 16th. So

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>> we could still meet that meeting. So >> you couldn't. >> No. >> Okay. >> But >> do we want to push it? >> We're on vacation for two Tuesdays, the 23rd and the 30th. Yeah, >> both you and Bill.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Um >> I could do it earlier in the day or something. Um well, somewhat earlier. My evening is booked.

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>> Okay. Do we want to do a different day of the week? >> Wednesday or Thursday? >> Yeah. >> Yeah, >> that would be fine. Maybe Wednesday. >> Wednesday would be better because a the 18th some people have Junth off the

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Friday. So that would be like a Friday night on the 18th. So how about the 17th Wednesday night? >> Yeah, >> that works. >> There there is a planning board meeting that night which I usually attend and take notes. Um what time is that at?

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>> 7. >> We could do a 6 to 7. Just an idea. >> Yeah. Are people able to do six? Is that >> where >> I know I'm supposed to be tagging down in the cape that day. That doesn't mean

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that I can't call in. Um if we do a a Zoomer, >> yeah, >> I might be in a truck >> or a Monday night. >> Can't do Monday the 15th.

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Okay. So I mean might we have to pick a date that everybody can't make >> which is not ideal. >> No. >> What? So just so >> Oh, what were you going to say?

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>> What about next Thursday? >> What are we going to Well, I guess >> I was going to say like what's our what's our homework? like can should we depending on what we need to get done in between we could wait a really long time or we could meet really soon.

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>> I mean I guess that's a good question. I mean we need to review Marramck Valley's comments and what I was thinking is that she has comments in everybody's sections. So whatever section you wrote go in and refine your section based on

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her comments. It I have I I saw my comments. I skimmed some of them. Some of them are just like remove this comma, but there was some other things like this is like here's a good resource, maybe you should incorporate this into your section. So, I would say that's one thing we have to do. >> Yeah. >> And if if there if you are reviewing

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your section and there's questions or comments from K that you're like, I have no idea what to do about this. Um Kristen and I can definitely help with writing anything that's confusing or out of your

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view, I guess. Sure. >> We get access to the word document so we can actually make changes and check changes. >> Yes, I uploaded the draft with K's comments and you all should have access right now. It's in

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the OSRP folder in the OSRP draft folder. It's the only one in there at the moment. And the the older draft older the old versions folder has all the old stuff. I've just been putting it all in there. Um, >> yeah, the link you sent us works. I I

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checked it out earlier. >> This morning's email. Yeah, >> great. I'm glad. >> Yeah, >> that it works. So, yeah, feel free to do suggesting mode and make all your edits. >> So, if we do that, then really it's time

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to start >> meshing all these things together into one document and editing it. There is some um what is this section? the um action plan section. There is like uh several paragraphs that need to be

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drafted and written still. Um it's well laid out in the workbook on what should be done. They did a good example again in the Hudson plan. That's one I look at. So that's something else that could be done. Um but I think a lot of it is just editing

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exercise. >> Okay. So, do we want to leave like to to absorb all of K's comments, do any re needed research on what she commented? Write the comment like write the edits

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that she's asking for. Do we think that reasonably I mean is that two weeks or a month of work? We still want to do more action plan

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revisions. Where did we land? >> I think we got the action plan. We just need to fill in the rest of the columns. >> Right. And that's that's me and Kristen. So that'll probably take a good while as well. at least at least

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two weeks. >> Well, the next step that we're aiming towards, I think, is that we're going to compile this document. Does it need to go back to MVPC or do you think that we can refine it ourselves now? Because we were going to submit the draft to the

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town boards. >> Um, are we doing the public meeting first before we do any anymore? No, >> because we didn't want people to change it dramatically and

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at the town boards and at DCR and then we showed we had already showed it to the public to the point where we felt like we had to show it to them again. >> Okay. So, we're going to boards first

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after we're done with this draft and then the public or >> um public incorporate or sorry, the town boards incorporate their comments, maybe send it to MVPC if we think,

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incorporate comments and then do the public review. >> Okay. So yeah, by the time it goes out to the public to review, it's pretty much a yeah a finished document. I mean, it is a document.

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>> In which case, we should maybe have DCR should be before the public. The first preliminary draft to DCR. Do we want to do that before the public >> and incorporating any feedback from them? Yeah. >> Could take

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>> a massive hole somewhere. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, Mike, when you did it last time, did you go through the same process where you had a second public feedback session? Because I'm just wondering like someone come in and be like, "Oh, you guys are have it all wrong. You need this, this, this." And

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all a sudden be like, "Whoa." I can't I can't honestly remember. Um, I know the former plan has like the survey results and I think it I think it has maybe minutes from a public meeting in it.

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You could pull that and look and see if there were two. I I can't recall if there were two public meetings or not. I know there was one. >> Yeah, it it I was just curious. I'm just like trying to see how this is going to go. Yeah, we didn't have a lot of participation in

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the last one. >> Yeah, >> it was really, you know, the committee drove it. We had the public meeting because we had to. Uh, it wasn't heavily attended. Um, so we I don't think we had a lot to pull from that at the time.

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>> Gotcha. Well, I said we could go back, work on our sections, incorporate those comments, and then reconvene in a couple weeks, and then maybe it'll be a shorter meeting. And then uh but we really need

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to finally like pull this together and identify any gaps like in section seven, those paragraphs, those ones that come to mind and uh and pull this into one cohesive document. So, do we have a date that we want to

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meet next? >> I would really prefer not a Thursday, but any other day I can really do >> uh what was the problem with the 17th? I forgot already. >> I have a there's a planning board meeting that night. I can also talk to

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Chris and >> you know >> uh >> I'm not you know always pivotal to the planning board meeting so I can maybe set that one out >> if we did >> how about 24th >> oh no uh you guys are going to be on

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vacation >> we're away how about >> you can meet without us like we could get our stuff done before we go and you can meet without us that's an option like I feel like we're not maybe not going to find a date that everybody's going to make it seems like because we're in a busy time of year, >> right?

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>> It's 6 pm on the 17th. Wednesday the 17th is not good. I know that's early and it's summer. >> Oh, 6:00 to 7. >> Well, just so that Satie Yeah. before >> I know it's, you know, it's hard to do.

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>> Yeah, I think I I I might you just run. I mean, who knows? >> Yeah. >> Everything I do is dictated by the way. I have no idea what it's going to be like, but I'm supposed to be on a boat. So, but I can call in. I'll be I'll be driving driving driving back and if I can't, you guys can meet. >> Yeah, you can also continue the meeting

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and I can leave. I mean, >> yeah, I agree. >> That's also an option. >> Let's do that. >> So, 6 p.m. on on June 17th, >> which is a Wednesday. Yeah. >> So, it seems like we should do it on Zoom.

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Yeah, >> agree. Okay, >> definitely. All right, I think we did it. It was a good meeting. We got a lot done. >> Definitely. All right. Thanks everybody. Uh if there's nothing else, uh I'd like

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to move to adjourn. Secondh. >> All in favor? I I >> thank you everybody.