All right. So, today is October 7th. I assume this. So, uh today's October 7th. Um this is the kind of new area of space committee
meeting. Um today we have myself Hoffman coach Jerry Palone Christina Hoffman Jim Doom Sean Moroy and S Woodward. That's everybody. Um so we have an
agenda here. Um seeing there's no nobody from the um no citizens here, um we're going to move right into the open space committee uh meeting minutes. Has everybody got to see Mike's minutes?
You've already viewed that? >> I did. The only thing that jumped out at me was I think it said that Tim Julie made a move, made a motion, and he did his own motion, which I know he's very talented, but I don't think that was like
at least one issue on here if anybody else has one. Yes. >> No, we just raised it. >> Okay. Um, under open space committee updates the survey results. Okay. It says last
sentence, the committee agreed it's important that employees of the town take the survey. Uh, no we didn't. We we agreed that members of town boards,
committees, and commissions take the survey, right? >> Because employees of the town don't necessarily live here for one thing, and I don't think it's situation in which we
should put the employees. Um so uh and that was the email that I sent out um was the response to that which as you see it
it's going to board members, committee members, etc. Um, so, uh, if nobody has a problem changing that, um, because also I think these people
actually read them in a bit confused as to why we wanted to survey the employee. So um so we said so change that to uh committee members
>> board members. >> How would you like it to be? >> Yeah. Well, okay. uh take out um employees of that employees of the town from that employees of the town take the
survey members of the town boards um commissions and committees respond I think respond to the survey will be it because we're not quite doing that
>> respond or be offered the chance to We're not requiring it, right? So be offered the chance to take the survey. Complete the survey complete the >> Okay. >> Survey in the letter. We're talking about that survey, correct?
>> I can't. >> We're talking about the version of the survey that's in the letter we're sending out. >> Well, I think that we're recording what we talked about at the last meeting, which wasn't isn't where we are now. So some we have sort of evolved a little bit. So, we're trying to record what we said last time,
>> right? You know, >> so it's a different survey from the public survey, right? >> So, we want to indicate that it's like a separate thing. Is that what we mean? >> Well, it is we're not reopening the survey, >> right? >> Okay. We're instead putting a survey in
a letter and sending that >> agreeing type thing. >> That's not what we decided last time. Last time we did decide to like do that or we talked about doing that. So, we're recording what we talked about last time. >> Yeah. >> And now this time we'll have new minutes that say, "Oh, we changed our minds, >> right?"
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Okay. So, yeah, that's fine. Okay. >> Okay. So, should we vote on that change?
>> I would like to propose that change. >> I'll second it. >> Okay. All in favor? [Music] >> So I will resubmit those. >> Sure.
>> Right. For final. >> Well, we I think we can approve them with with the amendments we just >> Okay. Good. >> So, and I think the other comment that follows is once now we've approved those, we're 3
months behind on the website. I said June. >> Well, I just actually put the July ones up and then we didn't have a meeting in August. >> Okay. So, >> the September second ones are now approved, so I can put those up.
>> Right. Great. That would be good because it was early today and obviously, you know, I didn't I thought sending you an email was not necessary. >> Yes. I I was just looking at like the agendas and minutes. I like I don't know
how I got to do that once, but they're up there now. >> So, we need to vote to accept these minutes as amended. Correct. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I think minutes. >> Yeah. Including the changes.
>> Okay. All in favor? >> I'm sorry. Just seconded. >> Sorry. >> You're doing great. >> Thank you. All right. So, uh moving on. Uh next agenda item is scope of work and
deadlines discussion. And I didn't review this. I believe you did. Do you know or say? >> Yes. So, I I just wanted to like like briefly discuss what we had
talked about a while ago. And I honestly haven't been totally working off of this, but um Kristen reminded me that we have um completed this like sort of rough rough timeline and I kind of wanted to just review where we are.
>> Um can everyone see this? there. I can make it a little bigger. Um, so we are close to somewhere in between here, which I think honestly we're still
pretty on track. Um, so I think we have almost all sections. Um, and you guys said you're submitting your sections soon. Yeah, we'll put a couple
more work. >> Okay. Yeah. Um, that sounds good. And then I sent out the section five, which I have more edits from Mike. Um, section three from Jim
and um Sean's section, the climate change section. Um, so yeah, I just wanted to kind of remind people that this is there. Um, and it would be cool to try to stick to it. Um, so maybe to
um I I've been kind of thinking in my mind that I want to have a final draft done by the end of like a draft ready to submit to people by the end of this year. Do people feel like that's a doable goal? >> Mhm. >> Yep.
>> We could do a couple goal. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Um >> so and then we can start the whole submitt process and stuff in uh January. Um >> so it says there are November 18th submit draft plan to boards and committees for comment. So
>> are you thinking >> I'm thinking maybe well we can see where we are at the end of October I think and then you know address future plans for submitting things like that. >> Okay. Does that sound good to everybody?
>> Yeah. Great. Cool. Um, yeah. I know. I just bumped into like another little thing that I would love March Valley to give me. It's not like a map or anything. It's just like a a data snap from one of the maps that's in our section. So, it's like the percentage
what percentage of X is on this map in our town. So I don't know if there's that opportunity still exists to ask them to run some quick queries for it but for for section four specifically. >> Okay. Yeah. Um I don't have the model
listed but um you know I will >> and in general the maps so we reviewed them last meeting and that's some you added a following right? I um I'm still working with Sophie to get all of our
edits. Um >> you know, made on those maps. So um that might be a next meeting discussion. >> Sounds great. >> But yeah, that's kind of all I wanted to talk about related to um timeline and stuff. So
>> good. And I would just add for my section which I will start the community context section three. Um it you're very kind to
say give it a status that's probably I think there are more there's more that I want to add in to that. >> Okay. >> I'll work with you like I went a review a few weeks ago some stuff. I just helped on it. But so if you do read that
section, you're going to see some it's not tight and there's there are gaps that need just I would almost wait on seeing the next version before you kind of say, "Hey, this is missing or whatever."
>> Yeah, I wanted to like send it out just so people like aren't like, "Oh my god, we don't have anything." I I thought it was looking pretty good as a final like as a collective document so far. So >> yeah, I didn't mean to come across as
well. Yeah, >> it's it's definitely it needs improvement. >> Yeah. >> Great. >> Yeah. >> Super. Thanks. >> Okay. Awesome. I've got one observation just kind of a general thing is it looks like the front changes occasionally.
>> I have to tell you. >> Okay. I will dedicate many time. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I make more changes to mine to see it. So >> awesome. >> Yeah. Sounds good.
>> Okay. >> Yeah. But it is looking [Music] >> Yeah. It's actually coming together. Great work. Um, great. So, um, you want to discuss generating the action plan?
>> Yes. So, um, David and I discussed this the other day. Um, David, do you want to maybe talk a little bit about what we've discussed?
>> Well, I, as you probably all grown, I sent out homework. Um I guess I was in that sort of frame of mind um having come across some stuff
which reminded me when I was teaching cuz that's a whole other thing. Um okay. So I suggested there were three kind of sources to look at. Um and that
um first one was to look at the um you know essentially the the either what I had put together very quickly which was a first look at a
survey of the survey um and it seemed to generate some ideas and then um I thought that we needed to also look at what the state talks about in terms of
how you analyze your needs. And then um I also said something which I had done oh jeez almost a year ago I think which was the old plan uh of 2010
um where I'd gone through and highlighted it for stuff I thought was reasonably still relevant for us to think about and that's what I sent out and I don't know you know at At this
point, I think it's probably going to be a little bit of a difficult task to pull together. um the whole idea of um how you generate an action plan. I'm not entirely sure
actually in some ways. Um I might substitute um uh identify the goals because I think if if you haven't identified the goals um there's no way
you're going to generate an action plan which holds any water um you know that has a real relevance. So I don't know what this is, you know, a sort of like a very amorphous kind of
area. um what what comes to mind because in a way I know this next item on the agenda but the questions
the simple question single question to the members of laws and committees is really fishing in that direction in other words what they think about because I suggested that we might modify
by that um in in in a different way. Okay. So, I know it's up to you guys to any first thoughts you have. It seems to me because otherwise
we really don't know where we're going to go next. We get all the sections done and then what do we do? Um well my original thought was um we
would keep writing the sections but um I've already kind of started to see things like um uh like in the text like oh this you know uh this phenomenon indicates the need for this like um I thought we could
kind of all once we have more solid drafts we could um read through and kind of try to pick out and then um if we see kind of like broader concepts like we were talking about David like trying to start with the broader stuff and then get more specific as we go um then we
can kind of just use our graphs as like a guide for what we're prioritizing within the action plan and also the survey data. Um and we kind of all just just so it's not like one person being like this this and this. Like we could all kind of you know
in between meetings um we can read through the drafts, read through the survey data and kind of interpret it ourselves and see what we think is coming out of all that information. Um but yeah, I think we were David and I were talking about like um the old plan
and how it has five major goals. Um and I and I've been talking with Martha Taylor who um was a big part of the other plan as well as David uh the previous plan. And she was basically just saying like, you know, take take
from the old plan as much as you want. Like it's not you don't have to reinvent the wheel if it's all already there. Um, so yeah, that was my thought for yesterday. >> Are there any goals that were in the old
plan? Because really the goals need to come from the public participation >> results, >> right? >> So it's I feel like they have to be if we state goals, I feel like they need to be sort of justified by the responses of what the town said they want.
>> Mhm. versus what we think that we might want. Um, so I guess I'd be I feel like I still need to sit with the data a little bit >> and maybe if you could do like a session or maybe I just need to do it on my own, but like a session of like let's review
the data again >> just to see like where are the highest numbers of responses that say that they like this or they don't like that or they see trouble with this because I feel like if there's a couple of those then those might end up being our goals.
M >> y >> yeah and I I am making like a just a list of like a just graph for each question. Um and I want to send that out like as soon as this week or next week
and just I feel like that could be a good thing to just sit with and review a couple times in between now and the next meeting. Um and then we could maybe have a sort of discussion about what we're interpreting from the data.
>> Yeah. >> And that could kind of kickstart our little >> Is there anything from the 2010 plan? Not to dig it up and have to go through it. >> Yeah. >> Carefully, but is there are there incomplete >> Yeah. >> You know, action items there that
>> Yeah. >> we may want to just take a glance at >> you. Yeah. Martha was saying like a lot of the things you know some were completed and >> attempted to complete but a lot of them were not so we could kind of just assess that too
>> that could be other thing to do in between. >> Um >> but I agree Christina like going having a session kind of >> sort through all that. >> Yeah makes sense. So how do we go about
analyzing or sharing our own analysis of the survey? Um I mean I I've already done that in my own head and I pulled out some of the things which I thought were important. Um,
I will freely admit that I have a bias going into this in that I, as far as I'm concerned, I'm perfectly happy I know what we need to do. Um, and basically what I think we need
to do does coincide mostly with the stuff that was stressed in the survey. Um, I personally find the old action plan to be
essentially useless. And I'll tell you why. because it what it reminded me of when I was teaching many moons ago I used to have a comment on people's essays which was
t e and what that meant was that they had put in the whole encyclopedia section entry d we e Okay, I think we now have a
new one of course which is the whole Wikipedia entry. In other words, that action plan covered everything you could possibly think about and multiple things in it
did not apply to Newbury either realistically or in actual fact. And I have, you know, and it it's epitomized by the fact that in the
um responsibility column, okay, at the end of that listing, there is a listing that tells you what the uh abbreviations stand for. like uh in those days it
would have been um uh I think uh select something like that. There are two categories there that we don't even have. So it tells you how much people were attending to that plan. And the way
it got made was because the consultant did it. And then on top of that it was tweaked by the then committee and we pulled out the five or so areas that um
you know that Si just mentioned but all the rest of it in terms of something as a a real document. So, I'm very keen to avoid something that's I can't remember is it
six pages long with something like 48 items or 60. I mean, it's crazy. >> Yeah, >> it's ridiculous. And that anybody should accept it have accepted it as as a plan.
I mean, it's an essay, but it's not a plan. >> Yeah. Each objective is broken out into multiple subsections. So like there's objective two, then it goes objective 2, three, 0, 2, 2, 3, 4, all with abd.
So it's expensive. It's extensive. >> The workbook sort of breaks down three categories like identify our needs under the natural resource protection, >> the outdoor recreation needs, and then management. And I'm assuming that's like
management of what? No, that's actually management to implement >> the zoo, you know, categories A and B. >> So hopefully our data reveals like some needs in both of those categories so that we can cover them. >> It's the open space and migration plan.
So it makes sense. >> One of the key areas you just mentioned that's never got addressed is management. >> Yeah. Right. You know what I mean? >> You may not you may or may not know this answer, but
did the town put a new sign at Coffin Street on Solid Roads? It looks like a brand new sign there. >> Yes. >> And does anybody they anybody like open up that gate and go down that trail? Did you happen to know like just out of curiosity? Like
it's just I the sign was very obvious that it's it's new and shiny and last I knew I was the last person to know that and that was you know 6 months ago probably. So uh they just that struck me as a thing right away like okay new signage that's great calling attention
to it but is it being managed and maintained? Somebody went there right now might not be like, you know, the most attractive. >> The gate I have key to that gate
and I also have to lock. And the other thing I because that comes right out of the analysis of needs. Um we should not be doing B the summary of community outdoor
recreation needs. We should not be doing that solo. That should be part of the recreation committee's commitment to this. I mean we're not doing their work for them. It seems to me we shouldn't do that because I don't have any real
experience except you know secondhand or uh third hand about the state of more formal recreation. >> Yeah, I think that makes sense. I think that maybe we pull out the questions from the survey like what are the results that deal with outdoor
recreation and we you know we package that up and we send it to the recreation committee and we say here's the results the public have you know and like put the task on them over the next couple of months to evaluate it and come back with >> and there's a very real question that
currently they have on file with the town a master plan Mhm. >> Right. And that master plan actually was drawn up by a consultant um who is a you know professional
recreation planner in North Freddy. Um, and I can't find any indication of where we are in that plan because some things have gotten done. Namely, the top lot is
is gotten done and there was some muttering recently about the fact that they signed a path or a walking path. Well, they haven't seen anything. Um so I think there are a number of areas
there which uh we could you know send a polite request or take a polite request which I'm happy to do to their meeting. >> Yeah. Yeah, I feel like we'll have to balance a little bit what their master plan said cuz they created some goals a
long time ago, but we just created a survey and we included some they we included their questions in particular. >> And so I feel like our plan sort of needs to derive their goals out of the public participation, but maybe it was
like a nod to the master plan that was created. Like there's going to be some nuanced language I feel like in their recreation needs section. Well, the other thing we also I think need to deal with is is along the lines you're
talking about and that is in relationship to other communities. They are not a recreation committee of the same sort. They only have a specific current charge to be responsible for man fields and
have a you know a self- sustaining budget. Okay. So, we don't have a recreation committee in the sense that other towns do where they're involved with all of the formal
recreation activities in the town. And the the proof of that is the fact that um I found it very difficult to find out who was actually responsible beyond the pe the little league people who use the
field at the library and there's a sort of big hole in terms of who uses the field on the upper green. Now, they do seem to come vaguely under some sort of connection to the DPW
because DPW does what? It mows the grass, right? Uh but um I haven't pushed this because uh I'm afraid it could save way a safe serve to send waves, but it's
clearly an issue. Well, I didn't realize that that they only really have, you know, purview over banter fields. So, who, you know, like on the lower green when people like use that space for fields and whatnot, is there not like a
the recreation committee is not involved in that? >> No, mos it >> and if you want to go down there and put together, you know, put together football, touch football game or >> kids soccer is out there. Yeah.
>> Yeah. And you can do it. It's public use. >> Okay. And you who so who would somebody reach out to to do that to like get on the list so there aren't you know lacrosse team? >> Yeah. There's no sign off sheet. >> There isn't.
>> Well, the one thing is I mean no. Okay. I have to be careful because this is a little bugaboo of mine. Another one. And that is if you go to Pearson Field, which is the one next to the library. I don't quite know when it got named, but
apparently it's called that. There's no indication of what's happening next week. And you go into the library and they don't know either, right? >> Like actually outside at the view.
>> Yes. There's nothing. So like you showed up there, you're like, "Oh, I want to play catch on the diamond today." you know, you'd have no knowledge if there was a game about, you know, minus people being there, you know, for half an hour all of a sudden going to get overrun for the league game unless you go to the
website. >> Yeah. Well, that's something I can speak to for the upper green is that, >> you know, it's the bike field delivery baseball softball league that handles that scheduling, but who they coordinate with, right? or are they just running
rogue like not rogue but you know are they checking anybody before they make their baseball schedule or is it just know that these months of the year you know scheduling is under their domain you know >> I mean that could be like a
>> needs well that's why I talked about you know management is the the thing that started me on this was um okay I tried to get access to our quarter
million dollar bargain the land we bought that above the literally okay the Kent way right opposite my house right
um is so overgrown it's amazing uh you could have a wonderful sort of Indian more in there. Anyway, um I couldn't get into it because they don't cut around the perimeter fence of of the little
league. Okay. And it's all Brian and God knows what. In the process, I discovered that that whole area is trash. And there's a there's a ride on mower that's been there as long as I can
remember, and it's nonfunctional. And I presume it's probably the oil in it. All right. Etc., etc. Nobody know. Oh. Oh, that's not that's not us. So, who is it?
It's that kind of thing that when you don't have a a communitywide at least some sort of supervision. And one of the things that um the um I'm
trying to think of his name, the guy who came to our meeting um who who gave the report on the trails on the um >> those only two guys from he gave the report on the board of the
Boston Trail in front of the select select board. That's David >> and John >> John Reagan. >> Yeah. Okay. Anyway, um he he came uh and as a result of
those discussions, one of the things he pointed out and has pointed out several times on their committee is they believe that they have run a very active summer program paying for a part-time
recreation director and they've gotten it's not their fault. And I'm not saying that anyone's fault, but they that goes nowhere because they don't have status to get into that kind of issue. >> Wasn't that one of our questions? Isn't
that Isn't that one of the questions that the recreation committee added in? >> We'll have we'll have the results as to whether the town agrees, >> right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Mhm. Um so we'll loop the rev committee in with
generating analysis of needs for um outdoor recreation. Um I will send data collated from the survey uh for us to kind of sit with and analyze. Um,
>> so I guess you're going to give them a copy of the report or at least their stat would you like to populate this and here's the results from this serve. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I wonder because per what the schedule you showed
>> right November which I realize may change but >> that the distribution to the committees maybe for that particular committee we want to >> I don't want to say have a inerson handoff for something that >> is more than just how we're going to do
it in other committees. So maybe we combine most of what we've discussed here to kind of just align on who's doing what and >> cuz I don't think joint committee meeting at some point down the road. So once we hand this off to them, you know,
set a date for it. >> Yeah, I was thinking that might be good just cuz I feel like they like they haven't extended out to us and we haven't looped them in. So I feel like you could kind of just have a big discussion about where we are in this house.
>> Yeah, exactly. >> And I do think I mean cuz Trump and I being on now the border in Boston >> bike committee the trail committee shouldn't say bike cuz it's multi >> but that passive
quote which is almost a bit weird. Well, I think that's that's exactly what I was going to say in the sense that passive recre, you know, there's some intersection going on here over >> they're very ego with that project. Uh, and so I think this is a good time to
clarify >> a lot of things because there's been this focus on the recreation fields alone. What has happened is my guess is that
committee and there's no fault of theirs will be probably totally unaware of what's called SCORP. Okay. This the state strategic recreation plan or whatever that
translates to be and it's one of the things that's mentioned in here. >> Yeah. >> That you should be paying attention to. And the point is one needs to to consciously play into
what their stated priorities in the last iteration of that which was in when was that 2017 I think. Yeah, I think so. Anyway, um, and that's that's tough because there's no reason for them
really to have looked at that because they're this self-funded group. >> When's the next recreation committee meeting? Does anybody happen to know? >> I don't know. >> Monthly,
>> they meet on Mondays, I think. >> But when is it? Well, It says we post it online. >> Oh, it was yesterday. >> I mean, that's what AI says. It was yesterday at 6:30.
>> No, there's one tomorrow, >> is there? Yeah, but there's no agenda. >> I guess >> recreation committee meeting. >> Oh, yeah. 6:30. Yeah. just well only because I was
thinking if it if they had an opportunity for citizen queries or at least like an opportunity for the public to speak on the agenda, we could go just introduce this concept, you know, saying, "Thank you so much for your participation and like helping us create survey questions. We have some results.
We're going to send them to you in the next week or so. But what we like to ask you is to review that because we need a goal in our open space and recreation plan and we feel that you are best suited, you know, to collaborate with us on their goals, right? We're hoping to
incorporate their goals in our report. >> Yeah. So it right cuz I feel like this is going to take a while. So the more touch points we have with them as opposed to just dropping it with the results. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Exactly. Yeah, >> he just committed to a meeting tomorrow
night, but we could conceivably move that meeting and go and do that. Like I would offer to go to the recreation committee and just say those words if that was so sounds like it would be helpful. >> Yeah. >> But we have to be careful
of not asking of the recreation committee something the town is going to say they're not responsible. make out to that. So what what's happened is
we got the land and nobody knew what to do with it except the guy who gave it to us got to be the chair of the recreation committee. Okay. Then he disappeared and eventually left this earth. Um, we had a
now currently very active recreation committee, but their role is very limited. And until someone who is willing
and essentially to recognize that limitation has meant a lot of other things are not happening. to ask them to do something that I can tell you their clerk
whose names me again I'm sorry um will tell you they're not authorized to do >> okay so their purview is like here fields our open space and recreation plan is like recreation it includes manure fields and the rest of like
recreational opportunities so we could at least in have a conversation with them about you know that concept concept and maybe refresh our memories of what the questions were that they added in there. Um, and just I don't know get
some of their thoughts. >> Yeah, I think the two sections the B and C section, right? like those are the two that I think starting from that and saying >> you're finishing the prior sections that will be given to you for comment and so on but we're going to need you in this
section six for these two areas >> just to align on how you can help contribute how we can incorporate your goals how we can ensure the scope of what rec outdoor recreation means right >> and how we're going to address it in
this plan >> yeah we're not going to be assigning action items or anything other than getting >> that's why we need to know where quote unquote master plan is
>> because some of it's done and some of it may not be quote well I mean there's one piece there's a piece in there they're going to provide access to the river kayak access to the
river. Do you know what it would take to get access to the river? You'd be hit deep in m before you got to the river. >> But it's in there. >> Yeah. >> And the reason it's in there is because
they let it in there because gee, I mean, you know, >> and there are brands, right? I mean, there are brands sometimes. So, yeah. >> Takes a lot of work. So maybe as a as our committee here
when we look at this like section 6B the outdoor recreation needs and identifying some stated goals do we want in some ways I feel like there's the easy route which says we get the recreation committee and if their
perview is really magic fields and they have some goals that came out of the results we just limit the goal and we write it down in here that's related to whatever whatever that recreation committee says versus trying to tackle the broader question of
where else on the town's property do we have recreation organized like recreational needs. We can probably tackle that in a different way because now that Bill Deayo is chair of the select board, um I
I think we have a an ear there that's at least prepped for this problem anyway. You know, >> for the sake of getting the plan done. >> Yeah. Right. >> Maybe we just make a goal that is related to whatever the recreation
committee's purview is and we get their input on what it should be. >> Yeah. But also, if we're to to accurately represent what is happening in the town and what has been expanding, fascinatingly since the
clubhouse or whatever you want to call it, the building at Manta Fields is now usable. Guess who's using it? the capsule aging groups for pickle ball
>> to do among other things I think um yoga classes which is a great time. >> Yeah. So I mean there are a lot of enterprising people who are doing it >> by themselves.
>> Nice. Um there's nothing in there. I mean I'm just looking on the website here. There's nothing in the recation committee that sort of says their their only charge is the fields. It's much more than that. >> But they do mention that they're in conjunction with the town administrator.
So and actually just to quote here uh to the committees will identify opportunities to develop new areas for recreation and bring proposals before the board of selectment, >> which is basically what we're looking for, I think.
>> So, um, if we're wondering if it's appropriate to ask him, it seems like it would certainly fit within the ending, but >> we can offer to help write it if that's the question. >> Yeah. Yeah, for sure. For sure. >> Take what they give us.
>> Just like extend the offer here. We see what your questions are. We're going to send you the results for you to think about and then we can work collaboratively to come up with a goal. >> I wouldn't want to do it without >> right. >> One thing I'm going to add before I
forget is that and this was in one of our uh B2B Boston meetings. Uh it's they're calling it now the central street fields. So manter because they want to move on from labeling it manter.
It's central street >> central street. >> Yeah. My understanding central streets >> just cuz I >> Okay. So, is anyone able Well, I think I might be rushing into it to just jump on
there tomorrow. But >> do we know when that next meeting is? >> I think it's monthly. So it's probably early November >> monthly. So I think it'll probably be early November the next one. >> They haven't set a debate yet. >> No, >> there's one tomorrow. >> There's one tomorrow.
>> I mean, we didn't just have a second conversation before that before November's meeting. >> Oh, I think I think we need >> we plan we need to plan to go in some shape or form >> tomorrow to tomorrow's meeting >> to to their meeting.
>> But tomorrow or I don't know November. Um, >> November. November 3rd is the next one, >> which isn't >> I feel like we could reach out to David and and John that I know. I'm sure they would immediately.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, I'm offering too as well just to have a conversation. >> Yeah. Awesome. >> We have lots of volunteers willing to go if they're willing to take us. >> I can't imagine one thing. >> Yeah. I think if if the meetings tomorrow, my experience, having gone to
a couple, is that their agendas are pretty tight. They have a lot of stuff often to do. I mean, they're dealing with contracts with people, all kinds of things. And like I >> also I can also just ask them to like
announce like I could just send them a little message and be like, can you maybe can someone announce this at some point during their meeting tomorrow? just like what we've been talking about. >> Mhm. >> Um if if there isn't enough time to like, you know, get everyone in the same room,
>> um how would I know this is asking too much? I know. Uh would it be possible to get the results of their questions and bring them with with us and >> you know sort of hand that off to give me you know some data to work with. >> Yeah.
>> Um I would certainly explain what there. >> Yes. Um but also get the ball rolling. >> But if we need to keep it short, then you know if we only have like 3 minutes to say something to them, >> then I think we we can do that.
>> Okay. >> I think we can introduce this in a few sentences and then get them to think about next month. >> So I will collect the data that's related to their questions. I'll send them to you all and then I will ask them first thing tomorrow morning. Can we can
have a couple OSC members join their meeting tomorrow and just make a short announcement? >> Yeah. >> Or yeah, have a short discussion. >> Maybe one thing we ask is if we can set up a joint meeting >> in the future. >> Yeah. In sort of that November
>> part of Cool. >> Okay. >> I'll be in touch. >> So just rewinding here a bit. We were talking, I think, a little bit about how we're going to organize our um plan and
you mentioned the old version of the uh OSRP has a fairly extensive plan going on several pages and I'm uh the ones that the plans I've looked at looked at about a half a dozen other towns and
cities and what have you and not city? Yeah, I did actually look at one city. Um, but I have to say very few of them are as extensive as that. But I will say one one difference is that their plans are renewed more often.
So, um, so that got me thinking, well, okay, so there's probably a bunch of stuff in there that's dated, and I saw some of it anyways, but and then maybe we concentrate on the things that we think we can accomplish in a year or two rather than trying to
put everything, you know, I think a 20-year plan is probably a little unrealistic, but, you know, a two-year plan or something like that, maybe. Um and then uh you know what we could do I think as a committee maybe is commit to coming back to this in that sort of time
period >> like an annual review. >> Yeah. You know this is >> you know this is what we proposed you know what happened >> and then do the whole thing over again I guess. >> Yeah. >> I mean >> I agree. >> Yeah I agree that makes a lot of sense.
Um and you know from that I mean making sure the priorities are clear. >> Yeah. I mean >> funding scope etc. you know >> your typical project management. >> Yeahiz pieces >> you know. Yeah. Break down the program
of activity into >> Yeah. >> manageable discrete projects. >> Yeah. >> Even if they're small projects that could be >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I think that's all those are all good. >> Yeah. Okay, let's go. Yeah.
>> So, I I think I might have already said this, but um I'll send out the data and then we can all come to the next meeting with having read it over with some thoughts
about what larger scope goals we have interpreted from the data. Does that all make sense? >> Yeah. like two or three larger goals. >> Sure. >> Data from the survey. >> Yes.
>> Yeah. >> Okay. Sounds good. So, um I feel like this was great discussion. We've been on a tangent a little bit. Um we were talking about generating the action plan and these are certainly some actions. Um is there any other
kind of come back in. Was there anything else that um you were thinking of when we added this section in or is this >> I think that's good. I think that's basically what we discussed. Um yeah, we can move on.
>> Okay. And uh Dave, you already touched on it, but you did um generate an email draft to the boards and committees that we all reviewed, >> right? Um, and I made some rather
important changes. Um, particularly because just jumping out of the conversation just been having um that I should mention in here that the
recreation committee volunteers are involved have been already involved with us. um not only is that um you know polite and good for them but also it's politically I think a good move too. Um,
so that um would go into the first couple of sentences and I I sent out a amended version today or yesterday um for the past several months small
group of volunteers together with volunteers from the recreation commission committee and the planning staff. So that was what changed. Then I inserted into the list of people who
would be getting this email the board to Boston Trail Committee because much of my chain know all the first of the recent select board videos I looked at who should be there
about John Raymond and a guy from the Coastal Trails Coalition, right? Was that sure the guy the other guys were there? >> I think so. >> I wasn't there. Yeah. Well, anyway, they
did a very quite lengthy and very good presentation on the borders of Austin Trail, which again is is going to have to figure into our plan only in that the
plan requires sort of ongoing things that you may not um be specifically planning for, but are going to have to plan that are going to happen because the state is going to take what
is it 2 years to do the section between >> um between Georgetown and here Whitefield. >> We'll hear we'll hear an update from these two. >> Yeah. And then um after that, who knows?
offering was talking about a cow tunnel deep which there [Music] exists anyway. So, okay. So, that's one thing. Um, the
other thing I >> No, doesn't come out on their piece. It doesn't. >> No. Okay. >> You Sorry, I missed that. >> We're talking about the tunnel under 95. >> Well, right. And one of the things is that anything that is done to
potentially quote cross 95 runs into the fact there's a hell of a lot of weapons on the east side and so you're out of the frying pan into the fire as it were. It's it's it's you know and then there's
the wildlife people who don't want anyone who isn't a wildlife person or whatever walking through there on a regular basis and certainly not mothers with parameulators or
baby buggies. Right. Anyway, okay. So, um, a couple of other things I did here was to add, um, to the idea that, um,
if we get responses from these these groups, then we're achieving a a shared, but also, I thought, and I inserted a more representative set of goals for the community's open space resources and policies.
that's just a, you know, an invitation as it were, you know, a bomb bomb to to make people feel that um a little effort is is really helpful for us. Um but I
did add something I think which is more even important than that and that is I had said originally should the town of Newbury did dedicate resources to acquire land to protect or improve
the following and I thought oh boy uh I I that wasn't so smart was it? So what I've said now is should the town of Newbury dedicate resources dash personnel and financial
to be able to acquire land to protect or improve the following because in the past I realized that what people could read was they we were asking whether they wanted to essentially
commit to going out and acquiring land. And I know that that's a bit of a red flag to a bull in a number of, you know, for a lot of people actually right now. I think I'm one that wants to avoid
that. So, what I'm looking for is, have you thought about this? And and do you think that we should be as a community planning to do some of these things, which is what the master plan is about? >> Well, the red flag, what what if the
results come in when we ask people would they be willing to allocate some of their tax money? >> Yes. pay a little bit more to acquire land for open space purposes. Um,
>> where is it? It almost like everybody said yes. >> So, I guess I feel like >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> It might be a that might not be such a red flag then. Well, that's Yeah, they have to be careful, Christina, because
looking at the people who both I know who responded because I know names and some emails where there weren't names and looking at the age groups and so on, I would expect all of those people to
split about 2 to one. In other words, I think it was something like 60 something% said yes, I'd be willing to pay some more money. >> If you had a real response from the total households, which is 2500 or
something. >> Mhm. >> I think that would change a great deal. I'm afraid one to two, but I think you get maybe 30% to 60% or more who would say no. No way.
>> Like a referendum or something. >> Yeah. Largely because you have to be very specific and there was one response which you can read in full from somebody who was perfectly happy to identify himself. You can all find out for
yourselves who it was who feels that we are a stalking horse for the CPA. Can I ask a higher level question? So if we are going to take the results and we're going to come up with what our goals are. So then we'll come up with
another action plan how to reach the goals and the goals are sourced from the public participation process. What are we going to do with the data? If people respond to your email questions, what are we going to do with that data?
Okay. I think what we do with that data is we just we segregate it. We don't add it. Okay. Because we now know that these are two kinds of people as it were. They're people who got elected.
Okay. So they put up their hand and said I want to serve the town and I'm going to get stand for it because that's the planning board and the select board are both elected. The other people are volunteers.
So that already tells you that they have some sort of investment in the town which is expressed by their volunteering. Right? And I think what we do from my perspective, what you do with that information
is you then understand whether you have been able to generate something of a conversation with these people and that's about all. >> So
>> well, I just I I guess I'm still up there. So we have a conversation with them for what to try to plant the seed and say this is coming and try to get their feedback so we can incorporate their feedback so they're this likely the plant's more likely to slide through
so we don't get blindsided with opposition or I guess I'm a little confused. >> Well, okay. I I in my mind it's it's a way of ensuring that what happened last
time and Mike you said something at one of our meetings a couple of times ago I think you said that the last plan was either never accepted and or rejected by
just found that letter the other day. Yeah. I think you can't remember if it was from Hong Kong or from the select port uh or a combination of the two at the time but uh I think generally speaking they felt that we had nothing
down of everything and no more was needed. So what were we doing? >> Yeah, >> you know generally summary there general summary there. >> I went through what was is online from the talent. Okay. And there is nowhere
there a letter from the even the two important boards which are the planning board and the select board. There's supposed to be a letter that at least even acknowledges that they got it.
So part of my intention with this is to begin is to you know seed the fact that they're going to eventually get and be asked to read and think about
you know hopefully not 168 page document and it would be nice if they had perhaps done a little thought and that we had been able to opt update them. I I my idea would be that at some point as
we're moving towards a draft, we may want to update them a second time and and say um you know, we we're moving towards this and whatever else we want to say so that we
don't do what I'm afraid happened last time, which was this this huge indigestible thing landed on their plate. And um I mean I can say this cuz I know so
many of the people involved they didn't bother just didn't bother didn't look okay from a conservation profession. Is there I mean that this might be too ambitious so feel free to um pair it back but is there any
could we say you know we'd like to include you know letters of acknowledgement from these committees or boards as an attachment to the open space and migration plan when we submit it to the state. There have to be there
have to be actual responses from at least the conservation commission, the planning board, and the select board. >> Okay, good. And so we So we're just like priming them that this is coming cuz we're going to want that. We want to
submit this and we want to submit it >> like the end of this year or January. >> Well, to um I mean for the state I was thinking of the state. Oh, >> it would go like the middle of like next summer. >> We have to have another like public
information session to get feedback on the draft. I think you have to have more public >> the public. Yeah. >> So, I was thinking if we have a draft by the end of December and then we send it to the boards and committees and then we have a public information session and
then we revise it and then we send it back to the boards and committees so that we get their letter. I feel like that can be June. That's true. >> We aim for the first half of the year. >> Yeah. >> Like finish it before the summer. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. Good. >> But you're trying. >> So I'm not actually. >> So um are you happy with this as it currently now is
the the the email >> because if so we can go ahead. If not, obviously, >> I think that we I actually think that we should, you know, prime them, say, "We'd like your feedback and, you know, that
we're developing this plan and we're going to, you know, we're going to need a letter from these three groups." >> Well, oh, it does hit at the end. Okay. I only got through maybe the first half, but um no, I got most of it.
At the end of this project, various groups will be asked to review the draft and their comments in the form, the letter. It it spells it out. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. The various groups. Okay. >> They shouldn't be surprised and it, you
know, we can apprise the I mean obviously the planning board will know, right? >> Can we just write out the groups that we want cuz that will get their attention more. >> It's it's here. Okay. >> Catholics. Yeah. Third time.
>> Okay. I got commission. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> And remind me why we need the Boston to Border Trail Commission to write something about this. I think it's just because
it's a committee that is >> because they're a committee that's involved in passive and for that matter active recreation in the sense that once that trail gets done it will probably be used by things like you know 5 kilometer
runs and that kind of stuff which is what's happened in Newbury Port and other places. Yeah. And also it it's the missing link right now. It's it's the one thing right that you cannot ride
from the border to Boston because to Newbury it all falls far. >> Right. Right. Right. I just link I was trying to link it to this plan why we needed to have written comments from that or is that making it hard on ourselves? >> No, I mean I I think it makes sense in
this in in that even within my section section three >> there is uh per the workbook something about and there may be something in the recreation section also but regional >> there's something about regional
networks and transportation and all that so it fits into it >> in that sense so I don't >> I don't I don't think it hurts to have it there because they're in the optional you know there's the required groups
>> yeah oh Yeah, I mean they don't have to um but um they should know that committee should know what other plans exist in the town. For example, one of
the people who responded to the survey made a suggestion that a very active thing should happen to create a bike trail from the upper green to the Parker River. Okay. Now, there's a sidewalk of a sort
of kind through a great deal of high road on the east side, right? >> But there isn't if you try biking on on it. Yeah, I run that and it's like there are people parked on it. There's
>> road front yard taken over. It's missing. Let's put it. And and also we always riding on the hard shoulder, right? And sometimes the hard shoulders this wide and sometimes the hard shoulders that wide. Um
>> Yeah. You know, plus all the things that the new report went through and if you leave new report, it's like a sign. You're on your own now. >> Yeah. Right. Right. >> Yeah. Okay. So, >> um I
>> one thing I'd like to see in a letter like this would be to get I mean I think really what one of the things I'd like to see is what their idea of what they would
expect to see in the ultimate product here in the open space recreation plan. In other words, do they already have a set of priorities that they're working on and can, you know, how would those align with what we're doing in this
report? I mean, we would want to include that, I would think. >> So, that would be one reason why we would be writing this letter inquiring for them. >> Yeah. >> Um, doing it in the form of a survey seems like a good way in terms of, you know,
stoking the imagination. what what would I write back to the open space committee? But, you know, maybe if we're a little bit more overt about it, like saying uh we're soliciting information about the goals that come before your
boards and commissions that affect open space so that we can include them in this plan. Is there anything in particular that you'd like to see uh included, discussed, whatever? Something like that. That seems >> Yeah, that would be a good last question
to get their get their juices going on questions 1, two, and three. And then the last one is what are specific goals or priorities of your board and are there specific documents that articulate those that relate to the open space integration? Yeah, that's a really good question. >> And uh the other thing is it has the
side effect of uh you know, they they'll read the report when it comes out at least to see that stuff if nothing else. So um if you so it'll be a way to uh
anyways and it also just outlines what we're doing. Yeah, it's a title. >> I I think the spirit of it. I wonder though from a coordination standpoint if say, you know, there's a handful of board members from one particular committee committee members who receive
this and they're being asked that question, they're going to be like, well, >> we got to take it back and talk some discuss amongst ourselves. Isn't the comment period sort of where they when they've read a draft? I know we want to
incorporate their goals earlier upstream, but >> I guess I just worry a little bit that we're not clear on whether we're seeking their input >> as a me as and representing the committee itself or are we seeking their
individual view not something as an individ I don't know >> okay >> so I mean anyone who's on a board of commission has already had two chances to to answer as an individual. You know, they they could have filled out this area.
>> Yeah, I think they can choose >> and they can come to any of these meetings as well as we go to their meetings. So, I mean, I I don't think they need any special treatment in that sense, but we don't know what they're doing. So I do see that we need to sort of
>> gather that information somehow uh just to make sure that we're >> I guess I'm just you know we open you open up the letter saying just a minute or two of your day and then we're starting to ask about committee goals and other things if the ask becomes much bigger. >> Yeah.
>> So I maybe I I wonder if there's some other >> Yeah. So what is our goal? H >> well okay so uh what we could do I suppose is when we we could give them a rough draft of what our goals are and then say okay well this is what we're
thinking about what we're looking for you know input is this in alignment with what you guys are doing we were talking about this point goals we don't of course
flip it similar the rec committee we ask are there goals that you think are pertinent to >> the whole >> from your Yeah but it is really asking the goal >> that's kind of a >> or commission >> it is it's not a >> question yeah >> individual as opposed to an individual
>> unless we're sending this just to the heads of to the commission >> yeah I I don't see okay look how I I don't know Maybe a spoke on it from a different
tradition, but I see that these people volunteered to do whatever it is they're doing on whatever board or committee they're doing or to stand up for election.
And it would seem to me to ask them to to do two things. One is to make them aware that they as a result are going to have a not big time but a responsibility. They're going to be asked to read.
Okay. Um and that is a formality which is a necessary part of this right in the sense that the state wants you to do that cuz I was just thinking I was looking at something else. I mean, I've been looking at some people's plans.
Some of these people have mandated within their community that the health board gets involved. Okay. Why? Because recreation plays into health in a big way, right? Um, so I
guess my feeling simply is this is a way of of one in a sense running a flag up our pole and saying we're doing this. So don't be surprised when you get please don't be surprised
when you get this. And if you have some thoughts now which you'd like to share and and specifically sort of talking about should we in fact be as a community planning to do some things.
If they if they're not, you know, if they don't even reply, that tells you something. Not specifically about them. Maybe it does, but it also tells you about I think the hill we have to climb probably.
>> I feel like the way you just said that is really good and it's I almost do feel like the beginning intro that says, "Hey, don't forget we're over here doing this plan. We're going to need a letter from your committee." >> Um I almost don't want to ask them to answer these questions and send them
back to us. I almost feel like if you I feel like we should just be extending the offer. Um if you have specific things that you would like us to know, now is the time to tell us. And you could do like as an example, you know, are there certain goals that your
committee is working on that overlap with the open space and recreation that you want to tell us about? Like give them a couple prompts of things to think about, but then just ask us cuz I cuz I feel like that's really what we're asking for. Sean's last question basically summarize that.
>> So, and so use that question to end the letter >> and then try to get back. So, you're putting on the radar. This is what's going on. This is what's going to be expected of you and do you want to add anything which you're incorporated
in the plan or just consider any really the planning to be based on the public's response as much. more here this uh in that way
can question well you know oh yeah it shouldn't be question a query um can number one and and make the second one in perhaps a more general form which is please add any comments or suggestions
right do that a little differently that you know as you're saying this we'd like to provide you with an opportunity at this point >> something like that. >> Yeah. Based on what your specific committee is doing or board or
something. Yeah. Based on the priorities what you're working on. >> Well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What your interests are and obviously they're on the committee because those are their interests, right? >> Your interests and those of your committees. >> Okay. Yeah.
So, do you want me to have a go at recast canning one and recasting two as the only quote unquote question? Um,
>> or does somebody else want to have a go of making it more open-ended? I'm happy, you know, but I think you got a very good point, Christina, that perhaps that's more welcoming and more
inviting than saying commit yourself, which that does to somebody group. >> Yeah, this is like a group effort here. They like everyone's coming at it. It's such a good discussion. We're coming at
it from poking and proddding in a productive way, which I think is really good. So, I say why don't you give it a whirl and then maybe send it out. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Let's I'll give a try of recasting the second one and send that out to you
all. Okay. >> And leaving I think the rest of it pretty well the way it is. Um because I'm telling them things they need to know about who else is going to be
getting this. Um what we're doing the we've got responses. Is it about 190 still? What did we get in the order? >> It was it was 158 when we closed it. >> 158. >> Yeah. For the survey.
>> Yeah. The only thing that I suggest is if we like if we put some bullets like um background just to make it punchier a little bit to read. So if you did like background and then you say a girl you know a group of volunteers been doing on this and then the schedule is we're
going to have a draft document coming up soon and we're still soliciting some feedback. And so anyway that's my only suggestion is to maybe try to group it in a way that makes it really easy to read. you know, as opposed to like a lot of paragraphs >> to scan essentially.
>> Yeah. Because you know that everybody will get they'll only read like the first line of each bulleted >> section just think yeah it be good to give everybody a heads up. >> Okay. [Music]
Yeah. engagement. There's the number on the page. Oh, there we go. Okay. Now, the only other little thing here is
Satie, can we give you the task of getting all the emails we need? >> Yeah. To send out. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> And they reply back to you. Actually, people The reason being that they're going to be personal emails, I think,
and the information is not I I don't know, but the I did get a, you know, kind of flag waved in my face about, well, wait a minute, you know, you know how to reach all of us, but
you're going to have to, I think, either go to the town administrator and or the town clerk. >> Mhm. >> Because I think the town clerk is now requesting
people's emails. >> Mhm. >> And all of these groups should have had to sign the book. >> Mhm. >> Remember about the book, right? Yeah. Right. Okay.
All right. Okay. >> All right. I can do that. >> So, I will reddraft this. >> Sounds good. >> Great. >> And thanks for he really came up with
this idea and present to us when you're ask this is one of these examples >> setting us up for success. >> Yeah. Thank you. Well, I have a shall I say a semi house found
or who else? All right. So, let's hear uh more about the need to be sure and this I'm just going to hand it out. I'm not going for anything on this and it's actually a little bit relevant.
Um so uh you know we the BB Boston project I can see the acronym B2B the initials and uh um Sean and I are on
um that committee which met um for the first time was formed in June and July met in August and um this update is really about the actual project itself. Um and so I just wanted
to give an overview. We've referenced parts of it. This is um I think the easiest thing is to think of it as two phases and this is within the town of Newbury. So phase one is the south segment that goes from Georgetown
up to here by field center. The second phase goes from field center to the new port train station. Essentially phase one the south part is already underway as we've you know referenced in
meetings previously the 25% design uh there was a public hearing about that in May followed by comments so that is uh you know they've now moved on to the 75%
design um the design firm is Stantech okay who is working closely with Mass DOT in both towns. This again is the southern segment. Most of it's in Georgetown. Along the power
lines, there's the Newberg stretch coming in. I think if I had to characterize what was most relevant for this southern stretch to us is um one that if you've actually walked under the power lines there now you there's like
an interruption because the walkway by the bridge pedestrian bridge or whatever you want to call it over the stream there got wiped out. I don't know when that happened but yeah so uh something like that is included in the scope obviously of building the trail to have that be
passable and then secondly is the intersection here you know when you come out literally right at the post office the southwest corner there um across from the post office how are people going to safely
uh navigate across that intersection and where will parking be sit situated in that general area. You can really think of it as the northeast corner there uh where the church is and uh that going
from there up to um uh to Church Street itself. There's a right away there uh the power lines go through and that is going to somewhere around there there'll be a parking lot that'll accommodate 15
to 20 uh spots. So yeah, don't the the concept design concepts are being reviewed options there. There's a lot tapped into that area from a residential and commercial building that the traffic factors the oneway streets etc. So I
would say you know in terms of the progress uh the involvement in this you know month number two so far from our standpoint as a committee you know we are involved in that southern segment but the design is sort of in place. It's
really about some of the key uh you know pieces of it that we are starting to hear about. Um the timing for that design uh 75% is to have a ready for review version in November.
That's the plan. And then that would lead towards a review period. I'm not familiar enough with the details of all that. But that review period would take time because they have to go through uh approvals, feedback, cost estimates, uh
uh the rights, rightways for both private and public land. A lot could happen there. Uh construction, I've seen two dates, but heard anywhere from 2027 to 2028 when that southern section of construction will actually begin.
Fingers crossed. So you know that is moving along and is in a you know a design to uh review sort of place. The funding is it's officially a mass DOT project. So there's uh um
they call it a uh transportation improvement part of the transportation improvement program tip. Uh and I think these numbers don't quote me on them because that's what I saw. This is what I've seen on the Mass D website. The 5 million federal 1 million state
>> now. Yeah, exactly. So, >> okay. >> You know, this is my take on where the project is so far. So, that's phase one. Phase two, the northern segment um is
going to go from Church Street, the the electrical ma uh National Grid rightway continues along there and even crosses over 95, goes into Martin Burns. I don't have a map here. I apologize for that. But in general, there's going to be some
section that will likely work its way through the through the power where continuing on the power line and then on the west side of 95 most likely would continue up to hit Scotland Road where the exit is safely
go under uh the under go through the underpass there. And like I mentioned the cap where the cow tunnel was brought up. There are other alternatives being explored. Continue
going further north towards Newbury port make it over through the in other ways. All of this is going to be explored in a in this second phase. So that's the second phase is very much in sort of early uh design concept or con
conceptual stage. Um, but somehow it would work. Then the path would work from that northern area would work to the train station. You could go along Scotland Road the entire way. Not necessarily fully desirable. You have
Martin Burns. There's possibilities there. >> There's a abandoned railroad track goes from Martin Burns down those solar panels and ends up in the back of the commuter rail. That's what it looks like they're proposing right there. they are
talking about something along those lines. Yeah, I didn't put everything in here and I didn't want to have it all in writing because it can be viewed as a solution as opposed to an option, but like um you
know the the wildlife management mass wildlife has already sort of given feedback. We don't want anything like a multi-use path in Martins period. That's where they stop. >> Exactly.
>> This week Exactly. So, you know, there's there's sensitivity around it. But in in summary, there's, you know, this phase two that is the big project, the phase two project, the northern segment, but we've started now on it's the final big
bullet there, a town project to look at feasibility to advance uh the conceptual designs and start to look at alternatives alignment around them. uh you know what uh incl engage
the community similar to what we're trying to do here to get feedback. A firm has been recommended and as far as I know Tracy uh and Kristen are working to finalize the contract with KDOS. I assume in the past week or two that's
gone smoothly. So we selected a firm. went through an extensive process to uh review what they submitted to us and um the kickoff for the town project would think of it as an advancement of feasibility around everything I just talked about in this northern segment
will have to start in the fall and continue for a period of time. I don't think it's it could be one to two years roughly. You know, we haven't nailed down the exact uh timing for that. I think there
I think uh we have a fairly short timeline on the feasibility study itself and report back. The design might go on longer but >> but the the portion that we're actually funding is really just to figure out
well what are our options and to really kind of iron that stuff out. Um, some of the they may do some of the design as part of that just because obviously if it's it's if they can't design it, it's not very feasible. So
>> So we have like a little line item in the budget where we're actually paying for this. >> We do feasibility. >> Yes, it's a I did not put the price tag on this one, but it is like it's capped at 300 and something,000, you know, >> but still that's a little bit of money for
>> Yeah. And you know part of it is that it's one of the keys uh is that the firm uh you know is familiar with the mass DOT process and the requirements there including sort of high what I would call I guess initial or high level cost
estimates uh what you know an overview of the engineering plans and so on. So it's it's feasibility plus actual how it would get done at the simplest of levels and then you move on to the official
design phase the 25 and the 75 etc. So there's a long, you know, sort of pathway here to go through, but no pun intended, but uh you know, >> and uh again, the fun it is funded u they're using the money uh that would
have been used for one of the u it turns out when when uh the contractor finalized the design for the southern segment, right, there's one bridge that they didn't feel they needed to include. So that whole bit it was available to
you somewhere else and that's what we >> Oh. I remember her saying that the money is going to go away if we were in such a hurry to get this all approved. >> Yes. >> And you know as you mentioned it was at
the town meeting the co-chairs of the DD committee and David Br and John Reagan uh you know were presenting that uh KD. So we made a recommendation and Kristen and Tracy are just sort of finalizing that contract. KDson, you'll hear also
that there's a subcontractor West and Samson. So we feel good about the choice. I think >> we got these documents 125 150 pages from each of them. It's like seven very tedious to do with all those
>> all those final documents. >> Well, they were fantastic. >> They were good. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Great stuff. I mean, who knew? >> I don't know, Sean. I think you mentioned a few things in there. >> Uh, I think that covers that. Um, I just wanted to mention one thing that came up
in our meeting that seemed to uh actually belong in uh this meeting here, which was we had a a resident come by to ask if the border to Boston Trail would accommodate course
riding. And uh it doesn't but um it probably won't live I should say um uh without some sort of uh redesign to to carate uh the kind of uh pathway that would be
useful for our horse and also uh uh kind of segregate the kind of traffic that the trail is going to accommodate from horse traffic. Um but you did bring up the question of uh what is available in town for people who and there are a
number of people who are apparently uh who would like to enjoy horseback riding and so uh I thought to myself we should probably throw that in here as something uh you know coming from a community that we can look into at some point. Um I'm
not sure what we can do if anything but uh >> yeah I think that's you know uh that's wanting it to be a bridal trail and it's not there's no way you know
the the whole thing's a bit weird as far as I'm concerned it's it's wonderful because I've written from which the bit that starts in Georgetown on to the existing rail and then through Topsfield all the way down and you have these
wonderful crossings where you arrive and you whack the button and it stops all the traffic all that stuff. But no, I mean one of the problems that nobody has discussed as far as I can see, not in
your group but in in because I was involved in this in your report is you're you're creating another thing that has to be maintained at a level >> which is problematic. In other words, you know, are you going to plow it? >> Yeah.
>> For example, all of these kinds of things. And if you're talking it about it being part of a mo I come in say a multi-modal system which is how they're pushing this. The one thing you might notice is
that we're about to drop because it's not our money. So, it is our money. is everybody's tax money, >> but it's federal money and and state money have very little if any from >> there definitely is already early early
>> discussion that we don't want to burden DPW with this for the Newberry parts and that you would have something like a friends of >> exactly >> the B2B for the Newberry piece that
could be a volunteer you know based organization which other towns have have carried out. So >> the classic program who plows the parking lot. >> Yeah. And it's been noted as you know it's it's it's something that
>> you're going to have fun there too in Field Village cuz a lot of people outreed the the right way. >> Exactly. There's some encroachment already happening as you can imagine. So, but I know it's
late, so we can Well, thanks. That's interesting update. How often do you guys meet for that commitment? >> Monthly monthly. >> Yeah, we met in con more frequently for the to get the vendor
proposals reviewed and make a selection which was right one month of concentrated work I would say. So, that's right. And I uh yeah, so I'm I'm the clerk of that committee, so I'm the noteaker. I appreciate the uh the multitasking that
happens there. >> You're with Coastal Trails, right? So, you know, that's I failed to mention point that out here, but they have he was mentioning Jerry Kuma. Is that his name? >> Yeah, it could have been. >> He's been, you know, he's come to our meetings. He heads up coastal trails and
has a ton of experience in Clover City. they've already done this. So, uh they've been a great resource for us several times over. So, they know what to kind of lucky that we're coming at the lucky in one sense that there's a lot of
experience that's already been taken care of. The uh unlucky in the sense that we're the last ones to do this, >> but we'll figure it out. It's going to be right. Any other updates for the committee?
Anybody that you guys really discuss today a lot. >> Yeah, we did. All right, then. Uh, next meeting. Good job. >> We used to do the third Tuesday. >> Do we want to go back to third Tuesday?
>> Uhhuh. The fourth is election day. which is the first Tuesday in November >> and then Veterans Day next week. Yeah. Well, the third >> November 18th. >> Yeah.
>> But wait, we're only in October. Do we want to do another one? Do we want to get back onto it in October or No, >> I want to go two weeks to get back on schedule. That's all I was thinking. I'm >> both weeks. So I won't be here. So I
don't have to struggle anything. >> You can meet in two weeks. >> Maybe I can do like a quick train or >> you can keep progressing. Keep progressing.
>> Looking at the next one is a lot better. Yeah, we'll get the 4th 11th right before Thanksgiving >> cuz otherwise we'll go we'll be going in like 7 weeks. >> If we go to the third week of November,
then we're 7 weeks out from now. So >> 6 weeks. >> Yeah. >> Do we want to do like >> 28? >> The 28th and then the 11th. >> Is it a month? the 28th. >> The 28th might be tough for me, but
might be able to make Zoom happen for that night. Okay. >> Might just have to uh have like a hard stop time wise, you know. >> Maybe that can help us stay. >> Is that just >> Yeah, I can do that. Like that. That's
fine. >> Okay. probably something bad then >> there's a select board meeting that night but it's not that I know >> what are we saying >> I think
20th to 21st I guess two days we rock back and forth >> I I guess it doesn't >> 21st would be our traditional >> right >> do we want to do the 28th and then the
18th of November or we can just decide now on the on the 28th and then >> get back on schedule for the 18th. So, >> yeah, I
guess 21st. I mean the two things that are big things well we're all going to continue working on our drafts but the looking at the going through the survey and trying to >> the data and trying to come up with goals
on that >> and then updates letter >> yeah I'm like still working on the data but I can send what I have like tomorrow >> and then I can continue to send >> you both why you are >> like as I go
[Music] No, the October 21st or 28th. >> So, I have no preference. So, if anybody else has a preference, anybody have a preference over the 21st or the 28th? We want to say 28th just to give ourselves some time in between.
>> Sounds good. >> We'll just keep it snappy. >> Yeah. They'll do in person on the 28th. I do Zoom on 28th. >> Okay. Which is good cuz they're showing results. You can see on our screens. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, that' be great. >> That's true.
>> Okay. Is everyone okay? >> Zoom on the 28th at 7. >> 7. >> So, what do we say? >> Zoom on the 28th at 7. >> Oh, October. >> Yeah. 7. >> Sorry. At 700 p.m. on October 28th. >> Friday.
>> October 28th. >> Oh, October 28th. >> 7 p.m. >> Zoom. >> Uh, yeah. Um, are we going to be prepared? >> Yeah. I mean, like I said, I'm not
completely through collating all the data, but I can send what I have now and then I can just send more as I >> Right. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I'm sure to do anyway, so Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah.
>> All right. >> Okay. And and just to reiterate, you guys, Jim and Sean and Christina, you all said you'd be interested in attending the our committee meeting tomorrow if they'll allow us to kind of just jump on it second. >> Yeah.
>> I I >> You can't. >> I cannot. >> Okay. Sorry. I thought I thought you said >> That's okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. If I I I'm not sure if they'll be too keen on us jumping on so last minute. But I will I will let you know
what they said. >> Okay, great. >> Great. Then I think that's a wrap. Um to adjourn a second all there I 5