okay um the time is 5:29 and um the planning commission meeting is called to order roll call please uh Commissioner Kermes present uh Commissioner Fueling is absent uh Commissioner McMoot here
uh Commissioner Leidy is absent and Commissioner Bonia acting chair Bonia here did everybody get a a chance to look at the meetings for February 11th yes is there any comments
okay um motion to um accept those meeting moments motion to move those meetings minutes yeah I wasn't here but I'll sec can I second it they looked good am I able to second it as a chair okay I second that um all in favor i
I Okay so we're at our main event uh um Nathan would you like to walk us through the Bailey Farm Development concept plan i'm happy to um acting chair and members of the commission good evening everyone i am going to share my screen here and
hope that everyone can see it so I don't know if we have to do anything bring it up on the screen for the audience but I trust that can you turn up the volume i'm having trouble hearing i am too can you hear me a little better as loud as you is this mic working for you okay
i'm going to try and talk loud and we'll work through it if you do this I'll try and talk a little louder okay okay so I think the the team is going to bring this presentation up shortly um I've got a presentation that I prepared i know the planning commission you can
see it up here at the dis um we have a concept plan application in from a couple of uh developers that are working together it's uh called the Bailey Road apartment concept plan although as we'll discuss there are a couple of different
users of this property and it's one that the city has city planning commission has talked about before so we're looking at a smaller uh part of that Bailey site that's on the north side of Newport uh as as you all know
the Bailey site is uh in the city of Newport that the the white area is the portion that's in the city of Newport of course the Bailey's own other other land that's in the communities of Woodberry and Maplewood uh the subject property that we're looking at this evening is a is a
portion of that site roughly 10 11 acres in that area uh and you can see the red square on the screen that is the current subject property as an as a highle overview uh we've got two unadressed parcels that are part of this Newport site the zoning
that the city of Newport has is B1 which is the city's business park zoning district uh there is a small portion of the site that's within the city's shoreland overlay we'll talk about what that means the future land use classification for this property is mixed commercial and
residential as I mentioned the site is about 11 acres in size that's of a total uh within a total site area of about 36 and a half gross acres and the proposal that we're looking at this evening the concept uh that we've received contains one multif
family building uh the concept that we looked at had 172 units although we have gotten a uh revised concept plan from the developer that has 193 units and there is a gas station convenience store a quick trip located on the other part
of the proposed concept um the site plan so without further ado here is the concept plan that was included in the staff report for this site uh this concept plan was received and uh reviewed by staff at a high level and we'll talk about what we've reviewed and
and uh get into that a little bit later here on on this concept plan you see on the west side we'll call it west half of the site roughly you've got that real estate equities multifamily building
this concept plan shows 172 units on the east part or the right side of this site you see that quick trip building and how it would be located on the site uh I just want to make a note that you know this concept planning process is pretty fluid u the
development teams have not quite gotten all of their site plans all completely figured out there's a lot to to continue to dial in for for the developers so um that is why you'll see a couple of different site plans from me as we go through this because they are still working through the concept
themselves so with that said uh we did receive an updated concept that was uh not reviewed um in great detail in the staff report but we can talk about it um here so what you see on the concept is it look and if you look at just the areas that have the the color on the on
the plan those are the areas of this site if the area on the um left side of this plan the west side of the site that's grayed out is is not the subject um that we're talking about this evening so if you look at the area that's colored in you see again that you have
the multif family building on the left side of the site or the west side and the gas station on the right side the quick trip um just a little bit about this PUD concept plan review process um the
purpose of this process is to uh really provide feedback to the developers prior to the um stage of development where they put a lot more detailed designs forward so it's it's an opportunity for the developer to receive feedback from the city and the community members it's
also an opportunity for uh the city to provide um you know identify potential concern areas of concern or other things at an early stage in the development process to really help provide that clear feedback i just want to u make sure that it's clear that this process
is only advisory there are no decisions made at this time by the city so um just to look a little bit at the zoning and future land use guidance we have on the site before we get into the site plan uh the city's B1 zoning district is is the business park office
and warehouse district and it's intended to provide locations for office warehouse and related business uses in a business park setting we'll talk about um how this uh proposal relates to the existing zoning and what we're going to what staff recommend the path would be
to move forward i'll also mention that the future land use u designation here from the comprehensive plan is u pretty broad and it does allow for uh this type of a proposal with something like a multif family residential project and a
commercial like the quick trip so uh here is the city's comprehensive plan the the future land use map you'll see up on the um northeast part of this map that is the subject property and it's guided again
mixed commercial and residential we looked at the future land use maps from the neighboring communities to get a better understanding of what is expected to get developed around this site because Newport like a puzzle piece you know kind of fits into the overall
um area and so on the west side we have Maplewood um they've guided their the area around this site for mixeduse neighborhood and that means generally speaking a neighborhood serving commercial retail or service businesses
offices and medium to high density housing in Woodbury there are two different designations for the land around this site uh the land just north of Bailey Road is guided mixed use which means places to shop or work you could imagine things like highway commercial
uses maybe some highdensity housing potentially uh north of there the city of Woodbury has the land guided for business park type uses so that's things a little bit more in line with the um like light industrial type uses that
you'll see so uh just in case we need to reference it here again is that overall picture of the entire area with the area in Newport circled in black okay so and I also did want to show this is not the concept we're reviewing
tonight but it is the area that's around the devel proposed this is a concept the city recently reviewed and it you can see how this current concept would fit into um the area if you're looking at the screen the cursor is kind of hovering over this outlot that's about
11 acres here again is that concept just for reference before we jump into the analysis so I did want to talk about uh the city's comprehensive plan so as I mentioned the uses proposed here are
allowed uh in the comprehensive plan the the comprehensive plan provides a really broad density range from between seven and 50 units per acre um the city provides more specific density limits be through its zoning and so in this case
with the B1 there's not a specific density range that's been assigned through the zoning ordinance so um you could have theoretically that whole range uh what's proposed here um the 172 unit building with the way that
we're looking at the site which is to have the residential building and quick trip together as one um it would be 17 units per acre approximately uh if we look at the 193 unit proposal we're looking at about 19 units per acre
both of those proposals are within the range that's allowed by the city in its mixeduse zoning districts so if we were to reszone for example and provide a little bit more specific control on the density range this use would still be within the range of density that's
allowed in several zoning districts so speaking about zoning as I mentioned the B1 is this current zoning district here in the B1 district no residential uses are allowed uh and gas station and service centers are are permitted
uses so in terms of options to move forward my recommendation would be uh to reszone the area that we're looking at now to the city's MX3 which is the general mixeduse zoning district uh this would create base standards that the
development would have to comply with it would also create that density range that's more consistent with some of the areas outside of um the MX2 which is the transit oriented zoning district there are a couple of other options the city has the city could just approve a
planned unit development that would create specific standards for this area but then we would have to write very specific uh standards with respect to like design standards and other things that may not be um provided for in the in the business
zones there there is another option that would be to reszone this area to R2 again I don't think that's the best option but is something the city could consider so you might have questions on that we can certainly get into those if if you'd like to in terms of the city's shoreland overlay
there is a thousand foot buffer that's created from the shore of Rio Lake that's a natural environment lake by definition the city has an impervious surface limit within the buffered area of 25% so that means that lot coverage
cannot exceed 25% impervious um it there is also a couple other things that are are impacted land uses in the shoreland area sometimes need cups so commercial uses may require a
cup and um with all applications that involve development in the shoreland the DNR would have the ability to comment so that's just a normal part of the review process but something worth noting so I don't expect everyone to read this table um but what what it
really tells us is we did the a review for um the standards that the city has in in the zoning districts we're looking at and generally speaking it looks like the development can meet the city's basic uh base standards for things like
lot area width depth and then setbacks and again I will say that you know this is a part of the process where we're looking at things that are relative relatively high level so as the development moves forward we would really look um to ensure that every single one of those standards is is hit
um and so I know that sometimes with the plans in flux it can be hard so I did also want to talk about some of the review that we've done to date on the site plan and the design uh there's a number of areas that we look at that you can see on the screen i'll start with the the highle
considerations for the site design uh one I think this area is is definitely considered by the city as a gateway to the city of Newport especially as you're traveling along Bailey Road coming from Woodbury perhaps um so that's important
from a design standpoint uh staff are also looking at land use compatibility so how do these two plus uses work together um one benefit of um having residential near commercial
amenities is the walkability that it creates for those who live there another another potential thing to consider though is some of those impacts from noise or or light from some of those uses and how uh we can help to avoid some some negative impacts through site
design uh we also look at connectivity to and through the site so thinking about how folks would be using this area from transportation are you walking or biking or driving through here uh looking at the structures and how they're located on the site um potentially thinking about how their
massing can work uh looking at um parking and where that's located and having it be primarily screened if we can uh we're looking at the storm water areas and you can see on on the site plan on the screen here that would be
located on the the southeast corner of the site along Bailey Road uh so you could use the storm water area as an area that serves the site as an amenity as well as a storm water management so think about things like a walking path around it or higher
landscaping or things like that lastly we are looking again at at landscaping and and using that to our benefit from both design but also from if we need to do things like screening or things like that so those are some of the kind of high level considerations as we dive
into the facades and the building materials proposed um we're a little bit far away from having exact designs proposed by these developers but they are aware of the city's development or design standards and one of those things is the materials proposed on the
buildings so the we did ask for renderings of what the buildings might look like to get an idea um here's the example of that Bailey Road apartment building again the developer for that is Real Estate Equities and they're here this evening and we'll have some more to share about their building with
you and we also have the Quick Drip building that you can see on the screen uh unsurprisingly they have a pretty um strong theme throughout a lot of their other sites so you'll see um what some of those similar design characteristics
you've seen before all right and so I did want to talk a little bit about landscaping and tree preservation not a lot of trees on the site right now it's kind of an active agricultural field so uh there will be some minimal tree removal although there would be some um and then
there are there is landscaping standards that we would be looking at um the future plans to comply with one thing to mention is that landscaping can be used strategically for screening and so we look at how we how these buildings can kind of be
separated a little bit from each other um one of the things that we can do is use trees and and other vegetation as a way to to help um break up the the site so I want to talk now about parking we've got a I've got a table on the
screen again I don't expect everyone to to read this but we looked at the stalls that are required for parking um the quick trip site meets the required amount of parking so I didn't include that in this table here i looked at the multif family building and wanted to
understand how how many stalls were required versus proposed and with the 172 unit building we're looking at a total required stall count of 408 on that site plan there were 30 parking stalls proposed so there is a
little bit of a difference there uh about 100 parking stalls if you look at a parking ratio you're looking at a requirement of 2.7 stalls per unit with uh 1.75
proposed the 193 unit building is u creates a parking stall requirement of 463 with 315 stalls proposed so that's about 150 unit difference again if you're looking at the parking ratio
you're looking at 2.4 stalls required per unit versus as required as opposed to 1.63 stalls per unit provided um I will say that the city has a relatively high parking requirement for multif family buildings
in particular um one of the ways that it's higher is that all one-bedroom units are required to have 1.5 um stalls per unit which is a little higher than what I would say is standard okay um access and circulation
just a couple of points here um this is part of a larger development that has a couple of different access points along Bailey Road so those are taken into consideration by the developers there's been a a series of meetings with the the city of Newport Woodbury and Maplewood on location of the public roads in this
area that may be installed in the future so that coordination remains ongoing uh the access here shown here is um generally consistent with what what's expected um in terms of circulation on the site there's internal circulation that we'll
be looking at and the site plans as I mentioned are a little bit fluid we just want to make sure that u circulation is going to work for for all all of those users of the area one thing uh that the developers will want to consider moving forward is like snow storage and where some some of those fine
grain details can be worked through another thing to mention is sidewalks and trail connectivity right now in this site plan we're seeing sidewalks serving the residential use uh moving forward we'll want to see sidewalks that surround the site and provide good
connectivity around this area uh I did have an opportunity to receive comments from the city's engineering and public works team i just have those summarized on the screen for you here um in terms of water and sewer connectivity uh those utilities will be
brought in from the west where there is a current terminus on I think it's Sterling um and then in terms of water pressure and fire flow there's enough water pressure to meet the minimum requirements but for fire flow there
would need to be an interconnect with Woodbury to be used for emergency purposes for for sprinkling and we can go into these uh comments uh further if you would like but I'm going to keep moving so we have the planned unit development goals the
city's ordinance creates goals for planned unit developments um and we've talked about those before so again I'm going to kind of move through this but we can certainly come back if you would like to get into the weeds here there's also minimum standards for developments
to be applicable for a planned unit development but this is what I wanted to get to in terms of planned unit development review so the planned unit development is a process that the city provides flexibility to developers in return for
uh some amount of public benefit so the flexibility is given on the basis of getting something that's typically better and so with the deviations here from the city's ordinance the things that I'm looking at right now and of course con conceptual in nature so things are subject to change but we're
looking at potentially um deviations to things like building height for example that's possible um structure setbacks is possible i think parking is is a certainty with the way that the ordinance is written out things that could be identified include other standards in the city's code that we
have haven't reviewed in really deep detail at this time uh public benefits the city's you know receiving should be considered here and and some of some things you might see in the narrative um include housing options so
the develop developers providing a number of affordable units some of them are in um a greater quantity than we already have in the city for things like three plus bed units house uh higher design so the city
could receive a development that's got good coordination across the entire development on the design has a strong theme higher quality building materials etc and then lastly um commercial commercial amenities close to housing so that that could be perceived as a
benefit as well okay so I did want to mention that a public hearing was posted for the planning commission meeting last month um that was cancelled because we needed a little bit more time to work through some of the elements of the site so apologies to anyone that was sent a notice and and unfortunately we didn't
have the meeting but appreciate that everyone is here this evening um the notice was published in the city's newspaper and sent to those adjacent or surrounding property owners to my knowledge we haven't gotten any formal written comments received to the city u but certainly if people have comments to
provide in writing they are absolutely welcome to to send them in uh there Oh sorry um city administrators let me know did receive one comment so appreciate appreciation to anyone that's provided those comments um in terms of upcoming engagement opportunities I just wanted
to mention before the city holds that public hearing that there is a public open house tentatively planned for May 21st that will be held right here at Newport City Hall uh I think it's 5:00 p.m uh to 6 p.m so that would be an
opportunity for folks to come and ask questions about the development it will be informal just um staff and developers available to answer questions um there is also the required environmental review EAW that would be done on this
development folks are able to comment on that in addition to uh preliminary plat and planned unit development comments as well so okay yep and I'm just want to clarify on the open house that it would be held in the fire training room downstairs so
and then if if anyone has questions they are absolutely welcome to contact uh the city staff at any time so just want to provide a little bit again on on the process i'm almost done here so I appreciate your patience uh we have a concept plan that's been
submitted here uh the city will review it and provide feedback there will be a city council meeting that follows this one where they'll have an opportunity to provide their their feedback after that this developer and the developer for the larger site would work together on an
EAW that's an informal environmental review that would be processed and there will be a public comment period there after that's wrapped up um the develop developers can come back and request a preliminary plat and planned unit development um you've seen those before
and that would be the next you know that would be the stage where they actually get the entitlements to to build the project so that's what that looks like um as mentioned we'd be looking at a probably a combination of different applications at that
stage so uh my recommendation is to provide some feedback to us as staff and the developers this evening got a couple of basic ideas of what you could discuss here um but I also mentioned that the developers are here and have presentation that they've prepared for
you as well so my recommendation to you at this point is to hear a brief presentation from both real estate equities who's proposing the apartment building and then a quick trip who's proposing the the trip and then follow
that with a um public hearing uh you'd have to take an action to open that afterwards so that's what I have for you thank you for your attention thank you Nathan um is there any questions from the commissioners before we invite the I have a few but we can wait till after
maybe they'll answer some of them okay um so I'd like to invite the um is it contractor uh yeah so it' be the developer the applicant developers okay up to the podium please please state your name and um the organization that you're with
hello commission chair and commissioners i'm Alex Bazans i'm a partner with Real Estate Equities so I think we got the presentation pulled up here um the first slide is just a little background on our company so Real Estate Equities has been around since 1972 it's a St paulbas based multif family real estate
development and management company um we currently own and manage about 4,500 units uh which are primarily in Minnesota uh as well as Arizona uh one of the key distinctions to you know our company is that we we manage all the projects that we build uh we don't do
any thirdparty management um and we own these projects long term uh and have on-site uh property managers and site staff on site next slide uh this is just an example of a couple of projects that we've built within the last couple of years uh I think it pres provides kind
of an example of the exterior quality of the projects that we're building uh the first one is Aster House in Egan the second one is Arbor Court in St louis Park uh the third one we just finished called the Landing in Admiral Fields in Rosemount and the fourth one is actually under construction and that's the reserve at Settller's Ridge in
Woodbury next slide um this slide is just kind of complementing the last one it shows the interior finishes uh that we do at our projects um it's just a combination of uh some kitchen photographs at our Egan project St louis Park as well as Rosemount
uh as well as just some commonary photos of the lobbies um and uh and party rooms in those in those projects uh the next site plan again this is the most recent version um it's still a work in progress but uh this
shows the latest uh edition of the site plan which shows 193 units on site uh the current unit mix that we have is 20% one-bedroom units 40% two-bedroom units 35% 3bedroom units uh as well as 5% four-bedroom units uh the total number
of parking stalls proposed is 315 uh 1979 of those are are covered underground parking uh with an additional 136 uh covered park or uh surface parking uh one of the key distinctions I want to mention here too
and Nathan kind of mentioned this is um I think this unit mix a it's going to provide a quality housing option for families uh we're expecting given the size of the units and the number of units uh with higher concentrations of bedrooms um it'll be a differentiated
you know apartment uh product type and product offering in the market that isn't necessarily here um which I think will be good for Newport next this is just some conceptual ideas we've been talking about activating the site to the best of our ability creating
some walkways creating some green space activating the the pond that's going to be on the Quick Trip site that we think will be kind of a shared uh pond that we'll both probably utilize so these are some things you can do to kind of activate those spaces and make them more inviting and these are just examples of
you know a trellis uh some benches uh picnic tables and things like that walkways uh again this is an example of the rendering this is the first rendering we've done um Cass Wilson our architect is here as well petro and Christian are here they can comment on
any specific design related items that come up but I think uh this is just a good example of uh what we would propose to build uh the next slide is kind of the building details so community amenities so we have a fitness center planned
again a club room party room uh underground parking um we'd like to figure out ways again like I was just saying to kind of activate outdoor recreation to the extent we can uh you know we we do a top lot uh on projects which is a uh playground ultimately for
for kids to use uh and then we definitely would have an outdoor patio with a barbecue as well um unit amenities uh we do in-unit washers and dryers stainless steel appliances granite countertops um and high quality
cabinetry um this is just a little bit about the affordability requirements so with the financing program for the project uh we do have income restrictions at 60% of the area median income uh for a you know single individual that's
$55,620 of annual income for a family of four it's just under $80,000 uh the rent ranges uh which are listed there at 60% AMI which are the max rents uh are 1400 for a one-bedroom 1676 for a two-bedroom 1933 for a three
and 21.49 for a fourbedroom unit um you know compared to speaking to market rents those rents for new class A market rate apartments are a few hundred dollars below you know the market standard for rents in the subm market um and then there's just another data point
about the median household income in Newport at 63,400 um you know shows that there's 57% of renters that are facing housing cost burden i think um you know the income levels um and the product
offering of the apartments um you know there'll be a lot of demand for that um particularly with the unit mix that we're that we're proposing um and I think that's it so I'm available to answer any questions you all have i don't know if Scott if
you want to say anything or Good evening Madam Chair members of the planning commission my name is Scott Tyen i'm a vice president with the Quick Trip Stores uh headquartered in Lacrosse Wisconsin i'll give you a little background of Quicktrip uh we started in
1965 and were we're an offshoot of a company called Gateway Foods who was grocery distribution company started a little uh chain of grocery stores called Rainbow Foods back in the 80s um and and us evolving from the grocery
distribution uh side of the business is why QuickRip is so strong in the grocery business as opposed to the Circle Ks Speedways the world that are primarily gas and uh beef jerky um so we're we're just much
stronger in the grocery business um like I say we started in 196565 with our first store in Oaklair Wisconsin and we've grown now to uh just just hit 900 stores so little breakdown
there is we got 500 stores in Wisconsin 220 in Minnesota 150 in Iowa two in Illinois six in Michigan and 11 in South Dakota so um one question that always comes up is why when you get into Iowa
um is it Quickstar why when you get in Illinois is a Quickstar so in 1988 we met it's kind of funny we met in Waterlue Iowa with a company called Quick Trip with a Q and they were coming up from Tulsa and we were coming
down from Lacrosse and we met in Waterlue and we were at the time because we have our own bakery have our own dairy plant we were selling four loaves of bread for a dollar and milk for 99 cents a gallon and uh when we'd
advertise on the radio the customers couldn't tell Q from K and they were registered four days ahead of us in Iowa so we had to change our name that's why we're Quickstar out of Wisconsin Minnesota and the UP just a little interesting side note we get
asked that question all the time um like I say we're headquartered in Lacrosse we are the most vertically integrated convenience store chain in the United States maybe in the world with our own dairy um the milk from the cow that's
getting milked right now as we speak will be in our dairy plant tomorrow morning processed and on the truck to our stores tomorrow night at this time so 24 hours from the cow to the store nobody else could even think about doing something like that and the milk is
super fresh uh like I say we're the most vertically integr ourselves so we have control um everybody eats healthy but we do sell four million B doughnuts a week there's no there's no there's no
calories in the hole um but what what really separates us uh from uh our competition is we share 40% of what we make with our co-workers we have 40,000 co-workers that's and we're
all as one not store by store by store but we're all one team and uh so last year that 40% profit sharing equated to about a 12% on top of their W2 income as a cash bonus and about 7% into the
retirement plan so we have 40,000 co-workers that act and work like owners because 40% of it's theirs really it's why it's why we're different in our store we we just have a higher caliber
of people when we'll we'll generally hire 40 to 50 people in a store not unusual to have 300 applications so we never have had problems with uh uh co-workers and shortages of of
employees um do you want me to go into our site plan a little bit at this point sure could you put it up on the on the screen Nathan please so it's our it's our typical store it it'll look just like the stores we got in Lake Elmo and our newer stores um
those particular stores I'm going to talk about Lake Elmo are Gen Two stores this is a Gen 3 store it's a little bit bigger has two entrance points uh sorry I'm bringing it up now apologies and we'll have 10 gas pumps out in front
and our proposal is is to have two lanes of side diesel uh which is on the Well not that's not the best one not the one yeah if you could go back to the one that matches with the with the drawing here
i could probably just use this old school there we go all right so So right now our proposal has the two lanes of side diesel here we're we've been asked to at least address see if we could move it move the side diesel to this side or
in back here the problem that in moving that is that there's access issues out here in Century and I I think we're going have to fight like crazy to get it any kind of access with the county out there so assuming we have to stick with
this plan we would do some serious heavy landscaping along here to screen these customers i know you're going to call them tenants i'm going to call them customers we want to screen these customers from
having to see this now this is not a truck stop so will there be some diesel trucks in here sure there will be but in the evenings this will be a very quiet area an advantage of putting the diesel pumps here as opposed to over here is
that this will put the car wash blower on this side the car wash blower is would be a bigger issue for the the people here than the diesel pumps in my opinion but we we'll get that all worked out one way or the other so here's our
store car wash is down here and here's the gas islands pretty simple any questions for me we good i could go on and on on sales of bananas are 29 cents a pound this week
thank you Scott this is going to be a 24-hour operation that's the intent yes it's a 24-hour society anymore thanks Scott thank you going forward I do want to um just a reminder um if you do want to make a statement you you do
have to come up to the podium so if if um Sorry no no no it's okay okay um is that Yeah we need a motion to open okay um a motion to open the public hearing motion move open
um Hi my name is Dean Nelson i live within 500 ft hold on is there a second motion okay all right um the time now is 609 and the public hearing is open go ahead sir i live within 500 ft of where they want to put the quick trip and I'm
totally against it especially if it's a 24-hour operation um sir just one moment can you state your name again and your Dean Nelson dean Nelson okay and your address 6335 Bailey Road okay thank you Dean i'm just
barely second house into Woodbury so I'm against this quick trip being put there because you know you have a biking walking running path out there and you have a lot of people that use it and you also got a big problem with people speeding on Bailey so you're going to
put a lot of people at risk all these think about it thousands of cars will be pulling in and out to Quick Trip every day and you got people that are walking on the path walking their dogs you got the high school track team running down that path how are you going to protect
all these people from these vehicles that are going to be going in and out like thousands of them every day i I think there's a better place to put the creek trip and the apartment building you got two big pieces of land on 7th Avenue there right along Highway
61 down by Glenn Road there's two big parcels that would be a much better place to put the quick trip and the big apartment building i think this you know that Bailey land it's a nice piece of land i think it should be like high buck
homes and town homes and nothing else that's what I think and you know I sit out on my deck and I see that speed limit on Bailey should be if there's going to be development like this there that speed limit should probably be
dropped to 30 miles an hour cuz I sit out on my deck and I watch cars passing each other right in front of my house even when the speed limit's 55 these people drive like there's no tomorrow down that road i'm telling you that
speed limit needs to be dropped way down i don't see why 30 miles an hour isn't adequate enough for people especially if you're going to put a development there but I can't see when I bought my place four years
ago I didn't want to be across that close to like a a service station a huge apartment building i mean you got better parcels to put that the quick trip and the big apartment building right down there
along 61 on the west side um like I said I think that parcel that land should be for high buck homes and town homes and nothing else that's my opinion and like I said there's going to be a lot of people put at risk with all these
vehicles that are going to pull in and out to the quick trip and the apartment building you're going to have to do something to protect these people from getting run over and I guess that's about all I have to say i hope you listen to what I say
about that walking biking hiking path there okay um thank you Dean okay thank you anybody else hi my name is Johnny Deay i live at 1211 Century Avenue South
Maplewood uh in this process of developing Bailey Farms um we want to make sure Newport Maplewood Woodbury um the counties Washington County Ramsey County are considerate cognizant of our concerns
the initial plans sorry of pushing Century Avenue South uh through at Century A or Carver Avenue to Bailey Road century Avenue South is hilly think of the ski jump that's on the other side
of the freeway uh with elevation narrow due to the lake pond and creek and homes utility power lines and winding uh roads uh leaving little room for
pedestrians uh speed limit fluctuates from 30 down to 10 miles an hour at points or 15 mph at points uh the the road currently provides access points to Cover Lake
Park in both sides of Fish Creek Park our property borders both parks and we've never felt so far away from a park and our neighbors due to it already unsafe road conditions and lack of paths uh race car clubs high-speed
police chases we've had it sunny summer day beach traffic and mountain bikers driving their bicycles to the park traffic fluctuates significantly uh one neighbor was critically injured while
retrieving mail and my family has had to jump into the ditch with our infant in stroller to escape racing cars and both lanes of traffic uh simply pushing the road through will make pedestrian safety
worse not to mention street lighting which would be an eyesore uh considering wildlife we get dozens of deer a day we're after turkeys uh turtle habitat etc i'm out several times each each year shoveling dead
animals off our road uh as such we ask that traffic and pedestrian safety to be cons key considerations in the overall uh planning of this land uh will be tuned in to Newport along with Woodberry and uh Maplewood's planning of this land
and we appreciate your hearing of our concerns and thank you for your transparency and uh commitment to the community thank you Johnny thanks hi this is my first time coming to any of these so nice to see you all can you
state your name and your address please yes i'm Janelle Ericson i live at 1160 Century Avenue South and like Mr nelson and Mr demay I also am very concerned about traffic and specifically on Century Avenue extending that south of
where it currently is um like he said there it's limited on on how you can get sidewalks extra lanes in there there are houses there's water there's deep ditches i've also been run off the road walking my dog and people are speeding
like crazy and it's not enforced also there are houses at the south south end of that and I'm wondering can you expand a little more on the plan for that specific road because if I'm looking at this is the right side of this Century
Avenue on this drawing i guess I can hold it here no it's not so we have Bailey Road here which one is this this would be Century so this would be an extension from Century
no yeah because it's out there now so no well Century Avenue turns south and turns to extend through they'd have to extend through so would they be removing houses no no no um so there's Century Avenue which is
located in Newport and it is not connecting through to Bailey uh from the south section of Century Avenue north right there's a number of it is no in Newport okay so where it turns onto Carver
Avenue uh in Maplewood yes okay so that that portion would connect from north to south hypothetically it would be a plan that the county potentially might do okay so
if our neighborhood has concerns about that road we would reach out to Washington County or Ramsey Washington both both okay correct um with that said we are going to have the open house we will invite Washington County uh and and
to that open house it's going to be May 21st it'll be right here at city hall downstairs in our fire training room okay the city of Woodbury is confirmed to be there the developer will be there and we will invite Washington County um to to have somebody there to answer some
questions so please folks feel free to come out there uh again you know there'll be more information and then um I might be a little late to the party here but what's the estimated timeline for this development so u just just so the planning commission knows the
um it's not typically a back and forth with the public hearing that being said I am happy to answer this question if directed so the um the general timeline for the this is a concept plan review um the follow-up city council meeting would be
the next step in this process that's going to be within the next several weeks uh I think it's on the you'll have to remind me on the specific date on the 17th of April um and so uh that would be the last step in the concept plan review but then this whole
area would be in Newport at least would be an EAW and so that's typically a an EAW thank you is an environmental assessment worksheet it's a formal environmental review and uh that's a six-month or so process and so that would happen it's a it's a public
process facilitated by the city and the Minnesota Environmental Quality Board there's a public comment period as part of that and then after that there would be another I'll call it like six months or so typically of of
review of entitlements so long story short there there is a long process ahead for any development to move forward cool thank you for letting me break protocols and thanks for answering my questions thank you Janelle yeah my name is Jerry Lee um
280 bay cord i got a couple things first one I want to talk about the map there the little triangle near the bottom left there's a tiny piece of our own property it doesn't belong to the city i called
somebody some time ago i don't know if you paid attention or corrected okay so so that little triangle there is our property okay i want to point it out first so I want to ask a bigger
question have you consulted with Washington County on Bailey Road expansion because that will need some space do you want to answer yeah chair and members of the planning commission happy to answer that question as well um so
the city or Washington County has a comprehensive plan that has its plans for that road corridor so that is a county road and an expansion will be done on the county's timeline according to their own plans uh that being said this uh the city staff and the
developers have been meeting with the cities of um Woodbury and Maplewood for the last year or so on this larger development and those meetings have included the Washington County team to help keep them in the loop so those staff should be u well informed about
what's being proposed here and if there are questions about the future plans for the Bailey Road corridor I would uh suggest reaching out directly to the county's transportation staff so So my question is if there if they make it the
four lane bay road do they need do they need a space to push towards the north and then that will impact this plan does it commission would you like me to answer that so yeah in in in brief when we when
we get in an application we're looking at what the future needs are for right of way my understanding is the city would have adequate right of way in order to help sorry the county rather would have adequate right of way to facilitate any necessary improvements
thanks N okay my second major question is Bailey Road is already a nightmare in terms of traffic how does this new thing
impact this problem further how how what's your plan to address that traffic problem when you are dealing with this well Jerry I think part of the reason that we're having a public hearing is so that you know we could hear from you like from the
community as to what you think um you know the impacts would be so it's very helpful to have you here um and just expressing your concerns especially when it comes to like the risk for pedestrians um so I think um to Nathan's
point it's the public hearing is not intended to be a back and forth is more of like the public letting us know what their concerns are for this project okay all right thank you yeah the other comment we may have
if you put a gas station into their um so the gasoline I guess have a chance to leak into our the soil and drinking water how does this plan address that concern
wow we all use well water you have well water yeah yeah we Yeah so the gasoline get into the water and then we we're going to drink it okay all right um Jerry we we'll make a
note of that okay that concern okay okay thank you thank you um my maybe last uh comments do you have more plan coming down the road oh those are the only plan do you have more plan coming down as far as development or Okay um would the city
like to answer that yeah uh I can I can maybe start in and city administrator can jump in so um chair and members of the commission the this concept plan is part of a the larger site in Newport of 40 acres and so the city has already reviewed a concept plan for the rest of
the approximately 40 acre site so those are the plans that are on file with the city um the other areas of this Bailey air uh property or site are within the communities of Woodbury and Maplewood and those communities would have to you know be able to respond on whether
they've received any concept plans so Joe uh additionally I would encourage everybody to come out May 21st at 5:00 pm here at city hall we did invite um staff from the city of Woodbury they've confirmed they can make it we'll have folks uh the developers uh will be there
um including the two you've heard from tonight and also United Properties uh and United Properties did a concept plan review with the city uh I think it was last summer um and so so we'll have all the folks uh that will be involved in Newport will be there and we'll be able
to kind of ask some questions uh you know in an openhouse format um so come out and learn i'd encourage any folks watching on TV to please uh come out and check it out and um we will invite Washington County and their traffic folks and their engineers so I'm fairly
uh confident we can get them here too because we've heard uh the issue about traffic and of course expanding and things like that i I know with the gasoline that's probably an MPCA Minnesota Pollution Control Agency but I can assure you in talking with Quicktrip they follow all uh required
environmental permitting and things like that in order to have the gasoline so I I I would say you know it will be addressed and it won't be an issue but um but I would encourage folks to come out because I think a lot of your questions could potentially be uh answered uh maybe at that open house and
then through this process okay um maybe last one I I don't know it's the comments or not if you put 200 units and then times 304
um say we're going to put a thousand people something um is there a safety concern for the city of Newport i don't know i'm just throwing out there sure are you saying specifically like crime is that what
you're saying yeah yeah yeah yeah robbery okay all right we'll note that thank you Terry anyone else like to make a comment my name is Marilyn Pierce 6315 Bailey also in Woodbury we're the first h um property in Woodbury and I guess
just to make a point again my biggest issue or concern I guess is the traffic as you've heard many times Bailey Roads a mess as far as the traffic right now so I would assume there's going to have
to be some traffic control someplace i would assume that the apartment building in Quick Trip would want some sort of traffic control there and just not having any idea at this point from Washington County and I know you have no control over that but what they're
planning and maybe they have an idea i actually did talk to someone in the Washington County Transportation Department this afternoon and all they it could indicate to me that is the in three to five years is when they expect
construction to happen on Bailey Road at least that's what they told me this afternoon here so I guess again for the it's probably a fairly small number of us that live along Bailey Road there compared to the impact it's going to have or the people that might be living
in there the whole of Newport but for us it's a big deal and um we sometimes try and cross Bailey Road to get over to the path but I don't try and do it very
often just because it's too dangerous the other thing is uh the point that was brought up about the safety of the water our property actually has a covert coming from this property underground
onto our property and so I guess I would really like to know how that's going to be addressed thank you um thank you acting chair and members of the commission i do want to just make one comment because we've
heard a theme that this may help address some questions um with respect to the locations along Bailey where there would be roads extended north uh there would there would there are two locations that are on either side of the property in
Newport at those locations we would expect at this time based on preliminary conversations that these are improved intersections that have traffic lights and crosswalks and things of that nature they'd be fully improved so I that's
just for your information and for any members of the public who may have questions thank you Nathan good evening Roger and Melody Anderson 2730 Carver Avenue uh Bailey Nursery uh borders my house on two sides and this
is where they're be running this Century Avenue through to Bailey uh I heard vaguely about city services were you picking the sewer up for this project is it coming from Newport do you want to answer that yes I'm happy
to so uh members of the commission the sanitary sewer and water main that would serve this development area would be brought from the west u that alignment of the sewer and water is not something that we know at this point uh we do know
where the current terminus at is is at the intersection of Sterling and Lee so it's coming from Newport it's going to be coming through Newport utilities will come uh to this development from Newport yeah for you guys so Woodbury no
clue where they're hooking up to their sewer system maplewood no clue where they're going to get their sewer system from uh I know Woodbury has utility service for their area i I I'm not sure about Maplewood okay yeah okay well there is
Well there is no sewer there's no sewer or water on that portion of Carver from 494 to 494 on Carver Century there is no sewer and water there's a line going through but not accessible without you know going through multiple people's
homes and developments of their property so I just heard you guys say sewer water but I didn't hear where it was coming through and then has Maplewood come into this meeting in the 21st have they acknowledged they haven't been invited um there's no
plans that I'm aware of uh that occur within the city of Maplewood at this point so I am aware of concept plans with the city of Woodbury and obviously we have the concept so Maplewood's sitting on our hands for now well they haven't confirmed yeah they So
they're sitting on her hands they're not They're not They're not coming as far as you know I have a meeting with them next week and I Well I just I know you they have a great you guys sent something out for us that you know aren't even Newport residents but I
think people are really confused because you guys just have that 40 acre parcel there that you're trying to work on where Woodberry has a massive piece of that probably that goes all the way to Carver Lake Park and then
Maplewood on the other side coming button up behind and my home and few others so and then them two meet and that's where their proposed road is but there's 23 blind driveways on Century Avenue
going around that lake 23 and I don't know if you driven down there if you driven down from the park down that hill go drive it in the winter time sometime and then you're going to send semi traffic through there because you're going to build commercial
buildings in the back half of Woodbury according to the site plan you're going to run semis down that road i mean you you guys have no control it's not your deal but so I guess the 21st we'll find out more but the road
can't handle the traffic that's on it now with the park and like said people said people racing their cars i've had three of them in my yard you know crashed into the gate in my yard so it's they're not lying they like to race it's
a beautiful road for kids to race around on but it's also you know very dangerous road so to try and run traffic through there you're talking thousands of vehicles a
day i bet you there's two 300 maybe a day that run that road if you're lucky so you're going to be putting thousands with semis and the road is pretty dangerous so just you guys I mean I know
it's not your your deal because you're not you're not Maplewood or Woodbury technically the road mostly is in Maplewood because the line goes straight across the lake and the road goes around so most of it is in Maplewood so we'll
see who shows up on the 21st but thanks for you know coming out and and telling people what you plan to do you know nobody had nobody had a clue and it's pretty nice that somebody posted something about it but thank you we appreciate your comments thank you Roger
you bet anyone else like to make a comment yeah Dean Nelson Bailey Road again i got one more comment about the quick trip okay you know there's a lot of fuel spillage at gas stations and we all have wells on Bailey Road in both Woodbury
and Newport you know that's another reason I'm against this Quick Trip being right in that area because I don't want to have to hook up to city water you know just because a Quick Trip goes in because of all the pollution that's going to run off from the spilled
fuel of all the pumps so that's a real big concern for me i just do don't want to hook up to city water i just want to keep my well and I just don't want my water being any more
polluted thank you thank you Dean do have another question my daughter wanted to join uh so for the quick trip did I hear that there are uh spots for 18-wheeler tractor trailers to fill up
for the diesel area did I hear that correctly yeah or come up to the podium though please sorry um Madam Chair we are providing uh two lanes of what we call side diesel semiis
will be able to get in there semis will be a small part of that business it's going to be the local diesel uh trucks the vans and that sort of thing service trucks dump trucks that sort of thing semiis will be able to get in there but that's not the intent of that and while
I'm here I could address the concern for the the water our tanks are doublewalled our lines from the tanks to the pumps are doublewalled and those that airspace between the two walls is monitored so if there's ever a leak and the air pressure
changes we catch that and we we just don't have leaks to speak of so what about the spillage when people are just filling up and going like that will run into our storm pond and we'll have a a equipment there that will be able to
skim that off if there's if there is if that's an issue so your whole parking lot will be funneled towards that storm pond all our water will go into that storm pond okay and if we do the shared pond with uh El's apartments his water
off of his parking lot would go in there as well and we have control of it thank you thank you i did just have a followup uh just thought on the uh area for the tractor
trailers to refill yeah I'm in the area quite a bit driving my daughter daycare uh through we we're in South Maplewood so I go through Sterling get on Bailey and so forth but I don't see a lot of tractor trailers in that area but when I
get down getting closer to 494 again on the freeway there are a ton of tractor trailers and I just want to be cognizant making sure that this gas station doesn't just become the truck stop for all those truck drivers tractor trailers
coming up the hill and we all know that's a steep hill so that hill we're just gonna be hearing tractor trailer time after time you know every 20 minutes however often we're going to hear them going up i don't know if they have engine brakes if you guys are going
to put up signs there'll be engine braking going down that's a big hill to be sending all this tractor trailer traffic up and down okay thank you Johnny um Jody again I I forgot one thing when
they talk about the hazard so I'm against where I'm against the the gas station even though the the tank may not leak a gasoline to water but but it it but it emits a lot of volatile organic i
I don't want to live near a gas station because I'm inhaling volatile organic compound is health hazard okay okay thank you any other comments from the public
i'm Colleen Molen and I live at 2565 Bailey Court and I have a real concern for the traffic control if you can't control the traffic on Bay Court now how in the heck are you going to do that with the construction and all this additional
traffic we can hardly most of the people that are here can hardly get out of their roads or their driveways people are going so fast there is no police presence anywhere i think I've seen somebody on Bailey Road maybe once in the last couple
years i'd like that concern uh addressed at some time too if not now thank you Colleen um so I've been part of the planning commission for quite a few years i've dealt with a lot of this stuff um almost
every time that they do a project like this they have a traffic study what is that is that the right word traffic study done to best fit see what we have to do is we have to figure out what's going to go there then they're going to
come in they're going to figure out what kind of roads they need for it and hopefully we'll be able to address all your concerns and when they redo the road it's going to make your life even better is is the hope okay I can't guarantee anything but that's that's
usually what what happens that's the process that goes on they don't just throw businesses in and then hope for the best they they do really plan this they think about it sometimes they get it right sometimes they don't well we're here to make sure that they do i have an
addition to what I had to say how about if you start doing it now and start controlling that traffic on Bailey Road and make us believers that something better is going to happen that'd be great except Newport is just a small little portion of it it's mainly Woodbury
so thank you i have one more question about his holding pond if he can answer it is it going to be just a pond or is it going to be concrete floor concrete walls to keep the pollution from seeping into the
groundwater that's what I'd want to know can you answer that Scott thank you it It will not be a concrete pond it will be a claylined pond to contain the water in the pond but not concrete
thank you okay um we're going to be closing the public hearing here in five minutes so if there's any like last remarks I'd invite you to come up to the podium okay um the time is uh 6:41 and um the public hearing is closed do we have a
motion u motion to close it motion to close it a second i second it all in favor i okay commissioners um do we have questions the biggest concern I'm hearing is
traffic and we all know it's an issue um unfortunately it's county um is Century Avenue on the west side of it is that a county road or is that city owned
or will it be it's a great question um yeah so um Commissioner Kermy's Century Avenue that that extension from Bailey to the north would be a um like a city road for the time being if it ever
does connect through uh to the streets um that are shared by Maplewood and Woodbury my understanding is based on conversations with the county is that could become a county road at that time okay um I have a few
questions with the with the gas station and the the apartment building and all that everybody meets their setbacks on this right there's no we're not fudging any numbers with this this is all That's a good question crystal clear that they
meet them yeah so we did the review of those bulk standards which include setbacks and at at the time we've reviewed the plans they have met the setbacks that are in the city's code that being said of course as we've mentioned this evening these concept
plans are being fine-tuned by the developers and so there would be an expectation the setbacks are are continue to be okay and one of the other things that always comes up with these type of projects is fire lanes for you know the back of the apartment building
is there going to be a fire lane is there going to be something for fire department to get down to be able to put a fire out that's a great question uh internal in Newport we have worked uh with our fire chief and fire team to allow them to provide comments on fire
access particularly for the multifamily building um at this time there's no comment on requirement for a fire lane uh my understanding is typically cities have moved to um things like building sprinkling and things of that nature to avoid the uh the need to require those
fire lanes so at this time the city feels that it has adequate emergency access okay um again with the the holding pond um some of that's been answered for me it sounds like it's going to be quick trips holding pond and perhaps they'll go in with the apartment building as
well um and are they going to be maintaining that or is it going to be the city's responsibility to maintain the holding pond you're asking some great questions right now yes so that would be a private um storm water pond that would be on a private property and
maintained into perpetuity by the property owner so okay private and I should mention um it is possible that some of the storm water on this site could be part of regional ponding in um
the city of Woodbury that is a little bit if that happened it would still be managed as storm water ponding into perpetuity so okay yep just that that could be a possibility but at this time I think we're looking at all of the storm water on Newport site okay um also
with the holding pond uh there's the shoreland that comes up through that yep um and that holding pond is all right in the shoreland thing is that all is that good you can have a short you can have a holding pond in shoreland district yes
so good question the um storm water pond similar to wetlands is considered permeable for the for the sake of reviewing against the lot coverage maximum okay yep it's retaining storm water like the big thing here is that it's
retaining the storm water um and either allowing it to evaporate or in some cases infiltrate you know as but the ponds always have to be designed appropriately so for safety business because one of this one of the things that was brought up is people are
worried that it's the pollution will go into the ground water and their own wells and some people don't want to get off their well but I'm assuming when they redo Bailey Road they're going to be offering sewer and water i mean they're going to dig the whole thing up aren't they they're probably going to be
putting it in and Woodberry is going to be building that big huge uh plant water plant that we're all going to be hooked up to because of 3M's pollution um anyway right so won't all that be coming down that way in the near future i'll start to answer that question and
Joe if you want to jump in you're welcome um the each community will have its own policies with water and sewer and how people connect or don't connect when uh utilities become available
so right now the alignment of the water and sewer that will serve the Newport site is not fully is not known fully um when we know the alignment we'll have a better idea of any impacts on Newport residents to to connect and if the residents of Newport decided hey since
there's going to be city sewer and water would they have an opportunity to voice that and perhaps be hooked up to that certainly coming so close no that's that's fair and certainly encourage people that you know may have any interest in in reaching out um they'd be
happy to coordinate that as as appropriate awesome [Music] i have a question okay you're looking at your list okay so the traffic study does that include like recommendations for um for weight limits yeah so uh the traffic
study for this project is likely to be part of the environmental review the EAW okay and the traffic review will be kind of wrapped into that um traffic studies will include um concerns about trips per day and volume and things of
that nature also an analysis of the different intersections that are impacted so um that's what a traffic study would look at in terms of the weight capacity for the roads that would be designed to engineering standards the city has roads would have to meet certain minimum standards for
engineering i guess my question was more about um what was it johnny's uh comment about how how like he could like see a lot of like uh like big trucks ending up like
going s going to that qu that quick trip and I know um Scott mentioned that that wasn't the in that wasn't like the intent you know like I mean obviously there's going to be a place for folks to fuel up but it wasn't intended to become this like traffic stop or truck stop i
mean and so I guess that that's more of like what my question is like you know can these big semis like is there any kind of like uh is there going to be any um weight restrictions that I mean would they would would the traffic study like
look at that um not necessarily that's not necessarily in the scope of a traffic study i will say that in Minnesota and across the board there are weight limits that trucks have to be are are subject commercial trucks are subject to so those are weight limits that are enforced by the Minnesota
Department of Transportation okay but right now the way the excuse me right now the way the road is built it's it's made to have semis on because of they're built to a certain standard to accommodate all traffic because yeah
Bailey uses semis so um but I I don't really foresee semis coming off of 494 going through Newport to go up that big hill to go get gas at that little quick trip when there's other lot there's a
truck stop right down um in St paul Park or South St paul uh you know so I I don't see them going out of their way yeah yeah it is so um I'm not I don't I don't see that
happening myself but you never know um I have one last question here uh we we kind of went over a little bit you kind of mentioned it a little bit there Alan about um I was wondering if this was a
workforce apartment or if it's going to be um uh the market place and you kind of answered it it's in between so um just to clarify uh it is going to be workforce housing uh the the quality
of the construction and the design is going to be built to a market rate standard um in terms of workforce housing what that means is it's going to provide basically income restrictions at 60% AMI which for again for individuals is about a $50,000 a year income s I think slightly higher uh a family of
four it's about 80,000 so it provides a housing with the financing comes restrictions on the rent levels of the property um and with some of the financing there's tax credits involved in the project that allow us to uh keep lower rents at the project so um and one
of the things that I was commenting on before too um I think just the different unit mix that we're going to be providing is going to provide a unique housing option that isn't currently really available in the city um and also providing new housing like this kind of
one of the things that it does is it it kind of brings up other housing stock for older apartment buildings um because it really kind of makes landlords um sometimes absentee landlords have to kind of up their game a little bit and provide a higher quality housing option
um to remain competitive so all right thank you yep that is all I have any other questions commissioners uh I guess the takeaways I got was traffic and water uh and I know Marilyn
said she's got a culvert it's probably farm tiling i'm guessing that that water is always all going down to Law Lake i think that should be addressed um especially with that holding pond being in that overlay
so okay um Nathan I know you said that this was advisory is there um anything else we need to do no I think the the planning commission has provided some some good feedback so far and we've gotten good feedback from the community
um this you know just as a I have the slide up that I had some ideas for possible topics of discussion i think you've worked through these to a to a degree um now would be a good time if there are any final comments on things like the proposed uses and any other
things that you might want like just just feedback to provide feedback on so that staff understand that was one of my main things that coming here that my concern was that we're right now it's not zoned to be able to even do this so we're going to have to have a whole
another discussion about zoning coming in the future to reszone this probably i mean because even with the PUD and all that I don't think it fits into what it's zoned for right now am I correct on that so yeah the you the land uses as as we kind of
mentioned they're um the residential use in particular it's not in the B1 zoning district that's correct um what staff are recommending if the city is to move forward with this project is to reszone the area of this this site plan here to MX3 which is the city's mixeduse zoning
district that mixed use zoning district provides um an ability for housing number one and number two it would allow for the quick trip gas station use um that reszoning is not totally uncommon
um and that would be the the way that this would staff would recommend that this is done and it would be lumped in with the applications after the environmental review okay okay well um I guess I'm just going to
echo what Joe said about the open house on May 21st what time was that again at 5:00 p.m so um we encourage um whoever has some uh more questions specifically for like the county um to come out on that day um to the open
house and um make those questions or ask those questions um is there a motion to close the meeting i would make a motion to adjurnn i'll second that all in favor i I Thank you everybody for coming out it's awesome to
see the place full yep thank you all