e okay calling to order the Parks and Recreation Advisory Board commission it is Thursday March 6 2005 and it's 5:00 pm at the city hall in this way may I have a motion to approve the
agenda for today I will make a motion to approve the agenda second all those in favor I all those opposed so the motion carries may I get an approval of the February
6th 2025 minutes I'll make a motion second anybody all those in favor I opposed so that carries through motion carried which brings us
to open Forum has anyone in the history of Park and wreck meeting ever there's been a couple been opposed to the agenda or the no there's not usually amendments either we've had a couple of
we've had a couple additions yeah just a handful agenda but just being outright post GNA start causing problems cool well I will roll on to Department reports thank you Sherry um just couple quick updates here
um the ring and warming house are closed for the season um we were open a total of 49 days uh we tallied 1,348 users and $412 in concession
sales so uh much better winter than last year um we got our new lawn mower delivered um so that's pretty exciting um we traded in the old one got the new one so we are going to be ready for
spring Recreation wise um activities are open registrations open for soccer t-all and baseball so that goes um kind of till the end of the month here soccer gets going in April and then t-ball and baseball get going in May um in February I mail out sponsorship letters and so
that's for the baseball field banners um Team sponsors and then the doc sponsors um so I'm getting in a lot of paperwork every every day um which is good we also posted the bench
sponsorship program that we kind of worked through over the fall winter um so that has been posted on the website and Facebook to let people know that there's um bench sponsorships at Between the Lakes Park so we already have two
committed and one more probably in the wings um for that Park and there's seven spaces available um go Lake Trail we open bids February 26th um four bids were open they received
seven and three were not read out loud um for not having all of the documents um that were required and so uh the bids came in well under um anticipated and we're bringing that to
City Council in March um so they'll be reviewing the bids hopefully awarding the contract to the low bid and then um also reviewing Construction Services for the project so we'll find out um once
it's awarded what a better start date time frame is on all of that um but the last section of GOC Trail should be constructed um this summer nice when you say under quite a bit under like talking thousands of
dollars or like hundreds of thousands which brings me to a later Point um times are changing yes it's it's refreshing um compared to the last round where it was a little nerve-wracking if it was going to be um doable or not um
so with this one so our grant funding um is for 855,000 um we do get to get reimbursed for up to 20% Professional Services so like construction observation um and so
there's a possibility that we might have a couple hundred thousand left over which we could do something else to support the project um so I had a quick conversation with Greater Minnesota regional parks and trails commission
their executive director um and kind of gave me a little rundown because my first thought was pocket park if we could deal with some of the issues with the pavers and the retaining wall there but she said that would not
qualify um she talked about we can do things that address any adaa accesses and drainage with the original Trail um we can add a parking lot so we've previously talked about a parking lot at nisell Lake Park um that would
take some consideration to maneuver around the butternut trees um we can add amenities so things like wayf finding um kiosks which we're doing a good chunk of the other part of the trail already with another Grant um
but we don't have one in the pocket park tunnel area um she said we could get bike equipment for programming um that we would want to think through obviously the long-term maintenance of some of these things and what that's all going to cost and um
another idea that I had that I did not check in with her if we can't do a parking lot or we don't want to do a parking lot if we could pave the trail going into Nall Lake Park and potentially at a bathroom if that would be an acceptable use of funds
um but looking for ideas thoughts um on potentially you know I'd say $150,000 might be a safe is ball par those little stations the
bike repair stations you can do bike repair stations doggy stations benches um we don't have a lot of room and right of way to add benches um but yes all those would all count as Trail amenities we'd have to buy a lot of them
to get to 150,000 can't yep yes my first thought was pocket Park um to deal with some of the issues that we're experiencing there but it's
not the trail supporting supporting the trail but it doesn't yeah she said no paring line with the bathroom those are always appreciated yeah I was going to say what kind of bathroom would we be talking about I would think something like what we put all at between the laks and just
a vault toilet the rental so yeah right now in Nell Lake Park we do a portapotty rental for the summer from fishing opener to mea break I don't know if that would
qualify but I think kind of a trail head making it more of a trail head add some way finding there um we'd have to talk to the DNR because we haven't access through there use it or lose it yes spent this year um everything would have to be done by June
30th of 2026 so if something of the magnitude of a parking lot and things like that we would need to get going because we don't have any plans of where to put it which is why I bring it up now not know where would the parking lot in the
bathroom go exactly that would be what would need to be determined um I think it would be on the south east side of Nall Lake Park as you come into the park okay um but there is butternut trees
which are a protected species and I don't know all the rules the buffer zone so are you talking about the parking lot that's already there just on the other side of the tunnel that's the dnrs so we'd have to connect off their
road so they left the road for us to connect off of that we'd have to wind into nisah Lake Park and then build a parking lot off of that okay so those are some of the options that they said we could that would potentially
qualify and then I'm like well if we don't want a parking lot or we can't do a parking lot because of the Butternut Tree to see if it would be feasible to just pave the path in because we do have some drainage issues there yeah and then um if a
bathroom might be in something that we'd be interested in do we have a master plan of the of the go Lake Trail on the website anyway or the nwap portion
um there's a master plan it does include everything it was drafted in 2015 um I know I have a paper copy that I can scan in and put electron Al there's information there's word
information on the nwap portion just as we generate I guess ideas I'm a visual person so it'd be kind of nice to see the trail as a whole um maybe I can email you
yeah I want to go back to sorry can I go back to the bathroom real quick so if if I under if I remember correctly in the summer the DNR brings down porta potties to that Landing don't they yes so my thought is is if if we
can use some monies for a bathroom maybe we can approach the DNR to do a collaboration of a bathroom so they won't have to bring in porta potties I don't know how that'll work probably be kind of crazy but like that idea yeah the they have
previously stated that they would be interested in Sharing only a bathroom facility um cuz in previous plans it was maybe a little bit more than a bathroom um certainly something to talk
about because because they wanted something more bigger than a vault correct well we don't have utilities over there either right over there no just a so I mean you can put a two stall yeah
or a two two Vault two vaults but they have some I mean those some of those outdoor facilities they have they're okay you know I like your idea and I I think they might be more agreeable the one thing the DNR doesn't like is they don't like to have the maintenance so
maybe the city would be willing to do the maintenance on it right you know currently right now you have to do the maintenance with the one out at uh Camp lincol Road so yeah I I just threw that out there I just you know me I just throw things out there see what they're
thck I thought well I'm clearly wrong I thought sewer ran down uh what road is it wood tasel wood am I wrong I would have I believe it does and then we would just not to say it's it's not close to
yeah I don't know what that would take to get it that would be very expensive to hook up to the Sewer there just for oneth I don't think the DNR would say yeah rip up our parking lot there are like self-containing ones too but yeah um so
it sounds like maybe a bathroom um how what are your thoughts on a parking lot I like at n Wall Lake Park I like the idea of having kind of a trail head and a location to park and with the kiosk and I mean yes I like that idea a
lot yes I will um certainly find out some answers from Planning and Zoning because it is Shoreland over there um and then obviously city council what they're um
maybe in support of and then obviously what the grant would but I'd rather go with an infrastructure versus um like bike equipment personally just because the the ability to implement all of that I would thought maybe if we could get like a a counter of sorts like a
pedestrian B counter maybe they would be interested in that for all of the go Lake Trail to be able to count users I guess the only thing to combat that or the other side of things there is
kind of already a trail head we're talking about you know right um kind of by the roundabout there which is across you know across 371 so it's they're separate but it is already kind of like a trail head with parking lot
and a bike um they've got a station there but I think I know people that use the DNR lining as a trail too I yeah I do too yeah I A lot of people do and in fact probably more people would use that as a trail head than the
actual trail head that's there cuz it's kind of hidden back there and with that the use of that one we need to get signs we've talked about signs to Route people yeah there not super familiar you don't even know it's there you can't see it from the road and that's part of the um
maps that we're working on for niswa Section we're going to have a blown up insert to help get people from the goink trail to the Paul bunion Trail how's that coming along by the way those the signage um for the the other Grant in the map mhm um pretty good we saw first
draft um and and that Grant expires this June 30th so we're going to have another meeting here it's the four communities um and so we will review that and then get the kiosks ordered and
they're just composite um very similar to the style that we already have but a different material um so they're not wood um just a little less maintenance and so everybody's Gathering their quotes and getting a final version of the map and there'll be mile
markers um that are both directions nice um kiosks and then maps and for Nisswa specifically I asked for a blown up insert to get from go like TR to Paul bunion that was the other thing I was going to update you on on the go like
Trail um okay so certainly more to come but I will get um I'll bring this to council at the March 18th uh Workshop that one's March 18th 5:00 pm um just give them a heads up on all this because it's coming at that
council meeting um and just thinking through especially because the parking lot would require more work to be able to get that constructed by the deadline so it's about 150,000 I think that's a safe a safe
guess if we keep it under 175,000 we wouldn't have to do a sealed bid but at I think something of that magnitude we can't add on to the existing either can I just one more question yep does the nisell park
need a parking lot I mean do they need it paved city park no nisell Lake Park does not have a parking lot drive down you have par in our owner right now but I guess my question is does the city want that's what I got to
ask them um no but that would be a City question not a um I would be for me personally just me the council's
perspective would like to see I don't that was my question there is one in the original plan um and that was also that whole design was made before we learned of the protected Butternut trees and so that plan has morphed over
time um to what is there now but a parking lot and a bathroom facility were in the original plan and we are you you we always run into that Butternut I don't know if you guys had a lot of Butternut Detroit Lakes we got a up here I'm not saying
that they get cut down on my property but you you can't touch them um unless you're a state entity then yeah but and that's some of the things we've run into with certain things so I guess my question mark is or my comment is I don't know that that you
need to pave that um park for bike purposes but if the city said hey here's an opportunity for some money that we can justify to pave it because the city would want it paved otherwise then that makes sense otherwise I like your bathroom idea the best
MH um maybe 10 weeks it wasn't terrible and the one thing we're finding out with Paving now too is with costs it's almost quadrupled in the last few years okay um so that's I will run some
of these ideas um through city council and then Circle back with the um the commission to see what will be allowable uses and then obviously as we get going through the project we'll know how much how we're tracking and trending and if
it's going according to plan um awesome any questions on anything else happening on the day to-day otherwise we can move on a new business we have the city park preliminary playground
design um so in the packet you guys received um a memo from me and included in that was just kind of my summary from our January meeting that I passed on to the playground designers um kind of giving our goal some simple simple
direction from that we have their playground design um so the design shown Allin has a cost of 67972 3 so this is the first design and I
don't think we have a full um we don't have a full budget right this is the 690,000 I gave them is based off of what we were using for fundraising purposes um they you could probably tell
by the design that they kept the warming house in there that was the feedback that I heard from the commission is that they wanted to keep the warming house for the time being so they designed around the warming house um so kind of at this time what I'm looking for is just general General
feedback to it um how do they do meeting our um overall theme the underlying themes um how do we like the layout of it um Play Elements if we want to get into that is anything in excess are we
missing um just some really high level feedback at this time um so I'll say the concepts are a little deceptive because it's green grass all the way around and that's not the case in
reality um so if we're looking over here this is the ball field this is home plate of the baseball field this over by the merer round is the parking lot lot north of the swings would be the
pickle ball courts over here on the West Side that's your picnic shelters area and then you can see the notch out to go around um the warming house yeah the one and this is not just the playground but this is just the
design as a whole you know we move that playground closer to the ball field I know there's a back stop to the the field but it can easily a I mean a foul ball can easily still go up and over and if
we've got our two to fivey Old playground that's directly behind the back stop that might be an issue and most of the games are played in the evening but I mean that playground is heavily used from sun up to sun down I
guess that would be one item so I thought about that same thing and I've heard that General feedback from people that that now the playground is closer for fall balls um and so I had that in my mind as well um someone brought up
the parking lot do we want them I like that as close to the bathroom because this yeah this down here would be the bathroom which I've carried a kid across the park to get to the potty and it's a long run um so I think that's a good thing behind
the back stop takes and then how would you feel about that being in closer proximity to the parking lot I mean I think I'd rather see it closer to the parking lot than the back stop but and then again it's hard to tell
because you can plant trees it's not inserted into yeah what's actually there so are you talking about moving it closer closer to the parking lot that way you know further away you know how that I'm
assuming that that two to five the small group is that's that that's right there right that's this is the two to five in the green in the green bubble how how close is it to the bathrooms well we haven't measured it out we don't have a
location so there's no is there room to move it over closer to the bathrooms that would move into the plaza area so you can shift it North West into the picnic
area to give more space if there's enough space you can plant a bunch of trees too picking theory meaning are you talking about to the east yeah east east
Northeast towards the softball field is that footprint supposed to plan to stay the what's what's there uh yes the picnic shelters could be the one thing that's moving the ball field would ball fields are staying the same I have print copies
if you guys want to see print copies too that's more helpful or not helpful yeah that would be great as far as the back stop goes with fall balls there's also the higher nettings that you can put in yep so um
finding a way to combat that right so that that would lower the possibility of the foul balls going into the playground but yes it is used yeah Mark I was thinking the same thing
I I guess I'd rather have at higher netting than have the parking lot closer to the to the playground because I I'd be more worried about kids running into the parking lot than I would yeah also with the improve movements for
the ball field we wouldn't want to forget that it's an expanded bleacher with a Press Box is what the concept design shows the overarching goal was to have a better spectator experience at the ball field so we'd want to make sure that we're leaving space for
that see did with the with the Press Box was that our doing or was that something that the lightning was looking at both we host a lot of games there okay not and I think the overarching goal is a better spectator experience
right would they be interested in coughing up some for that or not that hasn't been a focal point yet I just keep in mind the feedback that they've given and making sure that we leave space um but the fencing and things like that are coming due for
replacement within 10 years the the Press Box announcers box would that be behind home plate or would that be somewhere else in the nothing is planned I know but in the concept it is behind home plate okay that's what I
thought and then the the bleacher thing again yes I just had to refresh my memory yes so in the concept it has bleachers wrapping around the back of Home Plate um if you guys couldn't tell it's all poured in place based on the coloring the greens and the blues so PED
in place is that rubber surface um this will not have wood chips as it's presented um you can see my directions to them that I think based on budget that's one of the biggest things that might change um but it's also one of the
things that makes this incredibly inclusive I like the rubber surface all around what is the difference in price like $200,000 um I know people have people 176 here
yeah okay um people have had concerns about the safety of it um and I had a brief conversation with a playground company the end product is
um obviously environmentally like it's a per able surface and so like I was concerned about the environment and then um just any residual effects for kids playing on
it touching it things like that and it's um during the the process of laying it is a little more hazardous um and so it there is in their in their cost it's like fencing it off and having overnight security and making sure that um the
area is secured um especially through some of the the processes so that was one of the questions and concerns I've heard from people um the playground company could obviously speak to it much better than me if we had additional questions on it um but I did ask them
that kind of preliminary highlevel safety aspect for both humans and the environment what's the lifespan of that of the rubber um High use areas are going to need to be repaired more
frequently um and what I've learned is you can't color match either like you can get the same color but it's never going to be a perfect match so um it's going to fade it's in the in the
process of making it and mixing it um it's a mixture uh so it's very hard to color match um I'd say areas like under swings around merry grounds are going to be a higher wear um especially and those would
probably be the areas that would need to be repaired more often so did they give you an idea about five years 10 years um I don't not off the top of my head I'm not recalling what um standard is um I will make a
note I think well from my experience under swings and like the bottom of a slide and like um Amber set around Mar rounds you know you're probably looking at that five to eight year mark whereas
just general areas I mean you can see upwards to 20 that isn't getting just a constant abuse um wood chips if you have wood chips you're supposed to be doing regular fluffing and
redistributing so there's a a kind of a a regular upkeep of wood chips so this is a solid rubber Surface versus I've seen some play have these little rubber pellets yeah it wouldn't be pellets it would
be I'll maybe say continuous um I know things that we talked about shade seaing visibility um also curious if you think there's too much of one type of play element whether it's a spin a swing a
slide not enough of something um I personally would like to maybe see some sort of creative play like a play house like that could double as a quiet area um just something for they have a couple of
elements in there um but I think that might be a nice addition and then I think um people really love the climbing Dome and I think maybe having a climbing
element they the landscape structures has a rock and a net um and that I thought might tie in to this theme pretty well um they do have one of the Nets on the 5 to 12 year old playground as the approach up to this
area um so those are the two things that I thought um there's like three different four different spinning um apparatuses so maybe one of those or could be swapped out with a climbing um and then yeah like I said
some sort of quiet creative Playhouse cabin Beach Shack for over here by the swings wherever it fits um those are two two of my initial thoughts
on that bid there was a um for the two symol communication posts there was two of them is that for different ages um that was I did have a question on that one if they're the same if they're different what exactly they are if we want to swap out panels on
them if one's like I know there's other places that have like emotion ones and so just I'm not quite sure exactly what the panel is but there is one over here by the 5 to 12 and the other one was over here by the 2 to5
so and there was also um on there somewhere about the fence was there something on there about a fence I think that's for construction oh that's for putting the rubber okay um on the quote here there are some possible
reductions and that's stuff that we could potentially do in house um so you see that it's the sourcewell contract price that's one of the reasons why we went the route we went is to find a company through sourcewell um but there's things like
the dumpster um Excavating things like that if any of that we wanted to bring in house it would reduce the cost um this project price um and then again the chain chain link
fence or something um it says temporary construction fence lockgate traffic control cone signals um things like that whatever we would need to secure it during construction so there's an the possibility of reducing up to 46,000
depending on what our capabilities are um and then I'll kind of just keep walking through it so then you got the itemized list of everything what it is how many what it costs um you got a couple custom
pieces and then when you get over here this is the information that we would need for the grant so for the grant you have to have the fall Heights so they have different Play Elements um need a different depth of surfacing for safety
requirements um and so that's all listed out here in the different zones and then they also have play like a buffer radius around them um and so these designs help highlight that and that's what we would need for some
information for the grants you mind if we go back to the bid yep Amber so is it is it standard to um to put in food food and lodging in for the for the on the bid
um yes um because they would be traveling from out of town and need to have accommodations um for their certified installers sleeping bags in the community
center there's bathrooms in there m there's bathrooms no shower but it's well working on that maybe they can stay at Mark's house everybody gets one I have three empty bedrooms everybody gets to
host would't that be something so in general do we think that this is meeting our objective I like how they're separated in the age groups yes um I like colors if it's going to if we're going to be in that in
that kind of color tone it's it's pleasing to the eye it's not you know it's not real busy I like it that's not busy you know that it's pretty Earth Tones yeah you can certainly see the
theme going through it with the green and then um so like each area has like it's a lime green slide versus a dark green slide versus a blue to the water so every area just they took like basically
every color theme that we said we wanted and put it all in there um so I don't know if we like that they're different if we like that they're the same like we can get really into the Weeds on some of this stuff um they have those little Acorn accent
chairs um you know the benches are in in the playground versus outside the playground do we like that do we not like that some of them are log benches um on the benches and I don't I'm looking at the little kids playground
there in the green is there a bench be not not there but behind that am I missing one behind that there's one um yes there is one so if we look on this design you got a bench a
bench a bench a bench and then so what what is that six benches six benches and then this is a log and a log so it can double as a seat or I think they call it a balance beam actually in their line item oh as a
grandpa with little kids I don't I mean my it's not a big deal but I'd have one more bench in where the little kids are I'd have one right right there yes there yeah because when the kids are playing and I I guess maybe might just be me other people but I kind of like to keep
an eye on where they are and sometimes the other benches are filled up okay you you and I are the same way yes well that's something we've heard a lot is the benches and the visibility and with the ramp it's hard to get around um
in the current Park but with a low structure you don't have you can't see under it very well yeah I mean I think a base level like I think they've accomplished a pretty good part
I think you can make changes down the road to like once we know we've got funding and if we're moving forward and you know as far as picking pieces but I think I mean in my opinion as far as like the
overall theme the colors the um you know I'd have maybe some comment on a couple things but overall I think they're accomplishing at base level you know what we asked yes this is certainly not um a
oneandone design um and we can definitely get into the weeds later on um one of my other thoughts is so if you guys notice I don't know if I can show you on this picture if I have to scroll um there's a
slide that comes off here so this is I I'm assuming that this black or the brown the dark brown is the accessibility path and then you have the ramp up to a platform ramp to platform ramp to platform off this platform here
is a Roller Slide and it has a transfer platform at the bottom which is making it inclusive right so it's an accessible path but they would have to go all the way back around to the ramp to get back
on and so that was one of my thoughts is if there's a different way to maybe get a better access back up somehow um I don't know if that's too far not too far I think as we get further down the road I would
like to have um a listening session or two with different families professions people that work um with different different abilities um to get different
perspective I know from my experience in the design end of things height is always like we have a pretty flat sight here so getting somebody in wheelchair up in the air is so expensive yes um and
in this design design you know you have three ramps three huge platforms to not give a whole lot of options and that's a lot most playgrounds out there that is a case and
so you're going to be spending you know $100,000 to give somebody in a wheelchair two options um and so when we get into into the weeds I think there's maybe some more
creative options even outside of playground equipment that we could work with topography wise if we can get kids up in the air before we even get them to not up in the air but work with the elevation that we have on site or the topography whether it be if you're
building it but getting some elevation before they get to playground equipment because moving dirt's a lot cheaper than you know uh ramp than equipment that would be the one thing I would say and then going off of your point which I
think it's a great Point yeah it's a lot to to get back around that playground to then only get back to the two elements that they can even get to yeah so yes all very good points there's a lot
of playgrounds that build in topography to help for that very reason and it is a very flat site it extremely flat it's not as easy like that is going to provide some challenges as far as just how how it's built but I think there are
ways to do it yeah and then the other obviously there's different swing options um so they have okay I'm don't get dizzy follow me um they have this hammock type swing one of the swings is
a 5 to 12 inclusive swing and then the other swing um you have one bucket seat and then it's a two to five inclusive swing I did have a thought of maybe the bucket
swing should be over on this side closer to the 2 to five playground or put it in proximity to wherever the two to five playground lands instead of that corner and that corner um so I don't know if we like the idea of two
different age group inclusive swing more buckets less buckets you can't have a bucket and a belt in the same Bay um just food for thought every time I look at this I notice different
things but the um this four person teeter totter um these are pretty fun actually in my opinion they're great seats um but that's an inclusive element as well as this we go round marry go
round um you see that you can wheel onto it and then within that there's benches that's pretty cool thing um that is the one thing my daughter wants and she said she we need to buy it all and she wants it um can't wait to play on it this summer you know is this have we mat
start our our playground footprint or is there room for expansion it's just hard to tell without seeing you know on the master plan we gave them a 10,000 square foot it's comparable to what we have now um it's um they did chunk out the corner
there for the keeping the warming house um so that probably reduced it because I gave the 10,000 including like what was on the the concept design East because or EAS or to the north because the parking lot comes pretty close up to it doesn't it on the
west um yeah in the concept I keep looking over there on the wall um we did build in more of a drop off zone so there's more space okay um between the concrete space between the playground
and the drive lane um and then again if we wanted to morph it you could push it East Northeast into the picnic area but to the north is where the so this is where we're getting the whole park designed so we know exactly where pickle ball
goes to exactly where the playground to exactly where the warming house how much space we need for the the bleachers but yes it's a 10,000 foot which is comparable to existing and that is the size on the
um the survey the concept design to the survey so they use those documents that the engineer provided Us in January they Ed those shape files to build this and would there still be the
basketball court there no the basketball hoops would move into the hockey rink and so umt when when that gets built yeah I'll see if I can pull it up
real quick um so this was what we looked at in January where you have in the red is what's existing infrastructure and you can see underneath so like the edge of the parking lot stays the
same um but you're taking out some of the green space and they shifting yeah I guess the only if if the community or the city decided to get rid of the warming house I guess
they maybe be a little room to the east but for the most part it's maxed out unless you go this way above the warming house and then you're moving towards the potential shelter and then you're getting to the
left foul line Y so no it does not have to be a rectangle the playground container is the one thing that can change shape pretty easily well I mean I went over and
walked that area you on Sunday and and just from my experience I'm not here as long as the rest of you but I very rarely see a lot of people sitting in that picnic area know I don't know how maybe that gets used more than I'm aware of but that would be an area in my opinion
that you could infringe upon the picnic table or the picnic area in between the the ball field to the East and the existing playground um they it used um people will do like birthday
parties or they'll grill out um you know at between some games you know I hear people talking about wanting double headers or they're quick eating their Subway before the game um so they definitely get used um they are showing their wear and
could be re I mean if we're going all in on this right we don't need to keep this um but it's not that they couldn't move so if we have a better Vision if it if we need the space to make room for the playground to keep the things like all I
think all options are still on the table at this point but the it you got the basketball court here Bruce to your question so this is where the existing basketball court is which would be under the proposed
pickle ball tennis court area that basketball court gets used a lot yes it's yeah so if you just did the playground no it might not be impacted completely with the playground portion but yes to the pick ball
tennis I mean I think at at least from like a budgeting standpoint and a base level like I don't I mean if we swapped out some equipment or elements or change this or that I still think we'd be within the that budget and there's ways to go down from
that budget too especially when we look at surfacing but um so I guess moving forward just based on this I'd feel good being That We're Not Gonna I I can't see us adding $100,000 to this playground I mean you could pretty easily but I mean
I don't think we need to so from like a budgeting standpoint and just understanding what it takes for an inclusive kind of more Destination type playground in that space I feel like this is at least a good direction yeah at least we know
what we can get for that price tag too so if we need to bring it up yeah or if we have opportunity to bring it down or need to bring it down I think it it helps provide a frame of reference and kind of a an anchor to a direction to go
what you get for your money MH bench don't sponsors for them yes you could we can certainly have bench sponsorships I don't know how that works with port in place and if it has to be at the same time or later or not in the playground that would take
research on my end at what point would you bring a bring this to the public to have them give give input um not sure on a timeline so the only thing I can
definitively say is March 18th at 5:00 pm there will be a workshop with City Council everyone's invited this will be one of the topics um I plan to also get some direction on Community Center improvements that we talked
about last month um so Community Center City Park um the go Lake Trail the opposite problem of how do we spend more money when um March 18th March 18th at 5:00 p.m. and it's open to the open to the
public it will be on YouTube it say Council Workshop um and city park will be a big piece of it and then also trying to get a little bit of feedback on pocket park in direction of um the boulder walls there so those are the
kind of the four main things that I'm hoping to get direction on um not only is it City Park planning but also as we've discussed the interum operation other questions and thoughts certainly again not the
last discussion on playground design but I think it's nice to have a visual representation at this point and um we will get into the weeds I think probably once we have more information um but like I said I think
bringing it um especially having some listening groups too before we get to kind of a fize because these guys probably already know this answer but um is just like I heard you mention grants so is this a
grant we write to the city does to get this money or that was one Avenue we were pursuing um we were trying to raise 600,000 by February 1st which we did not get so we are not able to apply for that
Grant um I have talked to the lions lions Internationals has an inclusive playground Grant so that is very much on our radar um for a possible partnership with them um and
so yes grants are an opportunity um it's just a matter of getting the required information in some cases and making sure that we have the direction from city council and that DNR Grant when is the
next time that come comes up that we have you have to have that in by next spring year from now year from now it's one annual one time a year and I
know I want to say the kuas has a inclusive uh Grant as well I think they might be exclusive with like a certain playground company say it's miracle I could be wrong
is the council expecting anything from us at this time not you guys um we're expect well certainly having you guys there as people that want your community members to you've been around um you've been through these
dialogues you know some more of the ins and outs um you you all have very valuable perspective but no not expected to talk or present um that would be me so I'm hoping I'm advocating appropriately and if you guys need to
jump in or am Amber and I had a discussion you know because marks with everything coming up got put on the back burner so we had a sit down with our new mayor said this commission needs
direction we need to address this so we talked with her and that's why we're having this Workshop so it's it's to present here we are where does the council want to go yeah I think that's great I plan to be
there well I I I I I would appreciate if you can be there be there what day of the week is the Tuesday you can stay for council meeting after too follow up on Paul's question so we can be there but does the council
want feedback that's that would be my question I do um I think as Amber presents it and goes and when questions come up if if you want to interject you're more than welcome to
um you know how these things go but yes well that's why I'm asking a question because times the Fe feedback isn't appreciative that's why I'm asking um and I'm not saying you guys I'm saying in general when I've been to some of these meetings in other cities the
feedback isn't in my opinion we we like um good feedback not not combative yes right and and you and I both know how of these things go I mean not only here but other areas
um because there is a concern where are we going how are we going to go when are we going to get there because you can't put this on the back burner forever and we kind of stress that to the mayor so well I assume because we you guys are planning this out that you want us the
the the board there in the community you want some feedback you know city council wants feedback the M well as Amber will'll present it and it goes um are you just I'm trying to be very
Lear in my questions um to get to ask direct questions to help us move things forward um so we've had a lot more in-depth Dialogue on things and I'm trying to convey those themes
through the presentation but be very specific as 2 hours is going to fly by um and be very specific and Direct in what I need answered to help me operationally to help me plan for Capital to help us plan the park to just figure out the timing and the
priorities can you give us an example of one question for them that you're going to ask that's directly to them I am working on it but like one of the biggest things is the funding source right so we've gone kind of down this organic Word of Mouth
path on fundraising do you do you what fundraising like that's one Avenue and then local option sales tax and then if there's other things so like getting answers on some of these and then subsequent questions like okay you want
to have a fundraising we'll call it committee what are the steps then so I kind of have like the question and then like the questions what are the rules to that correct so like I literally am thinking flowcharts like like my whole
brain is just a spiderweb of flowcharts if this then that um and because I think there's multiple things that can happen simultaneously right um and then at the same time what are we doing in the moment operationally and so a lot of
that is tied to budgets and what we're doing with the budgets um so yes hopefully we get some better Direction um some food for thought hopefully we get everybody um up to speed on the project that's new
um hopefully Council can work on building consensus um and give us maybe a next step or two but again it's not going to be decided in a two-hour meeting but the public itself has communicated to the
council that they would like a a new playground is that really been communicated well I would say yes um we went through the master planning process um and two the existing playground it's
at the end of life so that is dictating in some sense a timeline um and like anything there is mixed opinion on every amenity within the
Park yeah so at the beginning the phase one and correct me if I'm wrong on this Amber was was the pickle ball courts and the playground were going to be in one phase correct at the that's that's where it was a couple years ago that's what we how we broke it down
for fundraising yes what do you mean a large a large donation to a hockey arena would change things really quickly I view it as the end goal is to improve the hockey rank address the playground
and then um incorporate designated pick a ball that's the goal that's the overarching feedback I've heard bed I'm just going to go back to where we were when we when we asked the community what they wanted the community wanted
the the the playground and the pickle ball courts were the number one Community wants a beach and a splash pad that was one and two pickle ball came in at three most used were the um playground in
Trails if I'm remembering correctly yeah they want a beach that's number one it's been number one on multiple surveys but the pickle ball court was a high priority for for the adults pickle ball was yeah came in at number three undesired amenities after a
beach and a splash pad Amber thank you for your continuous work on all this it's been a slow process but you continue to work hard on it so we appreciate it thank you I know Sher and I talked
yesterday and sometimes it feels like we're just spinning our Wheels but I uh I appreciate you guys continuing to show up continuing to ask questions continuing to give um perspective share feedback from the community
and these projects take a long time so I I thank everyone for showing up because you don't always quite see the reward [Music] immediately and it goes through a lot of
rounds of discussions and revisions so other final thoughts and things hey um next meeting would be April 3rd um I will send you guys some email updates
just if there's anything in the interum [Music] um but again March 18th is the next meeting where we're kind of going with Council hoping to get some directions there um and after that maybe we'll
reconvene and see what we need to do to keep going based off of that so so I guess that brings us to adjournment um yes then I mentioned to you guys that we may have a seat vacancy coming up so as that comes I will um
keep you posted as the timeline once that becomes official yes adjournment may I get a motion for to adjourn yes move all those in
favor right all those areos