ready when you are. Okay, we'll call the Wednesday, October 29th public works meeting uh to order. Uh to start with this agenda, we will first discuss the holiday meeting schedule. Uh Mr.
Blomber is walking away. Meeting will be adjourned. Uhhuh. All good. Uh, so the holiday meeting schedule, Tom, >> for the you'll see under the FYI,
um, we're planning to, um, move what would have been the normal November meeting at the end of the month to December 3rd. Um, that was to allow for some scheduling issues that Dave had. And um
we also are planning um on cancelling the meeting at the end of December mostly because it falls during the holidays and it's hard to get everybody scheduled to work for that. So our next regular meeting after this one would be
January 28th, 2026. Anybody have any questions or regarding that schedule? Does that work? >> Um, one more thing to make note of there. Um,
we are planning on having a public information meeting for this 26 road bond. Um, after the December 3rd public works meeting here at six o'clock. And so what we're looking to do with that is we'll have it kind of as a
kind of an open uh thing with the with the maps out on the tables kind of like BNDOT had done for 371. That way we give people opportunity to look at it, make comments and uh gather their feedback. So >> okay,
>> that should be the schedule. >> I'll do what I can to try to attend it. >> I'm sorry. >> I said I'll do what I can to try to attend it. >> Okay. It'll be a few weeks after the birth of our child. So, >> yeah, >> depending on how many parents and in-laws we got floating around,
>> if you can slide in for even just a little while, that's fine, too. >> Yep. >> We'll make do. >> Do what I can. >> Mhm. >> All right. >> Okay. Uh, next uh agenda item will be um lift station number one rebuild uh for
the 2026 slate of projects. Uh Tom looks like we have >> we have two proposals to go through. So I have them listed as Bolton and Mink and Wth I think. Um I would ask do either of you want the
other firm to step out while you go through your proposal. If you do, I'll just take you in turn if that works. Tom's question was would either of you two firms representative of WSN and Boldme uh are you comfortable being in
the room at the same time while the proposals are being read aloud by each others. >> Okay. All right. I just wanted to accommodate if if need be. Um with that I guess um would be just
you guys if you would like to go first. >> Yeah. Where where would you like to stand? Um, you can either do the podium or the table, whichever one. >> You want to sit? You can sit. >> I can stand. I like standing. >> So, committee staff, thank you for the opportunity to be here tonight to present um our proposal for lift station
number one, uh, rebuild and design. Um, we really appreciate the opportunity again to discuss this with you. Um, hopefully you had the chance to kind of go through and and read our proposal. Um, I'm going to try to keep this brief. I can talk a lot, so if you have any questions, feel free to stop me on anything. Um, just a little bit about
who we are. Um, I'm Morgan Salo. I am a principal project manager for our water wastewater group at Bolton and Inc. Um, I office right down the road right in Baxter. Um, grew up in the area. Uh, still live here with my family, my wife, and my kids. Um, and so our philosophy
in engineering is really making this a transparent process where the owner's involved in in the design. We want to make sure we can bring your vision, your your your thoughts and and everything to reality and and make you have and we want you to have a system that's going to work for not just today, but 20 years, 30 years, 40 years down the road.
That's our our vision with engineering and and we really strive hard to to do that. We're a multiddisciplinary firm. Um water, wastewater, gas, water resources, structural architectural. We have a wide array of staff that that help back us up um in engineering, right? And it's not just all engineers
working out. We have a funding group that goes after funding opportunities for communities. We're always on the lookout for that kind of stuff, right? And so opportunities like this that come up, it's a great way to kind of uh build that relationship and kind of go through what funding opportunities are out there because that's one of the easiest ways
to to do a project for a community to build infrastructure is. Hey, let's go get some funding for this, right? And so, um, that's kind of my role what I do at Bolton Mink. I'm I'm mainly a project manager, you know, done a lot of design and water and wastewater infrastructure, uh, over the years. I've also brought
with me tonight Brian Drown, one of our other senior project managers in our Bachelor office. And I'll let you let him introduce himself. >> So, um yeah, Brian Drown um in our municipal division. So, that's uh you you know your uh basic uh uh kind of streets, water, sewer. So, um we kind of
work with the collection, distribution, and then when we get to lift stations and treatment plants, then kind of turn it over to Morgan's group and um work with them. So, uh, my role on the lift station would be more with just the site design and kind of the things outside of
the lift station itself. >> Yep. And and that's our philosophy is is this team, this team approach. It's not just one person you're working with every single step of the way. We like to say at Bold Inc., we have one office with a long hallway and a lot of doors. There's,200 people behind me that if I
don't know the answer, I can go ask somebody else and help solve that problem. That that's my philosophy in engineering and and bolt the minkets. We're real people with real solutions. That's our that's our motto. Um so a little bit about this lift station. Again, feel free to stop me if you have any questions about our proposal. Um
lift station design is one that we want to make sure it's that collaborative approach like with anything in engineering, especially in water wastewater. We want to make sure that we have all the background information and that involves looking at planning documents. That involves looking at uh different developments possibly within
the city and asking questions about what does the city see in terms of projected growth. Where are we seeing growth? How are we going to incorporate this into our lift station in that's going to be utilized for the next 20 30 years at least, right? Moving moving forward. And that could take a bigger planning
approach as well and and trying to understand the different uh complexities that come with lift station design because one with lift stations you got to make sure you can pump the water that uh you need today but in 20 years you got to pump that water too and that could also be a phased approach with a lift station. That's part of what we
analyze when we're looking at lift station design and the kind of the preliminary uh portion of that design. Um we got to do survey. Survey is always critical to get accurate survey so we know what's going on. But then when we're looking at at at these plans of moving this project forward and actually
going to build it, we want to make sure that we're accounting for do you want a fence around the list station? What kind of generator do you want? All these different details that start to come out. And that's our that's our goal with our proposals. We want to we want to work collectively with the city uh to to
bring this this lift station to reality and make this functional long term for you. um you know throughout that it and this proposal does not include construction phase services. Um you know that is a separate it would be a separate proposal if this one were to be accepted and we
would scope that out under a separate scope. Um I did include some kind of typical construction type proposal uh stuff that would be included in there kind of our standard basic stuff. Um and there is some more intricacies that get into that. We want to make sure that when we're building stuff we're watching
it. We're making sure it's getting done built to the plans and specs because we want to make sure your guys' goals and objectives are being achieved and we want to make sure that it's being done in a timely manner and on budget, you know, and that's some of the stuff that as a project manager, I look at that almost daily with when we're doing
projects, right? And and lift stations, depending on the different infrastructure projects you're doing, it it it does vary a little bit at a time. You're building a big water plant. I mean, there's a lot more time and energy that goes into managing that than some of your smaller projects, right? But it's still it you you still still get
the care and dedication out of every aspect of of that project management. Um and so as we go through this um there's a lot of different things, like I said, a lot of different key pieces that we want to make sure that we incorporate your design. Um if you want, hey, we
want a really nice wooden fence around it. Let's let's include that in there and let's get an accurate cost model so we understand the implications of that. And then when you go through a project, our kind of big goal at the end is we want to make sure that in let's say in 15 years you have to go dig something up or maybe make a change or there's a new
street going through there. We want to have accurate asbuilts. We want to make sure that we're going through and accurately documenting. That's why we have field staff on site when we're doing these lift station constructions that we're documenting this stuff accurately. Cuz I've been there in those situations where I've gotten a plan set
and I've done a rehab and I'm like, "This is not showing the way it should be. this is not the way it is out there in the field. Um, and what helps with that as we're working through design is our 3D modeling now. And so one of the steps that we take to help incorporate
city vision, um, make sure we're we're minimizing conflicts cuz it's inevitable conflicts come up in projects where, hey, that pipe, we didn't see that on the old asbuilts. We want to make sure that we see this stuff and and and get a jump start on trying to make these coordination uh, pieces work in the field when we're actually building it.
And so Bolt and Mink, we utilize Revit based design, which is 3D software. Um, and we actually can model it in three dimensions. We can put a surface profile in there. We can model the lift station. We can see the piping. I can spin it around 360. I can put the specific pumps. If you say, "Hey, Morgan, I want
a specific pump, this brand, this model. I want this pump. I'll get that from the manufacturer, stick that in the model, and then we'll build the lift station around that." And then we'll be able to show you that in three dimensions what that looks like. Stick a generator control panel. like, you know, we really don't like how that generator sits, you
know, with over here. Maybe let's shift this over here. We can shift that generator over there. Our architecture group and and building modeling group can render that in a little more fancy detail. Um, you know, put trees and stuff like that in there, too. So, um, one of the key pieces that we like to
utilize when we're doing these projects, and it goes, you know, lift stations, even the little grinder lift stations that some people put on their homes, these little E1 grinder stations, all the way up to, you know, a $50 million wastewater plant. So, it's kind of my spiel. I know I talked a lot. I
apologize about that. Um, if you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them now, um, on the proposal or about Bolton Bank or myself in general. Um, so, but again, thank you for your time. I really do appreciate it. Are there any questions from anybody on the committee?
>> Yeah, I have one. Yes. Uh Morgan, what what is the basis of your fee that you come up with that you came up with on your proposal? Uh construction cost? Do you take a percentage of that? Is it based on your previous experience on you
on similar projects or what? So this one was based on the hours estimated to go into the design of the project for the scope that we identified and that's based on similar relevant experience for similar size projects um in similar communities. Um and so that's how this
specific fee was derived and and I believe there was a table in there too showing the dedicated hours towards that, right? >> Um and so that's this was an estimated uh or hourly not to exceed fee. Is that how Balden Bank typically structures their proposals or at least their fee
structure on their proposals? >> Yes. There and and some of our long-standing clients um that we have a strong relationship with uh work on a lump sum basis where it's a negotiated lump sum. Um but that's usually with a well very well- definfined scope where where there's a lot of uh of trust back
and forth. Trust that the the city knows what they're going to pay and then we know what we're expected to get paid. >> Okay. >> Does that answer your question? >> Yes. Okay. >> Tom, anything from your perspective?
>> No. Mr. Blommer, anything on your end? >> No. I I've met with the these two gentlemen and I think I understand what they're do offering and uh feel comfortable with what they've offered.
>> Okay. You mentioned 3D renderings. >> Yes. Do you happen to have that here or have you at least seen it yourself, Tom? >> Um, they have >> I'm curious to see it. I geek out on >> I can I can Yeah, I my password didn't work, but uh I can log in too if you
would like at some point and show you kind of what that modeling looks like. Um I have a whole host of projects uh across the state actually that we I mean that's how we model all our projects now is in three dimensions. It's using Revit software through BIM which is an Autodesk platform. >> Okay. Appreciate it.
>> Yep. Yeah, it puts you right in >> Sure. >> They were showing me one of the treatment plants that they've worked on. It's like you're walking right through it. >> It's a It's a video game. You can prop yourself in, walk around. I can measure things down to within about an eighth of
an inch accuracy. >> We've been dabbling within our business as well, but it's not very exciting looking at a 1,00 acre solar farm because it's the same thing every day. It's >> about solar farms and wastewater plants. >> Okay. Um if there's not any other questions
for these two gentlemen regarding their proposal uh we'll then move to the next item uh within item number two uh woods proposal review and thank you gentlemen. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Would you like me to begin Mr.
Dave? >> Okay. So you've had our proposal for enough time to review that in advance I assume. Um basically it's very similar in scope of services being hourly estimated through design and bidding. Uh
this the scope of services included um uh surveying getting accurate site information um preparing the design in collaboration with city staff on
site. In fact we have completed some of that work. We've done the site too and we have completed the sketch and description for acquiring the parcel that would be needed. Um I think the last time that we spoke with this group
we were um still debating a bit about um whether the old lift station should be rehabbed or if a new lift station was truly needed. I think we've gone beyond that to realizing that the a new live
station would provide, you know, the best flexibility for the city to get this constructed um with the least amount of risk and um transition uh from
old lift station to activating a new lift station. Um so uh I think that is in the best interest of the city going forward the next 20 30 years. Um the the main reason
um a lot of the reason for this project is looking at you know the things that are not working so well with the existing webstation. It's cycling way more than it should. um the capacity
of it uh needs to be enlarged. And so that's what we proposed uh after a lot of study uh leading up to this point including doing a study of uh lift station 12 to the south on 371 looking u
at the big picture of how that would all work into a future wastewater collection system and going to your wastewater treatment facility. So, um, I think from that standpoint, you know, we have a pretty good handle
on the city's needs and looking into the future. Our cost fee is hourly estimated. Um, it's actually not to exceed um it's very similar to
um what has been presented by Bolton and Mink. Um although we have completed some of that leg work already. So um you know it's I don't know how you're going to compare numbers exactly. They're not
quite the same. So um if it if 3D modeling of the lift station is desired that's fully within our capability as well. We do that all the time with BIM with uh building and
our architectural and also our civil ad 3D capabilities. So we're quite capable of doing that too providing good record drawings um for the city in the construction phase after construction's
completed. So um I think you know uh the only thing I can say is uh you know very comparable in scope, very comparable in price. Um if you try to meld that together and
decipher what's been done already versus what hasn't. Um you could try to take a look at that a little deeper if you wanted to. Um, other than that, we have quite a lot of history with the city and knowledge of
how all this fits together. So, I think that's something that should be considered by the city. >> Thank you, Tom. Uh, in regards to what Dave is referencing to in regards to the leg work that's been done already,
>> what would that be from your perspective? Just curiosity. So, I think largely what we've had done uh up to this point is they've identified where the new lift station likely sit and we have given that information to the city attorney to begin purchasing property
for a location for the new lift station to be built. So that's kind of settled where that where that would be >> and that information then would have been compiled to be able to go obtain this quote from Boldme or Bolden
provided this proposal based off of the same information prior to them going out sourcing that >> they both had largely the same information. Um Bake knows where the lift station would be constructed. um they haven't been given any survey
data so much but um just to know that there's a location this is what we need for a lift station this is the existing piping and structure that's there and with that they came up with a proposal and then shortly after wood came up with
a proposal and those are what you see before you >> Tom >> yes >> this is a this is a good example of where a simple Simple feasibility study done prior to this would have been you
know been handy for everybody. You have to come up with those figures somewhere along the line either in a feasibility study or when you do the design and if you did a little study then everybody would be working with the same
parameters design flows so on and so forth. And that's where something like that is really handy. And you really aren't uh paying for anything twice because the figures that come up in a feasibility study also are used or you have to come up with them when you do
the design. >> So it's just an example >> where that's handy. >> Is there any questions from the committee for the Woodstock proposal? >> Question Mr. Reese had talked about some of the work in this.
>> Did you hit your mic by chance? >> I'll bet. >> Mr. Ree had had um mentioned that some of the work in this proposal had already been done so we can make an accurate comparison for this particular project. Can you estimate how that would affect
this work that's already been done? How that would affect the fee that's indicated in the proposal? Dave can correct me if I'm wrong about his fee, but I would imagine that, you know, some of the work that he's already completed for if we were to say choose to utilize
Bolton Mink to actually build the lift station, uh, we would be built separately for the work that he's already done in locating the spot that this thing would sit. And that if we were to go forward with Widsth, the work he's already done is
already, if I understand it correctly, correct me if I'm wrong, would be in this proposal. >> And I I guess if that's clear, is it clear to everybody what's been done? >> It is to me.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh how about this this issue of the that that was mentioned in the Bolton and mink about the uh permanent backup power for for the lift station.
>> Is that something that's Yeah, our includes um designing a natural gas backup generator that would be a fixed base backup generator, not a mobile. fence included
security fence, security lighting, um, all the things that we've talked about in the past with Tom and with the public works committee. I think that's all public record. Have we have we used Bolton and mink for
any uh projects in in the past or >> we have not not I haven't used them while I've worked for the city of Minnesota. >> Okay. So you don't have any >> Well, correct. So um the city itself hasn't used them. Uh if you recall the
plans that you may have s seen for 371 >> that was >> that was they were in partnership with Ryot >> D uh does uh Bolton do you have any uh similar installations in this area or
general part of Minnesota? >> Yes, there are quite a few. Um I can get examples if you like Pime has we're working on one P right now actually the facility planning stage of that you want me to go there if you would
wouldn't mind. All right. So, question for me was uh if we have any similar lift stations in the area and the answer is yes. Uh we do. Um we've been doing lift stations in in Staples, Medina, um Pine River. I'm working on a facility plan uh for a main lift station right now, a main lift station improvement
along with larger wastewater improvements there. Um couple of lift stations in Baxter over the previous years. Um our team has worked on a few of those lift stations. Um, but we we do quite a few lift stations uh across the state of
Minnesota. >> Similar similar >> similar size. Yes. Yeah. Yep. Yep. I mean, like I said, ranging from small little grinder stations up to uh the biggest one I did was in Albertville's a triplex station that does like or no, Valley Queen, South Dakota that does
3,000 gallons a minute. So, that whole range in between. and quite a few of the similar size of what's proposed here pending final flow determination. >> Any other questions from the committee for the WSM proposal?
>> No, I could just say we've done similar size lift stations for tree communities like Nisa main lift stations like this are um not uncommon for our firm at all. Um we
do have u a laundry list of stations that we've designed and rehabbed over the last 30 years 30 40 years in Baxter and probably the biggest one was up in
East Grand Forks and for Maine under the Red River there and also BU's uh project that we're currently working looking at replacing their main lift station for the city of Brainer that
will send that waste water over to the Baxter wastewater plant. >> So, >> well, those those type of things are a much larger >> much larger >> pumping station. You're not talking about, you know, the same type. Backers are about, you know, there's a lot of
that size that are similar to what we're looking at here. So, >> Tom, >> yes. >> Any feedback on the WSM proposal >> or questions? >> I don't um I think both both firms are
quality firms. I think both firms have given us a fair proposal. They're very comparable. Um, you know, Morgan approached me looking for asked if I if we were interested in getting a um vote for the project. Um,
and I said sure. Um, some of that was in reaction to this committee and some on the city council asking me to get other opinions for engineering. And so I thought, well, this would be a good project to get that. And so that's why you have two
proposals in front of you. So um I would say you would have to weigh uh if you want to stick with uh what with WDs who we've been using for a very long
time and um you know examples of their work or do you want to take try something different with a different partner? I don't know if >> is there any formal is there any formal recommendation from you? >> Is there any formal recommendation from
you? >> Um, no. I really would rather not opinion on it because I like I said, I think they're both quality firms. I think they both would do a fine job with this project. Um, uh,
Woods and Dave have been a city engineer for a very long time. I I think we've kind of settled that recently for the time being, but uh that's up to this group. Which would you rather go with? I think there's there's a moderate price difference between the
the two quotes. Um I think they're both not to ex exceed. So it's really a matter of where your comfort level is. I think >> you want my opinion. Well, I I think I know both of the firms
are qualified. Excuse me. Uh I've gone through the proposals and they're very similar as far as scope and so on. Um I just think this is a good opportunity
for the city to uh obtain some fresh engineering design and and ideas. uh being Bolton and Minka do have the lower price. They're very similar but it's a
little lower. I I I feel that I would recommend that we go the council go with them. >> Okay. Is that Would you look Is that a motion? >> I can make one. >> Okay. >> Okay. I make a motion that uh
that we recommend to the city council that they accept proposal of Bolton and Mink to design and supervise the construction of a new lift station number one. >> Do I have a second?
>> You can ask for any discussion >> after a second. >> You can make a second. >> Second. >> Okay. show for discussion. >> Um I I guess like D I've I've looked at these I'm familiar with engineering
proposals and and for this type of work and um typically I would be looking at uh this the the public works for a recommendation. But I understand Tom both of these firms
based on the quality of the of the proposals are are more than equipped to to handle this project. Um, everything else being equal, I I guess my my thought would be to go with the
Bolton and Mink uh proposal uh based on the u the cost. I and I think it's time to I I would just look at this as a project. This is a project. We're not ending a relationship with Woods Engineering. This is a a
standalone project and I think it's a good opportunity like Mr. Stackau mentioned to maybe get another look at at you know what we're doing in our wastewater treatment handling.
>> Any feedback? >> I guess uh you know that really is probably the one thing you can go you can look at with these two proposals is the the cost. I think it never hurts to get a fresh perspective.
Um it, like you said, Tom, it doesn't end our relationship with Wits. Um it's just a project to see if if uh we'd like to go in a different direction long term. This would give us an an idea to see some other examples of work that can
be done. Um I would be fine with it either way. Um I would trust Woods Seth just as much. Um, this lift station would be a sister station to lift station 3 that we rebuilt a couple years ago. Very
similar. Uh, and a lot of the parameters that I had given both firms for building this one came from what we did with the station rate. So, it's I think we know what we're expecting and we're comfortable with what's being
offered either way. Okay. All right. So, we have a motion and a second. Without further discussion, all those in favor signify by saying I. >> I. >> Opposed? Motion carries. >> Okay. Third item on the agenda is the
2026 road bond update and plan review. Mr. Tom, >> just a quick followup with this. So, what what'll happen is this recommendation will be brought to the next city council meeting in November um for final approval. So, if you'd like to
be there, Morgan, that would be you're more than welcome. >> Awesome. Thank you. >> Okay. 2026 roadblock. >> Yes, sir. >> Um, so you have a preliminary plan set. I
apologize. It was kind of a big file. I couldn't just print it out for everyone. Um, I have a set of conserving paper around here now. [Laughter] We brought copies if you'd like. >> What's that? >> We brought copies.
>> Oh, excellent. >> I tried to print out a couple big copies. Um, electronics hasn't been my friend this back. They're preliminary, so you can keep them. Anybody else?
>> You want to go ahead and go through this, Dave? >> Sure. I don't know if you want to call this an official page turn or not, but essentially we're going through uh the streets that are slated for construction
next summer. Um the publicformational meeting would be held as Tom had discussed December 3rd at uh 6 p.m. So since we'll be going through these plans
and have them available for everyone to take a look at and um discuss, ask questions and so forth. probably the main things to go through would um be, you know, taking a look at
the widths um streets. We got our crosssections in there for uh the scope of the improvements. Um it's varying a little bit uh with
ditching um in different situations. in Lake Country that you know um sometimes the urban style doesn't fit the bill necessarily
and you have to have some flexibility in your design. So I think these reflect all that going through rural design with ditches and urban designing with curb and gut curve and gutter that's needed.
Um and that's going to vary throughout. Um kind of the u one important thing that just to take a look at and understand is the design section for most of these streets. Um
look looking at u yeah reclaiming the existing pavements um prepping that subgrade checking for any subgrade issues along the construction route fixing those as
they may appear when you open that up. adding uh virgin aggregate vase 6 inch uh vase which um in most cases in Nisma this is going
to be adequate um given the types of soils that you generally see in this area that being a granular well- drained um subgrade for the most part we know there's some areas
out there that catch us every once in a while. You might run into some silts, clays, uh in certain locations, but um >> typically sand, >> generally sand. And so, you know, with a 6 in um aggregate base and then a 2in
bit base and an inch and a half wear um total three and a half. That's uh a really good design section that covers a lot of uh I'll say different site conditions
in this area. Um it may be more than is needed in some areas but um >> can you speak to tonnage at all Dave? >> Pardon me. >> Can you speak to tonnage or carrying capability for what we're doing? So what
what it would >> road tonnage >> what what would be the road tonnage >> spring >> yeah so road tonnage is typically determined knowing you know what the subgrade factor is the soil factor
um and then you can design to a specific target design uh 7 ton 9 ton 10 ton um usually you know When we're looking at 6 inch and three and a half, that's
um you get two and a quarter equivalent um equivalence for every inch of bit and then aggregate base is one. So um doing some quick math here. Three
and eight. >> Sorry to put you on the spot. >> Yeah. Um you're going to be getting upwards of 14, 15, 16 gravel equivalents. And you know, we can go back to the charts. If
you're looking at sand and well drained sands, that's going to be um adequate for getting in at least a seven ton road, if not nine in a lot of instances. >> Yeah. So, for reference, uh most of the
Niswah city streets are signed at five tons of spring. And then probably on the weekend that I would say in some cases uh for instance uh roads that we have just milled and overlaid in Grand View where we're putting back three inches of
asphalt, we're finding an inch and a half at best. So we've we've found that over and over again on different streets in town. So that is one thing that we're looking to improve. If uh any of you are around and recall uh for instance when we
resurfaced Hazelwood uh there was a great interest in increasing the tonnage there um for some of the commercial traffic that we have. Um so this would I think we'd be signing these at at least seven tons and maybe nine depending which roads we're looking.
>> Yeah. So I think this is this is a good recommendation for the design section for for these roads. Most of them are residential in nature. Um the commercial ones if they need
something extra we can take a look at that but we usually incorporate the uh reclaim bit into the base and that adds to the total. um when you look at that.
So it really helps harden up the subgrade and get it set for the future. And three and a half inches I gives you the option where you've got curb and gutter to go do and mill and inlay in the future. Um so you know you actually
have three and a half. you can go in and do a one inch or inch and a half mil and replace that surfacing in future. So, I think that's that's the way to go with that. Okay.
Um any questions on some of the basics of the cross-section designs design section? I don't think so. The rest of the sheets going forward are plan profile sheets.
Um so the top is the plan view. Um starting with East Roy Lake Road and um essentially the scope of these projects is to reconstruct the roads within their
existing um road footprint or base with not huge amount of alignment change. Um, some of these roads have decent right of way established, some do not.
Um, we've had the discussion about acquiring right ofway extensively and I think u that's come full circle to just acquiring easements where they're needed because of cost.
Right. So >> yeah, that's I would say that's accurate. Okay. I don't I don't think there's appetite by the council to try to go down the easement route, specifically referencing say some of
these Golic chain properties. The the the price is going to be I don't want to say astronomical, but probably relatively close to that. I'm just trying to be considerate in
regards to these total dollar cost for these two packages. It it will be I mean just go ahead and take the consideration uh pulk government and h whole in a day drive >> substantial.
>> Yeah. For the >> bas on the property valuation right >> of those homes >> estimated cost of some of the estimates you could probably reconstruct a couple other roads. >> Correct. Yeah, >> that's where >> hence the prescriptive service.
The >> nice thing to note is on most of these we did um preserve um that we did pick up some of the right ofway where it was most needed. So some of the more lower traffic culde-sacs and things we left that as prescriptive
largely. But if you look at say like this East Troy Lake Road um near the uh see what inside of that would be. it would be the um the west end of it. You'll notice that we're modifying the curve going through there. So, so
there's some improvement in here too. It's not just all put it back as it is. >> Right. Right. >> What is going back is a much higher quality. I think uh we're dealing with a lot of drainage issues even though we're not picking up a lot of rightway in most
cases. Um I think when this is all done, people should be impressed. So, you can go through the the pages here. I don't um necessarily intend to speak on each page. I don't think we
intended to do that, but um it gives you an idea of where the pavement um is being replaced, the some of the intersection improvements, design with adjoining roads and driveways and so forth,
>> right? So, u the geometry on those is something that we may change a bit um where we can improve that just to um square up some of the streets they need to be. >> Dave, can I stop you for just a quick
second? So, what you see here, uh we have to get the input now in December from the citizens. This is what you would consider a 30% plan. Yeah, this is actually more than 30%, but yes.
>> Okay. >> Looks like 60 to me. >> Pardon me. >> It looks like 60% to me. >> Yeah, we're >> I mean, how far off are you even from my >> far along? Um short of taking, you know, another round of quantity takeoffs and
preparing another cost estimate in advance of that December meeting. I think we're probably 80 90% done. I don't have Do we have any questions from the committee? >> No. So, this this will go to the city council now. The >> Well, it's going to go to public
information there really because of any action for the city council up until so >> following the public hearing. >> Following the public hearing. >> Okay. Yeah. >> All right. So, what do we have to do? Just accept it.
>> Turn it at home. Yeah. Anything after home, >> let us know. >> Yeah. >> Make sure >> road trip. >> I have neither. >> Yeah. And if if looking at this at all, if you guys do see something that you
think should be addressed that isn't, uh, stop in and need be, I'll get a hold of Dave. We can go out and drive any part of this that you want to see and explain have explained further. >> Pardon me. >> I say it looks ready to >> ready to bid.
>> Yeah, it's pretty close. >> Okay. >> Well, appreciate that, Dave. Um, unless there's any other questions on the topic, uh, we will then move >> statement or adjourn. Then unless there's anything else on your end,
>> this should be a short and sweet meeting. >> Okay. Well, we will see you all on December 3rd at 5:00 p.m. And then after that, we will then continue the to the uh public information meeting. Dave,
>> one last thing. Um, and I thank you for bringing that up because that is a question that city's going to have to um, think about. Uh, so one of the prime paving contractors locally, um, Anderson
Brothers, uh, is on now off the suspension onto the department list or fully on the department, >> I believe. Yeah. Is that right, Bryant? Is that your understanding? >> Yeah. >> Wait, say that. Say that one more time.
I I I didn't hear fully. >> Anderson Brothers, I believe, was on the suspension list considering for debarment and maybe fully debarred now. And so, um, anytime a public entity like
the city, uh, municipality lets a project for bids, um, you have to have them sign a responsible contractor form. In that particular form, there it's stated that
the city will not contract with a prime or subcontractor that is on any suspension or department list. Is that state or is that federal? Both. >> Is that for a period of time? >> Um, that's
>> last I saw last I saw it said indefinite. >> That's what I saw. >> No. >> And I just bring that up because, you know, I think uh there's a lot of people that may still want to
allow them to bid projects. Um, but it's probably getting into more of the legal arena and it's something that you should probably have your city attorney take a deeper dive into and give a recommendation on how to proceed.
>> You know, one thing I've been meaning to ask is, is there any type of warranty that we would be able to seek or that has been seek for these road construction projects? Is there a one or a two-year warranty? >> It's one year. one year and then after that nothing.
>> Yeah. And that's for major um failure of the system, right? Something major. >> Yeah. >> Not faulty test reports. >> Well, warranty of talking about the construction, >> right? Yeah.
>> What was the last project we had Anderson Brothers do? >> Um lately we've had them do some patching work. Like so if you've come up past say uh up here on the main street like by Dairy Queen coming from the roundabout you'll notice there's some
patchwork there that was done by Anderson's. >> Are you are you comfortable or tanch of contractors that's capable of completing this work? >> Um we have seen some other contractors step up and come into this area and bid projects that typically don't. Um, you
know, there we did projects in Lakes Shore this past summer with Ideal Construction who hasn't had a a certified plant in the past and couldn't meet the spec necessarily, but now they do and they did a a nice job on the
street improvements in Lakes Shore last summer. Um there's also some coming down from farther north the Biji area that are starting to bid project >> strata knife river >> knife river is most local than
>> so does this is suspension hold true for all projects or just a certain dollar bank >> there's some I'll just say interesting language in how that's all written and there was something about a 30,000 or
$35,000 maximum on allowing a local that's on a suspension or devarment list to do some work. And these days that's a driveway. >> Yeah. You know, >> it's not even a driveway. That's that's
the mo fee to do the driveway. What's uh if you had a guess and this is irrelevant but relevant to the conversation. What's the percentage of the local MUN work that Anderson Brothers did that constituted their whole business? Was it
75% of their >> they well they competed heavily with Night Forever, you know, formerly Tri City and um you know so I would say they probably
did more than 50% of it in my guess, my estimation. Yikes. Okay. Well, with that, I'll take a motion for adjournment. >> Move. >> I'll second.
>> All those in favor? >> I. >> All those opposed? Hearing none. This meeting is adjourned. >> Thank you, John. >> Thank you all. Let's go project.