April 15. Okay. >> Open up the North County Advisory Board Finance Committee meeting of Wednesday, April 15th, 2046. >> Reading this executive order. >> Yeah, I have to read that because we have
>> Okay, so executive order on remote participation on March 28, 2025. Governor Haley signed into law H62, an act relative to extending certain CO 19 measures adopted during emergency,
which includes a two-year extension of the option for public bodies to hold remote meetings by suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law, general law chapter 30, chapter 18, section 18-25, the act of immediate effect, the effect
of the meeting, the current option for remote meetings June 30th, 2027. At this point, we'll uh call the meeting to order. Roll call, please. Who do we have on? We have Joe's house.
>> We have Dr. Child. >> We have Michelle WBY here. Eric Beckerman here. >> Eric. Okay. >> So, we do have a porn. >> We have a poll. Next item on the agenda is the pledge of
allegiance. indivisible liberty, justice for all. >> Thank you. Item four on the agenda, presentation of the FY2027 proposed county budget. I'll refer that to Mr. Chrome.
>> Thank you. Uh Jerrell, good afternoon members of the finance committee. Um this is I've done in the past. I propose a couple of different venues to observe our preparation presentation of this budget. I'm going to start with the slide deck presentation that Bill's pulling up right now to party packet
following this what I'll call thousand foot view. I'll be happy to go through the the budget. I've called out approximately 11 areas in the budget uh which we'll go through and then of course entertain any questions. Will that be all right with you, Mr. Chair? >> Perfect. Um beginning with uh the agenda
bill, please. Um, so I'm going to go over the budget development, revenue picture, retirement liability projection, and some highlights at the end briefly. So, as you can see on slide three, uh, we're at the back end of a budget development that began on January 7th. Um, between
now and May 13th, the advisory board will hear, uh, what the county commissioners have publicly voted on relative to the content of this budget. Slide four, Bill. From a revenue perspective, uh the county's budget
presentations by the department heads um and so forth work began as I mentioned uh in January and uh we at that time began assessing the projected revenue model for FY27. And based on those trends from prior years and continuing
um into this year, >> the screen had gone blank. >> Is it blinking? >> No, it gone blank for a second. All right, >> that's good. Based on trends from p previous years and continuing into this year, adjustments were made u mainly to
our deeds excise size which we are projecting up $225,000 into next year. The Wallson Recreational Facility continues its annual tracking of running a surplus over cost. Uh the course closed up calendar year 25 with a
nearly $200,000 revenue improvement from the prior year. The commissioners approved a new fee schedule for the upcoming calendar year 26 golf season that coupled with new recurring revenue base results from last year uh provide
an increased revenue projection in FY27 of $180,000. >> The county is also projecting its first revenue uh from the Angley Solar Project. The North Street project is proceeding and is expected to be activated in September October of this
year resulting in approximately $50,000. Uh next slide, Bill. The revenue that is trending down obviously the uh Quincy District Court um are is shown under miscellaneous receipts. We're showing a loss of $420,000 as we anticipate
closure of that facility in September of 2026. The computer access fund and the Quincy District Court parking revenue are also seeing decreased revenue projections for next year. And although the amount of revenue shown from ARPA interest is up
from FY26, the additional $813,000 is being drawn from this interest account, which will have a balance remaining of approximately $380,000. This one-time revenue is a factor that's considered unfavorable. It's
non-recurring revenue and I'm going to get into sort of the the dynamic of how that plays with our annual budget just a moment. Overall, the county's reliable revenue base is stable. However, continued pressure from healthcare and retirement liability applications requiring the use
of these non-recurring revenue sources in FY27 and likely stabilization funds for FY28 to FY33 to balance the county's budget until the retirement obligation itself is paid in FY33.
>> Slide six. Um, VINCOM members, just please uh spend a few minutes on this slide with me if you could. that it should look vaguely familiar. Um I I moved to open this conversation uh earlier this fiscal year with the commissioners and with your board to
paint a picture um that shows the stress of the county of Northport's retirement liability costs growing and leveling, if you will, between now and FY33. These obligations present quite a stress
um as the increases in continued costs outpace our revenue growth. Um I want to just uh walk you through what you see on this screen. Um up in the lefthand corner you'll see the FY27 County of Northfor retirement payment
schedule at $3.414 million. That's the cost in your budget this this coming year. traveling eastward to FY28. The cost will go up um to 3.537
followed by a dip in FY29, a return to about 3.4 in FY30, 3.5 and 31, 3.6 and 32, and then finally almost 3.8 in the final year, FY33. These costs are provided by the North County retirement
system. We don't we don't have any influence on them. Um I'm projecting uh non-recurring revenue to help balance the the county's budget over the next several years absent any other influences that shows for example in
FY27 a draw of 1.5 million from the ARPA interest account and as I said the remaining balance is inadequate to cover FY28 cost. So beginning in FY28, the county I project will have to draw approximately $1.1 million from
stabilization. If you carry that forward all the way to FY33 based on our projected stabilization balance of $7.2 million, we'll be deficient. We'll have insufficient funds come FY33,
the last year of this payment process. So, in order to achieve some idea of balance and commitment to resolving this challenge, um I'm making a recommendation the county commit to uh a minimum of $250,000
per year contribution to the stabilization fund over the next several years to help close that projected $1.2 million gap. Mhm. >> Later, you're going to hopefully take a vote to move money into the stabilization fund, which will exceed
that 250,000. In years where it's possible, I strongly recommend you do that. Um, we are showing a model here that presents to you the challenge of only one stressor, the retirement liability. What this does not capture, and you all know this from your
communities, our health care costs, which in our case are going up 10% this year. Um so clearly the county between retirement and healthcare has a lot of uh future obligations that right now uh present a challenge down the road. It's
important you tackle it now. The more you put away, the more you save, the more healthy your financial position will be when those costs come home. The good news is if you follow me again to the right, the FY34 space begins to show
the pay as you go cost of the retirement um billings. The cost will go down to $1,22,000 starting in FY34. So, as you can see, the windfall breakout is your peak payment is 3.767.
We're projecting an average of 1.5 million per year as a onetime cost. You have a balance and your new base is 1,ion22,000 which will give you theoretically in about eight years a $1.24 million annual windfall. All right. And
that's after you back out your one-time costs that are associated with payments. That good news should be a commitment of this board and the commissioners as well to take that kind of money and put it back into stabilization to grow to the level that you have right now which is
approximately 18% of your annual operating budget. Um this model is just a snapshot. It's a path. It doesn't commit you or the commissioners to any uh vote or commitment down the road to adhere to. But it's important that you see that
with some fairly stable uh and conservative financial planning, you can get where you need to go, but it's going to require a commitment to um putting money aside that can help tackle that future stabilization fund uh demand.
Next slide, Bill. Slide seven. Overall, the county budget is expected to grow by 2.9% in FY27. We're renaming the engineering department to survey engineering to align with its core mission duties. Our total funded FTA FTE
count, you'll see, is down by six, primarily from defunding five positions in the maintenance department. The the board and the finance committee may recall that the maintenance department was carrying several uh funded vacant positions to soft land the u closure of
the Quincy District Court. This would alleviate or avoid any uh layoffs. So the FY27 budget absorbs those positions and the costs are reflected. The Norfor County Agricultural High School was directed to utilize the new statedirected program with lottery based
admission. The result was this coming year more incounty students for freshman year than previously planned. This shortage was offset recently by a vote of the trustees to increase the out ofount per student tuition cost by
$2,000. Next slide. Eight slide eight. Rick frozen here. Bill at slide six. So I'm going to move on because I think believe the members have the hard copy. Um the county continues its modest improvements for budget presentations by
adding images for the first time for each department reflecting our mission. You'll see that in the hard copy. Our salary adjustments also include increases for the county director and assistant county director which would take effect in May 2027 upon the expiration of ARPA stipens. The registry
of deeds budget is funded above mandate by $193,000 and the county continues to examine cost-saving measures. Our survey engineering and facility maintenance staff now attend annual safe uh safety trainings to promote safe work
environment and lower uh which will lower workrelated injury claims. The county also accepted the Mayflower Health Group recommendations to exclude so-called GLP weight loss drug options next year. Um I was told that if the
Mayflower Health Group um had offered or supported the higher GLP weight loss program, the increase would have been close to 20% of our healthcare. So it was quite a difference cost. If you listen to the news, I don't think we're alone. The uh the final page is such a
special thanks to all the department heads who helped put together the annual budget and our fiscal team, Bill Buckley, Philos, and Moren McCun, Alec Corino, and of course, our IT team who is critical to helping us pull off the merger between all of that data and the
presentation you'll see momentarily. I'll pause here, Eric, if there's any immediate questions. Other than that, I'll dive right into the budget. >> And one quick one, please. I'm still trying to get my arms wrapped around the various disputes we have with the registry. This is funded above mandate.
What drove what drove that? >> We're going to show that in just a minute. You want me to wait? >> No. Do it when you're ready. Right up. Yep. >> I'm just trying to follow. >> It's relatively straight. Y Okay. I just have one quick question on the um revenue from the Walton
recreational facility and I and I I simple to see that you've increased rates for the golf course. Now I'm just kind of going by the title of the recreation facility being more than just golf. I mean, are there other fees
or activities visa v the tennis courts that Rachel looked at in terms of overall increases? >> No, we're not. >> Just golf. >> Just golf. >> Hey, recognize
even Joe. >> Proceed to the budget. Rick. >> Yes, I've got Thank you. the finance committee. U as you know I accustomed to call out boxes to help draw your attention to the dense detail of any given budget. So I'll ask Bill to
pull out the FY27 proposed budget starting with um page two the table of contents. uh you'll see the notice visual images. So um here we're just calling out under the table of contents the name of the survey engineering department. Our
engineering department is mostly a survey uh skill set. Um so we're reflecting that new name change follow through the proposed revenue page three bill. Next page, please. Several call outs here. I'll start in
the top left. Um, as I mentioned, we're reporting for the first time. Solar lease funds, uh, totaling $50,000. It's a fraction of the total anticipated revenue that when both phases are adopted or online, uh, could eventually lead to close to $200,000 a year in new
revenue. um that is not envisioned for FY27, but we're happy to report that the phase 2 North Street project is underway and will hopefully be reactivated later this year. As I mentioned, we're drawing down from non-recurring opera interest.
That um call out shows we're drawing down 1.5 million this year to balance our budget, leaving a balance of $380,000. Um the $380,792 under miscellaneous receipts as I mentioned reflects um uh principally
miscellaneous receipts including Quinsey rent for three months um in fiscal year 26. Also the registry of deeds excise revenue is shown at 4.845 an increase of $200,000 uh in FY27.
Um and then finally, we're calling out under recreational receipts the increase um of $180,000 um in fees in other new revenue. Overall, it said as it says at the bottom, the budget of 38 million
936,113.34 is a 2.9% increase over prior year. The next call out bill will be page 15 under miscellaneous contingent expenses are insurance and retirement system costs.
Forgive me if my page numbers are offs. Good sh miscellaneous. >> There you go. 14. So again, Bill's showcasing some of the pictures we've drawn toise.
Keep going, Bill. The first call out is for the group insurance costs. Um they're increased by 10%. We're going up $469,170. That's a larger increase than we've seen from Mayflower. Um, I believe it's indicative of some of the rising health
care costs that we're all very well aware of, but um, I don't expect that to be a recurring increase, uh, like you see from some of the other public systems. Um, as you'll see, we're carrying now 3.414 I mentioned earlier for the Northfor County retirement uh,
contributory liability and uh, costs. Um, that cost will be funded at primarily 3.4 to 3.7 between now and FY33. Next page, risk management. Um, assuming the board has it in front of them, the call out shows an increase
in legal services, which is due to new litigation defense initiated in the fall 2025 by the registry of deeds. The funding includes not more than $7,000 each for legal budgets at the registry of deeds and the treasurer's office. The next call out is the commissioner
office salary page fil here struggling with his uh laptop. The commissioner's office salaries are shown uh to increase the county director and assistant county director salaries effective May of 2027. The finance committee may be uh familiar with the um
understanding the arper stipens that both positions receive expire at the end of April 2027. The commissioner's desire to uh evaluate both positions and comp the salaries against other counties. Um,
essentially these values would now be 175,000 for the county director and 125 for the assistant county director. Um, these values come from a pretty much an average um between the Plymouth County roles and the Barnstable County roles.
We don't have a lot of comps, but those are where the values came. The commissioner supported those increases. Um, next call out will be under the maintenance department. Just a quick note on page 58.
>> Uh, it's just showing an increase. >> Page 58, maintenance department. So, this department, as I mentioned, um, is showing some changes. Obviously, we're receiving less income or revenue from the state with the closure of Quinsey, but that means we're also
spending less to maintain that building. This budget reflects that. So, when you offset those costs, those savings with normal increases in contractual obligations. Overall, uh we're seeing about $113,000
reduction in expenses excluding salary. This is just non-sary expenses. Okay. The next call out will be on page 68, the registry of keys. Gus, this is I
think and I apologize it's hard to read, but I'll I'll go through it briefly. So, the basically the buildout of the county um obligation or mandate each year is it's the is the prior year spending times 2 and a half%. That's the approach. So what we do is every
February we take a snapshot of the current fiscal year spending to date and we extrapolate it and project it out through the end of June and then in September when we hit the actuals we fix it either put it up or put it down based on actuals. So as we envision doing this for FY27
the register mandate would be 2 million 938,668. The reason that uh we see $193,817 increase is twofold. Number one, a big reason why the department the register is not uh keeping up with the spending
in FY uh 26 is the litigation that he's engaged in that affects two positions. Positions that he had requested to fill but did not follow the handbook. So the positions were not filled. It created a a salary surplus. We're carrying those
positions into FY27 on the advice of council because we do expect it to hopefully resolve itself and we hopefully won't have to penalize the um the individual slots and salaries to support them. So when you look at the mandate and you go by the calculation we are bringing those two positions back
in. That's above mandate. And then in addition the register requested $11,000 for chairs. He wanted furniture for his office. So we're providing that in group five. >> Just a quick quick question. This what
we're looking at here is the mandated budgeting for the register, not the deans excise share that the register gets. >> No, that's correct. You are correct. >> So where does that show up? >> Uh in the treasur's office. >> But from a budget from a from a
standpoint of looking at whether the register is adequately funded. >> Yes. How does that maybe it doesn't but how does maybe it's like a revolving fund for parks and wreck. You'll see it if you're on the market. >> So it's I'm not an expert in the space but the the understanding is what we do
on on the administrative side is we fund the budget based on prior year spending. That's the only rule I follow. Okay. >> The revenue that generates the funding behind that number >> is a 6040 split. It's all defined in statute. the treasur's office manages
the cash flow that is received from the registry to support that expenditure. >> Okay. So, so I'm jumping ahead, but just I'm just I'm just trying to I've been working hard trying to get my head screwed screwed down tightly. Uh when we get to the the supplemental, there's
this issue of one thing that the register should be putting in for a technology project. And I read that and said, why isn't that what the deeds excise is intended to do is cover that stuff? >> Yeah, that's better. We we put that off to the supplemental. >> Okay. Yeah. too. That's right. >> So far so good. >> So far so good. >> All right, the next page. Um you'll
you'll note that there are two salary lines that are in red. Those are the positions that are affected by the litigation that have not yet been filled this fiscal year. We are carrying them into fiscal year 27. Okay. So that contributes largely to the 193,000 above
mandates. Um registered page 71. Just to call out that the registered ad requested $50,000 for legal fees in FY27. E receives legal fee funding in mass miscellaneous
expenses. I just mentioned that to you of not more than $7,000. Page 7 uh 73 again group five showing the increase of $11,000 um in office equipment and miscellaneous equipment for uh office chairs as
requested. As we get closer to the back end here, we um find ourselves with the uh agricultural high school on page 77. The agricultural high school. First, I want to pause briefly and let the committee know that there was a change
in leadership obviously with the superintendent, but he also brought in a new business manager. Um Jenner arrived, I think in Februaryish, give or take. um highly experienced individual but put under the gun
timelinewise. She did incredible work preparing an FY27 budget not just for the trustees but the commissioners and your benefit. There was there was a casualty of that given the time and you'll see in a minute. We could not produce um in time for production all the historical spending for every single
uh person. Um so you'll see that in just a minute but I wanted to show a couple of callout boxes mostly for posterity. You'll note on page 77 the tuition for outofcount and incounty students. Um these this obviously drives the budget for the schools. Um they are now
trending at around $31,241 inclusive of capital charges for out of county and 5501 for incount students. >> John, can I ask you a quick question on this? >> Yeah. >> Um we had a very large increase in our budget in our in our town for Aggie this
year. Like we usually only have one student that goes. I think we have five this year. So, we got a we got a big bill and we questioned it. But the $1,700 capital charge, I thought I was told it was $1,800. >> Um, if I'm wrong, I stand corrected, but I'm just curious.
>> The number I was informed of by the business manager. So, >> okay, >> it goes out on the on the town invoice. It's there are two lines. There's one for tuition and there's one for capital there. If I if I look at those numbers, we have more outofcount students than in
county 311 versus 299 >> in the aggregate. Yes. All four years. >> Okay. And then wrapping it up and I wanted to show you this is what I was referring to on page uh 83 uh 82 and 83. You'll just see a list of
um sorry 834 >> all the staff and as a the historical salary classified position was not available at the time of printing. We can certainly get it for any members who want to see how much the executives assisted for the speed that it made in 2024 and 2025. Uh Jenna did a great job
giving us the data we need for FY27 information was not readily available. So just want to make you aware of that. That completes my presentation of the FY27 budget. It would be my pleasure to answer any questions you may have. >> So you Mr. Chairman.
>> Yes. >> John, on the on the no county proposed salaries, the rate of compensation and the requested amount is exactly the same all the way down. >> So, is there no two pages you just you were just talking about? All these salaries are exactly the same going all
the way down. So, I'm assuming these teacher positions would have increases based on contracts. >> They do and they they're apparently reflected in those numbers, >> but these amounts are exactly the same. So, oh wait, 7126. >> Yeah. Okay. Fiscal 27. Never mind.
Had a brain fire for a second. Sorry. >> You get two every night. >> Yeah. >> I have a question and maybe it's something that it's obviously manager could answer for the school. So,
and on page 77, I'm looking at um transportation cost and I don't see anything allocated in this particular page and line for that item. Now, it could be that it's
allocated to department. So, I'm not quite sure what >> Yeah. Um, if Jeremy shows up, we I mean, I'll ping him now to see if he can come down to address your question. >> Great. There's a few things here look like they zeroed out
that service. >> Again, I'm sure it's there somewhere. I mean, they have to be transporting the incoming students. Well, but even like even here at the central office, >> I've made the request 185
see if Jan is around. >> Uh either he either she or Jeremy. I just ping Jeremy. Thank you. That's part of part part of the uh whole issue with the registar right now um goes back to that whole mandate um the
mandate correct is that years ago what was happening is he the the budget they we were budgeting um prior year allocation plus one plus 2.5%. Oh, no. I knew about that. >> The switch. That's That's what most of
the loss of this is all about. That's that $4 million subs, >> right? >> Well, we're waiting for Jeremy. There any other budget questions? >> Good. >> The overall growth rate. >> It it actually um is relatively stable.
um approximately 2% I think it was 1.9 last year >> surprising >> um we we really don't grow a lot um it's 2.9% obviously this coming year but that's generally the area that we're in our cola >> um which as you know is tied to collective bargaining extended that to
non-UN is roughly 3%. So coming right there. >> Thank you. Uh so when you look at the through the lens of fixed costs um whether it's labor related or or contract um we typically stay in the two and a half to 3% range. Um the revenue is always the challenge Gus because we
are subjected to um I when I use the word volatile I don't mean they're They're not uncontrolled but they're unreliable. the trend they follow is a trend we know related to interest rates and the strong housing market that strong housing market here in North County. So we we
tend to know when this system is paying us back and um I try to keep the deeds money at a level that doesn't really overstate the um um optimism if you will of what is recurring. So, as you'll see in FY26, for example, we're going to
have a surplus of registry deeds once because we came in below what we knew we were probably going to get. The same is true next year. But then you have years like you did in FY um 20 or 23 24 when the interest rates skyrocketed so fast
that the uh the market just stopped >> and housing uh terms of purchasing and refinancing and the transactions fees that that pay the deeds was dramatically impacted. Those are not regular recurring factors but they do happen. Um
pandemic was another one. So, we can't plan for those. That's why you need at least 20% of your operating budget um in stabilization. I I don't know what Medfield has in it stabilization, but it probably is doesn't need to be, but ours should be because of that.
>> I don't like the word I don't like the way word volatile, but instability, I guess, is a better way to put it. >> This is uh Jenna Lecco, the school's business manager, >> and perhaps uh Jenna, we have a question for you relative to the FY27 budget. Yep. >> It's Patrick's our finance committee
chair. Oh, we welcome. >> Thank you. >> Good luck. >> Thank you very much. You used to do this, right? >> Throw it right in the high pile. >> Oh, yeah. Yep. Absolutely. >> It's okay. Just I just have a question and I'm sure it's >> in the document somewhere.
>> Yep. >> So, there is a cost of transporting in county students. >> Yep. And I noticed on the page here that there is no allocation in that particular line. >> Okay. >> Is it represented somewhere else?
>> I think I have it in one of the operating lines. But the reimburse we get re you know we get reimbursed and the reimbursement rate I believe is like 95%. So that's the piece that I budgeted the difference. >> Okay. >> So if you want it in a line I have to
amend that which >> Okay. No, I'm again I'm just used to seeing that. >> Yeah. >> And in fact, if you look at the end of year report, obviously in the 3000 series, >> that would that would be that number. >> Right. Right. Right. How much we spend on
>> So you somehow will plug that number in for what you spend. I mean, what? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Yep. That's my plan. >> Okay. >> I knew you'd have an answer. >> Oh, good. >> Anything else or I'll be back up in 10 minutes. So the amount that's above
these the 95% the extra 5% is is in one of these other lines is what you're saying correct. >> Yes. >> Yeah. I just don't have it laid out as transportation but obviously state reporting too. That's I know where it has to go. >> What what about as far as the first line
central office again 185,000 fiscal year 26 approved nothing for 27. Did that also was that also we allocated to a different line? >> Yes. Yes. Um because those look like salaries 910 central office. I don't I don't have
anything labeled central office but I have all the central office components and the operating but I did not use the label central office. So I can't actually determine what that was for that it's for salaries or contract
services. I'm unsure >> it's would be the same >> because it's central office that would be the district office like the superintendent's office. That's how I interpret that. I don't think it's >> I think it's safe to say I remember talking with Jenner about this Rick that
one of the challenge that the new business manager had was um aligning the cost um lines or budget lines the codes with our um accounting system. Jenna did the best with her institutional knowledge to uh deconstruct those costs.
Um I would expect a tighter and more uh fluid understanding of how the IB system works next year. >> Um there's a lot of back and forth and >> um the worksheet was immense to try to unpack all these costs. So >> um Mr. Chairman, can I just point in I
actually really appreciate Jenna that they are in bought they're put into the operating budget rather than having a central office because it's very hard to know what that is and so by putting them in the operating budget by the line items that actually are salary or st you know whatever they are it actually is
really helpful I think for us to understand the whole cost >> and so I I don't know just if for two cents I actually think it's more useful it's it means much more to to look at the salary than to say central office and then we saying what is that? Is that
salaries? Is that paper? Is that right? So, so I really appreciate that and um >> and I just wanted to make another comment that I thought I John you really were making a good point about and I think one of our challenges is our revenues are so well and as always in
budgeting always public budgeting especially revenues are much less predictable and reliable than having control over expenses. So we can control expenses. So, I just really um appreciate John trying to not overstate
a good year of revenues because they're just so much more unreliable. Our expenses are pretty reliable. We pretty much know and we can control them, but boy, we don't have much control over those revenues and you know, depending on what happens in the state, it could dramatically change.
>> So, that was all I wanted to say. >> You have any questions? Just one other quick question. So the $1,700 capital charge >> Yep. >> for a student. Is that all students? >> Yes. >> Okay. So does that
>> $1,700 go in a capital reserve account? >> It was divided out like among So when I when I got that figure, it was divided out among um her head. Um can you can you finish that question for me? I think
I interrupted. Yeah. I guess my question would be, so they're paying $1,700 for a capital. >> Yeah. >> If if I were a sending town and I'm paying $1,700. My question, I guess, would be, is that $1,700 just going into the general fund
or is that 1700? >> It's rolled right into the tuition number. So, if the tuition's 30, they're saying like a portion of it is capital. >> So, technically, it's buried in the tuition. >> It's buried in the Yep. It's buried in the tuition rate. Yeah. >> My understanding is that 1,800 is payback for for jobs that have already
been done. >> It's paying the principal interest. It's on bonds. >> Okay. >> So, it's not it's not surplus that's sitting in account some way to be used in the future. >> So, they're looking at the >> assessment >> and dividing that by the number of students to come up with that. >> It's an assessment per student.
And you may remember >> I picked up you may remember that the the full debt service uh debt and interest uh schedules on the front budget that it breaks out by the various school parts because I think there were five. >> Great. Right. >> Great. Thank you. Appreciate it.
>> I'll be back. Okay, next items on the finance committee agenda would be the FY26 third supplemental budget and transfer request. Director Pro.
>> Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um, this worksheet should look vaguely familiar to the committee. Um, as we wrap up FY26, um, remind you when you left off December, the value of our supplemental surplus was $134,633.99.
This afternoon, um, or this evening, the North County Commissioners who have voted upon this request wish to ask for a total of $134,633.99. uh leaving $33 $321 left over. Um this would come in a form of a variety of
projects. Um and before I get there, I just wanted to capture your attention at the top of this worksheet. Um in red, it shows a value of $300,000 for stabilization and another $100,000 for OPEC contribution. Members may
recall earlier in the fiscal year when we looked at our total surplus from last year, we set aside without actually taking a vote to do so. These values, we didn't know what we were in for for the rest of the fiscal year. You didn't want to burn through the money, but you set
it aside with the expectation you would move those values as shown. Um this afternoon I'm proposing that the $400,000 be moved um into stabilization less 25,000 excuse me with the commissioners wish to
set aside. Okay. CPR. There you go. Thank you for the apologize. The commission has wished to set aside $25,000 of that 400 for possible assignment to the registry of deeds
needs at their May 13th meeting. So at this time they request your permission to move a total of 375 into stabilization. Now moving down to the supplemental needs I'll be brief as shown in the copy on that understand. >> Yes.
>> It shows 100,000 going to OPE. Are you saying that's not going to happen? That would be my proposal at this time. Given the situation that I mapped out in our budget with the demand for more stabilization, I believe the resources ought to move exclusively in that direction and not OPED. >> And that leads to one of my questions is
what's our funding philosophy with regard to OPED? That's a I just try to understand 100,000 a year and it's a $35.4 million which simple math says it's going to be 350 more years because we know better than guessing that's not it. Um,
according to our actuary, the regular and recurring payments of $100,000 satisfies the actuar's interest that we are uh contributing to our OPED liability. >> Um, the we can have you and I probably
have an hourong debate about the funding of OPED and a community's interest in resolving that obligation. Um, I have relatively strong feelings about it given the history I have in my own community. I live in a community that has u
overcommitted resources over the years to be in a race to the top of funding that liability. Um, I believe it's uh not the right approach. I think the oped liability as you understand Augustus is a commitment to future um obligations
that if they all came in at the same time they would bankrupt you to the tune of what you just mentioned >> and the likelihood of that happening is uh minimal and I think the actuaries understand that more importantly um I think the legislature in wisdom has allowed the oped liabilities to remain
really where they are currently funded they're not demanding and certainly auditors are not calling for those obligations to be cleared like they are for the retirement liabilities. They're they're similar but different animals. They recognize that the OPED model was a
broken model from >> two generations ago that is, you know, basically our our price to pay. And as long as communities are making those regular recurring payments, they're satisfied. Um and again, the debate is how much should you be paying? Norfol
County at this point can't uh provide more than $100,000 regularly that for that obligation, especially staring um back at the stabilization needs that you see coming up in the next five years. >> I I was curious because I think we've probably the driver in medfield's got
more to do with the uh the account the accounting issues, you know, the books uh and the impact that potentially have on financing is what's driving what we're doing, the way we're doing it. Uh, but I was curious on this. Well, as it is, the actual benefits are being paid
out on a pay as you go basis, >> right? >> So, it's not like you're you're not making >> it's not like that's all that's going in. That's all the texture that's going. >> Okay. Uh, so moving down to the supplemental needs, our IT department is looking for as shown 6,500 for contractual expenses, 1360 for uh
registry computer supplies, 2673 for um county computer supplies. I'm going to get back to the $215,000 item in just a minute. That's the highlight of your question earlier. But to complete, our facilities department has hosted projects that they wish to
wrap up this spring, early summer. They include uh Denim District Court repair, uh an oil burner repair in the registry building of 30,000. Um we have a building at the back of our district that is called the Blue House. Um it needs uh stairs on the back which right
now are condemned. can't use the rear entrance. Um, fire protection services needs $1,500 correction. And then finally, our air conditioner repair account, primarily Quincy District Court, needs $30,000. Um, and the Quincsey District Court expenses do get reimbursed. Finally, the registry deeds.
>> Yes. >> Would those all be contractual commitments or is any of it inhouse? Uh the the blue house stair repair was envisioned to be uh in-house uh carpentry work, but it's been deemed to be offgrade and difficult for one person
to do. We'll likely contract the other. If you're familiar with the back of the blue house, you'd understand that the registry um again the commissioner supported this time the $3,000 contractual service request and 5,000 for miscellaneous rentals. As you can
see, the register asked for $140,000 in the various categories shown to the left. Our internal uh budget team reviewed historical spending associated with each of these asks and and measured them against available resources in these accounts and measured out that uh
as I mentioned, the contractual services needed 3,000, miscellaneous rentals needed 5,000. That part of the proposed supplemental this evening was supported by the commissioners. They are envisioning additional funds. Possibly it may. You'll hear from us then at that
time. If you'll humor me, I'm still trying to get my hands my head around what the register is doing. This has legal fees of 50 in. I'm looking at requests. Legal fees of 50,000. I think our second supplemental we gave him 50,000. So is this an additional 50? You
know, 50,000 last time. >> He he did not receive supplemental funds. We did. >> Yeah, it was for us. The commissioners did. Okay. Uh, and the printing and binding sounds like he's just going after the part of the 80,000 that he didn't get last time.
>> That's presuming. Yes. Yes. >> Okay. And then, uh, what's curious about the contractual services only 10% out of why 10% was a good number relative to >> it was not a 10%. It was based on actual spending year. Okay. Uh, I think
All right. That's it. >> Okay. Treasur's office, as you know, has had a transition. Um, later tonight, I hope the chair introduces your new deputy treasurer, but as a result of Joe D's uh bio and the transitional cost of hiring two individuals for two weeks
would require $36,100 supplemental. Uh, Wallist, Walson Recreational Facility requested 20,000, but after conversations with the superintendent, they have existing resources in another account that if needed, they could move in and finish fiscal year 26 solid. So, we removed that cost. So as you can see
overall we are expending basically the balance of $134,000 that is named for FY26. Uh the biggest emphasis is the transfer of funds to the stabilization. Finally I just wish to talk briefly about the registry of deeds IBM server
upgrade. U the commissioners received a presentation of need from the chief information officer Sam Evans on the IBM server which um controls the brown tech system um within the registry of deeds. This server system is entirely and
uniquely uh the registry of deeds and in that it does not service or provide any other support for any other department. This server goes through upgrades from time to time and Sam alerted the register back earlier this year that this particular cost was looming.
Briefly, uh it would have been our expectation that the register use what's known as the technology fund to fund this particular cost. Each register in the comm is allowed access to a state funded registry registry of D's technology fund. Each register
contributes money to the state that gets deposited into this large fund. So registers may make application for the improvement of technology and operations uh from time to time and as a result over the years the registry has made several dozen requests and over $4
million in items successfully. that money is uh applied for by the register through statute to the state. It's approved ultimately um and the money is flowed then into the treasur's office for expenditure by the register as as requested. So at this point the the
registered excuse me the commissioners are going to request that the register make application for this expense that benefits his technology um exclusively to the state to offset that cost. The IBM server upgrade um is due. We're
looking to get it done as soon as possible. And if you know anything about server upgrades, the longer you wait, more risky than so that completes my pre presentation of supplemental needs. I apologize for grabbing that last of water desperately needed. Thank you.
>> Can I ask this is a dumb question. Uh in the in that bottom balloon you have county opportunity to move portion of annual surplus. I'm just trying to be sure I understand what annual surplus is for. Is it the 25 available surplus? Is it the set aside for 20? What is the
annual when we that says annual surplus surplus? What is it actually referring to? You know, I don't think there if there's a number here that I should be looking at. You may recall um earlier during the presentation here at GFstead, I showed that if we continue to draw
from stabilization to offset the retirement liability the next several years, we're going to end up with zero balance by the time you end up >> in FY33. I'm saying here that the county should embrace the opportunity to use a portion of its annual surplus, okay, >> in any given year, okay,
>> uh at least 250,000 a year to get to that end zone, okay, >> um in a solid position, more if possible. Does that answer that? >> Yep. >> And and the surplus is virtually the same idea as free cash from the times. >> I should have guessed because they were
lower lowerase letters, but I was sitting there trying to find what number we were talking about on the >> Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. There is a small uh transfer on page two for engineering uh $500 um overtime salaries to compensation and uh no we're expecting
close Quincy District Court in 2026 September 2026 and we do expect FY26 revenue collection to be favorable as we close. So when we meet again in September we hope to have some good news regarding surplus. Thank you. >> Okay. So that clarifies my question. So
the 134 633.99 now bumps up to 633. >> Correct. >> Yes. >> Okay. Yes. >> Questions for me Joe.
Any questions? >> No. Sounds good. >> Okay. There are a host of items beyond the presentation of the budget and the supplemental. I request the finance committee and the advising board to consider. >> Um the first is to transfer the sums of
um the money to the stabilization. As you may recall that requires a two-thirds vote. Um we'd also obviously request your favorable recommendation for the supplemental. Um we're also looking to um request some housekeeping on two items. um you had previously
approved funding for um Superior Court HVAC project that is now not moving forward. We're looking to claw that money back into uh surplus. >> Okay. >> And then finally um earlier this year you were kind enough to approve of the supplemental for um office renovations
at 614 High Street, the commissioner's office. The work is largely completed and we have a surplus. We heard during the budget presentation from many departments that they require additional new furniture. So, we're looking to expand the scope of that motion for us to expend that money um the balance of
that money um in FY26. >> Thank you for your consideration. >> No. >> Okay. If at this time I'm going to entertain a motion to recommend transfer of $375,000
FY25 to the county stabilization fund. Moved second roll call vote. >> Yes, >> second motion. I'd like to recommend a
favorable Motion to approve FY26 third supplemental and transfer request holding 135 63399 and those to be paid on the declared first surplus of FY25 >> second
roll call Dr. Charles >> yes >> Mr. Red. >> Yes. >> Recommend. >> I >> I the third would be to favorably recommend transfer of $119,000.
>> Please up to if you don't the the language up to >> up to I'm sorry. Thank you. up to $119,000 from the account 30165,000 3600 080 Superior Court HVAC book project to the
county opera interest account 400000000 44 000000 is there a motion Call Dr. Charles. >> Yes. >> Mr. R. >> Yes. >> Mr. Beckerman. >> Yes.
>> Yes. And finally, we would have a favorable recommendation to approve the repurposing remaining funds in the amount of 53,944.93 of office equipment for the Milor County Commissioner's Office, which was appropriated by the advisory board at
their September 25 meeting for the use purchasing office furniture and upgrades countywide. Thank you. >> Call Mr. Ren. >> Yes. >> Dr. Charles. >> Yes. >> Recommen. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Thank you. >> Well, at this point, we're going to entertain a motion to meet. I'll make a motion to approve the meeting minutes of December 17th to the finance. >> Second.
>> I have one editor. I I'm the on the edit grammar grammar comm uh the middle. Mr. Beckerman made a motion to approve made motions to deauthorize the funding. I think that should say Mr. Beckerman made a motion to deauthorize the funding. Get rid of
those middle words there. That's it. Is there a motion to accept the minutes as amended? >> Motion. >> Second. Second. >> Roll call for Dr. Child. >> Yes. >> Mr. Ren. >> Yes.
>> Mr. Beckman. >> Yes. >> Mr. Mur. >> Yes. Okay. And again, I seek that should cover me of the finance committee of see April 15th. Motion to
>> second roll call. Mr. Ren, >> yes. >> Dr. Charles, >> yes. >> Rebecca Man. >> Yes. Yes. Thank you. Call the meeting to order of North County Advisory Board.
>> Executive order on remote participation. On March 28, 2025, Governor Healey signed into law House 62, an act relative to extending certain CO 19 measures adopted during the state of emergency, which includes a two-year extension of the option for public bodies to hold remote meetings by
suspending certain provisions the open meeting law general law chapter 3A subsections 18 to 25. That action was effective immediately extending the current option for remote meetings through June 30th, 2027. We will start with our roll call. >> Hang on.
>> Wait a minute. Hold on. Wait for >> I only have two hands. >> Calm down. You'll get there. >> It's a long list. I don't want to pick it up. >> I did the same thing in our first
votes. >> Okay. Ha. >> Hi. >> Bellingham. >> Bra >> here. >> Brooklyn >> here. >> Kenton. >> Yes. >> Denim
>> here. >> Dober. Boxboro >> here. >> Franklin. >> Thanks. >> Medfield's here. Bedway >> here. >> Sure about Medfield. >> Not really. I think I heard a hear from
Medway. >> Yes, >> Medway is present. Yes, >> thank you. Milis Milton >> here. >> Nino >> here. >> Norwood Playmills >> here. >> Quinsey >> here.
>> Randolph. Darren >> here. >> Stoen Walpole. Welsley. Westwood >> here. Wayan >> here. >> Right.
>> Okay. I have 66.02. >> But we do have a quorum. All right. So, we will continue on with the pledge of allegiance. Commissioner Sty, would you lead us in the pledge of allegiance, please? I pledge allegiance flag of the United
States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you everyone. Welcome. Um I want to start off just by recognizing uh we have a new deputy treasurer, Robert
Fontana. We welcome you. You're going to need it. Uh, can I is this Mike Bardi? Can I say a few words too in terms of assistant treasur? Can you guys hear me? >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. Just quickly now then I'll uh
either you can ask some questions or just leave it at that. So uh Bob Fontana came to us through a pretty rigorous process uh that we followed with the HR the commissioners. Uh he's got a couple masters. is I don't know if you've seen his resume taxation accounting
mass maritime grad uh Joe D Joe Diora was kind enough to kind of train in the last two weeks that's why we got a few extra dollars in the budget this year because uh uh Olympics requested it uh uh so that they would have a twoe
opportunity to uh to really uh do as much as possible in terms of cross training of course you know Joe's leaving with 40 years of experience and as you So, county government is very new to us when it comes to the particularly with uh some of the issues that we've been talking about either, you know, for
litigation or otherwise and he comes uh with a learning curve really around that piece but not about the fundamentals uh of accounting and being a assistant treasurer. So, that's what I have. >> Thank you, Treasury.
>> Thank you. >> Would you like to say a few words, sir? >> I I have nothing. I got my email at some point. I promise. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Then we will move into our public hearing. In accordance with chapter 35, section
28B of the general laws, I announce the need for a public hearing of the North County fiscal year 2027 budget open. The hour being after 6 p.m. will entertain a motion to open the public hearing. >> So move 27 budget. >> So move. >> Seconded.
So moved by Joe, second by Kyle. >> All right. And we need a roll call vote for that. Let me know when you're ready. >> Thank you. >> Okay. Avon. >> Yes.
>> Bra. >> I. >> Brooklyn. >> Yes. >> Yes. Dennis, >> yes. Boxboro, >> yes. >> Medfield, yes. Medway, >> yes. >> Milton, >> yes. >> Needam, >> yes.
>> Planeville, >> yes. >> Quinsey, yes. Sharon, >> yes. >> Westwood, >> yes. >> Way, >> yes. >> Unanimous. >> Okay. So at this time I will ask the
county director um to review and briefly discuss 50 the fiscal 27 budget. Mr. Cron. >> Thank you Mr. Chairman. Good afternoon good evening uh members of the advisory board. This evening I'll take a similar track as I have in the past to present
to you a brief slide deck of the overview of the FY27 budget. Following that, I'll go into the budget itself where I've provided approximately 11 call outs which I'll go through system systematic system systematically for you. Um, and at the end I'm happy to answer any questions at all about its
content. The agenda for the uh PowerPoint includes a brief budget development, discussion on revenue, uh a little bit of insight and time spent on the retirement liability cost uh monument and then finally some highlights for our FY27 budget.
Slide three. You can see we are at the back end of a process that started on or about January 7th. The budget memo was distributed for departments guiding them on how to develop this budget for your uh consideration. The commissioner voted on this budget um on March actually a
little later than March 25th. Um and we anticipate that following this public hearing we'll see you again on May 13 portal. The revenue associated with this budget follows budget presentations um that
were made by department heads that began to build up this budget work began immediately after that January 7th timeline. Could you anyway get that screen large see better back here we can see what it says so we can speed it better
>> that's about the best we can do that good >> uh to assess the projected revenue model >> based on trends from previous years and continuing into FY 26 these adjustments were made primarily deeds excise which we're projecting up um over $200,000 the
Wallis recreational facility also continues its annual tracking of running a circle over costs. The course closed calendar year 25 with nearly a $200,000 revenue improvement from prior year. Furthermore, the commission has approved a new fee schedule for calendar year 26
that coupled with new recurring revenue based results from last year provides an increased revenue projection of approximately $180,000. The county is projecting its first revenue from the Aggie solar project. The North Street project is proceeding that is expected to be activated in
September October 26 resulting in approximately $50,000 in new revenue. Slide five, Bill. Not all revenue is going up. We are showing miscellaneous receipts going down approximately $420,000 next year.
That is largely and almost completely related to the closure in September of the Quinsey District Court. As you may know, we receive funding from the state to offset those expenses. This reduction reflects that beauty access fund, the Quinsey District Court parking revenue.
Smaller items are also showing trends down in FY27. So although the amount of revenue shown um in the URA, excuse me, in the revenue model you'll see in a minute, um shows ARPA interest is being spent um up from Medway 26. This is actually not good
news. This additional $813,000 is being drawn from interest which will have a balance left over for next year approximately $380,000. This factor is considered unfavorable. This is nonrecurring revenue. We'll get into that in a few minutes.
Overall, the county's reliable revenue base is stable. However, continued pressure from healthcare and retirement liability obligations require use of these non-recurring revenues and likely stabilization for FY28 to FY33
to balance the county's budget until the retirement obligation in this case is paid and FY33. Next slide. Excuse me. Members, I'd like to call your attention to this brief, I call it a path or a
model that calls attention to the larger retirement obligation. The numbers I'm about to explain to you are sourced from the Northfor County Retirement Board. If any of the members of this board are members of the Northfor County Retirement System, you know, they are accelerating like many systems, the cost
of their liability to close that by FY33 and before the perak deadline of FY40. Briefly, in the upper leftand corner, you'll note The FY27 North County retirement payment schedule begins with
$3.414 million being paid. As I mentioned, the cost to offset that in your budget is $1.5 million and it's coming from the ARPER interest. Next year, I should say FY28. The fund um excuse me, the cost increases to about 3.5.
And if we keep that $1.5 million contribution going, we'll need to find another source other than ARPER interest. And in this case, it's your stabilization account. So, as you can see, um I want to call your attention to the top line. So, you can see the growth some cases a little bit of volatility and the retirement
payment schedule. Uh starting in FY24, 34, it goes to 35. A dip in FY29. That's nice. But then it begins to go up again to 34, 35, 36, and it peaks in FY33, the yellow column, at just about $3.8
million. So, I've done my best to sort of imagine what the projected non-recurring revenue may be needed to offset that cost in the annual county budget. And as a result, you'll see the way to get there is draw down on your
stabilization fund. Hopefully after tonight, you'll see a stabilization balance of approximately $7.2 million. And if you begin drawing that schedule down against that balance, unfortunately, you won't reach the
finish line. You'll be short FY33 unless you do something. So, I'm suggesting that the commissioners and the advisory board plan to put a minimum of $250,000 each year into stabilization between now
and then to meet that final obligation amount of FY30. You'll meet you you'll get where you're going if you put an average of at least 250,000 into stabilization. This evening, we'll be asking for more than that. So, you'll get the idea. If
you could put more in, you're helping yourself. We'll get to that in a second also. So by FY33, if all goes well, um you have paid off the balance of this liability and by FY34, good news arrives.
You can see a windfall begins to develop and as I molded out here, if you take the peak payment, you back out your one-time cost, you end up with a new base uh of 1.022 million. That'll pretty much level off as you go forward. That
means the county has in its budget a windfall of about $1.2 million as we sit to today. I would recommend that if we're all sitting here at that time that we seriously think about taking the majority of that money at that time and build your stabilization back up. Today,
um you will see your stabilization is approximately 18% of your operating budget. That's pretty good. Um I our our goal is to get to 20%. I don't think we're going to get there, but in FY34, those who make the decisions should be
looking to take that windfall or most of it, put back into stabilization, build it up so that your stabilization reaches that 20% goal. So, I just wanted to paint this picture. It's similar to something I've shown you in the past, but I've given you the real numbers from
the retirement board now. And I think it it it it allows you time to process how much money needs to move into the savings space to achieve your goal of clearing this liability with much without much disruption to your base operations. >> Mark questions now or you want to at the
end? >> Uh let's wait till the end. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Next slide. Bill seven. >> Budget highlights. This county budget is projected to grow by 2.9%. We are renaming the engineering
department herein to the survey engineering department to align with their core duty submission. The total funded FTE count is down six primarily from the defunding of five positions in the maintenance department. Members of this board may remember for years you've been funding um vacant positions within
the maintenance department. The state makes up its mind of when they're going to close Quinsey. We did not want members of the maintenance department laid off when the state decided to close. So as a result, this budget absorbs those positions and but it also does reduce your funded FT count by six
in this case mo mostly out of maintenance. Uh with decreased revenue from the state to operate the Quincsey District Court, this plan previous vacant position deletion offsets the revenue loss. And then finally the Northfor County Agricultural High School was directed to utilize a new state directed program of lotterybased
admissions. This result was more incounty students for freshman year incoming than previously planned. That revenue shortage was offset by a vote of the trustees to increase out of county tuition um by $2,000 per student.
Slide eight bill. The county continues its modest improvements for budget presentations. For those of you who have chance to look at the budget as it was given to you, you'll notice we're adding images as we continue our annual process of improving the appearance, the readability for people unlike us who
might be interested in the work that you do. It makes it more approachable. Um, we are also adding salary adjustments for the county director and the assistant county director that are to take effect in May 2027 upon the expiration of our stipens. I'll give you those details in a moment when we get
into the budget. The registry of deeds budget is funded above mandate by $193,000 and the county continues to examine cost-saving measures. Our survey engineering and facility maintenance staff now attend annual safety trainings multiple times a year in some cases to
promote safe work environments and lower work rellated injury claims. So far that's proved very productive. And furthermore, the county accepted the Mayflower Health Group recommendation to exclude so-called GLP weight loss drug options for weight loss programs next
year. Finally, I'd like to, as always, thank the multiple people who contributed to preparing this budget for your consideration. That includes all the department heads, their teams and our internal physical team including Bill Buckley, Phil Antska, Mari McHune, Alec
Fino and our information technology team who are always very helpful uh with the tech to uh build this product. That concludes the deck. Um at this point, Mr. Chair, if you'd like, I'll dive right into the budget and the call out sections that are associated. >> Yes. Only because those call out
sections relate to some of the >> they're all you'll you'll hear some redundancy to answer that. There are approximately 11 call outs. I will go through them by calling out the page number to help you associate where we're heading. Um, in no means am I trying to overlook any details within the budget.
I'm here to talk about anything that's on your mind. Can't guarantee I'll have all the answers, but do the best we can. Bill, um, page two, just showing again the new name for the engineering department will be the survey engineering department. Just one thing I was pointing there is that we're we're
one page ahead. So his page two is our page three. >> Thanks. >> The same it's same page just just >> next page revenue. >> So this page as you have commonly um to find out is the landing spot for all the revenue projections in the balanced
budget view. Several callouts. I've already mentioned many of them. First again highlighting the solar lease is starting to yield revenue $50,000 next year. uh we're drawing down from recurring ARPA interest. Um again, we're we're successful. Um we'll be left with
a little over $380,000 after fiscal year 27. As you'll see under miscellaneous receipts, we're carrying three months of Quinsey rent. Um the state has not moved off its plans to close that building around Labor Day this coming September. Um so I'm
confident that we won't see any additional movement or costs. If they are, we'll see you in September. about that. As I mentioned, we are increasing DX size by uh up to $200,000 in FY27 and we're also looking at an additional
$180,000 in gain for recreational receipts from Wall Recreational Facility. The next call is on page >> 15. Uh miscellaneous contingent expenses. What page number? >> Uh5.
>> Okay. Thank you. >> It's known as uh miscellaneous contingent expenses insurance op. >> Actually, it's on page 14. >> Um Bill catches up. So very briefly um we we noted it but the group insurance cost
for the county is going up 10% in FY27 um from 4.7 million to 5.2. Just a footnote Mayflower Health Group did advise us if uh the GLP option was in play our insurance cost would have gone up to up by 20%. So it's a considerable
cost savings not adopting that. Just a footnote um it's it's very much in the news. Um the GLP costs are um quite expensive. Um the Mayflower Health Group has made it clear that the GLP options for individuals who need those services as a result of medical care i.e.
diabetes and things those are covered. This is excluding GLP is a manner for weight loss exclusively. That's all that's the big difference. Okay. Um moving down you'll see the contributo retirement call out of 429,415 up from last year. Um, that is our
retirement contribution that I mentioned earlier. Next page, risk management legal services. We're asking for a $41,000 increase due to new litigation defense, which was initiated in the fall um 2025 by
registered deeds. Funding includes not more than 7,000 each for legal budgets for the register of deeds and the treasures office. Those are unchanged earmarks. The next call out is 34 34 which is the commissioner's office
proposed salaries bill pulling this up briefly. As the board members may realize during the course of the ARPA program the commissioners provided stipens to the county director and the assistant county director. Those stipens end April 30th 2027. The commission has wished to um
examine the costs of salaries for both of these positions and arrived at a value of 175,000 annually which will begin May 1st 2027. So you see a modesty increase for the director there and 125,000 annually for the assistant county director. Those values were
primarily derived from our comparative val review of salaries um from Plymouth County and Barnstable County. These values primarily show the assistant county director and the county director be in the middle between Plymouth and Barnesville County. That's where the values came from.
The next call out will be on page your page 57. This is the maintenance department proposed expenses. I think as I mentioned with the closure of Quinsey District Court and the reduction in possessions, we see the maintenance department um budget uh
decreasing. Um and it's just important to note that the non salary costs um absent any increases that come from contractual obligations and the net is $113,000 savings. Most of the savings are coming from the salaries because we no longer have to service the five
positions that will be there for three quarters of the year next year. The next call will be unpaid 67, the registry of deeds budget. Excuse me. Members may be accustomed to this callout box which examines the projected mandated uh funding level for the
registry of deeds. Each year we take a snapshot of their spending usually in uh February and we extrapolate that spending through the end of a fiscal year. Based on that number, we fund the the mandate at spending at 2 and a half% above that for next year. In the event
the registry's actual spending changes from that level, we adjust it in September. You have now done that for several years. In this case, the registry's mandate would be 2,938,668 for FY27. The recommendation is to fund that with
an additional $193,817. that is primarily carrying two positions into FY27 that have been unfilled uh for most of FY26 as a result of litigation initiated by the register of deeds. Um those positions are part of a litigation no
matter what the outcome. We don't want to find ourselves on the wrong end of funding them. So we're funding them in the budget for FY27. And in addition to that, the register requested funding to replace chairs in his office and we're funding that in group five um $11,000. You'll see that in just a second.
As you can see on the next page, I highlighted in red the two positions that are vacant currently pending litigation initiated by the registry. Uh we'll see what the outcome of that is. If they indeed need to be filled, you have the funding to do it. They don't get filled, we don't spend money.
And then following into U bank 70, which is group two, just a highlight, the register did ask for $50,000 in legal fees. um his his legal fees are funded in the miscellaneous category I showed you earlier along with the treasurer of
not more than $7,000 per year. Group five on page 72 bill um I just want to show the increase to the group five equipment line totaling 11,000 for the office chairs as requested by the register. So those two positions plus
the chairs of the 193,000 above mandate. Now moving to the agricultural high school budget, there are two callouts. Just very briefly, I wanted to show on page 76, Bill, um a banner that pretty much presents the tuition picture that many of you in your communities and the communities you represent. You're
probably asked a lot, how much is tuition, yada yada yada. So in FY27, the Aggie is promoting a 11.36 million tuition uh proposal and that's made up of 311 out of kids at a tuition rate of 31,241
and 299,000 incount students at 5,501. These costs are inclusive of a $1,700 capital charge which is assigned to every student. Same value no matter if you're in or out. And then finally um on page the very back I just wanted to call attention to
something that emerged as a result of budget buildout this year. The historical data of each of the Aggie positions was not available at the time of print. Very briefly I mentioned this to the uh finance committee. There was a change in leadership at the school. You know you
hired a new superintendent. He brought in a new business manager. I think Jenna started in February. You can imagine being handed the task of preparing a budget. never seen before and getting it ready for the commission's approval about 6 weeks later. I want to tip my hat. She did a great job. Um not only
did she have to learn our system and meet with all the stakeholders, she had to present it to the um trustees. Did a great job. I spent a lot of time with Jenna. She's a pleasure to work with. Um but unfortunately, her knowledge of the system and the time to pull that historical data didn't align. I didn't think it was that important to know you.
If you have any questions about an individual u position, just let us know. We'll provide that to you. Importantly, there is historical total information at the back that shows um the total historical spending um by year for those positions, but not individually
pursuing. >> Mr. Chairman, that concludes my presentation of the budget uh with callouts uh with efficiency. I hope I'm prepared to answer any questions you might have about that. >> Right. Before we go into questions, I'm going to ask um the what was the vote of
the county commissioners on the budget? >> Uh unanimous. So I will now open for public comment um if anybody does want to speak. We ask that you um identify your name community
and start with and we're going to start with the members. So is any of the member communities have a question start with that Mr. Pluto >> the uh the the stab fund we talked about. Okay.
Isn't that more like a rainy day fund? >> Did you repeat the question? I'm sorry. >> The stabilization fund you want to use? >> Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. >> That you to me is a catch off of any if you want money to to do it. But we use all the money to pay that thing down. I'm just worried about a few years from
now we have a big money. Y >> that schedule won't work. Am I think I'm just asking that question? >> I I I don't disagree with that note. And I think the county the the the poison pill in my experience with public accounting public budgeting is when stakeholders and decision makers do not
acknowledge problems and they do not plan for or look to solutions ahead of the problem. They tend to make them worse. Um all my presentation shows is that you have a looming obligation. You need to see it for what it is. you ought not to really consider expansion
initiatives and new programs and things that take you outside the boundaries unless there's a bonafideed reason and a revenue source to support them. Um in most cases the kind of modeling I just showed you um Mr. Pledo is is just that it's a snapshot. I would venture to say
if people are all these people are sitting here in three years it'll look a lot different. There could be other budget stressors that are presenting needs for a shift in some of that assignment. Um, I would agree also with you that the stabilization is a rainy day. You should only use it for typically one-time expenses to get you
through a problem. And as I as I showed you, although this problem is multiple years ahead, it does have um a shiny end, if you will. Um, and with a stabilization, if you use it smartly and if you're contributing contributing to it in a robust fashion, you should be
able to weather that storm. And that's the nature of using stabilization. We simply don't have enough resources otherwise to handle that kind of um obligation. >> I'm not you don't I'm just saying you know down the line it be going to have something go down for big money and just
that schedule work out someday. We not going to be here at that point but >> it could also work the opposite direction if revenue is coming higher >> or you know higher. No, it usually isn't. >> You know there's always a possibility it could be one way or the other. Yeah, I
know. But yes, >> another question. >> Um, I'll ask you one more and then we'll go to to others and then we'll come back to you. >> Just medical insurance for GI insurance >> Mayflower Health Group. >> Have we ever thought about moving to the state GIC? I mean, is it cost better? I
mean, I'm always a teacher, so we're on the state GIC plan. It's a great plan, but I don't know what uh blue room school uh uh memo we go to GIC. I'm just thinking about you know GIC versus
Mayflower is a better deal. I don't know. I'm just he he's not budging with that higher I don't think. >> Um again, MTO I think that's a great question. Um the first I have to acknowledge that healthcare um choices
or agreements that the county has are bound by a public employees committee. The pack if you will um is made up of both collective bargaining and retirement individuals as well as management who contribute a group think as to what is the best value for its
members going forward. Um moving to the GIC has um two challenges. Number one, you have to overcome any hesitancy or null vote, if you will, from the PE to get there. That's and don't overlook that challenge. Yeah. >> The second challenge is exiting from the
plan. If you're familiar with the movement from one health plan to another, many of them um include what I'll use as poison pill. You have to pay out a perm cost to get out of the system. And it's designed so that they want to keep you, right? They they don't want to make it easy for you to leave.
So, there's a cost for leaving. And I don't know what that is, but I do know it's six figures. The last time I checked, >> I know Jenna looked at that one time and then you move out and cost back and just get mentioned. >> But I want to add because I do think it's an excellent question. Um there are communities that have done what you're
suggesting. Um they've recognized that the the the groups um within the state that control the healthc care in in their respective areas um are finding it more and more difficult to control these costs. their competitiveness is shrinking and the members are squawking
because um if they're not if they're not able to control the cost what happens is they begin to push them back on the members and in some cases you could start to see communities doing 50/50 or or 6040 and and it's not the desired outcome. So I know of at least one community that did exactly what you
suggested but it was with the ascension because the the group that supported them was starting to dissolve. >> Yeah. So there was no perm out. They the peek had a clear vision of going to the GIC and they did it saved quite a lot of money I might add because the the the
the the market um cost if you will going to the GIC is very attractive but I just want to present to you the commissioners and any other stakeholders there are two major obstacles that can't be overlooked. Good question though. Very good. >> I've been on that program my wife and
I've been sick of it cost me nothing. Heart attack nothing as I had a heart I'm going but it was a big expense and cost me 500 bucks. I'm so GIC plan. That's what I'm saying. >> We we went through this exact thing in
our community. We just did a full um review of of healthcare and GIC was shot down immediately by the packing art police, teachers, fire and the teachers actually have the control because of the the member the size of the membership. Um but the GIC they they flat out
rejected it. It wasn't even a discussion block. They said absolutely not. We put a table last year to talk about healthcare and we get >> it lasted about 10 seconds. Healthare is killing every community and their healthare cost is amazing. It's crazy. >> Thank you.
>> All right. So, we'll move on to is there anybody else that has any questions? >> Charlie Ryan survive. >> Thank you. Good evening everyone. I just want to commend the the commissioners and uh the county director uh Mr. Cronin
for a wellthoughtout budget that looks not only at uh the immediate needs of the county, but the long-term issues that we, as was previously stated, we can't avoid, we need to look at them now and have a plan. And I like that we have
a plan now that we can revisit and adjust as we move forward in time. And uh it's a it's a great budget. I'm going to be supporting this. Um, and I just want, you know, the town of Brainree is going through some very difficult
financial times, and I like to see this wellthoughtout budget because, um, you know, it does have an impact on all the cities and towns that, uh, all the advisory board members are representing and it's good to see that we, um, we have a wellthoughtout budget. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Ryan. Any other questions from boards? My I I actually have one question, Jenny. Um using money out of stabilization usually affects bond rate. Um have we talked to our bond um council at all on how this how this plan might
affect? >> It's a little No, we haven't. It's a bit premature to suggest um what that might have on our bond rating. I would remind many of the board members that most of our bonding is completed. Uh we have no uh anticipated bond projects upcoming
that would be affected by any change. Our bond rating is um not AAA. I know that it's uh a trip uh capital A little A plus. Um it is a modest rating reflecting our relatively low bonding. So I'm not overly concerned about it.
But certainly when we do start drawing stabilization, I'm sure our actuary will give us some feedback on what that means. But in the context, Eric, why are you using stabilization? This goes back to Mr. Pledo's question. If you're using stabilization uh to pay for contractual obligations
associated with a police contract and you don't have an offsetting plan of when that one time money is not going to be needed, most actuaries are going to say you're in trouble. You're creating a house of cards. That's not the case here. We certainly have an obligation. We want to pay it. We have an obligation
um that we see has an endgame and we have the resources to get there. So most actuaries would say we understand it. Just keep us informed. So, uh, I think that's basically the best way to look at it, but I wouldn't be overly concerned about impact on bond rating at this time. >> Okay. >> Question more question. Any questions
from the board? >> Before before you, Tom, I just want to make sure if anybody else has any other questions. >> No one. >> All right, Mr. Pledo, >> just just say FY 2027 request. That's a request to you to the commissioners or
request from the department? >> Both. Ultimately, it's the commissioner's request at this point because they've voted on it. Mr. Leo, >> you may have requested more money to happen, but this is what you have recommend. >> Uh, that's correct. In fact, I will tell you that based on the total requested departments against last year's revenue
model, we exceeded uh request by over $2 million. >> Just as how the request >> Yep. Okay. That's how the process works. And the other issue, you know, is very sort of something simple to me about the APA money. You told us back in 22 and the commissioners and you said to my
face and me public thing the money $30,000 go away. He says the 30,000 when the program is ended the 30,000 will go away. Now you're lying to the board because now you're getting it back the back door. >> I'm sorry. Did you say I'm lying to you?
>> Well, some the budget is you set the meeting. I asked you right. You said the 30,000 will go away. >> It is going away, sir. >> But you're getting But you're getting money through the back door of the race. So it's really I was going away, but you're getting it through the salary. So it's >> one hand to the other. That's all it is. >> This is a decision of the of the commissioner.
>> Well, I'm saying you know I was told by that day and you that $30,000 away on the money that wouldn't go forward. So now you can the budget you're doing up to 175. So you are you are taking some money the time money to to make a sale
with but I'm just you know we say >> I would look I would look at it more as a as a market adjustment on the positions then than uh than back filling the same money. I wouldn't say that because they did comparisons on both positions try to see if the commissioner
if the two positions keep in line with what other community whether other counties are paying that's >> okay >> that's noted >> no saying you're saying one thing three four years ago now it's different I'm just signing so I wrote that as a as not
telling the truth >> again that would be a question for the commissioners I don't know Mr. Go ahead. >> Absolutely. >> Yeah, I'm happy to answer it. I know. I saw Rich was ready to go too. So, um you're right. You're right. So, we gave
additional money to the county director and the assistant county director for managing the ARPA. Um the percentage that we used for internal management of ARPA was much less than the other counties. And by managing it it internally, we saved a lot of money
which we were able to pass on to the 28 cities. >> And our goal and we brought this right up to you. Our goal at the time was that once this ends, um, it wouldn't be continued on. You know, it would stop and it did stop. But at the same time,
we learned more about the positions through the other counties. Um the Barnes County pays their county director $225,000. And um when we looked at the the bigger picture, we realized that the market for
those positions that we have for the salary right now wasn't appropriate. It didn't match. And so, uh we asked the county director, um to look at the other the other counties because we want apples to apples, right? So, um, really
the bigger counties are, um, Barnstable and Plymouth. Those are the biggest ones. And so, when we looked at, uh, those salaries, this salary is actually, I know John said it's it's kind of in the middle. It's actually still light. It's still light from 50% like in the
middle between those two counties. So, um, we're trying to make the position more marketable regardless of who's in it. If if, uh, these two individuals are in it forever, that's great. if they're not in it, we want to be able to attract people that um will be solid in that
job. And right now um the market wouldn't fill those the market would call for much more for those positions if we had to fill them. And at the same time, we're very pleased with these two individuals. We we don't mind rewarding them for the for the good
work that they've done, but at the same time, we want to keep them. Russian stadium. >> If I could just to piggyback on my colleague. Uh you're right. When you're right, you're right. You did say that. I remember that. So I want to acknowledge that. Get a crystal ball. Can you tell
us a winning? Give us a winning number for tonight. Can you tell me that? But seriously, uh I understand the market. I I understand that like all time managers. Yeah. >> I almost $1,000. Say he's almost like a town manager, but no account. So you
know, I understand the market is hot. I would say to be truthful what the opera stipen if you will allowed us to do was to postpone a good hard look at the position because the salary and the earnings were kind of comfortable to say on a personal level which probably isn't
the right way to do business. You really shouldn't be looking at the personal position. I know in Meltown uh Charlie Judy distinguished uh former fire chief and administrator just retired and they're looking to advertise that position that'll be well over 220 and I know it's apples and oranges to some
degree it's different's got a bigger budget and responsibility but still to attract and maintain where we are you have to kind of keep up with the pace so we did take a good look you know comparable positions and the market driven price what we came up with I mean
that's as simple as I can make All points taken. You know, like I said, I think it's it's worth it uh to keep that position where it is and to maintain the salary irregardless of the person. I think that's going up. We did the same thing with the uh Andy. We had to make an adjustment on the
superintendent and the other positions again to be compatible and the results are definitely proven. We're very delighted with our new superintendent and the assistant superintendent. We're getting good results already. We see some good things ahead. So you'll see you pay for what you gather, you know.
So that's the bottom line of that. But that that point we'll take it. >> We went through this exact same thing in in our town. Our treasurer who had been around for 30 years retired. But what she was making and what the forer was way off. We had to increase our our town budget by almost $50,000 for that one
position because we couldn't attract anybody. You know, you're not going to get good people if you if you're not paying basically by bottom line. Mr. Ryan, move your hand up. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to take a minute to say um I've been on the advisory
board for maybe 22 years and we've never had better staff than we've had we have right now with Mr. Cronin and Mr. Buckley and just their professionalism, their job performance in their
knowledge. We're extremely lucky to have them and I fully support uh this budget including uh their new salaries. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. >> Oh, one last thing. Yes, >> Eric. U so the ARA money doesn't run out
till almost the end of the fiscal year of 2027. So, um the salary isn't bumping up that we're paying it the whole way. It only it only picks up at the end at the very end of the last month or two. >> Okay. point taken. Thank you.
>> The uh when you did the the retro deeds on his uh mandate, how you figure, you know, how do you figure that 0.25 or 25 spending? Is that over budget last year or spending year to date? How's that pick it up?
>> It's it's 100. It's 1 102.5% of the prior year spending. That's the mandate. But like I'll bring up later, but you know he's got a couple positions that on Phil Jackson the court else. Okay. So there's extra money in that
account. Is that going to hurt to me that how when the 2.5 that got to hurt him next year where they're not filled and the two salaries aren't there all year long $100,000 in salaries that once once those jobs are filled the court battle over they'll fill those two jobs.
Now, with those two jobs, they came from be able to be uh filled. I'm just asking, you know, they're not going to go away. >> They're funded in the FY27 budget. >> They are. >> Yes. >> So, they'll be there. >> Yes. >> So, but I'm not looking. Okay. I'll bring the other one. We do the uh there's something in the budget about
the money in the the active money in that account. >> Okay. >> Any other questions on the budget as presented? Mr. Ryan, you still have your hand up or >> just about the I received a text if people could just kind of speak up a
little bit. >> One more question about the >> Okay. I didn't know if Ryan had his hand up again. Go ahead. >> Just the the tuition. Can you give me what you know it's up the 31,000? What was these tuition last year? Did we go
up like a town's going to pay 5501? Is that the same as last year? I just look up some My name is Mr. I don't know. Mr. Chairman, if I may, I'd like to introduce our new assistant superintendent for businesses, Jenna Leto.
So, >> uh sir, the uh the in county tuition has been 5501. It >> hasn't changed in the last few years. >> Okay. >> And you know, we're very cognizant of the struggles that all of our county towns face. So uh the budget that we
presented um is basically um it's a stabilized budget. It's a level service if you will for the most part has gone up from three or $400 overall. Uh because we have increased prices, fuel, electricity, salaries, insurance like
everybody else. So the burden of that increase what was that cost by June? >> No. >> And what's the cost? 31,000 coming in now. What is the lot? What was last year? >> It was uh the highest 28 >> now. >> 29.
>> How do you get the 31? Just figure expenses or >> Yes. >> So So you figure out expenses and be charged quarterly. >> Yes. >> And every town has to pay. They have no choice. >> I mean outside the town outside >> the out of county people uh when they send students here um they best they get
>> any any problems with their choice. >> Yeah. They well they >> complain of course >> they complain uh they question what the amount is how it's broken down because it's a capital fee and things like that in there but um as far as that I mean it is what it is. um vocational schools in
Blue Hill and Tri County uh the the per pupil expenditure is very high from vocational schools. Uh and the AI is actually no different but we are different because we're much more expensive because we're not just a vocational school or plumbing carpentry.
We're not a mortal thing. We're a full farm. So we have we run it 24/7 7 days a week 365 days a year because our animals that's for our education have to be cared for fed looked after even on
Christmas even so we're very expensive as our most agricult the the animals are not the students >> commissioner you had a question I'm sorry commissioner >> just real quick so just again and the
reason for that increase and why it was so late was because of the policy that the state put in that we had to abide by it and throw our numbers off and we had no control of that. But I would say for the people here is most important is that we held the line in terms of any
increased assessment to your towns. We realize that town meets are starting probably right around the corner and we really wanted you with a bill that said suddenly you're going to have to pay your money sold. big bear. We should have the balance, you know, to the out of out of out of county people, but be aware that there could be some changes
down the road and we'll have to you'll get plenty of notice and plenty of time to talk about that. And so that's all Collins, you have something to add. >> So to u use uh Commissioner Sty's wording the last time he followed me, this follow upon what he said. So um the
elephant in the room for the Aggie for for many many years has been the disparity of what we've been able to charge the outer county students with the incount students. We try to give better value to the um incount students in their city and they're sending cities
and towns because you pay county tax and you support the county in so many other ways. And the out of county student that were coming in they weren't right. So they had to pay more to to attend the egg and um what's happened is Desi
controls uh how the emissions have that and and what uh commission state was alluding to was they changed the format. So um previously in many ways it was merit based as a go get in now it's lottery based entirely
lottery based and so uh what we found is that uh this particular year we don't know what we're going to get. You don't know if you're going to get in county or out of county. You can't bank on it. You can bank on it at all. And so u it's anticipated that um but and this
year the inount students went way up and the out ofount students went down. Suddenly we went from a tuition that was 5 grand to you know >> 28 grand and and now it's 31 but but think about it there's a there's a massive disparity and so we anticipate
that next year there will be an increase uh to the incount students because we've been artificially funding it with the out of county for for some times but now with the lottery system and having no control over the numbers that are coming in and where they're coming from and the
merit base of it at all um We anticipate that to make things right, to make things be even, it's going to have to come up. Even with uh an increase with the cities and towns in county, it's still a significant value. If you send your child to your local high school, it
it costs much more than it costs to send your child to the much more. And so we anticipate that whatever number would come from in county uh increase would still be significantly less than it would be to send your child school in your town. I just want everyone to
understand that it's not based on us. It's based on Jessie. They changed the formula and we're doing our best to make sure that the that the county has the funding to keep going. Bye has funding to keep This was discussed years ago about, you know, sooner or later there
would be a swing in in county to out of county and and we face this and now we're facing this. I think this came up probably three or four years ago if I remember. Scarlet, you had a question. >> Yeah, real quick, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. John Connley from Canton. If I read somewhere, it's 311 out of district and
299 in district. Is that correct? >> It's my next question if I if you want. How many uh students aren't accepted? because I know with Blue Hills Regional, which I was heavily involved with for years, we have a lot of students that don't get accepted. >> So, I just like to know what the it's
the similarity is. >> If I may, Mr. Chairman. >> Sure. >> Great question. Uh those numbers that you saw in the presentation were when the when that presentation was developed because we performed our lottery. It was live on live on TV in this room. Um and
right now we're actually for our incoming freshmen. So that number is fairly close, but it changes because freshmen, the incoming freshman are still yes, I'm coming or no, I got into Blackstone Valley or I got into Blue Hills. They're playing the the the lottery game with different schools. So
I'll speak to just the incoming freshman class. We're actually here tonight in our gymnasium for their welcome to the Aggie90. Um we have 155 available seats for our incoming freshman the fall. That's our average class size. Right now we are upside down 10 kids. So when you
look at the differential between the out of county it's a I'm going to say this year it's at 28 or say 30 just for round math and we charge in county 25. There's a 25,000 differential that we got we we're getting hit with for every student
that we get more in county. So being upside down with 10 students in our incoming class that $250,000. And if you look at that if and we have been trending historically over the last few years more in county
than out of county students. It's just the way it is. Things happen to flow. But if we go with that that model for the next 40 years when that class continues to fill up and this current class becomes senior if we do 10 kids a year that's a million dollars. Now the
problem with that million dollar deficit in four years because of the differential with the current funding model the students that we are getting now because like m commissioner Collins said it was merit based it was merit based it is no longer merit based so
anybody can apply and anybody can get in and because of that we're no different than any other vote score be very clear every vocational school in the state is facing this we are with our current incoming freshman class we are seeing more students with individual education plans, special ed students, and those
plans, those services that we have to offer by statute with are non-negotiable, they're more complex. We're not we're not uh really outfit outfitted to service those students. We're going to have to be because it's a compliance issue. It's a
non-negotiable. So we're seeing a change not only in our population as far as where they're coming from, but we're seeing a huge demographic change in the type of student that we're getting here that we are going to have to service. >> So that's what
>> we have to serve them. We have to offer them special education services. Uh because normally historically we have a a moderate number of students with educational plans, special ed students. But with the new lottery system
in the incoming freshman. So we have a lot more students with special ed that require uh services that we have to deliver. >> You don't know. Yeah. You don't know. >> We don't know. >> Don't sir. I have to take care. >> I'm pretty familiar with uh education
and spike in kids that need services. I kind of mentioned your staff to handle that. So, do you have to uh uh have some outside help? Uh
>> we're trying to um we're trying to do our best to handle things internally. However, with this budget, with some creative budget work, shifting some costs to like our federal uh grants that we get for uh vocational funding and
shifting some of our operational trust to that budget. We're hoping to add some staff potentially to service those needs, but we don't know exactly what those needs are yet because we haven't solidified our class yet, but we have had a spike that are going to require those services. So they give kids with
disabilities to various types of dyslexia. I guess they got to come out of regular classes and get oneonone two on one hour. >> Uh let's >> we're between a very big rock and a very hard place.
>> Really quickly I mean for your role here representing your towns uh the whole process was new. It was new to all of us random. And if Desi continues with this policy, which I think they will for another year, um then we have to I think do a better job and perhaps learning
from this, I would say I'd advocate to have the large sooner rather than later, the sooner the quicker we can have it, the quicker we can see where our student population is going to lie and make the because these towns need this information sooner rather than later too
when they build the budget. 100% I agree commissioner but >> by desi regulation there are certificates that we have to do the lottery kind of walked into a window >> and we actually did ours as early as we could we actually did our we closed our application process January one >> okay
>> and we ran our lottery in February uh right I think right before February vacation which is one of the earliest districts in the states and you know that assistant superintendent Leco did the correct thing by forecasting for
next year's budget by using our prior year uh October one number because that's solid. That's good data that we can use because if we try to formulate a an FY27 budget using our numbers with the incoming class, it's changing from day to day. That's that's a moving
target we just can't hit. So we use stable numbers to to project the budget and you know as things go forward if if this trend continues with uh more specialized needs then we're just going to continue to use that October 1st because that's the most reliable uh
model on that. >> Mr. Patrick just a quick question so you superintendent you said that there was a 10 student flip. So, were there any open seats in the
sophomore class that you could backfill to make up some of that? >> Great, great question. So, the night that we held our freshman our incoming freshman lottery, we also held a lottery for any potential open spots for um sophomores coming in in the fall. So, we
actually held two lotteryies and we have not yet filled those seats. We have a list of students who have are on the launch, but we're waiting until like May because we don't know how many students may fail out or may just change and go back to their sending talent. Once we
know that number, then the offers are going to go up and we always back bill the empty spots, the empty spots, Mr. Matrick, in sophomore class. We continue to do that uh with the first few months of school. >> And just just one last thing. So, and
then you think about what about filling junior slots and senior slots. You can't because this is specialized training and they already have two years the first two years. >> Okay. >> One second. Anybody else have any other
questions besides MTO from the board? >> I'm a little rusty on county process. Uh uh you you talk about department heads. They present uh their request and it just go to you or does it also go
to the commissioners? >> Goes to the commissioners. >> So basically what you presented you folks have already approved it. You voted it. Yes. >> Okay. >> Great. Any other questions from board
members? All right. Mr. One last question. Just a blue question. >> We had 250 kids accepted. >> I'm sorry. I I forgot to answer the question. How about how many students didn't get it? >> Yeah. Well, that's okay. But we have 250 kids.
>> Wait a minute. It was my question. >> That's okay. Wait a minute. Let me answer the question real quick. >> Well, the question is, um, this year we actually saw a few more applications enroll. And I think that's simply because students who normally students who would normally not apply because
they knew they wouldn't get in based on merit knew that it was a lottery and they knew they had an equal chance of getting in. >> So on average we get 450 applications for 155 seats. >> So there's tremendous room there for
potential expansion already. Um but it's we we turn away many more students we accept and that you know I'm a vocational school graduate that's it's hard for every >> we had just in past years we had about 550 250 spots this year our applications
were lower that's about 20% lower a lot of us they did a treat check this year they had to have three IDs to prove where they live sometime we did it after the fact this year four so now before you can apply you need three IDs show you live live in the nine house.
>> Well, I think that part of the Blue Hills enrollment going down might be those people are actually applying the >> It could be. So, we but we had I think about 30 kids who were accepted who decline. So, we have 30 40 people into the waiting list
>> you know for this and if the if the student is very severe special we can send them back to the same school if they're very severe. We don't I told them many times if this severe something they can be deal if they're real bad told every year we can send
them back to the same school why change give me different work that'd be more of a procedural question I >> yeah yeah that's >> I'm going to open up the floor to non-board members I assume register O'Donnell you would like to address the
board I assume >> I supplemental Okay. So, I'll wait the budget as was picked up, the budget that is in before you isn't the budget we submitted for the fiscal 27. So, you know, clearly it it's down from what we've requested, but
we just want to get through June. So to me as as long as I can address the supplemental part but clearly u this is one of the issues is that our budgets aren't being fully funded and then at the end of the year we don't have money and uh so okay
>> I'd rather speak on the uh getting it through June. >> Okay. So I will um I will close the public hearing. I'll take a motion to close the public hearing second. >> Moved by Milton, second by Cammy. >> Yes. >> So we need a roll call vote.
Hello. >> Hello. >> I'm sorry, Helen. Helen, I apologize. I didn't see a hand up or anything. >> That's okay. I got I'm sorry that I got to the meeting late and uh just wanted to let you know that
I tried to be here. >> Can we turn it up a little at all? >> That's >> Hang on for one second, Helen. I'm trying to turn the volume up here so everybody can hear you. >> My daughter just tried to help me with the computer. She went upstairs, but I'm
just sorry that I'm late. I had another engagement. Sorry. >> That's all right. >> Did you have a question, Helen, or >> No, it's all set. >> Okay. >> So, you want me to go down the whole list? >> So, yeah, I would go down the whole time. I know say only because
then we're going to need income. Is there any way of report? How would we know that they're there? I mean, we know >> I happen to see that's the only reason I do, but there could be other people that come on afterwards that we don't always call all the time just in case.
>> Eric, I just let Norfolk in as well. >> North Kevin. >> Okay. Can I change that? >> All right. So, are we ready for a roll call? >> No, I haven't changed the core now.
>> Oh, okay. So Norwood is here. >> Norwood and Norfick. >> I just anybody else on Zoom that was not here at the beginning of the meeting. >> That's it. That's it. >> That's it. Okay. All right.
>> Hold on. >> Another way might do it if I think is if if I did the the people we knew were here. If someone's at the meeting and I didn't call their name, that would trigger them saying I'm here. So, that might be another way to get there, but
I'll do the full list and go on. >> So, with Norman and North, we now have 70.89. >> Thank you. And are we ready for roll call vote? >> Yes. >> This is a vote to close the public hearing. Avon.
>> Hi. >> Bellingham. >> Brainree. >> Hi. >> Brookline. >> Hi. >> Canton. >> Yes. >> Cohassid. >> Denim. >> Yes. >> Dober. Foxboro. >> Yes. >> Franklin.
Bulbrook. >> Medfield. Yes. Bedwick. >> Yes. >> Milis. Milton. >> Yes. >> Need. >> Yes. >> Nor. >> Yes. >> Norwood. >> Yes. Planeville. >> Yes.
>> Quinzy. >> Yeah. >> Yes. >> Randolph. >> Sharon. >> Yeah. >> Stoen. Walpole. Welssley. Westwood. >> Yes. >> Way. >> Yes. >> Red.
>> Before I close the meeting, I just um just procedurally I failed to ask the finance committee to report on the um proposed budget. Mr. Yes. At the five o'clock meeting of the
North County Finance Committee of the Advisory Board with the full board did discuss the budget FY 27. >> Y then >> no we're going to do we're going to stop. >> Okay. So I will um officially declare
the public hearing closed and we will talk about budget come the May meeting. >> Okay. Next item on the agenda is the fiscal 26 third supplemental budget and transfer requests. They're thank you uh Mr. J members of the advisory board
receiving the U county commissioners wish to request your approval for the third FY 26 third supplemental flash transfer. Uh when we last saw you in December we had approximately $134,000 remaining surplus funds. Um, in
addition, earlier this year, this board decided to set aside out of its FY26 surplus from FY25 funds, $300,000 for stabilization fund and 100,000 for the OPED contribution. Um, this evening the through the
commissioners, we wish to move um $375,000 of that $400,000 directly into stabilization. In other words, nothing into OPED, all of it into stabilization. um except 25,000 which the commissioners
wish to hold back until their Maytown meeting, excuse me, May uh meeting uh relative to the FY27 budget. Um they're working with the registry of deeds on his request for supplemental funds. Um they set aside $25,000 to consider that
action in a month. So currently out again out of the 400,000 300 for stabilization that you set aside 100 for OPET we're requesting 375 directly with stabilization which if approved would require a twothirds vote of this board from a supplemental position you'll see
on this page bill if we could just shoot down a little bit. Um I want to call your attention to the current stabilization fund balance uh before any transfer that I just mentioned. You're sitting at $6.8 8 million which is 18% of your operating
budget. Favorable position to be in. The goal is always to achieve approximately 20% or up to 20% of your operating budget. Um you're nearly there. Um you can see our oped liability is sitting at around $35 million. We continue to make annual contributions to the operating
budget of $100,000 regular and recurring payments. Supplemental needs bill. If you scroll down, there are two columns. One on the left is the request of the department. One on the right is the recommendation uh through the commission. As you'll see, the information technology department requested 6,500 for county
contractual expenses, 1360 for computer supplies, 2673.99 for computer supplies for the county. There was a request from um from the IT department of $215,332
for an IBM server upgrade. This is a registry uh piece of equipment that runs the Brown Tech system for the registry. This system requires an upgrade uh from time to time. Excuse me. The register was alerted of this upgrade um in
January 2026. Um the commissioners wish the register to consider uh submitting a request to fund this item through the state's technology fund. And briefly, as I explained to the finance committee of the technology fund is a fund paid into by every register in the commonwealth uh
to the state. They may make applications to this fund from time to time. Um and uh that application goes up through a v variety of different channels including the legislature, the chief information officer for the state and the secretary of state. Ultimately, if the request is
approved, the funds are received through the treasur's office and the register then begins expending these funds for technological and operational efficiency and improvements of the register. So, the commissioners will be asking the register to make that application on behalf of his or the IBM server upgrade
of the register of deeds. Regarding facilities, you can see they've requested 12,800 uh excuse me, $12,800. We're requesting $1,200 for the uh Denim District Court sewer repair, $30,000 for the oil burner repair at the registry of
deeds, $6,500 for what we call the Blue House stairs um contingency. Briefly, for those that you are not aware, the county owns a property at the rear of the registry called Blue House. It's a threebedroom >> colonial and it's used to support um our
trades workers. They have plumbing, carpentry, painting, electrical. Um that's where they get their tools, they do their work. We also have a couple of rooms for administrative storage. Um there's a deck off the back it's fallen off. That's what this funding is for. It's a contingency against funding that you previously approved in September of
20,000. Um fire protection upgrades uh 1500 and then finally the AC repair account of 30,000. As you can see, the registry of deeds requested several items totaling $140,000. After assessing the request,
the commissioners agreed to support 3,000 in contractual services and 5,000 in miscellaneous rentals. As I mentioned, there's an additional consideration of additional $25,000 by the commissioners. They'll assess that at a future meeting prior to your May meeting. And then finally, the
treasures, excuse me, almost final, the treasur's office, as you know, had a transition. Uh we had to pay out the uh former deputy treasurer as well as pay for two weeks of overlapping uh salaries for that transition to be successful. That's $36,100. Wson Recreational Facility asked for
$20,000 after discussion with the superintendent. He has sufficient resources in another account that if this particular account uh experienced any stress, we could move. Um and then finally, beyond the supplemental needs, on the second page, you'll see a modest transfer of $500 from salaries. um and
educational compensation to permanent salaries of $1,000. Uh nobody's getting a raise. It's just the need to fund the salary uh line. Observations ahead. The Quinsey District Court, as I mentioned, is expected to close in early September. And our FY26 revenue collections are expecting uh to close very favorably. Um
thus providing our stabilization fund set aside and capital budget flexibility next year. You'll get a full report on that from me in September of this year. That is my request for third supplemental transfer
draft 26. Thank you for the chair. >> Okay, so we'll start with board members. Any questions from board members? >> Mr. Cleo, >> just just uh uh going on the the the the registered money. You know, I can see the uh the the attorney bill, but the
other ones about $90,000 and he has plenty of money. We talk about group one account his well, okay, but why can't that money transfer from group one or I don't know how it's done
to group two to fun the money he wants. He stayed with his budget line. Stay with what we approved last year. So I mean why are we being paid to him now? It's his money. He's not asking us to appropate any additional money. Just move from one group to another group. I I just don't know why we can't do that.
>> All he has to do is make a request to the commissioners. It's a transfer. You can't use money directly from salary. >> Don't finish, Mr. Plato. You can't use salary money for expenses. You'd have to formally transfer it. >> Right. >> That's a request to the commissioner. So
if the register requests that then that can be done. >> Transfer to Google >> they have they have to approve any kind of of a transfer from from within groups >> any transfer from group one or group five requires that oh I'm sorry
>> they have birth and then it comes to us. I I just want >> the request would come through the the commissioner's office but eventually would come to this board but they they have to send it to us to >> Yes. Um, okay. Any other questions on the
supplemental? Anybody online bill? I can't see the actual. Anybody on Zoom have any questions regarding supplemental? >> Okay. Register. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, I made this request, the supplemental
request was made in March because we need monies and I know I sent a copy of the letter that went to the commissioners to the advisory board and you could see even in March that there weren't monies in that account to finish out the year and you say, "Oh,
the register has to make a request. I made a request in March for these funds and the monies that are needed in this account again uh to go over with everyone $35,000 in printing. Um uh it
was a $30,000 request on contractual services of which they said to before you was 3,000. Um I put a request in for 15,000. I mean we run the registry. We we don't have paper. We don't have toners. Um,
main room 5,000. Again, zero request. I see all these requests that were approved. 150,000 to do the uh kitchen over at the uh administration building. There was a 48,000 uh recently from file cabinets and furniture at the
commission's office. You know, we need monies to finish off the year. And again, I'll make a commitment right here. if if this advisory board and you keep saying the commissions that's why I sent the uh request over and one of the reasons it's up to them what how they want to
allocate the monies but one of the reasons there was a lawsuit is there's a county mandate and it's 117,000 in group one that's not being expended because we had to file a third suit just to get two employees promote that money could be used it's up to the
advis it's up to the commissioners really to allocate the money but it's As as uh Mr. Pledo said, I'm not here asking for more money. I made that request in March because we have to finish out till June 30th. I would have
loved to address the fiscal 27th. I'm just trying to get our immediate needs addressed and it's not fair every time I come over is the registry gets treated much differently than any other department. And we all know what I'm a big boy. I can live with the retaliation. But we have to run an
operation and I'll make a commitment right here. If the commissioners could, you know, do the right thing, approve this money, the money's needed now, not June the 30th when June 30th is almost upon us. There's a $50,000 request here for legal. I don't know what person
thinks it's fair that they that this advisory board has allowed a million dollars since fiscal 21 to be used for legal fees and the registry. I've been representing the registry in the interest of the taxpayers for zero. It's not fair. But life's not fair.
>> Well, what I'm saying what I'm saying >> clarify something on that bill. >> The only reason we even have a legal budget is because of the lawsuits. We This is >> this advisory board had to create a legal line five years ago. If I remember
respectfully, there was always a legal line in every budget. What you did do was zero out the registry legal line item so our attorney couldn't get paid and then he had a withdraw. >> We gave you money a few years ago. I remember that bill.
>> That's what the court said. You want to debate what goes on at court. >> Let me let me ask you this. The sub >> $50,000 that I requested. I will make a commitment if you put the money in group two which is 35,000 for printing 30,000. They gave us three, but you need
$30,000 for contractual services. I will not put that in legally. I'll make that commitment. The reason we asked for $50,000, your attorney uh had constables go to my employees houses and serve them. And you may smile, Mr. Beckerman,
but you know, my employees didn't really take kindly to it. >> And Mr. Register, you also served every member of this board with a with a subpoena. >> You're a named defendant. You're you're bringing in we're not gonna get into all the details of the legal the legal case. >> No, we're not gonna get into the
employee that got employers that got subpoenaed is deposed a deposition. She got promoted. She has nothing to do with this. You got deposed. You got summoned. The judge ordered that, Mr. Beckman. Know why? Because you took a vote that
treated the deeds excis like appropriations. The judge reviewed the contempt. He issued the summones. Not me. I don't issue those summons. The judge did and he and then the >> point of order. Point of order. This isn't about the supplemental budget.
This conversation shouldn't be going on. >> Thank you, Mr. Ryan. Let's move on to the supplement. We'll get off get off the information about the about the law. >> My commitment then is that legal monies, you know, uh I will any monies that's
put in group two, I won't use it for for those legal monies. That request came because I had to get I need an attorney to defend the staff on these depositions. You know, two of the commissioners are attorneys and they wouldn't show up to a
deposition without an attorney representing them. And you're having some poor people at the registry deeds getting served at home. They're not defendants, Mr. Beckman. They're just employees. They have a right to representation. But take that $50,000 out of that request
and if you could give the $35,000 plus the uh 30,000 um for group two that would be fine. Uh group three, group three goes into things like ink and toner and things like that. Um even 15,000 30,000 35,000
plus 30,000 is 65,000 plus 15,000 $80,000 I I'll forego the the $5,000 in 399. and and let us finish off the year. It it seems pretty reasonable. And what's frustrating and you can claim all the
point of orders you want. What's frustrating is we made the request in March and now you're saying, "Oh, well, maybe it will happen in some future date. We need it now." And what's frustrating is by law you have to give the registry a mandate. And that's not
me saying it. Two judges have told the superior from the superior court have said that to you. >> Correct. >> Correct. So there's mandate monies that have been voted 117,000 as of today. It's not going to be spent
out of group one. The commissioners could have just allocated these monies from that. It doesn't cost anything. But let's keep in mind I also sent out to the advisory board the deeds excise collections. It's over 1.4 million the registry share. And I know Mr. Beckman,
you say that it's not the registry No, Miss Childs does, not you. Miss Childs does, but bottom line, blue court, two judges in that superior court said 40% of those that collected money is the registries. So in fiscal 26,
which is the year we're in now through March 31st, we've collected 1.4 million. I have not authorized that to be used for anything. That could more than cover the 80, but the mandate monies are there. That should end it all. And then
fiscal 25 ended. We collected the registry share, not the county share. Yours is much more greater. Yours is 60%. That's 1.8 million. That's certified money that I didn't authorize anybody to use. So there's all kinds of revenues as has been pointed out and the
easiest one is just use the county mandate monies and just reallocate it because as the judge says by law the registry is entitled to spend the money that it gets from the legal county mandate. So I I'm not here to argue but
it does get frustrating that a we make a request in March. We made a request because we need the money to finish through through uh June 30th and it's not happening. And and I could see it was happening if we didn't have revenue sources. It's not me saying these are re
revenue sources. The advisory board has to recognize judges have said it, but more importantly, the state legislature has said it. The county mandate is a revenue source for the registry by law and the deeds exercise money is a is a revenue source by law. And I know you
took the other 4.3 million up to 4.3 million that's sitting there. That should be in the deeds excise fund that could be used. Why am I pointing all this out? I don't really care how this board or the commission is funded. It needs to be funded. And out of fairness,
it should be funded. I think we all know why it isn't getting funded. I mean, let's call it what it is, but it's still not right. So, so from there. Okay. Sorry. I I want to I've been working really hard to follow the follow this
for a while. I want to be sure I understand what I just heard you say tonight. >> At the start, you said, "I'm not asking for more money than I have in my budget. I just need the the money that's in one part of the budget to be transferred to a different part of the budget." That for our for the immediate issue that's
right on the table here. Is that a fair understanding of what you said? >> Yes. Because again, I I got it as effective today. Gus, >> it said in group one, just group one, it was $117,000 that had been spent. And you can understand there's two positions that
haven't been >> about all the other stuff there. I have enough money in my budget overall. >> I would like to reallocate some of it here. >> Yeah. In a town, when a department head wants to reallocate money from one category to
another, it's incumbent on an requesting department head to say, "Listen, I need money over here. I'd like to take it out from over here." You may not have been prepared to do that till today or whatever, but the one thing I did hear that I could wasn't clear on is it
almost sounded like you were saying, "Listen, I need money over here and the commissioners need to figure out where it needs to come from." And what I'm really looking for is a process on how to It seems like you've been thwarted a lot, but I'm not I can't know for sure the process that you've gone about requesting things is actually
beneficent. just reallocate them much like was done last uh advisory board. You you you put some money in group two from group one. There was going to be a cut. Remember group one and you said, you know, take it out of there was going to be a cut in group two and you and then you took a second vote thankfully. Thank you
everybody. Cut group one and don't cut group two. It's very simple. Those county mandate monies that you're talking about are money that has already been appropriated to your budget just in the wrong category. it it's a it's a county mandate money to fund the budget
and yes that the the group one we have extra money in there so one of you if if that's the route you want to go I don't want to be accused of overstepping as I have been told in the past overstepping my bounds I'm just trying to look for a solution one solution I really one is
what you suggest another solution is we've collected these excess and and I sent it out to you can use that now I know Some people say it should be certified and all that. Well, first of all, the county's money is not certified. You use deeds excise collections this fiscal year and then
you collect this year, but we collected some last year. Earlier when you were and I don't want to dig too deep into this, so stop me when you wanted to, but earlier you had said you have not you have not authorized the use of deeds excise money. Do you have access to
deeds excise money that you could authorize? I have to in my opinion is bunch of people here all kinds of opinions the deeds exercise money by state statute the registry gets a portion of that
>> and there's past memos there's past things that say that's for the exclusive use of the registry the deeds excise share I can't use it unilaterally in other words I have to say hey I I could use this money for this and then I have to go to the commissioners and
there's checks and balances the advisor would. But what I'm saying is the deeds excise money that belongs to the registry is just being used without my authority. And all I'm trying to make a point is the collected money is there. Um through through March 31st, the
registry share is 1.4 million. >> I'll move that out of here because I that complicates things. What I think I'm taking away is you have money currently allocated in your budget that if there was a way for you to put a request in to transfer to another area
and included where you're asking that money to be taken from that sounds to me like you know that sounds to me like how it should h how it should happen >> and that's why I put the request in March March 25th you know some departments put it in the last minute I
mean I mean When let me ask a question. When you say you put a request in, you put a request in for supplemental funds or you put a request in for transfer from group one to group two. Those are two very different things, >> right? >> No. >> So if you're asking for supplemental funds, you're asking for additional
money from the county. If you're asking for a transfer from group one to group two, you're not asking for you're not asking for anything additional. So just procedurally, which way are we talking? >> Procedurally, I sent everyone on this board, including yourself, Mr. Beckman a copy of what I sent to the commissioners
and in the very first paragraph it says given savings within group one the amounts requested may still be within the county's necessary and mandated funding to the registry. I can't make it any more clearer than that. >> You're not answering the question.
>> Oh, you're always answering the question. >> You know what, Bill? I'm not going to argue with you, Bill. Right. >> No. >> All right. I asked you a simple question. >> What's a simple question? Did you request supplemental funds in March or did you request a transfer from group one to group two or group one to group five? >> I request I we were asked to make a
supplemental request and I asked that I needed these line items with the money. >> Did you make it as a supplemental request? >> I said simple question. >> I responded to it. It went before the commissioners and it says right in there given savings within group one the
amounts requested it can be found within the the mandated funding. Now there have been other times I have specifically told them what they maybe should do to solve the problem and we know that you know they don't want to solve the problem. >> Okay, let me ask you this question. Do
you have access to any other funds that don't require the the approval of the commissioners? Do you have access to funds within the registry budget that you have control over that might cover this? >> All monies through the registry budget
have to get, you know, initi just like what's going on for fiscal 27. The commissioners, you know, I send in a request. My request was higher than what what's what was approved, of course, and then the advisory board gets involved. I
you know, that's that's how it works. There's checks and balances. So, correct me if I'm wrong because I've heard this before, but isn't there also an interest account that you have access to? Isn't there also a copy account you have access to? >> There's money out there that the
registry has access that that that goes 100% to the count. >> What about the account? >> The interest account is 64D3 and that that's that's usually, you know, I like to use it for technology and things like that. So you so the answer the short answer is you have that
money that that interest money the budget process and so are you saying let me ask you a question. Are you saying that the county mandate that by law the registry gets you're saying that I shouldn't have access to >> No I'm not talking about I'm not talking about the county mandate at all. talking
about is there an account within the registry budget that you have access to that you could use monies for shortfalls that you may have rather than there are there are no shortfalls there's a county mandate that by law you have to vote the money is there in the county mandate and
just allocated to these accounts so it gets spent there's 117 why would I go into other accounts when we're not spending the county mandate which by law the county is entitled to 64D section 12b again don't go by my say so go by
the two cases the two superior court judges that ruled against the the county >> okay so the next question then the next natural question would be to the commissioners was the was the request properly presented by the registar
for these funds I was asking the question was it supplemental money or was it transfer supplemental money is additional funds to the budget we all know that all right so any any additional funds I would expect to be to be um rejected if we're talking about a
transfer from group from group to group within the within that department's budget. Was that what the request that was made to the commissioners? Is that the way you you guys understand it? >> I'd like to send it back to the county director.
>> I'm looking at the letter that the provided on March 25th to answer your question. It is titled FY26 supplemental request $140,000. The register goes into the various categories he just mentioned asking for supplemental funds for those. He does
mention as he just mentioned a savings in group one, but nowhere in this document does he present the request for a transfer. >> So a supplemental request as defined in the title of the letter >> was for a supplemental funds which is an inc which is additional money to your
budget. It's not a trend. It's not a moving money from one side to the other. I think we need to sit down and figure out why the why these requests are being so so convoluted. It seems pretty simple to me >> and I think it's pretty simple in my paragraph that I sent everyone here got,
you know, the great at passing words. It says given savings within group one, the amounts requested are still within the county's mandated funding. It need the thing is if it's in group one, I can't access it. the group two or that you you got to move
>> without a request. That's my point, >> right? And transfers, just so we're clear, I can't transfer the money alone. >> No, I know you. >> Okay. All right. I'm just >> You can request from the commissioners to transfer from one group to another, but that doesn't it doesn't sound like
what you did. That's that I'm talking procedurally, Bill. All right. I I don't disagree that you wrote March 25th and now all of a sudden I'm being told that I procedurally didn't do something. March 25th that letter was written. Plenty of time to to fumble over and
address. I mean, you know, uh, >> have you ever done group transfers before? >> What are you talking within code? Yeah. Remember I had to go up to the Supreme Judicial Court because uh, have you in the past? You've been registered for how many years? >> Oh, wow. >> Okay. Have you ever had more difficulty
than I had the last few years? >> Have you ever done transfers within groups within your budget? >> Would you say within groups within the group two or from two to three? >> From two to three or one to five or five to six or whatever the number is. >> Sure. Sure. Recently I try to get money
into so because by law and and let me be clear this isn't just yes we trying to get through June 30th. Some of this by statute we have to microfilm documents. uh by law we have to make copies of indexes and print and things of that
sort. And at the at the hearing uh Mr. Croin said it's all discretionary. I don't view following the law discretionary. And maybe that's part of the problem I have sometimes with the count. You know, it's it's about following laws. And that's why this money is, you know, that's why I'm
trying to get money in these codes so that we by law can microfilm. To answer your question, there was a time I I I asked to move it from one code to another to comply with the microfilm and it it did it didn't get approved. And we know why things don't get approved. But
it should have because the money was needed to microfilm. It's a statue whether I like to microfilm or not. By law, we have to microfilm every document that's recorded there. So these monies uh need to be put in the codes so we can
comply with the law. And I take that seriously as opposed to what I heard at that conf at that meeting which was oh it's all discretionary. It's not discretionary when it comes to following the law. It shouldn't be anyway. >> Okay. Thank you very much. Okay.
>> Could I make one last statement? >> You know, I've been listening to this for what, three years that I've been on on the board and I >> I look at it and I suspect there's some other people in this room that have a certain sympathy for the logic. If
there's, you know, this is going to go around about what word did you use? You called it this, it's not that. If you are able to affect a transfer out of the money that you already have in your budget and if you clearly
articulate I'm not interested in the in the what's gone the baggage that's gone under the bridge. I'm I've got to figure out how do we clear the air. If you're able to fund a transfer request out of money that you already have in your budget and you make it clear that you're
asking for a transfer and identify where that money in your budget should come from, I will say as one member of the board, if you do that, I'll help you defend yourself if it doesn't happen. you got to know and I don't know what I'm
getting myself into with people in this room but I'll I'll do that in the interest of not having this you run a registry and the thing that drives me nuts is you have a good registry this is a great county and a big piece of it is because how the registry runs and
instead of recognizing that and figuring out how to make it all work make it work easier for the commissioners make it work easier for us make it work easier for you for the county director. There's a lot of baggage that's just
muddy in the waters. And personally, I'd like to see us figure out a way to not do that. This one little piece, this one little piece about transferring funds in a budget that you already have money for, it sure sounds me like that's a that would be an easy place to start to
improve things. >> Well, thank you, Gus. >> Mr. Chairman, >> yes. >> I'd just like to note I agree with Mr. logic to one one fast com just in regards that I'm just going to get the letter it says regard uh supplement request $140,000 so
my issue is he did request in the in the first he did request money okay so he did request so request did went to the commissioners on March 25th outlining where he wants the money and where it's coming from so I to make he made a
request commission all of a sudden we're technical Okay, they sent the kind director. So, it's the commissioner who answer the question, not the kind director. They're the one that didn't follow. He did the request. It says right here, sent my request. So, he didn't request the money. But why is it being jerked around per se not not do
this tonight? It's perfectly requested request and he gave the reasons why he wants it. Don't the lawyer. That's a different issue. Okay. But the other ones he has somebody wanted one of you do it which do today because they didn't do their job over there. Sit there with
three tight lip mus. Okay. Do the thing the guy draw over here. Okay. >> Excuse me, Mr. Po. What did you just say to me? >> I didn't tell you. I said why you name? >> No, you just used my name. Did you explain again? >> I said yes. >> What did you say? Could you repeat what you just said? I did not hear you using my name. I asked you. Excuse me.
>> They were going >> and then you used my name. >> It didn't go to you. >> Thank you. I couldn't hear you. I heard you say my name. Excuse me, please. Thank you. Thank you. >> Okay. Could have been done right now. >> Commissioner Dy,
>> I just want to weigh in real quick. It's probably not going to be to the registry of satisfaction, but uh we had a discussion at the meeting that my ver represented the registry act and we had said set aside $25,000 to fund some of
those supplemental requests. We didn't identify where we didn't uh line them up, but I had said let's put some money aside for the reg. and it was discussion went positive but then we decided we take it up in May after this meeting
concluded. Um the other thing is that I'm concerned about is that we have a request for um IT upgrade and we really didn't really discuss that and that's something that we need to kind of maybe make sure we discuss at some point
because someone's going to have to we have to upgrade that. You can't have a system not be upgraded. Somebody's going to have to do that. Uh I kind of want to commend you for what you said. I was >> when you sit here the people would say,
you know, you didn't do this, you did that. That's fine. You know, it's a hard job. We we embrace it. We get it. It's fine. The thing that's complicated our whole situation is the fact that we have two lawsuits. Sometimes there are things you want to say and you can't say. uh
sometimes hearings you want to go down but we're told not to go down. So it makes it difficult for us to kind of really speak when you have a counsel and other advice telling you maybe you know hold >> point of order. >> Yeah. >> This entire conversation is out of order
in should have been in an executive session. Why? >> Why? because there's a legal ram potentially legal ramification. Again, I mean, I always felt when you're paying lawyers,
you know, that's a wasted expense nine times out of 10. >> I mean, you we have the authority to go into executive session. >> Yes, we do. >> Okay. And I think we probably should have invoked that sooner. >> And I think any I don't
>> sounds like there's a lot of compromise in the in the wind now from what I'm listening to. I think maybe going forward set up something like an executive session and could have a you know subcommittee
call the commissioners and the registars and get the damn thing fixed. Sounds like we got the money. Just a case of you know shuffling the cards. >> Okay, Mr. Ryan, you had something as well. I Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, we do not have a motion on the floor,
right? >> We do not. >> Okay. I think we've really talked about this a lot and I think I'd like to like I don't know if a motion to end discussion is appropriate. So, we can make a motion.
If so, I'll make that motion. >> I don't know if we need a motion to end the discussion. It's up to you. >> I'm I'm going to just say we're going to we're going to end the discussion here. We'll go into um the next section will be the the motions on the supplemental.
>> I'd like to make a motion to approve the supplemental budget as presented. >> Well, Tyler, there's actually four separate motions here, so I have to go through each one. I apologize. >> Okay. Just Yep. >> So, I will take a motion to transfer the sum of 375,000 from funds declared
surplus to the close of fiscal 25 to the county stabilization fund. second for I'll make I'll make that motion second >> motion and a second. Um so this requires a twoth3 vote. So when Phil when you're
ready >> this is a stabilization correct. >> Yes. >> Avon >> Bellingham Bra. I >> Brooklyn. >> I >> Hampton. >> Yes. >> Cohassid
>> Denim. >> I >> do Boxboro. >> I >> Franklin Brook Medfield. >> I Medway. >> Yes. >> Milis Milton. >> Yes. >> Needam. >> Hi.
>> Norfol. >> Yes. >> Norwood. >> Question please. I'm not good on the computer. >> I'm so sorry. I'm not good on the computer. Um, if
>> this help >> give us a thumbs up or a thumbs down, >> Helen. Thumbs up or thumbs down on on the motion? >> We can't hear you. >> You come back. >> She's on select when you're on twice. >> Okay. Hello.
I if we vote yes on this motion, does Mr. >> Money needs >> Hello. >> Sorry, Helen. I couldn't hear what you said. >> Let let me try
>> now. Can you hear me? have >> when you have two audio sources. >> You want me to come back to Norwood? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Uh Helen, we'll come back to you in a minute. Uh Planeville, >> yes. >> Quincy, >> yes.
>> Randall, >> Sharon, >> Stoen, Walpole, Welssley, Westwood. Yes. >> Hi. >> And >> uh Helen Norwood, I think you asked a
question about whether that 375,000 was where it was coming from or you're on mute. I I asked the question about would the money that the rich be included in that money?
>> Hold on. >> Helen, are you asking if this motion has anything to do with the monies to the registry? >> Yes. >> All right. No, it does not. This is stabilization money. >> Okay. Thank you. >> We just need your vote. Do you So are
you >> in favor of transfering the 375,000? >> You're not. >> Thumb down. >> Thumbs down. >> Okay. >> All right. Um, once again, I made a mistake. I didn't ask finance committee
their recommendations. I apologize. But we'll do that right quick before we do the other three. >> Okay. So, we'll add a finance. I me form uh we did um recommend
uh the transfer of the 375,000 from uh funds to clear surplus of fiscal 2025 for the stabilization fund. Uh we also did recommend the approval of a uh
transfer of 135,633.99 to be paid for funds declared surplus at the close of fiscal 25. We also recommended approval to move $119,000 from I'm not going to read that account,
but um the Superior Court HVAC project to the county operate interest account and a number associated with that. Uh we also unanimously approved the recommendation uh to repurpose
$54,944.93 from office equipment for the North County Commissioner's Office, which was appropriated by the advisory board at their September 24 meeting for use of purchasing office furniture and upgrades countywide.
>> Okay. Thank you, Rick. Um so we had the vote. We do we have the two/3s fil? Uh yes. Uh we're getting that number. It is 67.27. Uh yes and 3.62. No. >> So that motion passes. Next motion. I'll
take I'll take a motion to approve the fiscal 26 third supplemental and transfer request to holding $135,633.99 to be paid from funds to clear surplus the close of fiscal year 25. >> So moved by Brainree.
Second. Checking by candy milk. Sorry. You guys sound exactly alike. That's why >> but I look better. >> True. >> Yeah. >> Avon. Hi >> Bellingham.
>> Brainree. >> Hi >> Brooklyn. Hi >> Canton. >> Yes. >> Cohasset Dennos. >> No. >> Dober. Boxboro. >> Yes. >> Franklin Brook. Medfield. Yes. Medway.
>> Yes. >> Milis. Milton. >> Yes. >> Nita. >> Yes. >> Norfolk. >> Yes. >> Norwood. >> No. >> Plainville. >> Yes. >> Quinsey. >> Yes. >> Randolph. Sharon.
>> Yes. Stoen Walpole Welsley Westwood. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Raymond. >> Hi. >> And Redmond. >> The vote is 63.77 yes and 7.12 no.
>> That motion passes. Next one. I'll take a motion to move to um move to transfer up to $119,000 from account 3016005,36 0000.80 80 the superior court HVAC project to the county opera interest account 400
triple041040 quadruple 0 >> brace so moved >> big thanks uh for the advisory board's consideration on this particular vote uh previously approved funding to support
renovations or in this case HVAC upgrades at Dam superior court that project is no longer going forward we recognize that we had approximately 119 $19,000 from the offer interest account that was committed there that it was lying about. We want to clar it back into the general
fund at this point so that it can be reused for purposes including stabilization future. So that's what we're looking to do with >> second. >> So it was motioned by who who made who motioned? >> Grandry who second
>> absolutely all right >> there you go. So feels very accurate. Thank you. >> Uh I'm sorry. This is the interest. Okay. >> What's that? A >> yes. >> Bellingham.
>> Brainree. >> Hi. >> Brooklyn. >> Hi. >> Canton. >> Yes. >> Denim. >> Yes. >> Foxboro. >> Yes. >> Franklin Medfield. >> Yes. Medway. Yes,
>> Phyllis Milton. >> Yes, >> Nem. >> Yes, >> Nor. >> Yes, >> Norwood. >> Yes. >> Yes, please. Yes. >> Norwood is a yes. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Randolph. Sharon.
>> Yes. >> Stoen. Walpold. Welsley. Westwood. >> Yes. We move >> I remember. That was unanimous. >> Okay. And last one. I'll take a motion to repurpose remaining funds in the
amount of $53,944.93 from office equipment for the North County Commissioner's Office, which was appropriated by the advisory board at the September 2025 meeting for use in purchasing office furniture and upgrades countywide. >> So move Bantry. There's
>> a second. Second question, >> Mr. I was going to ask the director to uh to explain this one. Is that okay? Go >> ahead. Okay. >> Uh briefly, uh board members, this particular appropriation was provided earlier this fiscal year uh to fund
renovations at 614 High Street, the commissioner's office. That building has not been renovated in approximately 36 years. Um that renovation included painting, cubicles, carpeting. Um that job is pretty much done. We have this amount of money remaining. And during
the budget presentation process to the commissioners, many departments expressed an interest in upgrading some of their office furniture. Similarly, not upgraded in many, many years. We seek to use the balance of these funds for other department use beyond the original scope that you voted for earlier this year. That's all this is
doing. >> Did I hear my This is for equipment. >> Uh furniture. >> What happened to the old furniture? the old ter. >> So are you referring to what would be
used or what has been which which uh so in the case of the commissioner's office um the cubicle design is inefficient. The cubicles are breaking down. They're not functional any longer. They're being replaced under the original appropriation. Your motion motion before
you is to expand the use of that money to other departments. departments have requested additional chairs. Let me give you a good example. Our surveyors, our engineers sit in their chairs for hours at a day uh using CAD design to map out surveys and technical drawings for
projects across the county, including any of your host communities. Their chairs are approximately $1,500 each. They're very, very uh high-end. They provide support for individuals that spend that amount of time intensively in their chairs. That's just an example. But there
>> I can't hear. Sorry. ergonomics >> and many other ways. Yes. Uh those are the high-end but there are several others um that we heard from including um weights measures uh maintenance and I believe the golf course. It just came in
and it was it was I so I'll be a little jocular. It was weird. Everybody wanted chairs this year. I don't know how to describe it but everybody independently wanted chairs. So we said let's let's try to address some of the aging furniture needs in the county by using the surplus. So, thank you for your
consideration. >> Okay. >> And it does it does get um surplused out. It's made available to communities if they want to use it if there's any repair. Most of them are bringing useful life to save >> forever in a day. >> Yes. I hope I answered your question, sir. >> Good. >> Thank you, sir. >> We have a motion in a second. Are we
ready for a vote? >> Sure. >> Yes. Avon. >> Yes. Bellingham Brainree. >> Hi. >> Brookline. >> Hi. >> Genton. >> Yes. >> Cohassid. Denim. >> Yes.
>> Dobor. >> Yes. >> Franklin Brook. Medfield. Yes. Medway. >> Yes. >> Milis. Milton. >> Yes. >> Needam. >> Yes. >> Norfolk. >> No.
>> Sorry. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Norman. Yes. And I heard a sorry from Norfol. I think it's a yes. Yes. >> That was a yes from Norol. Thank you. >> Thank you. Planeville. >> Yes. >> Quinsey. >> Yes.
>> Randolph Sharon. >> Yes. >> Stoen Walpole. >> Welsley. Westwood. >> Yes. >> We >> and Renth. That is unanimous. >> Okay. Thank you. All right. Last item. I'll take a motion on the meeting
minutes of Newfolk County Advisory Board from Wednesday, December 17th. >> Move to approve the minutes midway. >> Motion in a second. >> Who? I'm sorry. Who motion to second? >> Seconded. >> You got that, Phil?
>> Yes. >> Sure. >> He's better than me. I never just five more minutes and you can buy the donuts. >> What was it? 11. I'm sure we can find a 24-hour one.
>> I was surprised at how many kids invited you family very upset that one child got in the same family. >> Yeah. Wow. >> That's not No, that's right. Sorry.
Okay. >> Avon. >> Yes. >> Bellingham. Brainree. >> Hi. >> Brookline. >> Brookline. >> Hi. >> Yes. >> Denim. >> Yes. >> Do Foxboro.
>> Yes. >> Franklin. Medfield. Yes. Medway. >> Yes. >> Milis Milton. >> Yes. >> Needam. >> Yes. >> Nora. >> Yes. >> Norwood. >> Norwood. Ellis.
>> Thumbs up or thumbs down? >> Thumbs up. Okay, we got it. Uh, Planeville. >> Yes. >> Quinsey. >> Yes. >> Randolph Sharon. >> Yes. >> Stoen. Walpole. Welssley Westwood >> abstain.
>> Abstain. >> And that changes to abain. voting. >> I have 6570. Yes. 10.9. >> Okay. Charlie, I know how much you like to motion for adjourn, so I'll let you do it.
>> Moved. Second. Medway. >> Motion. Second to adjurnn. Do we need a We don't need a public. >> Uh, we've done both. It's up to >> I don't think we need a formal vote for unless you can say
>> you do not need a formal vote for >> vote for adjournment. Raise your hands. >> Good. >> Thank you everyone. We'll see you all in May for the uh for the official budget. Thank you.