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Video-2: youtube.com/watch?v=OLgoAPe_B64

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MEETING SECTIONS:

Part 1 (Video ID: bbbpMh4fwWk):
- 00:00:00: Executive Order, Roll Call, Pledge of Allegiance
- 00:02:13: Supplemental Budget Request: Facilities, Registry, and Aggie
- 00:04:53: Public Comment and Discussion: Utility Surplus Explanation
- 00:05:32: Public Comment and Discussion: Register's Request Dialogue
- 00:06:25: Public Comment and Discussion: Addressing the Register Directly
- 00:09:24: Public Comment and Discussion: Register's Rebuttal, Budget Issues
- 00:16:15: Public Comment and Discussion: Fixing Transfer Request Concerns
- 00:21:35: Public Comment and Discussion: Justifying Requested Budget Numbers
- 00:23:14: Public Comment and Discussion: Historical Budget Figures Review
- 00:25:54: Public Comment and Discussion: Contracts and Appropriations Questioned
- 00:29:08: Public Comment and Discussion: Continued Appropriation Questioning
- 00:32:09: Public Comment and Discussion: Addressing Spending and Legal Concerns
- 00:36:45: Transfer Requests: Stabilization Fund, Court Paving Project Approved
- 00:39:42: Fiscal Year 2027 Budget: Motion and Approval Process
- 00:41:03: Open Session Meeting Minutes: Review and Approval
- 00:41:41: Adjournment and Call to Order for New Meeting
- 00:42:02: Executive Order and Roll Call for New Meeting
- 00:44:17: Supplemental Budget Transfers: Review and Discussion Begins
- 00:46:14: Public Comment and Discussion: Legal Expenses Questioned
- 00:49:59: Public Comment and Discussion: Amending Registry Deed Transfer
- 00:53:50: Public Comment and Discussion: Commissioners' Reasoning on Vote
- 00:57:22: Public Comment and Discussion: Motion to Move the Question
- 01:01:05: Roll Call: Motion to Move the Question Results
- 01:02:11: Roll Call: Final Vote on Motion Amendment Fails
- 01:04:07: Revert to Original Motion: Supplemental Budget Approval
- 01:06:44: Next Vote: Surplus Funds Transfer to Stabilization
- 01:09:27: Final Budget Item: District Court Parking Project Approved
- 01:12:07: Fiscal Year 2027 Budget Approval: Motion and Seconded
- 01:14:39: Fiscal Year 2027 Budget Approval: Motion Results
- 01:16:19: Positive Remarks About Board Members
- 01:16:35: Motion to Approve Meeting Minutes and Adjourn
- 01:18:33: Recognizing Dr. Childs and Presenting Plaque
- 01:19:22: Motion to Adjourn: Final Roll Call and Closing

Part 2 (Video ID: OLgoAPe_B64):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Called to Order; Executive Session Discussion
- 00:03:21: Approval of Previous Meeting Minutes; Public Comment Introduction
- 00:04:28: Director of Public Works Notifies Abutters of Paving Project
- 00:04:59: Contingent Employment Approvals at Walsh Recreation Facility
- 00:05:56: Approval of Payroll and Expense Warrants Discussion
- 00:07:25: Discussion on Alpha County Conditions Report and Web Posting
- 00:09:02: Seventh Community Joins Waste Management Program Discussion
- 00:09:43: Continued Support for Norwood Hospital; House Bill 5047
- 00:11:39: Motion to Sign Petition Supporting Norwood Hospital
- 00:11:59: Public Comment: Concerned about Norwood Hospital Progress
- 00:13:19: Motion to Continue Support of House Bill 5047
- 00:14:13: Rubbish Removal Contract Award for Agricultural High School
- 00:17:12: County Director Updates on Budget and Open Enrollment
- 00:20:12: Upcoming Meetings, Solar Charging Station, Carl's Retirement
- 00:22:39: Emergency Topics: Troopers' Death; Meeting Adjournment


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--------- 26 and 51. So at this point in time, I'll read the executive order of remote participation. On March 28, 2025, Governor Haley signed into law H62 in an act relative to

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extending certain COVID 19 measures adopted during the state of emergency, which includes a two-year extension of the option of public bodies to hold remote meetings by suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law

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general law chapter 3A section 18-25. The action was effectively was effective immediately extending the current option during those meetings through June 30th, 2027. That is coming upon us.

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So at this point of time, I will call to order. Roll call. Peter >> here. >> Murray here. Eric Becker here. Joe Reed, Joe Ry,

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Dr. Charles, Mr. Conser, and myself, Rick. But we have a point of time, I'd like to do a pledge of allegiance.

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TV to the flag of America and to the republic indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Score of business is the FY 26 fourth

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supplemental budget transfer and capital request for approval. And at this time I'd ask for a presentation by director. >> Thank you chairman. Good evening members of the finance committee. Very briefly, the county commissioners um last week

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voted um an FY26 final supplemental transfer request um for you this evening is uh several transfer requests. I'll begin with um $50,000 request from the facilities maintenance electricity line

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miscellaneous legal services help the county offset legal expenses associated with a lawsuit initiated by register O'Donnell last fall is ongoing. In addition, the commissioners heard from the register on his request uh to

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transfer $80,000 from salaries to other line items at home. The commissioners agreed to fund a transfer of $10,18752 from the projected registry deeds program salaries line into three separate accounts. Printing

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and binding $5,67.19. Contractual services $4,268.99. Office supply $240.34. I want to call out the fact that earlier a month ago, you approved $5,300 supplemental

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to the printing and binding as well as 3,000 to contractual services. These amounts are in addition to those actions. Final transfer request is from the Aggie. Move $65,000 salaries temporary line to salaries overtime for a total of

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$125,18752 transfer requests. Second, um the commissioner's request to remove or move, excuse me, $25,000 for the FY25 surplus made available on FY26 into the

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county's stabilization fund. And finally, uh, a transfer of $300,000 with Quinsey District Court Fund to the Denim District Court Parking lot paving lighting project previously by

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that is the FY26 final transfer supplemental request as approved by the commissioner for your consideration. Thank you, chair. >> Just a quick question for John. Was there any particular reason why you had

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a surplus of $50,000 in that utility line? I'm just looking at general utility cost of increased sort of broadly. So, was there some reason that we're able to retain that amount? >> Yeah, we're seeing that surplus develop

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largely from the Quincy District Court um budget program by 26. Peter, >> I don't I just the uh probably came up last time. Was there any input from uh I got a letter from the registar? Was there any input to that effect last week

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on the ADU is asking for 80,000 where these other numbers came from. So I think simply put to your answer Peter there was a robust dialogue between the registered dees and the commissioners on that matter. Yes. Public public meeting >> and these are the numbers that screw the

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chair if I could. These are the numbers that the the commissioners have approved. That's right. Thank you. >> No, good. Thank you. >> No, she spoke. She should be here. You guys have questions? >> I don't have questions. If you're

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willing, if I'm in order to address the register, I'd like to if that's if that's all right. >> Um, I'd like to talk to you directly, following up on the comments I had last month's meeting around transfers. Uh, right now I'm prepared to support the

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commissioner's decision here, but I want you to know why. um I can't make sense out of your $80,000 request in ter what I did is I went through and I took a look at the allocation to the lines two of the budget lines it was taking the annual

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allocation at the start of the fiscal year and doubling it for the last two months um when I look at the commissioners I did my own analysis taking a look at percentages uh you know what the commissioner's recommendation was I could see an argument that Some of

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at least two of those lines are low because they're below where you're at 24 and FY25. I I wish we could there's I I'm not going on the legal side of this fence. I'm I'm trying to find the administrative side that can work. Okay.

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And I would genuinely like to see this board, the commissioners and and you as a register not have the kind of a climate that we've had since I first joined the advisory board. uh when I

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said I would support transfers as I will uh you know in terms of a transfer but I assumed a transfer would be a transfer request to a clearly explainable need that you actually had between now and the fiscal year and when I look at if I

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look at the commissioners and personally say some of those seem like low numbers when I look at what you've requested your numbers are so far out of whack with anything I can understand that I've it it's I'm not prepared to support that just because it came in as a transfer

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request. I'm talking to you directly because we don't have these conversations with you that often partly because a lot of the stuff is out of balance for for the legal side. I would like to find a way for at least in the parts that are not tied up in the legal part of this. I'd like to find a way for

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us to have a far more respectful business-like and responsive relationship in in enabling you to do your job. I as an appointed member of this board absolutely feel I have no role whatsoever to undercut elected

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member you know elected officials three commissioners but I also think you're an elected official too and so when I'm in a spot where it feels like I kind of either have to undercut one or undercut the other or even worse decide my opinion is better than anybody else's.

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I'm struggling with it. So you heard what I said last month. I wanted you to hear what I'm thinking this month. in the hopes that somewhere over these meetings we can have a continuing discussion of some of this stuff that'll get us all on a better footing in the world. I think we've been on for the

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past couple of years. >> Well, respectfully, if our request was approved tonight, it would be go a long way to making things better. Uh this money is I'm not seeking extra money. This is money that was within an approved budget. No different than the

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AI school uh proposal that you have in front of you for $65,000. No different than the 50,000 that you're taking from electricity to legal. And again, u we do need it. We we you know, we have and it was mentioned uh at the

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last meeting and and it was certainly mentioned to the commission is we have left in printing $178.11. we have obligations by law uh to print indexes to print books uh also to microfilm. So the requests that were

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made were to finish out the year. You know, we have two months left in the year. And again, uh the argument I would make is when you look back look back at fiscal 22 some of those other there was more than for instance in group two $225,000

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was approved in in in the you know and in years past it was 400,000 and we've worked on that but the ru has hit the road. You can't say, "Oh, uh, historically I would we all agree because there certainly wasn't any agreement at the

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commissioner's meeting at least based on I was told historical data. Can we all agree that prices have gone up and since since 20 fiscal 23?" >> Absolutely. Absolutely. >> No, no, I would agree with that. >> Okay. But I also would agree that

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historical numbers are a valid strategy in terms of looking at cost and >> but not when the last few years respectfully and again I'm just trying to keep I was trying to keep it simple tonight that there was there's $17,000

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that hasn't been spent. Now some of that should have been spent you know because a couple of employees have been denied their promotions. That's another story. But respectfully, you know, uh there's 117,000 in our budget because those people aren't getting paid at the higher

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amount. And we're not allowed to fill the two positions. So if they got promoted, there'd be two lower positions. So monies acrewed no different than the monies that you know there were no questions on the legal, you know, no historical data. look at

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the historical data of the legal, you know, uh, can I re can I reel us back to the serious? I want to stick with the transfer. I don't want to get dragged into that, but I want to respond to what you said. You you you basically said, I have the money, which we've recognized

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is in your budget. Therefore, I should just be able to put it where I want to. And I disagree with that piece of it in a transfer because you should have a rationale for the amount of money. Now, hear me out. Let's do let's take the printing one as an example. The budget you had for this fiscal year for

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printing was $127,000. Let's to keep the math simple. Say that for in 10 like you virtually exhausted the printing budget over let's make keep it simple over 10 months that says you're spending an average of 12,000. This is just the way I think about it. I

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don't this is not talking about how the commissioners think about it. Certainly not how director Cronin's thinking about it. I was just trying to make sense out of myself. I said, "Well, in 10 months time, $127,000 budget is depleted. That's 12,700 a month. You've got two months left.

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You've got 6 weeks. But let's keep the math simple. You've got 6 weeks. 12,700* 2 gets me to 25,000, not 35,000." And that's the best of the three that you have here because the other one >> What did we get? >> The other one, >> what do we get? You know,

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>> you had Yeah. But what did we get in this vote? Here, here me hear my point because this is not a negotiation of this number. >> I'm not negotiating this factory. >> Let me restate it. I'm trying to help you understand how I as one voice

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>> and and let's put it that way. The the contractual services 5299 the total annual budget for contractual services is $40,000 and requested the transfer was for 30,000. So I'm think how are you

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planning to spend $30,000 in six weeks time or even if it's the two months when you had 40,000 and you actually have a balance left in that on the third one uh it was a$10,000 that that was the stationary supplies that was a total

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annual was $10,86 and you're looking for a transfer of 15,000 for the last six six weeks call it two months if you want I can't understand that as a justified transfer in terms of the amount that you're asking for. It's absolutely reasonable

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to ask for something to move from what part of your budget, >> but there's been a history of cutting the regist budget. Even the one you're going to approve is is not the budget we submitted, the fiscal 27th. So, there's a history of the registry not being funded and the rubbers hitting the road

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this this year. And as far as printing, we have obligations to print. So even by your your analysis, you're saying, "Oh, it should be 25,000." What's the >> I said at the I didn't say it should be. I'm saying at most. >> At mo at at most. And we got 5,000. >> Correct.

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>> So I'm talking about what you ask. So I have a choice between picking your accepting your $35,000 number >> or a $5,000 number or coming up with a number of my own. >> You can come up this has the right to come up with a number of their own.

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Understand? And again, it goes not not to bring a lawsuit up about it. We had this lawsuit. The the law, you know, there's a couple of them, but the one that four judges in three different courts and the Supreme Judicial Court said the register, not the county directors, the authorized official of

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the registry. And I'm saying we need the money. We got $178. And and and you're right. Whatever number, it's certainly not the 5,000. we need and whatever number you whatever number you put in there, if we don't spend it, it goes back to the general

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fund. So to me, you know, if you if you can't resolve this thing because the money's in the budget, what makes my what makes the registry request any different than the $50,000 request on a case that that from the registry's perspective was

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settled in court? And I'm I'm certain >> I want to be clear. I don't want to I don't >> Well, I had a listen to that. requesting another 50 grand. >> If we if we I'm understand why I'm talking to you. >> I'm not talking to negotiate a number.

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I'm talking to so you can understand what I what I said last month, why I said it and what I meant by it. And I'm boldly trying to fix I am I'm one of the newest people here. I'm only trying to fix the part that I think is fixable

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without getting into the swamp of the legal side, which I'm not qualified in. Transfer requests are clean if we can keep them clean. And I'm saying if in dealing with this, yeah, I got a choice between two

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numbers. To be honest, I think the commissioner's number is a whole lot closer to whatever it should be than yours is. just say for printing unless there's something that you do in the last six weeks to a fiscal year that's a $35,000 expense and >> and you're comparing it to past years. I

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we're recording more documents. We recorded more documents which we have to bind and all that this year than we did in 25 than we did in 24. And it goes, you know, so >> so what are you what are you doing in the last six weeks of fiscal year that's going to cost you $35,000? Well, even

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even on your your math of 130 130 divided by 10 is 13 grand. And like you said, it's it's 26 grand there's there's printing costs, you know. So, >> sorry. No, based on you know May and June

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around the 130 divided by >> 10 why did you put that if if you're saying we have a steady 10 you know if that number that I had is the real monthly like I don't know where you beginning as what you asked for if you

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were basing it on a need >> because there's always needs at the end of the year and if we don't spend it it goes back to the general fund right now you're just putting it off limit limits. So when authorized official of the registry who's saying he needs this money to finish off the year and the

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courts agreed that what was going on at the county that that's a case that's completely >> I'm only talking about budgets you have and transfers in that >> right but when the authorized official per the Supreme Judicial Court there's no higher court in Massachusetts

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we need the money and if it's 25 it's 25 it's certainly not the the five we But and and and again I think the registry gets looked at a heck of a lot more and when you consider we bring we brought in we're an $80

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million corporation if you want to view it that way. A few years ago we brought in 80 million the last few years it's down to 50 something million and you begrudging it respectfully 35 grand of finished and if we don't spend it it goes back to the general fund. So that's

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the piece that I won't only because I've spent a lot of time on my town side on finance. I will not accept. Well, just throw it in there and if we don't use it, it's just going to drop to the bottom. I understand the rationale. I'm looking for something that has more more substance to it for I'm trying to find a

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way to get you what they want. >> 25 I I that's all I want to do. >> I'm gonna I'm gonna cut because I I think I'm trying to make a point. It's not to negotiate a number. I'm trying to I'm trying to do my best to help you

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understand how one single voice on the advisory board that spoke up last last month about transfer requests. I'm not prepared to support what you've requested here. I want you to understand why I don't have I don't have I'm not

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smart enough to have a better number than the numbers that are here. I think the number the commissioners have is closer to what the real requirement is between now and the fiscal year. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm making a a subjective judgment. I'm not trying to negotiate with you because I don't have that role.

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Trying to help you understand at least how one person is thinking about this kind of stuff. I hope that at least over time, one little piece of all the the stuff that creates the friction can't get better than it's been. That's all. And to give you because as you say you're

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new a sense as well. The spending numbers that you you're looking at historically that they based base it on is artificially low. First of all because cuts that I argued shouldn't have been made. And when the end of the year comes we can't spend the money.

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$178. I mean so it ends. So even though there's a need it looks artificially low. And the fact is that the registry by law gets a county mandate and in years past we have been prevented from

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putting that money into budget codes to spend. So our spending has been unofficially held down and and again that that's not me saying it. You you know you lost that in court. I know it's appealed but that's the second case and the judge clearly ruled against that.

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That's not the part I'm trying to I'm trying to help you with one, but >> you're looking at numbers that have been artificially kept lower and this is just to me an easy fix. It's it's the right fix is we need money to finish the end of the year. There was our request. It's

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certainly, you know, I mean, they come up with $20042. Everyone else puts in a request 65 grand. That's going to I'm sure that's going to get approved really quickly. and they're 50 grand for legal coming out of electricity. >> I'm not talking about anybody else. I I

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I think the thing to take away and you can accept it or not or value it or not. >> I would need to see more solid justification for the numbers you come in with me to be comfortable to support those. I would like to be able to support you, but the the rationale and

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the explanation of why you're asking for the numbers that you're asking has to be at least, you know, easier for me in my befuddled mind to understand. You know, I it may be that it's clear to everyone else. It's not clear to me having I'm

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more thinking about next year at this point. Not because it's this is our last meeting. This is uh >> I don't know how clear I can be that there's two $178 in printing and it's not like I could just magically transfer money into that

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line item. That's why and there's there's money registry monies that have been approved. uh we are entitled to a county mandate to spend and and again this this is just what's happened every year even before you got here Gus that

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the registry isn't allow you know you know one year there you know we're just not allowed to spend the county mandate and when you do that of course the numbers are going to be down and and we just needed to get through the end of the year so I I you know I just believe it was an easy you know easy fix

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nothing's easy of course but I appreciate what you said. >> At least in the long run, my comments were helpful. >> Well, they gave us hope. I don't know if we I don't know if the hope is getting realized tonight, but uh I appreciate it. >> Can I ask a couple questions just in

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terms of what you saved? So, if I look at your FY26 approved budget of $147,000, are you say what amount of money are you saying that was funded for under approved for budgetary perspective? I' I'd have to look, but for instance, this

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fiscal out of fiscal 27, we asked for 360,000 and the approval that you're going to vote tonight is 225. And this has been going on for years. So, uh, again, uh, the 127,000 I'd have to look

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back at last year's request because what goes on the computer, it says, you know, department request. It's not the department request. It's it's county director grown. So let's just stay on that line. >> So on that I know we requested a higher amount than 127. It could have been

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closer to 200 to be honest with you. >> Okay. So let's just stay on that line. So my numbers are correct when I look at uh the information um that I have. It looks to me like you have had a transfer or a supplemental of $23,200

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in that line budgetarily to date. >> No. What happened if you recall and again thank you Gus um there was a unilateral cut of our budget of 32,000 out of group two uh which printing is included

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>> yes >> and in that was done in September and in in December at least the advisory board was kind enough we still got cut 32,000 but they took it out of group one and put the 32,000 back so it it was

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actually the the $32,000 went back to make it 225 in group two. Now, you know, there's a bunch of uh codes in group two. >> Okay. >> So, uh a port, you know. >> So, so are we saying that? >> So, that was unique.

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>> You say that line just that line is underfunded by more than 50%. >> We Is that what you're saying? Oh, I I would say I I bet you we probably requested, you know, close to 180 for for for the printing. Okay.

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>> You know, to get to get through the year. And this has been going on going even I know, you know, you've been around, but the last, you know, you're on for the last few years. >> You know, I I'll just give the fiscal 27. There was a a 300 in group two. There was a I think it was 360,000 and

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225 is approved. >> So, we get cut. Okay. Um, and so that's what happened in fiscal 26. And I I'm sure that we requested more than one. >> My other >> my other question on a comment you made

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was that and it and I believe it's in one of your letters here that um there is needs that need to be there are things that need to be honored. I'm going to ask you a simple question. Have you contracted for goods and services in

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any of these lines without having that money already appropriated? >> Getting this money is there's multi-year contracts. I could say the same thing for the for the legal that you're just approving. Uh they to date they've paid

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159,000 in legal bills and your original budget was 119,000 for fiscal 26. So, you know, uh, so, >> so there's no there's no goods or services you've received >> that you now there's no there's no money. How can there be? But there's

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contracts. That's the thing, you know. I don't just, you know, did you have contracts at the Yankee school? >> Yeah, but I didn't contract unless I had the money. >> Right. Well, they it's already been contracted. They had like three-year contracts, right? Did you have threeear or two multi-year contracts? Yeah, but I

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would have I would have encumbered that contract. >> But how can you fund it if if if the contract's approved in year one and we're in year two. >> So I would have approved it in the in the beginning of the budget year. >> Yeah, but they cut it, >> right? If you you put the money in and

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>> so you contracted with money that was cut if you contract, you know, we've been through this, you know, early. Well, no, because you know you know people you know >> I haven't been through it. I'm asking you a question. I'm just asking you a

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simple question. >> A the contract and again I'd have to check the dates but if there's a contract in year one for printing >> Yeah. >> and we're in year two or three, right? It's a multi-year contract. >> You have obligations. So again, you

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can't you can't contract for those services in the third year if you don't have money for that third year of the contract because provision of the contract. >> Yeah. Still has >> it has to it's you know the contracts move on you know now you can't you can't

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get services now with 178 you know that's that that I agree with is 178 you can't you can't incur that. But um you know I mean it's it's like municipals good contracts, right? I mean in Medfield, right? There's a contract and

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>> there's always a provision that says it's a three-year contract. The subsequent years are subject to appropriation >> because nobody nobody in the state as far as I know can obligate funds outside of >> I'm asking if you had the appropriation

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to fund that third year of the contract. you had appro the appropriations get voted and then you you go I don't know how many books are going to get printed depends on the volume and and again I think that's something that's missing has been was missing in the analysis they say oh historical data from the

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last three years in three years inflation has gone up god knows that costs have gone up and we've had bigger recording volumes which which is good because deeds excise money comes in the county gets 60% of that the registry is

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supposed to get 40%. So each year the the volume has gone up. >> Uh Mr. Chairman, I I have a question for the register through you. >> Yes. >> Would you please answer chairman Fitzpatrick's question? The reason No, you did not. The reason I'm asking is

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because we have a history of you actually proceeding with contracts and obligations without the money appropriated. And we have talked about this in the past and I really like to hear you answer. >> I would like to hear your I would like

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to hear you answer. >> Mr. Cron is >> I would like to hear you answer this question appropriately. >> I did answer. >> No, you did not. No, you did not. >> Respectfully, >> contracts we know are subject to appropriation. And the question was, have you contracted or received goods

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and services for money that has not been honest with you, >> Mr. register. It is very clear. The question is, have you received goods and services for that have not been already appropriated? That is the question we want. >> Said I I executed the contract. I don't

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execute contracts. >> We want to know. Have you received goods and services for that have not been previously appropriated? That's the question. That is the question. >> The question The question is it is a state law. We want to know. We are a fiduciary. We have a fiduciary

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responsibility to make sure that that is being followed >> and you have it duty to fund the registry and you have it haven't >> absolutely we have absolutely >> to the judge you did so not appropriate for this >> this is a question it is absolutely

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critical it is it is important for our work we are the fiduciary responsibility we must know this >> and again I know there are new new people there through the chair your position has been that uh all uh monies that get collected are the county's

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monies, right? >> How would you describe that? >> That's how you described it. That's not right. >> It's not up to me. >> I know. And the judge disagreed with that. The judge said, "No, that I'll give you an example. >> The school the school has a three-year bus contract."

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>> Right. Right. They sign a bus contract for three years. >> Right. Each of those three years, you need to appropriate the funds to cover that contract for that year within that three-year contract. And that money has to be duly appropriated in your budget.

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And that's what I'm asking. Have you done that? >> Yes. But >> okay, >> you have more books, you have more, you know, you know, you have more more costs. And again, we're trying, you know, what is it? what you know all these great

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questions and I didn't hear one question on the legal that you you spent 159,000 through March 31st to deny these poor people their jobs and you take a look at what the fiscal 26 budget was 119,000

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maybe they transferred money in I don't know uh but I I I'm not going to stand here and listen that oh uh you know the register did something I need 50 grand that was in December now you need another 50 grand so you could ask the same question. 159,000 through March

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31st on $119,000 budget. How does that happen? So, >> yes. So, Bill's a friend of mine and has been for an awful long time. We just disagreed on certain issues recently. And while that question was being asked,

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which I think Bill offered his version of an answer, I I want to jump up and object to the question. And I think u probably all know why. Um, and so I I understand you're you know where you're coming from with that piece and but I

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will say that some just some general observations like sometimes we ask for things in budgets that don't get spent and in my history with the board and working way through the chairs there's been times when there's been money asked for and we've had to say no which I

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don't like doing. I mean we've had a lot of discussions in the past about the budgets. Um, but for example, if there was some maybe a position or two or however many weren't getting filled, sometimes those get hired back because they weren't being used. But I do have

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to defer to the the people that we hire. And while you may not agree with certain people on on our group, you know, these guys have to look at the stuff, too. So, uh, but I I just I want to jump up and object to certain things. Um, and you

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offered your, you know, what you what your thoughts going on. And it's a tough situation. I wish we weren't at this position. Uh, and I I'm I'm always hopeful that we'll get past it at some point. You know, it's just it's kind of like a family situation. Uh, and we all have families and I have a big Irish

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Italian family. So, you name it, we've always got some something going on. So, this is part of the family. You are part of our family whether you like it or not. So, and that's what you get talked about because you're you're the the family, but it's just the the

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disagreement piece. And we're all trying, you know, you're a great guy. You do a good job over there. Some of this stuff, it's important. I'm not going to say it's not important. And it's dimminimous. It's I know it's important, but uh we're all trying to do the best

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we can with it. And it is hard when you're on the other side of the V on some of the stuff, right? because, you know, I still don't treat you any differently. I try to be the same. Um, but it's it's it's off. It's it's uncomfortable. You know, it's not comfortable for me to come to this

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meeting. You know, I get, you know, but >> but I I I took an oath to run the registry. The Supreme Judicial Court, the highest court in this state, said the register's the authorized official, not County Director Cronin. And again, I recognize it.

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This is it's not like I'm trying to come up with money. I'm not trying to say give a you know that we've been denied access to the reg to the deeds excise fund that the registry by state law it's a revenue and we should be getting a percentage. If we can't agree on money

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that the registry has not spent and put it into code so that you can just finish the year to June 30th. If you can't agree on that and like you say, you know, then you know that's how it is. I I know I can't I can only make make the

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argument that it should be a simple and not only the right fix, the lawful fix is to allow the registry to use the money that's been in their approved and funded budget. And whatever happens, it happens. But

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you know it is uncomfortable on something like this. I you know uh something that I think is a lot uh clearer in my mind that the the right thing would be to move some money whatever that number is into these codes

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and just let us finish out the year. We're not talking about the you know position of Dr. Charles that says it's 100% county. We're not talking what's an appropriation versus what's a revenue. Those are I get are more complicated,

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but this is registry approved monies that this board approved and we're just trying to get it into accounts so that we can finish off the year. I didn't ask for the 117 that was there. So, there's a benefit to the county right there and whatever we get if we don't spend it

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goes back to the county. Mr. >> Thank you, Mr. Move on. Okay. Well, in front of us, gentlemen and ladies and as members of the finance committee, we have three items that we

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want to focus on. There is a there is a transfer request of $25,000 from fun clear surplus in FY25 to be moved to the stabilization fund.

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of at at the point that this is voted uh it would require a twothird vote of uh the body. >> Okay, I'll call roll call on that item. Peter, >> yes. >> Mr. Murvy, >> yes. >> Mr. Beckham, >> yes.

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>> Dr. Charles. >> Yes. >> So, that >> uh Yeah, that would be helpful. So, Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to approve the fiscal 264th supplemental transfer

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request tot holding 125,18752 to be paid for the t funds declared surplus at the close of fiscal year 2025. >> We have a second. Second >> roll call. Mr. Padua. >> Yes. >> Mr. Murphy. >> Yes. >> Mr. Beckman.

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>> Yes. >> Dr. Charles. >> Yes. >> Mr. R. >> Yes. >> Mr. Fitzpatrick. >> Yes. And Mr. Chairman and I move to transfer 300,000 from account 30100

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03 3000 1 0 0 Windy District Court Funds to account 30165,041 000025 for the Den District Court lot paving project.

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We'll have a second. Roll call. Mr. Pull. >> Yes. >> Mr. Murby? >> Yes. >> Mr. Becker? >> Yes. >> Dr. Charles? >> Yes. >> Mr. Red? >> Yes. Here. Item number four. Agenda number five under the agenda is the FY27 budget

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for approval. I would uh just like to ask the director uh at least the budget before us this evening the exact same we had presented at the last >> it is

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that be order questions motion to approve Second motion to approve the motion approve. Oh, I'm sorry. We have to read the motion. Do you mind if we do motion?

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>> So, Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to approve the fiscal 27 proposed council budget with the amount of 38 million 936,113.34. We had a second. You have a second. >> Second. >> Okay. >> Mr. Padula.

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>> Yes. >> Mr. Murvy. >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Dr. Charles. >> Yes. >> Mr. Ray. >> Yes. >> Next. In front of us, we have the minutes of the open session meeting of April 15, 2026 for approval. >> Mr. Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to

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approve the meeting minutes of the North County Advisory Board of the Finance Committee from Wednesday, April 15th. >> Second call Mr. Padulla saying, >> Mr. M. Yes. >> Yes. >> Dr. Charles, >> yes. >> Mr. Ring,

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>> yes. >> And myself. >> Item number seven in emergency items topics. Mr. Chair did not reasonably anticipate discuss I have none other >> chairman I mot

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>> Mr. Padulla >> yes >> Mr. Mury >> yes Mr. Becker >> yes >> Dr. Charles >> yes >> Mr. Yes. And myself. >> All right. I will call the meeting to order. The executive order on remote participation on March 28, 2025,

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governor signed into law house 62 an act relative to extending second co 19 measures adopted during the state of emergency which includes a two-year extension of the option for public bodies to holding no meetings by suspending certain provisions of the open meeting laws general law chapter 38

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subsections 18 through 25. That action was effective immediately extending the current option for remote meetings through June 30th 2021. So, we will start with the roll call. Bill, are you ready? >> I am ready. Gus, >> are you ready?

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>> I am ready. Avon >> here. Bellingham. Bra >> here. >> Brooklyn >> here. >> Honest. >> Denim >> here.

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>> Door. >> Yeah. Franklin here. Goldberg. Medfield here. Medwagon >> present. >> Dylan Milton >> here.

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>> Need >> here. >> Nor. Norwood. Playville. Quinzy >> here. >> Randolph >> present. >> Sharon here. Stoen

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Walpole Welssley Westwood >> present >> Redam >> I have 68.24. >> We do have a quorum. Okay. Next we will do the pledge of

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allegiance. Dr. Childs, would you lead us in the pledge of allegiance? Very fair. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America which is the um fiscal 26 fourth supplemental budget transfer and capital

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request for approvement crony. Good evening, members of the advisory board. Commission voted last week to uh send along to you a request known as our FY264 supplemental appropriations there.

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These are all basically transfers. review the first item to transfer a $50,000 surplus and maintenance electricity line miscellaneous legal services to offset projected expenses the end of the fiscal year associated with the Ben lawsuit

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taken out by the registry deed against the second item is to fund $10,18752 the transfer from a registry deed's permanent salaries for the following three lines printing and binding $5,678.19

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services 5 excuse me $4,268.99 and office supplies $240.34. The Aggie requests a transfer of $65,000 from salaries templaries over time. The total transfers within the operating budget $125,18752.

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The next item is to transfer $25,000 from the FY25 surplus being made available in FY26 into the stabilization fund required two/3 voting. And then finally, a request to fund from the so-called

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Quinsey stabilization fund, $300,000 to the Denim District Court parking lot paving lighting account. >> That account also required 2/3. >> So I have >> any questions about the supplemental?

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Seeing none, we'll take a motion. >> Question. >> Question from Denim. Sorry. Is that Mr. Pledo? >> Yes. >> Just go ahead, sir. >> The uh I got a question a few of them. The first one, the uh $50,000 for the uh

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legal uh what do we what do we expense so far this year? >> Um I don't have that uh information in front of me, but uh we have a process. We set >> a big pardon, sir. >> That's a surprise. >> Is it a surprise? I'm sorry. Um, I

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wanted to let you know at this stage of the uh year we have approximately $7,000 left in that account. And as we project out, um, the lawsuit that was initiated by the Registry of Deeds is still ongoing. We are looking at depositions of individuals associated with that

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lawsuit that will result in very large increased legal costs over the next two months. Thank you, sir. >> Mr. Chairman, >> another question. I was at the meeting in the courthouse about a month ago when they uh the judge sent them out to to

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solve it. They ca they came with an uh agreement. Uh and why are we uh still fighting the registry? Because in court, >> the judge said three or four times to the uh uh county attorney, "It's not about you. It's about the county." I was

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in the court. >> I'm sorry, but your corruption's out of odor. That's a legal question. Your question is out of order. I don't want to give the money to they don't need the money because I think they're wasting taxpayers money. >> The county is wasting taxpayers money huge here.

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>> Okay, that's the problem. >> Thank you for your comments. Any other questions from the board? >> I have a question, >> sir. Legal bills. Why can't we ask about them? Do you have to I mean we if it's a

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legitimate question when we go into executive session to deal with it. I mean I know there's some non board members but I mean I think I've been involved in legal stuff all my life but not as a lawyer but but uh having to deal with

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that and pay for them and uh you know these are legitimate questions. >> Well the the answer that the director gave is is the answer right now. We can't go into executive session because we don't have it on the agenda. So, we can't we can't add an agenda item at

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this point. Um the basically the answer is we need the money in order to defend ourselves. That's the short answer. >> Yes. >> MO asked how much is left. If you do the math, $119,000 was originally appropriated. And as I mentioned, we have approxil.

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>> That's right. And we have approximately $7,000 left. So, we want to put another 50 in. >> Yes. Because, as I mentioned, we're we're about to enter an intensive legal defense space. >> Wait, depositions. >> Has this board gone into executive

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session on any of this in the past? Just curious. >> We've had executive session on legal issues. Yes. In the past. >> Okay. Good. >> Okay. >> Didn't we, Mr. Mr. Chairman, didn't we get $50,000 a few months back at one

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time? >> Um, I didn't hear the question. >> Didn't you get 50,000 in the past? >> This year in the legal, >> I believe so. >> Yeah, I believe we did. >> So, we're up to 170,000 now plus another 50. Correct.

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>> Sure. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Mr. Ryan. >> Yes. If there's no more questions, motion one. >> There is, Mr. Chairman. There is >> I'll ask you to limit your questions to

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the supplemental at hand. >> I am. I'd like to uh on the registry deeds premise hour like I'd like to as we always see the letter at last meeting, we talked about that issue about using his uh you want him to you know stay

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with his mandate. He is staying with his mandate and there's a sense of some of the people the meeting last week last month to use money from the salary group one to move it to group two and he did and the GRA did send a letter to the uh commissioners and to the board members

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to to uh probate now $80,000. So, I'd like to make a motion to uh amend the motion to from 10,187 to $80,000 and the three line below it the printing to 35,000 contract services 30,000 and

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stationary supplies 15,000. If the money is not spent, it will cost back as town goes it go back to free cash. So, it's not going to be it's for those line items only. If that if you don't by not

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giving it to him now, you're going to end up with that money at the end of the year to do what you want with and you're not meeting the mandate as we all said the county says we have to give the mandate. Well, next year the mandate we spend less. So his his mandate next year

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you're playing games and now it'll be a lower amount next year. >> Mr. Pledo, you've made a motion. So let's let's act on the motion first of all. Is there a second to the motion? >> What is the motion? He's asking to amend the register's um transfer to the

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amounts that he had that the register had requested which I believe was 30,000 was it was 80,000 alto together then the breakdown was 35 35 to printing 30 to contractual and 15 to stationary office

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so is there a second on the motion I'll second it >> okay so we have we have a So we will go to a vote Phil are you so this is a vote >> discussion sorry >> can we discuss it further >> you can

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>> oh Mr. Any discussion on the on the motion? >> So, if gentleman wishes to amend this and that $80,000 to register his request. Um, and I maybe I didn't hear him, but how will we

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approach the other requests? Where's the where's the balance on? >> I'm sorry, say that again. >> Where's the balance on that? If you're taking $8,000, are we where are we taking it from? How is that? >> It's coming from that same line, right? his salaries registry a deed to permanent salary line. That's the line

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that it's being transferred from. >> Okay. >> Into those other three lights. >> Thank you. All right, >> Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman. And he has according his letter $17,000 in that account. So, he's using his own money, the condiment money to move from one land to the other, which we've done

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we've done all the time. I mean, we move money around from other within the budget. We we're doing it later on the meeting uh for the uh for the u the school. He's staying taking 65 for one account, move it to another account. And for the uh

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>> Okay, Mr. We understand the point. >> Can I have the commissioners why they voted that way? Please, >> you we've got you're open for discussion question. >> Yes. >> This is discussion. >> Yes. Well, I would say whether the money is

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there or not, the job of public bodies is to be good stewards of prudent spending. And we should only be appropriating money that can be spent in the last six weeks of the fiscal year. And so the

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idea that at this point in the fiscal year we would be appropriating some sum of money that in some places would exceed annual budget seems to me to make is not good stewardship of our public

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dollars. And I think um I actually think that the commissioners my understanding of the commission's discussion was what do we need to do here to make this possible to make it whole enough without needlessly appropriating money that

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cannot be spent and um I think that's a big issue. So I I want to be sure I understood the commissioner's discussion on that correctly. But I guess that's a question through you, Mr. Chair, to the commissioners to make sure that I understood that was the thinking. >> Is it okay if I answer it? >> Absolutely.

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>> All right. So, um, the register requested $80,000 from the $117,000 that was not spent in salary and he requested it. And we requested the data to back up the

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$80,000 and we did not receive a response. And without data to back up this vote, um, we were forced to come up with our own data. It's it's not our job to do that, but we did it. And uh we wanted to help the registry to

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get through the last six weeks. And so what we did was we looked at the last three years of spending at the registry >> and we average those out. And these are the numbers that we came up with. We know they're wrong and they might be like because of inflation, but we don't

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have any other data. And our thinking was this will get us through the next six weeks. Come the next fiscal year, we have brand new um full line items, right? And so we can that can be spent and if there are deficiencies into the next fiscal year uh the register can

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always come before the commissioners and come before this board if necessary and explain the requests and defend the request. >> Thank you very much. That answers my question. >> All right. So we will move the question. All right. So we have a we have a motion

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and a second. So this is this is a motion to amend the supplemental. Just so everybody understands, this is not a vote on the entire supplemental. This is strictly to amend. >> Can you can you read the motion? I'm getting confused here.

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>> The motion from Mr. Pledo was to to amend the supplemental. >> Yes, please. >> To amend the supplemental request on the three reg on the four registry lines. The first one was registry of deans permanent salaries. would be taking

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80,000 instead of the 10,000. Registry of deeds, printing and binding would go through 30 35,000. Contractual services would go to 30,000 and office supply would go to 15,000.

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>> Yes, >> that's the motion on the on the table. >> So, a yes vote would be to approve that amendment. Yes. >> And a no vote would be to not approve that amendment and stick to the existing keep the same. Yes. >> Thank you very >> Thank you. Motion to move the question. >> Sorry. >> Motion to move the question.

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>> Moved. >> All right. Are we ready for roll call? >> Ready. >> Okay. >> Did we get a second on the motion to move or do you need more? >> Yes. Actually pro. >> Okay. Right. >> It's just >> I have a point of I have a point of order. >> Sorry, Mr. Plato. We're in the middle.

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We're We're starting >> Ryan. Are we voting on >> starting now? Oh, I'm sorry. >> Yeah. Are we voting on moving the question or are we voting on the question? >> Say that again, Charlie. >> Are we voting on moving the question or were we voting on the question?

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>> Question. >> We're voting on the question on on the on the motion. The motion from Tom was to to amend those four lines. >> Move the question. >> Thank you. Because you usually have to take a motion when you a vote. When you make a motion or move a question, you have to take the vote to move the

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question. So, we're just voting on the question. Okay. We need a second do it. >> Okay. >> So, you're making the motion, Charlie? >> Nope. >> No, I am not. I want to understand what we're voting on. >> Paul from Randolph made the motion to move the question. Correct. >> Boxboro, you second. No.

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>> No, I did not. >> You did not. >> I'll second the motion. >> Dr. Childs second. So, we're going to do a roll call to move the question. >> Okay. >> We can have discussion on >> the floor. It's undebatable. >> I don't have anything to say, but

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>> Well, we've had discussion on this. points. >> No, no, this motion we have it's not debatable. >> Okay, you're right. >> It's it's can't debate debatable. Right. Am I right? >> All right. So, >> you're right.

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>> We're ready for roll. Are we ready? >> So, is this going to be a speed test if we see if we can go through two cycles and the least amount of time it's ever been done? >> Possibly. >> He just changed this. Let's see if Phil's up since the shot. >> So, this is to the question. >> Good question. Let me just change my

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label there. >> And to make it clear, a yes vote >> will move the question to allow for a vote on the amendment. >> Correct. A no vote >> would leave the supplemental alone and we vote for further discussion.

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Okay. >> Sorry. >> Now we got to set up. Uh, >> do you have to have a roll call on every motion? I mean, this seems kind of simple. >> We have to It's a hybrid meeting. We're required to do a roll call every for

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every question for the Zoom. Yep. >> That's part of that's part of the the uh of the open meeting law. >> Yeah. So, maybe it's time to give it a hybrid, but >> yeah. May point of order. Uh, usually a motion to move a question requires a two vote. >> Yeah.

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Is that true in our board issues? >> Is that true? I has not heard the rule, but it sounds like a best practice. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. >> The chairman point of order. >> Yes. >> Perhaps if the maker of the motion withdraws the motion, I get a sense of the board that we're ready to move on

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the actual vote without doing a second roll call. >> Mr. de. So are we doing now? I'm getting I'm getting just take a vote on on the to

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take a vote on the move. >> This is on moving the >> Avon. >> Yes. >> Bellingham. Brainree. >> Yes. >> Brooklyn, >> yes. >> Canton, >> yes. >> Cohassid. Denim. >> Yes. >> Dover. Foxboro. >> Yes.

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>> Franklin. >> Yes. >> Brook. Medfield. Yes. Medwig. >> Abstain. Milis Milton. >> Yes. >> Needam. >> Yes. >> Norfolk. Norwood. Planeville. Quinsey.

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extension. uh 66.64 yes 1.60 abstaining. >> Right. >> So the question is moved. >> I vote on the motion. >> So now we vote on the motion. >> The amended. >> We have the amended amount. >> Okay.

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>> All right. You let us know when you're ready. Phil, >> I'm ready. >> Right. Please. You should have timed it. Okay. Avon. >> No. >> Bellingham. brain injury. >> No, >> could we read the motion again before the vote? >> We already read it.

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>> Well, I don't remember what it was. >> So, a vote >> a yes vote would would >> This is on the This is on the amendment, Mr. Plato's amendment to amend the numbers. >> What was the motion? I I didn't write it down. >> Make it $8,000. The motion was to make

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that registry account $80,000 coming out from salaries, $35,000 going to printing and binding, 30,000 to contractual services, and 15,000 to office supply. That's that's the amendment. >> Okay. >> So, we're taking a vote on the motion to

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amend. >> Okay. We wouldn't have broken the record. Okay. >> Uh I'll start at the top just to be clear. So Avon Phil, are you ready? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. No. >> Bellingham. Brainree. >> No.

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>> Brooklyn. >> No. >> Canton. >> No. >> Cohassid. Yam. >> Yes. >> Dober. Boxboro. >> Yes. >> Franklin. >> No. >> Uh, Hullberrook. Medfield. >> No. Medway. >> No. >> Milis. Milton?

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>> No. >> Need? >> No. >> Norwood. Plainsville, Quinzy, no Randolph, >> no Sharon, >> no. >> Stoen, Walpole, Welssley, Westwood, Wayimoth,

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>> no. >> Random, >> was a no. Weimoth was no. >> Correct. >> Uh 5.49. Yes. 62.75 No. >> All right. So, the motion fails. The amendment fails. So, we'll go back to the original motion or we need a motion.

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Motion to approve the the um supplemental budget. >> Report from the finance committee. >> I'm sorry. Yes. Report from the finance committee. I apologize. Right. >> Report from the finance committee that was held at 5:00 this afternoon.

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We did have some discussion as to um these matters that were before us. Um and there was a recommendation from the the finance code to uh recommend approval.

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>> Okay. The recommendation from the finance committee is to approve as as presented. >> Correct. >> Right. Do you want to um start the motions? We got three separate motions here. >> Sure. If you want to read the first one,

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we just Okay. So, we'll stay with uh this motion to approve the we already had. >> Yeah. Charlie, you made the motion on the 125, right? On the supplemental. >> Yes, as presented. >> Okay. And was there a second?

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>> Yes. Medway. >> Medave was a second. Okay. So, we got a motion and a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, Bill, are you ready? I will be ready in a second. Let's see.

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>> Yes, Avon. Oh, wait. Wait a minute. I'm sorry. Did we Charlie made the motion? Just want to make sure it's clear. That's for 125,18752. Just ask it up there. >> Okay. Go ahead. >> Avon.

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>> Yes. >> Bellingham. Rainry. >> Hi. >> Brooklyn. >> Yes. Canton. >> Hi. >> Cohasset. Denim. >> No. >> Dober. Foxboro. >> Abstain. >> Franklin. >> Yes.

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>> Old Brook. Medfield. Yes. Medway. >> Yes. >> Milis. Milton. >> Yes. >> Needam. >> Yes. >> Norwick. Norwood. Blaineville. Quincy. >> Yes. >> Randolph. >> Yes. >> Sharon. >> Yes.

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>> Stoen. Walpole. Welssley, Westwood, Weimoth. >> Hi. >> And Red. >> Uh, we have 62.75. Yes. 3.50 no, and 1.99 abstaining. >> So, the supplemental supplemental passes.

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Next one. >> Yes. >> Uh, I want to apologize that I abstained. Uh, I really don't understand. everything going on and the county conscious vote either way till I get a better understanding. So hopefully I'll

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be doing a more homework the next time. >> Yeah, we all have we all have problem this time around or at least I do. All right, let me go to the next these next two votes just to be clear require a twothirds vote.

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Okay. So, the next vote is to transfer the sum of $25,000 from funds declared surplus at the close of fiscal year 2025 to the county stabilization sponsor. >> We have a motion. Is there a second? >> I'll second it.

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>> Second by Foxboro. All right. Let us know when you're ready. >> Question. >> Question. >> Mr. Chairman, I have a question. >> Yes, Mr. Is that the $25,000 that was uh put aside for the Richard De's last month of

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the that he didn't get that? The same 25,000 he talked about? >> Yes. >> Okay. Okay. Don't agree with it. But >> is chairman the report of the finance committee on that? >> Yes. draft report of the finance committee on

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>> Yes. The report of the finance committee held before this meeting at 5:00 p.m. was to unanimously recommend the motion. >> Ready? >> Yes. >> Bellingham Bra. >> Hi.

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>> Brooklyn. Yes. >> Canton. >> Hi >> Cohassid. Dam. >> No >> Foxboro. >> Yes. >> Franklin. >> Yes. >> Holb Brook. Medfield. Yes. Medway. >> Yes.

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>> Milis. Milton. >> Yes. >> Needm. >> Yes. >> Norfolk. Norwood. Planeville. Quinsey. >> Yes. >> Randolph. >> Yes. >> Karen. >> Yes. >> Stoden. Walpole Welssley Westwood.

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>> Hi. >> And >> 64.74. Yes. 3.5. No. >> You have any clear vote? Motion passes. >> All right. The last motion. Do you want to do a report of the finance committee first? See, I remember this. We can do that.

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>> So again, report of the finance committee help at 5:00 p. this evening was again uh to favorably recommend this approval by >> Thank you, sir.

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So, I make the motion. >> Yes. >> Oh, I'm sorry, Charlie. >> I have a question. I have a question. When's this work going to take place? Thank you. >> Court, it is ongoing. We just hired a

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a firm PAR Incorporated uh to study the the needs of the lot. Um we expect their report in the next month. Um so we pretty much expect to go out to bid in the month of June and have the work done over the summertime.

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>> Thank you. >> Okay. So just to be clear, this is a mortgage to transfer $300,000 on the account 30100. Yes. 30001-0000 Quincy District Court Funds to account

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301 600 0 5 0 0 41 0 025 for the Denim District Court block paving project. >> We have a motion. Do we have a second?

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>> Second. Brian tree >> motion and a second. Seeing none is ready. We're ready. >> Putting the pressure on you, right? >> Yep. And this is the denim district parking.

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Okay. >> Avon. Yes. >> Bellingham. Brainree. >> Hi. >> Brooklyn. >> Yes. Canton. Hi. >> Hassid. Dento. >> Yes. >> Do Foxboro. >> Yes. >> Franklin.

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>> Yes. Brook. Benfield. Yes. Bedway. >> Yes. >> Milis. Milton. >> Yes. >> Needam. >> Yes. >> Norfick. Norwood. Planeville. Quinsey. >> Yes. >> Randolph. >> Yes. >> Sharon. >> Yes.

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>> Stoen. Walpole. Welssley. Westwood. We >> hi >> random. That's unanimous. >> Thank you. So the supplemental transfer of capital requests are all taken care of. Thank you all. Thank you for bearing with me

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as well. We'll move on to the next item which is the fiscal 2027 budget for approval. Mr. Director >> M. Uh excuse me. The uh members of the advisory board have made a report that the presentation made to you a month ago within the content of the proposed FY27

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budget is unchanged. I stand ready to answer any additional questions you may have developed over the last month. Um but the amount and the um details associated with that proposed budget remain unchanged since last. Thank you.

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>> Thank you sir. Any questions? Okay. Seeing I will take a motion. >> Motion to approve the FY27 current expense budget. >> Mr. Chair of the final. >> Yes. Report of the finance. >> Again,

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>> you think I would know these things. So again this evening meeting at 5m uh the FY27 proposed county budget in the amount of 39 mill 38 million 936134

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was uh discussed amongst the board amongst the cy and we recommend uh favorable approval. >> Thank you sir. >> All right Charlie you made a motion. The motion is to approve the proposed county

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budget in the amount of 38,93611334. Is that correct? >> So moved. >> So moved. We have a second. >> Second. >> Second. >> Milton. All right. Go. When you're ready. >> All set.

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>> Avon. Yes. >> Bellingham. Brainree. >> I. Brooklyn. >> Hi. >> Hon. >> Cohassid. >> Gent. >> No. >> Sto. Boxboro. >> Yes. >> Franklin. >> Yes.

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>> Brook. Medfield. Yes. Medway. >> Med. >> Med is. Yes. >> Milis. Milen. Yes. Need >> Norfick. Norwood. Planeville. Quinsey,

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>> That is 6474 or yes and no is 3.50. >> So, the budget for fiscal 27 has been approved. I thank you all for that. >> Mr. Chairman, I make a can I make a comment? I I want to record that my no vote is because of the uh the director

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and the commissioners lied to the whole committee uh three years ago about the about the director salary that it wouldn't go up after co. So I want the record to show why the other part of the budget are good but when the commissioners tell us one thing and three years four years later they changed it to change the decision they

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lied to the commission lie to the body. Thank you for the record. So some hold on uh I think the remarks made by Mr. Pledo are erroneous. They are incendiary. They're personal and they're completely inaccurate. I completely

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reject what we just said as unfruitful, misguided, and uh I cannot speak loudly enough on behalf of the commissioners that his remarks hurt the process that's involved with building budgets and communicating with the board. Um he once again shows that he's more interested in incendiary comments rather than logic

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professional dialogue. Thank you. >> I couldn't disagree with the uh the the It was done at the meeting. It was said he said at the meeting that he wouldn't the the the money wouldn't follow 3 years later and it did. So I I I I said

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before I don't agree with the director. I think the commission made a bad decision hiring him and he shouldn't have a job in the county. >> Your notes have been noted. Thank you very much, sir. >> Okay, I'll keep going. >> Sean.

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Oh, I'm sorry, Charlie. >> Yeah, I just think it's timely now for me just to say I really think that Mr. Cone and and Mr. Buckley are doing an excellent job and I want to say that I have full confidence in them and I appreciate the hard work they do. Thank you very much. >> Thanks, John.

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>> Couldn't agree more, Charlie. Thank you. >> I would add my voice to that as well, Mr. Ryan. Thank you for saying that. >> Okay, so next item on the agenda is the minutes. Do I have a motion on the minutes? >> So moved.

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>> Second Brain. Move it. Ranchie second. >> When you're ready, Phil. >> All right. >> Okay. >> Avon. >> Hi. >> Bellingham. Brainree. >> Hi. >> Brooklyn.

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>> Hi. >> Canton. I dam. >> Yes. Do Foxboro. >> Yes. >> Franklin December 17th minutes. April >> 15.

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Sorry. Saying yes. >> Uh let's see. >> Uh Brook Medfield. Yes. Medway. >> Yes. >> Milis Milton. >> Yes. >> Needam. >> Yes. >> Norfolk Norwood. Planeville. Quinsey.

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>> Yes. >> Randall. not having been here. I'm staying. >> Sharon, >> Stole, Welssley, Westwood, we >> apologies. Abstain

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>> and Random. Okay, we have 55.85 yes and 12.39. >> Okay, so the minutes pass. Thank you very much. Before we adjourn, I have just one thing I I would like to do. Um I should have done this a while ago, but I want to recognize Dr. Childs for the

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years of service that she gave to the board. And I have a little plaque to present to you. >> I have a plaque here for Dr. Child presented to Dr. Elizabeth Childs presented in recognition of your commitment and leadership representing the 28 cities and towns and the

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residents of Nokall County as chairperson. Noville County Advisory Board says presented April 15th because I expected you here last time. >> Sorry. >> So I tried but thank you very much. Thank you guys very much. Very sweet.

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>> Just two. Just two. >> All right. So, um I don't think there's anything else for tonight. So, I will take a motion to adjurnn. >> So, move. Second brain. >> Hey,

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we need a we need a roll call. Who's on the right? You ready? >> Yes. >> Avon Bellingham Brainree. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> Honest. >> Yes. Dober Foxboro.

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>> Hi. >> Franklin, yes. Bullbrook, Medfield, yes. Bedway, >> yes. And well done team. >> Milis Milton, >> yes. >> Needam, >> yes. >> Norfolk, Norwood, Planeville, Quinzy,

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>> yes. >> Randall, >> yes. >> Baron, >> yes. >> Stoen Walpole, Welsley, Westwood, Wayman, >> hi. and red unanimous. >> Thank you all. I appreciate all your hard work and we will see you in

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seember. >> Yes. >> Sounds like a song there somewhere. >> Thank you everyone. Oh.

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Good afternoon. Welcome. I'm now going to call the Wednesday, May 13th, 20 26 meeting of the Norfolk County Commission to order. I'm going to read the governor's message on remote participation. This is

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executive order on remote participation on March 28th, 2025, Governor Healey signed into law House Bill 62, an act relative to certain COVID-19 measures adopted during

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the state of emergency. This includes a two-year extension of the option for public bodies to hold remote meetings by suspending certain provisions of the Mass Open Meeting Law.

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Mass General Law Chapter 38, Sections 18 through 25. That action was effective immediately, extending the current option for remote meetings through June 30th, 2027. Will stand and join me

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in saluting the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Welcome again.

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I'm going to call the roll. Commissioner Stady? >> I'm present, sir. Commissioner Collins? Yes, present. And Commissioner Shea's present. Item number three, executive session. I'll make that motion, John. I'd like to make a motion we are going to go into executive session. Okay. I'll make a

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motion we go into executive session pursuant to Mass. General Law Chapter 38, Section 21, Subsection A, Subsection 3, to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining or litigation, and open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigating position of the public body and the chair so declares.

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I second the motion as presented. On the motion. Roll call vote. Commissioner stated. I vote yes. Commissioner Collins. Yes. And Commissioner Cherry, vote yes. We're in executive session.

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Don't go away. We will be returning. The remaining remainder of our meeting I don't expect it to be long. I'll be right here. Thank you. Thanks, Bill. You have 1 minute. You said slowly get it all in then.

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Not a rainy today. I don't know if it's going to rain tomorrow, but All right. You want to jump? Thank you. Welcome. We're back in brief. What do you need? May I have a minute? Minute? Yeah.

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One more minute. Oh. I'll switch out. Thank you. We're now back in regular session. And uh May 13th, 2028 meeting of the Upper County Commission.

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Executive session is over. We're on item number four of the regular agenda. Minutes of the open session meeting of May 6th, 2026. Mr. Chairman, I'll move approval of the meeting minutes of uh May 6th as presented.

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Second. Motion made and second seconded on the minutes. All All in favor. Aye. Aye. It is approved. Thank you. Number five, appointments I have none. Number six, public comment. Each week in our meeting we have public

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I'd like to call it Zoomland that's interested public comment today in this meeting about the agenda or about the agenda item? Director of Public Works, do you have anyone that's notified you? Uh not that has notified me, but I want to let the

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commissioners know that our facility director has notified abutters um around the dead end of District Court about our upcoming uh paving project cuz it will impact them. Um so, notice was sent out to them via email last week. Um some of them may

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start to express an interest in the timeline, which we don't have a firm grip on yet as we're still waiting for results from our vendor, but being a good neighbor is a big part of this uh job, so we'll let them know what's going on as soon as we know, but I want to let you know from a public perspective we did reach out and let them know what we're planning. Thank

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you. Thank you. Last call for public comment. Thank you very much. Old business. I have none. Personnel matters for consideration number eight, we have some. Mr. Chairman, if you wish I'll give you the names. >> Commissioner. Move those. Yes, sir. This

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is all at the Walsh Recreation Facility. Uh the motion is going to be for contingent employment. And the individuals are all uh for seasonal golf associate and all of them have the effective date the same. So, I move approval for Miles Ryan, Grant St. Jean,

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Mason Mastropietro Alex Hernandez, Quinlan McLean, Nathan Finnerty, and Joseph Cavallaro. Hope I got that right. Again, as usual golf associate effective date for all of them 51426 so moved. Second.

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Motion made and seconded. All in favor? Aye. It is a vote. All moved and seconded. Next. Mr. Chairman, if you wish I move the approval for the payroll expense warrant. Item nine uh for 51326 as follows.

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Move approval of 26-45 payroll of the county in the sum $147,573.68 so moved. Second. Motion made and seconded. All in favor? Aye. Second, we approve all the payroll of school uh 26-45

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uh subsection 23 the sum $403,680.83 so moved. Second. Motion made and seconded. All in favor? >> Aye. It is a vote. Third, we approve all the expense of the county uh 050226 the sum $634,

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$105.98 so moved. Second. Motion made and seconded. All in favor? Aye. And the last item, Mr. Chairman. I move approval of 050226A expense of the county the sum $4,297.12

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is a letter relative to the conditions the past year or so in Alpha County and the the staff has prepared this I've had this for for a week and I've looked at it about three times. It looks very well. It's just that a

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little ketchup. We're going to put it on the web. Uh it'll be advanced where it needs to go. Yeah, we're not sure if it'll be on the web because it's not ADA compliant um if it's scanned. But uh if it's put up as a it can be put up as a Word

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document as it is, but it may not have your signature on it. So, but it'll be pushed out where it needs to go. So, it needs to be larger print? No, it has to cannot be a scanned image. It has to be a Word document. So, I think we can put it up as a Word document. But if it has your signature it's a scan and it'll go different places.

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>> It's ready to go. If you want to wait another week and read it again. We'd prefer a vote this week, Mr. Chairman. >> I'm fine. I'm ready to move it. >> I'm ready to move it, too. I'm fine. I'm I move approval of the the draft reflecting on county government progress

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um as presented. I um I made one suggestion to um Mr. Buckley uh we helped to draft that and it was a correction. Uh there's a small typo and he said Was it related to a hyphen? It was. It was a hyphen. Ah. Yeah, so um so I

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I I second the motion as as amended. Yeah. Right. That's fine. It was small. Make this friendly amendment. Next slide. Okay, and I I Yes. I'm not going to hold you all captive, but I think we're ready for our seventh

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community to join the uh the waste management program. So, it's really Yeah, right. much more than we just spent on the um It's exciting and it seems to be going very very well. Sure. Okay, so did you make the motion, correct? >> Yes. And then a second by

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>> by Feeney. Motion made and seconded. Yep. On a progress report for the public that the government that the county has put together. Motion made and seconded. All in favor. Aye. right. Thank you very much. Next.

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Number 11. This is also a ongoing project relative to our support of the North Fork Hospital and our continuing support for House

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Bill 5047, an act authorizing the divisional capital assets and maintenance to took by him and to take by him from a certain land in the town of Noank, filed by Representative Rogers and Senator Rush.

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We're already on record supporting the building and as you can see the bill passed. They're now allocating further support. I don't think this is going to happen tomorrow, but it's an ongoing process. And we certainly

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give our wholehearted endorsement. Mr. Chairman, if I may, really quickly, uh this was a uh a petition concerning the the Noank Hospital that was closed and certainly it does bode well for the county where it affects so many county towns that was

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on that uh slide there. There's at least I think seven or eight towns directly affected and there's a ripple effect because again, right now with that hospital closed, EMS and first responders have to take people to other hospitals, maybe even further away. That causes those hospitals to be more

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congested and delayed and things like that. So, there's certainly a lot uh at stake here to get this hospital back open and >> [clears throat] >> whatever support we can give, I think is well worth it. So, I know we all support it. You need a vote of some sort? Okay. Uh

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it'd be great. I know we sent the letter, but I think they're looking for more advocacy, so perhaps I'll make a motion that we uh continue to support in some tangible way Oh. uh with a letter >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> sign the petition to save >> we are. Yep. electronically. >> All right, thank you. That way we go. I

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I move that we sign the petition in support of Norwood Hospital uh to to get it uh back online as soon as possible. Second. All right. Um public comment. I already made one of them, but it hasn't happened overnight. They've

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made some progress, but um >> [clears throat] >> I hope you can't turn back now. I mean, every time I go down there to get my issues sorted. Yeah. I got sad thing looking at it. It's brand new, but it's

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you know. I mean, I don't know if it's 50% done, 60, 30, but once it's up, it's up. Yeah. And again, you know, we're we're we're up against a big foe

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in that management company and that hospital company. Yeah. The name escapes me, but sad, sad, sad. Um so, obviously, anything we could do, we'd be happy to do. You know, I I listen. I went to a like a

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Chamber of Commerce breakfast locally and I listened to some of the TV and this fellow uh from the bank who was president. It seemed that the petition uh needs to be done to make the governor and the administration more aware of the need for it. They're not fully convinced

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that this is something that needs to be done looking at the whole area. So, you know, it's again, more or less, trying to ring the bell a little bit, show the concern. Mhm. Okay. And we need to take another vote. We took one on >> You have a motion on the floor. Motion made and seconded.

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>> Yeah. That we continue to support House Bill 5047 and act authorizing the division of the capital managers assets to take by eminent domain the land in

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the town of Norwood known as the Norfolk County the Norwood hospital property. So, this is a continuing effort. Um, I'm sure we'll uh again be doing this further along the

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road, but anything we can do we will uh this is important. Wish you a main second the vote in favor. All right. Thank you. Number 12. Report from the peculiar department the bid opening and contract awards contract award for rubbish removal

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for Norfolk County Agricultural High School. Maureen. Morning. Thank you. Good afternoon. Hello, Maureen. Hello. We have put out another bid and the results for rubbish removal this time

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for the agricultural high school campus and um we only had two bids received and the person that won the facilities bid also won this bid. So, we have here the new company. Yes.

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Now, the school had a company that has since been acquired by someone else. So, um they didn't bid. We do always reach out to our current vendor to let them know there's a bid out. So, but they were not interested, I suppose. So, the same one that's doing the

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county. Facilities, yes. It will be doing it. Yes, sir. Mhm. Do you know the name of the company again? Um DBI out of East Boston. Who's listed as the principal? Is there a principal of that company? Yes, um I can't remember the name. He came in

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and delivered the bids, sat for the bids. >> He's a former um >> department head in the in the state. This came up after we were involved. I know he's listening. All our neighbors here. Quincy. I'll bid, you know, and someone said I said

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yes he very much involved with the our bid and it's coming around and then they start telling me how they had a relationship with Okay. I said well wait till we see it, yeah. Yeah. Right. And we'll soon have a bid out for

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the trash removal at Wollaston wreck, which is Quincy. >> Coming down the pike. Yeah, so. Interesting. You don't get any bids from Republic? They're pretty big. No, and They're big. There was another person that came in and was explaining the whole history of rubbish removal and how so many

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companies have been acquired I see. >> by so there's only a few left. Yeah. All right, 2023, right? All right, Mr. Chairman, if you wish Yes. >> will you please make the motion to award the bid to the DBI Waste Systems Inc. to provide rubbish removal

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services at Norfolk County Agricultural High School for a period of 1 year with two 1-year options to renew the set the facility for June 28, 2026

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to June 28, 2027 for the rates shown on the attachment and described. So moved. Second. Motion made and seconded. To award the contract for rubbish removal for Norfolk County Agricultural

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High School. All in favor. Aye. It's right. Good. I'm going to sign this today? Yes, we'll sign it. Sign it. Sign it. Sign it, Richard. Let's go. Yep. Okay. >> Can't wait. You can't leave the trash on the streets, right? Trash waits for no one.

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Right. >> Good job, Denise. I think there's a second page to sign. Is there a second? Yeah, you have to flip flip the yellow. There you go. >> Oh, yeah. There you go. He usually catches me. Yeah. Richard was too fast. Yeah. Yes.

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Okay, that concludes that and I hope it works out well. Yeah. Thank you. >> much. It certainly is. Mrs. It was good to know. Yeah. We'll be right along. And the 13th, I call the county director.

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Good afternoon, commissioners. Just a few items. Um the advisory board will um be held this evening at the agricultural high school 5:00 for FinCom, 6:00 for the meeting. Um this is to potentially vote on the FY27 budget, which was introduced to them

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back in April. Um as per voted by the commissioners last week, there are small um a small number of fiscal year-end uh transfers and supplements, which will also be discussed. Um you want to alert department heads to be listening within the next week you'll

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be hearing from Maureen McCue, our CPO who you just met, as well as Phil. They'll be sending out your FY26 uh closing information. Um as fiscal year 26 quickly becomes um uh close upon us as we approach the

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middle of May, look for that email. I wanted to uh announce that uh the open enrollment for the county, which began on April 15th, will be closing uh um this week on May 15th. Um this was a digital experience for all employees, and I think um as we come to the close

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of this process, it's appropriate to thank Maureen Leiden um for all her work um making this um effort as seamless and as helpful to our employees as possible. And if you're listening and you haven't looked at your profile yet for um

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and uh open enrollment benefits, do so. You have only a couple days left. But thanks again for Maureen handling all that. Mr. Chairman, I just want to announce upcoming meetings um in the next couple of weeks. Um you may be seeing a return of the vendor interested in helping the county move forward with

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um potential solar charging station applications. A year ago, you entertained a vendor. Um that process uh was a null outcome. We're revisiting this, and you can expect to hear more from uh vendor who's coming in to discuss that option with you um again for your consideration.

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Um and then beyond that um certainly after late um sorry, Memorial Day, we'll start to try to schedule through the chair department head weekly meetings with you again. It's been a while since you've had them in. There are a lot of upcoming events, uh especially facilities with

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projects that you should get an update on. And I also think that in um late June, somewhere around early July, maybe more like late June, we'd like to bring Carl Majorin. Um Carl, as you know, has announced his retirement in early July after many, many years of great service to us. It's a good time to um get his

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input on how things are going up at the course, and and also to say goodbye and uh wish him the best in his retirement. So, that'll be July. After that, we'll pulse it based on the commissioners, uh the chairman's interest, but department head uh feedback is forthcoming over the next several months into the summer. Yeah.

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Well, thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. We'll wish him Carl well. By the way, he told me it's 32 years on the button. Yeah. Well, he's been thinking about it, which is what you should do. Mhm. And Oh, right in the middle of the off season, so we're looking to internally

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fill it from Yeah, it'll be posted. We'll have a we'll have some kind of an interim um arrangement. >> in the fall really take a look at Yep. That's fair to say. Oh, sure. Or after golf season. I mean you can't you can't

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stop the wheels of Yep. the the government at the golf course going too well. Thank you, Richard. Quick quick question for you, of course. Uh do we have any dates for uh the multi-county state association meeting? When that might be happening? Just a

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thought. No, um there was some conversation about something towards the end of the summer, if I recall from our last meeting, but nothing new. I I can certainly reach out to >> Just to kick it around and see if Yeah, it'll always be June before you know it, and just That's right. You got to get the summer months Don't forget around June 1st. So that's our first meeting in

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June. I'd like to get your thoughts on the summer. Yeah, that'd be great. Thank you, Mr. I'll check those dates. I'll check on that, Commissioner. Just the afternoon. Yeah, no real urgency, but good to plan it if we can. Yep. That's all I have. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Good. Okay.

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Good tonight. The finance board meets at 5:00, yep, and the regular meeting at 6:00. All right. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. Emergency topics subjects that you did not reasonably anticipate Again, for the second week, I want to

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mention the trooper who lost his life. I believe he's being buried today. Yes. And in Salem? Yes. >> So I'm just saying. Yep. And uh This doesn't make any sense. It was very very sad.

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Anyone gets loses their life, especially uh in a violent situation. But, uh we uh we feel bad for them. This young trooper, he seemed like

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the type of person we all want to work with. He was very already very accomplished on only after 3 years on the job. But, uh he was so well-liked. He had his own job in corrections. But, that's today. So, I'm sure that

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whole corner of the state is uh busy thinking about that funeral. I'll take a motion to return. I'll take Uh Mr. Chairman, I agree we adjourn at uh 1:45. Second. I'll second. Who's made [clears throat] and seconded?

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All in favor? I. I. We are now adjourned. Thank you very much. We'll meet again next week. Right.