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Good afternoon. I'm now going to call the Wednesday, June 17th, 2026 meeting of the Norfolk County Commission to order. Welcome. I'm going to ask everyone to join me in saluting the flag.

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>> Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. >> And to the republic for which it stands, >> one nation, >> under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you. Roll call. Commissioner Stady. I'm here. Commissioner Colburn.

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>> I'm present. Um Joe, do you want me to read the executive order stuff? I can do that. >> Sure. >> Okay. Uh pursuant to the executive order on remote participation on March 28th, 2025, Governor Healey signed into law House Bill 62, an act relative to extending certain COVID-19 measures adopted during the state of emergency, which imposed a

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2-year extension on the option for public bodies to hold remote meetings by suspending certain provisions of the Open Meeting Law, Massachusetts General Laws, chapter 30A, sections 18 through 25. That act was adopted immediately, extending the current option for remote meetings through June 30th, 2027. Votes

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may be taken on um any of the items listed on the agenda. So, uh sorry. Uh thank you. Um Thank you, Joe. So, uh we've done the roll call, so uh at this time I'd like to make a motion to go into executive session. Is that okay? >> Absolutely. >> Okay. Like if I make a motion we go into

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executive session pursuant to Massachusetts General Laws, chapter 30A, section 21, subsection A, subsection 3, to discuss strategy with respect to collective bargaining, or litigation if an open meeting may have a detrimental effect on the bargaining or litigating position of the public body, and the chair so declares.

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>> I second that. >> And we will be returning to >> Uh roll call vote. >> complete uh regular agenda after. Roll call vote. Commissioner Colburn. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Stady. >> Yes, sir. >> Commissioner Shea votes yes. So, we're in executive session. Okay, we're back

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into session. Thank you. And our regularly scheduled meeting of June 17th We're now going to move to item number four. Minutes of the open session meeting of May 21 2026 for a moment.

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>> Mr. Chair, the staff member who prepared those has been ill the last few days, unfortunately, so we'd ask you to bring a table on the agenda. >> We will table the minutes approval from May 21st to the next meeting. >> Second. >> Motion made and second to table the

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minutes for the open session meeting of May 21st 2026. All in favor? >> Aye. >> That's motion postponed. Number five, appointments. Introduction of Paul Lally, new county

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electrician. Paul Lally, >> I have a seat down, please. >> Get in the big seat there, Paul. Welcome. We just want to put a name with a face and say hello. And uh see if you have any questions.

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I know that uh Who was the electrician before you? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Oh, wait. >> Oh. >> Mike Osmond. >> Mike Osmond. >> Yeah. Mike. >> Okay. >> Oh. >> I'm sorry, Michael? >> Osmond. >> Yeah. Mike was great. >> That was his name? >> Yeah, yeah. Osmond.

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>> Okay. And [clears throat] uh that's all. Say hello and hope you stay here for 35 years. >> Hopefully. >> I plan it. >> You never know. >> Excellent. We're really going to have you. There's a lot of work to be done, for sure. >> I'm happy to be here. Thank you.

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>> Where are you from? >> From Quincy. >> Oh, great. >> [laughter] >> I'm glad to know him. What is his other name? But I don't >> It's okay. >> Do you still live in Quincy? >> I live in Weymouth now. >> Weymouth is a break. >> That's acceptable. >> Yeah. >> Not as good as Not as good as Quincy,

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but it's close. >> Too bad. >> for a company or did you own a thing or >> I used to work for a company, but not anymore. Just here. >> Yes. Good. How'd you find out about us? >> Just indeed. >> Okay, good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, you probably went to my site followed by these that's the way to do

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it. Well, you got big shoes to fill, but you got a guy actually who knows what he's doing. You know, you can lean on him and yeah, it's good. And hopefully with a little bit of luck too, we're going to have some charging stations eventually and other things will take place. So, we'll try and keep you busy.

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>> Yeah, that'll be fun. >> Yeah, that'll be kind of fun. Very good for you, you know. So, congratulations. That's it. Don't kill me. Any questions at all? >> No. >> No thanks. >> We good? >> Any emotional problems? >> Any emotional problems? >> Last week. >> Last [clears throat] week. >> All right.

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>> Thanks for coming in. >> Very good. >> All right. >> Mr. Chairman, while we're here, we also in fine form and dressed from head to toe >> our new assistant uh director of maintenance. Long time employee. Would you come over here? >> Hey guys, this is easy. What up?

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>> We don't have to say welcome to you. How long have you been here? >> Almost 40 years. >> Wow. Wow. >> It's after >> That's a long time. >> Which is how old were you? Like 15 years old, 10 years old? >> 18, but I actually worked uh two temporary summers when I was

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young, yes. 14 and 16. >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Yeah. All right. Thanks. Thank you. >> We're very proud of Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Chairman, and his long multi-generational family career here at the county and the

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tremendous amount of institutional knowledge he brings to the position. He also he already works some in the evenings. Uh so, it's it's wonderful to have him here to acknowledge your continued movement through the cursus honorum of of positions in the maintenance

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department. >> You have to have filled the role that uh >> John did. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, which is good. >> And that would be a help for you now, finally, right? >> Yeah, you look a little tired today. You need a little coffee. >> Now, that'll be good. That'll be great. That'll be great. >> being gone through.

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>> You'll [clears throat] approve it in a few minutes. >> Oh, it's on the it's on the agenda. >> That's okay. Okay, great. >> It's like all over >> Item nine. >> No, you can say it. >> Yeah, that's why >> You can go on and stare at item nine. It'll be item nine. >> Uh item eight. >> Item eight. >> Personal matters. >> There we go.

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>> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yeah, thanks so much. >> Congratulations. >> Thank you. >> Very much. Thanks for >> Yeah, opportunity. >> Good luck, man. We'll be talking to >> Thank you for mission. >> Good luck. >> Thank you. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> I'm going to stay for you. >> One emotion on that. >> Uh take a motion on this item. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> He's saying what item it is. It's jumping all over the place. >> So, now we're on item 16. >> No, we're >> We're on item number five, Joe. >> We missed public >> We we introduced all

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>> Okay. >> Number six. >> Public comment. >> Item number six is public comment. Each week we have a public comment section for anyone who wants to come in and say hello or ask a question, whether it is on the

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Zoom or in person. You know, [clears throat] are you aware of anyone in person here? >> On YouTube. >> Okay. Is there anyone out in Zoom land who would like to make any comments today relevant to agenda items in Suffolk County? Last call on

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>> Excuse me, I don't know if I'm on the agenda or not. This is regarding the EV charging. You guys invited me back. >> Yes, you are. Yeah. >> That's not the public comment, right? >> Right. >> You're right. That's not the public comment. No, but you're >> You're coming up. >> You're coming right up. >> Okay, I'm I'm here. I'm ready for you guys. Whenever you're ready for me.

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>> Okay, thank you. >> Very good. Last call on public comment. Old business I have none. >> Yes. >> Actually, we do old business was on that page. >> A. We have two items Mr. Chairman. >> I'm sorry. >> You like

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>> Like my TV >> Okay, I'm sorry. >> Matthew. >> Electric charging. Yeah. >> No. >> Okay. Um this is 7A. Electric vehicle charging station

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presentation. Uh EV charger installation project for proposal has been before us once or twice. I believe the last time these folks were in and you can correct me if when you

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get started if I'm wrong cuz they went off to the state to double-check and >> And now we have a we have additional proposal but I think I want to see her too present to you. >> Okay, sir. What's your name? >> Good afternoon, folks. This is Matthew

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Tuttleman. How are you today? >> Great, Matthew. >> So, thank you all again for having me back. Um last time I was here I was uh really just brought in to discuss some of the

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delays that had presented themselves uh in regard to a series of proposals that the uh that the commissioners had already approved to deploy EV charging

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infrastructure at six locations throughout Norfolk County. Um we received your uh approval during that conversation for us to go back and refresh those proposals because they had

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subsequently uh needed to be refreshed cuz of incentives potentially changing. We were able to go back uh to the well uh cross-reference the available incentives and are pleased to

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report back to uh the county that all six locations can still be provided to the county at the same zero capital expense uh offering originally discussed,

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originally presented, originally approved. So, now uh we're basically just back again. I had forwarded along uh those six revised proposals uh and now just need your

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uh formal approval for us to re-engage those efforts. The one comment I would like to make is on the one proposal for Stoughton

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District uh which was the first of the six email attachments I sent you. I did identify immediately prior to this meeting one small typographical error that I would like to bring to your attention. So, in that proposal for

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Stoughton District on page two uh of that proposal uh it states that we would be providing one dual port level two Autel 50 amp AC smart charging

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station. That is the correct amount. Where the error is four bullets below that, it says station covers eight EV parking spaces. That say two because this is only one

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dual port station. Other than that, we welcome any questions that the commissioners have in regard to the revised proposals. >> Refresh my memory or I'll remember

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please is when when we we last met and your associate was with you, too. What was the reason he had to go back and state? Can you restate? Because I had seen him socially one

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time. Uh actually it was in Canton with Richard and he brought it up that he was Oh, he wasn't critical of the state. Not us, of course. >> Not of you guys, of course not. >> He was like spinning his wheels. That's

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probably 6 months ago. What What was the real actual reason we didn't we were held up? Did the state say I'm we're not ready or something? >> Or what did So So the the the subsidies from

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the market fell into two categories. Uh some of it was provided by the utilities uh in what I think is classified as make-ready. Right? That's kind of the infrastructure piece. And then the other

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piece was from an organization within DEP known as Mass EVIP. Uh and they were the the keepers of the

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funds which if I if we really go back in time, I think some of those funds were provided to the Commonwealth under the Volkswagen diesel gate scandal from a you know, a decade a plus a go.

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The the process of EVIP and that team was the hold up. You know, and that that hold up was even being recognized by the utilities

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and at some point the utilities actually took over the front loading of the application process for [snorts] mass EVIP. Unfortunately, it does feel a little bit like a cat chasing its tail,

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but at the end of the day we have new guidance in regard to our ability to access public funds to provide them and you know, we're just trying to fulfill the original offering

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and the original commitment that the county had signed up for and do it and to do that at zero capital expenditure to the county. >> Which commissioner Mr. Chairman for you

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uh to uh Matthew. So it appears that each uh site except for Brookline they get two two charges. Am I right? Am I reading that right? >> Let me double check that, but I think that that's right. You've got

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um for Stoughton district you've got one dual port charger for uh hold on one second for Registry of Deeds, Dedham, you have one

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dual port charger. For Brookline District Court, there are three dual port chargers. >> Right. >> Right. And then one and one and one. Yeah. Except for You

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are correct. Except for Brookline, every location would get one dual port, so two heads, two plugs >> charger. Okay. So, um I know this is a beginning, it's a start, and

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not everyone has electric cars yet, but it is going to be in the future. I mean, um if we were to go in that direction, are we able to apply again for additional charges if if you know that? And how long would you have to wait to apply

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again? I'm sure we want to get these in, but how if we want to get a couple more, what would be the the downtime? >> Yeah, that's a that's a great question, sir. Um I and I don't officially know the answer to that. Um

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all of the public funds uh have been made available on a first-come, first-serve basis. Some of I think some of the dilemma that we had originally seen from

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MassEVIP is we had proposed trying to make some of the locations ready for future additional charging, and uh the MassEVIP framework did not allow for that. So,

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that's why we got back to the the basics where we're at. Um but I I would I would assume uh although my eighth-grade English teacher told me never to do that cuz uh we can spell that out. But but I would assume that you know, after

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the the current cycle of program funding if there is still more funding made available that we can inquire for additional subsidies to the market and and if that is available, we would

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be more than happy to provide those services for the the county. >> Okay, last question if I may. Sure. What um Assuming we move forward, what kind of timetable are we looking at where we might actually see the here at Norfolk

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County? >> Yeah. >> Is that all >> That that that that is >> that that is the the the the the most important question right because the county has clearly made commitments to providing these resources to the

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community and unfortunately the the wheels of government have have grounded to to a near halt. I I don't want to be overly optimistic because in setting overly optimistic expectations, I would

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probably be setting them too high and letting you all down. You know, we have been led to believe that it it should be a eight to

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at lengthy 12 week cycle after after we get approval from the utility. So there's really two steps. It's it's the approval first and then the deployment. But I I think that your your goals of being online

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in September shortly after Labor Day is a semi-realistic goal and it 2026 for sure. But shortly after Labor Day is is a pretty realistic goal. >> Okay, thank you. What

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I'm just checking this. I thought we had talked about state soon. Also put something denim District Court behind the old parking lot. >> There is a there I thought there was a number >> I don't I don't see that. I thought we I see no I see something in the three.

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>> I got registry of deeds denim. >> Right, that's a separate building. >> Okay. Um well >> You meant by that? >> Uh that might have just been an an oversight in our providing them back to you. Um what I will do is I will go back to

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>> Take care of the denim court, too. >> Well, no. I thought we were going to have a couple back with a a parking lot as well. That other parking lot we had. >> You mean the parking lot? >> Right. The bids to do? >> I Yeah, that's I'm only asking. >> Yeah, no. I >> We I thought we were The original

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proposal I thought included a couple there or one there. You know, one point for two cars there. >> Yep. >> As well as as well as registry of deeds. >> Give me 30 seconds to see if I can get a response from our project manager. >> Yeah, no problem.

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I don't think it's a good >> That's a good point. >> I think we're going to we're doing it this >> Right. >> Yeah, I just I just caught it. That's all. >> We are losing a couple of spaces over there. That one of them the lot becomes more compliant when we do the striping. It's as you know, we all park there. No lot. Um so

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the size um is such that we're probably going to shed one to two spaces. >> I'm only I'm only asking. I Now I wouldn't take that. But I thought the original thing we did include something there.

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>> I didn't know that pre-dated the um the effort to redo the District Court lot. >> Okay. Let's just wait one moment to see if I can get a response. Um I do have a I have a hard stop at 2:00 p.m. for another meeting. >> Okay.

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>> Um >> [clears throat] >> Can I Can we uh following what whatever Robert's rules are in regard to your process? Um respectfully, if we if you guys can make a decision on the six proposals

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that I have provided and I can provide an update via email regarding the Dedham District Court as soon as I have it. >> That's fine. >> Certainly you're welcome in the back of the District Court. >> Okay. >> Let's just let's

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>> So Matt, you're asking us to move forward on this today to get this thing going if we're ready. >> Yes, >> I wouldn't mind waiting a week on this, Richard. I I just want to look it over a little more. I want to talk to the county guy. >> Without [clears throat] opening Pandora's Box, shouldn't we send

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this to Patrick or some engineering people to take a look at it? I I'm absolutely supportive. I'm absolutely going to vote for it. I think it's coming. It's had fits and starts, but you know. >> One week.

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>> Matt, if you did you check with our director of maintenance as far as locations in terms of where they'll the places from before? I thought we'd already gone through this already. Like walk >> we've done we've done copious uh

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diligence on each site's location. So, the uh from that, I I I will double-check though whatever you whatever is requested of us, we are more than happy to take those requests, uh bring them back to the uh development

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team, and provide you with any answers that uh that you would that you have that we have the answers for. And if we don't have the answers for them, we will go get the answers. >> Right. So, just hold me. >> Do you think the board might want to

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table it for a week, give you time to just to touch base with our director of maintenance? >> Okay. >> Just to make sure the sites are okay, the connections are okay. I know it's a common copy we did before, but just to make All right. >> the director of maintenance?

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>> Uh Trick Cushing, we'll have we'll connect you to by >> We'll connect you. We'll get the information to you. >> Okay. >> Let me I did get a response on the on the on the Dedham court. He states or rather asks, I believe that's also the Ames Street lot. Is that correct?

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>> No, that that's not a lot. No, a different lot. Yeah, it's a different lot. >> So, if you could have maintenance follow up with me with the questions, as well as uh the the specifics about the additional site, then we will respond to that and hopefully be prepared for next

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week and if not, the week there then thereafter. >> Okay. >> Excellent. >> Really, good job. >> Thank you very much. Thank you all for your time and for your service. >> Good job. Thank you. Thank you. >> Have a wonderful day. >> We need a motion on this to table tonight. >> I'll make a motion to table it.

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>> Motion. >> Table this at least a week. One week. >> I made the motion, Richard. You want to second? >> Sure. Uh motion to table EBS uh next week. I'll second. Yep. >> All in favor. >> All right. >> All right. Excellent. >> Thank you very

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>> We'll connect that to >> to uh >> Set up, right? >> Yeah, second gear. >> Number eight, personal matters for consideration. >> Uh no, we have uh you're still under old business, Joe, under item technology fund request for the IBM server. >> For a moment, sorry. >> Sam gave us information on that.

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>> All right, that's fine. All right, Sam. Come on up. This is uh technology fund request for IBM server. Sam Adams, CIO, and Weldon, Register of Deeds. You know, we will drink build up. We do everything we want to and get them to

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put build down the end. If you want us to >> I'm going to All I'm going to do is thank you, Commissioner. This is just >> Dan, kick it off. >> We haven't talked about this for a couple of months, I think it is, so I just wanted to refresh the series of events. Uh and then the Register will I

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think you The Register and you'll have some stuff to discuss. So, uh we talked about this same timeline back in April. Um so, we became aware um in the summer of 2025 that the existing IBM Power 9 server

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was going to hit a what IBM calls an end-of-service date at the end of January of 2026. So, what this end-of-service date is is they And this is in a memo I think you had a copy in April. You may have been given another copy of this memo. It looks like this in

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your packet. What the end-of-service date is is that they stop supplying um they stop making new parts for it. They don't uh do any more code changes for it. And it's kind of like um an early warning. Lots of companies stay on

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these servers past the end date. In fact, Brown Tech has been on an even older server for longer. They just upgraded to a new server this past weekend. But, it's you when you get this uh notice of this kind of thing, you have to begin preparing for it. So, we started to do research into what

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we should uh recommend for a change to the server. Uh and the primary thing we were working on, I was told by Dan and found some information in our server in our file servers that the last time the uh server was upgraded to its current

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Power 9, the then CIO Jim Lemby, who was really good at IBM stuff, we had a Power 7 in place. But, instead of going up one to the power eight, he recommended going to a power nine. So, jumping up a couple. Uh so, that we

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would have a longer time with a more powerful server. So, we were checking into that sort of thing. Should we do the same thing? So, we talked to a whole bunch of um IBM people, people at IBM itself, and then also people who uh had helped us had helped Jim and uh Dan at

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that time make the decisions and got a whole bunch of stuff. So, we were able to send them a uh memo to Register O'Donnell and senior registry management at in the beginning of January just outlining the situation. Uh in the course of the next couple of months, I sent a couple of

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uh supplementary memos to the register uh discussing some things, which one of them included, unfortunately, uh the fact that IBM, as were most um technology manufacturers, was upgrade uh uh changing the prices due to memory. So,

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all of this AI push has made all memory on all computers go up and up and up. So, uh the register got back to us in March saying that he was uh going through the memos now. He had been very busy responding to um requests from the counties and this is

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from what he said, the county's attorney. Uh so, then there was some back and forth again on pricing. Uh Mark the All right, the commissioner said asked if the money could be taken from the

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register's technology fund. Uh the register There was some back and forth. You all were involved in this about where the money should come from. The register said that it could come from the county budget process or from D's excise. When the suggestion was made to take it

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from the tech fund, uh first assistant register Marguerite, who's here, said that it's it takes a while to request things from the tech fund. So, that if it was a matter of making things happen quickly that that might not be the best way to go.

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Um so that's the that's the very high level um timeline of what had happened. I do need to uh say that we just found out a few weeks ago that IBM has another price increase plan in July and even though I've been asking, I have not been able

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to get the price increase uh specifications yet. So the amount that we had asked for that we'd estimated after we heard that there was a price crease price increase in March, we said, "All right, well, let's take the maximum price increase to make

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this estimate for you. It may go up from there. We just don't know yet." So again, this uh the primary problem that we face now is that there are plenty of people who stay on an IBM server well past its end of service date. But what the issue is is

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that the longer you go, the more risk you take. Is it a high risk? No one could know. If something goes wrong with IBM, we have paid for maintenance. We renewed our maintenance and on May 23rd or 24th, I can't remember which of those two days. It actually goes and we're covered

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for at least a year. But if something goes wrong, this we're whatever it is now, 5 months over the end of service date, we might we should be able to find a part, say, but they're just not making new parts. So we'd have to find out

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where the part we could get. Uh we can get service on the thing, but you know, it's the longer the time goes, the harder it could be to get the IBM repair. So it's just an issue of time.

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Um um any questions I can answer for the commissioners, I'm happy to do so. >> All right, I have a question. So um >> Commissioner Colwell. >> So Sam, um we're in that uh IBM 9, right? Before to 7, now we have 9. So, what number are they pushing

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out now as their latest and greatest? >> So, they're the IBM 11, Power 11 is what we have recommended. >> So, that's and that's what we're recommending with with the software. >> follow the same path that Jim Limby had set and we don't want to go to the IBM Power 10, >> Cuz we want to we want to skip it.

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>> has gone to. We want to go on and we waited a little while to make sure that the Power 11 was a good viable platform that lots of people have gone on to and we checked with Brown Tech, they have no problem with their code being on the Power 11, even though they went to a Power 10, they said it's not a problem to go to Power 11. So, we waited a

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little while, that's why even though we were looking in the summer, we waited a few more months to make sure that everything was good. We were checking with IBM experts [clears throat] and IBM itself to make sure that that was a viable suggestion. >> Okay. So, we want to do that so that it lasts longer. So, we had the Power 9 for

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eight years? >> Wow. >> Seven or eight years. We want to have that Power 11 for a significantly long time like that as well. >> Okay, great. >> That was my question. Is this seven or eight years the life of this usually? >> Well, I mean, it's all depends on what you use it for. We don't um

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what the what the registry uses the IBM for. The IBM is a tremendous system for handling documents and com- having lots of them and being able to get them real fast. Um it's really good at that and that's what uh Brown Tech and that's what the registry needs is a system that can

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handle lots and lots of documents, millions of documents and get them real fast. So, the IBM does that and the IBM Power 11 and Power series is a great server for that. So, uh being able to have that for that long, we don't run other things on it. Well, we could, but we don't. So, yeah, it'll it'll have a

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long long series of long time if we get that machine. >> Okay. How long has this existed? How long has this I'm looking at the So, at the act creating it. Uh chapter 36, section 41. And

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And this is what I want to hear about. All right. Part 1, title 3, chapter 29. And there's no date on it. I mean, how I've I've heard you know, I've heard this term you got to in the in the from the recent past. >> Is it How long has this been around? The

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technology funding, I mean. >> Uh I don't know enough about it to answer that, but I'm sure the webmaster or Margaret can tell you about it. >> There's a date on here. Let me see. >> That's the strong line. >> Huh? >> That's the strong line. NGO. >> Yeah, that's the This is the family, right? Surely.

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Uh the whole the whole Not a subject that would I normally would not be this That's the language. However, I did read this and I I've kept caught up with all our memos and

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and the back and forth. >> Most cameras may I ask >> Go ahead, Richard. >> That's what you question. Who is the chair? What was the last time like this was done like >> You did an upgrade? >> Yeah, upgrade. >> 2019. >> 2019, okay. Okay. >> That's when they went from the 7 to the

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9. >> So, it's been like 7 years. >> Yeah. >> But yeah. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> That's a good >> So, you're not doing it every year. >> No, no, no. This These These are These are big machines. They don't need to be replaced that long. And again, it's because Jim had decided we're not going

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to go from the 7 to the 8. We're going to be go to the 9. You get a longer lifespan out of it. So, that's We think that's a good approach. >> Mhm. So, conceivably it's possible that we did the upgrade, it could be good for another, say, 4 years.

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>> It should be longer. Yeah. >> Could be longer. Okay. >> Um the There's another option which we started to look into. Instead of having a server in the data center, you can use the cloud, but we haven't done enough research on that to propose that yet. And there's advantages to that, but

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there's disadvantages. You know, it conceptually there might be more advantages, but it's more expensive and we haven't we're not ready to propose that yet. >> Okay. >> But these these IBM machines are top of the line. This is uh Yeah, you don't get for what the

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registry needs and what the registry does, there's no better server than an IBM machine. >> Okay. Do the competitors do the exact same thing? >> There are there are >> [clears throat and cough] >> Excuse me, there are servers and competitors that can handle documents,

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but the IBM has decades and decades of experience doing this. The support is there. Um there is no there is no better program out there right now that is optimized as BrownTech, and BrownTech runs on IBM. So, this is the right way to go. >> You're the expert.

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>> Yeah. >> Okay. Any other questions or Sam, you don't have Register. Thanks, Sam. >> Thank you, Sam. >> No, no, no, Sam, don't leave. >> He left. >> No, he didn't.

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>> Yeah. >> Oh, thanks, today. >> You want to help >> That's all right. Thank you. I appreciate >> And I feel those are stories of us in the wrong way. Yeah. >> Did you hear me, Neil? >> Oh, it's my fault. >> He said it softly, I heard.

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>> Oh, I'm kidding. It's it's my fault. Well, I I appreciate the invitation over it. From my perspective, we we certainly have a problem. I think it's pretty serious problem and it needs some urgency in fixing the problem. Um

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you know, part of being over here, you know, the registry wants to work to fix the problem, crisis. I call it a crisis because you know, I I I I heard it outlined um but I want to be clear when the registry had their own registry IT department and

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it was a direct reporting you know, we know what happened to that. Uh it never got to a point that we reached an end-of-service state. Upgrades were always done timely. We never reached an end-of-service state. And that to me, you know, you know, we

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got to solve the problem, but I'm trying to understand you know, how it got to be an end-of-service state because it's never happened, never happened uh certainly during my tenure and I don't recall it ever happening under Paul Harold or or uh

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the Barry Hands uh tenure as registers. So, you know, you know, through through the chair, I mean, I I have a question like how did we get to the end-of-service state cuz my understanding uh is that, you know, the Deputy County

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Chief Information Officer Dan Capra monitors licensing agreements and and maintenance operations, the dates and and and things like like this. Again, um we don't have it's great uh communication as as I think we should or

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at least how we had it when there was a direct report registry IT department. But how was this uh if if these dates are being monitored, how did this end-of-service state to the IBM server come about? >> I don't have to turn my phone on so you

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would have to let me know, guys. >> At least you're honest about it, Peter. >> Um No, you got me. It's it's >> Yeah, do you have a solution? >> Yes, I do. >> So, this particular end-of-service date was a little bit buried by IBM. So, it didn't come out through the

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normal channels and we found out about it late, as I explained. So, then we researched to try to find out as soon as we found out about it, we started figuring out what the best way to do it was and then when we had a good solution, we let you know about it.

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Thank you. >> But with the end of service, so on on one hand, that's again, I'll I'll be very clear. The prior iterations of this IBM server, it never got to an end of service date.

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So, we got to correct that because um it's never happened before and this IBM server is integral operations, not just registry operations, the revenues they get collected benefit not just the county, the state and also they're reporting in the

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documents. But uh you know, the chair and again, I'm I hear what you said, Peter, about you know, it's not directed at you, but it's just thrown out there. When was the first you know, if IBM buried it, when was their first notice

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that you better be aware that this January 31st, 2026 end date is coming. >> Do [clears throat] we want to go over every detail? I can supply all this information. Is that the purpose of this meeting? Or should the registrar and I have an off off

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uh off feed meeting to go over all of this information. [laughter] That's up to you, commissioners. Is the point to disparage the IT department or is the point to get to the solve the crisis? >> The point is to solve the crisis, but I'm also trying to understand how the

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crisis happened because if the IBM put out the information in September of 2024 and you said it was buried, okay, maybe it was buried, but how do you not how does someone not pick that up, who's supposedly monitoring deeds?

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When did it not become Barrett's? >> We found out about it in the summer, but we found it on his blog. >> Summer of 2025, we found out about it. >> But IBM came out with it in September 2024, didn't it? >> When you look backwards, you can see that it was there, but it was not in the normal place. So again, Mr. Chairman, do

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you want to go over every particular here, is that the point of this meeting? >> I don't Well, I don't believe that that's the point because It's not that I guess the want to get into the minutiae. We've got to correct this, which we all agree. I'm

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reading the general law. I think it's a perfect place to start and and and and petition the the Secretary of State and or the state on how we can get these funds so we can keep going. And then if you in your

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spare time want to go back and list, I'm sure there's a voluminous emails and and other things back and forth. Let me hear them say, we're here to say today is there any reason we can't use this >> Apparently

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>> We can finance it. >> No, but so into again, there needs to be a sense of urgency. I know in in March when Sam had thrown out the need, you know, how you solve it money wise, the most

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immediate money wise situation was to either have it presented at a supplemental. We had over a million and a half dollars to through fiscal 26 at the time in March come through and I've never authorized the use of it. I

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said, we we could use the current deeds excise from the registry. Or the deeds excise amount and again, you know, just because it's being held in escrow doesn't mean it can't be used. There's There's $4.3 million and a court has already said that it was illegal

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for that money to be taken out of the D excise fund and a court said it was illegal it to prevent the registry from using it that it can't be used and taken by other entities. So, we could have used that or as

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you know, Sam's in charge of his budget said, you know, we don't know what the, you know, capital money is for the county or put in a a request and it Sam on April 8th cuz we came looking for money which we didn't get. Um,

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and again, we can't keep coming back. We came back in May thank Commissioner Stady for at least, you know, trying to get us more money just to finish the year. But when Sam was making his presentation on April 8th, Director Cronin said, "No, we're going to go through the tech fund." So, there there was a lot of

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jumping on off points to get this money in as soon as possible to address this. I can't I agree with you, Mr. Chair. This is a huge problem. It's never happened before at the registry. It's never gone to an end of service state and and again, to

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allow this to happen at such an integral you know, operational equipment, it it it it's it's it's just mismanagement. We got to solve it. So, to your point, I get your letter even though I think there was a motion made by

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Commissioner Stady seconded by Commissioner Cons on April 8th to have Director Cronin send a letter to me about the tech fund. He never sent the letter to me. You did on April 24th and you gave me till May 8th to to to to get get going.

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Um, and we did. We we've been we we've corresponded with the Secretary's office. They have some issues. There's been con- had know, conversations. So, we'll keep moving forward, but um, um there is kind of a you know,

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I'm trying to solve it. You know, uh I just just you know, uh I'm just trying to understand. I'm not I'm not having any answers as to well, okay Sam, well well here who monitors the dates because I was informed Deputy Chief Information Officer

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Caporale monitors all these end of service licensing agreements when contracts are expiring. Who Who monitors the IBM expiration date? >> I will do. >> Okay. >> Can I try your question? >> It's okay. >> You Commissioner So, Billy you said

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you've talked to the Secretary of State and about the technology fund >> Todd, I communicated with him. >> Okay, so have you uh filed a request to the Registers Technology Fund for the Registry IBM upgrade? >> No, I've I've I've written a letter to them, but um there's there's things that

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need to be looked at by them. One of it is just as you It's It's the Registers Technology Fund. I'm not the Secretary of State. So, you know, um there's there's an issue here. With great fanfare, you eliminated the Registry IT Department. Not going to

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relitigate that or re- debate it. Well, but it affects it, Peter. You asked for a question. You asked asked me a question. >> you're not answering the question. >> I Well, if you give me a chance to answer it, I will. It's It It's So, it's it's the it's they have to look at you're a county entity.

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So, they have issues they have to look at. I'm not the Secretary of State. I'm not their office. As far as I'm concerned, whatever role you know, once once they First of all, it's not as simple as County Director made it out, you know, oh you just apply for the tech fund. There's always some nuance here that I

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think you're you're But, I will answer the question. The issue is you have a county IT Department. And the money's is for the benefit of the Registry. Now, there are ben- I see benefits to fixing this problem. We have to fix this problem. It should never have gotten here.

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And I'm disappointed and and I appreciate Sam says it's it's the the county, you know, IT department, but let me tell you, the buck stops with county director Krummen who took over and supervised the upgrade. >> I'm going to ask my I'm going to ask my question again. >> Well, >> Here's my question. >> Okay.

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>> Do you intend to submit a request to the register's technology fund to pay for the registry IBM upgrade? >> Did you write that question? >> Right there. Yes or no. >> Oh, you want a yes or no question? >> Please. Yes. Do you intend to submit a request to the register's technology

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fund to pay for the registry IBM upgrade? >> talking to a person who when when we made a request for $35,000 misinformed the advisory board saying that we didn't provide information. >> is yes or no, register. Do you intend to submit >> Why would I

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>> a the registry IBM upgrade? >> think a yes or no is the way to get what you want, I'm I'm trying to tell you, we communicated with the >> [clears throat] >> secretary and I have no issues trying to solve this problem with tech fund money.

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But it's not my money to give out. So, we're working on it, Peter. It's not as simple as you said. And let me get this straight. You authorized we put a request in for for 35,000. We gave information and even an advisory board member when he was doing his math

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came up with 26,000, but we really gave information that we told you 30 and you come you come up with five. >> I've asked you the question three times. >> Yeah, well, >> You haven't answered yes or no. I think this is >> The intention >> I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to move that we ask that we move on to item

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eight, personnel matters. >> Well, >> If I could get a yes or no, >> Yeah, well, they they control it. They you've got no say in it. Come on, Commissioner State. >> I agree. >> Yeah, I think you do, but you know, let's let's >> End the debate. You have nothing to say. >> I'm just listening. >> Yeah, I'm listening. >> Good. >> So, what I'm hearing, okay? This is what

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I'm hearing. Uh we have an IT department that the county does run. Good or bad, right or wrong, we took that on as part of the Abraham report, as we recall. Back then, remember, I was one of the ones who said, "Let's go a little slower." Remember I said, "Maybe

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have a hybrid model." I said, "Let's do hybrid, kind of ease into it." But, we wanted to go faster, and that's the way it goes. So, all right, we moved on. I don't know if anyone had the vision to think about something like this when we

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put the consolidation of the of the IT into a department of Sam's. And I'm not trying to disparage Sam. I like Sam. I like all the people here. I like you. I do. We might have a disagreement, but I know deep down there's a good Billy O'Donnell. He's there, all right? So, just listen for a second. For the good

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of the county, just listen. >> Just because I filed suit against you doesn't make me bad. >> And I'm not saying it go away. So, you said you wrote to the Secretary of State, right? Okay. So, my question would have been first, if I may, when did you write? Can you give me a date on it?

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>> I've communicated in a couple of days. No, it was in May 7th was the first communication, and there's been communication since. And there was also communication relative that hey, this meeting's coming up. We got to solve this problem. So, so we're working on that. It's not a yes or

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no question, which is to me a a poor way of doing things. >> that letter, was it to say to the Secretary of State, "We have a problem in the county. It's not It's not per se registry money, but it is an It's an IT issue. Can the funds be used?" Is that something he

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needs to get counsel? Are they Say, are we getting the auditor involved? Are we going to have you know, I mean, what what >> That's that's up up to them. I I'm not the Secretary of State. I'm sure there's there's always legal ramifications on any request because this is so unique.

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For better or worse and and again respectfully in December of 2021, we did bring up that if we're going to do consolidation, just you got to watch the IBM servers. It's the most important thing. It was brought up. But respectfully, um it's unique because other registries

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have IT departments, have their own on-site direct report to the register IT departments. So this is unique in in the sense that we're a registry that doesn't. Um but to me, the problem needs to be solved. I think the problem could have been solved

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quickly, more quickly back in March when Sam broached what about money? We gave our possible solutions cuz the money was there. During fiscal 26, we had collected millions of dollars the registry share, which I know doesn't get respected by

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some people at the county, but there was money there. There was money in the deeds excise fund that 4.2 million dollars that's been, you know, taken out of the deeds excise fund and put in another account. We could have grabbed the 215,000 or or if it's more money as

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Sam says now then. And then Sam on April 8th was trying to solve the problem. He was in in here making a presentation to you that he needed money. And it got it it it didn't happen. The county director recommended that we go with the

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tech funds. So yeah. >> The taking the money out of that money that's been parked probably is uh what's the right word here? Uh not debatable. Trying to think of the word but but because it's under a lawsuit, we we're not allowed to touch it. We may not be allowed to touch it. That's just

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just a park that over here for a minute. Just for a minute. So what I was thinking was if you wrote to Secretary of State, would it hurt if we wrote also to Secretary of State in conjunction with register's letter saying we have an issue, we have a problem, we need to access these funds. Although technically

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reading the statute, it looks like for the registry of deeds, but this is going to be for registry of deeds. Which is we'd be writing a letter in conjunction with him. What's the harm in doing that? >> I'm going to none, but you may not give me an answer but you might you may not. >> I'm not sure that I'll let you.

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>> I would say >> We're trying to develop a framework to solve this. >> So you wrote >> Not a yes or no, Peter. You don't like you want yes or no. It's a framework to try to get this thing solved. I I I you know, I would actually say there's more urgency. I know Sam did touch on it. The longer you let

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this thing go, this isn't fine wine. It's not going to get better. It potentially it's we've never reached an end of service and maybe you paid extra money to get extra maintenance, but you're not getting We don't get patches, right? Or do we now?

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>> No. >> No, we don't get patches. That's a security aspect. Not just to the money we collect, but you know, I'm afraid the documents have integrity people's homes. We have to protect the records of the The IBM is is very involved.

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>> it and I I I I I understand it totally. >> Could we would it be appropriate for us to get a a copy of your letter or just something that you sent so that we could say in support of registry of deeds. I I >> We have something >> what what I I forwarded what

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uh Commissioner Shea had sent to me on the 20 on the 24th. >> Thursday? >> I I forwarded it. Now, it you know, it it raises questions. And also, you know, you know, you have a yes or no thing. I'll I'll frame it yes or no. Can we be

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Can we have a meeting when Director Cronin is here because of all the dates I gave him to meet, I find it, you know, disappointing that he's not here cuz he's in charge of the in chief informa- the the information technology. The buck should stop with him and he should

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answer some of these questions. I I respect Sam. I respect that he's, you know, coming here saying the IT should have watched it, but you know, I just find it of all the dates that were given the county director is not here. >> speak to that. I don't want to get into

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that. You have Bill Buckley here. She >> Well, then we'll yeah. >> Bill is is fine. >> That is paramount. Yes, I'm going to say that every time. >> But anyway, listen, I think the the we're both kind of saying in a way that there is an issue here. And

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turning away what Barry has to say is not going to solve it. Samson is a problem. The register of deeds is not a problem. We've got to solve it. The way to do it, I would say first step, draft a letter, get a secretary of state, let them know we've got a problem. Second thing, follow up with that if we can. And then

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start thinking about some alternative. We've got to find some way to get some money for this. We can't kill it going to unattended. >> Mr. Chair. >> Right, and I Okay, go ahead, Bill. >> Uh no, if you want I'll Well, >> Go ahead. >> I'll assistant director Buckley acting and director today.

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Um I I think you know, there's there's going to be a good deal of discussion here and and it's one that's heartening that you from my perspective you're all rowing in the same direction. Like we understand the things to be remedied. We know that you've used tech funds in the in the the previous iteration to do the

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IBM upgrade and we know it's a it's a mechanism legislatively created to address the IBM servers completely utilized by the register of deeds. We know the secretary of state has great people on their staff and is fully aware of this issue because of initial letters

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I think it would be. If we're talking about how to address and remedy the situation as fast as possible, I I think it would be great if the register put in a tech fund request, you guys uh put in a letter supporting that. And I mean I I think it

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um given the nature of what we just talked about, I would knowing the the secretary of state staff, I would assume they would act very quickly on it. It would help a great deal, Bill, if you put a letter in and then we back it up with our own letter. And that would at least get the

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process rolling at Secretary of State. I respect the points you made, and I understand things get maybe overlooked, maybe they don't. Things get maybe there are flags that aren't paid attention to, I don't know. But that's not going to solve. We

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can't go back. We're here in June. What's today? June 17th? You know, I mean, we got to get this thing squared away. You know, and you've got a fund you can access. And it And it'd be great if you could do that. >> May I suggest that we sit down with Sam because

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these processes in the past no one's asked our my input or you know, we're frozen out. But we did it in 2019. We did it in 2011. We've had other upgrades that have been successful. Um those processes we started like 2 years

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out. So, we got a lot of work to do. So, you know, I saw what was written you know, by Commissioner Shea that was forwarded to to the Secretary's office. We need to get more details like, you know, you know, the

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the devil's in the details. So, you know, it's not just a matter of writing a letter. It's also you know, making sure everything you know, what's the program? Who's been talked to? What vendors have been talked to to solve this problem? What is the details? What is their recommendation? You know, um

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and we said you know, we got to also make sure that other vendors that the the stakeholders have a say. So, um >> I think I got to We got to sit down with the red throw and go what else kind of thing? >> When I sent the memo in January, I was open the entire time for conversations

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rather than aspersions of blame, and I stand open at the same time. >> if we want to go down there, this should have been updated back in September uh planning should have started in September 24, but there's again been misplaced priorities. If if we were

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running the registry IT department, we would have been on it cuz we were on it every time. We started this. You keep invoking Jim Linnehan's name. Jim Linnehan would never let it reach an end of service date. And the only reason he went two series up is because we were implementing it before any expiration

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date. So, I'm not here to cast it anything dispersions. Just own up to the fact that the ball was dropped and there were misplaced priorities. And I'm not blaming you. That's why I want Director Cronin here because while you're

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relocating our disaster recovery office, that was a big priority uh back in 2024, you should have been planning for this. While you're opening a disaster recovery office in Walpole with no certificate of occupancy, you should have been planning

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for this. So, you know, if if if people don't like what's being said, it's because I don't like the fact that we run the registry, but we don't run the registry. We're at the mercy of of other people. And um as Paul Newman said in The Verdict when the judge was trying his cases and

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asking questions, Paul Newman, who's the lawyer in The Verdict, went up to the judge and said, "If you're going to try my case, judge, don't lose it for me. If you're going to try to run the registry, don't run it into the ground." Great movie. >> It was a great movie. >> Look, a little before my time.

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>> What's good movie. >> Crisis, call it anything you want, call it what we said, call it the the the merge, which took too long to. And you know, maybe Sam doesn't have as much registry of deeds expertise as cuz it's kind of a

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specialty. There are other people there. What's What's the difference? If there This clearly sounds like it would be helpful if we had this money to draw on. I have two questions. We can only go to a certain point

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because we can't sit around just cuz we haven't heard from Bill Gale. Especially in an election year. And if we're not going to use this, we'll put this down and then keep all this background, but we got to bird dog everyone to say how we doing. We got to do it if it's a

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crisis, cuz you don't want to wake up and you know, have it not functioning. >> I'll renew my conversations with the person that we deal with who's the director of the registries and we'll go from there. And again, I appreciate what Sam's doing and he he know he may be a little sensitive on it, but Sam's out

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running the go you know, IT stuff at the golf course here, the Aggie school. I'm more disappointed in the people who are supposed to be watching the registry infrastructure under their IT command. And that's why I asked the question, if I had the information

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wrong, how come they missed it? I mean, you know, and and and you know, you could say the buck stops with Sam or the buck stops with County Director Cronin. So the question >> Questions. >> But in fairness to Sam, the people that are that are a person that's supposed to be watching

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the registry IT should you know, >> This this is >> She She Three Three, Mr. Chair, if I >> This is over. >> Respectfully, obviously, we have you have timeline before you to packet. Um the register has different read on that timeline. That's not going to

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effectuate a good outcome through this idea of upgrade continuing to re-litigate it despite the fact that we did have many opportunities for meetings. I think it it's heartening to hear that the register wants to re-engage I'm assuming with Director [clears throat] McCarthy up at the Secretary of State's office. I would

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think a request to fund this in would be acted upon in short order by the Secretary's staff given the nature of this integral part of the registry. So I think it sounds like the three commissioners have are wholeheartedly in support of any application for deeds excise funds.

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>> Yeah. >> Not deep. >> No, not that. IT >> I technology funds. >> So good. >> I think uh perhaps if the register wants to circle back, we can put this on the agenda next week. If you want to speak to your counterpart secretary of the

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Commonwealth's office and then develop a uh a request for tech funds. >> I'm sure this >> I would like to make it next week. We'll be in on it right away. Have you spoken to Mr. McCarthy or anyone from the secretary's office? >> Uh not on this one. >> I'm sorry, I'm not agreeing.

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Do you have a question? >> No, I don't. >> Okay. Okay. >> All right, so where where we leave it? We're going to continue this maybe next week. We're down to the deadline. Mr. O'Donnell has agreed to perhaps reach out again.

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>> Oh, I I have no problem. I mean I I sent the letter yesterday. I mean, you know, I sent the letter yesterday. You know, to you know, >> So, what do we do? Are we are we are we >> We can make a motion. What do you want to do? >> I haven't agreed. >> I I don't want to

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>> Thank you, Bill. >> Yeah, thank you. >> Now that we all know we have a crisis, I don't want to let it just linger. >> I would get uh I mean >> I can come in in September and say, "Yeah, I don't know what to do about this today." >> I agree, Mr. Chairman. I think the process would be uh in my understanding

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that the register would have to submit a request for funds from the tech funds. So, if the register reaches out to the secretary of the Commonwealth's office, we can wait to hear back from him when uh he has gotten enough information. If he decides to move forward with uh tech fund application, I'm sure at the next

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available meeting, the body will jump on >> I mean, we can send a letter. I mean, I felt we know doing >> I I would think we would wait until >> Yeah, talk to your counterparts. >> All right. >> I see. We're trying to develop a framework. Uh we you know, I already raised questions about the details that

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you need to to put everything in place to make sure you have enough money and all that stuff and and what's going in, what vendors are. So, you know, we move forward, but also the the state secretary has a role in this thing. >> Of course, but but the role is the

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is often and you've been quite successful in getting money from the tech funds. One would assume that once you get in a dialogue with them, he's not going to hold it up for this purpose. I I mean, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt cuz I I >> I Again, I can't speak for the secretary, but remember all those other

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requests that as you point out, I've been quite successful at. Um, A, they don't happen overnight. There's planning with it, there's detail, there's thoroughness, and it's not just the secretary. You got to deal with the IT at the state level and and then and then get to the state legislature and

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get to the the ways and means, all that stuff. So, it's a process. But at the same time, you know, the What makes this unique is those other times that I've requested tech fund monies is we had a registry IT department.

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I'm not I wasn't requesting money from anybody else but the registry IT department in the registry. That's it. Again, you're you're right. You They may not see that or maybe they do because I I I haven't heard, you know, heard back on on that issue and and hopefully it

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isn't an issue in in the sense that you know, it's for the benefit. I I disagree with I think it was Commissioner Collins who was echoing what Director Cronin had said that it's 100%. This is 100% on the registry. I mean, everyone benefits from it. Uh, the

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state benefits from it, the county benefits from the operations that the IBM. >> It's Well, the operations themselves are all registry operations. There's no The registry doesn't have like weights and measures or >> Yeah, and and and and that's that's why

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I see a a pathway to getting this thing I can't say it anymore. It's It's a It's a crisis. It's an epic failure in my opinion. Should never have happened. That being said, it has to get solved. And you know, I I hear what you're

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saying. I I just you know, it's kind of ironic that you know, it's probably more than 250,000 or a quarter of a million dollars you're looking for me to help get get money, and I'm happy to do it. But when my Whitley and myself come over here with

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$178 in our account for printing and and and ask for a mere 35 and we had backed up data to show what we needed, contrary to what was said, and give us five. I just I just want to understand that because to me

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it it seems like what what what do they say in my neighborhood? You know, it seems like that's a They have names for that, you know, people like that. One-way one-way streets. >> Life is full of ironies. >> Isn't it? It is kind of ironic. But we move forward and and we're going to solve the problem. >> All right. >> We're going to work on this one.

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Exactly. >> Let's get the problem solved. We have to do that for the good for public good as well, so we know we have to do. All right. >> Okay, we're going to work together here to get this solved. >> Well, I guess we'll wait to get back from your efforts and if you we're happy to advocate as well in the sector's office.

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Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Good to see you. >> Nice. See you again. >> Take it easy, have a Really good luck this afternoon. I'm going to try to come over. I don't know if I'll make it though. All right. >> Item number eight. Personnel matters for consideration.

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>> Through Mr. Chairman, a number of personnel matters including the gentleman we just heard from a few moments ago, Mr. Richard Piccinetti, who who you will appoint deputy facilities director on the next page.

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>> Wait, um So, going over going down the list >> over the list here going down the list. >> We're going to introduce him. >> I've got We're we're jumping around again. All right. >> Right. >> I'm going to move forward quickly as I can here with respect to individuals. We have the Walter Recreational Facility. I'll move I notice a contingent employment for Brendan Curran

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as a seasonal golf associate rate stated effective date 6 18 26. So moved. >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded. All in favor? >> Aye. >> It is a vote. >> And we notice a contingent with John Sassi as a seasonal golf associate at the rate stated effective date 6 12 26. So moved.

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>> Second. >> Motion made and seconded. All in favor? >> Aye. >> It is a vote. >> All right. Nassau County Agricultural High School, uh I have two notice of job changes. First, Release Indressano as a student summer camp at the rate stated effective 7

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7 6 26. Same thing for Claudia Chambat and that is for the rate stated 7 6 26. I'll move those together. As a motion. So moved. >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded. All in favor? >> Aye. >> It is a vote. >> All right. I have three I'm going to take together for notice of rehire.

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Uh first, Grace Cunningham. Second, Julia Sennett. And third, Paige Snyder. They're all for the uh student at summer camps and the effective date for them is 7 6 26. So moved. >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded. All in favor? >> Aye. >> It is a vote.

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>> Yeah. And the next group is four I'm going to take together. Notice of contingent employment for Dahila Young Schuster, Mia Rossi, Olivia Amhoff, and Edward Martin Jr. Again, these are three of them are student

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summer camp, one is student labor. The rate is stated and the date of effective date for the uh student summer camps is 7 6 26. For Mr. Martin Jr. it's 7 6 26 7 6 26. So moved.

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Second. >> Motion made and seconded. >> all in favor. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> We have made a motion to make a motion of uh Richard Ginnetti as Deputy Facility Director at the Race Dated. The

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effective date is 6 17 28, that's today. So moved, second. >> Motion made and seconded, all in favor. >> Aye. >> Aye. >> And the other one is the notice of termination of Kevin Mason as Carpenter. And uh that was effective date 6 14 26.

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So moved, second. >> Motion Motion made and seconded, all in favor. >> Aye. >> Would you like to push it? >> Last week. >> Okay, you just came in the >> All right. >> All right. >> Payroll and expense warrant. I think it made it over to you. >> There you go.

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>> Yeah, got it. Mr. Chairman, will [clears throat] you read the warrant list? >> I do. >> Okay. Warrant list >> Wait, we're not going to do the second termination or the first termination? >> No, we did the termination. >> I did? Didn't I say that? >> Yep. >> We did it. All set. There's only one. >> Okay. >> All right. Payroll and expense, Mr.

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Chairman, uh please read the following for approval for the warrant list of 6 17 26. Now we have five of them all together. First one, we'll approve the payroll of the county 26-50.2 the sum $1,421.50.

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So moved, second. >> Motion made and seconded, all in favor. >> Aye. >> It is a vote. >> Thanks. >> Second. >> And we'll approve the prior payroll of the county 26-50 the sum $152,316.06. So moved, second. >> Motion made and seconded, all in favor.

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>> Aye. >> It is a vote. >> Third, annual approval of sales tax at the golf course [clears throat] on 6 15 26 uh for the sum $3,907.77. So moved, second. >> Motion made and seconded, all in favor. >> Aye. >> It is a vote.

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>> Next item of expense for the county uh line CTY 60326 for the first of the county in the sum $97,056. So moved. >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded all in favor. >> Aye. >> It is a vote.

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>> And last item, expense for the county uh 060326A the sum $2,148.56. So moved. >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded all in favor. >> Aye. >> That concludes that.

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>> Thank you. Payroll expense for the second concludes that, right? >> Yes, all done. >> Number 10, fiscal 26 year-end department transfer. >> Uh again, Mr. Chairman, this is that staff number as it is. Uh we'll put that on next week's agenda.

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>> Motion Motion >> To table. >> To table. >> For next week. >> Seconded. >> I'll second it, yeah. >> All in favor. All in favor. >> Aye. >> That item is tabled. Next. Number 11. Inter municipal agreement between the

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town of Norfolk and the county of Norfolk for weights and measures inspections for fiscal year 2017-2019. Follow bill. >> I make a motion. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Relentless uh push across the county for weights and

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measures uh expansion has I had another fruitful um campaign in the town of North Fork, as they pronounce it. Um out there we had a great meeting with the select board on Monday night. They

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were very enthusiastic not only about joining weights and measures because we made them a deal, um but also about trying to dialogue with us about for additional things they can do with us as a county. I think there's a lot of interest among the managers and the

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electives on various boards, especially in the western part of the county where the communities are sort of smaller, to work collectively. So, I think the level of dialogue is going up in this regional space, which is exciting. As I told you, we have a few towns we're chasing. There's another

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middle-size town where we we're hearing rumblings about a retirement of the sealer of weights and measures, so we're chasing them aggressively as well. But, we're very glad to have the Norfolk um IMA before you. It is identical to the IMAs from Needham and

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Franklin, except for the time. The it's a 3-year contract, and the price is a little lower as there are not that many actual devices. They have no supermarkets. They only have two gas stations. They have a little market, Donna Anna's, which is very nice. It's in the old Tyler's building. I date

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myself. Um But, with that, yeah, we had a great um great meeting with them, and it's before you, and we'll begin July 1 with the agreement. Yeah. How do you feel about coming to Norfolk? >> Very exciting. >> All right. >> Yeah, it's the seventh seventh town, so

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>> Seventh town, I'm sure it is. >> He goes through it to get to Wrentham from >> Yeah, so yes. >> It's not too bad, but you know, >> We wait. >> We're on the way today, yeah. >> Yeah, I mean, Garelick Farms in Franklin, so it's exciting. Yeah, having another town is good. >> Any gas at a gas pump that you've autographed? >> Thank you.

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>> I look for that sealer everywhere I go. I love seeing that Norfolk County sealer, you know, it's a great thing. >> Thank you. >> We love being the forward face of the county. >> Yeah, it's great, you know. >> Do we need to vote this, Mr. Chairman? >> I I >> Accepted or >> Uh >> Is it >> The vote we need to authorize the county

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director to sign on your behalf. >> That's what I thought. Okay. >> We'll be starting July 1. >> Sounds good. Appreciate it. >> I move that uh yeah, I'm pleased to move that we authorize uh John Cronin as our count as our county director to enter into an intermunicipal agreement between the town of Norfolk

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and the county of Norfolk uh for weights and measures for fiscal years '27 to '29. So, move. Second. >> Motion made and seconded. Did all in favor? >> Aye. >> It is a vote. >> Wonderful. >> Thank you. Thank you. Great work. Great >> See you. >> I thank you as well. >> Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Thank you. >> Thanks, Sam. Thanks, Bill. >> Chairman. I'll make a report report from the procurement department on any bid openings in contracts awards. >> Maureen. >> Yes. >> All right. >> So. >> Hello.

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>> Hello there. Um >> What do we have today? >> Patrick Higgins of our engineering department has come with me come before me to request um permission to enter into contract with Cheegan Bond who offers GIS

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through geographical info systems um mapping things like that for their department and also provide some training for them. So, he has an agreement from them and a price of not to exceed $9,900.

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>> And you're recommending that? >> I do recommend it. Yeah, I did look it over and um they seem to be a leader in the field and will do remote training. >> Training blind? >> Yeah. >> Mhm. >> I've seen them around. >> Yeah. >> We've been at conferences you see them, you know. >> They're huge in the eastern end of the

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county and actually when it comes to seawalls >> That's great. >> They've been in Quincy for 20 years. >> Yeah, put them in Worcester in the past, too. >> So, what are they going to be training Patrick's staff on? >> Yes, and setting up some mapping. They have that expertise to set up maps and install them and

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manipulate the data for Patrick and his staff who will also learn how to do that. >> Great. >> Yeah. >> And it's a contract this for a year, right? >> Um there really is it supposed to be done within 6 weeks. >> 6 weeks, okay. >> But, um, yeah, they should get their training in shortly.

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>> I move to approve the contract with Tata & Howard. Provide GIS GIS map development configuration training services and related uh information and training to our uh engineering department with fees that not to exceed 9,900. Uh, and as outlined

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in this document contained herein recommended by our purchasing department. So, move second. >> What you mean to second? >> All in favor. >> Aye. >> Thank you. >> And you want to sign this, is that it? >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. Okay, we're working Yeah, you just see the when you go to conferences sometimes you see >> Yeah. >> Yeah, good to know. Great. Where are they at? Where Where is Tata & Howard? Do you know? Where is their corporate headquarters over there? >> I'm sure I don't know where they're

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from. They have a big presence in Worcester, but I'm not really sure where they're from. >> For Tata & Howard? Yeah, where are they from, do you know? >> The local office is in Worcester. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> How you doing, Commissioner? >> Next is the Department of Public Works

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to Joe request for survey services for the town of Dover. >> I have a copy here of the letter. >> Oh, okay. Right. What's that about? What is that? >> Safe Safe Routes to It's uh Safe Routes to School. So, they uh the town of Dover

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is the Dover-Sherborn uh middle school and high school entrance on Farm Street. It's all in Dover, located in Dover, Mass. Um, it's a regional school. But, uh it's from the front entrance to the school uh uh safe safe access out to the main road

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right out front on Farm Road with a crossing uh to connect to other uh sidewalks. So, we'd be providing the base mapping uh for to go out to design. They're looking for grant funding through safe routes to school. >> It's pretty uh large program nationally that

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um allows for the building of sidewalks and crosswalks and things like that to make it to encourage more students in the area of a school to walk to school. >> So, just a question. I mean, it's just ironic. We just signed a contract with Tighe & Bond. Is that related to this or is this something different?

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>> No, that's a separate issue. I can speak to that. That that that was for the um through the state contract. The state already put out the bid uh contracts for um IT project services and geographic information systems. >> Yep.

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>> And then from that there's approved vendors from the state contract list. So, I went to that contract list, put out a request for price quotes, and Tighe & Bond um seemed to be the most responsive uh and and act you know, re- reasonable price that we got back. And then they've

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already been vetted out by the through the state contract. And so, we didn't have to put out the bid. And then with that, we're going to create a new GIS map like the map we have with the colony that you see in the main foyer area of the administration. That's just uh a PDF print. This is

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going to be more of the There's new software. And the software we had was antiquated and outdated. So, we're moving to a new platform with the GIS software and we need training on it. And they're going to help us recreate the new map using the current data that is available at MassGIS, MassDOT, MassDEP.

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And and and it's going to have a all the towns in it and it's going to have a functionality moving forward that we we hope to um grow as time goes on. >> Well, new map will have new photos, right? >> Well, that's yep. So, they Let's get the

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map done first. >> [laughter] >> No, but that that that service of that is different from this. Is that >> Yes, completely separate. Yep. So, >> I think we should build on the base plan tool up. It'll probably give them the better shot at it. Good plan.

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>> One of the first projects will be to create a map that depicts all the towns that have weights and measures programs. >> Oh. All right. >> How's that? >> Great idea. I don't know where you got it. >> I I I I think I got that from somebody sitting at the table.

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>> Brilliant. >> We need a motion to approve. >> Yeah. >> All right. I move that we approve uh the request of the town of Dover, right? Uh that has sought uh from the commissioner's office engineering department for them to perform a topo

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detail surveys uh both on site and along roadway related work as outlined. And uh it's effective this day. I I move that it's approval. >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded on providing engineering assistance to town of Dover.

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All in favor. >> I. >> Okay. >> I would date that today. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Thank you, commissioners. >> Thank you. We'll wait to sign that one. >> That's being signed. Thank you. >> Thank you.

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>> Report of the county director. >> Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Just a few things. We are now about 6 months towards the end of ARPA. >> Right. >> Everything needs to be fully spent. So, we're working with >> Right. >> uh our vendor CLA

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to really close out all of the grants. There's about the 10 towns that are completely done. They've spent every cent. They filled out every form. They've done all the monitoring. Um and they they're put to bed. And there's another 2/3. About a third of them have one project that's still

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active. Uh and about a third have uh more than one project that's still active. So, we're beginning to institute sort of check-ins with these towns and their and their staff to see where they are um and to move the ball forward there. So, obviously, what we don't want is to be chasing

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people at Christmas time, for sure. So, we will be [clears throat] much more deliberate in the future. We've had initial conversations with some folks. Getting people a lot of Some of them are just as simple as checking the this project is complete box. >> Yeah. >> Um and just to kind of put them to bed. So, we're beginning that process.

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That'll go on throughout the summer. >> Mhm. >> Um and we'll probably be updating you as we move forward. Uh I would I think we'll we will be in very good shape around the end of the summer as well. >> Are we getting any uh >> I'm sorry, Mr. Chairman. May I ask a question?

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>> Yes, sure. >> Are we getting any money back? >> Well, we're we're tracking that now. A lot of it is um they have to declare that they they don't need it for the project. So, that's why they're kind of, "Hey, are you done? Have you spent it all?" That's where that um that money comes >> Can we Are we still able, if that's

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possible, to shift it to another town? If they have They have an If they have an application >> Okay. >> So, >> Um >> So, that process will go forward. Obviously, we're working with the measures and engineering are doing some great things in the regional service. Um

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and they have a big business summer of work ahead of them as well. Um other things, uh we'll just announce I think we're we're looking to put some flags out in buildings around the 4th. We can spruce it up a little um given

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it's the 700th anniversary of the nation. Um I don't John will probably have more. Um I would point out that uh in this office, uh we are uh we have amongst ourselves we're collecting money um for the uh James Quigley GoFundMe for

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the uh Officer Dooley, who was a fallen police officer who passed away. >> That's one of them from Kansas, originally. >> Right here. Uh I know you're probably going to um No, John and his honor today, but um we had a We had an officer trying to uh put

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something together for that. Yeah. Uh other than that, I don't have anything else. So we're >> that for us to see if >> Questions for them. Yeah. We'll do that. As you know, it's it's we're approaching fiscal new year, so all many of

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your staff are hard at work including Maureen and her team and and Phil and and the other department heads Sam to make sure we close everything out with their what we need to reserve and go through this sort of annual process in the start of the year. Yes.

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>> Quick question. Quickly. Needham, Westwood, Franklin, Canton, Am I missing one? Needham, I have to do I have to think of a map in my head. Needham, Westwood, yeah, Dedham, oh, Canton. >> Oh, Dedham? Yeah.

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>> Okay, that's Wrentham, Franklin, Norfolk. Okay, 1 2 3 [clears throat] 4 5 6 7. Okay. And >> And a few others were working with >> When are they coming on board? >> Yeah, a lot of them a couple of them may end up on contracts

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at the end of the calendar year with the state and uh No, no, there's um You know, we we have had some dialogue there but some interested parties outside of the county but it's important as we keep telling the managers we have space to take you

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if you're county your county community and I know um some of the larger communities in the eastern part of the county have had some turnover but we're just monitoring that and in the event a community finds themselves in a tight spot and needs

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someone someone goes out on um on a leave, we can we can [clears throat] slide in and help them too, which is really good. And that's all I have. >> Okay, do we have anything further for director? >> Do we have meeting on >> Fourth plain?

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>> Yeah, we need to get a meeting with Westwood. >> And then we have item 15 showed that the emergency >> Correct. >> Oh, yeah. >> Um >> Yeah. >> I have just two things. One very sad. Uh >> Oh. >> I wish I hope

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that we can come up with a date for the summer schedule by next week. >> Mhm. >> And give people notice. And that's time minor. Uh >> But before we adjourn, I want to uh bring up a sad case here.

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Um Dedham police officer Quigley Quigley passed away from cancer this past week. Uh That died last Friday after a long battle with cancer. He joined the Dedham Police Department in 2015 as a patrol

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officer, was promoted to detective after 2 years. Spent several years conducting drowning investigations, which require advanced training and knowledge. In August '22 Quigley was promoted to sergeant in the Dedham Police Department.

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The We proudly He proudly served as an advocate for domestic violence victims while leading the effort to develop a program for law enforcement officers to support victims.

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So, the Sergeant Quigley uh is the father of two children. And Dedham has been so been grieving his death for the past week. So, we want to join with the town in uh honoring the Quigley family. So, we're

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going to adjourn this meeting >> I believe we have one more thing to do >> in his memory, huh? >> Yeah, we have one more thing to do under that item. >> We do. >> Yes. Uh three, Mr. Chair. >> not going to forget. >> Um I would make a recommendation to the board

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uh accept the blue papers for Laura Dutton to be uh promoted to the position of head administrative clerk and Ms. Janice Cahill to move into the position of land court administrator. So, the blue papers given to us.

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That ends. >> I'll move >> Okay, motion second. Motion for motion of Laura Dutton. >> And Janice Cahill. >> As a head administrative clerk position of Janice.

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Motion accepted. Uh On the motion, please. Yes? >> Yes. >> Yes. >> Unanimous, okay. There's one. Number two, right? >> They should go together. >> That's That's number two. >> Oh, oh. >> You get the old one there, too.

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Be careful with that old one. >> Right. >> Second promotion to registry, Janice Cahill of Foxboro, Mass. has been promoted to land admin- land court administrator. And then I'm going to sign the

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papers today. All in favor, aye. >> Aye. >> Hey. >> Yep. Next giant step. >> Hand those over. >> Adjourning in memory of in memory of >> In memory of >> Move to adjourn. >> Mr. Chairman, I will be adjourning in

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memory of >> Chairman, Sergeant Jim Quigley. >> Sergeant Jim Quigley. >> Chairman, release. >> Time was 3:05. >> Second. >> Motion made and seconded. All in favor. >> Aye. >> We are adjourned. Thank you very much.