Good evening. This is the Norfolk Conservation Commission meeting. We're meeting this Monday, May 12th, because of the town meeting this week. In accordance with the provisions of MGL chapter 38 section 20, notice is hereby
given that the conservation commission will meet on Monday, May 12th, 2025 at 700 p.m. Town meeting room 124, 1 Liberty Lane. Members of the public are welcome to attend this in person at One Liberty Lane Park for Mass or the remote
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town of Norfolk. Okay. I'll accept a motion to open this grand meeting of May 12th. I make a motion to open the meeting. Is there a second? All second it. All in favor? I should say no.
It passes. All right. Our first uh we're going to delay the first motion or the first public hearing because um John Glasser is not here. He'll be a little bit late. Um so we'll go on
to Ariana Lane. Correct. Right. The first action item, um, request for a partial certificate of compliance. So, I'm going to recuse myself. You don't have to leave.
Uh, oh, yes. K L. Um, so the the commission received a request for partial COC dated um March 5th isn't the correct date. um received this last month uh for DP file
240501 located at 97 Myrtle Street in Norfick, Mass. Um the request is related to work associated with 12 Ariana Lane known as Lot 5 as part of this subdivision uh Mil River Heights. Um a site I conducted a site
visit today, May 12th, to confirm existing conditions. The site is currently improved by a single family residential home with attached garage, paved driveway, and maintained in landscaped lawn areas. Um, at the time of inspection,
all disturbed areas were found to be stabilized with complete vegetated ground cover. Um based on review of the submitted materials um and my site visit, it appears that the portions of the pro project related to lot 5 um
including installation of conservation area markers appear to have been completed in substantial compliance with the approved work. Okay. Anybody here representing them or on uh Zoom? saying not any
conservation members. Is there is there a reason why it's not a full certificate? It's a posh. Uh so the the uh order of conditions is for Mill River Heights. Um Ariana Lane
um and the work is just related to to one of the lots. Okay. Any other questions? Sounds a little shady to me. No, no. Let's push
forward. Are you lot five? Yes, he is. Well, I don't know. So, this is a um this is a pretty recently um completed subdivision. Um so, the the developer hasn't come back for a full COC at this
point. Um, another one of the lots had gotten a partial COC a couple years back. Um, so this is the second lot in the subdivision that would be receiving a partial. So, so the contract has come back for the full COC. That's why I was asking correct. Looks to me all houses
are done. This is Tom who's a builder. Tony Tony D. Montine I'll be okay. All right. Okay. I'll accept a motion to issue a partial certificate of
compliance for 12 Ariana Lane. Adam Zurker moves we issue a partial certificate of compliance for D240-0501. Okay. Is there a second? Alfiney
seconded. Any further discussion? All in favor? I oppose. It passes. Okay. 28 Long Meadow Road. Enforcement order comments from Would
you mind pulling up some of the the site photos? Um so since the last meeting um I've conducted one site inspection May 1st um to just confirm existing conditions and also to observe any progress made with
removing the fill. Um, as a reminder, at the last meeting, the commission did um give the okay to the property owner to start clawing back some of the fill material in the 0 to to 50 um buffer zone. Um, so when I went out there May
1st, um, I will say it did look like a good amount of fill had been removed um, in the 0 to 50. Um, but there were quite a few issues that I observed out there. Um one the erosion control barrier was
had failed in many locations. Um in one of the locations a tree had fallen. Um and um in one location looks like a piece of the machinery had dug out too deep um
and damage the erosion controls and just altogether just just the silt fence didn't seem to be adequate for um for the site out there. So, I do recommend that um the commission required that a sil fence be used in conjunction
conjunction with a minimum 12-in waddle. Um, as you can see, some another major issue I found is that a lot of the remaining white pine trees have been damaged by the machinery. Um, and in that area, you're actually
the ponded area you're looking at is the buffer zone. It looks like they might have dug out a little bit too far and have created like a ponding situation on the upland side of of the erosion control barrier. Um, that's just a photo
of of what the the pool looks like. As you can see, it's pretty turbid. Um, another thing I did observe when I was out there, I noted and documented um more than five egg masses, which I believe to be um salamander. So, in my
opinion, it would be a certifiable vernal pool. Um, right now it's just listed as a a mapped potential vernal pool. Um, in order to be certifiable, you have to have more than five documented egg masses. So, that is something the commission could consider
through this enforcement order. Um, future filings requiring that the property owner do certify that pool. Um, we don't have to certify it now. Um I I mean technically I I could certify it. Um but it's it's always best
to have a property owner signature on that. Um so um as you can see from the photos I I mean I definitely recommend that any additional work in removing fill material out there. There's anywhere from, you know, a foot
of fill um to several feet in the 0 to 50 be removed by hand. Um any additional mach like machines in there I think would just continue to damage the trees that are left and um
the native soil profile that's there. And we did receive a revised restoration plan. It came in last Friday. Um so I got it today, Monday, when I came in to work. Um I haven't had a chance to fully review it yet. Um unfortunately to the point where I would
feel comfortable making a decision on it tonight or can you give an overview of it? Um it seems that they've um it's just more detailed exactly like the phasing of what they plan to do. Um, and the restoration, it
looks like they've updated the planting schedule and revised the number and added a couple additional um, species out there. So, it looks like just a glance over
they're going in the right direction. Okay. But compared to last months, but you've got to read the details. I mean, I think I mean that like I stated earlier, a substantial amount of fill has been moved uh removed um to
another portion of the site, but there in general is just a a lack of communication um between myself and the property owner. Um, and I guess just a lack of exp or a discrepancy in expectations of
what should be done out there. Um, I know I believe Ally, you had mentioned that if you know the field was going to be stored somewhere else on site, we needed um the sampling logs from that. Um, supposedly they had been tested for
lead. Um, I which that has not been submitted yet. Um, and also just the the lack of care in maintaining that erosion control barrier, lack of care in making sure that there isn't additional damage to to
the trees left in the buffer zone. Where is the his representative that he had here that said he was going to be on site when all this was going on and made sure that the all the silk fence and
whatever we needed to be done would be maintained. Um so the representative from God consultant did send me photos after the erosion control barrier was installed. Um I haven't other than the revised restoration plan that was submitted last
Friday. I haven't heard an additional or received any additional um communication from Goddard Consulting. He hasn't responded to you at all or um so I I had emailed try sure requests a site inspection. Um, we were going to
go together, we were going to go together and look at areas where the the fill could potentially be stored in the short term. Um, I didn't hear back from them. Um, so I just stated that I was going to be coming out May 1st. Um, because I, you know, needed to see the
site. We had had a substantial amount of rain. Um, and when I got there on May 1st, I observed what what you all saw in the photos. Do you have the photo of um Well, I guess that's the map where
the soil is going on the right. Correct. If you actually just scroll down on this. Yeah. Didn't you have a better picture of Yeah. So the there was an aerial from April
10th. So that just actually doesn't show the full site. Um so it's going to it's stored on the cell side of those um those barns and um paddic areas, which we can't see. Yeah. Um, but if you
scroll back up to the top, so kind of like the very the south southwest corner there is where the green roof big green roof. Yeah. Yeah. On the left of it behind it to the
left and and the corner and to the um to the bottom of it along that are they burying trees you think? Um not that I have observed. No, they stockpiling material.
Yeah. So the they're stockpiling material along like the southern have that. So with a self fence around it cuz he had promised that was one of the things he would do. No, I did not observe any
um to prevent any more any waddles or anything like that around any of the stock to prevent any more damage from any outlying areas especially on the bordering areas. was boarding a neighbor that he assured us that they would put out a silt fence, prevent that material from moving. That's got to be slop that
he's moving. Yeah. So, it's got to have silt and everything running off when he dumps it out of the truck or whatever he's dumping out. It's just running all over the place in that corner now. Yeah. He should hit like a 12 in I would think. Don't you think around stock of mass, not a small
I'm seeing a blatant disregard for anything we asked him to do. And I think we asked him to go to the 100 foot, did we not? We wanted him to go from the zero to 100, not zero to 50, all the way back to the 100. Mhm. As well. Mhm. As I recall,
he wanted to go 0 to 50 and then say, so here you go. And I'm like, and I said, we wouldn't give a permit for that. Exactly. So, if we're not going to give a permit to just arbitrarily fill in from 100 to 50 ft, then
you got to remove it. Yeah. And I mean, we've been more than nice because a lot of the other projects, we don't allow that material to be staying on site. Needs to be moved right away. So, if we I'm just saying if we can't
trust that he's going to stockpile it as proposed, then he may have to start removing it as he goes. Definitely. That's why I asked Jim because if he brought in truck after truck after truck, I know how he's got quite a bit
of land there, but there's nowhere to put all that. Especially if it's wet and sloppy, right? It's it's not going to stockpile. Correct me if I'm wrong. There's very few places he could bring it cuz he can't do it on the state project cuz that all has to be tested before it goes out. Yeah. If it's got glass and all
that in it. Yeah. We don't even accept that at the DPW. Yeah. I I don't know. So, I mean, logically, we're keeping the enforcement order.
Um I think we we have to call them in. Yeah. and I I think and talk to him and yeah, he's got to come up to date with what we've discussed and do and as Yeah, it he's got a mass of material
that probably should start getting removed from the site completely. Put it in Jim's yard. I think maybe one thing we should ask his agent is he being strongarmed and not following what we're he's we're asking
to have done. Who's behind not following the directions? Is he just not following up with the landlord or is the landlord telling him I'm not paying anymore to come out. I'm going to do what I'm going to do. So that we need to I think find
out from his agent who came in front of us to present the project. The onus is on you buddy to come up with why you haven't followed through with the everyday day-to-day operation you claimed you were going to do. Yeah. Cuz he assured us oh don't
worry there we I'm going to make sure the first thing he said I'm putting in the silt fence and I'll put in waddles where I need to be. you don't have to, you know, pretty much you don't have to micromanage me. I'm going to take care of it for you. Plus, he was going to
flag it and he was going to give us the results of the test results so we could see if there's lead in it. Cuz if there's lead in it, he can't store it there. It's going to go somewhere else. And the fence he put up is been used for years, it looks like. Right. It's deteriorated. Yeah. I mean, it it
definitely needs to be repaired or is it worth even having up? So yeah, definitely we need to bring him in the agent. I mean, the teeth marks from the bucket into the trees is blatantly telling he's trying to kill
the trees, right? That's what that's telling me cuz an operator, if any kind of an operator shouldn't have even done, you don't do that. I'm sorry. I'm not an operator and I wouldn't do that. It seemed like almost every tree had marks like that. cuz he claimed he was going
to hand dig around those built those trees. He said it was when I was on site, I did I did mention that that it's it's very possible to even use a piece of machinery to dig out those trees without those marks. Um, so either
whoever was operating that careless is extremely careless or um I don't know what I cuz I mean obviously if you knew how to use it and you were near structures you couldn't have somebody that drives like that near you put it next to the tree and drag back the
material would have followed it for the most part. So it might have had a little hand digging around it but the material is going to follow the bucket. You don't have to hit the tree with the bucket. No, not at all. Not trees that big. Not every one of them. I I have a
question. Yes, sir. What's the real likelihood of us being able to enforce this without uh involving something else, legal action? It doesn't seem like there's any
willing willingness there or good faith that we've seen yet. So, does a D get involved with something like this? Um, potentially. Yeah, if we're having issues. Yeah, they could I could reach out to them. This would fall under there. Is
this enough? Yeah. Isn't there I It appears that KDP there's enough water footage that's been damaged that would fall under them. They haven't been to the site at all.
Have who? DB. No, it's all we've been take care of it. I mean, it's time to bring them because we don't our enforcement isn't doesn't have legs, does it? So, I mean, we can say things,
but we can't we can't penalties. Um Yeah. So, I think yeah, let's get the D in there and let them do their thing. But I think at the f at the minimum they
have to stop work and come in and talk to you. Mhm. Yeah. I think any like you said good faith um allowances the commission has given them to you know they've work out out there without an approved restoration plan. I think
um that time has kind of come and gone based on what I saw out there. And to be honest, you know, this is nitpicking, but the whole tree issue, if every one of those is marked, it wasn't an I
mean, is it really an accident? I'm not going to make any declarations, but that sounds that looks like really bad faith. Is the in that picture there, is the root system dug out as well of the trees, or is that just from what I'm seeing? Uh, so that's one tree that had fallen down. Um, the base of it was
still buried under fill. So, I couldn't really tell why it had fallen down, whether or not it was the damage from the weight of the fill material or Okay. I mean, I'm just curious. Yeah. I don't know why. It's It's very Look at all the marks on that one. Pushed over with a bucket as the bucket proceeded forward.
Mhm. But he did ask me when I was out there if he could use the machines to start removing fill from inside the wellins. I told him definitely not. But I the fact that he asked that question now possibly is kind of alarming. So I mean if we
certify it as a vernal pool that definitely brings the D in I would think. Now who who takes care of the land clearing and tree clearing
ordinances in the town? Who does that fall under? and what are what type of penalties do they have and is that something that needs to be addressed? Um, so as far as tree clearing, there are there are town
bylaws. Um, this is private pretty big. As far as land disturbance, um, the planning board does have a storm water permit. Um, and we have been looking into whether or not the amount of land disturbance on this property would
um would need some sort of storm water permit cuz it's a good amount of area. Yeah. But it wouldn't go into the normal tree thing of when they're clearing a lot for a house, right? But because it's private property, but
because it's part of this whole problem. My question is if it falls under say the building department, do they have more resources to apply a penalty or to apply you know cease and desist? They can put
penalties on things, but I'm not sure if this is a building department issue. Uh I don't believe so. I um like you were mentioning with u the building department does have something about tree clearing on um undeveloped lots
that don't have like an approved plan but that wouldn't really apply to this situation. Well, is it within the 100t buffer? No. So this is like if you have an undeveloped lot. No, no, I'm I'm not that. Oh, this these trees here. Yeah,
they are. Exactly. So yeah, what you're looking at right here is additional buffer zone to start bits. Well, um, yeah, I think give a call to D and But yeah, get we need to get the
agent in here and he's got to put a good fence up, put a big waddle in there and start listening to what we're telling him to do and not do. Should or can we adjust
or alter the enforcement order to include these things? Uh we yeah the commission could do that along with your recommendations hand digging etc. Yeah, I think that would be a good idea just
because, you know, whether or not it's on purpose or not, just the the difference in expectations of, you know, what the site should look like, uh, maintaining erosion controls, I think spelling that out clearly in the enforcement order is a good idea. I
think that would be advisable, surely. Can you do that in the next few days? Um, well, I can we can talk about what we talked about tonight. the commission can vote to revise the enforcement order and then I can draft that up and send it out. Um so I think what we've talked about
tonight um just with the erosion controls um I did recommend having um the silt fence and the straw waddle. Um and then we also talked about having erosion controls around any temporary
stockpile areas. Um, another uh condition that we could add would be that test results of the film material be submitted to the commission as soon as possible. As soon as possible. Surely I agree. They said they had that right in hand. Obviously,
they didn't. Right. Over a month ago. And I'm familiar. I'm We're digging in Secon Street now. A new culvert going in after the water man was done. That slop for this guy to remove that right now with all the rain and everything we had. It's going to be very difficult as well. So, we might want to tell him to wait
until it dries out a little cuz it's going to do more damage than perhaps carry it off site, right? But still, you put a bucket in there and it's just going to slop all over the place and carry it off site where the location it is that street to the school and that wouldn't be recommended that they drag
that down the street. I agree. We'd have to put more. Oh, would it be a mess? have to contain it on site. Clearly for now until such time as it dries out then remove it. Just saying guys. I mean I'm I'm familiar with this kind of work and Oh
yeah. That's like slop mud is it'll be dripping out the dump truck all the way down the road. And I mean you look at that hill the slope. I mean there's no up to the house right there. No vegetation on it. Yeah. No vegetation. That's the field he put in, isn't it?
Yeah. It is a development that he put in. Yeah. So, it's a lot of trucks. Not to mention the sediment from the other picture. It's going out into the woods into the wetlands carrying in further and further away. The other option that may bear some leverage uh fish and
wildlife about the salamanders as you had mentioned to bring them into it to uh you know uh perhaps they may have more uh authority if you will or some more power to bear. Yeah. I mean that
division they do they are the ones that maintain the potential vernal pool certified infernal pool databases. So um I could reach out to them as well as D. Okay. All the
above. So let's for the enforcement order the fence seal fence. Uh you want straw? Uh yeah. Uh I think um states bills not a straw.
Um I think given that it's temporary um just a silt fence. Um I think a silt sock would be better here just cuz it's so silty out there. Um and a large one. Going to be hard to
install right now if it's what I think it is as well. What do you mean? They're going to have to walk through a foot and a half, 2 feet, 3 ft of mud and get stuck. I mean, again, guys, I'm not out there. I didn't see it. Caitlyn, you saw it, but that's what I'm assuming for.
So, that could lay down. They'd have to pull it. But yeah, it is what it is, though. Although a 12 in sock isn't super isn't as heavy, but it's walking through the mud. It's getting pulling it out there to get it out there. But should have been done ahead of time. It
should have been, you know, I guess it's Yeah, we it's that's not our problem if they at this point. They should have been doing it already. Um, another So, the another thing that the commission requires that they're they seed the slope with like a temporary
erosion control seed mix. Um, until we see it's eroding, it's dirt. Yeah. Every time it rains, all that muck is just washing right out. So yeah, they immediately need to see that even though we will be
bumping them back to the 100 foot mark. You want to stabilize just to stabilize it. Um just cuz over the next month or so is really when we see like a lot of these um kind of more intense rain events, wash outs and wash outs.
Yeah. and time is of the essence and salamanders are breeding now and right the confluence. So just what else do we need to put on the enforcement order? So I think um one um all that we talked about with
um adding additional language on the erosion controls out there on site um two that the test results of the film material be submitted and then I think so we should that be within 5 days I wouldn't give them any longer. Yeah, we
can do five business days. Um and then three just reiterate that there's um a cease and desist on all site work out there until an uh restoration plan is seed that slope right um yeah I was
kind of including the seed mix as part of the whole erosion control is it and sedimentation control spelled out there is our own right here we go um yeah so kind spell out all that we
that we talked about. Glad you could make it. We're just finishing up talking about the site. Sorry for the delay. I come from Boston. That's all right. Love truck wrote to one. I never know. I have something to say. Yeah. Okay.
Um, we've got a list of things that need to be done because it doesn't look like the your representative has followed through the way he said he would and you're the land owner. So,
uh, why can you go through those? Um, sure. Uh, so the commission discussed, uh, revising the enforcement order. Um, one, um, to, uh, clarify and add details about erosion and sedimentation
controls on site, which include, um, installing a silt fence, um, and a minimum 12-in diameter straw um, silt sock at the base of the slope. Um, and install erosion erosion controls
appropriate around the temporary stock piles on site. And then also to uh seed the slope with a erosion control seed mix. Um uh number two add a condition that test
results of the field material be submitted to the commission within five business days. And three uh reiterate the general cease and assist on the site for all site activity um until a restoration plan has been approved by
the commission. through I did the same day you there you guys show up today I send email with all the picture I don't know together um I got an a blank email blank email I did the same
day I don't know why but this would be just um adding additional language about the type of erosion control that's used out there I think exactly what you told But seal shot over there. He did everything. I have a picture of my phone. I think I
got a I think in general the commission the microphone. I'm sorry. Why don't you come up to the table and use the speaker? The microphone. There you go. You get your own mic and everything. You have a photo there. Yeah. Sunday kind of late beginning that late
night. Kind of late for that to be getting this now. Yeah, we don't have time to review any of this. And I think just in general, the commission's talked about wanting to to revise the enforcement order. So, this is all clear going forward. So, we can make that motion and do it tonight regardless.
Yes. in the screen, but it goes in place. But what about to the left where it started? There was more silk fence, but there wasn't. Hey, Paul, I think it's he's got he should send those to Caitlyn. Uh, it's too late tonight to really go through them. We we we should
have them on the screen. We all should see them and analyze them. The trees are getting abused by the machinery. You can see the tree in the back. That's a fine. Yeah, the tree in the back. I mean, they're getting scraped by the
machinery, and that shouldn't be. They should be hand digging around the tree, and that's what we had talked about. All of the trees have been damaged that we can see there from the teeth of the bucket. So, I I'm not understanding why
that's happening. It shouldn't be. We asked that the trees be saved. That's why we wanted the material removed from around the trees so the trees wouldn't get killed by stuffing the bucket teeth into the trees like that. It's going to kill them and that's what we're trying to avoid happening
here as well. So that's why he was keeping a cease and desist no work to be done until Yeah. most I I worry more about the other trees not for the pine trees cuz the pine trees I never know that's part of conservation pine trees all trees. This is all in the bordering
vegetative wetlands. So all trees are all of the trees are of consideration. All right. And just to know, I mean, they're literally the only vegetation left in the buffer zone. Yeah. Show the picture of the other silt fence
if you could, Elaine. That's right. He's smart over there. That's the only reason you can't really go over there before because too mud and have too much rain before. Yeah. And I don't want to go machine too deep over there to fix because that's push more stuff to the
That's kind of one of the reasons, sir, we're giving you the cease and desist right now because I'm concerned that it's too muddy for you to put a machine in there right now and do any work. I'm not doing nothing over there now. No, nothing. I'm wait have to be dry first. How about the other picture
lane which the plant sets in poor condition. I mean I can advise any you guys go over there to look at it. I'm not doing work there. I'm working my horse stuff. It's not there. Yeah.
But yeah, your representative needs to talk to Kaitlin so then we can get this project in order so you can proceed. He sent a new plan staff to Kayn. He she just got it well she he sent it
Friday which meant she got it today and she couldn't read it and digest it for the tonight's meeting. um with everything else. So that's your silk fence D right there. Yeah. No.
Yeah. Yeah. That's one of them. Yeah. That it's fallen down. It's covered with mud. No. So the revised language about, you know, erosion and sedimentation control is that any, you know, the the erosion
control barrier should be inspected um really after any rain event. um and repaired and replaced if it's needed. Obviously, it you know quite a bit of work happened here and it should you know anytime there's a deficiency in the
erosion control barrier it needs to be immediately replaced or repaired. Any final comments? No. Okay. All right. We'll make a motion. Paul, it was your idea.
What? I'll make the motion. There you go. that the revised order of conditions that we have spoken about tonight, all of them that Caitlyn now has written down be revised and sent to the homeowner incorporated in the incorporated with the enforcement
order. Good synopsis. The Adams look second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Okay. Thank you.
And um when revisions are made the two enforcement orders they um DP does get a copy. So okay are we ready for do we have anyone on Zoom 41 Turner Street. No John. So we do we
hear okay we need to open up the meeting correct right the hearing so 41 turn yes so I would accept a motion to open up the public hearing on 41 Turner Street make a motion to open the public
hearing for 41 Turner Street request for amended OCDP 240-0596 Second Peter Cook in a second. All in favor? I Okay, we're ready for business. Okay. Oops. Sorry. Go ahead.
Sure. You can go ahead. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, we did have a long discussion um about the plans. I can go through it again, but I can just go through very quickly um so that you know we're not sort of
rehashing something that you know we've already talked about. But I do have um two of the uh directors uh Tim Martin and Mark Sawyer are here uh with me tonight. Um they were part of the appeal
and as you know the appeal now has been withdrawn. Um we also have a David McCree um who uh is in the position to purchase this property and build a single family
house there. Um so um as I said before um we made some significant changes to the plans because we thought or the abuters thought and I think they were correct that the um plans that were
originally approved um had um a lot of alteration to the uh 50-ft buffer and the 100 ft buffer and to the lot as a hole and those really did not have to happen for this to be, you know, a very
nice uh buildable lot that's going to have a very nice house on it. So, I'm just going to quickly go through those um just so you get a flavor of what we did. So, the approved plan for the 0 to 50 uh foot buffer had
4,762 square ft of alteration. This plan has 3,544 square ft and most of that alteration happens in an area that's already been altered. So, it happens in
that area in the front left corner of the lot as you're looking at it up there where you can see the stabilized construction entrance. That's where the other building is and the barn. Um, and there's a small paddic there and there's
a driveway there. So, all of the a lot of the alteration, and I do have that broken down somewhere, but I don't know how much you want me to speak, but a lot of the alteration, the um 4,000 uh of the 3,554 ft that we're proposing is
happening in that area that's already been altered. Um, in the 50 to 100 foot zone, there was 18,091 square feet on the approved plan to be altered. We're showing 12,88 square ft. So, uh, about 500 about
5,000 square ft less. uh the total alteration the 0 to 100 ft 22,853 we're showing 16,352 so about 6,500 square ft less and
then the total alteration of the complete site was 56,135 ft. We're now showing 40,799 square ft. So, a reduction of 15,000 square ft. Um, and then not to
get into this but too much, but we also felt that there were aspects of the approved plan that were not buildable. The driveway on the right side in an area where the land drops down very quickly and they were showing a driveway
with side sloping. Believe me, that was not going to happen. And even at the meeting with the DP, the builder says, "Oh, well, it's nothing. We just put in a retaining wall." Well, you got to show it on the plan. You can't just put it in
it. You know, kind of like the guy who was here before, just do whatever you want. No, that's not the way it works, right? So, we're showing you a plan. It's buildable. It's been reviewed by the builder. Um, as far as I know, it's
been reviewed by your agent. And um this is um what we are are proposing and this is what we would ask the board um to approve uh as the amendment to the um
order of conditions or as an amended order of conditions that you simply um substitute this plan for the one that was approved. Okay. Thank you, John. Caitlyn.
Um, so as we've we've talked about u before, I think this this new plan is um definitely pushing the limits of what what is considered an acceptable um amount of change under uh wetlands
policy 85-4 amended orders. Um there is a reduction in the amount of buffer zone that's being altered, but um there's quite an a bit of additional work um closer to the wetlands um with
the construction of the driveway. Um also the driveway now crosses over an existing um culvert. Um so um there are you know additional considerations that would need to be made if the commission
were to consider issuing an amended order of conditions for that for this for this new plan. Um one of the the major concerns I have um have to do with the demolition of the house existing house and barn. Um, as
you can the one at the end near the street close, correct? Um, so their their stabilized construction entrance is essentially right where the barn um and house are right now. Um, according to the limits of work on this plan, there's really nowhere to to stockpile
any demolition debris or or storing equipment. So um really um the demolition activities would need to be started and completed before um you know any work could continue um for the and it has to be removed. It would have to
be immediately removed from from the site. Um, I mean there's I you know the existing driveway I guess there's a you know a small area there to store some materials but um really just logistically wouldn't make sense there.
Um the second concern I have is the um the crossing over that existing culvert. Um there's a I think it's like 10 to 12 ft there um between the two head walls. But Elen, if you could actually pull up some pictures. Um, I think head wall is
kind of a a stretch for what's there currently. Um, there's really not much much structure around that existing pipe. Would they have to put in a no little drain pipe and over there's already a drain pipe. There's already a
driveway there. It's been used for years. I'm not seeing I'm not seeing that by the mailbox. By the mailbox. So this is one this is one of the head walls where the the driveway will be going over where there's the pipe. So
it's you know it's country drainage um type situation out there. Yeah. But there there is a what is it? Eight 8 in diameter pipe under under the driveway and then it goes to a swale which runs along. Yeah. It's more like a
car path. Uhhuh. Yes. All right. that all the vegetation has grown into it, but it still works. Yeah. And so, according to the plan, there will be um a retaining wall kind of right on top of that as well as like the erosion
control. So, there's really not a ton of room there um until you, you know, accidentally, you know, alter wetlands there. Um, so I think, you know, there would probably need to be exist additional
considerations, conditions, um, to just make sure there's no construction related impacts there. Um, this is a picture of roughly where where the driveway will be going. Um, this area is fairly wet. Um, I when I've been out
there several times, I've typically found ground water anywhere from like 14 to 15 in below um below grade. So, it's it's pretty wet. Um, but it's just wet. It's not wetlands. No
wetlands. You would want to see water like within 12 in. But wait a minute. Aren't they staying on the cart the existing road? Yeah, we're working on the car. That is the car path. It's just wet backyard.
But it's a firm surface. There's no top soil here. It's a firm surface. It might have vegetation on it. So, it might have a few inches of top soil, something like that. But there's no top soil, subs soil, you know, there's no soil profile,
natural soil profile under this uh driveway. I mean, it's not it's not really a driveway. There's I mean, there's a a path over the swale, but I mean, it's just really a backyard access point. It's clearly how somebody,
probably a farmer, was driving his trucks, his tractors, his trailers, his equipment to the rear of this property. Have you done any borings, John, at all to see what's there? No, but I'll gladly do them. I'll ask monitor this whole
operation of going of putting that driveway in. Um, I just hate to see the homeowner go to put it in and find out there's driveways sinking in the mud or something. That's why I'm asking if there's any. You have a very um experienced builder sitting right here
that I've worked with since I've seen them. I've worked with for 30 years or more. This is not going to be a problem. Yep. You know what I object to? Caitlyn, if you don't mind. Well, well, wait. Hold on a second. Cuz Kaitlyn doesn't
make the decision. She's giving her input and you may have a rebuttal, but it's it's we're the ones who will be making the decision. So, but but are there any pictures of where the other driveway was going to be? Have you gotten any indication which way we're
leaning? Oh, okay. I'm sorry. My my mistake. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have. Just asking questions, John, right now. That's all. Okay. I don't know if I heard any over there. Could I say it? No, no, no. That's I
didn't include pictures over there. It's um I believe it's just like pines and um not much not much understory there in the back know where the driveway was going to be. But my point was and I can
show you on and I'm not knocking Don and McKenzie, okay? But I can show you on their plan for anybody who's in construction and can understand contouring and you know proposed grades. It's impossible to build that driveway
where it was shown on that plan without either going into the wet mans with the sides slope or as the builder said we just put in a retaining wall. It's impossible. It's very
possible, not a problem at all to build the driveway where it's shown on the plan that we drew. It's if you know if you go out there in the summer when I was out there, it's a very firm surface
where that driveway is proposed and that's where there was a driveway before. So, it's a you know, I don't see it as a as an issue um as all at all. As far as removing the barn and the
building, they go right into a dumpster. They don't get dumped on the ground. Nobody's going to pick it up twice. They get knocked down right into a dumpster off the site. Question. I have lots of questions. You're emptying You're emptying your
bag. I'm asking you, sir. I have a question. You're emptying your bag. Go ahead. Kate, have you been on the site recently? I have not. No. Question for you, John. I've had the honors of been flushing hydrants on Cleveland Street and that I've seen a lot of I don't want to mention the construction site
company's name, but trucks going up and down Turner. Is that with this property or is that something else? This property is just Nothing's been touched on this property yet. That's all I wanted to ask. Okay. Thank you. No, we don't have an order. We don't have an order of
conditions that we want to work. We're good. We're good, John. And John, I only asked you about if you did borings just because I was asking if it's stable. I'm sure when it's dry weather, it is. I'm sure it's an old cot path or an old road. Yeah, we're not doubting that. So, don't get me wrong with my question
there. I just encourage you. No. And you know and and you know David McCriedy will tell you he's not going to put any machines or anything down there until that's you know firmed up and very hard and and no problem. Just wanted to make sure you knew where I was going with that. That's all. Yeah. He doesn't want to lose a machine.
It's not he doesn't want to lose a machine. What about the surface of the driveway? Uh is it this the proposed surface? It would be an asphalt drive. Okay. How much of it is going to be built up from what we saw in the picture? Uh, not
really all that much. So, let me just see if I can take a closer look at the plan back up. So, um, the top of
those head walls are about at elevation, I'm going to say 2045. We're at 205 and maybe 206 as we're coming into that. So, we're showing, you know,
raising up the the uh walls along the edge of the culvert. Raising up the head wall about a foot and a half. About a foot and a half. What material are you suggesting to put in its place? Same stone. Yeah. Stone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Big boulders. Yeah. Stone. Yeah. It's not going to move anywhere. In your discussion about the driveway on the far right, what's the what's the delta between what you were going to what you would have had to have built it up on the right versus what you're proposing now? Well, I didn't draw the plan, but when I looked at that plan,
and I do have a copy with it, they would easily be filling in four feet because when you come off of the road at that point, it drops down very quickly and then it levels off. It doesn't. So at
the be very beginning where you're right next to that wetland to that little intermittent stream they were like 3 ft away from those wetland flags with a 4ft fill. You know how does that work? It
doesn't really work. And again I'm not knocking Don and McKenzie. I think that they were trying to appease let's go let's you know get this done and get out of dodge so to speak. But it it and that was one of the things that I pointed out
to the DP in a letter and at the site that it was physically impossible to and I certified that to Matt Watsky to the attorney that it was physically impossible to build that driveway at the
grade shown on that approved plan without altering that wet lands. So you're suggesting that contouring is off on the plan. No, it's not off. But you what I think what it doesn't show is there's no spot grade right at the edge
of pavement. So you don't really get an idea of how fast that drops down from the edge of pavement. There's a wall there, right? There's a stone wall there. And then on the other side of that wall, it's like, you know, a couple feet, three feet lower. Yeah. Yeah.
Well, cuz it's coming back up here. No, on the other side. on the other side. The original So the original Yeah. Yeah. Backwards. I'm sorry. Yeah. The original driveway here. So here's the edge of pavement and
this is going and here's the lot line. So any contractor has to um respect the lot line because this is private. This isn't his property here. So he has to respect that. And he's got the wetlands
here. And he has a 12-oot driveway to drop. And you can just see right here. Here's 214, 213, 212, 210 in what, 15 ft. Yeah. So I just believe that by bringing it
here and having a less of a slope down to the culvert across the culvert and into the sort of the larger builder build larger area for the building. Um it was the first thing I saw when I went
out there. It's like why would you go over here when you can go over a place that's already been altered? Well, we talked about this before that it we have to come to a compromise because we can't render this property unbuildable in our decisions. You know
what I mean, right? And you know, it's like we don't want to disturb the bordering any more than anyone, but this isn't like something someone's trying to abuse. The property has already been exploited.
My leaning is it at some point we we have to accept the fact that there will be a little disturbance but then this property will become a a tax paying base in a a family or whatever it is. I mean,
then the impact is minimal. Let's try and and just to be devil's advocate, if we put the driveway on the right hand side, it's not a permeable area, so we're going to be forcing more water into the
wetland at a greater slope. Yeah. Which is never good. Um the other thing is you know just like when we deal with the waterfront um he's actually taking a bunch of already disturbed areas in the
you know in the area the protected area and he's decreasing the footprint. So, I mean, he realistically could build save a wall and just build the house again as opposed to what he's doing, which is trying to reduce the
footprint in the in the affected areas, right? And and so, one thing I I just want to point out because you're you're hitting the nail on the head. So, this is all impervious now. This building here, this building is all impervious.
Now, this driveway right here, this is pavement to here. So, we are removing all of this impervious, all of this impervious. This impervious we're just simply reusing. And then we're removing all of this
impervious here and here. So, I I didn't qu I may have quantified that somewhere, but you can just see we're removing this building. removing the barn and this is all batuminous pavement here right out to the street that's all going to be
removed now and it's going to be you know put back as grass right um and not be uh pvious anymore. So you're you're gaining on that um on that
front decrease the footprint. Right. Right. So I mean and you know then becomes maybe it's he's already built the house there. There's already a house there.
There's already a road there. They've already disturbed the areas to build these things. know which is the, you know, the better of of the two. And I think, you know, going on the other side is a lot better than disturbing, you
know, the 50ft area by the wetlands with the the original driveway plan. Mhm. Is that adds slope to Yeah. You know, any animals trying to come up to feed and Yeah. and all of that where now we've protected that area, right? Um, I just
think looking when we look at something like that, we just got to make sure they're, you know, not that close and not putting up any solid fence that it would be, you know, like a either no fence or um a fence that, you know, turtles,
that type of stuff underneath. We're not planning on putting any stockade fences or any any So, we just want to make sure that, you know, because we're trying to come up with a compromise for you. So by, you know, allowing, you know, the whatever's in the pools and whatever's
in the wetland to come up and graze is is always a benefit, right? I mean, certainly if there was a condition that said unless someone comes back to the commission, all fences can only be post and rail fences with no uh wire. That
would be that would be good if it had that would be certainly a a uh we've done a lot of that when we're on these borders. I think you've probably been a part of it that we want to make sure that we don't have a fence that blocks you know wood chucks from or you know
any type of animal any any animals that want them rabbits and right there's a ton of deer in that one area. Ton of deer. Yeah, I've seen a lot of deer out there. So, but you know post and rail fence with no wire mesh or no nothing solid to you know block if they wanted
to do that and if they wanted to do that they would have to come back in front of the commissioner. Fair enough. So I think just to clarify the question isn't which project is better than the other. The question is, can the scope of the changes to this
project be accepted under an amended order of conditions? And if they can, then what additional special conditions would be needed to make sure that there are no additional impacts to wetland resource areas? Um, similar to the
approved project, what else has to be added? Um I did come up with um some some special conditions to consider. Um one just the standard um you know the erosion control barrier needs to be
inspected prior to the start of work. Um and then the other three are related to the demolition of those buildings. um potentially requiring um the applicant to uh submit a construction
phasing plan um that details how the those buildings will be demolished um in the stabilization efforts of that area prior to additional work on site. Um no stockpiling of demolition debris
be allowed. Um all demo debris uh must be immediately removed from the site. Um and then following demolition, um site inspection be conducted to inspect the stabilized construction entrance and make sure the area is stable prior to
additional site work. Yeah, I think John those are that's all right, right? Sounds meanable. The plan the debris dumpster and take it away. Yeah, I think I mean the biggest the biggest
threat of any construction related impacts would be related to you know taking those buildings down getting stabilized construction entrance in there. I think these are similar conditions we've had in other restricted sites that
you have agreed to do the same thing. We have no problem with with those conditions at all. Um what Dave McCriedi whispered in my ear is that you know in Norolk where you have a lot of wells um before anyone starts to build a house
first thing you want to do is make sure they have water. So you can see the well it's to the left of the right side property line but that can be accessed from the abuter's property and the abuter has allowed him to do that. So, the first thing we're going to do is
drill the well. If we have water, adequate water, then we're do the rest of the project. But we have absolutely no issue with those conditions that uh that Caitlyn uh listed. I think they're
pretty much what we've done across the board and areas like this that we've required the material to be moved away right away. Yeah. And um you know we had one instance where you rectified the plan because the first
house in a duplex of two projects didn't follow the plan in place and um you know we set up construction meetings at your request and as um Caitlyn has mentioned letting her know before we start and letting her be able
to access um you know view any of the um waddles our sil fence before project goes I think is fair right and I think that even before the construction of that driveway barn and
the house or whatever we call that the shed or whatever it is must should be removed have to be removed right so first item of business so to speak would be installation of the well which can be done from the abuters's property so it doesn't really come into play with any
wetlands um uh issue and then secondly would be the um demolition of the buildings and as I said they will go right into dumpsters and then the area will all be cleaned up and then we'll start from
there creating our access to the to the rear of the property and we certainly want to you know have Caitlyn or anyone who wants to come out to to uh inspect. I mean that's what it's all about. We're
not we're not the smartest guys on the face of the earth here. So if anybody has another um you say you can access to drilling the well from the abuter's property. How about running a line from the well to the dwelling? Is that on dry
land or is that through the wetlands? No, no, no. It's on dry land. You can you can see it to the right of the It's run almost runs right along that property line. All right. Can we So the insulation of the well would be the line to the house. Is that No, just just to
put in the well to make sure that you know they'll know when they put in the well um whether they're going to have water or not. They don't need to run that line. They don't need to have power. They don't need all of those things. The well driller handles all of
that. And the other thing is that people always ask me about is you put in a well now it's a 6 inch hole essentially and they're like oh what do you do with all of this dirt? Well every 100 ft you get three cubic yards of dirt. So this very
you know my question I asked you John was because you said access with the machine to drill a well. I was curious why you couldn't access it from the property itself. Why you have to come from the homeowners? Well, because we would have to create the driveway and make all of that big mess. And how about
if we made all of that big mess and then we said, "You know what? We don't have any water." No problem. There's water there. We'd be more than happy. The town would be more than happy to let the contractor put a line up for the house. You know, 6 in or 8 in. That's the only reason I asked that
question. That's fine. That's fine. It was a good It was a very good question. Caitlin, can we make that an order of condition that they do it from the neighbor's property instead of trying to Yes, you can put that in as a condition. Um, no. I would not do that just cuz
then you're like requiring the neighbor the neighbor um who didn't sign the notice of intent. Have to get a notice of intent from the neighbor. Yeah. Yeah. To go across. they, you know, I think if if they want to have some sort of handshake deal,
that's, you know, the commission can't stop that. But I wouldn't recommend the commission put like that in writing. But what would stop him from trying to go even though he's so as long as and when I I mean first before anything happens that the erosion control should be
installed in that area, especially I don't know if there are trees where that well would need to go in. Um, so you know, I would see see what it looks like before they drill the well and then, you know, if
there's any, you know, damage to the wetlands or work outside the limit of work that would, you know, I would be able to tell that and then we the commission could deal with it at that point. But my worry would be the the weight of the machine driving over the without if they're going to end up
driving over it and they can't go through the neighbors. Is that a Certainly not. I mean, it's a heavy machine, but the tires on those well drilling machines are so huge that they actually would put less pressure on the
ground than your car. Don't they put down? They're very that I've watched them do many wells. They if they have to put platform down, they will. They will not sink into the neighbors. Yeah. They're not going to lose. They're not going to lose. It's pretty dry over there. It's not like other portions of the city where it's I've watched many
and they're pretty good at that. All right. So, I'm good with it. Especially when a conservation in the neighbor the neighbor is certainly not going to want 5 in rut deep. The culvert that's that's going to be fine. Yeah, the culvert it's pretty far away from that area. Um they end up
having to drive over it. No, we're not. That's why they would have to take trees down. It would be very obvious. That's why they're going through the neighbor's yard right appreciate that. is to not have to go and do that work if for some reason they can't. We're giving
them permission to go over this. Yeah. Just make just say that the first um action on the site will be the installation of the wall. That's all you have to do. Um, we can, and to Caitlyn
made a good point, but prior to that, um, we can install, um, this bit of, uh, compost sock and this bit of compost sock. So, your and we could even square that off if you like. So, your um,
any potential alteration to the wet lam would be abaded by doing that. So, yeah. So when the well is being installed, the limit of work would be clearly marked by the erosion control out there. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We can we can make
that happen. We certainly want to work with you guys to make all this stuff happen. Appreciate that. Caitlyn any um no those were those are my um recommended conditions if the
the commission were to go ahead with um an amended order. in the proposed border wall. Boulder wall is the limit of work. That's where the silt fence where we cross the uh culvert. You have it going all the way around. Is that the the Yes, the silt
the the compost sock. We're showing it. I don't know what size is. Probably a 10in compost sock all the way around. That is our limit of work. Side just the scope of Yeah, there's no wall going in, right? No, there's no wall. But you can
see our limit of work. all the way around. It goes all the way around the property or the the location of the property that's going to be altered. We have a compost sock that goes all the way around. Darn it. And do you on the property you
have a place to stockpile luma dirt? Yeah, there's plenty of room in in the back. Okay. Yeah. And uh I don't know if we did. I don't think we showed but you know if you want we can show you a
storage area. Just curious. I think that the last meeting there was a picture something that it may or may not the plans um a picture of the for the material on site to be stockpiled. I don't know if I ever saw anything like
the reason I'm asking is the pond out back there. So oh the that pond is pretty far away. Okay. But again, if you want to make it a condition that we pro that we provide prior to start of construction material stockpile area and
a construction staging area, we'll gladly show it. Do you feel it's necessary? It would just be a second plan to show. It's up to you. I I just wanted to ask the question. Um, I mean, I think as long as the the erosion
controls are out are, you know, clearly marked, I think we're fine. There are a lot of um like most of the house and the septic system are are outside the 100 foot buffer. Yeah. I've only been up top on the road inside and I've seen the whole I haven't been down with a house. Yeah. So, if you go back as there's it's
because it's half the site is very wet and the other half is higher up. Um, it's all pines. Um, you know, a good got a good base there to put the house down.
Anyone? Anybody in the audience want to final comments? Good. So, I'm You have to come up and introduce yourself. You just have to talk. Yeah. So, I'm I'm Mark Sawyer. from the immediate butter that is allowing access through my property and
that has elevation where the truck would go through. So, it's a little higher than, you know, the wetland area. There's no problem getting back there. You know, if they cause some damage, I'm good with Dave fixing it. Um, so I have no problem with this. Okay, thank you.
There they are. Oh, yeah. That's Joe and Steve. Just in case you guys weren't sure, I've shook hands guys many a time. I haven't caught one yet. Are they hanging in your No, they're hanging in their yard. Anyway,
they don't look so happy anymore. Yeah, they'll still be happy. They not going to destroy all that land up there. There's plenty of room. What? Paul, did you have something? Just one quick question. And again, I'm sure you pretty much answered it. I just want to be clear and it makes perfect sense. You want to make sure that there's water
on the property. So, you want to drill the well first before going through the rest of it. And to me, quite honestly, that sounds fair enough. Yes. I mean, um, you know, otherwise you'll common sense. Yeah. Propose another uh spot for
a well or as Al Finny pointed out, DPW would be glad to run the line right up to wherever you need it to be. Yeah. No, no, no. contractor would run the line up the road. I stand correct. I guess but anyway connection, you know. Um yeah, we
do work like in do, you know, these towns that really have no water systems and it's always the first thing the builder does. Yeah. And it's usually done even before there's any uh change in ownership because uh no one wants to
no one wants to get into that. We did do one lot where they they drilled five wells. Any idea what the depth would it be? Approximately uh four or 500 ft, did you say? Yeah, probably four or five out
there. You never know. You know, on my particular property, we have uh actually two wells. Uh even though I did pay uh DPW to run the line. uh one being a shallow well which is surface water and
the other which you know is through the town 3 400 ft uh and you know my question was in regarding the depth of it I know personally that I've had to at another property go with a smaller machine but they only had to get down 30
ft to reach water so right but the problem with that is you know if the water what you're going to run into granite etc depth So I mean this this well they're going to go down through the soil until they hit ledge and then they're going to go into they're going to drill down into ledge a for good it's
the fractures right the fissures in the in the ledge that bring the water in into the well so um unless you're lucky I'm my well is 67 ft deep and I have all the water that you are lucky yeah they
they hit ledge at you know like 20 ft f feet down. They went down another 47 ft and all the water like crazy, but not doesn't usually happen. So, they're usually 4 or 500 ft
depth. Sometimes they're deeper, but that's about the average that I see from the houses that we do in this area. Surely, as I say, mine um here in North Water is 3 to 400 ft. So, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's about what it is. And again, see the other guy. Not to beat a
dead horse, but everybody, oh, you're going down three or four. What are you going to do with all the dirt? It's like only this big. So, it's only a little bit of dirt that comes out of that hole. So, absolutely. Okay. I'll make the motion. Do it. I'll make a motion to Well, do we do we close
the meeting first? Sorry. I'll make a motion to close the meeting. the meeting on number 41 Turner Street. Second. Second. All in favor? I. Okay, it's closed.
You can make a motion. Motion to um to what do I want to say? To an amended order of conditions. It's an amended order of conditions. Um recommended by Caitlyn conditions 1 2 3 and four of
the recommended conditions on the sheet. Can you for number one for I'm sorry for number 41 Turner Street. I didn't know there was a D number. D number 240-0596. Oh, it's actually Sorry. It's uh 0667.
I'm sorry. As Caitlyn specified, it's 240 dash 667. 667. Okay. See, it's Adam's looking I see it down here. I was looking up here.
Okay. Adam seconded it, sir. I know. Why? Okay. All in favor? I I opposed. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank everybody. It was a good discussion. It
was It was very good. It was No, no, it looks like a good project and minimum damage. And we're going to do everything we can. And you have a really good builder in Dave McCree. He's been around a long time. And we hope you get water.
Yeah. Easily at a shallow depth. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Good night. Good night. Okay, we want to close the 19 King Phillip Trail.
See that? Thank you. You're welcome. Of course, there's nobody here. 19. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they might be, but um so I do have some pictures for this. Yes. So, they uh the homeowners
representative reached out um to set up a final inspection out there which I uh conducted on May 5th. Um and you can see from the photos um there was a fair amount of uh vegetative
cover out there on that that peninsula um and river. Um, it I was told and I was able to verify that they've actually seated multiple times out there. You could It's hard to tell from the pictures, but
there were definitely multiple ages of of grass out there. Um, the erosion controls were in in good shape. Um but I think at this point um the commission could consider
rescending the enforcement order and having them them remove the the erosion controls out there and kind of let it um even out. Um so if you all remember this area floods pretty frequently um as it
is like a peninsula into into river. Um, I think the soil that that's out there um will hold up well and overall they did um a good job removing the field that they had placed out there.
You satisfied with it? I am. Yeah. From what I'm seeing here, I mean, they're going to probably rip open those silt socks and just leave the material there. Spread them out. Yeah, it's spread the material with some old material. Move the fence and the material the rest of the fabric and that's fine. Yeah. As long as they
understand they cannot go out there, put picnic tables and act like it's their backyard. It's not. Yeah. Seated and learn that lesson already, but hopefully they have let them know we'll be back.
Okay. So, you okay if we resend the order? I am. Okay. I make a motion we resend the order of enforcement order on 19 King
Phip Trail. Is there a second? Here go a second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I opposed. Okay. That one's
done. Uh, I guess the minutes aren't ready. Correct. Correct. Yeah, we just have a few seconds before the of minutes. Never mind. I got I got the joke.
Okay. Um the registry of deeds, how much fees were collected? Do you know? Like 47,46. Yeah, I forgot now. Somewhere around there. I got a I got a lovely letter
from the deeds office. Why? Says how much they corrected in this in the county. Why? I don't know. They just felt I had to have it. you'd asked the question. Um, okay.
And yes, your report. Um, the lead still legion. Oh, great. One. I'm glad we have this communication line where DPW I drive by it and check it out. There.
We can't disconnect. It's been pumped. What the line of communication? Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Um I it's probably from when the landfill was first established cuz it's within buffer zone. The leech is from
the old landfill. It was back. It was filled and covered over. It now has solar panels on it. Yeah. The rainwater net does leech through the through the the the surface of the lee old Yeah.
dump, I want to say, into a drain that runs into a containment tank or or concrete structure out back with a cover on it. So the rain water doesn't add to the leech and then is pumped as needed. And that's what these numbers are coming
from is that particular tank when it's pumped, it tells you how much was pumped out of it, too. Yeah, the picnic there. Okay. Um you briefly mentioned Comey Pond in the beginning before the meeting, but
they're working on it. Uh yes. So um I need to get um one more proposal for the installation of the um the aeration system there um and then we can
break ground on that project. Where are we with the um RFP that's out there? Uh that will be posted this week. Okay. All right. Being made May
um Al and Adam uh reinlist in June. I won't. I will be thinking about Would you like to Yeah, absolutely. I mean, if you guys want I know I'm an Allen. You just have to tell the select board,
correct? Uh, right. I believe so. You have to be reinstated, do you not? From Carol, if you decide to stay another three years. Yeah. Uh, maybe I believe you have to. And if you want to resign, you have to
go to the select board. I won't have to. You don't have to resign. Just don't renew. Do they do they still be by by June 30th? If I'm not renewed by June 30th, I'm done. Oh, no. We sent Paul out to your break your
kneecap. I'll find you. I'll break your kneecap. He's got to get past my dog first. You ever seen my dog? Why don't you come by somebody? You know, let I'll let you in. Getting out may be a bit tricky. Okay. Anything from the board you want
to talk about? Donna, anything? Uhoh. Uhoh. I'm going to use this one. Just um this is Monday and Wednesday is town meeting where they're going to be voting on North Park's portion to pay for cleanup
of Mirror Lake. Yes. Is there information enough? Has enough information been provided by the conservation commission and agent that you feel your your opinion is going
to be shared at town meeting? Um, we've talked about it. It's kind of the unknown because you don't know what's in that pile. Correct. From what I understand, we've we've already talked about with the friends of
Merill Lake the procedures to what to go and it's pretty much the first thing before the Army Corps of Engineers or anyone's allowed to dredge is they have to do those pilot holes and test. And even though it's a lot of money and seems like the amount of money we're
playing to have the holes dug for the pilot for the test should be amount of money it takes to clean it up. That's not the case. So, um I can honestly say in the past, um what do we have 13% of
Mirror Lake in Norfolk and we haven't spent 13% on the cleanup of Merill Lake over the past several years and they came to us probably three years ago um and asking to be part asking us to be
part of cleaning up Maril Lake. So, that's where this whole thing is. in good faith. It's I think important that you know they're doing the test holes. That's the next part that has to be done before it
can be dredged. We're we concur with the friends of Mirror Lake and what their action items are. Um we can talk to them and see if they want us to s get up and say the conservation commission and concurs
with their act action item. Have those test holes been done yet? Because that's the monies that we approved of for them to do the test holes. Has it been done? Do we know? No. So I this money that's being voted on
would be used to do the phase 2 sediment sampling. Um so the phase one sediment sampling they did take um a number of composite samples from the runthm side of Mirror Lake. Um this phase 2 would
would take um quite a uh good amount more samples throughout the entire lake um including the Norfick side. Um and as Jim is saying there's or I'm not sure who said it there right now there are a lot of unknowns. Um but it's we would
the commission would get another chance to look at it before it's the work's ultimately approved because they would need an order of conditions um to to take those samples um in the nor side. It's that type of work is exempt under
the wetlands protection act but not under our local bylaw. I think part of the like the etmology of that the lake in itself being a man-made block lake adds a lot of exactly what is underneath there and some areas they may
not want to disturb and I misspoke though I we town meeting is voting for that monies that we Yes or you guys approved I didn't but you guys did just want to make sure I made that a point to say so it's after town meeting when they get that money they'll continue to do
the sampling after July if they it's approved. Okay. Regards to the money and I appreciate you being tight with my tax dollars. No, I I do appreciate that's good looking out. My question is is the
13% of the total amount that they're looking for to uh obtain from Norolk. If it's 13% of the lake is on our property in Northalk financially. Well, that 13% Paul was for our portion
of the sampling. If the samples come back and there's no contamination and they're clean, I believe they're going to be coming back for more. Oh, yeah. And if if they're dirty, then it's even more and it's cats out. I didn't want to get I don't even know you. Yeah, but
rent them gets the first hit on that. Right. And we just back out 35,000 or whatever it was. Say you're on your own, right? But we're going to watch it. I But it will be if there is bad things. Yeah. They don't want to disturb it. Oh,
I'll bet. No, I'm familiar with it. And since it's a 21E and everything else, run off of uh off the road and things like that. Let's just hope it comes back clean. Let's say that. But if it does, we hope for the best. You guys are making me nervous.
That's why I'm thinking about my renewal next month. Come on. How many fish have you made out of? None. We had a commissioner that lives on the lake and he fishes them. Yes. I think he
throws them back though. CPC guy as well. Yes. Yeah. Everybody throws them back. There's some nice bass in that pond. Yeah. Okay. That's cool. Anything else? Then there's only one action item. I'll make a motion to adjourn the meeting.
Second. Peter Cook in the second. You hesitated. So you you want to talk about some more things? No, no. I I I stepped on your toes once. That ain't happening again. All in favor? I I post. Okay, we're
done. Thank you. Recording stopped.