All right, we're going to go ahead and get started. The dingings online stopped or slowed down. Um, welcome y'all. This is our North Texas EV infrastructure call for projects workshop. So, um, if you are virtual or in the room, hopefully
that is why you're here. That's what this meeting is. Um, so it's been a long time coming. Uh, we won this money from Federal Highway Administration a long time ago and we're really excited to finally have this call for projects opportunity open for all of you to apply. So with that, I am going to turn
it over to Jose Korea from the Kimbley Horn team and um, we've got a lot of content to go over with. So thank you and feel free to ask questions along the way. Thank you. Um, good to see everybody uh
this afternoon and my name is Jose Korea. I'm with Kimley Horn. Um, I lead the zero mission vehicle team out of Richardson, Texas. Um, doing work um related to mostly EV charging with a little bit of hydrogen as well throughout the country and um helping
NCT COG as the um uh EV deployment dream team for this caller project. So, super excited to be here. Um, like Lori said, feel free to interrupt me u as you have questions um either, you know, if you're in the room with us here today or um or
joining virtually. I think we can we can hear you. Um so, without further ado, see here, testing the clicker. Think I can. Having some tactical difficulty. Oh,
there you go. We're in business. Okay. So, the goal for today um is to understand the following. We're going to go through the basics of electric vehicle charging and just electric vehicles in general. Again, very quick overview. I'm going to pass
it back to the NCT COG team um for an overview of the um CF process that we'll be kind of going through. I'll give a general outline of the you know typical EV deployment timeline um from our uh
experience in the EV market and kind of talk through what that means for this particular project. And then uh we'll do like a a site design workshop. Um, so I'm hopeful that um we'll get some volunteers in the room to give me some addresses for us to go through in real time. If not, we've got
a a a dummy project to um kind of walk us all through an example site of the scope that we'll be helping you all with today. So without further ado, just going through the basics of electric vehicle charging. Um in terms of vehicles that are applicable for um for you know
considered electric um we've got this first hybrid electric um and for this CFP these um hybrids are really not benefited at all but just to give you a well-rounded overview of of the the whole market um hybrid vehicles don't
have um a plug-in option again why it's not included in the CFP um but does have a small electric uh uh a small electric battery that's powered from uh uh uh the braking mechanism on the vehicle. So the goal there is just uh you know fuel
economy um less reliance on the internal combustion engine for for short travel. Next you have plug-in hybrids. Um you may have these in your fleets um similar um to the um traditional hybrid where it does have that braking me mechanism. the
battery is a little bit bigger and then it does have that plug-in option. Um so you can use um slower chargers for that uh vehicle and then again um less reliance on an internal combust combustion engine that still exists within the car.
And then your fully battery electric vehicle. No internal combustion engine. Uh only a battery that that uh fuels the vehicle that gets the the main power source from either a you know plugged in source like the grid or an external battery.
So for the purposes of this CFP, the vehicles that will be using these charging stations are plug-in hybrids and uh fully electric vehicles. Next, we'll go into the charging stations themselves. There's a lot of information on this slide, so I'll just attempt to summarize it for you. We've
got three levels of charging. Level one, two, and three. Level three charging is um often referred to as DC fast. Um level one is is what I have in my garage for my electric vehicle. I didn't have to retrofit anything. And uh from an
electrical standpoint, um the charger came free with the vehicle when I purchased it. And uh plugs directly into the wall. So, uh, pretty small 1 kilowatt output. Um, maybe 2 to 5 miles per hour charge. Um, for me, my typical commute is 20 minutes from my from my
home to the office. Um, so it's perfectly from my standpoint, but um, not really not not a really good use for for out in the the open um, for for publicly available charging. So, not applicable for this um, coffer projects.
The next two are so you have level two charging which you know it's on the slower end 6 to 19 kilowatt output. Um that's at you know 10 to 20 miles per hour of charge. Um you know I equate this to um you know it's it's a nice to
have a good amenity that you see at um areas where people are going to be spending a large amount of time. So maybe a couple of hours. Um, so think your, you know, public libraries, um, parks, uh, um, you see them a lot in like large retail centers where people
might be making multiple stops. Um, again, you're probably not relying on this for a 100% charge, but it's still, uh, a nice top off situation. Um, and lastly, DC fast, much higher range of output. Um here it says up to
350, but now we're seeing um you know 400 kilowatt chargers and more. Um you know I'm typically tell people it's you know 30 to 45 minutes of of uh time to get up to 80% of uh battery charge. So,
when you're um driving long distances and using um a DC fast charge or just need um to get your vehicle um charged up uh in a you know emergency situation um really just looking at 30 30 to 45
minutes there um out in the wild. So, in terms of uh ports um you have typically two options. One is the North American charging standard that was developed by by Tesla and the other is used by by all the other vehicles. Um on the level two
end you have what's called the J1772. And then um to go from you know the level two charge of to level three there's an additional u port that's included to that J1772 to create the CCS port. Um that again differs from the the
Tesla um port. Um so you'll either f find one or the other. There are other um options, you know, like Chattamo, but it's it's largely been phased out of the electric vehicle market to date. Um last last thing on this that's that isn't
shown on the the slide. It's just cost. You between the three levels of charging. Um level one's pretty cheap. Again, mine was free. Um you know, you'd probably find one uh you know, out of 100 200 bucks
online or at a a manufacturer. level two chargers. Um you depending on the software capabilities of the charger and again the output because there is a range six to 19 kilowatts um you know you're looking anywhere from you know maybe 4 to $10,000 for the
actual charging station itself and then um there's um other costs associated with the um with the installation of that equipment as well. And then DC fast, you know, the on the lower output range, you're looking at probably, you
know, 50 to to $80,000. Um, and then on the higher end, you know, upwards of 100 to $150,000 for um the the higherend chargers there. Um, often those are are dual port as well. Um and then there's there's obviously um
you know additional um costs related to the infrastructure to um install those DC fast chargers that are that is much more expensive than than level two. I want to go ahead and just pause there. Are there any questions related to
electric vehicles, electric vehicle charging, how this relates to the CF? What's what's applicable? What's not? I'm happy to answer those now. hearing none. I think >> for those that are virtual um because there are quite a few of you, if you do
have questions, if you can use the raise hand feature, um that'll help us probably just keep up with things a little more orderly. >> Sounds good. Thanks, Lori. Um next, I'll turn it back over to the NCT cog team.
Hi everybody. My name is Jocelyn Billings. I'm an air quality planner here at the North Central Texas Council of Governments. And I'll be talking through some of the details on the cog side of this project. And again, like they said, please feel free to stop me if you have any questions. Um, put them in the chat. I'll stop after every section to see if there's any in the
chat or like Lori just said, raise your hand um on Teams and we'll get to your questions. Okay. Okay. So, first we wanted to go back and give some background on why we decided to do this project in the first place. So, um back when this uh opportunity was released, we
Okay, sorry that is distracting. Sorry. Um, okay. So, back in 2023 when this project was released, we talked to a bunch of our local governments, including a lot of you guys, um, to see how you guys wanted to go about this, how we wanted to go about this, and we decided that we would apply on behalf of
our local governments, um, and then uh, pass that money down to you guys. And as we were developing our application, we were looking at maps just like this one to see how we should um, tailor this. And as you look at this map, you can see the dark red is higher levels of EV
registration. And then all of the dots are EV chargers and they almost perfectly coincide throughout the whole region. So you can see um clearly the chargers are where the electric vehicles are and we don't know which one of those came first, but we knew that this uh grant opportunity was a way to do
something about one of them. So that's why we decided to focus this so um heavily on gaps in the region so that way we can fill in some of those empty spaces. So, we were awarded um back in 2024 $15 million from the Federal Highway Administration through the Charging and
Fueling Infrastructure Community Grant Program to build up to 100 publicly accessible electric vehicle chargers on public sector property within the 16 county NCT Cog region. Of that 15 million, almost 12 million is dedicated specifically to building EV chargers. um
a set aside of that uh money that is specifically forth, Palopinto, and Somerville counties is still pending federal highways obligation. Um but we're very optimistic that this will get approved. We again meet with federal highways pretty regularly and uh if you guys haven't heard um federal highways
uh national has now released their updated national electric vehicle infrastructure guidance. So we're seeing some movement on the electric vehicle side and the federal government. So we're very hopeful this will get obligated very soon. So, if you're in any of those areas, please uh don't be discouraged. Please still apply. Uh I
think this will still work out for you. So, any questions on the goal of the project? Um how we got here? Okay. Well, if you think of any. Okay. So, now I will walk through um all of the eligibility criteria for a project
funded through this grant program. So, first of all, eligible applicants include all public sector agencies. So this is cities, counties, transit agencies, school districts, and public universities and colleges. Again, any public agency. Eligible projects include
level two or direct current fast chargers or a mixture of the two as long as they're located on public sector property within the 16ount NCT cog region. We've heard a lot of interest from our local governments and also from residents here in locations such as
sports complexes, parks, libraries, uh um transit stations, things like that. Uh so anything is on the table as long as it's public sector. And then NCT COG will be paying for up to 80% of the initial deployment capital costs and then as well we'll be paying up to 20%
of the operations and maintenance cost with the remaining percentages to be covered by the electric vehicle charging station vendor. So those upfront capital costs that should come at no cost to the public agency and then maybe very minimal operations and maintenance costs.
So eligible costs for this program include really anything related to the charging, electric, and construction equipment that is directly related to the purchase and installation of the charger. This also includes some site improvements such as um lighting,
security cameras, signage, wheel stops, uh ballards, painting, uh things like that to improve the site. And again, we will be covering some operations and maintenance, including preventative maintenance and networking fees, but that 20% operations and maintenance funds will not cover any
additional warranties. And then there are quite a few requirements for this program because these are federal funds. Most of these come from the National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure Standards outlined in 23 CFR 680. I'll go through some of them on this slide and the next. And then there are some more that will be taken care of
by the EV charging station vendor through our request for proposals that you guys uh won't really need to worry about. So, first of all, each of these stations through this program will need to be able to charge at least four vehicles simultaneously. It will need to have dust to dawn lighting and comply with US Access Board design recommendations for electric vehicle
charging stations. There must be signage for each parking space, EV parking space. And it must be located on an existing parking lot as of the time of application submitt. So at the time that you submit your application, the area that you're submitting for must
currently be a paved surface. Addition in addition to this, stations are encouraged to meet or exceed energy star requirements for EV charging stations. Encouraged to install motion activated lighting to save some electricity cost there and to incorporate features that minimize grid impacts including charging station
management, battery storage, other resiliency features. Okay, some additional requirements uh depending on if you're going with level two or DC fast charge stations. So, level two stations will need to offer at least four J1772 connectors that Jose
showed us earlier. And each of those connectors will need to offer at least 6 kilowatts um simultaneously. So, this is four separate connectors that can charge four vehicles at the same time. For a DC fast charge station, you must offer at least four CCS connectors and four J3400
connectors. So this doesn't mean eight charging stations, eight, this is or eight ports. This is still just four ports, but each of those ports has two connectors. So just two plugs at the end. And each of those ports, the four ports must offer at least 150 kilowatts simultaneously.
And for any locations that are within a mile of an alternative fuel corridor and specifically intended to serve users of that alternative fuel corridor, so people traveling through the community making quick stops. Those locations must be all four DC fast charge ports. Um so
you can't do the mixture of DC fast and level two there. And those ports must be accessible to the public at uh 24/7 year round. So again, this is specifically for um locations that are intending to serve users of the corridor. For other stations that are greater than a mile
from an alternative fuel corridor or intended to serve um users of the facility or um people in the nearby community, these ones may be a combination of level 2 and DC fast and they only must be operational at least the same as the hours of operation of the facility. So like if they were here
at COG and we were open 8 to 5, the charging station would have to be open at least 8 to 5. Of course, it could be open more than that, but at least the operation hours of the facility. So, some uh requirements related to the project. We have already received National Environmental Policy Act
clearance for the uh stations through this project. But that means any um submitted locations must comply with that clearance that we received. So, this includes again that construction and installation being on an existing paved surface. The excavation must be
less than 5T. This is five feet straight down and no non- landscapable vegetation may be removed or disturbed. So if it's ornamental bushes or something like that, that's okay. If it's, you know, 100-year-old oak trees, probably not. And then if there's any
locations um that have a structure 45 years or older, there may be a need for addition an additional survey to determine eligibility through the Texas Historical Commission requirements. and NCT Cog will require certification that all permitting, zoning, and code requirements have been met prior to
distributing reimbursement. So, this is something that our uh dream team, Kimley Horn, can assist you guys with. And for property management, it is required that grant recipients must utilize and maintain the equipment consistent with the goals and objectives of the project for at least 5 years from
the initial date of operation. Additionally, uh, grant recipients must receive written authorization from NCTC COG for any disposition of equipment. So, this is you get rid of the equipment, you sell the equipment, you replace it, take it out of service, anything like that. And if that
disposition exceeds $10,000, it may require the recipient to return all or portion of the grant funding to NCT COG. This is something that we'll be um working with you guys and monitoring through the reporting requirements that Jared will go over with you in a little bit.
So, any questions on uh any eligibility criteria? Okay. But I can't see it. Could you can you read it? Initials are VO. >> That's Yeah. Vince Olsen with the city of Dallas. >> Hi, Vince.
>> I I think I cut me or cut out or whatever you were. There was a commitment to 247 to be available to the public. What What was that specifically for? That was for the charging stations. >> Yeah, that's only if the charging station is within one mile of an
alternative fuel corridor and specifically intended to serve users of that corridor. So, this is if you're kind of building this to serve as sort of like a gas station kind of thing as opposed to like serving people that are coming and visiting and spending time in the community. So, this is specifically
a community grant. So, um while those are still possible, we are um specifically intending this to be more for community charging. Um so, unless you really want it to be a corridor charger, it's unlikely that you'll need to comply with the 247 requirement. I mean, obviously you can if you'd like,
but um again, it's a very specific requirement. Yeah. So, for as an example that might be applicable to a city, like if you have a city visitor center that's adjacent to a highway and you're like, people are driving into my city,
grabbing visitor information, and they're they're going to keep going down the highway, that might be something that's construed as it's intended for corridor users. It's it's people who are driving through as opposed to a library that really the people who are going to the library are people who are like
residents or >> businesses that are in your city. They're not people who are just passing through if that clarifies anything. >> So, so like we have an internal fleet and so it's not applicable for our city
use vehicles only. >> It has to be open to the public. >> Okay. loud and clear. I got it. >> It's all I was looking for. >> Now, you could have like over like Jocelyn said, if you have a facility like if your library is open 7 to 7 to
the public and then it's closed overnight, those chargers could be for fleet use only overnight. So, there may be ways that you can balance some of that. >> Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you. And also on the alternative fuel corridors, because we've gotten this question a lot, there's there's not many of them. It's a highway that is designated by the Federal Highway Administration as an electric charging corridor, which is basically US75 and the interstates. And
right now, that's it. >> Got it. >> Thank you. Anybody else have Yes, ma'am. If you'll click on your microphone, there's a little picture of like a person talking and it'll turn on.
>> Um, as far as the location for the charging stations, do we need to be concerned about like distance for the transformers like the larger transformers that are able to carry the level three chargers or anything about
how far that distance is? >> You got it. Okay. >> Ah, there you go. As often as I am in this room, um, just to, um, make sure I understand the question. The question was, you know, how far can a charger be from an
electrical source? >> Right. because we've looked at doing some charging stations in places and one of the considerations that we've had to consider as far as cost is the distance from where that uh transformer is that will carry the level three and the
parking spots that we want to use and you know doing the um borrowing under the ground and everything be costly. So do we need to take into account or basically we just are applying for where we want the
charging stations and then the other as far as where that source of electrical from the transformer is coming from that will be determined later. >> So that's part of what um my team will help you with. So, we'll look at each individual site and kind of run through
those cost metrics and the design, I shouldn't say design, conceptual design of um what's going where and what it might cost to for you this this location versus another. And then we'll also work with the utility on um you either you
know doing a new transformer or relocating or you see what's most cost effect for them. um cuz Encore will will have certain credits related to um EV only um transformers. So that may you know kind of balance things out but we're we're here to help you with do
that >> and and y'all coordinate with onord >> correct >> that part as well not responsible for it. >> Uh correct. >> Okay great >> and Jocelyn's going to talk about selection criteria as well and that will help I think.
Was there a byamerican component to this uh in terms of the chargers? >> Yes. So this is federally funded. So it um is subject to all federal requirements including Build America by America.
But but we will be conducting the vendor procurement on behalf of the public agencies. So um that is something that you guys don't have to worry about. We'll be worrying about that for you. I'll talk about that and so will Jared in a little bit. Okay. >> And yeah, like um that was a great
question. Should be more clear. Kimly Horn um is our deployment dream team. They are here to help you guys with any technical questions like um distance to the transformers, anything like that. Um he'll talk about it more later, give you a good example, but we procured them again on behalf of you guys to help you
with anything that you might need developing your application and after you're awarded. So he'll talk about that more, but yeah, they're here for anything that you guys might need. So are we. >> So you got one more question from Damian in the chat. Um, let's see. Asking if
it's possible to use multiple placement location options for a single application site, how it would reflect the center application. Um, for example, there's a college campus may have two potential location options and being central located at the front of the buildings or um at a college entrance
directly off US 67. Um, so I'll get into this a bit a little bit Damian um on my portion of the presentation as far as what the application process looks like. Um, but you can submit as many sites as you'd like. So if they have individual addresses, um, you can do as many as you'd like for your application with us. Um, but as far as considering multiple
sites at the same address, which I might be understanding is what you're asking there. Um, I think Kimley Horn can help out with that process. Um, you can do the coordination with them to determine what is the best um, potential location on Y's property. Um, but I don't know if Jose, if you want to add anything to that.
>> Um, I'll I'll get into some of that with uh, want to get to the next section. >> Okay. Thanks. Great questions. Okay. Now, I'll walk through the scoring criteria. Um so first I'll give just a quick overview
of the four criteria. So the first one is areas with insufficient charging. This will be worth up to 60 points. Again like I said this whole project um our big goal is filling in those gaps in the region. So that is what this uh criteria is getting at. Our second one
is areas with potential demand. This one is worth up to 20 points. Our third is public engagement worth up to 10 points. And the fourth is feasibility and risk worth up to 10 points. And then this last one also has a component called the fatal flaw analysis that will be conducted by the deployment dream team.
Um if you're working with them to develop your application, they'll likely do this with you. If you um submit without their assistance or with the assistance of another consultant, they'll conduct it after you submit. Um, this is just to see if there are any huge red flags, big things that we need to look out for that may impact the um,
possibility of the project uh, getting to completion. And I'll talk a little more about this and Jose will as well later. So, the first one, areas with insufficient charging, again, worth up to 60 points. So, for this, you will be earning points if the location is a significant distance from the nearest
existing charger or the nearest plan charger. So for this, we're looking for locations in rural or low investment gaps. So if you'd like to see maybe um your potential locations, you can check on the alternative fuels data center station locator. This is also where
we'll be getting our data when we're analyzing this criteria. And if you see any stations on here that maybe no longer exist or there stations that do exist that aren't on there, please send us an email. We work with uh the Department of Energy to keep this updated. So if you see anything wrong or
missing or anything, please let us know so that way we can have the most accurate data as we're analyzing this criteria. So the second part of this one is chargers that are nearby do not serve the area's needs. So this is maybe there are chargers nearby um but they aren't
publicly accessible. maybe they're too slow under that six kilowatts or 150 kilowatts. Um maybe they're low capacity like maybe it's just one single port or maybe they don't even work. So we will be taking those things into account as we're looking at the previous criteria
um previous part of this criteria um and discounting those as nearby chargers. This will also include um us looking at the location census tract and we'll be looking for census tracks that have a higher ratio of vehicles compared to chargers. So, and that's relative to
surrounding areas. This is kind of our way of future proofing this. So, we're just looking at the total number of vehicles within the census tract compared to the charging stations. So, if there are a whole lot of vehicles in the census track, even if they're not electric and barely any charging stations, at some point, as we've been
seeing, those vehicles do electrify. So, there is a future need there that we're trying to meet with this criteria. And then the last one here is current chargers are not enough to meet expanding population or economic activity. So maybe your charging station is part of a big downtown redevelopment
or um it's near a new big housing development. Um something that's going to bring in a lot more visitors, a lot more economic activity or a lot more residents in your area where you're seeing a need in the near future. So, some potential attachments here to um include with your application are
economic development forecasts, population growth forecasts, um anything like that. And I should mention as I'm going through these that a lot of these are really just examples of types of things that we're looking for. Um if you if I'm saying these things and something else is popping into your head, please um you can submit anything that you
think would support um these criteria for for your uh location. This isn't like a specific list of requirements and attachments that you have to submit. So the second one is areas with potential demand worth up to 20 points.
For this, we'll be awarding points for locations that can serve as a multimodal hub. So this is if the location can serve users of another mode of transportation. So maybe it's at a transit stop or maybe it serves rid share users or PE um rid share users
taking people to the airport. Maybe it's um at a park or a hiking trail. Um it's enabling people to access another mode of transportation. This also includes uh universities, colleges, schools or hospital campuses um where people often use other modes of transportation.
Another area here where you can earn points is if the charger will have some shared use with fleets. So this is if fleets are operating in the area and they have communicated to you that they're interested in using this charger, they want to use this charger, um something like that. This also
includes if the AY's own fleet is interested in using the charging station. And if this is the case, we highly recommend that the agency adopts NCT COG's clean fleet policy. Um, if you're interested in this or need have any questions or need any assistance, please contact us. We'd love to work with you on this. Um, and again, here
some great potential attachments would be those communications or commitments from fleets in your area saying that they want to use the site. um maybe something from your agency saying your agency fleet wants to use the site that clean fleet policy or even as we've discussed it some of these others um
maybe interest from employees at the site saying that they would like to use the charging station. So our third one here is public engagement worth up to 10 points. So for this you'll be earning points if the location is near sites recommended by the general public. So, for this one,
we'll be looking at comments on the Texas Department of Transportation interactive map and seeing if those comments are on or near the sites that you're proposing. And um this is open, this has been open for quite a while. We try to publicize it as much as we can. And please also feel free to publicize
this. Ask your residents to go and leave comments in your city where they would like to see charging stations to try and help you get points for this criteria. The second one is if the location type reflects the preferences of the general public. So for this, we'll be looking at public opin opinion and industry
research to see if either of those has indicated that the type of location you're suggesting is preferred by the public. So this can be shown by um areas with high traffic like we are at um a Plano library. They had a sign outside saying that they'd had over 300,000 books checked out. You know, something
showing that there's high traffic to the site that you're proposing. Um that it's in proximity to amenities or community destinations. And a lot of this industry industry research, we've been seeing that people much prefer charging stations that are near a bathroom or food or are covered or something like
that. So, we'll also be looking at some more of those published studies and we'll be looking at local outreach. So, we have done a bunch of local outreach, especially this last spring to ask people what types of charging station locations they would prefer. We have the poster that we've been using. It's in the back. I'll also show a picture of
the results here in a second. And we have a virtual version of this survey on our website that's linked here. So you can also send your residents to that page, ask them to fill out the survey um and vote on what types of locations they would like. And that's another way for you to get points here. And again, I'll
show a picture of that in a second. The third one here is if the agency has collected any information that shows public interest. So maybe you've done your own outreach about EV charging station locations and you've seen uh interest in specific sites or types of sites um anything like that public
comments um anything that you have collected. So some nice attachments here would be any public engagement e efforts that you have conducted or any communications from residents saying that um they would prefer this type of charging station. So here on the left is a screenshot from
that text.interactive map. Um it's really small but that's our our region. And those are all the comments that are left. If you go to the link on the last slide, you can go here and zoom in and see what all the comments say. And again, please send this link to your residents, ask them to add comments. And then on the right here is the graph of
what we've collected so far from our public outreach poster on the types of locations that um people prefer. Um so we we we sorry we'll leave that survey open through the end of the coffer projects uh schedule. So that'll be open until October 31st and then
we'll take the rest of that data from the website and add it into what we've collected so far. So the last one here is feasibility and risk. This is worth up to 10 points. Um this is where something like that um proximity to nearby power will come into
play. So the first one here is if the applicant demonstrates some level of project readiness. So a huge and easy and free way to earn points for this is to work with our deployment dream team. they will help you um develop your application, select the best sites, um
do all that coordination work. But if you're working maybe with another consultant or you've developed these sites as part of maybe a previous application to another charging and fueling infrastructure um opportunity or some other opportunity that also works as well. We just want to see some sort
of um high high level planning of the project. This will also include if there are any strategies to drive utilization. So this will include things like we talked about in one of the last criteria, those fleet commitments, um interest um from the public through that public engagement, um maybe interest
from the employees of the site. Just anything showing that people are interested in using the site. And the last one here um is if the project will be able to meet the goal of completed construction within one year of um contract execution with NCT Cog. So this
is just a goal for us. Um we're hoping all of these charging stations can be built within one year of whenever we execute our contract with you. Um Jared will be going through the contract a little bit later, but again that year doesn't start until we have started working with you. And um this is not
disqualifying by any means. This is just a goal. So if you have um any other um circumstances that would cause this to take a little bit longer than a year, um please just include why you think that might be. And again, that's not disqualifying. Um just a goal. The second area here is if the location
includes measures to mitigate station damage or inoperability. So this is um analyzing things like if the station is located in a flood plane, if there's proper drainage, if it's um flat um things like that that make it safe. And the second one here is also
safety issues. Um this is having dusted on lighting, security cameras, on-site employees, anything like that that'll make the person um charging there feel safe. And the last one here is if it incorporates resiliency features such as backup power, um grid integration, uh
solar panels, anything like that. And then the last area for feasibility and risk is if the applicant has coordinated with the applicable utility. So this is you receiving some sort of assurance from whatever utility in the area that they can service your site. Again, this
is something that Kimley Horn is happy to help with. Um and this isn't asking for like a full detailed project plan. This is just the utility saying, "Yeah, we could do that." So, some good attachments here would be those utility letters saying that they can serve the site and um if the site is included in
any agency or facility uh development plans or maybe previous applications, things like that. And then that one last thing is the fatal flaw analysis that Kimling Horn will be uh conducting for each individual location. So they will be analyzing items such as that location
and availability of power on site and the coordination with utility. They'll be looking to ensure that this is occurring on an existing paved surface. They'll be looking for flood planes and if there are any risks for um delays in the schedule or maybe going way over the
the budget or any other feasibility concerns that we or you guys would need to be worried about. So any questions on any of the criteria that I just went through? Okay. Well, if you think of any, we'll still be monitoring the chat and I will
now be turning it over to Carolyn Burns for a little commercial break. Hi everyone, my name is Carolyn Burns. I'm an air quality planner on the same team as Jocelyn and we just wanted to take a quick recess from talking about the grant to speak on some related
initiatives. So this first one is about code adoption recommendations. So our NCTCOG executive board along with the approval of the regional codes coordinating council encourages the adoption of the 2024 international codes and regional amendments. There are tons of benefits
to adopting these codes including uh reducing the variation of building codes and promoting standardization across the region. uh especially from the developer side, it's really beneficial for them um say if they have various project sites in neighboring cities, if there is
regional consistency of codes, then they won't have to go through the weeds of each local code variant. Um some other benefits include simplifying the construction process, advancing the safety of building systems, promoting common code interpretations, facilitating the mobility of contractors, and reducing training and
construction costs. Um, another note I'd like to make is that if your city has adopted uh an older version of the code, say 2012 or 2015, those older codes don't mention or have specific requirements for EV charging stations,
but these newer uh codes do include technical and manufacturing requirements for EVSSE. Uh, so for more information, you can visit the website that's on the screen. And then for technical assistance, you can contact Randy Plumley, who is the energy code manager
at Spear, which is the South Central uh partnership for energy efficiency as a resource. Another program I'd like to mention is Charging Smart, which is a technical assistance and national designation program that awards cities based on the
actions they take to become more e more EV ready. uh mostly that involves streamlining their administrative policies. So uh plan the planning, permitting and inspections of EVSSE. Recently the city of Arlington has achieved bronze designation and Tanner
is over here in the room. So congratulations to him and the city of Arlington. That's awesome news. Uh we have a few other cities progressing towards designation which is awesome. Uh but really we wanted to mention this program because if you are interested in
this EV turning grant then you may also be interested in streamlining your city's permitting and zoning process for EVSSE to make the this grant implementation uh quicker and easier for city staff and developers alike. So
please email us if you are interested. And now I will pass the mic off to Jared. Thanks. Thank you all. I'm Jared Wright. I'm a senior planner with the North Central Texas Council of Governments and I'll be kind of wrapping up our portion of the presentation today, but of course we'll
be available for any questions. Um so first steps here on actual application submission and implementation. Um so you can see here um our website ncccog.org charging grant. That's where you find all the documents that we're referencing today that we built this presentation off of. Um, so we have this call for
projects guidelines there and we also have our FAQ document where we'll be updating that regularly with questions that we receive. Um, so make sure to check that. We hope to update that about once a week. Um, so we should have an update soon with questions that we've got from this workshop and then a few other workshops that we had last week. And also on the website you can find an
intent to submit form. That is optional, but that entitles you to a reminder two weeks before the application deadline uh to submit your application. But that also is helpful for us to help us understand how many applications we expect to receive and how many sites we expect to receive. Um so welcome you all to complete that. And then we also have
an email there for Kenley Horn and Associates. Um like Josa mentioned, Jose will get into more of it in his presentation, but they have free assistance that we've procured through this project. Um so we have an email for them there to get started with that process with them as well as an intake form. And then of course the actual application is available there for you
all to review. Now, um, so I mentioned this briefly earlier, but the application that you see on the website can be downloaded and submitted with three locations, but there's no limit to how many sites you can submit. So, you have an additional project activity details form that you can download. And on that form, you can add in as many sites as you'd like. So, the first three
in the application and then four, five, six. If you have three more, you can download again site 7, 8, 9. Um, so we just ask for an additional attachment of that form for every site that you'll have beyond the initial three. and some other required attachments with the application. Um, photos of each proposed
site, conceptual single line diagrams, which Jose and his team at Kilme Horn can help with, and then some recommended attachments. Um, Jos went through these earlier, the correspondence from the utility, a signed copy of the clean fleet policy, especially if you're expecting your fleet to use, um, the site, and then any other documentation
supporting the scoring criteria that Jos went through. And then last year, most importantly, the deadline. We must have all application packets physically in hand by October 31st, 5:00 pm uh Friday. Um so happy Halloween. Please have your applications in. These need to be in
hand either a flash drive or paper form. Um for now we are doing it still in hand, but through this project we're also starting a new electronic submitt process through bidnet direct. So this is optional but it's encouraged for you to also submit through there. Um, this allows us to prove that we can actually
submit these or receive these electronically and so we can use that for our future calls for projects. Um, so we'll encourage you all to submit electronically as well. Uh, but for this project, we do still need them in hand uh by 5:00 p.m. Friday, October 31st. And encourage you all to submit it early if possible as well. Um, so we can begin
reviewing your application earlier. And here's a plan project schedule. Um, so this opened a few weeks ago, July 25th after our executive board approval. And then like I just mentioned, it'll be open some time now to make sure y'all can get all your approvals and put together great applications for us deadline of October 31st. And then we
expect to make award recommendations public with the first um agenda posting for our surface transportation technical committee. Um that's our technical committee here within the transportation department um November 26, 2025. And then we expect them to recommend those awards to our regional transportation
council um January 23rd, 2026. Um, so we going to our committees for information at the end of this year and then early 2026 receiving that approval on those awarded applicants. And we expect to receive that final approval February 26, 2026 from our executive board. And as
soon as we get that approval from our executive board, we expect to start working with y'all on agreements and have those executed as soon as we can after that and also finish the procurement of the charting station vendors that I'll get into more in a second. And then enter contract with those vendors again early 2026 as soon as we get all these approvals in place.
And then like Josa mentioned, we have a goal of having all these projects fully implemented within a year of that agreement execution with the awarded public sector agency. Before I move on to expectations for awarded projects, um any questions on application submission or
implementation? All right. Um so walking through some of the next steps here for those that are awarded and are implementing projects. Um, here's kind of an organizational chart of how this will flow. Um, just so we're all on the same page. Um, so kind of going counterclockwise here, starting from the top at NCT Cog, we have
procured Killing Horn Associates as we as we've talked about to help with this project. And at the end of the project, they also be reporting the findings to us on um, exping implementation and how the project has um, gone for them and this overall final report. Um, but most importantly for public sector agencies
that are applying, they're available to help y'all in your application process. And then also post awardees, we'll be able to help them with expediting site design and deployment to make sure we get these on the ground as fast as possible to meet that one-year implementation goal. And those public agencies will be selected obviously
through this call for projects process. And then we also will be looking for yall's input on the vendor RFP that we'll be conducting. And I'll go into more details in a second. And then the public agencies will be the ones contracting with the vendors that we will procure on behalf and then working with the vendors to implement those
sites. And like I mentioned, we are procuring those vendors uh through a request for proposals. So some more details here on the vendor procurement. Um like I mentioned, this will happen as soon as possible following um completion of awarded applicants and receiving those um
confirmations from our executive board. Um, so some elements they're looking to include in the procurement. We're looking for feedback from the awarded applicants on what they want to see. Um, but some things that we're already thinking of, any specific features that are needed um by those awarded applicants. Um, any resil resiliency elements they all would like to see. Um,
separate metering of charging stations, uh, revenue sharing options with the host public agency to help cover some of those electricity costs, especially for say DC fast charging stations that may have increased costs. Um, and then operations of maintenance to maintain the stations, do preventative maintenance, things like that. Um, and
then anything else, we welcome yall's feedback through this entire process of what y'all would like to see in this RFP. And then again, we will conduct that RFP on behalf of awarded public sector agencies um to make sure that all these meet those federal requirements that Joselyn went through earlier and to make it easier for y'all so you all
don't need to worry about doing the procurement yourselves. Um, so anyone that's awarded through this process of the call for projects will have the opportunity to provide input on that request for proposals and anything y'all would like to see there. And then we'll also be able to participate in the consultant selection committee. We'll be looking for a few of you all that are
awarded um to help us select these vendors. Um, so again, this is looking for multiple vendors most likely. Um, so the awarded public sector agencies can choose from the vendor they would like that best fits their site and their use case of who they would like to implement. and walking through the implementation
process here. Um so starting with construction installation. Again, this will be constructed by the vendor of the awarded public agency's choosing. And at that point, the public agency will assume ownership of the station. And then we'll move into the 5-year operations and maintenance period. And this is where any additional costs that
aren't covered by the grant may be expected to be incurred by the public sector agency. Um we expect this will be minimal um because this grant structured in such that very little funding should uh come out of the pocket of the awarded public sector agency. Um and again these have to be operation operational for 5
years and the vendors will be answerable to the public sector agency for that entire 5-year duration um to make sure these are meeting those reporting requirements um and also those performance requirements of 97% uptime uh per 23 CFR 680 and Kimley Horn
Associates will be available um to help guide all parties not just for the application but again through this implementation process um to help get these stations on the ground and running and operating smoothly. And then after that 5-year ONM period, the public agency obligations end. So if you all want to rip it out after that five years or change it to a different network
provider, um that's when y'all uh will have the opportunity to do so. Um or if you'all just want to keep it going same as before, um obviously you're welcome to do that as well, but you're only obligated through this award for those five years. And so some more details here on that contracting and what that will look
like. Um so we are expecting the charging station vendor to pay the 20% non-federal share as mentioned earlier. um that was structured within the CFI community program um that it is expected the private sector will pay the non-federal match and also that way they're allowed to um recover return on
investment for these charging stations. Um so we don't we don't require these to be free. Um the charging station vendor is allowed to charge for them because they are paying that 20% non-federal share and through the contract with the awarded public sector agency. The public sector agency will pay the vendor the
80% and then that portion will be reimbursed by NC Cog as the federal share. So the awarded public sector agencies will have to front that 80% federal share for the initial installation costs and then NCOG will reimburse them and that reimbursement does not have to be a onetime lump sum. That's an option as well. Um but we can
also do reimbursements as frequently as once a month uh for the awarded public sector agencies. And for the on&m phase this will be exactly the same except those percentages will be flip-flopped. Um so vendor will pay 80% of the onm cost and the federal share will pay 20%. But
again no cost to the public sector agency um with the way this is structured. And then one of my last slides here is reporting. Um so just the reporting requirements should be pretty minimal to the awarded public sector agency. Um but there's a couple here that I want to make sure y'all are aware of. Um so the
project status report if yall are awarded we are expecting a monthly report on progress of the station. um what the construction is looking like, what the timeline is looking like until final reimbursement is issued. Um so that will be the responsibility of the awarded public sector agency. And then after that there will be an annual asset
management report on the usage condition um and location of the grant fund equipment to make sure um that everything is square there and that's uh due to those federal property management requirements until those are fulfilled also by the public sector agency. And the most robust reporting requirement here will fall on the charting station
vendor. These are required through 23 CFR 680 that Jocelyn mentioned. Um there's a lot of data reporting requirements through there for these stations since they are fedally funded. This is all through the electric vehicle charging analytics and reporting tool or EV chart. Um so there's detailed
information required there on number of charting sessions uptime any outages maintenance costs. Um, so we expect to make template reports available and we expect to include an RFP that the awarded vendors um will have to complete this reporting requirement and then we'll submit that to us at NCD COG for
approval and we will submit to federal high administration. Um, some of those vary, some of those are quarterly, some are annual and there's a few of those that are one-time. Um, but the awarded public sector agencies should not be touching these reports. Um, but they will have to hold the vendors accountable to make sure they're completing those and submitting that to
us at the council of governments. That's everything I had. I have our contact information here. Um, but I'll hand it off to Jose. Um, but before that, I want to make sure we don't have any questions on anything I just presented on. Okay. Yeah. There's one question in the
chat um from Don Jones. If we opt to use for fleet charging during evenings, do we pay the vendor for those charging hours? Yeah. So, those are things we'd like to see that um in the procurement for the vendors. So, that's feedback we'd like to have now from y'all on what you all like to see there. So, depending on the
vendor, there may be different options there. And so, those are details when it'll work out. Um but one thing we've talked about before is, you know, having fleet RFID cards um for the charging station so they can get a special rate or reduced rate to make sure that those fleets aren't paying, you know, the increased cost of public charging. Um
so, those are options that I think are definitely on the table and those are things we'd like to include in the procurement. Vince, >> this one. >> Yeah. Um, if if we see I mean it seems like it might be a little bit complicated. So we're already using
existing vendors and and and the the software element has really been the complication in almost all of this because every software vendor wants to have their own information and feedback and who owns the information
is all are all those details worked out? uh you know cuz if our fleet was going to char was going to char share charging with public charging but we're yet going to use yet another charging system and software integrating
that into our shop management systems or the vehicle's data. Have any considerations or have any of those things been worked out yet or is this uh this still kind of a new frontier? Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a new frontier, but I wouldn't say they've been entirely worked out either. Um, but
if there's specific vendors that y'all would like to see or specific, you know, integrations or compatibility, um, those are things we'd like to see in the procurement. Um, so those things that if you're awarded, we'd like to know about. Um, so we can know that, you know, y'all already have the system, you'd like to whatever is awarded through us to be
compatible with the system. And that's why we're hoping to procure multiple vendors. Um, so if y'all need to choose one that works best with your system, there's an option for y'all there. Um, but then if someone else needs something specific, they also have that option. >> Will APIs be included in something like
this between software? >> That's definitely something that we can put make sure we have in the RFP and we can work with who's ever awarded to make sure that we have the right language. Then >> there are requirements from the Federal Highway Administration um part of the 23
CFR part 680 that we're going to have to comply with. Um, requires what is it called? OCP >> open charge point protocol. uh which requires that um different vendors be able to access the different software systems. So, Kimley Horn is going to help us figure out exactly how to word
smmith everything so that when we do that vendor procurement, we are getting OCP compliance that is meaningful OCP compliance and not just in name. Uh so there is going to be a requirement on the vendor to make sure like
hypothetically we procure a great vendor everybody loves them but three years from now they get acquired by somebody else >> right >> everything should be procured in a way that that somebody else or some or some other somebody else is going to be able
to get into that software system that's the the purpose of that OCP compliance so some of those some of that accessibility ility and communication protocol um stuff is going to come from the feds and the requirements that we have to
adhere to, which is part of why we're doing that procurement on y'all's behalf because there's a lot that's baked in there and and some of y'all are probably equipped to navigate it, but some of you may not be and we don't want to put that burden on people to learn all of that very quickly. So, we will do that. Um,
but yeah, like Jared said, we want to know from y'all what are all of the things that we want to ask about in that RFP so that we get what are the different business arrangements for fleet access charging overnight versus public charging during the day. I think that's a great question that we can make
sure that we get answers to um so that y'all have options to choose from that work for your individual circumstances. Thanks. Any other questions before I pass it back to Kimley Horn? >> Thank you. >> I have a I have a question. This is
Melissa Baker with the city of Irving. Thank you guys so much for doing this. Um number one, thank you for um selecting a vendor um prior to this and number two, thank you for handling the procurement. I think some of our us OG uh EV installer cities um definitely
appreciate you guys taking over the procurement process um for those very reasons that you listed out. My question um actually is related to whether or not you're going to have a kind of a pre-application review period where if we're in a a city that's interested, we
could send it to you or to Kimley Horn or to whomever that you designate to review to let us know if our application is missing something or if there's a hole in something. kind of like a prequalifier before we submit. Is that is that going to be um is there gonna be an opportunity for that review?
>> Yes, for sure. Kimley Horn can help with that. And I believe if they're submitted early um that's why I empasize if y'all can submit them early, we can review them. Um so then that we can let youall know at that point as well if there's anything missing or any red flags that we see. Um so we encourage you all to submit early to make sure we have time for that.
>> Okay. Thank you. All right, we'll pass it off for one of the last portions uh from Jose again. Thank you. All right. So, we'll next talk through um what I'll call the typical EV deployment timeline and some of the
parallel processes um that are involved. and then um kind of go into what that means for this CFP process and what Kimley Horn is going to help um during that CF process. So here I've outlined you know the
overall typical process you have you know in an attempt to simplify this four parallel paths in which um you know lead to a um successful deployment project. So you have a path for the utility. You're you know you doing your initial
due diligence on whether or not you know it's feasible to connect to the utility where you connect whether you have the power available that you're asking for um and how to potentially you know bridge the gap between what you want and uh what is available. Um the utility
goes through a you know preliminary design final design. Um they have their own construction processes and inspections as well. um from an entitlement standpoint, same due diligence process. Um there's an education and strategy component depending on where you are in the
country. Um here, you know, there's there's going to be um a bit of a gray area because a lot of the um authorities having jurisdiction that you'll be entitling with will be the applicants. So hopefully some opportunities here to speed things up, but um you know, typically they'll handle permitting and
inspections related to that AHJ design. Um there's there's a number of you know different steps that can take a couple of different forms but what we've outlined here is you know an essential planning and feasibility
um section before it goes to actual concept planning and um you know peer review which we'll talk about here in a little bit u before you get through the actual full utility design from an on-site standpoint um uh finishing up from a from a punchwalk which I'll get
into more details later and then on the construction end you have the equipment procurement um the actual site construction commissioning and um operations and maintenance. So a lot of moving pieces part of the reason why um Kimley Horn is here today is to kind of connect the
dots between all these parallel paths um in an effort to have a streamlined process um for all the stakeholders involved. So for the call for projects ex itself I've uh you know drawn a red box here
around the scope of work that Kimley Horn is going to be directly um in charge of um for each applicant and uh what we're charged with with helping you all kind of go through. Um we'll talk about uh baton passed between our team
and um and the EV vendor once they're selected um throughout each of these processes. But um even even p once the baton is passed, we'll still be involved to um make sure that the the dots that we connected initially are um you know
being um uh leveraged and that we're able to continue to to expedite the process to uh to the uh to a fully operational station. Um so I realize this may be hard to read um if you're um looking at a computer
screen. We will take a a couple of slides to zoom in here and talk through this in detail. For those of you who are in the room, this is one of the handouts that we've provided um just to kind of go through the um um the initial legend as just before we dive in here. We've
split the phases into like a a light gray, medium gray, and dark gray. Light gray on the left is um the CFP phase. That's where we're currently now. the the the middle gray section is the vendor RFP stage. That's after um the
sites have already been selected and we're wrapping up procurement of the um remaining vendors. And then the implementation phase which will be once all the vendors and sites have been selected and we're moving forward towards towards construction um and um actual operation of the site.
And then um you know in terms of uh the the green versus blue, blue is just um you know tasks that are either in progress or have yet to happen and green is what's already been um completed today. So as you can see here, just zooming in
on the call for projects and vendor RFP. Um you we're past July and into August. Um, as mentioned earlier, the call for projects will be open um through October 31st. And then there are a number of um
NCTOK specific approvals that'll need to happen between the close of that um the close of that call for projects and a a contracted site. Um while we are working with NCT Cog on you know presenting the
FL the the facts so that they can make an educated decision on which sites are actually um selected we'll be working with them on um releasing that vendor RFP as was mentioned earlier. Um so that that vendor RFP um will be open for um a
couple of weeks and then there will be a similar approval process um in there. the the intent is for that those once we have an idea um or a really good idea of which sites will be selected um to um try and get the those selected
applicants a chance to review that RFP as well so that they have um time to to chime in and you know flag any local red flags that that may be uh prohibitive. Again, I'm I'm going to go through a lot of information. Please feel free to to stop me midway if you have any
questions. Okay. So, the rest of this will mimic um what we saw on that first slide related to schedule. Um from a utility standpoint, um when we're working with you, the applicant, we are going to um do our initial due diligence on who the utility
is that's providing you power. Um you know, what it's going to take to go through their their process. For most folks, it's going to be Encore. I'll probably use them as an example here moving forward. But um uh you know we'll we'll contact Encore after we have um
you know the site feasibility component figured out and we have a conceptual site plan and single line diagram and work with them on determining power availability and um the the end deliverable there will probably end up being a willserve letter or um something in writing for you to include in the
application stating that you have contacted the utility and that you are in the process of uh coordinating um and By by you I mean Kimley Horn is going to take the the lead there. Um there will be a little bit of a gap
once we confirm power availability. Um um that'll make time for the actual selection criteria um and process for the the call for projects. Once those um sites have been selected, we will re-engage with the
utility and get them started on a preliminary utility design. So again using Encore as an example um they will prepare a utility design um for the the owner's approval and that'll come with uh an invoice. Um once that
invoice is paid um they they move forward with um with final design and then we start talking through easement documentation and um and other contractual languages to to either provide a you know a new electric service specific to your
chargers or upgrade your existing charger uh or sorry upgrade your existing um transformer service um to include those chargers. um that um again will take a couple months
just to coordinate. Um our plan would be to um ahead of time give you the applicant um those documents in advance so that you're ready to um sign when uh when the time comes and you're not having to to review um while we're we're
on the clock towards a a construction date. Um if the utility has to provide any you know upgrades offsite you know they will do that on their own accord with their own contractors and we'll just u make sure that those with that schedule is coordinated with their on-site
construction schedule and then um you know make sure that the inspections are coordinated accordingly with the on-site schedule as well. Next, for entitlements, again, we're we're going to do that initial due diligence um and um education and strategy. Now, our goal here is to get
through um the permitting and inspection process um with as little hiccup as possible, but it's also to connect some dots that may be um less tangible. In my experience, um in working with, you know, public sector clients who are interested in EV, there may be
disconnects in communication between departments. uh whether it be public works or economic development. Um those folks that maybe don't have a decision- makingaking power on the actual application but would either like to be kept in the loop or perhaps the installation of these chargers would,
you know, directly impact their their day-to-day operations if it's um on, you know, city fleet uh property or adjacent to uh you know, city operations. So, our intent is to connect a lot of those dots as early as possible. um really as soon
as we have a conceptual site plan so that we can bridge the gap um and you know attempt to keep as many people's uh as happy as possible um throughout the the process within your organization. Um in in my experience there is um at
least some disconnect between um the the department that's handling permits and then the the folks who are actually handling inspections on the ground after things have been constructed. So, our our goal would be to to um get those folks in the room and um outline a
concrete pathway to installed charging um equipment um so that there are no surprises during construction. So, um, zoom back in on the on the timeline here. Um, the due diligence portion will end with the close of, uh,
the CFP on October 31st, but the education piece will continue throughout. So, um, again, this is all services that have already been procured by NCTCOG and we're happy to help you with um, at at no cost to you. Um there will be a little bit of a gap after we
have the um vendors selected um before we go to permit. There's some design related aspects that'll need to happen. Um and then um you know the the process will end with inspections. Next we have design. So again um you
know our job will be to help you through the site selection criteria um that's alloc that's allocated in the uh coffer projects. We will um you know if you haven't already submitted an intake form, we'd be happy to provide you an intake form just for us to get a a set
of addresses as a starting point um with some baseline information of what you're looking for so we can set some expectations. Um you know just going for some of the the projects that or questions that we've gotten so far. There isn't necessarily a cap on the number of sites that you can move
forward with, but um we will help you on you know developing a strategy on number of sites and locations of those sites to um get the best bang for your buck in terms of um potential a potential winning application um for for the CF process. So, what
that'll look like, we'll you'll submit the intake form, give us the addresses, we'll take um about a week to develop a a test fit for each of those addresses. We'll set up a call with you to kind of walk through um potential options. We'll
in real time, you know, move blocks around on a on a on an aerial and and uh look through, you know, potential red flags from a desktop perspective. Once we have a a good level set on expectations, we'll visit the site um in
person. When we do so, it would be helpful to have um you know, somebody meet us on site. It it can be the you know direct applicant themselves but it would also really helpful to have someone with a set of keys to electrical equipment, panels, um transformer cages,
um so on and so forth just so we can get in account for your um existing electrical inventory and um you know attempt to find any additional red flags that may you know make the site cost prohibitive that wouldn't otherwise be
caught on an aerial or or Google street view. Um once we have that information, we will um take that and prepare a more formal conceptual site plan for you to have those conversations internally and um do what you need to do to you know get internal approvals. Um we'll also
prepare that single line diagram to talk with um the utility to uh confirm power availability as well. Um so the intent of this is to be very collaborative and not so much a transactional um relationship. So, the intent is for us to um give you some material to chew
on. We'll have a couple revisions and then um give you something solid to to go back to your teams um within your individual organizations and get approvals and um uh happy to also join in conversations um and educate folks on
an electric vehicle charging as needed. Um during the vendor RFP phase, there will be a gap um where we're, you know, there really isn't any design related tasks happening. But when we get to um you know, a selected vendor and selected sites, then the vendor will have an
engineer of record that will um prepare a design based on our concept plans and we will review those plans before it gets back into for official permitting and and inspections and construction. Um, I think I saw a question pop up from
online. Yeah, sorry I have to talk to you behind me. Um, Jane asked, "If an application is approved, is there a certain amount of time the funds would need to be spent by?" Um, I think that's a little bit more for us. Um, no, there is no obligation to
expend the funds. Again, we have that goal to build them within one year of contract execution, but there is no deadline um where the funds would go away. And then but there is there are points associated with project readiness in the
scoring criteria. So, if you're if you're submitting something to us and you're like, I don't plan to actually build it for four years, that's that's not really something that would score well in terms of project readiness. Um, but if you're just thinking, oh, it's going to take a while to get through the
construction process. I want a DC fast charger, and we know that takes time. Like, yeah, we we understand that. So, uh, there is a portion of the application that asks when you plan to go to construction. >> Good question.
All righty. Um yeah, moving forward, um once we get through permitting and and inspections, um Kimley Horn will do a final punch walk just to ensure that everything was built per plan and that um what was installed was uh you know
intended to be installed correctly. And then lastly, we have construction. So this obviously doesn't start until um you know after the um the the EV vendors have been selected. There's a long lead item that's that's a
you know potential depending on the mix of chargers that actually moves forward. Um so we we've allocated several months for equipment procurement. Um some of that may be related to you know transformers and other more expensive equipment. um that's just really just
market driven depending on when this actually moves forward. Um you know it's taken a couple different forms over the over the course of the years but um again our our job is to attempt to uh um identify those risks and um allocate it into the schedule as you seen and then
the actual construction timeline is is actually pretty short. uh we've allocated two months I think four to six weeks is um typical um depending on the the vendors that we've we select and I say we as NCT Cox selects and and y'all select
um you know that if if a a bunch of applicants end up going with the same vendor we may look at a staggered schedule but um the actual on-site installation itself doesn't take very much time and then um lastly you go into commissioning which is just you making
sure everything works as intended on the you know everything downstream of the meter um which um coincides with inspections and um our final punchwalk. All righty, I'll stop there. Are there any other questions related to what we've talked through so far and uh you
know schedule um criteria points Uh one question for Kimley Horn. Will you provide the deliverables with respect to um permitting, engineering, design
for um for these sites as a service outside of this grant or will the vendors be required to you know? Yeah, the vendors will be required to um um include that in their application. Kimley Horn is procluded
from being the engineer of record on on this specific program. >> Good question. We will provide conceptual drawings for for everybody to base their design off of. Um so we'll get you maybe 30% of the way.
Okay. So, we're going to see if technology will cooperate with us. Um, I'm gonna attempt to share my screen from Matt. >> There's a We've got another question in the chat about um small business or Texas um hub goal initiatives. Um so, that will be that would be part of the
vendor procurement. So, that doesn't really come into play in terms of the call for projects, which is really just focused on which local governments or which public agencies. I I'm sorry. >> My bad.
uh which public agencies are subreients and and where we build. Um the vendor procurement would be the place that we set goals around disadvantaged business enterprise and things like that. So that will be coming as as part of that upcoming RFP
and and we there will be goals in there. Any other questions before we move forward? Sounds great. So, uh the rest of this um time together is intended to be collaborative. In an ideal world, we have um some brave volunteers to to give
me an address to kind of go through in real time um you know what our you know initial scope would end up looking like. Um if I don't have any volunteers, I'm happy to go through um this example project. Um so um I I guess I'll just take a couple
seconds and pause if if anybody wants to volunteer. We have a volunteer in the room, >> but you just need an address, right? >> Correct. >> Okay. Um, so we'll just do our public library address at the city of McKini, at John and Judy Gay Library. So that'll be 6861
Elorado Parkway, Mckin, Texas. >> Oh, it's Colorado Parkway, right? >> No, El Dorado. >> El Dorado. Yeah. All right. So, here we are in McKini, Texas. Um, do you have an idea of the the type of chargers you're looking to
install and and about where on the site? >> Yeah, so we were thinking right by the library as one potential site. Um, in terms of types, I think we're open at this point whether it's level two or a DC vest. um I don't have a lot of expertise on that.
So open. >> Yeah. And the intent a lot of the information that we get will be, you know, varying degrees of of of uh detail, right? So that that's that's perfect. So if we're looking at this site holistically, I'm going to turn on
the roads layer here. We are right off El Dorado Parkway. City of McKini um sits right off of um US75. Um we're not too far away from um major corridors.
Let's take a look at before we dive into the actual site itself um the surrounding infrastructure here. So what I'm doing is go to the department of energy's um alternative fuel station locator public information. But what this will
do is just tell us approximately what's happening around us. So, it looks like we have um level two charging stations um about a.3 miles away at the
um Wonderland Academy. We've got some looks like that's Tesla specific. Uh Supercharger um pretty close by. >> Some level two charging stations at the Children's Health facility. Um YMCA.
If I could >> Oh, go for it. >> If I could jump in on that, Jose, a little bit um because I know Jose and Kimley Horn can't speak to how we would look at that as part of um scoring criteria, but but we can speak to that. Um like that that one Charger that's
only.3 miles away. It's at a Monasuri school. Um if you don't have a kid at that school, there's probably not a lot of purpose for you to go to that location. So that would be something that falls into Jocelyn's category of yeah, there's a charger there, but it's not really
serving the community need because there's not like a reason that people would go to that destination. So that's like an example of of what we would look at even though there's something very close that's perhaps not really fulfilling the need. >> Yeah. Yeah. Excellent point. Um and our
intent I guess I should have given this caveat before. Kimley Horn is not selecting the sites that are selected from the CFP, but what we can do is inform you based on our conversations and our understanding of the CFP to, you know, put together the best application
per site. Um, so that's that's a really good point. So that's really for for private use um that level two charging station. Not a whole lot going on um uh from a charging infrastructure until you get to the freeway. So um you said this was a
library, correct? Yes, that's correct. >> Okay, back to ear maps. So, in my mind, you know, I'm taking my kids to to the library. I'm probably spending a good amount of time
there. Um, probably a really good from a use case standpoint, level two charging makes a lot of sense. Um, I did see some additional like DC fast charging infrastructure like closer to the um closer to the freeway. So maybe that's a argument for for level two charging um
at this particular property. However, that's up for debate. You know, if if we you know, based on your experience see some demand for for um DC fast charging stations, then we might might consider it. But my initial recommendation would be level two charging. Um and you said
you didn't really have a preference on like where if this is located on site. >> Yeah, I didn't have a preference. I don't know if closer to the library end or I guess I would I don't know where the electrical unit is for this um site
yet. So, I'd have to find that out. But >> see if I can uh open up Google Street View here. Take a deeper look. Yeah, it looks like we have some electrical equipment. this road
electrical equipment like on the west side of the building. So, we'll have to take a look at that. >> Um, for level two charging, um, we will attempt to just tie on to the existing utility service. >> Okay. >> Um, and so, you know, that's where we would want to like take go inside and
actually take inventory of the existing electrical equipment. Um, open up panels and um, see what we have um, available in terms of space. Um, sometimes I'd say most of the time in my experience, if you just, you know, add another panel, the the service is already large enough
to accommodate a couple chargers. Um, much less expensive than having to go to the u to the utility and um ask for another service or an upgraded service. So, that'll be important to know. Let's go over here to Google Earth. Let me
recopy this address. Okay. Lucky. Yes. We can come right on in. >> Thanks. >> Okay. So, just a couple things I'm noting. What I'm looking for is um some of the the basics. So, where where are your transformers?
um you know where are we potentially pulling power from but also civil infrastructure. So I'm seeing a hydrant on the way on the way here. So there's probably a water line um under this fire lane potentially. Um I would ask you if you know you had asbuilts um or some
sort of record of of infrastructure so we can kind of take a look at that when we're planning out conduit routes. >> Um you've got this storm inlet. Okay. So that's something else we'd have to look through I believe. that transformer was potentially on the other side of this bush doing an
excellent job of screening. I can't see that at all. >> Um yeah, additional I mean additionally we've got this fire riser infrastructure there on the wall. So definitely something going on from from water over here. If we move closer to the parking stalls.
Yeah, seeing some additional storm. Um, on the positive notes, um, we've got lighting, which is great. I'm assuming those are on a timer, >> I believe. So, >> okay. Would you be okay if like I'm not seeing a a fence or anything surrounding the property. Would you be okay if this
is like a 24-hour parking situation for the chargers? >> I think that would be fine. I just have to clear it with our facilities over there. >> Yeah. part of part of what we'd want to just outline as a potential risk or um you something to flag internally while
you're while you're getting approvals >> that I mean we do have quite a bit of vegetation um on some of these parking islands. So we'll want to try and stay away from that along this center um drive here. No, I shouldn't say drive
all this landscape area here. There's there's less going on. So that may be a better opportunity just to again try and avoid some of the underground infrastructure that may uh cause for conflict um you know during construction. So if I go back to the aerial
I'd say as long as we stay away from this middle section here. >> Okay. >> Probably doing okay. And then related to like how close we are to this transformer assuming that we're um going to connect there. Um, yeah, I'd probably recommend like this initial
row here in terms of or probably over here. >> And we can kind of workshop that and um we can come up with a couple of different test fits for for each. So what the deliverable would end up
looking like is something like this um where it's just like a base aerial on a PDF >> and we just draw some boxes around this and in real time and just see what we think.
>> And then after that we'd visit the site, take all those pictures that I'd mentioned, take some measurements. We're also going to look at um ADA. This um me get a little closer
here. Oh, looks like that parking lot's new. Um let's focus in on here. So, I'm not seeing anything um in terms of like crazy slopes. Um, we would take some some slope measurements um on site just
to confirm that we're at least close to no greater than 2% in any direction. Um, sometimes you can do like an asphalt overlay without having to rip up any pavement. Um, if this was uh like pretty steep slope, I'd say anything greater than like 3%, then we'd probably either
recommend another location on the same site or just build that into our pricing so that we know what we're getting ourselves into. uh go back to our PDFs. So, yeah, we'll put together a a sample site plan um that's a little bit more dressed up for you to have your your conversations
internally. Um and this will have everything from, you know, potential charging equipment, the charger mix, where, you know, additional equipment might be located, where we're pulling power from. Um, if you haven't guessed, this is the parking lot outside that we were planning on using as a as a dummy
site just in case. But, um, you have pretty pretty detailed dimensions that, um, you can use to to get some feedback internally and get approvals. >> Yeah. Okay. >> And then we'd put together like a preliminary single line diagram like this one um, and use this to have conversations with the utility to to
confirm power >> for for a level two installation. If we're able to confirm that there's no um or if we're able to confirm that there is available capacity in the building, then we really don't have to deal with the utility at all. Um it's all just
privately or I should owner um everything's going to be owned by the same entity that owns the property. So we did that. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Normally I'd say private use, but it's you know public, so I guess >> yeah, >> a little bit of a gray area.
Um after this we'd um you know work with you on the actual application itself. Um we'd you know look through what what we'd call like a fatal fall analysis. So are we thinking about you know potential uses um co-uses with you know potential
fleets even if it wasn't a publicly owned fleet if there's other fleets in the area that could potentially use this in in addition to the public. Um things like security concerns. Um, we talked through lighting. Do we need to add a camera? Um, or is there one on the
building that maybe would suffice? Um, yeah. And things related to the actual scoring criteria itself um to to make sure that we're we're building the the correct application. And we can do this, you know, for as many sites as you'd
like to have us look. >> Okay. >> So, I say that it's probably sounds a little dangerous, but for now, that's what we're we're telling folks. Nobody has sent us anything crazy yet. Um, so we'll continue that. >> Um, it looks like we might have a question uh online. I saw somebody raising their hand.
>> I was just vacasillating into the fleet combination thing trying to think of a bunch of fac uh facilities we had in 1500 Marilla Street in the horseshoe parking lot there. you know, might have been a good daytime location for uh, you
know, for the public to use and then evening for some of our motorpool assets to to charge at. So, >> yeah. Yeah, very good point. Um, I think outlining that potential use case per
application is going to be pretty important because that the context will kind of help allocate those those points. There's a couple other I don't know if you want to go through another one, Jose, but there's two other addresses that have been chatted to us. >> Nice. Um yeah, happy to. I think we have
plenty of time. Um before I do that, um did want to mention public outreach. We are going to send out some like example um like public outreach um methods for
you to utilize. I think the lowhanging fruit is the map that was already provided earlier in the presentation. But if you wanted to go above and beyond for um whatever reason or know that certain um you know residents are really interested in certain areas and you've already done that research and just want
a way to show it, we're we're happy to help with that as well. >> Good. Um who uh you said there was another address, right? Mhm. Uh 21112 Mayfield Parkway
in Cleburn. >> Good. >> It's the Hill Count Hill College Cleburn campus. >> Okay, very good. I think you might have had a conversation with one of our uh associates, Stephen, on the call, but happy to um walk through this here
today. Okay. Um, did you have I I didn't get a chance to talk with Stephen before this, but did you have an idea of uh uh where you wanted charging equipment and um approximate charger mix as well? >> Damian, if you're if you're on the line, feel free to unmute yourself.
>> Yes. Can you guys hear me? Okay. >> Yep. Okay. Wonderful. So yeah, my I I think I sent a a long complicated question, but one one of mine had to do with um in in this image, if you look at the parking to to the right or more
towards the the the front of the image, I mean, predominantly that's the main entrance for us. Um and one of the the conversations I had with Stephen was right. So, this is this is predominantly where I have a lot of parking for
students, but I I can't deny the fact that in the in the back location where I'm right off of US67, um th this is where my I have one address, but I have multiple options for
serving uh you know, kind of a dual purpose. you know, being off the highway could really uh facilitate the needs of being more publicly viewable and accessible. Um whereas, you know, for my students, it would probably be more
ideally suited to place it uh you know, on on the other side out, you know, away from the the highway. So, that that was where my question originally came from um for this. >> Gotcha. So the question was, if I'm
going to attempt to understand, um, you can you submit like multiple applications or multiple mixes per site? >> Yeah, I think that's probably the most reasonable question that Stephen and I came up with and he said, you know, you
should ask. >> Excellent. we in terms of and I think Jared spoke to this a little bit but just to reiterate each individual location will be scored differently. So like when you submit your application there's um the application form has a spot for three different locations and
then you can add more pages. Like if you want to submit 15 different sites that's fine. We're going to score each individual address separately. So you don't necessarily have to decide necessarily which one we would like
better. You can offer both and it's it's on us to have to make the very difficult decision between two, you know, potentially really good sites. But working with the Kimley Horn team, y'all may determine, hey, from a feasibility perspective,
really this one is better than that one. um you know where that kind of resolves some of those decisions for you. I mean there's not a lot of charging in the Clear area in general, right? Like that's that's one of the areas that's probably a little bit light. So um
either part of campus probably has a a pretty similar distance kind of questions that that's being answered. I do think that there's value in thinking through what is more likely to be most valuable to the community. So, you do
have easy access off of US67, but do you think it's likely that people who are driving by would actually stop at campus? Is there anything for them to do if they were to stop? Or is it more likely that chargers that are well suited for students are really going to be the ones that are most valuable? So,
those may be some things to think through, but you're welcome to submit both. Um, I had asked for some clarification because I was like, well, wait a second. I don't know that we really thought through if you wanted to submit to different locations on the campus,
but you really only want to build one and you're just leaving it to us to choose for you. I don't know that we've necessarily set things up to do that. So, it's got us thinking, I think, now about maybe we need to add a a clarification question to the
application so that we can just make sure that we understand that if somebody is like, "Here's 20 sites, but I really only want five of them, but I'm going to make you cog pick which five for me." Um, >> right. I think that was my major concern is that if the cog decides that being
publicly accessible and my my location is being considered and I put it on a side where I'm I'm thinking I primarily want to serve my students but they think the visibility off of 67 is a priority. I don't want to shoot myself in the
foot. I know in my conversation with Stephen, one of the things that he had kind of mentioned is right if if we are looking at traffic um that positioning on the site that is accessible from US67
may be a benefit, it may not. Um, so I think that's the whole thing is I have I I have multiple locations I could put this on a singular site and we are open to one two you know um so so we want to
make sure that when we do the application that should I be submitting two applications with two different locations for this same singular address. Yeah, that was my only thing. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I think it would be you
could do one application, you would list two different locations in that application and yeah, they may have the same address, but then you could describe, you know, student parking to the east versus, you know, US 67 adjacent to the north. Um, and we had
discussed whether we wanted to ask y'all for priority. we decided against it because we were like oh the region's priority is more important than your personal priority. Um but we probably just need to make sure I think it's important to make sure
that every location that you put in the application is a location that you are willing to build. Like if there's like well I'll throw this location at them but I don't really want this one. Don't do that. make sure that you give us sites that you would want in the event
that that is the one that floats to the top. >> Of course, ultimately we would be willing to build both, but we we also want to keep in mind, you know, criteria and and scoring priority. And we we know our location's
going to be looked at by by judges, you know, and we want to make sure that we keep that in mind. We do have another person online raising their hands like >> Hi, this is this is Stephen Foster. So for my own benefit regarding this this
site, how would NCT Cog judge one over the other? Would it make a large difference to have the um the charging stations closer to the USS US67 access or would
it benefit or would it be negligible and you know be pertinent to have it more accessible to the students of the building? >> I think some of that can come through in the application. Um, so if y'all have, you know, demonstrated, um, community
that wants charging in the area, um, then maybe 67 makes more sense. But if it really seems like the students that are going coming there to charge or to go to class and they want to charge, um, I think it's the story that you want to tell through the application and what who really is going to be using um, the
charging stations. Um, at the end of the day, we want to make sure that they're being utilized. We don't want to have stranded assets just sitting there not being charged. Um, so we want to make sure that it's clear that there's actually a need um for the charging in that area. I don't know if that actually answers it or not. That was kind of a half answer,
but I think that's how we'll be looking at it when we're reviewing applications. >> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. What I've been encouraging applicants to do is the more context the better on on the use case. Um, since since this address was just uh
one question, do we want to move to the the next one? Um, >> there's another address if you want to look at another one, as I say. >> Sure. >> Um, >> 205 South Main Street, Aubrey, Texas.
>> Um, what was the the town? >> Uh, Aubrey. A U B R E Y. Okay, excellent. And then um yeah, whoever had submitted the the address, if you could come off mute and just uh tell us a little bit about um what you
envisioned for this site. Um and number of chargers, mix of chargers. >> Yes, we're approximately on site. >> Okay. Can you hear me? Yep. >> Okay. Um this is Christine Gosset. I'm the municipal development um director.
We're an economic development division for the Aubry area and our office is right there. Um you had it pulled up. There's a parking lot right next to my office building. Um right where that little red triangle is to the north of
that is a parking lot that we own. Um and we plan to keep this parking lot here. We've got some other development going on around in our downtown. We the city just built a parking lot behind it. That's city hall to the north, the fire station to the west or east. And then
across the street are businesses. There's more businesses um that will be coming into our downtown area. But across the street right now are restaurants and a retail store um and an Airbnb and be. So um we have the museum
to just south of that blue triangle. And then like I said, our office and the chamber office are right there in that building. >> Okay. So, we're just looking at at this parking stall here to kind of serve >> um yes, there's about 10 spots total and
um of course we have on street parking all around, but um we own that lot it and have all the authority on that lot. So, just wanted to see if that would be a suitable area for what y'all are looking for.
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Similar to what we did for the other sites, let's go ahead and take a look at, you know, the infrastructure in the area. Whole lot of nothing. So, in terms >> Yeah. Well, that doesn't show all the houses that are out here. So,
we have a lot of residents. Our ETJ area plus our city limit has about 22,000 people. >> Understood. Yeah. So, I'd imagine for those with electric vehicles, they they do the majority if not all of the their charging at home, which is
>> to be expected. Um, yeah, I do the same thing. Um, however, still rely on chargers in the in the wild when I >> Yeah, when I'm out and about. Um, let's see. So, oops. Let me go back to the near map here.
Yeah. So, the lot itself I think is um makes for a really good candidate. I did want to take this time to say what um like a caution because this came up on on an earlier site. Um we want to avoid parking stalls that are within the formal rideway and within any um you
potential future rideway acquisitions that'll happen. So, the on-site parking I think would would not be a good candidate, but the um the parking lot that's solely within like a a parcel would >> Yes. >> go back to
here. Let's see what street view gives me. Terms of nearby infrastructure, we've got this fella here. Let's see if it'll tell me either a telecom or gas if I had to guess. So, we just want to
caution from that. We do have a relatively large tree here that looks like in good health. Pavement looks in really good health, so no real concerns there. Um, you know, there is a little bit of a slope to it, but I don't think that's anything anything crazy.
>> Yeah, it's not it's not good. >> Yeah, it might just be like the the skewed of the image. um from when the the car was taking the picture. Um so yeah, no no initial red flags. I think we you know go through that's very similar um
very similar um process for for this. I mean I I could see a use case for you know both DC fast and level two. You've got you know businesses in the surrounding area. However, there's there's no other charging infrastructure. Um, so in terms of, you
know, uh, encouraging visitors from from other areas to visit your downtown, you know, DC past and level two, u, both make a lot of sense. So maybe we're looking at a mix of both. Um, see here. Yeah, I'm not seeing any other
like major red flags in terms of uh um underground utilities. >> Yeah, I know. I just recently did some digging on the other side of that uh area for some landscaping and the there is a gas line of course with the meters
right by the building and then on the very edge on the sidewalk just east of the tree uh there's fiber but um it's I think we're pretty clear from between the tree and the concrete
>> area. I think that's pretty clear. But on the other side of that you can see a little red flag there. they'd marked something. But, um, we do have a little bit of fiber along that outer edge. >> Gotcha. And those aren't dealillers by any means. You know, we're just flagging potential construction constraints.
>> Um, so, you know, on our conceptual site plan, I will have a very big scary note that says, please avoid this gas man. >> That'll just drive the the point that we know it's there and we're going to avoid it. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> Um, yeah. Similar thing. I mean, in terms of um so for um DC fast, we'll we'll need three-phase uh power at 480 volts. Um so we'll have to just work with the utility on seeing
if that's available. Um it's just in the surrounding area. But I I think for something like this just because there the infrastructure is um either it's kind of sparse from an electrical standpoint and like there's a lot of connections already to the existing
infrastructure. You just want to >> hone in there with with the utility, >> right? >> Um visit the site, prepare all those same documents and then um whatever conversations we can help with to to get this approved for you internally, I'm very happy to do so.
>> Great. Thank you. And this went till 3:30 or was it till 4? 3:30. Okay. So, I think we're running close on time. I did want to open up um for questions after mentioning one one quick thing. This is actually the first workshop where ADA accessibility hasn't
been brought up. So, I'll just go ahead and include a quick blurb about that. Um this project will be held to two sets of requirements. Um because we're in the state of Texas, we're going to be held to um the Texas Accessibility Standards,
which are um governed by TDLR. Um the TDLR essentially considers today um the um ports for an electric vehicle charging station to be a fuel dispenser. So the um requirements are very similar. You essentially need a clear space in
front of your your charging equipment with um accessibility to the pump, but also to any screens or buttons or maneuvering equipment that's required to operate the station. Um, so what that typically equates to is just your you
may lose a parking stall or we may need to um, you know, eat into the landscaping a little bit to accommodate for um, that additional striping um, so that you have, you know, room for someone to maneuver in a wheelchair to the vehicle um, to the charger in back.
Um, the state doesn't allocate any requirements for accessible paths to the building from the charger. the the charging station itself is meant to be the destination. In addition to that, we'll because the of the source of this funding being
federal, we will be held to the US access board's recommendations for accessibility for electric vehicle chargers. Um, so that there's going to be minimum stall widths related to the um to that access aisle and to the the actual accessible stall um that'll be
required for this and we'll we'll help workshop um with you on what that means for your particular sites and then um you know draw that up in real time um you know for for for us um it's something we we deal with on
a on a daily basis so we're very well um in the loop with with what's going on there. Any other questions before we close? I think we have time for a couple. >> Um, I got asked a question as I was
walking out. Um, he asked if um they need to build like a whole bunch of new electrical equipment and there needs to be like a new electric account set up, would that be who would own that account, the city or the um charging station vendor?
Um, I just wanted to document that question so it's out there. >> So, it'll take >> it could take a couple different forms. My recommendation is that the property owner would own the the utility bill. Um, that way when you get five years
down the road, um, you know, when the the program theoretically ends, um, you have full negotiating power to to move forward. If it was the reverse, then you're having to, you know, work through potential legal snafu of like, okay, who's relinquishing ownership of what,
who paid for what initially, who got reimbured for the funds, and you probably don't want to want to deal with that. So, that'd be my recommendation, although it is possible to do it both ways. >> Question. >> NCT COG staff concurs with Kimley Horn's
recommendation. Nice. Any other questions in the chat? Good. Stop sharing my screen before I forget. I' just lastly like to say really appreciate everybody's time. Um we've got a lot of visitors here on the on the call and here in in person. Um
Kimley Horn's super excited to help. So again, NCT Cog has already procured our services. um th this initial CFP application help is at no cost to you. Um and we're here to connect the dots throughout the the entire process. So happy to be here. Thanks for thanks for
having me. >> Thank you everybody. Have a good afternoon.