what is it nine go forward i just want to give him a few i know i just want to give I want to give him just 613 where we'll start 613 i don't know 6:14 614 we'll start on the
All right good evening everyone good evening we're about to start our city commission meeting for Tuesday April 15 2025 madame clerk can you please uh call the role
good evening the time is civility please [Music] mayor okay please please move forward the meeting was called to orders excuse me okay commissioner Shernoff here
commissioner Fimmon here commissioner Jean here commissioner Smith is absent commissioner Smuckler present vice Mayor Lindsu present mayor Michael Joseph here quorum has been established thank you all right next uh item on the agenda is
invocation reverend Willie May Williams from the Greater Gibbs Chapel African Methodist Episcopal Church in Washington Park oh I'm sorry thank you Reverend good evening everybody good evening
let us pray father as we come tonight we are thankful for this day thank you for everything you have allowed us to do this day and now Lord as we come into this meeting we pray for blessings upon each and everyone that's within the
sound of my voice we pray for families we pray for our children we pray for our schools we want you to cover everyone everything within this city there's violence everywhere but we believe that when
prayers go up blessings come down and so we are praying now that the violence will not stop by city of North Miami Beach will not stop by our commissioners with our mayor with anyone who is doing work within our city we pray also now
for this meeting that everything happen decent and in order we pray that you inspire our hearts inspire our minds so that we can think and we can deliberate and do all that needs to be done within this meeting we are thankful for another day's
journey a day that we don't take for granted for we read every day and we see the news and we see all of the kinds of things that are happening within our society but again you're God and you don't make any mistakes so we just pray
for blessings now and we pray for this particular meeting as we deliberate as we do whatever it is that's on the agenda and that all is well this is my prayer I pray amen amen hallelujah
next item on the agenda is pledge of allegiance please stand i aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for
all next item on the agenda is a request withdrawals deferments and additions to the agenda madam clerk yes i No she's going to Okay Madam Clerk yes per the request of Commissioner Smuckler item
9.7 resolution number R2025-45 titled reinstating the Sergeant-at-Arms program that is being requested to be pulled from the consent agenda and moved to legislation which will now be 11.6 under quasi judicial there's an
item 10.1 which is resolution R2025-46 title consideration for site plan approval and three non-use variances located at the property address 317 Northeast 168th Street that will be deferred to be moved to the May commission meeting per the request of
commissioner Shernoff item 15.1 resolution R2025-17 titled ordering an end to fluidation of the city of North Miami Beach's water is being requested to be withdrawn from this agenda further
request of Vice Mayor Lynn Sue she will be adding a discussion item titled commission meeting dates which would now be item 15.6 under discussion per the request of commissioner Fortuna Smuggler we will be
adding an under appointment Samari Allen car to the commission on status of women the application will place in your areas and this will now be item 13.3 we have another item that will be added and may I need your assistance w
it's a mirroring item regarding the disparity study that were that we approved on the CRA is going to be coming as a consent for on our um city commission wait what no it's going to remember I was saying we the city should um share some of the cost it's just I'm asking to
create a quick resolution to say we're going to do it for consent next is okay um I have some are we finalized on that no the agenda those are the only changes that I have may I add these okay okay thank you so
um number 9.5 and 9.6 to be moved to legislation for discussion so just to clarify um number 10.1 has been moved to which day i'm sorry what was the question 10.1 yes
when was that is that moved to item 10 may 20th may 20th yes okay commission meeting uh commission meeting thank you commission meeting um I just point of privilege to
ask you a question please so I remember last time when I asked for two meetings a month right your comment to this was that we're already doing two meetings a month it's the quasi judicial multi talking about that at the end yeah you're talk it's that item is you have that as an as a discussion item all
right fine we'll wait for the end thank you okay um that works thank you okay mayor you may want to make a motion to move do I have a motion in the second so move second all in favor say I i all
right nay okay we got um um five nays one nay next item is public comment uh madame clerk good evening everyone the mayor and commissioners of the city of North
Miami Beach has opened the meeting for public comment at this time there is a threeminut time limit for each speaker speaker when you call to the podium please state your name the mayor and commission of the city of North Miami Beach recognizes the importance of civility the city of North Miami Beach requests that all in attendance to
exercise civility at all times and our first sign speaker is Howard Berg hi thank you for hearing me um my son Connor Berg just recently bought a house on 159th please state your name for the
record howard Berg yes thank you my son just 1645 Northeast 159th Street just bought a house about six weeks ago eight weeks ago on 159th
Street loves the house loves the area we get a knock on our door about three weeks ago stating that the day county was going to tear the street a completely apart take down all the trees
make it a fivelane highway nobody's going to have any of their swale or anything to go in and out of it's going to be a nightmare for people to try to get in and out of their houses they're going to lose whatever is there it's going to be sidewalk to sidewalk it's
going to be a concrete jungle it's going to be a disaster um we had a meeting within one week we ended up have a meeting about two weeks ago in this Kane Commons there and over 150 people showed
up just through flyers and realizing what's going on what could happen to their property what's going to happen to the price of their property what's going to happen with everybody trying to get in and out of that street is going to be a disaster um from what I see I don't think anybody
from the city of North Miami Beach was there to to see what was going on there was one person from Day County there who was the commissioner's aid who after hearing what was going on was very happy with what we were t saying and that
pretty much agreed that he thought that the product should be cut scaled down instead of the five lanes keep it to three lanes but you know make they can make a brand new road they could do new sidewalks but everything else they want to do is going to be terrible for
everybody there i just wish the city commissioners and everybody here would possibly be able to go to the next meeting to look into this a little more for the city of North Miami Beach because they had over 150 people there in this one little meeting that in one
week just by passing out flyers so you could see how important it was to the residents of the area um thank you next speaker Mr manager through the chair can you speak to that issue i know that you did
have some representation there thank you Commissioner yes we had I think three or four staffers um there including our interim public works director and our capital improvement projects director and other team members um as we know that this is a county
project um and we'll continue to collaborate with the um with the neighboring uh residents as well as with the county um on the project thank you next that only Aurelio was there what no ma'am no okay cuz
residents were there were telling me that only Aurelio was there next speaker please i'll be happy to show you a picture okay thank you next speaker please madam Clerk Richard Muffson I don't know if that issue was pulled from your agenda it was hard to understand i
It was It was It was pulled well greetings everyone is there any room for comment nonetheless or or not you can still Yeah you can still comment yeah all right uh Richard Muffson i live in Sunny Alles Beach um I'm with the Florida Dental Association sort of representing that
organization um you know the problem with the fluoride issue besides saying it has been proven through decades of legitimate good scientific research as being extremely safe effective and necessary for the health of our children and adults aside saying that it's not
enough because everyone has heard that already and there's another misconception that we can just use toothpaste that's enough no it's not enough we need systemic uh fluoride because it builds strength into the teeth and at the small level um I wish everyone here could have been at the
mayor's roundt conference last Monday where the room was filled with serious medical professionals from FIU from from internal medicine departments dentists all speaking on the importance of keeping this in our water supply mayor Lavine Cava as most of you know vetoed
that the commissioner's vote it could be overridden there's a state bill in place too we hope doesn't pass but we're lobbying against it um and I would challenge any of the people here that are going to come up here and tell you things like it causes this disease and IQ problems and that problem um please
produce one ounce of legitimate literature please because I I don't think it's fair just to come up and spout stuff like it causes this and that like brown teeth that's only when fluoride is very high or these studies on IQ those are from foreign countries with fluoride levels way too high
there's other pollutants in the water in Iran China etc produce any literature it's not fair to come up and just say stuff without one ounce of proof okay so and I think that that that's the essence there's a lot of misinformation out there thank you
sure city attorney go ahead thank you um is there any actual peerreed literature that's critical of fluoride and does it depend is is is basically anything in high enough concentration possibly that
this is the thing yes any well different medications work different ways tylenol is a very safe medication but if you take a lot of it too much it can cause liver damage and you can die that's where the folks on the other side would have you believe these things um water
pure water can cause death if you drink too much of it so now another thing Latapo at the at that one workshop we had um you know he was trying to convince people that fluoride operates on a dose response curve it doesn't like Valium if you take some it makes you a little drowsy if you take more it makes
you more drowsy a lot real drowsy fluoride doesn't work like that at a very small small small level there's no ill health effects it's been proven through decades of research and here's the last two years alone lots of
bonafide studies there are no studies there are no literature in this world that's actually peer-reviewed and considered legitimate that uh says negative things about fluoride every major organization in the world medical dental is for fluoride there's zero that
are against it so thank you thank you next speaker thank you thank you doctor mimos Lewis good afternoon good evening my name is Mimos Le i believe in North Miami Beach since 30
years the first time is working very well my three four years is not going good because when it raining I can't go in when out because full
water I mean two weeks ago I call and miss Mr commissioner Sam he sent someone to clean all the not by meeting 541 yesterday before yesterday they got
the water when I would say I see this clean i can go in and I I say thank you very much i never comment before that the first time now I'm keep coming when I got problem you know I when I am coming to to talk to get
the what I want thank you very much and God bless you all thank you next speaker Rose Lane Joseph You love to see me long time
good evening evening my name was Len Joseph i'm not your family but Joseph I'm still your family joseph is a great name yeah um Joseph my address is 16050 Northeast
11 Avenue North Miami Beach Florida and tonight I have a two reason Bu three reason first one and I say thank you to Mr sam Z and
Mr sam B the second time I file somebody and the city care for the visitors he's communicate with me i call him anytime I don't I know he
have the wife but he told me call me and I text him 6:00 in the morning 6:01 he text me back oh excuse me Miss Joseph i am the one to have to say "Excuse me." And I don't say that i say "Good morning
Mr sam." He respond to me and he make me happy if y'all can vote for Mr sam I can run in everywhere in my area say vote Mr sam but I know God put it here one thing
and I want to do for them put in the list pray you can't give people money money not joy one thing you need you need healthy god keep you well i don't
know what I have to do for Mr sam Z and Mr sam B second I said thank you for all my police because I've been complain for four way stuff sign because
too many crazy in my area now I can't walk I can't walk every month two three accident I request for four ways of sign I request for his feet bump also they will call me
come in Miss Jose yourself explain to me I got five day for my my mama shot I'm sick too much pain I'm not keep the name but they nice talk to me they burn the speed limit after speed limit take over
last last year oh the same thing I hope for what now I know politician and politician you guy go to the election you guys know people address you guys
know telephone number to call us after you sit on here there was just request for some time m us to wait for us to give me our pay tie to to still keep put you there because
we put you here everybody here put you guy over here please i know and my time uh Mr mayor give me two more and I said "Thank you for everything you guys done for us but one thing I want you guys
working for me for my speed limit or speed bump please you next speaker Mr mayor." Oh um Commissioner Turnoff and to address her anybody any citizen that is happy with
our services write a letter to us to the supervisor or to anywhere in the city and that will go in their file and it's a wonderful thing to have in the file so thank you thank you next speaker
next speaker Marjorie excuse me Kley Joim and then Marjorie Dean good evening mayor and commissioners my name is Kley George i um was asked to bring Miss Joseph here this evening she called me and asked me to um bring her
here for a few things but they're so nervous she forgot something so I'm going to um give her a minute of my time before I continue yeah uh I forgot to uh to ask for that because too many stuff in my my brain to
ask you know too many but the the one I forgot uh you call it leg because some I I used to drive now I can drive reason I can drive I try too but the doctor said don't try sometime
I'm behind the wheel the cramp keep me and I can got a accident whatever now someone can't take me to the doctor or go to the shop I can sometime I take a little bit surely go Walmart if you are
need for what now I hear you be short please you guy make the way for the res to get little bit sury whatever we need to go to go because especially my me a please do something for us in this area
thank you god bless thank you she took quite a bit of my minutes um I wanted to talk about uh reinstating the sergeant at arms program we saw exactly what happened last time this a few people just decided on the
das to start having their own personal drivers this thing was really in a way where it was misused one commissioner took this thing and go uh from here in North Miami Beach right there to um to a
party that they were having others uh to whatever things they needed to do i don't think this is where we want to spend our money again this time i'm asking you all to reconsider i can understand mayor may need to have a sergeant at arms if you about to go
somewhere it's late at night and you may you know like most uh uh mayors and other big cities but we're not so big we have people that have a lot of needs in the city and this is not where we want our money to be spent on please think about it because I you can drive your
own self take the trolley that we talking about uh take the freebie that's what it it's all about please don't remove our trolley and our freebies but as far as the sergeant at arms maybe I need my own mighty guard too maybe I should call the police whenever I need someone to drive me around but you all
have your own cause this is the reason why we give you this typing that you're getting 40 whatever it is $1,000 a year so drive your own self as far as you are concerned mayor I can understand you may need a sergeant on arms to take you to certain events but please don't waste
our money we saw what happened when one commissioner decided to take this sergeant at arms way too far this is what you want your legacy to be for people to understand that you know you wasting our funds there are people who have food insecurities in the city
please don't waste my money thank you next speaker Marjorie Dean hi I'm Marjgerie Dean president Ancient Spanish Monastery Foundation um located at 16711 um West Dixie Highway um in North Miami
Beach good evening everyone i wanted to give a quick shout out to our springfest that we're having this is our first annual Springfest it is May 15th the price is $33 and it's $10 for children
we have face painting and we have um Spanish monastery oak seeds so that the children can go home and um plant a oak in a large area with parental permission
we have um private um garden tours to introduce our native botanical garden that the Spanish Monastery Foundation has funded so I just didn't want to have an event and have nobody come not that
that ever happens with any of the foundation events but I got permission to mention it here at the meeting and I also wanted to take the opportunity to thank um the North Miami Beach city of North Miami Beach for the certificate of
appreciation that you gave to me for my 10 years of service with the Spanish Monastery Foundation um I appreciate it i was out of town and I'm here now doing a shout out for this i do have flyers are going to be available at the library
as well we do have labyrinth stewardship days volunteer opportunities the first Saturday of every month with the exception of May it goes on all year round first Saturday of every month 10:00 the gates open if you have my cell
you text me i'll open the gate for you at at 9 i'm there at 8:30 okay so one side is Labyrinth Stewardship Day opportunities the other side is the Springfest i look forward to seeing the commissioners there as well and um thank you again
next speaker Isaac Lumo i'm sorry if I mispronounced that lumius thank you thank you very much thank you very much you allowed me to uh express myself my name is Isaac Lumis
address is 16940 North Miami Avenue that North Miami Beach Florida 33169 i have a the reason to stand before you and to express you myself a problem
i have a two two big tree in the back of my house they're so big they laying on the top of my wife my my house has seen to me one of these day if a rain coming
very heavy it's going to drop that happened to me before not that house in top of the house but it was first time was on the um FPL but I have to remove it myself now I understand when I speak to
Mr jude I need the permit to cut the tree off completely and I'm waiting for the money coming to to do that well I learned also I can cut the branches without with the
permit and what I do first thing I do in in March 20 I call the city to find out when they're going to pick up the trust there was a big pile already there and in the back of my house and I called the
city say they're going to pick it up on April 1st i mean Thursday April 1st and I I say okay and I tell him but I can cut the tree branches put it there
on 29 Monday 29 i cut the tree i I I don't cut the tree i cut the branches all branches i cut him and I put them right in the pile where everybody use that pile to throw the trash they come
from everywhere to do that and I I cut them to pieces and I throw him there and my neighbor saw me and they called the city manager and city manager sent Mr jude mr jude say "A Isaac why you do that?" I said "No I don't need a permit
to cut branches off from my from my roof." Okay did you call to know when they're going to pick it up i said "Mr jude yes." I called the city city told me that they're going to do that they're
going to pick it up on at April the 1st i mean Thursday April 1st mr you told me if they don't call me again to see what's going on and they never pick up the trash
until until 10 April 10 15 seconds they I received a call from from the risk manager tell me that I have to pay on my own the money I do not have to to
to clean in back of my house with the trees branches fine i need you please to consider for me i need the tree pick up pick up the branches pick up the trash in back of my
house please city manager is there any way you can have someone re um meet with the gentleman and see if we can assist um thank you next next speaker Josh thank you very much
good evening Justice my name is Josh address is 16750 Northeast 10th Avenue and I'm here to urge you to take decisive action and remove fluoride from North Miami Beach's water system this is
not just a policy choice it's a matter of public health individual freedom and political foresight just look at what's happening in Miami Dade on April 1st 2025 the Miami Dade County Commission voted 8-2 a resounding bipartisan
majority to end water flidation a practice rooted in outdated science despite Mayor Daniela Lavine Cava's veto the momentum is clear with only nine votes needed to override and one commissioner excuse me and one
commissioner likely absent the veto stands on shaky ground experts and residents alike predict it will be overturned on May 6th this isn't speculation it's the tide of history turning fluoride removal is inevitable
across Florida communities like Kier and Seminal counties have already stopped flidation utah has banned it uh statewide and a Florida Senate bill is gaining traction to do the same the evidence is mounting studies raise concerns about fluoride's risks
especially to children and pregnant women while its benefits are achievable through toothpaste and dental care clinging to a 1950s era mandate ignores ignores both science and choice north Miami Beach has a chance to lead not
follow but being on the wrong side of this issue is political poison residents are watching they want clear water clean water and the freedom to decide for themselves not forced medication through their taps miami Dade's commission heard the people's
voice will you opposing the risks uh opposing this risks alienating a growing coalition Republicans Democrats and independents who see fidation for what it is in overreach past its time i ask you to vote to remove fluoride now align
with progress protect our community and show you're listening don't wait for a veto fight or a state mandate to force your hand lead with courage and let North Miami Beach set the standard thank you thank you next speaker
Jimmy Levy and then Luke Rudski hello my name is Jimmy Levy and I'm also here to stand against fluoride um there was a Harvard study in China in 2012 on 8,000 children and all but one had
negative effects on their IQ there's many studies in America as well and it's happening even now and I question why those aren't publicized as much as the ones in foreign countries just like the chemicals in the foods that are banned everywhere and are still here existent now we have a revolution of revival in
this country this meeting started off with a prayer right which is absolutely beautiful it's good to to praise God especially publicly but how are we going to praise God while allowing witchcraft and a bioweapon in our children's water the tampering of something that God
created in the Bible is witchcraft and it says in revelation that pharmarmacia will deceive all nations so it is absolutely wrong from a spiritual perspective a spiritual perspective and a physical natural realm perspective it is a poison in the water and I stand
against it completely thank you next speaker hey guys uh my name is Lucowski i actually live here in this community thank you so much for having us thank you so much for having this discussion here it really does mean a lot to us that we're actually I'm sorry i I don't
want to relieve that publicly i could tell you privately if that's okay uh I could show you my identification but uh it's not far away from here u I I just don't want to disclose publicly if that's okay you don't have to give ahead go ahead go ahead please uh as a resident here you know there's there's
the debate happening here so far right now in Florida 41 counties out of 67 have decided to remove fluoride the state of Utah also just removed fluoride as well i think this is the sensical thing we could argue the science but we don't even have to argue that this is I
I think a a bigger argument about consent do you think someone should medicate you is the question this is what we are debating here because if you think fluoride is good for you vitamin D is too are we gonna put vitamin D in our public drinking water creatine is really great for you it's great for your cognition great for your memory great
for your muscles i sell it how about we put that in the drinking water here it's it's a ridiculous idea to say we are going to be medicating people medication should be a personal choice i would love it to be my own personal choice and I think if you guys could empower the residents here to determine what to do
with their own bodies that would be a positive step forward i love this community i love the people here in this community and it's a great community and I hope you guys listen to the people who are truly concerned here and without even debating it just allow people to have their own personal choices with their own bodies that's what I would ask for thank you guys so much for hearing
me thank you irene Pellinger good evening my name's Irene Pillinger i was so happy to see a survey sent out to residents regarding what is now being called a new recreation complex which in
my mind was renovations and upgrades to the tennis center and additional amenities to the defack preserve which was originally planned to be a simple sanctuary from concrete unfortunately
the structure of the questionnaire is such that it includes options that are lumped together so that the respondent cannot select what is actually most important to them without including amenities that they may not want at all
as I wrote the manager in an email why are we choosing event spaces and picnic tables what if I only want picnic tables but not an event space water features and a dog park what if I only care about
a dog park transit stops and bike racks only bike racks concern me a poorly designed survey does not give residents an opportunity to share their opinion rather it seems it was designed to
justify someone's idea of how to design our park i'd also like to remind everyone that we have an underutilized outdoor event space why would we want to create another
one i also want to talk about the Sergeant-at-Arms program that was just um moved to the regular agenda for further discussion i see that much thought was put into all the ways this program was abused in the past so that
these exploitations do not happen again but its very existence is a slap in the face to residents public events that our elected officials attend already have a police presence this program was
cancelled and era officials were able to do their jobs both before the program was conceived and abused and after it was cancelled if you need a ride somewhere hire a driver and take the
cost out of your generous contingency allowance we are a small city the issues you deal with are mundane and confined to the issues of the city this program was grandiose in the past and even with
some restrictions placed on it it is definitely grandiose and has no place in North Miami Beach i'd also like to say that in the 1950s we were able to get rid of polio through mandating that
every child be vaccinated and I am so glad that I was a little bit older but I got to be vaccinated and fluoride occurs naturally in our water thank you next speaker Melanie Martin and the Nene
King Allen hi I'm Melanie Martin i've never even attended one of these meetings better i've never attended one of these meetings but when I heard we were talking about the fluoride in the water I showed up so pardon my attire i didn't plan on being here but it's important
enough that I wanted to be here um there was another gentleman that spoke about the benefits of fluoride in the water and said there's no scientific data that fluoride is bad for us well I'm nobody but I can go online and find in the journal journal of the American Medical
Association that it says right here the the correlation between fluoride exposure and children's IQ these are our kids the kids are the future and I'm sorry but fluoride is a neurotoxin period i don't want to drink
it i make sure I have a shower filter a bath filter i will not even cook my food in this water with fluoride i just need you guys to like do a little Google search thanks quoting that study you're misquing that study it's over civility
who hang on hang on we have to have civility next speaker madam clerk good evening everyone my name is Irene King Allen better known as Nene from Washington Park i reverence the mayor and the board of commissioners today and
all of the staff that it takes to operate this city this great city of North Miami Beach i reverence you all today and I especially give a shout out to my friend Zephar Amed your new community development director who I
worked with for about 15 years at Miami Dade Office of Community and Economic Development so I know things are going to be right in that department amen can I get an amen i'm glad to see him but anyway I stand before you on behalf of
the residents of Washington Park and the members at the New St mary's Missionary Baptist Church i come to thank your mayor your vice mayor um Phyllis uh uh Commissioner Phyllis Smith she's not here oh she's traveling andre sent her
husband who attended our pastor's 21st uh anniversary and um I'll catch the rest of you all at another time and it's not like you all haven't been there before but I thank you all and I want to thank the the chief of police who is who is not here what is it paneos
well oh okay hi I'm Mimi but anyway I want to thank you for sending out your police officers we had one who stayed right at the gate as people enter and we even had one that helped us with the parking so we really thank you all for
that we really really do um in addition to that I was told um somebody had to school me about the use of the trolley in uh the North Miami Beach area now as for myself I really I saw low ridership
but then when I was educated about the fact that the children now have to use the trolley in the morning because Miami day county cut the bus service you know the bus services on Northeast 16th Avenue and I don't know about did they
cut any on 12th I don't know but since the transportation has been cut in that area and at least to our children and our um elderly having to use the trolley I think we need to keep all the free transportation that we have and and
that's that includes the trolley and I love to see the freebie the freebie is everywhere they only go the freebie only um goes through North Miami Beach cuz like I see them everywhere but anyway I'm proud of it i'm proud of the freebie i talk about the freebie all the time
but anyway um I think you all are doing a good job i'm not here to rain on any parade today thank you i'm here to give you all your props congratulations i think you're doing a good job but it's always room for improvement and I'm just
happy with you and I'm happy to see Zephr thank you thank you thank you oh no go ahead go ahead Miss King day i'm sorry this Saturday uh starting at nine it's 9:00 is the breakfast well you can we got
somebody 9:00 we're going to have our um kickoff breakfast for to to um celebrate our heritage day in Washington Park but I'm not the only speaker here from Washington Park so I'm not I'm not going to steal anybody's thunder thank you thank you M minister King uh uh next
speaker please nicole Savajio hello my name is Nicole Savageo and I live in um North Miami 127th um um 1503 Northeast 127th Street um I'm here for the fluoride issue i've spoken before um
I have an autoimmune disorder and it's really important that um I eat cleaner and drink cleaner and I have to go to certain lengths to pro you know to do that so I even distill my water and the the problem with our water not just in
North Miami but also here because I spend a lot of time in North Miami Beach is um when you distill it down it's you can it's more than fluoride that's the issue but um uh flu you know the it's not naturally occurring fluoride that's in
the water it's um residue from uh phosphate mining and um you have to wear hazmat in order to deal with it and um in a in a hot climate you have to drink more water probably um how many parts per billion you know can you say an
infant would drink you know um uh if we're up north in colder climates you might only drink a few glasses of water you might get real thirsty around here so um I don't want to drink it i don't want to bathe in it i don't want to water my garden with it i don't want to give it to my my pets um it's very
expensive to filter it out you need very special u filters and uh you know it's the thing is it's it's my body my choice i um we shouldn't be medicated this you know I'm from originally from New Hampshire live free
or die you know and so I I stand up for things because um it's important we all need to have a safe environment to grow up and um uh please consider removing fluoride and there are substantial studies and you know if you look at um
you know we weren't invited to the mayor's little workshop that she had impromptu and um if you get involved with local activism you you see familiar faces and so um you can see how that was orchestrated and it shouldn't be
partisan especially when the uh county commissioners it was bipartisan um five you know 8 to 8 to2 um it was a bipartisan and vote and it's about our health it's not about um people's you
know political stances so thank you Bruce Lambertto good evening Mayor and Commission i'm looking at the agenda here and I see uh item 9.5 and 9.6 one says "State your name for the Bruce Lambertto North Miami
Beach." Um one resolution says we're going to expand our water system and the next resolution says no we're going to reduce it we're going to uh turn over the Miami Gardens water system that we own to Dade County so I I don't quite
get it why would we do that um we're going to lose our economy of scale i know somebody some of you commissioners are smarting over this search charge issue with Miami Gardens they kind of rammed it to us um there's other ways to to get this money back besides giving up
the system um in fact we're going to re we're going to have the same cost with a reduced customer base if we uh if we do that so I'm going urge you all to vote against uh turning over the our system in Miami Gardens to uh to the county we
we need that infrastructure we need those accounts uh the other thing was when you do stuff like this you want to run it by the public utilities commission it exists for for that reason to discuss this we have a board just like you have a board here and people
spend their time coming here on their own to to to oversee the oversee the water so I would appreciate in the future when you come up with resolutions like this that you run it by the public utilities commission first for recommendation that you can or cannot
follow may or may not follow um the other issue coming up is um we have this the trolley contract coming up again and again and again this happens every every year and we still never have numbers we still don't have a study we we the coordinator now that we were asked to to
do the numbers and do the study uh for the last couple of years has finally left and no study's been done and I heard the trolley company's going to do the study now I hear we're uh they're pushing a five-year trolley plan where they're going to replace the trolleys
with new vehicles but we have to give them a five-year contract uh in order for that to happen um we heard some issues here about the the school children you uh children using the trolley as a school bus we asked our city attorney here who's on the school
board he's looking into uh possibly getting a school bus for these areas where um that that are needed like Highland Village for example in Washington Park and maybe he can give you a report on his progress there that should we should not be using the
trolleys for school buses i mean the the the school board has deep pockets they collect money from every property in the county uh they should be able to supply our children for that and then finally uh I I did speak to uh someone who rides a trolley one of the few people that rides a trolley and she says "Why are
you running that six days a week 15 seconds?" She said "I only need it for two days a week maybe maximum and maybe if you took the trolley and you and you ran it two days a week on that route and took that same trolley and put it on another route you can actually reduce the number of trolleys and still serve
the same number of people that frees up cash for us to use for the lady that was complaining about the the speed bumps and the and the signage this is what that transportation money can be used for to provide for that thank you thank you very much Trisha Harris
good evening everyone my name is Trisha Harris i'm here from Highland Village and I'm here to say thank you to public works and um parks and rerecks for the update
that's going on in my neighborhood at the moment uh we had some new trees put in we had a couple of um stuff done and I really appreciate it and I'm also going to speak about the trolley
because the kids in Highland Village use that bus the trolley to come home when the school buses overpacked because although we could probably fill two school buses we have multiple I believe there's
up to eight buses that come in Highland Village and pick up a different amount of children at each one and it's the overload from other entities that come from different places
and they stop there before they go to the school and the reason that they do that is because unless you live in the very back of Highland Village on 25th Avenue we are not quote unquote far enough from the school now that the
school is back behind 151st in the FIU area so I am very happy to know that it has been brought to the attention of our attorney which actually sits in a different seat within Miami
Day County that can possibly help us with that because I would not want our children to have to walk from Highland Village out on Biscane Boulevard in order to get to school every day and every year we have to
argue this and I'm one of the major people that assist the children of Highland Village to get that bus to get them on the bus last year I ended up taking care of approximately 16 and I really never brought it to anyone's
attention but I would take care of it on my own because I was able to do it so I wanted to appreciate that someone has brought it to the attention now and um so at least I pray that we can keep the
trolley going for a little bit longer in Highland Village because they not only the children but the residents use it for a way to get around i thank you very much have a good evening jeb
Panerger and that's why she has the key to the city because she's amazing thank you my name is Jeb Hamburger 1091 Northeast 166th Street Montichello i'm here today to address a crit two
critical issues affecting our community it's as you were aware we this is autism awareness month uh and uh we've seen a great increase in the rise of our special needs population and autism it's a it's a crisis here autism rates have
risen dramatically one in 204 children in 2003 now it's going down to 1 in 34 uh there's been connections between uh connections with neurocognition and neuroscychiatric risks and the increase
of students with with disabilities possibly with the the fluoride there's a study that came out today it was published on Fox News and New York Post that there may be if we keep on the flidation that there may be a doubling of the special needs population the cost
of a doubling in special needs is about in Miami date county would cost us about $250 million annually uh there's a study that came out linking fluoride exposure and autism
uh the US district judge Edward Chen ruled in 2025 just recently someone said there's no risks but we just have a federal judge that just showed that there's even with 7 which they say is ideal that there's an unreasonable risk of reduced
IQ uh this is much more serious of a matter than cavity issues which we can get with toothpaste and mouthwash you can go to any local store and there's plenty of fluoride if people choose uh right now the Florida Senate has advanced the fluoride the Florida farm
bill it may pass by the time of our next vote uh our next commission meeting so it's unfortunate that we have delayed it tonight because we could have had a chance to make a difference here in North Miami Beach i've been coming here since December uh I appreciate the commissioners that
responded to me and try to make a difference for the health and safety especially of the pregnant moms and the children we will remember the voters will remember the uh the commissioners who tried to prevent any sort of town hall or didn't show up or didn't show
any support to the special needs population and to the pregnant moms we will remember that in the next election i asked the commission to take two actions uh enhance autism awareness in our community and remove the fluoride for our special needs children and our
pregnant moms who are suffering already uh protect our children's h health align with the growing movement across Florida before we are preempted by the state let's prioritize the safety and future of our most vulnerable residents thank you for your time and consideration of
this matter renley Meador hello good evening Mayor and Commissioner hey Daniel how are you my name is Wendley Messor i'm Orove um I wanted to speak on this
agenda 9.7 but first um I wanted to bring up um I wanted to um relate my question to public works cuz um there's some stuff that need to be done in the old growth community especially in front of my house um the soil um when it start
raining it start holding a lot of water and I called public work they were supposed to come and check it out but to this day I never got a response from that so I wanted to know what's going on maybe somebody could help me with that but um that bring me to my issue um I'm
here tonight to voice my strong opposition to creating a legislative surgeon at arms position in North Miami Beach i don't know much about the program but I don't think the role is necessary for us for the city of our size because we already have security
protocols i think we could do a lot better with our police officers um we do need security in the city more importantly it is not um the wise use of taxpayers dollar our city should focus on core services not adding
a symbolic or political position that serve little practical purposes so I urge that we vote no on that legislation but I am willing to um listen to um to the discussion to see to hear a little bit more about it
but if somebody could get me in contact for the public works I would definitely appreciate that thank you so much thank you Ann former Commissioner Barbara Kramer good evening Barbara
Kramer i want to welcome Elizabeth Pierre it's so nice to see you up on the deis you've been hiding across the street i haven't seen you in years you look great and Jasmine who just walked out amazing she came back we need her and um she's a great asset to our city
uh I have to tell you that I'm a little appalled by many of the items that are under the consent agenda um this line of thinking truly lacks transparency and it really does insult the residents
uh speaking on some of these resolutions is um for instance 2025.43 regarding the expansion of our water service you don't think that that's something that you all should be discussing
together never mind the fact that it didn't go to the PUC but who put something like this into a consent agenda mayor Joseph you can look at me when I'm talking it would be great instead of looking somewhere else
um so that's a huge problem for me and then there's 2025.44 regarding transferring our service to another utility so like Bruce Lamberto said we're going to lose customers but we're going to try to sell
to someone else and expand that is pretty ridiculous and then you're going to need to sell part of our infrastructure and I know how you all speak about me as one of the commissioners who thought that a public private partnership was the right thing because that's what was sold to me from
the manager and the attorneys and whoever else but we brought it back and that was a good thing but now you want to let it go and I think it's very political what's going on here so everybody better look at this really really well because it's very political
and you don't see it now but you'll see it in the future i also know that Vice Mayor Sue was very instrumental in wanting to expand our services first of all it's something I talked about with Bay Harbor many years ago but nobody
ever did anything in this city about expanding but I know that Vice Mayor Sue wanted to do this because we've been talking about it since she was running for office but somehow this got hijacked into your resolution and you found out about it from internally from
administration i think that's a huge problem in this city and lastly as far as a sergeant-at-arms you've got to be kidding me i know this isn't going to pass tonight there's no way it's going to pass tonight i don't know who you people think you are but honest to God
you don't need police protection and wherever you go there's always police service around you so stop thinking that you are on some power trip and you wear a crown and you need an entourage to drive you okay and sit in their cars and
watch you as if there's you know added protection you need that other people don't thank you very much it's great to be here and hogsa and happy Easter to everyone lorenzo Hall very good Barbara
wow hello everyone my name Lorenzo Hall i say 1581 Northeast of 151st Terrace um I just Hello oh okay um I I just want to thank each and every
one of y'all y'all doing an excellent job y'all doing a great job um I also wanted to take the time out to invite y'all to Heritage Day which is going to be taking place on Saturday April the 19th you want to speak Trish
it's better okay so yeah I'm I'm I'm not really a speaker i'm not behind the scene but I'm the vice pres I'm the president of the voters the president of the voters council and once again on behalf of the residents of Washington Park I would like to extend an
invitation to the elected officials city managers and everyone in the audience as well as out there watching us on TV it's a uh day of celebration within the city of North Miami Beach that's been taking
part for over 30 35 something years so once again I just like to thank each and everyone amen amen amen amen everyone please come out police protection
police police protection no what is that this all right okay uh so far so good the flow look good everybody look good that's
nice so I mean your name please my name is Daniel Pierre my address is 15240 Northeast 10 Court okay
step so the reason I am here tonight I just tell to tell you thank you thank you for the job y'all been doing especially for the trolley for the
trolley cuz in my neighborhood just like in my in my house in my house by my gate every day people come in to tell me about the service they
have from the trolley they say that's that's the best thing so far even they don't come in here to speak to tell every one of you thank you for that service so they told me "Danielle I know
you come into the meeting please when you come in there please you mention that for us cuz the trolley is good." Cuz some of the old people they don't have car they just get that service you know
that's good that's the best thing you do i hope you keep it even somebody might be they might don't like it but the people care for the people at the same
time the same people who come in to my gate just like if you know where you live they will go to your gate too to tell you thank you so you als you're doing something good keep it don't try to move it
also for the police protection so I could I could say you don't need it you are the commission you already have the authority any place you went you have
the protection you don't have to desate to is scared to think like that you are the commission anywhere you want cuz that's I am Daniel i'm nothing but I don't need
protection long you do good people follow you so you don't have the protection of the police that's only one thing keep doing good job do your job so at the end of the year you will
be happy when it's time for the election you don't have to worry you will be back so do good job listen to the people you will succeed please please don't touch the trolley please okay so
I'm so happy I see everybody keep doing good job all right time thank you Mayor Strawberg and after is Kazan hi how are you um do I announce myself
mayor Strawberg um so I say my address okay so I see that nobody's still drinking uh tap water we spoke about this last time i I Commissioner you were very upset about that last time but I just thought it's interesting that it's still the case
that we're paying for we're paying for uh bottled water and you have a Coke cuz it's only 7 o'clock so you can't be that tired anyway what I came to speak about was really um the issue of fluoride and I think that we're all
aware I think that we're all aware of the back on the the back of a toothpaste it says don't swallow mayor Joseph are you okay okay the back of the floor on the back of the toothpaste it says don't swallow it it also says that if you do
swallow it you should contact the poison control center we're all aware of that so this basically leads us to to to understand two things number one you're not supposed to swallow fluoride and number two if you do swallow fluoride
it's considered to be a poison it's very clear um I'm 175 pounds maybe some of you are heavier maybe some of you are lighter it's not really clear how many glasses of water it's safe to drink per day per month is it and it's
not even clear like based on 100 pounds based on 200 there's no there's no warning there's there's no understanding like how do Mayor do you have any understanding of how many glasses it's safe to drink
there's no back and forth it's not a There's no back and forth but it it's it's it should be understood that this there's no nobody here can answer the question of how many glasses it's safe to drink if you're 100 pounds or 200 lb or if you're a child it's completely
unclear but we do know that it's a poison from the back of the toothpaste can and we also know that you're not supposed to swallow it that's it um the surgeon general he spoke in Miami Dade last a couple weeks ago and he made a very interesting point he basically said
there's two choices either we know that there's two two sides and and I should say this is not a political issue it's become a political issue it's really not a political issue this is a health issue i I happen to be a Democrat okay a lot of Republicans are voting uh against
fluoride i happen to be a Democrat this is a health issue this is not a political issue but it's become a political issue and essentially what the doctor said is that there's two two sides of research one side of the research says that it's not
safe and one side says that it is safe 15 seconds if you go that's it that's it either you have to be 100% sure that you're that you're um that the medicine is right or you're you're
willing to impose poison on your population thank you kazan Good evening everyone welcome back um first of all for the hundth time
I'm asking for this blind to be changed you guys not sitting here for the blinding sun coming in our eyes i can't even see the commissioner's face what's your name please and I can't see the mayor when he's looking away from people you need to change the
blind now I know four of you brought up your name please oh Mabarak Kazan now you can start the time okay i I know four of you brought back the water plant from Mayor Joseph
all the way to Commissioner Smith brought the water plan back but tonight when I look at 2025 I see Mayor Joseph he wants to start getting rid of what he brought back starting with Miami Gardens you You
want to get rid of that we fought so hard uh I remembered when you came on we had 180 customers today we are down to 170,000 180,000 customers we're down to 170,000 customers now you want to get
back get rid of 12,000 paying customers you know how long it take it took us to get 180,000 now we're down to 170 it's a very bad move not because um they may win the search charge not paying it but we have other ways in
which we can do it we can get that money from them and that is over $15 million we would be we'd be losing that brings me to your um sergeant-at-arms 200,000 plus i remember the last time we had sergeant-at-arms we
had a commissioner i'm not going to name her but she took a deputy police chief and went to one of the Caribbean islands with the deputy police chief and I'm not going to name the island that is how we wasted wasted the sergeant-at-arms and I
sometimes meet the mayor in Costco i meet him at different places um Commissioner McKenzie I meet you people can harm you wherever whenever but nobody wants to harm you none none of the 42,000 people or none of the 300
million people in America wants to harm any one of you we harming you here enough with our talking so you know and then we have the CIT funding cit funding every year we have $3 million and only
20% of that supposed to be going to the trolleys and the freebies or whatever you want instead 95% of that goes to those two entities and guess what the speeding continues along 12th Avenue on me on my street 12th Avenue between 149
and 159 that's like a racetrack there's not even a a speed bump nothing i told the city manager that i told him in a in a matter of a minute how to solve that with with four-way stops the cheapest four-way stops at one of the the corners
nothing was done and uh you know tonight you you want to spend money throw it away whatever uh more trolley more empty trolleys those trolleys only needed in Washington Park Highland Village and and
Ulita we don't need any more trolleys other than that what are we doing with trolleys elsewhere i see them run empty most of the time and thank you very much Barbara Pearson and then David Zapen good evening everyone my name is Barbara
Pearson i just want to know who who are responsible when they cut down the trees in the area cuz I have a pine tree that I told the guy not to cut you're supposed to trim it not cut it and he cut my tree down and that tree's been
there almost 60 years so who's responsible when they come down and cut the tree he told me the guy um they say to cut the tree from the sidewalk where the tree is where the tree hang over the sidewalk there's no
walking area there so I tell him there's no need of you know pulling the tree cut the tree but he cut my tree and you know that was a tree that my mom gave me she passed and it really hurts me for him to cut the tree so what can I do about it i know I can't do by the tree but could I
get another tree yeah um we have our uh what oh um we have our our deputy um our deputy city uh manager is going to assist u Miss Pearson if we can see him
real quick okay thank you uh next speaker David Zapen okay my name is David Zapen as in Zulu Abel Papa Echo November i'm opening Zapen Capital as a private mortgage broker to refinance homes as
seen on my Facebook page i'm also scheming to run for the open governor seat praying with an E on every daddy issue from the Conch Republic to the First Coast to Pensacola Wings of Gold maybe I'll be the first governor to expand Medicaid and have earned basic
income paid for with a tariff by plate i hope your fears of fluidated water are assuaged meanwhile Florida International University where both I and my grandmother attended in the 1980s lost 20 students to
deportation uh how many homes are empty or for sale within the city limits per local unhoused persons unoccupied office space without so much as a storage room B or a misplaced stapler but at least our pizza parlors are now chairfree so
that's a relief the new public 1750 was visited by a busker with an electric violin in a sign uh how do I get licensed to do the same thing it's not like they have a Blockbuster video vending machine for me to fix again or
free food in exchange for my systems analysis of finding food with the wrong price tag i would call the local television news but they might show up at Skylake Mall like they did during the 2023 election cycle uh does the police
website have an updated version of the Miranda rights more John Oliver 2015 and less 1980s TJ Hooker you you now have to say you acknowledge the right to remain silent cash can be seized as civil forfeite uh how many ter tourists think
that open carry of firearms is legal can we get a weapons update from our corporate masters at Alec and Charles Ko the New Testament's book of Luke chapter 22 tells each apostle to buy a sword some legal advice might be handy before
a unique way to celebrate Easter if I want to carry a gun even before the Heler decision by the Supreme Court i would have completed my 2002 police cadet application or join the Army or the Navy in 1989 like the
recruiters wanted a fast track to a commission officer rank maybe I'll just renew my several teaching credentials by next July enjoy the classroom cameras of my getting slapped and punched while I remember not to send violent offenders
to the hospital happy Eid happy Passover happy Easter thank you Elizabeth Genty good evening everyone um I'm Elizabeth Janti i'm here with Mar Needi to present to talk about
our event that we have on the 26 right of next week actually u in two weeks and I did send um a letter request with to each one of you see how you guys can help us um make this event it's a
community event but we're going to be basically a symposium festival slashfestival festival um to talk to bring the youth to the community so they can learn more about the Haitian history it's a Peru in Peru to the Haitian
heritage month which is in May um this is history culture we're going to have a little bit of everything and it's going to be fun i think it's going to be good for the community especially for the youth so we requesting the support of
every I mean each of one of you to see how we can make it happen as I good evening as I stated the last uh meetings this event was taking place in different cities is it the first time it's going to be taking place here so I was hope that you guys take decision to
help host that event and it's about uh history is about the monument it's about educations so it will last year Commissioner Daniel and Commissioner McKenzie was part of it so hopefully you guys would think about sponsoring this
event for this month thank you thank you mayor that was the last sign speaker thank you next is uh announcements city you're going to close public comment oh close well close public comment now we go to
announcements hi good evening before I give the announcement I want to introduce our new production specialist to the communications team her name is Jasmine i'm going to let her say a couple of words hello
i just have a short blurb hi my name is Jasmine Joseph um short and sweet i just want to say good evening mayor and commission and constituents i am truly honored to be here and incredibly grateful for the
opportunity thank you city manager um to join the team as a production specialist it means a great deal to be welcomed into a role that supports the city's vision and community focused efforts i look forward to contributing behind the
scenes and helping bring our shared projects to life thank you and have a great evening thank you wonderful mayor and Commission you should have a little packet with all of our April and May events we have Farm
Share Drive-Through Distribution this Thursday April 17th at 9:00 a.m at Ulita Community Center youth College Tour Friday April 18th at NA 8:00 a.m till 400 p.m leaves here at city hall we have Washington Park Heritage Day Saturday
April 19th starts at 9:00 a.m at the Washington Park Community Center we have our business tax receipt workshop that is on Wednesday April 23rd we have two sessions one at noon and another at 6:00 and that is here at the Margger and William McDonald Center we have Jazz
Appreciation Month which is called Jazz in the Stacks that's Friday April 25th at 6:30 at the North Miami Beach Library we have National Arbor Day Celebration Tree Giveaway saturday April 26 at 9:00 a.m at the Senator Gwen
Margolus Amphitheater the 8th annual NMPD PAL Charity Golf Classic that's Friday April 25th at the Miami Shores Country Club the international deo Monday April 28th at the library nmpd police memorial ceremony
that's Friday May 2nd at 10 a.m here at the NMV Police Department we have Asian-American and Pacific Ecelander Heritage Month celebration saturday May 3rd at 1 p.m at the North Miami Beach Library umc Free Health Clinic Sunday
May 4th at 1:30 p.m behind NMB City Hall free community Zumba Wednesday May 7th at the Ulita Community Center that's going to be at 6 PM the Small Business Summit and Expo that's Thursday May 8th at 10:00 a.m here at the Margger
McDonald Center senior Sneaker Prom Friday May 9th at 100 p.m also at the Marjorie McDonald Center kidnapping Movie Premiere Friday May 9th at 700 p.m at the North Miami Beach Library farm Share Drive-Through
Distribution Thursday May 15th at 9:00 a.m at Kevin R sims Aquatic Center jewish American Heritage Month Thursday May 22nd at 6 PM at the North Miami Beach Library senior lunchon Friday May 23rd at 11:00 a.m at the Marjorie McDonald Center memorial Day ceremony
Monday May 26 at the Corporal Howard B hinsson Park our community tea party Saturday May 31st at 10:00 a.m location to be announced and last but not least the heart of reading Saturday May 31st at 2 p.m at the North Miami Beach
Library thank you [Music] Mayor um yes um I have a point of Yes you you may have city manager to the honorable mayor vice mayor and commissioners i stepped into this role with a deep
commitment to serve this city its residents its hardworking employees who have dedicated themselves day after day to making North Miami Beach a better place i have poured my energy into strengthening this city standings
modernizing operations and laying the groundwork for long-term stability and success together we have secured a double A bond rating navigated complex budgetary challenges obtained critical state and federal funding put policies in place to
protect our city's future and defended the city against legislative mandates beyond the numbers we have worked to restore integrity efficiency and strategic vision to the city we've modernized departments improved public service and taken meaningful steps
towards making North Miami Beach a city that people can trust and be proud of and while there is still much to be done these accomplishments were never about personal recognition they were about doing what is right for the city its residents i've done so I've done so
openly and honestly and to the best of my ability the the work of serving this city has required immense time energy and personal sacrifice over the past two
years that commitment has taken a toll on my family while I remain deeply proud of what we've accomplished and still believe in the vision for North Miami Beach I must acknowledge that my family must come
first some may understand this choice and others may not but I hope all can respect it i am grateful for the opportunity to have served this community and with that same sense of purpose I now step aside to prioritize
what matters most to me therefore with a heavy heart I submit my resignation as a city manager for North Miami Beach of course I will comply with my employment agreement and will continue to serve with the same
support integrity generosity honesty and transparency that I have guided me through not only my tenure but my career thank you to Commissioner Smuckler for first believing in
me and to Commissioners Jay Shernoff and Mackenzie Flormon for always encouraging me to keep pushing forward i'm also grateful to you Mayor Michael Joseph Commissioners Danella Jean and Phyllis Smith seeing our relationship grow over
these past two years has truly been meaningful for me and thank you Commissioner Linsu for your partnership and conversations over the past five months thank you all for the tr for the trust that you have placed in me to city
attorney Joe Geller for your friendship guidance and wisdom to city clerk Andre Bernard for your friendship and collaboration but most importantly to my amazing team you've stood by me through every
high and every low i'm sorry I won't be there to continue to lead you but please know that I am always rooting for your success we couldn't have done it without your dedication and I'll be forever
grateful for the trust that you've placed in me thank you from the bottom of my heart north Miami Beach is capable of incredible things and I hope that the work we have started remains a priority for a bright future above all else i
sincerely wish North Miami Beach the success it truly deserves humbly submitted City Manager Mario Diaz thank you Mr manager
[Applause] um I know there's um some thoughts on this Dis um I'll save my comments for last um but what I will
say is that um this is unfortunate and I said that when you brought this up to me i said that very clearly it's not what I wanted ask you to reconsider as well i
did say that but I understand the pressures that you get on a daily basis and as a father of children and kids I can understand that certain people can't really relate and understand the type of pressures that come with that as
well but I respect the decision i just like I said you know last month was mental health mental health wellness right was that it was last month this month right was this month this month
and this job being in the public light doing the public work is not easy some people think it is some people can be out in the audience or in the community or even on this day is can throw spears left and right
but at the end of the day we're all here to do the public good some people lose sight of that a lot of times but I know from man to man I know you're doing you're trying to do the best for this city so I'll open it up for my
colleagues who wants to start commissioner turnoff mario it comes with a heavy heart from me accepting this from you i truly have consider yourself my friend now and brother that we've been together and
you've done a great job for North Miami Beach and I want to thank you we love you oh wow um I want to start by saying thank you for the work that you've done um like the mayor said a lot of times no one sees the behind the scenes that we
go through and I can honestly say that every issue that I've brought before you you've earnestly worked it out to the to your best of your ability and that has always been successful and so I wish you the best in this whatever the next chapter and also um to the mayor's
sentiments we sacrifice time with our families the wellness of our families so many things and so I commend you for making the best decision and again you should be proud of the work that you've done with this great city um all of the things that we've gone through no no one
knows um especially dealing with the state dealing with all the issues that we deal with as electeds and also as public servants sometimes it's a roller coaster ride and like I've told you it's like a roller coaster ride without a seat belt and so um you've done it with
respect you've always been respectful you've always been thoughtful and for that I know that your next chapter whatever it may be will be great and again um thank you for making this brave decision does that mean we're accepting his resignation i'm not accepting it i'm not
accepting it because um open up the comments we if we have the option to accept or not accept the resignation honestly I'd be leaning more on the side of not accepting the resignation um and um you
know you you um when when we first met a couple years ago we spent probably about 3 hours um having a conversation and um you were you were ready and um you knew what you were coming into especially our city were was experiencing some very
tumultuous times and uh you put your um best foot forward to make sure that you can stable this ship and um you know I I always felt that this ship was just as much yours as it is ours um and that you were leading as
much as we were leading right and so you know but what people don't know is is what you have to go home to at the end of the day no one could ever understand that no one experiences it everyone individually experiences that for themselves and you know there's Mario
Diaz the city manager and there's Mario Diaz the husband and the father and the brother and the son the uncle and at the end of the day um that's the most important Mario Diaz top and so you know um while I see you as a friend I see you
as a a a colleague a brother um and to a certain degree even a mentor uh although we technically are your your bosses but there's a lot of things that I've learned from you and and I hope to keep learning and to keep growing in our
relationship um you know it's a it's a real tough pill to swallow um you know that the the leader the captain of the ship is deciding that he wants to um to step aside it's a tough pill to swallow because I I I value relationships in that they don't always have to be
perfect i think really true leadership is overcoming your challenges uh true leadership is looking at a scenario and saying you know what I may not get along specifically at this moment with this person or we may differ on some issues um but overcoming them really is where
the power is and so sometimes we sit up here and we look to have you know managers that will do as we want them to do or um people that we can get along with or that it that you know will not
serve um as any barrier to our political or career progress and um you know the reality is sometimes we need people who are able to say hey this is not a good idea or hey maybe we should be going in this particular direction and so you
know when I look at five six managers over the last five six years you know it it it begs the question what are we doing wrong or what can we do better um and we have to ask ourselves that question as as leaders
what can we do better because there's no consistency there's no continuity there's no progress when every two to three years we have a different person in that ship or leading the ship there it doesn't happen um and
so you know I mean that's my long-winded way of saying I I really appreciate everything you you you've brought to the table um and you you you gave it your best you did what you could within you know your your realm of responsibility
and and ability and um this is not this is not a negative thing because you're doing it for the right reasons your family's number one and any any any organization needs to understand that and and provide for their staff and
for their team members the ability to balance right and so hopefully we we we take that into consideration and we do a better job at allowing people to balance their their work and their life um but thank you Mr manager um for for
everything and uh we appreciate you and like I told you earlier today you know it's all love my brother all right God bless i I agree with a lot of the sentiment that the commissioner shared i think you have like really given it your best shot um and I know that like I know your
family is very important to you cuz I remember several days ago there was a family member that you had to attend to and I just the best that I could do was to give you the space for that but um I know that you have done your best you have brought your experience your
connections your um all of the all of the assets that you bring along with you Mario Diaz city manager that you have collected over the past 20 30 years you give it your all to North Miami Beach
and I really appreciate that i thank you for you know like really there's no holding back when you wanted to give North Miami Beach what you did and I believe that you did your best it's a shame to um to have you go i think also
like it's um I think Commissioner Furmont said it well there's something wrong with us anyway um yes and I hope you will keep in touch with us and um you know and if you change your mind I think we have till the end of tonight right okay
so uh thank you very much for your service and um look forward to a good future as future friendship thank you so the six of us vote right now that he can't leave does that mean he
can't you know I met you through um the League of City dinners and we would coincidentally sit together because of Virginia and um it was at a Christmas party that I think we were parking and
we crossed paths and you said anything you can help with because you knew we were looking for a city manager and and he didn't say it asking for a job he was sincere any any help because that's who Mario is and that's when the light bulb
went off in my head he's going to be our city manager took a few months but you were our city manager and you were supposed to be our city manager for 20 years um it's been a hard day today
some of us have been able to to just tell each other how horrible we feel and you know in back there and in the hallways and stuff and um that's something special when we can all come
together and feel the same way about something or someone that's how special you are but family always comes first always family comes first and that's what you're doing and I just want to say to some
people out there be careful what you wish for because you will never get a manager like Mario Diaz you will never get a manager that has shown up here seven days a week has shown up here on legal holidays working has been here
since nighttime you can complain and complain all you want but you will never get a manager like Mario Diaz so remember be careful what we wish for and if you think you can do it better you're wrong mario I wish you the best of
luck but I know that we will always see you i know we will continue to see you and and I know that you are making the right decision because you're doing this for your family and for no other reason attorney was appointed privilege mayor thank you
very much um Mr manager the day I got this job I didn't even know you i I met you after didn't know you at the league but I have to say having served with a lot of people in
city government over the last 30 years that I can't remember ever having a manager who worked harder who put more heart in or who I cared about more personally because you're not just a great city manager as I saw someone
comment you're a great person i have admiration and respect for what you do but especially friendship for the dignified way that you've worked for the benefit of this
city it really breaks my heart to see you feel that you have to do this and I would man I would argue you out of this if it was anything but protecting your family that's the
kind of man you are and I just I just pray for you and your family and I pray for this city to be able to find someone that can try to step up and
match the standard that you've set i've seen a lot of them and you're at the top i'm gonna miss working with you mother thank you um I know um Miss Manager you asked for um what was it 45 days i said
can you do longer i asked for 15 an extra 15 to do 60 um uh I just want to you know understand the I want to I want to I I want to respect your wishes like I said I try
we've talked um to for you to reconsider so um are you agreeable to the to for the 60 days i know you said you had to follow up with your wife beforehand yes sir um the 60 days would carry um to um June 13th which is right around the time
that my kids come out of school um so I'll be adminable to to that uh city clerk has a important personal privilege go ahead city clerk i'm sorry before we move forward manager Diaz um I just want to thank you
for your professionalism your devotion your friendship words of encouragement i remember when you came here you accepted the job and you use the abbreviation site um as you know I keep that um I want to say sincerity integrity
generosity honest transparency and those words those abbreviations they all what you displayed to me thank you for including me and everything with um how the city works i appreciate every time I have to
go upstairs and we have to talk about something you listen chica you give me your words encouragement means a lot um I do respect and understand the importance of family i'm a mom you know I get it i
wish you nothing but the best and all your future endeavors god bless you and your family thank you again thank you uh so because I don't want to belver the point I know we have uh pretty packed agenda um not going to
make my flight it looks like but this is more important um um so yes so uh are I guess uh like I said before are you immuneable to the 60 days um and I I know we have an u following meeting in May we can discuss um transitioning from there i know you
have a great deputy next to you right there and Andy that knows us all very well um so we can take a very nuanced approach on this um moving forward very nuanced because like you know these types of transitions have have like the
way they've happened in the past some like there's been a lot of criticism i want us to be very nuanced and really doing a thoughtful approach um but you know for the time being um manager like I said you're immenable to so for for 60
days I mean I don't know if I have can I get a a motion 116 did I hear that i'll do that yes i make a motion for 60 days and I'll second it all in favor say I i so we'll
we'll talk further on this issue at our next commission meeting um and um like I said I'm not I'm gonna miss my I'm going to miss my um my flight but Oh you going to miss it i'm I'm going to miss it i'm going to definitely miss it
unless I go on silver which the wife said no wife said no um you may not get there for it i know right um but that being said I know the next item is um um announcements and commission reports and also one thing that's really important
we said this last year um we this manager has fought really hard with that whole search charge issue this manager fought last year and last year it was saved because of him this year i'm not
sure we can accomplish it again but he work has worked so hard and continues to work so hard for our city to help us with this water search charge it is has been non-stop and thank you so much because we really couldn't have done it
without you and so in respect and I want to give respect some of the employees here like I I want to ask for at least a 10-minute break 10-minute break um and uh we'll start at um
8:15 so do I have a motion for for t for was it like a recess thank you this is Jesus we're about to start the meeting we're going to reconvene the meeting well we don't have enough for a
quorum so no we can do announcements though we can do announcements no the commit well no well we I mean commission reports sorry sorry man commission reports we don't need a quorum for that right um no but where are they excuse me we're
about to start we're We're about to reconvene to do commission uh reports and I have a couple of stuff to inform my colleagues on bro Commissioner Charoff
no it's P no okay good evening everybody yeah I have to go first after all that all right Mario mario don't do
it all right we want to thank everybody uh first of all hakamea and happy Easter everybody um for those celebrating Passover have a wonderful rest of the Passover and eat matzah don't don't fret
not too bad um tour to force thank you to everybody who supported the tour to force for those of you who don't know April 7th was a tour to force five days that went from our police station to
Daytona Beach on bicycles okay so that's 50 55 miles a day each day was the bike ride you could take part in one day or you can take part in all the days but it was wonderful it's a ride for
remembrance of the fallen officers and I want to thank the North Miami Beach Police Department um Q who has been behind this forever and did a wonderful job and I don't think we had over 200 riders and for anybody who rides a
bicycle it's a great and it's the most protected ride you'll ever go on we have law enforcement from all over the state of Florida and further that participate in that and ride with you and then we have every motorcycle policeman in both
all three counties four counties that stop every intersection and work you through so you don't have to worry about traffic you don't have to worry about anything they feed you it's a wonderful event so please support it if you can't be in it and you don't want to ride give
them money they need money for the families and it goes to the families of the officers that have fallen so it's a wonderful wonderful event farm Share April 17th at Ulita 9:00 please join us
it's open to all starts at 9:00 until the food runs out um you know it says till 12 but I don't think we ever make it to 12 and you know that's a sad thing for our community that that many people need the food um but we're there every
month now so please attend my community engagement event this month will be April 22nd at Allen Park and that's 6 to 8 bring your family bring your friends and what do we do there whatever you
want you have a one-on-one with me and that's your opportunity so please do that come Arbor Day the 26th free trees to residents of North Miami Beach the same
amphitheater library space that we're going to um share with the event for the Haitians um u we're going to do it in the morning they're going to do it in the afternoon and they offered to you know still let us keep it where we were so thank them and again we give away
trees we have five different trees and ask our arborist i don't remember the names okay all right the most important thing that we're going to talk about is the 159 street we as a community need to do
something with the county this major thing that they're going to do in a residential area and take away their swailes and take away their you know every everything from sidewalk to sidewalk on both sides and put a through fair through there this is a residential
community that they're making into a thoroughfare and I I have no problem with them making a thoroughare that's not my problem i have a problem where they're making the thoroughare you don't make a thoroughfare through the middle of a neighborhood that's been a quiet
neighborhood for 50 60 years of people and if you are then buy all the houses you know take all make offers to every owner that lives on that street cuz their life is going to be hell when this thing goes through if it goes through and we need to make that loud and clear
to our commissioners who we're friends with the mayor everybody that that's a bad idea but it's got a lot of momentum so it needs all of us behind it thank you Commissioner Florimmon
thank you uh Madame Clerk um all right so autism a awareness month um is this month and um you know I want to commend our city uh police department the other day I I was stuck in a little bit of
traffic and you know I was wondering what was going on and then all of a sudden I saw like at least 20 or 30 um uh city police vehicles that were um wrapped in honor of autism awareness month and so I stood there watching car
after car after car and waiting for North Miami Beach uh and lo and behold we were part of the the team and we were representing um in support of autism awareness month so well excuse me one second yes in relation to that you have
to see the motorcycle that we got wrapped by a company that has the some of our fallen officers on it and stars and striped the whole motorcycle it's beautiful okay okay well definitely we have to we have to put that on um on our
social media as well um which I see is is uh doing social media is doing its thing now with PD so um you're getting a lot of likes getting a lot of likes on there but um let's uh continue to do what we have to to bring
awareness to autism also um uh happy Passover um and there's what what did you say that i I I want to make sure I say it right h Well he said he said something else
haga hagameha hakamea all right there we go um happy Easter uh Earth Day is also uh upon us so uh let's do our part in making sure that we combat um climate change um and also I want to
give a shout out to Chef Lean she's a Haitian chef that I believe has already broken the record the Guinness Book World Record for um over 192 hours of cooking non-stop so I want to give a shout out to her especially Haitian
Heritage Month is next month and um she is you know putting Haiti on the map in a positive way um and and she is I believe already broken that record of 192 hours straight cooking so congratulations to Chef
Lean where is she no she's in Haiti so she's um Yeah so um she's breaking that record and so that's a that's a that's a big deal um and also uh I know we have a few minutes I have a few minutes left so I wanted to is it is
it appropriate now to take a look at this agenda i had some um some requests that I wanted to make in in respect to the agenda is that okay Mr mayor okay um or should I do it at after after uh Yeah it changed may um can you wait for the
commission reports and we can do out yeah no problem that's fine thank you Commissioner Jean thank you so much good evening everyone so I wanted to start off by thanking again the manager and also thanking um public works for the speed bumps that were installed at D
rose Park for those of you who live in that area thank you for adding that that added measure also a shout out to um our teens that were part of the Bayanza um they took part in a cleanup a beach cleanup and a bay cleanup recently um
and again our college tour the second part of our college tour will be happening this upcoming um Friday uh I did want to also commend um and also ask for support from our public works director from Coastal so I want to thank
um Miss Mckenry for really being attentive to a lot of the um attention that needs to be brought to when they do bulk pickup and they leave behind so much stuff behind um they went out into a community and actually cleaned up cleaned up a a few blocks where there
was a lot of leftover debris so if Coastal is hearing this message please um please tighten up with that also wanted to welcome back um Liz and Jasmine who are back on our team and um Mr manager I know that we had asked for
a community meeting with the library and some of the partners i'm not sure if that's something that's still in the works but I wanted to make sure that our residents know that that's coming up and also happy Easter and happy Passover thank you Commissioner
Smuggler i don't know um well I want to start by wishing everyone a happy Passover and what time is the deadline to file our taxes to send them no no no to send them tonight is there Is it like 8:00 no no no no because of No because
of Florida we have an exemption to May 1st oh yeah yeah because of the the stuff that happened last year so if you're based out of May um so if you're based out of Florida then you like it's a list of state so if you say Florida extension it'll come up taxes so Oh okay did you hear that florida you didn't
have to file today you haven't until May had to deal with a lot of clients okay um also I want to wish everyone a good Friday a happy Easter a happy Earth um I also want to make mention of the passing of Miami Commissioner Manolo Reyes and
um thank you for his service of many years to the city of Miami uh I I want to ditto ditto Commissioner Chernoff's sentiments about 159 Street and also uh Mr manager I did see the picture you sent us all
um with the I think there was four employees at that meeting thank you for for sending that picture um it's um so it's autism month and I just wanted to um to just like make a
comment about this thing with fluoride and autism um so it's not a secret raquel Regalado has two children with autism and she's a very educated smart woman and she's also a a county commissioner and and she actually was
one of the votes to keep the fluoride in the water in the county so I'm I I I just can't imagine that an educated woman like that who has children with autism um would would just feel or first of all
she wouldn't want any harm or or cause of autism to anyone especially um well no matter no mother wants that but especially a mother of two wouldn't want that and
um I also May is um Jewish American Heritage Month and I know that it was mentioned but at the library on May 22nd from 6:00 to 7:00 p.m we're gonna have Jewish American Heritage Month there'll
be kosher bites and beverages and games and arts and craft to celebrate um our Jewish American heritage and to our police department thank you
so much for um always taking care of our residents our families our our uh employees and um and and the commission and lastly um to the manager you have uh
this is second to last meeting with us you'll come and visit us right sure you will and but um thank you so much for everything that you did to make North Miami Beach a better place thank you
that's it vice Mayor Lindsu uh happy autism i mean sorry i was going to say happy Passover uh happy Passover to everyone um it's also Sran Festival in Thailand so it's our new year um Easter's coming up this
weekend and Earth Day 22nd be sure to consciously recycle every day not just Earth Day and Arbor um looking forward to growing plants with you and our Arbor Day event of giving out trees so that we could do more of that um I'm happy to
announce that the Crest View Tower residents are now back in their homes after almost four years um right now they are connecting to the electricity and there are some leaks still but most of the people have moved in remember that they were Yeah this is wonderful i
wanted to I wanted to thank first of all Senator Jason Piso um city manager Diaz and also our building director Daniel Zuna uh for helping them and um you know working with them on that i have uh spoken to the property appraiser i saw
him yesterday so I had a chance to tell him about this apparently he already knows i'm assuming that our um staffer have been communicating with him so we wanted to work on something for them because they had to rent while paying a mortgage uh and at the same time their
HOA fees have gone up crazily and um and we need to I'm I'm trying to do everything I can to support them uh the next thing is um another shout out to uh city manager Diaz so I wrote all this before you know I'm so sorry i wish you could hear this before you decided to
resign not that it would matter but um great job on taking the lead and opposing the tax collector fees we're going to have that on our consent agenda that is amazing you know it would have cost the city another $500,000 and um thanks to uh the city manager
association led by the city manager he's the president or the chair I don't know what they call them there but um he was there and he took the lead in the fight against the tax collectors fees the 2% margin which is saving the city half a million dollars again okay so um then
again we um I did a ride along so any of the residents who has never done a ride along I'm going to tell you it is fun exciting especially when they have like a I don't know a code two is that what it's called and the sirens go off and you can like you know run through red
lights and like it's just extremely fun so I'm looking forward to uh you know my uh my handgun practice with them um the shooting practice with them in the future um also that that ride along is not just limited to me any resident can
join them uh it was really fun and exciting okay and then um we've been sending out a bunch of surveys now if you're listening from home please be sure to check your email we have surveys now we have a survey that actually ended April 13th is that able to be extended i
think that's that was a one that a resident Mrs pillinger mentioned that you know the survey was not quite complete do we have another do we have an extension on that or is it um just ended we can extend it so there's a survey out
for the recreation center okay and if it's like you know the details of that is not satisfactory please be sure to like send us an email so we know like what you really want okay if the survey wasn't um wasn't complete now we have another one i think it's WGI right this
is about um all the state road safety i think Andy you sent it out we have another survey coming out coming up and um if you can fill those in too it's important that we hear what you have to say and what's important to you so if there's like a road that you need a stop
sign like yesterday somebody came up to me and told me that like along 177 there is no stop sign it's just a racetrack so that's dangerous especially because it's right south on the southern border of Grenold's elementary school okay so we need to like be really proactive about
telling us what you know we don't have eyes and ears everywhere so your input is very important okay so um upcoming meetings so I have my neighborhood voices event in sun in the sun for the sunray area Thursday this Thursday the
17th at 6 p.m um call the office for details and then 159th road expansion May 1st okay the county is coming back to propose the alternate so initially they wanted to do a five lane and now they're reducing it down to a three-lane
go take a look at those designs and see if it works for you if it doesn't work for you speak up and I will be there because I want to make sure that if there is something that we need to advocate for at the county I can go to the county with your comments um number
the third one is UMC Free Clinic is coming back they did they liked us so much so I want to tell you a little story before we get back into that and I'm taking a lot of time excuse me but the UMC clinic um it's free so in this past Saturday we had a patient who
tested her sugar and it was like at 500 something wow so yeah so she's a diabetic she lost her insurance her disability insurance and didn't know where to go because she didn't have any money i I don't know if she has money but the point is that she came to us
because she didn't have insurance so she tested her sugar the doctor sent her to the ER yesterday she came back to the clinic UMC clinic up in Miami Gardens and um took 3 months worth of insulin for herself and um basically we saved a
life so this initiative is amazing to me um also a family of two girls and mom came over and they had just lost their insurance as well um you know there's just so many so many people out there please help me spread the word it's so important it is going to be Sunday to
accommodate all religious um you know all everybody who observes anything on you know other days we have Sunday at church after church 1:30 no Sunday the 4th of May I I don't know I mean but I mean I know you don't have
Sunday Saturdays so we we go Sunday so anyway um anyway so so I'm just so happy that we saved a life and um I'm looking forward to to helping having a healthy North Miami Beach thank you very much great job Mayor yes is it possible Vice
Mayor in the course of what you're doing that maybe you could start to try to make a record as to why all of these people are losing their insurance suddenly it'd be very interesting yes to hear why that's occurring because if
it's if it seems to be that prevalent there's there's a problem somewhere yes because if they had insurance they could get Cobra right if they lost a job right there would be Cobra but I mean if they had completely lost their insurance it's right but it's still concerning yeah
it's expensive yes it is mayor Michael Joseph I'll be quick uh because I want to move this meeting along uh I Good evening everyone uh I wish we were having a meeting that was a lot quicker and a lot less you know
upsetting but um uh that being said I have a couple of uh items I'm going to bring up to your attention um on May 1st I'll be having my uh we'll be having our state of the city address here at the Litman Theater looking forward to the community coming
and showing uh and learning about what's been going on or showcasing what's been going on for the last four years the last time we did this was back in 2020 I believe in February uh and this will be a good time to recap on all the great work that we've done in this city i'm
looking forward to each one of my members doing a video expressing what they you know want to highlight um and what they want to really focus on moving forward and I'm looking forward to just expressing my thoughts and my vision to the community at large that's May 1st
um also um I got an invitation um from Alex Desume when I went to go see see him regarding uh you know uh water expanding to North Miami and he invited like myself and also extended the asked me to ask him if we can extend the
invitation to my colleagues to a sister cities event uh in Japan in September i forward the invitation to um the city manager um and seeing if anyone any of my colleagues would be open to going to this event it's a it's a cultural
sharing event um other cities will be going and it would be a good opportunity as a as a group to to to to do some cultural exchange i'm also working on um doing the same thing we're going to Israel uh as a commission um um um and I'm
waiting for different because there's different groups that can sponsor it like but and and if you have anybody in in line in in mind that can assist us please help me with that um but this is the first one I had an official uh request and and invitation that I could extend to my colleagues so look forward
to that invitation being extended it's in September if we do decide to go we're going to have to work out some scheduling in regards because that's where our budget meet our our budget hearings are so if we can go let's see if we can work it out and I'll leave it up to the staff to work those details
um also I'm going to be you know uh I haven't had I've had a couple of my sunshine meetings i'm looking forward to having a sunshine meeting with with Commissioner Chernoff on on a couple issues one thing I want to partner up with him is um just a couple of things that have been kind of hanging we've
been talking about this honors proclamation keys and everything else i want to work with you on that legislation as together and do a sunshine meeting to speak that speak on that and really have a very you know nuance and very respectful for all our respect respective positions and really
uh expressing our our ourselves through proclamations and and and other ways of honoring so I'm looking forward to uh and I know he he's going to be he's he's going to be open to doing that because he's always been open to having discussions i'm looking forward to that [Music]
um and um last but not least well also I was looking at the and madam clerk this is a question to you um I know we got I'm going to speed along with those appointments because I want to get those appointments out of the way um when we move u prior to um we get to the consent but there's one question like I was
looking at the the the vice mayor stuff is quarterly right it's like yes so how many months is that it's four months four months right okay so no because I was looking I was looking at the dates and stuff so the cuz I was I was looking at the trans effective May 1st the next one okay so that's what that's why cuz
I'm think f May I'm thinking five so from the first to May f was five months so I was it's every four months if it's wait that's not quarter it's three it's three months it's every four it's every four months it's every four
months it says yes every four months so thank you for clarifying that cuz I thought it was three months but thank you for for clarifying that that being said um I want to move forward and I want to um Mr mayor if me on your behalf um in addition to the state of the city event that'll be held on May 1st yeah we
also have National Day of Prayer that'll be May 1st at 10:00 a.m center yes that's going to happen as well national Day of Pray yeah we do it every year so that's going to happen in the on the day uh on the daytime uh uh in the morning and then we'll have the state of the city later on that evening
i wish Well we have another event uh that that's happening in our community as well on the 30th right um it's a over the official invitation hasn't been received by our office so I don't want All right well I know it's coming because somebody helped out on that so I
know it's coming um that being said I want to move the the agenda along but I also want to see if we can move out of order on a couple of things one of them being the appointments so I want to get that out of the way can I can I get a motion or a second to see what second
okay so can we u madam clerk I want to do um a motion to to approve all appointment all together okay um third item from point excuse me from appointments item 13.1 13.2 and 13.3 and
the walk- on right yes that's that's added okay okay 13.1 is appointing uh Commissioner J shernoff as vice mayor effective May 1st motion second we're going to do it all
okay um point to actually that doesn't need a second anyway appointing Eloine Cox Horton to the general employees pension board then the walk- on item is appointing Samari Allen Carr to the Commission on Status of Women motion please all in favor say
I i i no we did add a motion and a second any opposed not opposed that passes unanimously thank you Commissioner Flormon sorry uh thank you Mr mayor um you know in light of um some of uh what's uh occurred um
regarding regarding our city manager I I think that um you know we should um you know be very expedient with this meeting and allow people you know uh some some time to kind of um have their conversations with him and etc um and
so I wanted to see if there was the ability to remove some items off of this agenda um and uh one of them would be 11.2 the other one would be Yeah that's first reading 11.1
that's second reading by the way second yeah we paid for the advertising yeah we paid for the advertising okay okay so then okay i'm sorry about that so 11.2 i'm sorry point one is moved to um I'm sorry I'm wrong i'm saying the wrong when do you want to move them to no the
next the following the next item yeah but the motion would be to defer them till the May council correct yeah yeah i mean is the 11.2 is something we can wait another month may I mayor
oh can I well I mean somebody is can someone answer me about 11.2 So before I I I understand we have a we have a consent like this is what I want to try but if we get if we can hold off on the discussion items let's hold off on the discussion items let's go through the agenda as quickly as we can mhm and
then if uh and then take it from there let's Can we just do that let's go with consent can we do the consent items and then we'll we'll because I just want to just clean this up as quick as can move to approve the consent items okay do I have a second second okay city city
attorney mayor that's items 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4 and let me That's it no no no no 9.7 and then we have the add on 11.6 and
9 9.6 9 five six and seven have been added oh I'm sorry there's an add-on about Oh yeah yeah community redevelopment a yeah that was put that was for 9 it was supposed to be 9.7
right well there was 9.7 and we' be 98 9.8 9.8 9.8 so it' be 9.1 9.2 9.3 9.4 and 9.8 there's five six and seven now okay because I know we have a commissioner
that likes to read the entire thing but do I have to do that Mr the city attorney or I could just go by what you um cuz I I under the circumstances unless there's objection I think you should Okay so do I have a do do I have a motion so moved do I have a second
second so do we all in favor say I i passes unanimously so we finish with our consent all right now we're going into 11.1 legislation and for the record again 10.1 was moved to May 20th
okay date certain that's important 11.1 do I have a motion to introduce so moved second all right this is second reading um Chief it's your item good evening good evening mayor vice
mayor commission city manager uh this uh this ordinance is the second reading uh there has been no changes since the first reading it's just basically being uh giving law enforcement the ability to affect arrests on those that are uh prohibited camping in the city of North
Miami Beach mayor this is also to ensure that we're in compliance with state statute and for the record um the constitutionality of this is of the law that mandates it is somewhat questionable i just want to be on the
record as noting we do have to comply with state law until it's overturned so we don't have much option but I just want to note on the record that arresting people because they don't have a place to live is suspect constitution
thank you chief uh do I have any discussion on this item motion do I have a second second roll call vote madame clerk no okay commissioner Florian no
commissioner Jean no commissioner Smarkler wait I just want to make sure yes means we're passing this right i just Okay yes i'm not sure cuz Okay just I can't I'd like to I'd like to know why
everybody's voting no on this well I can't can I pause okay okay okay just so we can stop before we go off technically this is the law mhm it is the law of the land so understand um we are
agreeing to follow the law and in producing this legislation because we're required to do so that's what this is so this was this legislature passed this and handed it right down to us so that's what this issue is i
agree wholeheartedly with the city attorney on this however as a policy makers and given the fact how legislature has moved and um powers that be have moved
um it can get uh kind of a you know back and forth i must caution you personal feelings aside and mine are strong on the issues that this could
provide a pretext for the governor to [Music] remove council members for not doing what in his opinion is their legal
obligation to do the law is on the books and in force it is in force until such time as it is overturned and
perhaps people who share strong feelings about what this is trying to do might consider adding a note of protest to a yes vote and stating that they're doing
so only because compelled by the law but they believe the law to be unjust but it is at this time until overturned it is the law of the state of Florida so um spec
so would the would PD be able to do this without making this change technically speaking well I mean you would have to it would I mean it's a law however that the way that is designed is that we have to draft this legislation to have it on our books correct me if I'm wrong that's the
No there's other No but there's other I understand your standpoint but there's other things that we don't I mean look you don't need to sign on to follow the law the law is a law you don't sign on right this is somewhat different because there's requirements set upon us based on how the legislation was passed right
correct me if I'm wrong where it require us to do these to make this legislation now certain things don't because at the end of the day like hey if you know I'm not going to go well I'm I'm going to be mindful about but about move I got to be a little bit careful what I'm about to say so what I'm saying is that yes we're
required to do this per state law and one might view this as a trap for the unwary yes to try to weed out officials that don't share the
draconian point of view that led to its adoption um there's another question um as far as um since you said we're we're kind of back in discussion on this right is that what we're doing uh yes so we put a pause i don't know how from uh Robert rules let me say again mayor for the
record we operate under Robert's rules but Robert's rules is supposed to assist you not in He's a parliamentarian so I Hey you're the parliamentarian so I'll go with him so what were you gonna say Commissioner no I was just saying um as far as PD is concerned since we're kind of back in discussion what efforts are
we making um to to pre to prevent this or to assist people in finding uh places to stay you know and and um to try to curb this issue and and and if I can add can you just tell me the
difference about to what you've done now and what you will do once if this passes so thank you for both of your questions so nothing's really going to change as to how we've operated in the past and how we will
operate moving forward uh we will use this law as a last resort uh we've our intentions have never been to affect arrests on homeless or those that are camping uh rather get them help uh we have a partnership with the homeless
trust uh we have different resources that we use uh to offer them help uh safe space uh shelter food etc um if they choose not to accept those resources uh we you know we try to send them move them along their way but never
is the intent to affect an arrest yeah because that's really where my major concern lies is is is is with that issue right there and mayor if if I may add to this um and I apologize Commissioner I don't mean to interrupt um but part of part of this is state
statute now allows if a business calls because there's camping or a homeless person in front and they notify the city and the city doesn't do anything to address it then allows that business to sue the municipality and so that adds an additional liability so um the purpose
of um as the the chief said it's not to try to push um those who are unhoused out we continue to try to find opportunities to assist them as much as possible but we are trying to with the ordinance um at the very least under current law um protect the city from
future liabilities and and allowing us to be open to lawsuits and um thank you Mr manager and as far as as far as your um your your steps are are those is that written policy or is is that
um what's understood to be it's understood we have a community policing unit um and they're mainly tasked with uh assisting those uh homeless uh people in our city so they they have a lot of resources that they use a lot of contacts um that we have a rolodex of
people that we can call to assist them we also have a a portfolio where we keep uh track of all our homeless and to make sure that they're okay and we check up on them so anytime we encounter new homeless in our city we document them see where they're at and kind of keep tabs on them that way but uh we don't
have we don't have a policy per se i hate to you know ask for you to do additional paperwork but is there a way that you can put make that an actual policy would that be in line with this particular legislation we we can i mean it wouldn't hurt i mean
uh because I I don't want to um I want to stick to this point but I also want to make something clear that relates to this type of like mandate that's coming or whatever mandate might be and I just want and just so we can have a consensus and I I just want to express
get that at least transmitted to the to staff if there's something that could be done administratively please do it administratively in that sense uh in this aspect this is I mean outside of the law saying specifically we have to write the ordinance if it can be done administratively then do it
administratively because this puts us in a very awkward situation because we know what what how this could be utilized or weaponized in other means correct right so you feel the consensus that consensus is made clear to staff and attorney about how we feel if something can be
done administratively please do it so so I'm not going to cut I'm not But I understand but that being said like Well yeah listen I I I appreciate your um your your um your foresight Mr protect my commission i appreciate your
foresight Mr u Mr mayor i really do um and and you know this is just one item but we we can see a lot more but you gave you gave direction that there has to be he could add additional policy no exactly but what I'm saying is this is this is one item and we see we see where
a lot of this is going yeah and so um you know we're we're in position for such a time as this and um you know we we have to um we we have to do our job right so in that sense if that you hear the consensus on those steps being um
administratively um documented okay so I'm ready to and to the attorney um so if it did not pass the governor can remove all seven of us or just the ones that voted against it just want to say
goodbye to some of you no no no no no no no no that's not what happened let's make clear that's not what happened the vote we didn't Nothing happened we're going to raise No but I do I do want the answer i do want the answer to that question i answer your question
directly please i have a legal opinion and that's my legal opinion and I practice longer than a lot of the people that are giving legal opinions to the governor but he's the governor
so I have grave questions about the legality of his removing Mhm people based on a vote and because of that it's
difficult for me to read his mind and see whether it would only be the people who voted a certain way or whether he could interpret it as meaning the entire body i their justification for what they've done in the past is already very
questionable in my mind so I don't think it's proper but that doesn't mean that they won't do it and how they do it is crystal ball stuff i I just I can't know
commissioner um yeah the question that I had for the state law does it does it require for the police department to do a sweep or is it triggered only when certain businesses or individuals I'm I'm speaking to this point because you look at Hanford Boulevard and when you
drive down there's still a lot of homeless that um people with no homes that are there so would this enforcement require us to do sweeps because in that case I drive around and I see a lot of homeless so I'm I'm I'm kind of speaking to the state law what does that require
what's the intent as it relates to enforcement it doesn't really speak to that it generally it it generally takes place when we get a call for service so if a resident calls a business owner or if somebody's driving around officer observes it firsthand then we can take action if an officer finds someone
that's in distress then the officer without a call may feel that it's necessary to initiate the protocols because they don't want to leave someone in distress but I I'm not I agree with the chief i'm not aware of anything that
mandates a particular type of policing when there's not correct no no no but our community when they're up in arms about a homeless person being near their house they're going to call us to do something and the chief can tell you I was sat on
the homeless trust for many years and the police don't want the homeless in their car because they defecate when they're in the car they don't want to be taken anywhere they want to stay where they are and you know it's a mental illness it's not a anything else and we
have no mental illness facilities anymore and that's the big problem so we got to be very careful where we tread on this and and I will revote thank you all right uh Madame Clerk you heard that we're going to revote and you may note your protest if you
wish make a motion to revote uh do I have to do No you just mayor according to Roberts yes as the chair of the meeting you determined that further discussion existed among colleagues terminated the vote to allow
your colleagues to fully discuss the issue right and if there's a more technical mechanism again Roberts is supposed to help not get in the way understood so Madame Clerk do another roll call please commissioner Shernoff yes commissioner Florimmon
yes commissioner Jean yes commissioner Smuckler yes vice Mayor Sue yes mayor Michael Joseph yes next item may I just So we we we do have a policy that pertains to this legislation here so
this ordinance so I'm not sure if you have it but we do have a policy a homeless policy okay sure absolutely all of that sure yes all of that if you can get us a copy that'll be good and it's outlined pretty much what you're asking for okay thank you thank you so much too uh next item
motion ordinance 252 25 no no that's we we we um put that we push it to the table to the next I I this is the discussion I have to have because I don't think that this has been I have been on the PUC for about two
years we have had delinquent accounts we are so catching up with that still last year we had to take the general fund of $4 million to replenish our water plant and now we're putting in an ordinance that will actually guarantee that the that the property owner the landlord is
going to be responsible for their tenants bill if the they disappear so we should keep this on we should keep this so okay so you want to It's first reading um so can I have a motion to introduce motion
we have a motion and a second to introduce um is there any discussion on this particular ordinance first reading though seeing Well first reading there no first reading public comment public comment is first reading on this issue i'm going to open up public comment for
this issue do we have any one on the audience that wants to speak on this particular item 11.2 would you like the director to speak well it's kind of self-explanatory um seeing none I'm closing public comment bringing it back before the day do we have any discussions on the on the item
motion to approve do second madam clerk can you do a roll call commissioner Florymore yes commissioner Jean yes commissioner Smuckler yes commissioner Shernoff yes vice Mayor Sue yes mayor Michael Joseph yes as a 60 no first reading
uh next item is 11.3 renaming co-desation of portion of South Glaze Road between South Miami Drive to Northeast 21st Avenue as St fort Drive sponsored by me um this is my item i have Mr st ford here in the audience
evan Staint who's been um a storeart in our community he's been on the his well talk about his family um his family's been in this community for a long long time providing services longer than I've been alive move to approve
what but just this is a very special moment um uh and I would like to have him come up a little bit to I know you're you're you're a man of few words but you like to take a lot of pictures but I was wondering if you can come up real quick Mr st fort um and to speak to
the the quality of care the the volunteerism that you and your family have put forward to the city from the chamber on down you continue to give back and this is just one um small piece we can show our appreciation in doing so you've sponsored I don't know how many
events and I don't know yeah countless events in the city and you continue to do so without any accolades but the simple fact that you want to give back so Mr sfort please uh the mic is yours well thank you for giving us the floor uh first and foremost I want to just say thank you to everybody for even
considering doing something like this when um I got the news I told my family about it and they were all like so surprised and so hysterical um kind of like what you mentioned Michael um my family just to give you a little bit of history has been in the funeral industry
for over 30 plus years father started the company overseas in Haiti and uh we have three funeral homes there and from there I decided I wanted to get into business and so I went to school and we opened up our first funeral home in the States in North Miami Beach and so now
from this funeral home we've been serving the community now I think 22 years um and like Michael has said usually anyone that knocks on our door for any help um my parents myself and the family we always usually say yes and that's been tough for us because
um you know I it's it's hard for us to say no specifically to anyone in our community but um my parents kind of raised us you know to just always give back and so my father always told me you give back you know God will continue to give you and so that's just always been
the way we've uh been and um our goal also is to help the community of North Miami Beach because we want to see the best for our our community because we are here and so anything that's being done with the police or whatever is taking place I make sure that I'm
involved um because I want to see the best for the city or we want to see the best for the city so thank you for even considering this this is huge and we'll continue to do the best that we can do for the community and the people do I have any thoughts approve
second have a discussion about this yeah uh yes so we can have a discussion about it unanimously that we all approve yes yes we're going to do that i I will I will but um the vice mayor has a I do okay go for it um well first of all I have to
thank you i mean I think I've every every event that the PD has for example I've seen I've seen you sponsor it and you've always been around to support the community i think it's like very important i think it's uh what you do is substantial it's uh it's meaningful um
at the same time when I like today I just saw a lady who really deserves a street named after her and that's Sally Haymon we don't have a street named after her we No we we we have a we we designated an area first which one was
that um what snake Creek Canal she has a whole canal she has a whole canal yeah she has a whole canal but why is it still called S Canal it's better than a street do we have a street for Ron Silver um Madam Madam building no we have a building but not a street my my
point to saying this is I think that um I think that our Oh really yes it's Ron Silver Boulevard 183rd and the building is named after this building is named after Ron Silver Boulevard according Yeah in this in the S center um madam madam commissioner madam commissioner
moment of personal privilege um I'm sorry madam vice mayor thank you um last meeting i know last meeting i I want to milk it u madam vice mayor umh if if we may proceed with the topic at hand please and we can we can address
we can address your concerns at another time yeah because if we can address those concerns at a different time but if we can proceed with what's on the agenda at this time okay so got it so let's um continue i just Well no and to to your point like I said I'm going to
be working with um Commissioner Chronoff we're going to work on this legislation together because we we've been talking about this for quite some time and make sure that we do it the right way y and and understanding the history in the city because you as far back as you gone and I and from my and given the fact that I'm the tit of the head and I have
from a ceremonial standpoint that this is my position but you you have in-depth history behind this and I have to respect that thank you so I'm going to that's I want to work with with So I say we table this until you're meeting with Commissioner Cherno no no no no no no that's not No no that's not good if we
um and and um Madam Madame Commission Madame Vice Mayor thank you so much for agreeing to stick to the topic at hand so that we can move this item forward um and and I I'm I I wanted to just add Yeah we do have a motion we do have a motion in a second i just wanted to say
that I'm in support of this um your family uh means a lot to this entire community of South Florida and now moving across the country actually um and you're expanding into other businesses as well yeah we've opened up in um Fort Pierce we've opened up in Maryland right and so yeah and you're
also expanding in other business areas as well and and it it's just what you've contributed from a a socioeconomic and also philanthropic uh um angle to our community um and you are synonymous with North Miami Beach um and especially the
chamber right oh the chamber and so it it is um it is our honor to to to do this so thank you very supportive so I got a book and I just wanted to mention um there was that little girl that died that the police department was so upset about a few years ago yes um I don't
remember i'm sorry i have actually have a picture of her in my office and yes we did the service for that family service they paid for like everything for them thank you i remember thanking you that day i'm going to thank you again you're welcome so we have a motion and second
all in favor say I i any oppose nay nothing personal no okay next item mayor if we can jump to 11.5 we have the consultant here um that um would like to present um back to Let's go to 11.5
thank you sir i have a motion to introduce motion have a second second all right it is uh Miss Henry what happened um if I can have our
procurement director as well isn't it fluid control we're not doing it okay gentlemen if you can give me one second as it helps them load up the the presentation if I can have our our
procurement um director mayor and commission um so I'd like for um for our procurement director to just kind of walk us through very quickly on what the item um calls for um
so that we are we are clear um can you kind of explain the process good evening mayor commissioners uh so we are in the final one year uh renewal term for this uh trolley maintenance I'm
sorry management service agreement um typically in the final year we do market research we look at the contract to see if we're going to that if we're going to discontinue services or reprocure um at this time we've decided to uh renew the
contract or request for a renewal for 90 days instead of the uh the standard one year that is to review the current uh presentation and uh contract that's
being presented by the current serer uh proel um they have uh provided an option for us to uh kind of reimagine the trolley services so they are um a lot more streamlined and really service the
community as we've been uh talking about for several months now so um at this time we're going to uh have a presentation by Proel and this is going to give us an opportunity to see what could be um for our trolley trans for our trolley services over the next uh
couple years and um we we are going to bring it back in 90 days to determine if we're going to go this route so this is an opportunity for us to view and make that decision for the uh the final year of services
thank you you guys ready yes perfect thank you good evening everyone can you hear me uh my name is Jason Moyer uh I'm the director of operations for ProCal Mobility good evening commissioners mayor staff
uh my name is Justin Kis i'm the senior vice president for ProCal Mobility good evening i'm Ed Carion i'm the chief operating officer for ProKill hello Sam Goblehead partner of Prokill good evening everyone first and foremost
I want to express my deepest gratitude to the honorable mayor Michael Joseph the esteemed commissioners our dedicated city manager our city clerk city staff and of course the wonderful residents of North Miami Beach north Miami Beach we
heard you we've taken the time to listen to the concerns of the community we've reviewed the transit data studied the operational costs consulted with experts in risk management and ensures and most importantly we've had meaningful
conversations with each and every one of you to understand your vision for the future of for transportation in our in our city in the attached agenda we propose service improvements and service
enhancements to boost wrership increase writership satisfaction and bring about a $2 million cost reducing the financial burden of our community improving ridership experience by cutting the
average weight times for a bus from 75 minutes to 45 minutes around the clock and creating new revenue opportunities through advertising partnerships including vehicle wraps interior display screens helping generate funds that come
back to the city and the community one of the some of the um things that we saw is the current headways that go from 90 minutes 75 minutes 62 minutes to one route that's up to 120 minutes and we've
made in what we proposed in the um attachment how to improve those headways down to 45 minutes where we'll also in introduce some supplemental services in the in the Ulita area and use some of
the Miami Dade County funded routes like Route 75 and Route 9A to stop the duplication of some of the routes and um and make the service um more optimized in that we saw some of the fleet of some
of these trolleys as you guys see that are getting near their useful life our company in conversations with some the city manager city staff some of the comm many of the commissioners were introducing to buy
five new vehicles to bring to the city as you see here in some of the service area maps we would introduce some of the shuttle vehicles like they use um in Sunny Owls and some new EV vehicles that
are powered and electric some of the service enhancements that we would do is we would retire some of the underperforming routes while maintaining access to all the destinations improving the headway eliminating lowperforming
bus stops and giving the city something um that a private contractor like us would do is have a vehicle replacement plan where every year you would get a new vehicle as we proposed we would share some of that advertising revenue
with the city after um with the net profits and we would also with the wrership experience we would produce a new app for the city where you would see the trolley buses you would see the Miami date county buses it would give an
opportunity for residents to see all of the services at once that's pro going through all the city of North Miami Beach surrounding areas including any of the uh multimodal and train services we have a lot of pride
operating service here as you know ProCal Mobility 5 years ago North Miami Beach was the second contract that we had we now are a national company that operated in over 12 cities we headquartered here in North Miami Beach right in front of Jackson
North we take a lot of pride serving here you saw some of the residents that came in today and spoke about their service and how important it is just to some of those um and many residents spoke our company is always open to make
any adjustments that the city thinks that it needs we're open to it we're flexible um we want to thank the commissioners because you guys are very passionate about this service we listened to you to make sure we made some adjustments and the city manager
and his staff we did this coin jointly and you know we appreciate your time and we appreciate the city and we're here to make any modifications across this service and we put a proposal here to do um you know continue for five more years
with some extension to be able to cover the cost for the new vehicles that we're buying and the service that we're bringing forward and um Kelly can you go over some of the the the routes uh the maps themselves i
believe that was in the presentation but if we can just kind of highlight that and and what those changes look like okay if you look at the map in front of you which is the service maps if you look at the um gray the the
little boxes area this service right now has two buses that services the Ulita one of the things that we proposed is to have one bus go in there so it won't double lap the service it would extend
1.5 miles to um Golden Glades and it would still do and we'll still reduce it from 60 minutes to 45 minutes improving the service and in this area we'll also propose two electric SUVs that would do
on demand that would supplement that service um in this map you will also see to the right on the right of the map there's something called um for Miami date route 75 that goes into Eastern Shores this is
one of the lowest performing routes and that route that's provided by Miami Dade it doubles with that route so through the study we saw that this is a route that can be eliminated so we could use the resources from the funding that is
allocated to be able to do um buy more vehicles and make the routes more optimized one of the changes as well if you um route 9A which is provided by Miami Day Transit goes all the way to
Eastern goes all the way to Aventura um we heard the concerns of um commissioners the public and the study and we saw that that one route goes up every 20 minutes to Aventura and they all meet all the buses meet at Walmart
um and in the back of Walmart where there's a um multimotal bus ride so our um residents could catch those buses and go anywhere they could go all the way to Aventura on the Miami day transit route or they could go anywhere in the city
because they all stopped there one of the things I didn't mention is one um but it's in the proposal we're going to be working with the city and doing marketing and community outreach so before anything goes out we're going to be working with the community community
stakeholders and educating everybody on on the services are what we want to do is educate everyone on what are the services that are out there so we don't duplicate the service right now the city currently pays us $10,000 a month to
lease vehicles cuz the city um needed more vehicles for the service once this is implemented you won't have that's $120,000 right away a year you're saving and you the the city will be able to save that money and use it for whatever services you need thank you
um thank you for that presentation let me see if I bring it back to the deis um do I have any discussions on the presentation commissioner Turnoff thank you for bringing the proposal i I think you've really done your homework and brought a good proposal to us um I
want everybody to be clear that we are the one that thing that Phyllis has been complaining about about our our own trolley is being eliminated and saving us $10,000 a year that was totally not servicing our residents a month a month
a month well $120,000 a year um that that's a wonderful thing the question I have is that the five years that you're asking and and I understand the investment you're doing with new vehicles that's that's pretty extensive to put electric vehicles and on demand
and the system i don't know how we're going to implement it that you know people call it and everything but that's that's wonderful to have um in the contract what kind of protection do we have as a city as far as if we're
unhappy with your service if it's not working out and we sign a contract for any period of time so Commissioner to to answer that um that's one of the the items that we'll be um negotiating um within the 90 days to bring back a contract to you in the past in other
contracts what I have done to help um fix that concern there's a huge cost that the vendor puts in for capital improvement we're talking probably between the five buses or or whatnot correct me if I'm wrong but it's probably over a million um or pretty
close to it yeah yes um so typically what we what I've been able to negotiate in past cities um is that there's a still a termination for convenience clause but there's a prorated aspect for the life and the value of of the asset
and so the further along you get into that contract the less that asset is worth and if we terminate on year four for example um then there's an opportunity in which whether it's year 1 four or five there would be an opportunity in which the the vendor can
say "Hey I've got plenty of other clients i can just take these buses and and go somewhere else that's fine." Or the city can say "Hey we're going to purchase whatever the value is after the the depreciation uh depending on the year in which the termination for
convenience is." Um that's been something that's regularly been done for different type of contracts and I think there's room for us to negotiate that here as well thank you thank you uh so much um great
presentation i was watching it from um the lounge uh and uh my question would be uh Mr manager as far as the contract that they currently have um and some of these clauses that
uh Commissioner Turnoff was referencing um are aren't those clauses transferable and just adjusting the numbers to reflect what we're looking at right now so currently um all but one vehicle is
owned by the city of North Miami Beach and uh they're in the end of life no no I'm under I understand that part what I'm saying is as far as any any language relating to termination um for convenience or uh KPIs and things of
that sort that Commissioner Turnoff was talking about um we have the numbers here right so we know what they are for the most part right so we have those numbers are those is that same language not transferable to the new agreement for for the most part there's nuances um
depending on on this proposal that they've offered um and and how they would like to move forward where the city needs to kind of review that and work with the city attorney um to ensure that the city is protected as well as understanding the the upfront costs that
they're bringing to the table as well so the majority of of your answer is yes but there are nuances that we just got to make sure that all parties agree on okay uh Mr attorney barring any significant um barring any significant
um issues with um putting this agreement together are we able to I'd like to make a motion to um to approve uh for the five years with ProClell well to answer your question um you can make the motion
to go ahead and move forward with that and just add the language subject to reaching an acceptable agreement between the city and the vendor and we'll make it our business to do something as we always do that will provide the
protection and in doing so will be guided in part by your comments we as the manager said we we typically include a termination for convenience clause but where there is a large upfront investment by the vendor we do have to
be cognizant of that fact and we can't you know terminate 60 days in when they've invested in new equipment for a 5year period um it's a convenience to the city to
allow us to amvertise the costs that they would be charging over the five-year life of the contract um instead of having to pay it all upfront but nonetheless we have to have
a right to terminate but if we do there has to be some agreement on I would call it a termination payment technically that's not correct it's it's a way of of thinking of it but
what it really is there has to be it's not based on them making a profit for a five-year period presumably they're in business they're operating at some profit um but it's based
on recouping what would otherwise absent an agreement be a large upfront cost for us that's amvertised so we have to separate in some manner uh if we terminate early they don't get the the rest of the
contract but we do have to address they have a pretty good idea of the portion that constitutes the upfront investment that's being advertised um unless we have reason to disbelieve or disagree
with that and that's why staff comes in it's not strictly the attorney so I mean we don't know what these things cost but staff has a a pretty good idea so we agree on a number and say if this is
the upfront cost depending on how much of it we've advertised through the payments how much do we still owe for what would could have and would have been an upfront cost and make some arrangement that they can get that back
but they will not continue to earn the profit by executing the remainder of the contract i'm sorry if that's No no no i'm I'm hearing you clearly i I just like I said the numbers are here right so my question was and I'm I appreciate
your answer is in the way that the um motion would be framed would that be the appropriate way to frame the motion subject to now listen if for some reason we were completely unable to
reach a contractual agreement um and and all these very nice well-dressed gentlemen that are up here with in all earnestness i didn't see that their attorney was here and he or she could be you know problematic if we could not reach a
contractual agreement which is unlikely but not impossible what we would probably do in consultation with the manager sniff sniff um we would probably look to bring it back to you
and say there is a difference between their position and ours that we can't reconcile and do you want us to hold to our
agreement void what you voted because the contractual details are improper or do you want us in the interest of having it go forward to
yield on some contract demand that their council is making for the benefit of getting it done or maybe instruct us to try to bridge the gap we won't agree to something that we think doesn't protect
the city or is going to cost an improper amount but that doesn't mean we're just going to say "Sorry deals off." If we were in that circumstance because you've asked for it we'll bring the contract issue back to you in conjunction with
the manager and and u we would let you make that decision and say you're right we can't yield on this point or you know we really want to see this work it out and commissioner to to the attorney's point um even if if you
approved the overall premise of the five years in the new and the new service that they're recommending um we would bring back the contract for approval um for you hopefully sooner than the 90 days but I wanted to make sure that we had plenty of time to to do that so So I'll I'll second his motion but I still
want to continue discussing with that stipulation with that stipulation but I still want to continue discussion pardon me well that that's not technically my motion no no can you cl He was He was My motion was My motion was Can you clarify your motion maybe it's my motion it's It's five It's the
five years right um subject to the staff reaching an agreement with um Proel and if that doesn't happen then it would come back all right so well it's still coming back we're done no no no unless
he would put it back on unless unless it's the impass in regards to the to the wrapping up the nuance issues right okay right so that's a motion and a second but I still want I No we're going to have discussion we're going to have discussion yes so we have a motion in a second based on that who's the second
commission you're still a second yes okay cool now we're going to open up for discussion for the rest of my colleagues uh should I I Oh Commissioner Smucker sorry okay thank you so um I I met with you a few weeks ago maybe it was last week or the
week before whatever but um I don't think you said it now if you did I apologize um you had mentioned um that you would wrap the the cars with advertising yes yes Commissioner so then
when that gets wrapped how I how are you going to split that the So whatever the cost is whatever money comes in whatever the profit is we'll split it 50/50 with the city and have you done this with any other city yes and what type of a profit
does it more or less so we're we're estimating in the the first year to around $30,000 the to a year 30,000 total no and in and in and net from 15 each yes that's what we're
estimating 15 advertising okay oh yeah we have to make sure it's and and one of the things that we're looking at is actually handing you a check versus taking it out from our from our invoice because if we hand you a check you can do whatever you want with the money versus if we take it out our invoice you
never see it so that way you could utilize the money okay thank you and then the other thing is so you're going to eliminate the the route in Eastern Shores yes and you're going to eliminate the route to Aentur Mall yes okay and
and are you eliminating any other route no we're what what there's two buses on the Ulita route mhm so um there's going to be now one bus on there but we're going to add two supplemental vehicles that could supplement in the area where
somebody could um either call in to get picked up or get picked up on demand in that area what about in Highland Village that veh that that vehicle will still go through there and we're going to reduce that that down to 45 minutes as well
we're going to reduce the the wait times right now it's about an hour and some minutes so how how is it that you you reduce it so Ed do you want to answer that so there's a couple of segments that we've looked at uh that that can be eliminated uh and or you know some of
the stops moved over um so one of the things that we looked at when we started looking at at these uh alignments is making sure that we don't take anything away that anything that we move or change can be supported by other services so like like you said on on uh
uh route E and route A the you know th those are already being serviced by Miami Dade on on these other routes uh the changes that we're making are basically alignments so instead of you know doing a lot of turns we're going to go straight down and we'll move the the
route over the stops over and we looked at some of the stocks typically include also in the contract that this is not carved in stone for 5 years and that those details can be adjusted but there could be a financial consequence
depending if the adjustment was minor and didn't require additional force that's one thing but if we said oh we want you know two extra vehicles or something then that obviously has a financial consequence and one of the So we looked some of the stops that were
low low performing like there's probably only let's say two people that would get on that stop a week those are like low performing stops that um you know that's how we would we looked at some of the low performing stops that gives us save
us time from the vehicle going through the route okay and then you did a a study on this yeah we hired a consultant to do a study and then we looked at all of the data that we've collected since we started here in the service okay so I
I I do have um similar concerns as Commissioner Florond if we wanted to um um for whatever reason um cancel the you know not wait five years and it and and it's not that you necessarily are doing a bad job it it
also could be you could sell the company if you you never know you can never say never and um I was never going to move from my home in Miami Beach and I was never going to be a commissioner so here I am you'll never sell that barber shorts building yeah
i uh so anyhow um so if something were to happen that we we weren't I'm um Attorney Geller I'm I'm I'm I am concerned about um and and
also because our city has had so much bad luck with um longterm contracts with May I add because you said that was my concern i just want to be very clear the concern was Commissioner Turnoff's concern um that's number one cuz I that's number one i I I wanted to speak
to that concern because Okay sorry it was right we're negotiating a new a new contract and I just thought that those particular um uh recital can just be transferred over to make sure that the protections are there i think from Commissioner um Smoker's standpoint is
what what mechanisms can we have to not be so locked in and to clarify city attorney what Yeah because we we just haven't had luck in our city with u transferred yeah yeah yeah but she I think she just wants to hear what what are our options
based on the answer is that you know we we do have a right to be able to terminate the agreement for cause or for convenience yes we have a right to get out of it but
what we don't have is a right to ask them to not charge us upfront for whatever costs they're going to incorporate they get they get cost and they get profit i mean that's that's the
components of what they're charging mhm and if it's cost and they're laying the money out typically they would want that to be paid on the spot because there's a cost and a finance charge and etc that
goes with that but the fact that the company is willing to amvertise that which by the way probably does include a finance charge because somebody's got to pay it and as they say in Latin there ain't no such thing as a free lunch but
the the point is that if we're asking them to not charge that upfront and to do us the courtesy of putting the charge and the finance charge which they're responsible for
obtaining over time while we can get out of the contract and no longer continue to operate the the service basically on you know 30 60 90 days notice whatever ever we uh
negotiate we can't by doing so fail to pay what would have been an upfront cost that they advertised so if if the total cost of the contract is
$100 and $60 of it is for upfront equipment costs and the other is for you know personnel and and uh profit um and we terminate the contract if it's a year's contract and we terminate it six
months in we've presumably paid off half that 60 bucks that was the equipment and finance charge but when we terminate and say we don't want it for the other six months
we got to pay the other 30 bucks that's owed for the what were upfront equipment costs we have flexibility on whether to maintain it and to pay for the other portions of it but we do have to pay off
if we terminate early and and then the other question I wanted to ask and it's the last one and this is I think what had happened originally with the water plant that it was originally CM2 and became Jacob so um and that might have actually been part of the pro
beginning of the problems so I just want to make sure that um that maybe if if and I'm I'm not an attorney so I don't know the legal words if if it's even allowed but if there's like let's say he were to sell that um it would have to be
like a mutually agreed upon continuation of a contract by both parties you like that i'm not sure I understand the question you understood me ass if in the event in the event the vendor sells to someone else
that the continuation of the contract has to be mutually agreed by both parties in some Well we can't stop him from selling his business no I'm not I'm just saying that we have a right we can I mean this is
what lawyers do this is why it's not just automatic because we might say that we will only agree to their assignment of their contract to another party by because of
a sale or takeover a stock transfer a lot of ways it can happen we might only agree to it if we approve of who they're selling it to that we have the right not to
agree if they're selling it to uh uh not to continue the contract yes but they'll push back on that because they want to be able to sell they want to sell it because they have our contract but I also and look I
I think these are wonderful people a clause that says that for the contract to continue we have to approve who they're selling it to but our approval
cannot be un thank you unreasonably withheld and that means if they come forward with somebody that we have legitimate reason to think can't do the contract because of the three bankruptcies they just did where left
people high and dry that's one thing but if we say nah I don't like the way the guy wears his hat they have a right to say "Yeah that's not reasonable." And if we don't agree on what is and isn't reasonable we are all blessed to live in
this great country where people get paid to wear black robes and make independent judgments about whether we're being unreasonable or they're being unreasonable goes to court and a judge i got it look we we really do have a good
relationship with um Proel and Proel I think has a good relationship with North Miami Beach i know that you've you've done concessions for us and and I appreciate it and I just want to make sure that um we're covered in case one
day you decide you want to retire and um enjoy life right you maybe you'll take a a a page from Mario's book and um I'm leaving commissioner I u I'm in agreement with
the city attorney and you know for for the public record if you want to put that in the contract I'm agreeing it to I'm agreeing it right now okay so just to put you at ease asking you so so uh can we call the question no no there's more discussion still
okay future vice mayor the other question I have is the two routes that you're eliminating that had low ridership what happens to those people that were riding it h how do we accommodate them can I
say something before you mention that through the chair Mr um I was about to call you senator but I had a chance to ride the e- route um a few days ago and it's to be clear it's not an underutilized route um I
went on it i spoke to residents that were on it some were getting groceries some were you know running errands so it's not underutilized um so to your point I I know there's some concession that are going to be made but there are
real people riding that trolley and Mr manager I don't know if you had staff ride it that that particular day what was any feedback from that again the the route is is definitely um used i think all of our routes are are used the proposal that
that in working with the with with the vendor is being able to supplement that route um because there is a lot of overlaps um throughout our our route so we've optimized that um so we're still going
to be servicing um those residents it might not be with a particular route for route E but we are still servicing the idea is still to service those areas while reducing um the amount of time between the stops or doing a a full
route which will then make it easier for people to get along because they don't have to wait an hour an hour and a half for this trolley to come to then meet this other trolley over there it's trying to find ways to make everything kind of work a little bit better um
together i want I want to let the Do I have to Can I speak i want to let the commission know our lot in North Miami Beach um has expanded and we have a lot of vehicles
there at any time during this contract and the city attorney could put it that way whatever modifications the city might want to do to the way that the contract the the way that the routes are
we're open to modify that so I I and I think that um as we continue to do the outreach we'll we'll we'll be monitoring the routes will be working with Kleen and city staff to look at the wrership number continuously i think that if the
city were to move forward tonight and approve going for the 5 years this gives us the opportunity to now go purchase those vehicles and as the as we operate the service it could be month one month two month three we'll be communicating
with the city on the wrership trends and things of that nature and we're all we could we would be able if needed get one of the small one of these on demand vehicles and if you want to put a trolley back on a route we're open to that uh it's the way we structured it
it's not to go above what's budgeted so we understand what's the city's budget we worked to optimize it reduce the cost and taking one of these vehicles out and putting it somewhere else if that's what the commission wants to do we have the
flexibility to do that without going over whatever your bud your your yearly budget is so I just want the commission to understand that yeah he didn't answer my question okay in in regards to the Eastern Shores that we're going to
eliminate because of ridership right yes okay well there was some ridership right yes so what are we saying how they going to ride where are they going to ride how are they going to get service they would be able to write route 75 which is a Miami date county route
that already goes through there like our So it's a duplication of services that were eliminating it by correct they'll still pay for the 75 but they No no no i'm not I'm not They'll still be ser Okay so there's a charge
take Commissioner Turnoff I think I had um and this is why I have an issue about cutting services and this is weird this is it's always been strange to me that every time somebody wants to help you especially in this type of um especially when it comes
to this trolley they want to hurt you like I don't I never understood when people want to help you they their argument in regards to this I want to hurt you and this is what we're hurting we're gonna hurt a couple of people that do utilize that service that count on that service because for some reason it
made logical sense that to help the the that community you got to take away something and it that that didn't make any sense to me i don't think we should be cutting any type of route service that's me personally but you know that's just my
thought i just want you to understand that like they it's and every time there's a cut it's always on the back of of people that have the least amount of power or Yeah know my concern was that we were leaving them high and dry and we weren't doing anything for them but if we are we're going to have to pay for
75 they can get a golden pass and for free but not everybody's eligible like an eligible person for that like there are people that that that take the promise and remember that we this year uh through the FTO grant we've expanded our um our fleet for uh on demand uh
freebie service as well we went from five vehicles to 10 to help improve those time frames so that's not a service that we're we're affecting at all so that's still available to them as well thank you my ask real quick is that um like I asked for uh if if somebody
from your staff can ride the trolley for a specific amount of time that's going to be my ask for route A and E that you know we make sure that whoever rides it has fair notice and whatever outreach can be done so if the if the motion the
maker of the motion can can make sure that's in it i like that yeah give notice how much how when does it take effect anyways so if the city was to make a motion today this would take we would start we
would you know go out start purchasing vehicles and then we'll start doing the outreach it'll be about 90 days to do the outreach so 90 days to eliminate the routes in Eastern Shores and Aventur and Aventur correct and but we would we and if the city wanted to wait some more
time we can it depends on whatever the city wants to do but we would at least need 90 days to go and start having the vehicles come in it's a lot of notice that it is but um vice mayor has been waiting so allow her to Mr mayor all
right so um let me clarify you were talking about the advertising funds or profits is about 15 thou 30,000 for like without the cost the sharing is that like net income that's the net that
that's the net per year or per month per year per year okay and that is for how many vehicles this is for all of the vehicles this is what on the but I'm assuming that some of your other cities may have more yeah this for
this is going to be for um five vehicles five vehicles so we would have a little less than that roughly then 30,000 have four vehicles no for all of the all of the vehicles for the service no what I mean is like that estimate that you got from the other income is that from five
vehicles okay got it thank you all right um the other one is um what is the Okay so when you know I know we're doing this whole depreciation thing with the with the contract but one thing that
I didn't notice that has been separated is the vehicle price that is going to depreciate and the service like the two numbers are still conflated together did I miss something be separated okay so that will be separated and then
and then we can then have a negotiation as to like what it is that we want all right um the So as far as the Oh when is the timeline for the on demand vehicles like how soon
can you get those in um as as soon as if the commission were to approve today we get the vehicles within 60 days wow that long yes okay no just check just checking
yes yes that's good yeah the the No no the reason the reason being is is is going to be because we have two items for your company today so uh this is actually a reference for the next conversation yes
I we're financially in a position to get the vehicles it's not that the vehicles is won't be the delay it'll be now the technology putting everything in place and having the right onboarding for it testing it so that that that would be
good okay so I see thank you all right i just have one question uh come back to me let her um cuz I I was thinking about my question i Oh okay so you you when you did the the um study the what what did it include like it it
included did it include like writers numbers of writership yes so did did you provide that numbers it's in the it's online so if anybody wants to see the numbers of writership they wait okay if
anybody wants to see the numbers of writership they can find it online yes and then they don't have to text me and say that you that you didn't even do that okay that it doesn't exist okay cool thank you oh this is about the the study
as well the collection like um how did you how did you come to that conclusion of this routing uh between all the different stops that you decided to do and shorten the routes and you know which direction to go we hired we hired a consulting firm um to take the lead in
the in the study and then we used the historical numbers we did some sampling where we would have um staff get go on the bus on certain days and do some sampling and we looked at all of the numbers and we were able to see which were the lowest performing stops some of
these stops some stops is just like one route is just um eliminating two stops one route is eliminating four four stops so um that's what we did to be able to optimize this service um I know that was something big that the city has always
wanted to do um is to optimize it and make it more efficient right i mean my I think I get a lot of complaints about timing like being on time well let me say on timing if I might vice mayor that um as procurement points out to me the
item tonight besides going forward with the the long-term plan is to extend the existing agreement for days it is possible that you know depending lawyers are not known for
speed so it is possible that it will take us a little longer to finalize the agreement and they still have no matter what i mean they'd probably they'd practically have to order those vehicles
tonight which wouldn't be prudent until we actually have a negotiated agreement yeah signed contract so you know you might see at some point that uh there could be another 30 or 60day extension
in your future the reason that the manager has selected 90 is to try to keep the pressure on to get this done and move to the new program as quickly as possible but there's just no guarantee that that's going to happen
because there is a lead time for them to get the vehicles and and it's not one it's five vehicles you want to have a signed contract in your hand before you order all right so I appreciate it so yeah let's go ahead and move this thing
forward um the motion is clear um it is to you're very clear on the motion right that's what that's what we've always been talking about oh sorry all right um I I I have a I'm I'm a little
hesitant about about the five routes i'm thinking of four is that like No no it's not so currently we have A through E already right do we have D1 and D2 still correct okay so we have D1
D2 so that means that we have six routes al together okay so um from my looking at the current routes that are there right now I think like E has a bus that subsidizes for it and then so does A right so when
we're looking at these routes then I'm thinking okay so if A and E are out four is left and instead like we now have five so um D1 will be eliminated well V2 D2 is eliminated right okay one of the
buses on the route yeah one bus not the route correct okay oh one B one same bus used twice in two different Yeah there's two buses on on the Ulita route on that route we're only going to be using one it'll be supplemented with Oh you got to
get on the mic the mic okay can you repeat that for the record please yes ma'am so so route A and E would be eliminated uh and route D has actually two buses we would take one bus out so we wouldn't eliminate the route and then
we would supplement it with the other two vehicles for for the supplemental uh on demand service okay so basically it's going to be three routes plus the two supplemental for All right thank you um and so the motion
to for the motion to be very clear uh Mr attorney um we understand that your duty is to go and negotiate along with the city manager and staff um an agreement with Proel for 5 years yes sir um and if there is not an impass that is the
negotiated contract um the manager has stated that he would want to bring the final contract back to you for approval well I'm just repeating the motion that I wanted to make very clear what it was that's your privilege right right and you and you clarified what that would look like so you know if there's no
issues then we're good to go yes um for the five years right yes sir and um one more please i'm sorry one one more i was going to add I was going to add well there will be we to the extent to answer the question excuse me mayor but the
question is asked but to the extent that any of you I if you are voting that you don't necessarily want to see the final to the extent that any of you have specific concerns such as Commissioner
Smuckler just raised and I've already had this conversation with purchasing um and we've I've talked to the purchasing director and I've discussed it but if you have particular thoughts I can't promise that they'll get in there but
please direct them to our office to the CEO and we'll at least raise them and see if we can negotiate your points in or try to get back to you and let you know why that can't be done final thoughts final thoughts okay
um currently I think what we your total number for each year is about 1.9 million correct for the for the for the five all all these routes the new cars current the for the current contract
for the current contract the current contract is 1.9 in the microphone please the current contract is at 1.9 Yeah what we're proposing is
1.8 and with a reduction of 100,000 and for the operating cost and then obviously we we've separated the the cost of the vehicles because you you're not incurring those costs right now correct yeah i mean we will be paying the depreciated value if we do cancel
okay and then we have um so so I'm thinking 180 and then of course like we get average advertisements for that which is 30 you know so and then like your your on demand vehicles can also get ads um I'm I'm wondering if we can look at something around in the one and
a half million portion right and and the reality is after a long after a study after all of these uh minds in transportation have put their have have come to the table um you know
there's that's a significant difference huge difference between 1.822 822 and 1.5 to be to have that discussion on a day I I don't I just I I don't understand but um yeah so the motion is
clear and also the 90 days leading to um this uh change um we wanted to make sure that we hear Commissioner Jean's point about um writing the uh trolley and telling people what's going on and making sure they're informed of the changes so that's my motion and it was
already seconded it's a voice vote mayor say I nay yes i think it's the extension right 11.4 yeah we went out of order
wait so did we extend the three months so what's happening in the next three months the contract is already I'm sorry wait hold on okay so Mr attorney um don't we have to do an extension for three months so by voting for the fiveyear we are
automatically go into the five i read it i thought there were two different resolutions three months to negotiate so what I mean manager was that included in the item the 90 extension was part of it wasn't
it yes sir yeah that was that was subsumed in the item it was the way it was written contract so moved yes so this item is for uh budgeted uh material and equipment for water plant
for pneumatic uh valves and control equipment that are uh tied more towards our nano R and portion of our lime softening uh system including valves and automatic uh you know system that we
need uh it's solar source procurement already advertised through the guideline and we're asking for approval for that all right bring it before the commission do I have any discussion on this item okay i have a motion and a second all in
favor say I i next item i have a quick question mr okay bo personal approval we already approved the I wanted to know do you have a total of what we spent on on such items uh we are trying to start uh thinking
about implementing renewal replacement program within our budget so we can have better tracking but at least at this point yes through our general ledger in munus we can track of our expenditure on those items next item madam clerk I don't because I
know we have some pulled this is it 9.2 or what is it we moved some items no that's a it's a No it was on that was approved consent it was a consent 9.5 9 uh can we go 9.5
no we didn't no we didn't it was that was No no no that was in 9.5 yes um move to intro do I have a a motion to move to introduce have a motion motion have a second second second okay city um attorney yes
sir 9.4 okay resolution item 9.5 resolution number R 2025-43 establishing a policy for expansion of NMB water service areas a resolution of the mayor and city comm
sponsored by Mayor Joseph a resolution of the mayor and city commission in the city of North Miami Beach Florida declaring it to be the policy of the city to establish and maintain NMBB water as a regional provider of water and sewer services expressing the city's intent to consider requests for sew service area expansions from public or
private utilities authorizing the city manager to receive such requests providing for an advisory recommendation process through the public utilities commission providing for implementation and providing for an effective date okay thank you so this item and I spoke with the manager about
this I'm going to I'm going to speed it up um so this item is just pretty much laying uh um laying out that we we're looking to expand um I've had discussions with the city of North Miami um and possibly expanding that um down down south and they have an inclination
of really you know uh coming into discussions where we can expand our our our water utility down there um to our sister city um which would be a kind of like a win-win situation we've um been working on this since uh at least January and
um and um I'm and basically I just went this is just a policy just setting out the direction and hopefully I can get you guys to support it and uh and Mr manager if you have any additional thoughts because you were at the same meeting as well and they seem pretty inclined to Yeah they they were definitely
interested in looking how we can partner um as we start looking at uh PAS uh mitigation as well as any potential sewer treatment uh mayor at the meeting uh you had mentioned to North Miami um that both North Miami and North Miami
Beach pay uh multiple millions of dollars for sewer treatment and that there was an opportunity for both of us to do it like half like no close to $5 million per month give or take right um director how much do we pay them per month for the wastewater oh per for the
wastewater to Wazi yeah over five million a year because we don't have a waste water wastewater and so treatment plant what what this does is it sets a policy in which staff will p provide for a um a procedure following one that's
already similarly established for the county in which how we evaluate any type of requests for expansion of service so that is the resolution do I I have a motion so I'm do I have a second second i have a quick question Mr mayor i think it's a great initiative and in light of
good faith I know Vice Mayor Sue was also in the same vein as you so just opening it up for any co-sponsorship opportunities here hey I'll just do it with entire commission we'll do it with the entire commission let So I'll sponsor Let's It'll be Maring Commission
maring Commission that's a good All right all in favor say I that's a great one passes unanimously look at that next item 9.5 96 move to introduce second
all right um Mr city Well Mr manager sure um in in also consideration for not only the transfer of but also the assumption of service um with Miami Date County um this item allows staff to
investigate and to look and to negotiate any type of um final um decision would have to come back to the commission for consideration and what that looks like it also sets for parameters in which uh needs to protect our system
um well before No no city um um Commissioner Smoker no I mean I actually what I was going to say that I'm not even sure if this is something we should be doing now or if we should wait until the bill passes or doesn't pass see and this is the reason I'm bringing this up
now so I can clarify right there has been stances in regards to how they've been pro like how and and I have to be very careful on this item how they treat people yes and how they treat people um and we have to get ourselves well
positioned because depending on if we don't do this if we don't set ourselves in a in a particular route because this thing the way that's moving it's July 1st mhm so this is positioning us to give us enough time to do what needs to be done to to have the discussions with
with the county if it does if this does happen and gives us the options not to say that we're giving we're not giving up on Miami Gardens let's be clear right there has to be some type of negotiations if if if we do go down that route that um that we're just setting out the par parameters about that's all
we're doing just setting the parameters i have a question as well you good so my question is from um the standpoint of of the accounts and also just the standpoint of approval right so let's say you start having the discussions you
understand the feasibility what does the approval process look like so does is this something that comes back to the commission for further and the reason I'm saying this is because in the discussion I'm sure there's things that all of us want to have questions about
so will this be your team solely having those discussions will we be invited to those discussions cuz I think it's important for us to also have our voice and some of the the the points that you'll be making during these discussions and for the sake of um you
know sunshine and so forth you know what would be a good avenue for us to be also privy to those discussions I want to add to that um to be clear um there's a mechanism based on how as a utility we can it's it's like we're as of right to
do certain things as of right so if you want to have this if you want to be in the meetings with the county or whatever that's one thing and that's what this all is because we have it as of right it's not like we need permission from any of our customers to do this right because if let's say because the thing is it has to be a cost benefit like if
it makes sense that uh if it makes sense that we we sell it wholesale whatever and and we do this process then it makes more sense to us because the the alternative would be increasing the rates and subsidizing well not to get in the weeds i I don't want to get Right
exactly but it's more it's more so not in the weeds of the technicalities right it's more so our ability to be in the room when those discussions are being that's the part that I'm trying to come to the table specific with the customer i just want to make that clear right right i get I got you
so the the county has a a process uh and a procedure for for these type of um um um requests uh the last one they did was I think almost 20 years ago when Miami Springs um gave up their their utility
to to the county um and so the process is all give me GIS data give me um um X data that you have we do an inspection and then there's an eval there's a financial analysis so it's
it's really technical there's not uh necessarily meetings of oh we like this or not i totally get that my point is those discussions we would all love to be privy to either being in the room whether it's technical that's the the whole point is not technicality of it
it's are we allowed or we will be we will we be privy to being able to be in those rooms when those conversations are had be it be it technical that that's really the question yes um to the to the commissioner's point I
think um you know the resolution talks about initiating transfer discussions now I just want to make sure because based on what I'm reading it's saying this is just to allow the discussions to to happen now as far as as far as as far
as information I get that i get that as far as as far as information I agree with you Commissioner yes that we should be privy to those details and um it's my assumption now but I would like for staff to further clarify what is my
assumption that those details are going to be brought back for discussion by the commission so I'm just I'm justing that was not the ask i think we're you're going around the question that I'm asking well what I'm saying is the valuation of things for instance what are they discussing i mean I'm not
trying to because there were other discussions had about water issues that all of us were not privy to and we were told details but we were not necessarily invited to the table right so no I'm not disagreeing with you I just here it says here the subject like let's talk about
valuation compensation of infrastructure assets reciprocal transfer of service accounts retention of water production facilities if are are those the to the maker of the uh of the resolution right are those the specific specific uh uh items that will be discussed in these
it's it'll be it'll be tied to the ordinance itself that's it we're just So those are the only items that will be discussed right the items that were listed here on the ordinance and the and I know we're we're we're And the ask is when you are initiating these conversations and actually having them
that all of us are privy to attending and briefed not only briefed but able to attend with the county there's a big difference yeah yeah i have no issues I see no issues with that at all i think that's I know you only have 60 days now Mr manager no well this this process is
not a 60-day process exactly um but but it's a start um I I will I will tell you from from a staff perspective um Commissioner um yes um you can always come to the meeting i don't think you're going to get anything
out of the meeting uh because staff will always recognize um just like if an attorney comes then the other party's attorney has to be there right and so if that comes in then it's going to be okay well then the district uh commissioner
will be invited you guys will have your say but then staff is going to have to meet with staff because this is just on the on the technical nuance that evaluation of assets and all these types of things that is that is strictly the data and the numbers and give me the GIS
and this data and give me that it's not like we're we're sitting across the table and negotiating the tone point but we can definitely make it um so that you can be part of it but yeah I would love to then that meeting completely chang so
So you got the you got the Okay we got to Yeah she has a she's Thank you sir all right so um I before we have this conversation actually it could happen concurrently what I think is we should do a rate
study like anything to preempt anything that is going to be transferred whether Miami Gardens is going to you know kick up a fuss and decide they want to leave us and go to Miami date county like all of that is irrelevant if we do a rate study and then we're clear on that then we can you know at the same time
negotiate this thing but what I'm not seeing is I'm not seeing a rate study so I know that we passed a rate study yeah we did pass a rate study a year ago yes ma'am as as upgraded as as updated uh we do have a rate study um staff um before had not started it when they should have
and we currently have our our new directors um taking up the the mantle on that to move us and get us up to date so there is a rate study going on we are working with a consultant and we're hoping to bring all that back by September yeah so by September
Yes ma'am commissioner six months well that that is the project timeline as of right now there could be delays depending on the data or whatnot but as we see that right now the update is to bring it back in September it's not it's not even that okay no we're not going anywhere but that legislation might be
active July 1st of 2025 oh he's not going anywhere no he's not going we're telling him no Commissioner because Commissioner Turnoff and then we'll close wait hold on so um apart from the rate study now with this said um I'm I'm saying that we have
12,789 accounts in Miami Gardens my request is that um when if there's any kind of negotiation what um try not to make it person please like please okay i have to be broad got it
okay so so any exchange is like I I don't want to sell off things we're not selling okay okay that commissioner turn off all I'm saying is I'm in favor of this but don't look just south look east
and northwest yes that's all-encompassing y and final thought Commissioner Flormont yes on this issue um uh and and with respect to what uh Commissioner Jean was saying um you know my my comments were simp were mainly uh about
what the resolution is stating right um but there is a valid concern that she has right and that is we don't want to repeat the mistakes of the past if I'm assuming that that's where she was going is that we need to really be wellversed on what it is that if we get to the point that we're going to give something
uh we need to know if the valuations are correct and and premise of the argument this is our nest egg that's what that's what staff yeah well well but but here's the oh no no wait let me be clear let me be clear with this item I took a look there was there were there were people coming up here saying we're selling it
off right they and they were just trying to make it doing on a roundabout way that was doing what a couple of these people were a part of back in 2016 and and that was severely offensive to me certain people that were like rah
rah this boom ba this is the best thing since sliced bread and I had to take it this is not what this is we got to make sure that that we're getting the best bang for a buck we're not selling off anything we're not We have an issue with
a very aggressive customer base out there that could hurt us yes so let's move forward let's move forward so this is this is right this is to address to address that and we just want to make sure that it's addressed the proper way so I just wanted to make that comment towards um Commissioner Jean i understand you i understand where
you're coming from so um aside from that I'm ready to got a motion and a second all in favor say I i any oppose oh passes unanimously next item six 6 next item 9.7 what is 9.7 pardon
oh chief 9.7 resolution item 9.7 resolution number R2025-45 reinstating the sergeant-at-arms program uh sponsored by the chief of police a resolution of the mayor and city commission of city of North Miami Beach Florida repealing
resolution number R2023-20 which terminated the police department sergeant-at-arms detail policy reinstating the sergeant-at-arms program directing the city manager to implement the program providing for an effective date thank you good evening again uh last commission meeting I was
given direction to create a sergeant-at-arms policy uh which uh we did uh the policy outlines uh restrictions scope of duty special assignments and also create a proposed budget on what the sergeant-at-arms
would look like as far as uh as cost goes um I believe you have that information with you uh as far as the cost goes I gave you a cost that is um it was more of a an an estimate of what it would look like so it's not a real
number um and again I just wanted to make it clear that as public servants and law enforcement officials uh our job is to protect and serve um and if there is an issue or a threat of any kind we
will address it accordingly i'll take any questions that you have of course question go ahead Commissioner chief in comparison to the previous um policy what's the contrast is there if any so yeah so this this policy outlines
uh restrictions and um also gives us the opportunity to become available upon request so uh now it's a 72 hours we'd have to be notified 72 hours in advance if a request a request were to come in from a mayor or commission requesting
services uh it's also outlined what we will not do in in our capacity as sergeant-at-armat- arms i can list those for you if you'd like please do yeah so there's four main ones uh which is uh perform personal errands for mayor commission provide transportation for
events that are personal in nature transport family members of elected officials unless in an official capacity and engage in duties outside the scope of official city business i have another question thank you for that so in in in this in the
um in this in the instance that there is an incident affecting a commissioner or two or more right what triggers additional security so would the sergeant of arms cover that or would would the natural nature of what you
guys do cover that so every threat uh is specific case specific uh the venue that would be traveling to the environment uh again any potential threats that we could encounter would then require a response from us on the level of of officers that we were assigned to that
to that particular commissioner at the time so it's it's a broad answer because it just it depends on a lot of factors commissioner Turnoff when I was elected we got rid of the program the reason we got rid of the program was because of how badly it was
abused in the past and I think we're going down a slippery task if we slippery road whatever to put this thing back in motion if we all remember during this tenure of all of us there was an
incident with Israel and events we were going to that we had police protection without a sergeant-at-arms program that they had to cover us because there was a threat to us so our police department would step in at that point and whatever
the cost is will have to be you know dealt with but we don't need a sergeant-at-arms to give people ammunition to say how bad we are or how stupid we are for reinstating it when it was so abused last time i think we're going down the wrong road so to Okay go
to to Commissioner U shernoff's point it goes back to my question kind of right so is there a mechanism to request it outside of the policy so uh to Commissioner Charles's point that was a specific event with potential
threats uh at that point it is outlined in our policy that we would initiate our special response team who is trained specifically for dignitary protection and large groups to move back and forth to a venue but on the normal scope of a sergeant-at-arms that would be a
different um you know detail which is also outlined here so Can I speak on my item mayor because you know what Vice Mayor go ahead no no no no go ahead
okay um how many officers do you have 98 how many do you need i mean what is the allotted we're budgeted for 107 107 you have 98 plus the cops grant correct now if we have sergeant-at-arms how many of the like so I mean do we do they need do
we need to hire new people or I mean how does that So currently we have within our in within our budget within our officers that we have currently we have 10 I believe it's 10 officers that are certified that can do the sergeant-at-arms detail correct okay so we would have to take away from the 90s
well they would be used on an overtime basis so we explored the options of having a part-time um the union so yes understood okay Great thank you you're welcome question yes Commissioner commissioner Flormont couple questions um you know uh Chief I
can't help but um I'm thinking about your K-9 pictures your pictures with uh and you you you look like a real crime fighting machine in those pictures you posted them this past week right yes yes yeah yeah yeah you should see these
pictures yeah i mean you know yeah yeah um you know but uh we appreciate your guys' service i think that's really what's what's what's key here is that people are trying to make sure there's a balance between um um what you're supposed to be doing for the entire community and what you do for the
commission um you know and I think that makes sense right but at the same time we need to be mindful that that's it's part of public service it's part of their public service right is to make sure that everyone is okay including the members of of this commission um and I
think that you know in reading the policy it addresses a lot of the concerns that Commissioner Turnoff and our community residents um had and uh about the previous program right uh which were very valid concerns and if I'm correct you make the final decision
on any request i would yes for my design all right so a as what in previous um the previous program it was basically a little bit more um more lax and it was
request made request approved is that what was basically I I I couldn't speak to it you weren't resp you weren't making Okay at that time you weren't responsible for it but that's one of the things that I read you are the decision maker based on the policies and also there's something called a random basis
if you can tell me what that means random basis um and uh 1.3 1.3.1.3 under scheduling and assignments sergeant at Sergeant-at-Arms will not be assigned to specific elected officials assignments will be made based
on scheduled events and on a rotating or random basis i just want to know what random basis so a random basis is something like uh to Commissioner Charles point uh an event where it's politically charged or there's been threats or heightened alertness uh
that's when we would issue our special response team okay um and and then prior to this particular policy you really didn't have one that said that you would you would have any uh police presence at these types of events correct would that be correct so
it's covered in our special response team policy uh there's a section there for dignitary protection okay so yeah but not a particular policy for Sergeant-at-Arms like we do now got it okay and um when you say blanket requests for service are not permitted can you tell me what that means so it's
basically something that doesn't fall within the policy something that is um not covered in our dos and don'ts with the policy so it just can't be you know uh a random uh request for uh with not within the time frames that we're
looking for it has everything has to be uh adhered to specifically to the policy for us to honor it okay and that's what what was the time frame 72 72 hours 72 hours all right so about 3 days basically correct okay it gives us time to pre-plan to scope out where we're going to make sure that we have
sufficient personnel and can you answer the question as far as the concern about taking police off the streets for this particular program um how do you mitigate that so this program would work on basically on a rotational basis uh we
have a approximately 10 officers that would be on call for each month if a request were to come in those officers know that they're on call for that month and they know they have to be ready to respond so they would essentially would not be if they were on duty for that
specific event that's requested upon it would go to the next officer who's off duty okay so but there most likely would always be an offduty officer right correct it would have to be an offduty officer i can't pull manpower from patrol to
That's why that's why it comes in at 72 hours right so that's the answer right the answer is you're not pulling police officers from their uh duties to participate in this program you're going for offduty officers right who are making themselves available for offduty
hours similar to any other uh pro uh uh business that might need assistance they would go to offduty office yes the only difference with that is the pay the rate of pay offduty has a set uh pay through the collective bar agreement and this would be overtime okay got it all right
thank you okay so I brought this I brought this up last time because you know I've had certain issues certain concerns regarding events I've attended events I've attended where you know I didn't particularly feel safe um
I've gotten because I I need to make some type of correlation to like certain things happen it it because um a couple of months a uh couple of months ago there was an incident um where um
uh I was at a I was at an event that that was that became particularly charged from what I guess from situations that happened a couple of years ago that they feel that were not done to their liking and still
remain charged to this day i was by myself um and this was like an event where there were other elected officials but they I was kind of cornered off um I don't know if you guys remember but two two years ago like not too long
ago there was we were in a very bad place very bad place and how we were in discourse there's a lot of people that are still charged in that capacity that have um communicated in
various ways i'm I'm being very mindful because you know I you know and not to dismay anything to my to to to the police department but after discussing with my family and the p like there's there's been a past there's been things in the past
where I've reported certain things um to our department that were not not with this administration let me be very clear prior administration where it was it was dimminimized or diminished as it just being ah you guys are just don't like
each other where someone was outside of my house has a concealed weapon to carry with my wife and kid and it made me very reluctant to reach out and I did reach out eventually reach out to the chief and you know we had a very in-depth discussion about
this and um and he understands how sensitive this is there's reasons why when I you know go to certain events and this was offered to me specifically like I it would only be adhered to me like this was offered say well mayor since you're in a particular titular role it
makes sense that there's certain protections even a person that was hearing public comment says it makes sense as the mayor you there's certain protections that it makes sense right because of all the events I'm being asked to go to and whatever but you know when I was thinking about the policy it shouldn't be limited to me you know my life is not worth more than anyone on
this stage we still have the same responsibility ities we still go to certain things i understand I'm on a more heightened aspect of it on the face but I didn't want to make it specific to me i could have they because based on that like if I have a credible threat or have an issue then I have every right to be protected or feel protected like I
don't want something that happened no no but there's but this is on this is like I am the first for I'm at first and then what that first comes with is a lot of other things a lot of other things and some certain people make this as as
pomp and and not understanding that there are there are we live in a very charged society currently um and this is not about pomp and circumstance because even if you go back to the history of when this program was running I was I
hardly utilize this they can look at the records that I wasn't but I understand in this new role and what's being required of me to make sure that we're represented and that the city's in in the best footing to to be uh to get the be to guess to get the best bang for a
buck for my participation or whatever i have to participate i cannot with good conscience without you know I had to make this request i had to say hey I'm I I don't I talk with my wife talk there's a reason I don't bring my kids around here there's a reason I don't bring
anybody I I care for that I'm married for i don't bring my family around people have asked why doesn't the mayor bring there's a there's a there's because there's been credible threats and people have made light of this making this seem like chauffeuring around for me I just want to be able to
go to an event and to be like "Hey I'm here let's get out of here fellas." And they know that a lot of people know that I go to events and I leave and and I'm done that's that's how I've always been i don't I don't lolly gag i do what I have to if I have to attend I and I move on but there are still people to this
day that are still charged with lies and I and they are lies that still believe this and still consider me consider consider myself to be illegitimate to this day and people laugh about it and joke
about it like you're laughing right now it's we're not laughing at you no what what do you mean he's snoring that That being said I just want to say that I I asked for this request because it was it was a sincere
request you guys know me you guys know how I move and it's not in I've never moved that way like I come in and I roll out but I feel that because of that I need it now if you guys voted down you voted down and I know I made the
request i made the request and nobody can say I didn't do it and God forbid something happens i made the request cuz something happens i don't want my wife to walk around with a bench somewhere in some park saying "Hey no no no somebody said "Hey there's a there was there was a resident that says "You're all good
people nothing happens to good people." You don't remember that i remember that no no i'm just saying i'm like "No nothing happens to good people." He said that and I'm thinking the in the back of my mind I'm thinking about leadership like Martin Luther King no no i'm just I'm I don't want to get
too charged about it but I it it it kind of irks me for people to make light of someone's security and safety and put a to put a dollar amount on it and it's not right or fair that's I mean Commissioner Fulmer no I I was just going to um to to say
that when we look at the past program you're correct you barely ever you know um barely ever used it and you know it's it's it's it's true i'm just looking as also at the issues that were
raised in in the previous program and how those issues have been addressed here by PD by the police chief the deputy police chief and his team people who don't want to have to run around with their you know like chickens with
their heads cut cut off you know you don't want to be you you know um in a position where you you can't have enough people on the roads or that you're scrambling to make sure that uh the commission is okay um you you're not
building a program to the detriment of your own police department i I I don't see you doing that and I don't see that in this policy that's in front of me very clear what it is that they put together to to to to mitigate those concerns that you have and to make sure
that the PD is okay i think that was one of the biggest things is where are the police coming from these are offduty officers who are always off duty it's not like they were going to be on duty and they decided to be off duty so they can come and do this it's this is how many we have off duty and we're picking from that pool is that correct that's
correct that's so so that's that's why I'm more comfortable supporting this at a cost of8 $85 not a cost of $1 for the retired officer i wanted to I wanted to be clear uh if you can explain that part
because I I I I wanted the retired or part-time correct and it it was kind of that way i I I've even asked the chief that you for him to report on how this is being done on a monthly basis so you can cuz he
gave an estimate of like well if I take all the events that you guys have and and come up if you can come up with the the way you came up with the number please come up so you can u so they can understand how you came up with that particular basically it was just kind of a random number but we did was we took all seven of you and estimated if all
seven of you attended three events per month there would be 21 events per month and we did the math math um and that's how we came up with uh the $14,112 a month for 21 events for two officers
so it wasn't it and 169,000 uh for the year that's at 252 events for two officers using the same formula of 21 a month and that's if everyone used it it's everyone used it that's if everyone used it three times a month and that's
including two uh two vehicles that we would have to lease what was the final number again the final number was $23,432.16ents and how much does one police a rookie make who wouldn't be a rookie he'll be No I'm asking how much so we have to
take the average of a sergeant and an officer no no i just want to know if we hired a new police officer how much would he make a brand new i'd have to do the overtime rate but uh regularly i believe it's 60 61,000 I believe 61,000
I believe so so we could hire three police officers with that money well you have to include the French benefits and and all that okay so two so two okay so we could have two new police
officers or a sergeant more or less so um let me let me Well first of all I I I don't like the that you have that you were given the final approval because it gives you it puts you on a spot because it's hard for you to want to say no to
us it's it puts you in a difficult situation to say no to us um you know I'm not I'm I'm not really in favor of this i I would rather hire one or two police officers and have more security for everyone everybody in our city than
um to have and and honestly you know you it's um three a month doesn't do anything for me i I would I would need it 30 almost every single day I have an event so it to me you know I'm I it doesn't benefit
me and um I don't look we we're commissioners we're we're here to serve we're not here to to take and part of the um and we do a lot you know we do we all do a lot we sometimes people don't
realize how much we we give of our time and and um family life and there there are um instances where residents do get mad at us and um I and I I feel for you
because um I wouldn't want to be in your situation or put my children or my grandchildren in that situation but um I I just can't I I I mean I'll tell you something the the previous manager I kept on telling him
"Get rid of the sergeant at arms get rid of the sergeant-at-arms and he wouldn't listen to me and and that was really the beginning of the end of of whatever friendship we had because I'm not denying that i just like if it if if
for me like I I'm only I was only requiring requesting it i'm sorry i was only requesting it because of this because of the like I said they they offered to me specifically the opportunity to do this because Huh maybe we should do that how about that what just would that be would that from
my my my um my a suggestion right um because maybe what we can do is we can extend the sergeant- of- arms to the mayor's office i mean in federal government they have tiers right and maybe we extend it to the mayor's office and then for the commission whoever
wants to utilize it use their contingency to pay for it maybe that's an idea that we can that we can all come to an agreement with we don't have we'll run out of a contingency in like five minutes no I mean well you have to be very selective on on what you use if you
if you want an officer for three hours if it's $85 an hour that's what you're saying the rate is yeah it's a minimum of four hours a minimum of four hours so you just know that you're going to be spending somewhere in the neighborhood of 330 bucks 340 bucks for that officer for that particular event and but the
may but the mayor's office has access to that but it's still city money we're still it's still coming out of a contingency it's a contingency it's not new it's not new money is is what I'm saying so trying to find a compromise here
like I said I just want to I just want to be able to feel a little bit safe like I said I wanted to bring it up if it isn't if it's not if it's voted down or there's not that option for me to feel that then it is what it is but at least I said I tried that's all and I I can say that I can look I can go home
and say that okay so um thank you my I have a a different proposal alto together um well not really actually it kind of piggybacks off of um Commissioner Flemont which is using the contingency fund i think that that budget is allocated for you you have the
right to spend it how you want and I personally think that let's our police department has a lot of work to do and I don't want to overwork them with overtime what I'm thinking of is simply how about
you guys like go hire like um detail like professional security that can be there all the time i mean you have kids and a wife and you know home and you got to go some I mean like there are services like that out there and you
know we can definitely approve that you can use a contingency fund for that i just think that like our police officers let's uh keep them doing policing work this is we still have I mean there's still so much work to do they're still new we want them to have
the ability to concentrate on the safety of our community versus like actually like you know worrying about taking care of us and like you know we're here to serve as well so it's kind of like what um Fortuna was saying before i think I agree with that so that's my opinion u
madame vice mayor yes sir i think the the the key to this discussion is the offduty is that you you're saying we need to they're off duty they're not they're not on duty gotcha off duty and the volunteering for it and so the is is is
an you still need to be alert and awake and and be No i guess the the point I'm making is it the concern was is is there are there going to be less officers on the street if we have this program these
officers are off duty so they wouldn't is we're not pulling them from their duties on the road i got you it's they're offduty officers already but we can hire but we can hire two police offic one or two more police officers at the rate that we're going to pay with
that amount of money that we could we could do we could hire more police officers i have a question to the chief you have 99 officers currently right 98 and 99 and you have room for 107 how's the recruitment going for filling that gap cuz I know we've been talking about
that but since we have the grant what's the appetite for people to join the force because the the six or seven officers that we're missing is not necessarily contingent on funding right now it's more so what's what's what's your take on that so we we
are getting applicants in they are we are processing applicants um unfortunately you know uh we're not getting very qualified applicants um and they're not making it through the process for one reason or another those that do make it uh we have to wait for
academy dates to open send them to the academy which takes six months so it it's a we are we don't have a problem getting applicants in it's processing getting them through the process and having them successfully go through the process so we are having we are getting applicants in and we are interviewing
them so I want to highlight that because our our the lack of hitting that quota is not because we don't have the funds it's not because you know it's just that the process may take a while and also the applicants are not maybe where we
want them to be so that's good for the public to know because it's not like we're holding back from more officers being hired there's just nuances to them going through the process correct just wanted to make sure that's on the record no I don't know vice Mayor looks like
you yeah so my recommended my recommendation was like I think private security would work really well that's um and you know if you need I don't think you need to for us to approve that you need to hire private security for
your contingency fund right i guess I mean not that that I love the idea but I guess there's nothing that says we can't use our contingency fund for it for for but this is a this will set the policy of how we would use it
that's what I'm saying though that sets the policy so we do utilize it the policy allows us to that that it would it would be contingent to that policy mhm so like we don't have one like right I'm not or you
know Blackwater no I mean I'm not saying to use a private I'm I'm just I'm just saying to use a contingency there's nothing there's nothing that I think prevents us from So are you saying that are you saying that you're in agreement with extending it to the mayor's office and having us use our contingency if we if
we were requesting it i mean I think there's nothing that prohibits us from But having a policy makes the policy would make sense so it's the funding source what we're discussing right now what the funding source like where it's coming from we're
saying if it comes from the contingency so is that the only thing that's holding us back from approving it or do we want to table it i I I I my mo Well I haven't made a motion yet but my suggestion was to extend it to the mayor's office right and then for the commission if we wanted
to avail ourselves of that um of uh the police department's assistance there we should use our contingency no I think if we everybody has Yeah well I mean we're compromising right so I'm fine for me
like I don't but I I want to hear from everybody with I want to hear your opinions about to use our contingency yeah that's it's just the funding source yeah I'm I'm I'm fine with that i just the policy to me makes sense but I'm
fine with the funding source being contingency so I'll make that motion can you say it won't Can you Okay okay so there was the valid concern about funding and those types of things we've addressed the funding source by having
the contingency be the funding source so whatever whatever amount of money you have you got to budget that accordingly and um as far as officers not being on the road we've addressed that because they're offduty officers so they were never going to be on the road they're off duty and the policies here very
clear so that you're not it's not oneoffs you're doing it based on a policy so I think that it's you know clear and ready to go that's my motion to approve it so it's a minimum of four hours correct and it's $85 did you say
it's roughly $84 cuz we have to take the average we have to uh take into account that it could be a sergeant at a sergeant rate or it could be an officer's rate so we do a combination and the average is $84 an hour and four hours just just to be clear uh on this
motion if there are events that fall into the category where SRT of the SRT or if it's a city function or a city event those are completely different they may be part of the policy but that funding is completely different what we're addressing is if one person needs
a sergeant- of- arms that would come from the contingency correct so so that's $336 minimum assuming it's $84 um and then is there any uh like
pension insurance is that in that $84 does it include everything pension insurance and all that or is that additional that's just their rate of pay for that detail so so we're not we're in reality that's not
including so it's really more than 84 an hour so it's $84 an hour and of overtime uh which in their contract it's uh 300 hours of that is pensionable believe so up to 300 hours of overtime so if you
wanted to factor that in you could but what the officer is going to take home is $84 an hour and it'll be uh deducted tax will be deducted from that i think that's fair i need to think about it what I'd like
to hear everybody's opinion on that on this i'm I would love to use some of I because I would use it for I would use my if that's the case then look um it's better than not having anything cuz right now I got nothing you got what
I've got meaning that I have like I've been picking I have no options like the options are I have a it's a lack of I'm not I'm not I'm not gonna diminish what you guys are saying but I have a I have a a finite number of my security that's what it is that's what you guys are
agreeing if this were to pass it's a it's a finite number on my security so which it's better than not having anything at all so I'm fine with that because I can say "Hey but at least I tried." Okay no
no you okay with that yeah yeah yeah but yeah it's a finite number on my on my security which is that's what you can't afford that's not what That's not what I'm saying no no no no no no but No no but No it's based on like I'm not having it no no no i'd rather have something than nothing do Do you Do you have like
any idea like or is there a way to figure is there a way to figure out um let's say on the $336 like how much of it is pension and and stuff like that is there a way to figure it out not necessarily right now
yeah I could I could get that number for you an estimate at least okay okay so I I mean I'm I almost want to table it until I get that information because that number that number um commissioner and and you have officer you said you have officers that are
trained for this we have officers that are have gone to school trained and are certified but but they're basically just going to so it's just a driver i mean like to to what extent are I mean are they going to like literally be walking behind us
every second like what what are they going to be doing so it it depends on again the the the venue you're at the type of threat there is if there's just a normal no threat you know uh low scale type of event uh it would be one officer
per commissioner per two commissioners per mayor per commissioner uh plain clothes and they're just there to make sure that you know everything is status quo had should something occur god forbid they're trained on how to extract you properly get you to where you need
to be the vehicles everything sculpted out already ahead of time um and speaking that doesn't include gas and wear and tear in a vehicle well we'd have to rent a vehicle for that for the year oh so then we have to that's not added into the So it's $34,000 $34,000
that's another $34,000 we have to add in there that was part of the full cost that you faced yeah but it's not part of $84 an hour i said renting I meant leasing that's That's not part of the
$84 an hour that's That adds up to a lot more than $84 what happened what happened to the previous vehicles that were were used in the previous program uh those were borrowed from the city uh public works just kind of exchanged
vehicles can those can those can those vehicles be borrowed i have I don't even know where they are now to be honest with you i'd have to look for them you don't know where the vehicles are well because they were they weren't ours we shared them with the city so um when the program got disbanded I'm not sure if they went back to public works or they
went But can't can't but we do have a fleet right correct so why can't we just borrow the vehicles instead of leasing new ones i mean if if if we're going to be doing this from a finite standpoint like whatever we have our contingencies we're on contingency so we don't necessarily
have to like we're de we're diminishing this policy substantially from what you guys threw out so if we are if this is on a 72-hour notice like and I I'm sure there'll be vehicles in the fleet that could be utilized you know all due respect sir I I wouldn't I wouldn't
assume that there's vehicles readily available for an event i'd like to have vehicles ready to go vehicles that our drivers are you know familiar with vehicles that are can be used for proper extraction of several people if need be
it can't just be any vehicle and then we have to add gas and I don't know if we pay insurance and wear and tear so I I'm not sure I'm not sure the numbers are right i mean right now we could be easily looking at
$120 an hour mr mayor may I I I'm You want to speak first you can speak first i'll wait but I want to be next go ahead Vice Mayor okay
um I honestly like this is how how I feel okay so [Music] Okay used to be a daughter of a business owner right so everything in the company I get I get dibs on i get first dibs on everything i take advantage of that you
know I boss people around i use them to drive my car i do all kinds of things i'm feeling like this is what that is right now is me in my early 20s like bossing people around in my in my you know I mean if I were to approve this sergeant-at-arms issue it feel like I am
like the daughter of the owner and I have the right to do anything I want because my dad's going to side with me now this is for me this is kind of ridiculous i think we should leave the police officers and the PD to do what they need to do and if you need security
I am like all for it i don't want to be insensitive towards how you feel unsafe because this is something that is so subjective it's individual i'm okay with that but please like there are I mean how much Hamid how much do we pay for
security at the water plant that's like there all the time can we like you know maybe ask them about you know to to to be part-time vendors for our for our commissioner
you know the security we have at the water plant yes yeah i don't think it's our police officers is it no to your point Vice Mayor I think I don't think we need to be facitious but I do think that this concept is not something foreign to government so it's not like
we're creating the wheel we're just deciding whether or not we want to move forward so it's not a foreign concept this is a concept that cities other cities have throughout the state they have it on different levels of government they have it so it's not a it's not a conversation of whether or
not this is fabricated and we need to you know make parallels to sector i'm not talking about that right but what I'm saying is let's just make a decision if we're going to table let's table it if we think it's something feasible let's move forward okay so I'm not for tableabling it i
actually let I want to put it up for a vote because we need to question i don't I don't know i don't think there's a What's Is there a second is there a motion before I Before I vote on it I just wanted to make sure that I'm clear on
what we're voting on okay um we were voting on uh Commissioner uh Smuckler um you you were saying that you're okay with the contingency i I changed my mind i I'm act I'm not it's it's it's coming we don't have those numbers so uh it's
$84 an hour is not realistic motion to table second so we're just gonna I ra I ra the table because I want the one the one thing I do want to find out is if because I know that um the HR director is here because
I really want because I what I was really thinking about is getting the like people that are retired to do this more than anything else i did not want and the reason why and like the reason why it is um you know these officers that are um No we didn't approve the
table no what vote on the table but are we are we saying to go get that information and come back that's why we're tableing right well I mean we have to vote on whether we approve the tableabling or not well it hasn't been moved it hasn't been they a motion and a
second was made to table it don't we have to vote on it to see if we want to table it or continue on with a regular vote technically speaking what we call a motion to table unless really specifically intended is a motion to defer to a time certain usually is how
it's done if it's if I if it's my item but don't we have to vote on it i have a question if it's my item can I Well it's not my item it's the chief's item um can it be pulled in my opinion once debate has started on an item it's up to the commission to
pull it not to an individual now the sponsor can or a member can always request that and the commission can approve that if if it's somebody's item you can say listen I want to do this but it still does require a vote i make a
motion to vote on it okay well there's a there's a um there was a motion there was a motion to table and I just corrected just to say only that unless the sponsor directly completely feels otherwise that should be read as a
motion to postpone or defer to a time certain which is generally the next commission meeting but that motion was made now it can be voted down and then you can move to a vote i think that's what I'm saying we never voted on it can
I say that okay so that yeah on the table right on the motion table I said we didn't vote on two times sir I said we didn't vote on the motion to table and then everybody's jabbering about whatever right so on the motion to table that was my question to you commissioner
um so we're tableabling to a time certain for them to come back with the full details of what the per hour cost would be because it's not st it's not detail we have to we it doesn't matter we have to see if we're approving the
motion to table it's a mo Let me say again right it's a motion to defer to a time certain being the next meeting that's what the motion is technically unless But don't we have to vote i'm asking you do we have to vote on this or not yes okay so can we vote on that
motion okay so let's vote commissioner as you said there was still conversation and the point is that a motion to defer to a time certain to a specific meeting
you can still have discussion about it before you vote on it and that's what's occurring there's nothing that says I mean there are some motions that are non-debatable but not typically in front of this body and if there is discussion
then you finish the discussion before you vote on it unless you call the question or or move the question if you call the question which doesn't really even exist but it's a convenience that people use then if there's no objection you move to a vote but if there is
objection to it because somebody wants to keep talking you have the privilege of moving the question which takes a twothirds vote but that ends debate oh so we got a motion and a second to have
a motion to defer to a time certain the next meeting unless the sponsor specifically intended otherwise because motion to table was sometimes it doesn't say if it ever comes back off the table that's the difference time to enter the next meeting
all right uh all in favor say I i all oppose opposed no the motion fails it's 33 all right if I counted right you could ask for show of hands maybe I heard one so the item does have Wait if
if if I heard correctly maybe I'm wrong you might want to do show of hands it looked to me like it was 33 it was 33 it was 33 right so if it fails it fails this is exactly what I just said we needed to do was to vote so I don't know why you went into this gibberish dubbish
thing when I said let's just vote already so you want to call them no but I understood you to mean vote on the underlying item not on the motion no on the motion to table to that was not clear i'm sorry that was not Okay all right so the the motion to the motion to
defer to I don't want to talk about it anymore fails three thank you okay so So it the item fails okay the deferment fails the def the deferment fails the item has main item is still in the item h Okay so the main item still the ma the
main item is still um so you need a motion to approve what was and and and the thing is there's no motion and that's the reason why Mr with with all due respect I was trying to figure out with Commissioner Smuggler
if she wanted her questions answered as to the full cost per hour which after hearing about a vehicle pension etc what percentage is going to be allocated towards pension benefits what percentage
is going to be allocated towards vehicle and so that $85 number as she said may be hundred $102 we don't know it's like a lot more so what that number is for them to come back with that number is that what you're looking for no let's just vote already okay and before we
vote Miss uh Chief can you find out if there we can locate those vehicles what happened to those vehicles that were either you know fleet or what have you where they are i will I'll get back to you okay so I'm gonna What do we So
we're voting on the item as is you need a motion i'm not so we don't get motion to approve motion to deny motion to approve motion to reject however you want to phrase it motion to motion to approve with the amendment of
the contingency of the of the source the funding source second nay no feels 33 that's it you said you had different discussion till meeting yes no I mean no I mean
um defer I guess defer the discussion i just don't want to have a a pile up later on um but yeah um there's only there's only three discussion items right four oh four one two three four five okay mayor the city well the trolley the trolley thing's not there anymore okay
the trolley thing is not there anymore since we took care of that the traffic calming the So there's four right we have five traffic calming project to Oh then we'll then we'll we'll we'll defer those items to the next meeting um
those discussion items all in favor say I i wait wait no wait i'm going to hold on one second um I need to I need to have this question i I need to ask you about this meeting okay wait i'm sorry i just want to before you do that I just want to make sure that
15.2 is not something that we really need to talk about that it could hold off it's the traffic calming projects yeah we we can hold that one off it's a discussion but you know if we keep on holding things off then I just want to make sure we do need to talk about it so
so we we table a discussion so next meeting no she No we did we voted for it if we if needed a second meeting in the month is called right and if we have these issues that we are dealing with for example okay traffic calming we are
talking about Black & Beach transition plan this is something that um we had held funds back and uh this is Commissioner Floramont had held funds back for it only paying $450,000 for three months if we don't
decide on this transition plan no two this is month two yeah we're not up for the third three months oh so you want to wait till last minute and then we decide well to to through through the chair we had a discussion Mr manager about
some of the ask for to have a clear comparison like the the CIP plan the your workflow for the for that particular department are we ready to discuss those things are those things ready to be addressed as well we can uh
move into discussion uh beyond the black and beach yes okay that's a long That is a long discuss okay but it's a we No he missed it but he's not going no no that that I No I
missed it okay it's 11:18 can we We need to discuss these things they've been on if we just keep on adding stuff i say we can just go to the beach and then we'll table everything else and take it from there unless we want to go past midnight
how does that pass the It's the exit plan right i mean this is I'm willing to go and discuss everything until midnight but let's start already because we just wasted like two minutes i I thought we Okay so no I didn't finish voting no no no no no okay so I'm
make Okay I'm going to make the motion right now right i want to table the remainder of the of the discussion items currently so we can adjourn for second do I have do Okay I have a motion and a second all in favor say I i nay we got
two so they Yeah yes motion to adjurnn so move second all in favor i nay nay all right we adjourned thank you