This is the uh North Miami Planning Commission uh meeting for Tuesday, February 3rd. It is 7:05. I call the meeting to order. U Madam Secretary, may we have roll call, please?
>> Certainly. Chairman Erns here. >> Vice Chair McDermade. >> Commissioner Each >> present. Commissioner St. Freed >> present. >> Commissioner Bob >> present. >> Commissioner Pierre
>> present. >> And Commissioner Besson >> present. >> Okay, we have a quorum. A full. >> Very good. Let's all stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay. Staff, any amendments to the agenda? No sir, Mr. Chair. >> Okay. Next item is approval of minutes.
Uh entertain a motion for approval. >> So move. >> Motion is made by Mr. McDermade. >> Second. >> Seconded by Mr. Eidge. All in favor say I. >> I. staff of next planning commission
meeting >> uh March 3rd and um we'll keep you apprised. Uh the deadline cut off is shortly coming up and we'll let you know for sure if we're going to have any items ready >> for planning commission.
>> Okay, very good. Uh any continued public hearings this evening? >> Not this evening, sir. >> Thank you very much. So now we go to the public hearing section. This is all legislative tonight. Just to give everybody a heads up, there is no quasi
judicial matters before us. So, I'm going to go ahead and start with PC17-120. This is an ordinance of the mayor and the city council of the city of North Miami, Florida amending chapter 29 of the city of North Miami uh code of ordinances entitled land development
regulations at article 3 division 8 entitled plats subdivisions address assignment specifically at section 3-86 entitled final plat to allow for the issuance of multiple permits and temporary certificates of occupancy for
certain properties in accordance with article 3, division 10 and section 3-302 of the city of North Miami code of ordinances providing for repeal, conflicts, severability, modification, and for an effective date. Staff report,
please. >> Oh, so so sorry, Mr. Chair. We're having issues displaying the PowerPoint, so I'll have to walk you through the two pages of the PowerPoint that would you've been seen tonight. Um,
>> do we have any printed copies? >> You want me to do a Vanna White while I'm here? >> Um, well, >> I don't think that'll be necessary. >> Okay. >> Do we have do we have the same thing in our packet? >> We don't have the PowerPoint. >> Oh, >> but you have the staff report that that
>> the staff we can follow along whatever you're saying in the staff report. >> They're very simple. Okay. >> And you guys are very very experienced. >> Very good. Hold on one second. Let's get to that section. Okay, I am set. If everybody else is have the material in front of them that
they can follow along. >> Okay. Good evening. For the record, Debbie Love, community planning and development director. Uh the request before you is to amend the land direct the text of the land development regulations
specifically at article 3, division 8, section 3, tenative plotting. The way our code reads currently is that for uh during tenative plat you can only obtain one permit and it's
very limited in the types of permits that you can pull. Very very limited. And um and then for a certificate of occupancy or any sort of temporary certificate of occupancy you have to
have final plat approval. So the amendment is is uh modifying the what's allowable at tenative plat including expanding additional building permits uh and um allowing a temporary
certificate of occupancy to be issued at the tenative plat stage. By way of a bit of background, uh Florida statute recently changed so that plotting process is no longer a public hearing process. I know you've often heard me
tell you all that platting is ministerial and essentially as long as they meet the plat requirements, we essentially have to approve it. So, Florida statute has now removed the public hearing and made it administrative.
So we will be amending the rest of the platting section during the LDR update, but this is just very specific to projects that are the result of city issued RFP. So we've limited that to to
that. So it init it incentivizes um the city development initiatives, city sponsored development initiatives um and doesn't apply to any other projects outside of that. So the next steps would be assuming that you all
approve this slight modification. As you can see in the ordinance itself, it's modifying very few components including um adding mixeduse projects uh as a
result of the request for proposals. So it's very very specific to only those and it again it allows a certificate of occupancy and allows multiple permits to be approved at the tenative plat stage. final plat
takes much longer and the county has to my knowledge has yet to modify their requirements to meet Florida statute. They still go through the same processes um which is a long drawn out process to get final plat approval. And so it's
it's a big delay in in all development projects but specifically in the ones here in the city that city is initiating. We anticipate, assuming um we anticipate the sec the first reading to be at the March 10th city council agenda. It's
tenative because we're working through what will be on the 224 meeting versus what will be on the next meeting since they're moving um they're not having a 210 council meeting. So the items that were at 127
and at 210 have been shifted downward. So we'll it's tenative right now. second reading. We hope to have it the same month in March so that we can move forward with this particular amendment. And that's the end of my presentation. I'm here to answer any questions.
>> So um if I may this is is how much of the change in what the state is um has declared um mean to this? In other words, is this this the outcome of that ordinance
change or is this something that we're doing to streamline our process regardless of what the state is coming up with? >> Yes. Because the the requirements won't change. Um the the only thing that changes is there's no public hearing.
It's done administratively, but we still have all the same requirements standards. So this language is not the result of the state statute. The ch the ultimate change that will come with the LDR update will remove the public hearing component that's outlined in our
LDRs but maintain everything else. >> Had we had anything recently that this change in text amendment would have not come before us. Can you give me an example because I'm trying to figure out >> this >> what what it does to the process for
people that that have to come before us with with with plat changes. I think we just had one, didn't we, where where they wanted to combine two plats of property would a case like that be something that
>> would no longer come before you? not no longer come before >> no tenative plot, no final plotting um would be come before this body or city council. >> Okay, I'm going to go this question. I I want clarification on that. U let me go
ahead. Yes, council. >> Mr. Chair, I have a I have two questions. The first one is Debbie, why mixeduse projects and not all projects from a city issued requests for proposals?
>> Because um we already have commercial, we already have industrial. So the what's remaining is mixeduse. >> Okay. So we're highlighting on our RFP the bigger initiatives that the city is undertaking.
>> So but that's the way the title is. The actual language limits the multiple permits to the mixed use. >> So if on a commercial >> or a industrial project, you couldn't do
it. >> No. No. But it still allows if you look at the commercial and the industrial section. >> Mhm. >> It it allows these things if you're doing commercial and industrial. However, we needed to add mixeduse projects because that when we do RFPs
like that, it's typically a for a mixeduse project rather than a standalone commercial or standalone industrial. Does that make sense? >> Sure. >> Okay. >> What about any city project? City projects required building permits, right? >> Correct. This is limited to those larger
P3 type projects that are citydriven initiatives like that. That's all we're limiting it to at this time. >> Oh, okay. A question from Mr. McDerm. >> Yeah. So, these are are um Yeah. Yeah.
So, these are basically focused on projects like P3s and things of a larger nature than just a like a small development. >> That is correct, sir. And I guess the whole idea is to
expedite it in time. >> It's not no because everything will be administrative. What this does is it it it allows multiple permits to be issued after tenative plat approval where only
one is allowed now and you cannot get any sort of TCO or CO until you have final plat approval. This modifies that to allow a temporary certificate of occupancy once tenative plat is has been
approved. >> Ah okay. Okay. Gotcha. You're always such a wealth of information. >> Question, please. Yes. What is the >> given that the county seems to be the the slow horse in the race? What is the
length of time on average between our tenative plat granting final plat? Is it a year? Is it two years? Is it six months? >> What's our timeline on that? It varies
between based on responsiveness and the complexities of any comments or requirements that they would have for a specific plat amendment or um or or platting request. So I will tell
you that it's generally over a year for the overall project and that's conservative >> and it may be longer. It may be less time than that, but it's typically that from tenative plat to final plat because the stage was they had to submit a
tenative plat application. We had to do our thing, provide them comments, then they had to take those to the county, get on an agenda with the traffic and platting committee, work with them and answer anything that they have. They get
a write up. So you need for final. Then they have to come back and apply for a final plot. We have to take them to city council for final plot um once it's been approved. But there's still a lot of back and forth there. Um because we
have to make sure that they have in the final plot that they've submitted to us for review that they've incorporated the county comments and then any comments our plat reviewer provides them for final. So that's why I said it can be up
to a year from that >> and longer. >> Does the staff give them any guidance to avoid them running into conflicts with the county? Are they educated to what they may run into if they don't follow cross te's and dot the eyes?
>> It's it would be difficult for us to tell them exactly what to do because each plat is slightly different. >> So, but we do they do have their regulations which our our regulations pretty much mirror the county's regulations. So, the only thing that's
changing for us other than these changes that may or may not be approved by city council would be um the removal of the public hearing process coming before you and then city council for tend to plat and then back to city council for final
plat. Those time frames also add to the length getting on a specific agenda, waiting to get on a planning commission agenda, waiting to get on a city council agenda. So in addition to the the the work that they have to do to get through the county process, just that time frame
to get on any agenda adds to the length of time. So hopefully that answered your question, Mr. Cy Freed, as as well as yours, Mr. Ors. >> So effectively, this is our effort to speed up the process. >> Specifically, not speed up the process
because these amendments have nothing to do with speed. It has um by us removing the public hearing component which is not in this right now and doing it administratively that will speed up the process. The amendments
that are before you right now allows only it's only limited to those things allowing additional permits during the tenant as after tenative plat approval and allowing a temporary certificate of occupancy before final plat.
Effectively, a project theoretically could be built and completed before the final plat ever gets heard. >> Well, you're not supposed to pull those type of level of building permits without final plat approval, which is why we have to amend the code to allow
that. And the county is very clear on um their process. So, normally you can only issue that one permit. So, you can't get through a whole building permit. And those permits that you can choose from are very very limited. Uh I believe
they're limited to things like um I think it's in my staff report actually and it it limits it to construction trailers, perimeter walls. They mean uh lift stations, model homes or sales centers. That's it. That's all they can
pull. And they only one of those. So they'd only they'd have to choose whether they're going to do a construction trailer or a lift station. Um before we have further discussion and we'll get into more input from the U commission, let's open the public
hearing first. And uh public hearing is now open. Anyone wishing to address this item, please come forward. We see none. And I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing. Public hearing is now closed. And now we'll go ahead and um um open up general
discussion uh to the panel. Um let's start with Mr. Each. >> I have nothing. >> You have nothing to add or continue. Mr. McDermade. >> Um no >> no Mr. Beer. >> Nothing here.
>> Mr. Bob. >> Dr. Besson. So, they would be able to pull a permit, a building permit for a lift station and a trailer and a perimeter fence and so on. >> But what can they go beyond that?
>> Well, the reason we don't want them to go beyond that is we want to get the platting process complete. >> So, this is it. This is all they would be able to choose from. They can do >> multiples of those. They can do perimeter walls, lift stations, those kind of things. >> Thank you.
>> You're welcome, sir. Mrs. Ire, >> no comments. I'm in favor. >> All right. Um just for clarification um in the process
basically they they have to have all this. What what I'm trying to trying to see if there's any kind of loophole that could get around that would in order us for us not to be bamboozled by somebody trying to pull something off uh building
something before it's really you know I I I don't want the process to be interrupted where they need to follow the rules and the guidelines that they have before they can actually break ground.
So, you know, I mean, we're putting faith in the city to to make sure that doesn't happen when we eliminate the public hearing or to alleviate doubts that people in the community may have. And you know with
the public hearings the only thing that bothers me about that is that uh you know it can cut rumors off and and and u gives them a chance to understand that you know it's not all evil or it's not
all good or whatever. So um it's I understand the the necessity for expediency and and making it more efficient. um I have no objection to it, but I'm just wanting to make sure that we we all understand
um what down the road if something comes up um you know we have our our base covered. >> Mr. Chairman, >> yes, Mr. McDermade. >> Um in PC 17-120, I move approval.
>> Mr. Mc Mr. McDermade has put forth a motion for approval. Do we have a second? >> Seconded by Mr. Cipher. All in favor? >> Say I. >> I. >> I. Thank you very much. It's unanimous.
Okay. Moving on to the second item of this evening. An ordinance of the PC17-121 is an ordinance of the mayor and the city council to the city of North Miami, Florida. amending charter of chapter 29 of the North Miami code of ordinances
entitled land development regulations by repealing article 2 division 4 entitled downtown action plan advisory committee therefore sunsetting the downtown action plan advisory committee providing for repealing for repeal conflicts
severability codification and for an effective date staff report please. Yes. Good evening. Again, for the record, Debbie Love, community planning and development director. The item before you is a another amendment to the
land development regulations completely um striking sunsetting the downtown and action plan. Oh, this one's actually working. >> Okay, wait a minute here. Let me see. Oops. Maybe I went
backwards. Yep, I did. Good. Beautiful. Thank you, Dun. Let me see there. Whoops. It's defaulting back to that, but that's that's okay. It's only two slides. Actually, three slides. All right. So,
>> we are um striking in its entirety um article 2 division 4 um the downtown action plan advisory committee which would sunset the downtown action plan
advisory committee and um the >> now oh there it is. >> Oops. And again the assuming approval by you all this evening. Um this is tenatively scheduled
for March again at the same time for sec first and second reading as the last amendment that you all reviewed. And with that that is the end of my presentation on this item. >> M chair. >> Very good. Yes.
>> So just a point of disclosure Mr. McDermott contacted me today and he serves on this committee. >> Right. >> Um but I advised him he did not have a conflict. >> There is no conflict. Very good. Thank you. >> He he is not paid to serve on this committee like you are.
>> Yes. Very good. Um I'm going to go ahead before we move to commission discussion open up the public hearing. Public hearing is now open. Anyone wishing to address this item, please come forward. Seeing none, I'm going tohead go ahead
and close the public hearing. Public hearing is now closed to discuss this. First of all, I did not know that we had a downtown action advisory committee. I uh apologize for
being so ignorant, but um I didn't know that they were active. I thought a lot of that was handled by the CRA. So um this is new to me. I um that's that's kind of my disclosure for
uh for knowledge of this committee. Um so um is there any pending business or anything that that uh nothing >> I can't um I I'm not privy to what they were >> at that level of discussion within that
committee. Uh but uh it has been requested that we go ahead and sunset it. >> Okay. There's no meetings or planned for it or anything that we know of or whatever. All right. Um anyone else like to say
anything before we uh this is just >> Yeah, go ahead. Mr. Each, >> you know, I was reading the ordinance and these are stakeholders, business people, developers, so forth and so on. Uh I don't know. I'm not familiar with
the meetings. Were they successful? They weren't successful or >> I can't answer those questions. I was not privy to their meetings. Um they were managed through economic development. And so it has been requested that we go ahead and sunset um
the committee which it means we need to strike the code that established and and um manage that. So basically this committee must have been formed by the economic some other board. Correct? Because it's not a board. >> No, this was actually part of the LDRs
when we did the update in 2017 as you can see. Hang on just a second if I may. D I need to go backward a slide. Okay. >> Okay. the when the downtown
development and major quarters master plan was um prepared >> was one of my projects as a consultant. One of the recommendations out of that was to establish a steering committee to move the projects forward in the
downtown and major corridors master plan to be ambassadors to it. Um and as you can see the the purpose was them to assist in the implementation of the adopted major corridor and downtown master plan as well as the accompanying
concept and action plans and um I know that one issue was obtaining quorum um attendance was an issue and most of these projects have already been folded
into other through the CRA um and other type of activities and will slowly be slowly as they move them forward things projects to drop out. So other projects will be added in through
the capital improvement program and um through recommendations of economic development but um as I said we were requested in to go ahead and sunset the committee in a minute. My my um reaction is that I mean we've had
committees before that weren't a part of a regulation, >> right? >> So why why was this put in as a >> I'll let the city attorney know on that one. I >> I just wanted to let the um chair and the rest of the members of the planning
commission know. >> Um this committee wasn't targeted or isn't unique. What occurred is that um in February annually the city manager staff does a review of all the boards and
looks at those boards that are inactive or perhaps are not fulfilling the purpose which they're supposed to serve and recommends certain committees for suns setting or abolishment. >> Um so at the last council meeting there was another board that also was um went
through the legislative process. Um, I want to say that one was the community relations board. >> Okay. Okay. I don't know if you recalled that being on one of the tabs on the last council meeting agenda. >> Um, this one, the only uniqueness with it is because it's in the LDRs, it has
to go to you first before the city council takes that official action. >> Right. Okay. So, um, any other comment on this? Well, I was looking at the uh the uh the text of the the original
ordinance something like 11 to 15 members and they were supposed to be stakeholders not only in downtown but uh on the boulevard and all our major arteries and I I was just wondering uh there is I guess an alternative way
that these people are going to have input into the projects because these are the people that are paying the freight. I mean, on 120th Street, I was walking through there today and I see a lot of development going on. 13th Avenue, I see the restaurant out there that was supposed to be being built and
uh the pickle ball courts. I see a whole change and uh you know, I just I was just kind of wondering. I was what the heck is going on? Uh these are the people that are paying the freight, the taxes, and putting the money up for construction. Shouldn't
they have a say in what the heck is going on over there? I mean, I guess there's another form that they can bring this up at >> other than the planning commission or >> it depends if it's site plan. >> I'm sorry. Did I >> site plan approval, conditional reuse
permits? >> Um, so as development comes through, >> depending upon the level it is or what it's set at, >> it's site plan level would go to city council which would be public hearing. >> Conditional use permits come before you
all that. But other than that, I'm sure that they that economic development has newsletters. They haveformational uh contact with all the business owners. So, I know they do quite a bit of outreach to the various business owners
throughout the city. >> They weren't getting their quorums. I mean, that's that's a hell of a lot of people. 11 to 15 people. >> Let me hold on one counselor. Can we get some input from Mr. McDermade since he was a member of that committee? that be allowed?
>> Of course, he's uh he's fully allowed to participate. >> Okay. >> He does not have a conflict. >> All right. >> Okay. >> Mike, please enlighten us a little bit on on this. >> I can tell you that um the board meets on a regular basis. Um we've made
several suggestions. Um we were instrumental in creating the Liberty Park which is across the street from us. So, um we've done that. We've done some other um small projects. Um I know that
um we're now taking on um a little bit of a different direction. Um we have new officers on the board. Um we um are taking on some of the things like cleanliness in the downtown area, things
of that sort as projects and things that we're interested in, but we have been meeting on a regular basis. Um the problem with quorum has always uh an issue because when it was created there were just too many members. Uh and it's hard when you have 11 15 members on a
board. >> Um and we have discussed requesting the city to re uh to limit to reduce the members on the board uh so that we could get get regular quorums. Although our last two meetings we had quorum um but
that's always an impediment. Um we at the very beginning when I was on the came on the board there was discussion we were supposed to have a budget and we never had a budget. So um it's difficult to deal with things without a budget but nonetheless we were able to accomplish a
few things. Uh the members of the board were uh members of the community um I'd say significant members of the community. Um and so it was a the fact that it's being or the suggestion is that it be sunseted was a surprise to me
until um because at our last meeting in which staff was present um there was discussion on some of the items that we wanted to bring before the city council and actually we wanted to um have a
member of our committee come to the city council on a regular basis to discuss the issues that we saw. uh within the city. So, it was really a surprise to me when I first time I heard about it when I saw it on the agenda.
>> My my question to staff though, we have an economic um forgot the name of the Yeah, the economic development um board. Correct. Did I say board? >> Uh department.
>> It's a It's a department. >> Sorry. But there's no >> it's a department in the city. >> Yeah. >> So these So my understanding then was this committee did not report to that board. >> Oh yes we do.
>> Okay. >> We we report to that board. In fact their staff um the economic development department sets our staff um sets our agenda. So we as I say we were very much a part of the economic development
office. So, it was sort of like a what surprise when I happened to see it on the agenda when I first got the agenda because we just had a meeting a few weeks ago and uh we were um going to be report start reporting to the council on a monthly basis on some of the things we
saw that needed addressing in the city and things of that sort. So, um, >> and being being a committee, you're not, um, um, you're not under guidelines to have public hearings, correct?
>> Correct. >> So, so any of the other members, May I Yes. >> Uh, any of the other members know about this that that's being >> I was very surprised when I saw and I just saw I just heard about it when I saw it on the agenda. So I I would think
um that I I'm I would think I don't know for sure that very few people um and in fact we had somebody who was one of our members who's out of town who I happened to speak to about something else this afternoon. They were totally unaware of
it. So I'm just wondering if we should sunset it. Uh, you know, it's uh I remember one time uh years ago on the charter review board uh they were going to sunset that uh former city attorney. I'm going back out
of >> whatever. Yeah, I was I was a member of of >> the charter review board and back in the 90s. We uh we did a heck of a lot of work. Suppose those proposed changes to the charter didn't get passed, right?
>> Why do you want to kill the board? I I you know I just I thought they were doing a a very intricral part of the development process and and >> I mean granted they're not well they're not known to a lot of people in the community
>> but from what Mr. McDermade has told us, it sounds like it it should continue to at least maybe even build upon a little bit more. Uh, you know, if if we have to encourage more businesses to inter, you
know, to interact with their their members and let them know, you know, they to reach out more to to the businesses along 125th Street here or along the boulevard. Um, maybe maybe this is the problem. I don't know.
>> Well, you know, like almost an offshoot of the Chamber of Commerce. >> Yeah. >> You know, right? Your your business people should >> Yeah. >> You're the lifeblood of I don't know. I mean, >> well, I I'm inclined to let this >> I would table it if >> Yeah. I I table this. I mean, I'm I'm
>> Anybody else? Phil, let's get an input from everybody. Yes, sir. >> So, so I have a question and a thought. Um, so the first question, even though they don't have public hearings, they still have meetings that are subject to sunshine. Correct. >> Correct. >> And by removing the designation as
committee, you're actually allowing people to work more freely together. And if these people are so influential um that they're involved in this kind of thing already, people on the committee could be working together without the restriction of the sunshine while applying.
>> That's a good point. Yeah. um tableabling means it would not move forward to the city council for action. >> Right. Right. >> So if you want to take a position against it, you could take that position. But assuming the administration wants us to move forward,
I would recommend on their behalf not to table it. >> Right. Mary, >> well, is it is it possible that the city administration is >> in the dark on what this committee does?
Out of touch, if you will. >> I would be very surprised. >> I think as a courtesy to the people that are on it, I I would table it, let them know about it, and let them make their argument. >> Mike, we we didn't hear you, Mr. >> Kenny. Mike. Kenny,
>> I'm sorry. I I think as a courtesy to the people that are on that board, I I I would like to tape I my my suggestion is if I was on that board or as a as a business person on 120 fish that's an intricral part of the city,
I I would feel slighted per personally and I I think they should have an opportunity to address the the planning commission as well as the city council. >> They they Go ahead. certainly will be able to address the city council. >> You know, I I I I think they they should be notified. I mean, when would this come up before the city council? We
don't have, >> as I said to you, in March. It's tentative for March 10th for first reading and March 24th for second reading. Um remember now this there's time between now and then that if that is a recommendation
of denial with a recommendation of assuring proper notification of the members that's something you can certainly recommend um but uh your recommendation of denial would allow them as
>> table I'm sorry not tableabling it >> uh your recommendation of tableabling would not allow it to move into any sort of action. It just sits. >> How How do we >> How do we not >> Yes. >> being that I've been
>> the microphone microphone >> last several months um at the meetings and seeing the progress that's being made there. Um, is there some, as I say, I, you know, I I think that, you know, whatever is best for the city and its
functioning and etc, etc., is very important, of course, but I never even received a phone call or a notice or anything. Nobody from economic development reached out and said, gee whiz, guys, we're going to sunset this board. No one no one told us why. It was
just you know some internal mechanism which which I understand happens and again we want to support staff and whatever they feel is most efficient for the city certainly. Um but um is there any clarification on why as I said this was a complete surprise. I never
received any phone calls no notices heads up of any kind. >> Was there something specific uh Debbie that um you know this is sort of a late notice kind of thing. Is there something specific that um maybe can be adjusted
or something that or is it just >> I think I cannot really answer that question honestly. Um I as as >> where did the ordinance suggestion come from? Did it come from uh a council member or or staff? Miss Warren answer
because their department developed the ordinance with divorce. >> So the city code requires the city manager staff to do an annual review of the boards and commissions to see which ones are active and which ones are fulfilling their purpose. Um it's my understanding that there was two boards
that were identified um for this particular round, this annual round that um were recommended to be sunset and this just happened to be one of the two. And this this again was um um from the city manager's office or or
administrative staff. >> City manager's office manager >> be the one to conduct the sunset review. >> Can this matter be continued for a month pending notification of the board members? >> Sure. I I would I mean I would think
that they would approach the board members or the board people first and talk to them to find out more about >> Yeah. >> their reasoning behind wanting to sunset it when in fact we're hearing that
there's still ongoing activity with that board that they're committing time that they are in fact are committing time to. So, I mean, as Mr. Cipher has just pointed out, um,
I would like to try to find a way that we we could keep this them going and and not not shoot them down tonight and and give them more time to at least present their their case to the city manager's office. Well, >> Jennifer,
>> I I think staff would accept a recommendation to um provide notice of the date of inclusion to each board me each board member for the day-pack committee um for the date of conclusion on the city council agenda. So that that
way um they'll not only know of it, but they'll have time to lobby whoever they need to lobby. >> But that would have to come through us denying this to move it forward. Correct. If we dis if we don't if we
vote against it, you're saying that this won't go before the council. Correct. >> No, you make a recommendation against approval unless >> Yeah, that's what I I think that's what I'm looking for. I'm trying to find find a way the correct legal rule wording
that we can use to present this as recommendation for non-denal. So you would an idea would be to recommend against approval unless input from the committee members is
heard by the city council. >> Everybody understand that? >> That was pretty good. >> Yes. That's why they paid. >> What a knowledgeable what a knowledgeable would some would somebody like to try to
>> So you recommend against you know we haven't heard from everybody further input from the committee members is heard by the city council. >> Mr. Bob, do you have anything >> to add to this? I I want to make sure that I'm not overlooking anybody's
opinion here or >> um I agree that there um should be the opportunity at least for the current members to add any input prior to the or being you know shut down sunset
rather. Um, so I mean I don't see any harm in, you know, delaying it at least some to allow for some input prior to doing it because I mean if it's gonna if it's going to happen, it'll happen regardless, right? So at least that way the members will at least feel heard
prior to >> or there's a change of heart not to delay but to allow the process to go forward but make sure that the council considers the input from the board, the committee members. >> Correct. Anybody? >> So, what's the motion to vote against?
>> Well, we're washing. Yeah. Motion is adopt what you said. >> Exactly what you said. >> I wrote it down. It's to recommend against approval until further input is heard by the board by the city council. Is that correct? >> From the committee.
>> City council. >> Wait a minute. >> Anyone else? Sorry. Not wait. >> Mr. Pier >> is heard. >> Anything to add? That sounds like a wonderful recommendation. >> All right, I'll have common courtesy. We should do that. >> Yeah.
>> Okay. >> Yes. >> Exactly. >> All of a sudden lay them off the divorce. you know, and and basically I mean, and this kind of gives them a a right to confront >> sure
>> of the the administration as to what's going on and and not have us, >> you know, judge them. >> I agree. >> And wash our hands of it. >> I agree. >> All right. Um, if there's nothing else,
I I'll entertain a motion from anybody. >> Go ahead, Mike. >> Yeah, I'll I'll move the item. >> Okay. The item is moved with the And if we could read that again, please. The wording. >> Okay.
>> Right. further is heard by the committee >> before council approval >> council. >> So we're we're um we're approving Mr.
McDermade's motion. >> Right. Okay. Okay. Do I have a second on that? >> Second. >> I'm sorry, Madam Secretary. >> Second. Seconded by >> Second by >> Commissioner Seaff Freed. Uh, Chairman Erns. >> Uh, yes. Yes. Is the approval of what we
just said. >> Yeah. Okay. Vice Chair McDermade. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Each. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Seaf Freed. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Bob. >> Yes. >> Commissioner Pierre. >> Yes. >> And Commissioner Besson. >> Yes.
>> Okay. Motion passes. >> Motion passes. >> Very good. >> Motion passes. I mean motion. We're telling them no. It's It's a fifth, right? We're not Okay. >> Right. Yes. >> Right. >> Right. >> Motion to >> Yes. >> Yes.
>> Thank you for walking us through that, Miss Love. I appreciate it. >> Um, meantime, any committee reports? Speaking of committees, >> no, you all haven't established any committees, so we don't have any committee reports.
>> Very good. Uh, old business. >> Uh, did we get the information from public works that was requested? >> I did reach out to them and I am sorry to reportate what it was. >> I'm sorry. >> Would you reiterate what the request
from planning commission was? Um, it was that we look into seeing if anybody had uh the plans or mockups from the workshop that took place several years ago um relating to the beautifification
and landscaping around the pedestrian bridge at 131st Street. And unfortunately, I did reach out to numerous individuals who were actually here back in that time and no one has a record of
it. It doesn't appear that it was something that was done by the city because no one is aware of it or has any information on it. I'm sorry, Commissioner. >> In the meantime, the plan has been put forth. It's in the budget to to do the improvement and everything because the
sign is up on by the walkway there that I'm sure Mr. Ciphers sees when he he rides home every day. I see it every time I drive by there or jog by there. >> So, I mean, you know, >> you can see the proposed plans that are are planned to be constructed but not
>> can't find the information that you had requested. So, >> okay. All right. Um, new business. >> As a reminder, the LDR updates are underway. We are currently internally reviewing the drafts. We will be
scheduling in the month of March a number of public workshops, primarily in the town hall format throughout the city, at least four of those. And we'll be attending some of the events, having tables at some of the events to
encourage people to provide feedback and and go to our website and look at the the f the draft product. And then we'll be scheduling ultimately the next piece of that would be to incorporate any comments from staff and then get through that public workshop series, do any
final incorporations and tweaks and then we anticipate it coming before you all. Uh it's a large document. Uh they actually they printed it out for me because you know I'm old and I don't like reading on the screen. And so I killed several trees I'm sure with just
these books. Um so it may be in multiple like we did last time. Remember we had had to have multiple planning commission meetings. So it may be that we have you know backtoback planning commission meetings like we did last time. Instead of waiting every month, you'd have
special meetings. I You went through it with me. You went through it with me. You went through it with me. The last time we did the modifications. So, we'll give you a new timeline and advise you when it will be coming before you, but I just wanted to let you know that the
public compo public workshop components are being scheduled now and staff is doing an internal review of the draft documents. So, that's the end of my little report under new business. Um I'm trying to recall if um a lot of times we
didn't get thorough enough information with regards to each one of those sessions that you had the workshops. I think it would be kind of a good idea that we know that x amount of people showed up. Here's some of the items they brought up
>> and were discussed >> and and uh you know get get a temperature reading from the community. Well, do we did that when we did the comp plan, remember? And we gave you that. That's the difference between staff at that time and what they asked
for versus this time around. And so, we do plan to have that information as well presented in a and have a a an appendix that actually has all the comments and how they addressed or did not address, you know, specific comments that we've
received. >> Yeah. because they're they're public hearings basically any or or >> let's start with public workshops it be like town hall >> so nothing goes on well yeah I'm trying to >> difference between them standing up and making
>> exactly >> presentation or whatever >> that's correct we'll do a presentation then they can >> come and ask questions and a lot of it is encouraging people to to review the product to you know but it's such the
point I was making about a lot of books. Most people are not going to sit there and read that. So, how do we create a presentation that gets to the gist of it, but doesn't overwhelm folks with the amount of minutiae in there? Oh, yes, we
modified this table to remove this asteric error. Um, but rather what does this all mean in the long run? So, we're working with that with the consultant to make it where it's manageable for the general public. Unfortunately, you all will have to slog through it and we'll
decide as a team with you as to did you want to do a line by line or did you want to, you know, page by page? >> You know, >> I'm trying to remember the process before >> if we we broke it up. We broke it up and
um because I was I was there as your consultant, >> we broke it up and um the book at that point was about yay thick and I had each one marked. So we went page by page, but
it was okay, the next change is on page 67. and we would flip over to that and I'd say, "Oh, these were primarily editorial changes to adjust Florida statute or it was something substantative." So, it it kind of went pretty well that
way because we focused on the substantive changes to have conversations about those. >> Yeah. >> portion of it. >> We want to look forward ahead to not having somebody not talk to the item
that we are looking at. at that particular time. >> I'll defer to your your council regard. >> Yeah. I mean, >> as prohibiting and limiting comment to only the >> to what what is presented that night
>> because you know >> do that. That's what they're asking him. >> Can that legally be done? I mean, if I if I made an announcement that tonight we're we're discussing section such and such through such such
a section, that's the only thing that we would receive comment on or you know, how can how will be >> I don't have a problem with that, but do you? >> No, I I was just going to say that likely if we're going to do section by section, the agenda will be publicly advertised that way. So, I don't think
there's any problem restricting public comment to only what's on the agenda. >> Okay. I think that's how we did it. I think that's how Steph did it last time. >> U call for adjournment. >> So moved. We are ajourned. Thank you very much everyone.
>> Thank you. Good night.