>> OKAY GOOD MORNING RIGHT  HERE MYSELF TODAY IS MONDAY  APRIL 22ND 2024. IT IS 09:00AM  AND WE'RE IN THE CITY CHAMBERS  AND I CALL THE CITY COMMISSION  WORKSHOP TO ORDER THIS WILL BE  A HYBRID MEETING. IF ALL GOES  WELL. THIS MEETING HAS BEEN  PROPERLY NOTICED AND WILL BE  CONDUCTED AS A HYBRID MEETING  REQUIRING THE USE OF  COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA A  PHYSICAL QUORUM OF VOTING  MEMBERS IS PRESENT AND CITY  COMMISSION CHAMBERS, A HYBRID  MEETING ALLOWS VOTING MEMBERS  TO ATTEND AND PARTICIPATE  WITHOUT BEING PHYSICALLY  PRESENT IN THE ROOM WITH THIS  QUORUM IS CONVENED. SO ROLL  CALL UP AS MYSELF MAYOR WHITE  VICE MAYOR STOKES COMMISSIONER  LANGDON COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  WE HAVE COMMISSIONER AND RICH.  ON SO OK HE WILL MAKE A  STATEMENT WHEN YOU LET US KNOW  WHEN HE COMES ON CORRECT,  OKAY.  >> SO WE HAVE TO WAIT TO  APPROVE THE USE OF CMT UNTIL  HE DOES MAKE THAT STATEMENT  ALSO PRESENT OUR CITY MANAGER  FLETCHER CITY ASSISTANT CITY  GOING. CITY CLERK FAU SUPPORT  SPECIALIST.  >> OVER.  >> POLICE HARRIS AND I THOUGHT  BACK THERE THANK YOU AND THAT  THEY NOT FIRE CHIEF EARLY WE  HAVE THAT RIGHT, THANK YOU ALL  RIGHT. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE  CAN I CALL ON A DIRECTOR.  >> RAY.  >> LATEST THE PLEDGE THANK  YOUR  >> IS JUST THE OF THE UNITED  STATES AMERICA AND TO THE  REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS  ONE NATION UNDER GOD  INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND  FOR ALL.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE PUBLIC  COMMENT. WE HAVE ONE PLACE.  OKAY.  >> AND THAT MEANT APRIL 22ND,  BACK.  >> AND  >> WHY  >> CAN.  I NEVER AND HAND YOU A LITTLE  OF LIGHT ON IT.  >> ASK FOR FAMILY AND ASKED  HIM A RAISE MY KIDS IN NEED  POINT FACTS  ♪ ♪ IT WOULD BE FINE BETTER AND  SAY THAT TOP SHE CAN'T PICTURE  AND WEEK. HELP PACK.  MY FAMILY COME OUT OF MY IT  WASN'T A TROPHY. NOW I'M AND  EVEN COMMUNITY IMPACT HELP I  MAKE SURE I DO SAFELY. AND  BACK  AT ONE POINT OUT WHAT MEANT  CHANGE THAT THINK THINGS GOING  ON IN OUR COMMUNITY AND DON'T  GET THAT.  ♪ PAY FOR IT SO I DON'T OUT CAN  ♪ AT ABOUT AND HAVE I MEAN THEY  ARE FACTS AND FOR ME AND I'M  GOING ON GRAB THANK YOU  YOUNG PEOPLE OUT AND MORE.  >> IN-PERSON WE HAVE BOB OR  CAR. ALL BY DEBORAH THE SENSE.  AND ARIANNA CAMPBELL.  >> GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS  PROPER MY WIFE AND I HAVE BUT  THEN HE RECREATES LAST 20  YEARS. DO I WISH TO EXPRESS MY  STRONG OPPOSITION TO THE  PROPOSED EXPANSION OF ACTIVITY  CENTER TO THE LTC TO INCLUDE  ALL OF THE RESIDENCES IN GOLF  COURSE IN CREEK. ACCORDING TO  THE CITY'S OWN COUNSEL  JENNIFER COHEN SINCE 1997 TO  THE PRESENT TIME. HERON CREEK  DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN DIVIDED  INTO 2 PRIMARY LAND USE  CATEGORIES AS IN THE FUTURE  LAND USE MAP. ONE VICTIM NICE  ENTERPRISE IN THE HEAD CREEK  TOWN CENTER AND A PORTION OF  THE RESIDENTS RECALL COURSE  AREA. WHICH EXCUSE TO LOGAN  CITY AREA IN THE GOLF  COMMUNITY. EARLY THE PROPOSE  ULDC WOULD INCLUDE BOTH LAND  USE CATEGORIES A SINGLE  ACTIVITY CENTER 2 WHICH WOULD  BE ZONE MIXED USE. WE ARE  EXTREMELY CONCERNED THAT THIS  CHANGE OF ZONING IT'S JUST A  STEP IN THE PROCESS. BUT THE  DEVELOPER CONVERTING ALL OR A  PORTION OF THE GOLF COURSE TO  OTHER PURPOSES. WHY DO WE HAVE  THESE FEARS. ON MARCH 27TH  2020. IT'S THE HOUSE OF 5TH  CITY. MEAN IT WAS TO RUN YORK  AND JIM BENNETT, LARGER  DEVELOPERS ALONG WITH OTHER  MEMBERS OF HER STAFF  SUMMARIZING THEIR MEETING. IN  ORDER TO EVALUATE A POTENTIAL  REDUCTION IN THE NUMBER OF  HOLES ON THE COURSE PLAN WILL  RUN THE FISCAL IMPACT MODEL  FOR 100 ACRES OF GOLF COURSE,  NO PLAY FAMILY AND SINGLE  FAMILY TO SEE WHAT THE  DIFFERENT IMPACT IS FOR EACH  TYPE. ON JUNE 3RD 2020. MISTER  PETER WEIR THEN CITY MANAGER  RESPONDED TO A LETTER FROM  THIS IS YOUR LIFE REGARDING  THEIR WHICH INCLUDED IN THE  EVENT WE JUST A GOLF TO THE  DEVELOPED USES PLEASE PROVIDE  US WITH BOTH THE SUGGESTED  PATHWAY TO APPROVAL AS WELL AS  YOUR BEST GUESS AS TO  POTENTIAL CONDITIONS THAT PUT  RESIDE UP. RAISES RESULT. YES,  WE VERY CONCERNED WITH THE  EXPANSION OF THE SET OR 2.  WHAT IS THE MOTIVATION OF THE  CITY TO EXPAND THAT COULD BE  SEVERE TOO. PRESIDENT ABOUT  IT. I FIND IT DIFFICULT TO SEE  HOW THE ONLY PARTY THAT COULD  BENEFIT FROM THIS ACTION A  DEVELOPER. WE STRONGLY REQUEST  TO ACTIONS. REJECT THE  PROPOSED EXPANSION TO THE  CENTER TO THE PROPOSE ULDC 2  MODIFY THE PERTH ACTIVITY  CENTER TO MAP MAKING ALL  RESIDENTIAL GOLF COURSE AREAS  CREEK. LOWELL THAT CITY  RESIDENTIAL. IF THE PLANNING  AND ZONING DEPARTMENT HAS THE  BELIEF THAT RESIDENTIAL  COMMUNITY SHOULD BECAUSE IS IT  THE KENNEDY CENTER'S. WHY  DOESN'T THE SUPPLY THE BOBCAT  TRAIL. WHAT DOES APPLY TO WELL  A PARK COUNTRY CLUB. WHILE IT  CREATE ONLY ONE BEING  TARGETED. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT  THING AND REJECT THIS  EXPANSION IT IT TO THE SENATE  DESIGNATION TO A RESIDENTIAL  ALL 4 SECTIONS THANK TIME  >> YEAH THAT'S REALLY GOOD.  CORRECT.  >> ALL RIGHT WHO IS NEXT THAT  REPRESENTS YOU. GOOD MORNING  COMMISSIONERS CITY MANAGER  MISTER A I'VE SPOKEN MIGHT  I'VE SPOKEN WITH MY HEADSPACE  A PREVIOUS 10 WEEKS 2 CHAIRS  OF COMMITTEES THE CITY MANAGER  THE CITY COMMISSIONERS, PUBLIC  MEETINGS COMING THE SORRY.  >> IT'S THE SECOND SOMEBODY I  MEAN CLAIMING MY TIME THAT'S  COMMISSIONER MUCH THAT GET.  ALL OKAY AND IN BUT THAT'S WE  OKAY.  >> THIS PRECIPITATED BY MY  BUILDING PERMIT BEING PUT ON  HOLD BY ZONING THEY DO IN  FEBRUARY BECAUSE MY DOG IS IN  AN ACTIVITY CENTER PLANNED 17  YEARS AGO FOR A FUTURE LAND  USE OF MEDIUM HIGH DENSITY  RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL  INDUSTRIAL LAND USE. I LOVE  HIS OWN FROM LOW DENSITY  RESIDENTIAL. I LEARNED THIS  AREA WAS NEVER A REZONE TO  ALIGN WITH THE 17 YEAR-OLD COP  ALTHOUGH 68 SINGLE-FAMILY  HOMES HAVE BEEN ALLOWED BY THE  CITY TO BE PERMITTED SCATTERED  THROUGHOUT THE 3 NEIGHBORHOODS  OF BARCELONA CIRCLE. IT WOULD  SERVE HAMPSHIRE CIRCLE ARE YOU  THE ULDC GUIDELINES IN WHICH  NONE OF THE PROPOSE A SI 6  LINE NEW SCHOOL FIT ON THE  QUARTER ACRE LOTS OF 80 FOOT  FRONTAGE THE MAJORITY OF THE  LOTS IN THESE AREAS. WE REMAIN  OBLIGED TO PAY PROPERTY TAXES  ON THESE LOTS WERE NOT ALLOWED  TO BUILD ON THE ESTABLISHED  HOUSES WILL BE CONSIDERED  NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES WHICH  MEANS THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO  BE EXPANDED OR REBUILD THE  DESTROYED A MISALIGNED WITH  THE REZONING ORDINANCE  ACCORDING GUIDELINES. I WONDER  IF THE REZONING CHANGE  SUGGESTED IS OUT OF SCALE WITH  THE CHARACTER OF THESE  ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS NOW  SO HERE WE ARE TODAY, I'M NOT  TRYING TO PLANNER SO I CAN  ONLY SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE FOR  ALL A MIDWESTERNER PLANNED TO  FLORIDA WHEN CANNOT FIT A  SQUARE PEG IN A ROUND HOLE. I  WONDER WHETHER THE AC 6  BOUNDARIES LOGICALLY DRAWN  RELATION TO THE NOW EXISTING  CONDITIONS FOR OUR 3  NEIGHBORHOOD SOUTH OF I 75  POST FOR REZONING CHANGE. NOW  IN SPEAKING FROM MY HEART  SPACE. THE CITY COMMISSIONERS  HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WITH 3  CHOICES FOR THE FUTURE ZONING  OF OUR 3 ESTABLISHED  NEIGHBORHOODS, 68 HOMES WANT  TO CONTINUE WITH THE AC 6  REZONING WHICH WILL  SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE  HOMEOWNERS. FINANCIALLY. AND  THEY HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE  POSSIBILITY OF THEIR HOMES  BEING BULLDOZED TO ALLOW  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ONLY ON  CERTAIN BLOCKS ARE LOCKED IN A  C 61 CIRCLE HAD INCLUSIVE OF  ALL NEIGHBORHOODS AND A LOT  SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN A SEA 6  SOUTH OF I 75. I WONDER IF  THERE ARE SUBSTANTIAL REASONS  WHY THESE 3 NEIGHBORHOOD  PROPERTIES CANNOT REMAIN IN  ACCORD WITH THE EXISTING  ZONING ORDINANCE OR BE AMENDED  TO LOW MEDIUM DENSITY FOR  PRIEST. 3 SINGLE-FAMILY  ESTABLISHED NEIGHBORHOODS  SINCE THERE ARE NO A C  6 PROPOSED LAND USES BE AT THE  SIDE TO EM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL  FIT WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF  THESE ESTABLISHED  NEIGHBORHOODS AND THERE ARE A  1000 PLUS AC 6 DEVELOP  UNDEVELOPED ACRES. AGAIN I'M  NOT TRAINED AS A CITY PLANNER  AND JUST SPEAKING AS A RETIRED  WOMAN WHO CHOSE TO BUILD LIKE  DREAM HOME IN PORT, I'VE  SPOKEN WITH A LOT OF MY  NEIGHBORS WHO HAVE NO CLUE  WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE AND  THERE THAT ONE FOR MOST IF NOT  ALL OF A LOT THEY AGREE. THIS  IS VERY IMPORTANT TO WEST THAT  WE BE ABLE TO CONSENT TO  CONTINUE TO LIVE IN OUR  NEIGHBORHOOD SAFELY AND ALLOW  THE FIGHT BUILDING PERMITS ON  HOLD TO MOVE FORWARD AND ENJOY  THE CITY OF NORTH PORT THANK  YOU.  >> WE WANT GO BACK. CITY CLERK  GET MUCH.  >> ON OK BEFORE WE MOVE WITH  ANY MORE PUBLIC COMMENTS. HE'S  ON THE RECORD  >> YEAR.  >> ALL RIGHT, GARY IS GOOD  MORNING COMMISSIONER. MORNING.  READY FOR YOUR TIME I'M SO  SORRY THAT MY COMPUTER WAS NOT  WORKING THIS MORNING. OH  THAT'S FINE YOU CAN SAY YOU  HAVE THE PHONE TO YOUR EAR. SO  THAT'S GOOD. YEAH, I'M STILL  IN CONTACT WITH HAS  AUTHORIZED. BY CITY COMMISSION  POLICY NUMBER 2021 DASH CAM I  AM ATTENDING THIS HYBRID  MEETING COMMUNICATIONS MEDIA  TECHNOLOGIES, I'M EXPERIENCING  A MEDICAL CONDITION, INCLUDING  MANY DISABILITIES PREVENTING  ME FROM ATTENDING IN PERSON AT  THIS TIME.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU, I'M  LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO  APPROVE THE USE OF CMT FOR  THIS HYBRID.  >> LOVED.  >> OK I HAVE TO MOTION YES, GO  AHEAD WE ARE IN THE WORKSHOP  AND BY POLICY WE ARE NOT  ALLOWED TO MAKE MOTIONS YOU  CAN MAKE ADMINISTRATIVE MOTION  SECOND JUST NOT THE THANK YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT, SO I'M A MOTION  BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON TO  APPROVE THE USE OF CMT. FOR  THIS HYBRID MEETING AND THAT  WAS SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR  STOKES SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE  WE'RE GOING TO VOICE VOTE.  VICE MAYOR. YES.  >> MAYOR WHITE I'M A  COMMISSIONER LANGDON I'M A  YES. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL,  AND COMMISSIONER EMRICH.  >> ARE YOU THERE.  >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING  ON AND I SAID YES 3 TIMES I  DON'T KNOW WHY IT'S NOT WORK.  >> OKAY WE HEAR YOU NOW SO  THAT'S THE S OKAY SO THAT  PASSES 5 TO 0.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU WE'LL  CONTINUE WITH PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> GOOD COMMISSION CITY THIS  AREA ON THE CAMPBELL. BROUGHT  THIS PHOTO, DAUGHTER. SHARE  WITH YOU THAT IT'S MY HUSBAND  AND I PURCHASED WE OWN A  PROPERTY AND ACTIVITY CENTER  6. WE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY  WITH ALL OF OUR HOPES AND  DREAMS IN TOW. MY HUSBAND HAS  RELENTLESSLY WORKED 2 JOBS, 16  HOURS A DAY. 6 DAYS A WEEK TO  PLACES DECISION TO FACILITATE  THIS ENDEAVOR. WE HAVE A TEAM  THE FUNDS HAVE BEEN DISPERSED  AND THE MATERIALS FOR THIS  HOME ARE READY PURCHASE OVER  THE COURSE OF MONTHS WE HAVE  COMPLETED ALL TESTING  REQUESTED BY THE BUILDING  DEPARTMENT TO BUILD A SINGLE  FAMILY IN THIS LOCATION. OUR  APPLICATION WAS ACCEPTED AND  PAID FOR NEVER DID ANY  PERSONNEL WITHIN THIS  DEPARTMENT DISCLOSED ANY  CONFLICT WITH THE ZONING IN  THIS LOCATION. THERE HAS BEEN  A HUGE AIR MADE AT THE HANDS  OF THIS DEPARTMENT. AND  NOBODY, BUT THE CITIZENS OF  THE CITY OF PAYING FOR.  WITHOUT THE CORRECTION OF THIS  MISTAKE. IT'S NO FAULT OUR  OWN. MY HUSBAND DIED AT THE  AGE OF 30 YEARS OLD WILL BE  STARING AT $300,000 IN OUR 5  YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER WITH  INTENDING TO START  KINDERGARTEN THIS FALL. EACH  NIGHT AT THAT TIME WHEN THE 3  OF US GO INTO OUR SINGLE ROOM  WE ALL CLIMB INTO ONE BETTER  AT NIGHT. SHE ASKED ME NOW.  >> MOMMY WHETHER BE GOING  HOME.  >> AND IT BREAKS ME TO MY CORE  MY DAUGHTER IS SUFFERING LIKE  THAT SHE DESERVES TO GO  PUBLIC. WE DON'T DESERVE THIS.  WE'VE DONE NOTHING HOLE. SO IT  DOES NOT DESERVE THIS. WE'RE  ALL HUMAN AND MISTAKES ARE  MADE. ACCOUNTABILITY IS KEY  HERE. THIS AREA NEEDS TO BE  MADE RIGHT AND I HUMBLY AND  WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I ASKED  THE 5 YOU COMMISSIONERS. YOU  HAVE THE POWER TO CHANGE THIS.  YOU HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE  THIS RIGHT AND I ARE TOO. THE  SEARCH YOUR HEART AND  SEARCHERS SOULS AS YOU VOTE  AND ASK YOURSELF IS THIS HOW  YOU BOUT TO REPRESENT YOUR  CITY AND CITIZENS THAT LIVE  HERE.  >> MORE IMPORTANTLY I ASK TO  ASK YOURSELF IN SLEEP AT NIGHT  KNOWING THAT YOU'VE STOPPED  THE CHIPS OF HOMELESSNESS AND  POVERTY AGAINST A 5 YEAR-OLD  WE HAVE TO KNOW WHERE TO GO.  THIS ALL THAT WE HAVE AND THAT  YOU PLEASE IT ALL OF THAT INTO  CONSIDERATION BEFORE YOU GO.  >> I DON'T HAVE THE SPENCE NC  SPEECH ANYTHING. AND I DID GET  6 A. SPEECH WAS VERY MOVING.  AND MIGHT THIS ALSO THE SAME.  MY HUSBAND AND PIECE OF WHAT  YORK'S HIGHER. IT'S NEW YORK  SHIRE IT'S THE TREE CIRCLE. WE  HAVE 2 NEIGHBORS. LIKE. MY  NAME IS JULIA THAT I'M A  VETERAN. I'M A OF 3 CHILDREN.  THE SEMI TRUCK DRIVER. AND THE  BUSINESS OWNER. I GO TO  SCHOOL. EVERY DAY AT THE PUNTA  GORDA AIRPORT. SO LEARNED HOW  COME IF I IF A POWER BUT  BECAUSE TO FIX AIRPLANES. SO I  A LOT I'VE GOT A LOT. AND MY  HUSBAND ARE VERY MOTIVATED TO  WORK ON THAT PROPERTY. WE  PURCHASED. LIKE 3 YEARS AGO.  NOT EXACTLY ON DATES. BUT WE  WERE IN THE PROCESS OF  BUILDING DREAM HOUSE WAS IN  THE SMALL LITTLE TINY COTTAGE  IT WAS A MESS OF BUT HAS I  DON'T ABOUT WE WERE WELL ON  THEIR WAY. WE HAD A PROPERTY  PERMITS. WE HAD THE PAPERWORK  WE HAD CLEAR. SO THE HOUSE  WISCONSIN. TO FINANCE PROJECT.  SO WE ARE WELL ON THEIR WAY.  AND THEN THERE WAS ONE DAY.  WHEN FOR THE PIKE. I THINK  THIS A WEEK AWAY FROM POURING  CONCRETE. MY HUSBAND RECEIVED  THE PHONE CALL. AND THAT PHONE  CALL SAID. THERE WAS A MAN  THAT SAID. BECAUSE A LITTLE  LONGER WORK ON THIS HELPS.  WE'VE BEEN PLANNING FOR OVER 2  YEARS. A LOT OF TIME AND  EFFORT AND MONEY HAS BEEN  SPENT. AND THAT ONE FULL AND  DID EVERYTHING HE WAS  DEVASTATED. HE WAS DEPRESSED.  I WANT PASS IT UP SO. I JUST  TOOK OPPORTUNITY. TRY TO MAKE  THE BEST OF THE SITUATION, BUT  HE WAS. SHAKE IT TO THE CORE.  SO I URGE EVERYONE IN THIS  BECAUSE LEAVING THE PROPERTY.  OF ACTIVITIES SO SO THE 6. AND  THE RESIDENTS. TO BE ABLE  THEIR DREAM PROCESS LIKE MY  HUSBAND. OUR FAMILY. AND  THAT'S ALL. YOU KNOW WE JUST  WANT TO HAVE OUR HOMES BUILT  HE LEFT THE ROOM.  >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS  JOSH SMITH. NAMED. I ACTUALLY  KIND A GOOD A MAN NAMED DAVE  CITY OR STATE DEPENDING ON WHO  YOU ASK. FINALLY TOOK TIME TO  LOOK INTO MY PERMANENT. IT  TOOK HIM 5 MINUTES WE JUST HAD  SOME STUFF ATTACHED TO THE  WRONG PERMITS. I FINALLY GOT  MY PERMITTING APPROVED. I JUST  WANT TO STAND UP THERE AND SAY  THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S BEEN  A WAR. IT JUST IT JUST KIND OF  SECONDS MADE THAT WE KEEP  HEARING THESE STORIES ON THE  TAPES BEING NIGHTMARE TO GET  THIS PROCESS TIME. WE ALL  BOUGHT LAND WE ALL SPEND MONEY  WE ALL PAY OUR TAXES. WE ALL  PAY PERMITS WE DO EVERYTHING  WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO IT. AND  SOMEHOW IT'S I KEEP HEARING  THESE STORIES. I REALLY HOPE  THAT YOU KNOW I'M ONE OF THE  LUCKY ONES. I REALLY HOPE THAT  YOU GUYS KEEP LISTENING TO THE  CITIZENS AND WE UNDERSTAND  THAT YOU KNOW SOME PEOPLE YOU  KNOW THE REALLY NICE ACTUALLY  DO WHAT WE THEY'VE ALREADY  PERMIT AND PAID MONEY FOR  THAT'S REALLY ALL I GOT AND  MISTER DE SETTING REALLY  APPRECIATE AND THEY ARE  AGAINST. THANK YOU CITY  MANAGER THAT YOU SOMETHING.  >> POINT THE SENSE OF YES  MA'AM I WAS GOING TO FOR THE  PEOPLE WHO OR ACTIVITY CENTER  6 WHICH HEARD ABOUT I THINK  THIS DECISION IS THE ONE WHO  WE TALKED TO THE MOST ABOUT  WHO WE INFORMED HER THAT WE  HAD A SOLUTION THAT WOULD  ALLOW POLL. SO THAT IS THE  PROGRESS IT WILL AFFECT ALL OF  THE ONES WHO ARE HERE FOR THAT  SAME REASON WE DO RECOGNIZE  THAT WE HAVE ACCOUNTABILITY IN  THE SITUATION AND HOW IT GOT  HERE BASED ON WHAT OUR STAFF  TO DO AS FAR AS ALLOWING FOR.  ONLY 2 WANT TO GO THERE TO  BELIEVE THAT THEY COULD GO  THERE SO DIRECTOR WRAY AND HER  ULDC I IN DISCUSSIONS AND MORE  BARS WILL TALK ABOUT THOSE  SOLUTIONS BUT WE ALREADY HAVE  A SOLUTION IN PLACE SO THAT  THEY CAN DO. THAT'S REGARDING  THE EXISTING. IT'S THAT URBAN  RIGHT. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> MAYOR SINCE WE KIND OF HAVE  THIS AGENDA ITEM TO BE SIGNED  AND ACTIVITY CENTER CURIOUS IF  WE CAN JUST MOVE ACTIVITY  CENTER 6 TO THE BEGINNING OF  THIS MEETING INSTEAD OF HAVING  THESE POOR FOLKS IT THROUGH.  THE SIGN JUST IT OUT THERE TO  SEE IF MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS  ARE AMENABLE TO THAT IDEA.  LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS. WELL  IT'S IT'S ONE COMBINED AGENDA  ITEM YOU LOOK EACH ONE OF THE  BACKUP MATERIALS, IT APPEARS  FINDS IS FIRST AND INTO THE  CENTER SUCCESS LAST EVEN  THOUGH IT ONE AGENDA ITEM SO  WE CAN MOVE AGENDA THERE'S  ONLY WANT ASKING WE COULD  HAVE. THE DISCUSSION ACTIVITY  CENTER 6 1ST. ALL RIGHT, WHAT  ARE WE THINK ABOUT ABSOLUTE  YES ON POINT  >> THAT SUGGESTION  COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU  COMMISSIONER AVERAGE. DID YOU  HEAR THAT. HEAR ME. DID YOU  HEAR WHAT COMMISSIONER DOUBT  HAD SAID ABOUT DISCUSS YEAH,  OKAY AND YOU KNOW I GUESS I  GOT TO WAIT FOR THE SCREEN TO  COME UP, BUT I MEAN YES OKAY.  I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DO  IT AND THERE'S NO MORE PUBLIC  COMMENT IS THAT CORRECT. OKAY.  >> SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO ITEM  TO GENERAL BUSINESS 24. DASH  0, 5, 9, 0 AND CITY MANAGER  THIS IS YOUR ITEM. THANK YOU  MADAM MAYOR, THIS IS A  DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION  REGARDING WE'RE THE DRAFT OF  UNITED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE  CHAPTER LATE SON'S IN  DISCUSSION INTO SIMPLE TIMELY  DEVELOPMENT IN ACTIVITY.  >> SO THERE ARE 6 YORK SIRE  AND WE HAVE ASSISTANT DIRECTOR  OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES MISS  STORYBOARDS PERCENT.  >> GOOD MORNING. MAYOR  COMMISSIONERS LORI BARNES  ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF  DEVELOPMENT SERVICE S  REGARDING ACTIVITY CENTER SEX.  IN LIGHT OF THE ISSUES  PRESENTED BY THE RESIDENTS  HERE TODAY. WE WANTED TO BRING  A CONSIDERATION A WORD TO THE  CITY COMMISSION AS 2 POSSIBLE  SOLUTIONS TO ADDRESS THE  ISSUES THAT HAVE ARRIVED AND  2. LACK OF TRAINING AND ERRORS  ON THE BEHALF OF OUR ZONING  STAFF IN THE PAST WHEN AND I  CAME HERE. 2 YEARS AND A  LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 2 YEARS.  FROM NOW. WE WERE ADVISED  IMMEDIATELY BY THE PLANNING  STAFF THAT SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES  WERE NOT PERMITTED AND  ACTIVITY CENTER SETS. NOW ON  YOUR SCREEN YOU SEE POLICY  TOO. 0.1 8. 2.1 8 AND THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CALLS FOR  ALL OF THE PROPERTIES AND THE  ACTIVITY CENTERS TO BE RESOUND  TO A PLANNED COMMUNITY  DEVELOPMENT ZONING DISTRICT.  UNFORTUNATELY AFTER ADOPTION  OF THESE POLICIES AND THE  CREATION OF THE ACTIVITY  CENTER SET SEX AND THE OTHERS.  THIS SOUNDING DID NOT MOVE  FORWARD AS INTENDED OR ALL OF  THESE AREAS. NOW ACTIVITY  CENTER SEX HAS BEEN  CONTEMPLATED IN THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SINCE 2002.  AND 2002. THE COMPREHENSIVE  PLAN DID NOT IDENTIFY ANY  SPECIFIC PERCENTAGES. 4 USES  OF THE LAND. HOWEVER, IN 2008  THE ACTIVITY CENTER TABLE  CLEARLY TO PETS THAT ACTIVITY  CENTER 6 NOW LOW DENSITY  RESIDENTIAL WAS CONTEMPLATED  OR PERMISSIBLE AND THAT  ACTIVITY CENTER. YEAH THE  ACTIVITY CENTER BOUNDARY AND  2008 DID INCLUDE THE AREA TO  THE SOUTH OF I 75. DESPITE THE  FACT THAT THAT LAND REMAINED  RSF 2 SINGLE FAMILY ZONING.  UNDER THE CURRENT  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE  PERCENTAGE ALLOCATIONS FOR USE  IN SOME LAND REMAIN AS THEY  WERE IN 2008.  >> WITH NO DENSITY ALLOCATION  PROVIDED FOR AND ACTIVITY  CENTER SETS.  >> THE INTERIM GUIDELINES FOR  ACTIVITIES CENTER SIMILARLY DO  NOT REFLECT LOW-DENSITY  RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.  ALSO OUT THAT ACTIVITY SENSEX  SHELBY RESOUND TO COMPLY WITH  THE CITY'S COPPERHEADS HAVE  YET THE PAST ADMINISTRATION  NEVER PROCEEDED WITH EVERY  ZONE. THIS IS THE CURRENT  BOUNDARY OF ACTIVITY CENTER  SEX AGAIN SHOWING NORTH AND  SOUTH OF I 75 AND THE OR  CHYRON RAINTREE AREA AS  ACTIVITY CENTER 6 FUTURE LAND  USE. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH ON  THE NORTH SIDE ALLIES 75 SOME  REZONINGS OCCUR, HOWEVER, THE  PROPERTY WAS NOT RANSOM TO  PLANNED DEVELOPMENT.  >> IT WAS REZONE TO  COMMERCIAL. TO MEDIUM DENSITY  RESIDENTIAL AND TO GOVERNMENT  IS IS AS WELL AS HIGH-DENSITY  RESIDENTIAL.  >> THE AREA WHERE WE ARE  SEEING THE CONCERN US ON THE  SOUTH SIDE OF I 75.  >> WHERE SOME HOMES WERE  ISSUED PER METS AND THE PAST.  DO TOO. AND CONSISTENCY IN THE  APPLICATION OF OUR  REGULATIONS. THIS IS NOT  AN INTERPRETATION. THE STATE  LAW IS VERY CLEAR THAT  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES  SUPERSEDE UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT POLICIES AND  ZONING IF THEY CAN PLAY AND  THIS CASE THEY DID CONFLICT  THERE FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE  PLAN POLICIES RULE FOR THESE  PROPERTIES DESPITE ZONING  DESIGNATION. THIS AREA, CIRCLE  AND THE AREA WHERE MOST OF  THESE HOMES WERE PERMITTED AND  CONFLICT WITH THE  COMPREHENSIVE PROVISIONS.  THOUGHT 3 OPTIONS STAFF  PROVIDED 2 OF OPTIONS PROVIDE  SOME RELIEF TO THE PROPERTY  OWNERS YOU'VE HEARD FROM  TODAY. THE FIRST OPTION IS TO  LEAVE ACTIVITY CENTER SEX. AND  AS CURRENT BOUNDARY FORM.  REZONE THE PROPERTIES TO PCD  PRODUCT FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE  THAT WOULD NOT RESOLVE THE  ISSUES WITH THE SINGLE-FAMILY  HOMEOWNERS. I DID WANT TO  MENTION KHAN TURN TO TO SOME  STATEMENTS THAT WERE MADE  EARLIER HOMES THAT ARE OUT  THERE THEY ARE NONCONFORMING  WE HAVE PROVISIONS IN THE NEW  UNIFIED LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE  AND AT PROPERTY DAMAGED OR  DESTROYED. THEY CAN REPLACE IT  WITHIN A YEAR EVEN THEY ARE  NON COMPLIANT WITH THE CURRENT  REGULATIONS. SIMILARLY IF THEY  WANT TO ADD AN ACCESSORY  STRUCTURE THAT WOULD NOT BE  PROHIBITED UNDER THE  NONCONFORMING PROVISIONS THAT  WEREN'T MEANT PROF. OPTION 2  WOULD BE TO FOCUS ON THAT BILL  WOULD CIRCLE AREA WHICH HAS  THE MAJORITY OF THE  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES THAT WERE  PERMITTED AND OUT. AND THE 3RD  OPTION IS TO ALLOW  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND  ACTIVITY CENTER OF SEX SOUTH  OF I 75. FOR THE CURRENT  BOUNDARY. THAT IS STRONG. SO  IS LOOKING FOR SOME DIRECTION  FROM THE COMMISSION TO  INCORPORATE INTO OUR  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT.  THAT WILL BE BROUGHT FORWARD  WE ANTICIPATE AND THEY. AND  WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY  QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE  AND WHERE I'M AWAITING YOUR  DIRECTION TO PROCEED. ALL  RIGHT. THANK COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> THE STORIES THAT WE HEARD  TODAY FROM THE CITIZENS. IT'S  HEART WRENCHING. IS NOT AN  IMAGE I WANT FOR THE CITY.  APPLAUD STAFF AND CITY MANAGER  FOR OWNING PREVIOUS ERRORS AND  FINDING SOLUTIONS FIX THEM.  THIS IS A HARDSHIP THAT'S BEEN  CREATED. IN THIS GENERAL AREA.  BUT WHO ARE WE. I KNOW SOME OF  YOU ARE GOING TO BE SAYING  POKING THE BEAR HERE. WHO ARE  WE. TO SAY ONE HARDSHIP IS  MORE HARDSHIP ON PERSON AND  OTHERS THAT TO NOT COME BEFORE  US. REZONING THIS ENTIRE CITY.  AND WE'RE TAKING AWAY PEOPLE'S  DREAMS. WHEN THEY HAVE A  SINGLE FAMILY VACANT LOT. AND  THEN YEARS TO COME ARE  DREAMING OF RETIRING TO OUR  CITY. AND THOSE VACANT LOTS  ARE CURRENTLY ZONED  RESIDENTIAL. WHEN WE GO  THROUGH THIS REZONE GOING TO  BE MIXED USE ONE AND MIXED USE  TO. AND THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE  TO. BUILT THEIR DREAM HOME  BECAUSE OF THE RECENT IT'S A  PROHIBITED USE AT THAT POINT.  THAT. IS NOT IMAGE. I WANT  TODAY. TOMORROW FOR DECADES TO  COME. IT'S IT'S  UNCONSCIONABLE. THAT WE ARE  TAKING PEOPLE'S. AND NOT  ALLOWING THEM TO DEVELOP THEIR  LAND THAT THEY PURCHASED IT  FOR TO BUILD HOME.  >> GRANTED SOME DEVELOPER SOME  MAGICAL DEVELOPERS GOING TO  COMBINE I ABOUT THESE  PROPERTIES PUTS A MIXED USE  WATER MIXED USE TO ON THAT  PROPERTY.  >> ONE OF THOSE PROPERTY  OWNERS GOING TO DO TODAY. WHAT  ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE  HAPPENED. TODAY. TOMORROW 5  YEARS FROM NOW. WHAT ABOUT THE  PROPERTY OWNER THAT LIVES NEXT  DOOR TO A VACANT LAND THAT  DOES GET DEVELOPED.  >> YES, I'M THRILLED THAT  THERE ARE SOME BUFFERS PUT  INTO PLACE FOR THOSE MIXED USE  20 MIXED USE TUNES. WHAT ABOUT  THE HOW DO YOU REGULATE SOUND  WHEN YOU WITHIN I DON'T KNOW  30 OR 40 FEET OF IT. WE HAVE A  RESPONSIBILITY TO PLAN FOR THE  FUTURE ABSOLUTELY WE ALSO HAVE  A RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT US  TO PUBLISH NEIGHBORHOODS.  ESTABLISHED AREAS THAT PEOPLE  CALL THERE.  WHETHER THAT'S TODAY.  TOMORROW. 5 YEARS FROM NOW.  I'M REALLY GRATEFUL THAT STAFF  CAME UP WITH THE IDEA.  ANYTHING SOUTH OF 75. IT'S A  VERY REALISTIC. THANK  >> BUT AFTER EVERYTHING I JUST  SAID WHAT ABOUT THOSE POOR  PEOPLE THAT ARE KNOWN 75.  >> 5 YEARS FROM NOW. 10 YEARS  FROM NOW. I CAME UP WITH  ANOTHER IDEA AND I WOULD LOVE  TO SHARE.  >> AND THAT IS IT'S A PRE  PLATTED LOT. OWN. THAT YOU'RE  ALLOWED TO DEVELOP YOUR HOME  ON. TODAY TOMORROW 5 YEARS  FROM NOW. HOWEVER. IF IT'S  GOING TO BE COME AT SOME POINT  IN THAT FAR OFF MAGICAL  DEVELOPER FUTURE. A PLANNED  COMMUNITY. MAYBE LIKE AN  H.O.A. TYPE OF COMMUNITY. NO  SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WOULD BE  ALLOWED ON NO BECAUSE THEY  HAVE TO JOIN THOSE PROPERTIES  TOGETHER. THERE'S A SINGLE  FAMILY LOT IS USUALLY BY ONE  20. SO THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION  FOR I WOULD LOVE TO DISCUSS  FURTHER WITH MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS AND MY STAFF.  PLEASE DO NOT LOSE SIGHT. THAT  WHAT WE 6 AND ACTIVITY CENTER  6. IS GOING TO REAR ITS UGLY  HEAD. AND ANY ZONING DISTRICT  THINK IT'S CHANGED FROM SINGLE  FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. TO MAKE  SHE'S EXCUSE TO. IT'S NOT AN  IMAGE I WANT FOR OUR CITY AND  FUTURE. AND I DO NOT. AND BE  THAT THE WRATH OF FUTURE  COMMISSIONS WHEN CITIZENS COME  FORWARD WITH SIMILAR STORIES  TODAY THAT THEY PURCHASE THEIR  PROPERTY AND THEY CAN'T  DEVELOP ON IT. IT'S A  HARDSHIP. NOBODY'S HARDSHIP IS  WORSE OR BETTER THAN SOMEBODY  ELSE'S HOW DO YOU EQUATE A  HARDSHIP STILL HARDSHIP. I  YIELD LOOK FORWARD TO THE  CONVERSATION. I THANK YOU.  VICE MAYOR.  >> ALL OF THEIR  >> I CONCUR I'M GLAD TO SEE  THAT THE CITY HAS YOU KNOW AND  APPROACHED AND WHEN THOSE HAVE  ALREADY PERMITS YOU IDEA BEING  ABLE TO REPLACE REPAIR ON  WHICH IN ONE YEAR. I MEAN THE  REALITY IS CAN TAKE GOD KNOWS  HOW MUCH LONGER THAT.  INSURANCE CLAIMS GOD FORBID  ANYTHING HAPPENS TO REALITY  THAT I FALL SOMEWHERE IN THE  MIDDLE HERE. MY BELIEF THAT.  IN IN THIS AREA WHERE. PEOPLE  HAVE SUBMIT PERMITS. COUPLE OF  NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU KNOW  ARE AT ISSUE I MEAN THE CITY  CLEARLY MADE A MISTAKE. AND  PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING FOR IT  THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE SUFFER  FOR IT THEY SHOULD BE ENTITLED  TO BUILD THEIR HOMES THEY  SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO ENJOY  THEIR DREAM. CERTAINLY THEY  SHOULD NOT INCUR ANY FINANCIAL  HARDSHIP AS A OF THIS AND THE  CITY SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT  THEY'RE ALLOWED TO FORWARD AND  WITH THE PERMIT RESTRICTIONS  GET THIS OUT OF THE WAY SO  THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AS FAR  AS THE OTHER AREAS THE  PHILOSOPHICAL DISCUSSION HERE  REZONING THE REALITY IS  GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN  ENTIRE CITY A SINGLE FAMILY.  SO THE THOUGHT THAT WE CITY RE  SO ON. JUST DOESN'T  MAKE SENSE. THE INABILITY FOR  THIS CITY TO FINANCE ITS  GROWTH MORE AND MORE EVERY DAY  WITH LESS THAN 10%  NON-RESIDENTIAL TAX REVENUE,  IT'S ABSURD TO THINK THAT THIS  CITY CAN CONTINUE WITHOUT  DOUBLING AND TRIPLING ITS  PROPERTY TAX RATES WHICH IS  GOING TO PUSH A SIGNIFICANT  PORTION OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS  CITY OUT BECAUSE HE WON'T BE  ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE HERE.  WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS  AND IT'S BEEN SLOW FOR ARTICLE  PROCESS THERE SPEND  CONSIDERATION ASKED EACH  FORTUNATE THIS. WE WRITE HAS  COME FORWARD. PEOPLE HAVE  RAISED CONCERNS OVER  NEIGHBORHOODS AREAS AND THOSE  HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED IN A  SINCERE SENSITIVE WAY NOT  EVERYBODY GOT THEIR WAY  COMPROMISES WERE MADE AND THIS  IS A LIVING DOCUMENT THERE  WILL BE AS WE MOVE FORWARD  CONTINUAL MODIFICATIONS AND  TWEAKS FOR COMEDY TO BE HUMANE  THE UNDERSTANDING. BUT THE  THAT. WE SHOULD NOT DO THIS  THAT WE CAN REZONE IN ORDER TO  BLEND THE CITY PROPERLY SO WE  CAN HAVE A BALANCE TAX BASE SO  PEOPLE CAN AFFORD TO LIVE  HERE. IT'S JUST IT'S NOT  REALISTIC. IT'S A GREAT THING  TO STAND ON A SOAPBOX SAY YOU  KNOW. BUT IT'S JUST NOT  REALITY, I MEAN THE  ALTERNATIVE. REZONING THE  DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO  BALANCE OUR TAX BASE YOU TO  THINK DO 3 TIMES IN PROPERTY  TAXES. WHAT YOU PAY NOW, IT'S  NOT THREAT, IT'S JUST THE  REALITY CAN'T CONTINUE PEOPLE  KEEP MOVING HERE AND  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES COST THE  CITY OF FORTUNE. BASIC  SERVICES, MORE THAN WHAT COMES  IN IN TAX REVENUE. YOU WANT A  NEW RESTAURANT YOU WANT TO SAY  PLACE TO GO. THOSE BUSINESSES  ARE ATTRACTED BY DENSITY. AND  WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO CREATE  SOME DIVERSITY OF HOUSING  TYPES. WE DON'T ATTRACT THOSE  BUSINESSES AND PEOPLE WONDER  WHY WE GET. YOU KNOW  EVERYTHING MOVES SOUTH OR  NORTH OF US AND AND THERE'S A  LOT MORE HERE THAN MEETS THE  EYE SO. BY MEANS THE CITY  INTENDS TO BE COMPASSIONATE I  BELIEVE AND FUTURE COMMISSIONS  WILL BE WITH REGARD TO  PROBLEMS THAT ARISE AND THEY  CAN BE DEALT WITH, BUT YOU  KNOW I'M NOT FOR TAKING A BIG  SWATCH ACTIVITY CENTER 6 AND  MAKING IT RESIDENTIAL THAT WAS  NEVER THE INTENT. PROBLEM WAS  PEOPLE WERE ALLOWED UNDER THE  BELIEF THAT THEY COULD MOVE IN  ACTIVITY CENTER 6 BUILT THEIR  DREAM HOMES AND THAT WAS A  MISTAKE ON THE PART OF THE  CITY AND IT SHOULD RECTIFIED  BY ALLOWING THESE PEOPLE TO  BUILD. SLIPPERY SLOPE. SAYS  YOU DON'T HAVE TO APPRECIATE  THAT S ACTIVITIES CENTER 6  GROSS AND EVENTUALLY YORK  SHIRE. YOU INTERCHANGE BECAUSE  IN THE AIR AND THEN EXITS AND  THERE I MEAN YOUR GOING TO BE  SURROUNDED BY NON RESIDENTIAL  DEVELOPMENT. THAT IS A CHOICE  YOU SHALL MAKE BUT YOU SHOULD  BE ENTITLED TO MAKE AND YOU  SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO ENJOY  IRAN. NOW BECAUSE KNOWS HOW  MANY YEARS IT WILL BE BEFORE  THAT EVER HAPPENS. SO. THAT'S  ALL I HAVE TO SAY I'M I'M I'M  GLAD TO CITIES DOING SOMETHING  ADDRESS THESE FINE FOLKS TO  BOY OH OUT OFF THE WALLS IF I  WAS IN ANY OTHER POSITIONS AND  SO IT'S TIME TO JUST LIKE GET  THIS. RECTIFIED SO THEY CAN  MOVE FORWARD. SO. ALL RIGHT,  THANK YOU THAT YOU HAVE A  PREFERENCE ANY ONE OF THOSE  BELIEVE IT WAS OPTION TOO. AS  THE DOW WOULD CIRCLE AREA  THAT'S OKAY. COMMISSIONER  LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR, I HAVE A  FEW QUESTIONS FIRST FROM  BARNS. HOW MUCH RESIDENTIAL  DEVELOPMENT IS THERE  CURRENTLY.  >> AND HOW MANY BUILDING  PERMITS HAVE BEEN PULLED AND  APPROVED ON THE OTHER SIDE OF  75. I GUESS THAT'S EITHER EAST  OR NOT DEPEND  >> ON THE NORTH SIDE OF 75  WITHIN ACTIVITY CENTER. WE ARE  NOT AWARE OF ANY AS I  MENTIONED ONE 1, 2, FAMILIES  OWNING DOESN'T EXIST ON THE  NORTH SIDE.  >> 5 ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF I 75  SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD  OF 10 TO 15, I BELIEVE. OUR  EXISTING AND WE ARE AWARE OF A  HANDFUL OF PERMITS THAT HAVE  AND PUT ON HOLD  SINCE I'M ON THE SOUTH SIDE ON  THE SOUTH SIDE SINCE THE  DISCOVERY OF  >> AND CONSISTENCY BETWEEN THE  LAND USE AND THE SOUNDING AND  THE ERRORS AND REVEALING STAFF  WERE I GOT  >> IF WE WERE TO CARVE OUT A  LAW ALLOW THAT.  >> RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT TO  PROCEED ON THE SOUTH SIDE. DO  WE HAVE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO  EXPAND THE ACTIVITY CENTER. ON  THE NORTH SIDE OR THE SOUTH  SIDE IN A WAY THAT WOULDN'T  IMPACT ANY OTHER RESIDENTIAL  ACTIVITY.  >> WE WE ARE ALREADY PLANNING  FOR AN EXPANSION OF ACTIVITY  CENTER UNDER THE COMPREHENSIVE  PLAN AMENDMENT AND THE AS WELL  AS ADDING ACTIVITY CENTER TED.  SO AS FAR AS A PERCENTAGE LOSS  OF NON-RESIDENTIAL WE HAVE NOT  WON NUMBERS.  >> AND WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AT  THE BOTTOM LINE SUPPORTING US  AND THAT 17% 18%. DO WE SLIP  DOWN TO 16 BY REMOVING YOU  KNOW IF THE COMMISSION GIVES  US SOME DIRECTION TO PROCEED  WHEN WE BRING THIS BACK. WE'LL  HAVE THOSE PERCENTAGES AND THE  COMPARISON HOLIDAY EXISTS AS  PROPOSED TODAY AND AND HOW THE  FIGURES THE PERCENTAGES WOULD  BE IMPACTED BY LEAVING THIS  SOUTHSIDE TO SINGLE FAMILY.  >> RECOMMENDATION 2 IS JUST  THE DOW WOULD.  >> AREA MUCH RESIDENTIAL  ACTIVITY EXIST EITHER BUILT  HOMES ARE HOMES AND PROGRESS.  SOUTH OF 75 SIGNED BILL WOULD.  >> IF WE CAN HAVE TO SCREAM  PUT UP PLACE. YEAH, I WOULD  LIKE TO SEE THOSE OPTIONS  AGAIN I DID NOT PRINT  PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. JUST  TO CLARIFY THE STARS, YOU KNOW  WHAT I READING THAT RIGHT. ON  YOUR SCREEN.  >> AND AND THIS AREA THERE'S  ABOUT 400 LOTS. THERE'S ONE  HOME THAT WAS BUILT IN 2002.  UP TO 1006.  >> THIS IS THE DEAL WOULD  DRIVE AREA AND YOU CAN SEE  THERE ARE A NUMBER OF  >> PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THE  NEIGHBORHOOD OF TIME. 2. 15  IT. NEXT THERE'S MORE.  THIS AREA. THERE MAY BE ONE  HOME. THIS AREA. AS YOU ARE  THERE ARE PROBABLY 6 HOMES IN  THIS AREA.  >> THIS AREA, THE TURKEY LIKE  THAT EVERYBODY REFERS TO WE  ACTUALLY REMOVED FROM THE  PROPOSED ACTIVITY CENTER 6  EXPANSION BROWN BOUNDARY THE  CAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF HOMES  THAT WERE EXISTING THERE. AND  AS FAR AS PERMITS THAT HAVE  AND APPLIED FOR AND STOPPED IN  THE PROCESS. ALAINA BELIEVED  IT WAS TOO.  >> SO A HANDFUL OR LESS.  >> AND LOOKING AT BOUNDARIES  IF WE LOOK AT THE SOUTHERNMOST  SECTION OF THE BOUNDARY.  >> THERE.  >> OPPORTUNITY AND WHAT WOULD  THE IMPACT BE. OF EXPANDING  THE BOUNDARY TO RAINTREE. AND  ALSO THAT OTHER. IT'S NOT A  TURKEY LEG, IT'S I DON'T KNOW  WHAT IT FROM FROM THAT LITTLE  NEIGHBORHOOD RIGHT, ESPECIALLY  IF.  >> SO WE WE ARE BRINGING  ACTIVITY CENTER. ACTIVITY  CENTER TO THE BOUNDARY OF  ACTIVITY CENTER 6.  >> THAT'S BEEN WHILE SOMETIMES  LOOKED AT THAT IF YOU CAN READ  DO NOT APPRECIATE IT.  ♪ ♪ >> IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME FOR  US TO BE ABLE TO POPULATE AT  FOR YOU.  >> IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO DO SO I  CAN I CAN UP THE PROPOSED  ACTIVITY CENTER MAP BUT IT  WILL TAKE A FEW MINUTES.  >> YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON THE  OVERHEAD. PRINTED OUT. JUST  NEEDED FOR DISCUSSIONS. THAT'S  THAT'S THE ONE WE LAST TALKED  DOESN'T SHOW ANY OTHER CHANGES  THAT MAY HAVE BEEN LAST  SESSION.  >> ACTIVITY IS CENTERED  ACTIVITY CENTER 10:00AM  >> DOES COME UP TO THE  EXISTING BOUNDARY OF ACTIVITY  CENTER SEX. AND I CAN SHOW YOU  ON HERE. ACTIVITY CENTER 10  COMES UP TO THE EXISTING  BOUNDARY OF ACTIVITY CENTER  SEX.  >> IT COMES ALONG.  >> ITS PRICE BOULEVARD. IT'S  COMING FROM SO LONG IS PRICE  BOULEVARD. TO NORTH YORKS  AREN'T SHY OR STREET AND THEN  DOWN TO TELLS ARE UP. THERE GO  OKAY SO ACTIVITY CENTER 6  POUNDER HEAR HIM. THE PROPOSED  TAX TO CENTERED 10 COMES UP TO  THE AC 6 FOUNDRY AS IT EXISTS  TODAY LIPS AROUND ALONG PRICE.  AND COMES UP TO YORK SHIRE  BEFORE RETURNING DOWN TO SO WE  HAVE CAPTURED A SIGNIFICANT  AMOUNT OF ACREAGE IN THE  PROPOSED ACTIVITIES YOUR TIME.  AND AGAIN THE PERCENTAGES AND  WANT.  >> PERCENT CHANGE WE BE SEEING  UNFORTUNATELY I DO HAVE  PREPARED FOR YOU TO DIE. BUT  IF YOU WERE TO GIVE US  DIRECTION ONE WEEK FROM HEAT  IN ON ACT WE CAN SHOW YOU THE  DIFFERENCE AS THAT RESULT FROM  REMOVING SOME OF THAT AREA.  COMMERCIAL.  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT MS. I  WON'T BE REPETITIVE. I DO  CONCUR VICE MAYOR STOKES'S  COMMENTS BUT. I FEEL THE NEED  TO REITERATE IF THE CITY DOES  NOT EXPAND ITS COMMERCIAL  FOOTPRINT. WE FACE AND I WAS  ANYTHING THAT WAS 1520 YEARS  FROM NOW. IT'S MY IT'S WE ARE  FACING AN ABILITY TO BALANCE  OUR BUDGET AND TAKE CARE OF  THE SAFETY AND INFRASTRUCTURE  NEEDS THIS CITY. UNDER OUR  CURRENT SITUATION AND AND  THERE ARE MANY FACETS TO IT. I  I JUST FEEL COMPELLED TO SAY  PUBLICLY THE REZONING OF THE  CITY ALL WE ALL FACE AND NOT  15 YEARS FROM NOW BUT MUCH  MORE IMMEDIATE. NEED TO  DRAMATICALLY INCREASE IMPACT  FEES THAT NO ONE UP HERE WANTS  TO DO. AND OR AND PROBABLY  SERIOUSLY CUT. SERVICES SAFETY  SERVICES INFRASTRUCTURE  REPAIRS. THIS CITY WILL NOT BE  A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE. IF  WE DON'T ADDRESS I SHORTFALLS  AND AGAIN IT'S MULTIFACETED  ZONING. ADDRESS IS JUST ONE  PIECE. THE POSSIBLE. AND IT'S  SO ESSENTIAL I MEAN WE REALLY  NEED TO BALANCE. THE NEEDS OF  OUR RESIDENTS WITH OUR NEED TO  BE ABLE TO GENERATE SUFFICIENT  REVENUE TO CONTINUE TO BE A  SAFE COMMUNITY. AND TO BE ABLE  TO MAINTAIN OUR  INFRASTRUCTURE. WE ALL SAW  WHAT HAPPENED AFTER IAN. AND  WE HAVE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE  AND AND WE'VE BEGUN TO ADDRESS  SOME OF IT. IT'S EXPENSIVE TO  DO THAT. THE CITY IS DOING  EVERYTHING IT CAN TO GET  GRANTS AND STATE MONEY IN  FEDERAL MONEY WE'RE NOT  LEAVING THAT STONE UNTURNED.  WE NEED TO FACE FACTS AND AND  WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE  SOME DECISIONS THAT ARE  PAINFUL FOR ALL OF US PERHAPS  SOME MORE THAN OTHERS. IF  YOU'RE LIVING ON A MAJOR  ARTERIAL ROAD. THAT'S WHERE  THE REID ZONING IS FOCUSED. IF  YOU STEP BACK AND LOOK AT IT  THAT'S WHERE HIGHER DENSITY  DEVELOPMENT ALONGS. SO. I ALSO  UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY MADE  SOME VERY SERIOUS MISTAKES IN  THE PAST AND PEOPLE HAVE  COMMITTED HAVE BUILT HOMES OR  ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BUILDING  HOMES. WE NEED TO CORRECT THAT  AND AND AGAIN BOTH OF MY  COMMISSIONERS. ON SIDE OF ME  HAVE ALREADY COMMENTED STAFF  AND I WANT TO ADD TO THAT  YOU'VE COME UP WITH SOME  REASONABLE BALANCED WAYS OF OF  HANDLING THAT. SO I I I CAN'T  BRING THE 3 IF YOU COULD BRING  THE 3 DIRECTIONS UP. I HAVE A  PRANK YOU IPAD HERE NOT ABLE  TO PULL IT OUT. SO I OPTION 2  IS SORT OF A PAR OUT IS THAT  THE INTENTION WITH THAT THAT  ANYONE HAS PULLED A PERMIT AND  HAD A PERMIT APPROVED CAN  PROCEED. THE WHOLE AREA WOULD  PROCEED WITH RESIDENTIAL  DEVELOPMENT, WHAT'S THE  INTENTION THAT BE INTENTIONAL  ABOUT US TO ALLOW ANY PROPERTY  AND THE DOWNWARD CIRCLE AREA.  I WANT BUY CERTAIN. OFF TO  CONTRACT THE FORMAL COUNT ON  PEOPLE RATHER THAN IDENTIFYING  ONLY THAT ARE ON THE AMENDMENT  PROCESS. WE WE CANNOT BE SURE  HOW MANY PEOPLE MAY BE IN THE  PROCESS OF HAVING THEIR PLAN  STRONG WHO MAY HAVE HAD THEIR  PROPERTY SURVEYED WHO MAY  CLEARING OR PERMITTING WHICH  IS WHY WE DIDN'T WANT FOCUS  SIMPLY ON YOU WANT BUILDING  PERMIT PROCESS.  >> SO I'M I'M THINKING. MY  PREFERENCE WOULD BE IF WE CAN  IDENTIFY THOSE WHO ARE IN  PROCESS, I'M MORE INCLINED TO  SAY. ANYONE WHO HAS HOLD THE  PERMIT. KEMP RACINE.  COMFORTABLE CARVING UP THIS  ONE YOU IT'S THERE ARE  RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES OUTSIDE  OF AREA ONCE OUTSIDE OF 75.  AND I DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S  UNFAIR TO TO THOSE FOLKS TO BE  TREATED DIFFERENTLY SO I THINK  WE NEED TO COME UP WITH  SOMETHING. THAT IS FAIR  EVERYBODY. WAS LIVING IN THIS  AREA. HOWEVER I JUST DON'T  THINK THE CITY CAN AFFORD TO  GIVE UP THAT ENTIRE AREA.  >> SO.  >> THINK WE NEED TO DO SOME  DUE DILIGENCE AND MAYBE IT'S  REACHING OUT JUST TO THE FOLKS  IN THIS AREA IDENTIFYING  ANYONE WHO IS PROCEEDING EVEN  IF THEY HAVEN'T PULLED THE  PERMIT. CAN TELL YOU HAVE  SOMETHING TO SAY DIRECTOR  RIGHT WE PULL OUT OF COULD YOU  PULL THE MAP SHEEN YOU WANT  MINT AERIAL KNOW THE THE AREA  ON SORRY. SO.  >> WE HAVE ONE. IN THIS AREA.  >> IS ON HOLD. IT'S ON HOLD  THAT WE NOT TODAY. IT'S ON  HOLD YOU HEARD FROM HIM TODAY.  SO IF IF YOU THEY'LL WOULD  CIRCLE. YOU WILL NOT ADDRESS  ONE OF THE PEOPLE. YOU HEARD  FROM TODAY. I WILL SAY THAT  ONLY THE ONLY AREAS SOUTH OF  75 WHERE WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED  ANY INQUIRIES ARE THESE 2  AREAS HERE.  >> ONE TO RIDE ALONG. RIGHT.  WHILE I I AGREE THAT THIS IS A  LARGE AREA TO GIVE A IT'S A  BIT WALKED IN WITH CANALS.  SAME FOR THIS YOU HAVE DO  WOULD HAS THE YARDAGE HERE.  YOU HAVE TO SAY THAT THE  BARCELONA AREA. BUT THIS AREA  OR MUCH WITH YOUR CHART. WHILE  IT. IT'S IN THE SAME THE  PREVIOUS REASON FOR ME ONE  ZONING. IT'S A LONG.  >> YORKSHIRE IT'S AREA I.  >> CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE HAVING  A HOME ON.  >> THE EXIT RAMP 75 AND  YORKSHIRE AT SOME POINT IN THE  FUTURE. THOSE 2 POCKETS I  THINK WOULD MAKE SENSE TO. WE  TAKE TO BE ZONED ACTIVITY  CENTER BECAUSE THEY WILL GET A  LOT OF TRAFFIC. BUT THE. THESE  OTHER AREAS.  >> WOW THERE'S ONLY ONE HOME  HERE.  >> THERE IS SOMEBODY IN A  SITUATION THAT THEY DID  INVEST. BASED ON WHAT THE  ZONING WAS. THIS ENTIRE AREA  WAS DONE A DISSERVICE 20  ALMOST 20 YEARS AGO WHEN IT  WAS NOT RESIGNED. THERE'S JUST  NO  OTHER WAY. SAYING.  >> BUT THESE AREAS ALONG HERE  AND LIKELY BECAUSE THEY ARE A  AND MOST LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW  THAT THERE WILL BE AN  INTERSECTION AT THIS LOCATION  AND ALSO BRAINTREE MA RAINEY  STREET AS WELL AND RIGHT THAT  IS OUTSIDE OF THIS THIS  BOUNDARY INSIDE INTENTION IS  INSIDE 10 SO WE PLAN FOR THAT.  I'M I SUGGESTED FORTH.  COMPROMISE IS TOO. PUT THIS  AREA RIGHT AROUND RIGHT ALONG  WORKSHOP AS THE ACTIVITY  CENTER  >> LATER  ♪ >> ALTERNATIVELY  ♪ WE COULD. LEAVE THE ACTIVITY  OR PLACE THE ACTIVITY CENTER 6  ALLOW FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES  AS A PERMISSIBLE USES NOT AREA  THE AS AS THE AREA GROWS AND  NONRESIDENTIAL USES WHEN THE  INTERCHANGE THERE MIGHT BE  OPPORTUNITIES FOR  REDEVELOPMENT THAT AREA AND  IT'S MUCH FOR THE DEVELOPER  COULD COME IN AND PURCHASED A  LARGE NUMBER OF PLOTS. 5  PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR HOMES THAT  NOW AND REDEVELOP AS  NON-RESIDENTIAL SO YOU KNOW WE  DO HAVE SEVERAL OPTIONS EITHER  REVERT BACK TO SINGLE FAMILY  ZONING. LEAVE THE ACTIVITY  CENTERS ON PROPOSED BUT ALLOW  SINGLE-FAMILY ONLY AND THAT  WAS.  >> THE 2 AREAS NOT ALONG YORK  SHARE.  >> THE OUT SO THAT THE AREAS  START AREA. AND 2. THE SOUTH  OF IT.  >> AND THEN TO THE NORTH AND  WHAT THAT WOULD RESPONSE  DESCRIBE WHAT THAT WOULD DO IS  ALLOW POTENTIAL FOR  REDEVELOPMENT AT SOME POINT IN  THE FUTURE WITHOUT HAVING TO  REZONE. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS  TO BUILD THEIR SINGLE-FAMILY  HOME MAIL. 20 YEARS FROM NOW.  A DEVELOPER COMES IN AND WANTS  TO BUY THE ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD  WHICH HAS HAPPENED PLACES.  THEY THEY WOULD HAVE THE  OPTION TO SELL FOR THAT.  >> ONE MORE I'M ASSUMING, AND  THAT'S ALWAYS THAT THE ZONING  ALL ALONG YORKSHIRE WELL LET  ME ASK QUESTION AS WE GET OUT  OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER  DESIGNATION AND YOU GO DOWN IN  YORKSHIRE YACHT YORK SHIRE  WHAT'S THE ZONING ON EITHER  SIDE CHILD UNDER THE NEW IT  WOULD BE A C 10. IT WOULD  ONCE. YES.  >> ONE ON ONE ON BAY ON THE  SOUTH SIDE.  >> OKAY THE EAST SIDE OF  YORKSHIRE WOULD BE 10. YOU  WANT THE MAP SINGLE FAMILY IS  ON THE WEST SIDE OF YORKSHIRE.  >> SO YEAH SEEING SINGLE FOR  EVERYBODY. SINGLE-FAMILY ON  THE.  >> WEST SIDE OF YOUR THE MAP  YOU'RE LOOKING AT SO EVERYBODY  CAN SEE IT PLEASE MA'AM I  CAN'T DO THAT UP THAT'S RIGHT.  >> BUT  >> BUT EVERYTHING SEE THIS  EVERYTHING ON THE THERE WE GO  WE GO.  >> TODAY GOT TO THANK YOU SO  WHERE THIS BROWN LINE MEETS  THE YELLOW. THAT IS YOUR  CHART, OKAY THE YORKSHIRE  MAKES THAT BOUNDARY AND ON THE  WEST SIDE WOULD BE SINGLE  FAMILY AND ON THE EAST SIDE  WOULD BE TO THE CENTER 10  PRIMARILY THAT'S. DUE A LOT OF  THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S TAKING  PLACE WEST OF AND PROVIDING  THAT BUFFER. ALONG.  >> I WOULD OUTSIDE THE SCOPE  OF THIS CONVERSATION, IT IS  SLIGHT YORKSHIRE IS GOING TO  BE A MAJOR. STAR AFFAIR WITH A  LOT OF COMMERCIAL TRAFFIC  RIGHT AND THAT THAT DONE TO  BITE THE BULLET AND LOOK AT  THE SIDE OF YORKSHIRE BUT IN  ITS BEYOND THAT RIGHT SCOTT  AND WE HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE  SOMEWHERE.  >> SO WE LOOK AT THE  DEVELOPMENT THAT'S ALREADY IN  THE AREA LOOKING TRANSITION UL  USES THAT PROVIDE SORT OF A  STEP-DOWN BUFFER. BETWEEN  CERTAIN USES. SO THAT THOSE  ARE KIND OF THE DRIVING  FACTORS ON THAT. I'M INCLINED  AT THIS POINT TO SUPPORT. THE  SECOND OPTION. HOWEVER I DO  HAVE A CONCERN WE DON'T HAVE  THE ANALYSIS YET OF YOU KNOW  WHAT DO WE LOSE IN TERMS OF  COMMERCIAL FOOTPRINT GIVING  THAT WHAT DO WE GAIN AND OTHER  PLACES SO. BASED ON TODAY'S  INFORMATION I WOULD SUPPORT  OPTION TOO. BUT I'LL HAVE A  CONCERN ABOUT. WHERE WE STAND  IN TERMS OF OUR COMMERCIAL  FOOTPRINT.  >> I OKAY THANK MISSION MUCH  ARE YOU THERE. A NEW  COMMISSIONER. I AM A UNION.  YOU'VE GOT TO PUT THERE YOU  GO. APPARENTLY IT'S NOT  WORKING UNLESS YOU CAN SEE ME  BRIGHT AND THERE. CAN YOU HEAR  ME NOW OKAY A LOT YEAH.  >> THIS IS SO AGGRAVATING AND  I APOLOGIZE, BUT I THINK  YOU'VE GOT TO WAIT FOR THE  SCREEN TO COME UP BEFORE YOU  CAN HEAR ME MY EVERYTHING'S ON  HERE SO.  ♪ ♪ WE'LL GET THROUGH IT. I JUST  HEARD ALL THE DISCUSSIONS AND  STUFF AND THIS IS ONE  DISCUSSION FROM THE VERY  BEGINNING THAT I DID NOT WANT  TO HAVE TO HAVE IS PEOPLE  WORKING THEIR WHOLE LIVES TO  COME DOWN HERE AND HAVE THEIR  DREAM HOME BELT FOR SAINT OUT  THIS BEEN REZONED WE'RE TAKING  THAT DREAM AWAY FROM YOU. SO I  AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL AND HER  STATEMENTS AS SHE STATED  EARLIER AND I'VE MET WITH SOME  OF THESE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE  SAYING THAT THEIR PERMITS ARE  ON HOLD BECAUSE OF THIS  BECAUSE OF THAT. I THANK STAFF  VERY MUCH FOR GOING IN AND CNN  THAT WE HAVE MADE WE'RE WELL  INTO FIX THE AREA. AND MOVE  FORWARD MY WHAT I WAS THINKING  OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD  BEFORE YOU CAME UP WITH ALL OF  THE SOLUTIONS THAT YOU CAME UP  WITH WHICH ARE GREAT WAS TO  ALLOW THE BUILDING TO  COMPLETELY GO ON WITH THE.  WITH THE HOMES BECAUSE OF THE  FACT IS IS HEY WE DON'T KNOW  IF THEY'RE READY TO GO BUILD  NOW IF THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS  NOW IF YOU LET SOMEBODY BILL  DOWN WHY YOU'RE GOING TO LET  SOMEBODY 3 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN  THEY RETIRE. IT IS JUST A  HEAVY HEAVY DILEMMA ON WHAT  WE'RE TRYING TO DO OUT IN THAT  AREA. YOU KNOW PEOPLE HAVE  COME AND SAID I BUILT MY  PERMITS BEEN HELD UP BECAUSE  OF THIS REZONING. I FEEL FOR  THEM I REALLY DO. I WOULD HAVE  OPTED FOR OPTION 3 UNTIL I HOW  EVERYTHING WAS MAPPED OUT IN I  AGREE THAT THE YORKSHIRE AREA  OF THE SOUTH END SHOULD GO  WITH THE NORTH AND TO BE  COMMERCIAL. SO I WOULD CUT OUT  THOSE 3 LITTLE AREAS, YOU KNOW  THE ONE TO THE LEFT TO START  AREA AND THE ONE TO THE RIGHT  OF IT AND THEN GO FROM THERE  COMMERCIALLY. THERE THEY KNOW  WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE  BUILDING INTO THEY KNOW WHAT  TYPE OF ATMOSPHERE IS GOING TO  BE OUT THERE WHAT TYPE THE  TRAFFIC'S GOING TO BE THERE.  BUT IT NOT BE FOR 20 YEARS. SO  WE MAY BE JUMPING THE GUN ON  PREMONITIONS ON WHAT'S  ACTUALLY GOING TO GO OUT  THERE. THAT'S WHY I WOULD HAVE  INCLUDED SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING  ON THE OTHER SIDE AS WELL. BUT  IT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD AND  AND IT WOULD BE A SHORT YOU  KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE  NORTHBOUND OKAY IF YOU'RE  READY TO BUILD IN THE NEXT 3  YEARS, YOU KNOW YOUR BELT AND  THEN TO THAT YOUR TIME LIMIT  TIMES OVER IN 3 YEARS AND IT'S  ALL FULL-BLOWN AND THAT'S ONE  AND MS. 2 OR DURING YOUR  WHATEVER YOU GOT GOING ON OUT  THERE. THAT'S MY MY THEORIES I  THANK STAFF AND I I GUESS I  WOULD BE GOING WITH OPTION 2  ISH.  >> IT'S JUST AVOID THAT SOUNDS  VERY DEFINITE THEIR  COMMISSIONER YET IT SEEMS SOME  SORRY  >> IF ONE HUGE MAYBE.  >> HOW ABOUT THAT.  >> BUT I'M GLAD WE HAD THIS  CONVERSATION AND I'M GLAD THAT  STAFF TO SEE FROM FROM THE  HEART OF THE CITIZENS BECAUSE  LIKE I SAID I DON'T WANT TO BE  THE ONE SAYING NO WHEN THEY  WERE 20 YEARS FOR THEIR DREAM.  IT'S NOT COMING ON MY PLATE.  >> I JUST WANT COMMENT IF I  MAY MADAM TO COMMISSIONER MC  DOWELL I WANT TO SAY AND THAT  MAY I REAL QUICK ARE JUST I  SEE A REAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN  SOMEONE WHO HAS CALLED A  PERMIT AND HAS INCURRED  SERIOUS INVESTMENT AND IS  ALONG THAT BUILDING HALF AND  SOMEONE WHO HASN'T TAKEN THAT  STEP AND I THINK WE CAN COME  UP WITH SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE  MAY BE FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE  SURVEYED, BUT HAVEN'T YET PULL  THEIR PERMIT. PEOPLE CAN SELL  A LOT A LOT MORE IN THIS AREA  PERHAPS. I JUST SEE I'M A BIG  DIFFERENCE THERE. THANK JUST  WANTED TO GO AHEAD.  >> SO I THANK HIM OUT OF  THERE. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU  KNOW I RAN THE OR YOU GET IF  WE REMOVE.  >> SO WHAT'S OUR CALL AREA.  THE AREA TO THE SOUTH AND THE  AREA TO THE NORTH OF YORK SHY  OR LEFT THE AREA THAT ALAINA  WRONG.  >> WE GET THE YORKSHIRE RUNS  NORTH AND SOUTH. SO WHEN YOU  SAY NORTH OF YOUR CHAIR,  YOU'RE NOT HELPING SO I'M  STILL I'M STILL WORKING MY  HEAD AROUND I 75 RUNNING EAST  AND WEST OF THE CITY GETS ITS  NAME FROM SET.  >> SO. CAN GET THE SCREEN OUT.  >> THERE WE GO THE OTHER THE  POWER  >> SO IF YOU'RE A MATH TO DO  WHAT CIRCLE AREA. AND  NEIGHBORHOOD ADJACENT. AND  THEN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.  >> YOU WOULD FOR NON  RESIDENTIAL PERCENTAGES AND  ACTIVITY CENTER. FOR  NON-RESIDENTIAL PERCENTAGES  ACROSS THE BOARD. THROUGHOUT  THE YOU WOULD BE GOING FROM  16.9 1% TO 16.3 8% AND THOSE  NUMBERS AGAIN PLEASE.  >> UNDER THE DRAFT. IT WHAT  YOU WOULD BE GOING FROM 16.9  1% NON-RESIDENTIAL TO 16.3 8%.  IF YOU WERE TO REMOVE OR IF  YOU WERE TO ALLOW  SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND  THOSE PARTICULAR  NEIGHBORHOODS, WE POINT TO  THAT.  >> I JUST WANTED TO.  >> CONFIRM THAT. ALL OF THE  PERMITS EXCEPT THAT ONE.  >> ARE IN THE DALEWOOD AREA  THAT'S WHAT IS THAT CORRECT  MISS BARNES THEN THERE'S ONLY  ONE IN THE OUTLYING.  >> THAT WE ARE AWARE OF CHRIST  AND THAT THOSE COULD BE MORE  WE COULD SAY LET'S GO FORWARD  WITH THOSE. ESSENTIALLY  PULLING THOSE OUT GIVING THEM  LIKE A SPECIAL. WE CANNOT  >> WE THE COMMISSION WANTED TO  GIVE US DIRECTION TO END PORK  ALRIGHT, ONE OF THESE PROPOSED  SOLUTIONS AND THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT  THAT'S COMING BEFORE YOU. WE  CANNOT APPROVE A COMMENT. THAT  PROPOSES A USE THAT IS  INCONSISTENT WITH THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IT IS  AGAINST THE FLORIDA. STITES  IT'S GOT A LAW SO WE NEED TO  GET A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN  AMENDMENT PROCESS. AS SOON AS  HUMANLY POSSIBLE WHICH WE WE  HAVE THE DRAFT FOR THE ULDC  REWRITE ASSOCIATED CHANGES.  >> ESSENTIALLY READY TO COME  BEFORE YOU WERE HOPING FOR  WE'RE AWAITING THE WORD FROM  OUR OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL THAT  THEY'VE COMPLETED THEIR  REVIEW. SO WE CAN INCORPORATE  WHATEVER  CHANGES YOU DIRECT US TO  REGARDING THIS AREA, BRING  THAT TO THE COMMISSION  TRANSMIT IT TO THE STATE MAY  TAKE 3 MONTHS IN TOTAL. US TO  COMPLETE THAT COMPREHENSIVE  PLAN AMENDMENT WE JUST SIMPLY  HAVE NO MECHANISM TO RELEASE  THAT THAT IS IN CONFLICT WITH  STATE LAW.  >> OKAY SO THAT WOULD THAT'S  WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE  OF THE OPTIONS IS THE ENTIRE  DALEWOOD CIRCLE AREA. WE  TALKED TODAY ABOUT YOU DID  THAT DAY AT THE AND ARE IN THE  PROCESS THEY WOULD BE.  >> PERMITTED TO GO FORWARD  WITHOUT THE COMP PLAN  AMENDMENT OR NO MA'AM THEY ARE  ON HOLD FOR HUMBLE AND SO WE  MAKE THIS DECISION OR AT WHAT  IT YEAH I TELL COMP PLAN GETS  AND WE TO NOT ALL OUT ONE  HOUSE FROM THAT AIR. WHAT  MAJOR SAYING IT'S ONE THING.  >> FOR MISTAKES BEEN MADE IN  THE PAST WHEN SOMEONE WHO WAS  SIGNING THAT PERMIT, DIDN'T  KNOW WHERE I WAS SUPPOSED TO  BE LOOKING FOR THAT KNOWINGLY  ISSUE A PERMIT IN VIOLATION  AND THERE'S PLENTY NOW THAT  SAYS WE WOULD BE THAT'S A  DIFFERENT MATTER THAT'S THAT'S  KNOWINGLY RIGHTEOUSLY.  >> VIOLATED STATE LAW I GUESS  NEXT QUESTION IS THEN WITH  THESE PEOPLE HAVE TO WAIT  UNTIL I WILL STILL BE BUT I  THOUGHT OKAY AND THIS AREA THE  WAY ITS OWN AS WE SAID 4 OR  HIGHER DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. I  GUESS NOW THEY KNOW THAT  THEY'RE THEY'RE AWARE THAT  THAT COULD TAKE PLACE THERE.  BUT WE DO MAKE THAT COMP PLAN  AMENDMENT FOR THAT ENTIRE AREA  YOU'RE GOING TO STILL BE  GETTING PEOPLE. SUBMITTING  APPLICATIONS THAT THEY CAN  BILL HOUSE AND THAT LITTLE  SECTION CORRECT. HOW WOULD  THEY BE AWARE THAT THEY ARE  LIVING IN AN AREA NOW THAT IS  GOING EXPERIENCE HIGH-DENSITY  DEVELOPMENT, I KNOW  COMMISSIONER EMERICH SAID THEY  KNOW NOW WILL THAT'S CURRENTLY  NOT THE CASE THAT THESE PEOPLE  DIDN'T REALLY KNOW THAT THIS  AREA  >> I'M SO SO WITH WITH THE  ULDC REWRITE COMP PLAN  AMENDMENTS THAT WILL BE COMING  BEFORE YOU. THE ZONING HERE  WOULD BE FOR ACTIVITY SUMMER  SEX. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.  >> REFERENCES THE FUTURE  INTERCHANGE THE COLLECTOR  DISTRIBUTOR INTERCHANGE AT  YOUR CHYRON RAINTREE SO THE  COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. DOCUMENT  WILL REFLECT THE UNTAPPED FOR  HIGH DENSITY IN THIS AREA AS  WELL AS THAT FUTURE  INTERCHANGE IT'S THE ZONING.  IT'S IF THE ZONING GOES  FORWARD AS AN ACTIVITY CENTER  SAYS THAT ALLOW SINGLE-FAMILY  ONLY IN THESE AREAS AND THAT  IT WILL BE CLEAR THAT THERE  ARE HIGHER AND 10 CITY USES  AND HIGHER DENSITY AND  INTENSITY DEVELOPMENTS THAT  CAN OCCUR AND ACTIVITY CENTER  SEX AND THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE  AND THE ULDC FOR THOSE WHO  HAVE PROPERTY THERE AND ARE  CONSIDERING A SINGLE FAMILY  HOME,  >> SO THAT WOULD THAT WOULD  SHOW UP WHEN THEY GO AND GO ON  THAT THE TAX COLLECTOR'S SITE  BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I HEAR  THAT WHEN THEY WENT TO LOOK UP  AND SAID OUR ONE OR 2 AND THEY  HAD NO IDEA BUT THAT IT SAYING  THAT WOULD BE VERY DEFINITELY  STATED ON THAT THIS IS.  >> ZONE FOR AND WHEN YOU THINK  ABOUT THAT'S WHY WE REALLY  HAVEN'T HAD THIS PROBLEM NORTH  OF 75 BECAUSE THAT LAND WAS  ZONED NOT IN ADDITION TO THE  COMP PLAN BEING ACTIVITIES OR  6. LAND WAS ZONED PLANNED  COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT, SORRY.  IT WAS ON SOME COMMERCIAL IT  SHOULD HAVE BEEN CD AND THAT  TIME. BECAUSE THE COMP PLAN  SAYS THAT ALL OF THE ACTIVITY  CENTER SHOULD BE ZONED PCD  INSTEAD IT WAS ZONED  COMMERCIAL AND SOME HIGHER  RESIDENTIAL USES AND  INDUSTRIAL, BUT. BUT BECAUSE  THAT AT PROPERTY APPRAISER'S  OFFICE SHOWS THOSE 70  DISTRICTS OTHER THAN.  RESIDENTIAL WE HAVEN'T HAD  THAT ISSUE. IT'S THE CONFLICT  SOUTH OF 75 THAT SETS US UP  FOR THE SITUATION.  >> OKAY SO THAT.  >> WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BUT  ALSO THAT OTHER AREA THAT WILL  BLOCK THIS 1, 1, HOUSE AND THE  >> THAT BUT YES, SO IF WE WERE  TO INCLUDE THAT AND OKAY THIS  IS GOING TO CONSIDERED FOR. A  SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THAT  MEANS AND SOME OF COME IN BY  UP WE HAVE A LOT AND PUT  WHATEVER THOSE PERMITTED USES  ARE. WE HAVE THAT COMP PLAN  AMENDMENT INCLUDE I DON'T  MULTI-FAMILY OR SOMETHING ELSE  CORRECT. I JUST WANT US TO PAY  AGAIN. I ROUNDS WITH THE  REZONING PROCESS THAT SOMEBODY  THAT I DON'T WANT TO APARTMENT  BUILDING NEXT BUT THIS IS WHAT  POSSIBLY HAPPEN IN THIS AREA  AND THAT'S WHAT I'M JUST  CONCERNED ABOUT THAT PEOPLE  ARE AWARE THAT WHEN THEY GO TO  BUY A UNDEVELOPED LOT AND WE  MADE THIS CHANGE. THAT IS A  POSSIBILITY.  >> CORRECT AND THEY WOULD THEY  WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL  OF BUT WASN'T A GOOD SPACE AND  DRY CONDITION.  >> BUT JUST WANT TO AVOID WHAT  WE'RE HEARING NOW IS WE DIDN'T  KNOW WE WE BUILT THIS BECAUSE  WE THOUGHT THIS WAS JUST FOR  THE DENTAL AND NOW WELL  CONSIDERING THESE REZONING  AREAS AND THAT'S WHAT I'M  HEARING AGAIN FROM PEOPLE BUT.  I TRY AVOID THAT HAPPENING  AGAIN DOWN LINE. SO I THINK  THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'M INCLINED  TO GO WITH. OPTION 2 BUT ALSO  YOU SAID I MENTIONED WE WOULD  HAVE TO INCLUDE THAT OTHER  LITTLE AREA AS WELL SO  WOULDN'T JUST BE THE DEAL  WOULD CIRCLE AREA OPTION TO  ANYMORE CORRECT.  >> WE'RE LOOKING AT DALE WOOD  WITH A STAR IS YEAH AREA TO  THE SOUTH. DALE WAS COURT AND  THEN THE BARCELONA AREA. AT  THE VERY NORTH OF IT.  >> I THAT WOULD BE THE ENTIRE  AREA.  >> NO THERE'D BE STILL YOUR  THE AREA'S ON EITHER SIDE OF  YORKSHIRE.  >> OKAY.  >> RETAINED OKAY. ALL  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, YEAH,  RESPECTFULLY STAFF ANYTHING  NORTH OF I 75 IN THE YORKSHIRE  ACTIVITY CENTER 6 IS ZONED  ACCORDING TO THE PROPERTY  APPRAISER'S A SINGLE FAMILY  RESIDENTIAL.  >> I LOOKED ON THERE AND SO  I'M JUST LETTING YOU KNOW I  JUST I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS  NOT SOME SINGLE FAMILY ARE  SOME AREAS THAT ARE.  >> BUT ACTIVITY CENTER 6. IS  NOT ZONED. AND WE CAN PULL UP  THE ZONING MAP. I'M JUST LIKE  AND HELP WITH THE PROPERTY  APPRAISER SAYS, BUT I CAN TELL  YOU WHAT OUR ZONING THIS IS  PART OF THE PROBLEM WHEN TO  WHAT MAYOR WAS SAYING. IS IF  THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S  WEBSITE IS NOT SHOWING  ACCURATE ZONING. THAT IS A  HUGE PROBLEM FOR CITY OF PORT.  BECAUSE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT  OWN VACANT PROPERTY ARE READY  TO GO AND DEVELOP THEIR  PROPERTY THEY'RE GOING TO THE  PROPERTY APPRAISERS IT SHOWS  SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL  ZONING MAP. A SHOW THAT IS  COMMERCIAL OUR ZONING MAP MAY  SHOW THAT ITS GOVERNMENT OR  WHATEVER ZONING MAP SAYS, BUT  IF THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S  WEBSITE IS SHOWING IT'S SINGLE  FAMILY RESIDENTIAL THAT'S A  HUGE CROP THAT WOULD BE A HUGE  PROBLEM I HAVE TO LOOK AT  SPECIFIC PROPERTIES TO SEE I  JUST 6 OF THEM DURING THAT  CONVERSATION JUST PICK AND  CHOOSE WHERE YOU LOOKING AT  OUR ZONING MAP TO SEE IF THE  ZONING WAS COMMERCIAL.  >> OR IN I'M LOOKING AT THE  PROPERTY APPRAISER'S WEBSITE  ANYHOW SIDE NOTE.  ♪ ♪ >> WE AS A CITY DO.  >> THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS  THAT HAPPENED BEHIND THE  SCENES PRIOR TO A PERSON THAT  WANTS TO DEVELOP PROPERTY TO  COME BEFORE THE CITY. FOR A  PERMIT. THEY SIT AROUND THEIR  KITCHEN TABLE HEY, I'M FIXING  TO RETIRE HEY NOW WE GET TO  BUILD OUR OUR DREAM HOME ON  THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY HEY  LET'S LET'S START LOOKING AT  DEVELOPERS AND BUILDERS AND  HEY LET'S START DOING WHATEVER  OUR DUE DILIGENCE IS. AND THEN  WE SPEND THOSE THOUSANDS AND  THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AT THE  KITCHEN TABLE GETTING READY TO  PUT THE PLAN IN PLACE AND  WORKING WITH THAT TO BUILDER  AND THAT BUILDER THEN COMES  BEFORE THE CITY AND SAYS HELP  YOU CAN'T BUILD. IT'S GOES  BACK TO THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY  AND YES I UNDERSTAND THAT IS  PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCE AND  I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR MY  PHILOSOPHICAL DIFFERENCE  BECAUSE I TALKED TO HUNDREDS.  CITIZENS THAT. ARE IN THIS  BOAT AND ARE PLANNING THAT'S  WHY THEY BOUGHT THE VACANT  PROPERTY. WHY THEY TO BUILD A  HOME ON. SO WE HAVE TO BE  COGNIZANT OF THAT. THE OTHER  THING USES. THERE ARE MANY  PEOPLE IN FACT THE PROPOSE NEW  ACTIVITY CENTER TENT. BUT I  HAVE ALSO MET WITH THAT ARE IN  THE PROCESS. WHETHER IT'S A  KITCHEN TABLE TYPE OF PROCESS  OR WHETHER IT IS ACTUALLY  GOING THROUGH THE STEPS TO GET  THE BUILDING PERMIT COMPLETED.  VETERAN ACTIVITY CENTER 6 TO  CENTER 10 THAT ARE PLANNING TO  BUILD THEIR HOME IN THAT AREA.  AND AND TO JUST SAY HEY WE'RE  GOING TO DO BARCELONA  HAMPSHIRE AND DALE WOOD THAT'S  FANTASTIC FOR THOSE PEOPLE.  >> EVERYBODY WHAT ABOUT  EVERYONE ELSE. I'M SORRY THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT HAS KNOWN  THAT THEY HAVE THE  SINGLE-FAMILY PRE PLATTED LOT  FOR OVER ALMOST 65 YEARS THIS  IS NOT NEW.  >> WE WANT INCREASE OUR TAX  BASE FOCUS ON THE ACTIVITY  CENTERS. THESE ARE. WE HAVE TO  FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE DOING  WITH ACTIVITY CENTER 10. AND  THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE  PERMITS PULLED R R AT THEIR  KITCHEN TABLE PLANNING FOR  THEIR FUTURE. YOU CAN'T JUST  FOCUS ON 3 AREAS BECAUSE THESE  3 AREAS. YES, THESE ARE  SPECIFIC TO THE PUBLIC  COMMENTERS THAT CAME BEFORE US  TODAY. AND MY HEART BREAKS FOR  WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.  BUT THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF  OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING  THROUGH IT IN SOME STEP ARE  SOME THINGS ALONG THE PROCESS.  I'M ADVOCATING FOR THEM THIS  IS NOT JUST MY PHILOSOPHICAL  DIFFERENCE WITH MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS. THIS IS WHAT I  HAVE BEEN HEARING FROM THE  CITIZENS THAT I MEET WITH AND  HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME AND WE  HAVE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF WHAT  THEY'RE DOING TO. AND WHAT  THEY'RE GOING THROUGH WHAT  THEIR PLANS ARE. TAKING  PROPERTY. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL AT THE TASK AT HAND  IS THAT TO CENTERED SEX  THOUGH. AND I UNDERSTAND  THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH THAT I  UNDERSTAND THIS IS ISSUE WITH  ACTIVITY CENTER 6 RIGHT THAT'S  WHAT WE'RE HERE I'M REMINDING  EVERYBODY WE CANNOT LOSE SIGHT  OF THE SITUATION THAT WE IN  THIS IS COMPLEX AND NOT.  >> ANYWAY AS IT WITHOUT  BRINGING ALL THAT OUT INTO THE  NEXT. VICE MAYOR. YES, IT JUST  TO ROLL BACK A LITTLE JUST TRY  TO BETTER UNDERSTAND. AWAY  FROM FOLKS WHO APPLICATIONS  IT'S QUESTION THAT ARE ON  HOLD. AM I UNDERSTANDING  CORRECTLY THAT THEY ARE NOT  GOING TO BE ABLE TO MOVE  FORWARD UNTIL COMP PLAN  CHANGE TAKES PLACE THAT IS  CORRECT THERE'S NO WAY. ANYWAY  ON THIS EARTH. DONE ANYTHING  CAN BE TO EXPEDITE NOT WITHOUT  MYSELF MY STAFF, KNOWINGLY  VIOLATING FLORIDA LAW AND.  >> WE THICKLY BOUND BY OUR  LICENSE IS NOT TO DO THAT FOR  ANYBODY, ANYBODY NOTCHED A  RESIDENT OF THE CITY, ANYBODY  CAN TAKE US TO OUR RESPECTIVE  LICENSING BOARDS AND HAVE OUR  LICENSES REVOKED. THAT'S OUR  PROFESSION THAT THAT'S OUR  PROFESSIONAL PERIOD MONTHS SO  WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH THE BIG  DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT. IN  THE MID 2 THOUSANDS CITY DID  NOT FOLLOW THROUGH ON WHAT IT  SHOULD HAVE DONE. THAT'S THE  BIG DIFFERENCE WITH THIS PART  OF THE ACTIVITY CENTER 6 DID  THAT AND THAT'S THE BIG  DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACTIVITY  CENTER 6 AND THEY  SINGLE-FAMILY ZONING IN  PROPOSED ACTIVITY CENTER TENT.  THERE IS A DIFFERENCE IN  FLORIDA BUYING PROPERTY IN  SITTING ON IT. IS NOT GREAT  YOU ANY VESTED RIGHTS. THAT'S  BEEN THROUGH COURTS. IT'S BEEN  THROUGH. IT'S BEEN TO THE  SUPREME COURT THERE IS NO  BESTING IN BUYING THE  PROPERTY. AS A MATTER WHAT THE  ZONING IS THAT MEAN THAT SO  AND COUNTIES COULD NEVER PLAN  FOR THE AND COULD NEVER CHANGE  THINGS BASED ON THE NEEDS OF  THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. SO  THERE IS NO BESTING TO SIMPLY  BUYING A PROPERTY. YOU ARE YOU  HAVE NO VESTED RIGHTS. VESTING  INCLUDES PURSUING. SOME TYPE  OF DEVELOPMENT ORDER WHETHER  IT BE A PERMIT IT. YOU'VE  SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR  DEVELOPMENT IN SOME WAY. THAT  IS WHAT BESTING ITS WANT  SOMEBODY HAS SUBMITTED A  PERMIT IT. THEN THEY OBTAIN  BESTING. OR IF THEY ANY TYPE  OF DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION.  THEY HAVE AT THAT POINT  PURSUED DEVELOPMENT UNDER THE  STATE STATUTES. AND THE ONLY  OTHER QUESTION OF  >> MIGHT IT NOT BE. AND NO  OPTION HERE.  >> SINCE WITHIN THIS. SHE  BASICALLY 3 SECTION AS NATION.  SOUTH SOUTH SOUTH. GET SOUTH  OF.  >> EXCEPT FOR RIGHT ALONG  YORKSHIRE. IT'S REALISTIC I'D  BE INTERESTED AND STAFFS  PERSPECTIVE ON ACTUALLY BEING  PROACTIVE WITH THIS PARTICULAR  AREA IN TERMS REACHING OUT. TO  PROPERTY OWNERS. WE MAY NOT  HAVE HEARD FROM MAY NOT HAVE  THIS ON THEIR RADAR. WITHIN  THIS LITTLE AREA HERE SO THAT  WE GIVE THEM EVERY POSSIBLE  BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO LET  THEM KNOW IF WE'RE GOING ALLOW  RESIDENTS TO LET THEM KNOW  WHAT'S COMING I MEAN. BUT I  GUESS MAYBE I'M WRONG IF WEEK  IF WE ALLOW SINGLE FAMILY IN  THERE THAT WE DON'T REALLY  HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT RIGHT,  OKAY. THANK YOU FOR.  >> TO FINDING THE BEST THING  RIGHT RIGHT AT THIS POINT  WE'RE SIMPLY ADDRESSING. ERROR  THAT WAS MADE. 2008. AND  FIXING THAT HAIR. AS BEST WE  CAN. I MEAN WE CAN'T GO BACK  AND. PERMITS DENIED OF THE  GLASS. 15 YEARS. NOT EVERY  PERMIT THAT WAS SUBMITTED WAS  HURT. THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT  CAME IN AND TALK TO PLANNING  AND PLANNING SAID YOU CAN'T  THERE SO THEY NEVER SUBMITTED  A PERMIT. SO WE CAN'T FIX  EVERYTHING. BUT IT'S A IT'S A  REASONABLE SOLUTION TO FIXING  THIS PROBLEM GOING FORWARD TO.  TO EASE THE BURDEN ON ON THE  PEOPLE WHO HAVE STARTED THIS  PROCESS AND JUST TO FINISH UP  WITH MY COMMENTS AS.  >> IN ADDRESSING SOMEWHAT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  PERSPECTIVE ON AND AND I DO  GET IT YOU CAN'T INVALIDATE  THE FACT THAT. FOR FOLKS CHOIR  PROPERTY, WHETHER OR NOT. THEY  HAVE TAKEN ANY ACTION OR BEST  YOU KNOW AIR IN THEIR MIND  SOMEWHERE PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT  UP HERE. I. MY BELIEF AS THE  SOLE ULDC COMES BACK TO US IT  IN ITS TOTALITY TO LOOK AT  WRONG. WE CAN HAVE THE STARTED  DISCUSSIONS, I WOULD HOPE  STAFF. COULD PROVIDE US WITH.  THE REALITIES ALL WHAT HAPPENS  IF WE IF WE DON'T WE WRITE IF  IF WE DON'T MAKE THESE  CHANGES. YOU KNOW. PEOPLE I  BELIEVE REALLY NEED TO  UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MORE  THEY'RE GOING TO BE PAYING SO  THAT WONDERFUL DREAM OF  BUILDING THEIR DREAM HOUSE.  FROM COMP PLAN AND ZONING  PERSPECTIVE MAY BE ALLOWABLE  IF WE DON'T REWRITE. IT'S ULDC  THE COST LIVING HERE WILL BE  SO PROHIBITIVE THAT THEY WON'T  BE ABLE IF YOU'RE ANY WAY  WE'RE BUILT THIS HOME AND I  THINK PEOPLE GOT TO GET IT I  HEARD YOU REFERENCE THAT WHEN  YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WHAT  IMPACT TO THE NON-RESIDENTIAL.  TAX BASE MIGHT BE. WE SETTLED  AROUND WITH THIS A LITTLE AND  WE'RE STILL TALKING 1516 ISH  PERCENT. SUSTAINABILITY IN  MOST CITIES OUR SIZE AND WATER  OR 20 TO 30% NON-RESIDENTIAL  LET'S NOT FORGET.  >> THAT EVEN WITH ALL THE  DIDN'T. THIS CITY IS GOING TO  FACE SOME SERIOUS CHALLENGES,  SO IT'S IT WIN 5 1015 YEARS  COMES FROM NOW AND THE  CITIZENS THE CITY ARE SAYING.  WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LIVE HERE  ANYMORE WILL PAY HIM. 3 TIMES  WHAT THEY DID IN 2024  PROPERTIES ARE GOING TO WHAT  GOD'S NAME PEOPLE WHO ARE  RUNNING THIS CITY THINKING.  WHEN THEY DID THIS AND SO YOU  KNOW THERE'S A TRADE-OFF I  CAN'T BEAT THIS DRUM OR I GET  IT. BUT THE REALITY IS PAY ME  NOW PAY ME LATER MAYBE YOU  SHOULD JUST SCRAP STAND, YOU  KNOW IT JUST OVER COUNTRY AND  THEN WE'LL HAVE REVENUES WHICH  IS AN ABSURD IDEA. SO WE HAVE  TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS THING  WE'VE GOT TO BE HUMANE GOING  TO BE SENSITIVE GOT TO TRY TO  TWEAK IT THIS IS STILL A  LIVING DOCUMENT AND WILL BE  BUT THIS IS AN INEVITABILITY  IN ORDER TO MAKE THE CITY  SUSTAINABLE IT JUST IT'S AND I  GET THE OTHER ASPECTS OF IT,  BUT. THIS JUST JUST NO 2 WAYS  ABOUT DIRECTION. THE CITY TO  GO AND HAS IGNORED THIS FOR A  LONG TIME. THIS IS NOT AN EASY  SUBJECT FOR WOULDN'T SOLVE THE  LONG TIME AGO WE'RE ON THE  RIGHT TRACK WITH THE VOTING.  NOR MUST TIME CONVERSATION  THIS IS CERTAINLY NOT BEING  DONE ANYWHERE OUTSIDE PLENTY  WORLD'S ANYONE DOESN'T KNOW  WHAT'S GOING ON DOESN'T WANT  TO KNOW.  >> THANK YOU.  >> BUT TAMARA THINK. YOU'RE  SUBVARIANT SOME POINTS AND I  WILL SAY THAT OUR OUR SISTER  PRE PLATTED COMMUNITIES. GET  MANY YEARS AGO. WE'RE WE'RE ON  THE TAIL WE NORTH PORT SHOULD  HAVE DONE THIS. 20 YEARS AGO.  >> LESS PAINFUL SHOULDN'T WHEN  WHEN OUR OTHER SISTER CITIES.  >> IT'S THE SAME THING. BUT  ALSO SAY IT'S NOT JUST THE  FINANCIAL CLIFF THAT WE'RE  LOOKING AT. EVERY HOUSE THAT  BUILT OUT HERE IS BUILT ON  WELL EXCEPT IT. THE EPA IS  WATCHING THE CITY VERY  CLOSELY. AND AT SOME POINT  THEY'RE GOING TO SHUT US DOWN  AND SAY MORE SKEPTICS. COME IN  AND WOULD WE RATHER AND FOR  THAT. AND NO AND AND START TO  CONVERT THESE USES SO THAT WE  HAVE NON RESIDENTIAL  DEVELOPERS WHO PAY TO EXTEND  THE UTILITIES OUT TO THIS AREA  OR DO WE WAIT UNTIL THE DP  SHUT STAY ON AND WE HAVE NO  CHOICE BUT TO. THE ONLY EXTEND  IT ON THE CITY AND ALL THEY  HAVE TO TAKE TAXPAYERS THAT'S  THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SERIOUSLY  LOOKING AT IT'S NOT A MATTER  IF IT'S A MATTER OF WHEN.  >> THANK YOU MISS ALL RIGHT,  THANK YOU AND BYE SISTER  CITIES YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE  OTHER GENERAL DEVELOPMENT  CORRECT ABOUT 8 OR 9 OTHER  CITIES AND THEY HAVE THEY HAVE  DONE THIS MANY YEARS AGO. SO  PAINFUL AND IT WAS A LOT IT  WAS PAINFUL THERE'S THERE'S NO  OTHER WAY TO DO IT IF I DID  SOME POINT YOU HAVE TO MAKE  THE CHANGE AND YOU KNOW IN  ORDER TO BE 5 FISCALLY STABLE  JUST HAS TO BE DONE. SO I JUST  WANT  >> I HAVE TO HEAR FROM  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL AND AND  COMMISSIONER EMRICH AGAIN BUT  WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING  TOWARDS GIVING DIRECTION TO  STAFF WHAT SO KEEP THAT MIND.  POLICE SAY THAT'S WHAT HERE  FOR. FOR PUBLIC COMMENT ON  THIS SO DON'T LET ME FORGET  THAT SO COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  YEAH, I JUST HAVE A FOLLOW-UP  YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT BESTED  RIGHT AND THEN WHAT WAS THE  OTHER RIGHT THAT YOU MENTIONED  I DIDN'T CATCH THE TERMINOLOGY  SAID VESTED RIGHTS AND  SOMETHING ELSE.  >> WITH VESTED RIGHT. YOU HAVE  TO. WHILE 4 OR PURSUE A  DEVELOPMENT. AND THAT CAN TAKE  SEVERAL FORMS THAT CAN BE A  BUILDING PERMIT IT CAN  VARIANCE VARIANTS IT CAN BE A  SPECIAL EXCEPTION AND IT CAN  BE A DEVELOPMENT ORDER WHAT IS  THAT CALLED HIM SORRY YOU USED  A DIFFERENT TERM AND I DON'T  TIME AS OKAY SO.  >> I'M HEARING VESTED RIGHT IS  WHERE. NOBODY HAS ANY RIGHTS  TO THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE  PURCHASING. THAT VESTED RIGHT  MEANS THAT SOMEBODY HAS THE  WHITE TO DEUCE TO BUILD  SOMETHING. WHEN YOU BUY A  PIECE OF PROPERTY.  >> YOU REALLY HAVE.  >> BUT IT MEANS IS YOU IN FOR  IT YOU DON'T HAVE VESTED RIGHT  TO DO ANYTHING ON THAT  PROPERTY UNTIL YOU PURSUE  DEVELOPMENT. WITH THAT SAID. I  AM AN INVESTOR AND I INVESTED  AREA. THAT'S COMMERCIAL  PROPERTY. BUT BECAUSE I ONLY  PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AS  COMMERCIAL PROPERTY. I HAVE NO  VESTED RIGHT. IF THAT PROPERTY  CHANGES ZONING TO LET A  RESIDENTIAL SO BECAUSE THAT'S  A BIRD HARRIS NOW SO IN  FLORIDA YOU CAN'T YOU CAN  REDUCE THE USE OF A PROPERTY.  BUT WHILE CURRENT USE DUE TO  GO WITH THAT SO.  >> YOU CAN YOU CAN REZONE  RESIDENTIAL.  >> TO MIXED USE OR COMMERCIAL  BECAUSE IN LAND USE TERMS  EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S AND  BETTER USES OF THE PROPERTY OR  THEY EXPAND THE USES OF THE  PROPERTY I UNDERSTAND THAT  BUT.  >> WHEN YOU LEFT EVERYTHING  KIND OF LIKE IN LIMBO THAT  THERE'S NO VESTED RIGHTS WHEN  YOU PURCHASE THE PROPERTY. I  WANTED YOU TO EXPAND ON THAT  SO THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTOOD  REST OF THIS STORY, SO YOU  COULDN'T YOU FOR INSTANCE,  TAKE A WE HEAR A LOT OF TIMES  WELL REZONE PROPERTY TO A  PARK. CAN'T THAT BECAUSE THAT  LOW OR USE THE BAUM AND THE  MESSAGE OF THE PROPERTY JUST  WANTED YOU TO EXPAND THANK  OKAY, COMMISSIONER AVERAGE.  >> DID YOU HAVE ANY THINK THE  FINAL.  >> AND OR.  >> ANYTHING YES, MA'AM CAN YOU  SEE ME. YEAH THANK YOU. YOU  CAN SEE ME AND HEAR ME.  >> WE'RE KNOW THIS FOR ANOTHER  DISCUSSION BUT LED THE VICE  MAYOR BROUGHT UP. ABOUT TO  LOSE AND YOU KNOW OUR  COMMERCIAL STATUS THERE OF  TRYING TO GET TO 18%. I  BELIEVE THE NUMBERS EARLIER  WHAT WAS STATED ON THIS WAS WE  WOULD BE LIKE A 16.8 AND BY  CARVING OUT THESE LITTLE  POCKETS THAT ONLY DROP THIS  DOWN TO 16.3 SOMETHING. I  CORRECT ON THAT. MISTER  BARNES.  >> YES, SIR, CLOSE ENOUGH,  16.9 ONE TO 16.3 8 YEAH.  >> OKAY SO IT'S IT'S IT'S  ALMOST A HALF A PERCENTAGE IS  IS THAT I JUST WANTED TO GET  THAT OUT OF THERE. WE'RE GOING  TO GIVE UP HALF A PERCENTAGE  FOR BEING HERE MAN. FOR  HELPING THE PEOPLE THAT ARE  ALREADY TRYING TO BUILD HOMES  AND THERE'S DOESN'T EVEN TAKE  INTO CONSIDERATION BECAUSE I  DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE HAD ANY  NUMBERS GOING WITH A. THE AREA  OF TOWN. SO WHAT WHAT WHAT  WHAT CALCULATIONS WITH THAT  BRING US COMMERCIALLY WE  HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT THAT'S  ANOTHER DISCUSSI. BUT WERE  GIVEN UP A HALF A PERCENT HERE  OR. YOU KNOW IT'S TO ME. TO ME  IT'S IT'S WE YEAH WE SHOULD  HAVE DONE THIS 20 YEARS AGO,  OKAY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS  PROBLEM NOW. WE HAVE  POPULATION WE HAVE PEOPLE WE  HAVE FAMILIES AND THIS IS OUR  PROBLEM NOW. HOW ARE WE GOING  TO FACE IT, WE'VE GOT TO FACE  IT WAS GREED OR WE'RE GOING TO  FACE IT WAS HUMANITY. WE NEED  TO MAKE PEACE AND DO IT THE  RIGHT WAY. SO THAT'S ALL I  THANK YOU. THANK YOU.  >> I'M GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC  COMMENT ON WE HAVEN'T.  >> REMAINS. I DON'T TAKE THAT  >> IN THE LENGTHY DISCUSSION.  I JUST WANTED TO GO BACK AND  LET YOU KNOW I DROVE THESE 3  AREAS LAST WEEK. THERE'S 39  HOMES IN THE DEAL WOULD CIRCLE  IF IF I COULD HAVE THAT THE  ACT THERE'S 3 BUILDING PERMITS  ON HOLD THAT I KNOW OF.  THERE'S 29 HOMES IN THE  BARCELONA CIRCLE AREA THAT ARE  ALREADY ESTABLISHED AND I  HAVEN'T RESEARCHED ANY  BUILDING PERMIT IF THAT'S ON  THERE IN THE HAMPSHIRE CIRCLE,  THERE'S ONE ESTABLISHED HOME  IN A BUILDING PERMIT ON HOLD.  ON HOLD. I WANT TO LET YOU  KNOW THAT THERE IS NO SEASICK  SPURS POSE STRUCTURES THAT  WILL FIT ON THESE NEIGHBORHOOD  PROPERTIES NOW BECAUSE THESE  HOMES ESPECIALLY IN DALE WHAT  AND BARCELONA CIRCLE ARE  SCATTERED TO ALI THEY'RE NOT  LINED UP IN A ROW. THEY'RE  SCATTERED SO YOU MIGHT HAVE 2  LOTS OPEN HERE 5 WATTS OPEN  THERE. AND UNLESS THIS LAND IS  PURCHASE BY A DEVELOPER AND  YOU BULLDOZE THESE HOMES.  THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING TO DO.  THERE'S THOUSANDS OF  UNDEVELOPED ACRES IN A C 6 AND  AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT  HAS. PROPOSED ADDITIONAL AND  YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE BOTH  SIDES OF YORKSHIRE BECAUSE  YOU'RE PROPOSING THAT BIG  INTERCHANGE THERE. WE KNOW  THAT THAT ARE LIVING IN THAT  AREA, WE KNOW THAT NOW AND  WE'RE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT.  I WHEN I WAS INFORMATION NOW  THIS AREA WAS NOTED EMPLOYMENT  CENTER AND I UNDERSTAND  THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HOLES IN  NORTHWOOD OR PORT TO ALL  ACCOMMODATE ALL THESE NEW JOBS  IF WE WANT TO KEEP PEOPLE AT  BUT.  >> YOU CAN INCLUDE IF IF A  DEVELOPER COMES AND YOU CAN  INCLUDE MEDIUM DENSITY IN THE  STREET NEIGHBORHOODS THAT  WOULD ACCOMMODATE HOW I LIVE  IN COMMUNITIES WHERE THERE'S  AN APARTMENT BUILDING IN THE  BACK.  >> THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES  THAT ARE SPLIT LEVEL AND THEN  YOU HAVE TOWN YOU DO THAT AND  IT WOULD FIT WITHIN THE  CHARACTER OF THESE ESTABLISHED  NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU DON'T NEED  TO REDO COMPLETE THE  COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL WILL  NOT FIT IN THESE  NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY JUST  WON'T. SO I ASKED EVEN FOR THE  FUTURE OF R R EMPLOYEES AND  THIS CITY THAT THEY'RE GOING  TO BE ALLOWED AN OPTION NOT  ONLY DO LIVE IN AN APARTMENT  THAT TO HAVE A TOWNHOME  AVAILABLE. WE CAN DO THIS WE  CAN MAKE THIS WORK FOR  EVERYBODY WE CAN MAKE IT WHERE  YOU CAN.  >> ALLOW FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY  HOMES TO CONTINUE THE ONES  THAT WE PULL PERMITS AND SPENT  THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF  DOLLARS ON WHAT YOU'VE  EXPECTED US TO DO. LET DO IT.  IT'S OUR CHOICE IF WE LIVE  NEXT TO A CAR WASH SOMEDAY. SO  THAT'S OUR CHOICE. BUT LET'S  BE RATIONAL AS MISTRESS AND  MAID SO RIGHTLY SAID LET'S BE  HUMANE AND ALLOW THIS TO MOVE  FORWARD YOU STILL HAVE THE  AVAILABILITY OF A SPECIAL  EXCEPTION BY A DEVELOPER OR A  JUDICIAL. THANK YOU.  >> OKAY MADAM AREA LOOKING FOR  A CONSENSUS I SURE AM HAPPY TO  ROACH ONE AHEAD.  ♪ I PROPOSE THAT WE SELECT  OPTION TOO WHICH IS TO ALLOW  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ONLY ON  CERTAIN BLOCKS AND LOTS AND A  C 6 WHICH INCLUDES  ♪ THE DEAL. DALE WOULD CIRCLE  AREA. OKAY. BY SARAH START  WITH HIM.  >> YEAH,  >> I GUESS I I I AM GOOD WITH  THAT. GOOD WITH THAT. IT'S THE  RIGHT WAY TO GO.  >> I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT  WOULD INCLUDE. NOT JUST WITH  THE STARS BUT IT WOULD INCLUDE  THAT. FORTUNE TO THE RIGHT AS  WELL. AND THE UPPER JUST THOSE  2 PARTS THAT I WANT DALEWOOD  IS IS LIKE LAND WATCHES  DALEWOOD THERE'S HAMPSHIRE AND  THEN THERE'S ONLY PERSON  SLIGHTLY PUT THIS MAP THE  POWER POINT BACK UP. MAY HAVE  TO. JUST YEAH.  >> SO WHAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY  BE LOOKING FOR A CONSENSUS TO  ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU JUST  STATED WOULD BE A MODIFIED TO  OKAY SO THAT INCLUDES ALL. IT  WOULD IT WOULD ALLOW SINGLE  FAMILY ON ALL AREAS AND  ACTIVITY CENTER 6 SOUTH OF 75  EXCEPT FOR. THE 2 AREAS. ON  EITHER SIDE OF YOUR CHECK.  >> THAT WAS CERTAINLY MY  INTENTION WITH THAT  DISCUSSION. I'M ADAM AND YOU  WANT ME TO RECEIVE IT DID YOU  GET THAT KIND OF LET TRY AGAIN  AND CHECK WHAT CITY CLERK. TO  ALLOW SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES AND  ALL AREAS. AND ACTIVITY CENTER  6 SOUTH INTERSTATE 75 EXCEPT  FOR THOSE 2 AREAS ON EITHER  SIDE OF YORKSHIRE.  >> YES.  >> THAT'S CLEAR. YES, SO THAT  WOULD THE AREAS THAT YOU WOULD  BE ALLOWING A SINGLE FAMILY  HOMES BASED ON CONSENSUS WOULD  BE IN THE BARCELONA AREA. DALE  WOULD CIRCLE AREA AND THE AREA  TO THE TO THE RIGHT OR TO THE  SOUTH OF DO IT CIRCLE.  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT AND I AM  JUST LIKE THE THAT'S WHAT I  THOUGHT TO  >> I MEAN YES WITH THAT. THAT  POP MISSION WITHOUT.  >> YEAH, I NEED THE CITY CLERK  TO RESTATE IT BECAUSE I HEARD  IN THE CONSENSUS TO ALLOW  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES IN ALL  AREAS OF ACTIVITY CENTER 6  SOUTH OF I 75 EXCEPT FOR AND  IT WAS STATED DALEWOOD  HAMPSHIRE AND BAR EXCEPTED I  HURT THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING HER  TO REPEAT WHAT WAS SAID.  >> SELECTED MODIFIED OPTION TO  ALLOWING SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES  ON ALL AREAS AND ACTIVITY  CENTER SECONDS SOUTH OF I 75  EXCEPT FOR THE 2 AREAS ON  EITHER SIDE OF YOUR CHURCH  STREET. SO YOU'RE GOING TO  ALLOW SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES.  SOUTH OF 75. EXCEPT FOR.  DELWOOD HAMPSHIRE, AND HOME  AND THAT'S WHAT MISS NOT.  WOULD YOU PLEASE SAY ONE MORE  TIME SO CITY PARK. LAST  MODIFIED OPTION TO ALLOWING  SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES ON ALL  AREAS AND ACTIVITY CENTER 6  SOUTH OF I 75 EXCEPT FOR THE 2  AREAS ON EITHER SIDE OF  YORKSHIRE STREET. RECTOR AIDES  THAT. COULD YOU PUT POWER  POINT BACK UP. STILL GET UPSET  WITH ME, YOU KNOW NOT SEEING  THAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING THAT  IS DIFFERENT DAYS ARE THE 2  AREAS YOU LOOK AT THEM AND  THESE ARE THE 2 AREAS ON  EITHER SIDE OF YORKSHIRE  MINUTES SOUTH OF PRICE.  >> NO IT IS NOT. THIS IS  PRICE. PRICED OUT OF 7075 AS  FOR THE PRICE RIGHT HERE THIS  LARGE BLACK LINE. IT'S 75.  THIS IS PARTS. THIS BOTTOM RED  LINE IS PRICE BOULEVARD OKAY,  I'M SORRY THOUGHT THAT WAS A  WATERWAY. IT'S NOT LABEL. SO  SO THIS IS I DON'T SEE IT AND  SO THERE'S EAST CRISIS RIGHT  HERE. IT SAYS PRICE IS RIGHT  HERE AND IT SAYS PRICE HERE.  ALSO 75 RIGHT SO SOUTH OF 75,  THIS IS EXCEPT FOR THE 2 AREAS  ON EITHER SIDE OF YORKSHIRE  THIS IS YOUR LOCKER ROOM CHAR  CITY CLERK. SLOWLY ONE MORE  PLEASE STATE A CONSENSUS.  SELECT A MODIFIED OPTION TOO.  >> ALONG SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES  ON ALL AREAS AND ACTIVITY  CENTER 6 SOUTH OF I 75 EXCEPT  FOR THE 2 AREAS ON EITHER SIDE  OF YOUR STREET.  >> THIS IS FOR ONE. MOST SIDE.  >> DIRECTOR YOU WOULD YOU  WOULD KNOW WHAT THE COMP PLAN  AMENDMENT UP I KNEW THAT WOULD  INCLUDE. ABSOLUTELY THAT COME  BACK FOR US TO YES. I. I AM IN  FAVOR OF THE CONCEPT OF WHAT  WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING. I AM  NOT IN FAVOR OF CARVING OUT  JUST THAT AREA AND I'M  ABSOLUTELY NOT IN FAVOR OF  CARVING OUT ANYTHING ELSE OF  ACTIVITY CENTER TO SINGLE  FAMILY. IT'S WRONG. I FEEL FOR  THE CITIZENS AND I APPRECIATE  THEIR THEIR IT'S A PASSION YOU  ARE TEXTING THERE. I SAID NO  AND I'M STATING WANT. OKAY  SECURE OR NO FOR THAT  COMMISSIONER EMERGENT I HEARD  YOU SAY SOMETHING.  >> YEAH I'M HERE.  >> OKAY, YEAH, I'M HERE  SOMEWHERE. I I WOULD BE A YES  TO  >> THERE I DO I DO AGREE AND I  KNOW WHERE I BELIEVE  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL IS GOING  BUT IF WE HAVE NO ACTIVITY  GOING ON ON BOTH SIDES OF  YORKSHIRE HIGHER THAN THAT'S A  STREAMLINED OFFENSE TO WEAR  WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE  COMMERCIAL GOING DOWN THROUGH  THERE, YOU KNOW TO BOULEVARD.  IT'S IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT  AGAIN WE'RE AT 20 YEARS SO.  ALL RIGHT, I MEAN YES  REGARDLESS, OKAY.  >> SO WE HAVE 41 ON STAFF TOO  DO YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED FOR  THAT PARTICULAR ITEM THAT.  OKAY YES WE'RE GOING TO. THANK  YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, THOSE  OF YOU THAT THAT STAY AND  MAJOR COMMENTS AND I'M I'M SO  GLAD THAT WE DID MOVE THAT TO  THE BEGINNING YES, SHOT A  TORCH SIGN SIGN BEEN SO WE'RE  GOING TO TAKE A BREAK HOW LONG  DO YOU WANT.  >> OK WE'RE COME BACK 10.  >> SO THE I DID USUALLY START  OUT VISITING THE NEW RESIDENTS  THAT SCHEDULE GARBAGE AND  RECYCLING CONTAINERS TO BE  DELIVERED I WILL GO SEE  EDUCATE THEM ON A SOLID WASTE  GUIDELINES ON FOCUSED RECYCLE  PART OF IT.  >> AFTER I WOULD DRIVE AROUND  THE CITY AND I ACTUALLY EXPECT  RECYCLE COMPARES IT GOT  RECYCLE AND I WILL  ♪ >> GO EDUCATE THE WHAT I LOVE  MOST ABOUT THE SCENE  ♪ >> IS THERE ARE RESIDENTS OFF  ON EVE OF THE WORLD. I GET TO  LEARN ABOUT THIS ALL WAY THEY  COME FROM AS WELL AS EDUCATE  THEM RECYCLE PROPERTY.  >> BELIEVE THAT THE NATURAL  RESOURCES DEPARTMENT WILL BE  INTEGRAL PART FOR THE CITY'S  GROWTH IS WE WANT TO ACHIEVE A  MORE BALANCED APPROACH OF  DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE WHAT  WE REALLY WANT TO DO IS SEE  SENSIBLE DEVELOPMENT  SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT.  >> AND ABOUT A MONTH THAT IN  LYON WAIVES WHAT WE DO HAVE  ALREADY HAVE HASTENED WE WANT  TO PRESERVE AS MUCH AS WE CAN  OF NATURAL RESOURCES, SO THAT  IS STILL PLACE FULL ON THE OF  ZAW ALL MIKE WRITING BAD  SADDLE THE OF THE SPECIES THAT  SURVIVED IT ALL HABITAT THAT  ROLE SYSTEMS. BIG PART OF.  ♪ >> THE WAYS YOU CALL SYSTEMS  FUNCTION AND IMPORTANT PARTS  FOR OUR COMMUNITY, OUR LIST  THE SPECIES THEY STABILIZE THE  SOIL THEY PROVIDES SO MANY  DIFFERENT BENEFITS, INCLUDING  SHADE LIMITING THE HEAT ISLAND  EFFECTS WITHIN OUR CITY  ♪ PROVIDING HABITAT PROVIDING  SHELTER FOR THE SPECIES. JUST  TO ALSO FOR OUR IS THAT HE CAN  JOIN MINCE WELL AS AN A LOT OF  WHAT I DO IS.  >> MAKING SURE THAT  DEVELOPMENT CONFORMS TO THE  TREE PROTECTION CODE SO ONE  THING WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE  SINCE APRIL OF 2022. IS A TREE  PROTECTION CODE WHICH IS QUITE  ROBUST AND THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT THAT WAS ADOPTED BY  COMMISSION AND THE CITY ALSO A  LOT OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT  AND SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO  HAVE THE TREE PROTECTION CODE  SO.  >> WHAT A LOT OF WHAT I DO IS  MAKING SURE THAT DEVELOPMENT  IN THE RESIDENTIAL OR  COMMERCIAL CONFORMS TO THAT  CODE WE OFF SUCH A PASSIONATE  TAME WE COME FROM.  >> FACT I THINK BETWEEN US WE  HAVE A 100 OF EXPERIENCE AS WE  ARE EVERY DIME RIGHT WING TO  GO OUT AND YOU KNOW WE KNOW  HE'S CUT OUT WITH A  ♪ HAPPY TO TAKE THE CHALLENGE TO  DIVISION COMMUNITY  INVOLVEMENT.  >> AND LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY  ♪ >> WE REALLY HAVE TO MAKE  GREAT STRIDES AND PROTECTING  WHAT WE HAVE HERE AND FINDING  THAT BALANCE WITH DEVELOPMENT  AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP,  I'M EXCITED TO BE A PART OF  THIS TEAM REALLY.  >> SEEKING AND LOOKING FORWARD  TO THE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO  BE ABLE TO MAKE  ♪ >> A DIFFERENCE.  >> REX HAS A FULL CLASS TRX  CAMP IS A NEW CLASS FOR ME,  ALTHOUGH I'VE BEEN USING TRS  FOR MANY YEARS WITH PERSONAL  TRAINING THAT I DO OR IN OTHER  STYLES CLASSES THAT I'VE DONE.  BUT AN ACTUAL FOCUS WITH JUST  TRX THIS IS A NEW CLASSROOM. I  LOVE THE CAMARADERIE TO SAY  WITH ALL THE PARTICIPANTS. I  THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF FUN.  ♪ FIRST OF ALL EVERYONE GETS TO  THE MANS THAT YEAR EXPENSE OF  BEING THAT WE HAVE 5 STATIONS  SO WE HAVE OVERFLOW OR MORE  THAN 5 PEOPLE. PART OF THE  PEOPLE ON THEM AND THE OTHER  PEOPLE ARE DOING FOR WORK AND  THEN WE'LL SWITCH SO EVERYBODY  GETS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE AN  ALL STATIONS JUST COME HAVE  FUN WITH IT MAKING YOUR OWN  IT'S NOT SCARY. IT DOESN'T  HAVE TO BE INTIMIDATING AT ALL  YOU'RE USING YOUR BODY WEIGHT  USING THE ANGLES THAT YOU  CHOOSE TO USE ON THE MAN'S AND  IT JUST VARIES WITH  ♪ HOW YOU'RE COMFORTABLE AND HOW  YOU'RE FEELING WHEN YOU'RE  HERE.  >> STARTED CHARLOTTE COUNTY  UTILITIES AS A METER READER IN  2004. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE  I GOT MY FOOT IN THE DOOR AND  WANT REACH A POINT MY LIFE FOR  THINGS ARE MORE STABLE AND I  DECIDED TO LEAVE CHARLOTTE  COUNTY UTILITIES. AND I WENT  AND GOT MY INTERNS LICENSE  THOSE VERY EXCITING DOING THAT  FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME,  BUT AFTER A WHILE I STARTED  THINKING ABOUT THE UTILITY. IT  WAS IN MY HEART AT THIS POINT  I HAD ALMOST 12 JUST 2 MONTHS,  SHY OF  ♪ 12 YEARS AND AND SO I REALIZED  DURING THAT TIME. MY HEART WAS  IN UTILITIES AND SO I STARTED  LOOKING AROUND AGAIN I THINK  OPENING HERE ABC IN THE SO I  APPLIED AND I GOT IN TYPICALLY  I GET HERE AT 7 IN THE  MORNING. I GET MY LIST YOU  KNOW IF I CAN GET TO THIS THIS  IS WHAT I NEED TO DO AND.  >> I GET IN MY TRUCK, IF I  NEED ANY SUPPLIES PARTS TOOLS  BASED OFF OF THE WORK I WAS  GIVEN THAT MORNING, I'LL PICK  THAT UP HERE AT OUR SHOP AND  THEN I HEAD OUT IN THEM.  MICHAEL FOR THE DAYS TO GET AS  MUCH WORK AS THAT WAS ASSIGNED  TO DONE AS POSSIBLE. AND  SOMETIMES THAT HAPPENS OTHER  TIMES THERE'S A LOT OF FIRST  RESPONSE CALLS THAT COME IN MY  FAVORITE PART IS THE  UNIQUENESS NOT KNOWING WHAT  I'M GOING TO BE FACED WITH  EVERY DAY IT COULD BE  DIFFERENT. IT'S NOT MUNDANE  ANYWAY.  >> AND IT'S EXCITING WHEN YOU  GET A CALL AND YOU'RE YOU'RE  ON YOUR WAY YOU DON'T KNOW  WHAT IT IS AND YOU YOU HAVE  THE EXPERIENCE AND THE  KNOW-HOW AND THE BACKING TO  FACE WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE  SO I FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN  FACING  ♪ THESE CALLS AND I THINK THAT'S  FRONT PART.  >> PROMISE ALWAYS MANAGES TO  THE NORTH PORT. HERE TODAY,  WITH MARY OF ANY PLAYER  SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT SOLID WASTE DIVISION  WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT  PICKUPS TODAY AHEAD OF  SCHEDULE BOTH PICKUPS WHAT  SHOULD GO OUT AND WHAT SHOULD  NOT GO OUT TO THE CURRENT  WHERE TO PLACE THE ITEM TO  THEM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE  MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF CHIEF  OF THE YEAR PICK UP. SO I KNOW  WE CALL 9, 4, 1, 2, 4, 0, 8,  0, 50 TALK TO OUR CUSTOMER  SERVICE REPS THAT'S CORRECT  HOW TO PICKUP HOW ELSE CAN WE  DO THAT CAN ALSO GO ON A  WEBSITE NORTH PORT FL DOT GOV  CLICK ON SOLID WASTE AND FILL  OUT A BULK REQUEST FOR  EXCELLENT EXCELLENT SCENARIO  WHEN IN DOUBT. IF A PERSON  WANTS TO PLAY SET OUT WHAT  SHOULD TAKE PLACE OUT. WHAT'S  RIGHT THING WAS THE WRONG  THING BASICALLY FRANK ANYTHING  THAT DOESN'T FIT IN THE  CONTAINER THAT'S GARBAGE IS  GOING TO GO CURBSIDE GOING TO  STAY OFF DRIVEWAYS WHAT'S NOT  ACCEPT THAT IS TIRES  CHEMICALS.  >> STUFF LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT  YARD WASTE OUT THAT'S  CONSIDERED BALK BUT JUST MAKE  SURE IT'S SEPARATE FROM  GARBAGE PILE CONWAY SAYS A  SEPARATE PICKUP, SO WHAT  HAPPENS IF I USE ALL MY UP  BOTH THE COUNTRY COULD  QUESTION. SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE  BUT HAVE TO PAY IT CAN BE 1658  CUBIC YARD AND THAT'S LINKED  TIMES WITH TIME TIGHT DIVIDED  BY 27 IS ONE COULD BE COUNTED  ANY QUESTIONS OF COURSE LET'S  NOT GIVE US A CALL  941-240-8050.  >> I'M STACEY LOVES OF  EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR CITY  WORK AND I'M GOING DISCUSS  FIRST RESPONDERS AFTER STORM,  SO IT MAY TAKE A WHILE FOR  FIRST RESPONDERS TO GET THE  STORM AND DUE TO A VARIETY OF  REASONS. ONE ALL FIRST  RESPONDERS OFF THE ROADS, THE  TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE  SUSTAINED FOR THEIR SAFETY  THAT IS A STANDARD USUALLY  COSTS AND OTHER STATE SO WE  WILL HAVE A BACKLOG OF CALLS  THAT HAVE COME IN DURING THE  STORM THAT WILL PRIORITIZE  BASED ARE GOING TO ANOTHER  RESPONDING TO AS WELL AS THE  CALLS THAT ARE CURRENTLY  COMMUNICATOR. ALSO ON THE  ROADS MIGHT BE FLOODED. THERE  MIGHT BE DEBRIS IN THE ROADS  ARE TECHNICAL FIRST IN TEAMS  WILL BE GOING OUT RIGHT AWAY  TO CLEAR THE ROADS  ♪ ANY HAUSER'S US SO THAT OUR  VEHICLES CAN GET THROUGH AND  RESPOND THE CAUSE. JUST KEEP  THAT IN MIND WHEN YOU CALL  AFTER DISASTER FOR CITIZENS,  WE ARE COMING. WE ARE VERY  IMPORTANT AS WE CARE ABOUT OUR  RESIDENT AND THAT SAFETY, BUT  IT MAY  ♪ JUST TAKE A WHILE FOR US TO  GET TO THE PANDEMIC THAT  >> I'M STACEY LOS YOU KNOW ON  THE EMERGENCY AND BE A PART IT  IS THEY ARE GOING SEE STORM  SURGE AGAIN.  ♪ BUT NEXT SO STORM SURGE IS  STRONG SUSTAINED WHEN ARE  CONSTANTLY GOING OVER A LONG  PERIOD OF TIME OVER THE GOAL  IS PUSHING WATER UP ONTO WILL  NOT HAPPEN. THERE'S A LOT OF  FLOODING A LOT OF BEACH  EROSION ALONG TEACHER AND THE  HOME.  >> HOWEVER THIS STORM CAN ALSO  PUSH WATER OF THE RIVER PUSHED  ON THE MYAKKA RIVER FOR  INSTANCE, AGO AND THEN THE  WATER COMING DOWNSTREAM FROM  THE RIVER HAS ORDERED TO DO.  BUT THE WATER TO BACK  FLOODING.  >> THAT ALONG WITH A LOT OF  RAIN THAT COMES FROM THESE IT  IS  ♪ >> 1038 WE'RE BACK TO BUSINESS  NEXT. CHAPTER 5 REGARDING SIGN  REGULATIONS AND DISCUSSION  CITY MANAGER THIS IS YOUR  ITEM.  >> AND THEY CAME OUT THERE WE  STILL HAVE A SYSTEM ALWAYS  BOARD HERE TO TAKE US THROUGH  SECTION.  >> COMMISSIONER EMERGED TO  ALL.  >> COMMISSIONER, EMERICH ARE  YOU THERE WE WE ARE BACK.  >> I'M HERE.  >> OKAY, OF. YES OKAY MAKE  SURE ARE LISTENING THANK YOU.  >> GOOD MORNING LAUREN BARNES  ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF  DEVELOPMENT SERVICES.  >> PRESENTING CHAPTER 5 OF THE  PROPOSED UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE WHICH WILL  CONTAIN OUR SIGN REGULATIONS.  STATE AND THE LEGISLATIVE TEXT  FOR THIS ROUTE ARE OUTSIDE  LEGAL COUNSEL HAS ALREADY  REVIEWED THIS CHAPTER AND THEY  HAVE MATERIALLY PARTICIPATED  AND THIS CHAPTER BECAUSE OF  THE IMPORTANCE OF SIGN  REGULATIONS HAS TO. FREE  SPEECH CLAUSE OF THE FIRST  AMENDMENT AND THE EQUAL  PROTECTION CLAUSE OF 14TH  AMENDMENT.  >> WE DO HAVE 2 CONSENSUS  ITEMS THAT WILL THE PRESENT AS  PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.  OTHERWISE WE WOULD CAUTION  THAT ANY A SIGNIFICANT CHANGES  TO THE PROPOSED DRAFT AS IT  STANDS BECAUSE OF A LEGAL  IMPLICATIONS AND KNOWING THAT  ADDITIONAL LEGAL REVIEW WOULD  BE REQUIRED IF ANYTHING  SIGNIFICANT WORK TO BE  CHANGED. AND 2015 AND GILBERT  ARIZONA. THERE WAS A COMMUNITY  CHURCH AT FILED SUIT AGAINST  THE CITY AS 2 TEMPORARY SIGNS  IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND  THEN ASSERTION THAT PAIR FREE  SPEECH WAS IMPEDED POND AND  THAT THEY WERE NOT PROVIDED  PEOPLE PROTECTION UNDER THE  LAW 2015 THE U.S. SUPREME  COURT DID RULE IN FAVOR OF THE  COMMUNITY CHURCH. AND FOUND  THAT THE CITY SIGN REGULATIONS  AND CONTENT BASED WERE IN  PERMISSIBLE UNDER THE  CONSTITUTION. SO YOU CAN  IMAGINE AS THIS SUPREME COURT  RULING CAME DOWN IN 2015. WHEN  A AND I CAME TO THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND FOUND THAT  THE SIGN CODE HAD NOT YET  UPDATED TO BE COMPLIANT WITH  THAT SUPREME COURT RULING WE  WORK. I'M SURPRISED TO PART IT  ACTUALLY. SO WE ARE VERY  PLEASED TO BE BRINGING  SOMETHING FORWARD THAT IS  CONSTITUTIONALLY COMPLIANT AND  PROVIDES FOR SIGNAGE WE  BELIEVE THAT WILL BE MORE  CONSISTENT WITH THE BUILDING  SIZE AND MASS AND THAT WE'RE  SEEING AND MANY OF DMPA  OCCASIONS WHERE. DEVELOPERS  ARE REQUESTING MODIFICATIONS  TO OUR SIDE REGULATIONS SO  THAT THEY CAN SIZE TIMES ARE  CONSISTENT WITH THE BUILDING  MASK AND ON THEIR PROPERTY.  CHAPTER 5 IS BROKEN UP INTO OR  ARE TOLD. AND MINISTRATION  ENFORCE SIGN TYPES SIGN  STANDARDS SIGNED VARIANCE.  WHAT'S THERE'S A LOT THAT'S  TIED TO THE SUPREME COURT  RULING AND THE REVERSE IS  GILBERT CASE. IN THE  ADMINISTRATION SECTION WE DO  PROVIDE FOR SUBSTITUTION OF  NONCOMMERCIAL SPEECH OR  COMMERCIAL SPEECH. WE PROVIDE  THAT THE REGULATIONS ARE  CONTENT CONTENT NEUTRAL. WE  ARE EXEMPTING GOVERNMENTS  TIMES FROM SIGN REGULATIONS AT  THE RECOMMENDATION NUMBER  LEGAL COUNSEL IF WE  INCORPORATED GOVERNMENT SIGNS.  WE WOULD. THE ENTERING INTO  THE LAND OF THE NEW SHOTS ARE  AS REGULATING. THINGS LIKE.  TRAFFIC SIGNS STREET SIGNS. ET  CETERA WHICH ARE ALREADY  ADDRESSED IN FDOT IS GREEN  BOOK. THE DEFINITION SECTION  IS INCLUDED SIGNS RATHER THAN  IN THESE. DEFINITION A  PANDEMIC'S PROPOSE FOR THE  ENTIRE ULDC THIS AGAIN WAS AT  THE REC RECOMMENDATION OF OUR  OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL ADDING A  SELF-CONTAINED SIGNED PAD  MAKES IT MORE EASILY  DEFENSIBLE IN LIGHT OF THE  CHALLENGE. WE HAVE  INCORPORATED RULES OF NATIONAL  MAP WHICH KICKS EXACTLY HOW WE  MEASURE SIGNED SIZES. AREAS  HEIGHTS. AND WE'VE  INCORPORATED A NEW APPROVAL  PROCESS WE'RE SIGNAGE WILL BE  APPROVED THROUGH A CERTAIN OF  ITS OWN IN COMPLIANCE RATHER  THAN THROUGH THE BUILDING  PERMIT PROCESS. THIS DOES 2  THINGS FIRST THAT ALLOWS FOR  OF YOU KNOW IT'S SIGNS THAT  MIGHT NOT BE REQUIRED TO HAVE  A BUILDING OR NOT. ENSURES  THAT WE ARE MEETING THE  TIMELINES AND ARE INCORPORATED  IN THE DRAFT AND HAVE AND  UPHELD AS CONSTITUTIONAL AND  OTHER COURT CASES. WE ARE  INCORPORATING PROVISIONS THAT  REQUIRE PROPERTY OWNERS TO  MAINTAIN THEIR SIGNS IN GOOD  CONDITION AND REQUIRING THAT  SCIENCE REMOVED. WHEN THEY ARE  NO LONGER AND ACTIVITIES. THIS  IS AN EXAMPLE OF THE  MEASUREMENT OF STANDARD  SECTION WHERE YOU CAN IMAGES  THAT CLEARLY THE PACKED THE  MANNER IN WHICH THOSE SIGNS  ARE NOT SURE. AND WE'VE  INCORPORATED THE EXCEPTIONS TO  THE BUILDING PERMITS SECTION  THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH E CITY  CERTIFIED BUILDING WHERE AND  THE FLORIDA BUILDING CLEARLY  WOULDN'T REQUIRE PERMITS FOR  THESE TYPES OF SCIENCE.  ARTICLE 2 WHAT'S NEW WE HAVE A  MATRIX OF ALLOWABLE SIGNS BY  SENDING DISTRACT PROVIDES FOR  SIGNS ON DEVELOPED SITES AS AN  ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND SIGNS  ON BACON SCIENCE AS  PERMISSIBLE PRIMARY USE. AND  WE'VE ALSO IDENTIFIED  PROHIBITED SIDES HERE. THIS  THE. TABLE FOR THE. AND IT'S  SCIENCE. AND THIS IS AN  EXAMPLE WHERE ALL OF OUR SIGN  PIPES ARE LISTED AND THEY'RE  LISTED AS EITHER ACCESSORY.  PERMISSIBLE PRIMARY. WE'RE  PROHIBITED. AND ARTICLE 3. WE  ARE INCORPORATING LIMITED TO  RATION TIMES IS LIMITED  DURATIONS SIGNS PROVIDE  OPPORTUNITY FOR CH OUTSIDE OF  THE TIME TEMPORARY SIDES ALLOW  OUR LOVE FOR 30 DAYS. WHAT  ABOUT REAL ESTATE SCIENCE. IS  EVERY HOME CELL IN 30 DAYS NOW  WHAT ABOUT SIGNS ON ACTIVE  CONSTRUCTION SITES AND UPPER  TIES DEVELOPER THE BUILDER THE  ENGINEER. THEY LAST LONGER  THAN 30 DAYS. MY CHILD IS  GRADUATING FROM NORTH PORT  HIGH DO WE WANT TO LEND THAT  THAT'S SIGNAGE TO 30 DAYS  WHERE SOMEONE IS WANTING TO  CELEBRATE THEIR CHILD'S  SUCCESS. DO WE WANT TO.  PREVENT PEOPLE FROM HAVING  OPPORTUNITIES FOR SPEECH  DURING ELECTION PERIODS OR ANY  OTHER TIME FOR THAT MATTER A  PERSONAL EXPRESSION AND THEIR  YARD IF THEY WANT TO CONVEY A  MESSAGE OF SOMETHING THAT THEY  BELIEVE EVENT. WHETHER IT'S  SOMETHING 2 WE LOVE PORT. I  LOVE MY CHURCH, ANYTHING LIKE  THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE  PERSONAL EXPRESSION SIGNS. AS  I MENTIONED BRIEFLY IN THE  BEGINNING. WE FACING ALLOWABLE  SIGN AN INCH BASED ON LINEAR  FROM FOOTAGE OF THE PROPERTY  ARE FREESTANDING SIGNS AND OF  THE BUILDING OR WAS TIGHT.  THIS PROVIDES FOR REGULATIONS  WELL GIVE ALLOWABLE SQUARE  FOOTAGE EXCESS OF WHAT'S  ALLOWED UNDER OUR CURRENT CODE  AND THEREFORE PROVIDE THAT  SIGNAGE THIS MORE CONSISTENT  WITH THE BUILDING SIZE MASK OR  DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE CYBER OF  SEGREGATED STANDARDS FOR  INDIVIDUALS TIMES FOR SOME  SMALL I 10 TIMES SO IT'S NOT  CONFUSING AND IT'S CLEAR AND  IF YOU HAVE A MULTIPLE TENANTS  SITE, THE REGULATIONS THAT  GOVERN YOUR SIGNAGE POINT IT  DIFFERENT AND A SINGLE USER  BUILDING OR PROPERTY. LASTLY  AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WHEN IT  COMES TO THE SUPREME COURT  RULING ITS REGULATIONS ARE NOT  BASED ON CONTENT. AND OTHER  WORDS OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND  PROPERTY. I CAN COUNT THE  NUMBER OF SIGNS ON THE  PROPERTY. AND THE SIZES OF THE  SCIENCE. THEY CAN COME BACK TO  THE OFFICE THEY CAN DETERMINE  WHAT TYPES OF CONDITIONS,  CURRENTLY EXISTS ON PROPERTY  OR IN THE COMMUNITY. AND MAKE  A DECISION AS TO WHETHER THEY  ARE EXCEEDING THE ALLOWABLE  SIGNAGE OR NOT THERE IS NO  CONDITION AND ARE OWED UNDER  WHICH THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT  OFFICER WILL HAVE TO READ WHAT  THE SIGNS TO DETERMINE  ALLOWABLE. THIS IS THE  DEFINITION LIMITED DURATION  TIME. THE HOT. AFTER A 180  DAYS, HOWEVER THAT'S I'M WILL  BE CONSIDERED A PERMANENT  SIDE. NOW WHY THERE NEEDS TO  BE REMOVED, OR WILL NEED TO BE  PER MINUTE AS A PERMANENT  SIGNAGE IS ALLOWABLE IN THAT  DISTRICT THAT TIES BACK TO THE  FLORIDA BUILDING CODES  ALLOWANCES FOR TEMPORARY  VISAS, ANTHONY DAVIS. THIS IS  AN EXAMPLE. OF THE SINE  ALLOWANCE BASED ON THE LINEAR  FRONT FOOTAGE. OR SINGLE USE  BUILDING. FREESTANDING SIGNS  FOR INDIVIDUAL BUSINESSES OR  ENTITIES. AND THEN OUR MULTI  TIME THAT. STANDARDS. LAST  START CALL ARTICLE 4 REGARDING  VARIANCE WE HAVEN'T FOR  PARADED IN THE DRAFT ABILITY  FOR THE ULDC ADMINISTRATOR TO  APPROVE MINOR AERION SAYS IN  CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES. MAJOR  VARIANCES WOULD BE CONSIDERED  IRON ZONING HEARING OFFICER  WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING  MOVE INTO AND THE NEW ULDC  BECAUSE OF OUR DIFFICULTY  KEEPING ZONING BOARD OF  APPEALS MEMBERS AND THE KORAN.  SO THAT DOES CONCLUDE MY  PRESENTATION AS FAR AS THE  REGULATIONS I LIKE TO TALK  ABOUT OUR CONSENSUS ITEMS.  THERE ARE 2. THE FIRST IS  REGARDING NONCONFORMING SIGNS  AND THE QUESTION AS TO WHETHER  THE CITY COMMISSION MISSION  WANTS TO INCORPORATE A SUNSET  DATE AND ORDER. TO REQUIRE  THESE SIGNS TO BE REMOVED BY A  CERTAIN DATE. SOME CITIES  INCORPORATE A SOME DOUBT. SOME  FIND THAT THE NATURAL  PROGRESSION UNSIGNED  DETERIORATION AND THE  SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE CAUSES  REQUIRING ASSIGNED TO BE  BROUGHT UP CODE OR REMOVED ITS  DAMAGE MORE THAN 50%. THEY  FIND THOSE ARE ENOUGH. OTHERS  WANT TO SET DATES HAVE CERTAIN  TYPES OF SIGNS FROM IT FOR  EXAMPLE PAUL SCIENCE. MANY  COMMUNITIES WANT TO SEE THOSE  PAUL SIGNS REMOVED WITHIN 5 OR  10 YEARS AND NOT WAIT OUT AT  SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE. FOR  REMOVAL OF THE SIGNS. SO I CAN  TELL YOU THAT THE PLANNING AND  ZONING ADVISORY BOARD DIDN'T  MAKE A RECOMMENDATION ON  THURSDAY AT SOME TYPE OF  SUNSET THEY BE INCORPORATED  FOR NONCONFORMING SIGNS IN  CITY. THE CABBIE OUT HERE IS  THAT ANY SUNSET PROVISION WILL  NOT APPLY TO BILLBOARDS. AND  WE'LL GET TO THAT NEXT  CONSENSUS SIDE. MADAM MAYOR  WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO GO INTO  THE NEXT YEAR WOULD YOU LIKE  TO CONSIDER THIS ONE AND THEN  THE NEXT ONE SEPARATELY.  >> MAYBE STICK TO WANT TO  CHIME. IS THAT  ♪ BUT YES  ♪ SO. HE'S FIRST WANT TO TAKE  THE NOT FORMING SIGNS IT'S  OKAY. ALL RIGHT WHAT ARE  THOUGHTS ON THAT VICE MAYOR.  YEAH, NOT.  >> AND A REASONABLE SENSE YOU  SHOULD BE YOU KNOW WHAT SIR.  SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATION. THAT  THEY MADE.  >> THE PLANNING AND ZONING  ADVISORY BOARD DID NOT MAKE A  RECOMMENDATION AS TO TYPES OF  SIGNS OR TIMELINE THERE WAS  SOME CONVERSATION ABOUT  PROVIDING A YEAR. I'M IN MY  PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT YEAR  IS NOT A NOT IF YOU ARE GOING  TO SUNSET SIGNS YOU NEED TO  KEEP ECONOMIC AND MIND PROVIDE  BALANCE PROVIDE STAFF ENOUGH  TIME TO NOTIFY ALL OF IS  PROPERTY OWNERS AND BUSINESS  OWNERS AT THEIR SIDE WOULD BE  SUBJECT TO A SUNSET DATE SO  THAT THEY CAN PLAN FOR THEIR  OWN BUSINESSES, HOW 2, 1, 2,  >> REPLACE THEIR NONCONFORMING  SIGNAGE YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF  SEALED FOR BIG AN ISSUE THAT  IS ARE THERE TONS OF THEM.  >> WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL  NUMBER ALONG US HIGHWAY 4.41.  I COULD NOT TELL YOU HOW MANY.  >> I WOULD STAFF. I MEAN WOULD  STAFF. FEEL THAT THAT A SUNSET  DATE IMPORTANT OR OR. ONE OF  THE DOWNSIDES OF TO STILL  ALLOWING TAKE ITS COURSE  SPEAKING FOR THE TRIP TAKES  YEARS TO COME. I MEAN THERE'S  ENOUGH EYESORES ALONG 41,  SEPARATE AND APART FROM  SIGNAGE THAT IT'S NOT LIKE IT  WOULD BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE IN  WORLD AND GET IT ME THAT WE  WOULD PUT THE ONUS ON IT'S IN  SAYS DO YOU KNOW IT IT LETS  FACE IT. YOU KNOW FOR SOME  ECONOMIC TIMES ARE GRATION  RATHER STAY MY WAY TO IMPOSE  THIS KIND OF OBLIGATION  WHETHER IT BE A YEAR 2 YEARS 3  YEARS ON BUSINESSES. YOU KNOW  THAT. YOU KNOW TRACKERS JUST  ANOTHER COST SOME MOVING  ELSEWHERE. I DON'T NEED THIS  AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THE SIGN  FALL APART MAN. THAT'S TO COME  UP TO CODE FROM THERE, I MEAN  IT STAFF HAVE MANY KIND OF A.  WEANING YEAR.  >> I.  >> I WILL STATE THAT THIS IS A  POLICY DECISION I CAN I I I  CAN OFFER SOME COMMENTARY ON  WHAT WE'VE INCORPORATED IN THE  CAP. SO WE HAVE INCORPORATED  ON HAVE MAINTENANCE  REQUIREMENTS WHEREAS WE DO NOT  CURRENT LEE. SO THE  MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS  WOULD. WOULD HELP TO ENSURE  THAT THOSE SIGNS ARE THE POLLS  ARE CROSSED AND THAT THEY'RE  CLEAN NEED PAINTED PROPERLY  THAT THEY'RE NOT SERIOUS  DISREPAIR. THE PROVISION THAT  WE HAVE IS THE REMOVAL  PROVISION AND SCIENCE ARE NOT  BEING ACTIVELY USED HER PERIOD  OF TIME. SO WE WE HAVE BUILT  SOME SAFEGUARDS IT JUST COMES  DOWN TO THE QUESTION HOW  IMPORTANT IS IT TO THE  COMMISSION. THAT ALL SIGNS  COMPLY WITH THE NEW  REGULATIONS SOONER RATHER THAN  LATER. THE CITY THAT I. ONCE  LIVED THEY HAD NONCONFORMING  SIGNS THAT WENT BACK AS FAR  1952. SOMETIMES THEY WERE IN  GOOD REPAIR SOMETIMES THEY  WERE AND THERE WERE AND THE  CITY WHO WOULD HAVE LIKED TO  SEEN A CAR CAN COME AND BLOW  IT DOWN PASS MORE THAN 50% OF  SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE. YOU KNOW  IT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION BUT  IT IS A POLICY QUESTION AND  THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO MAKE  SURE WE MENTION THE ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT ACTOR AS WELL AS  THE OTHER SAFEGUARDS THAT  WE'VE WRITTEN TO THE FOR  MAINTENANCE.  >> AND I'D BE AGAINST SENDING  A SUNSET THEY I THINK LIKE.  OKAY WAS LEAVING ON THE WAY  THEY ARE AND WHAT NATURE TAKE  ITS COURSE. YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT  SOMETHING IN THE CODE TO KEEP  CLEAN KEEP MAINTAINED ITS BEST  WE CAN YOU KNOW. I'M GOOD WITH  THAT. DON'T THINK WE NEED TO  IMPOSE SOME SAID THEY DON'T  THIS INSTANCE, YOU KNOW ENOUGH  PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> COUPLE OF  >> I SO TO SEE A DISTINCTION  BETWEEN A PERMANENT SIGN AND  TEMPORARY SIGN. I'M I WOULD  CERTAINLY BE OK. LET'S DO  THIS. GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES OF  TEMPORARY SIGNS AND TEMPORARY  IS 180 DAYS SO FIRST OF ALL.  >> THE SUNSET THEY FOR  NONCONFORMING SIGNS WOULD NOT  APPLY TO TEMPORARY SIGNS OR  LIMITED TO RATION SOTS. AND  FOR A SCIENCE OR FOR 30 DAYS  ONLY UNDER CERTAIN  CIRCUMSTANCES, A SPECIAL SALE,  A GRAND OPENING. THAT KIND OF  SITUATION A LIMITED DURATION  SIGNS AGAIN RUN THE GAMUT FROM  ELECTION SEASON TIMES TOO.  CONSTRUCTION SITE SIGNS TO  REAL ESTATE SIGNS TO PERSONAL  EXPRESSION SIGNS TOO NEW  SUBDIVISIONS OUT SIGNS AS TYPE  BANKS AND THOSE ARE LIMITED TO  THE 180 DAYS. SO THE  NONCONFORMING SUNSET THEY  WOULD APPLY TO YOU OR BUSINESS  SIGNAGE AGAIN SOME LIMIT IT TO  POST SIGNS. SOME LIVE LIMITED  PAUL SIGNS AND GROUP SIGNS.  ALTHOUGH I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY  ROOF SIGNS CITY OF NORTH PORT  OTHER CITIES AND ARE NOT  COMFORTABLE WITH THE  AESTHETICS FOR THE SAFETY  CONCERNS SURROUNDING SO THAT  BEING SAID YOU CAN TAILOR IT  TO CERTAIN TYPES OF SIGNS ONLY  OR ANY. PERMANENT  NONCONFORMING SIGN THAT HAS  NOT OTHERWISE APPROVED BY A  VARIANCE OR A MODIFICATION TO  THE CODE THROUGH DEVELOPMENT  MASTER PLAN 4 WITHIN DPP.  >> YEAH, I'M COMFORTABLE SIGN  MAINTENANCE AND SO BEING  SPECIFIC AROUND EXPECTATIONS.  WE HAVE A NUMBER OF SMALL  OLDER BUSINESSES, ALONG 41.  WHO HAVE INVESTED IN  PERMANENT. SO ATTACH SIGNS I  WOULD BE VERY UNCOMFORTABLE  REQUIRING THEM AT ANY POINT TO  HAVE TO REPLACE THOSE SIGNS  WITH A CONFORMING SIGN AS LONG  AS SIGN IS IN GOOD REPAIR. AND  ISN'T GETTING HOW WOULD YOU  RECOMMEND WE DEAL WITH  HURRICANE DAMAGE.  >> I THAT'S ALREADY  INCORPORATED IN OUR CURRENT  CODE AND IN THE DRAFT CODE AND  FALLS BACK TO THE FLORIDA  BUILDING CODE.  >> SAME PROVISIONS THAT FEMA  USES YOUR SIGN IS DAMAGED MORE  THAN 50% OF THE VALUE OF THIS  AND NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT IN TO  CONFORMANCE WITH THE CODE  EITHER BY MODIFYING THE SIGN  CAN BE MODIFIED OR BY REMOVING  AND REPLACING.  >> ANOTHER QUESTION MIGHT BE  DRIFTING A LITTLE BIT MORE  INTO THE DETAILED DOCUMENT  RATHER THAN JUST A. THE 2  QUESTIONS BUT.  >> PERSONAL EXPRESSION SIGNS  SO. AM I TO UNDERSTAND THE  EXAMPLES YOU USED WAS SORT OF  POSITIVE SIGNS BUT WHAT IF  THERE'S A SIGN DRIFTING INTO  HATE SPEECH WHO DETERMINES  THAT IS THERE ANY PROVISION.  >> 4.  >> PROTECTING AGAINST THAT  THAT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH THE  SUPREME COURT RULING.  >> WE CANNOT REGULATE CONTENT.  SO.  >> ANYONE AND THIS IS COME UP  AND OTHER COMMUNITIES AND  OTHER COMMUNITIES  ♪ >> AGAIN THEIR HEELS AND THEY  AND SUED AND THEY HAVE LOST.  >> EXPLETIVE NAME  ♪ YOUR POLITICIAN. WE CANNOT  REGULATE.  >> OKAY I'LL SAVE MY OTHER  QUESTIONS TO A DEEPER DOCUMENT  BUT BUT I'M INCLINED KNOW  SUNSET SO LONG AS THE BUSINESS  IS MAINTAINING THEIR  >> CENTERED CENTER.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> OF MY QUESTIONS ARE  SUBMITTED WAS WHAT WAS THE  PURPOSE OF REMOVAL TO ME IT'S  AN UNDUE BURDEN ON A  BUSINESSES A ANYBODY REX  ASSIGNED TO HAVE TO HAVE IT  REMOVED BY EXTANT SO I AM  DEFINITELY NOT IN FAVOR OF  THAT. WITH ALL THAT SAID HOW  DOES BE IN THE NONCONFORMING  SIGN SECTION OF THE CODE THAT  DEALS WITH PROPERTIES THAT  WERE ANNEXED. IF THE PROPERTY  IS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY THEY  HAVE UNTIL. WHATEVER IF WE'RE  GOING TO SUNSET IF IT IS THE  POLICY OF NOT REMOVING THE  SIGNS. WOODEN ANNEXED PROPERTY  HAVE TO COMPLY WITH OUR.  HOLLYWOOD POSTCODE FOR SIGNS  AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE  WHATEVER IS NOT. BECAUSE WE  DIDN'T ISSUE THE PERMIT. WE  DIDN'T WE DIDN'T DO ANY OF  THAT. BUT THIS POLICY IN BE  SAYING THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO  HAVE THE SIGN REMOVED.  >> THE.  >> THE NONCONFORMING SIGN.  WHETHER 1005.9 POINT B WAS  WRITTEN EXPLICITLY AND THE  SIGN CODE OR NOT. ANYTHING ON  THEIR PROPERTY THAT IS  NONCONFORMING TO CITY  REGULATIONS ALL UNDER A  NONCONFORMITY CLAUSE AND THE  50%. INC OR DESTRUCTION  APPLIES. ONCE THEY COME INTO  THE CITY. THEY'RE SUBJECT TO  CITY REGULATIONS ACROSS THE  BOARD AS A MATTER WHETHER IT'S  A SIGN REGULATION OR WHETHER A  BUILDING SIZE LIMITATION. IF  THEY ARE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED  UP TO 50% OF THE MARKET VALUE.  THEY'RE SUBJECT TO BRING IT  INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE  CURRENT CODES OR THE  JURISDICTION IN WHICH THE  PROPERTY IS LOCATED. THAT  BEING SAID. THIS APPLIES  WHETHER WE EXPLICITLY DESCRIBE  IT IN THE REGULATIONS OR NOT.  OUR OUTSIDE COUNSEL IS  RECOMMENDING THAT WE DO  SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS AND  THAT'S OUR SOULS. IF YOU WERE  TOO. ADOPT A SUNSET 8 THAT  WOULD APPLY TO ALL PROPERTIES  IN THE CITY LIMITS. NOW AND  THOSE ANNEXED AND THE FUTURE  AS WELL.  >> IF YOU LOOK AT THE. HEARING  THE.  >> THAT SEEMS TO BE THE  CONSENSUS OR GUIDELINE OF MY  FELLOW COMMISSIONERS TO NO  SUNSET WOULD BE.  >> WHICH IS THE ANNEXATION  PART OF THE CLASS WOULD THAT  BE REMOVED ENTIRELY OR WOULD  THAT STILL BE A NONCONFORMING  BUT YES THEY CAN KEEP THEIR  SIGN REGARDLESS DEPENDING ON  WHEN THEY CAME INTO THE CITY.  >> CORRECT SO IF THEY HAVE A  IF IF THEY HAVE WARMING SIGN  AND CURRENTLY AND SARASOTA  COUNTY.  >> I'M THINKING WARM MINERAL  SPRINGS MOTEL THAT'S WHAT  POPPED INTO MY OR ALL SPRING  SMILE TELLS A NONCONFORMING  SIGN OKAY OKAY ONCE IT COMES  INTO OUR CITY LIMITS NOW UNDER  THE CURRENT REGULATIONS, IT'S  INFORMING SPOT. THEY WILL BE  SUBJECT TO THE SUBSTANTIAL  DAMAGE COSTS.  >> THAT'S JUST WANTED IT SITS  ANY OTHER BUSINESS IN THE CITY  IS SUBJECT TO THE SUBSTANTIAL  DAMAGE NOW. THEY ALSO HAVE THE  OPTION TO REQUEST A VARIANCE.  BECAUSE ONCE THE VARIANCES  GRANTED OR A SIGN THAT'S  NONCONFORMING AT THE CANNES  CONFORMING. SO AND AS MUCH AS  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS MOTEL AS  A UNIQUE SIGNED A HISTORIC  SIGN THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO  MEET THE SUBSTANTIAL HARDSHIP  CRITERIA UNDER THE VARIANCE  SECTION AND THAT MIGHT BE AN  OPTION THAT THEY WANT TO  PURSUE SAID THAT THEY MAY NOT  BE SUBJECT TO THAT SUBSTANTIAL  DAMAGE COSTS BUT THE  SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE CAUSE  EXISTS WHETHER YOU ALL DECIDE  TO SUNSET NONCONFORMING SIGNS  OR NOT.  >> I'M DEFINITELY NOT IN FAVOR  OF HAVING A SIGN REMOVED.  WHETHER YOU'RE AN EXTEND WITH  YOU'RE AN EXISTING PROPERTY  UNTIL 8 MINUTES AND OF USEFUL  LIFE AND THE THE OWNER OF THAT  PROPERTY IN THAT BUSINESS. WE  NEED TO CHANGE OUR THIS IS  THAT'S WHERE I'M AT ON.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER EMERICH.  YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN.  >> YEAH. WE JUST DISCUSSION.  THE SUNSET ARE WE STILL ARE WE  SIGNS AS WELL.  >> WE'RE INCESSANT THAT ARE  NON CONFORMING TIME.  >> JUST A SUNSET ON THE NOTE.  MAKE THAT ONE FLEET. OKAY, BUT  I DO THAT I DO HAVE QUESTIONS  ABOUT THE OTHER STUFF SO LET  ME KNOW WHEN.  >> OKAY I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT  NONCONFORMING SIGNS THEY DO  NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW OUR CURRENT  MAINTENANCE CODE IS THAT WHAT  YOU THEY WILL HAVE TO FOLLOW  THE MAINTENANCE COUNTS. THAT'S  NOT CONFORMING TIME.  >> CORRECT SO MAINTENANCE LIKE  THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY  MAINTENANCE CODE THAT YOU  RECENTLY AND ALL YES,  MAINTENANCE WE CAN AND WE  WANTS THOSE REGULATIONS ARE  ADOPTED WE CANNOT.  >> 2.  >> MODIFIED THEIR SIGN TO MEET  OUR CURRENT REGULATIONS AND  LESS ITS DAMAGE MORE THAN 50%  OF THE MARKET VALUE OF THE  SITE.  >> RIGHT OKAY, THANKS FOR  CLARIFYING THAT THAT MY  CONCERN WAS THAT'S TO FALL  APART. WE CAN DO ANYTHING THAT  JUST BECOMES AROUND CIRCLE AND  TRYING TO GET THAT DONE. AND.  >> YES AND VICE MAYOR  MENTIONED ABOUT OUR BUSINESSES  BUT THEY'RE THEY DON'T HAVE TO  BE FIND THAT ADVERTISE LOCAL  BUSINESSES CORRECT. WE DON'T  HAVE ANY.  >> WHATEVER WHOEVER WANTS THAT  BUT SOMETHING ON THAT SIGN  THOSE BILLBOARDS TIMES WE  HAVEN'T 41.  >> WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT  HERE WE DO NOT HAVE ANY  BILLBOARDS PER MINUTE THROUGH  THE STATE ON 41 IN THE CITY  LIMITS JUST FOR BUSINESSES  THAT WE HAVE THESE ARE JUST  FOR OUR BUSINESS ELSE OKAY.  >> AND WHAT WAS.  >> WHAT IS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS  I'M LIKE WENDY'S. WENDY'S IS A  GOOD EXAMPLE THAT JUST POPPED  INTO MY MIND. BUT THERE ARE  SEVERAL BUSINESSES THAT HAVE  THE THE POLL SIGNS. THEY'RE  TALLER THAN 15 FEET RIGHT.  THEY DO THEY DON'T HAVE THE  ENCLOSED SPACE.  >> THE PROPOSED REGULATIONS  ALSO REQUIRE TO HAVE A  LANDSCAPE THE AREA AROUND THE  BASE OF THE SIGN.  >> TO INCORPORATE THE STREET  THE PROPERTY TO HELP OUR  RESIDENTS TO HELP OUR. OUR EMS  PUBLIC SAFETY WORKERS. NOT  THAT THEY DON'T HAVE GPS BUT  HAVING THAT STREET NUMBER ON A  MONUMENT SIGN CAN BE VERY  HELPFUL TO EVERYONE OKAY.  >> SO THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT  UP ABOUT OUR NEW ADDRESS.  THOSE SIGNS THAT.  >> NEED TO WORKINGS.  >> AND I DON'T KNOW THAT  APPLIES TO LIGHTED SIGNS YOU  KNOW IN SOME OF THE LETTERS GO  OUT. TIES TO AL SO YES, OKAY  AND THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT AS  WELL YES BE OK.  >> THANK THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER LANGDON  SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT FORMING  FOUND NO I'M GOOD MIGHT THE  REST OF MY QUESTIONS ARE ABOUT  THE DOCUMENT ITSELF NOT SO DO  WE WANT THAT HASN'T BEEN A  FORMAL CONSENSUS ON.  >> CAN SENSE AND SO HAT.  >> ASK FOR CONSENSUS TO NOT  REQUIRE A DATE FOR REMOVAL OF  NONCONFORMING SIGNS  >> HAVE A CONSENSUS I MISSION  MCDOWELL NOT HAVE A DATE. A  SUNSET DATE FOR NONCONFORMING  SIGNS.  >> NOT REQUIRE REMOVAL OF  NONCONFORMING SIGNS.  >> SHORELINE I MEAN, YES, I  MEAN, YES.  >> OH YES.  >> COMMISSIONER EMERGE.  >> I MEAN YES ALL RIGHT.  >> DAN. I HAVE THE  PRESENTATION.  >> THANK YOU.  >> THE NEXT CONSENSUS ITEM IS  REGARDING OUTDOOR ADVERTISING  SIGNS ALSO KNOWN AS  BILLBOARDS. BILLBOARDS ARE  REGULATED BY THE STATES UNDER  FLORIDA STATUTES CHAPTER 4.79.  UNDER THE STATE REGULATIONS  THERE CAN BE A BILLBOARD SIGN  PER MINUTE EVERY 1500 LINEAR  FEET FROM ANY OTHER PERMANENT  SIGN ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE  HIGHWAY.  >> THEY LIMIT THE HEIGHT TO 65  FEET AND THEY LIMIT THE  MAXIMUM AREA TO 950 SQUARE  FEET.  >> THE OUTDOOR ADVERTISING  SIGNS ARE PERMITTED BY THE  STATE OF FLORIDA. THAT STATE  OF FLORIDA DOES PERMIT LOCAL  GOVERNMENTS TO ADOPT MORE  RESTRICTIVE REGULATIONS WHICH  THEY WILL CONSIDER HERE TOO  WHEN THEY'RE REVIEWING PERMIT  APPLICATIONS FOR OUTDOOR  ADVERTISING WARNING SIGNS. IN  THE CITY LIMITS ALONG I 75 WE  HAVE 15 EXISTING BILLBOARDS  THAT ARE PROPERLY I HAVE TO  IT. UNDER THE. STATUTES AND  THE REGULATIONS REGARDING  SIGNED SPACING. THE CITY OF  PORT COULD HAVE 78 MORE  BILLBOARDS ON I 75. 78. SO  THAT THE ISSUE WITH THE  BILLBOARD SAYS YOU KNOW THAT  THEY CAN BE A TRAFFIC HAZARD.  IT CAN BE DISTRACTING. MORE  IMPORTANTLY AND I APOLOGIZE IF  THESE IMAGES SHOCKED PEOPLE  MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE CITY CAN  REGULATE CONTENT. THESE SIGNS  CAN A SEXUAL NATURE. THEY CAN  BE DISTRACTING TO DRIVERS THEY  CAN BE OFFENSIVE TO FAMILIES  WITH CHILDREN. THESE SIGNS CAN  ALSO ADDRESS RELIGIOUS AND  SOCIAL ISSUES WHICH AGAIN MAY  BE OFFENSIVE TO SOME NOT SO  OFFENSIVE TO OTHERS TO PENDING  ON THE CONTENT. THEY CAN GET  VERY POLITICAL INCORPORATE  RANGING FROM THE WAR OVERSEAS  TOO. SOCIAL ISSUES MAY OR MAY  NOT AGREE WITH. AND THEN OF  COURSE THE PRESIDENTIAL  POLITICS WHICH DEPENDING ON  THE CONTENT OF THOSE SIGNS MAY  OR MAY NOT BE OFFENSIVE TO  SOME AND THEN NOT OTHERS.  STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE  CONTINUATION OF THE 15  EXISTING BILLBOARDS. THE  REASON BEING THAT UNDER THE  STATUTES REQUIRING REMOVAL OF  THE BILLBOARD IS CONSIDER IT A  TAKING AND THAT YOU AS THE  CITY WOULD NEED TO COMPENSATE.  A BILLBOARD OWNER FOR REMOVAL  OF THE SIGN AND THAT IT'S NOT  JUST FOR THE COST OF THE SIGN  STRUCTURE THAT IS THE COST OF  THEIR LOSS OF IN PALM. OVER  WHATEVER ESTABLISHED YEAR  PERIOD CAN BE SUPPORTED BY  CASE LAW. THERE WAS A TIME  WHEN NATIVE MADE AN EFFORT TO  REMOVE SOME OF THESE, BUT THE  COSTS WERE JUST SO HIGH IN  COMPENSATING THE OWNERS OF  THESE SIGNS THAT THEY JUST  COULDN'T CONTINUE THAT  PROGRAM. THE PLANNING AND  ZONING ADVISORY BOARD ON ALSO  RECOMMENDED THAT THE  COMMISSION PROCEED WITH THE  RETENTION THE 15 ELLPORT AND  TO PROHIBIT ANY ADDITIONAL  OUTDOOR ADVERTISING SIGNAGE ON  >> ALL RIGHT, LET'S HEAR ABOUT  THAT NOW. COMMISSIONER  LANGDON.  >> I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER  TO THIS QUESTION BUT ASK IT  ANYWAY. SO THE ADVERTISER DOES  NOT OWN THE SIGN A SIGN IS  OWNED BY A COMPANY WHO LEASES  THAT SPACE. GENERALLY SO WE  CAN HAVE NO EXPECTATION OF  CERTAIN KINDS OF CONTENT.  >> ARE NOT WE CANNOT OKAY THE  INDIVIDUAL OWNER OF A  BILLBOARD MAY HAVE STANDARDS  THAT THEY IMPOSE ON THEIR LISI  WE CAN GET INVOLVED IN THAT.  WE WE CANNOT TELL SOMEONE WHAT  THE CONTENT OF I MAY BE AND  WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS.  >> THAT'S A **** GOOD. OKAY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> EARLIER YOU HAD MENTIONED  THAT THERE ARE NO SIGNS PORT  CITY LIMITS ON US 41. THERE'S  ONE TO 2 TIMES REALLY CLOSE IF  NOT IN THE CITY LIMITS ITS  RIGHT LIKE ON THE COSTS SO.  >> WITH THAT SAID. WHAT IF  THAT PROPERTY GETS ANNEXED  INTO THE CITY ARE THERE  PROVISIONS IN THIS CODE. FOR  THOSE POTENTIAL ANNEXATIONS  FOR THAT SIDE BECAUSE THIS  YOU'RE SAYING IS ONLY ON 75.  FORWARD THINKING WHAT IS THE  RAMIFICATIONS FOR 41.  >> WELL THE RAMIFICATIONS FOR  41 AS THEY WOULD NO LONGER BE  PERMISSIBLE SIGNS AND THE CITY  LIMITS ANYWHERE BESIDES 75  WHERE WE'RE ALLOWING THE  CONTINUATION OF THE 15 COURTS.  >> WHAT ABOUT THE ONE SIGN  SIGN THAT'S ON ANNEXED  PROPERTY THAT COMES INTO THE  CITY AND WE WANT ALL THE  NONCONFORMING BECAUSE IT  WASN'T BECAUSE IT WASN'T  INCORPORATED IN THE 15  BILLBOARDS PROVISION, AND IT  CAME INTO THE CITY LIMITS  AFTER ADOPTION OF REGULATIONS  AND WOULD THEREFORE BE  CONSIDERED NONCONFORMING.  >> SO THEY CAN REMAIN AND UP  UNTIL NEEDS THAT 50%  THRESHOLD, CORRECT. I WOULD  DEFINITELY WILL GET A  CONSENSUS BUT I'M DEFINITELY  NOT IN FAVOR OF HAVING 78  MORE. POINTS. OKAY VICE MAYOR.  >> I ALSO FIRST AMENDMENT  RIGHTS QAEDA SORT OF. TONS OUR  AGENTS WILL BOARD SIGNS ALONG  75 NORTH PORT DOESN'T TURN ME  ON UNLESS IT'S A BUC-EE'S IN  WHICH OK WITH 75 BUC-EE'S OR  SOUTH THE BORDER SAID THE  SIGNS BUT OTHER THAN THAT  SERIOUSNESS. I AM. I'M GOOD  WITH 59 ITS FISH  >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER  EMERGE.  >> I'M COMING ALL RIGHT.  >> PROPERTY OR THESE  BILLBOARDS THAT DOT PROPERTY.  AND WHO RECEIVES THE MONEY FOR  THE RENTALS OF BILLBOARDS.  >> THE OWNERS OF THE  BILLBOARDS WHO HAVE GRANTED  PERMITS TO PLACE THE  BILLBOARDS ON 75 THROUGH THE  STATE.  >> UK AND THEN HOW CAN WE AS A  CITY DICTATE TO DOT WHAT THEY  CAN AND CANNOT DO ON THEIR  PROPERTY.  >> WE ARE TO EITHER. PROHIBIT  ANY ADDITIONAL SIGNS ON 75  WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. OR  ADOPT MORE STRINGENT  REGULATIONS AND THE STATE  CURRENTLY IMPOSES AND  STATUTES. WE DAY SO WE ARE  AUTHORIZED UNDER THE STATE  CONSTITUTION UNDER THE FLORIDA  STATUTES TO REGULATE SIGNAGE  AS A MUNICIPAL CORPORATION.  >> YOU CANNOT REGULATE.  CONTENT.  >> THAT THEY'RE PUTTING OUT  THERE THOUGH CORRECT IT CANNOT  REGULATE THE CONTENT WE CAN  REGULATE LOCATION.  >> HI SIZE.  >> NUMBER. WE CANNOT REGULATE  CONTENT.  >> RIGHT THAT'S WHAT I'M  TRYING TO GET IDEAS. IT'S KIND  OF HARD WITH WITH THAT. ONE  DOT IS PROPERTY. I KNOW IT'S  OUR CITY. BUT THEN AGAIN  THAT'S JUST A TOUGH I'D BE A  NO ON NOT PUTTING OUT ANYMORE,  BUT I JUST WANT TO GET THAT  OUT THERE SO EVERYBODY KNOWS  WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH GOING  FORWARD. THANK YOU. GOING OFF  THAT.  >> AT DISCUSSION THAT.  >> ALL THE BILLBOARDS ARE ON  FDOT PROPERTY.  >> THAT WHAT YOU SAID, YES.  >> THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT 75  IN SUMTER. I REMEMBER WHEN THE  PEOPLE WHO OWN THAT PROPERTY  AT AND TO THE CITY PROCESSING.  PLANNING IN ORDER TO PUT BOARD  UP THERE SO DID IS THAT AS  PART OF THE PROCESS THEY MAKE  THE MADE THE APPLICATION THE  FDA.  >> DOT TOOK IT OVER YOU KNOW  WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT  BILLBOARD THAT'S RIGHT THERE  RIGHT I NEED TO LOOK CLOSER  INTO THE BILLBOARDS THAT WE  PRESENTED ON THE SLIDE HAVE  FDOT PERMITS AND IT WAS MY  UNDERSTANDING THEY WERE ALL ON  FDOT RIGHT OF I NEED TO LOOK  CLOSER TO DETERMINE IF THAT IS  INDEED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY  REGARDLESS SO IF IT'S ON  PRIVATE PROPERTY OR FDOT RIGHT  AWAY. IT STILL WOULD FALL ON  THEIR THE RESTRICTIONS. THIS  ALLOWING ANY ADDITIONAL.  >> ALSO DEPENDING ON WHEN THAT  BILLBOARD SIGN CAME TO THE  CITY FOR APPROVAL, I'M NOT  SURE WHEN THAT WAS WHAT  REGULATIONS MAY HAVE IN PLACE  AT TIME. CURRENTLY THOUGH FDOT  CONTROLS HE RECEIVES AN  OUTDOOR ADVERTISING PERMIT FOR  BELLPORT.  >> BECAUSE I HAVE SOME  PERSONAL CONNECTION WITH THAT  BOARD BECAUSE THAT ARSAL.  >> I WAS LIKE 9798 THEY HAD.  TRAINS FROM THAT SITE MORE  THAN THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO AND  THE CITY ACTUALLY HAD TO GO TO  COURT.  >> IT'S REMEMBER THAT THAT WAS  A PRIVATE OWNER WHO HAD THAT  THE PROPERTY BUT REGARDLESS  DOESN'T MATTER YOU'RE SAYING  WHETHER IT'S FDOT ARE  PRIVATELY OWNED THESE  REGULATIONS WOULD APPLY. AFTER  THAT OKAY. THANK YOU. I WOULD  BE IN FAVOR OF KEEPING THE 15  THAT WE HAVE AND NOT HAVING  ANYTHING ELSE.  >> YES, MA'AM WE WE ASSUMED  THAT WOULD BE THE CASE AND  THAT'S ONE OF THE DRAFT IS  WRITTEN THE WAY IT IT HOWEVER  IT IS A POLICY QUESTION AND WE  WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU  HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH  IN AND MAKE THE DETERMINATION.  THAT WAS THE DIRECTION YOU  WANT FOR THE CITY TO GO. OKAY  AND.  >> AND I'M ALSO REMINDED YES,  I'M DATING MYSELF BACK IN THE  1960'S LADY BIRD JOHNSON HAD  THIS WHOLE BIG CAMPAIGN UNIFY  OUR HIGHWAYS BECAUSE THEY WERE  BEING CLUTTERED WITH ALL THE  SIGNS HOW THEY GOT THEY WE'RE  ABLE TO REMOVE SIGNS THAT  PEOPLE HAVE BEEN OUT THERE BUT  THAT'S WHAT I ENVISIONED 75  MORE SIGNS ON WITH JUST JUST  BE LOOKING AT THAT. I'M TO SEE  SO.  >> BUT CONSENSUS YES,  COMMISSIONER QUESTION KIND OF  PIGGYBACKS OFF OF YOUR POINTS  ABOUT THAT ONE SIGN AND SOME  TURNED 75.  >> WITH ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL  PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALONG 75.  THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY IN THE  CITY LIMITS OUTSIDE OF FDOT  KNEES RIGHT AWAY. IF LET'S SAY  I OWNED ONE OF THOSE  PROPERTIES COULD I PUT UP THE  SIGN. THAT IS POLITICAL IN  NATURE  >> ANYTHING LIKE THAT IT COULD  PUT UP A 12 SQUARE-FOOT  PERSONAL EXPRESSION SIGN ON  YOUR OWN PROPERTY.  >> SO I WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO  PUT UP THE BILLBOARD OF SORTS  KNOW THAT THE PASSER BUYS  COULD SEE.  >> NOW OUR CAR AND I WANT TO  MAKE SURE THAT IN IT BECAUSE  WE DO HAVE A TON PROPERTY  FRONT'S YES SO THEY WOULD BE  LIMITED TO THE SIGNAGE  ALLOWABLE.  >> UNDER OUR REGULATIONS BASED  ON THE LINEAR FRONT FOOT IMAGE  UP THEIR PROPERTY AND BE  LIMITED TO THE MONUMENT TYPE  SIGN. 15 FEET HIGH AND  WHATEVER SQUARE FOOTAGE  ALLOCATION THEY WOULD BE  ALLOWED ON AND MAKE SURE ALL  REGULATIONS. AND LAST  ELSEWHERE PREEMPTED BY THE  STATE GET.  >> WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT  ON THIS. OKAY I'M LOOKING FOR  CONSENSUS. I MAKE A CONSENSUS  IT.  >> TO NOT ALLOW ADDITIONAL  BILLBOARDS.  >> FOR THE 15 EXISTING  BILLBOARDS ON 75.  >> ALL RIGHT SO THAT'S THE  CONSENSUS VICE YES. I MEAN,  YES. YES AND COMMISSIONER  EMERGE.  >> I'M I'M A YES ON THAT BUT I  HAVE OKAY, WHAT IF WHAT WHAT  IF ONE OF THOSE BILLBOARDS  CHANGE TO THIS CONTENT AND IT  TURNS INTO SOMETHING ELSE. SO  WELL.  >> HA THEY CAN CHANGE THEIR  CONTENTS ALL THE TIME. THE  STRUCTURES WILL REMAIN UNDER  THE REGULATIONS. THE CONTENT  WILL CONTINUE TO CHANGE OVER  TIME AS IT ALWAYS HAS.  >> GUY JUST WANTED THAT OUT  THERE BECAUSE THE CONTENT CAN  CHANGE.  >> OKAY, BUT YOU KNOW YOU  KNOW, FOR OKAY, YEAH, I MEAN,  YES. ALL RIGHT SO YOU HAVE  YOUR.  >> CONSENSUS FOR BOTH OF  THOSE.  >> CORRECT. YES, MA'AM NOW DO  WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT.  THE GUEST I HAD QUESTION  ABOUT. OUR BACKUP IS THERE  SOMETHING MY IS THERE A CAGE  PUT YOU KNOW YOU HAVE ASSIGN  TYPE IT AT THAT  >> THERE. ANOTHER THAT'S  THAT'S THAT.  >> THAT IS ALL AND  PRESENTATION MA'AM. WE WANTED  TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT  THE SITE TYPE TABLES LOOK  LIKE. THEY'RE POLY  INCORPORATED AND OUR STANDARDS  DISTRICTS ACTIVITY CENTER  ZONING DISTRICT AND VILLAGE.  SO DISTRICT AND THE TEXT OF  THE SIGN REGULATION THAT'S WHY  SAW THEM. OKAY THANK YOU.  >> ALL SO ON TO GENERAL  QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS. JEFF I  SHOPPED VICE MAYOR. I WOULD  LIKE TO TALK  >> SUBJECT OF. TEMPORARY SIGNS  IN THE RIGHT WAY. THAT'S AN  ALL OF OURS HAHA. I MEAN CITY.  CAN PUT UP SIGNS TO PROMOTE  ANY SORT PARK AND RECREATIONAL  ACTIVITY ANYWHERE. IT WANTS  BECAUSE ACTUALLY YOU KNOW  LANDIS CITY'S LAND ONE COULD  MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT CITIZENS  OWN CITY. AND SO WE HAVE A LOT  OF NON ORGANIZATIONS THAT  PROMOTE ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT  OUR CITY BENEFIT OUR CITIZENS.  IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE COULD  FIND A WAY AND THIS. YOU KNOW  SIGN ORDINANCE. AND ABILITY.  >> FOR PERMITS OR WHATEVER YOU  WANT TO FOR FOLKS WHO. ARE  RUNNING ACTIVITIES. WE'RE  GOING TO DO SPECIAL EVENTS  THAT ARE CITIZENS WILL BENEFIT  FROM NOT EVERYBODY USES SOCIAL  MEDIA ARE ASSIGNED US TO  BELIEVE AND AS MANY PEOPLE AS  SAID AS THEY DRIVE UP AND DOWN  41 AS THEY DRIVE. ALONG. OUR  MAIN ARTERIAL ROADS THEY SEE  SIGNS THAT SAY GET THIS IS  COMING UP ON SATURDAY. THEY  SEE IT ALL THE TIME WITH CITY  EVENTS BUT I THINK FROM THE  CHAMBERS TO THE KIWANIS TO A  WHOLE HOST NONPROFITS AND  OTHER GROUPS. I DON'T SEE ANY  REASON WHY WE CAN'T FIND A WAY  TO ACCOMMODATE EVEN IF WE PULL  PICK SELECTED. WAIT YOU RIGHT  WAYS AROUND OUR CITY WILL ON  THE ULTERIOR ABOVE ME BUT  ROADS. I DON'T SEE ANY REASON  WHY IT MAY BE A LITTLE MAYBE A  LITTLE BIT OF PAIN IN THE IT  MAY PEOPLE DON'T TAKE THEM  DOWN IN A TIME RECESSION AND  WE HAVE TO PULL MORE CELLS,  BUT IT JUST SEEMS TO ME. WE  WANT TO ACCOMMODATE THIS IT'S  FOR THE BEST INTERESTS OF OUR  COMMUNITY AND OUR AND OUR  CITIZENS AND HELPED CITY CAN  DO IT WHY CAN'T PEOPLE IT.  WELL I CAN'T THE OTHERS WOULD  SO I YOU KNOW. I GET THAT THAT  YOU KNOW DISCUSSION ON BOTH  SIDES OF THIS BUT BUT I I  JUST. I JUST THINK WE REALLY  REALLY SHOULD. FIND A WAY TO  ACCOMMODATE.  >> OKAY SO I I WILL. I WILL  TRY TO ADDRESS THE.  >> SUBSTANTIAL ISSUES  TEMPORARY SIGNS AND THE PUBLIC  RIGHT OF WAY. THE LARGEST  ISSUE THE EQUAL PROTECTION  ISSUE. IT WILL TOUCH THE LAW.  WE CANNOT SELECTIVELY APPROVE  SIGNS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY WE  CANNOT. WE CANNOT ADOPT A  REGULATION THAT ALLOWS A  NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION OR THE  BOYS AND GIRLS CA OR THE YMCA  OR WHOM EVER SPORTS LEAGUE  MIGHT BE OFFERING  THESE ACTIVITIES. WE CANNOT  SELECTIVELY ALLOW THEM. TO  PLACE SIGNS ON THE PUBLIC  RIGHT OF WAY AND NOT ALLOW  EVERYONE ELSE YORK'S THAT'S  COMPANY.  >> YOUR CONTRACTOR HERE WE BUY  HOUSES.  >> HERE ARE YOUR TREE REMOVAL,  YOU ARE. EXPLETIVE  COMMISSIONER SO AND SO. WE  CANNOT SELECTIVELY AUTHORIZE  SIGNAGE AND THE PUBLIC RIGHT  OF WAY BASED ON.  >> AS PLACING THE SIGNAGE. AND  BASED WHAT THAT SIGNAGE SETS.  WE CANNOT IT COMES DOWN TO AN  ALL OR NOTHING. THE CITY CAN  AUTHORIZE ANYONE TO PLACE AND  THE SIGN AND ANY PUBLIC RIGHT  OF WAY. OR WE CAN ALLOW NOT.  NOW YOU COULD IDENTIFY  SPECIFIC CORRIDORS WHERE  TEMPORARY SIGNAGE AND THE  RIGHT OF WAY IS PERMISSIBLE.  YOU'LL HAVE TO PROVIDE EQUAL  PROTECTION. YOU CANNOT SAY  WELL IF  THIS IS A NONPROFIT SIGNED IT  CAN BE 12 SQUARE FEET AND IF  IT'S A COMMERCIAL ADVERTISING  SIGN IT CAN ONLY BE 3 SQUARE  FEET. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE EQUAL  PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW WE  HAVE TO TREAT.  >> EACH.  >> ORGANIZATION BUSINESS.  RESIDENT, THIS SAME.  >> WITH THAT YOU CAN AND WITH  THE PROLIFERATION OF SIGNS AT  THIS TRACK TO MOTORISTS. AND  PETE YOU'RE PEDESTRIANS.  CREATES MAINTENANCE ISSUES FOR  OUR PUBLIC WORKS STAFF. AND SO  IT DOES COME DOWN TO THAT  POLICY QUESTION.  >> HOW MUCH DOES THE  COMMISSION WANT TO ALLOW SO IF  WE TRY TO THINK OUTSIDE THE  BOX AND A NONPROFIT WANTS TO  RUN INTO AND IT COMES TO THE  CITY BECAUSE IF THE ROLE CITY  LIKES TO PARTNER WITH ITS NON  PROFITS AND SAYS WHAT THE  CITY. ADVERTISE THIS EVENT. SO  WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS  THERE ARE NO SIGNS IN THE  RIGHT WAY, BUT WHAT IF THE  CITY CHOSE TO ADVERTISE AND  EVENT FOR SOMEBODY COULD YOU  DO THAT. LEGALLY.  >> THAT IS A QUESTION FOR OUR  CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND OUR  OUTSIDE COUNSEL YOU'RE LIKELY  STILL GOING TO RUN THE RISK OF  EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE ISSUES  BECAUSE OF ACT THAT YOU'RE  SELECTIVELY DETERMINING. THE  GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PLAY  SIGNAGE ON THE AND SO YOU KNOW  WE WE CAN RUN ELECTIVE WHEN  THE CITY TURNS AROUND AND SAYS  IT'S RUNNING.  >> A CITY EVENT ON CITY GREEN  AND IT PUTS UP SIGNS IN THE  ROSE CITY GRAND IT'S NOT A  RIGHT OF WAY CITY AGREED A  PROPERTY WHEREVER THE RIGHT  AWAY AND THAT'S I'M SAYING IS  IF THE CITY TO PROPERTY. CITY  WANTS TO ADVERTISE IT.  REGARDLESS OF WHETHER IT'S AN  EVENT THAT THE CITY IS RUNNING  OR WHETHER ANYONE ELSE IS  RUNNING AND DOESN'T THAT  EXEMPTED FROM THIS IT WILL  PROTECTION. I MEAN YOU CAN'T  TELL ME THAT WE CAN'T FIGURE  OUT A WAY TO SKIN THIS CAP  OTHERWISE. I'D LET ANYBODY  WITH SIGNS EVERYWHERE WE AGAIN  THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT SO SO  WHEN WHEN THE KKK COMES TO THE  CITY.  >> AND I WANT YOU TO. ON TO  THIS EVENT WITH ME.  >> AND PUT MY SIGNS AND THE  RIGHT OF WAY AND WE SAY NOW.  BECAUSE OF WHO THEY ARE AND  WHAT THE SIGNS SAY. ARE WE  FACING CHALLENGE.  >> THAT'S THE RISK YOU I  CHECKED THERE STILL A  CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF  RIGHTS SAID YOU KNOW WHAT MUCH  AS I FIND IT COUPLE. IF THAT  WERE TO BE THE CASE AND SO BE  IT THINK OF THE HUNDREDS OF  BUSINESSES. AND CITIZENS  GROUPS AND NONPROFITS THAT  WANT THE ABILITY TO ADVERTISE  THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT IT IS  IMPACTFUL THE CHAMBER. ONE ONE  OF A HOST OF ORGANIZATIONS ARE  GOING TO SERIOUSLY IMPACTED BY  THE INABILITY TO PUT SIGNAGE  IN THE RIGHT AWAY WHAT ABOUT  POLITICAL WHAT WHAT ABOUT  ELECTED OFFICIALS ARE THEY NOT  GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS I  JUST DON'T SEE THAT THIS IS  THE RIGHT DIRECTION TO GO I  JUST DON'T SEE IT AND AND I  THINK THAT YOU KNOW IF SOME  WANTS TO RUN SOMETHING THAT  YOU KNOW IS IT I MEAN I AGREE  WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULDN'T  ALLOW SIGNS EVERYWHERE BECAUSE  8 MILLION YOU KNOW LONG SIGNS  AND ISO HOUSES BUYING HOUSES  FOR CASH. LOOKS TERRIBLE. BUT  YOU CAN SKIN THIS CAT BY COME  BEFORE THE CITY AND YOU KNOW  DON'T LIKE ASKS THE DOING OF  IT. WHERE DO YOU DRAW THAT  LINE THERE IS A CONSTITUTION  THERE IS A BILL OF RIGHTS  PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO GO TO  WHAT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO  IF THEY WANT TO PUT A SIGN  RIGHT AWAY YOU CAN DESIGNATE  THOSE AREAS THE RIGHT AWAY  DOESN'T HAVE TO BE EVERY RIGHT  AWAY BUT. WE ARE JUST SO  IMPACTING THOSE GROUPS THAT  SUPPORT OUR CITY WORK FOR OUR  CITY AND THE WHOLE POLICY OF  SAYING THAT CITY CAN DO IT BUT  THEY CAN'T I JUST DON'T BUY. I  JUST DON'T  >> THAT'S I CAN MENTION THAT  STEPS AND CAN'T IF PARENTS  CONSENT SENSE WANTS THE  COMMISSION TO. POTENTIALLY  PROCEED IN THAT MANNER. WE CAN  CERTAINLY PUT THE QUESTION OUT  TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL. HOWEVER  IT YOU KNOW IT MAY OR MAY NOT  BE A PROVISION THAT IS  INCORPORATED INTO THE SIGN  REGULATIONS THAT MAY BE.  >> SOMETHING ELSE ENTIRELY.  BUT THE BUT THE POINT IS IS  THAT THE THE OTHER WAY TO SKIN  THE CAT. MAYBE A SLIPPERY  SLOPE AND IT'S NOT SOMETHING  THAT I THINK THE LAND I WANT  TO SPEAK TO OR MAKE  RECCOMENDATIONS SONG WITHOUT  HEARING FROM OUR LEGAL  COUNSEL.  >> MISTER MAYOR. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL HAS BEEN WAITING.  THAT I GO AFTER OR THAT'S FINE  I JUST GOT SAME FOR THE SAME  TOPIC SO WHEN SHE'S DONE  PLEASE, OKAY SURE.  >> AND I'M I'M GOING TO BE SO  THE COMMISSION BACK IN  FEBRUARY OF 2023 SAID OK WE'RE  NOT GOING ALLOW TEMPORARY  SIGNS IN THE RIGHT WAY THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT IS NOT  ALLOWED TO PUT EVENT SIGNS IN  THE RIGHT WAY. AND FOR A  LITTLE WHILE THERE THEY KIND  FORGOT THAT BUT THEN WE'RE  REMINDED AND HAVE NO LONGER  BEEN PUTTING IN CITY EVENT  SIGNS IN THE RIGHT AWAY WHICH  REALLY IS NO BENEFIT ANYBODY.  I MEAN THAT HURRICANE EXPO  WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY GREAT  EVENT TO REALLY HAVE  ADVERTISING IN THE RIGHT AWAY.  BUT YES WE MADE THE WORLD IF  THE NONPROFITS CANNED NEITHER  CAN THE CITY AND FOR THAT  REASON BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE  DO USE THOSE SIGNS AS ONE OF  OUR PUBLIC COMMENTERS ARE  DON'T PUBLIC COMMENTER SAID  EARLIER.  >> THAT YOU SEE THE SIGN YOU  KIND OF GO. OH THAT SOUNDS  LIKE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT OUR  GO TO THE EXPO.  >> ALL RIGHT.  >> WE USED TO ALLOW. THOSE  KIND OF ADVERTISING'S I  PERMIT.  SO LET'S SAY BEEN PICKED ON  THE CHAMBER, NO OFFENSE  CHAMBER, IF YOU'RE LISTENING.  THE CHAMBER IS HOSTING EVENT.  THEY'RE HOSTING  THE EVENT AND THEY HAVE TO GET  A SPECIAL EVENT. HER MATE TO  HOST THAT EVENT BECAUSE IT'S  OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IT WAS A  PROVISION IN THAT APPLICATION  ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SITE AND  THE COMMISSION APPROVED ALL OF  THIS PAPERWORK. THEY SAY YES  WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIGNS THEY  WERE ISSUED A LITTLE STICKER  THAT SAID THAT S P X 2, 4,  DASH 0, 1, 0, SHOWED WHAT THAT  PERMIT NUMBERS ASSOCIATED WITH  AND THEY WERE ALLOWED TO PUT  SIGNS OUT. BECAUSE THEY WERE  HAVING A SPECIAL EVENT THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT THE SPECIAL  EVENT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH  THE SAME APPLICATION PROCESS.  THEY CAN SAY YES WE'RE GOING  TO HAVE SIGNED AND THEY CAN  PUT SIGNS UP TO. IN MY OPINION  WHEN WE HAD OUR FEBRUARY 28TH  COMMISSION MEETING LAST YEAR.  IN THE LEGISLATIVE TEXT IT  SAID THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY  HAS BEEN ASKED. TO PROVIDE A  LEGAL OPINION AS TO WHETHER  THE ACTION TO DISCONTINUE  ISSUING PERMITS FOR SIGNS IN  THE RIGHT WAY WAS AN  APPROPRIATE ACTION AND WHAT  OPTIONS WERE AVAILABLE TO THE  COMMISSION. SO I ASKED THE  CITY ATTORNEY. COULD YOU  PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR LEGAL  OPINION. COULD YOU PLEASE  PROVIDE WHAT SOME OF THOSE  OTHER ACTIONS WE COULD TAKE.  SHE WAS NOT. SHE RESPONDED I  DID NOT DRAFT A LEGAL OPINION  I THINK RIGHT THEN AND THERE  IS THE FIRST THING WE NEED TO  DO. WE NEED TO GET A LEGAL  OPINION TO SEE IF THE CITY CAN  ISSUE A PERMIT IT. 4 SIGNED  WHEN THERE IS A SPECIAL EVENT.  THAT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC  THAT WOULD KILL THE RULING  SITE BECAUSE IT'S NOT A  SPECIAL EVENT. SO I REALLY  THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE  REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT. SEE  ABOUT GETTING THAT LEGAL  OPINION. AND IF WE CAN  REGULATE CONTENT AND  DIRECTIONAL SIGNS. WELL I'M  SORRY MY YARD SALE SIGN IN  RIGHT AWAY IS A DIRECTIONAL  SIGN HAS AN ARROW POINTING TO  MY HOUSE FOR MY YARD TO THEY  HAVE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS THAT  ALLOWED THE CITY TO SHOW WHERE  THE FIRE STATION IS AND BY NO  MEANS AM I SAYING MY FOR MY  YARD SALE IS MORE IMPORTANT IN  A FIRE STATION LOCATION BUT AT  THE SAME TIME ITS CONTENT. AND  I GET THAT THERE ARE CERTAIN  SIGNS IN THE RIGHT WAY THAT  THE GOVERNMENT TO HAVE STOP  SIGNS FIRE STATION SIGNS THAT  KIND OF STUFF. BUT AT THE SAME  TIME MY YARD SALE SIGN UP FOR  3 HOURS ON SATURDAY NOT  HARMING MISSILE. THEIR SO I'M  JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE.  AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN SEE ABOUT  GETTING A CONSENSUS TO HAVE  THE CITY ATTORNEY DRAFT THAT  LEGAL OPINION ABOUT PERMITS  FOR SPECIAL EVENTS ALL RIGHT  LET'S HEAR COMMISSIONER  AMRIDGE.  >> EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GONE  WAS THERE USED TO BE ABLE TO  DO THAT NOW IS THE SECTION AND  SPECIAL PERMIT TO GO OUT THERE  FOR LOCATION STUFF LIKE THAT.  MY MAIN POINT IS IF WE WANT TO  CONSIDER OURSELVES A COMMUNITY  OF UNITY. AND WE HAVE  ORGANIZATIONS OUT THERE THAT  WANT TO PUT ON SOME TYPE OF  SHOW OR WHATEVER FOR THEIR  COMMUNITY. IT'S AWFUL HARD FOR  THEM ADVERTISE. THEY PAY THEIR  MONEY FOR THE SPECIAL PERMIT  THERE IS NO OTHER MEANS OF  ADVERTISEMENT BACK YOU AND IN  THIS DOCUMENT THEY PROPOSE  THAT YEAH THERE ARE  ALTERNATIVES ADVERTISING IN. I  DO BELIEVE IT'S A YEAH YOU CAN  PUT IT ON AM RADIO. YOU CAN  USE A PHONE BOOK. OR CABLE  TELEVISION. THAT'S JUST GOING  UP THE COST OF THAT ON CABLE  TELEVISION AND I'D LIKE TO SEE  ANYBODY THAT HAS A PREGNANT  PHONE BOOK TO BE ABLE TO DO IT  BY YOU KNOW SPECIAL PERMIT IS  FINE IF NOT I SAY OPEN UP THE  GATES AND LET THEM ALL GO OUT  THERE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT  ALLOWING OUR CITIZENS TO BE  ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO  DO IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY.  WHEN PASS THIS ORDINANCE LAST  YEAR WE'VE SEEN THE PROBLEM WE  DID SEE GOVERNMENT SIGNS OUT  THERE INSTEAD OF NONPROFITS  ADVERTISING WARES UNTIL  REMINDED AND AGAIN. IN THIS  NEW ORDINANCE SAYS THE  GOVERNMENT EXAM SO THERE WE GO  AGAIN EVERY THE GOVERNMENT CAN  DO IT BUT NOBODY ELSE CAN.  >> THAT THIS THIS IS BAD AND  IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE 7 THAT'S  ALL.  >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER  LANGDON. I HAVE ALL KINDS OF  OTHER QUESTIONS BUT I'LL STICK  WITH I SOME DECISION MIGHT  COME OUT OF THAT. EITHER  EVERYBODY DOES OR NO ONE DOES  THAT INCLUDING THE CITY IN  TERMS OF THE RIGHT OF WAY. I  DO LIKE THE IDEA IN THE  CONTEXT OF A SPECIAL EVENT. IT  WOULD BE A SINE SECTION THAT  WOULD HAVE TO GET APPROVED, SO  I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER MC  DOWELL I WOULD LIKE TO GET A  LEGAL OPINION ON THAT. BECAUSE  I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT  OF PROBLEMS. I I COULD NOT  SUPPORT ALLOWING ANYONE TO DO  IS SIGN ON ANY RIGHT OF WAY IT  PUTS JUMP GATE. BUT ALSO FROM  A MARKETING PERSPECTIVE. DOES  IT HELP IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD  CAUSE YOU SO TO SEE THIS  MASSIVE CONTENT YOU DON'T SEE  ANYBODY'S INDIVIDUAL MESSAGE  SO. I WOULD NEXT ALLOWING  EVERYONE EVERYWHERE. IF WE'RE  NOT ALLOWING ANYONE ANYWHERE  AND THAT SHOULD INCLUDE  SENATE. BUT I AM INTERESTED IN  THAT SPECIAL PERMIT APPROACH  SOME LOT OF PROBLEMS.  >> 2 IF THE CITY COMMISSION  WANTS TO PROHIBIT IT. CITY  DEPARTMENTS FROM STATES SIGNS  AND THE RIGHT OF WAY. I WOULD  RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THAT AS A  POLICY DECISION NOT BY  INCORPORATING ANY REGULATION  OF GOVERNMENT SPEECH AND OUR  SIGN REGULATIONS ARE OUTSIDE  COUNSEL SPECIFICALLY.  RECOMMENDED EXEMPT AND  GOVERNMENT SPEECH FROM OUR  SIGN REGULATIONS. SO THE  COMMISSION COULD ADOPT A  POLICY RESTRICTS PLACEMENT OF  GOVERNMENT SIGNAGE AND THE  RIGHT OF WAY. AND YOU KNOW AS  TO THE SIGNAGE APPROVAL WITH A  SPECIAL EXCEPTION PERMIT AT.  >> YOU'RE BACK TO EQUAL  PROTECTION. YOU'RE ALLOWING  FOR A CERTAIN ORGANIZATION  UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES.  >> 2.  >> PROVIDED WITH AN  OPPORTUNITY HER SPEECH ON  PUBLIC PROPERTY. BUT YOU'RE  NOT ALLOWING ANYONE ELSE TO DO  SO. YOU KNOW WE'RE HAPPY TO  GET THAT LEGAL OPINION BUT IT  DOES COME BACK TO THAT EQUAL  PROTECTION. IS EVERYONE IN THE  SAME.  >> ADDITIONALLY THE U.S.  SUPREME COURT. RECOGNIZED IN  THEIR RULINGS DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN GOVERNMENT SPEECH  GOVERNMENT SIGNS AND PRIVATE  SPEECH IN PRIVATE SITES WHEN  IT COMES TO PUBLIC RIGHT OF  WAYS THE U.S. SUPREME COURT  RECOGNIZED THE NEED FOR  GOVERNMENT INTO THESE TO BE  ABLE TO PLACE SIGNS ON BIG  GOVERNMENT OWNED PROPERTY AND  WHY WE SAY SOME OF CITIZENS.  REALLY OWNED BY THE ENTITY OF  THE GOVERNMENT AND THERE IS US  SUPREME COURT RECOGNIZED  DIFFERENCE BETWEEN  ADVERTISING. FOR INSTANCE, A  HURRICANE EXPO. THAT TARGETS  THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. AND  BENEFITS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY  BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE. BUSINESS  AND EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY  OWNER IN EVERY SINGLE RENTER  IN THE CITY NEEDS TO  UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF  HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS. A  PRIVATE ENTITY THAT'S  TARGETING. ONLY CERTAIN PEOPLE  FOR A CERTAIN EVENT MIGHT BE  INTERESTED IN A CERTAIN  ACTIVITY. IF YOU DO NOT IT.  BUT EXEMPTION ON GOVERNMENT  SIGNS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND  THAT TAKES OUT STREET SIGNS  STOP SIGNS. TRAFFIC SIGNALS.  ALL OF THE DIRECTIONAL SIGNS.  THE GOVERNMENT. YOU CAN'T SAY  JUST STREET SIGN WE'RE JUST  YOU KNOW A CERTAIN TYPE OF  GOVERNMENT SIGN. IN THE  ORDINANCE IT USED TO SAY  GOVERNMENT SIGNS ARE EXEMPT  AND THEN THEN WE WOULD  RECOMMEND IF THE. COMMISSION  WANTS TO ENSURE THAT THAT  SIGNS ARE NOT PUT IN THE RIGHT  OF WAY DO THAT THROUGH A  POLICY OTHERWISE WE WILL RUN  INTO THE PROBLEM ALL  GOVERNMENT SIGNS AND THAT ARE  STOP SIGNS THAT YOU YOU SIGNED  YOUR STREET SIGNS. IN OTHER  SIDE THAT IS IS NECESSARY TO  BE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR  ROAD CLOSED. CONSTRUCTION  WORKERS.  >> I JUST WANT TO GET OUT  THERE. I DON'T SUBSCRIBE TO  THINKING THAT FOR THE GOOSE IS  GOOD GANDER AS YOU SAID  CITY-OWNED PROPERTY. NOT  NECESSARILY PUBLIC. PROPERTY  MEANING PEOPLE CAN JUST DO  WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH WITH  OUR RIGHT AWAY AS WE DON'T  PERMIT THAT THEY DON'T PEOPLE  TO. RIGHT THAT END. YOU KNOW  ON THE RIGHT AWAY AND SAY MY  PROPERTY I CAN DO THAT. AND  THAT. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO  HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE. SO  ORGANIZE. THOSE ROADWAYS ARE  MAINTAIN AND HOW THEY'RE  CONTROLLED AND AGAIN IF IT'S  SOMETHING THAT IS FOR THE  BETTERMENT OF OUR SYSTEM HERE.  PUTTING OUT A SIGN. THAT IT  SHOULD ALLOWED SHOULD EVEN BE  A QUESTION, SORRY ABOUT  COMPARING THAT TO PUTTING AN  EVENT I AM ONE SITTING UP HERE  WHO CAN ATTEST PUTTING ON  SPECIAL EVENTS AND INVOLVES  ONE FOR 27 YEARS THE HULL  PERMIT FOR SIGNS HOW THAT HAS  EVOLVED IN THE CITY AT ONE  TIME WE DID HAVE TO GO BEFORE  THE COMMISSION AND ACTION.  SERVE AND AND WE PUT OUT THE  SIGNS FOR EVENT AND THEN IF  PUBLIC WORKS DIDN'T GET THE  MEMO THAT THEY APPROVED IT  THEY WOULD ALL THE SIGNS SO  THAT'S WHEN WE FINALLY GOT  INTO OUR MONEY WITH THE  SPECIAL EVENT. IT THAT YOU HAD  TO. BUT A LIST WHERE EXACTLY  YOU'RE PUTTING THE SIGN WERE  GIVEN THE PUBLIC WORKS BUT NOW  THIS HAS BEEN APPROVED THIS  JUST SOMEBODY RANDOMLY STUCK.  A SIGN. AND THEN RIGHT AWAY  THAT CAME WITH ALL KINDS OF  STIPULATIONS THE HEAVY SO MANY  FEET FROM THE ROAD AND AND THE  WHOLE BIT. I ALSO WANT TO  BRING UP THAT THE CITY OF  VENICE HAS A PRETTY GOOD  SYSTEM IN PLACE FOR THERE.  SIGNS FOR EVENT THEY HAVE TO  BE CONNECTED WITH A SPECIAL  EVENT THAT THEY HAVE CERTAIN  LOCATIONS I LIKE THAT THAT  THEY IF YOU GO AND HAVE TO SAY  WHICH LOCATIONS ARE GOING TO  USE AND THEY CAN ONLY BE PUT  UP 7 DAYS BEFORE THE EVENT  WITH AN ARROW. AND THAT'S HOW  YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING  THROUGH THIS IS COMING UP  THAT'S COMING UP BECAUSE THEY  THEY HAVE THOSE THOSE SIGNS  AND CERTAIN AREA SO I. LIKE  MAYBE TO SEE THAT PURSUIT  BECAUSE THAT'S MORE ORGANIZED  AND IN CERTAIN AREAS THAT  PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THIS IS  WHERE WE CAN LOOK TO SEE  WHAT'S GOING ON AND THE FOR  EXAMPLE ENGLEWOOD DEARBORN IN  PINE STREET. THINK IT IS  THERE'S A BANK. PRETTY MUCH IS  THE CORNER FOR ALL THINGS  GOING ON AN ANGLE, WHAT OR  DEARBORN AND 7.76 THAT YOU  KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BE  HAPPENING UP SIGNS THERE WHEN  THERE ARE THINGS GOING ON KNOW  THAT SO WE CAN MAYBE LOOK INTO  THAT. I WHAT RAMIFICATIONS  THAT WOULD HAVE IF THERE ARE  CERTAIN PLACES THAT WE  DESIGNATED FOR SPECIAL EVENTS  TIMES TO CONNECT IT WITH AM.  APPLICATION FOR A SPECIAL  EVENT. I DO AGREE THAT OUR OUR  NONPROFITS AND THAT ARE  PUTTING OUT EVENTS OUT WE NEED  TO HAVE ABILITY TO LET PEOPLE  KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. AND ALSO  IT DOES I LIKE SEEING THOSE  SIGNS BECAUSE IT TELLS ME THAT  PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED IN THEIR  COMMUNITY AND IT GIVES ME SOME  HOPE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO  WANT TO DO SOMETHING NICE. ART  FOR NORTH PORT I HAVING  CERTAIN THAT'S WHAT ARE BIG  EVENTS ARE SMALL EVENT SO YOU  HAVE ABILITY SIGN OUT THERE.  TO ME IT'S VERY HUMID AND  BRINGS THAT ERA TO  >> CERTAINLY THE SENSITIVITY  TO THE TO THE WAGGLE ISSUE  EQUAL PROTECTION OR EQUAL  RIGHTS UNDER THE LAW I GET ALL  THAT AND THAT'S WHY I GO BACK  TO. IN LATEST SAY OK WE DON'T  ALLOW. SIGNAGE AND IN THAT  PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY. EXCEPT THE  GOVERNMENT OF COURSE ACCEPT IT  BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT CAN  ALWAYS THAT TOO, BUT THAT'S  WHERE I SAY. LET ANY ARTIE  COME BEFORE THE CITY. MAKE  APPLICATION. CITY. THAT EVENT  IF THE EVENT. IT'S OPEN TO THE  PUBLIC. IF IT'S ALL INCLUSIVE  TO THE PUBLIC. JUST LIKE  EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT  HURRICANE PREPAREDNESS. WE YOU  KNOW WHAT EVERYBODY NEEDS TO  KNOW ABOUT. PEOPLE FOR TRACE,  EVERYBODY NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT  A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT  ARE PUT ON IN THIS CITY. LET  THE CITY DO IT AS A PARTNER  WITH THEIR NON PROFITS. IT'S  THE CITY'S. I WHAT I IT'S NOT  THE NONPROFIT'S. IF SOME.  HOUSES FOR CASE GUY WANTS TO  SUE THE CITY OVER THAT. LIKE  THEY SHOULD GO AHEAD AND SPEND  THEIR MONEY ON A LAWSUIT. BUT  IT SEEMS TO ME THAT ALWAYS ERR  ON THE SIDE OLD THOUGHT  SOMEBODY MIGHT SO US HERE WHEN  WE ARE GOING DIRECTLY AND  SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT  BUSINESSES AND IN EVENT  PLANNERS AND THINK THIS IS  JUST THEY'RE PICK ON THE 2  THAT ARE MOST PREVALENT  CHAMBER IN KIWANIS THOSE  PEOPLE DO SO MUCH FOR OUR  CITY. THEY ARE SO HELPFUL TO  OUR CITIZENS AND TO RESTRICT  ABILITY TO ADVERTISE IN RIGHT  AWAY THERE'S A WAY TO DO THIS  TO SKIN THE CAT TO GET AROUND  THE LAW PEOPLE FIND WAYS TO  GET AROUND THE LAW ALL THE  TIME AND TO MITIGATE THAT  DON'T BE SHOOT AND YOU KNOW  WHAT IT JUST SEEMS TO WE WANT  TO DO THIS IT'S JUST WRONG  OTHERWISE. SHOULD ADVERTISER  EVERYBODY SHOULD AND I DON'T  CARE HOW OUR LOOK EVERYBODY  PUT THEIR SIDES THERE. OKAY  BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU ARE  HURTING VERY GROUPS WHO  SUPPORT OUR CITY HELP OUR CITY  A LOT OF THEIR WAY FOR OUR  CITY AND OUR CITIZENS AND I  JUST SHOULD SUPPORT THAT AT  ALL.  >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL TO TO WRAP THIS I A  REAL I WANT TO GO AGAIN. I  REALLY LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT  IF WE DO DO CITY ATTORNEY A  LEGAL OPINION.  >> AND IT'S NOT JUST NON  PROFITS THAT YOU KNOW, LET'S  SAY THE ART WHILE THE ART AND  IS A NONPROFIT. LET'S SAY  THERE'S A SCHOOL PLAY GOING  YOU KNOW THEY SHOULD BE  ALLOWED TO ADVERTISE. THE  SOUND OF MUSIC IS PLAYING IN  THE NORTH PORT HIGH SCHOOL. IF  I AS A PERSON WANT TO PUT ON A  HURRICANE EXPO AND I PAID FOR  THE MORGAN CENTER THE MOMENT  SENATOR DO YOU CITY HALL CITY  CENTER GREEN AND I WANT TO  ADVERTISE IT AS MYSELF. I  SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE ABLE TO  DO THAT BECAUSE IT'S HELPING  THE COMMUNITY. REALLY WE NEED  TO LOOK AT BASEBALL SIGN-UPS  MY GOODNESS.  >> IF IF THE KIDS ARE PLAYING  BASEBALL OR SOCCER OR WHATEVER  OTHER ACTIVITIES THAT ARE  HAPPENING IN OUR CITY AND THEY  DON'T KNOW THAT SIGN-UPS HAVE  ARE COMING UP. NOW THEY MUST  SIGN UPS WHO'S TO SAY THEY  MIGHT GET INTO TROUBLE NOW NOW  WE'VE GOT POLICE POP. YOU KNOW  WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW  THIS KIND OF ADVERTISING IN  OUR CITY BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY  GOES ON SOCIAL MEDIA, NOT  EVERYBODY GOES ON OUR WEBSITE.  WE. PASSING IS HOW PEOPLE FIND  OUT ABOUT THINGS AND AND I  REALLY REALLY THINK THAT THERE  HAS TO BE A WAY TO YOUR POINT  VICE MAYOR TO SKIN THIS CAT TO  MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS GOING  TO BE ABLE TO BE HAPPY  INCLUDING THE CITY EVENTS  BECAUSE CITY EVENT IS TOTALLY  STOP SIGN IN THE RIGHT WAY.  >> AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING  UP THEY THE SIGN-UPS BECAUSE  ALL THOSE SIGNS ARE  TECHNICALLY NOT PERMIT.  >> EXACTLY AND THERE'S NOT  ASSOCIATED WITH SPECIAL EVENT  RIGHT.  >> ONE COULD MAKE THE ALL  RIGHT COMMISSIONER LANGDON  WHAT PEOPLE OKAY.  >> MARCH.  >> YEAH, I COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL GOT SO CLOSE TO WHERE  I WAS GOING. PROFITS WHOEVER,  WHOEVER OUT THERE. THEY PAY  FOR THAT SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT  THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO  ADVERTISE IN A SPECIAL BLOCK  SAYING THIS AT OTHER IT'S NOT  GOING GET YOU KNOW JOE  BUSINESS OWNER OR FILLS  FANTASY FINALLY SIGNS OUT  THERE WHEN THEY'RE NOT PAYING  FOR ALL OF YOU KNOW IT'S IN  THAT PERMIT. YOU KNOW SO  THEREFORE JOE'S FENCING IF  SIGNS ARE UP. THEY COME BUT  THOSE CALLS LET'S SAY THE LOT  BUTS SIGN FOR THE HURRICANE  EXPO WHICH THEY DID HELP PUT  ON. GOES UP A WEEK AHEAD OF  TIME. YOU COME DOWN A WEEK  AFTER THE YOU'VE GOT IT LED TO  SLATE OF YOU'VE GOT  REGULATIONS. HE JUST GOT TO  SET UP A NEW PROGRAM AND HOW  THIS IS OVER THE MONTHS PEOPLE  GET IN ORDER AND THEN YOU KNOW  SOONER OR LATER PEOPLE ARE  GOING TO GET YOU KNOW TIRED OF  BUYING THEIR SIGNS AND GET  THEM SO THE WAY AND THEY'LL  SAY WAS A THERE'S AN EVENT  THIS WEEKEND. THAT'S WHAT'S  GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT YOU CAN'T  TAKE AWAY FROM THE NONPROFITS  TO BE ABLE TO ADVERTISE.  THEY'RE SPECIAL EVENT WHEN  THEY'RE PAYING FOR IT WHEN  THEY'RE PAYING FOR PART OF  MELANSON OR OR WHEREVER  THEY'RE AT THEY'RE PAYING FOR  THAT THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO  ADVERTISE IT RECOUP THEIR  FUNDS SO THEY CAN TO HELP THE  COMMUNITY. I CAN SAY THAT ANY  ANY BETTER THANK TO OVER SOME  OKAY, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER  LANGDON.  >> AND I'M VERY SUPPORTIVE OF  WHAT OTHERS HAVE DISCUSSED,  BUT JUST A COUPLE THINGS I  WANT TO BRING UP.  >> I'M AUDIOLOGIST AND I'M  GOING TO HAVE AN EDUCATIONAL  SESSION RESTAURANT ABOUT  DIFFERENT OPTIONS FOR. HEARING  AIDS. DOES THAT QUALIFY. IT  WOULD HAVE TO QUALIFY BECAUSE  WE CAN'T RESTRICT JUST  NONPROFIT.  >> I JUST WANT CORRECT OUT  YES, CORRECT HOWEVER, HOWEVER,  BECAUSE AND FUSION WITH THE  SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT PROCESS  FOR SAYS THE TEMPORARY USE  PROCESS.  >> WE HAVE PROPOSED AND THE  NEW ULDC THAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT  PERMITS APPLIED TO EVENTS HELD  ON CITY OWNED PROPERTY AND  WITHIN THE CITY OWNED RIGHT OF  WHEREAS TEMPORARY IS PERMITS  APPLY TO PRIVATELY OWNED  PROPERTY. THAT WAS CLEAR  THROUGH WHICH AGENCY YOU ARE  RECEIVING YOUR PERMIT  AUTHORIZATION WHETHER THE  PARKS AND REC FOR DEVELOPMENT  SERVICE RIGHT IS GOING TO NEXT  SO POINT THAT TYPE OF APPROACH  WOULD TRIGGER A CHANGE AND THE  REGULATIONS HAS DROPPED IT FOR  SPECIAL EVENTS AND TEPPER USES  NUMBER ONE NUMBER 2. WHEN YOU  TALK ABOUT THE SPECIAL EVENT  AUTHORIZING ARE THEY PAID FOR  THE MORGAN AND THAT SHOULD  AUTHORIZED SIGN  >> WELL.  >> WELL WHAT ABOUT THE. WASH  UP. THAT'S PAID FOR THEIR  PROPERTY PAID TO BUILD THEIR  BUILDING.  >> AND HAS AN OF THAT.  >> EVERY WEEKEND.  >> THAT COULD BENEFIT THE  PUBLIC IF THEY WERE TO ATTEND  THOSE SERVICES YET YOU  TONIGHT, THEY'RE SIGNAGE  BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RENTING A  CITY FACILITY. EQUAL  PROTECTION UNDER THE LAW. THIS  IS WHERE THAT SUPREME COURT  RULING REALLY TIES LOCAL  GOVERNMENTS HANDS AND AS AS  THEY WANT TO PROVIDE THOSE  OPPORTUNITIES FOR CERTAIN.  THAT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. IT  WANTS THE GAMBA. AND GILBERT  ARIZONA, IT WAS A CHURCH AT  FILED SUIT AGAINST THE CITY.  AND KEEPING IN MIND. THE  FLORIDA STATUTES. AND LAND-USE  CHALLENGES NOW PROVIDE FOR THE  PREVAILING PARTY TO BE PAID.  THEIR LEGAL FEES. SO THIS IS A  AN ISSUE THAT I CAN SEE THE  COMMISSIONERS ARE PASSIONATE  ABOUT. IF THERE WERE A WAY  THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE  STATUTES. THE CASE LAW AND THE  BEST PLANNING PRACTICES. WE  WOULD BE BRINGING THAT TO YOU.  >> SO AGAIN YOU KNOW WE WILL  PROCEED WITH CONSENSUS FROM TO  GET BACK WITH OUR LEGAL  COUNSEL BRING SOMETHING BACK.  HOWEVER WE RECOMMEND AS HAVING  SIGNS IN THE RIGHT OF RIGHT  LET ME ADD TO IT AS FAR AS  JUST SAID THAT THE GILBERT THE  REVERSE GILBERT.  >> CHURCH WAS HOLDING WEEKLY  SERVICES. AND THEY WANTED  THEIR SIGN. PLACED IN THE  RIGHT OF WAY TO ADVERTISE  THEIR WEEKLY SPECIAL EVENT.  THERE WERE OTHER SPECIAL  EVENTS THAT WERE TAKING PLACE.  THAT THE CITY ALLOWED AND  PERMITTED. TO BE PUT IN THE  RIGHT OF WAY. THE CITY WOULD  NOT ISSUE THE CHURCH PERMIT.  BECAUSE THEY SAID WELL YOU'RE  EVENT TAKES PLACE EVERY WEEK  YOUR SERVICES TAKE PLACE EVERY  WEEK IT'S NOT SPECIAL EVENT.  CHURCH SAINT AND THE CHURCH  ONE. SUPREME COURT VERY  CLEARLY IF YOU'VE READ THEIR  ARGUMENTS AND THERE OPINIONS  ON THIS CASE. VERY CLEAR. IF  YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW. TO BE  TO PLACE YOUR A SIGN IN THE  PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. DOESN'T  MATTER WHO IT IS. IT DOESN'T  MATTER WHAT IT SAYS. ALL YOU  CAN REGULATE. TIME. DURATION  SIZE AND PLACE. THOSE ARE THE  4 CORNERS THAT WE CAN REGULATE  THAT'S IT. NOW SOME CITIES.  SAID WE'RE GOING TO CREATE  FREE SPEECH SENSE. AND SO THIS  PARTICULAR INTERSECTION. FROM  THIS ONLY TO THIS DAY EVERY  WEEK. FRIDAY TO MONDAY  MORNING. GOING TO BE A FREE  SPEECH THAT. ANYBODY CAN PUT A  SIGN THAT AS LONG AS IT'S THIS  SIZE. AND THIS FAR AWAY FROM  THE PAVEMENT. YOU MAY HAVE A  100 SIGNS THERE ON THE  WEEKEND. BUT THEY LET THEM DO  IT AS MATTER WHAT THE SCIENCE  IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO PUTS  THEM UP. IT COULD SAY. WE LOVE  OUR COMMISSION OR. SOMETHING  ELSE. IT COULD SAY WE'RE  HAVING A VENT OVER HERE.  DOESN'T MATTER. BUT YOU KNOW  CERTAIN INTERSECTIONS WHERE  THEY WILL ALLOW THAT. IT CAN  GET. MESSI. THEIR CODE  ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENTS ON A  ROUTINE BASIS WILL HAVE TO GO  BY THERE EVERY WEEK AND TAKE  OUT. HUNDREDS OF SIGNS. BUT IN  ORDER TO ALLOW. THE  NONPROFIT'S AND THE OTHER  ORGANIZATIONS THAT THEY WANT  TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A PLACE TO  ADVERTISE. THERE ARE EVENTS.  THEY OPEN UP THAT LOCATION  DAYS A WEEK. FOR ANYBODY. AND  IF THEY COMPLY WITH THE SIZE.  AND THEY KEEP THEM OFF THE  STREET, A CERTAIN SUPPORT THE  SIDEWALKS. YOU MENTION FOR  THINGS THAT TIME. YEAH, I'M  SORRY LOCATION, YOU SIZE.  DURATION COMPLEX. I ALL RIGHT.  SOME THAT SIZE THEY'VE REALLY  COUNTY SIZE BUT NATION SIGNS  LOCATION SIZE. DURATION DURING  THE DURATION. SO CAN I I  MENTIONED UP THE CITY OF  BECAUSE GET BACK IN THE CITY  OF VENICE HASN'T BEEN YET.  BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE  SPECIFICALLY TIED TO SPECIAL  EVENT PERMITS NOT GENERALLY  THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT  THE CITY OF VENICE OKAY, OKAY.  MY MIND I SPEAK. MIGHT YEAH.  THANK YOU.  >> WELL, JUST SINCE SINCE I'M  A REALIST AND I KNOW THAT  DESPITE WHATEVER LEGAL  OPINIONS WE GET IT'S GOING TO  COME BACK TO EQUAL PROTECTION.  AND BASICALLY IT'S GOING TO  BLOW UP THE VAST MAJORITY OF  OUR ENTIRE CONVERSATION HERE  ABOUT SOMEHOW ALLOWING CERTAIN  TYPES OTHER THINGS WE CAN'T TO  ME THE ONLY 2 SOLUTIONS ARE  EITHER SET UP A HANDFUL A  GROUP OF. FREE ADVERTISING  ZONES THAT OF PERPETUAL 7 DAYS  A WEEK. THESE ARE AREAS IN OUR  CITY THAT WE ALLOW. ANYBODY  THAT ADVERTISING. OR  CONVERSELY. LET EVERYBODY  ADVERTISED IN THE RIGHT OF  WAYS. VERY ONLY 2 REALISTIC  OPTIONS HERE LEGALLY THAT  WE'RE GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO  DO JUST SO EVERYBODY GETS IT,  THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO  HAVE TO DECIDE BECAUSE I WILL  FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT OF ANYBODY  TO ADVERTISE FOR THEIR  OFFENSE. EXCLUDING THEM NOT  ALLOWING THEM IT'S JUST NOT  ACCEPTABLE TO ME AND I DON'T  THINK IT'S ACCEPTABLE. SO THE  CITIZENS OF OUR CITY HAVE TO  SAY I WISH THE ROOM WAS FILLED  WITH PEOPLE WERE SPEAKING OUT  ON THE SUN, I NOTICE, PLENTY  WEST. SO MY TAKE IT'S THAT  PERHAPS THE LEAST INVASIVE AND  AND. OBJECTIONABLE MIGHT BE TO  SET UP. A SERIOUS AROUND  BECAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST PICK  ONE LOCATION BECAUSE DEPENDING  ON WHERE OFFENSE MIGHT BE HELD  AND OTHER THINGS LIKE WHAT YOU  NEED THAT SORT STRATEGIC  LOCATIONS 10 OR 15 AROUND THE  CITY, HOWEVER, MANY IT IT'S  REASONABLE AND JUST SAY THESE  ARE AREAS IN THE RIGHT AWAY  WHERE ANYBODY CAN ADVERTISE.  IN CONFORMANCE WITH.  >> WHAT THE LAW SAYS AND AND  WE'VE BEEN AT I WILL IT'S AN  EASIER WAY TO CONTROL THINGS.  WE USED TO GET A LOT OF PHONE  CALLS ABOUT SCIENCE. WE WOULD  GET CALLS FROM RESIDENTS THAT  THE SIGNS WERE BLOCKING  VISIBILITY. TRAFFIC WALKING  VISIBILITY OF PEDESTRIANS. OUR  POLICE USED TO CALL OUR  DEPARTMENT A LOT BECAUSE THEY  HAD SIGNS THAT THEY FELT LIKE  WERE IN DANGEROUS PLACES. WE  HAVE PUBLIC WORKS HAD A REAL  PROBLEM TRYING RIGHT OF WAYS  BECAUSE OF THE PROLIFERATION  OF SIGNS. WE GOT CALLS FROM  NEIGHBORS WHO LIVED CLOSE TO  INTERSECTIONS THAT SAID. I'M  EMBARRASSED BE BECAUSE THEIR  STAIRS, 50 SIGNS OF THE CORNER  AND IT LOOKS TERRIBLE. WE DID  GET THOSE CALLS. WE DON'T GET  THOSE CALLS ANYMORE. BUT BUT.  THE ISSUE OF. ALLOWING THEM  ANYWHERE. YOU GET THAT  PROLIFERATION. MOST CITIES  DON'T ALLOW THEM THE COUNTY'S  DOESN'T ALLOW THEM. YOU STILL  HAVE SOME EVERY NOW AND JUST  LIKE WE DO. BUT IT'S IT'S MORE  CONTROLLED CHAOS RATHER  >> FREE FOR OUR COMBAT TO THE  BILLBOARD CONVERSATION AND THE  DISTURBING IMAGES. WON. ICE IS  ASSIGNED AND THE RIGHT OF WAY  IN THE FREE SPEECH SHOWN OR  ALL OVER THE CITY. REGARDING  PALESTINE ISRAEL.  >> KKK ABORTION. YEAH THAT.  DISPARAGING ONE OF THE  COMMISSIONERS. UP THAT SIGN  AND LEAVE EVERYBODY ELSE  THERE. THANK GOODNESS,  SOMEONE. SO YOU KNOW JUST YOU  KNOW KEEPING KEEPING THAT AND  THE FOREFRONT OF OF YOUR MINDS  ABOUT IF WE ALLOW THOSE.  >> HEADED FOR SPENT CANNOT BE  PULLING THEM.  >> I'D LIKE TO ASK YOUR  QUESTION ON THIS OKAY.  >> JUST SAY THAT BEFORE YOU GO  OKAY, LET ME JUST FINISH OFF  YOU'RE FINE, YOU KNOW OF THE 2  OBVIOUSLY THE AIR YOU KNOW  HAVING AREAS OF ADVERTISING  LIKE HAVING THESE ADVERTISING  ZONES IS TO ME THE LEAST  INOFFENSIVE IT IT IT MAKES  MORE SENSE AND AS TO THE FACT  THAT ANYBODY COULD DO IT. I  GOT TO TELL YOU. I JUST LIKE  ANYBODY FIND YOU KNOW CERTAIN  TYPES ADVERTISING OFFENSIVE  WHO'S TO SAY WHAT'S OFFENSIVE  AND WHAT'S NOT THIS IS AMERICA  MAN. WE HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH  WE HAVE A CONSTITUTION AND I  DON'T WANT TO SEE SOME  NEO-NAZI SIGN UP THERE ON THE  SIDE IN ADVERTISING ZONE, BUT  IF IT'S THERE SO BE IT I DON'T  HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT YOU  KNOW WHAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE  THE RIGHT TO DO IT AND I DON'T  HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT UP A  SIGN THAT SAYS LOVE YOUR  NEIGHBOR AND YOU KNOW WHAT. I  CAN LIVE WITH AND I THINK WE  ALL SHOULD LIVE WITH IT. I  GOVERNMENT JUST CAN'T  LEGISLATIVE CONTROL EVERYTHING  THAT WE DO AND I DON'T MEAN TO  MAKE A SPEECH BUT I GOT TO  TELL YOU WE GOT TO HAVE A WAY  FOR THESE PEOPLE TO ADVERTISE  IN CERTAIN AREAS AND READY TO  WASTE AND IF THIS IS THIS IS  THE BEST WE CAN DO THAT MAYBE  THIS IS THE BEST WE CAN DO AND  HAVE A SERIES OF SPOTS WHERE  THEY COULD A TYSON THAT WOULD  WORK FOR ME AND PROBABLY WOULD  SATISFY THE VAST MAJORITY OF  THOSE FOLKS OUT WHO ARE  CONCERNED OVER ISSUE.  >> I  >> YEAH, I'LL BE BRIEF, I'VE  GOT 2 JILL HAS A GREAT IDEA  OUT THERE ON THAT THE ONLY  THING IS WE'VE GOT TO MAKE  SURE THAT THEIR SPECIFIC  AREAS. THAT ARE CENTRALLY  LOCATED WE CAN'T HAVE THEM ALL  THE WAY OUT AND B M EGYPT WHEN  WE'RE DOING SOMETHING OVER  DALLAS WHITE PARK. YOU KNOW  THEY HAVE TO BE CENTRALLY  LOCATED THAT HAVE TO BE GOOD  FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUT  ON. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A  LITTLE BIT OF WORK IN ITSELF,  BUT THIS IS FOR STAFF. HOW  MUCH ARE WE PAYING FOR CODE  ENFORCEMENT TO PICK UP SIGNS  OUT THERE. ALL RIGHT.  >> SO THERE'S THERE'S I CAN'T  PUT A DOLLAR AMOUNT TO IT BUT  I CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE  ♪ >> RIGHT NOW PEOPLE GO OUT HOW  HOW MANY SWEETS TO DO A WEEK I  KNOW HOW MANY MAN HOURS IS  PICKING UP SIGNS OUT THERE  THERE COULD BE POSSIBLY USED  FOR SOMETHING ELSE. WE'RE NOT  WORRIED ABOUT TIMES THEY COULD  BE DOING SOMETHING ELSE LIKE  OH THIS TREE MAY FALL OVER ON  SOMEBODY ELSE OR HEY THEY GOT  18 CARS IN THEIR DRIVEWAY,  WHICH IS  ♪ MORE IMPORTANT. TO CERTAIN  CITIZENS THAN THE SIGNS ARE  OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE RIGHT  WAY.  >> TYPICALLY IT'S NOT THAT  MUCH TIME.  >> IF THEY HAVE BEEN  INTERSECTION WHERE THERE'S  BEEN A PROLIFERATION.  >> WE HAD ONE BUSINESS THAT.  THEY COUNTED OVER 40 SIGNS ONE  BUSINESS THAT 40 SIGNS ALONG  BOTH SIDES OF THIS TREE AND SO  THAT TOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE  TIME. BUT WE TYPICALLY DON'T  SPEND I MEAN IS I HAVE. AND  HEIGHTENED FORSMAN NOT  OFFICERS SPEND MORE THAN AN  HOUR A WEEK. DOING THAT THAT'S  PROBABLY A LOT.  >> OKAY DOWN  >> THAT MUCH TIME WE HAD A. WE  WE HAD MORE. BEFORE WE THE  WORD GOT OUT THAT WE WEREN'T  ALLOWING THEM.  >> THEN IT WOULD TAKE QUITE A  BIT OF TIME. WE HAD WE HAD  OFFICER WORKING ON SATURDAYS  AT ONE POINT. BACK SOME TIME  AGO.  >> BUT IT'S IT'S ISSUE HAS  DIMINISHED.  >> CONSIDERABLY SO NOW WE  REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH OF  A PROBLEM DON'T SPEND MUCH  TIME ON IT ALL.  >> BUT WHY WHY WERE THESE  OTHER SIGNS BEING PICKED UP  WHERE THEY NOT ALLOWED BECAUSE  IF ALLOWED THEY DON'T NEED TO  BE PICKED UP.  >> THERE WERE SIGNS THAT WERE  THE LOT OF TIMES THE SIGNS.  THE POLICE WOULD SAY THEY WERE  BLOCKING THIS ABILITY ON I  INTERSECTIONS THEY WERE  BLOCKING THE SIDEWALK. THOSE  TYPES OF THINGS SO THAT'S ONE  OF THE REASONS WHY SIGNS USED  TO BE PICKED UP.  >> OK THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S  ALL I HAVE MAYOR.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL,  YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE ABOUT  TRYING TO CONSENSUS. I THINK  WHEN WE HAD OUR LAST  DISCUSSION IN FEBRUARY OF 23  THERE WAS A PROLIFERATION OF  SIGNS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE TAKE  ADVANTAGE OF OUR CITIZENS  AFTER THE HURRICANE.  >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU  CENSUS AND I ASK. AS FOR SIGNS  IN THE RIGHT AWAY THIS IS  SUPPLY TOO PRIVATE PROPERTY.  NOW NOW. AND PRIVATE PROPERTY  IS ALSO CONSIDERED. ARE ON  PRIVATE PROPERTY SHOPPING  CENTERS THAT THAT IS PRIVATE  PROPERTY.  >> YES, SO IF SOMEONE IS  HOLDING A BOX.  >> THEY WANT TO GO TO A  PROPERTY ON OUR FRIEND OF  THEIRS, LET'S TALK PRICE  BOULEVARD AND SAYS HEY I'M  HAVING  >> WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO LET  ME POST MY SIGNS IN YOUR CAR.  WELL UNDER THE PERSONAL  EXPRESSION SIGN TEMPORARY  SIGNS SECTION 2. YOU CAN HAVE  12 SQUARE FEET OF SIGNAGE SO  WITH PERMISSION FROM A  PROPERTY OWNER, YOUR NOT  OFFENSE CAN POST SIGNS ON  SOMEBODY ELSE'S PRIVATE  PROPERTY HAS IT DOESN'T MATTER  WHAT THE SIGNS SAY. SO IT'S  BACK TO THE SAME THING THAT  WAS DISCUSSED BACK AND  FEBRUARY OF 2023 OR NOT  ORGANIZATIONS AND ADVERTISED  THEIR ARE SAYING THEY CAN'T  PUT A SIGN IN THE CITY RIGHT  OF WAY SO IT MIGHT REQUIRE  SOME ADDITIONAL LIKE WORK ON  THEIR PART TO RELATIONSHIPS  WITH THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE  PROPERTY IN THE VICINITY WHERE  THEY WANT TO POST THE SIGNS.  AT WHAT INVOLVED THAT A  CLATTER OF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF  WAY THEY BE SET OFF FAR ENOUGH  FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY SO THEY  WOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE IMPEDING  TRAFFIC. AND THERE WOULD BE NO  NEED FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT OUR  PUBLIC WORKS OR ANYONE ELSE TO  GO PICK UP THOSE SIGNS TO BE  ABLE TO DO MAINTENANCE AND THE  RIGHT OF WAY OR WHATEVER SO  THEY'RE STILL THE OPPORTUNITY  FOR SPEECH AND THE WAY THIS  SIGN ORDINANCES AND WRITTEN  IT'S TO PROVIDE LARGEST  OPPORTUNITY FOR SPEECH AND TO  DO SO MANY CASES WITHOUT  REQUIRING PERMISSION TO DO NOT  FROM THE GOVERNMENT. FROM THE  GOVERNMENT RIGHT SO YOU KNOW  >> YOU KNOW WHERE WHERE WHERE.  >> WELL INTO PROCEED IN  WHATEVER MANNER YOUR  CONSENSUS, ACCESS TO. AND GO  BACK TO COUNCIL IF NECESSARY.  ALL RIGHT WE HAPPEN. WE  HAVEN'T REDUCED PEOPLE'S  ABILITY TO SPEAK.  >> AND PRETTY MUCH FOLLOWS.  PRETTY MUCH ALL NICHOLSON'S  WHAT THE RULES ARE FOR  POLITICAL SIDE. SO YOU CANNOT  PUT UP A PUT UP A SIGN AND  YOU'RE RIGHT OF WAYS, BUT THEY  CAN GO ON PRIVATE PROPERTY  CORRECT WHY WE SEE THEN IN  SHOPPING CENTERS AND RIGHT  TAKE A LIVE PERSON BACK THE  CANDIDATE THAT'S WHY EVEN AS  BIG SIGN IN THAT.  >> AND THAT WHAT HAPPENS KEEP  IN MIND THAT THIS ORDINANCE  WAS DRAFTED BY LEGAL EXPERTS  WHO ARE EXPERTS IN SIGNAGE YOU  HAVE WATCHED AND FOLLOWED SOME  CASES PARTICIPATED IN THESE.  THESE LAWSUITS AND THESE  RULINGS. THE SUPREME COURT AND  OTHER COURT CASES HAVE  CONTINUED TO HYTEN. DOWN ON  WHAT WE CAN WE CAN DO. THE WAY  THIS IS THIS ORDINANCE IS  WRITTEN ISN'T BECAUSE ANYBODY  WANTS RESTRICT SPEECH. IT'S  WRITTEN. PROTECT THE CITY AND  TURNED THE TAXPAYERS FROM  THOSE LEGAL BATTLES THAT ARE  BEING FOUGHT ALL OVER THE  COUNTRY ON THIS ISSUE. WE  CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO  RESTRICT ANYONE SPEECH. BUT.  LEGAL CASES HAVE REALLY. DONE  A LOT 2. RESTRICT WHAT WE CAN  DO AND WHAT WE CAN YOU KNOW  NOBODY WANTS TO HAVE TO ADOPT  REGULATIONS LIKE THESE. IT WAS  THE LIVES A LOT EASIER FOR  EVERYBODY. A LOT LESS  ADMINISTRATION A LOT LESS PAIN  WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH  ALL OF THIS. THE COURTS HAVE  REALLY TAKEN AWAY A LOT OF OUR  LED RIGHT.  >> THANK YOU BRINGING I AGREE  PEOPLE HAVE MORE I GUESS  SELF-CONTROL AND WERE ABLE TO  REGULATE THEMSELVES KNOW GOOD  FOR THE COMMUNITY AND NOT THAT  THE TRUTH AND IT'S IT'S IRONIC  BECAUSE THE MORE PEOPLE JUST  DO WHAT THEY WANT TELL US THAT  NIGHT MY ASIDE ALL THE TIME  YOU KNOW WE CAN HAVE THAT  PARTY SHOW ME WHAT YOU CAN DO  IN THIS NOTICE.  >> WHAT I WANT IT. NO MORE  PARTIES YEAH BECAUSE YOU WROTE  FOR YOURSELF SO THAT'S WHAT I  KEEP THINKING WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT THIS SO I'M DONE WITH  THAT COMMISSIONER DOUBT THAT  YOU WANT TO.  >> I STILL SEE LIGHT ON MAYOR  YEAH HOPING TO GET A CONSENSUS  GREAT TO US A LITTLE MORE  PATIENT YOU  >> WE ARE EXPECTING PEOPLES  FREEDOMS. DOING BECAUSE THE  GOVERNMENT SAYS YOU HAVE TO  GET EQUAL CONSIDERATION  EVERYBODY HAS TO BE TREATED  EQUALLY YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE  CONTENT I GET ALL THAT. BUT  WILL BY SAYING IT'S JUST  EASIER FOR THE CITY TO JUST  DENY ANYONE TYSON THE RIGHT  AWAY THIS IS JUST SEVERAL  EASYWRING CLEANER WELL THAT  DOESN'T CUT MUSTARD I KNOW THE  LETTER OF THE LAW SAYS THAT  CITY OWNS THE RIGHT OF WAYS  BUT THE SPIRIT THE LAW SAYS  THE CITIZENS. ALL CITY AND I'M  NOT SPLITTING HAIRS, IT JUST  SEEMS TO ME THAT OK IF YOU  DON'T WANT SIGNS ALL OVER  EVERY RIGHT AWAY 15 STRATEGIC  LOCATIONS AROUND OUR CITY  WHERE ANYBODY CAN ADVERTISE IN  THE SPREE ADVERTISING SOANES  WHEN PUT THEIR SIGNAGE AND  THERE WHO CARES WHAT THE  CONTENT IT'S A RELEVANT. LET  WHAT AIS WHATEVER IT IS THEY  WANT TO ADVERTISE AS LONG AS  THOSE 4 CRITERIA ARE MET AS  FAR AS THE SIGNAGE  REQUIREMENTS AND BE DONE WITH  THIS AND ALLOW EVERYBODY TO  ADVERTISE WHAT THEY NEED TO  ADVERTISE. IT JUST SEEMS THE  RIGHT THING TO DO TO RESTRICT  IT, YOU CAN DRESS IT UP ANY  WAY YOU WANT IT'S STILL  RESTRICTING PEOPLE'S ABILITY  SAY YOU CAN DO IT ONLY ON  PRIVATE PROPERTY SURE THAT  MAKES IT THAT MUCH MORE  DIFFICULT FOR THOSE GOT TO GO  KNOCK ON DOORS EXCUSE ME CAN I  CAN I PUT A SIGN ON. THERE'S  JUST NOTHING WRONG WITH  ADVERTISING IN SELECTIVE AREAS  OF OF OF THE RIGHT OF WAYS WE  CAN GET AROUND THIS LAW BY  DOING IT THAT WAY WE'RE  KEEPING EQUAL PROTECTION UNDER  THE LAW EVERYBODY GETS TO IT  JUST SEEMS THE MOST LOGICAL  WAY BUT CITY WOULD MUCH PREFER  TO SAY NO WE DON'T WANT TO  HAVE THE SIGNS HERE WE HAVE TO  WORRY ABOUT NOBODY A LOOK AT  IT'S LIKE DOING ON THEIR  PRIVATE EQUITY AND YOU'VE GOT  ALL FREEDOM OF SPEECH YOU  WANT, BUT DON'T DO IT ON THE  PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY AND I JUST  THAT'S JUST. IT'S ENOUGH TO  THOSE ORGANIZATIONS.  >> THAT SUPPORT OUR CITY AND  THAT NEED THE ABILITY  ADVERTISE IN CERTAIN AREAS  RIGHT AWAY AND I DON'T SEE WHY  THERE'S SUCH A RESISTANCE TO  >> I AT THAT IT SENDS HORRIBLE  MESSAGE TO THESE GROUPS, I'M  BECAUSE OF THAT STAFF AND AND  CITY WANT TO BE EXPEDITIOUS IT  JUST IS JUST.  >> AND OKAY COMMISSIONER YEAH,  AND JUST JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S  PATIENTS AND THAT ONE WE  CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION,  THE TABLE FOR TEMPORARY SIGNS.  IT SAYS THAT THEY ARE NOT  PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL  AREAS. BASED ON THE TABLE  THAT'S IN HERE. SO I JUST WANT  TO THROW THAT OUT THERE. OKAY  SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GET A  TO HAVE A CITY ATTORNEY  PERFORM A LEGAL OPINION TO  ALLOW ISSUING PERMITS FOR  SIGNS IN THE RIGHT AWAY WHEN  THE APPLICANT HAS A SPECIAL  EVENT PERMIT APPLIED FOR USING  PUBLIC PROPERTY.  >> ALL RIGHT, THAT'S OUR FIRST  TO CENSUS VICE START WITH  >> I'LL SAY YES, EVEN THOUGH  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL DUE  RESPECT I WILL SAY YES BECAUSE  ALL SUPPORT THAT BUT BUT I  KNOW WHAT BACK WITH A HAS TO  BE A LAWYER AND SAY THEY'RE  GOING TO COME BACK AND TELL US  PROBLEM BUT LET'S GO AND DO IT  BECAUSE WE ASKED FOR A WHILE  AGO WAS ASKED AND WAS NEVER  DONE SO MUCH THEY SAID THAT  WERE DOING IT IN WE HAD A  NEVER DID SO MUCH. I WOULD SAY  >> BUT IT IS JUMPING YES MAAM.  >> IF IF THE COMMISSION WANTS  THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO  TO DO THAT ISSUE WE CAN  TOTALLY DO THAT CLEVER.  >> STAFF HAS WEISS RED WHO ARE  THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IN  THIS AREA. I'M PROBABLY GET  THAT. MORE EFFECTIVELY AND  MORE EFFICIENTLY IT IS THE  WILL OF THE BOARD TO HAVE THEM  GO BACK TO THAT COUNCIL TO GET  THAT THE CHAIR THERE.  DEPARTMENT SPEAKS NATIONAL ON  THIS ISSUE IT WOULD BE THE  SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT WE  WOULD TURN TO FOR FINANCIAL  LIKE IF  >> I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS  WHO PROVIDED BUT PROVIDING  ILLEGAL BUT WHETHER IT'S CITY  ATTORNEY I WOULD ASSUME THAT  THE CITY ATTORNEY TALKS TO  OTHER RETURNS IN WOULD GET  THIS DONE. I DON'T CARE WHO  DOES IT BUT JUST TO HAVE THIS  I'M TASKING YOU THE CITY  ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO PROVIDE  THIS LEGAL OPINION. I'M A YES  BUT.  >> I DON'T JUST WANT PENN YAN  DO IT DON'T DO IT I WANT THE  BEST OPTION. FACILITATING THIS  TYPE OF EXPRESSION OUR  COMMUNICATION THAT SO TO  MINIMIZE THE IS OUR RESCUE  THAT WAS MY NEXT PART MAYBE  NOT MINIMIZES CONTAINS A.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER EMERGED  YOU HEAR WHAT WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT. SOME OF IT AS A CITY  ATTORNEY CAME YOU'RE GOING TO  GO TO THEY'RE PEOPLE AGAIN AND  GIVE US A NATIONAL TYPE YOU  KNOW DECISION I'M NOT WORRIED  ABOUT BLACK AND WHITE NATIONAL  I'M WORRIED ABOUT DOING THE  RIGHT THING FOR OUR COMMUNITY  HOW DO WE DO IT HOW DO HOW DO  WE ALLOW OUR PEOPLE TO  PARTICIPATE SO I'LL BE A YES  THEY WANT TO GO AROUND A NEW  THAT RAT RACE, BUT WHEN IT  COMES BACK OH NO IT'S STILL  LEGALLY BINDING I'M NOT INTO  THAT I'M I'M GOING TO OUR  PEOPLE USED THOSE ARENAS TO BE  ABLE TO ADVERTISE A PERIOD.  THANK YOU.  >> WE DO HAVE A CONSENSUS.  THANK YOU AND THE SECOND PART  WAS COMMISSIONER LANGDON POINT  OF WE NEED OTHER OPTIONS. JUST  BECAUSE NATIONALLY THIS IS  WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY WE CAN  AND CANNOT DO WE NEED TO HAVE  SOME OPTIONS AVAILABLE FOR  THINGS THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE  TO DO IN OUR CITY WHETHER THAT  BE ALLOWING IT IN A DESIGNATED  AREA. FOR EVENTS ONLY SEE.  THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR THOSE  SIGNS. AND  >> OKAY WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO  DO THAT BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE  OUT ANOTHER WAY TO ALLOW OUR  NONPROFIT AND OUR CITY  GOVERNMENT TO ADVERTISE SIGNS  THERE HAS TO BE AWAY. WE  CANNOT BE THE ONLY CITY THAT  IS HAVING THIS PROBLEM BECAUSE  OF THE STUPID ARE READING  ISSUE THAT CAME DOWN FROM THE  SUPREME COURT. SO I'D LIKE TO  GET A CONSENSUS TO HAVE A CITY  ATTORNEY AND STAFF WORK.  TOGETHER TO COME UP WITH OTHER  VIABLE OPTIONS TO ALLOW. THIS.  THESE KIND OF EVENTS SIGNAGE  IS TO BE PLACED SOMEWHERE SOME  PLACE WITHIN THE ALL RIGHT.  ALSO THE OTHER  >> I'M NOT SURE WE CAN LIMIT  IT TO EVENTS BUT I GET THE  SPIRIT OF THE INTENTION AND SO  I MEAN YES OKAY. I MEAN, YES  AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE FINE  SPECIAL EVENTS AND OUR SPECIAL  EVENT AS WE DO AND THAT'S WHAT  I THOUGHT SO THAT WOULD TAKE  MAYBE TAKE CARE OF THE WEEKLY  THINGS THAT'S REALLY NOT A  SPECIAL EVENT THAT I THINK  ACCORDING TO THAT DEFINITION  SPECIAL EVENT IS GETTING USED  PROPERTY. STRUCK. WELL  >> OUR SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT I  THERE'S 2 DIFFERENT CAVEATS  WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE  WITH YOUR IDEAS,  >> RIGHT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL  SPECIAL FROM PRIVATE PROPERTY  IF I COULD IF DON'T IF YOU  DIRECTION DOESN'T LIMIT IT TO  SPECIAL OR SPECIAL EVENT  BECAUSE I REALLY THINK YOU'RE  YOU'RE GETTING DOWN THAT SAME  AS TO WHY THE CHURCH SUED AND  NOW I KNOW THAT SO I IT IF YOU  WOULD JUST LET WORK ON THOSE  OPTIONS THAT THE ONE THAT THAT  I BROUGHT UP ABOUT FREEDOM OF  SPEECH ZONES THEY'VE  ESTABLISHED MEAN THAT'S THAT'S  A REASONABLE THING THAT IS.  YOU KNOW, BUT WITH THERE ARE  CASES WHERE IT PENTAGON  ALREADY BEEN SUED AND LOST. SO  WE WANT TO BE SURE THAT  ANYTHING THAT WE PROPOSE  HASN'T ALREADY GONE THROUGH  THE COURTS AND LOST. IT'S GONE  THROUGH THE COURTS WANT TO  MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ONE. SO  THAT WE DON'T LEAD YOU DOWN A  WAY WE ALREADY KNOW HAS ENDED  IN.  >> LEGAL DISASTER, OKAY.  >> ALL RIGHT SO DESIGNATED  AREAS STILL LOOK INTO VICE  MAYOR AS LONG AS THE FOCUS  WILL BE ON FREEDOM OF SPEECH  ZONES THAT'S THE WAY TO DO  THIS ON ABSOLUTE VOTES HERE IN  >> THAT'S THE WAY TO GET THE  >> COMMISSIONER AVERAGE.  >> YEAH, I'M I'M YES, THE ONLY  THING IS IS I'VE GOT TO ADD  THIS IS BECAUSE I I I  UNDERSTAND THE FREEDOM OF  SPEECH ZONES. BUT I DON'T WANT  TO HAVE YOU KNOW LIKE THEY  WERE SAYING THERE COULD BE  HUNDREDS OF SIGNS OUT THERE  THAT COULD BE JUST THE OTHER.  WELL IF IF THEY'RE THE LAST  ONES IN LINE BECAUSE THEY GOT  THERE THERE'S SIGNS A WEEK  BEFORE THEIR EVENT. HOW ARE  THEY GOING FIGHT TO BE ABLE TO  BE SEEN OUT THERE SO AREAS  HAVE GOT TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO  INCORPORATE THE NEED OF  WHATEVER TYPE OF SIGNAGE IS  GOING ON OUT THERE. I JUST  WANTED TO ADD THAT. THANK YOU.  >> BUT I MEAN OKAY SO THEY GO  AND OUR CONSENSUS.  >> OR.  >> THOSE DESIGNATED AREAS COME  BACK WITH SOME. DO WE THING  ELSE IF YOU NEED ANYTHING  ELSE.  >> I HAVE QUESTIONS ON REST OF  COVID RELIEF COMMISSIONER  LANGDON DOES TO WHAT TAKE A  MINUTE. I THINK I'M IN IT  BEFORE WE GET TO THAT HAVE  BEEN APPLIED FOR I DON'T WANT  LAUNCH TENDON UP THAT WE HAVE  ANY PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE  MIGHT NEED TO HEAR SO I WANT  ON THAT PARTICULAR ITEM. OFF  SESSION. BUT DO WANT. LOVE  YEAH. THE FOLKS HAVE TO HEAR  YOU OF  >> NEWS DRAW YOU I REALLY  APPRECIATE STAFF BEING AS  PASSIONATE AS THEY ARE AS A  BUSINESS OWNER WHO DID NOT  KNOW YOU WANT PUT SIGNS OUT IN  THE  >> SO I'M PRETTY WELL IF THINK  ABOUT THE GASOL TO INJECT JOBS  PAYING THAT. SO THAT'S ISSUE  REALLY DOESN'T THE BUS HERE.  BUT AS A BUSINESS YOU GUYS ARE  TRYING TO RIPPING SIGNS AND  THAT YOU KNOW STANDING BY. 100  OF THOSE FOR A 100 BUCKS. IT  ALL THE SHOW. PLACES TRUCKS  PARKED AROUND EUROPE PUT THEM  OUT. I THINK THAT'S THE THAT  THEY ARE OUT OTHER TAKEN DOWN  ALL OF BUT I THINK YOU GUYS  ARE TRYING TO ELIMINATE US  FROM DOING THAT AND FROM AN  ECONOMIC STANDPOINT, YOU CAN'T  BUY THAT BOTTLE WITH MIKE. I  YOU UNDERSTAND A LOT OF I  REMEMBER THEM THEY IT'S TO YOU  KNOW THERE ARE THINGS THAT  YOU'RE GOING TO LET IT BY  MAKING  THIS RULE. YOU'RE NEVER GOING  TO DEFEAT MEANT. THE SATELLITE  IS THE SITE IT'S TERRIBLE AS  THE ALSO AT ALL OUT. I CAN  JUST OUTSPEND YOU WANT TO COME  TO THOSE BECAUSE IT'S FOR THE  GOOD OF THE SENATE THAT THEY  SHOULDN'T BE OUT THERE. BUT I  DON'T THINK MAKING A. THAT  SPAWNED MAKE SENSE OF THAT  WHEN YOU HAVE TO DO LEGALLY I  REALLY UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL  SIDE OF IT TERMS OF TRYING  ELIMINATE IT YOU YOU JUST KEPT  THAT'S WHY NOT A I'M SORRY.  LOT I REALLY THINK THAT.  ♪ ♪ >> A CASE LET'S GET RIGHT TO  THE PARK OKAY SO WE WANT TO  TAKE A 10 MINUTE YOU GOT TO  THAT THAT PERFECT THAT.  >> FLOODING INTO THE RIVER AND  INTO OUR WATER MANAGEMENT  CAUSING FLOODING WELL.  >> PUBLIC WORKS WITH A LOT OF  WORK BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE  SURE THAT OUR WATER LEVELS  POSSIBLE FOR AND THE WAR  AGAINST STORM SURGE FLOODING  IN OUR WATER SYSTEMS IF YOU  WANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON  THAT WE HAVE A GREAT THAT A  LOT FOLKS  ♪ >> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS  THE VAN PULL ON THE AQUATICS  MANAGER WITHIN OUR PARKS  RECREATION DEPARTMENT WERE  HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH PORT  AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO TALK TO  EVERYONE ABOUT OUR FLOW FOR  LIFE PROGRAM WE RECOGNIZE THAT  NATIONALLY UNINTENTIONAL  DROWNING IS THE LEADING CAUSE  OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN UNDER  UNDER THE AGE OF 4. SO WE HAVE  AN AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED  FLOAT FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE  IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH  THAT STARTS WITH THE  FUNDAMENTALS OF FLOATING  BEFORE WE ACTUALLY LEARNED  SWIMMING. THIS PROGRAM IS  TARGETED FOR THOSE CHILDREN  AGES 6 MONTHS TO AND WHAT WE  WANT THEM TO DO IS WE WANT  THEM TO GET COMFORTABLE IN THE  WATER AND IF THEY ACTUALLY  FALL IN THE WATER WHERE FIND  THEMSELVES INTO TROUBLE  SITUATION. THEY CAN ROLL OVER  THEIR BACK AND FLOAT WHEN WE  LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM I WE'RE  THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE THAT  WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING THIS  MILESTONE PROGRAM SO WANT TO  GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO OUR NORTH  ROTARY AS WELL WHO SPONSORED  THIS PROGRAM HERE AT THE  AQUATIC CENTER AND ACTUALLY  PAY FOR A TRAINER TO COME ALL  THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA RIVERS  PROGRAM ORIGINATES THERE WE  PRACTICE AND WE GO THROUGH  WHAT'S CALLED MILESTONES HERE  SO AS SOON AS THE KIDS  PROGRESSIVE, THE MILESTONE CAN  CONTINUE MOVING ON THROUGH  THEM AND AT THE END OF IT IT'S  A PRETTY AWESOME PROGRAM WHEN  THEY GRADUATE IS ONE OF THE  FINAL THINGS THAT THEY DO IS  THEY JUMP IN FULLY CLOTHED AND  THEY HAVE TO TURN OVER ROLL  OVER ON THE BACK AND ACTUALLY  BE ABLE TO SCREAM FOR HELP AND  THAT POINT IN TIME, IT'S JUST  AN AWESOME SEGMENT PROGRAM  THAT LEADS RIGHT INTO OUR  LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAM SO THAT  WAY WE CAN MAKE  ♪ SURE WE'RE KEEPING OUR KIDS  SAFE IN ON AND AROUND THE  WATER.  >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER  I AM HERE TODAY WITH VENDITTI  MARIO TELL PEOPLE HERE HAVE  ONLY BEEN DOING JOB, I'VE BEEN  HERE 5 YES 5 YEARS EXCELLENT  EXCELLENT SO MARIO TELL PEOPLE  WHAT IT ENTAILS WHAT YOU DO.  THE PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR  SOLID WASTE THE CITY I GO OUT  AND AGREE THE NEW RESIDENTS  TONIGHT, EDUCATE THEM ON  RECYCLE EXCELLENT SOUNDS  INTERESTING VERY AREA WHEN HE  FOUND INSIDE A RECYCLING BIN  SHOULDN'T BE THERE SO LET'S  TRY TO TELL PEOPLE HOW TO  RECYCLE MOST COMMON THING I  FIND FRANK PLASTIC BAGS.  >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE  I FIND JUST POSTING THE  CONTAINER OR THE BAD THE  RECYCLE WITH HIM AND MISSION  DECIDEDLY COUNTRY THAT'S RIGHT  INSIDE THE BLUE CONTAINERS.  AND THEY SHOULD BE YOU TAKEN  BACK TO THE GROCERY STORE OR  TOSS IN THE TRASH EVERY YOU  SEE A LOT OF RECYCLING INSIDE  THE CONTAINERS OF I COME  ACROSS A LOT DON'T WANT TO DO  THAT SO.  >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY  QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK  AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH  PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH  SOLID WASTE.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOSO I'M THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING  TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S  IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND  WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT,  IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG  BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT LAST  MINUTE TO PACK THEY'RE  DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ITEMS  THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FORGET  AND THE SCRAMBLE TO GET  EVERYTHING TOGETHER SO IT'S  IMPORTANT TO YOUR DOCUMENTS  SUCH AS ID'S INSURANCE  PAPERWORK TITLES FOR YOUR HOME  AND YOUR VEHICLES AND YOUR  BOATS JUST SO THAT IF YOUR  HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL THOSE  DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU AND  THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU DON'T  WANT TO END UP LOSING THOSE  AND HAVING TO TRY TO REPLACE  THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN YOUR GO  BAG THAT YOU SHOULD THINK  ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS YOU  MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD OF  TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF  EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO  REFILL YOUR PRESCRIPTIONS  AHEAD OF TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE  NOT DO YET. SO IT'S IMPORTANT  TO DO THAT ALSO IN YOUR GO  BAGS YOU SHOULD HAVE  NON-PERISHABLE FOOD FLASHLIGHT  BATTERIES, A RADIO THAT IS  BATTERY POWERED AND EXTRA  BATTERIES SHOULD ALL POWER GO  OUT WE WILL BE ABLE TO  BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY  EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE  SURE TO HAVE BATTERY POWERED  RADIO READY IN TUNED IN TO 97  POINT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOS SALE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN PLUG DOWNS AND  EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN  SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM  EVACUATION LEVELS. SO FLOOD  ZONES ARE GENERATED BY FEMA  AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE  THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL  FLOOD AND THEY'RE USED TO  DETERMINE IF YOU  ♪ NEED FLOOD INSURANCE IF YOU  HAVE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR HOME.  NOW THE EVACUATION ZONES ARE  BASED ON STORM SURGE DATA THAT  COMES FROM THE NATIONAL  HURRICANE CENTER. AND THEY USE  TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS  HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR  STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA AND  WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO  NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A  STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT  UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A  DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE  INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT  EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND  WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU  DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH  ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE  SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW YOUR  LEVEL AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU  TO THE SARASOTA COUNTY  GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.  ♪ >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S  KIND OF THE DITCH BY YOUR  HOUSE IS NOT FLOODING.  ♪ WITHIN US AFTER STORM EVENT  WATER SHOULD BE IN THAT SWELL  UP TO 72 HOURS AFTER  ♪ THE STORM. THAT ALLOWS THE  WATER BUILT TO GET THE STUFF  CAME OUT FOR ROOM AND THE ROAD  OUT OF THE WATER SO THAT WHEN  REACHES THE HABITAT IT NO  LONGER HAS THOSE CONTAMINANTS  IN  ♪ AND ALSO PROVIDES OPPORTUNITY  TO SLOW DOWN WATERS SO THAT  THE WATER DOESN'T GO SO FAST  THAT THEIR ROADS. ROADWAYS OR  ANY OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE, SO  WHEN YOU SEE WATER IN IT'S  ONLY YOU KNOW UP TO  ♪ 72 HOURS SINCE THE LAST RAIN  THAT IS NOT LETTING THAT IS  DOING ITS JOB.  >> MINE IN THE VAN PULL IT  FROM THE AQUATIC FACILITY  MANAGER WITH THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO  BE TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT  OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED FROM  A VALUATION SO KIDS  REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS  THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT  CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT  DOING SOMETHING THAT YOU ATION  IS EVERY SWIM LEVEL HAS WHAT'S  CALLED EXIT SKILL ASSESSMENTS.  SO WHAT WE DO IS WE HAVE YOUR  CHILD GET IN THE WATER AND  WILL GO THROUGH A SERIES OF  DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS CAN YOU GO  INTO THE WATER I CAN YOU SHOW  US YOUR PHONE CALL CAN YOU  SHOW US BACK ALL SHOWS  ELEMENTARY BACK DIFFERENT  STROKES WITHIN AND WHAT WE'RE  DOING IS WE'RE TRYING TO SEE.  YOUR CHILD TEST TO BEFORE IT  BECOMES A CHALLENGE FOR THEM  AT THAT POINT WHAT WE ASSESS  THAT THAT WILL LET YOU KNOW  AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND SIGN  YOUR CHILD UP FOR THAT  APPROPRIATE LEVEL THERE. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE  SO THAT WAY WHEN WE'RE  TEACHING A LEVEL ONE WE DON'T  HAVE KIDS THAT SHOULD  POTENTIALLY IN A LEVEL 2 AND  LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE  THEY'RE NOT LEARNING THE  APPROPRIATE SKILLS THAT THEY  NEEDED THAT POINT IN TIME  RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE IN FULL  SUMMER WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE  COME BETWEEN 8.10 DEDUCE FROM  EVALUATION JUST AS YOU CAN  HEAR THE WATER SPLASHING IN  THE BACKGROUND SLIDE.  EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ANY  DAY OF THE THAT OPEN YOU CAN  COME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME  ENOUGH FOR SOME EVALUATIONS WE  ALWAYS HAVE A CERTIFIED SO  MUCH DOCTOR ON SITE THAT HAVE  YOUR CHILD TAKE A SWIM  ASSESSMENT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LASALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN  EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT  HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD  OF TIME AND IT'S VERY  IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN  BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT  SOMEWHERE PRESENT EVERYBODY IN  YOUR FAMILY CAN SEE IT AND  KEEP IT FRESH IN THEIR MINDS  AND YOU ALSO SHARED WITH  PEOPLE IN YOUR FAMILY OR YOUR  NEIGHBORS SO THAT THEY KNOW  WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE AHEAD OF  TIME AND HOW TO GET A HOLD OF  YOUR WAY TO LOOK FOR YOU AFTER  A DISASTER FOR YOUR EVACUATION  YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE  ROUTES TO GET TO LOCATION.  YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO TO JUST  BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS TRAFFIC ON  75 MIGHT BE GRIDLOCKED THERE  COULD BE SOME VERY GOOD BACK  ROADS TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE  GOING THAT COULD GET YOU THERE  MORE QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING  STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE  MAKING EVACUATION PLAN. WE  USUALLY TELL YOU 4 DIFFERENT  THINGS YOU SHOULD STAY HOME IF  YOU ARE NOT IN HIS OWN THAT'S  BEING EVACUATED AND IF YOUR  HOME IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE  FORECASTED STORM IF YOU CAN  STAY HOME. AND YOU EVACUATE  YOUR NEXT OPTION SHOULD BE TO  GO TO A FRIEND OUR FAMILY'S  HOME THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE  EVACUATION AREA AND IT IS  STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO US AND  THE STORM 3RD OPTION WOULD BE  GO TO A HOTEL. THEY'RE MUCH  MORE COMFORTABLE THAN I BACK  AWAY SHUNS CENTER'S 4TH OPTION  WOULD BE TO GO TO ONE OF OUR  EVACUATION CENTER SARASOTA 1  O'CLOCK WITH OUR.  >> CHAPTER 5 ON SIGN  REGULATIONS. I BELIEVE. WE  GOOD. THE SPARTANS ARE YOU  GOING TO.  ♪ ♪ IT'S SOMETHING ON TOO.  >> MAYOR I HAVE CONCLUDED MY  PRESENTATION AND I'M HAPPY TO  THE COMMISSION HAS THAT THIS  POINT. COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR I  JUST HAVE A FEW CLARIFICATION  QUESTIONS THAT'S A PYLON I  COULDN'T FIND A DEFINITION FOR  THAT AND THE DEFINITION FROM  SOCIETIES WHERE IT'S AT.  FARMS.  >> THERE ARE 2 DIFFERENT KINDS  OF FREESTANDING SIGNS. WHY IS  GROUND TYNER MONUMENTS TIME.  THANKS TO THE GROUND. BASE OF  THE STRUCTURE IS TWO-THIRDS  THE WITH THE THE  >> UP ALL OUR PYLONS TIME.  MORE CALLS UPRIGHT POSTS. BUT  IT DOES NOT HAVE THAT ACE  STRUCTURE THAT ENCLOSES THOSE  POSTS. AND THAT IS NOT UNDER  THE DEFINITION OF FREESTANDING  SIGN THERE ARE 2 DIFFERENT  HEIGHTS.  >> ON THE DEFINITIONS SO PAGE  11. THE SIGN WHAT ABOUT THE  WITH NO MESSAGE. 11.  >> I'M BILLY AND SIGNS THAT  HAVE NO MESSAGE OR WHICH ARE  NOT ADDRESSED AIR BALLOONS ARE  BLOOMS.  >> WE IF THE COMMISSION WISHES  TO HAVE.  >> HAVE NO BALLOONS SIGNS AND  OTHER WORDS.  >> NO.  >> BLOW UP AN INFLATABLE  ATTENTION GETTING DEVICES.  DON'T HAVE A MESSAGE ON WE CAN  MODIFY DEFINITION.  >> I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANYTHING  I'M JUST SO THIS IS SO THAT  I'M CLEAR ON WHAT THE  INTENTION I KIND OF LIKE THOSE  WE'RE A LITTLE GUYS, YEAH TO  ATTRACT ATTENTION.  >> ON PAGE 22. UNDER SECTION  5.1 POINT A PROHIBITED SIGNS.  I SAY VEHICLE  >> YES VEHICLE SIGNS ARE  DEFINED IN THE DEFINITION  SECTION AND THE INTENT HERE IS  TO REGULATE. THEY USE VEHICLES  FOR. COMMERCIAL OR  NON-COMMERCIAL MASSIVE AS THE  SOLE PURPOSE. AND OTHER WORDS,  SOMEONE HAS A PANEL VAN AND  THEY PARK IT A PARKING LOT AT  A INTERSECTION AND IT REMAINS  THERE. IT DOES NOT MOVE IT IS  NOT USED IN THE RIGHT REGULAR  COURSE OF SOMEONE'S IS NUTS.  SO IF YOU READ CLOSELY THE  DEFINITION. THERE ARE FACTORS  DETERMINING WHETHER A VEHICLE  IS USED IN THE USUAL COURSE OR  OPERATION A BUSINESS AND AS IS  THE VEHICLE OPERABLE IT'S A  COSTLY REGISTERED, DOES THAT  PLAY A ROLE IN THE BUSINESS IS  IT FREQUENTLY MOVED OPERATING  IN THE COURSE OF THE BUSINESS.  SO IF SOMEONE HAS A COMMERCIAL  VEHICLE THAT THEY USE FOR WORK  THAT THEY BRING HOME THAT THEY  PARK IN THEIR DRIVEWAY  OVERNIGHT. THAT DOES NOT  CONSTITUTE A VEHICLE SIGN. IF  A BUSINESS HAS A FLEET OF  VEHICLES THAT THEY PARK IN  THEIR PARKING LOT AND THE  COURSE OF THEIR BUSINESS. IT  IS NOT A VEHICLE SIGN. IF YOU  HAVE A SOME TYPE OF RETAIL  STORE. AND A PLAZA.  >> TASTE SIGNAGE ALL OVER THE  PARK IT AT THE PUMP UP THE  PARKING LOT AND IT DOESN'T  MOVE.  >> IT'S CLEAR THAT THE SOLE  PURPOSE IS USING A VEHICLE AS  A.  >> I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT.  OK COULD YOU CLARIFY FOR ME.  I'M ON PAGE 24 AND AND I GET  AXA'S PROHIBITED. THAT'S  PRETTY CLEAR. HE IS PRIMARY.  THAT'S ALLOWED ACCESSORY TO  ILLEGALLY IMPROVED SITE. COULD  YOU GIVE ME SOME EXAMPLES  ♪ FOR THAT ARE CLARIFY THAT FOR  ME.  ♪ >> IT'S  >> 24 OKAY.  >> SO HE IS PERMISSIBLE THAT  MEANS YOU CAN HAVE IT ON E-BAY  AND UNPROVED PROPERTY. YEAH  AND THAT WOULD BE YOUR  PERSONAL EXPRESSION SIGN YOUR  LIMITED DURATION TIME.  ASSESSOR A TO A LEGALLY  IMPROVE SITE WOULD BE THE SITE  WORK. CIRCLE K. OVER HERE IT  HAS. IT'S DEVELOPED IT WAS  APPROVED THROUGH A SITE PLAN  AND HOUSEBUILDING.  >> AND SO SEEING THAT SIGNAGE  ANY SHOPPING CENTER ANY  BUSINESS ENTITY.  >> ANY SINGLE FAMILY HOME.  >> THAT HAS AND AUTHORIZE  LIMITED DURATION SIGN. IN  THEIR YARD.  >> OKAY THANK YOU FOR THAT AND  IF I'M TAKING TOO MUCH ARE  JUST JUST MOVED ME ALONG MORE  SURE DAYS. I HAD A QUESTION  ABOUT PERSONAL EXPRESSION  SIGNS BUT WITH TALKED ABOUT  THAT.  >> UNDER GENERAL STANDARDS  PAGE 30.  >> SO  >> ON PRIVATE PROPERTY MUST  MAINTAIN A MINIMUM 5 FOOT.  SETBACK.  >> IS IS THAT FROM THE CITIES.  RIGHT OF WAY 5.  >> FROM THEIR PROPERTY FROM  THE PROPERTY LINE OK SO IT  WOULDN'T BE FROM THE STREET  IT'S FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE.  >> WHAT WHAT ARE OTHER.  >> COMMUNITIES DOING AND JUST  WHEN I READ THAT IT STRUCK ME  IS JUST A. IS THAT A LITTLE  EXCESSIVE SO IS THE REASON  VISIBILITY OR SAFETY WHAT'S  THE REASONING BEHIND.  >> THAT SETBACK UP THE  REASONING AS 10 GENERAL  DISABILITY AND DESTRUCTION OF  DRIVERS EVERY RIGHT OF WAY IS  DIFFERENT SOME RIGHT OF PROVED  UP TO THE PROPERTY OF A  BOULEVARD WITH A SIDEWALK.  THEY ARE VERY CLOSELY IMPROVED  RIGHT OF WAYS RIGHT UP TO THE  PROPERTY LINE. SO YOU WOULDN'T  WANT SOMEONE PLACING THAT SIGN  BETWEEN THE SIDEWALK AND THE  ROAD. IF YOU WANTED TO BE ON  THEIR PROPERTY AND YOU WANTED  TO BE SAT SUCH A DISTANCE THAT  IT'S NOT GOING TO BE  DISTRACTION TO A STRANDED  DRIVER WHAT WHAT MIGHT HAVE  YOU.  >> BECAUSE THE REASON FOR  ASSIGNMENTS CATCH THE EYE NOT.  >> YES, IT FOR 12 SQUARE-FOOT  OF SIGNAGE IS NOT EASY. IT'S A  MESS EVEN WITH THE MUCH.  >> ON PAGE 39, THERE'S A SET  OF REGULATIONS, SPECIFIC TO  WELLEN PARK.  >> SO.  >> WHAT I'M READING HERE IT'S  THAT ALREADY REFLECTING THE  PATTON BOOK OF WELLEN PARK AND  WE'RE JUST.  >> COULD FIND KIND OF FLYING  AT.  >> AND OUR ULDC THERE CHANGES  NOW THERE ARE THIS SECTION IS  NOT JUST FOR WELL ON OUR KITS  FOR WELLEN PARK TOLEDO VILLAGE  AND WHAT HALF AT A LUNCH. THAT  IS SO THAT WE HAVE A QUICK  REFERENCE OR DIMENSIONAL YOU  KNOW AS YOU CAN SEE WHILE IN  PARK VILLAGE A B AND  REGULATIONS ARE THE SAME AS  OUR AND THE SAME GOES FOR IF  MY MEMORY IS SERVING ME  CORRECTLY, THE SAME GOES FOR  TOLEDO VILLAGE AND BOBCAT  VILLAGE BUT THIS JUST GIVES US  A QUICK REFERENCE THAT'S  DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS NUMBER  SIZE SIGN AND WE CAN REVIEW  THAT INFORMATION EASILY WHEN  WE RECEIVE A PERMIT OR WE CAN  CONVEY THAT INFORMATION IS LEE  WHEN SOMEONE ASKS US RATHER  THAN GOING AND CALLING AN  INDIVIDUAL PATTERN PLAN  POURING THROUGH THE WHOLE  BUCK.  >> I FIGURE OUT WHAT SIZE TIME  THEY'RE PERMITTED I GET IT I  MIGHT SUGGEST AND AGAIN THIS  IS AN EDGE BUT I MIGHT SUGGEST  CALLING IT SOMETHING AND USING  LONG PARK AS AN EXAMPLE RATHER  THAN WEST I JUST KIND OF SET  ME OFF ON THE TRACK WITH THE  INTENTION. THAT'S IT FOR NOW  THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> AND PIGGYBACK OFF OF SOME  OF THE THINGS THAT  COMMISSIONER LANGDON ALREADY  UP AND FIRST JUST GOING TO BE  ABOUT VEHICLE TO THE  DEFINITION OF THE VEHICLES  TIME WHICH IS REALLY  CUMBERSOME TO READ I'M HOPEFUL  THAT YOU GUYS MIGHT CLEAN THAT  UP LITTLE BIT. BECAUSE WHEN  YOU LOOK AT THE DEFINITION OF  A VEHICLE SIGN AND THEN YOU  LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THE  TABLES, IT IS PROHIBITED.  >> ALTHOUGH THE DEFINITION  SAYS UNLESS UNLESS.  >> THE TABLE IS SAYING IT'S SO  THAT'S WHY I'M SUGGESTING  MAYBE SOME CLARITY AND THAT  THE OTHER THING THAT IT SAYS  ITS. FACTORS TO CONSIDER IN  DETERMINING THIS VEHICLE IS  USED IN THE USUAL COURSE AND  OPERATION OF THE BUSINESS. YOU  GAVE THE EXAMPLE THAT HEY  MAYBE THERE'S A VEHICLE THAT'S  SITTING IN THE PARKING LOT FOR  A MONTH. WELL THAT'S NOT THE  USUAL COURSE OF BUSINESS WHO  ARE WE TO SAY THAT IT IS OR  ISN'T WHEN THE OWNER OF THAT  BUSINESS WHO DRIVES A TRUCK IS  AWAY ON VACATION ARE  RECUPERATING FROM SURGERY AND  IT'S SITTING IN THAT PARKING  LOT BECAUSE HE'S NOT ALLOWED  TO BRING IT HOME. SO IT SO  THAT TO ME IS KIND OF A A  STICKY WOULD GET. THE OTHER  THING IS THE VEHICLE HAS A  CURRENT REGISTRATION IN THE  STATE OF FLORIDA. THERE'S MANY  PEOPLE THAT COME DOWN HERE AND  THEY'RE VISITING MAYBE THEIR  FAMILY AND THEY'RE TAKING  THEIR COMPANY VEHICLE AND IT  STILL VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT  AWAY IT'S NOT GOING TO BE  ALLOWED. SO THERE'S A LOT OF  THINGS IN THAT DEFINITION THAT  MIGHT NEED TO BE CLARIFIED BUT  THE BIGGEST CONCERN I HAVE IS  IT IS IN THE TABLE AS  PROHIBITED. NOT AS LIKE  PROHIBITED WITHIN ASKED  STRICT. BUT JUST OUTRIGHT  PROHIBITED SO IF YOU'RE CODE  YOU SEE THAT POOR GUY THAT'S  RECOVERING FROM SURGERY FOR  THE PAST 4 MONTHS IN HIS  VEHICLE IS SITTING THERE AND  SITTING THERE AND SITTING  THERE HE'S GOING TO GET CITED  FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S. NOT IN  THE COURSE OF ACTION BUT IT  SHOULD BE PROHIBITED  AUTOMATICALLY BECAUSE THE  TABLE SENSE.  >> PART THE DEFINITION SO THAT  IT HAS NOT INCLUDE THE  VERBIAGE OF UNLESS IT WELL  STATE UNDER THE FOLLOWING  CONDITIONS SIGNS A FIX TO  VEHICLES ARE NOT CONSIDERED  VEHICLE SCIENCE AND THAT  SHOULD CLARIFY THAT PORTION  HAPPY THE CHANGE REGISTERED IN  THE STATE OF FLORIDA TO  CURRENT REGISTRATION.  >> AND KEEPING IN MIND THE YOU  KNOW BUSINESS OWNER IS  RECOVERING FROM SURGERY AND  IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE. OUR  OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS  ARE PRETTY GOOD ABOUT GOING  INTO THE BUSINESS AND TALKING  TO THE PEOPLE AND SAYING GEE I  NOTICE VEHICLES BEEN PARKED  HERE. YOU KNOW FOR 45 DAYS AND  IT HASN'T MOVED IN YOU KNOW WE  DO HAVE THIS REGULATION AND I  WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S  NOT A REASON.  >> WHY THIS HAS BEEN AND MAY  HAVE TO SIT IN OPERABLE AS IS  THERE AN ISSUE WITH THE  OPERATION OF YOUR BUSINESS OR  IS THIS INTENTIONALLY BEING  PARKED OUT HERE.  >> FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF  SIGNAGE I THINK THAT YOU KNOW  MANY OF OUR REGULATIONS WE  HAVE TO GIVE OUR CODE  ENFORCEMENT SOME WANTED TO TO  HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND  TO WORK WITH COMMUNITY AND  MONITOR THE SITUATION BEFORE  THEY IMMEDIATELY WRITE A  CITATION.  >> THANK YOU FOR THIS NIGHT  SIGNS A VERY SIMILAR  SITUATION. SNIPES LINES ARE  PROHIBITED.  >> THROUGHOUT YOUR TABLES.  HOWEVER, THE DEFINITION DOES  PERMIT THEM. IF IT'S WITH  PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY  OWNER. SO MAYBE AND AND AND  I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE  IS AN IDEA IN A SUGGESTION  INSTEAD OF HAVING JUST THE 3  THE A'S NEXT AND THE PEA MAYBE  THERE SHOULD BE THAT LITTLE  ASKED RICK THAT SAYS SEE  DEFINITION BECAUSE THERE MIGHT  BE SOME CAVEATS TO THAT  OUTRIGHT PROHIBIT HAITIAN.  >> SO A SNIPE SIGN THE  DEFINITION NEEDS TO BE READ  AND PERHAPS WE CAN REALLY  RECLASSIFY THE LATTER PART OF  THE SENTENCE AS ANOTHER TYPE  OF SIGN THERE'S REALLY ISSUES  WITH CLARITY THERE SNIPES TIME  AS SIGNED TACKED MAILED HOSTED  PASTED CLUED OUR OTHERWISE  ATTACHED TO TREES POLES STATES  PENCE'S PUBLIC PENSIONS STREET  SIGNS.  >> OR OTHER OBJECTS. OR  DISPLAYED ON ANY PRIVATE  PROPERTY OWNER WITHOUT THE  PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY  OWNER SO A SIGN DISPLAYED ON  ANY PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT  PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY  OWNER AS A SNIPE SIGN.  >> A SIGN HIS TACK NEIL PACE  TO  >> POST INCLUDE.  >> ON A POLE CETERA ET CETERA  IS ALSO A SNIPES TIME.  >> SO IF YOU ELIMINATE THE  TACK MALE PACE TO CLEAR MIKE  CEIDE ALSO INCLUDES A SIGN OR  OTHER OBJECT DISPLAYED ON ANY  PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHOUT  PERMISSION OF THE PROPERTY  OWNER.  >> I UNDERSTAND I'M JUST  LOOKING FOR CLARITY OF IT  BECAUSE THE TABLE IS SHOWING  THAT IT'S PROHIBITED THE  DEFINITION HAS KATHY A TO IT  THAT'S THAT'S ON BRINGING UP.  BECAUSE IF I WANT TO. MISSION  OF THE PROPERTY OWNER.  >> IF YOU HAVE PERMISSION OF  THE PROPERTY OWNER.  >> AND THEY HAVE A UTILITY  POLE. ON THEIR PROPERTY.  >> AND YOU PASTE A SIGN ON  THAT UTILITY POLE. IT'S STILL  A SIGN.  >> NOW BUT HE'S SAYING IT'S  PROHIBITED IN THE TABLES AND  THAT HAS GOT HAVE SO IT'S SIGN  IS PROHIBITED SO ITS NIGHT  SIDE. I SOMETHING PASTED ON A  UTILITY POLE.  >> OR IT  >> COULD BE.  >> A STICK IN YARD SIGN,  SOMEONE PUT SOMEONE'S YARD  WITHOUT THEIR PERMISSION. I  CAN I CAN SEE IF I CAN WORK ON  SOMETHING TO SEGREGATE SHEET  THAT THANK YOU.  >> ELECTION SIGNS AND I KNOW  WE'VE KIND OF TOUCHED UPON  THAT THROUGHOUT THE VARIOUS  DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD  TODAY. YES I CAN PUT AN  ELECTION SIGN IN MY YARD  YESTERDAY BUSINESS CAN ALLOW  ME TO PUT ELECTION SIGN ON  THEIR PROPERTY AS LONG AS IT  NEEDS THE DURATION DEFINITION.  WE HAVE A SERIOUS.  >> THING THAT IS COMING UP IN  NOVEMBER. THAT ADDRESS IS CITY  HALL AND OUTSIDE OF. LET'S SAY  CHURCHES AND IN THE RIGHT OF  WAY WHEN WHEN CANDIDATES WANT  TO ADVERTISE VOTE FOR ME. THIS  COLD GOES THROUGH WILL THEY BE  ALLOWED TO PUT. CANDIDATES  SIGNED IN CITY CENTER GREEN  AREA AT THE AT THE CIRCLE  AREA. IT'S ONLY FOR ONE DAY  AND THE WAY I'M READING THIS  ISN'T SNOW. THEY WOULDN'T BE  ALLOWED TO.  >> CITY CENTER GREEN IS NOT  PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IT IS NOT  CLOUDED PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY  CITY OWNED PROPERTY. THERE ARE  ALSO REGULATIONS AND I DEFER  TO THE CLARK BECAUSE I AM NOT  WELL WELL VERSED ON THEM,  THEY'RE ALSO REGULATIONS ON  HOW CLOSE TO A POLLING PLACE.  YOU CAN POST YOUR SO IF THE  CITY COMMISSION WANTED TO  ADOPT A POLICY TO ALLOW  CERTAIN TYPES OF SIGNAGE AND  CITY CENTER GREEN. I'M CERTAIN  TYPES OF OCCASION THAT'S NOT  PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. SO. THESE  REGULATIONS ALLOW THESE SIGNS.  AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS  COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AND OTHER  DISTRICTS AND THAT IS FOR AND  THE PROPERTY WITH PERMISSION  OF THE PROPERTY OWNER. OKAY,  SO IF THERE SPACE AND CITY  CENTER GREEN THAT MEETS THE  DISTANCING REQUIREMENTS UNDER  THE ELECTION LAWS AND THE CITY  COMMISSION WANTS TO ADOPT A  POLICY TO ALLOW EVERY  CANDIDATE TO PUT EVERY SIGN  THEY WANT CONSIDER CITY RAIN  ON ELECTION DAY AT THE MCABEE  THOUGHT. DOES NOT NEED TO  ADDRESSED AND THE SIGN POLICY.  THANK YOU FOR THIS TIME I  THANK YOU FOR THAT.  >> THERE WAS A THING ABOUT  CITIES CERTIFICATE OF ZONING  COMPLIANCE. I I DON'T KNOW  WHAT PAGE YOU GUYS HAVE IT'S  SECTION. 5 DASH ONE DASH 5 BE  NUMBER 2. IT SAYS THAT THE  APPLICANT SHALL INCLUDE A COPY  OF THEIR BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT.  IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PUT UP  A SIGN. ON THEIR PROPERTY.  THERE ARE MANY NONPROFITS THAT  I KIND DID A QUICK RESEARCH  BECAUSE BUSINESS. IS LIKE. A  FOR PROFIT BUSINESS WORDS  NONPROFIT DON'T HAVE A  BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT. AND IF I  AM A NONPROFIT AND I WANT TO  PUT A SIGN UP I HAVE TO HAVE A  BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT ORDER TO  GET THROUGH THE PROCESS AND I  JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT  SOMETHING WILL BE DONE TO  ADDRESS THE NONPROFITS TO GET  THROUGH THE PROCESS BECAUSE  THEY DON'T HAVE A BUSINESS  >> FIRST OF THE REQUIREMENT TO  SUBMIT THE BUSINESS TAX  RECEIPT WAS ON ADVICE OF  OUTSIDE COUNSEL. NUMBER ONE  NUMBER 2 AS I MENTIONED IN MY  RESPONSES TO YOUR COMMENTS ARE  NOT THERE ARE.  >> I HAVE NOT GOTTEN RESPONSES  TO YOUR CAUSE TO THE COMMENTS  I SENT OUT THAT'S WHY I'M  ASKING THE QUESTIONS. WHEN DID  YOU SEND THE RESPONSES MAN.  >> ANYWAYS IT DOESN'T MATTER  WE HEAR SO THANK YOU I WILL  READ IT I WILL GO FORWARD WITH  I CAN I CAN ANSWER BRIEFLY I  CAN ANSWER A LOT OF  COMMUNITIES REQUIRE A BUSINESS  TAX RECEIPT REGISTRATION EVEN  FOR NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS,  THEY SIMPLY DON'T CHARGE E AND  THIS WAY THEY HAVE A RECORD OF  WHERE.  >> HE'S.  >> WHERE ALL THE.  ORGANIZATIONS ARE OPERATING  FROM SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES IS  THEM TO TRACK FIRE  INSPECTIONS. I DID NOT HAVE  TIME TO CHECK WITH OUR FIRE  DEPARTMENTS IF THEY UTILIZE  THEM THAT WAY.  >> WE'LL WE'LL COME BACK WITH  A FINAL DRAFT WITH EITHER  ELIMINATION FOR CLARITY ON THE  BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT AS IT  RELATES TO NONPROFIT  APPRECIATE THAT NOW I  UNDERSTAND WHY YOU SEEM A  LITTLE IRRITATED WITH MY  QUESTIONS BECAUSE I HAVEN'T  SEEN THEM YOU DID NOT KNOW I  DID SEE THEM SO I APPRECIATE  THAT THANK YOU.  >> GIVE ME A LITTLE BIT OF  LATITUDE HERE BECAUSE THERE  MIGHT BE SOME ITEMS WE NEED TO  DISCUSS AND GET CONSENSUS ON  WHO MY QUESTION. I WILL.  >> SKIP OVER THE PRO. ONE HOLD  ON ONE 2ND. THERE'S A COUPLE  THINGS IN THE CHART I WILL.  THE VERY ONE ABOUT MAJOR  VARIANCE.  >> SO IF IT'S A MINOR VARIANCE  IT'S BASICALLY GIVING STAFF  THE LATITUDE TO INCREASE AND A  SMALL AMOUNT. IT SEEMS THAT IF  THERE'S A MAJOR CHANGE IF THEY  WANT THAT EXCEEDS THE MINOR  VARIANTS THAT STAFF WILL HAVE  THE ABILITY TO APPROVE. IT  WILL GO BEFORE THE HEARING  OFFICER, THE ZONING HEARING  OFFICER. WHENEVER THERE'S  ULDC. CHANGING COLD, IT'S  CALLED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION  SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ARE ALWAYS  APPROVED BY THE COMMISSION.  WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE TIMES WHERE  A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR A  MODIFICATION A WAIVER TO THE  CODE COMES BEFORE THE  COMMISSION AND WE APPROVED  THAT. IT IS NOW GOING TO  REMOVE THE COMMISSION AND JUST  GO DIRECTLY TO THE HEARING  OFFICER AND I REALLY DON'T  THINK THAT THAT'S WHY I REALLY  THINK WE ARE THE LEGISLATORS.  WE ARE THE ONES THAT SHOULD BE  APPROVING ANY SPECIAL  EXCEPTIONS SLASH WAIVERS OR  VARIANCES OR OR MODIFICATION  SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO KIND  GET THE FEEL FOR MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS ON THAT BECAUSE  WE'RE THE LEGISLATORS NOT  ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS OR THE  ZONING HEARING OFFICER.  >> SO SO UNDER THE CURRENT  REGULATIONS OF DEVELOPER CAN  REQUEST A MODIFICATION TO  REGULATIONS AND SEVERAL  DIFFERENT CHAPTERS OF THE  COUNTY.  >> WE FOR FOR 8 IT THE ABILITY  TO ASK FOR WAIVERS AND THE  SIGN CHAPTER. OUR LEGAL  COUNSEL DID RECOMMEND THAT WE  STICK WITH THE VARIANCES AND  THE STRICT CRITERIA, THERE AND  AS I MENTIONED BEFORE THE SIGN  ALLOWANCES THAT WE HAVE  PROPOSED ARE DESIGNED TO  PROVIDE FOR ADEQUATE SIGNAGE  BASED ON BUILDING SIZE AND  MASS AND SO WE DON'T SEE THESE  WAIVER REQUESTS OR  MODIFICATIONS. THE COMING  THROUGH A MASTER PLAN FOR  DEVELOPMENT MASTER PLAN TIE  PROCESS. WE'VE GIVEN PLENTY OF  SIGNAGE OPPORTUNITIES THAT CAN  BE CONSISTENT WITH BUILDING  SIZE AND MASS AND PROPERTY  SIZE. WE'VE WE'VE PROVIDED FOR  SOME LIMITED. ADMINISTRATIVE  DISCRETION. AS FAR AS MAKING  SLIGHT ADJUSTMENTS TO SCIENCE.  TO DISTANCE BETWEEN SIGNS ET  CETERA AND WE BELIEVE THAT  WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THE  REQUEST TO MODIFY THE  REGULATIONS ON THE LEVEL THAT  WE HAVE IN THE PAST. ZONING  HEARING OFFICER, THE ZONING  BOARD OF APPEALS UNDER THE  CURRENT STRUCTURE THEY APPROVE  ALL OTHER VARIANCES TO THE  CODE UNLESS THEY'RE PART OF A  MASTER PLAN PROJECT GOES  THROUGH SITE DEVELOPMENT  REVIEW. SO THAT ALL BACK THERE  COMPLY WITH THE SIGN  REGULATIONS. IF YOU NEED AN  ADMINISTRATIVE THEIR VARIANCE  APPLY FOR WON. AND IF YOU NEED  MORE THAN THAT SHOW US THAT  YOU HAVE SPECIAL CONDITIONS OR  HARDSHIPS LOT THIS OWNING  HEARING OFFICER WEIGH THE  EVIDENCE TO MAKE A DECISION AS  TO WHETHER AS CRITERIA FOR  PARENTS ON THAT. SO IF YOU  KNOW IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS  QUESTION HERE THAT NEEDS TO BE  ASKED. YOU KNOW WE'LL BRING  THAT BACK TO OUR LEGAL COUNSEL  THE MAJORITY OF THE COMMISSION  WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE  DEPARTURES FROM THE SIGN COME  BACK TO YOU ALL AND SET UP A  ZONING HEARING OFFICER AND  WE'LL HAVE THEM WEIGH IN ON  THAT.  >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING  THANK YOU FOR THAT, BUT FOR ME  A VARIANCE IS. THIS IS THE  CODE AND YOU WANT TO DEVIATE  FROM THAT. KOCH.  >> AND WHETHER YOU CALL IT A  MODIFICATION WHEN YOU CALL IT  A SPECIAL EXCEPTION WOULD YOU  CALL IT UP A WAIVER FOR NOW A  VARIANCE THEY ALL SAY THE SAME  THING YOU'RE YOU'RE DEVIATING  FROM WHAT THE COMMISSION HAS  APPROVED AS THE COLD. TO HAVE  SOMEBODY ELSE APPROVED THAT  DEVIATION THAT SHOULD BE I  FIRMLY BELIEVE THE  COMMISSION'S PURVIEW NOT  ANYBODY ELSE'S PURVIEW YOU  KNOW I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR WHAT  MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS THINK  ON THAT SUBJECT. AND I LEAVE I  HAVE ALL OTHER QUESTIONS  ANSWERED HOPE DEPENDING ON  YOU. RESPONDED TO. SO IF. I  LIKE TO SEE AND OKAY,  >> I JUST ONE QUESTION ABOUT  SNIPES NOT. I FIND IS SIGN  THAT DOES NOT HAVE PERMISSION  FROM PROPERTY OUT THAT REALLY  THAT'S PART OF THAT.  >> RIGHT OKAY, IT'S NIGHT TIME  AS ANY TIME AT THE PROPERTY  OWNER HAS NOT GIVEN PERMISSION  FOR THE SITE TO BE THERE. YES,  NICE SIDE CAN ALSO BE A SIGN  PASTED TACT POSTED ON A TREE  ON THE UTILITY POLE A STREET  SIGN.  >> I'M A PUBLIC PARK BENCH.  >> ANYWHERE THAT IT IS.  >> HACK I HAVE SEEN I HAVE  SEEN IT'S NOT SIGNS ATTACHED  TO IT'S JUST A PERMANENT  SIGNS. I HAVE SEEN. I SAW HIM  ON A UTILITY BALL ON MY SON'S  SCHOOL. A DIFFERENT  JURISDICTION.  >> THAT THIS IS A SNIPE  >> I THINK THAT WAS A LITTLE.  SARCASM IN AS MUCH THEY WERE  NOT HAPPY THAT THEY WERE  SEEING ALL THESE SNIPE SIGNS  AND NOBODY WAS TAKING THEM  WE'VE GOT A KICK OUT ABOUT  FORTUNATELY THEY HAVE IT UP SO  HIGH. I COULDN'T GET IT DOWN  TO PUBLIC DOWN. SO YES. THE  SNIPER SITE CAN BE WON OR TOO  UP OR TOO THANKS. AND AGAIN,  I'M I'M HAPPY CONSIDER PERHAPS  FIGURING OUT HOW TO SEPARATE  THAT DEFINITION. I'M GIVING IT  A IT'S NOT TIME IS THEY OR A 2  OR JUST PULLING OUT THAT.  SECOND CLAUSE IN THE  DEFINITION AND COST CALLING IT  SOMETHING ELSE OKAY BECAUSE I  I SEE THAT YOU HAVE ITS OWN  LIST IT THAT THEY'RE  PROHIBITED RESIDENTIAL AREAS.  I JUST.  >> WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT  THAT LINE IS THIS SOMEBODY.  AND CANNOT PUT A SIGN IN THEIR  YARD ON STAKES. FOR ANY  REASON.  >> THAT THEY THINK THEY THEY  CAN IT'S THEIR SIMON OR IF  THEY'VE GIVEN PERMISSION FOR  SOMEBODY ELSE TO PUT IT THERE  THEY CAN PUT IT ON THE UTILITY  POLE OKAY, THAT'S AND THERE  YOU CLEARLY THEY DIDN'T GET  SOME THINGS PERMISSION RIGHT  SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.  >> AND THEN MY SECOND PART OF  THE QUESTION IS FENCES AND  THEN I WOULD HAVE TO JUST  ISSUE YEARS AGO WITH THE  PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG SUMPTER  THE BACKUP CENTER HAVE FENCES.  SOMEBODY HAD IS THAT A  DIFFERENT. SECOND SECTION IN  ARCO THAT EVEN IF THEY HAVE  PERMISSION FROM THE OWNER THEY  CAN'T PUT A SIGN ON THE ON THE  SIDE OF THEIR FENCE FACING  SUMPTER.  >> YES THAT IS SIGNED A  PETITION YS.  LIMIT.  >> THE.  >> LOCATION AND HAND PLACEMENT  >> AND ALONG THE SAME LINES. I  DON'T KNOW IF WE CHANGE THIS  EVEN WITH FENCES RECAP ALL I  KNOW AT ONE TIME. THE BATTERS  AT THE SCHOOL ATHLETIC FIELDS  COULD NOT FACE OUT THEY HAD A  FACE AND THAT'S STILL ON THE  BOTH.  >> OR DO WE CHANGE THAT.  >> IS CORRECT SO SO YOU'LL SEE  AND THE TABLES AT THE FAT  SIGNS ARE LISTED AS A SUS 3,  2, PERMISSIBLE PRIMARY OKAY  CHAPTER ABOUT 2 POUNDS I'M  DEFINITION TO SEE WHERE THERE  ARE A LOT. DEFENSE SIDE IS  ATTACHED TO RECREATIONAL  FENCES AROUND ACTIVITY FIELDS,  PLAYGROUNDS, PLAYING FIELDS  WHERE THE SIGNS ARE ONLY  VISIBLE FROM INSIDE THE PARK.  IF THEY'RE VISIBLE. I'M  OUTSIDE PARK. THEY SPEAK  INSIDE THE PARK  >> THAT DOES FOR HOMEOWNERS  THEY CAN BUT I KNOW THAT  BECAUSE IT IS NOT A  RECREATIONAL AROUND AND  ACTIVITY FEEL PLAYGROUND  PLAYING OUT. A BALL FIELD  BASEBALL DIAMONDS. DO WE HAVE  ANYTHING THAT PERTAINS TO.  IT'S NOT ADDRESSED IS  ALLOWABLE OR PERMISSIBLE  PRIMARY IT'S NOT A LOT.  >> YEAH CAN I PIGGYBACK OFF  YEAH IF I PUT THE SIGN UP IN  MICE, MY FENCES ALONG SUMPTER  TO USE YOUR EXAMPLE, IT'S MY  AND I WANT TO PUT A SIGN ON MY  FENCE THAT FACES SUMPTER I'M  ALLOWED TO.  >> THAT IS NOT OTHER  REGULATIONS ARE CURRENTLY. F  THE COMMISSION WISHES TO ALLOW  SOMETIMES YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO  SO MOST COMMUNITIES ONLY ALLOW  ON SIGNS ON RECREATIONAL  FIELDS. AGAIN IF THE  COMMISSION WHICH IS TO ALLOW  ANYBODY IN THE CITY PUT UP  TIME ON LOANS AS LONG AS IT  COMPLIES WITH ALL THE OTHER  REGULATIONS AND WE CAN CHANGE  THAT ACTS TO ALLOW UP. MOST  COMMUNITIES DO NOT ALLOW SIGNS  OUTSIDE OF RECREATIONAL WOULD  GET INTO REGULATING WHAT YOU  WANT.  >> WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE  IT INTO SAME. AND COMMISSIONER  DOG WENT THROUGH THIS YEARS  AGO WHEN I KNEW SOMEBODY ON  SUMPTER PUT OUR TOWARD A PORT  SIGNED AND THE CITY CAME AND  GAVE I KNOW I THINK THE FINE  FOR THEM, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE  THAT WAS STILL ON.  >> AND THE FOLLOWING IT.  >> BY THEN IT'S ON PRIVATE  PROPERTY. IT'S A SIGN ATTACHED  TO A FENCE. IT SHOULD BE  ALLOWED.  >> REGARDLESS IF IT'S A PEOPLE  FOR TREES SIGN AN ELECTION  SIGN THAT HEY I THE WORLD  SIGN. WHO'S THE CITY TO MAKE  YOU KNOW WHAT'S ON MY IN MY  PROPERTY.  >> SO THAT MAYBE STAFF CAN  REALLY LOOK AT THAT A LITTLE  BIT PLAYER BECAUSE. AND SO  RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW TIMES HAD  A PITCHERS ARE THAT SIZE ARE  LIMITED TO RECREATIONAL  PLAYING FIELDS AND THERE'S  CONSENSUS ON THE COMMISSION TO  ALLOW ON SIGNS ANYWHERE AS  LONG AS THEY COMPLY WITH THE  OTHER UP OR REGULATIONS WILL  REWRITE THE DRAFT.  >> BUT YOU MAKE IT  >> MAYOR RIGHT BE HAPPY TO  MAKE A CONSENSUS TO ALLOW  PRIVATE PROPERTY FENCES ON  PRIVATE PROPERTY. TO BE  ALLOWED. SIGNS SITE  >> THAT MY CONCERN WITH THAT  IS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO. LIMIT  WHAT KIND OF SIGN TO MY  PROPERTY, I FEEL IF I SAY  WHATEVER THEY WANT TO  ABSOLUTELY WAS A COMPLIANCE  WITH THE REST OF THAT.  ♪ >> YOU KNOW, AND IT'S THE  SCHOOL  ♪ >> AND YEAH.  >> AND IT'S NOT JUST MY OWN  PRIVATE PROPERTY BECAUSE MINE  RESIDENTIAL, BUT JOSH HAS A  BUSINESS AND YOU WANT TO PUT A  LITTLE SIGN HIS BUSINESS ENTER  HERE HE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO.  MISSED OH BOY I HOW I MET YOUR  YOU THERE.  >> I'M HERE.  >> DID YOU HEAR THE  CONVERSATION. AS  >> SIGNS ON ON FENCES ON THE  OUTSIDE PEOPLE'S FENCES, WHAT  DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT.  >> WELL GUESS WHAT MY FANS,  I'M PEYTON WHATEVER IT.  >> AND THIS A BUSINESS CAN  ADVERTISE FOR PEOPLE FOR  TREES. IF THAT'S WHAT THEY  CHOOSE TO DO. SLIPPERY SLOPE.  YES SOMETHING THEN. NOW I'VE  GOT NOTHING TO ADD ON THAT  >> COMMISSIONER DO YOU HAVE A  CONSENSUS RIGHT ON THE TABLE.  I WE JUST WENT THROUGH THAT.  YES FOR EVERYBODY TO GETTING I  DIDN'T KNOW I WANT KNOW WHAT  WHICH NOW YEAH AND HAD BEEN ON  THE CONVERSATIONS SO  COMMISSIONER YOU MEAN THE  CONSENSUS COMMISSIONER  LANGDON. AGO WITH THE YES.  >> ALTHOUGH THEY  >> I AM A YES.  ♪ ♪ >> COMMISSIONER EMERGE.  >> OH YES.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE HAVE A  CONSENSUS FOR THAT. THANK YOU  FOR BRINGING THAT UP.  >> KNOW A LOT OF IT IS WE  BASED A LOT OF THINGS  UNFORTUNATELY ON THEY WHAT IT  YOU KNOW THOSE ARE THE  EXCEPTIONS THAT I GUESS WE CAN  ADDRESS THAT WHEN THEY COME UP  AND IF THEY COME UP.  >> ALL RIGHT WHERE ARE WE. AND  WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE ON THAT.  >> THE ONLY IF WE'RE WRAPPING  THIS UP DO WANT TO SEE ABOUT  GETTING THE CONSENSUS TO HAVE  COMMISSION APPROVED. THE  VARIANCES MODIFICATIONS  WAIVERS, WHATEVER THE WORD IS  YOUR IS INSTEAD OF THIS  HEARING ZONING HEARING  OFFICER. ZONING HEARING  OFFICER DEALS ZONE DOESN'T  DEAL WITH SIGNS.  >> LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT A  LITTLE I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT  US TO SPEND TIME UP HERE. SIGN  IF THE VARIANTS THEY'RE  REQUESTING BUT THEIR SIGN IS.  >> MINIMAL. BUT I WOULD WANT  SOME DEFINITION. ONE OF THE  OUTSIDE PARAMETERS OF THAT. I  KIND OF MISSED THAT LAST PAGE  SAID WELL IT'S ARTICLE FOR ITS  CALLED VARIANCES MINOR  VARIANCES ARE APPROVED BY  UNDER THESE CERTAIN CRITERIA  IS THAT ARE LISTED.  >> AND IT'S A VERY BY STAFF  THE ULDC ADMINISTRATOR. HE'S  GO DOWN FURTHER. IT SAYS MAJOR  YEAH THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING  FOR CITY COMMISSION TO APPROVE  OR DENY ZONING HEARING  OFFICER. OKAY WITH THE AND  MAJOR I WILL CONCEDE WITH  MINOR. MY GOAL IS TO MAKE SURE  THAT ANY. MAJOR VARIANTS WHICH  IS THE SAME AS A SPECIAL  EXCEPTION WAIVER MODIFICATION.  THOSE SHOULD BE APPROVED BY  COMMISSION WERE THE  LEGISLATORS NOT TO THIS  HEARING OFFICER. ALLOW US I'M  PROHIBITED BY THESE  REGULATIONS.  >> I  >> MEAN THE WAY THE MAJORS  VARIANCE REGULATIONS ARE  WRITTEN. THERE IS CONDITION  INCLUDED THAT THE ZONING  HEARING OFFICER CANNOT REQUEST  A VARIANCE TO ALLOW SIGN  PROHIBITED BY THESE  REGULATIONS. SO THE ZONING  HEARING OFFICER IN CONSIDERING  THE VARIANCE WOULD BE  CONSIDERING TO MENTION UL  STANDARDS. AREA MUCH LIKE THEY  CONSIDER THE DIMENSIONAL  STANDARDS UNDER THE ZONING  VARIANCES THAT THEY CONSIDER  APPROVE OR TO NOT SO I JUST  WANTED TO GET THAT SOME  CLARITY THERE. BASED ON THE  CONVERSATION. AT THE PLANNING  AND ZONING ADVISORY BOARD I  JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE WE  HAVEN'T IDENTIFIED A  LIMITATION ON THE DECREASE IN  THE DISTANCE BETWEEN  FREESTANDING SIGNS SO THE  FINAL DRAFT WILL LIMIT THE  ULDC ADMINISTRATOR TO APPLY A  INCREASE BETWEEN THE DISTANCE  BETWEEN SIGNS. TO A 10%  DECREASE AND THE MINIMUM  SETBACK. NOW HAS 2 ITEMS WERE  NOT INCLUDED IN YOUR DRAFT.  AND THEN THERE ARE OF COURSE  IS A 20 FOOT. 21ST PERCENT  INCREASE AND THE SIGN AREA AND  A 10% INCREASE ON THE  ALLOWABLE SIGN HEIGHT. SO ANY  OTHER ASK BEYOND THAT. IN THIS  DRAFT IS TO GO TO THE ZONING  HEARING OFFICER AND IT WOULD  BE FOR AREA HEIGHT. IT'S THAT  ACT DISTANCE BETWEEN SIGNS BUT  NOT FOR TYPES OF SCIENCE AND I  JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT  THAT WAS CLEAR TO YOU ALL.  >> I MEAN GO AHEAD. SO  CURRENTLY WE HAVE ASSIGNED  CODE THAT ALLOWS X. SINE AREA  THAT WHATEVER THAT SIGN AREAS  THAT DICTATED BY THIS CODE BUT  LET'S SAY SOMEBODY WHO OWNS A  BUSINESS OR ANYTHING WANTS TO  COME UP AND SAYS A CITY. I CAN  GET THE SIGN BUT I'D LIKE TO  INCREASE 15% HIGHER THAN WHAT  IS ALLOWED BY CODE THEN ULDC  ADMINISTRATOR OUR STAFF WOULD  GRANT THAT IF THEY SEE IT'S  ACCEPTABLE. IT'S 25% MORE THAN  WHAT IS ALLOWABLE BY THIS COLD  IT WOULD GO INTO A ZONING  HEARING OFFICER FOR TO APPROVE  AND THAT IS WHAT I'M SAYING IS  IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. THIS IS A  POLICY DECISION THAT.  >> I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT HIS  POLICY DECISION WHEN STAFF IS  MAKING IT. I WILL CONCEDE THAT  THE MINOR ONES. OKAY AND GIVE  IT UP. ANYTHING ABOUT THESE  MINOR COMES TO THE COMMISSION.  NOT A ZONING HEARING OFFICER.  >> OR DID I HEAR CORRECTLY  THOUGH.  >> EVEN ON THE MAJORS. HEARING  OFFICER CAN'T. APPROVE AN  EXCEPTION OR PARENTS.  >> THAT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH  THE CODE RIGHT THEY CAN  APPROVE ASSIGN TYPE THAT IS  PROHIBITED. YOU COULD NOT GO  TO THE HEARING OFFICER AND  SAY.  >> I DO WANT TO HAVE MY  FREESTANDING SIME HAVE A.  >> A BASE.  >> THAT IS TWO-THIRDS THE WET  BUT THE SIGN ITSELF, I JUST  FUNNY SINGLE NUTTALL PAUL. AND  THIS IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR  THIS VARIANCE AND THESE ARE  THE REASONS WHY WELL THAT TYPE  OF SIGN IS PROHIBITED BY  OUTSIDE ZONING HEARING OFFICER  THAT SNOW. SOMEONE IS ASKING  FOR. THE MAXIMUM HIGH DON'T  THE SIGN IS 15 THEY ARE GOING  A 20% OR 10% INCREASE. OKAY,  SO THEY WANT A SIGN THAT HAS  20 FOOT INSTEAD OF 15 VARIANCE  APPLICATION WOULD GO TO THE  ZONING HEARING OFFICER JUST  THE SAME WAY IF IT WEREN'T  PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT MASTER  PLAN. BUILDING HEIGHT. WOULD  GO TO THE ZONING HEARING  OFFICER. A SETBACK VARIANCE  FOR BE ON THE 5 FOOT. DISTANCE  BETWEEN FREESTANDING SIGNS IF  THEY WANTED TO MAKE 2 FEET  BETWEEN FREESTANDING SIGNS  THEY WOULD GO TO SO HEARING  OFFICER SIMILARLY IF THEY  DON'T WANT TO HAVE A 10 FOOT  SETBACK, THEY WANTED TO HAVE  THAT'S A FACT SO HEARING  OFFICER SAYING THAT SOMEBODY  WAS BUILDING A BUILDING AND  THEY WANTED TO HAVE SMALLER  SETBACK REQUIRED. SO IT IT  DOES. KEEP THESE US QUASI  JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS AT US AND  CORE PARADE. STRETCH CRITERIA,  REQUIRED FINDINGS FOR  APPROVAL, WHEREAS THE CURRENT  MODIFICATION  PROCESS OR WAIVER PROCESS  DOESN'T HAVE THAT SAME  STANDARD. APPROVAL, SO DON  SOUNDING HEARING OFFICER WILL  BE CONTROLLED BY REQUIRING THE  FINDINGS BE NOT AND AS THE  ZONING HEARING OFFICER TURNS  THAT DOWN. I'M NOT PERSONS  APPEAL. ALSO THIS WOULD COME  TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THAT'S  KIND OF.  >> WELL THAT'S HEADED LIKE. IT  SEEMS LIKE IT'S NOT SO MUCH AN  ISSUE OF OF SEEDING THAT'S  ALREADY IT'S MUCH TO ME AS IT  IS. YOU ZONING IT'S IN THE  BEST POSITION. TO MAKE THIS  DETERMINATION. AND MAKE SURE  THAT IT'S KEPT NICE AND TIGHT  MAKE SURE THAT IT'S WITHIN  QUASI JUDICIAL PARAMETERS AND  IF RULES HERE SHE RULES  AGAINST. THEN WHOEVER MADE  APPLICATION CAN ALWAYS APPEAL  IT WHICH WILL COME TO IT MAKES  A LOT MORE SENSE. THEN IT JUST  COMING TO US WHERE WE CAN JUST  NILLY MAKE A DECISION AS A  YEAH, LET'S JUST WIN OR NOT WE  HAD TESTS OF QUASI JUDICIAL  WHAT.  >> I KNOW NOT HONOR AN APPEAL  IF IF IF YOU'LL BEAR WITH ME  I'M COMMISSIONER STOCKS I MAY  HAVE MISSPOKE AND THAT BASED  ON MY.  >> I JUST WANT TO VERIFY BILL  PROCESS WE HAVE DRAFTED. EVERY  COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT  SOMETIMES MY MESSAGES. NEXT A  LITTLE BIT. SOME COMMUNITIES  AND I THINK WE MAYBE WANT THAT  TO GROW ZONING OFFICER GOING  RIGHT TO THE CIRCUIT COURT AND  I JUST WANT TO VERIFY THAT FOR  YOU BECAUSE I MAY HAVE  MISSPOKEN.  >> IS THAT COMMISSIONERS DOG.  I KNOW THAT'S COMMISSIONER I'M  YEAH. PUTTER. THAT'S MY DOG  AND WE THOUGHT IT WAS YOU. I  WAS I'M JUST WAITING TO SPEAK  THAT'S FINE AT YOU WANT TO LET  YES YOU DO WANT TO. CHINA AND  COMMISSIONER EMRICH IS THAT  FARM LOOK NOTHING OKAY.  >> SOUNDING HEARING OFFICER  FIRST UNTIL APPEALS TO THE  CITY COMMISSION. SO THAT IF  YOU WERE TO DENY IT THEY CAN  ALWAYS APPEAL TO THE CIRCUIT  COURT. SO YEAH SO IF THE  ZONING OFFICER DOES NOT AND I  HEARING OFFICER DENIES YOU ALL  WOULD HEAR THE APPEAL.  >> OKAY.  >> DEFINITELY GOOD LET'S LEAVE  IT AT LEVEL DON'T I DON'T SEE  AN ISSUE OF CEDING AUTHORITY  US MUCH IT'S LIKE WHAT'S THE  MOST EXPEDITIOUS MOST SENSIBLE  WAY BUT THAT THE ZONING  OFFICER AND A LOOK AND BECOMES  A PROBLEM FOR FOR THE  APPLICANT CAN ALWAYS FIND ITS  WAY TO US.  >> I'M GOOD WITH THAT. YEAH  THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO I CAN SEE  IT TAKING A LONG TIME THAT  THAT THAT WOULD HAVE WAIT TO  BE ON THE AGENDA AND ALL IT'S  SOMETHING THAT THAT ZONING  OFFICER CAN JUST SAY THIS IS  GOOD.  >> MOVING WELL, IT WAS ONLY  WANT TO STRESS TO OPERATE  WITHIN THE CONFINES WHAT I NOT  SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE  STRUCTURE.  >> OKAY WE MISSION EVER TO DO  WANT TO WEIGH IN.  >> YEAH, I'M IN MY OPINION I'D  RATHER HAVE 5 PEOPLE'S  DECISION RATHER THAN JUST ONE  SO I'D RATHER HAVE THOSE  DECISIONS COME TO THE BOARD  AND WHO'S TO SAY WHAT'S MINOR  AND WHAT'S MAJOR. I THINK WE  SHOULD BE ENTITLED TO BE  LISTENING TO THE SECONDS YOU  KNOW, ESPECIALLY WITH SIGN  ORDINANCES. SO I'VE ON THAT  ONE I GUESS.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> YEAH BOY I'M I'M REALLY ON  THE FENCE WHEN I HAD FIRST  READ THIS I SORT OF ASSUMED  THAT IF ANYTHING WAS OTHER  THAN A MINOR VARIANCE THAT  WOULD COME TO US I WAS  COMFORTABLE WITH THAT I  CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO SAY  THINGS THAT ARE MINOR. WELL I  BET IF IS SOMETHING. BEYOND  THAT. I WOULD PREFER US TO SEE  IT. AND USUALLY THAT'S NOT THE  WAY I ROLL HAHA TYPICALLY NOT  THE WAY I ROLL BECAUSE I DO  LIKE EFFICIENCY ON THIS BOARD  AND PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERT IN  CERTAIN AREAS. I FEEL ARE MORE  QUALIFIED THAN MYSELF TO MAKE  THAT CALL. BOY SIGNS ARE JUST  A HOT HOT ISSUE. AND IF  SOMETHING IS BE ON SOME  MINIMUM LEEWAY. I REALLY DO  THINK IT OUGHT TO COME TO THE  COMMISSION.  >> SO 10 SO WE DON'T HAVE A  CONSENSUS IS  >> STAFF UP A LITTLE BIT MORE  SAY SAY FOR EXAMPLE SOMEONE  AND ASK WERE. ONE SQUARE-FOOT  MORE THAN STAFF AT ALL BECAUSE  IT'S STILL PRETTY MINOR. AND  TO YOU KNOW TO REQUIRE THE  COMMISSION. THAT'S THE SECOND  THING IS THIS PROVIDES  ADDITIONAL STEP IN THE APPEALS  PROCESS IF IF THE ASK FROM  STRAIGHT STRAIGHT TO  COMMISSION AND YOU DENY AT.  AND THAT'S COURSE OF ACTION  FOR THAT UP QUICK AND AS THE  COURT. SO THAT WOULD PROVIDE  THAT TO STOP APPEALS PROCESS  WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. SO.  >> THAT BEING SAID I  APPRECIATE THE CONVERSATION  AND WE'LL SCRIPTED.  >> THAT'S YOU. NO THIS THAT  WAS 3 TO 2 THAT BECAUSE  BECAUSE WE ARE IN WORKSHOP, WE  CAN NOT NOW GO TO A MOTION AND  IT WOULD PASS THAT YES IT  COMES TO THE COMMISSION BUT WE  HAVE 3 PEOPLE THAT ARE SAYING  YES IT COMES TO COMMISSION.  >> 2 PEOPLE ARE SAYING IT  DOESN'T IT GOES TO THE HEARING  OFFICER, SO YOU CAN MAKE  DARNED SURE THAT WHEN WE COME  BACK AND WE  ♪ >> ARE ADOPTING THAT WE'RE  GOING TO GET A MOTION. AND AND  IT WILL HAVE TO GET CHANGED  BECAUSE.  >> THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE  THINGS THAT WORTH. IT'S SO  FRUSTRATING FOR A WORKSHOP  WHERE WE CAN GIVE THEM  ♪ FOR REAL. DIRECTION CHANGE IT  NOW INSTEAD OF CHANGING IT  LATER IT BETWEEN FIRST AND  SECOND READING OKAY WITH COULD  WITH SUNSHINE BUT I'M STAFF  THAT ARE BY SARASOTA TO WORK  ON THAT'S PRODUCE WHAT  SUNSHINE WAS ADVICE ON THAT  ♪ >> WHERE ARE  ♪ >> WE COMMISSION AL YOU'RE THE  KID TO HAVE SOMETHING ELSE OR  NO.  >> SOMETHING I DO THEIRS IS  BUILDING.  >> GOT A QUESTION FOR WHEN YOU  RE WROTE THIS AND YOU'VE GOT  THIS DRAFT GOING DID YOU  PRESENTED TO THE CITY'S  ECONOMIC DIVISION OR MAYBE THE  CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, NOT  COMMITTEE FOR ANY OF THEIR  INPUTS OR SUGGESTIONS OR DID  YOU JUST BRING IT TO US.  >> WE PRODUCT TO THE PLANNING  AND ZONING ADVISORY BOARD AND  WITH PRODUCT TO THE AND ONE OF  THE PRIMARY REASONS WITH THAT  IS BECAUSE OF THE SENSITIVITY  OF SIGN REGULATIONS ON THE  STRICT SCRUTINY REGARD TO THE  FIRST 14TH AMENDMENT. AGAIN  OUR OUR EXPERT OUTSIDE LEGAL  COUNSEL WEISER AND MARC  MATERIALLY PARTICIPATE IN THE  PREPARATION OF THIS TROUGH TO  ENSURE THAT IT IS. COMPLIANT  WITH CASE LAW AND SO WE WERE  CONCERNED THAT PRESENTING IT  TO VARIOUS BOARDS AND  ORGANIZATIONS WOULD RESOLVE  THE ASK FOR WHOLESALE CHANGES  THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE  CONSISTENT THE CASE LAW. SIGNS  ARE OUR SPECIAL ANIMAL. SO YOU  KNOW WHEN WE TALK ABOUT NEXT  STEPS BEFORE WE CLOSE OUT THE  MEANING THAT NATURAL RESOURCES  CHAPTER IS BEING PRESENTED TO  THE ENVIRONMENTAL ADVISORY  BOARD TONIGHT. AND FANS OF AND  YOU ALL SEEING IT TO GET THEIR  RECOMMENDATIONS ON IT SIGNS  ARE A LITTLE BIT OF A  DIFFERENT. MONSTER.  >> OKAY I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT  NOW THAT THIS BIG ANIMAL IS  NOW OUT IN THE OPEN WOULD YOU  BE LOOKING TO GET SOME OF THE  INPUT, ESPECIALLY FROM THE  BUSINESS COMMUNITIES OUT  THERE. YEAH, NO MAYBE.  >> WE CAN CERTAINLY DO IF THE  COMMISSION FEELS IT'S  IMPORTANT. I MEAN I THINK  AFTER THIS WORKSHOP ASSIGNED  CHAPTER AND THIS MEAN AND HER  GOING TO BE ONLINE FOR  EVERYONE TO PERU AND SEE AND  WE ARE OPEN THEY'RE RECEIVING  EMAILS PHONE CALLS BE AT LEAST  ONE MORE MEETING WHERE  ORDINANCE IS CONSIDERED.  >> SO AND IF THE COMMISSION  DIRECTS US TO PRESENT IT TO  SEE THAT WILL PRESENT TO SEE  THAT OUT.  >> WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO DO  WHATEVER IT IS YOU ASK.  >> ALSO I'VE GOT 2 OTHER  THINGS ONE IS WHEN WE FIRST  STARTED TO WRITE THIS ULDC AND  ARE NO SIGNS OR PAIN. BUT IT'S  LIKE 48 PAGES LONG JUST FOR  SIGNS WITHIN THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT I WE WERE CONSOLIDATING  EVERYTHING BACK TRYING TO GET  YOU KNOW A NICE LITTLE FLUSH  MOVEMENT WAS OUR ULDC WHEN IT  COMES OUT. I JUST CAN'T SEE  HOW THIS CAN BE 48 PAGES LONG.  >> WELL ONE THE THINGS THAT'S  IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT. DRAFT  WAS PRESENTED TO AIR WITH ALL  THE WHEREAS THEM POINT SO SO  THE WHEREAS PROCESS ARE NOT  GOING TO BE PART OF THE SIGN  REGULATIONS.  >> THANK YOU BECAUSE THAT'S  WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT AND I  SEEN IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN  AND THEN THAT LISA THAT WILL  MAKE IT A LOT EASIER TO DIGEST  I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT  THERE.  >> YES, AND AND WE WHERE WE  ARE ABLE TO.  >> WE ARE. WE ARE  CONSOLIDATING LANGUAGE WE'RE  GETTING RID OF THE WORDING  CHAPTER AGAIN BECAUSE OF THE  POTENTIAL EXPOSURE WE'VE WE'VE  REALLY GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH  THE SIGN REGULATIONS. I CAN'T  I CAN'T QUOTE THE FIGURE RIGHT  NOW I DON'T KNOW LANE IS  LOOKING FOR IT BUT AS I WAS  WORKING ON THE DRAFT. LAST  WEEK WE ARE DOWN FROM. 197 IS  MY BEST GUESS PAGES NOW JUST  SOMEWHERE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD  OF 300 SOMETHING. SO FAR  COURSE APPENDIX WITH THE  DEFINITIONS IS NOT COMPLETE.  WE HAVE WE ARE WE ARE GETTING  THERE AND WE THINK THAT WE  HAVE A CLEAN CONCISE DROP EASY  TO FOLLOW EVEN IN LIGHT OF THE  SIGN REGULATIONS. IF DO WORK  AND START SOME OF THAT CASE  LONG FINDINGS AND LANGUAGE  THAT'S LEGALLY NECESSARY.  >> YES, THANK YOU, I MEAN THAT  THAT JUST SCARED ME BECAUSE  I'M STANDING ON MY LORD WE GOT  A LOT GOING ON AND YOU KNOW  YELL CITED THE GILBERT AND  REID SAYING. DON'T KNOW IF ANY  OF THE OTHER COMMISSIONERS  ACTUALLY TOOK THE TIMES YOU  SEE WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT.  THE CITY WAS BE A MORE  RESTRICTIVE OVER THE CHURCH  BECAUSE THE CHURCH WAS A  MOBILE CHURCH GOING FROM PLACE  TO PLACE TO PLACE AND THE CITY  WANTED THEM TO PUT A DATE ON  IT THEREFORE IT WAS BECOMING  MORE RESTRICTED THAN ANY OF  THE OTHER SIGNS THAT WERE OUT  THERE SO YES THEY WERE CAUGHT  AND SIGNS. BUT THEY WERE  MAKING THE CHURCH GO ONE STEP  FURTHER AND THAT'S WHY THEY  GOT SUED THEY WERE NOT SUED  BECAUSE OF THE CONTENT IT WAS  BY CITY TRYING TO MAKE THEM  CHANGE THEIR SIGN WHICH THEY  HAVE WON BECAUSE THEY WERE  MOVING AROUND. BUT THAT'S I'M  WOULD HAVE BEEN USABLE ANYMORE  IF THEY WENT OUT NEXT WEEK.  THAT'S WHERE THE LAWSUIT CAME  FROM AND THAT'S WHY THEY WANT  SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT  THERE THAT'S ALL I GOT THANK  YOU. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.  >> VICE MAYOR.  >> JUST TO COMMENT ON  COMMISSIONER EMRICH SAYS  STATEMENT. WHILE THAT MAY BE  REASON FOR THE LAST 2. COURT  DECISION THEY DID STREAM  REALLY CLEAR. AND TOOK IT WELL  BEYOND PROBABLY THE POINT OF  WHY THE LITIGATION WAS FILED  IN THE FIRST PLACE AND THEREIN  LIES THE PROBLEM BECAUSE IT IS  MUCH MORE PERVASIVE. BUT THAT  SAID I WANT TO GET BACK TO  SOMETHING ELSE IT WAS MY  UNDERSTANDING THIS CHAPTER WAS  GOING TO BE IT PERCENT THE  QUESTION ANSWER KIND OF  SESSION FOR THE CHAMBER I KNOW  THE CHAMBER SIGNAGE IS A IT'S  IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR THEM I  THINK THAT WAS MY  UNDERSTANDING AND SO I WAS  JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW I  BELIEVE IT WAS  EXPECTATION AT AND AND IT  PROBABLY WOULD BENEFIT SINCE  IT AFFECTS THEM GREATLY TO  UNDERSTAND SOME OF THESE LEGAL  NUANCES SO THEY CAN BETTER  EXPRESS THOSE THOSE ISSUES TO  THEIR YOU KNOW TO THEIR IF  THEY WERE TO MAKE THAT REQUEST  I BELIEVE THEY ALREADY DID BUT  IF THEY HAVEN'T AND THEY YOU  KNOW, IT'S WILL STAFF  ENTERTAIN. SIT DOWN WITH HIM,  YOU KNOW WHAT OBVIOUS GET A  VOTE BUT THEY OBVIOUSLY WANT  TO BE ABLE TO IT YES QUESTION  SHOULD KNOW THEY COULD LISTEN  TO THIS MEETING BUT YOU KNOW  THEY DON'T ALWAYS END, YOU  KNOW FOR OTHER CHAPTERS WE  HAVE PROVIDED THAT OPPORTUNITY  I JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO THINK  THAT WE JUST. TURNED DOWN A  REQUEST FOR THIS IF THEY IN  FACT MAKE FOR THAT MATTER  ANYBODY MAKES IT I IT WILL BE  ABLE ASK THE QUESTIONS.  ANSWERS FACE CHANGE.  >> WHAT ANYBODY THINKS AFTER  LET'S PUT IT THIS HAVE YOU  GOTTEN FLOOR WAS THEIR REQUEST  FROM THE CHAIN BUT TO REVIEW  CHAPTER 5.  >> NO NO THIS IS NEWS SO I'M  NOT AWARE OF A REQUEST TO  REVIEW YOU KNOW ABSENT IF  THERE'S A MASK WE WILL WE WILL  DO OUR ON THE I THOUGHT THERE  WAS, BUT YOU KNOW I COULD  STAND CORRECTED.  >> AND YOU HAVE NEVER BEEN  SHOT AND NO WAY. MANAGER.  >> I DID TALK TO BILL GOING  MAYBE A WEEK OR 2 AGO. I THINK  HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT  >> YOU REALLY LIKE YOU HAD IN  THE PAST I'M SORRY I WASN'T  WORSE. OKAY,  >> THANK YOU  >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL,  GREAT CONVERSATION TODAY AND  KNOW THAT STAFF AND THE  ATTORNEYS ALL OF THE ATTORNEYS  HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN TRYING  TO BRING SOMETHING US AT THE  BEGINNING OF THE DISCUSSION I  THINK IT WAS YOU LORI THAT HAD  SAID THAT YOU WERE QUITE  SURPRISED THAT SIGN CODE WAS  NEVER UPDATED SINCE 2015 WHEN  GILBERT-GREEN. THE INVOLVED  WITH THE ULDC REWRITE SINCE WE  HIRED UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA.  THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE  FIRST PLAN TO GET DONE WAS THE  SIGN CODE IN 2015 WITH  UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA. AS YOU  KNOW THAT THE ULDC HAS MORPHED  AND MORPHED AGAIN AND MORPHED  AGAIN AND THAT IS WHY THE  PSYCHO NEVER GOT A DRESS  BECAUSE EACH TIME THE  COMMISSION.  >> PREVIOUS COMMISSION IS  MEANT SAY WHEN ARE WE GOING TO  SEE THE CYCLE WHEN WE DID SEE  THE CYCLE COMING WITH ULDC  IT'S COMING WITH ULDC SO  THAT'S WHY IT'S NEVER BEEN  ADDRESSED AND I JUST WANTED  YOU TO HEAR THE REST OF THE  STORY SO THAT WITHIN YOU.  >> DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC  COMMENT. AND THEN CLOSING I  JUST WANTED TO PUT OUT THERE,  THANK YOU FOR THE  PRESENTATION, I KNOW IT'S BEEN  VERY ARDUOUS AND IN A LONG.  PROCESS AS COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL SAID THIS IS LIKE FOR  EVER GOING ON AND 2 OUT SAY.  BUT I ALSO WANT TO RECOGNIZE  TODAY IS EARTH APRIL FIRST  BIRTHDAY WAS IN 1970 AND THAT  BEGAN OHIO SOUTH ONE FROM OHIO  OUT THERE, BUT UNFORTUNATELY  IT'S BECAUSE. I DON'T REMEMBER  THE NAME OF THE RIVER, BUT IT  CAUGHT ON IT ON FIRE. I  REMEMBER THAT AND SO THAT WAS  THE SENATOR FROM OHIO CARD CAN  REMEMBER HIS NAME TOO  ESTABLISHED THEY SURE THIS  NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN  UNFORTUNATELY. IT CONTINUES TO  HAPPEN.  >> SO LET'S DO SOMETHING FOR  EARTH DAY ON ON YOUR OWN AND  EMBRACE OUR WONDERFUL PLANET.  WELL, THIS IS THERE A MOMENT  WHEN HE HAD A COUPLE RATION  RIGHT, I HAVE A RIGHT BUT  ESPECIALLY TODAY, YOU KNOW  PICK UP THAT LITTLE LETTER DO  SOMETHING GOOD FOR OUR PLANET  TODAY JUST REAL QUICK.  >> YOU YOU MAKE ME REMEMBER IT  IN 2020. THE COMMISSION AT  THAT TIME GAVE A DIRECTIVE TO  HAVE THE ULDC. SET PARAMETERS  AND POLICY ON WILDLIFE SITE.  THE WILDLIFE SIGNS ARE FOR  SANDHILL CRANES GOPHER  TORTOISE IS ANYTHING WILDLIFE  RELATED SO THAT WE CAN HAVE  THEM AS PART OF CITY SIGNAGE  TO PROTECT OUR WILDLIFE. WHEN  WE MADE THAT DIRECTIVE. THEY  WERE GOING TO BRING IT BACK AS  A SEPARATE POLICY, BUT THEN  THE CITY MANAGER AT THAT TIME  SAID OR STAFF AT THAT TIME  SAYS YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD BE  BETTER IF WE JUST INCORPORATE  IT WITH THE ULDC.  >> BECAUSE THAT'S COMING AND  IT JUST GOT KIND OF STUCK ON  THE BACK BURNER AND SO WE  REALLY NEED TO ADDRESS THE  WILDLIFE SIGNED WHAT KIND OF  SIGNS HOW BIG ARE THOSE AND  THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN  HERE. I DON'T WANT THAT TO GET  FORGOTTEN.  >> OUR OUR THE WILDLIFE SIGNS  PLACED PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.  >> ISIS YOU'RE GOING TO GET  WITH STAFF ON COULD BE  PRACTICE AS WHEN YOU THINK  ABOUT WILDLIFE IT DOES ALIGN  THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND  WELFARE.  >> FOR WILDLIFE CROSSINGS  AWARENESS AND IF THEY'RE  PLACED IN THE CITY RIGHT OF  WAY THAN THEIR GOVERNMENTS I  MAY I SUGGEST SPY ON SO WE  WILL LOOK INTO IT FOR MAY. I  SUGGEST YOU GO BACK AND LISTEN  TO THE SEPTEMBER 22ND 2020  COMMISSION MEETING BECAUSE WE  DIDN'T WANT EVERY BLOCK TO  HAVE A SIGN.  >> WE WE WANTED THERE TO BE  SOME KIND OF I STATED POLICY  WHERE THOSE SIGNS GO WHAT  THOSE SIGNS CONSIST AND SO I  JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT  THERE JUST MAKE SURE THAT YOU  GO BACK AND JUST REVIEW THAT  MEETING AND LISTEN TO THE  CONVERSATION IT REALLY WASN'T  THAT ONE OF THE CONVERSATION  SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT  OUT THERE AND THANK YOU MAYOR  FOR REMINDING FIRST DAY IN OUR  WILDLIFE.  >> WE THREW MATCH OR ANYTHING.  OKAY SO IT IS TO A LOT TO GO  NIGER THIS MEETING.