>> OKAY TODAY'S TUESDAY WE'RE  GOING TO GET OUR MEETING GOING  AND YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT THAT  BE  ♪ ♪ >> THANK  >> TODAY IS TUESDAY MARCH 7TH  2024 IT IS 01:00PM AND WE'RE  IN THE CITY CHAMBERS AND I  CALL THIS CITY COMMISSION  SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER. ROLL  CALL WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS  MCDOWELL LANGDON MYSELF. WHY  VICE MAYOR STOKES AND  COMMISSIONER AND SO WE DO HAVE  A WE ALSO HAVE CITY MANAGER  FLETCHER CITY ATTORNEY SLAYTON  CITY CLERK FAUST. POLICE CHIEF  GARRISON AND FIRE CHIEF TITUS  THE CHIEFS ARE IN THE HOUSE  RIGHT AND I WONDER WHY. PLEDGE  OF ALLEGIANCE I'M GOING TO ASK  OUR FINANCE QUEEN. KENT  WILLIAMS TO LEAD US.  >> OF THE UNITED STATES OF  AMERICA A NATION UNDER GOD  INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND  JUSTICE FOR ALL. I'M LOOKING.  >> OR AN APPROVAL OF THE  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOKES TO  APPROVE THE AGENDA AND  SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER  EMRICH. LET'S FOE. AND THAT  PASSES 5 TO 0. CITY CLERK IS  THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S  BE SHOT.  >> AT TUESDAY'S MEETING OUR  HEARD VICE MAYOR STOKES AND  COMMISSIONER LANGDON SAY  SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT  THIS COMMISSION IS NOT AFRAID  TO MAKE DECISIONS DOESN'T KICK  THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. I AGREE  WHOLEHEARTEDLY PLEASE DON'T  KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON  YOUR NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS.  FOR THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION  THAT SAVED OUR CITIZENS  MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY  RECOMMENDING THOUGH  122 MILLION DOLLAR  HEADQUARTERS TO 2065 AT THE  RATE OF INCREDIBLE BIRTH IN  OUR CITY ANYTHING LESS WILL  COST TAXPAYERS SO MUCH MORE IN  THE LONG RUN. AND THAT'S ALL  OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT,  WE'RE MOVING UP TO GENERAL  BUSINESS 24 DASH 0, 3, 5, 7,  >> DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION  REGARDING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT  AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE  PLAYSTATION HEADQUARTERS AN  EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER THE  IOS 8 CITY MANAGER, THIS IS  YOUR ITEM. THANK YOU MADAM  THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE  CONVERSATION WE HAD ON  FEBRUARY 26.  >> WE ALL GAVE YOU A LOT OF  INFORMATION AND YOU HAD SOME  QUESTIONS REGARDING  INFORMATION THAT WE SHARE  REGARDING THE NEED OF THE NEW  POLICE WE THANK YOU FOR THAT  DISCUSSION INTO IT, BUT YOU  PROVIDE WE'VE ALSO HEARD BACK  GOOD AMOUNT OF OUR COMMUNITY  STAKEHOLDERS AND RESIDENTS AS  WITH THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED AND  ENGAGED IN VERY IMPORTANT  PROCESS WE'RE GOING TO TALK A  LITTLE BIT LATER HOW WE WANT  TO ENGAGE FURTHER THROUGHOUT  THIS PROCESS. BEGINNING THIS  WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF CASE I  LIKE TO JUST GO OVER SOME OF  THE ANSWERS THAT WE PROVIDED  TO YOU ON THOSE QUESTIONS THAT  YOU HAD SEE IF THERE'S ANY FOR  THE BACK NECESSARY AND FROM  THERE WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF  THE NEXT STEPS IN SOME OF THE  ITEMS THAT ARE STILL OUT THAT  WANT TO ADDRESS.  >> ALL RIGHT THAT SOUNDS LIKE  A PLAN. SO THE BUSH THAT'S  WHAT GAVE YOU ALL YOU WANT ASK  THE QUESTION ARE WE GOING TO  GO TO THE QUALITY OF YES  THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TO MAKE  SURE YOU SET THE ANSWER'S YES,  OKAY, YEAH, ALL RIGHT THE  FIRST QUESTION WHAT WE'RE  GOING TO BE AND HOW 911  OPERATIONS. IT EXPLAINING A  JOKE TO A SERVICES PROVIDED BY  THE SARASOTA COUNTY SHERIFF'S  OFFICE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WAS WE  DISCUSSED A PRIMARY UP THESE  APP AND SECONDARY PEACE AT AND  DESIRE TO NOT CHANGE THAT  SYSTEM. AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS  AT THIS TIME. QUESTIONS  REGARDING THAT FIRST ONE. I  JUST KEEP GOING STOPS ALL  RIGHT NUMBER 2 WITH THE COUNTY  TAX BILL BREAK OUT THE MILLAGE  INCREASE THE SHOW OR POLICE  HEADQUARTERS OF THERE REASSESS  ITS BY A SEPARATE CAPITAL  IMPROVEMENT. NO ITS  DESIGNATION ON THE TAX BILL.  OKAY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL,  YES. HE SEPARATED OUT.  >> SAME.  >> GOOD TO KNOW THAT IT'S  GOING TO BE SEPARATED OUT. IS  IT GOING TO RECEIVE THE SAME  HOME OWNERS EXEMPTIONS AND  SAVE OUR HOMES STATUS IS.  MILITARY CURRENTLY HAS.  >> YES ANY CAPITAL THAT  SERVICE MILEAGE. YOU GET  MILEAGE. WE AGAINST THE VALUE  THAT YEAR AS WAR. ALLEN.  ASSESSED VALUES AFTER  EXEMPTIONS.  >> THANK YOU THAT'S WHY I  WANTED TO BE CLEAR. THANK YOU  THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I  HAD ON THAT. OKAY.  >> 3 WAS THE ENGINEERING NEWS  AND RECORD COST INDEX  EXPLAINING AS THE MULTIPLIER  UP TOWARD THE COUNTY REQUEST  MODEL. THE ANSWER REALLY  PROVIDES THAT YOU KNOW WHAT  THE CONSTRUCTION DO IT AND  THEN NEEDS TO DO THEIR JOB  MORE EFFECTIVELY YOU KNOW  REPORTS ON THE TOP ARCHITECTS  ENGINEERS AND TOP WITH A  COMPANIES. OVERALL CONTEXT  HERE IS THAT WE FEEL THAT IS  THE BETTER MULTIPLIER AS IT  RELATES TO MAKING SURE THAT  WHEN YOU DO HAVE A BOND  QUESTION THAT USING THE  ACCURATE INFORMATION TO MAKE  YOUR DECISION. ALRIGHT  POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES  SURTAX CONSIDERATIONS. WE  TALKED ABOUT THE REFERENDUM  THAT WAS APPROVED REGARDING  THE. APPROVAL OF PAY TAX OF  THE SURTAX AND IT IS OVER 15  YEARS AND SOMETIMES REVENUE TO  COME IN AND HIGHER AND LORE  THAT WE PROJECT IN THE TAX  PIER WE ASKED OR TEXT 3. WE  DID GET MORE REVENUE THAN  EXPECTED IT WOULD USE QUARTER  LEAD TO FOR PROJECTS. THE BIG  THE BIG ISSUE THAT WE TALKED  ABOUT LATELY IS THE ABILITY TO  REARRANGE OUR SURTAX IN A WAY  THAT ALLOWS YOU TO BE FLEXIBLE  WITH THE NEEDS OF THE CITY.  AND EVEN THOUGH, AND ALTHOUGH  THAT'S WITH IN THE RESOLUTION  THAT WAS ADOPTED SOMETHING OF  THIS MAGNITUDE 50 MILLION  DOLLARS DOES IT REQUIRE A  DISCUSSION AND WE BELIEVE THAT  IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS  THAT FURTHER FOR THE PATHWAY  THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED. WE'RE  HAPPY TO HAVE THAT  CONVERSATION. WE ATTACHED THE  LIST BEHIND IT THAT SHOWED YOU  SOME OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN  ORDER TO FREE APPLAUSE, NOT  ONLY FOR THE SURTAX REQUESTED  FOR THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS  BUT ALSO THE SURTAX FOR THE  EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER.  THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO  TALK ABOUT BOTH OF THOSE THAT  ONE QUICK NOTE BEFORE WE EVEN  BEGIN, WE MIGHT WANT TO START  WITH THE EELS C AND THAT  CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE SORT  OF PUNTED THAT BALL LAST NIGHT  WITH MEETING IN WE TOOK IT OFF  OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT  WITH THE FRONT OF YOU RECENTLY  SAID YOU COULD HAVE A  DISCUSSION SEE AND HEAR WHY IT  WHAT WE DID TO MOVE THE EELS  OFF OF THE PD PROJECT TO HIS  OWN BUDGET FIND ITS FUNDING  SEPARATELY WHAT WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT THE POLICE FUNDING  TODAY.  >> ALL RIGHT I HAVE I SPEARS  FOLKS. QUESTION FOR CLARITY  SAKE. IF WE PRIORITIZE SURTAX  PROJECTS. SO THAT 50 MILLION  DOLLARS COULD BE ALLOCATED TO  THIS PROJECT. I ASSUME, AND  CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT  50 MILLION WOULD BE FLY FISCAL  YEAR 2526 27 BASICALLY.  BECAUSE THAT 50 MILLION WOULD  HAVE TO BE PAID. IN THE NEXT 2  TO 3 YEARS SINCE THAT'S ONE OF  THE BUILDING WOULD BE BUILT AM  I CORRECT WE'RE NOT LOOKING  AT. BONDING A 100 AND A  122 MILLION AND THEN PAYING  THE BONDS WITH THE 50 MILLION  IN SURTAX WE'RE USING THE 50  DIRECTLY. SO AM I CORRECT THAT  BASICALLY ITS FISCAL YEAR 2526  27 THAT THAT'S 50 MILLION  WOULD BE AVAILABLE ROUGHLY  18 BILLION 18 MILLION A YEAR  WHICH IS ROUGHLY TAKES  350 MILLION DIVIDED BY 15  YEARS. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET.  >> IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE  BONDING 50 MILLION AND IS IN  THE SEARCH TAX REVENUES TO PAY  THAT DEBT SERVICE SO YOU'RE  TALKING ABOUT A BOND FOR 50.  YES PLUS.  >> ADDITIONAL BONDS TO MAKE  DIFFERENCE SO BASICALLY WE'RE  LOOKING AT OTHER THAN MAYBE  THE SALE ASSETS SOMEWHERE OR.  SOME SORT OF IMPACT FEES WERE  BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT. ON  ANDREA MILLER, 122 MILLION  DOLLARS AND THEN PAYING FOR  IT. THROUGH. ANY ONE OF THESE  FUNDING SOURCES, CERTAIN TAX  IMPACT FEES SALE OF ASSETS.  MILLAGE RATE INCREASE IN MY  CAREER THAT THAT'S WHAT THE  THAT PROPOSED CONCEPT THAT'S  WRECK. AND COMMAND THAT I NEED  UNDERSTAND OKAY, WE COULD TALK  MORE ABOUT. SHOULD TAX  EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S PROBABLY  HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BUT I JUST  WANT TO GET THAT OUT THERE SO  WE ALL UNDERSTOOD HOW THIS  PROJECT WOULD BE ACTUALLY FUND  IT.  >> QUESTION THAT I HAVE A  RELATED QUESTION TO THAT TOO.  WE  >> SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE  GOING TO BE BONDING 50 MILLION  DOLLARS.  >> JUST TO BE IS THIS FOR THE  ARE CHECKED OR THE OC PROJECT  OR THE PD HEADQUARTERS. AND  WHERE'S THAT 50 MILLION COMING  FROM THAT WOULD BE PAID BACK  WITH WHERE'S THE SURTAX COMING  FROM WHAT WHAT PROJECTS ARE  MOVING AROUND PEOPLE  50 MILLION.  >> SO FOR ONE PRICE PHASE.  WOULD MOVE OUT THAT WASN'T  THERE AT 2 MILLION SAT WOULD  MOVE ABOUT FREELY INTO A  FUTURE SURTAX ISSUE IT WOULD  NOT BE THAT WAS THE MAIN  CHANGE WE MAKE SOME OTHER  CHANGES. THERE HIGHLIGHTED IN  THE MATERIALS. I BELIEVE THAT  WAS I THE OTHER ROAD.  >> WE'RE ALL FOR THE E E O C.  OTHER YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED ONES  WERE RELATED TO THE E E O C  BUILDING. SO WE'RE STILL SHORT  18 MILLION FOR THE PD.  >> SO YES, I BELIEVE 4  SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PD  HEADQUARTERS ONLY THE PRICE  SPACE TOO PROPOSED TO BE  CHANGED IN  >> THE COMMISSIONER STOKES  SAID THAT 50 AND YOU YOU  CONCURRED 50 MILLION WAS GOING  TOWARDS THE PD PROJECT AND I'M  ONLY SEEN 32 BONDING  50 MILLION SO THE WHAT THAT  MEANS IS WE FIT AND THE DEBT  SERVICE WITHIN THERE.  >> IT'S NOT A TAKING  50 MILLION NOW A FITTING AND  >> THAT WAS THE PAYMENTS ON  32 MILLION IS THE. AND THE  OTHER 18 MILLIONS IS FEES AND  INTEREST.  >> YOU THINK OF IT THAT WAY  THAT'S EXACTLY MANY THANKS TO  YES YOU CAN THINK OF IT THAT  WAY BECAUSE THE 30 IS WE'RE  PAYING FOR THIS ALL RIGHT. BUT  RATHER TAKING THAT OUT THERE  WERE SAYING A PLACE THAT WITH  NOW WE'RE FINANCING SOMETHING  AND ALL WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO  DO IS MAKE THE PAYMENTS. OVER  THE 15 YEARS.  >> I WANT TO TRY AND KEEP  THINGS REALLY SIMPLE  UNEXPLAINABLE DOWN RIGHT  TECHNICAL SO. THE 32 IS  BASICALLY PRINCIPLE. 18 IS THE  INTEREST AND FEES IN OF THE  OTHERS. IS THAT WHAT I'M  HEARING.  >> YOU THINK OF THAT WAY BUT  THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY ALL  RIGHT. WE HAVE A PLAN TO  30 MILLION WILL INSIDE THE EU  35 THROUGH NOW SAY THAT WE'RE  NOT GOING TO SPEND THAT WE'RE  GOING TO THINGS AROUND WITH IN  THIS 15 YEAR PLAN IN ORDER TO  BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DEBT  SERVICE PAYMENTS THAT WE'RE AT  AN ESTIMATED.  >> SAYS UNDER DEBT SERVICE AT  THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT SURTAX  CHARTED TO ITS DEBT SERVICE  PRICE BOULEVARD 63 MILLION  OVER 15 YEARS. AND IT'S THE 30  TO 7. 32.7 MILLION DOLLARS.  ALL 3 5 YOU'RE IT.  >> WELL YEAH, THE PRINCIPLE  THAT WITH THE 50 AND TOTAL  WITH.  >> INTEREST. WOULD BE 74  MILLION.  >> SO WE'VE GOT 32 FROM THE  PRICE BOULEVARD NOW YOU'RE  SAYING 50 IS GOING TO BE THE  PRINCIPAL, SO WHERE'S THE  OTHER 18 COMING FROM TO EQUAL  NOW YOU'RE 74 WHICH IS THE  TOTAL PRINCIPAL INTEREST AND  FEES.  >> THAT HAS WE ALSO AT THE  SAME TIME WE HAVE THE.  FACTORING IN PAYMENTS FOR  PRICE FULL WINDING THE  PRINCIPLE OF OUR. REMEMBER WE  HAD HIM HERE IN OUR PLAN HAS  A. HEY NOW DOLLAR AMOUNT AND  NOW WE'VE ALSO FACTOR THAT IN  AND THE PAYMENTS THAT WE MAKE  OVER THE 15 YEARS.  >> I'VE TAKEN OFFLINE TALK  ABOUT THIS CAUSE I BEST AT  WHAT YOU'RE EXPLAINING WHAT  I'M TRYING TO COMPREHEND AND  UNDERSTAND. AND THE NUMBERS  OUR. ESPECIALLY NOW THAT  YOU'RE SAYING 74 MILLION AS  OPPOSED TO THE 50 THAT  COMMISSIONER STOKE SPOKE OUT  TONIGHT, RIGHT THAT A  COMMISSION YOU CAN TRY ALL YOU  WANT TO I WOULD WELCOME AND  MAYBE THIS EXPLANATION.  >> SURE THERE'S 15 YEARS OVER  WHICH ESTIMATED 350 MILLION  DOSES SHOULD TAX COMES IN.  THEY'RE OR WHAT PHASE ONE WHAT  70 MILLION 80 MILLION DOLLARS.  ALREADY DEDICATED OF THAT  SURTAX MONEY TO PAY FOR THE  BOND SET. THE CITIZENS VOTED  FOR LAST YEAR. SO SPREAD OUT  OVER THE YEARS THERE'S A CHUNK  OF THAT 350 MILLION BETTER  GOING TO GO TO SERVICE. PRICE  WHITENING FACE WANT. WHAT'S  PROPOSED IS THAT. WE GO OUT  AND BORROW WE BOND OUT LIKE WE  DID FROM PRICE BOULEVARD WE AS  CITIZENS WOULD BE ALL RIGHT  FOR US TO BORROW MONEY. TO THE  TUNE OF. BASICALLY WHAT'S  GOING TO THE PRICE OF THE  POLICE BUILDING LESS WHATEVER  ASSETS WE CAN SELL SO PICK A  NUMBER 100 MILLION.  100 MILLION DOLLARS OF NEW IT  IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR  50 MILLION OUT OF CERTAIN TAX  REVENUES, NOT TOUCHING THE  PHASE, ONE PRICE. SO THERE'S  MONEY'S THAT EVERY YEAR  18 MILLION A YEAR. PART OF  THAT 18 MILLION IS GOING TO  PAY DEBT SERVICE ON. PRICE  WIDENING ONE. THAT'S  COMMITTED. BUT THERE'S A LOT  OF EXTRA MONEY LEFT OVER THAT  WILL GO TO HELP SERVICE THIS  50 PER. THIS NEW BOND FOR THE  POLICE BUILDING. IF WE USE  OVER 15 YEARS 15 MILLION OFF  IT WHICH WE COULD DO BITE.  WE'RE RANGING SURTAX  PRIORITIES. THEY'RE STILL THE  DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT  SHIFTY. THAT WE'RE USING FROM  SURTAX TO PAY A 100 MILLION  DOLLARS. SO THAT'S THE REST  HAS TO BE MADE UP FROM  SOMEWHERE WHETHER ITS IMPACT  FEES OR MILLAGE OR WHERE  HOWEVER IT BUT BUT SHOULD TAX.  DOESN'T GO DIRECTLY TO PAY FOR  POLICE BUILDING GOES TO PAY  FOR A PORTION OF FOOTBALL AND.  BORROWING TO BUILD A POLICE  BUILDING. FOLLOWING BECAUSE WE  GET TO OVER A PERIOD YEARS WE  NEED IT WITH AN 18 TO 24  MONTHS TO BUILD A BUILDING. SO  YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE MONEY NOW I  DON'T BUILDING SHE GOT OUT OR  WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CHIEF  GARRISONS BANK AND SAY GIVE US  A 100 MILLION BUCKS WE'RE  GOING TO BUILD A BUILDING AND  THEN WE WILL PAY HIM BACK.  ADULTS ARE TAX MONIES THAT ARE  GOING TO FLOW. AND OTHER MINES  THAT'S SORT OF THE CONCEPT  HERE I APPRECIATE YOUR.  >> IT'S A ****. IT HELPS I'M  NOT A 100%, BUT I'M  COMFORTABLE THERE. I WISH HAD  AND  >> YEAH I THINK THE FACT THAT  YOU  ♪ ♪ ALSO AND A LOT SO SORRY SO  ALSO IN THE PROPOSED LIST OF  WAYS WE WILL PAY FOR THE  SPONSOR ATTACKS. THERE WAS  ALSO A BOND REFERENDUM FOR  $28,000 PUT SOME SO SORRY THE  IOWA WHICH THREES THERE I WISH  IT WAS SLASHED. MILLION  DOLLARS AND THERE IS IT WAS  ASSOCIATED WITH THAT LINE ITEM  A POTENTIAL MILLAGE RATE AND  PAT. SO MY QUESTION IS. DO ANY  OF THESE OTHER LINE ITEMS  MILLAGE RATE IMPACT OR IS  THAT. ONE MILLAGE RATE IMPACT  THE ENTIRE 10222 MILLION  DOLLARS. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M  SAYING WAS THAT.  >> THE REASON WE STARTED  TALKING ABOUT HEY, LET'S LOOK  AT SURTAX WOULD BE TO LESSEN  THAT IMPACT ON RIGHT OR TO  HAVE THIS REVENUE SOURCE. SO  THIS IS URBAN CITIZENS AND  VISITORS ARE GOING TO PAY THIS  REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE I SO  LET'S JUST USE THAT REVENUE  SOURCE TO PAY FOR PORTION.  THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO RAISE  THAT OVERALL IMPACT OF  22 MILLION TAKE IT DOWN BY 50.  >> ANYTHING OTHER THAN UPON  THAT WE PAY BACK BY.  >> SURTAX THIS WON'T IMPACT  THAN  >> SO RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT WE  KNOW IT WOULD BE THAT  28 MILLION DOLLARS THAT WOULD  RESULT AND THEN MILLAGE RATE  IMPACT. AND THE ENTIRE  PROJECT.  >> AND PROPOSAL OF HOW TO PAY  FOR YEAH BUT WE'RE NOT AT THE  POINT WHERE WE FUNDED THE  WHOLE 122 I UNDERSTAND TAKE  OFF THE 50 MILLION YEAH IN  THAT REMAINDER AND ANYTHING  FUNDING. WEEK HAVE SOME CAN WE  USE A MILLION FROM HERE  KNOWING FROM FEES. THOSE TYPE  OF THINGS BUT THE BIG NUMBERS.  >> WE'RE  >> SO LET ME ASK THIS.  >> DEPENDING UPON OUR ABILITY  TO COLLECT OR IDENTIFY POTS OF  MONEY HERE AND THERE. THE  IMPACT TO THE MILLAGE RATE  COULD CHANGE.  >> DOESN'T IT DEPEND ON THAT  THE AMOUNT YOU. ULTIMATELY  DECIDE TO BORROW BUT WAS A  20 MILLION FOR THE BOND  QUESTION THAT MILEAGE GREAT  IMPACT WOULD BE 5.4 NOW  ANYTHING ABOVE THAT CHANGE  THAT. RIGHT THE ONLY OUT ON  THE TABLE AS A REQUEST TO  BORROW IS 28  >> SO AGAIN JUST TO REITERATE  WHAT I THINK I HEARD WE'RE  BONDING 100 MILLION MAYBE  MORE. THESE ARE ALL THE  DIFFERENT. I THAT WE WILL USE  TO PAY OFF THAT BOND AND RIGHT  NOW THE ONLY MILEAGE BACK AT  WOULD BE 5.4 4, RIGHT NOW  BASED ON THE NOW TODAY OK  THANK YOU, I'M DONE FOR NOW  OK, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL, YEAH, SO. I'M GONNA  GO BACK.  >> TIME AND I HAD A BRIEF  CONVERSATION JUST A LITTLE  CITY MANAGER. NORTH PORT  POLICE STATION. YOSSI AND THE  FUTURE FINAL STAGE. WHEN WE  APPROVED PURCHASING. THE 19  ACRES THAT'S GOING TO  PRIMARILY THE. POLICE  DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS. THE  MATERIALS THAT I READ AND THEN  WENT BACK TO COME FROM  INCLUDING THE E E O C BUILDING  ON THIS PERSON. AND THEN  DURING THAT CONVERSATION. WE  WERE TOLD 2 AND A HALF ACRES  IS WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT  NEEDED. AFTER THEY  ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY TO FIND  OUT WHERE THE WEAPONS OUT AND  IN THE BACKUP MATERIALS WAS  THIS SITE A SURVEY OF SORTS.  AND IT SHOWS THE WETLANDS ARE  ON THAT I DON'T HALF OF THE  PROPERTY. AND THE TOP HALF IS  THE BUILDABLE AREA. SO WHEN I  WHEN I MADE THE MOTION  APPROVED MY HOME FOR  PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY. IT  LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE PLENTY OF  SPACE FOR THE E E O C FOR THE  FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THE  POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND WHEN WE  HAD OUR MEETING LAST WEEK. WE  WERE TOLD THAT PUBLIC FIRE  DEPARTMENT FUTURE FIRE  DEPARTMENTS NOT GOING TO BE  PART OF THIS ANYMORE. SO I'M  CURIOUS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH  THE EO SEE BECAUSE I THOUGHT  THAT WAS STILL PART OF THIS.  WHAT DID USE YEAH WE CAN PUT  UP IN A  >> GO TO IS KNOW THERE ARE  CERTAIN ACTS IT'S LEADING TO  THE QUESTION ABOUT THE THE OC  SURTAX THAT I HAVE TO GO BACK  BEFORE I CAN TALK ABOUT TODAY.  >> TO GET A COKE CLEAR  UNDERSTANDING.  >> WAS THERE ANY MORE  QUESTIONS ON THAT THAT MILLION  PART OF THE SUBJECT AS WELL  TRYING TO SAY THERE'S QUESTION  ABOUT 50 MILLION THEN. I WOULD  LIKE. I COULD. BUT MINE THAT.  I DON'T KNOW IT WOULD BE  APPROPRIATE TO TALK, I MEAN  WE. WE MENTIONED  THE 50.  >> WE MENTIONED THAT COME FOR  MILEAGE BUT WE STILL SHORTLY  SHORT 122 MILLION SAVE THAT  FOR IT JUST THE 5TH IS OKAY,  OKAY. WELL PRESIDENT GO SEE  WHAT TEST. SOME SURTAX  IMPLICATIONS AS WELL ALL THEY  GIVE YOU THE HISTORY OF HOW WE  GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY  CIRCLE BACK TO SEE WHAT  SHIFTED TO FUND THE ELC CLOSER  TAX.  >> SEPARATE FIRE CHIEF FIRE  RESCUE DISTRICT. FROM THE  INCEPTION OF THIS PROJECT  THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MOVING  PARTS. I BELIEVE THE APPROVAL  WAS JULY WAS RIGHT. SINCE THAT  TIME THERE'S BEEN. WHETHER  IT'S MISSION LEFT. ONE OF THE  ABOUT US SO OUR MASTER SHOWS  WHICH IS WHAT SPOKE TO OUR  MASTER PLAN SHOWS THAT WE KNEW  AT SOME POINT WITH HIS STATION  UP FOR THE WEIGHT I 75 ON THE  NORTH SIDE, SOME SOMEWHERE  THERE. WE DO HAVE DEVELOPERS.  LOOKING TO DEVELOP BETTER COME  FROM THE BORDER LAST MONTH. WE  ARE REQUIRING THEM WHICH PART  OF A COVID DO WHAT'S CALLED A  CONCURRENCY STUDY AND THE WAY  BUILDUPS OF THE ME ACTUALLY TO  BE. MORE THAN ONE FOR STATION  ON THAT OCCASION WHERE THOSE  ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW  YET. WE ALSO DON'T KNOW  EXACTLY WHERE THOSE PATIENTS  WILL GO AS LOT OF THAT DEPENDS  ON THE BUILD UP THAT ROAD  NETWORK. HOW THOSE AREAS ARE  AFFECTED AND EVERYTHING LIKE  SO WE HAVE A FINAL APPROVAL.  WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING TO BE  OUT THERE WHERE IT'S GOING TO  BE LOCATED.  >> THINGS LIKE THAT IT'S VERY  HARD FOR US TO SAY  SPECIFICALLY THIS IS MISSION  IS TO GO. IN ADDITION TO THAT.  WE JUMP IN HERE IN TOWN THE  FROM OFF A LITTLE BIT ADDITION  TO THAT A SENSE PERSONAL  PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER  IT HAD TO DO WITH WHAT THAT IF  YOU WANT SLOW THINGS BUT  THERE'S A LOT MORE WETLANDS ON  THE PROPERTY IS WHAT WAS  ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. THE  FOOTPRINTS OF WHAT YOU SAW THE  OTHER DAY. PRETTY MUCH THE  FOOTPRINT THAT IS AVAILABLE  DEVELOP. SO THEIR SPOT. A LOT  OF ADDITIONAL SUSPECTS.  ADDITION TO THAT. THERE WAS  TIMES WE'RE BACK AND FORTH A  LITTLE BIT ABOUT DISCUSSIONS  OF YOUR SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT  BE WHAT ADVANTAGEOUS OR NOT A  PATIENT BEEN IN THE FOOTPRINT  OF THE PD BUILDING.  >> PROS AND CONS OF BOTH THING  I PRETTY STRONGLY. AS CHIEF  AND SUPPORT OF THAT. THINK  THAT'S THE BEST APPROACH THAT  WOULD HAVE TO BE HERE IN THE  CITY HALL COMPLEX FOR 8. A LOT  OF NUMBER OF REASONS AND BEING  INSIDE THAT BUILDING APD  FOOTPRINT. COST YOU IT ALSO  ADDS SOME RESTRICTIONS AS FAR  AS WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THINGS  TO PROVE THAT OUT.  >> LEVEL OTHER THINGS THAN  WHAT WE WILL BE REQUIRED.  >> AND AS WELL AS FOR FUNDING  AT SOME POINT THIS WAS A  LITTLE WHILE BECAUSE NOWHERE.  PERCENT PLANS ABOUT THAT THIS  PROJECT WE DIDN'T KNOW FUNDS  BECOME OR HOW IT WAS GOING TO  VOTE US RECENTLY.  >> HOW WORK THAT  >> BUT.  >> I WANT SAY IT'S WITHIN THE  LAST 6 MONTHS AND FROM MONTHS.  IT'S WHEN WE'VE GOT GET 30%  OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY PUT MUCH  OPERATION CENTER.  >> COMMISSIONER VISUALLY YES  WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE  FOOTPRINT. THERE WAS THE  POSSIBILITY THAT YES. THERE'S  GOING TO BE IN THE WORLD.  ONCE. THE PROFESSIONAL START  DIVING INTO IT. WE'RE GOING TO  MITIGATED.  >> THE WETLANDS A LOT  >> MORE AT WHAT COST I'M NOT  SAYING CAN'T BE BUILT THERE.  BUT IT'S AT WHAT  >> WE'RE GOING TO SUBJECT THAT  TOO. SO THAT'S WHY THE FIRE  CHIEF. AND IDEAS TO MITIGATE  SOME OF THOSE COSTS PACKERS  BY. HAVEN'T YOU ANOTHER  LOCATION, TO THE FIRE STATION  81.  >> WE BOUGHT THE 19 ACRES  WITH. THE UNDERSTANDING IT WAS  GOING TO BE PD THE OC AND FACT  BASED ON THE CONVERSATION  BASED ON MATERIALS THAT WE HAD  THAT TIME. AND NOW THAT IT'S  COMPLETELY CHANGED SO NOW WE  HAVE 19 ACRES FOR JUST A  POLICE STATION. WHEN IT.  >> RIGHT NOW IT'S ALWAYS DOES  IT GO OTHER. FUTURE USE FOR  THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW WHO  KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE USE OF  THE PROPERTY.  >> DO WE HAVE OF FOOTPRINT OF  THE POLICE STATION IN RELATION  TO THE 19 ACRES. YOU KNOW LIKE  WHERE IF 30% DESIGN PLANS  WILL. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE  IN RELATION TO WHERE PD IS  GOING ON THAT 19 ACRES.  >> IT IS AT THE VERY TIP TOP  OF THAT KIND OF FUNNEL SHAPE  PROPERTY THAT HAVE TO WANT  USE. I HAVE THIS MAP, BUT IT'S  THE SURVEY THAT SHOWS ALL THE  WEAPONS ON THE BOTTOM.  >> I COULD GET THAT  >> MAYBE YOU CAN JUST SHOW US  GENERALLY WHERE THAT'S GOING.  >> FOR HEAD KNOW THAT ON THAT.  YES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PERFECT  WILL GET THOSE ARE. THANK YOU.  SO WE'RE BUILDING IN THIS  PORTION HERE.  >> THIS IS WHERE WE'RE  CURRENTLY. IT'S GREAT TO HEAR.  >> SO THE THE SURVEY IS PRETTY  MUCH ACCURATE FROM WHEN WE  PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THE  WETLANDS HAVE CHANGED.  >> CORRECT THE WETLANDS ARE  THERE AND AT AS CHIEF CARSON  WAS KIND OF ALLUDING TO YOU  CAN STILL MITIGATE THOSE IT'S  JUST THAT WHAT COST YOU WANT  TO PAY MITIGATE WETLANDS TO  DEVELOP THE LAND AS WELL BUT  THE WETLANDS ARE ON THE BOTTOM  THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO  MITIGATE.  >> BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT  WELL AS LOCAL 12 ACRES ON THE  TOP. THE WHOLE POLICE STATIONS  CAN TAKE UP TO 12 ACRES.  >> BY THE TIME YOU HAVE THE  IMPOUND LOT YOU HAVE THE  POLICE STATION YOU HAVE THE  SRT GARAGE WITH THE UPTICK  GARAGES. POTENTIAL FUEL  STATION THE REQUIRED PARKING  FOR ALL THE. POLICE OFFICERS.  IT DOES HEAT UP THAT PLAN. UP  LAWMAKERS. YES. IF THERE THERE  ARE STILL GREEN AREAS WITHIN  THAT FOOTPRINT FOR FUTURE  PARKING LOT PROS AND WHATNOT  BUT YES, IT DOES HEAT UP THAT  ENTIRE  >> WELL THAT SHEDS A WHOLE  DIFFERENT SUBJECT IN  >> WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THIS  PD I I WAS COMPLETELY UNAWARE  IT WAS CAN TAKE UP THE ENTIRE  BODY OF THAT WENT SO THANK YOU  FOR THAT CLAIRE AND I  APPRECIATE THAT. SO BACK TO  YOU KNOW SEE THEN NOW YOU SEE  IS GOING OUT HERE BY STATION  81. WHAT'S ETA TO DO THE BOC.  BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO  TO BONDS. WE'RE SHIFTING  AROUND SURTAX.  >> OR ARE WE GOING TO TO  PICTURES A LITTLE BETTER STICK  TO THE TIMELINE A LOT OF UP  >> GOOD AFTERNOON, PREPARED SO  I BELIEVE A BUNCH OF THEM HE'S  BEEN ON TODAY'S AGENDA COMING  UP VERY  >> PULLED IS ACTUALLY A LET'S  OVER UNTIL THE 26. FACE IT.  >> SO ONCE THE BUDGET PLEAS  FOR WORKING ON THE CONTRACT  AMENDMENTS TO CONTINUE DESIGN  ALL. ONCE THAT COMES TO YOU OR  ABOUT MY MOM'S AND DESIGN  PERMITTING AND THAT SHOULD BE  TO. CANDY NEXT SO CONSTRUCTION  LIKE 25 START CONSTRUCTION. I  WOULD SAY YES.  >> THROUGHOUT ALL OF THESE  VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS, IT WAS  SAID THAT STATION 81 HAS TO BE  REDONE AND TEMPORARY QUARTERS  WE'RE GOING TO GO AT THAT  CORNER THAT NOW THE UFC IS  GOING TO HAVE SO WORSE  TEMPORARY QUARTERS FOR YOU  WON'T DO.  >> SCOTT THANKS AGAIN  TEMPORARY WILL STILL BE HERE  IN CITY HALL COMPLEX MATTER OF  WHERE SO GOING TO MAINTAIN A  FOOTPRINT RESPONSE AREA HERE  BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALSO THE  STATISTICS SAY THAT WE SHOULD  WHERE EXACTLY THE FOOTPRINT OF  THE WHOLE CITY ALL COMPLEXES.  >> WORKING ON THAT NOW BUT  WHEN WE HAVE THAT WE WILL  PROVIDE THAT TO YOU MORE THAN  LIKELY DOING MINIMIZE  STATIONS. PROBABLY LOOK FOR  >> A TEMPORARY OFFICE SHELF  SPACE REACH OUT FIND OUT THAT  YOU CAN DO SHORT TERM WE  SOMEWHERE JUST FOR SOME OF THE  ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, SOME OF  OUR STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE  DIFFERENT AREAS OF FIRE  STATIONS WE HAVE SHARE THEIR  INSPECTORS CAN SOLVE A LITTLE  BIT. SO WE'RE TRYING VERY FOOD  WITH THE PLAN.  >> WE TRY TO BE TO THAT SQUAD  RIGHT TO GUN. BUT WHAT WE'RE  WORKING ON OUT OF YOU CAN.  >> I HAVE A MENSCH BETTER  UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THESE  THESE SOUND LIKE ALL SEPARATE  PROJECTS, BUT. FROM OUR  BEGINNING OF OUR CONVERSATIONS  WHEN WE PURCHASED THE LAND  THEY WERE ALL INTEGRATED AND  VERY WELL CONNECTED AND I  WASN'T AWARE THAT THEY WERE  COMPLETELY SEPARATED.  >> BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATIONS  THAT NEVER FILTERED DOWN TO SO  I APPRECIATE THAT.  >> SO AS FAR AS THE E E O C  THAT 11 TO THAT IN THE SURTAX  FUNDING THAT'S COMING AT THE  END OF THE MONTH.  >> YES, MA'AM OKAY, SO I I DO  NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ANY  FURTHER ON O C. THANK YOU FOR  ANSWERING MY GENERAL. FROM  QUESTIONS ON HOW WE GOT TO  WHAT YOU GUYS KNOW NOW WE KNOW  TOO SO THANK YOU. APPRECIATE  THE INDULGENCE THANK YOU.  ALRIGHT, VICE MAYOR. GOT WHAT.  SHE'S MY QUESTION  THAT ANSWER.  >> ARE MOVING BACK TO GOALIES.  STATION HEADQUARTERS. YOU WANT  TO I MEAN. CAN I TAKE IT  BEYOND SURTAX OR DO YOU WANT  TO.  >> IT WILL START DO SOME OF  THE OTHER WITH BEFORE I WOULD  >> ON SURTAX. IT'S 50 MILLION  ENOUGH REMEMBER. WE'VE GOT TO  GET IF IF THE PLAN TO BUILD A  122 MILLION DOLLAR. WE  STATION. ASSUMING THAT SCOPE  OF THE PROJECT. IT'S  50 MILLION ENOUGH. OR DO WE  NEED MORE MONEY WE NEED TO  BORROW A 122 MILLION DOLLARS.  THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT IT  TAKES TO BUILD A POLICE  BUILDING. THE WAY IT'S BEEN  PROPOSED RIGHT.  >> THAT NO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO  20 BILLION DOLLARS. WHAT ARE  WE TRYING TO BAR THINGS WE'RE  TRYING TO PAY FOR SOME OF A $2  IN OTHER WAYS OTHER THAN  BORROWING IS NOT.  >> ONLY PLACE I SEE IS TO SELL  >> SOME ASSETS OTHER THAN  THAT. EVEN IF YOU RAISE THE  MILLAGE RATE MILLAGE RATE  COMES OVER YEARS AS SURTAX AS  IMPACT FEES AS EVERY FUNDING  SOURCE SO EVEN IF WE SOLD  10 MILLION SURPLUS. ASSETS  THERE'S A 110 BILLION TO  BORROW YOU HAVE BORROW NOW I'M  TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ELSE IS  MONEY COMING FROM THAT WE'RE  GOING TO HAVE IN THE NEXT 18  TO 24 MONTHS THE BOT TO BUILD  THIS BUILDING THAT'S THAT'S  PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT  WE'RE HAVING TODAY WESTON.  >> BUT WHEN YOU SAY BORROW  22 MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S NOT  WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT ON  THE BURDEN OF AND THE BACK OF  THE CITIZENS SAY IT'S A  120 MILLION DOLLARS. IT IS  GOING TO HIT YOU IN THE WAY  WHEN YOU SAY BARRING THAT'S  WHAT THINKING OH WE'RE TRYING  TO FIND WAYS TO PIECE THIS  TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN HAVE  THE LEAST AMOUNT OF BORROWING  REQUEST AND THEN THAT AFFECTS  FINANCIALLY.  >> BUT MY QUESTION IS IF IF  BUILDING PLANNED TO BE BUILT.  WITHIN THE NEXT 3 YEARS  BUILDING COMPLETED CORRECT.  HOW MUCH MONEY. OTHER  BORROWING. OTHER THAN  BORROWING. IN 3 YEARS CAN WE  RAISE SO THAT THAT 122 MILLION  CAN BE REDUCED BY THAT AMOUNT  >> I SEE THAT I CAN HELP YOU  WITH YOUR QUESTION.  >> SOMEBODY NEEDS HELP ME WITH  THAT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHERE  WE'RE COMING UP WITH MONEY IN  THE NEXT 3 YEARS TO BUILD A  122 MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING.  WE ALWAYS AND I I THINK I GET  WHERE YOU'RE GOING BECAUSE  IT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS  HEADED.  >> IF WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH  A 122 MILLION DOLLARS BEFORE  WE GO OUT A BIT THAT'S WHAT WE  HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD WE HAVE  TO HAVE THEM IN PACKING. YOU  KNOW BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE WE  CAN GO OUT TO BID, WHERE'S  THAT MONEY COMING IF WE'RE  GOING TO BE GOING OUT TO BID  AND AND HOPEFULLY HAVING  EVERYTHING COMPLETED IN 3  YEARS WHERE ARE WE GETTING THE  122 MILLION DOLLARS. IF WE'RE  NOT ISSUING BUTTS.  >> AND LET ME ADD TO THAT A  LITTLE BIT WHAT WOULD BE  HELPFUL FOR ME IS TO SEE A  YEAR-BY-YEAR VIEW.  >> OF OUTFLOWS.  >> HOW MUCH CASH ARE WE GOING  TO NEED TO PAY FOR THE  CONSTRUCTION AND WHAT TIME  FRAME.  >> AND THEN THESE VARIOUS.  >> MATT SAID SURTAX HOW DOES  THAT COME AND I THINK THAT'S  WHAT BOTH OF YOU ARE TRYING TO  GET TO EVEN IN A INCREASE THE  MILLAGE RATE COMES IN AT A  CERTAIN CANES. SO I DON'T  THINK WE CAN REALLY I  SHOULD'VE DONE THAT ALREADY  HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO BORROW. TO  HAVE THE MONEY IN HOUSE TO PAY  FOR CONSTRUCTION. VS WHEN  SIRTEX COMES IN AND WHEN TAXES  COME IN AND WHATEVER OTHER  BUCKET. THAT'S THE NUMBER WILL  HAVE TO BOND OUT. IF WE  SIMPLIFYING OR IS THAT PRETTY  MUCH WE CITY MANAGER HAS A  LITTLE BIT TOO DOWN THE LINE.  WHEN YOU COME AT 2 TODAY, WHAT  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.  >> TODAY WE ARE TELLING YOU  THAT WE BELIEVE THAT YOU  CANNOT BORROW ANYTHING MORE  THAN 50 MILLION DOLLARS. HE  SAID THAT THE PERSON IN  MEETING WE'RE GOING TO SEE  BASED ON THE TIMING OF THE  MONEY THAT WE COME IN AND HOW  WE SEE SURTAX DIRECTOR IN MY  RIGHT IS 50 MILLION OUR  THRESHOLD THAT WE WOULD ADVISE  OR WE WILL KILL WE GO DEEPER  THAN THAT NOT GOING 50 MILLION  WE'RE PUSHING IT JUST TO GET  THAT WE'RE STILL A LITTLE BIT  SHORT.  >> 3 MILLION DOLLARS WE STILL  NEED TO WORK OUT ELSEWHERE,  BUT AND CIRCLING BACK TO THE  QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE FIT THAT  IN. WE ACTUALLY YOU KNOW 3  YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THIS  PROJECT LISTS WE HAD REVENUE  PROJECTIONS BACK THEN THEIR  PROJECTED THAT 360 MILLION AT  THAT TIME.  >> OR THAT'S 15 YEAR PERIOD  WE'RE NOW PROJECTING AT  384 MILLION SO THAT'S WHERE  WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THAT.  >> EXTRA THAT WE'RE PROJECTING  IN REVENUES COME IN FOR A  SURTAX AND APPLYING IT HERE SO  THAT'S HOW WE TOOK OUT 30 AND  WE'RE FITTING IN 50 THAT  SERVICE FOR 50 THERE'S IT'S  THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING  PARTS TO EVERYTHING THERE'S  THAT'S YOUR MOVING PARTS ARE  COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OURS, SO  WE LET ME FOLLOW SUIT SO SO I  FOLLOW THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I  SEE THIS 50 MILLION LEVEL  BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT AND  DIVIDE OVER 15 YEARS, THE 315  380 WHATEVER NUMBER YOU WANT  TO PICK.  >> FOR PROJECTED MILLAGE RATE  TOTAL DOT OR SURTAX TOTAL  DOLLARS. THERE'S ROUGHLY 18 TO  20 MILLION 22 MILLION A YEAR  PART OF IT HAS TO GO TO PRICE  WIDENING FACE WHAT. WHAT'S  LEFT IF YOU TAKE IT OVER 3  YEARS TOTALS ABOUT 50 MILLION  THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE KEPT OUT  TO PAY. 50 MILLION TOWARDS  THIS POLICE STATION YOU ONLY  HAVE REALLY OVER A THREE-YEAR  PERIOD 50 MILLION ASSERT  ACTUALLY QUIT HOLE BECAUSE  THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO GET. SO  I'M GOOD WITH THAT I GET THAT  PART THEN I KNOW IT'S NOT A  SEPARATE PONDING BUT WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT. WITH A 5.4%  INCREASE IN MILEAGE RATE WHICH  IS WHAT WAS IN YOU KNOW THE  STATISTICAL DATA PROVIDED THAT  WOULD PROVIDE ANOTHER  28 MILLION OVER THE 3 YEAR  PERIOD. SO NOW WE'VE GOT 28  PLUS 50. OK 10 MILLION ASSETS  SALES, HOW MUCH IS LEFT YOU'VE  GOT IMPACT FEES. I DON'T KNOW  HOW MUCH THAT COULD PROJECT  HOW SHORT OUR THAT'S LEAVE  TOO. COURSE THAT NUMBERS DON'T  ADD UP TO THE PRICE EVEN A  100 MILLION DOLLAR POLICE  STATION LET ALONE A  122 MILLION DOLLAR POLICE  STATION SO I'M WONDERING WHERE  WE GET NOW IF YOU WANT TO  RAISE THE MILLAGE RATE. MORE  THAN 5.4 4 OR YOU CAN TAKE  THAT 28 MILLION ALL WITHOUT  HIGHS. YOU WANT TO TAKE IT TO  MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE THAT'S  WHERE I'M I DON'T BELIEVE I'M  JUMPING AHEAD. I MEAN THAT IS  THE ESSENCE OF THIS MEETING  AND THIS CONVERSATION IF WE  DON'T FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE  GOING TO COME UP WITH A  122 MILLION DOLLARS HOW WE'RE  GOING TO PAY IT. I MEAN WHAT  WE DO AND THAT AND I'M  STRUGGLING WITH IT AND GET A  LIFE CONSERVATIVES OVER  REASONABLE BASIS TO FINANCIAL  PERSON I CANNOT FIGURE OUT  WHERE WE'RE COMING UP THE REST  OF THE MONEY SO I'M ASKING  WHERE.  >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF  THEY HAVE THAT IF IT WAS IN A  WAY SHE TO THAT.  >> THINK EVEN CONCEPTUALLY  WOULD WORK. YEAH SOMETHING TO  START WE'VE GOT A 122 MILLION  WE'VE WE'VE WHITTLED IT DOWN  TO 50. WHAT ABOUT THE REST.  >> WHY DIDN'T YOU LET ME  FINISH THE PRESENTATION THAT  WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE  ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS  YOU GET OF THE READY. WERE  READING SORRY.  >> I APOLOGIZE.  >> THE FIRST DECISION THAT YOU  HAD TO MAKE TODAY WAS TO  UNDERSTAND WITH THE 15 EWING  WAS COMING FROM TO APPROVE THE  RESHUFFLING OF THOSE PROJECTS.  >> THAT IS THE FIRST THING  THAT YOU NEED TO DECIDE.  IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT YOU'RE ALL  OK WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN  ORDER TO GET TO THAT POINT  ASSUMING THAT YOU TRUST OUR  NUMBERS IN THE ABILITY TO  BRING BACK TO YOU. IT'S BEEN A  TOTAL FORMAT. BUT THIS IS NOT  EFFORT OF FINDING ONE FUNDING  SOURCE. IT'S EFFORT OF  MULTIPLE POINTING SOURCES THAT  WILL BE CHOSEN TO FUND THE  PROJECT. THEN DECIDE IF YOU  LOOK AT WHERE YOU WHAT NUMBER  YOU WANT TO LONG BETWEEN THE  ONE 22 WHICH IS THE CEILING  THE PROJECT VERSUS THE  100 MILLION WHICH IS THE  FLORIDA PROJECT MIXING THIS  GOING FROM THERE. BUT IN THIS  SCENARIO THAT WE'RE PROPOSING  TO YOU ONLY ASKING TO BORROW  IT WOULD AFFECT THE CITIZENS.  THE 20 MILLION DOLLARS THAT  WAS WITH US EARLIER ABOUT  COMMISSIONER LANGDON IN THE  SCENARIO WHICH WOULD BE A 5  WITH 44% MILLAGE INCREASE FOR  THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT FOR  THAT PARTICULAR BAR AND SO IF  YOU TAKE THOSE 2 NUMBERS THAT  WE GO FROM THERE BECAUSE WE  EXPLAIN THE SURTAX ON THE ELC  I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT I  THINK. I THINK SHE'S EXPLAINED  THE NEED TO MOVE THE PROJECT  THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT  THERE'S NOT ANY OBJECTION TO  THAT WE WILL KEEP GOING ON  THAT PATHWAY AS WE. DON'T OUT  THE PROCESS. PART OF THAT  PROCESS INCLUDES SOME. PAPERS  WERE DESIGNED AND I'M NOT  MISTAKEN CHIEF. THE COULD YOU  GIVE A TO GIVE UP 30% TO NOW  WE'VE GOT TO GET THE OTHER WAS  IS THAT GOING ON. ROUGHLY  4 MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S ALSO  NEXT PHASE IN THIS PROCESS FOR  ME AND ALL THAT NIGHT ANYTHING  THERE'S A YOU KNOW FOR YOUR  WHERE IS AS WE TRY TO FIGURE  OUT HOW SOFTEN THAT. SO YOU  TAKE THE 50 MILLION DOLLARS  THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH  SURTAX IT WAS OKAY WITH THAT  YOU TAKE THE 28 MILLION  DOLLARS IF YOUR OKAY WITH  PUTTING THAT POOR IN THE FALL  TONIGHT, IT 78 MILLION  DOLLARS. OKAY THAT'S WAY RIGHT  NOW. HOLD THAT NUMBER OF WHAT  WE KEEP GOING THROUGH PROCESS.  SO AT A CERTAIN TAX WHICH IS  QUESTIONS BOTTOM 6. YOU HAVE  GRANITE STATE APPROPRIATION  OPPORTUNITIES CONSIDERATION.  THIS CATEGORY IS ONE THAT IS  GOING TO BE PUT BACK STAFF AND  OUR TEAM WE HAVE OUR GRANT  MANAGER ABOUT ENOUGH ISSUES  GOING TO OR WITHOUT  LEGISLATIVE IT THAT HOT A TIME  MILES. WE BELIEVE THAT THERE  IS ROOM THE STATE FUNDING  TOWARDS PROJECT BECAUSE IT  QUALIFIES WHEN IN THE CITY AS  FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE PUBLIC  SAFETY. YOU ADD THAT TO SRQ  FUND THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING  MANAGED BY THE COUNTY AND WE  PLAN ON ASKING FOR 20 MILLION  DOLLARS OUT OF THAT PUT AS  WELL WOULD BE ANOTHER FUNDING  SOURCE. BUT AS YOU HAVE YOUR  QUESTIONS PAUL THE SECOND IT.  THESE ARE THE KIND OF FUNDING  SOURCES THAT WE BELIEVE WE  SHOULD BE EXPLORING TO  MINIMIZE THE BORROWING EFFECT  ON CITIZENS. HAVE THEREFORE  QUESTIONS.  >> OKAY I JUST WANTED CLARIFY  THAT YOU HAD WE STARTED ONE  22, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE WON'T  TAKE THAT DOWN TO A  100 MILLION THAT STILL TO BE  DECIDED WHAT WANT TO YOU GIVE  US DIRECTION FOR WHAT THEY DO  SAY THAT GOING TO JUMP  >> OKAY AND SO FAR WE HAVE  FIGURED OUT 78 MILLION OF THAT  SO IT'S RIGHT AT THE REMAINING  AS 44 MILLION. WHERE THAT  WOULD COME FROM AS GOOD AND  YOU JUST MENTION SOME  POSSIBILITIES TO ONE MORE TO  WHAT GOING HAVE THAT ANSWER  44 MILLION IS REALLY THE  NUMBER WORKING THAT'S WHERE  WE'RE AT RIGHT USUALLY DOUBT  THAT OK I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM  A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE CAN AND  IS THAT OKAY YEAH I HAVE MET I  MENTIONED.  >> NOW ITS MY UNDERSTANDING  THAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP TO  4 MILLION ON THE PLANS AND THE  DESIGNS AND TIME BECAUSE WE'RE  AT A 30%. ONE 22 MILLION IS A  GOOD WHAT'S OUT THERE WHAT  THEY PERCEIVE IT TO POSSIBLY  COST LOT OF TIMES AND THOSE  ANALYSIS THAT COME IN UNDER  THAT COST BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS  SCREAM HIGH. LET'S BEAT THAT.  SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT  THAT EXACT NUMBERS GOING TO BE  UNTIL WE GET THOSE PLANS 200%.  2 WERE THEN WE CAN GO OUT TO  WITH CONTRACTORS AND GET OUR  YOU KNOW MAXIMUM CONSTRUCTION  COSTS AND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY  GOING TO COST US FOR THE BILL.  AND IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING  THAT 122 MILLION DOLLAR. PRICE  TAG THAT'S TURNKEY THAT  INCLUDES EVERYTHING INSIDE THE  BUILDING BUILDING ITSELF IS  ABOUT A 100 MILLION WITH THE  EXTRA SHELTER SPACE THAT WE'RE  PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE. SO  THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT  OPTIONS GOING ON AND THAT OVER  100 MILLION BECAUSE IT MAY  COME DOWN. WE MAY WANT TO GO  DIFFERENT ROUTES WITH  FURNISHINGS THERE'S A LOT OF  THINGS OUT THERE THAT STILL TO  BE DISCUSSED ABOVE WHERE WE'RE  AT RIGHT NOW. THE MAIN THING  IS JUST GETTING TO THAT 100%  DESIGN.  >> RIGHT UP IN THERE THE TEAM  WORKING ON THAT IN AGAIN  FINANCE AND EVERYONE IS  HELPING TRYING TO FIND  FINANCIAL SOLUTION FOR THAT  ASKED BUT IS A PART OF THE BUS  THIS THIS EXTERNAL TO THE  CONVERSATION TODAY THAT HAS TO  BE ANSWERED FOR JOIN THAT SO  READY TO WIN AND ONE LAST TO  ON THAT LET'S SAY IT WAS  4 MILLION FOR THAT THAT COMES  UP WITH A ONE 22 BECAUSE THAT  WAS INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL  PRICE PACKAGE SO. I'M JUST  SAYING IT'S PART COST DOING  THE ONE 22 SO THAT WOULD BRING  ONCE WE AGREE TO THAT THAT  BRINGS IT DOWN ONE A KING. IT  KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE SPENDING  MONEY THAT WE'RE ALREADY  LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET AND  WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ONE TO  22.22 MILLION. LET ME JUST  REMIND US THAT THE ONE 22 WITH  FOR A BUILD OUT OF 2065 I  REMEMBER CORRECTLY IF THE LORD  THAT YOU HAD DOUBT THAT WAS  DEALT TO 2050 WHICH IS KNOW 26  YEARS AWAY. I THINK THERE ALSO  NEEDS TO BE SOME  CONSIDERATION. HOW FAR DO YOU  REALLY NEED TO BUILD OUT TOO.  YOU KNOW. IT'S GREAT TO PLAN  FOR THE FUTURE OF THAT IS  MAKING POWER OR YOU WANT PUT  OUT WHO IS GOING TO BE  IMPORTANT IN DECISION-MAKING  AS WELL AS THE PRICE SORT AND  I DO UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WE'RE  DOING AND THAT TODAY'S PRICES  NOT THOSE PRICES DOWN THE ROAD  YOU'VE GOT A LOOK AT WHAT'S  BEST FOR THE CITIZENS IN IN IN  TOTAL DESTRUCTIVE SO THAT'S  WHY WE'RE HAVING THESE  DISCUSSIONS, THANK YOU. I I  MAYOR.  >> FOCUSING JUST ON THE GRANTS  THAT YOU MENTIONED IT'S SO  WE'RE ENVISIONING ON THE SRQ  ASK FROM THE COUNTY THE HOOD  MONEY IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER  OTHER ASSETS WE HAVE WITH  REGARD TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND  OTHER THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT  SCHOOL FOR 28 INDICATED TO  THIS BUILDING.  >> YES WE DO NOT WE DO NOT  CHANGE THE ASK FROM ALL HAVE  SEEN WHO IS ALREADY GOING  FORWARD BUT AS THE OPPORTUNITY  NOW EXISTS FOR US TOO. BUT AS  MUCH AS WE CAN ON THAT TABLE  KNOWING THAT WE WILL NOT GET  EVERYTHING THIS ON THAT TABLE  AND THEY THEY WILL PRIORITIZE  IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN IT WILL  PRIORITIZE WHAT WE HAVE ASKED  FOR SO ONE THING WILL NOT SORT  OF REPLACE THE OTHER BUT  HAVING THIS ON THE TABLE IF  THEY QUALIFY IF NEED KELVIN  ALLOWED IT TO BE SELECTED IT  WOULD BE HELPED TO THIS  PROJECT AS WE TRY TO CUT FOR  FALL.  >> SO BE A COUPLE OF MILLION  DOLLARS FOR MIGHT AWAY WITH  MONEY OR EVEN 5 OR WAR FROM  STATE OR FEDERAL LEVELS. TO  CONTRIBUTE TO THIS PROJECT IF  WE COULD GET IT OVER THE NEXT  YEAR OR 2.  >> YES, I BELIEVE YOU KNOW OUR  GRANTS DIVISION WORKS  EXTREMELY HARD AND MISTER  MILES WORKS EXTREMELY HARD  WITH THE PEOPLE AT OUR STATE  LEVEL. 2 MAKE OUR NEED TO  KNOW. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GORI  IT AND OVER THE LAST A YEAR  PLUS THAT SHE HAS EXPERIENCED  13. I FEEL LIKE PART OF THIS  ASKED OF THE 122 MILLION WE  CAN'T ASK THE CITIZENS TO DO  SOME OF THE WORK WE ARE ASKING  THE COMMISSION TO DO SOME OF  THE WORK AND MAKE SACRIFICES.  WE HAVE THE STAFF MUST DO OUR  PART AS WELL SO WE NEED TO GET  OUT THERE AND FOUND A WITH  BRING SOME MONEY TO THE TABLE  AS WELL I THINK THAT'S HOW WE  DO OUR PART. SO BASICALLY.  >> YOU'RE TALKING 50 SURTAX 28  MILEAGE. 20 CLOSER TO 30 IN  TOTAL GRANTS WE WERE TO GET  THE SRQ IN ADDITIONAL GRANTS.  MAYBE PROPERTY RIGHT ONTO A  TEEN CHOICE HOW WE CREEP OUR  WAY UP THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO  GET TO THERE MORE.  >> THERE IT ALL THAT AND MORE  QUESTIONS RAIN THIS BEFORE I  GO. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL WAS  A  >> SO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY  WE I DON'T REMEMBER FEDERAL OR  STATE APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST.  >> OR.  >> THIS PROJECT.  >> WE.  >> TO GET IT WIN IT.  >> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING I  THOUGHT THAT WAS AN  APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST. I  THINK IT WAS AT THE STATE  LEVEL FOR THE PD. WHAT'S 5.  OUR GREATEST ON THE WAY.  >> DO YOU THAT MIGHT ALLEN  KOSKI A GRANTS DIVISION  MANAGER. WE DID APPLY TO THE 2  YEARS WE DID NOT GET IT. WE  HAD SOME PROBLEM GETTING SOME  STATE SUPPORT. I'M MANAGING  THAT THOSE FUNDS AND WE DIDN'T  GET THE STATE SUPPORTING TIME.  FOR IT TO GO THROUGH WITH THE  FEDERAL. ALL RIGHT FOLKS AND I  THINK FOR IT.  >> THIS YEAR WE'RE THE  APPROPRIATIONS REQUESTS AT THE  STATE LEVEL I CALL THIS  MORNING THAT WAS SOMETHING  THAT THE STATE IT WAS OR WAS  INTERSECTION.  >> INTERCHANGE I'M SORRY SOME  TURN I 75 INTERCHANGE WAS ONE  PROJECT AND I BELIEVE THE  OTHER ONE WAS WATER AND SEWER  EXPANSION THIS MAKES SOME  SENSE WITHOUT COURSE  HEADQUARTERS IF I MAY.  >> COMMISSIONER SO I DO  BELIEVE WE SEE DID WHEN WE  WENT UP TO TALLAHASSEE WE SEE  NEXT YEAR'S ASKS THAT'S AND  THAT'S WHY IT'S SO CONFUSING  AND PD WAS PART OF THAT AND  NOW I GET BE A I THINK ONE WAS  5 MILLION THE OTHER WAS  500,000 OR SOMETHING YOU  MENTIONED, AND WE WERE SORT OF  SETTING THEM UP FOR NEXT  YEAR'S ASK REFRESH MAY WHAT WE  PLANNING TO ASK FOR NEXT YEAR.  5 MILLION OR 500,000 THERE  WERE 2 ASKS. BUT THE STATE  LEVEL AT THE STATE LEVEL.  ANYONE HELP US BECAUSE HE DID  THE TALKING POINTS FOR  LEGISLATIVE DAYS. SO GREAT.  >> I POINTED OUT THAT MIGHT  HAVE BEEN TORE. THE YMCA OFFER  THE RIGHT IN THE REGION TO  ACCURATE. TODD MILES WHAT TO  SAY THEY'RE JUST WEEKLY  REVIEW. YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING  THE WORK. LOOKING CURRENT  REQUEST 500,000 FOR THE YMCA  PROJECT REQUESTED BY THEM AND  THAT SUPPORTING WE PROPOSE ANY  BUCHANAN HAS A NEW STATE  BUDGET. WE HAVE ALSO QUES THIS  YEAR PRICE. GETTING THE SECOND  REQUEST. WE'VE BEEN FROM  RECEIVE MILLION DOLLARS THIS  YEAR. THE CONVERSATIONS THAT  WE HAD WITH HIM ABOUT THIS  PROJECT. WE'RE SUSPECTED LEE.  THERE WERE NO DOLLAR AMOUNTS  ASSOCIATED WITH THAT I THINK  WE WOULD TO KIND OF WARM THEM  UP TO THE TOP. WE NEED TO HAVE  SOME CONVERSATIONS HERE  PROBABLY WITH OUR FOLKS UP IN  TALLAHASSEE TO SEE WHAT'S A  REASONABLE REQUEST. THE  CIRCUMSTANCES ONCE THEY  UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE PUTTING  ON THE TABLE BECAUSE THAT'S  ALWAYS THE FIRST STATE BUDGET  YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OF YOU PUT  IN AND WHAT'S THE GAP. SO I  DON'T THINK WE QUITE TO THE  POINT WHERE WE CAN DUSAUTOIR  NUMBER.  >> IT'S ALL AS FAR AS THE  GRANTS AND STUFF. THANK YOU  FOR THAT AS FAR AS THE  GRANDSON STEP YOU CAN'T COUNT  ON IT BECAUSE WE CAN APPLY FOR  TO PLY 4 4 IN SAY YES. THERE'S  NO WAY TO REALLY PLAN FOR SO  FOR FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION  GRANTS ARE PRETTY MUCH JAIL. I  WOULD AGREE THAT YES.  >> I WOULD NOT ATTRIBUTE ANY  DOLLAR AMOUNT TO WHAT WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT FOR GRANTED.  THIS IS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW  THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES  THAT WE'RE EXPLORING.  >> ASK ONE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION  REGARDING SURTAX AND JUST REAL  QUICK BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO  WITH THE THAT 50 MILLION LOVE.  PRICE BOULEVARD PHASE 2. I  STILL HAVE OUR FACE TOO  INCLUDES THE FRENCH OVER MY  HEAD CREEK. THAT'S NOT TO  BEING CONSTRUCTED WITH PHASE  ONE OF PRICE BOULEVARD. SO IF  WE ARE PUSHING IT'S SO FAR  OUT. WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT  THE CONDITIONS OF THAT BRIDGE  THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED  SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.  >> ICU NURSES  >> PUBLIC WORKS MISTER WIZNER  MAKING THEIR WAY DOWN THE  AISLE.  THE NEXT CONTEST THAT WHAT IS  THE ANSWER.  >> PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE.  >> SHOW US AND DIRECTOR PUBLIC  WORKS. WE ARE WORKING TO THE  DESIGN OF THAT NOW AS YOU  MENTIONED THAT THE COST OF  THAT HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED  YET, BUT WE WOULD BE LOOKING  FOR HAVING THAT A SEPARATE  CONVERSATION.  >> GOOD IF WE'RE REMOVING A  POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCE TO DO  THE PD STATION. LOVE THE PD  STATION BUT A BRIDGE IS FAR  MORE IMPORTANT. BECAUSE WE  HAVE BEEN TOLD WE HAVE TO  ADDRESS THAT BRIDGE SOONER  THAN LATER. SO WHEN IS THAT  GOING TO BE ADDRESSED. 2 YEARS  5 YEARS 20 YEARS WHAT DOES  THAT TERM I'M KIND OF LOOKING  LIKE.  >> WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING WITHIN  THE NEXT 5 YEARS WE ARE  LOOKING FOR MULTIPLE DIFFERENT  FUNDING SOURCES AS WELL.  >> OKAY AND IT IS.  >> BASED ON THAT ANSWER FOR  PUSHING OUT PHASE 2 OF PRICE  BOULEVARD TO A DATE UNKNOWN  BECAUSE SURTAX 5 HASN'T BEEN  APPROVED YET. IS THAT BRIDGE  GOING TO BE A STAND-ALONE  PROJECT OR IS THAT GOING TO BE  STILL TIED IN WITH PHASE 2 OF  PRICE BOULEVARD  >> IF THIS CHANGE HAPPENS WE'D  BE LOOKING FOR THIS TO BE A  STAND-ALONE PROJECT PROBABLY  FROM. THE TERMINUS OF HE'S ONE  TO THE BRIDGE. 2 MILE SECTION.  AND THE ORIGINAL.  >> HOLD FOR. 7 TO 10 YEARS IS  THAT ABOUT I WANT IT'S GOING  TO TAKE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO  CONVERSATION WILL BE ALSO  LOOKING AT TRANSPORTATION  IMPACT FEES AND OTHER THINGS  LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN YOU  KNOW, THERE. YES TOUGH ON THIS  THANK YOU THANK YOU.  >> OKAY, I KNOW THE MANAGER  WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE  SOMETHING  >> YOU CAN KEEP GOING I HAVE  SOME GENERAL SUGGESTIONS. SO  YOU CAN KEEP GOING NEED TO  JUST ANSWER YOUR PURSE AT A  WILL IT IS SO THE NEXT YOU  HAVE WITH NUMBER 8 ADDITIONAL  TAX CAN ANOTHER TAXI AND ON  TOP OF THE CURRENT ADDITION OF  ANOTHER ANY TAX PAY FOR THE  PURPOSE OF NEW POLICE  HEADQUARTERS. AND THE ANSWER  WAS NO WE DO NOT HAVE  LEGISLATIVE A WHOLE OR HOME  RULE AUTHORITY TO LEVY  ANOTHER.  >> AND THE 9 WITH PT IMPACT  THESE CAN MAYBE RAISE HOW MUCH  WITH SURE THERE IS WAS YES TO  IMPACT THESE CAN BE RAISED IF  A DEMONSTRATED NEED STUDY IS  COMPLETED THAT SHOWS  EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUIT THING.  THIS IS JUSTIFYING THE NEED TO  EXCEED. THE TIMING AND AMOUNT  PATIENCE IT GO TO STATUTE.  THAT CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDES  MORE INFORMATION ON THIS  PROCESS, BUT I THINK FACT HE'S  WITH THE WIND IT VICE-MAYOR  MISSION EARLIER TAKE A PAUSE  HERE AND WHAT YOU THOUGHT  ABOUT THAT RESPONSE TO GIVE  YOU A QUESTION YOU'RE GOING TO  GET BACK TO BELIEVE EAST AND  ABOUT THE NOTE-TAKING AND  IMPACT FEES AS WELL POLICE IN  IN YOU HAVE.  >> QUESTION  >> MORE YOUR GUIDANCE I I CAN  WAIT AND THERE DEFINITELY AN  IMPACT SO OKAY, PEOPLE HAVE  QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT DOES IT  MATTER GOING OVER APPRECIATING  THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD  BE RAISED, I KNOW WE JUST  RAISED THEM, BUT THERE  CRITERIA BY WHICH YOU CAN RACE  THEM AGAIN. ONE MIGHT THINK  THAT THERE. THE REALITY EXISTS  TO BE ABLE TO DO SO AS A  RESULT TO BE. EXTREMELY GREAT  GROWTH THE CITY'S EXPERIENCED  STUDY THAT WAS DONE TO  ESTABLISH THE EXISTING IMPACT  FEES WERE BASED ON POPULATION  ESCALATION THAT WE HAVE FAR  FAR FAR EXCEEDING SO  POTENTIALLY WE COULD DO THAT  ASSUMING WE COULD IS THERE ANY  IDEA I MEAN THE CONTRIBUTION  TO THIS PROJECT OVER A  THREE-YEAR PERIOD. IT  1 MILLION 2 1 MILLION 5  1 MILLION 10 1 MILLION  50 MILLION LIKE. I HAVE NO  IDEA SO I'M JUST TRYING TO  LESS THAN 5 MILLION IS THAT  LESS THAN 3 MILLION LESS THAN  TEND.  >> LIKE ITS STILL WAY TO ALL  PARK AM NOT LOOKING FOR JUST  TRYING WRAP MY HEAD AROUND ALL  NUMBER AND SEE HOW MUCH OF THE  CONTRIBUTIONS MAKE.  >> GET WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT A  POTENTIAL STUDY MAY RETURN.  REALLY EVEN IT WOULD TAKE A  LONG TIME, RIGHT NOW WHAT.  >> DURING COURSE OF THE YEAR  WHAT OR WHAT IS THE TOTAL  AMOUNT OF IMPACT FEES WE GET  RIGHT NOW. IF YOU  >> WONDERING WHY MAKE A  SUGGESTION. BUT THESE  DIFFERENT SOURCES OF FUNDING  RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT  IMPACT PERHAPS WE COULD  STRUCTURE A CONVERSATION TO  HAVE EVERYONE QUESTION AND  COMMENT ON THAT CATEGORY  RATHER THAN JUMPING BACK AND  FORTH SINCE WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT IMPACT FEES I HAVE  SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO IMPACT  FEES LIKE TO SAY, BUT IF  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL GOES IN  A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, SO I'M  WONDERING IF MOVING FORWARD WE  MIGHT STRUCTURE THE  CONVERSATION BASED UPON  POTENTIAL DOING WELL WASN'T  OBVIOUSLY WANT REALLY BECAUSE  THEY BEEN TRYING TO GET  THROUGH THESE POINTS AND THE  DIRECTOR MY LAST FISCAL YEAR  WE.  >> RECEIVED FOR NON WEST  VILLAGES. I'M JUST UNDER  500,000.  >> ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEES,  OKAY. IT'S GOOD THAT  >> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER  QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POLICE  IMPACT FEES. GENERAL THAT  COMING UP WITH ANOTHER. WELL  THE POLICE IMPACT FEES AS PART  THE THAT THEY'RE SEPARATE  ITEMS ON HERE SO WE CAN GO  THROUGH HERE AS COMMISSIONER  LANGDON. THAT I THINK THAT'S A  GOOD PLAN HERE THE NEXT ONE IS  GO AHEAD CITY MANAGER.  >> THE NEXT QUESTION REGARDING  TAX ASSESSMENT IS THERE IF  THERE'S A POSSIBILITY SIMILAR  TO THE WALL WORK WHICH  CURRENTLY PAY $46 PER YEAR SO  HOW MUCH AND THAT THIS REQUIRE  EVERYONE TO PAY IN THE U.S.  WAS NO WE DID NOT HAVE THE  LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO  ASSESS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT  SERVICES DISAPPEAR. TEXAS.  >> I'VE A QUESTION.  >> WE CANNOT ASSESS.  ASSESSMENT OR THE POLICE  STATION. HOW DOES A POLICE  STATION NOT CONSIDERED  INFRASTRUCTURE. SO A POLICE  STATION IS INFRASTRUCTURE.  >> BUT WE'RE  >> ASSESSMENTS AND I'M.  >> MY MONEY'S OKAY,  DIRECTIONAL CORRECT. THIS IS  INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THAT IS  NOT THE TEST WHERE WE CAN  LOVING ASSESSMENTS. THE LEGAL  TEST IS THAT THE PARTICULAR  PROPERTY HAS TO HAVE A  SPECIFIC BENEFIT. AND THE  STATUTES IN THE CASE LAW HAVE  OPINED THAT SOMETHING LIKE  POLICE HEADQUARTERS IS NOT  GOING TO GET A SPECIFIC  BENEFIT TO A PROPERTY THE WAY  THAT PERHAPS A ROAD  IMPROVEMENT. WHERE ROAD  IMPROVEMENT HAVE A BENEFIT TO  PARTICULAR PROPERTIES AND NOT  THE CITY AS A WHOLE. WE CANNOT  USE ASSESSMENT SPORTS KIND OF  GENERAL GOVERNMENT PURPOSES  AND A POLICE HEADQUARTERS THE  POLICE BUILDING WOULD BE  CONSIDERED GENERAL GOVERNMENT  PURPOSES AND I I I KNOW HE'S  IN SUMMER TERMINOLOGY BUT  THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN MY CAR  IMPACT CATEGORIES AND ALSO  BECAUSE THERE IS NEW  INDIVIDUALIZE SPECIAL BENEFIT  TO PARTICULAR PROPERTIES AND  ASSESSMENT IS NOT LEGALLY  APPROPRIATE.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK WAS THE  QUESTION REGARDING COMMISSION  REGARDING SELLING ASSETS CAN  WE IDENTIFY WHICH PROPERTIES  CITY OWNS THAT COULD BE  POTENTIALLY SO FOR PLUS  MILLION DOLLARS BASED ON THE  PARCEL THAT WE HAVE WE THAT  >> TESTED TOO. IN THE  PRESIDENT. IN INFORMATION THAT  WE SUBMITTED IT LISTED  STARTING REALTY AVENUE TO THE  PROPERTY THAT WE FIGHT TO GET  DEVELOP OUT EXTERNALLY AND  THAT NOT.  >> LITTLE SUCCESS. BUT ITSELF  BY THAT IS 7 MILLION DOLLARS  YOU WOULD LIKE TO BUT THE  TABLE FOR CONSIDERATION, IT  WOULD ALLOW YOU TO SO IT WAS  UP 20 AND WITH IT AT THE VERY  END OF THIS LIST IS GOING TOP  THE BOTTOM THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE  QUESTIONS ON THOSE BETWEEN IS  ONE OF THOSE GREAT SO YOU HAD  A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT  PROPERTY THIS WEEK. AND WE  RECEIVED POSED BY THE OR  COULD. YEAH AND YOU KNOW THE  PERSON TOOK INFORMATION SAID  IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN  THAT YOU HAVE WILLING TO SELL.  YES, FOR IT TO FOR THEIR  OWNERSHIP AND SO ONE QUESTION  IS.  >> IS THERE ANY.  >> DESIRE TO CONSIDER THAT AS  A SALE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE  EVER SO TO ANSWER THAT  QUESTION. YES, NO OR MAYBE SO  THAT WE NEED TO KNOW TO  EXPLORE THAT OPTION AS WE  COMPLETE THAT TASK CONJUNCTION  WITH THE TASK. A RIGHT THERE  ON SUNDAY WOULD HAVE OK SO TO  DO A SO WE WANT TO TAKE WE  WANT TO TALK ABOUT WARMER  SPRINGS FIRST AND THE IT IS  THE BIGGEST ONE ON YOU GO TALK  ABOUT OVER EVER YOU LIKE THAT,  WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AS TO  VICE MAYOR POINT ARE THESE.  ASSETS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE  PRICE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOR  RIGHT RIGHT.  >> OKAY, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT  THAT NOW IF YOU WANTED TO  BRING OUT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL  HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT  SOMETHING SPECIFIC IF THAT'S  BROUGHT UP THAT PARTICULAR  PARCEL. COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> YEAH, FIRST UP SO WHAT I  WOULD PREFER TO DO IS GO  THROUGH EACH OF THEM AND GIVE  YOU MY OKAY. MY THOUGHT ON  WHETHER SHOULD BE CONSIDERED  OR NOT ITALY WAS EVEN BEFORE  WE HAD HAD IT AS PART OF A  POTENTIAL 3 AND DALLAS WHITE.  IT HAD BEEN PLANNED FOR A  COMMUNITY CENTER THAT NOW  WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR GIVEN  THAT THE Y IS GOING IN RIGHT  DOWN THE STREET, SO WE HAVE A  7 MILLION DOLLAR PROPERTY.  IT'S CURRENTLY PARK PROPERTY,  BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE ADJACENT  TO OUT WATER SO SEE YOU KNOW  WE HAVE AT WATER SERVICE  SAYING THAT AREA SO FOR ME. WE  HAVE POTENTIAL 7 MILLION  DOLLARS FLOATING OUT THERE  WITH NO REAL PURPOSE THAT THE  CITY HAS YET IDENTIFIED THAT  WOULD BE ON MY LIST THAT SAY  YESTERDAY THAT WOULD BE A YES  FOR ME. SO CITY'S CENTER  BOULEVARD THAT WOULD BE  SELLING CAR AND POLICE  HEADQUARTERS DO I HAVE THAT  IT'S NOT. WELL WHAT IS IT.  IT'S A PROPERTY BEHIND THE  FOOTBALL FIELDS. TENSE AND  BILL I HAVE A MASK. CENTER  FOOTBALL FIELD OF SURROUNDING  LAND. SO THERE IS THAT. THE  FOOTBALL FIELD YOU TAKE. I  HAVE A QUESTION MARK THERE I  WAS THINKING IT WAS SOMETHING  ELSE. AND I WOULD CONSIDER AT.  BUT I NEED MORE INFORMATION  BEFORE I COULD DO THAT.  >> BUT 6 O ONE SUMTER  BOULEVARD FOR ME THAT IS THE  BUT ONE OF THESE IS THE FIRE  STATION.  >> WELL, NO I'M JUST ASKING  STAFF WE NEED SOMEONE TO COME  DOWN AND TALK TO THE PROPERTY,  YEAH OF LOCATIONS THAT WOULD  BE HELPFUL BUT THEY'RE NOT A  LITTLE MATH. AND THEN WAS  MAYOR.  >> WHICH PARTS ARE WE LOOKING  AT RIGHT LET'S START WITH THE  SECOND ONE SINCE I DON'T THINK  I HAVE I'M CERTAINLY NOT CLEAR  WHERE IT IS AND WHAT IT'S  CURRENTLY DOING YOU HAVE WELL  SO THIS IS THE FOOTBALL FIELD  IF YOU KEEP GOING FALLEN ON  THE.  >> I KNOW HOW.  >> ALL RIGHT SO I CAN SEE WHAT  WE WERE GOING. SO RIGHT HERE.  YOU CAN SEE WHERE CITY HALL  AND EVERYTHING IS AND THERE'S  MORE COMMUNITY CENTER NOW THIS  AREA RIGHT BACK HERE. IT'S 100  PROPERTY.  >> THE LITTLE BOX IS LIKE IF  YOU SEE THE OUTLINE. IT CITES  HIS BIG HUGE THE WHOLE THING  IS THE PARCEL ID NUMBER THAT  STARTS LIKE THE NUMBER IS A  LARGER AMOUNT OF THIS BECAUSE  SOME OF THAT IS WHAT WE WANT  END IT. IT'S REALLY ONLY BEEN  CALCULATED TO BE ABOUT THIS  MUCH REALLY WASN'T ANY CURRENT  PLANS AGAINST THAT WAS  INTENDED.  >> FOR SOME SPECIFIC YOU CITE  IS WE AS A FOOTBALL FIELD IT  CURRENTLY USED COUPLE FOOTBALL  FIELDS. THIS ONE  FOOTBALL FIELD. THE SO THAT'S  PARCEL. AND THAT'S PARCEL THAT  WE HAVE CONSIDERED OR HAVE  LISTED. PRINCE AVENUE, IF YOU  GIVE ME AN AND AGAIN IF I CAN  HAVE THE OVERHEAD. SUPER  DRAINAGE PROPERTY, IT'S DOWN.  CRANBERRY. IT'S THIS PARCEL  RATE HERE CRANBERRY AND YOU  HAVE THE RIGHT HAND CORNER IS  ABOUT WHERE CRANBERRY  ELEMENTARY YES. A PAIR.  SO ROAD AND DRAINAGE HOW WAS  IT CURRENTLY BEING USED NOT  BEING HIS TOP. IT'S JUST  SURFACED. CAN I ASK FOLLOW IT  >> IS THERE WETLAND AND THERE  THAT WE IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE  THERE'S A REASON.  >> A POND HERE I DID RECENTLY  FOR WETLANDS. IT IS NOT A PART  PARCEL IT'S PARCEL THINK IT IS  NOT. YES, OR NO YOU.  >> I WOULD CONSIDER IT A SENSE  IT'S NOT BEING USED. NEXT.  >> NEXT IS THAT IS PARCEL THAT  HAS LOOKED AT AS A PARK LAND.  I DO NOT HAVE A DISPLAY FOR  THAT WIND PREMIUM THAT FOR  >> I I KNEW WELL WHERE IT IS  SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T PRINT  IT OUT IT'S LANGUAGES. IT'S.  >> COME GET COMMONLY REFERRED  TO NAME THAT I'M NOT GOING TO  AND THAT MAY JOG YOUR MEMORY  WHERE IT'S AT.  >> IN GENERAL WHERE IS THAT  YOUR CHILD YOUR  >> IT'S THAT THAT ARE SO LEFT  TO THE CITY BY. ORIGINAL  DEVELOPERS THAT'S BUILDABLE IS  THAT SORT OF ONE OR IS THAT A  DIFFERENT.  >> THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH  THAT HISTORY, ME ONE 2ND  QUARTER. AND THE STAND RIGHT  TO DEVELOPMENT HAD IDENTIFIED  A PARCEL WAY OUT EAST FOR  PARKLAND ITS KIND AND THAT  LIKE I HAVE HEARD THAT IT'S  NOT REALLY BUILDABLE I DON'T  KNOW I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT SO.  I THINK THAT'S WHAT WHAT'S  CONSIDERED. YOU KNOW IT'S A GO  FOR IT PARK A VERY A TEAMMATE  FOR AN ATV PARK. THERE WAS  THAT IT. YEAH, IT'S.  >> NOT REALLY THE ACREAGE FOR  ME TO THE PARK. IF YOU DON'T  HAVE THE OVERHEAD AND CHEESE.  >> THIS WAS NEVER IN YOUR  OPINION WHAT WOULD BE AN  APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS  PROPERTY TO TALK ABOUT  COMMUNITY  >> IT ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED TO  BE A NATURAL AREA PARK THERE  IS. LATE IT IS CURRENTLY AS A  PASSIVE RECREATION PARK. SO  THERE IS A GOOD SIZE LEE HERE.  THERE WILL BE SOME COMMUNITY  OUT HERE I WOULD LIKE TO THAT  THIS IS WITHIN ACTIVITY MY  INCLINATION WOULD BE LEAVE IT  ALONE NUMBER ONE THE ONLY  PARKLAND I'M AWARE OF OUT EAST  IS THAT WATER.  >> AND WE HAVE A LOT ABOUT  EAST SO IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE  THE BEST PARCEL FOR THE CITY  TO KEEP I CAN'T MAKE THAT  DETERMINATION BASED ON.  >> INFORMATION BUT I'D BE  RELUCTANT. 2. BUT IN ON THE  CHOPPING BLOCK AT THIS POINT  BECAUSE OF THAT  >> AND NEXT PERSON BELIEVE IS  THE ONE THAT IS I'M 41 AND  SOME ARE RIGHT.  >> THAT LITTLE COMMERCIAL SPIT  OF LAND. YES, MA'AM THAT WOULD  BE A YES FOR ME.  >> NOW WEIGH IN ON THAT REAL  QUICK TOO.  >> WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN  INSTRUCTION TO CITY MANAGER TO  NEGOTIATE THE SALE OF THAT.  >> THERE  >> HAS BEEN SESSION WITH A  DEVELOPER HARBOR, THE  DEVELOPER I'M YOU MULTIPLE  TIMES SINCE WE RECEIVED THAT  DIRECTION. WE HAVE NOT  RECEIVED A LETTER OF INTENT OR  ANY INTEREST OR THEY MAY HAVE  RUN SOME CONSIDERATION WITH  EITHER WAY IN THE BACK END.  MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT AMOUNT  OF SPACE. WE REALLY JUST HAVE  NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM AFTER  MULTIPLE TIMES.  >> HOW DIFFICULT WILL IT BE TO  SELL THAT PROPERTY WITH THE  ACCESS FOR ROAD AND DRAINAGE  TO LOCAL POND.  >> WITH DIFFICULT FOR ME TO  ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT  NOW, HOWEVER, IT IS.  COMMERCIALLY IMPORTANT ONE.  FIRST A LOT RIGHT OFF OF 41  SOUTH IF THERE IS SOME BENEFIT  OUR. I WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.  >> BUT THAT'S BROKEN UP INTO  2, SO WE HAVE THE NORTH HALF  THAT'S CLOSEST TO COCO PLUM  AND THEN THERE'S THAT DRIVEWAY  AND THEN THERE'S THE SOUTHERN  PART OF THAT THAT IS 41 IN  SUMPTER. SO WE COULD SELL LIKE  THE BOTTOM HALF, NOT THE TOP  HALF. SO WE REMAIN. WE RETAIN  OUR ACCESS.  >> GUESS WE WOULD BE LOOKING  TO NEGOTIATE TO RETAIN ACCESS  AND POTENTIALLY SPACE FOR A  SECOND OR HER MIND THERE THERE  WOULD BE HAVE TO BE SOME  NEGOTIATION CONSIDERATION. BUT  THERE IS STILL ANAHEIM,  ESPECIALLY ON LOCATIONS.  >> THAT'S CS FOR ME WHAT IS IT  YOU. IF YOU CONSULT WITH ALL  THOSE CAVEATS THEM. NOT MUCH  IT'S. OKAY AND THEN THE LAST  THE SPRINGS ITSELF THE 23 ACRE  6 JUST LONG ON THE 6TH  >> YES, ENTIRE  >> FOR RESULT WAS THAT NOT NOT  NOT THE STANDINGS OKAY ALL  RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT  CLARIFICATION.  >> I THINK WHEN THE CITY  MANAGER WAS SPEAKING EARLIER  IT WAS ONLY IN CONSIDERATION  FOR THE FLORIDA FOREVER. IF  THEY WERE INTERESTED IN  PURCHASING IT IT PURCHASE THE  SPRINGS AS WELL. BUT WHAT  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS  JUST THE 62 ACRES TO PUT IT  OUT THERE AS PURCELL AND KEEP  THEM. THE SPRING SPORTS THAT  IS I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AND  THEY WOULD HAVE WANTED THE  SPRINGS AS WELL AS PART OF  THEIR PACKAGE I MEAN I WOULD  TELL YOU I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER  THE SALE OF THE SPRINGS.  >> I DID SAY LAST MEETING AND  I WAS QUOTED IN THE NEWSPAPER  AS SAYING I WANTED OUT.  MINERAL SPRINGS, BUSINESS AND  THAT'S REALLY BASED ON THE  FACT THAT IT WAS NEVER THE  INTENTION OF THE CITY TO GET  INTO THE OPERATIONS AND MANAGE  THAT PROPERTY. IT WAS A  TEMPORARY SITUATION. WHILE WE  WAITED FOR THE P 3 TO PLAY  ITSELF OUT. I JUST WANT TO BE  CLEAR I THINK OUR STAFF IS  DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB  MANAGING THAT PROPERTY, I'M  REALLY PLEASED WITH WHAT  THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO  ACCOMPLISH. I JUST DON'T THINK  THAT THAT'S THE BUSINESS THAT  WE SHOULD BE AND SO FOR ME. I  WOULDN'T WANT TO SELL THE 60  ACRES. AT THIS POINT BECAUSE  WE LOSE CONTROL OF WHAT  HAPPENS THERE. I WOULD  CONSIDER A 99 YEAR LEASE, SO  THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN SOME KIND  OF CONTROL AS WHAT OF WHAT  MIGHT HAPPEN THERE.  >> I WOULD BE OPEN TO SELLING  THE SPRINGS AT SELL. TO THE  STATE TO BECOME A STATE PARK  OR TO A CONSERVATION. WE HEARD  A LOT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT  THEY WANT TO CONSERVE AND  PRESERVE THE SPRINGS. I AGREE  SO I WOULD SELL IT TO A  CONSERVATION GROUP THE ONLY  CAUTIONARY TALE THERE THAT I  WOULD WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BE  AWARE OF IS THAT WE COULD SELL  IT TO A CONSERVATION GROUP.  IDEA OF CONSERVATION IS  PUTTING A FENCE AROUND NOT  LETTING ANYONE IN. SO THAT  COULD HAPPEN FOR PRESERVATION  BACK COULD HAPPEN SO. AGAIN  WITH THOSE CAVEATS I WOULD BE  OPEN TO SELLING THE SPRINGS TO  THE RIGHT ORGANIZATION WHO  WOULD CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN  THAT AS THE SPRINGS. I ALSO  HAVE SOME CONCERN. WHAT THE  CITY. I'M CONTINUING TO MANAGE  IT. I JUST BELIEVE AND THIS IS  BASED ON GOD. I DON'T HAVE  DATA THAT COULD BE A LOT OF  PRESSURE ON US TO INCREASE THE  USAGE IS THERE AS THE COST OF  MAINTAINING THOSE THINGS AND  OUR ACCESS TO FUNDS IS LIMITED  OUTSIDE OF MILEAGE. IF THE  STATE-OWNED IT CONSERVATORY  YET THEY HAVE ACCESS TO MONEY  THAT THE CITY OF NORTH PORT  DOES NOT SO I JUST WANTED TO  SHARE MY RATIONALE AND THE  LIMITATIONS THAT I WOULD PLACE  ON CONSIDERING THE SALES BUT  23 ACRES SPRINGS ITSELF. YOU  WENT DOWN THE LIST. I WOULD  JUST VICE MAYOR. ABIOLA  PREFER.  >> ITEM 1, 7, MILLION DOLLAR  ESTIMATED SALE PRICE OF THAT  FOR KIND OF GOOD WITH THAT  ONE. I DON'T WANT TO DO AWAY  WITH FOOTBALL FIELD BEHIND  MULLEN CENTER SO ON OH  GOODNESS NUMBER 2 PRINCE LANE.  I GUESS I'M RIGHT WITH THAT  NOT A BIG DOLLAR AMOUNT BUT  YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.  4 MILLION 4 THAT PROPERTY  EAST. YEAH I I GET THAT  THERE'S NO PARKLAND OUT THERE  BUT I SURE WOULD LIKE. PUSH  HARD FOR ANY FUTURE  DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE EVEN IF  IT'S IN THE AREA INDUSTRIAL  COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL THAT  AURA OFFICE THAT. WHOEVER  DEVELOPS OUT THERE MAKE SURE  THAT THEY ALLOCATE ACREAGE  TOWARDS PARKLAND THAT CAN BE  MADE AVAILABLE FOR OUR CITY  CITIZENS WHO LIVE AT SO I  WANTED TO BE ON SOMEONE ELSE'S  DOLLAR SO.  >> I'M KINDA RIGHT WITH THAT 4  MIL. YES ON THE  >> PROPERTY WAS THAT THE COURT  YEAH I WANT TO WITH THAT. WHEN  IT COMES TO MINERAL SPRINGS.  ONE.  >> I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SELLING  60 ACRES. ANYBODY THAT MIGHT  DEVELOP. IN ANY WAY THAT MIGHT  BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE SPRINGS.  IF THE ENTIRE 80 ACRES WERE  SOLD TO THE STATE WERE TO SOME  CONSERVATION GROUP THAT COULD  MAINTAIN IT AND TAKE CARE OF  IT. THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL  INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH AND ALL  THE CONVERSATION OVER MINERAL  SPRINGS YOU'VE HAD FOR NOT  JUST PAST YEAR AND A HALF BUT  I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION  BUT FOR GOD KNOWS HOW MANY  YEARS PRIOR TO AND NOBODY HAS  EVER NOBODY HAS SHOWN INTEREST  COUNTY WIPE THEIR HANDS OF IT  I DON'T SEE THE STATE RACING  IN TO BUY IT. I MEAN THAT  WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO MAKE ITS  SOMEBODY ELSES FINANCIAL  RESPONSIBILITY FRANKLY I THINK  IT'S ANONYMOUS CITY IN PORT. I  THINK THAT WE'VE MADE A  COMMITMENT. I GOT JUST 2 DAYS  AGO TO MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE  THAT 18 ACRES SOMETHING AT  LEAST WE'RE PROUD OF TO LOOK  AT GIVE THE PEOPLE WHO UTILIZE  REGULARLY. SOMETHING THAT WAS  SIMPLE BASIC AMENITIES THAT  THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED FOR A  YEAR AND A HALF THAT'S ALL I  KEEP IT SIMPLE DON'T DO  ANYTHING OR GIVE US JUST BASIC  BATHROOMS SO I'D LIKE TO SEE  THAT STAY AND I LIKE THE IDEA  THE CITY CONTROLLING IT IF A  CONTRACTOR MANAGEMENT COMPANY  CAN MANAGE IT. KEEP GORY BUT I  THINK OUR DEPARTMENT WE'VE  DONE A NICE JOB ON IT. IT  MAKES MONEY I THINK YOU CAN  PAY FOR ITSELF IF WE FIND THAT  WE HAVE TO DO SOME INCREMENTAL  INCREASES IN PRICE SO BE IT.  SO I GUESS IT'S A LONG WAY OF  SAYING I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT  MINERAL SPRING SHOULD BE SOLD  TO PAY FOR A POLICE BUILDING,  I'M SORRY. IT IS A PART OF OUR  CITY AND I CANNOT BRING MYSELF  TO SUPPORT AND I 16 MILLION IS  AN AWFULLY ATTRACTIVE NUMBER I  DARE SAY IF WE TRIED TO SELL  US SOME CONSERVATION GROUPS  SOMEWHERE TO STATE YOUR BUT  THE REALIZATION IS NOT  ANYWHERE NEAR 16 MILLION. BUT  AGAIN YOU KNOW THAT'S JUST  SPEAK SO I DON'T THINK IT'S  ANYWHERE NEAR THAT NUMBER I'M  NOT HERE AMERICA.  >> AND I COMMENT ON DIRECT  COMMENT IF YOU'RE A CAT. I  ALSO THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE  WHAT PLAN TO IMPROVE THAT  PROPERTY. I DON'T SEE IT AS  CONFLICTING TO ENTERTAIN SALE  OF THAT IN THE FUTURE  CONSERVATION GROUP. WE NEED TO  DO THAT WORK IT'S OUR  RESPONSIBILITY AND WEATHER WE  SELL WHAT GOING TO  CONSERVATION GROUP KEEP IT  THAT WORK NEEDS TO BE YET.  >> AND AGAIN SOME CONSERVATION  GROUP OR STATE OR SOMEBODY  WOULD PRESERVE THE 80 ACRES  TAKE CARE OF IT KEEP EITHER  PARKLAND AND PRESERVE THOSE  SPRINGS, I'D BE GOOD BUT. OKAY  SO WISH AND A PRAYER TO ME ALL  RIGHT COMMISSIONER EMRICH I GO  DOWN THE LIST.  >> WITH THAT IT WOULD HAVE  WOULD BE GOOD WITH THAT.  THE NORTH PORT THE NEXT ONE IS  THAT. ROAD DRAINAGE. PUT BALL  FIELD YEAH, I'M NOT FAVOR OF  THE FOOTBALL FIELD. YOU KNOW  THEY WERE THE FIELDS SELLING  THANK YOU. NONE OF US WANTS SO  FAR A PRINCE LANE, I'M ALRIGHT  LET'S NOT THINK IF WE OVER HIM  INDUSTRIALIZE THAT AREA THAT  MAY BE THE LAST PEACEFUL AREA.  OUT THERE. THE COMMERCIAL I  DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH  MISTER SPEAKE BACK IN THE DAY  ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND IF  THAT WHOLE TRACK WAS SOLD.  >> AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE  DEVELOPER HE SAID STILL HAD  ACCESS TO IT. SO I WOULD I  WOULD STILL LOOK AT PUTTING  THAT OUT THERE AND I'D BE IN  FAVOR OF GETTING RID OF THAT.  THE BIG TOPIC IS WARMER  SPRINGS. A ROAD SELLING THE  WHOLE THING ONLY IF IT WENT TO  THE FOREVER, FLORIDA. PLANNED  AS THAT'S WHAT THE CITY OF THE  CITIZENS OF ASKED OR THAT  WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY I WOULD  SELL THE WHOLE TRACK. I WOULD  LIKE TO SEE THAT WE MAINTAIN  THE SPRINGS ITSELF WITH  UPDATING IT. BUT WHEN IT CAME  DOWN TO SELLING OR LEASING THE  ACREAGE THAT ACCOMPANY THE  SPRINGS. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT  ASPECT IT WAS TO ENHANCE THE  SPRINGS NOT TO BE USED FOR  SOMETHING SO AND A QUESTION OR  STOKES SAID 60 MILLION IS  QUITE A BIT OF MONEY BUT. I  WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT  PROJECT EVENTUALLY DOWN THE  ROAD TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WOULD  TAKE PLACE NOW MAYBE WE MIGHT  ONLY NEED 8, 9, AND PUT BACK  INTO THE SPRINGS TO FINISH UP  THE PROJECT AND THEN THAT  WOULD LEAVE 9 AND IT AND AGAIN  IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF  DEVELOPMENT WOULD COME IN  THERE, YOU KNOW IT WAS AN ECO  TOURISM TYPE THING THAT WOULD  BE A BONUS SEPARATES CONDOS  AND STUFF LIKE MAY NOT BE  BENEFICIAL. SO. IT'S KIND OF  HARD TO MAKE A DECISION SAY  YES, SO IT WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW  EXACTLY WHAT THE PLANS ARE SO  I I COULD EITHER DIRECTION BUT  THAT'S THE FOUNDATION OUR I  WOULD VOTE IN THE FUTURE.  >> SO IT'S LIKE A YES, YES,  MAYBE MAYBE GO. YEAH HAHA  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> ITALY AVENUE.  >> BLINDED SAID THAT WITH THE  YMCA COMING IN WE DON'T NEED  ITALY YOU. I WANT I DIDN'T  KNOW FOR SURE YMCA WAS  ABSOLUTELY COMING IN AND THAT  IT WAS GOING TO REPLACE OUR.  DESIRE TO PUT A COMMUNITY  CENTER EAST OF TOLEDO YMCA YOU  PAY TO GO. OUR COMMUNITY  CENTERS. YEAH YOU PAY, BUT  IT'S MUCH MUCH LESS THERE'S  DIFFERENT KINDS OF  PROGRAMMING. SO I'M I'M NOT IN  FAVOR OF THAT WE WE STILL NEED  TO FIND A COMMUNITY CENTER  SPACE OUT EAST. FOR THE CITY  AND TO SAY THE YMCA IS THE  SAME AS A COMMUNITY THAT  SCENE. CITY HALL PROPERTY FOR  THE FOOTBALL FIELDS TECHNO.  PRINTS I DON'T SEE PURPOSE OF  IT. I KNOW THAT THE ROAD  DRAINAGE IS OWNED IT. BUT I I  DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THAT  THERE'S NO DRAINAGE CANALS IN  THAT GENERAL AREA IT'S NOT ON  THE WETLANDS SO I WOULD BE  INCLINED TO SAY YES. LANGUAGE  A FACT NO. ONLY BECAUSE WE WE  DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE  OUT THERE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT  THE FUTURE HOLDS AND IF WE  KEEP SOMEONE OFF OUR PARKLAND  WE'RE WE'RE NOT GOING TO  HAPPEN. NEED TO KEEP THAT OUT  IN THAT AREA. SUMTER AND 41 WE  ARE READY ALL AGREED YES, SO.  IT WHETHER IT'S TO THAT  PARTICULAR DEVELOPER SOMEBODY  ELSE DOESN'T MATTER. SPRINGS.  IN TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GET  FOREVER. FLORIDA IN HERE FOR  THE PAST BUT 18 MONTHS OR SO  SINCE WE'VE HAD THE P 3 IN  BEFORE.  >> I'VE BEEN IN TALKS WITH JON  THAXTON AND HE IS TRACK THE  THE CITY MANAGER AND JOHN  SAXON ARE SUPPOSED TO GET  TOGETHER TO SEE ABOUT WHAT  THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND IT'S  NOT JUST GULF COAST COMMUNITY  FOUNDATION BUT IT'S ALSO THE  CONSERVATION FLORIDA.  SURVATION FOUNDATION. THAT ARE  WILLING TO DO SOMETHING. AND  IT IS FOR THE 80 ACRES. THE  THE SPRINGS WATER AND THE 60  ACRES AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK  LIKE THAT AGAIN IT'S NOT A  DOOR, I'M WILLING TO CLOSE.  TUESDAY WE WERE TALKING HEY  SOME IF SOMEBODY IS OUT THERE  THAT WANTS TO BRING SOMETHING  WELL IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS. WE  HAD SOMEBODY WANT TO COMMIT.  SO IT NOT KNOWING WHAT THAT  ALL LOOKS LIKE I AM A YES IF  FOREVER, FLORIDA THEY'RE  WILLING TO CONSERVE AND  PRESERVE IT AND PUT IT IN SOME  KIND OF A CONSERVANCY  ABSOLUTELY. BUT IF IT'S FOR  DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A ****  THOUGH.  >> OKAY THAT'S PRETTY STRONG  ALRIGHT, I'LL GO DOWN THE LIST  HERE IN AVENUE. I WOULD BE A  GUESS ON THAT POINT BECAUSE WE  DON'T HAVE A PLAN OR  >> THE FOOTBALL FIELD AT THE  FOR THAT. MUCH MONEY ANYWAY.  ROAD AND DRAINAGE A PLANE. I  WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.  LANGLEY I WAS THAT A TV. OUR  TYPE THING I WOULD BE FOR  THAT.  >> YES THAT LITTLE PARCEL  THAT'S BY 41 BECAUSE THAT IS  COMMERCIAL. AND THEN  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. YES IT.  THINGS COULD BE WORKED OUT,  BUT JUST TO TO NOTE THAT THE  FLORIDA FOREVER FUNDS A  PROPERTY IS AND BOUGHT USING  THOSE FUNDS BECAUSE KEPT UP  WITH THEM SINCE THEY ACQUIRED  WHOLE THING THAT HAPPENED WITH  A CYPRESS GARDENS AND I  BROUGHT THAT UP AND THAT WAS  LIKE 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO.  THERE HAS TO BE A MANAGING  ENTITY. WAS GOING TO MANAGE  THE PROPERTY. IT WHETHER ITS  FISH AND WILDLIFE FOR EXAMPLE  THAT ORANGE HAMMOCK IS. FISH  AND WILDLIFE THAT'S WHY IT'S  PASSIVE USE ONLY OUT WE'LL  TALK ABOUT  WARM MINERAL SPRINGS A  COMMISSIONER LANGDON KNOW THAT  TOO. YOU CAN HAVE THAT OPEN  AND THAT HAVE PEOPLE JUST GO  THERE SWIM IN AND THEY'RE NOT  HAVING. LIFEGUARDS AND  MONITORING FOR ALLIGATORS AND  EVERYTHING ELSE SO THEY WOULD  WANT TO KNOW WHO'S GOING TO  MANAGE THAT AND I HAVEN'T  FOUND ANY LAND IN FLORIDA  PURCHASE WITH THIS MONEY AND  WHICH IT WAS STILL OPERATE IT  AS AND ATTRACTION TO THAT. YOU  KNOW CERTAIN AREAS WERE  CYPRESS IT WAS THE BOTANICAL  GARDENS THAT WERE PUT INTO THE  CONSERVATION EASEMENT WITH THE  FLORIDA FOREVER FUNDS IN THE  POLK COUNTY SAID THEY WOULD  TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR  MAINTAINING IF YOU LOOK AT  HISTORY THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT I  DIDN'T GO VERY WELL THEY THEY  LET IT GO INTO DISREPAIR  BECAUSE TENTACLE GARDEN CITY  TURN BACK INTO A JUNGLE AND  PEOPLE WERE VERY UPSET THAT  THEY WEREN'T KEEPING IT. THE  WAIT WAS BECAUSE IT THEY  TURNED OUT TO THAT WAS MORE  EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN  ANTICIPATED SO THAT'S WHAT  HAPPENED TO THAT AND AGAIN THE  OTHER HALF OF CYPRESS GARDENS  WAS SOLD TO A DEVELOPER AND  THAT'S LEGOLAND SO. THAT'S  WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT SO I JUST  THINK IT'S MORE RESEARCH WOULD  HAVE TO BE DONE ABOUT THE  LOGISTICS OF. OUR TO FRONT UP  FOR THE FUNDS BEING COMING IN  HERE AND OPERATING IT LIKE THE  PART I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN  CHALLENGING STATE PARK. AND DO  THEY BUY THAT PROPERTY OR IS  IT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU  HAVE TURN OVER TO THEM BECAUSE  YOU CAN'T OPERATE IT THAT'S  WHAT HAPPENED TO WITH YOU  WATCHING THAT LITTLE TOWN WITH  YOU WATCHING WHICH NO LONGER  EXIST. FINANCE A IT WASN'T  BRINGING IN ENOUGH REVENUE FOR  THEM TOO TO PAY FOR THE  MAINTENANCE AND THAT'S WHY.  THEY PRETTY MUCH JUST GAVE IT  OVER THE PARK SYSTEM BECAUSE  THEY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING IT  SO I JUST THINK MORE RESEARCH  HAS TO BE DONE. WITH WITH THAT  TO SEE IF THAT REALLY VIABLE  OPTION. ALL RIGHT CITY MANAGER  WE WENT THROUGH AND WHAT WE  HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS ABOUT  THOSE THOSE PARCELS  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> I'M THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT  I HAVE IS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED  TO REVIEW OUR. CITY-OWNED  ASSETS THE LANDS ALL THE  CITY-OWNED LAND EVERY SINGLE  WE HAVEN'T DONE IT AND I DON'T  KNOW HOW LONG AND THERE MIGHT  BE SOME LAND OPPORTUNITIES TO  SOUTH. BUT WE GOT TO HAVE THAT  BIGGER CONVERSATION LIKE WE'RE  REQUIRED TO HAVE. SO I JUST  WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE  THAT THERE MIGHT OPPORTUNITIES  THAN JUST THE ONES THAT ARE  MOST OKAY, BUT  >> CITY MANAGER MAYBE YOU CAN  CLARIFY THAT DOES SAY THAT  STAFF REVIEW POTENTIAL SURPLUS  THE COMMISSION IS SUPPOSED TO  REVIEW YEAR AND DETERMINE.  ACCORDING THIS IS THE LIST  THAT THEY CAME UP WITH FOR NOW  ARE LIABLE OPTION. THIS IS THE  RECOMMENDED LIST OF THE HIGHER  VALUE PROPERTIES WERE YOU TO  CONSIDER.  >> THERE'S MANY MORE ON A  LOWER LEVEL THAN IT YOU KNOW  IT'S THERE'S A LOT. SO THIS  WAS JUST SOME OF THE BIG ONES  YOU.  >> THEY RIGHT WE HEARD THE  FEEDBACK. THINK THE A LOT FROM  THAT CONVERSATION SO THANK  YOU. BUT THIS IS THIS WHAT  WE'RE IN THIS LIST IS JUST THE  LIST THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN OF  THOSE TYPE PROPERTIES IS GOING  TO GO BACK IN JUST A LITTLE  DUE DILIGENCE BUT COST  DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT  THERE'S NOTHING THAT I WOULD  PICK A DIFFERENT APARTMENT IN  AN ADVERSE WAY.  >> ALL EYE. AS COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL SAYS YES THERE'S A  LOT OF OTHER SHOW SURPLUS LAND  IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU  KNOW $20,000 LOT THAT'S AND MY  SON WOULD SAY CHUMP CHANGE, I  MEAN WE'RE GOING NEED TO GET  TO PRIZE HERE YOU KNOW QUICKLY  AND THAT'S I'M ASSUMING THAT'S  WHY THEY THEY PICK THESE  THINGS OUT COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL YEAH, WELL ABOUT  $20,000 MAY BE CHUMP CHANGE.  >> NUMBER 6 ON THE LIST IS  ONLY 14 2ND. YEAH SO SO YEAH,  THERE ARE SOME VERY VALUABLE.  IT SMALLER LOTS THAT WE COULD  BE SOMETHING SO WHILE YOU'RE  SAYING UNDER 20 IS CHUMP  CHANGE THAT ONE OF THOSE  CHANGE THINGS MADE IT  EMOTIONAL. I WAS LOOKING AT  THE SELFIE ESTIMATES THEY'LL  RISE, NOT WHAT YEAH. AND SOME  OF THE THE THE LOTS THEY'RE  ASSESSED THEIR SALE PRICE IS  20 30,000 THAT WOULD TAKE US  FOREVER TO GET TORY WANT TO  GO.  >> ALL RIGHT CITY DO WE HAVE  ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. YOU I  HAD ON THE PROPERTIES.  >> I DO ON THE PROPERTIES SURE  I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS  PRETTY UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT ON  A PRINCELING NOT UNANIMOUS BUT  THERE WAS YES ON ITALY.  PRINCE.  >> LANE.  >> AND SUMPTER. I THINK WITH  ONE MINERAL SPRINGS. THERE ARE  SO MANY CAVEATS ON THAT THIS  POINT I WOULDN'T THINK IT WAS  FEASIBLE SO I COUNTED UP. 8.6  MILLION DOLLARS POTENTIALLY.  FROM THE SALE OF THOSE ASSETS  AND WE HAD MAJORITY. SO OKAY  WITH THE  >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE TO KNOW  THAT JUNCTION RIGHT WE HAD A  NO FOR THAT. FOOTBALL FIELD WE  HAD A.  >> BASICALLY RIGHT.  >> AND THEN WHERE IS THAT MORE  MOST PRIZES TOO MANY  UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, FOR WHAT  IT I THINK CAN IF I'M A MAYOR  I THINK WARM MINERAL SPRINGS  ENDING THESE MEETINGS THAT  CITY MANAGER IS IS PLANNING TO  HAVE AN IS TRYING TO HAVE WITH  OUTSIDE INTO TONIGHT THAT WANT  TO GET FORWARD. I THINK MAYBE  BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION.  IT'S A YES, BUT AND IT'S MORE  OF A YES BUT LONG AS IT'S LIKE  A NON PROFIT, YES, AND I'M  HOPING THOSE OUTSIDE GROUPS  ARE HEARING SOME OF THE  QUESTIONS AND THEY WILL FIND  OUT. THIS WILL KNOW THIS IS AN  EXAMPLE OF THIS MANAGEMENT  COMPANY CAME IN TO DO THIS AND  THEY WERE ABLE TO USE THE  FLORIDA FOREVER. SO THAT'S  WHAT AND. HAVING TO DO HARD  FOR THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND  BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATION YOU  GAVE US EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED  TO HEAR.  >> FOR THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN  OUR PENDING REGARDING YOUR  DESIRE TO EITHER RETAIN  RELEASE CONTROL THAT FRONT  THANK YOU. HEALTH RIGHT.  ♪ >> I KNOW, I'M GLAD YOU'RE  KEEPING TRACK OF THE TIME JUST  DON'T DO THAT REALLY SORRY  OKAY, SO IT'LL BE A LOT  ♪ AND THEN IT'S OKAY SO WE'LL BE  BACK AT 2.49. IT  IT IS 2.49,  YES, THEY DID SAY WE WOULD  COME BACK. THANK YOU AND WE'RE  GOING TO. AND WRIST THAT  RESPECT FOR SOME OF OUR  OFFICERS WHO NEED TO LEAVE  THAT DO THEIR TO HAVE PUBLIC  COMMENT CITY CLERK.  >> DANIEL HUGHES DOES NOT WISH  TO SPEAK, BUT SUPPORTS THIS  ITEM. SANTIAGO FOR DOES NOT  WISH TO SPEAK THAT SUPPORTS  THE TOM NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT  SUPPORTS THE ITEM. JOEL NADER  DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK WHAT  SUPPORTS THE ITEM. JOHN  BOSWELL DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK  I JEAN TELL, DOES NOT WISH TO  SPEAK THAT SUPPORTS THE ITEM.  AND THEN DOES NOT WISH TO  SPEAK, BUT SUPPORTS THE CHRIS  CHURCH DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK,  I DO. FRIENDS LAWSON WAS NOT  WISH TO SPEAK WITH SUPPORT I  ROBIN SNYDER DOES NOT WISH TO  SPEAK THAT SUPPORTS THE ITEM.  DANNY HAD THAT THAT WAS TO  SPEAK THAT SUPPORTS ITEM AND  NATHAN TRACKER DOES NOT WISH  TO SPEAK WITH SUPPORTS THE  ITEM. LISTENING IN PERSON WE  HAVE TREVOR THOMPSON, ALL BY  BRETT AND THEN DRUCE MATT.  >> WE WANT THEM OVER HERE.  ACA. NAME IS TRISTAN THOMPSON.  PRESIDENTIAL PARTNER RELOCATE  YEARS. HERE IN SUNNY  SOUTHWEST, FLORIDA. YOUR  ATTENTION. COMMISSIONERS AND  MAYORS. WE'RE MOVING AND  STORAGE COMPANY. AS I  MENTIONED OPERATING IN  SOUTHWEST, FLORIDA. AND YOU  MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE THAT  NORTH FLORIDA IS THE NUMBER  ONE DESTINATION OF ONE-WAY  TRIPS FOR ALL U HAUL.  >> RENTAL UNITS COMING. FOR  MORE OIL.  >> DESTINATIONS IN THE UNITED  STATES AMERICA. I THINK WE CAN  ALL AGREE PORT POLICE NEED TO  BE EMPOWERED TO BE EFFECTIVE  TO KEEP OUR CITIZENS SAFE. AND  TO DO THIS THEY NEED THE  WORKING AND OPERATING.  FACILITIES TO EXECUTE THEIR  SERVICE FOR OUR COMMUNITIES  AND OUR FAMILIES. THIS WILL  ENSURE THAT WATER IS PROPERLY  ADJUDICATED AND WE ALSO CAN  AGREE TO BE PROACTIVE  IN THIS NEED AND TO START NOW.  INSTEAD OF AFTER THE GROWTH.  CONTINUES TO HAPPEN ANY  OPPORTUNITY PASSES TOO. BUILT  THIS NEW POLICE FACILITIES IN  OUR CITY. AND WE GO INTO  SCRAMBLE MODE. ENSURE THAT  THIS IS THE TIME TO TAKE  ACTION NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE  THE RIGHT DECISION AND DO  WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THE  JOB DONE AND I HAVE YOU AGREE  WITH ME INTO THAT. IF YOU WANT  TO ENSURE SAFETY DURING THIS  CONTINUING. CONTINUOUS GIRLS  FOR OUR CITIZEN IN CLOSING. I  WAS BORN AND RAISED MORE 45  MILES AWAY FROM WHERE THE TWIN  TOWERS WERE. A PLACE AND ONE  OF THE GREAT CITIES IN THE  UNITED STATES AMERICA INC. AND  PEOPLE WOULD SAY THIS COULD  NEVER HAPPEN IN OUR GREAT  CITY. BUT THANKS TO PEOPLE  LIKE MEN AND WOMEN IN THE  UNIFORMS HERE TODAY. THAT THE  SITUATION WAS HANDLED IN A WAY  THAT YOU KNOW HELPED US TO  REBOUND IN A IN A FASHION SO  ANYWAY JUST WANT TO SAY THANK  YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION MY  REQUEST NOW IS THE TIME DO  YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND FIND A  WAY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN FOR  YOUR GREAT CITIZENS OF THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT THANK YOU.  GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU  FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME  IS JERRY SMITH FROM A LOCAL  SMALL BUSINESS YEAH BIDEN SAID  TO THE POLICE FORCE OF 50 IS.  MY BEST FRIEND DANIEL  CONTINUES. OVER THE YEARS I  WATCHED THAT WHOLE SERVING IN  THE COMMUNITY TOOK ON THAT.  LAST YEAR ALMOST ANNUAL THE  SUICIDE FROM PTS STATE THIS  JOB IS HARD ENOUGH WITHOUT  HAVING THE. WITHOUT HAVING TO  WORRY ABOUT HAVING ADEQUATE  FACILITIES AND RESOURCES TO  THE JAIL. I'M HERE TO SHOW MY  SUPPORT TO KEEP THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT. TO KEEP AND SAFE.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH BASED ON  ME TODAY AND I THINK YOU'LL 6.  >> THE  >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE  TO SPEAK.  >> BY PATRICK CORONA.  >> AND MIKE MORALES.  >> YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS  MAYOR VICE CITY AS WELL AS  LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF PORT A  PARENT AND A BUSINESS OWNER.  DEEPLY INVESTED IN OUR  COMMUNITY. I'M HERE TO EXPRESS  MAYOR JAKE CONCERN REGARDING  PRESSING NEED FOR NEW POLICE  STATION TO BE BUILT. OUR  CURRENT FACILITIES ARE SIMPLY  INADEQUATE TO HANDLE THE  DEMANDS OF THE RAPID GROWING  CITY. THIS PRESIDENT EXCUSE  ME. THIS ISSUE POSES A  SIGNIFICANT THREAT AND TO THE  SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR  RESIDENTS. THE PAST 13 YEARS I  PROBABLY CALLED NORTH PORT MY  HOME. AND I CHOOSE TO RAISE MY  FAMILY HERE AND ESTABLISHMENT  BUSINESSES HERE. AS A RESULT  OF THE PROMISE IN 6 OF SAFETY  AND SECURITY. HOWEVER AS OUR  COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO EXPAND  IT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY  CLEAR THAT POLICE STATION IS  BURSTING AT THE SEAMS THE  QUARTER IS NOT ONLY HINDER THE  GROWTH AND EFFICIENCY OF OUR  POLICE TAPE BUT ALSO  COMPROMISE THE ABILITY TO  EFFECTIVELY SERVE AND PROTECT  OUR CITIZENS. WITH 3 CHILDREN  GROWING UP IN THIS COMMUNITY  ARE STILL IN SCHOOL ENSURING  THEIR SAFETY IS MY TOP  PRIORITY. I UNDERSTAND  FIRSTHAND THE IMPORTANCE OF  PROVIDING OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT  OFFICERS WITH NECESSARY  RESOURCES FACILITIES TO CARRY  OUT THEIR DUTIES EFFECTIVELY.  MY FATHER SERVED AS POLICE  OFFICER FOR OVER 30 YEARS.  EYEWITNESS HOW WORKING  CONDITIONS CAN PROFOUNDLY  IMPACTING OFFICERS ABILITY TO  PERFORM THEIR JOB. MOREOVER AS  A BUSINESS OWNER WITH A VESTED  INTEREST IN THE PROSPERITY OF  PORT. I RECOGNIZE THAT SAFE  AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT IS  ESSENTIAL FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH  AND DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE  CURRENTLY AT A VERY LOW RATE  FOR CRIME AND I LOVE TO SEE  THAT CONTINUE. WE MUST TAKE  IMMEDIATE ACTION TO ADDRESS  THIS ISSUE BEFORE IT SPIRALS  OUT OF CONTROL. AS OUR  COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW A  RATE IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE  INVEST IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE  SHE'S IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE  THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THIS  EXPANSION. PLAYSTATION QUIT  THE MODERN FACILITIES SPACE  FOR GROWTH. IT'S NOT ONLY A  WISE INVESTMENT IN THE SAFETY  WELL-BEING OF OUR RESIDENTS.  ALSO CRUCIAL STEP TOWARDS  FEATURING THE LONG-TERM  PROSPERITY OF CITY OF PORT.  URGE YOU TO PRIORITIZE THE  CONSTRUCTION OF NEW  PLAYSTATION ALLOCATE THE  NECESSARY RESOURCES TO MAKE  THE PROJECT A REALITY, THE  SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR  COMMUNITY DEPEND ON IT  TOGETHER LET'S WORK TOGETHER  TO BUILD A BRIGHTER AND SAFER  FUTURE FOR ALL RESIDENTS AT  CITY OF PORT.  >> THANK YOU MISTER MAYOR CITY  COMMISSIONERS FOR YOU  OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT WAS  PATRICK CORONA, A LICENSED  PUBLIC ADJUSTER I MOVED HERE  RIGHT AFTER THE STORM. WHEN I  FIRST MOVED HERE, I JOINED A  LOCAL THAT WORKING GROUP THE  END I MASTER CONNECTORS IT WAS  THERE. BUT I MET 2 OF YOUR  POLICE OFFICERS WERE ALSO  BUSINESS OWNERS. MISTER MIKE  MORALES JOE FOSSIL. OVER THE  LAST YEAR AND A HALF ABOUT THE  OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW  THEM ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. I  CAN TELL YOU THEIR COMMITMENT  TO THIS COMMUNITY IS AMAZING.  NOTHING WAS MORE EVIDENT THAN  WHEN THEY INVITED ME TO  PARTICIPATE IN THE. THE JUST  CENTER OPERATION SANTA THAT  WAS HELD WE HAD IT AT WALMART.  WHAT THAT ENTAILED WAS. WE  WENT THERE ON DECEMBER 22ND  AND AS PEOPLE WERE CHECKING  OUT OF THERE. THE WIND. BUT  THERE ARE FULL OF TOYS FOR THE  KIDS WHO FOR THEIR FAMILIES  WOULD DIRECT THEM TO A LINE  ESPECIALLY FOR THAT. AND THERE  ARE OFFICER WALK OVER TO THEM  AND SAY WE'VE GOT THIS. THEY  COULDN'T BELIEVE IT THEY START  CRYING AND THEY WOULD SHARE  TESTIMONIES ON WHAT THEY WERE  GOING THROUGH. IT WAS A VERY  MOVING EXPERIENCE AND  SIMULTANEOUS AS WE'RE DOING  THAT IN WE SAW WE WERE PULLING  PEOPLE OVER FOR MINOR TRAFFIC  VIOLATIONS. AND THEY WERE.  GETTING THEIR LICENSE  REGISTRATION ASKING THEM  QUESTIONS GOING BACK TO THE  CAR THAT RIGHT IN THE TICKET.  THEY WOULD PULL INTO THE  WALMART AND TOLD POLICE  OFFICER DON'T GET THIS TORY  BRAND TO THIS LOCATION. SO  INSTEAD OF GETTING A TICKET.  IT WOULD BRING THAT POINT THEY  WERE HOPING TO GET FOR THEIR  KIDS. THIS IS THE KIND OF  SERVICE THAT THE POLICE  OFFICERS HERE, IT'S PLAYED IN  PORT. AND IT'S NO MYSTERY THAT  PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS  WHY SO MANY PEOPLE MOVING  HERE. PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE  WHERE THEY FEEL SAFE. THE  POLICE OFFICERS HERE THEY  ABIDING CITIZENS FEEL SAFE.  IT'S ALSO A MYSTERY THAT YOU  KNOW YOU NEED A NEW FACILITY.  THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIG  DEMAND AS MORE PEOPLE MOVE  HERE. THERE'S GOING TO BE  HIGHER CRIME NEED MORE  OFFICERS WAS OFFICER GOING TO  FACILITIES. I KNOW THAT. A LOT  OF MONEY. AND I HAVE NO IDEA  YOU CAN I GET IT. WHAT I DO  KNOW THE IN CONSTRUCTION, MOST  OF MY LIFE. IS THAT. THE PRICE  OF EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP.  DRAMATICALLY A POOL CAGE THAT  WAS $10,000 A YEAR AND A HALF  AGO IS NOW $20,000 A ROUTE  THAT WAS $30,000 45. SO IF YOU  CAN AFFORD IT NOW OR YOU KNOW  20 YEARS, THE PRICE HAS  DOUBLED OR TRIPLED. LIKE FOR  YOU TO FIND THE MONEY BECAUSE  THE CITIZENS OF NORTH PORT  DESERVE IT. AND THE POLICE  OFFICERS HERE ARE OUR DESERVE  IT AS WELL THANK YOU VERY  MUCH.  COMMISSION LIKE MERLE  START PORT. SO ONE THING THAT  I WANTED TO STRESS TO YOU IS  WHATEVER WE DO AND I WHAT YOU  WILL MOVE FORWARD THIS AND I  POLICE ARE DON'T UNDER DO IT.  THE COST ONE 22 TO THIS AND  IT'S LOOKING AT A 100. SHELL  SECTION FOR EXPANSION. THAT'S  WHERE THOSE PROBLEMS TURNED  THE BIGGER PROBLEMS DOWN THE  ROAD AND COST MILLIONS ARE THE  FACTS. WE LOOK AT WHAT. THE  CURRENT PD IS WHEN IT WAS  BUILT AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW.  OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALREADY  BUSTING AT THE SEAMS WITHOUT  THE PROTECTION OF WHAT  HAPPENED WITH COVID AND ALL  THE GROWTH AND EVERYTHING  THAT'S COMING HERE NOW. SO I  WANT YOU OVERDO THAT UNDER DO  WHEN IT COMES TO CRIME AND  PROTECTING THE PEOPLE AND THE  CITY I WANT TO SAY TO BE A  PLACE WHERE A WORRY AND THEY  WANT TO COME HERE FOR CRIME.  YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE WANT  TO PROTECT.  >> IN 2020 THE PD RECEIVED  APPROXIMATELY 68,000 CALLS FOR  SERVICE. AT THE END OF 23  RISEN TO 90,000 OKAY JUST IN  THAT PERIOD OF TIME. WHAT ARE  YOU GOING TO PROJECT OUT FOR 3  YEARS FROM NOW AND FURTHER OUT  20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. DOING  WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO NOW IS  GOING TO SAY THAT TAXPAYERS  MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR WHAT  IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO IT.  WHEN YOU NEED IT AND THAT'S  WHY WE NEED OVERBILLED. WHEN  IT COMES TO THIS. EVERY  BUSINESS THAT I'VE TALKED TO  AND EVERY PERSON THAT I'VE  TALKED TO FULLY SUPPORTS THIS.  I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE SUPPORT  YOU GUYS IN THE DECISION I  KNOW YOU HAVE ARE TRYING TO A  DECISION ON HOW TO DO IT  EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW WILL  GET WORKED OUT, BUT WE FULLY  SUPPORT THANK  >> IT. THE HOUSE WHERE THEY  WANT FROM HIM.  >> GOOD AFTER THE BRETT  STRATA. IT'S ONE OF THE GIVE  YOU OUTSIDER'S POINT OF VIEW  BECAUSE I JUST MOVED OUT 6  MONTHS AGO. SOLD OFF IT. BUT  THE CRIME RATE IS.  ASTRONOMICAL IT IS INSANE  WHAT'S GOING ON UP THERE IT'S  ALMOST WORSE IN CHICAGO. HOW  THEY GOT THAT WAY THEY GOT  THAT WITH ABOUT BEING  PROACTIVE. MADE A GREAT 0.11  THAT A GREAT POINT ABOUT  PAYING FOR IT NOW AS OPPOSED  TO PAYING FOR ONE IT'S THE  FUTURE. I LIVE UP AND WELLEN  PARK AND FROM WHAT I  UNDERSTAND JUSTIN WELL, A PARK  ALONE. WHAT IT'S BUILT OUT IN  5 YEARS WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO  BE THEY'RE GOING TO BE 60,000.  RESIDENTS THERE THAT IS A TON  AND THAT'S JUST RIGHT THERE.  WE HAD A BREAK IN THE OTHER  DAY AND ONE OF THE PARTY THE  COMMUNITIES THAT I LIVE IT.  THEY CUT THE FENCE THEY CUT  THE SCREENS WHEREVER THERE'S A  COP THERE WITHIN 10 MINUTES  TALKING TO NEIGHBORS. AND IT  WAS PHENOMENAL. YOU KNOW, I  TALKED MEETINGS AND STUFF LIKE  THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM AND  THIS IS THIS NEEDS TO BE  SOLVED. THIS ISN'T JUST GOING  TO GO AWAY ON ITS SO I  UNDERSTAND IT'S A BIG PROBLEM,  THE MONEY ALL STUFF BUT AS A  BUSINESS OWNER WHO MOVED OUT  HERE BECAUSE. IT'S ONE OF THE  SAFEST PLACES IN THE NATION TO  MOVE. IT'S IT'S TALKING ABOUT  IT I TALKED TO. SO I TALKED TO  TALKED TO A COUPLE LONGER TO  KEEP A I TALKED I WAS GETTING  MY HOUSE A TALK TO PLUMBER  DOWN HERE WAS DOING SOMETHING  FOR ME AND HE SAID BRETT HE  GOES THERE'S ALWAYS.  >> SOMEBODY YOU WILL ALWAYS  SEE WHAT YOU'LL ALWAYS SEE A  COP CAR. IT IS THE SAFEST  PLACE AND THAT'S WHAT MADE MY  FINAL DECISION. SO PLEASE KEEP  A SAFE PLACE.  >> OR NEW PEOPLE LIKE WHO LOVE  THIS PLACE AND FOR PEOPLE THAT  LIVE THERE MUCH LONGER. SO  THANK YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE LEFT OFF  THE PHONE FOR THE SURPLUS LAND  AND THAT NOW WE'RE ON TO ITEM.  >> WELL I THINK CITY MANAGER  OF IMPACT IS IN GENERAL.  >> ONE MORE THING BEFORE WE  GET THERE SELLING OF ASSETS  THE ONE THING THAT WAS NOT ON  THIS LIST SOMETHING YOU BARNEY  HEARD ABOUT WHICH IS IF YOU  WERE TOO SELL THE CURRENT  POLICE STATION THAT WOULD BE  ABOUT 7 MILLION DOLLARS ALLOW  HIM TO MOVE INTO THE NEW  SPACE.  >> WE BELIEVE.  >> THAT TO OUR BUILDING CITY  CAN PURCHASE THE BUILDING AND  ALLOW OUR BUILDING OF ITS  SERVICES DEPARTMENT MEMBERS TO  OCCUPY BUILDING WHICH WOULD  FREE UP OF THIS BUILDING AND  THEN THAT POLICE ABOUT LOOKING  TO BUY SO SHE IS MOVING IN HER  BUILDING AND THAT SHE WOULD  BUY IT. AND OUR STAFF WOULD  MOVE THERE IT STILL GET THE  REVENUE FOR THE PURCHASE. WHAT  WHAT DEPARTMENT IS THAT  DEVELOPMENT SERVICES  DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIVISION.  OUT OF QUESTION ABOUT THAT  YEAH. HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY  WOULD HE SELL IT. WHY WHY  WOULD WE SELL A GOVERNMENT  BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT.  >> TO JUST THE BUILDING  DEPARTMENT, I MEAN THAT'S  THAT'S 32,000 SQUARE FEET WHY  NOT HAVE IT JUST AVAILABLE OR  DEPARTMENTS THAT MAY NEED IT  YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T PURCHASE  THE BUILDING WITH.  >> OTHER FUNDS WITHOUT HARMING  YOUR POCKET. YOU'RE ABLE TO  BUY. BUILDING AND USE BUILDING  BOATS BUT STILL COME OUT OUT  OF GENERAL FUND TO PURCHASE  THIS SPACE FOR NOT ONLY THAT  BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUT THE  SERVICES START BELIEVIN THOUGH  TODAY.  >> MY BIGGER QUESTION IS WHY.  WHY SO IT TOO.  >> THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHY  NOT JUST SAY OK BUILDING  DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT  SERVICES, MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW  PARKS MOVE OVER THERE WHY YOU  WILL GET THE MONEY YOU WILL  NOT GET THE SO DON'T HAVE THAT  MUCH FUNDS IN HERE YOU DON'T  KNOW THAT.  >> I  >> THANK WOULD WOULD YOU LIKE  ME TO JUST JOIN OR A DIRECTOR  OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WE  HAVE APPROXIMATELY 10 MILLION  AN INCUMBENT DOLLARS IN OUR  BUILDING THAT WE MUST SO WE  ARE IN DIRE NEED THAT SPACE WE  ARE BUSTING AT THE SEAMS ON  THE FIRST FLOOR. WE ARE  UTILIZING CLOSETS. WE WE'RE  MUCH THE SAME POSITION THAT  THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WE  ARE. UTILIZING I HAVE 4 STAFF  MEMBERS AND ONE CONFERENCE  ROOM. SO WE ARE WE'RE TRYING  TO MAXIMIZE EVERY INCH OF  SPACE BUT STATE STATUTES DO  ALLOW. BUILDING FUND MONEY TO  BE UTILIZED TO PURCHASE A  BUILDING. THAT A DIVIDEND OF  BUILDING DIVISION STAFF WILL  UTILIZE. THE STATE STATUTE AND  STATE LEGISLATURE REALIZE WE  CAN'T BUY PART OF THE BUILDING  YOU HAVE TO BUY A WHOLE  BUILDING. IF OTHER DEPARTMENTS  THAT THERE WOULD BE SPACE FOR  OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE MAY NEED  TO WORK OUT SOME TYPE OF THE  LEASE ARRANGEMENT OR OTHER  TYPE OF THING FOR THOSE  WHATEVER SPECIAL FUNDS OR  OTHER FUNDS MIGHT BE USED TO  RENT SPACE TO REIMBURSE THE  THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR  THE PURCHASE OF THE BUILDING.  BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE  CAN DO. WE DO HAVE THAT MANY  IT DOES HAVE TO BE USED WITHIN  A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME  BECAUSE UNDER STATE STATUTES  WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO CARRY  THAT MONEY MORE THAN A CERTAIN  NUMBER OF YEARS WITHOUT  REIMBURSING. DONORS HAVE YES  THANK YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL  INFORMATION I DID NOT KNOW  THERE WAS 10 MILLION DOLLARS  IN UNCOVERED FUNDS AVAILABLE  FOR AND THANK YOU FOR  EXPLAINING THAT OTHER  DEPARTMENTS COULD THEN LEASE  IT FROM THE BUILDING  DEPARTMENT.  >> BECAUSE WHEN CITY MANAGER  WAS EXPLAINING IT. IT MADE IT  SOUND LIKE IT WAS ONLY GOING  TO BE FOR THE BUILDING  DEPARTMENT SO THANK YOU FOR  THAT I DO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP  QUESTION. ALL OF THAT FUNDING  AVAILABLE IS IT TIME TO LOOK  AT REDUCING OUR BUILDING FEES.  BECAUSE IT'S ONLY GOING TO  CONTINUE. AND WE MIGHT NEED TO  HAVE CONVERSATION COME BUDGET  TIME SO I THINK IT WOULD BE  FAR TOO PREMATURE AT THIS  POINT TO LOOK AT REDUCING OUR  BUILDING FEES CONSIDERING.  >> INCREASED. WITH THE  INCREASED CONSTRUCTION  INCREASED BUILDING THAT WE'RE  HAVING AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL  AND NO COST THAT WE MAY HAVE  BECAUSE OF STATE LEGISLATION  THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE OUR  COST TO INCREASE. NOW WOULD  NOT BE THE TIME TO LOOK AT.  REDUCING THOSE FEES. WE DO  PROBABLY NOT THIS YEAR, BUT  THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR TO  INCLUDE FUNDS FOR A BUILDING  FEAST AT AND AT THAT POINT  THAT WOULD BE WHEN WE WOULD  TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT ARE THESE  ARE, BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT  DOING THAT IN 2025 WE BE  LOOKING AT DOING THAT THAT'S  FOR BUILDING FEE STUDY FIRST I  WAS NOT AWARE OF THANK YOU.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> SPEND JUST WANT TO MAKE FEW  COMMENTS ALWAYS PLAYING INTO  MOTION LAND ARE YOU GETTING  READY FOR WE HAVE MORE AND NOT  FINISHED OKAY, WHAT WOULD I  JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF  COMMENTS BECAUSE IN. WE'RE  REALLY IN A PICKLE. IN TERMS  OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE  AVAILABLE AND ALL OF OUR  INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUILDING  NEEDS AND. SO I ALWAYS HAVE TO  CONSIDER HOW THE HECK DID WE  GET HERE. AND AND THERE ARE 3  THINGS THAT COME TO MIND ONE  IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WERE 140  SQUARE MILES OUR ROADS ARE AND  WE HAVE 69 MILES OF CANALS NOT  A I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILES  OF CANALS 69 WATER STRUCTURES  THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN. WE  HAVE SOLID WASTE THAT EVEN IF  THERE'S ONE HOUSE IN AN AREA  HAS TO RIDE OUT TO THAT HOUSE  AND PICK UP THEIR TRASH. FIRE  AND POLICE. I KNOW YOU GUYS  DON'T STOP. AND AN IMAGINARY  LINE BEFORE YORKSHIRE BECAUSE  THEY'VE TO FIRE OUT AT THIS A  CALL YOU GOT OUT.  ♪ SO WE HAVE ARGUABLY AND  INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT  240,000 PEOPLE WITH 90,000  PEOPLE PAYING TAXES. SO THAT'S  A HUGE DELTA AND MY MIND AND  ONE OF THE REASONS  ♪ WHY WE'RE IN SUCH JAM THAT  WE'RE IN. THE SECOND IS AND  TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF TIMES  AND PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF  OUR REZONING CONVERSATIONS WE  PERCENT COMMERCIAL SPACE IN  THE CITY. EXPERTS SAY YOU NEED  BETWEEN 2030% OF YOUR LAND USE  COMMERCIAL AND NOT A TO HAVE A  HEALTHY CITY BUDGET. WE WAY  OFF. AND WE ARE PAYING FOR  TODAY AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY  FOR THAT MANY YEARS INTO THE  FUTURE. THAT THERE ARE AND  IT'S IMPACT FEES AND I WOULD  BE THE FIRST TO SAY WE NEED TO  TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IMPACT  FEES, BUT COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL DID REMIND ME THAT  WHEN WE. APPROVED A PRETTY  SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN OUR  IMPACT FEES IN 2022. IT WAS  UPDATED PLAN AND THANK YOU I  WAS STILL THINKING WE WERE  WORKING. ON. PLAN BUT WE JUST  STARTED COLLECTING ON THOSE  UPGRADED FEES. WE DON'T HAVE A  WAR CHEST. YEAH, MAYBE IN 5  YEARS 10 YEARS WILL BEGIN TO  FEEL A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF.  AND THE COLLECTION OF THOSE  IMPACT FEES. SO I JUST WANT  LAY THAT OUT AND ALSO  RESPECTFULLY REQUEST OF OF  CHANGE. AND OUR STAFF I HOPE I  HAVE DEMONSTRATED TO YOU AND 3  AND A HALF YEARS THAT I WILL  GIVE YOU GUYS ANYTHING YOU  NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL. BUT I  WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO  REALLY LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN THE 25 YEAR PLAN  100 MILLION DOLLAR PLAN AND  THE 40 YEAR PLAN WHICH IS THE  ONE 22. AND WHEN I LOOK THE  DIFFERENCES. WE WOULD SAVE 7.3  8 MILLION IN THE REDUCED SHELF  SPACE NOW I KNOW THAT LIMITS  OUR GROWTH. THE ON 25 YEARS,  BUT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK  FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT IN 25  YEARS AT SHELL SPACE IS GOING  TO NEED A ROOF. THE WINDOW  THIS MIGHT BE COMPROMISED LOOK  AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE  CURRENT PD HEADQUARTERS IN  JUST 20 YEARS. WE WOULD ALSO  PARKING TAKING A LOOK AT THE  ANALYSIS IN YOUR PRESENTATION  COVERED PARKING. IMPOUND LOT  WHEN LOSE SOME SPACE THERE.  BUT IF WE HAVE SUFFICIENT  SPACE FOR THOSE THINGS FOR THE  NEXT 2025 YEARS. I WOULD  ANTICIPATE THE CITY WOULD BE  IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION AND  TERMS OF POPULATION AND  BUILDING UP OUR IMPACT FEE  FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND  THOSE THINGS AT A LATER DATE  AND I AM NOT ONE TO SUGGEST  ANYTHING THAT WOULD COMPROMISE  YOUR SUCCESSOR, YOUR  EFFICIENCY. BUT IF IF WE'RE IN  A JAM WE'RE KIND OF STRUGGLE  TO FIND A 100 MILLION. AND A  122 MILLION AS 22 MILLION  DOLLARS BEYOND THAT. SO I  WOULD JUST ASK YOU CONSIDER  THAT AND MAYBE REDUCED PARKING  MIGHT BE AN ACCEPTABLE  REDUCTION THAT WOULDN'T  COMPROMISE YOUR EFFECTIVENESS  AND AND WE CAN EXPAND THAT.  YOU KNOW AT AS WE CONTINUE.  BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT  OUT THERE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING  TO WE'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND  THE MONEY AND AND IF WE FIND  FALLS IF WE COLLECT MORE IN  SURTAX AND WE ANTICIPATED  BEAUTIFUL LET'S GO TO THE ONE  22. BUT I JUST WANT ALL OF US  TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT 25  YEAR 100 MILLION DOLLAR LEVEL  AND JUST MAKE SURE WE CAN  DEVELOPED THAT PROPERTY AND A  WAY THAT DOES NOT COMPROMISE  YOUR SUCCESS OR YOUR  EFFICIENCY FOR THE NEXT 2025  YEARS. THAT'S MY PIECE. I VICE  MAYOR.  >> KNOW ARE WE ON SUMMATIONS  THINK CITY MANAGER YOU HAD  YEAH THERE'S VARIOUS TO MOVE  FORWARD WE CAN ALL START S  INCUMBENTS WHO CLEARLY RUNNING  OUT OF TIME UNLESS WE WISH TO  TAKE OUR 4 O'CLOCK MEETING AND  THEN COME BACK AND PICK THIS  UP BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE ARE  HOURS YET TO GO CONVERSATION  REGARDING THIS NOT.  >> I COULDN'T GET TO MY  CLOTHING POINT FOR YOUR  COMMENTS IN LIKE JUST A FEW  MOMENTS, THANK THE  COMMISSIONER DOING IT JUST  TOUCHED ON THE IMPACT THE SO  IT ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE  TO SAY ABOUT IMPACT THAT WITH  YOU NEXT QUESTION IN ORDER ON  THE DOCUMENT.  >> COMMISSIONER FOR TALKING  ABOUT IMPACT I TO HAVE A  COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THERE. AND  THE IMPACT THE IMPACT FEES  WERE DONE IN 2020 A NEW STUDY  WAS DONE IN 2020. PRE-COVID. 3  HURRICANE. AND. IN MY OPINION  WE REALLY NEED TO DO ANOTHER  FEE STUDIES SO I I WILL HAVE A  MOTION COMING FORWARD  REGARDING THAT. BUT IS THERE A  WAY.  >> TO USE.  >> FUTURE IMPACTS SCENES. TO  HELP PAY THIS NEW PROJECT EVEN  THOUGH THE PROJECT WILL BE  DONE. PRIOR TO THOSE IMPACT  FEES BEING COLLECTED AND IS  THERE A WAY TO SAY OK WE'RE  GOING MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS  WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT  FOR HOWEVER LONG BECAUSE  IMPACT FEES CAN ONLY BE GROWTH  RELATED WELL, THE GROSS  RELATED IS NOW AND IT'S GOING  TO BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS IN  THE FUTURE. HOW IS THAT GROSS  RELATED IMPACT FEES GOING TO  HELP A BUILDING THAT IS NOT  GOING TO REACH CAPACITY IN  NEEDING TO BE EXPANDED. SO I  HOPE MY QUESTION CLEAR. THE  IMPACT FEES FOR THE LAW  ENFORCEMENT THAT ARE GOING TO  BE COLLECTED EVEN AFTER  BUILDINGS DON TO BE ABLE TO BE  USED. PAY FOR THE BILL. HOW  WOULD THAT LOOK.  >> SO I I THINK WHAT YOU'RE  DESCRIBING WOULD BE A DEBT  ISSUANCE WITH THE REVENUE  SOURCE TO PAY PAY THOSE  PAYMENTS BEING IMPACT FEES.  THAT'S IT. DIFFICULT ONE TO  GET DONE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT  THAT IS NOT A POSSIBILITY BUT.  >> IT'S DIFFICULT TO. GET A  TEST THAT INSURANCE LIKE THAT.  >> ITS GROWTH IS SUPPOSED TO  PAY FOR GROWTH.  >> AND THE.  >> DRAWBACKS TOO PRIOR  DECISIONS MADE LONG BEFORE ANY  OF US WERE HERE. HAS IMPACTED  WHERE WE ARE  >> AND I DON'T WANT TO. FUTURE  GROWTH. HE'S IN PAIN FOR OUR  FAR OFF OR THOUGHT. MAKING  SENSE. AND IF IF WE CAN USE  LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IF WE ISSUE  DEBT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING  THAT.  >> LAW  >> ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEES OF  THE FUTURE WILL PAY FOR  TOWARDS AT ALL BECAUSE I KNOW  YOU STILL NEED BUILDINGS AND  ALL THAT NOT THE APPEALS AND  ALL THAT STUFF. BUT IF IF WE  USE A PORTION OF WILL PICK  NUMBER 20%. TOWARDS PAIN. THIS  BACK. I THINK IT WOULD GO A  LONG WAY TO SHOW THAT YES  FUTURE GROWTH IS PAYING FOR  THIS. AND I REALLY HOPE IT  WOULD BE EXPLORED.  >> IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE  CAN EXPLORE IT'S NOT GOING TO  BE A HIGH DOLLAR VALUE THAT WE  BE ABLE TO. POINT TO AS FAR AS  YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT  REFLECTING A LITTLE LESS THAN  500,000 THAT'S NOT GOING TO  SUPPORT A LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT  WE CAN CERTAINLY.  >> LOOK BACK AT THAT IF WE  HAVE AN IMPACT FEE STUDY  THAT'S LOOKING AT POSSIBLY  INCREASING THE IMPACT FEES TO  HELP PAY FOR THIS. AND YET IT  >> SO SO EVEN IF WE DOUBLED  THEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A  MILLION DOLLARS FOR A DEBT  SERVICE PAYMENTS. I'M SORRY.  WHAT.  >> YOU KNOW THAT'S WE'VE GOT  COMMUNITY NOW WE MAY ONLY TALK  WE TOLD THEM WE GENERATE  500,000 TO PAY THAT.  >> THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT VERY  MUCH. EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS  US, YOU KNOW THAT'S LOT BETTER  A LITTLE BE TRYING TO SELL  EVERY LITTLE BIT DOES OUT AND  THIS IS THE MESSAGE WE'RE  SENDING TO THE CITIZENS THAT  WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING.  >> TO HELP REDUCE TODAY'S  CITIZENS TO PAY FOR FUTURE  GROWTH MEANS. IT'S ALREADY  PAID THEIR IMPACT THINGS IT'S  NOT THEIR FAULT THAT THOSE  IMPACT FEES WERE MINIMAL. YOU  KNOW AND THEN WE'VE GOT A LOOK  AT THAT TOO.  >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD  ABOUT IMPACT FEES HAS TO DO.  >> WELL THE SINCE THE E E O C  IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE THERE  THAT COULD CROSS THAT  QUESTION.  >> MAYBE NOT.  >> THE OC IS A GENERAL  GOVERNMENT BUILDING. THE  GENERAL GOVERNMENT IMPACT  THINGS BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE OF  GROWTH. AND THOSE FUNDS THAT  ARE STRICTLY FOR.  THE CITY AND THEN THE WEST  VILLAGE'S IMPROVEMENT  DISTRICT. AND THAT MONEY HELP  PAY FOR THE E E O C. BECAUSE.  WHEN I LOOKED AT THE.  DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT FOR  GENERAL IMPACT FEES GENERAL.  GOVERNMENT IMPACT FEES. I  DIDN'T SEE A DISPERSEMENT TO  WEST VILLAGES IMPROVEMENT  DISTRICT FOR THE UPS. THEY'RE  SEPARATED. BUT I DON'T SEE  DISPERSEMENT SPECIFICALLY  GOING TO WEST VILLAGES  IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FOR  EVERYTHING THEY DID OUT THERE.  I MAY MISSED IT SO I I WANT  TO.  >> NO DOUBT THERE LOOK AT IT  AND SEE IF MAYBE  >> SORRY THAT I NEEDED THAT  SEE IF WE CAN USE THOSE  IMPACTED STRICT, YOU KNOW SEE.  JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.  AND. WHEN WE'RE READY I WILL  MAKE MOTION. ABOUT THE IMPACT  FEES.  >> OKAY VICE MAYOR. I THINK  WHAT.  >> OUR FINANCE FOLKS WERE  RETURNED TO WITH REGARD TO  IMPACT ITS ARE IF YOU'RE GOING  TO BORROW MONEY TODAY. YOU  WANT BOND GET ANY KIND DEBT  INSTRUMENT. YOU'VE GOT TO BE  ABLE TO SHOW ABSOLUTELY  ABILITY TO PAY IT AND IMPACT  FEES ARE AN IMPRECISE AND THE  UNKNOWN NUMBER SO YOU SAID IT  VERY GENTLY BUT ADAM YOU'LL  NEVER EVER ISSUE A DEBT  INSTRUMENT THAT'S  COLLATERALIZED BY IMPACT FEES  BECAUSE YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE  BANK IT'S THE SAME THING  EXACTLY AS SAYING WE'RE GOING  COLLATERALIZED OR PAY A BOND  OFFERING WITH. GRANT MONEY  BECAUSE. IT'S NOT A BIRD IN  THE HAND. SO IT'S NOT  REALISTIC AND EARLIER I ASKED.  WHAT NUMBERS ARE WE TALKING  ABOUT PRESIDENT PACK SHE'S OR  SO NEGLIGIBLE AND WHILE I DO.  NOW THAT WE SHOULD ALL REACH  INTO OUR POCKETS AND TAKE ALL  A POCKET CHANGE WE HAVEN'T  CONTRIBUTE TO THIS BUILDING.  THE REALITY IS IT'S A NOT EVEN  A DROP IN THE BUCKET.  >> IT'S IT IT LITERALLY  EVAPORATES BEFORE IT PLANS SO  IT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC BUT  THAT I JUST WANT TO GET THAT  ON THE RECORD BECAUSE IT'S NOT  A VIABLE OPTION YOU CAN'T  BORROW AGAINST LIKE I HOPE TO  GET AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM  WITH IMPACT FEES. A PROBLEM  WITH GRANT MONEY CAN BASED ON  THOSE.  >> IF I'M A COMMISSIONER OR  VICE MAYOR COURSE THANK YOU  VERY MUCH FOR THE BIG FAT RED  CRAYON VERSION.  >> AND SAYING WHAT STAFF DID  NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO I DO  APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE  SOMETIMES THAT'S JUST WHAT IT  TAKES IS TO SPELL IT OUT  INSTEAD OF TRYING TO WIGGLE  AROUND IT, NOBODY UNDERSTANDS  WHAT THE WIGGLE ITS. SO THANK  YOU.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON THAT  JUST A VERY QUICK COMMENT ON  IMPACT FEES. I WOULD BE  SUPPORTIVE OF ANOTHER STUDY  AND SUPPORTIVE OF AN INCREASE  IF IT IS WARRANTED. BUT OUR  CURRENT IMPACT FEES ARE FAIR  IS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP  BETWEEN IMPACT FEES AND THE  LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE  CITY. SO IT'S A BALANCE. SO WE  REALLY NEED TO BE WHERE I  WOULD BE VERY CAUTIONARY OF  AND INCREASING IMPACT FEES IF  WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE  TABLE IS FAIR.  >> AND I JUST DON'T HAVE  QUESTION ABOUT THE FACT THAT.  >> BUT THE QUESTION HERE SAYS  ONE OF ELIGIBLE TO RAISE  EMBRACED AGAIN. AND HOW LONG  WOULD THAT TAKE WE HAVE TO DO  A STUDY YOU HAVE WOULD HAVE TO  GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS  AND THAT WOULD TAKE ALONG BUT  THE FIRST QUESTION, I'M SORRY  CITY ATTORNEY WAS WHEN COULD  THAT BE DONE AGAIN.  >> YES MAYOR SO UNDER THE  STATUTE THE THE CITY MAY  INCREASE IMPACT THESE EVERY 4  YEARS. WE LAST AND PRIEST  IMPACT FEES IN 2022 RIGHT SO  FOLLOWING STATUTE THAT WOULD  BE 2026, HOWEVER, THE STATUTE  ALSO INCLUDES AN EXCEPTION. 4  EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES  AND YOU'VE HEARD SOME  REFERENCE TO THAT TODAY IF THE  CITY CAN PROVE EXTRAORDINARY  CIRCUMSTANCES THEN WE ARE NOT  LIMITED BY THAT TIME FRAME AND  WE'RE ALSO NOT LIMITED BY THE  THE AMOUNT MAXIMUMS THAT ARE  IN THE STATUTE. HOWEVER, THAT  ADDS SOME PROCEDURAL PROCESS.  SO TO ADOPT IMPACT FEES. WE  NEED AN IMPACT FEE STUDY FROM  A IT SHOWS AS. COMMISSIONER  LANGDON REFERENCE AT THE END  THAT THE RATES ARE JUSTIFIED.  WHETHER THOSE ARE HIGHER OR  THE SAME OR LOWER. AND THEN  YOU GO THROUGH THE NORTH THE  ADOPTION ORDINANCE WITH  SPECIAL NOTICE RIGHT IN TIME.  WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT BEFORE  THAT FOR YEARS. BEFORE 2026,  THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO PROVE THE  EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES  AND FOR THAT WE NEED A  SEPARATE STUDY FROM MY  CONSULTANT. THAT'S CONDUCTED  NO MORE THAN 12 MONTHS PRIOR  TO ACTUALLY ADOPTING THE  IMPACT AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE  TO HAVE 2 PUBLIC WORKSHOPS.  THEY'RE FOCUSED ON THOSE  EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES,  NOT ONLY IMPACT THESE  THEMSELVES, BUT JUST ON THE  BASIS OF MOVING OUTSIDE OF THE  STATUTORY PARAMETERS. FOR  THOSE OF YOU THAT THAT WERE ON  THE BOARD THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT  WE DID IN 2020. 2 WE HAD TO  UNDERGO THAT THE REGULAR  PROCESS PLUS THE EXPANDED  PROCESS TO WORK OUTSIDE OF THE  STATUTE SO WOULD BE THAT SAME  PROCESS. SO I GUESS MY  QUESTION CITY MANAGER IS WITH  ALL THAT SAID BY CITY  ATTORNEY.  >> WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD  THAT.  >> IT'S SOME OF THAT WHEN WE  PUT THIS BUT I WOULD NOT.  >> THINK AND NOT THAT'S NOT  SAYING THAT NOT NECESSARY DO,  WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT  THE POLICE AND GETTING THAT.  >> FUND THAT THAT THE BUILDING  WITH AS MUCH AS WE KNOW AND  CAN SORT RESUMING THE COUNT  FOR TODAY RIGHT DOESN'T APPEAR  THAT.  >> EVEN IF WE SAID LET'S LET'S  DO THE STUDIES THAT'S GOING TO  BE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO BE  AVAILABLE FOR WHAT WE NEED  NOW. THIS PROJECT RIGHT OK WAS  THERE IT MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION  I'M READY TO WRAP IT THAT  >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION YOU  PROMISED TO GET US WHERE WE  NEEDED TO BE IN A FEW MOMENTS  I HOMELESS OK ALRIGHT WRAPPING  UP COMMISSIONER SO TO RECAP  HERE. WE HAVE 50 MILLION  DOLLARS IN SURTAX THAT WE  DISCUSSED, YES, WE TALKED  ABOUT 28 MILLION DOLLARS IN  BOND WE TALKED ABOUT 8.6  MILLION DOLLARS IN THE SALE OF  ASSETS.  >> AND WE TALKED ABOUT  7 MILLION DOLLARS TO THE SALE  OF THE CURRENT LOCATION. IT  TAKES YOU TO 93.6 MILLION  DOLLARS.  >> WE HAVE BUILDING ON THAT  RIGHT THAT WOULD PAY FOR THAT  A THAT UNITING 3 MILLION  DOLLARS, LET'S SAY YOU WANT TO  GET 100 MILLION SO THAT'S 7  MORE MILLION IT WITHOUT BE.  GRANT THAT THAT APPROPRIATION  THAT WE BELIEVE WILL COME BUT  NO NO LET'S SAY YOU RAISE YOUR  MONEY 20 TO 30 BOUGHT A NICE  ROUND NUMBERS. IF YOU DID THAT  ALL OF THIS VALUE HOLE YOU  WOULD BE LOOKING AT PAYING.  $51.25 A YEAR. PARTICULAR JUST  A BIT. HE'S MISSED A GUEST. IT  ADDED TO IT HONORS OH LOOK AT  A WHEN THE AIR FOR THAT'S WANT  TO THAT TO 50. I THINK IT WILL  GO. THAT'S THE BALLPARK OF  WHAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING FOR IF  YOU CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO 35  TO MEET THAT. THE FINAL PIECE  OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE  HAVE IT. WE HAVE HAVE OPENED  OURSELVES UP TO THE COMMUNITY  FORT STREET FOR ITS 6TH, YOU  KNOW IT WILL BE IN THIS ROOM  WHERE WE WILL HOST THE  COMMUNITY FOR THEIR QUESTIONS  AND CONCERNS AND CHIEFS ALL OF  US WILL BE HERE TO DO A SMALL  PRESENTATION BUT HEAR FROM  THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE  WHAT WE'RE DOING IN. THINGS  THAT WE MAY HAVE MISSED  BECAUSE PUT EVERYTHING THAT WE  KNOW IT COULD THINK OF IN THE  POT WERE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN  AS YOU CAN CLEARLY TELL THE  FULL FOR MULTIPLE MULTIPLE.  DIFFERENT DIFFERENT AREAS.  VIRTUALLY FOR 06:00PM IN THIS  ROLE IT WOULD ALSO BE LIVE  STREAM SO THAT PEOPLE WHO  CANNOT MAKE IT HERE  PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY. IT'S  SENDING QUESTIONS. SO WE DID  HEAR FROM EVERYONE COULD YOU  KNOW TIME IS SHORT. AND THE  THING SAY IS WE HEARD FROM  FRIENDS OF THE CHAMBER  COMMERCE REGARDING THERE. WE  ARE IN SURTAX LIST. I WOULD  ENCOURAGE BOARD TO EVEN MEET  WITH THEIR BOARD OR THE OR  EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AT THE  VERY LEAST IN ORDER TO HEAR  THEIR CONCERNS IN FOR A  CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE TO OCCUR  TO LET THEM KNOW BECAUSE THEY  SUPPORTED US AND GETTING THAT  SURTAX PAST IT DID HAVE  CERTAIN ITEMS ON THE LIST THAT  WAS MENTIONED WHILE YOU DO  HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO  REARRANGE THOSE AS YOU.  NECESSARY FOR THE CITY IN ITS  BEST INTEREST. IT WOULD BE OF  A GREAT DEAL OF. NEEDED  RESPECT MY OPINION TO MAKE  SURE THAT WE HEAR FROM THEM  DIRECTLY IN THE HEAR FROM YOU  DIRECTLY REGARDING THIS  IMPORTANT CHANGE TO 50 MILLION  DOLLARS WITH THIS PARTICULAR  TAXIS. AND I COLD RIGHT THERE  THERE. ALL RIGHT CAN YOU JUST  REPEAT THAT THE MILLAGE RATE  PART OF IT THAT YOU JUST SET  UPS ARE AS THEY HAVE SO  ANOTHER GREAT YOU CHANGE IT  FROM 28 MILLION DOLLARS TO  35 MILLION YOU'RE GOING FROM A  5.44% MILLAGE RATE INCREASE TO  A 6.8 0%. THE EFFECT ON AS A  100,000 ASSESSED VALUE. IT'S  51 KNOW THAT IT. THAT'S A  YEAR. WITH DAN GOING FOR. 102  $2 OR 2 ABOUT A LITTLE. IT HE  $2 FOR 2 THE 50,000 LITTLE.  JUST FOR SOME SIMPLE QUICK  NUMBERS, OKAY. SO WE HAVE  QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. VICE  MAYOR. CAN WE SPEAK TO.  >> THIS WHOLE PROJECT IN AT  THIS POINT 30 MINUTES LEFT IN  WE'RE GOING TO. IN THIS  PROPOSAL. WELL FIRST OF ALL I  WILL BACK IT UP AND SAY I  122 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT.  >> SUPPORT CUTTING IT. BY ONE  DOLLAR. THIS IS A NOT TO  EXCEED NUMBER IT MAY WELL BE  LESS THAN THAT I APPRECIATE  IT'S AN ALL-IN I BELIEVE THAT  IF OUR POLICE. TO US THIS IS A  POLICE INITIATIVE.  >> AND THEY FEEL AND BELIEVE.  >> AND STAND BEHIND THE FACT  THAT A 102 MILLION 122 MILLION  DOLLARS LEAST NECESSARY TO  PROVIDE THE LEVEL AND QUALITY  OF SERVICE THAT THIS CITY  NEEDS TO STAY SAFE. AND I DO  BELIEVE 50 YEARS IS REASONABLE  BECAUSE 25 YEARS MAY NOT SEEM  VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO  PASS BECAUSE WE'LL PROBABLY BE  DEAD BY THEN BUT THE REALITY  IS IT IS PRETTY SHORT PERIOD  OF TIME. AND IT WON'T BE VERY  LONG WITH THE RATE OF GROWTH  THE CITY IS GOING THAT WE LOOK  AROUND AND SAY WOULD HAVE MADE  THIS DECISION. AND NOW WE NEED  TO GET TO GROW. WHAT WE'VE GOT  SO THAT SOLID ON A 122 MILLION  DOLLAR PROJECT. TO PAY FOR IT  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.  REARRANGING SURTAX TO THE TUNE  OF 50 MILLION. AND WE'RE GOING  TO GO CITIZENS TO ALLOW US TO  BORROW THE MONEY. FOR WHICH WE  ARE GOING TO THEN PAY BACK  50 MILLION THROUGH SURTAX  WE'RE GOING TO ASK CITIZENS TO  BORROW ANOTHER 20 MILLION  DOLLARS FOR WHICH WE'RE GOING  TO RAISE THEIR MILEAGE RATES  AND THE AVERAGE HOME PRICE  ASSESSED VALUE IN THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT SNOW 100 NOT TO  IT'S ALMOST 400,000 SO IT'S A  COUPLE $100 A YEAR BY SAYING  IT'S IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE  THAN 200,000 KNOW IT BUT IT'S  TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU HAS  AN AVERAGE NOT TO MENTION MORE  LITERALLY THE MAJORITY OF ALL  THE NEWER PEOPLE HAVE MOVED  INTO THE CITY OF NORTH PORT  HAVE PROPERTY VALUES THAT ARE  WELL EXCESS OF ASSESSED VALUE  OF A 100 OR 200,000. GOING TO  BE TOO DELIGHTED WITH THIS  WHOLE THING. SO HERE WE ARE.  AND STILL COMING UP RELATIVELY  SHORT FROM 122. WE NEED THIS  BUILDING. WITHOUT A DOUBT AND  WE TALK ABOUT BORROWING ALL  THIS MONEY NOW. PUTTING THE  BURDEN ON OUR RESIDENT  PROPERTY OWNERS AND. RAISING  THE MILLAGE RATE PUTS AN ONUS  ON PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS  CITY. SURTAX IS MORE FAIR,  EVERYBODY PAYS THAT INCLUDING  PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THE  COUNTY LIVE ELSEWHERE IN THE  COUNTY ANYONE WHO CONSUMES  SINCE WE'RE THE LARGEST  POPULATION GROWTH IN THE  COUNTY OTHER THAN THE. SCHOOL  BOARD WE GET THE LARGEST CHUNK  ASSERT ACTUAL SHOULD TEXAS  BEST WAY. THE THROW DOLLARS AT  THIS PROJECT BUT STILL IN ALL  IT COMES UP SHORT AND WE'RE  LOOKING AT SELLING A BUNCH  LAND TO DO IT AND ALL KINDS OF  OTHER GROUPS. I COME BACK TO I  ASKED THE QUESTION WHY CAN'T.  CITY HIRE A COMPANY TO BUILD  THIS FOR US. WE SIT OVER THE  NEXT 30 YEARS 40 YEARS  WHATEVER IT THE ONLY RESPONSE  I GOT BACK WAS WE WOULD NOT  GET THE QUALITY OF PRODUCT.  THAT WE WOULD GET WERE WE TO  BUILD IT OURSELVES. I SAY IT'S  WORTH HIRING A COUPLE EXPERTS  TO SIT ON TOP WHATEVER  CONTRACTORS WE HIRE OR 3RD  PARTY. WE GO TO TO BUILD THIS  TO MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT WE  WANT AND THEN WE PAY LEASE  OVER 30 YEARS WHERE WE DON'T  EVEN HAVE TO GO WE CAN  SIMPLY PAY OUT OVER TIME AT  BUCKETS. OKAY IN AN ORGANIZED  FASHION. AND AS THE GROWTH OF  THE CITY TAKES PLACE AND THE  POPULATION GROWS AND ALL THE  NEW BUSINESSES COME. THEY CAN  ALL PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF  OTHERWISE WE'RE LOOKING TO  BRING 122 MILLION TO THE TABLE  RIGHT AWAY FOR WHICH WILL REST  ON THE BACKS OF ALL OF US NOW  AND SO I SAY IT'S A VIABLE  OPTION. 2. DOING WHAT WORD  WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DAY  LONG. THE ONLY OBJECTION TO  THIS HAS BEEN WE WILL GET THE  QUALITY OF. PROPERTY THAT WE  WOULD EXPECT TO GET IF WE  BUILT IT OURSELVES I SAY  THAT'S A MANAGEMENT ISSUE  THAT'S A SUPERVISORY ISSUE  THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO  WITH THE PROPER EXPERTISE  RIDING HERD ON ANYBODY WE  CONTRACTED WITH TO BUILD IT  AND IT'S A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT  EASIER ALL A HOAX OR LOOKING  TO JUMP THROUGH TO COME UP  WITH A 122 MILLION CAUSE I SEE  WHERE THIS ALL WE'RE GOING TO  JUST A LITTLE AND 22 DOWN TO A  100 OR LESS WE'RE GOING TO  SACRIFICE WHAT WE REALLY NEED  HERE AND WE'RE GOING OUTRAGE  THE CITIZENRY AND THE CITY BY  TELLING THEM WE'RE GOING  CHARGE HIM BETWEEN 5.15%  MILEAGE RATING PLEASE OKAY,  PLUS IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 5  THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE AND IF  WE NEED A MILLAGE RATE TO  OPERATE THE CITY GOING FORWARD  IT'S GOING TO BE ON TOP OF  THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO UPSET  PEOPLE LOOK SHORT TAX MONIES  AND SAID HE SHOULD BE SPENT ON  OTHER THINGS WHEN WE COULD  SIMPLY PAY LEASE AND ALLOW ALL  OUR OPERATING RESOURCES IN ONE  WAY OR ANOTHER TO PAY FOR I  JUST DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE NOT  LOOKING AT THAT OPTION. BUT  AGAIN YOU KNOW WHATEVER THE  WILL OF BOARD WILL BE ITEMS  SOLIDLY BEHIND ON INTO  122 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT WE  SHOULD NOT PENNIES ON THIS WE  SHOULD NOT CHISEL THIS PROJECT  DOWN WHATEVER WE'VE GOT TO DO  WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO GET  THIS DONE. OKAY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL.  >> YEAH.  >> EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M VERY  VISUAL SO I'VE BEEN KEEPING  NOTES HERE. A 122 MILLION  DOLLAR PROJECT AND I AGREE  WITH COMMISSIONER STOPES  THAT'S THE PROJECT WE NEED TO  FOCUS ON BECAUSE FOR ANOTHER  REASON HE DIDN'T ALLUDE TO. WE  START THIS PROJECT IN REMOVING  THIS ARE REMOVING THAT FROM  THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR THE 122.  WE GET OUR 100%. A PROBABLE  COST OF CONSTRUCTION. IT MAY  COME IN HIGHER. YOU DON'T KNOW  100%. WHAT THAT FIGURE IS FOR  CONSTRUCTION. BASED ON A YEAR  OR 2 FROM NOW WITH THOSE  CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS LOOK LIKE  THAT MAY BE THE TIME WE'RE  GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THAT  CANINE BUILDING THAT MIGHT  HAVE TO GO ARE THOSE 85  PARKING SPOTS COVERED THOSE  MAY HAVE TO GO AND SAVE THAT  MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT  INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT. SO I  WOULD NOT WANT TO START  PUTTING THINGS NOW KNOWING  THAT POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE WE  MAY HAVE TO DEPENDING ON THE  COST OF ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION.  SO USING THE 122. WE'RE GOING  TO HELP ME OUT HERE WITH EACH  ONE MAKE SURE I'VE GOT IT  DOWN. 122 IS THE STARTING  POINT WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE A  BOND OR FUTURE SURTAX FOR  15 MILLION SECOR ACT. SO  FUTURE SURTAX IS GOING TO PAY  ABOUT SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO  72 MILLION. AND THEN WE'RE  GOING USE MILLAGE RATE OF  38 MILLION DOLLARS INCREASE  MILEAGE RATE. ACROSS TO PEOPLE  THAT 38 MILLION DOLLARS IN  MILITARY BASES THAT CORRECTED.  >> WITH 35 IS THE LAST MEMBER  USES 28 CLOSE TO 70 NEEDED TO  GET TO A 100 OKAY SO TO GET TO  A 100. OKAY SO 35 FOR MILEAGE.  SO NOW WE'RE.  >> AND WE'RE GOING TO SELL  BUILDINGS 8.6 AND THEN THE  7 MILLION SO WE'RE DOWN TO  ROUGHLY LIKE 20 MILLION  DOLLARS. WE 22 MILLION DOLLARS  EVER GET TO A 100 EXACTLY. SO  WE'RE SHORT 22 MILLION  DOLLARS. DON'T KNOW WHERE  THAT'S GOING TO COME UP. WHERE  WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH  THAT. WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE  SURTAX PROJECT SINCE WE'RE  SHUFFLING THINGS AROUND AND  STARTING SANDY. DON'T SHOOT  ME. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS  THAT WE CAN PROBABLY SHUFFLE  AROUND EVEN MORE. BOGGLES MY  MIND WE'RE GOING TO SELL  PARKLAND BUT THEN IN FUTURE  YEARS WE'RE GOING HAVE  $750,000 TO PURCHASE PARKLAND  THAT DEFIES LOGIC. WE'RE GOING  TO SELL PARKLAND AND THEN  WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE MORE.  TAKE THAT MONEY BECAUSE WE CAN  USE PARK IMPACT FEES TO  PURCHASE OUR PLAN. TAKE THAT  THAT 750. THE CANAL IN CREEK  MASTERPLAN THAT'S ONE 0.5  MILLION DOLLARS. THAT WE CAN  USE FOR THIS BILL. THERE'S.  WATCHES THAT'S ANOTHER 100 AND  I'M SORRY 750. THE WARM  MINERAL SPRINGS MASTER PLAN  IMPLEMENTATION. THAT WAS A  STICKY WICKET BECAUSE WE DON'T  KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO  HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. BUT  500 MILLION DOLLARS IN THE  YEARS 30 TO 34. MAYBE WE CAN  USE HALF OF THAT FOR THIS  BUILDING BECAUSE WE MIGHT. WE  MIGHT HAVE AND OTHER INTO TO  COME IN AND SAY HEY WE'RE  GOING TO TAKE CARE OF  EVERYTHING RELATED TO WHERE  MILLS SPRINGS MET  AUTOMATICALLY FREES NOT ONLY  THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. BUT  IT ALSO FREES UP THE SURTAX  MONEY 5 MILLION  ♪ ♪ AND THESE ARE JUST IDEAS AND  I. THEIRS. THAT MIGHT HELP US  GET TO THAT 22 MILLION DOLLARS  SHORTFALL. I DON'T KNOW HOW  ELSE ARE WE GOING TO GET TO  THAT SHORTLY. AND MAKE THAT UP  SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD  WITH THIS PROJECT. SO. THOSE  ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT  I WANTED TO EXPRESS. COUPLE  QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESIGN  PLAN BASED ON PEOPLE THAT I  HAVE TALKING TO WHAT EXACTLY  IS A VEHICLE UP NEXT WHAT DOES  THAT ENTAIL. I THOUGHT WAS  LEFT TO PEOPLE YEAH THEY'RE  ALREADY AND NOT WORK.  >> THAT THAT'S FOR UPDATING  OUR NEW POLICE CARS AND ARTIST  EMERGENCY VEHICLES WITH THEIR  LIGHTS RADIOS. SO RIGHT  CURRENTLY CONTRACT THAT  SERVICE OUT. IT'S BECOMING  CHALLENGE TO GET OUR VEHICLES,  EMERGENCY OPEN IT. BECAUSE THE  DEMAND IS SO GREAT OUT THERE  THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY  BRING THAT. IN HOUSE TO WHERE  WE CAN SAVE MONEY. AS YOU GUYS  DRIVE TO WORK OR DRIVE OUR  PARKING LOT THEY SEE UP AND  YOUR BRAIN SITTING OUT THERE.  YOU KNOW THOSE ORTIZ THEY'RE  SITTING THERE NOT BEING USED  BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT UPDATED.  THE MAN TO GET VEHICLES UP SO  DIFFICULT THAT OR SERVICE TRY  TO BRING US IN HOUSE TO DO IT  AND SAVE MONEY ALONG JUST TO  TEACH SOMEBODY TO DO THAT KIND  OF THING BECAUSE I'LL BE FREE  COME HAVE ALSO WITH THE CANINE  OFFICE WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY  GOING TO DO THAT THE CANINE  OFFICE COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  GET THROUGH AT SOME OF THESE  THINGS BEFORE THAT SOUNDS LIKE  MORE ON THE DETAILS AND WHERE.  >> I'M THINKING IN MY HEAD  WHEN WISH I HEAR YOU MAYOR,  BUT THESE ARE QUESTIONS THE  CITIZENS HAVE SURE THEY GET  THAT OUT FOCUS IS THE BUILDING  AND THAT WHAT I'M HEARING WE  DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S A  100 MILLION OR ONE 22 SO I  THOUGHT MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE  ONE OF OUR FIRST MOTION SO WE  KNOW UP.  >> WHAT OUR NUMBERS ARE.  >> BEFORE WE START CUTTING  AWAY BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING  AWAY AND NO MASK AND QAEDA OR  TALK ABOUT. BUT WHAT YOU ARE  DETAILS WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW  WHAT WHAT THE BIG PICTURE IS  HERE ON BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S  JUST MY THOUGHTS ANYWAY FOR  THAT. I COMMISSIONER AVERAGE  YOU HAVE GENERAL. QUESTION  ABOUT.  >> NOT I FAVOR THE 122 MILLION  DOLLAR. PROJECT AS WELL LIKE  THAT IT HAS BEEN STATED. IF WE  DO HAVE SHORT FALLS DOWN THE  ROAD DESIGNS DO NEED TO BE  ALTERED THAT'S THE TIME WE  TACKLE THAT, BUT AT LEAST WE  GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR  BUCK. GOING FORWARD LOOKING AT  THAT. THE BIGGEST ASSET OUT  THERE AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST  FROM THERE YOU CAN GO FROM A  LOWER ASSET TRYING ADD THE  LAST MINUTE SO YOU SHOOT FOR  THE MOON SEE WHAT YOU GET.  ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD  LIKE TO SEE TODAY THAT WE  ACCOMPLISH IS TO GIVE  DIRECTION TO BE A MOTIONS TO  MOVE FORWARD WITH A 100%  DESIGN PLAN SO WE CAN START  GETTING SOME OF THAT  INFORMATION ROLLING AND  GETTING IT BACK TO AND ALSO  GET GET WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO  GET OUR. YOU KNOW YOU'RE  MAXIMUM. CONSTRUCTION COSTS.  SOONER RATHER THAN LATER  BECAUSE THE LONGER WE WAIT THE  MORE RISES UP SO THIS IS SORT  OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT  TRYING TO GET THAT WE  >> THAT'S WHY THANK YOU THANK  YOU COMMISSIONER LANGDON HAVE.  >> YEAH JUST I WANT OUR POLICE  TO HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED.  BUT AND AND IF WE CAN FIGURE  OUT A 122 MILLION. LET'S DO A  122 MILLION. WE'RE LOOKING 25  YEARS OUT VERSUS 40 YEARS OUT.  >> AND.  >> MAYBE.  >> PARKING SPACES AND. SHELL  SPACE FOR 25 YEARS IS ENOUGH  TO GET THIS PROJECT THROUGH I  JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE  TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. MY SECOND  COMMENT I THINK WHAT  VICE-MAYOR IS ALLUDING TO IS  WHAT'S TYPICALLY CALLED A  LEASE BACK. YOU HIRE A COMPANY  TO BUILD A PUBLIC BUILDING AND  THEN YOU PAY FOR IT TO A  MONTHLY. ARRANGEMENT. I THINK  FROM A QUALITY BUILDING POINT  OF VIEW THAT COULD BE A  FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAT  AND WHAT WE DID WHILE IN PARK  WHICH WAS TO ASK THE DEVELOPER  TO BUILD THE BUILDING AND THEN  WE PAY BACK OVER TIME THROUGH  IMPACT FEES SO. I THINK AND  I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS  AREA, BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU  GO AT LEAST BACK YOU HAVE MUCH  MORE CONTROL OVER THE  SPECIFICS OF THAT BUILDING. I  THINK IT HAS MERIT TO EVALUATE  THAT AS AN OPTION. AND IT  MIGHT MORE EASILY GET US TO  THE 122 MILLION THAN TRYING TO  TO BOOTSTRAP SO. I'D BE VERY  MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT. I'M  ALSO IN FAVOR OF AN IMPACT FEE  STUDY THAT COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL SUGGESTED AND I THINK  PROBABLY HAVE SOME MOTION FOR  THAT. AGAIN WITH A CAUTION  THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY.  CHARGING IS FAIR AND WE WE  NEED TO BE FAIR THAT'S JUST A  DELICATE BALANCE BETWEEN THE  FUTURE GROWTH OF CITY AND WHAT  WE'RE CHARGING AN IMPACT FEES.  SO THOSE ARE MY FINAL COMMENTS  ALL RIGHT SO DO WE WANT TO  SHOW EMOTION OR.  >> WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO  WHETHER 2022 LOOKING FOR A  MOTION MAKE A MOTION AHEAD.  >> MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE CITY  MANAGER. PROCEED WITH THE  122 MILLION DOLLAR ROSE TO  2065 PLANT. AND I'M GOING TO  STOP THERE JUST TAKE SIMPLE  MOTIONS INSTEAD OF COMMON CASE  MY SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY  THANK YOU.  >> WE HAVE A AFFORD TO GO WITH  THE 122 MILLION DOLLAR.  >> MODEL AND SECONDED BY VICE  MAYOR'S SO ANY FURTHER MOTION  WAS TO TAKE THE GROWTH TO 2065  AS PART OF THAT MUCH RIGHT,  OKAY. ALL RIGHT WELL.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON DIDN'T  TAKE. THERE WE GO THANK YOU.  >> AND THAT IS 4 TO ONE WITH  COMMISSIONER LANGDON VOTING  NO.  >> FOR REASONS OR A STATE ID.  >> I JUST THINK THAT AND  BALANCE WE'RE PUTTING  POTENTIALLY A LOT OF BURDEN ON  THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE  TODAY.  >> 4.  >> CAPACITY 25 YEARS FROM NOW  40 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN I  REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT. THE  CITY WILL BE AND A MUCH BETTER  FINANCIAL POSITION IN 25 YEARS  TO INVEST IN. YOU KNOW IT'S  EXPANDING IT WILL HAVE THE  SPACE FOR EXPANDING PARKING.  EXPANDING JAIL SPACE  EXPANDING. THE FUEL STATIONS  SO. I JUST THINK THE NUMBERS  ARE SO BIG AND THUS THE  STRUGGLE IS REAL TRYING TO  FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE. AND  GOING THAT EXTRA 15 YEARS  COULD VERY WELL BE EXCESSIVE.  FOR TODAY AND MIGHT BE MORE  EASILY 25 YEARS FROM NOW SO.  PAST THANK YOU. WE WANT TO DO  A MOTION ABOUT IMPACT IS NOW  WHILE IT'S FRESH IN OUR I'D  ALSO LIKE TO GIVE GET A  MOTION.  >> TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MANAGER.  GOT TO FIND SHE JUST WANT  COUNTRY. TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY  TO WORK WITH THE ENGINEERING  FIRM. FORESIGHT AND DRAINAGE  CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE  HEADQUARTERS.  >> TO THE 16.  >> WE'RE AT 30. AND WE NEED TO  GET TO 60 YEAR WE MOVED TO GET  TO A 100% OK THANK YOU. I JUST  WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO THE  100%.  >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION  ON TABLE REGARDING SITE PLANS  TO ONE PERCENT CITY CLERK HAVE  DETAIL.  >> DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO  WORK WITH THE ENGINEER FROM  FOR SITE AND DRAINAGE  CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE  HEADQUARTERS TO THE 100%. AND  THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER EMRICH NOTHING  ELSE. LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES  5 TO 0 NOW. SITE PLAN THAT IS  ALSO THE ACTUAL BUILDING IN  THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT  BUILDING AND COME BACK WITH  FINANCING. PERCENT.  >> BUILDING EVERYTHING ELSE  THE SITE PLANS TO JUST THE  SITE TO PUT BUILDING AT THE  PART OF ENTIRE STRUCTURE MEANS  THAT.  >> OKAY SO IT'S NOT JUST THE  DRAINAGE IT'S NOT JUST THE  DRAIN THE BUILDING BUT BUT MY  QUESTION IS MORE SPECIFIC TO  WILL IT COME BACK WITH THE  ESTIMATE OF CONSTRUCTION  COSTS. YES, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR  >> THE BIDDING PROCESS OPEN TO  A GMP GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE  THANK MAGIC NUMBER YOU'RE  LOOKING THAT'S WHAT I WANTED  TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I MADE THE  NEXT MOTION BECAUSE IF IT DID  NOT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WEEK  WE SEE THOSE GM PEAS I WILL  MAKE A MOTION THAT ONCE SITE  PLANS ARE COMPLETE. IT COMES  BACK. I SAW YOUR HAND YES. AND  YOU PUT YOUR EYE ON SIR.  SHOULD SAY SLIGHT DRAINAGE AND  CONSTRUCTION.  >> THE MOTION.  >> SO I WILL MAKE THAT  FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HAVE THE  MOTION BE A SITE PLANS  DRAINAGE AND CONSTRUCTION. IF  THAT'S OKAY WITH THE SECONDER  AND EVERYBODY ELSE CURRENTLY  NO AMENDMENTS. WE DO FRIENDLY  AMENDMENTS. YEAH I STARTED BUT  KIDS HE AND WHATNOT.  >> THIS IS U BOAT. SHE IT.  >> OKAY SOMEBODY IS IT ONLY  NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND I'M NOT  SURE WHOSE IT IS THE FLASHING  START CRAZY  >> I HAVE THE MOTION TO DIRECT  THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH  THEM TO NEAR FROM FOR SITE AND  DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION PLANS  THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU NEED  AMENDED. OKAY BECAUSE THAT'S  NOT CURRENT SHE STARTED A  DIFFERENT MISSION.  >> SO WE MADE A MOTION AND A  PAST YES TO 0. BUT SHE WANTS  TO MAKE SURE THAT THE  CONSTRUCTION WAS INCLUDED IN  THAT MOTION THAT PASSED 5 TO  0. WE NEED TO START OVER THAT.  YES, YOU NEED TO RECONSIDER  THAT MOTION AND WE CASE NO WE  NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER  THE PREVIOUS MOTION.  SO THE  PREVIOUS MOTION THAT WE  APPROVED 5 TO 0. COULD YOU  PLEASE READ THAT BACK. DIRECT  THE CITY MANAGER WORK WITH THE  ENGINEER FROM FOR SITE AND  DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION PLANS  FOR THE HEADQUARTERS TO 100%.  OKAY, SO I DID HAVE  CONSTRUCTION. RAIN A WAY IT  DOESN'T. THE SITE COM A  DRAINAGE COMMENT CONSTRUCTION.  YES, SO THAT WAS WE DON'T NEED  TO DO ANYTHING MORE JUST TO  CLEAR CONSTRUCTION PLANS  TRACTS NOT CONSTRUCTION.  DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION PLANS.  SO THAT'S THE COMMISSION OF  THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS. OR  THE ELC WHAT SENT  HEADQUARTERS. OR WE GET I  BELIEVE SO BUT I'M NOT A 100%  SURE BECAUSE THEY KEEP TALKING  THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT  I IN THE STREET HERE. TO  DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO  WORK WITH THE ENGINEER FROM  FORESIGHT, STRANGE COMMENT AND  CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE  HEADQUARTERS TO 100%.  >> OF PEOPLE.  >> THANK WHAT ALL RIGHT.  >> SO THAT THAT ALREADY DOES  THAT CORRECT AND THAT.  INCLUDES THE GMP. A 100% PLANS  INCLUDES GMP.  >> THE PROJECT UP TO THE POINT  THAT WE CAN THAT AND WE HAVE A  GM AND HAND THAT WE BRING BACK  TO YOU.  >> SO THE NEXT MOTION IS TO  HAVE ONCE THOSE SITE PLANS AT  A 100%. COMPLETED IT COMES  BACK TO COMMISSION. REVIEW  PRIOR TO BID.  >> SO I APOLOGIZE. IT COULD BE  A UNFAMILIAR WAS CAN YOU  REPEAT THAT.  >> THE ESSENCE OF THE MOTION  IS WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR  SITE PLAN AND YOU HAVE YOUR  GMT. BEFORE YOU GO TO  CONSTRUCTION, THIS COMMISSION  BOARD REVIEWS THOSE PLANS AND  THOSE COSTS. SO THAT WAY AND  THEN THERE'S NO SURPRISES.  WANT YOU GUYS GO TO BIT. CASE  THE BIG THINK CASE THE COSTS  COME IN EXTREMELY HIGH OR MUCH  HIGHER THAN THE ONE 22.  >> SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING  TO YES THE BY THE WE ARE  WORKING THROUGH THE REMAINDER  OF DESIGN PERMITTING WE ARE  BRINGING A CONTRACT BACK TO  YOU FOR A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER  CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. AND WE  WILL WORK WITH THAT  CONSTRUCTION WAS TO ENSURE  THAT WE WITH BUDGET YOU WILL  NOT BRING EUGENE YOU KNOW  WE'LL WORK ON THAT AS A TEAM  TO ENSURE THAT DOES NOT  HAPPEN. BIDDING FORTUNE. THAT  WAS THE PART I LET'S GO OUT TO  BID. BEFORE YOU. THE 4 G M P  CORRECT, YES, THE FEEDING  EFFORT ENDS WITH A GM. OKAY,  HERE'S HERE'S MY GOAL OF  MOTION. ALL RIGHT. THIS  COMMISSION WHATEVER CHANGES  HAPPEN DURING YOUR PROCESS  BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE SEE  FOR THE ONE 22 AS WHAT'S IN  THESE MATERIALS. YOU'RE GOING  OUT TO BEGIN ITS SOMETHING  DIFFERENT. I'M TRYING TO MAKE  SURE THE COMMISSION IS AWARE  OF ALL THOSE CHANGES BEFORE  YOU GO OUT ACTUAL BIT. NO I  APOLOGIZE, I WOULD RELY ON THE  OWNER GROUP OF POLICE  DEPARTMENT TO HELP TITLES AND  THOSE PRIORITIES IS A PROJECT  TEAM IT.  >> THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK  TO YOU MULTIPLE TIMES BECAUSE  WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING IN  PLACE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING GO  OUT TO BID UNTIL WHEN WORK  THAT OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO  SEE THIS INCLUDING THE  CONTRACT THAT WILL COME BACK  TO YOU FOR 4 MILLION DOLLARS.  DOES NOT IT IS THE OF MULTIPLE  SO BASICALLY THE NEXT BESIDES  THE FUNDING PART OF IT.  >> PUT THAT ASIDE AND TALKING  ABOUT THE PLANS FOR THE  COMMISSION WILL NOT SEE.  >> ANY OF THE PLANS BEFORE IT  GOES OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION BIT  AND THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT  COMES BACK.  >> THAT SEEMS. THAT'S NOT HOW  WE'VE DONE IT WITH OTHER BIG  PROJECTS THAT'S WHY.  >> MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE  ABLE TO GO OUT TO BID THAT I  WOULD COME BACK TO FOR  APPROVAL.  >> THE CONTRACT FOR BIG YES  BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE  SURE THE COMMISSION SEES. WHAT  IS GOING OUT TO BID SO WE  COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND HOW THE  PROJECT HAS EVOLVED KEEP IT AT  THAT ONE 22.  >> SHE'S GOT COMPUTER.  >> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE  OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT IF  THERE NO WE JUST ASKED THEM TO  COME BACK WITH SITE PLANS AND  ALL THAT WHITE CITY MANAGER.  >> YES SO I BELIEVE THAT THE  CONCERN IS TO MAKE SURE WE  STAY WITHIN THE AMOUNT OF WHAT  IT WHAT YOU ARE I IT WHICH IS  SIMPLE BECAUSE I THINK OVER  JUST SAID THAT SHE WOULD LIKE  THAT THE 2 IS TO SEE IF YOU  MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE PLAN  THAT YOU HAVE SHOWN TODAY AND  THIS BOARD HAS THE CHANCE TO  AUTHORIZE BEFORE YOU GO  FORWARD. THAT'S THE PART THAT  UNUSUAL IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE  WHAT YOU GET THE THE GO AHEAD  FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU  KNOW WE'RE BUILDING WHEN THEY  GO OUT AND THEY BRING YOU  SOMETHING BACK THAT MATCHES  THAT TOO BUT IF YOU WANT TO  SEE ALL THE DETAILS START TO  QUESTION THINGS THAT ARE IN  THE DETAILS ASKED WHERE THE  QUESTIONS BEING ASKED OF CAN  YOU DO THAT RIGHT NOW TODAY. I  JUST ALSO REMEMBER WHEN LIKE  WE WERE DOING THE POOLS.  >> 60% DESIGN PLANS CAME BACK  TO COMMISSION WE WE KIND OF  TWEAK THINGS AND MOVE THINGS  AROUND IN AND DID. SOME THINGS  THAT WERE WE RECOMMENDED AND  THEY RECOMMENDED AND WE KNEW  ALL ALONG AND THEN THE 100%  DESIGN PLANS CAME BACK TO US  AND THEN WENT OUT TO  COMMISSION. I MEAN HOW TO  CONSTRUCTION. SO I JUST.  WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT  WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS GOING TO  BE WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE GET  CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT'S ALL.  I'M NOT SITTING HERE SAYING WE  HAVE TO CRITIQUE EVERY SINGLE  LITTLE CHANGE BUT AT SOME  POINT BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO  BID WE SHOULD SCENE WHAT THE  NEW PLANS AND UPDATED PLANS  ARE. WE'RE ASKING FOR A BUT  THAT IS FOR THEM TO DO AND  ONCE THEY'VE DONE THAT I WOULD  LIKE TO SEE THAT THE BOARD  WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE 100%  PLANS BEFORE THEY START GOING  OUT TO WOULD BE A CHANGE IN  YOUR. NO THE BIG THE FIRST  MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED WOULD  TALKING ABOUT WAS 60% WHAT  WE'RE NOT UP ABOUT 60% NEARLY  100% I WAS I WOULD USE AS AN  EXAMPLE BECAUSE THERE WAS ROOM  FOR. ADJUSTMENTS THAT FEEL.  >> WE JUST LOOK AT ALL OF THE  NORMAL PROCEDURE, BUT BECAUSE  OF THE WINDOWS OF THE  DIFFERENT HAPPY THAT UP  ♪ >> SO THE MOTION THAT I WAS  TRYING TO GET TO WAS  ♪ >> TO HAVE A 100% DESIGN  PLANTS. ONCE THAT IS BEEN  THOSE PLANS COME BACK TO  COMMISSION. BEFORE IT GOES OUT  TO BE IT. BUT YOUR MOTION. I  HAVE A MOTION MADE BY.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. CITY  CLERK. YOU REPEAT THAT JUST  IRONY.  >> TO DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO  BRING BACK THE 100% CITE  DRAINAGE AND CONSTRUCTION  PLANS TO COMMISSION PRIOR TO  GOING OUT FOR A BIT.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK I HAVE A  SECOND. I DON'T HAVE A SECOND  SO THAT MOTION FAST THERE  WE'RE LATE, I KNOW CLOCK ME SO  I WANT DO.  >> BUT WE JUST TO SHOW YOU WE  CONTINUE THIS AND THEN WE'RE  DONE WITH PROCLAMATIONS WE  JUST COME BACK FROM MISSIONS  INTO TO MINUTES AND THEN WE  CAN FINISH EVERYTHING UP. AND  ON THAT MUCH MORE TO NEEDS  THERE'S A COUPLE I'VE GOT  QUESTIONS TO FACT THAT.  >> THEY WANT TO STOP HERE. I  COME BACK PROCLAMATION WHICH  ONE DO YOU THINK WE HAVE TO.  >> ALL RIGHT WE'RE GOING DO A  PAUSE IN THIS MEETING IT'S 4  '04 AND RECONVENE AFTER THE  TRUCK COMMISSION MEETING AND  >> 4 AND WE COME GREAT GETTING  STARTED WAS  >> TODAY TUESDAY MARCH 7TH  2024 IT IS ACTUALLY 4 '07 WE  ARE IN THE CITY CHAMBERS AND I  ALL THE CITY COMMISSION  REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER. ALL  PRESENT WE HAVE TO MISSION  MCDOWELL COMMISSIONER, LANGDON  MYSELF THEY'RE WHITE VICE  MAYOR. STOKES AT AND RICH IS  NOT HERE AS YET BUT WE DO HAVE  A QUORUM.  >> ALSO PRESENT OUR CITY  MANAGER FLETCHER CITY ATTORNEY  SLAYTON SAKE CLERK, OUST.  PLACE SHE FAKED THEIR  ASCENDANCY STILL IN THE ROOM.  >> NO WE  >> THE PLACE.  >> IT.  >> AND FIRE.  >> WE HAVE THE BODY OF  PROVIDERS BACK THERE. I CAN'T  SAY LIKE EARLY  >> THE OUT TEAMS OKAY ALL  RIGHT, SO JUST SPORT, OK  PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE  COMMISSION ALIGNED WITH LATEST  A  >> BE HAPPY I PLEDGE TO FLAG  OF THE UNITED STATES AMERICA  AND TO FOLLOW WHICH IT STANDS  ONE NATION UNDER GOD  INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND  JUSTICE ALL. THANK YOU AND I'M  SORRY OBJECT OFF GUARD THERE,  I'M GOOD MY FEET AND I KNOW  LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF.  >> THE AGENDA SO MOVED. ALL  RIGHT WE HAVE A.  >> A MOTION TO APPROVE THE  AGENDA MADE BY COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL AND SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON THERE'S  NOTHING ELSE LEFT. I AND THAT  PASSES 4 TO 0 PUBLIC COMMENT.  PATRICK.  >> BUT NO MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE  COMMISSION. MY NAME IS RICHARD  PATRICK AND I LIVE IN  NORTHWEST. CHARLOTTE COUNTY.  I'M HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO  INTRODUCE YOU TO. MYSELF AND  TO LULAC IS THE ACRONYM FOR  THE LEAGUE OF UNITED LATIN  AMERICAN CITIZENS, WHICH IS AN  OUTSIDE GROUP. THAT ADVOCATES  ON BEHALF OF LATINOS AND  HISPANICS ALL RACES. HAS BEEN  AROUND SINCE 1929. AND HAS  ADVOCATED ON BEHALF OF  HISPANIC SNOTTY NOSE IN ALL  AREAS OF VOTING RIGHTS CIVIL  RIGHTS. ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT.  OUR COME SO WHICH IS 7 TO 7  SAKES WAS RECENTLY STARTED  HERE. AND WE'RE THE ONLY ONE  AND WITHIN THIS AREA. SO WE'RE  SERVING NOT ONLY CHARLOTTE  COUNTY. A COUNTY. SARASOTA AND  ALL THIS DRONE IT AIRS. I  WANTED TO MAKE MY PARENTS  HERE. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW  THAT CAN BE A PARTNER IN AREAS  OF EDUCATION AND ALL OF THE  OTHER AREAS THAT IN WHICH  ADVOCATES AND A HALF OF  HISPANICS. SO WITH THAT. I  LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ANY  CITY OFFICIALS IN THOSE AREAS  I SEE THAT NORTH PORT HIGH  SCHOOL HAS A SIGNIFICANT  NUMBER OF HISPANIC OR LATINO.  STUDENTS AND IT'S ONE OF THE  PURPOSES OF LITTLE AT ADVOCATE  ON BEHALF LATINOS AND  HISPANICS, WHEREVER THEY ARE.  AND WE FIND OURSELVES. THIS  AREA AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE  TOO TALK TO HIM TO LET YOU  KNOW THAT I'M HERE THANK YOU.  THANK YOU SO MUCH, THANK YOU  >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO.  >> I THINK THERE'S NO ONLINE  PUBLIC COMMENT IS THAT OKAY  MOVING ON TO ITEM 3 WELCOME  NEW EMPLOYEES. CITY MANAGER  THIS IS YOUR ITEM.  >> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR OUR  DIRECTOR OF THIS CHRISTINE  MCDADE IS COMING DOWN TO  INTRODUCED. WE 40'S.  >> GOOD AFTERNOON FOR THE  RECORD CHRISTINE MCDADE HUMAN  RESOURCES DIRECTOR IT'S MY  HONOR TO BE HERE TODAY TO  INTRODUCE SOME OF OUR NEWS  TEAM MEMBERS. WHEN I CALL YOUR  NAME IF YOU PLEASE STAND.  >> THE CITY MANAGER  COMMUNICATIONS WE HAVE JEANNE  DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WHERE  WILL YOU ARE OUT A PLAN OR 3.  >> AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR  AGENCY OUR EMT.  WE HAVE PAY RENT. FIREFIGHTER  EMT.  WAR FIREFIGHTER EMT.  JOHN WE'RE ECONOMY. DIDN'T  JAMES WARREN FIREFIGHTER EMT.  EXACT REASON KEY ARE EITHER  EAT.  SEVERAL WE HAVE THE ARMY'S  RODRIGUEZ.  ♪ CORMIER WELCOME. THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT WE HAVE HEATHER  PUBLIC SAFETY TELE  COMMUNICATOR.  REMEMBER POLICE OFFICER.  MILWAUKEE NETWORK TECHNICIAN.  AND PUBLIC WORKS TRAVON THAT  WAS A WORLD  THINK COULD OPERATE OR 2.  OF KSAT'S ALWAYS EQUIPMENT  OPERATOR.  JUSTIN RICHARDSON SOLID WASTE  MEAN TO IS WHERE THAT A HAS TO  REPAIR REP.  SOON SEE STANCE IT  AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST OUTSIDE  MARISA MCCONNELL PROJECT  MANAGER. OFFICIALLY WELCOME  ALL OF YOU WISH YOU THE BEST  NEW POSITIONS.  >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU I WANT  TO KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER ADAM  RICHES HAS JOINED US THEM THAN  US. MOVING ON TO PROCLAMATIONS  AND RECOGNITIONS WE HAVE A  PROCLAMATION AND THAT WE'RE  GOING COMMISSIONERS TAKE A  WALK DOWN.  ♪ ♪ >> THE YEAH  ♪ ♪ >> ALL RIGHT. WHEREAS THE  FLORIDA GOVERNMENT FINANCE  OFFICERS ASSOCIATION. FOR IS A  PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION  FOUNDED IN 1937. AND SERVES  MORE THAN 3 3300 PROFESSIONALS  FROM STATE COUNTY CITY  GOVERNMENTS SCHOOL DISTRICTS,  COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES,  SPECIAL DISTRICTS AND PRIVATE  FIRMS AND WHEREAS THE FGF  ALWAYS DEDICATED TO BEING YOUR  PROFESSIONAL RESOURCE. BY  PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES TO  EDUCATION NETWORKING  LEADERSHIP AND INFORMATION AND  WHEREAS THIS GOVERNMENT  FINANCE PROFESSIONALS WEEK  SPONSORED BY THE FGF AWAY. AND  ALL OF ITS MEMBER GOVERNMENTAL  ORGANIZATIONS, SO WEEKLONG  SERIES OF ACTIVITIES IN THAT  RECOGNIZING GOVERNMENT FINANCE  PROFESSIONALS AND THE FINAL  SERVICES THEY PROVIDE TO OUR  STATE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND  WHEREAS DURING THIS WEEK.  GOVERNMENT FINANCE  PROFESSIONALS THROUGHOUT THE  STATE OF FLORIDA WILL BE  ACKNOWLEDGED FOR THEIR HARD  WORK DEDICATION AND  LEADERSHIP. NOW THEREFORE WE  THE CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT FLORIDA. WE  HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH 18TH  THROUGH 3/22/2024 AS  GOVERNMENT FINANCE  PROFESSIONALS WEEK.  >> I JUST SAY WE'RE SO  FORTUNATE TO HAVE THIS  TALENTED TEAM IN OUR FINANCE  DEPARTMENT. SO THANK YOU SO  MUCH FOR HONORING THEM AND  THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO  EVERY DAY FROM PORT.  >> THAT'S  ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> WHAT OUR LIVE BLOG.  ♪ ♪ ISSUE GOING ON. IT MAY TRY  >> BUT WE JUST SUSPENDED THE  GOOD. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO  WITH THE MOST OF SHE'S LIKE WE  LOST THE MAYOR. PRESSURE ON  GUYS. PUBLIC COMMENT WE MAY  HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT.  ♪ ♪ AND WE ALL THE NEXT KNOW WE  NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT  WHERE WE ADJOURN THIS REGULAR  MEETING. WAIT.  >> SHE WANTS TO TURN DARK  HARDEN FINISHED UP AFTER HER  COMMENTS.  >> IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC  COMMENT FOR THIS SPECIAL YEAR  FOR THE REGULAR MEETING THEN  WE CAN GO BACK IN THAT SPECIAL  MEETING.  >> AS YOU JUST FALLING APART  WALKING UP.  >> MINUTES.  OKAY YOU 3  MINUTES, YOU'LL SEE OKAY.  >> YESTERDAY I WAS DRIVING ON  SUMTER HEADING TOWARD PRICE.  AND JUST AS I WAS GETTING  CLOSE SOMEONE CAME FROM ACROSS  THE STREET COMING OUT A MAKING  A LEFT NOT PAYING ATTENTION  AND NEARLY KILLED ME. I HAD TO  BE HERE ALL THE WAY OVER  NEARLY ONTO THE GRASS TO GET  AROUND HIM. WAS AN OLDER  GENTLEMAN DRIVING A RED  VEHICLE THAT THIS HAPPENED TO  PREVIOUSLY JUST A FEW WEEKS  AGO.  >> MONTH AND A HALF AGO.  >> COMING OUT OF THE CAR WASH  RIGHT ACROSS FROM THERE.  EYEWITNESS ANOTHER ACCIDENT.  SO AND A BIG TRUCK CAME OUT OF  THAT SAME PLACE MAKING A LEFT  ONTO SUMTER.  AND HIT AN SUV. WITH 2 LADIES  INSIDE. I WAS VERY QUICK TO GO  OVER AND HELP THEM.  >> AND THE ONE LADY WAS VERY  VERY ARE WAITING FOR.  >> AND EMT. I THAT SOMETHING  CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT.  >> I HOPE I DON'T WANT TO IN  THE MIDDLE WITH THE SIGN THAT  SAYS PLACE TO MAKE A LEFT TURN  GOING TO KILL SOMEBODY. THAT'S  WHY I'M HERE OKAY WAS PROBABLY  A MINUTE AND A HALF.  >> HAHA THAT'S PRETTY GET ALL  RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT'S  TERRIBLY DANGEROUS. THANK YOU  MAY WANT TO PICTURE WE BELIEVE  THANK YOU DOING MAKING A  COMMENT.  >> SO THAT IS AND IF THERE'S  NOTHING ELSE. I WILL ADJOURN  THIS MEETING AT 4.21. THEN AT  4.21 I RECONVENE. WHAT MATTER.  THE POINT YOU READY FOR THE  NEXT. JUST GOOD JUST GET AND  WILL START UP WITH OUR. WHEN  WE LEFT OFF FROM MY LAST I  ONLY HAVE ONE OTHER MOTION  THAT I WANTED TO SEE ABOUT  GETTING DONE THIS. PUTTING IT  ON THE TABLE BEFORE I MAKE A  MOTION I JUST HAVE QUICK  QUESTION ABOUT TIME FRAME. IF  WE WERE TO CONDUCT THESE  IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT WOULD  TAKE. BUDGETING PUTTING IT IN  THE BUDGET AND THE CONSULTANT.  THE TIME NECESSARY GO OUT TO  BID THE CONSULTANT TO DO THE  STUDY WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A  YEAR TO 18 MONTHS ON A GOOD  DAY IS THAT A FAIR. TIMELINE.  >> I WOULD THINK THAT'S A GOOD  ESTIMATE THAT OUTSIDE.  >> AND THAT'S ALL PART SO THAT  WOULD PUT US REALLY CLOSE TO  THE TWO-YEAR MARK JUNE OF 26.  SO THAT WE COULD ADOPT NEW.  IMPACT FEES WITHOUT HAVING TO  GO THROUGH THE NEEDS  ASSESSMENT. THAT'S WHAT I'M  TRYING TO AVOID BECAUSE IT'S  GOING TO IT THE ABOUT THAT  SAME LENGTH OF TIME. RIGHT  YEAH, BUT THE  >> AND I THINK JUST JUST TO  MAKE SURE THAT THAT WORK LIKE  INTERESTING TO THE  EXTRAORDINARY SAID THE  SEPARATE PROCESS RIGHT I THINK  I THINK THEY WILL OVERLAP EACH  OTHER.  >> SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO  HAVE CITY MANAGER. START THE  PROCESS OF DOING A NEW IMPACT  FEE STUDY. FOR PARKS.  >> PD.  >> FIRE SOLID WASTE  GOVERNMENT. AND POSSIBLY  TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES.  >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION  ON FLOOR BY COMMISSIONER  >> MCDOWELL REGARDING IMPACT  FEES  >> CITY CLERK IN 2. FOR THE  DETAILS.  >> I'VE GOT THE MOTION RIGHT  TO CONDUCT A NEW IMPACT TO  START THE PROCESS TO CONDUCT A  NEW IMPACT FEE STUDY. OUR  PARKS. LAW ENFORCEMENT FIRE  IMPACT THE SOLID WASTE IMPACT  THESE GENERAL GOVERNMENT  IMPACT FEES AND POSSIBLY  TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES. A  SECOND THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSION.  THANK YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  ON WITHOUT STARTING AND THEN  DID AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY  LANGDON FOR DISCUSSIONS SO  TAKE AWAY. YEAH, YEAH JUST  MORE OF A I WOULD WANT ANY  ROBAR FUND THAT TAKES IMPACT  FEES TO BE INCLUDED. IT'S BEEN  A LONG DAY AT THE TOP OF MY  HEAD HAVE HAVE WE UP MISSED  ANYONE AND THAT MOTION OR DO  WE HAVE ALL OUR IMPACT FEE  FUNDS COVERED. I COVERED ALL 6  OF AS OK THEN I'M GOOD WITH MY  SECOND AND THE REASON AND AS  THE MOTION MAKER THE REASON  WHY PUTIN POSSIBLY  TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES IS  BECAUSE. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK  ON MOBILITY FEES WERE ALSO  TRYING TO GET OUR 100%  TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES  FROM 2011.  >> SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE  ARE IN THAT PROCESS. BUT I  WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DIS  TRANSPORTATION TAKE SHARE OF  >> ATTORNEY.  >> THANK YOU MAYOR, I JUST  WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE BOARD  THAT ARE NOTICED FOR TODAY'S  MEETING YEAH RELATES TO THE  DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION, THE  POLICE STATION HEADQUARTERS  AND THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS  CENTER SO ACTION RELATED TO  IMPACT FEES IN THE CITY. IT'S  NOT COVERED BY OR NOTICE. I  UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO TALK  ABOUT IT TANGENTIALLY THEORY  TO SOME EXTENT BECAUSE IT DOES  YOU KNOW POLICE FUNDING BUT IF  YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS AN ACT  ON GETTING PROCESS STARTED  ANALYZE THE IMPACT THE  CITYWIDE THAT SHOULD BE  PROBABLY NOTICED ON THE  AGENDA.  >> OK THANK'S I ACTUALLY HAD A  QUESTION I BECAUSE WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES WE  CAN DO ALL RIGHT OKAY, IF THE  TAKE THE THAT WE DO TO TAKE  BACK I JUST JUST. IT'S THAT WE  CAN'T DO IT, I WOULD LIKE TO  COMMENT ON THAT THAT  >> I WAS GOING TO ASKED CITY  MANAGER ACTION WAS  APPROPRIATE. AND I APPRECIATE  CITY ATTORNEY COMMENTING  BECAUSE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE  TO DISCUSS THAT SUBJECT HERE  SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH CITY  ATTORNEY FOR ANSWER MY  QUESTION. AND.  >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON I  WITHDRAW MY SECOND JOHN MY  MOTION OK THANK YOU. ALRIGHT,  HOWEVER, IT'S GOING TO STILL  BE ON YOUR AND AND HOW YOU  THAT'S WE COULD PUT IT AT ITEM  ON THE MARCH 26 FOR DISCUSSION  YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOVE TO  PROCEED ACCORDINGLY. OKAY, ALL  RIGHT. SHUNS I HAVE I I THINK  COMMISSIONER LANGDON SHE'S ON  THERE. COMMISSIONER LANGDON  JENNA MOTION.  >> 1, 1, OF THE WRECK AND THAT  WELL I I THINK COMMISSION SO  HAVE A MOTION ON THE BACK BUT  I.  >> ONE DIRECTION THAT CITY  MANAGER WAS HOPING TO GET  TODAY IS ABOUT A FUNDING PLAN.  AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT  MOTION DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO  PREPARE A TO CONTINUE  PREPARING A FUNDING PLAN FOR  THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO  COMPLETE THE SITE DRAINAGE AND  CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR POLICE  HEADQUARTERS NOT TO EXCEED  4 MILLION.  >> TO GET AT. NOW SHE'S JUST  LOOKING THAT DIRECT THE CITY  MANAGER TO PREPARE A FUNDING  PLAN. THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES  TO COMPLETE THE SITE DRAINAGE  IN CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR  POLICE HEADQUARTERS. AT A COST  NOT TO EXCEED 4 MILLION  DOLLARS. SECOND FOR  DISCUSSION. OKAY.  >> WE HAVE A.  >> MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON CITY PARK HAVE THAT.  ALL RIGHT TAKE IT AWAY.  >> THE CITY MANAGER TO  CONTINUE PREPARING FUNDING  PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES  TO COMPLETE DRAINAGE  CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR THE  POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS  AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED  14 MILLION DOLLARS. WAS  GETTING EXTRA MONEY. FOR OKAY  THAT WAS SECONDED BY OK GOT IT  OR DISCUSSION. OCEAN THAT'S MY  WIFE SECONDED IT FOR  DISCUSSION BECOME A OCEAN I I  BELIEVE IT CAUSE. THIS IS THE  DISCUSSION I THOUGHT THAT MY  MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED THAT  WE HAD KIND OF A GENERAL  DEBATE ABOUT INCLUDED SITE  PLANS DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION  PLANS TO A 100%. COVERED ALL  OF THAT BUT BECAUSE FOR  >> MANAGER COULD YOU CLARIFY  DID WE COVER THAT ALREADY TIER  NEEDS.  >> I I DON'T REMEMBER IN A  MOTION. I CONVERSATIONS ABOUT  BUT STOMACH MADE THE MOTION  LIKE TURNING THE AND  CONVERSATION WAS UP TO THEM  ARE IN MOTION COULD BE LIVE IN  SUCH THING.  >> WANT TO HEAR MUCH A  DIFFERENCE WHERE IS THE  FUNDING 4 MILLION IS NOT  CURRENTLY FUNDED. SO I I THINK  MAYBE YOU'RE ASKING THAT WE  BRING BACK HOW WE PROPOSED ON  THAT FUNDING PLAN. YES,  >> ON PLAN INCLUDED EVERYTHING  THAT'S INCLUDED WITH THE GMP.  >> AND THE SITE PLAN AND THE  CONSTRUCTION PLANS IN DRAINAGE  PLANS.  >> THE PREVIOUS MOTION WAS TO  INITIATE USED IT TOO TO THE  AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT TO  CONTINUE DESIGN. THIS IS YEAH.  >> OCEAN AND IS NOT CLEAR THAT  IT'S FOR FUNDING THE DEAD.  >> NO IT WASN'T A COMPLETE THE  DESIGN.  >> OF THE SITE DRAINAGE  CONSTRUCTION WAS TO NEGOTIATE  THE FEES THIS IS TO FINANCE  RIGHT YET.  >> ONLY TO FUND THE CONSULTING  BUSINESS YET 4 MILLION  DOLLARS. TO SEE. IT'S THAT  WE'RE FUNDING WITHOUT A NEW  DIRECTION. MOTION. IT'S  SOMETHING DIFFERENT WELL A  FUNDING PLAN BY WE'VE GOT YOU  WANT ME TO REPAY TO I'D LIKE  YOU TO RESTATE IT.  >> BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF. THAT  SAME WHAT WE JUST TALKED  ABOUT.  >> WE HAVE A FIRST AND SECOND  DO YOU WANT TO PROPOSE AN  AMENDMENT. BUT YOU WANT TO  HEAR YOU WANT TO HEAR IT  AGAIN. SAY WHAT THEY'RE THAT.  >> THE DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER  TO CONTINUE PREPARING A  FUNDING PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL  SERVICES TO COMPLETE THE SITE  DRAINAGE AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN  FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT  HEADQUARTERS AT A COST NOT TO  EXCEED 4 MILLION DOLLARS.  >> THAT PART WASN'T YOUR  ORIGINAL MOTION LET'S FOE. I  HOPE THAT HAS YEARS.  ♪ ♪ TAKES A VILLAGE  ♪ NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT. YOU WANT  TO TOUCH I THINK WHAT TRY TO I  DON'T.  >> I THINK IT.  >> ALL RIGHT THAT PASSES 5 TO  0. REGARDING THE FUNDING PLAN.  AND THE OTHER MOTIONS WE WERE  TALKING ABOUT NEEDED TO  MOTIONS THAT'S RIGHT YOU WERE  TALKING ABOUT  >> QUESTION FIRST FOR CITY  MANAGER ARE WE LOOKING TO MAKE  ANY MOTIONS REGARDING SHORTS  TODAY. SOURCES. YEAH ANY  MOTIONS ON FUNDING SOURCES  WHETHER OR NOT WE SUPPORT ANY  PARTICULAR FUNDING SOURCES.  THAT'S LATER YEAH, WHAT WE'VE  BEEN USED MY CAREER WE KNEW  SOMETHING OFFICIAL.  >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU DO  IT. WE WERE THESE ARE THE  IDEAS OF THE TEAM THAT HAVE  COME UP TO US AND BASICALLY  YOUR FEEDBACK GO BACK AND  TWEAK IN THE BACK SOME MORE  OFFICIAL OPERATION AND I JUST  HAVE 2 MOTIONS. ONE MOTION  WOULD BE  >> I GUESS CITY MANAGER CITY  CLERK TO SET UP A MEETING WITH  CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BOARD AND  OUR COMMISSION TO SOLICIT  INPUT. WITH REGARD TO THIS.  POLICE HEADQUARTERS PROJECT. I  BELIEVE THERE ARE MAJOR  STAKEHOLDER IN OUR CITY. WE  SHOULD HEAR FROM THEM AND SOME  FORMAL SAID SO THAT'S MY  MOTION.  >> ANYBODY IS GOING SECOND  AGAIN FOR DISCUSSION.  >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION  MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOKES AND  CITY CLERK YOU REPEAT THAT  MOVING OUT HOW JUST ADDED TO  THE DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER  AND CITY PARK TO SET UP A  MEETING WITH THE CHAMBER OF  COMMERCE AND THE COMMISSION TO  SOLICIT INPUT REGARDING POLICE  DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS AND  THAT WAS SECONDED BY.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL FOR  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL THAT YOU  WANT TO YEAH I JUST HAVE  CLARITY IS THIS A ONE-ON-ONE  TYPE MEETING OR IS AGENDA ITEM  TO MEETING. FOR CITY MANAGER.  >> IN MY VISION IS A MEETING  WHERE YOU AS A BOARD WEEKS  WITH HIM AS A BOARD. NOW THAT  WOULD BE A CHANGES.  >> INDIVIDUALLY COLLECTIVELY  OR TO A BOARD I THINK YOU. AND  YOU WOULD EVEN BE INTO 44 OR  WARNING CENTER SOMEWHERE NOT  APPEARED. APPEARED TO THEM  DOWN THERE. THAT WOULD ALLOW  YOU TO HAVE A.  >> ROUNDTABLE COMES AND RUN  AND I WOULD ADD TO LOGIC AND  RATIONALE BEHIND THIS ASKED IS  THAT. CHAMBER IS CONCERNED  THAT CHAMBER HAS SUPPORTED THE  SURTAX THAT WAS REFERENDUM  THAT WAS PASSED PAST SEASON.  AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE  SOME INPUT WITH REGARD TO  FUNDING SOURCES TAPPING THE  BENEFIT OF LISTEN TO THIS  MEETING IN THE PRIOR MEETING.  THEY SHE'LL AT SOME POINT  PRIOR TO US MAKING DECISIONS  ON FUNDING SOURCES THEY WOULD  LIKE TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT  PERSPECTIVE SUGGESTIONS. IT  CARRY ON.  >> JUST BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD  THE CHAMBER DOESN'T MEAN  THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE. WHAT IS  WITH COMMUNITY OR WEST BANK  HOMES AND THEY WANT TO SAY  SOMETHING SO THEY MAY WANT  TAKE WELL IT WILL HAVE CHAIR  MAY BE AT THE TABLE TO THE  OTHERS CAN SORT OF JUMP IN IF  THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE A CASUAL  A LOT.  >> ALL RIGHT LET'S VOTE ON THE  MOTION TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING  BETWEEN CITY MANAGER CLERK AND  THIS COMMISSION AND THE  CHAMBER.  A GO. AND THAT PASSES  5 TO 0.  >> I GO ONE MORE MOTION TIME  AND THAT'S MOTION TO INSTRUCT  SEE WHAT KIND APPETITE WE HAVE  THIS MOTION TO INSTRUCT CITY  MANAGER THE TO LOOK INTO.  >> THE.  >> ALTERNATIVE OPTION OF WE  SPIED THAT OPTION ON THIS. A  POLICE PROJECT.  >> AS A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE  TOOK ON THE OUT BUILDING IT  OURSELVES. I'LL SECOND FOR  DISCUSSION.  >> ALL RIGHT SO VICE MAYOR  MADE A MOTION CITY MANAGER AND  STAFF TO THE ALTERNATE OPTION  OF DOING WHAT HE'S REFERRING  TO AT LEAST BY BACK.  >> CONSTRUCTION OF THEY SAID  OF COURSE THAT WAS SECONDED BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  COMMISSIONER WANT TO SPEAK TO  THAT I DID GO AHEAD. SO.  >> WHEN YOU'RE SAYING FOR THE  CITY MANAGER TO ADVISE IS E  COMMISSION MEETING IS THAT BY  MEMO IS THAT. I'M LOOKING FOR  LITTLE CLARITY ON WHAT YOUR  EXPECTATIONS  >> WHAT I THOUGHT WAS IS TO  STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT IT  CONSOLE WITH. POLICE  DEPARTMENT AGAIN TO COME BACK  WITH A RECOMMENDATION AT ALL  OR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING  THAT THIS PROJECT IS COMING UP  ON WHAT I BELIEVE THIS. LAST  WEEK IN THE MONTHS I CORRECT  AND GIVE US AGAINST HIM PUT ON  IT BECAUSE AS TO WHAT STAFF'S  RECOMMENDATIONS ARE  RECOMMENDATIONS ARE POLICE  DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATIONS  LEGAL RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT  WE CAN WE LEAST TRY TO  ASCERTAIN WHETHER IT'S A  VIABLE OPTION FOR US AND  WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE OF WHAT  SOME OF THE DOWNSIDES MAYBE TO  WHAT OR SOME OF THE PROS, YOU  KNOW PROS OR CONS THAT WAS  REALLY MY LOGIC IT DOES  REPRESENT ALTERNATIVE. THERE  MAY WELL PAY REASONS WHY IT'S  NOT GOOD ALTERNATIVE. BUT I  LIKE THEY'RE FROM ALL OUR  SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. DID  YOU OR WE GO AND SIDE WE'RE  GOING TO GO BOND YOU LIKE TO  CLARIFY YOUR MOTION TO REFLECT  THAT TO ADD IN ABOUT THE  RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE  COMMISSION MEETING.  >> I DON'T KNOW CMU KIND OF  GOT LIKE JUST A OK, IT'S ALL I  MEAN YOU KNOW WHERE HEADED  WITH ITS LARGEST WOULD ASSUME.  WE GOT IT GOT IT THAT AND  WE'VE MUCH SNOW. IT  COMMISSIONER MUCH.  >> YEAH I GOT APPETITE FOR  THIS YOU HAD ME FOR WHAT THE  CHAMBER, SO I JUST DON'T  BELIEVE IN THE LEAST BACK  PROGRAM AT ALL I THINK IT'S  ALWAYS BETTER TO OWN THIS WAY  ARE INVESTING INTO YOURSELF  RATHER THAN LEASING INTO  SOMEBODY ELSE'S POCKET. I DO  BELIEVE IN THE SUB GREAT  CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S A VERY  GOOD POSSIBILITY BECAUSE IF  THEY DON'T THEY'RE GOING TO  OUT TO THE CHEAPEST  INDIVIDUALS TO SO I DON'T  FORESEE IT. AND A VIABLE  ASPECT AND EVEN TO TAKE THE  TIME TO LOOK INTO IT TAKES  AWAY OUR STAFF TIME FROM ALL  THESE OTHER MAJOR WE'VE GOT  MORE AND I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT  IT. I'M SORRY.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, HOW  MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK IT'S  GOING TO TAKE CITY YOU KNOW WE  TALKING LIKE 40 HOURS ARE WE  TALKING 2 I KNOW IT'S  RELATIVELY A NEW SUBJECT SO  MAYBE IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME,  I'M ALL ABOUT GETTING  INFORMATION BUT IF IT IS GOING  TO BE A TIME-CONSUMING  ENDEAVOR.  >> I THINK WE DIDN'T DO IT IN  RELATIVELY SHORT AMOUNT OF  TIME. I'VE ALREADY BEEN  EXPLORING WITH PARTICULAR  COUNCIL REGARDING THE WAY THEY  PHRASE IT THE PUBLIC PRIVATE  PARTNERSHIP, BUT YOU KNOW WE  DON'T HEAR THAT THAT'S THAT'S  HOW I GOT THE DON'T SAY WHERE  THEY WILL BUILD A LEASE AND  THEN THE QUESTION IS ARE THOSE  CAPITAL LEASE DEBT.  >> WE'RE NOT INTO YOU GET THE  BAR FOR NOT AND I'M BEING TOLD  IS NOT THAT DEBT. OUR PUT HIS  TEAM MIGHT A DIFFERENT OPINION  WOULD BE BUT WE NEED WE NEED.  WE DIDN'T SORT GET THOSE 2  VIEWS THAT ALIGN IT YET. BUT  WE HAVE BEEN TALKING THAT  PATHWAY BECAUSE IF THERE'S A  WAY TO GET THAT DID IT IN THAT  WAY AND TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR  WITHOUT ACTUALLY GOING OUT  BORROWING DEBT. WE THOUGHT  THAT WAS A GOOD POSSIBILITY,  BUT I THINK THE DEFECTOR HAS A  COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL AND WE  WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO  WHETHER WOULD USE OR TAX FOR  THAT.  >> BUT  >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE WRITE  OTHERWISE YOU GET USER TO  ACTUALLY BE LOOKING SOMETHING  OUT OF THE OPERATING THE  BUDGET TO COVER THE PAIN SO.  ♪ >> IF I CAN I WILL SUPPORT THE  MOTION. GET THE INFORMATION  CLOSE THAT DOOR OPEN THAT  DOOR. I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE IT  IF IT'S GOING TO BE EASY  PROCESS THAT WILL GET THE  INFORMATION THE REASON.  >> AND PART OF REASON WHY I I  WAS HOPING WE COULD WE COULD  LEAST OPTION. IT'S BECAUSE WE  ARE GOING POSITION OURSELVES  TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND  MAKE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ASK  AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL I  THINK FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT.  >> IF THIS IS EVEN AN OPTION  OPTIONS AND IT'S NOT OPTION.  IT GIVES IT A LITTLE MORE  PRESSURE ON THE CITIZENS TO  IT'S FISH OR CUT BAIT. WE NEED  THIS IF YOU BELIEVE IN THIS IS  THE ONLY AVENUE TO GET IT  DONE. AND IF THE OTHER REASON  OPTION WILL THAT THAT MAY BE A  VIABLE OPTION SO I'M HOPING  EVERYONE IN THE CITY IS GOING  TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT ONE  WHERE THE OTHER I JUST WANT TO  SEE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO  PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION  AND  ♪ OPTIONS AVAILABLE. BEFORE WE  OUR CITIZENS TO MAKE THIS KIND  OF DECISION.  >> RIGHT YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO  SAID COME BACK WHAT IS  INVOLVED WHETHER IT BE  CLASSIFIED THE DEBT.  >> WE'RE NOT ALL THAT.  >> GOOD AT DOING FIGURE OUT I  WANT TO SEEK SOME OUTSIDE  ADVICE ON THAT AS WELL ALL  RIGHT. I WILL NOT THING OUT  BUT  AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0  THINK HE GOT ME FISH YOUR DO  THAT WOULD  >> THE ONLY MOTIONS WE HAVE  ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THAT THAT  I HAD QUESTION MANAGER DO YOU  STILL NEED DIRECTION FOR THE  REFERENDUM PROCESS ARE YOU  STILL LOOKING FOR THAT  DIRECTION.  >> I NEED DIRECTION BUT I  DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE  PROPER PLACE TO GET WE HAVE  PROPERLY NOTICED IT WELL  ENOUGH TO HAVE A GOING TO WORK  >> AND WHAT WAS YET ANOTHER  ONE I. YOU KNOW I I WANT JUST  ONE IT SAYS ON THIS LIST THAT  YEAR DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER  TO PREPARE A FUNDING PLAN FOR  THE REMAINDER OF THE SO WE WE  KIND OF THAT.  >> KTVU IDEAS ARE YOU GOING TO  TAKE ALL THOSE IDEAS. PACKAGE  IT UP WITH OPENING BELL BRING  IT BACK TO US IT'S JUST WHAT  GOTTA DO WANT STILL PART OF  THE PROCESS OF WHAT WE DO TO  BRING THAT BACK WE'RE GOING TO  GET BACK INTO YOU SOMETHING  YOU THAT YOU ALL WITH THAT WE  CAN TO FORWARD OR STOP WHAT  ARE OTHER.  >> I.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER IT'S JUST  SENT THE SECOND TO LAST  BULLETED ITEMS TO DIRECT HIM  TO DO  >> JUST AS WE CLOSE OUT I WANT  THANK THE TEAM OUT HERE YOU  GUYS. THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT  WORK TO GET US TO THIS POINT.  STILL GOING THROUGH IT. THANKS  FOR HANGING IN GREAT TO HAVE  YOU WITH ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS  THANK YOU.  >> ALL RIGHT DO WE HAVE ANY  FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY.  >> SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IT  IS 4.44 IN NIGER IN THIS KNOW.