--------- And I have to leave for Texas on the 4th to go help my mother-in-law move. So, >> where is she going? >> She's moving up here. >> Oh, really? From Texas? >> Yeah. >> By choice? >> No, my father-in-law passed away. And so, she's down there. They've got a place down there. They've got a place in
uh Wisconsin. And so, uh she's selling the house. Let's start. Roll call, please. >> Council member Nordby, >> here. >> Council member Woods, >> here. >> Council member McKenzie, >> here. >> Council member Schwar, >> here. >> Mayor Mongi, >> here. Thank you very much. Motion adopt
the agenda, please. >> I'll move. >> So move. Council member Schwar. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. Thank you. >> Oops. All right. >> Come on. We got to roll here. >> Chop chop.
>> All right. So, our agenda for the evening, we have one topic, which was the is the history cruisers car show discussion. Unfortunately, um I did receive a phone call that uh they were not going to be able to make it this evening. So, but we wanted to uh continue with the conversation and this
is for the public's review. Um, I kind of want to start off with um, they were there were some alarming things in my opinion that were being put on their website and um, I went to their car show meeting last week and just asked them what the issues were that it you know
how can we work through this u, what are the issues um, that two items that were brought up to me uh, were were just not true. Um, >> we talked about it. So, one item he had said that uh he had reached out to me a dozen times and I had not gotten back to
him once uh through email. So, I uh went down and I have every communication on my computer and uh looked there. He contacted me once in 2025 and it was about Veterans Park, not the car show. Um though we did have conversation on
the telephone and we did have um a conversation a couple times at the front desk when he was coming in. But uh so pointing the finger at that just wasn't appropriate and told him I didn't appreciate it. Uh the other item was he had they had expressed that uh we had
made them change their insurance um which is not the case. Um that was a decision that they made due to um an issue that happened and came up every year that uh they came in at the beginning of the year to pull their special event permit. Um but their
insurance only brought them up to May and by the time their first uh event happened, which was in June, their insurance was expired. So they just had to uh um call down to their insurance agent and uh send us over a form that just says that uh that will happen at
that point. and it won't have been an issue. Um, but every year it seemed to be an issue and uh he did change it but u he was claiming that we said that he had to do that and that is not the case. He was not told that by anybody at the
city that they had to do that. Um he didn't have any other issues at the time. Um but I think we kind of sell that. I mean we had good relations. It was a good talk. Uh Bob was there and uh uh moving forward uh we just needed to
talk about them and them making their change to going every other week on the car show. This has been brought up, you know, a couple times over the years. Um issues that they brought up, of course, is they have members that are in their 70s and 80s. It's a little bit harder
for them to get around and um take care of the things that need to get taken care of for the show. Um they also h seem to have issues with uh people being decent down at the car show which is unfortunate. Um you know they they have the rules that they have set aside. Um
they're the ones that pulled the permit for the road closure and have their car show and they try to um put those rules in place and unfortunately it's usually met with obscenities and uh why don't you make me do that? Um, so there were
issues that uh they were looking at potentially, you know, wanting more security down there or more officers, but it also come down to trying to pay for that. Um, none of that stuff is inexpensive. Um, so we did talk through all those issues. Uh, they did their
final decision was made uh that it will be every other Friday. There wasn't any talking to them about it. They just wanted to go that route. So, at this point, we are looking at what other options might be available for us. Um, nothing set in stone yet, but we were um
making headway talking to other places that uh may be able to pick up the other Fridays. Um, see what we can do. Anyway, um, but more information to come on that. We just wanted to have that discussion. I know that we met with them and the bars and I mean, the city backs
the car show strongly. They uh, it brings in a lot of business. it brings in uh people to our town. It's a nice family event. >> Uh so it's really unfortunate that it's come down to this. I mean, and even their members said, Bob said that, you know, this won't go on forever. People
are getting older and they just can't handle that. It's just become harder and harder to stay on top of things. Um that was kind of the justified. Um, they also said that uh they'll kind of see how this year goes on whether or not they want to maybe would they pick it
up, go back to doing every week or is it going to be a year that uh just becomes with more struggles and they just want to end it. So that was coming from the car show. Um we were hoping to have that feedback from them but um unfortunately this didn't work out to come in this
evening and uh that was kind of the communications that we had but I going to turn it over to council and any input that you want to have and your feelings on the car show and where we can things that we can do um what your thoughts are.
My impression is just that uh uh like you said, the uh group, the History Cruisers core group is getting older. And I I get it. They're getting to the point where they don't want to continue, may not want to
continue to run this show and run into all the hassles that they're getting. And this is a way they've already made the they had already made the decision to uh pair it back to every other weekend. It wasn't a we want to pair it back to every other weekend unless you know you guys have feedback or anything.
It there was no uh opportunity for discussion. It was they had already made that decision. So to me it seems like it's you know their just way of kind of phasing it out on their terms. So
>> I agree. We um I was there and so was um Troy um Council Member Woods. He was on the arts and culture which is a great fit for what we do on Friday nights. So he was with us as well just to kind of understand where things were. Um thanked him for for the years of the car show. I
mean it was something where it was going to mean that the bars um were there the um of course they're business owners. There's a situation. It's like okay well this we're not going to change their mind. What do we do? So they're open to ideas. They were open to, you know, talk
about different things we can do. So that was good that, you know, there's there's an issue. Let's try to try to figure this out. So I was very happy that um everybody was willing to do that. Secession is what I was kind of hoping, but it sounds like they they're not going to pass it down to anything
else. So it sounds like like council member Wood said, they're they're probably over the years just going to be fading it out. But uh so it was it was a good conversation with the different things maybe a different style car show with maybe some newer cars farm you know some some different things we were
talking about maybe we can do markets or things like that too. So, it was uh it was good going back and forth and um it was a situation that we all kind of got thrown at here when we read the email at the end of the year, but people are having ideas to try to see we want to
continue Friday nights with family and the bar stressed that the most out of all of it. We want to have a good familyfriendly environment, music and doing things that we've been doing. You know, how can we do that? So, and that's where some ideas are being looked at and
people are looking into it. So, >> okay. I guess then what I would maybe say is what them guys going to every other week, how can our council help them address some of the issues that they
have once the street is closed or at 5:00 when the cars are supposed to show up to eliminate the issues of cars parking at 1:00 in the afternoon and either leaving them there with the dummy car
or with their classic car, whether it's faced in or backed in, because they really would prefer to have these guys all face them in as the way the traffic flows. That's one of their issues that they're having.
And that is probably one of the toughest parts of trying to get these enthusiasts that come in early to understand that
they have rules and regulations, but they tell the car show folks, "What are you going to do about it?" >> Right. I would say, >> and that's the worst thing. >> Sorry, I didn't mean to. >> That's right. I would say that, you know, downtown area for North St. Paul is it's a downtown. There's businesses
there. You can't close it off at noon. Oh, no. To prevent cars from coming in. >> Um, so in terms of preventing the cars coming in and parking at 1:00, >> I would say, not that there's nothing we can do, but there's not much we can do.
I mean, you know, it's a, you know, if they're coming in to do business, if they're happen to be there all day, there's nothing, you know, we want to come in and do business, >> but there's a two-hour parking limit. >> Um, and you know, we put a lot on our uh
police department already. I know. So I know Chief Rosales was already there was at the meeting the other night as well and he presented a few options in terms of >> the scenario that they presented at the meeting was not so much that but more so when they have the barricades up, people
bypassing the barricades, yelling at the volunteers coming by and going down the street anyway because they want to get to whatever business. >> Um and Ros, uh Chief Rosales came up with a couple of options to prevent that. Um, we looked at, you know, camera
options. I know, uh, the history cruisers talked about buying some or and I think they've already purchased them a couple of, uh, webcams that they're planning to put up to capture information like plate numbers and things like that. Um, so I think there's
plans to put measures in place um, as much as we can >> um, without negatively impacting our uh, residents and the businesses downtown. So, and our police force as well. You know, there's, you know, again, stretched
thin. So, >> so I have a few things. Um, and I've taken some notes. I question regarding Bob because we've worked with Bob and Bruce quite a bit. In Bob's eyes, does he think it's easy to work with the city?
>> He didn't have an issue with the city. I talked with him a couple times over the weekend even. So, yeah. >> Okay. because his Facebook post or was it Bruce's Facebook post indicated that we had issue he had in the car show had issues working with the city. So I just wanted clarification in regards to that
and has I know that um I've discussed with a couple business owners downtown that they're some of them are aware of the car show going every other Friday. Have we talked and reached out to any of the business association members to see
what we can do or how they can assist us with filling in those additional Fridays. >> We've taken steps to reach out to some places. Uh that is going to be one of them. Um at this point it would just be calling contacting maybe board members
as opposed to being at the meeting. But uh yeah, there's intention to do. >> Okay. >> Both the bars and the city talked about the business association. both the bars and the city >> during the meeting talked about reaching out to the business association as far as having them be able to help.
>> Okay. Um and then regarding the other entities, are you looking at are we working with other car show groups and have we who are we reaching out to? >> Well, I don't know that they're willing to put that out there yet, but there are
several groups. We have at least four different ones that we're looking at right now. Okay. >> Um and some have um shown interest. >> Okay. Have we explored It's known I mean we've had this for how
long have we explored as a city uh to find volunteers um to possibly fill in those Saturdays as some of us would be working it. I do know that there have been um regulars that have offered to volunteer with the
history cruisers and they have never received feedback back saying that uh from Bob or any I think Bob and Bruce that they haven't heard back from those individuals have not heard back from them about volunteering. So I don't I'm
just throwing it out there as an option. Have we just thought about maybe taking some of those Fridays cuz these people are going to show up with their cars? They already do. >> Um, have we considered or do we want to
consider what that may look like? >> I talked to Bob at their uh meeting about that because they said uh you know, it sounds like since you've put this information out that you've had many people that have actually stepped up to say if you need help with the volunteering that'd be great. Um Bob's
response to me was, you know, they think they have the um volunteering covered with what they need. Um that's not as big of an issue as finding the right people and the people that can do the job, but he said that their needs right now are being covered. Um and
that's the way he left it that he wasn't um actually looking for others at this point um due to trying to find the right people. >> And that's kind of the impression that we got when we met with the bar owners. uh as well. We talked about the volunteerism and um the opportunity for
people to to step up and volunteer and they kind of downplayed the volunteer issue at that meeting as well. So um yeah, that was the main gist of their Facebook post was right >> volunteers getting and we don't have
volunteers now all our volunteers are older and things like that. Um they don't have any, you know, we talked about do they have younger members that they could, you know, bring up and have, you know, have, you know, either take it over or step up and volunteer more or
things like that. And like, uh, city manager Fandle said, they kind of downplayed the volunteer issue altogether and focus more on the security issue. I mean, I get the security issue, but we
weren't fully obviously we weren't fully staffed last year to right >> be to have any presence. We needed police out on I mean, chief knows that. I mean, we just even the fire department couldn't be out there
>> that much. So, that's the main that's their main issue is essentially the security piece. And they would make comparisons to, you know, once upon a time that, you know, we used to have a lot of reserves here at one time, too. Um, but once upon a time, too, we'd have
one open position. We get over 100 applicants for an officer. >> Those days are long gone. We we just don't have it's not what the way it used to be. >> So, it's a lot harder. And >> part of it, too, is they said, if the person doesn't have a badge, nobody pays attention. So, no matter how many yellow shirts you got out there,
>> right, >> they're still like, screw you. We're not going to do what you say. >> Yeah. I guess you know in in a nutshell the fact that they're wavering so much on what they put out there publicly and what they're saying
>> kind of in private not private meetings but in you know smaller meetings is so vastly different. >> That's kind of what leads me to believe that they're just this is their way of kind of stepping out of the picture. you know, kind of stepping aside and, you
know, phasing out the car show from their perspective. So, >> so I guess on that end, how do we as a city work to keep the car show? I mean, I think it's we should start exercising options and ideas
>> with that. I mean, >> and that's where there's a few that >> and that's to to piggyback on that. That's kind of what I would like to do today. My goal, and it's just a personal goal. I'm one of five, was to direct the city manager of Randle to reach out to
the local charities and actively pursue and talk with them to see if someone has interest in taking over the other Fridays. >> Mhm. >> Last year, they they stood before us and claimed that they were able to donate $15,000
um in charity uh from last year. if you cut that in half, I I truly believe there's some charities and local charities that would have interest in making that 7500 um for for their charities. So, so I I'm hoping that's one of the big things that's come from today is that we give
Brian the direction and authority to actively reach out and start talking to some of these local charities, um especially local charities that have car clubs to see if they'd be interested in the every other Friday. I I don't want to lose a car show. I think it's the
part of the culture of North St. Paul and right >> we should do everything we possib will do. So that's my goal is to to grant him the direction and authority to start having meaningful conversations with some of these people. >> So minus the business association steps
and reaching out to them. What other steps? Brian, you said you you've taken some steps. What other steps have you taken? >> Well, there's a good three different um car show groups. Um, actually one of them was given to me by Bob when I started talking to him about it. Um,
>> uh, the Plymouth car show, there's there's the Hot Rod Group. There's there's a couple other to look at. Um, so yeah, I think there there's avenues to look at, but I even before that happened, the idea was and actually I talked with our city attorney too. Um,
what are some things that we can do? And oddly enough, state statute only points out one thing that cities can do. uh if it's not like park related. So if you have a a park event where then your park commission can put that on and and pay for that kind of event. But um for a
city like you know just closing a downtown they can offer free music. So you know my mind started going well then we can offer free music and then we start reaching out to the business association you know they can talk to the businesses downtown they can bring their wares to the street. We can have
crafts. We can have uh vendors. We can have face painting. Farmers market. >> Farmers market. Yeah. I mean it. >> So there were plenty of options even before we got to doing >> Yeah, I like that idea. >> My wife always complains that farmers markets are during the day and she can never get to them.
>> And then would we just have those people >> free complimentary? Like what would that >> No, I mean the intent is to handle it just the way we're handling it now with the car show. um they would have a special event permit and they would handle the situation and you know they
would have the insurance, they would uh deal with the vendors and um that would be on them because right now the car show for closing the streets with Ron's group and putting the stuff out and the biffies and all that stuff, the car show pays the city back for that.
>> That's correct. >> So the car the city's not doing doing anything um as far as for this event. the nonprofit, which is the history cruiser, they they pay for everything. So, the city's not sponsoring it. It's the it's their it's their show. They
just pay us to do the work for them. >> What does it cost to put the car show on for the season? >> For what city cost that we charge them? >> I'd be curious to know the whole cost. >> Do we know from Bob? their part is independent of us. So
>> what their books look like as far as >> well we do things for them that help with the costs. Um so the city pays for the bivies downtown and they do that because we can get it at half price. It would cost them full price. So >> sure >> there's different things that we do. We
have uh employees come in, we do clean up the next day, uh get the trash and you know those type of things. But so our bill to them at by the end of the year is probably 13 somewhere around there. 13,000. Okay.
>> Police plus public works or just >> That's everything. >> Everything. >> Yep. >> And we store their things down there for them at >> They have their trailer. Yep. For the barricades and that's stored inside. >> We come out with that. We put their storage to put inside the building for
their storage. Mhm. That's right. >> So, are there other venues we could put schedule out certain weeks where the city could come up with a a venue to specialize for a weekend
such as what I was thinking is the last weekend of the show where the car show is. They have the parades on Thursday. They have the car show Friday. Could we move the arts and culture group to
downtown on one end on Saturday to make it a full weekend? As long as you have all the BIFFs there already and then there'd be better parking instead of parking all over 17th Mohawk and all that.
>> And that is actually the intent for this year that we are looking for >> moving it downtown. >> Yep. Yep. Then at that point, I mean, we could potentially be expanded. I mean, we're not right >> condensed to the boat parking both sides. Yep. >> There's one other thing I'd like to
clear up, too, that we haven't discussed yet is they talked about, you know, they had three rain outs last season. So, um, and so every other week >> if there's a rain out during that time, they would talk about maybe we can schedule it for the following. But with the cities with the schedules, the
workers and everybody else, that's just doesn't work for the city because that's too fast for try to get everybody right now. You know, we have the people that are set for schedule. So, that really wouldn't work out for the city trying to get everything together and do a turnaround because it rained on Friday to do the following Friday. So, they're
going to have to stick with every other week. And if there's a chance sometimes if it rains on one, it could be three weeks in between shows. >> And even for the businesses, they staff, you know, accordingly. So there may it may be too much of a scramble for some of the businesses. Uh some of them said, "Oh, well, you know, their employees
will plan on showing up anyway just in case." But um but that being said, there's also a feeling that even though the car show is only happening every other weekend or every other Friday, um the cars will still show up on the
weekends. >> And so, um I guess the the question is how do we handle that? You know, it's not a an official car show, but we're I mean, we'll still accommodate them. will still welcome them and everything, but
there's probably not going to be any food vendors or anything like that. >> The bars will still, you know, the bars and businesses downtown, restaurants and things like that will benefit. Um, hopefully, and maybe people will still come and visit the, you know, come see the cars and visit the businesses. But,
um, >> well, even during CO when we weren't even allowed to be anywhere near it, there was guys parked out there in their little pockets, so you know they're going to show up. >> Yeah. So, how can we build something around that, I guess? inclusive of it
>> and you keep it in habit of every Friday and get different things. You know, I used to be my Chris and I used to be a big movie goers before CO. >> Well, then all the time of not being able to do it, you get out of the habit and then you don't go anymore. Same thing here. So, you know, we want to try to keep the momentum going that um you
know, it's been a Friday night staple. What else can we bring? You know, there was some excitement too for the borrower, some different things, too. So, when we were discussing it was like, well, let's think outside the box. What else can we do? So, >> in order to give Brian clear direction,
um, do we want him to prioritize something? Would a car show every other weekend be the priority or or would something else be the priority? >> I think the only big in talking to the businesses that or sorry, the bars that
were there, um, the only big ask was that it be familyfriendly. Um, so it doesn't necessarily, you know, so they said no death metal concerts or anything like that, which I'm upset about, but you know, I'll get over that. Um, but
you know, uh, have uh, you know, something that's familyfriendly, whether it be a car show, whether it be a farmers market, or whether it be an arts and crafts festival, something like that. Um, so I think that's the biggest requirement is that it's something that appeals to people of children of all
ages, so to speak. So >> I've never I don't think I've been but I never been to the one for White Bear. What's that? Marketfest it's called. >> Yeah, Market Fest. >> Is that what is what what people what groups are involved in that? Is it crafts? Is it what is it?
>> Mostly crafts businesses, uh restaurants, >> food vendors. >> There are stages where they have uh performances. >> Uh there is a little bit of a car show off to the side, but not as I mean definitely not as big as you know North St. Paul's. Um but yeah, it's and that
goes on every Thursday during the summer >> and we're the next day. So there's that momentum of hey, we're more weightbear north St. Paul area. >> And that was one of the things that we've reached out, you know, we mentioned was there's, you know, market fest, there's festivals, you know,
similar types of things going on in in communities surrounding us. Could we reach out to them and say, you know, how do you do this? Who does who organizes this? And what is your, you know, so that because we've got the downtown for it. >> Absolutely. You know, perfect place for
something like this. You know, how do we how do we utilize it to the best extent of, you know, our city? So, >> what does it look like to bring back crazy days? Well, >> I mean, I didn't live here when it
happened, but that's I've heard lots about it and I've heard lots about it from the community members and we got rid of it. And what does it look like to bring that back? >> The council member was here for quite a while that we kind of headed that up. Um, I know it started getting tougher to uh
for her to at least to book some of those things. I know that they brought in a uh carnival at one point um which ended up not being great. At least that one wasn't. Um and it kind of just went downhill and and nobody else wanted to pick it up um the event. Uh it's not to
say that they couldn't. I mean there I mean you couldn't you could >> call it whatever you want. I mean, as far as the right >> event goes and if you're going to have all those vendors downtown, I mean, >> still just familyfriendly events >> and depending what you want with crazy days, you know. I mean, >> it could be all of the above.
>> Mhm. >> But that's the reason that that went away. It at that time it was put on a council member and that council member didn't want to do anymore and nobody else wanted to pick it up. >> Yeah, I get it. I mean, we have a designated community
um events coordinator and working with business association. I mean, maybe they can partner. I don't know. I'm brainstorming out loud, but it doesn't need to fall all on Ava, but it could there could she could head it
up. >> Yeah. I mean, I guess ultimately I think for the easiest for everyone, I would like to see it, unless I'm instructed differently, is to handle it kind of the way it is now, that an event coordinator of sorts outside of the city takes care
of that because we can only put on uh according to our attorney, a free music festival. When it comes to vendors and all those other things, we are not supposed to be spending tax dollar funds on that, >> right? But but yeah, at least we have a backup
for something. But I think uh business association is clearly would be the next step talking as well. >> But I mean it was a productive conversation. It was good to have the talk and talk with them and um >> I was very impressed with the way they handled it because I mean this is this
is a big cutting it in half for what they what they're doing and everybody you can tell they're entrepreneurs. It's like okay well we all this is where it is. Let's figure out how to fix it. So I was very happy and impressed with the businesses because they all just dug in and so let's try to figure something out here.
>> Yeah. So clear direction from you guys would be great because we we want to move as fast as we can on this when it comes to trying to plan and vendors and all that good stuff as well. >> So I guess to get back to your question that we've kind of all danced around um I think if
we could reach out you know car shows make sense. Um that's what people are accustomed to in North St. Paul. If we could do car shows that'd be great. Um I think we do want to leave. you know, it sounds like there's a desire to move the um autumn arts festival, but that's a
Saturday though, too. So, um but uh so a car show um I think would be first and foremost. So priority wise, you know, if we can reach out to car clubs and start there, um reaching out to uh those uh
charities or >> uh charitable organizations around here, I think would be a good next step to if they have a car show associated or a car club associated with them would be ideal. If they don't, um you know, what is their experience? You know, we're looking for somebody that has experience
that can run this because we don't want it. I think if it reflects if it goes poorly, it's going to reflect poorly on the city as well. So, we want to make sure that it's a success and we will do our part as a city council. Um, and I guess I'm speaking for all of us, but I
I I feel like I can in this case that we'll do everything we can in our power to make this a success um for the city and for the businesses and for our residents. Is that something where the city can reach out to these different things? Because I know there's the limit of what
you can do. So, you have to tell you I know you want to know what uh you know what we want, but we got to know what we can do. That's still underneath what you can do. >> There's nothing wrong with us reaching out to these 501s and um seeing where they're at, what they can do, what they can offer.
>> All right. Then I then we start with that. I would like to try to get even something a little bit different in there too, like a farm, but I don't know if there's enough room even for it with because we pretty much packed that whole entire street now. So, >> yeah, >> but there's a little variety, but yeah,
we we have a lot of lot of different a lot of different trucks on that. Um, we mentioned something about the the bands. So, would that be like a one band that the city would or music that we can do? Is that what you're thinking when you >> came back to us? We could go that route
to where at least where we could >> put a step forward to have some kind of activity, family event down there. But then even on top of that, you'd still want a >> somebody take care of Yeah. You're just not going to have a band sitting out in the middle of nowhere, >> right? Okay. >> Because if there's a band, people are going to want food. Y I mean,
>> Yep. >> Not that we want to take away from the businesses downtown, but you know, >> if they could have a booth out front or whatever. I know right now in the car show days a lot of them already do their bands. >> So, and we're not paying for those. I don't want to get into us paying for
something and then they have to pay for, you know, I'm just trying to make sure we keep it fair. >> And that was kind of just a backup plan and hopefully it would fall on um the entity to take care of all of that. >> Okay. >> All right.
>> Great. >> Anything else? Anybody? No, I guess direction is to find and start researching some other car clubs. I can't recall if he's does hastening still do their car show. >> Yeah, but they scaled it way back. >> They did. Okay.
>> Once a month on a Sunday morning for two hours. So, I mean they really >> they really scaled it >> when they redid the bridge. >> Yeah. >> That that really signal the end of it. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> I mean that's another group to look at. Absolutely.
>> So on my end, I would recommend reaching out to other car car clubs to see if they can get filled in. >> Perfect. And just ideas too of other things where she's at, you know, like what market fest if you can get a hold of maybe something white bear. Just ask them, you know, hey, you know, was there
good to to discuss that? Because I know that's Ava is just amazing what she can figure out and do as far as that. She definitely has a talent when it comes to uh sniffing stuff like that out. >> She's good. Yep.
>> Anything else? Would you like to add anything, Ron? Because I got to pick on you at least once. >> All right, Chief. Anything from you, sir? >> I'm good. >> All right. >> Dan, Randy, Ken, >> don't forget your daughter, >> Elliott.
>> Yeah. Has she got a comment? No. >> Any comments about the car show? >> All right. >> That's a pony. We'll have pony rides at the at the car show. >> All right. >> All right. >> All right.
>> Thank you all. We got some time in between here. We're going to start up again at 6:30 with the council meeting. I have a call for adjournment, please. >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Schwar. >> Second. >> Second. and Council Member McKenzie. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you. See you at 6:30. Part: 2
I want to hit this. >> All right. Call the meeting to order. Stand for the pledge of allegiance, please. >> Lady to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it
stands. One nation, indivisibley andice for all. >> Thank you. Roll call, please. >> Council member Nordby, >> here. >> Council member Woods, >> here. >> Council member McKenzie, >> here. >> Council member Schwear
>> here. Mayor Monkey >> here. >> Yeah, if you don't mind. Um uh we'd like to before we jump into the adopt the agenda uh bring up our police chief uh Ray Rosales to uh discuss some of the impact and the feelings we're getting
back from the public about um ICE and where our where we stand on some of this. So I'd like to turn over to Chief Rosales, please. >> Thank you, mayor. Thank you, council members. Thank you, city manager. Thank you, everyone that's in attendance this evening.
Uh, this is a message from the city of North St. Paul. The city of North St. Paul is aware that residents and businesses may have questions or concerns regarding increased federal immigration enforcement activity occurring in surrounding communities.
The city's primary responsibility is to ensure the safety and security of all residents. This message is to clarify the role of the North St. Paul Police Department regarding the ongoing immigration enforcement in Minnesota. The city of North St. Paul does not
enforce immigration laws and is not involved in fe federal immigration enforcement operations. US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, otherwise known as ICE, is a separate federal agency
and no individual or local authority, including local law enforcement, may interfere with its operations. Nor St. All police officers do not inquire about the immigration status of suspects, victims, or witnesses and are
prohibited from sharing information for the purpose of identifying or enforcing immigration violations. The city respects the constitutional right of individuals to law lawfully demonstrated or protest. Police officers may respond to such
activities to determine whether they are lawful, to ensure public safety, and to protect individuals constitutional rights when exercised in a lawful manner on public property. It is unlawful to obstruct or in
interfere with the actions of ICE or any law enforcement agency. Residents are encouraged to remain calm, prioritize safety, and refrain from interfering with any ICE enforcement activity they may observe. Interfering with federal agents can
create serious safety risk for all involved. With that being said, residents with concerns regarding ICE activity within the city of North St. Paul may contact the City of North St. Paul Police Department at 651-747-2406
where they will be directed to the appropriate staff. If you believe a Department of Homeland Security employee has acted improperly, complaints may be d submitted directly to the DHS Office of Inspector General.
Reports can be filed online through the DHS hotline complaint form online. Correct me if I'm wrong. Uh, city manager, this uh, release that I just read is also going to be posted on our website. Correct. >> Yes, that's correct.
>> Okay. >> What is it? >> Thank you very much. Thank you for that. Thank you, Chief. >> At this time, we will get a motion to adopt the agenda, please. >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Swear. Second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. I.
>> I. Thank you very much. All right, moving on. We'd like to have a presentation today for um our commissioners that would spend their time, personal time on our commissions, whether or not it's the arts or economic development, parks and wreck, uh
planning. Um so, we'd like to recognize them tonight. We'll have the mayor and come down to the podium and we can present uh plaques out for people who have served. So, I really appreciate the time to do that to honor these people.
So I don't know. >> All right, >> I'm gonna go down there for the planning. >> Seven of North St. Paul has several boards and commissions on which uh members volunteer their time uh for the betterment of our city. These include the art and culture, parks and rec
planning commission, economic development authority and the police civil service commission. At the end of 2025, there were seven members um whose respective terms ended and they chose to resign. The city would like to acknowledge and express sincere appreciation to the outgoing members for
the various commissions. Each of these commissioners has generously volunteered their time, knowledge, and experience to serve the community. So, uh, first up, I will allow you to read that. >> Right there, too. >> Who's all here?
>> I would. >> You're going to go down there for your own commission, right? Troy, get in there. >> Peter, >> I don't think his name say it for the EDA. Yep. >> We'll get that out to
>> him. Andrew Pleasure, sir. Absolutely. Oh, yes. You're wonderful. Get my fingers all over. >> How many years, sir? >> 15.
And we like to Oh yes, >> everything also civil service. >> Should get that marked. >> Oh wow. >> Yep.
>> Same indeed. on your surgery. >> Absolutely. back up. Well, you look good. Not what they're supposed to. >> Here you go, Dave. >> We'll mail them out. Thank you. >> There you are, sir.
>> Thanks everybody for all the help. We appreciate all the hard work. Thank you so much. >> I'll let Jim go first. >> All the hardware. I feel like Academy Awards going on here. I >> think so. >> Oh, I'm not going to bend over. >> Just leave it on the counter.
>> Well, thanks again everybody. All right. Now, we'll go work our way to the consent agenda. All right, consent. Item A, January 6, 2026 regular meeting minutes. Item B, general claims of $4,172,446.884.
H claims of $128,1946. Park and recreation commission appointments. Item E, reappoint student commissioner to the arts and culture commission. Item F, solar rates above 40KW. Uh, item G, pay equity report. And item
H, approve the 2026 revised history cruise car show agreement. >> Looking for a motion. >> All right. Thank you. I'd like to see if anybody like to pull anything at this time. If not, can I please have a motion? >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Woods.
>> Second. >> Second. Council member Mackenzie. All those in favor say I. I. >> I. >> All right. Thank you all for that. Now, next we have uh three minutes open to the public for public comment.
All right. Is it Ben? >> Hey, come on up. >> All right. Thanks for having me. >> Yes, sir. >> Thank you for coming. >> Hello. Uh the timing of this short little
speech is um interestingly timed. Um, when the chief was up here speaking about ICE and North St. Paul's role, um, I thought he did a pretty good job and that's really what I came here to say. What is uh, St. North St. Paul's role as far as ICE goes. So, I'm going
to give my speech anyway. Um, knowing now that you guys did put out a statement, but I'm going to read it anyway. So, I'm here to express concern about how ICE responds or sorry, I'm got to get my glasses on. I'm here to express concern about how ICE impacts
our local community. Residents are afraid to leave their homes and interact as a community. This is a real fear in the neighborhood that affects everyone. There have been cars pulled over, houses entered without warrants, and citizens arrested. Um, I'm sure you guys,
everyone knows about the shooting in Minneapolis as well. Um, everyone from Stillwater to St. Cloud is affected by this or touched by it in some way. Um, but right now we're talking about North St. Paul. Um, our city should be focused
on safety, trust, and serving the community. We should be clear about this and know we are not an extension of ICE. Um, so please um do not let ICE take over our city. Thank you so much. And thank you so much
for the statement you uh your chief made earlier. Thanks. >> Thank you. Sabina, >> thank you. I'm terrible with names. Sabina. >> Um, Ben already said most of what I was going to say and I appreciate the
statement by the chief tonight. Um, my concern especially is many of the immigrant businesses that we have in North St. Paul, many um, restaurants are already closed. um stores are locked and as a citizen that just really makes me
sad. >> Um so whatever we can do as a city to support them and make them feel safe in the city I just really would like that to happen. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> All right. Well, thanks everybody for
your comments. So now we will be moving to electric guy. Yeah. Next is city business action items uh which is talking about the substation system upgrading and replacements. So we'll turn it over to our electric
director John Wick. >> All right. Can everybody hear me? >> Yes, sir. Yes. >> Okay. Uh I'll try to give you the quick overview and uh as much information as I can uh in the short period of time.
Uh so in November we started to see some issues at the substation. Uh it was not long after I had actually turned in the budget for the year. Uh kind of an unforeseen um issue. Uh but it's something that I
think u our budget has given us enough room to absorb in the coming year. Um we started seeing some errors in in readings coming from the substation through our SCADA. um and had our um our
SCADA company come out automated systems to take a look and see if it was anything wrong with the readings we were getting from the substation. Um they confirmed that uh the the system was working properly uh and that it was just getting the wrong information um
from the physical devices control devices within the sub. Um unfortunately we noticed a number of meters uh that read the the load on each circuit were responding with inaccurate numbers. Um
we were able to get the accurate numbers from the relays that are on the circuits themselves. Uh but in the control house itself where those readings come from uh everything was was showing the wrong numbers. Uh we did uh we were able to
diagnose uh we had uh PMG engineering come out um fellow by the name of Jason Van Heck. I'll touch on him a little bit uh later. Uh he came out and was able to tell us which uh pieces of equipment were failing and
a rough ballpark of what it would cost to replace those parts. Uh but what he had ultimately suggested was that we um replace our current relay system with a new upgraded system. Um our current
system is maxed out. We cannot receive any more information from the substation. Uh and there's a lot of good information that we can receive uh if we do upgrade. Uh to keep it short, we to replace the parts that were there. um
it's actually near approaching the cost to actually do the entire upgrade itself. Um and those parts are going to become more and more difficult to obtain as we go forward. Um we can go to the next slide. Uh so yes, it's all critical equipment.
Uh we monitor this information daily and um and then we have the guys go down and check the substation every week to make sure that um we don't have any potential failures or catastrophic events. Um the physical imple or equipment in the sub
that is failing is showing the wrong readings as well. But without getting too technical, we have relays in place on each circuit that have house a plethora of information and we're pulling just a very little amount out of
them. Uh by doing this upgrade, we'll be able to pull any and all information off of those. They're called Schwitzer relays. um they're on each circuit breaker that meet feed the main circuits that go throughout town. We'll be able to pull any and all information off of them and integrate them with our current
SCADA system. Um yeah, we can go to the next one. Um just for uh some background, the substation is the essentially the heart and the brain of the entire electrical system. All the
information that we monitor throughout our system comes from the substation and the source of all the energy for the town comes from that substation. Uh so I think it is critical to uh spare no expense when it comes to making the
right decisions down there. Um the current system we have that would be getting replaced is called the PLC system. uh it uses um information from each individual device in the control house to send information
back to us and for us to read physically on the location. Um and by going to the new system, we would no longer have to pull from each individual instrument. We'd be able to pull it all from the main relays on those breakers.
This would modernize the way we re receive information, but it would also make it so we're set for any upgrades in the future. Uh, this new system would it's a seal product. Um, is a widely recognized brand. Uh, they have a
10-year warranty on all items and they also uh typically outside of that warranty will even replace at no cost just because they want to know if there's an issue. They want to know what's wrong and they don't want to they don't want to be by surprised by anything in the future. So, uh I learned
through the PMG engineering that came out this Jason that uh he has a good relationship with them and that uh he's typically never seen anyone have to pay for any sort of replacements on parts that fail uh from seal. So, um
yeah, we can go to the next one. again that product I would mesh with uh anything that we would upgrade in the future. Uh we'd be able to just basically plug and play the project products as we did any upgrades. Now I don't know what we would focus on first
but at least getting to uh where we're getting all the information we need is uh is top priority. Another big benefit would be um we would be getting all new prints and oneline diagrams of the substation. Our current
ones are sufficient uh but they are very difficult to read. Um they're hard to interpret. And by getting a new system, new prints, we get all the all of our crew trained in on how to interpret those prints and how to operate all the
equipment within the substation. Um, I think everyone on our crew is sufficient at recognizing things in the substation that may be um, wrong or things that they can operate, but it's also not their expertise. Um,
so they we usually rely on um, uh, contracted outside help for steps like that. Um, so in this way we I think we'd be better prepared for um, you know, anything that could go wrong in the future. Again, like I said, the cost comparison is very similar to actually
replacing the failed equipment that's currently in the substation. Uh we have charts that we've been looking to replace for some time. Uh that would be anywhere from 15 to $20,000 to just replace what's currently there. Um the four failed meters are about 5,000 a
piece. And then to upgrade our PLC system with the SCADA, uh would be in the ballpark of 20 to $30,000 to add additional ways to add information. Um you know, you're you're looking in the
ballpark of $60 to $70,000 to do a complete replacement of the current equipment or the 92,000 to do the full upgrade. again PMG Engineering uh Jason Van Heck came out he was widely recommended by uh
other public utilities and XL Energy uh he's uh expert in substations and uh anything relay and uh monitoring equipment uh they uh from the moment he stepped into
that substation um I've seen a lot of smart people come in there and I respect a lot of them that was the smartest person I've ever seen in that substation and the the moment he was in there, he he could read that entire substation without seeing a single print or or cuz
he's been in so many that same style. Um and and it was pretty apparent to him immediately that we should be looking at making this switch. Um and then uh to make things better um he was the lowest bid that came in as well.
I know it's a lot of information and a lot of technical. Um I'd be happy to uh speak more on anything uh that is not fully comprehended or that you may have questions on. Um but I I would like to see us move forward with the upgrade. I
think it would be uh something that we can as a department absorb within our budget. Uh we can make the proper changes to to stay within those those limits. But just again it wasn't it was an unforeseen thing towards the end of last year that that came up. So uh yeah
any any questions or concerns? >> What's the timing? How long is it going to take to do the upgrade? How long is it I see 20 to 30 23 to 30 days prior to start of installation? >> Um but how long is it going to take to actually do? And >> is it
>> are we in any d is the city in any danger of losing power or anything between now and then? >> Uh that's that's a great question. Uh there's no immediate concern of the of power failure. Um we're just not being able to monitor information that could >> lead to to failure. Um but as it sits
now, we're you know there I have no concern of the power actually going out or or something you know bad happening to our transformer or the substation in general. Um like I said that 23 to 30 days to acquire. Um and then they anticipated from the time they've
acquired the equipment um about 2 weeks to install. >> Okay. How long have we had the current system for? >> Uh longer than my time here. >> 35 years. Your >> time? >> 35 years. >> 35 years. Okay. >> And it's been it's it's been a reliable
system. Um it's it's served its purpose, but it's also um you know on the aging end of of its capabilities. So >> Well, I like that. um like what you do and also what Ron you know you bring the solutions plus the other ones too. So we look at the upgrade and what it cost to
compare to you know replacing just like we did with the the door locks and all the other things. So it's I appreciate you doing both sides to say this will get us to this point but this also will be able to get us farther into the future. >> Yeah. Uhhuh. Yeah.
>> So thanks for doing that that research on it. >> Oh of course. And and you said you believe that you're able to absorb this cost with your current budget. You think? >> Yes. Yeah. I think um uh you know it's more than we were planning on spending on our substation structure budget, but
uh and we we do also have the um our three-year maintenance this year as well. So, it's an additional cost within the substation. Some of it can probably be absorbed with this uh with them doing the relay checks and everything like that. So, it might shave some cost off of our three-year inspection as well,
like where they test the transformer and all the breakers and typically go in and check all our targets and our relays and and the batteries and so it it might be able to kind of offset a little bit of that. >> Oh, >> I don't have confirmation of that at this time, but >> So, I'm hearing you say it's going to
save us money in the long run, right? >> I'm just kidding. >> Yeah, it could. Yes. Yeah. Well, I feel that we should just upgrade it because it's been 35 years. >> Replace it. Yeah. >> Or replace it. Yeah. I I think that'd be
the smartest thing to do. More of a cost-saving effect that way. >> Yeah, I I agree. It's um uh it would be um I would be a lot more comfortable with the upgrade uh than actually replacing what's currently there. We
could I know we can read that and we can interpret that. Uh, but I think there's a lot more capabilities moving forward with the new the new path. >> Any more questions from anybody? Everybody, >> I'm good. >> Comfortable with that? >> Yep. >> So, we'll have to do a vote on it. So,
give me a second here to get back up. There we go. Substation PLC system replacement. I'll make a motion to replace council >> member Schwer. >> Second by anybody. Second. >> Second by council member McKenzie. All
those in favor say I. >> I. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Appreciate you keep an eye on it. >> Thank you. >> Of course. >> Thanks, John. >> All right. Reports from city manager and departments. We had a staff meeting
today. Um guess I'd like to first talk a little bit about our chlorination. So as you know um we ended up having a bacteria in the water supply. It wasn't it's uh not the style that is detrimental to health. Uh but what it
means is um we had a sizable road reconstruction project uh this last year which also meant replacing um water lines you know and you have the potential they do clean it out. They do try to chlorinate it, but once in a while, you know, it could be a matter of
a leaf. It could be a little bit of dirt that got in there which caused this. So, by having that in there, uh requirements from the state. We did start chlorination. Uh we had it in there for about what four or five weeks that we had it going. Um so, we did take that
off last week, did testing again, and unfortunately the came back with several fails for the testing that is still detecting bacteria. So, we put it back on there. Um, you know, we are hearing a lot from the public. People aren't used to having the chlorination in their water system. So, it really stands out
when you're not used to it. Uh, but clearly there are, uh, areas that you have to keep it within a certain amount uh, in there. You can't go above or beyond uh, the percentages. I would leave that up to Ron to talk about those percentages, but uh, we are well within
those parameters. Um, this time it's not going to be exactly the same like it was before. we're actually moved to the a different area where we're adding the chlorination which is closer to the problem issue that we have. So, we're hoping that that would give us a a step up in uh getting this bacteria
completely out of the system. Um I would imagine that it probably be another four or five weeks try to run with this chlorination and then if we'll try it again, take it off for about a week and then redo testing again to see where we come out. Um in talking with the state,
we have found that uh some we've had a city that had the same issue. Uh they replaced a bunch of their water mane um ended up having that same bacteria in their system. They went on and off probably three, four times, ended up they couldn't get it out of there and they ended up having to go full-time on
their chlorination. So that would be um worst case scenario for us if we had to go on there and keep it on there. I know people like that without it, but uh just wanted to give that little heads up kind of where we're at and kind of where we're going. >> Um >> I appreciate that too because you know
everybody's trying and as a council we've been you know we say the good, the bad, and the ugly. So we're trying the best we can and you know we'll do the best going forward but there's that chance. So we just wanted to make be out there and be upfront with everybody. And one unfortunate downside of it is it
actually with the chlorination in there, it actually cleans the pipes. So people are seeing some uh brown matter in from coming inside the pipes, which is the buildup of the minerals that are inside there. Um so it's recommended that if you see that, you know, run your water
until it runs clean. Um, especially when it comes to washing clothes, if uh you happen to be running a load and it comes out and then it happen to flush and you see some of that in there, just re-wash it again when you get to your clean water. Don't dry it because they'll probably lock into the clothes if you do
that. But uh but we're receiving the phone calls and giving the people the answers that uh we have for them. Um so the electric department's been they had their uh American Test Center. They come out every year, do uh testing on the trucks, whether or not it's dialectric or mechanical. Um they also
is in charge of doing the Ramsey County hazardous waste material for that we bring in as the city. Got that filled out for the year. Um working on a couple of generator issues that they've had uh got one of them fixed. We're still having issues with another. So uh they're looking into that. Those are
rather expensive endeavors for So, we have backup generation for like our city hall, our public works building, and then we have them for uh our wells, some of our wells. So, um we have several in town that we maintain. Uh communication. Ava's been uh busy working on the new residential guide for
uh customers coming into our city or residents coming to our city, I should say, and uh busy with booking events for 2026. Um finance of course is busy with the auditors. They are back this week. Um along with electric will be doing their
audit with them tomorrow, I believe. So, >> and I'll be going in on Wednesday for my part of the audit. >> Yep. So, they'll be here this week and then uh they'll come back uh February and then finish up in March.
>> Um PD is starting to get their uh Motorola equipment starting to show up and getting that underway. So, we'll be starting to set up with new body cams and uh equipment for their vehicles. Uh sooner the better. Um
public works has been ice rinks are looking decent now since it's so cold. Uh which fluctuates so much this year with the warmer weather and then dropping down to the cold again. Um we did uh for the tree grants, we still have some money left in the tree grant,
a little over $70,000. So, they'll be working on the 150 trees that we have left in the city to take care of. Um, be focusing more on the one dead ones that you'll see, especially along the road. They tend to have branches coming down off of them. Um,
so they'll be busy with that this year. Um, we also found out that we got uh the it's called the INI or it's a infill and infiltration infiltration grant which allows people to apply for that grant if they want to replace a sewer line because the water that goes into the sewer line leaks into it for the old
systems ends up going through and then we pay for that that goes down to St. Paul. So, uh, student build house, they, uh, got the students back out. They were off for the holidays. Uh so we'll start to see progress on that. Probably getting some
uh trusses out there this week and get them up on top of there. Um and they got their year end water report completed. Um no big changes. We still on average probably our city which is not just the city proper. We serve into Maplewood north of here as well. Uh we consume
approximately million gallons a day for the water system. >> Has that fluctuated much over the years? I heard it didn't. >> Not a lot. It's stayed pretty close to that. Um we've seen a little bit of increase with the population growth that we've seen, but uh last few years, but
otherwise it's pretty pretty close. >> Actually, we're pretty low if you compare us to city. Very low. >> Yeah, we do real well for saving >> indeed. Uh fire had the blood drive today, um which worked out well until the elevator died and then had to get
them out here quick and fix that. So, got it fixing for tonight to get people up here. That was good. Uh and uh we're starting to get equipment in for the uh door access system. Um got some frames in, doors in. Um be seeing those
changes. And then I think the 26th we'll be they'll be having to cruise here and starting to hit it hard and get the locks in place and run the wires out to them. Uh they're also working on the code compliance around town, especially with the uh all the snow and the melting and the ice issues that we've been
having. Um, and we got the Polar Plunge coming up. So, anybody wants to jump in the ice up at White Bear Lake January 31st. And if you're looking for any sponsors, you can call the PD there. >> Oh, one up.
>> As long as somebody pulls me out, I'll go in. >> Our chief said that he he went in last year and he had a monitor on his wrist. So, it went from what was it like 60 Yeah, as soon as he hit that water, >> I would think so.
>> A strong ticker. >> My battery would freeze. >> Yeah. Um and community development, they're working with uh so this Friday, all the comments are due back for the RFP that we put out for the trash hauler. Um the questions will come in
that they have for us. We'll um get the answers back to them and within two weeks we should have uh the bids come in. So that's all coming together. That's all I have for you. >> That's quite a bit. Thank you so much for the update.
>> All right. Any reports from commissions? >> Council member Schwar, you anything for your guys? >> Unfortunately, we didn't have anything in December. So, uh, January 28th is our next meeting here at Council Chambers at 6:30. >> All right. Thank you. >> Our next meeting at with EDA will be
March 10th. >> Okay. Well, tomorrow we're having >> Oh, yes. Tomorrow we are having a uh presentation over at Swedies and at Main Drag for them doing the facade program and they're going to be issued a
check back from our city. >> So our >> for the facade program that they kicked in 50% and they put nice new windows on the front of Swedies. It's really made a big difference. So we're able to help with that. So that's awesome. >> That's a start. >> Yeah. And we got plenty more. We've been
talking about that program and uh so um we're still hitting it. >> Woods >> um arts and culture. Uh one of the big projects that we've got going on in 2026 is uh the purchase and development of a
penny or a sorry a coin press since pennies are kind of out of fashion now. But um so we'll be doing a a coin press uh that will be hosted here in the city. And um so for all those people that like to collect, you know, collectible coins from different places they visit, we'll
have one here that I think the plan is to have uh four different uh faces. One with uh the snowman, one with Henry Castle, one with a car for the car show, and one for Automars Festival, I believe. >> So, >> very nice. Thank you. Planning
Commission. >> Uh the planning commission will be um interviewing, it sounds like we'll be interviewing starting this coming Monday for replacement. um for one of the ones we just celebrated leaving. And then our next meeting will be on February 5th. >> That's awesome. Thank you very much.
Any general business from anybody? >> No. >> Anybody? All right. >> Um I guess I I'll say something. I would like to uh thank police chief uh Rosales for his statement about ICE earlier. I'd like to thank our residents here. Um, I know I've got friends and family who are
impacted as well and it's just good to uh have our residents come out and have know that the city is doing what we can. So, thank you. >> All right. Thank you. I would agree with that statement. And also um I was very happy that we were um
uh re renewing the student for the commission. And um the I if we have your blessings, I would like to direct city manner that next time he's talking to the school board that if any other students were interested in any of the other commissions, I I think we would be
opening to have a student commissioner on every commission. I I I think just that's a wonderful thing and wonderful training experience. >> Yep. >> Yep. Just like with the with um art one, they don't vote, but they're in the meetings. They're able to be part of the discussions and do everything else. So,
it gives them a taste of under chance to be able to participate. >> I think that's a great idea. >> I will say uh that you had our student commissioner for the arts and culture commission. Um the I you know I think people are aware of the bring a snowy home program that we had going on where
you could buy the little uh wooden snowy and paint it yourself. Um that was his idea. >> So um great ideas, very uh passionate kid. So if we can get people like that involved in any of the commissions or in in government in general, I think we've
got a a strong uh path forward for the city. So >> great. All right. I agree with that. We're not going to be adjourning. Uh we're going to be going into a closed door session for uh review for the the
city manager. So this meeting will be closed pursuant of the Minnesota statute 13D5 sub 3A to conduct a performance review for of the city manager Brian Frandle. So once we're done with that, we will
come back into this room and adjourn. So, appreciate everybody coming tonight and thanks uh for for showing up.