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--------- Let's call the meet. Oh, let's call the meeting to order. Roll call, please. >> Council member Nordby >> here. >> Council member Woods >> here. >> Council member McKenzie >> here. >> Council member Schwear is absent. Mayor Muggy >> here. Thank you so much. I had a motion to adopt the agenda, please. >> So move.

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>> So move. Council member McKenzie >> second. >> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. I. Thank you. Off we go to the races. >> Well, thanks, sir. I'll kick it off. We got uh one topic on the agenda for tonight, and that's just a water tower

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update. Since we were able to reallocate the funds of 4.5 million from the community center to a new water tower, it' be a good time to bring in our engineer, Morgan Dolly, and have him discuss this. We had a site plan that was done back in 2020. Um that was preliminary, but um there's a lot more

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information now and how things are going to unfold and move forward anyway. and just keep that. >> Uh, thank you, Brian, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. So, I um I don't have a prepared presentation. Um, I think Brian called me on Thursday or Friday or

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something. So, we wanted to provide an update and um it was a different council that was here when we did the sighting study for the tower, right? So, I think my goal here is to answer any questions certainly, but also give uh the council a little bit of context and background

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and um how we some of the findings within the study, right? Um and uh you know any I think I don't know if that's available on the city's website or whatever but that you know if anybody wants really technical boring read that is available certainly but I'll give you

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the high points try to translate um into kind of normal everyday language and first before I before I start I mean I've been doing this a long time um and at the state legislature you know bonding bill years turn into non-bonding

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bill years and vice versa. And you guys certainly um are no stranger to hearing that. And Brian and I collaborated on a little bit of the last minute kind of documentation that went in before the decision was made to uh finally approve

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that $4.5 million. And I have to say it's outstanding that that was approved. I know that there were some hoops to jump through and some conversations to be had, but the fact that it was approved to be repurposed in this fashion, I think is uh definitely a

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win for North St. Paul because it's a significant expenditure. And I think the first piece of background that you should know and understand and remember is that the the deficiency in storage, water storage I'll call it, right? We

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have two water towers total in the city and I might need Ron to pipe in with some facts and figures here if I get stuck. But um we're we're talking about the north tower and um we've known the

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city has known that there was a a shortage or a deficiency a shortfall in overall total storage uh since well before my time. I mean that that uh point was noted within the uh gosh that would have been the 20

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30 comprehensive plan which was completed in 2008. So you know previous city engineer and previous engineering um evaluations had identified that that shortfall. Now the the it's not a hard

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requirement. It's not law, but the total amount of storage is determined based on um your peak demand, like how much the the most water that's ever being pumped out of the wells at any given time. And if you take I can't remember if it's

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like you take your highest service pump out and then you do some math and you come up with a number based on what the recommended storage is. That's included in 10 state standards. So that is uh again engineering guidelines or standards. Again, it's not law. It's not

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a hard requirement, but it is something that if you're a community with a drinking water system, there's a def a finite or a defined amount of storage that a city should have to be able to keep up with regular water demand. Um

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keep up with uh you know, fire flow if there's an emergency or there's a a need for uh fire pumping. uh with one or or maybe potentially multiple uh wells out of commission to be able to recharge those uh ground either ground storage or

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above storage. Now, both of the the storage units that the city has are both above ground towers. So, uh it's not just ground storage, they're elevated and the elevation is what provides the pressure throughout the whole city. So the higher the tower uh whether it's on

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an hill or whether it's elevated by you know columns or or a support column one support column in the center for example uh that elevation difference between the top of the tower and your lowest served areas. So homes that are low in

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elevation or also homes that are on on top of hills that differential uh elevation is what provides the the pressure to those homes. Obviously, if your home is on top of a hill or in a high spot, you'll probably see um lower pressure. If you're in a low spot,

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you'll see higher pressure. Right? So, that's kind of the general background of how it works and how we got to this point. So, it has been a known item. Um it's been uh included and passed forward from the 2008 comp plan to the 2018 comp

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plan. And um certainly it was something that in about 20 thou I think it was actually probably the comp plan preparation in 2017 2018 that triggered some discussion about okay well it's been quite some time decades let's say

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that we've known about this. How much is it going to cost? What's the recommended location? You know should we look at different locations? What are some construction alternatives? what are some different types of towers and different types of materials of towers to consider and what might be uh the best thing that

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we can determine at that time to make a recommendation within what we called a a tower sighting study. Now that was complete I think we might have started that study in 2018. I think it was completed in 2019 and then with a little bit of COVID there I think it was kind

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of delayed before it was officially received by council. I don't have the date handy, but I'm I'm believing that the final date was like early in 2020 when it was received by council. And again, that was just receipt of a study. There wasn't any action taken. It was

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just information that was presented at that time, which included uh basically uh some of the background as I mentioned, some of the alternatives evaluated and then a recommendation. Um it did look at as I mentioned

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different locations throughout the city. uh it looked at different types of towers and ultimately um what was included in the final recommendation was a type of tower. So that's a a composite

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tower. Um and composite it is just the type of construction versus I don't know steel. I think what we have now is a a elevated steel tower at the north tower. Um and composite looks a little bit different. It's uh you may it's a little

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more modern design. Uh there's one mono column I guess in the middle and then the storage areas on top of that as opposed to what we have now which is uh four independent columns and bracings and structure which which elevate that the storage area on top. Um, and one of

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the reasons for that recommendation was that the study looked at not only the initial cost and and so some of the the initial costs were evaluated and and compared among different types of construction, but also the life cycle cost. And I can't remember if it was out

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25 or 30 or 35 years, but looking at the life cycle cost and the type of maintenance that you need to do on a composite tower is a little bit less than it is on a classic steel construction tower or other versions of that. And so looking at the upfront

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capital cost of the tower plus the ongoing maintenance. So every guessing on this cycle, but every 10 to 15 years, it's necessary to um strip and paint sometimes both the outside and the

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inside or just the outside and kind of refinish that tower. And so with a composite tower, there is a little bit less of painting and repainting that needs to happen. general ongoing maintenance is less costly and less um I don't know potentially problematic from

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a coordination standpoint or trying to stay on top of it. And so actually if you looked at and we did look at that kind of life cycle cost over 30 plus years the composite tower did come out to be less expensive and so that was what was recommended. So, it's a little

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more expensive upfront, uh, but less expensive overall over the life cycle. And I think that it was wellreceived by the council public works as well. I think we all know the challenges with, um, staying on top of maintaining aging

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infrastructure, right? And so, um, that recommendation, I guess, was wellreceived at that point. And so that that wound up being the final recommendation for the type of tower. The size again dictated by those 10 state standards. Uh Ron might remember all the exact gallons, but it is a

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larger size than what we have out there. So we're um we're increasing the overall total capacity for storage that we have through the city by contemplating constructing a larger tower at the north tower site. Now, from a sighting

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standpoint, we looked at all different uh a few different options. And you know, it's not like the city owns tracks of land throughout the city. I think they looked at a few different locations for uh land that was, you

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know, of a high enough elevation, but was actually uh not owned by the city, but could be potential areas and sites. And really what rose to the top from a location standpoint is the idea of using it's Tower Park, right, Ron? Yeah. So,

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so the that we call it Tower Park. So that's that area um that surrounds the existing tower. We have some playground equipment there. I think there might be some other amenities or maybe it's just kind of passive green space in that whole area. We also have a whole lot of

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uh cellular wireless companies that lease space on the existing tower there. So there's some equipment cabinets at the bottom uh and some different infrastructure and obviously underground there are uh previously designed and um

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in use large pipe diameter trunk water manes that come that that that either feed into the tower or feed out of the tower to basically supply the rest of the system and charge it with pressure. So the fact that that infrastructure uh meaning the underground piping and the

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the trunk connections throughout the city all exists prior. So there's not a need to reconstruct you know miles of streets to upsize water mane to a larger trunk size to get to another site. Plus the fact that actually the upon

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evaluation of that site, there is enough room to be able to contemplate constructing the new tower next to the existing tower and leave that tower online, which is uh I would say a very

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large risk mitigation benefit to the city that you don't have in some some instances you have to take a tower offline and you're just that much shorter on storage the whole time that you're building the new tower, right? So the potential approach here uh again as

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contemplated in the study would be to leave the old tower online. Uh there may be some conflicts with uh existing playground or recreational equipment, but I think we knew that that would be a part of it. So that would need to be salvaged and put into storage or

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otherwise repurposed or moved uh temporarily. but build the new tower generally next to the old tower um and keep the old one online, reconnect all of the existing underground water infrastructure to the

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new tower, take the old one offline. Once we have the new one online, then the old one can be demolished, which is a process in and of itself. So that's not, you know, easy construction by any means, but uh dismantle and demolish the

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existing tower, take that offline, and then we have an area that can be repurposed, potentially moving the playground equipment over to that location, or maybe that's something for the council or park and wreck to consider. Well, you know, do we want to make a change from a park and wreck standpoint, or is there some opportunity

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there? That would be something that's not necessarily included in our uh estimates uh for construction cost. Um, but it is an opportunity, right? And I think it makes sense to kind of uh consider that knowing that the opportunity to build a new tower and

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keep the old one online is a a a big advantage to the city to try to take u to take on with this type of project. And like I said, maybe it creates some opportunities for other nonwater related things that can happen separately, but potentially at the same time or immediately after. Yes, council member

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Woods. >> I just had a quick question. Sorry, I >> Oh, totally fine. This is meant to be interactive. >> So, rough estimate, you know, and I know this is, you know, all theoretical. I apologize. I haven't seen the study. Um, but and barring any unforeseen issues,

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what kind of time frame are we talking from start of building the new one to completion of demolishing the old one? >> Yeah. So, that's an excellent question. So, uh, typically on a water tower, you have one year of design and one year of

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building. And because we're talking about then demolishing the old tower afterwards, I guess I I can't say right now for sure that it would all happen in one year from a construction standpoint. There might be some things that spill into year two from a construction standpoint,

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>> especially considering maybe some park renovations or, you know, moving some stuff around from that standpoint. Again, separate from the the the water tower budget. But I would expect um in effect two-year or two-year plus uh from

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a design and construction standpoint. Um, we are just, you know, off-the- cuff spitballing uh, conversations between myself, public works, and Brian. I think we're thinking that 2028 might be the construction year, 2027 might be the

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design year. Uh and we've got an opportunity here depending on when the grant agreements come through from the straight uh from the state to once that's finalized and money is available, we certainly could start some work in 2026, which you know, it's difficult to

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pick up survey information and locate utilities and pick up the paint lines for all the different, you know, uh cellular providers and all the stuff that's in that area. Easier to pick that up like before the snow flies in 2026. uh geotechnical soil boring, stuff like

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that. that's easier to do outside of the winter months >> and really give the design team an opportunity to hit the ground running in early 2027 or whatever time frame makes sense to really start >> uh working on the design so that we have

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everything ready for bidding in winter 2728 so that we are taking bids kind of in a a good time frame where contractors slates for 2028 construction are clean. uh hopefully put together a package that's highly competitive, you know, get

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several good bids and can recommend award to council at that time again probably like we would do with a street project like uh February, March, April or something like that of 2028 knowing that we would uh if council awarded a contract then then they would probably

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get going as soon as uh road restrictions are off which if I had to guess you know it's different every year but that's >> May 1st to May 15th every year is kind of what I would use for a general planning standpoint. There certainly is also with this type just from a timing

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standpoint to further flesh out your question. There's more opportunity for different things like because we are in a res we're surrounded by a residential area there some public engagement. um not necessarily talking about, you know,

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design by committee, but certainly letting people know what um to anticipate, what's the timeline, what type of uh things and when can they expect them to happen knowing that it's, you know, probably across the street. I would think it would make sense to do

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some level of public engagement um for that immediate neighborhood and maybe even open to the general public if they're interested because, you know, one of two towers is a big deal. That's probably just a once in a lifetime kind of thing for the city of North St. Paul, right? So, not trying to slam it all

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into like six months I think is is a good thing, right? that if we can think about and I haven't started working on pre-esign or proposals or anything at this point but at some point I think it makes sense that we put something together for you to consider so that

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again we can at least start some of that data collection like borings survey utility location um yeah all the collection that goes into the process before you start before the designers start working on it. So again,

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they can have the the benefit of doing that in the winter months when everything's frozen up and and snow's on the ground. >> Okay. Um follow-up question to that. Um from a con bidding and slashconstruction perspective, I assume building a water

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tower is a fairly >> um specialized deal. >> Um so there's probably certain companies that do this >> that is that I guess so you're nodding. So that's true. Okay. >> Yeah. Uh so um yeah, typically

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we're going to have a need for references and all the typical things like we would for any project to make sure that the contractor has the resources and the personnel. Uh certainly the uh bonding capacity and uh

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ability to complete the work. Um again from a references standpoint I think we always ask for you know two or three successful water towers that you have built not just kind of contributed on but you know a a water tower that you've

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built similar in scale and scope and we'll check those references with other cities to make sure that you know they don't have any black marks on their record. We could go so far as to this would take some coordination with the city attorney, but there is the ability

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to build in um pre-qualification requirements where you know contractors will have to submit some of that information even before they submit the bid or while they submit the bid. there's kind of a scoring that

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goes on to make sure that they are qualified to submit the bid again based on references or based on uh similar type of work completed for other communities. That may or may not be something that we need to do. I guess in my experience, I've done it several

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times on projects where uh not necessarily a water tower project, but other projects where the the owner, the city is concerned like they don't want to have to contemplate awarding to a low bid, which is state statute, to a contractor that might not be qualified.

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So, when it has happened and we've gone through the effort and work to build that into the the contract or the bidding documents, which is a little bit of extra work, not a lot. Um, but when we have done that before, every time I've been involved with a project like that, I think maybe just having that on

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the front end scares off the the contractors that like they're not going to submit something. And and I wouldn't expect that uh this type of work would I mean, you wouldn't be getting like people that do just miscellaneous utility work or you know, like if you're

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putting a a a roadway project together and you get a bid from somebody who only does driveways, right? like that's not the same scale, right? So, with a water tower, a water tower is a water tower. There's big ones and there's small ones, but we're certainly going to be interested in qualified contractors that have completed that work before. So,

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that's something we consider we can consider. Um, and for the folks uh that I work with at WSB that design and bid and build these types of things um on a more regular basis, I I would probably ask their judgment like, do you think we

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need to, you know, have you seen any bids out there where people are just kind of throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks? And if they're not really seeing that out there, uh, which they may not, then maybe it doesn't really, you know, warrant building those sorts of things into the contract. But,

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you know, we certainly can again as we get closer as we kind of move through the process. That would be something that would probably be determined and recommended within from a staff standpoint uh even before we come to the council for authoriz authorization to go out for

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bid. And if we did come to that determination, I would probably let the council know at that time that that we have built that into the bidding process. >> Yeah. And that's I would say, you know, from my perspective, that's one of the advantages of working with WSB. Um because this is a like you said once in

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a lifetime thing. So it's not one of those things that you do all the time and you have you know history of what you need to do and what you what goes into it. It's just like >> never done this before. We don't know. I mean not that we don't know what we're doing but you know we're relying on your expertise a little bit. >> Yeah. We've we've done many towers. I

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think the most recent one might have been in Wyoming. I want to say that they just built one like that's one one year old or two years old. Okay. >> Yeah. That's a composite one. when I saw it. >> Yes. Yes. And they were they when we were doing our study in 201 whatever

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1819 I think around that time they were kind of studying the same thing. They just I think they had that funded not with state funds and already in their CIP. So obviously that got designed and built a little bit more su uh quicker than than ours but uh again the state

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funding is kind of the the major lever at play here for for moving this project forward in in our instance. >> I have a question too. People have been asking residents when they're walking by asking about the water tower and also on um our up on the north side of the of

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the city up by Indian Way and and Beam. We're on a pretty big hill. >> Mhm. >> I know we're going from 300,000 gallons to 750,000 gallons for the water tower. Is that going to help the pressure? Because I know the pressure when you get up towards that end of town is pretty

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weak. So will this >> Yeah. So we did this >> the right location. >> Yeah. uh both in conjunction with the comprehensive water plan which is a part of the overall comprehensive plan and in this sighting study we did like we do now have a complete water model for the

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entire system that has been calibrated based on pressure readings throughout the city. So, you know, a model is only a model. It's not reality. But it does help us look at different pressures and and run scenarios too in terms of a a different elevation of the tower or a different location of of a new tower,

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for example. Um, the findings of kind of that that pressure study, if you will, which was an add-on to the sighting study, uh, determined that we don't there are lower pressures throughout the

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city. And so I don't want to take away from people's perceptions, but we are within uh 10 state standards for we don't have any areas within the city that fall below um kind of that recommended lowest range of pressure. And I don't want to say the number because I can't remember exactly, but I

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we did look at that. We don't have a pressure deficiency in the city. And once and there is a hydraulic grade line uh out there in terms of where the water level is within the tower. And typically if you have multiple towers and you just

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have one pressure zone within the city in theory the elevation by um like above sea level type of thing like where the water sits is going to be about the same between the two towers. Now there might be some exceptions to that and like even

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if the lay of the land is different again the water elevation should be about the same if you're all within the same pressure zone. Um we did look at well what if the city did separate into uh two different pressure zones? What would that take? Um and it didn't there

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it resulted in no real benefit but for a lot of expense to be able to isolate the north part of the city with the south part of the city because we have three or four only three or four crossings uh of highway 36. So that lent itself to looking at what if we had two different

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pressure zones. Um but it's a lot of additional uh infrastructure and you need to have uh pressure regulating valves at those interface points um for emergency connection but also isolated pressures between the two. Uh and it

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didn't really lend itself to any sort of significant improvement knowing that we're still within that normalized 10 state standards range for uh high pressure to low pressure. And in fact, if I remember correctly, there was some concern because of the topography of the

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city, if we did raise the pressure overall, um that would make the pressure too high in those lower areas, lowerlying areas of the city, which would require uh homeowners to get um pressure reducing valves on their home plumbing, for

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example, coming into the home. So, it was creating problems by solving problems, I guess, is the ultimate outcome, if I can kind of describe it like that. and and so that that didn't really go anywhere, but we did look at it. So, >> will there be inspections of all the

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piping that the water will run through through city streets and that underneath all our residentials that are there any pipings that's going to have to be replaced? >> Y >> in that time frame before they start running the water or

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they'll they'll be able to cap it, I suppose. >> Yeah. So, one thing that would typically occur during the design process would be full leak testing, which the city already does, I think, citywide and I think maybe even annually. Yeah. So, so

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public works does contract with uh a firm or individual who kind of specializes in leak detection work to try to because we have aging infrastructure and if you can pick up a leak, right, >> uh ahead of time, then that's always advantageous to try to help plan projects or whatever. uh maybe preempt

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water main brakes certainly for this area and Tower Park and maybe some of the adjacent roadways because there are large trunk pipes in the adjacent roads that kind of connect out to the system. We'll try to get a handle on if we're

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seeing any leaks. Public works can exercise valves, see if we have any bad valves. All of that stuff is going to want to be determined beforehand to see uh what may need to be included in the scope. But I think it's important to

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remember that um we we should try to not uh succumb to scope creep. Like there always may be things in the street or the next street or the next block that can and should be addressed. But we have the benefit of

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$4.5 million from the state um to address our water tower issues and concerns and some of the replacement of the existing pipes like definitely within Tower Park probably will need to be reconfigured. We may have all new piping frankly and and some of the old

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piping that serves the old tower location might just need to be abandoned or dug up and and uh properly disposed of. Uh that said, uh there will be investigation that goes into that. There may be, you know, we may limit it to just the streets that immediately

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surround the area just so we get an understanding and if there's something that we can build in that again serves the overall purpose of replacing the tower. Uh there's no reason why we can't include that, but we do have a hard stop on the funds. I mean, you know, anything

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over the 4.5, which we think is adequate, but you just don't really know until you get into the the full design. The 4.5 >> with the state is a >> radiator in the car. Next thing you know, all your hoses and everything. >> Yeah. You know, we we've been tracking

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within the CIP and then also working with the legislature what I like to call planning level estimates or CIP level estimates. uh we do have the benefit of the study which did look you know it did a deeper dive but that study is also um

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not quite 10 years old but uh you know it's getting up there in terms and there's been a lot of inflation we had double digit inflation for a couple years from a construction cost index standpoint coming out of COVID so um we have done updates to that but I think once we get into uh the full design we

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whether we're talking about preliminary design we'll probably do an estimate at that point you know 30% through the process. We'll do another estimate at 60%, we'll do another estimate at 90 and 100% right before we go to bid, which is what we do on every project. And we'll be able to kind of track and hopefully

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the city will be able to prepare if there is a little bit of need for uh some city funds, which you know, I can't predict right now, but hopefully we'll get a handle on that and understand um what that number is or uh if anything's needed at all. I mean it could be that

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we are we've got enough contingency built in with that planning level estimate already. That's what we try to do and that's the hope. Uh but once you get into that final detailed design that's when you really know. So more to understand on that in 2027 I

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guess is what I would report to council. >> Um two questions for you if you don't mind and again thank you for all this information. um between the I'll call it traditional and the composite um towers is there any um difference in the capability of auxiliary revenue

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generation to the to be able to support the cell towers and and all the auxiliaries. >> That's a really good question. Um I mean you know larger I can't say definitively but logically larger tower surface area and places to

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affix antennas and assuming that the city is okay with this and the lease agreements and I think that potentially all the existing lease agreements are going to have to be re-examined and maybe renewed or transferred over right so there's going to be some leg work behind the scenes but if you have more

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room to put antennas I think you might have more room to enter into additional lease agreements. And it seems like there's no shortage from the wireless companies. Like they they if they can hang an antenna and if it makes business sense for them, they certainly will. And I think the north tower is kind of maxed

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out for antenna space. >> Oh, we don't know. >> We don't know. Okay. So, I guess I just don't know for sure, but certainly the capacity for additional might be potentially realized with a new larger tower. I don't think it has much to do

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with composite versus traditional. I think it's more of a square footage of real estate really. >> It looks like the composite and the other one have the same amount of space on the top as the shaft that seems to be more. >> It's the support and that mono column or

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whatever it's called that is visually different and the construction material is a little different to get to that point. But you know those towers all go on the top and then the what they call the back hall or like all the facility information uh facilities that are at

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the bottom like the control cabinets or not control cabinets but I don't know just all the telecommunication equipment that goes that that's all at the bottom right and I don't it's been a little while since I've visited the site so you know you can't with a with a composite

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mono column um you can't put anything right underneath it. And I don't think that we allow anything under directly underneath the tower anyway. So, you know, we would just have to when we're sighting the whole area, we're going to want to make sure that we identify the area where we want those folks to be. I

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know there was a lot of discussion about fencing in years past uh for the existing tower and I don't know where that landed but um we would want probably the telecommunications providers to up their game and modernize

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the their ability to screen their equipment you know and there's several different ones I don't know who they are but it could be Verizon and T-Mobile mobile and AT&T and some of them have merged and bought with each other but if we can consolidate things to make this overall all site more

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uh aesthetically pleasing maybe, but also more efficient from a access standpoint and maybe keep those folks separate from people that are using a playground on the other side of the park. You know, I think that's what we would try to achieve. Um the city of North St. Paul has a long-standing

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relationship with KLM engineering who specializes with uh specializes on tower inspections and tower um construction and and some design components and uh also antennas and and uh the city's used them for many many

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years and so they would certainly be on the WSB team to help inform on that. >> Thank you. Um and then this is a major um water project. What are your recommendations if there are any that the city can do different and or better so we're not in the same

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position we were just recently with the introduction to um the bacteria that cause the need for chlorination on such a big water project? Um >> um yeah well so certainly uh as is included in our standard specifications

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that uh you know are used on every city project that I've been a part of. the disinfection protocols need to be followed um we need to have adequate testing um before during and after you know building that tower to make sure

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everything is um meeting standards before putting it online right um there's no need to rush anything because we have the old tower uh in place you know if we follow kind of the recommendation of the study and we're able to follow through on that approach

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so I think just being uh patient and uh thoughtful and making sure that all the tees are crossed and the eyes are dotted with respect to disinfection and testing. That's certainly something that I would expect to see. Um if there's other things that will be looked at

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during pre-esign and design that we can maybe build into the project knowing that, you know, we do not currently chlorinate. Um, I can't say exactly what those would be, but you know, my expectation is that the designers are going to be looking at that, making

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recommendations, and certainly including that. I don't think it's even a question. We should include any sort of things that will provide benefit along those lines in the construction contract or in the specifications or even in how we consider designing it, right? or laying it out for the contractor in

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terms of what we would expect for them to approach it from a construction standpoint and demolition standpoint. >> Thank you. >> Any other questions? I guess one thing I thought of um when we were talking about

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uh additional you know potential revenue generating opportunities. This is different than that but something that is worth considering I guess in um when I was in Rosemont we built a new tower. Uh

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that was 20 years ago now. But um there was a lot of discussion about what color do you paint it and or what color do you want it to be and what do you want the logo to look like and what sides do you put the logo on or the text on and front

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back both sides facing east west all four corners of the compass I don't know right um these are all aesthetic things and we can get um recommendations and I would you know have make sure that whatever the city wants to do that it's an opportunity to be explored

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doesn't cost that much more to put a logo on it than it does to just put North St. Paul on it. Right. So, you might as well consider different designs, different graphics that can happen >> like the sphere in Vegas, >> put some eyeballs on it. Yeah. >> Put a snowman on there. I mean, we can't

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make it look like a snowman, but there's certainly opportunity to do some cool things from a branding standpoint uh or, you know, logo standpoint or whatever, right? A lot of communities will put maybe the name of the city and maybe if there's a tagline or, you know,

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something that they want to include. Uh, again, >> Wyoming has uh horses in the like the old west on their >> Yeah, I think that's their city logo or something similar to that. >> There's a shamrock on Rosemont. >> Yep. Yeah. And the discussion in Rosemont. So, that was a tower that was

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kind of going to serve future development. Um, and it was off of uh Bonire Trail and uh which was at the time a rural road and there was really nothing but rural a land or rural lots

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to the north. It's some of the development had already happened to the south. So there was a lot of discussion about do we even put a logo on the north because nobody's going to see it. There's nobody over there to see it. So you know maybe we should I think that's what they decided. Let's just put it on the south side. Right. So uh and uh

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another cool thing which I would want to try to see if we could build into the design process uh as a going along with that is we can provide uh we call them visualizations but they're basically mockups. You may have you know for architecture whatever

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they'll kind of create a potentially a 3D drawing of what the building might look like from the outside or maybe even you can walk through it. That's pretty standard and easy to do from a water tower standpoint. So, you know, we could pick a few vantage points from like people's front yards that uh are

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immediately adjacent or maybe, you know, uh what it would look like driving down um an adjacent uh roadway, you know, or what does it look like? Can you even see it from city hall? I don't know. But we could, you know, once you have that information in three dimensions kind of

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plugged into the system, you can create a view from anywhere. You can see what it looks like at night. I guess that would be another thing. How do you want it lit at night? Uh you can see what it looks like in the winter time and the summertime. I the, you know, the opportunities are endless in terms of once you get it in there and what you

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want to see or how you want to see the visual impact from different perspectives. So, I think that's another opportunity too as well that um would be fairly simple to build into the project and at the same time provide some nice benefit to the community so they know

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what they're getting. >> I have a question for you. >> Yes. >> Um so that study that was done for was a sighting study. I didn't know how much engineering went into it. So the numbers that they use there is a $300,000 or $300,000 gallon tank now going to a 750. Correct. Is that 750 was engineering

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done on that part? Is is for sure. >> Yeah. So that I referenced uh or previously mentioned the 10 state standards. So we did look at the overall city system existing storage and not just uh you know with the with the ultimate demolition of the existing

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tower and with the new one, how much do you need to add to bring it up to current 10 state 10 state standards? And uh you know the city's not growing substantially. So I'm pretty confident that there's no need to up that number that the 750,000galon recommendation

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would be the size that we'd wind up with. But again, starting the design process, you're always going to do some design checks on that just to make sure you're not seeing anything different. But I have zero information to let me believe that that number would

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significantly increase um if at all. Probably not is what I would guess. I didn't know how far along we were with the M&I development at the time. And one thing I was going to talk about later tonight is uh census information came out from Met Council. I think our

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housing units went up 400 some. I mean, population went up a little bit, but not a lot, but I didn't know if that was enough to change that. >> It was Yeah, it was all kind of happening around that same time if I remember correctly. And so again, you know, we would we have the existing

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water model now. we have some updated uh land use or you know uh generation of of water demand. Um and I don't think it would make a significant difference, but that would certainly be something they would double check with the most up-to-date numbers just to make sure

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that we're in the ballpark. And so, you know, if some nominal amount of storage needs to be added to uh make up for that fact, now would be the time to determine that and build that into the project. you know, we're not talking about changing um

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750 to 1,50, right? I mean, the growth in North St. Paul has been, although it's been fairly remarkable for the city of North St. Paul, in the big scheme of things, we every time a new development comes in, we'll do capacity checks on the

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surrounding sanitary, sewer, and water man. And thus far, we have not uh with those plan reviews for new developments, we haven't identified major things like downstream or throughout the system that need to be um upgraded on the water

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system thus far. So, you know, if uh if all goes well and again, we're we've uh done our due diligence with that study and everything checks out with the more imminent pre-esign and and detailed design on an upcoming tower project that that would all be fleshed out. and we'll

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know well in advance I think especially during the pre-esign process if we're seeing any change there but I wouldn't anticipate anything just from what I've seen with development >> seems really interesting I've seen one being put up in Farable that uh they build the tank down below and then it's

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jacked up into places and they're done >> yeah I it's a fairly unique um construction process and if there there's people that live around there that are kind of armchair interested uh construction observers. It's going to be

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it's going to be something to see for sure. Uh it's not um it's not easy or standard. There's a lot of labor that goes into it. There's a lot of materials that go into it. So, it's going to be a pretty interesting process for sure from a construction standpoint. And there may be, I guess, uh,

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potentially some pre-work, which I didn't, we talked a little bit about, uh, the, um, cellular antenna, uh, cellular providers that have antennas. I'm certain that there's going to be, uh, some need to engage with those folks

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in 2027 as a part of the design process. And um you know they will have the luxury I guess if you will of the old tower staying in place while the new tower is being built but we also want that transfer and transition process to go as smoothly as possible. So they may

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want to start getting ready for it on their own end and do some pre-work even if they're not moving their antennas yet. Right. So I think we would call it utility coordination with private utility owners that might be within a street corridor or whatever uh type of project and this would be no different.

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So those go those folks would be engaged pretty early on I would think probably winter 26 27 to start out with just to hey just so you guys know this is coming in two years and work with us so that we understand what your needs are and you

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work with us so that we can communicate where you want to live on the new project. Um, like I said, how is it going to be screened? That sort of thing. Knowing that we need to finish our piece, and then we can cut those guys loose to be able to what I would imagine would happen because they don't

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want to uh lose cellular service. They probably want to put all new antennas on the old one and then dismantle the old one, dismantle the old antennas off of the old tower before we demolish the old tower so that if they can repurpose that equipment, they can. I don't think it's going to be like pick up the antenna and

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move it over here. That's what I would anticipate. >> One other question that Troy brought up at this year of our Tower Park. There's two buildings. Did those buildings have pumps in them and things like that? Um, see if I can get him up here. There he comes. Because is there going to be

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bigger buildings because bigger pumps or what is it going to look like besides the tower? What else are we going to have in that area? >> No. Uh, those buildings there are are two of our wells. That's wells one and two. So, those would those would stay the same. >> Um, yes. some of the other buildings

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that you see there. Um, one of I I believe it was AT&T is using the one now for their cell phone stuff that used to be a Nexel building. And then in part of that building too is also a backup generator. So all pretty much all those buildings will stay the same.

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>> Generator for the well. >> Backup generator for the well. >> Oh, okay. >> Yep. >> So really quick wise, there's really nothing else. It's all inside the frame or whatever it is. >> Yeah. the the piping that's up there. Uh we don't really have a good map of what's going on up there. So, like

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Morgan said, we'll do some locates, figure out we'll have to do some reworking up there because shutting the stuff off between the wells and the tower. Right now, it's kind of uh difficult. But, so when we get that new tower built, we'll >> I assume it's mostly gravity when it comes to a water tower being able to,

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you know, there's pumping, but there's also gravity in the water. >> Yep. The wells just basically fill the tower. And them wells can fill the tower on the south side of town, too. the way our system is set up, >> 750,000 gallon um tower we're going to have now, do we need bigger pumps or is

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that >> uh No, that that shouldn't change that shouldn't change that. Um it when we need more water or when we need more water, just another well comes on um to to fill the tower. So, we'll have to do some rebalancing. There's probably going

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to be some different valves um that we get that we put get put in. Um when you were talking about the pressures on the the north side of town, um we have been working with our SCADA guy to like Morgan said the water in the towers level itself depending on the heights um

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you know where they're at the towers. So one tower gets you know can basically right now the way our system works um is one tower turns on the well and one tower shuts off the well. So sometimes we have, it's not a problem, it's just

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we can't get one tower um as full as the other tower before a well shut off um because we don't have we can put some electronic valves in to try to help with that so we can get some more height in our water towers or for water storage. Um but we have been working with the

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SCADA guy on on trying to get the most capacity out of that. And I think when we do the new tower and we do start checking into this stuff a little more, I think we'll be able to control that a lot better. Um, by, you know, by doing that, getting some more water in the

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towers to produce a little more pressure. I don't know that if it will help out on the, you know, north side, but it's definitely something that we've been looking into. >> Yeah. And I would add that um although it might be a little out of scope as we

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really do this kind of deep more detailed dive into the design for the tower and obviously you're looking at the whole overall system as well. We might identify some things for the future or maybe concurrent, I don't know, outside of the scope of the the

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water tower project, but improvements that could benefit that either from a control standpoint like a SCADA standpoint or from um or from an infrastructure standpoint. U one of my other clients, the city of St. Paul Park

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had an elevation differential between their two towers and uh through building their water treatment plant, we determined that it would be beneficial to put I don't know exactly what it was. It was like a a a pressure regulating

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valve such that they could the one of the two towers that was always lower, it allowed them to pump more water in, but it wouldn't flow back out as quickly. So again, it just maximizes the amount of storage within their two towers. and you guys have a kind of a similar situation

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going on there. I don't know if it's exactly the same, but we'll be able to flesh a lot of that out with some of the data collection, more detailed design, coordination with public works, and if we identify some things for the future or concurrent, you know, those will uh

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be a part of the recommendation and and a record for, you know, this council, current public works, future public works, right? So we may uncover some some future things that are yet to be determined at this point. >> Can you explain SCADA?

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>> Uh yes, simply it's basically the the uh computer that monitors our system for so the SCADA system monitors our all of our lift stations and then all of our wells. It's all of our alarms. Um so our lift station or so we'll just talk water

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since we're talking water. Um, it basically it gives us a low tower alarm, a high tower alarm. Uh, it they're in all of our wells. It tells us when our wells are pumping, when they're when they're not pumping. Uh, if you know we

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have a lead and a leg pump, um, you in our lift stations. So, if there's higher flow, uh, another pump will turn on, but it monitors all that. And we can monitor all that. It's on our phones. It's on all the public works guys phones. um >> go like you get overnight alarms if

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there's an issue or a problem. >> Yep. If we let's say we have a I don't say we have a water break. Um if we have that and it's a really bad one, it could it could drain the tower. We've had it where drain the tower in a half hour. So

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we get a low water tower alarm. When that happens, everything is set up for uh wells to turn on to, you know, hey, it gets down to a certain we set the tower heights for low level. Um if it gets down to 19 ft, uh this pump kicks on. If it gets down to 18 1/2 ft,

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another pump kicks on. If it gets below that, another uh pump will kick on from another well. So, we have them where it's all set up where there's redundancy where there's always water pumping in your system because you never want a water tower to go low or your pipes to

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go dry because you have to do a boil order for something like that to happen. But that SCADA system monitors all that. And if we get a low tower alarm, we get a text, we get an email, we get a call, and every guy on our crew gets that. it

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goes down in an order, myself, Randy, you know, goes down to a pecking order in there, but every single person will get all three of those things. Um, so we can monitor that. And like I said, it it's a super helpful tool tool. And when we upgraded our SCADA a few years back,

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we went with a new um company. And then the guy that we have by luck, we got him. One of our guys on our crew was at Water School and they were kind of just talking, this company was talking about this stuff. We have one of the best guys around. Everyone knows him. He's very

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well known. He's super knowledgeable with this stuff. He talks way over our heads on a lot of this stuff. But it really helps us um with monitoring everything that goes on. And we have to have that stuff in place. Um, you know, the the lift stations, you know, lift

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stations a low low point in town where all the sewage flows into because our system is a gravity system or are our sewer going out of town. It's all gravity. Um, and these low parts in town flow into a a wet well and then when that gets certain, you know, a certain

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height filled up, it gets pumped up and out. Um, and we've had those where, you know, we have problems with those. If they the pumps don't turn on or a pump gets clogged with something, um, there's multiple pumps in there. There's two pumps, but we get alarms if one of them

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fails. So, we can go out there and find out what's going on. So, >> I appreciate that. What it does is, you know, as a resident, we turn on our faucet to water. What's so elaborate? What's behind it, all the different fail safes, all the different being able, you know, it's pretty impressive when you look at the system we have and, you

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know, the failovers and the redundancy and what happens. >> Yeah. And you know for me or for being you know having to be in char or having to be responsible for the stuff and having to answer to all the residents in town and you know making sure that we have clean safe drinking water making

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sure your sewage goes away when you flush your toilet. You know if one of those things fails a lift station you it could have a sewer backup in multiple homes um you know in that area. So when stuff like that goes off or when you get

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that alarm um you know a low water tower alarm the first thing you're thinking of is what what happened what broke or you know what's going on. So yeah >> it also provides some uh maintenance opport or uh you know it's logging like how long the pumps run and that sort of

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thing or whether it's a lift station or the wells. public works can review that data and get an idea of is one of these pumps starting to burn out, for example, or is it ready to be replaced because the run times are just too long or it's not able to keep up or whatever. They

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they don't last forever and so we can get an idea of when things need to be maintained based on all that data. >> Yep. It keeps track it keeps track of all of our pumping, what we pump every day for water. um you it it logs every all that all that data and all the

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information and it's what I have to report each year to the DNR to the state to the I mean all these different entities I mean they want to know your highest pumping day what what is the most you pumped in a day what is the least you pumped in a day what you what you pump in a year um and it does trends

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all the the ska keeps track all these trends like Morgan said for the water pumping for the lift stations and you can tell Hey, on a daily basis in the morning, you know, the lift stations go off every, you know, 30 minutes, they go

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off and during the day you with when people are not at home, it might go every hour. So, you can kind of see those trends and see if something's going on or what's going on or you know how it looks. So, >> when was the last time you had a pump broke go down? >> A lift station pump.

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>> A lift station pump. Yeah. >> Um, well, it's it's been a while. um for a while your chance >> for 11th so 11th Avenue uh the pumps were going down uh I shouldn't say going

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down they're getting clogged uh a couple times a week and we found out that um there was the security tags from Target >> they were getting flushed down the toilets and they were getting they were like the perfect size and they were getting stuck in our pump

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>> and there we we found like it said multiple times times a week we were getting a pump fail alarm or it wasn't pumping enough and these tags were ended up being the perfect size and they were getting stuck in the pump. I mean, we got to the point where we talked to Target and we were going to

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make them buy us pumps or help us pay for pumps because or, you know, they had to kind of up security. People were going in the bathrooms flushing the >> tags, right? Yeah. They're they're taking the tags off and flushing them down the >> top. And we end up getting a different uh velute at the bottom that sucks the

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water in and it's a different size where those tags weren't getting stuck. And I think they kind of did a little work too on their security where it became it became less and less. But for it was probably gez 6 months where that we really were fighting that and it was

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happening a lot. Um but the pumps are pretty solid. There's two pumps in there. Um, so you know, we do have backup, but they alternate when they pump each time, you know, and there's a certain runtime that we have on each one of them, you know, that we, you know,

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but like I said, you can see that trend and how they how they pump and what they do or how often they need to both come on. Um, but yeah, it's been uh pretty solid right now. So, >> kind of like back in we were younger, the restroom keys were tied to a cinder

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block. Is that what they got? >> Yeah. I don't know what it was and it was kind of like them tags were the perfect size and it would really cause a problem with you know our pumping. So >> that was great explanation. Like I said we just turn it on and it works and we

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appreciate what happens behind the scenes. >> I I appreciate you asking because you know I sit up here and talk about this is something we talk about every day and you know for you guys not not to I'm glad that you asked a question. So, >> and in 20 years I've been talking about

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SCADA, but I've never known what the acronym stands for, so I just looked it up. It's supervisory control and data acquisition. >> Okay. >> But it's the industry standard for basically if there's a lot of talk out there about smart cities right now.

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SCADA was the original smart cities uh thing that that everybody adopted decades ago to try to help automate and understand and control their infrastructure systems whe whether that's wastewater or water. It's been around for some time and it's pretty sophisticated technology truly. I mean

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you you can pull up on your phone or a tablet or laptop or whatever and you can get a graphical depiction of everything that's going on. So it's it's pretty impressive. >> Not a video game, but It looks like one. I'll have to We'll have to maybe

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sometime we can have a little demo of it. I can do it in a workshop just kind of show you. It's really kind of cool. And you know, like you said, they have pictures of the wells and the lift stations. They're generic pictures, but it there's a heartbeat on there that shows each one of the each one of the

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facilities, each one of the wells, each one of the lift stations showing you that it is communicating. Um but you know if we get a lightning strike or if we get a power outage or just something brief it can throw that off and then we get tons of alarms you know that hey

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this is down or communication fail or whatever it might be. So then one of the things where um you know it's given me gray hair over the years where alarm goes off and you're like what is this? But on the on the flip side of that too, it's also a ton of information that we

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can see at a glance and kind of troubleshoot over your phone or your laptop, you know, and and log on and kind of figure out what's going on. So, >> cool. Thank you. >> Yep. Any other questions about sighting or

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tower construction or >> how much earth will be have to be scraped down to uh level it out down there? >> Well, that's a good question. That's why we do soil boring so we have a good understanding in and around the area especially where um you know a lot of

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structural uh weight and mass is going to be added to an area. So, I couldn't say right now if there's soil corrections needed, but um I would not be surprised if uh a lot of non-engineering

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uh compatible soils, meaning non-granular material will have to be uh exported and replaced with, you know, granular material so it could be compacted and so that footings and foundations can be built on top of that. >> Will they have to remove the uh the

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shelter down there? you think? >> Don't know. >> I don't know that. I I don't know >> where it's going to go. >> I think when we're just roughly talking about this um you know, over the past couple of years, I I think they're talking about maybe having it over where

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the playground is right now. So, it it may have to I guess we'll just have to see what the lay of the land looks like. >> Let the residents know it's going to be closed for a while. Yeah, I would expect um you know when we did the sighting study, we're just kind of looking at blobs on a map and and whole parcels,

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but really when you start the design process, that's where we're going to look at >> where exactly um what makes sense from a vehicular access for maintenance standpoint. How are they going to, you know, access both the wells for pre-existing infrastructure and the new

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tower from a, you know, again, public works vehicular andor equipment standpoint? Also, how are the antenna uh owners going to get in and out of there without being too disruptive to the public uh and so that we can keep the site clean and also keep it

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multi-purpose, meaning that I would anticipate that the ongoing recreational and passive green area is going to remain. it just might need to be reconfigured. And so we would want to try to come up with uh a recommended or designed location that's hopefully going

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to be the most efficient uh cost effective from a construction standpoint, but also best from an ongoing operations and maintenance standpoint as we can come up with. Also, would they if these tower or these uh cellular groups uh

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want to put new antennas on, would they be able to attach them before the tower goes up? >> No. That's that's something that happens after >> once they get up >> is erected and >> we have a fully functioning structurally solid and and

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>> probably there may even be a situation where uh we don't want anybody touching it until it's out of warranty. Uh I don't know exactly, but that they're going to want access to it as soon as they can, but we also need to look out for our our uh best interest first. So,

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uh, but certainly I I've I've never been aware of that being attached prior to erection. That's >> I just Yeah, I didn't all they do that. >> There's always access either internal or external and I think on a composite structure, you know, all the access is internal. Um, but, you

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know, you you can walk to the top and usually there's a hatch somewhere and so, you know, there there's the ability to get up there whether it's for antennas or maintenance purposes, one way or another. All right. Thank you all for your great information and it's a great kick off to

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a great project. >> Yeah. Thank you very much. Thank you. >> All right. With that, we have this 619 call for journ till 6:30. So moved. So moved. Council member Woods. Second. Second. Council member McKenzie. All

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those in favor say I. I. Right. See you in about 10.

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call the meeting to order. Let's stand for pledge of allegiance. Please allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisible and justice for all.

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Thank you, please. >> Council member Nordby >> here. >> Council member Woods >> here. >> Council member McKenzie >> here. >> Council member Schwar >> here. >> Mayor Monkey >> here. >> Thank you very much. I got a motion to adopt the agenda, please. >> Make a motion. >> So move. Council member Schwar.

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>> Second. >> Second. Council member McKenzie. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you very much. We're off to the >> Thanks, sir. No presentations this evening. Uh so cons consent agenda is item A May 19th 2026 city council

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workshop and regular meeting minutes. Item B general claims of $653,735. Item C h claims of $21,957.91. Item D, a no change policy. Item E, special event permit for St. Peter's Church bonfire. Item F, League of Minnesota city's waiver for Economic

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Development Authority liability insurance. Item G, letter of support for the Highway 120 and Highway 36 interchange. Item H, Teamsters Public and Law Enforcement Union supplemental agreement 2026 summer hours. And item I, approving

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of training room AV project. >> Thank you very much. Would anybody like to pull anything at this time? If not, >> I would like to pull >> items >> ENG, please. >> ENG. All right. Thank you very much.

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If nothing else, can I get a motion on the rest? >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Normy. >> Second. >> Second. Council member. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you. >> Open to the public. Josh. >> Hey John.

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>> Evening. >> Good evening. >> I missed that. I wasn't listening. Uh uh John Schwall, 2750 Chisum Avenue. Uh I would just like to repeat what uh council member Woods had said at the

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last meeting. I'm not an accountant and I'm not an accountant times two. And the situation that I uh that I don't want to refer to is that the information from the financial officer saying that

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uh we wouldn't we would reduce the rates for electricity and it was not the rate it was a amount off of the uh power adjustment which I've never really understood but who knows. Um, and in

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these times at the chaos that has uh visited energy prices, I know we probably don't run our electricity off of uh oil come out coming out of the straight of Hormuse, but it's all one big picture and there are prices that

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are going up and the thing is is that the reduction is from the power adjustment and I had submitted a data request years back to figure out what the power adjust uh was and were we

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paying that to MMPA and whatnot and yes that power adjustment is based on costs that we've incurred as the producer the MMPA and they pass it on to the city and the PA uh the city passes it on to us

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the the residents. So, how can you say, well, we're going to reduce that amount, that power adjustment amount. That's what we're going to give as a benefit to you as residents. But wait a minute, that you've incurred that cost. How can

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you say that that is reduced unless you have some slush fund somewhere that is you can use? This is, you know, not an accountant plus two or two times. I haven't got a clue as to how you can do

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when you are being charged something and you can say to the residents, you don't have to pay that total amount, but we'll give it to someone or we'll get that money from somewhere else. Uh secondly, the deal that's going on in Casey, uh they're still hauling tonight and they

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still have the pumps going. And why didn't they put pumps in uh three weeks ago when they shut the whole operation down? the dewatering and uh those pumps ran for four or five six straight days to get the water out

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of the area. Why didn't they have the pumps going before? And I talked to one of the guys. I like talking to the guys, you know, they'll give you the straight skinny. And said, "What happened?" Oh, they were trying to get by on the cheap. That was the story.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> All right. Next. >> Thank you. >> Um, city business action items. We have two on the agenda for tonight. Uh, first one up is the division street department's resolution of support. Uh, item A. I'll turn that over to Ken

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Rabbits. Pardon? Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. I apologize. I jumped ahead. We have two that we pulled. >> I >> That's right. So, item E, special event permit for uh Church of St. Peter bonfire. >> Um, so I'm the one that pulled this.

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This is a permit for the St. Peter's bonfire. I would just um really appreciate it if Ken could take a moment to explain because this is something we recently changed and I just wanted to understand it. Um, I was hoping he could explain a did this permit now fall under

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the free or was it paid and b if he could explain what because some of some of these permits I believe now were being able to be approved administratively and not come to us. So I was also curious what on this permit triggered it to have to come before us

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and not come before us. So I was just hoping we could understand what we changed and why we changed it. But I'm I'm fully in support and plan on approving it. Mayor, members of the council, the reason this is before you this evening is because the permit to have a bonfire.

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Fire department's clearly very concerned and very cautious and they may require to be on standby and there would be a fee or potential cost for that. That's the primary reason why this permits before you. But you're

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right, uh, Council Member Nordby, we did change the ordinance. There are some permits that can be approved administratively. We will notify the council, but you don't have to approve them. This one, because there will be some public expense by the fire department, we want

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to bring it before you to make sure you're aware of it. >> Thank you. >> And did did this permit still fall under the free category? >> No. >> Yes, it did. Okay. >> Special event permits for um nonprofits

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are still at no cost. Thank you. I I appreciate you taking the time for that explanation so I can understand what we changed. >> So let's vote on that one. All those in favor for the church permit for the special bird for the church. >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Norby. >> Second.

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>> Second. Council member Swear. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> I. Thank you. All right. Next one. >> Next item is the letter of support for the Highway 120 and Highway 36 interchange. We have >> um I pulled this as well. I was just hoping Morgan could speak to us some about what this truly means. Um, and

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especially because I don't believe there's a finalized project, what a a letter of support means on something that isn't finalized. Just want to know what we're voting for. >> Sure, Mr. Mayor, members of the council, Council Member Norby. Um so what is

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before you is uh simply to approve or authorize uh staff to complete and transmit a letter of support basically for a funding application. This has happened uh just off the top of my head twice before uh for the interchange u

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maybe different councils but uh there have been two past solicitations for corridors of commerce funding that the city council has supported by way of a a a letter of support and uh this is no different although it's a little different program. So this is what is

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considered a a regional solicitation. So those dollars pass through from either the feds or the state and are distributed by by the Met Council um for a variety of different things. Transit is one certainly transportation is

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another transportation projects and the future interchange at 36 and 120 is a transportation project. Um, so the lead agency here in terms of who is contemplating submitting the application, uh, oh, and I should mention that the regional solicitation

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is competitive. So just like corridors of commerce, there'll be an application, uh, information on the potential future project, even though the scope is not totally definitively set, there's enough information there to uh, request additional funding. And the lead agency

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is uh, Washington County. And because we're, you know, 36 and 120 is right on the border there. So, Washington County has decided to take the lead in making the application for regional solicitation dollars for the interchange and they are requesting

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letters of support from Ramsey County, from North St. Paul and also Oakdale. My understanding is that all communities are contemplating, you know, completing a similar letter of of uh support. Uh, and that is a requirement of the application. They they are going to require uh that all the governmental

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bodies that are impacted by any kind of uh regional solicitation type of improvement and this is no exception that they uh sign off with their support of the application letting the Met Council know that they're aware uh and that sort of thing. Right? The uh

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request or the solicitation as communicated to me by Washington County is for $20 million. that does not cover all of the cost or contemplated cost as far as I understand for the interchange, but it is a major component, a major chunk. Uh, and so I think Washington

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County is contemplating um regional solicitation dollars uh combined with potentially county or other state dollars as well too. There's no request for uh city funding at this point. Although if you read that letter carefully, I think there's some language

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uh that just clarifies that if there is something that is, you know, within the city right of way that's impacted that just like we own and maintain that today that we would own and maintain that in the future, even if that does get improved. I mean, one example could be if it extends as far down south on 120

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to the intersection of 7th Avenue and 120. If that becomes a part of the overall project, even though the interchange isn't going to be right there, they just want to know that we're in support of continuing to maintain 7th Avenue like we have always done, even if they put some of those dollars into

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improving that intersection. Right. So, um, other than that, uh, it's a fairly straightforward letter of support. Uh again, $20 million. Ramsey County, Oakdale, and North St. Paul uh were requested to supply letters and Washington County is the lead agency at

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least at this point. Um and so we will have to see how the solicitation goes and the competitive uh scoring goes. Uh we were on corridors of commerce. We were close but not quite above the line for fundable. So uh there could be a

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good chance that uh the 20 million gets funded. We'll just have to see and I don't think we will find out until like the end of this year. I don't know the exact date but uh deadline for the solicitation I believe is June 25th. Um and they take some time to sift through

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all the applications. So later in the year for sure we will find out. Hopefully we'll be able to provide an update if not formally in front of council but by way of the city manager in terms of what the outcome was. >> Question is the city has the city of Oakdale provided a letter as well? Yeah,

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they're planning on it is my understanding. They're I don't know if it's going in front of the council or being done administratively, but I did see an email that uh confirmed for Washington County that they're working on putting their letter together. >> Excellent. >> Could Could you also touch on um because I believe this is going to have some

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impact on the Gateway Trail. Will will the governing body of that need to do a letter of support as well or how will that tie into this because I believe it could possibly impact them greatly. >> Yeah. So that would be the DNR is the um

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authority in charge of the gateway trail if you will uh from a recreational regional trail standpoint. Um they were not included in the uh request for letters that I saw. Um so I don't know that that is a I think it's more looking

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for what um the region considers local agencies which would include cities and counties. Right. So, uh, I think the DNR has been involved with, for example, the 120 corridor study and there's been some interaction between Mindot staff or

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county staff and the DNR, but I can't speak exactly to whether or not they will or will not add a letter of support. They certainly will be impacted, right? And I know that one of the goals uh of the interchange project stated goals is to um maintain if not

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improve uh multimodal transportation which when you hear that that means not just cars right so it it could include mass transit but mostly what they're talking about is bikes and pedestrians and as you know we have a strong interest in um presenting and and uh

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continuing pedestrian movements and bike movements across the highway. way with the interchange in some fashion and even further north uh links into Madameidi and the Lake Links Trail and up along Silver Lake before you even get to that point. So, I'm not saying that the interchange will will build the trail,

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but it certainly will set the stage for north south uh connectivity from a multimmodal standpoint and and you know the the we're still in um it's not even preliminary design. We're still in the very early concept uh discussions of

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what an interchange might look like and what alternatives are going to be evaluated. However, as funding starts getting added into the pot and we get closer to a fully funded project, um those things are going to ramp up, right? and and there's going to be a

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need uh by Mindot or the county or whoever is going to lead the project to really start digging into more detailed design and and so we'll learn more as we get closer and and if there is again a block of funds that is identified through this solicitation that will

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certainly move things forward to a certain extent but it isn't going to mean that instantaneously we're going to know exactly what the design alternative is or what the time frame is. Oh, they did mention in an email, again, this is to be taken with a grain of salt, but the the solicitation has a time frame

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with it. And right now with this application, the funds would be programmed for 2031. So again, that's subject to change, but that's just what Washington County is saying as a FYI right now. >> I remember from our meeting, I think it was March when they did the update with

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us for the corridor is that Mindot doesn't have a budget for stuff like this. It has to be a ground swell coming from, you know, grants and everything else. So that's where it has to be. Yes. >> And um I thank Brian because part of it was they just wanted a letter from the city, but Brian said, you know, we got to bring it in front of the council and,

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you know, have us show support for it. So I'm glad we're able to talk about it and be able to uh continue and, you know, show our our full support to try to get that moving. We we do have that land where the old BP station used to be that we didn't do anything with cuz we knew someday something like this may

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happen. And so we do have a card to play with down the down the line here as well. >> That's great. >> All right. Thank you. >> Y >> any more questions? >> All right. Does somebody want to bring up the motion? >> So moved. >> So moved. Council member Norby. >> Second.

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>> Second. Council member Woods. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you. >> All right. Onto our regularly scheduled >> There you go. Items. >> Uh first up, uh Division Street Apartments, a resolution of support to Ken Roberts, our community development director. Thank you, Brian. Mr. Mayor, members of

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the council, this request is similar to the one you just spoke about. It's a this is a resolution of support rather than a letter of support uh for the division street apartments. And those apartments are this will show it better

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on the corner of 17th and highway 120 just up the road from the intersection in this location. And uh Mr. Uh Ruby is the owner of 612 651 properties. He's made this request of

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the city uh as he will be submitting a funding application to Ramsey County to get assistance to rehabilitate the existing apartments there. >> And part of his application to the county is to get a letter or resolution

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of support from the city. And so he, as I said, he's in the process of buying the property. He's proposing to invest over $200,000 into them primarily in the interior mechanical systems and improvements to the parking lot. He

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would be mis plan is as I show on the screen and in the report keep four of the units with a rental income or with a rent of no higher than 30% of the area median income and the rent for the other

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17 units at 50% of the area median income. So, he will be submitting an application to Ramsey County to get grant funding to help uh make this project happen. The important thing for the city to know is that there would be

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no monetary commitment or contribution expected with this. Again, it's a letter of support saying we think it's as I say, it's a good thing to rehabilitate these projects, >> this project and support it. Uh

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so staff has found that this proposal to rehabilitate and renovate this property is in the public interest of North St. fallen as residents. And we have a resolution uh in the packet uh supporting the application to Ramsey

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County for the acquisition of the Division Street Apartments located at 2726 2720 17th Avenue and 2633 Division Street North. Uh Mr. Ruby is here. Uh be

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happy to answer questions if you have any. want to hear a few words from him about his vision of the property. I think that' probably be a good idea. >> Mhm. >> Sounds good. >> There he is. >> Welcome.

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>> Thank you guys very much for your time and for allowing me to take a few minutes to field some questions. Uh would you like me to maybe give a high level exposition on kind of my vision? Uh so a little quick background and context. Uh, I own 612651 Properties. Uh, we are an affordable housing

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developer based here out of the Twin Cities. Uh, that is one of my jobs. I also work for the Greater Minnesota Housing Fund, which is a affordable housing nonprofit lender, um, non-bank lender. So, affordable housing is very important to me. It's very near and dear. Uh, I'm a big believer in it. Um,

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so this application and this request to you is coming with the purpose of, as Ken was mentioning, uh, submitting to a RFP at Ramsey County. Uh, essentially, they have funds available from various pots of money, uh, local affordable housing aid, uh, state affordable

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housing aid, and some other pots of money for the purpose of constructing new affordable housing, preserving affordable housing and rehabilitation of affordable housing. That is kind of like the highle overview. My intent with the division streets and apartments is that we currently have accepted LOI and we

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are negotiating a purchase agreement. Um I actually just sent it over to the uh seller right now and we will work once purchased to uh renovate each of the interior of the units of the building. There's 21 units

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total. Uh, and I think perhaps, you know, I spoke with the fire inspector who's also rental the rental license inspector, and I think what he said best kind of sums up kind of the state of the building. It's well-maintained, but it's tired. Um, you can tell that it is uh it's inongruent. You know, there's a lot. You go inside and there's different

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flooring from like the living room to the bedrooms to the bathroom, different coats of paint, the cabinets are tired. So, what we propose is essentially to renovate these units while not displacing the residents. So essentially, there's going to be a couple of units vacant at closing. We will renovate those units first, give

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those residents the opportunity to move over to a new unit in the building without increasing their rent, uh, and then continue on with those renovations kind of systematically over the course of a year. Uh, additionally, something that's also very important to me is uh, energy efficiency, uh, carbon reduction.

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So, we'll be installing high efficiency boilers at the building to replace the old original boilers, high efficiency hot water heaters. Um, all lights will switch over to LEDs. Uh, all fixtures will be switched over to kind of low flow, high efficiency, but not like the ones that you use and you're like, why I

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don't get any water out of the shower head? Like ones that are are are comfortable for tenants. Uh, and then we'll also work with other uh providers. Uh, there's something called the multif family building efficiency program which we can utilize to upgrade appliances in the building. Uh, weather seal. So

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again, basically recapitalizing the building and bringing it back to essentially as close to brand new as you can without having a new construction. Uh I've done this project before in other places. Uh most recently in White Bear Lake over at 3637 Bair. Um that is

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an 18 unit apartment building that we have just finished stabilizing and doing the same exact thing. Um we'll be investing some of my own money, some of our own money from the um business and then utilizing money from Ramsey County as well. and then a loan from Bridgewater Bank who is our finance year

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partner who we have a very good relationship with. Questions, concerns, comments? I try to be an open book and make sure that uh you guys are comfortable if you decide to support this. >> Um the exterior on those buildings right now are pretty they're they're stuck if

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I'm not mistaken. Are they going to do a restuckle? Are they going to put some new type of material on the exterior? >> Nope. There's no intention right now to do anything with the exterior. The roofs are new as 2025 uh because there's a big storm and from my understanding there is a tree that fell through the roof of one of the buildings. So those have new

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roves. The exterior stuckle on my inspection is in pretty good shape. Um we'll most likely the only exterior work we'll be doing is most likely some window replacement of some of the older windows that have kind of lost their seals and or are just kind of in bad shape. So, uh, we would most likely also

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be doing some resurfacing of the, uh, or at least, uh, topping the black top there just to kind of make it look a little newer. It's a little bit >> It's a little rough. >> Tired. >> So, >> tired is a great word, right? Exactly. Tired out there. >> Yeah. I think that's the what the fire inspector said is like it's just a tired building.

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>> So, >> my question was more based on the beautifification of the exterior. >> Yes. Yeah. Um so yeah, in terms of beautifification of the exterior, um I don't have plans to paint the exterior right now, but we'll probably do some basic landscaping along the edging. Um you think I kind of low impact kind of

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hostas, uh mulch, other stuff along those lines around the exterior of the building and then some additional work to keep water away um from the uh foundation of the building at this time. So >> are they are they lower level? The second the lowest level that's underground just a shame. >> It's like a garden level. Yeah. So it's

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like partially underground. It's like half underground. Correct. >> I've driven by them for the last 50 55 years. >> When you get that far, we have our own electric utilities. So there are rebates available. Some of the work that you're doing. >> Yes. Ken was nice enough to let me know that and and yeah, so uh we would be

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working with them. And then also since Centerpoint uh supplies gas, we'd be working with them through the MFBE program again to kind of do that comprehensive like look and see what all can we touch there to kind of like make this as new as possible. Nice.

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>> No, it's XL Energy. >> Excellent. I think it's great. >> Thank you. >> Thank you guys very much. >> Excited to see it uh get revitalized. >> Fingers crossed. It's a competitive RFP. We've done well in the past, but always the letter of support from the city. Uh just is indicative of uh kind of another piece of the puzzle that's necessary to

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kind of create a very competitive application. So, thank you guys very much. I appreciate you. >> Plus, you got the dairy cream right there. How can you go wrong? >> I said that in my application, actually. I was like, "It'll be really great just to stop by afterwards or bring the kids by and Yeah. >> Yep. >> Be careful. Just be careful in the driveway." >> Yeah.

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>> All right. >> So, we have a resolution. >> All right. Turn the mic. There's a resolution for council support division. Yep. >> I'd like to make a motion. >> Yes. >> Council member Swear is making the motion. >> Second. Council member McKenzie. All those in favor say I. I.

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>> I. All right. Thank you and good luck. >> Thank you. Thank you. >> Much appreciated. Mhm. >> Second item up this evening is the solid waste recycle and yard waste collection service contract approval. We'll turn that over to Ken. >> Thank you again, Brian, mayor, members of the council. We have before you this

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evening the proposal for the new contract for our solid waste recycling and yard waste collection services. So, as the council knows, we've been uh working on this for several months with uh FA Environmental and our team here at

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the city to uh work through and find a go through the RFP process for the new contract. Our current contract uh ends the end of August 2026. And so, we're we've been in the RFP review process.

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There's been a committee of uh city staff working on this with Chris Churnney, Dan Winnick, Barb Helman, Taylor Lily, and myself. Uh we worked with FA to put the RFP together. Council approved the RFP back in December. We

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put it out on the street, so to speak, to see contractors that would be interested. And we received seven proposals and we brought those to the council in on April 7th for a little overview and review uh based on the scoring and the

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tabulation. It was the consensus of the council at that time to have the uh review team here interview the two highest rated vendors. If you remember, that was vendor A and vendor B on this table with the highest scores.

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So, we did that. We had interviews with the two vendors in May. We had each of them in for hour, hour and a half with the team and we had good conversations with both of the vendors, heard from each of them, uh had good dialogue back

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and forth with each and exchange of ideas. At the end of each interview, we encourage each vendor to send in to the city an alternative pro proposal with prices for bulky pickup services. The initial proposals had some information

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on that, but we uh as a team, as a city, really were stressing that that was an important thing to the city. And so each vendor did do that. And uh vendor B just to for comparison

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uh they were offering four bulky pickups per year at a cost of 75 cents per month per household. Uh that would have included all bulky items including mattresses would not include appliances and electronics because those services

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are available elsewhere. The other the other vendor was tennis and their bulky waste option would allow the each household to set up set out six approved bulky items per year at no additional charge and up to two

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appliances per year at no additional charge. And each of those was waving the uh labor charge that they would have charged normally. Uh and with both of these in any of these cases, uh we as a city need to remember that the

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collection and the pickup is no charge, but we still pay for the tipping fees uh for their proper disposal at the facility down in Newport. So, it's not completely free, but it's certainly at a reduced rate.

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So going through that and looking at the proposed contracts, uh we took a hard look at the tennis contract that was proposed. They would be for five years with three one-year extensions. The garbage and recycling rates will

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increase 3% each year. They are not proposing any proision uh provisions for fuel search charges. The city will continue with the billing and customer service responsibilities as we have been doing. We have the bulky waste component

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in there and most importantly both the city attorney and tennis have reviewed and approved the proposed contract. So when we put it all together, uh it was the team's recommendation based on the rates, based on the bulky service pickup, and I think to some degree the

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success the city has had with tennis that we're recommending uh approval of the proposed contract with tennis for the solid waste recycling yard waste collection. And if so, we have a resolution in the packet

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that awards the contract and allows for the signatures of the city manager and the mayor to proceed. Tennis representatives are here if you wish to hear from them, but that's our recommendation. >> Any questions? Anybody

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>> on my end? I do have a question. How is the city because we're providing we're contacting you as residents letting you know we have a bulky pickup and you all the city is providing us the customer service piece. How are you tracking how many items are being picked up by each

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resident in the house? >> Mr. Mayor, members of the council, that's one detail we have to figure out yet with tennis and we're going to figure that out in the next three months before this starts in September. May I ask you to bring that back to council just to discuss that and see what that looks like?

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>> Absolutely. Because the calls come into the city and then we in turn then contact with uh tennis so figure out the most efficient way of figuring that out of keeping track of you know the bulk pickups and then the appliance pickups that are allowed. So it's a good question >> and abusing of it. Yeah.

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>> Yes. >> I guess I want to say thanks to all the tennis guys that came out and helped the city cleanup on um what was it? May 9th. >> Yeah. That was where all you guys come up last year and this year and that was a really big help and I know our city

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helps and thanks you very much. >> What I appreciate about tennis and I appreciate that you guys are here too, Troy. I've worked with you in the past just with cleanup days. Um I lived in many moons ago I lived in the city of St. Paul Park and we were um dedicated

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to tennis as our provider and what I appreciate about them is they're very small town oriented which provides pretty high quality uh service and I actually called tennis about a month ago and said I was I was actually driving to bring my girls to

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school and just down the hill um off of County Road B and Mcnite there is a home on the corner that has a ramp and the individual is handicapped and unfortunately that they can't bring their garbage can back and forth and your gentleman um it was a male. He went

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up to the house, grabbed the can, brought it down and um then brought it back up and I thought that was the neatest thing to see that piece of customer service out there. Um I've seen other uh employees of yours go above and beyond, too. So, I'm excited that you

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came in and we're competitive with this. Uh, and I'm glad that we are this is at the table to vote on tonight. >> If I could just add quickly, uh, yeah, our staff has been very happy to work with them. They've always had good

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customer service. Um, it's really great to have a locally and family-owned business who has just recently celebrated 60 years of service. >> Congratulations. Very good. >> All right. >> Does that mean you're all 60 years old

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then? to adopt this. >> Council member Schwar. >> Second. >> Second. Council member Norby. All those in favor say I. >> I. >> Thank you. Thank you for your service. We appreciate the >> Oh, yeah. >> Looking forward to the future. >> Yep. Thank you. >> Thanks. >> Thank you.

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>> So, your drivers get uh little pins and bonuses, huh? If we call them. >> Good. >> Yeah. Turn it in. >> Very nice. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, guys. >> Thanks. Thank you.

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>> All right. Very good. >> A lot of good stuff tonight. >> Moving on to reports of city management departments. Um did get the report from Metropolitan Council this week on they do the annual population estimate. This is for 2025. They do housing units and

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households. So um from the 2020 census to the 2025 estimate, it went from 4,984 to 5393. So up of 400 for in the last five years. Um households went from 4,83 to 5,132.

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So that went up about 330. And total population went from 2020 like our signs say coming into town 12,364 to 12,983. >> So 620. So >> just need another 17 people so we can

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hit that 13. Huh? It's like your car waiting for the odometer to flip. >> Yes. Um we got the departments working on their budgets right now. That'll be uh turned in later this week. Then we'll be moving on shortly to the CIP.

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Um city hall summer hours have started this week which is Monday through Thursdays 7 to 4:30 and then Thursdays 7 to 11. We shut down early on Fridays. So just let the public know. Um department's been busy. They're got a contractor working out there at

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Northwood including installations of they're doing the installation of transformers and switching out equipment there. Um they do have a new employee that starts next week. Uh communications, they've got all the preparations complete for the June 25th community event for the uh time capsule

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event. Um and the actual ground digging and pulling up the capsule is on June 15th. Um HR has been working still with uh new hires and job postings uh continuing through Paycom doing a good job with

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that. U finance is working with the new cash payment policy which goes into effect August 1st for that uh no change. Um which just means uh pennies no longer accepted. Uh customers must either pay the exact amount or if they have a

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balance credit it just goes onto their account. Um there is no rounding that happens with it. Um we had a new employee that started this week on Monday for Jackie's retirement. So so far so good. Um department's uh yeah like I said the budgets are due the end

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of this week and then moving on to the CIP. Police department they have the their Motorola system is up and operational. So staff's working just through the minor issues and uh pleased with the perform performance so far. So things are going good. Uh got the car show planning. They're going to make a

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couple of officers available for the car show, which is great. Um, they have sergeant interviews scheduled for next Monday. Uh, looks like they're having seven candidates, two internal, five external. Um, and the police officer

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position remains open for applications for two more weeks. Uh, public works has two additional seasonal employees that they started this week. We got, I think, a couple next week, and then we're at full capacity for the summer help. Um construction on the pond project at

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Casey is ongoing. Uh they're still looking at a completion of July 4th, but that's of course weather permitting. Um 7th Avenue got a good cleaning earlier this week for the car show. Everything and span for that. Appreciate them coming in early and

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doing that. Um fire department has uh fire inspector applications closed tomorrow for that. Um their May volume of calls has reached another record. They had 208 calls in May. Um, and the access control project or

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the new door security systems is up and running. Just a few little things are working out, but uh, it's all in and working well. That's all I got for you. >> All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. All right. Council Commissions, you're

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up, kid. >> Thanks. Um, Parks and Recreation met last Wednesday. Uh, thank you Brian about just mentioning the CIP and that the departments are getting ready for the CIP because Sarah did bring and we got the CIP information and talked

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through just what are the plans and what does the future look like for parks and recck for 2027. So that was the main focus at the last meeting was what do we want um what does parks and recck want to look want to propose to the council. So um good meeting our first uh meeting

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in June. Yes. Sorry, I had to think about what day it was. Um, our first meeting in June will be held at Casey Lake at 6:30 on uh the third Wednesday. I don't know the day off the top of my head. >> Um, so 6:30 at Casey Lake.

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>> Great. It's good to see you're out and about, too. >> Yes. >> Uh, the EDA meets next two Tuesday on the 9th at 4 o'clock here in the chambers. >> Thank you. Arts and Culture will meet tomorrow night here in council chambers.

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>> All right. >> Planning Commission will meet two days from now here in council chambers. >> Look at that. A lot of stuff coming up. General business. Anybody? >> Yes. I um first and foremost want to give a shout out to the history museum.

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They actually did um a story and a meeting on my house. So, that was the last meeting at the history museum. It was a lot of fun. I was invited by Sue Springborn um to attend because they were talking about my house and people

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would be driving past it. Um and it was very interesting. Learned a lot of new things about my home, but also um it was cool to see just some of the structure that I thought somebody put in. It was actually original, but it came with the house. So, um it was really neat. I That

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was a good event to go to. >> It would be. >> Yeah. So, it was You can view it if you'd like to view it. Um, and you're welcome to drive past the house. It's 10 and >> you have cookies. >> Yeah. Well, I do not have cookies, but maybe there's the leftover pecan bars from the event that's that night, too.

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So, um, but I gosh, is it 2020? The house is 110 years old, 115 years old. So, >> um, yes. So, feel free to drive by. I won't I won't promote my address. You can go to the history museum and take a look at it. >> There you go.

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>> Um, the other thing I want to touch on is the uh car show. Car show is coming up on June 12th. It's pretty exciting. This is a big event for our city. We take a lot of pride in it. Uh, we are super grateful for the history cruisers and to continue um the partnership with

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us. We appreciate their volunteering. Um, the way they run the program, it's fantastic. Um, I think it's important for our residents to know that yes, they've decided to go every other weekend or week, yeah, excuse me, at every other week. Um, and they call it

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out online. They're just getting older. They don't have a ton of volunteers. We sought out and found another group, the Invisible Wound Warrior Invisible Wound Project, excuse me, who is a nonforprofit. We are super excited to

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have that partnership to to continue to build off of something that is so exciting in the summer and for our residents and for the community. Uh I would like to personally ask our community and those that are associated

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with the city of North St. call and I asked them to reach out to the city, reach out to the council members if you have any issues or have a lot of questions about these partnerships and our relationships with these partners, please talk with us about those. This is

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why you have the ability to communicate with us. Uh we're looking forward to an exciting summer and an exciting partnership with both the history cruisers and the invisible wound project. >> Very well said. Very good. Thank you. >> Thanks. Uh, when was the polar park? Was that

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two weeks ago or was that before our last council? >> Boy, that's a tough question >> cuz I know I we you were just there. >> You and I were there. I Yeah, we were the council or the folks there. >> That went really well. >> That was really actually a nice looking park in

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>> very hidden back there in the corner. It's a little hidden gem. >> It is. Yeah. >> Great. Anybody else? >> Uh, I've got nothing. >> Okay. >> Just uh Cassie Wells said, um, just one clarification. Is it the first car show this Friday? >> Yeah. No, next week. >> It's the 12th.

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>> No, it's fifth. >> Fifth. >> The fifth. >> Oh, good. I thought we had to wait. >> Is it? >> This Friday. >> Okay. History. Is it the wound? >> History. Yep. >> They're the following. The 12th is a >> Thank you. So, let's Yeah, please. >> The first car show is the 5th and that's

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the one put on by the Invisible Wounds Project. The first one from the North St. Paul history cruisers is on the 12th and >> Okay. Personally looking forward to great partnerships with both those organizations and hopefully a long history. >> Excellent. Thank you for that confirmation. >> Yeah,

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>> I'd like to add one thing to that if I could please. One thing they did make a change. Um they are going to make it open to all years. Um but they are for show cars during that time. So traditionally they were going to do two different times of uh all open up to all

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years. They have now changed that to every u every car show just for the sake that they seems like some of the concerns with the car show were some of the people that were coming in were trying to bring in those newer vehicles and that's where they're head some kind of conflict so they're trying to avoid

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that and just want it to be a nice uh familyfriendly event. So yeah >> and that's the invisible wounds that is correct >> is going to >> any year >> all years >> all of them correct >> excellent >> show cars. Yep. So, I wish I would have my would still

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have my 1985 Plymouth Reliant. That would have been a show car. Um, also the parking lot looks great all striped up and against there. So, our public parking over there on 7th, it really makes that that area look much neater and cleaner. Uh, also on the way

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home today, I saw that the electricians were at the student build home. So, I stopped over and I did a tour of both of them, looked at them. They're coming along nicely. They're very nicely laid out. They're they're nice looking places, so it's going to be exciting to have that done. But yeah, there was uh they did well with the space in there.

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>> And when will those go up for market? >> We're hoping um what mid to late July. >> Yeah, hopefully July. >> And the plan is to do the open house before we put it on the market or put it on the market and do the open house. >> I think the school is talking August.

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>> They push it to August. Okay. Okay. So, that was >> looking towards August here at home. Okay. >> For this for the unveiling. So, that's going to be something to look forward to. Good stuff. >> All right. Our next meeting is June

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16th. If I have a call for >> Troy, I interrupted you, but you were going to say something about general business. >> No, you said you had nothing. >> Yeah. No, I had nothing to say. >> All right. So, all right, everybody. Good meeting. Yeah. Call for German.

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>> What? >> Oh, we had signed up earlier. >> I didn't sign up. >> Oh, okay. >> I had to sign up. >> All right. Come on up. >> My name is Eileen Stever. >> Yeah. Yeah. We'll put on this microphone for you.

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You got three minutes, please. >> Excuse me. >> Three minutes. >> My name is Eileen Stever. I live on the corner of South Avenue and Second Street. And um the city uh has been mowing my yard. It's a very steep uh

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boulevard on the second side, second street side because I live on the hill. And um when that street was put in um I was I'd asked for a retaining wall why we didn't

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get a retaining wall put in because it's very difficult to mo to mow and uh they thought it was prohibitive at the time. So uh several years later I I kept on mowing it. I planted grass and kept on

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mowing it. And one day when I was mowing it, I tipped almost tipped over with my lawnmower and fell uh and uh was a lawnmower running. >> Oh. >> So I came back to city hall to hear to a

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council and told them about something that's got to be done because it's just too steep for for to push a lawnmower. And at that meeting, they decided to uh have the city move mow the lawn after

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that. And they have been mowing it until last spring. And uh then the secretary said, "Well, we're not going to mow it anymore because we have no letters stating that it has to be mowed."

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And I said, "Well, I don't." I looked for a letter and I didn't have a letter either. And um so I guess maybe they just did the somebody in the council told the the public works department that they had to mow the lawn. So they

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didn't have a letter. I don't at least they're telling me they didn't have a notice. And so I'm asking for a copy of that meeting so I can give them a paper in my hand. and show them that that

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they're responsible because I've lost the the person who had been mowing my lawn for many years quit. He said, "I'm not mowing it again as to steep." And now my son helps me mow it. And he said, "It's dangerous.

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It's just too dangerous." >> Okay. Well, we'll have the city manager. So, I would like a paper cop that I could >> send them so that they have it in writing. >> Can that be done? >> I'll get your contact information and I

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will contact you and we'll figure this out of what I will get your uh contact information from you after the meeting here and then we will figure this out. I will we'll figure out what happened and why it's the way it is. Is your address on a South Avenue address or is it a

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>> It's on a It's on a hill, a corner of South and Second. It's a big house on the hill. >> Do you face South? Is your address South or is it Second? >> It's South Avenue. >> South. Okay. County Road. Okay. >> Along South Avenue. When they built put that in, they had all these beautiful retaining walls in on the on the houses

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that were on hills. And uh when they put in Second Street, the new and put the curb in, they didn't have a curb. That was way back in 1991 or something like that. >> Okay. Well, we'll take a look. You know, it's also a county road, too, south. So,

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there's a different there's a bunch of different territories with it. So, >> anyway, they they put in new sidewalks and and um driveways for the people across the street, but they didn't do anything on the hilly side of the street. >> Okay. >> Except the curb. So, Oh, >> we'll look into it.

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>> Thank you. >> Appreciate Thank you for listening to me. >> Yeah. Well, thanks for coming up. >> Thank you. All right, call for adjournment. >> I'd like to make a motion to call for adjournment. >> Thank you very much, Council Member Schwer.

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>> Second, Council Member Norby. All those in favor say I. >> I. We'll see you June 16th, everybody. Thank you.