--------- e e e e e all right okay let's call the workshop for April April that' be nice wouldn't look like this outside for April March 4th to
order roll call please council member Nord here council member Woods here council member McKenzie here council member schwe here mayor mongi here I get a motion adopt the agenda please so moved so moved council member schwe second second council member McKenzie
all those in favor say I I thank you all right we got uh one item with various topics tonight uh Dan's put together a great package to discuss uh some Tiff Basics some general fund budget Enterprise fund budget um and
2026 budget process um and then give a quick Finance update so I will turn it over to finance director Dan winck please well good evening mayor council members I don't know if I've ever done anything quick I don't know where that quick o overview is going to be but yeah
um I think uh couple of meetings ago we kind of talked about uh the tax increment financing or Tiff and kind of wanted to have an update of where we're at there's a lot of information here I'm not going to go through all of it I try to keep it at a higher level and then
answer any questions that uh you may have um but inide this uh PowerPoint and the material that was given to you there's an overview of tax recomend financing how a tiff district is created what drives the need for public financing types of Tiff districts um
Tiff eligible costs Tiff common methods for financing options um and it'll give you uh our Ci's uh districts in their expiration dates um and then um on an annual basis is we have to uh provide a
tiff disclosure so the 2023 is out there they're usually um due August 1st of of the following year and then um we do have uh we did do some uh pool uh pooling of Tiff for uh Tiff districts 42
4446 and I'll kind of talk about that a little bit and then uh the general pooling Authority and then um the city may consider want to consider some time in the future to develop a tiff policy um and then uh answer some um questions
that you may have um Tiff um is a financing tool um that's established by the legislation um to uh help cities um have a the ability to help attract um development within their city um and
there's certain um costs that uh can be covered underneath um the Tiff um and uh the basic principle behind it this next graph really kind of shows it better um the darker green
component on the bottom is is the taxes a parcel or Parcels that are being considered to go into a tiff District Genera in taxes today um and so the concept behind it is is that after you
meet certain qualifications um in the state legislation uses the butt for clause and and basically they're saying that um but for tax increment financing the development wouldn't move forward um and we can kind of give a little example on
on one that we did more recently um in the article uh 7 um development old former Lily um publishing building um but uh that's what's created there um when the development occurs it increases
its value and when the value is increased there's going to be more taxes that are generated in that gray area is those additional taxes the city and the county and the school district will will continue to receive that darker green
throughout the life of a tiff District that additional gray part then gets captured um is all of it is the city portion the county portion the school district all of it is then sent to the
city and then that's what goes to pay off um any of the debts um and we'll talk about different financing options but to pay off any debt that's associated with that Tiff District until the Tiff um obligations the debts are
all paid off once that's all paid off Andor um if the Tiff expires because they all have limitations of how many years they can be out then after that point then this the jurisdictions the city and the the school and the um in
the county will all then benefit by The increased value and the increased taxes then they're all shared again and if you can remember we get approximately a third um um of the taxes that are generated on a on a parcel um as
compared to the county and um city or uh County in the school district um so how is a tip District created there's a project area a development District um where a portion of the tip dollars can
be spent um with limitations again there's has to be qualifying costs and we'll get into that in a little bit and then um there has to be a specific um project within that overall um development District I believe the city of North St Paul is is created in a
complete development district and then there's subdivided into specific projects for a a definitive specific project of a tip District itself um there's a tiff plan that is developed and needs to go through approval there's
a budget there's geographical boundaries um there has to be a purpose there's a public hearing process to it and then eventually gets certified as a tiff District uh what drives the need for public financing it's kind of again if if you're looking at a developer coming
in um they're going to be looking at at coming in doing a development looking at all of their costs all of the potential revenues and they're going to be looking at does this still give a decent return on investment um if it doesn't because
of something that may be with the property itself some extraordinary R Redevelopment costs in other words the site has a lot of soil contamination to it and there's going to be a lot of increased costs if they were to B Bear all of those costs themselves they would
turn around and say we're not doing this development it doesn't make sense to us um there can be um extraordinary affordable housing costs there can be um you could have a a a property owner that holds out um because they want to you're
trying to acquire that property um but the land price is too high um again to make it a feasible project for them and so that's where you know the Tiff could end up helping out um in acquiring that property uh the
development needs uh more than it can pay for um there's oversizing of the utility and infrastructure for future growth so those are qualifying components to it that can be utilized for um qualifying costs um the developer wants list risk and more return than a
typical Market condition um dictates um in just Market competition so it's really how do you attract a developer to come in um and again and they're going to be they're going into it looking at us you know in their mind some sort of certain return on investment and if the
numbers don't Jive um then they're going to end up trying to look for some sort of Public Assistance through the Tiff um there's different types of Tiff districts there's the economic development um that has an eight-year maximum term there's housing that has a
25-year maximum term term there's a Redevelopment that also has a 2 5 year maximum term a renewal or renovation um has a 15-year maximum term and there soil conditions that have a 20-year maximum term some of those eligible costs again
are public improvements but they have to be project related um they can be streets sidewalk sewers water on the um right on the site or adjacent to it um the land acquisition costs because they may be higher than than normal soil
correction and site grading site preparation and demolition relocation costs cost of qualifying housing financing fees capitalized interests and administrative costs um those are eligible costs underneath um that can be
reimbursed through uh the Tiff there's financing methods there's upfront um and upfront would be where the city would be the one who would be paying um those costs um the uh a
district that we um have um upfront costs that we went out and bonded for uh the Centennial um is one in which we bonded um for the street components that are up in front there and some of the extraordinary site work that needed to
be done um there's also interfund loans we do have interfund loans on um uh some of the anchor anchor block um North housing housing and anchor block South soils and
that's an interfund loan um that was approved by city council um and the funds came from the electric fund um and it's being paid back over time through that tax increment financing now an upfront cost the risk
is on the city um and so if by some chance the value of the property doesn't go up as high and it doesn't generate as much taxes you still have to pay the debt you still have to pay the bonds off um and so what you try to do in that in
those circumstances is that you will make the developer have a minimum assessment agreement in other words you say this is the minimum value of that property so if values go way down that always stays can never go below that
number it can go higher but it can never never go below then you're more guaranteed that you're going to be generating those property taxes however you're still at risk if the property taxes aren't paid you still have to pay the debt my pref my preferable way of doing
it is a pay as you go a payo note um and that's where the project is financed upfront um by the developer so they cover all of those costs the city um enters into a a payo note with the developer at a certain set interest
certain set dollar amount for the project costs which have to be verified that they've actually we get all it's like an open book we get all of their expenditures to justify that they've actually spent that amount and then the Tiff money then goes and pays that um
and usually it's set up twice a year it's us some some time frame sometimes it's um February 1st and August 1st um some of them are um end of December and end of June um so they're usually paid twice and so
and they correspond really with when property taxes are coming in because property taxes are due primarily twice a year um and the developers then reimbursed over time through that increment now in this case if the increment over the life of that Tiff
District never gen generates enough tax increment City doesn't have to pay anymore the developer just doesn't get all of the money that they would have been entitled to with the interest uh when it ends it ends um so they're at
risk moving forward with this and this is a good example of the most recent Tiff that we that we did um that uh with the former Lily um publishing U building
that's now known as the article 7 that um we were approached uh by the developer um what's nice about it is that we get to see all of their anticipated costs We can question any one of their estimates um we can request
them to show us the quotes that they've gone out in the market um and where they're at um that we get to see how they're projecting their revenues um estimating number of of units that you know per the units that they're they're going to be building what would be the
market um rate for those so we can kind of look at all of their revenues and at the end of the day um with interest rates um and and a you know a capital return on their investment they're going to say yes we
can make it on our own or no we can't make it on our own um and there's a gap here um and we would need to have additional money because of site remediation it can be um we're building a um an under uh ground parking ramp um
and that's you know a big piece here in this city because there's not a lot of parking um but that qualif that's a qualifying cost um that the Tiff could could end up um you know covering and so in that circumstance they they came and
and I got to give a lot of credit for the developer Mr uh is it lavel LV um he was very honest open uh straightforward with us we had a whole team when we first met with him to go through all the numbers he came in by himself he didn't bring an attorney with
him he didn't bring anything he was very open showed us everything um tried to make it work um the best that he could without requesting any additional funds um it just wasn't there it was the timing of it interest rates were on their way up um and so he did um just an
excellent job of working with the city and trying to make that development happen um we entered into a tiff agreement with him um it's a payo it's a pay as you go um he also um to uh help the financing side for himself he
entered into a minimum assessment agreement to kind of remove some of that risk for the you know the finance the bank um instead of the city um so this year I believe will be the first year we'll start to receive some increment um on
that property um a little bit too early to see where we're going to follow out but we should end up being pretty good on on that um tax increment District that um that's the article seven that was just um just completed now is any of
the properties on anchor block or that storage unit there none of those are Tiff are they they are yeah I'll I'm going to I've got two slides I kind of give you um here's kind of our the Tiff districts that we have
um and have had um and there's pen Place Charles Street um reflex which we desertified in 2022 uh there's senior housing m& homes um anchor block South there're seventh in Margaret which is Sentinel um anchor
Block north um housing and then commercial and then the Lily building Redevelopment is how we named it um Brian can kind of give you a little bit more information um on where these are um for your references so I'll just take
a moment so Brian can kind of give that kind of information um on these districts that's the DU building where Jubilee used to be it's Char Street
built if it's got a Charles address I think it does yeah it's kind of angled off 45 off the corner there so yeah yeah so pen place that's uh um that included all of those town homes along
with that apartment complex uh Charles Street like we said is uh the de building um the senior housing that's the one on Helen um the m& homes is on the uh South Side
that's all the homes that are anywhere from fourplex to five plexes over there um and then Uptown Commons seventh and Margaret as you know um thanker Block North housing is the uh large apartment building that's down there and then
anchor Block North Commercial um that ended up being did it a large soil correction down there um I mean that that had been 68 ft deep and as big as a football field I mean there was a lot of soil changed out there take that all that right and then as you know the Lily
building or article 7 is that last one there so this is the annual disclosure um for 2023 um and kind of give you a little bit of how we financed and then kind of what we're looking at um for potential times when um these could be paid off if
they could be paid off early um the first one the pen place um um that's financed through bonds um and um the required Des certifications end of
29 um our bonds run through 2028 um so that'll be out there uh for a while um uh Tiff uh 44 Charles Street um bonds and the bonds coincide with the
the date of required decertification of 2032 um reflex was decertified um Helen Street um the senior housing um it has a desertification date uh at the end of 2041 I kind of did a projection based
upon what we received in tax increment this past year in 2024 um and I see it that we possibly could be done with that at the end of 29 instead of 41 um the anchor block South
Housing um that's has a payo note onto it um and it looks like instead of 41 we probably could if again I'm taking the Assumption we get the same increment we did in 2020 4 um we would be able to be um paid off pay off the payo note um
2030 end of 2034 um the um North St Paul Apartments um the Tiff 48 um there's bonds that are associated with that the bonds go out to
2047 um and then the north block or anchor Block north housing is a payo and an internal um fund loan um that one the payo should be
done about 2039 um little trickier and I didn't have time to go see how if if that would correspond with our inter fund loan um to be paid off so it's kind of tricky to find out when that one's going to be done um the anchor block South uh soils
um is completely an interfund loan and that one instead of 42 um looks like about uh 2040 so um some of them can Sunset a little bit earlier just out of curiosity Dan that U that internal loan for that
was that strictly for the intersection there with the traffic signals as opposed to the um building itself do you remember well it's not for the building prior to it so for
okay what happens these businesses that are under the Tiff go out of business what happens do the uh Bas that in there do do they have to cover up their tax money that they owe you know like the uh
oh sorry um like the uh storage units down there what happens if they went out of business well um I don't believe that any of them have a minimum uh assessment value onto it and that's again the part part of that property tax um if they
don't pay it right that's why a payo note you know we're not at risk um but if we don't get the increment in um the interfund loan doesn't get paid okay um the interest will keep accumulating um but we won't be getting
paid so we have a we have risk in those components like that um and then obviously if the taxes aren't paid and it goes through a certain process I think it's 5 years of delinquency then they go into judgment um and so forth um
you know as time moves on there's always the opportunity when a business goes um uh you know out of business that um they may end up um uh trying to get an abatement of taxes um which I think you
can go for the current and three prior years um and try to do a petition for that and so they can reduce that which then could end up hurting us in those Circ this would be the same like for Polar Ridge also right yeah okay yeah and and and that's part of that risk
piece to it and that's where if it's a payo note it doesn't hurt us um but if it's you know anything that the city's carrying the debt um then you know there there's always a risk that's associated so far everything's been good playing
out good um and so hopefully that'll continue Dan um if there is a minimum assess value is that tied to the life of the Tiff yes y um there was some special legislation
um for those council members who were um here at the the time that we exercised um it allowed us to do some um pooling um we pulled um some excess funds that are in four 42 44 and 46 um and um I think we pulled about I
think $1.1 million 1.2 um and then it allows um those funds can be used if it's to provide improvements or loans or interest ratees subsidies or assistance in the form
there's some criteria there in the middle um and uh we did use approximately about $800,000 um on the article 7 um we have $400,000 that's still in that diff it expires at the end of this year um if whatever funds are not used they'll
revert back to these Tiff districts so if we were when I look at like uh Tiff 4042 even though it's going to be out there a while and we have a pgo note we are accumulating more Tiff than we actually need so at the point in time
when that um Tiff District gets decertified whatever remaining funds H has has to be returned to Ramsey County and and then Ramsey County will distribute it to all of the you know taxing authorities the county the city
will get a third of it um the school district and so forth um we had a little bit extra when reflex um was decertified um not a lot but um and then it'll come back we get a third of it that'll come back to us but we're required then to um
report that and and send the money to uh Ramsey County when we dis certify um there's some general pooling authorities that are there depending on the date of a of a tiff District that you know can allow a certain percentage
um of increment to be pulled um for other future uses we really haven't exercise that um you know in the past um but there are some that are available um that's where you when we start to get into there's a lot of technical
components that are there and that's why you know we do have a tiff consultant that will assist the city when we go through some of those different components and that's where at the end of the day that the city May at some point in time want to look at developing a tiff policy and many cities do have
Tiff policies um you know it kind of will be a guiding um document to be able to know what projects should move forward you know it may be a recommendation of what type of funding sources um that the city
would be uh has more of an appetite for again I keep saying I'm I'm more in favor of a pay Go versus in the city inuring the debt um for a developer um but those are just some things for the future for the city to think
about so that's a kind of a highlevel look at Tiff um and and open it up and welcome any questions or and I'm G to be on the Eda and I'm just I'll be the Leon I guess is it going to be advisable that
we proceed with more Tiff projects again collectively that's that's a city council's decision um and it really comes down to the the business sense for the city um if there's um a development that would not happen and
the city believes that it it has an opportunity to really spur on maybe additional Economic Development um bring in jobs bring in whatever the case may be and those were where the policy would help if it hit certain criteria then
it's you know it gets rated higher than others um but yeah I mean it's a it's a financing tool again I would look at it as let's do pgo notes with it versus um the city going out in bonding um the
city does have a lot of debt for you know a debt ratio for for a small city so we don't want to be using up some of some of our um General obligation you know Authority and Rule room um for a developer to come in but again if it's
something that it's a once- in a-lifetime um type of opportunity for the city um you know then you then you may want to to to issue debt ahead of time um that I mean that's to me it really comes down to what does it really
look like on the the the development and what's what is it going to give the city in the long run for the Margaret Commons across the street that's why that building's still there to keep us qualified for Tiff is that correct if we use it or not but corre
something to be torn down correct the uh the AL Dennis office right yeah AC the street here yeah it's already been determined as blight for that re that reason yeah so that property over to the driveways into re influx whatever the school in in there
that whole property is available for a possible correct yeah we rezoned it this year so can have it one one p instead of there was five there because it was so small we want to have one one large one yeah well that's what I'm hoping to build up this year or next year next
year whatever any other questions on Tiff all right let's move on to the next one I think the next one we're going to look at is um kind of give you a a look at um how we're ending 2024
um there are still some um adjusting entries that need to be done we're pretty close to everything um Capital um hasn't been um I think at the time I put this together Capital hasn't been put into a depreciation hasn't been celed
onto it um there's still uh I think pension uh liability journal entries that need to be done which hit Enterprise funds um and then there's um uh compensation absences uh there's a new gby change um that has not reflected
again doesn't won't hit the general fund um because it's notes for the general fund but it will hit our Enterprise funds so how did we how did we do in the general fund I I've got us right now that we're over a million dollar in Surplus um from the 2024 budget and I
know how did we do that well it's combination of some additional revenues and um expenditures so I'll kind of give you kind of a an explanation on approximately about $910,000 worth of that million dollar
and so we've received additional grants um and a higher amount in police Aid um than we had estimated and and knew that we were going to get uh to the tun about $161,000 uh market value adjustments and
investment income um because we conservatively um budget those numbers uh was approximately about $170,000 above where we were at um that's on the revenue side so that comes to about you know
$330,000 to the positive and then if we look at uh the Departments um Administration um had a decent Savings of a little over $100,000 really is attributed to um uh
Savings in uh legal services and uh use of Consultants um from um past years um finance department had about a $71,000 savings and that's because we've had we've run uh a vacant um accountant position since early part of April of
last year um police uh had approximately about $24,000 savings um even though we paid a lot in overtime um we still see a significant savings and this because we pretty much averaged about four vacant
positions throughout the whole entire year um EB didn't flow but pretty much stuck around that that area there um Street Maintenance had a a little over $100,000 uh savings um part of that is
due to um what we budgeted in for the number of Summer help um uh we didn't have as many as those so that's something that we can look at and tighten up again um in uh this next budget year um and then they had save Savings in their uh motor fuels and um
salt um and that's because we had a pretty mild [Music] yeah like this and then uh Park maintenance had approximately about a $58,000 savings again the summer help um and then um
didn't uh spend compared to historical um in their materials line items um so um our expenditures and those items are monit about $580,000 kind of shows where we're at about 910,000 of that
savings what this means is that um we're sitting good in starting off for our next year budget now part of that um I'll use it as a million uh that million dollar savings um part of it will have to be retained um in fund balance for
the general fund as our fund balance policy requires uh that we try to achieve a 50% of the subsequent budget year so the 25 budget went up so we're going to need something to be held over
there what is going to be left um then will be brought back to city council as we go through the budget process of how we want to utilize that we have to remember it's onetime money um means that it can't it really shouldn't be
utilized to offset oper ongoing operational cost because once it's gone then you've got this big leap in levies um it really should be utilized for things that we've been working on um in the past three years basically our infrastructure our streets um our
facilities um our parks and so um when we work on the budget um Brian and I will present recommendations for City uh city council to consider um and it'll be up to you how you want to do that so one of the the quick just looks at it is
that we've been putting dedicated increase in Levy for facilities and streets um we should be able to reduce that but still keep on our plan um by utilizing some of that savings and being able to take care of those INF those three
infrastructural areas um but that's that's good news um uh that uh we're in there um again Brian's done an excellent job um he's uh I think at least two if not three times in our department head meetings he has told all department
heads that this upcoming budget that um we are going to do our darnest to hold down our Levy increase um and so um uh department heads have responded very favorable to that and they're already starting to to look at um ways that they
can be able to cut back um so um more to come on to that when we move into the budget I also kind of want to just show you how we how we did um on our Enterprise funds um because those are the those are
the bigger um the general fund and the and the Enterprise funds are the bigger ones um the water um fund um so if you in in these formats the the First Column is what was approved or adopted for the 24 budget um the next column will show
you what um the actuals again there's still some journal entries and so forth that so these numbers are not final they're un audited at this point um and kind of show you where we're going to you know our positive or A negative um how we did um and so this fund the
water fund shows that we that we based upon where we were projecting we were projecting that we were going to increase our F balance about 682,000 looks like we're going to increase it about 737 or $55,000 to the better um if
you look a little bit closer onto this you can see that the water um the charges for services for water um were $255 under budget um that's because we had a a pretty rainy summertime um so the
water usage was not as high but we offset that um by uh definitely um increasing revenues on the other revenues which is basically um $246,000 is investments in market value
adjustments so again that that has been last year and this year have been really big huge driving factors for us because we don't budget um all the way out on our investments um and so that allows us to to be in a better position um and and
with the interest rates that we've been receiving uh the last couple of years um again I think this year total and we're again I think even higher than last year over 1.2 million in in in uh investment income um that we've that we've gotten
uh the next one waste water um you can see again everything tracks pretty good on onto this again the other revenues are up um again there's market value and um income um investment income that make
up uh 130,000 over um our uh budgeted amount and then we got connection charges um which are whack and Sack charges that come to the city city um primarily because of article number seven um going so it's not something
that we can rely on year after year um but that was uh 112,000 of that so that shows kind of where where that um increases came um again um we're outperforming where we're at budget when
we look at the bottom line uh $263,000 um so again another good news on those um which I'm hoping with these positive numbers that we're seeing that we won't have to change rates in our utilities um coming into this next budget
year uh the next one the electric fund um again uh not uh not a lot of electric usage um in in compared to Prior years um if you look for that look at that charges for services down um almost $720,000
um but again other Revenue um market value and investment 4 112,000 over budget um penalties which we didn't budget penalties because that was the first year of having penalties um 123,000 and then processing fees of
$130,000 um so basically makes up that difference you'll see on the expenditure side um that there's a big savings in the contractual Services um that's due to again U their electrical usage of what we pay to mmpa we didn't have the usage from our
residents we don't have the pay on the other side to it so even though the revenue is down so is the expenditure side to it um again um this one performed better than where we're at and if you remember um we transferred um 1.1
million out of this fund um to start our um pavement preservation program um so we were looking at having a a negative uh change in our fund balance of about $1.1 million um it looks like will only
have a $300,000 reduction um so we we looking at about $800,000 to the positive to where we were at from a budgetary standpoint so again um good news um surface water um again uh the
biggest Revenue difference again is due to that market value in in investment income um basically makes up that whole $168,000 um and then uh there's uh Savings in um Capital uh there was what
was on our CIP plan for uh some pond dredging um did not um happen um and then um our payment Rehabilitation project um is not totally complete but um it looks like it's it's will remain underneath what was
estimated in the budget um which we budget our pavement preservation numbers kind of at a higher estimate um based upon what WSB um gives to us um and so there wasn't as much surface water which is
good news because this is this is the fund that could end up being in the the biggest TR trouble because you can see you only have a budget of a million dollars this is the one when we were looking at our financial plans that really needed a lot of help so this is really good news to to
see um and then Solid Waste um basically the the garbage pretty much in line um the same thing with our fiber optics if I keep up this way you can see they're they're pretty much we're right in line with what we budgeted um only you know
like $4,000 difference so that's kind of how we we uh did on on our our major budgets for 2024 again good news um and um I think it puts us in a really good position to um lessen uh and the the
burden of of increases in Levy for in and rates um for our residents moving into the 2026 budget any questions yeah where does that oh no go ahead um where does that fiber optic
fund where is the fiber optic located that you're drawing the revenue from uh the revenue uh we have long-term agreements with Oakdale Maplewood I think those are the two jurisdictions so we get money from them
and then we also charge um our departments um it's a a charge for for their utilization of the fiber so this is through the electric Department then no um it's its
own fund okay um uh you'll you'll see later on uh when we get to the finished audit um and the auditor comes in does a presentation this is one of their concerns and you'll see why is because this has a negative fund balance um of
over $2 million um and it'll take us probably 20 some years to get to a break even Point um onto this and there's a historical component um to all of this of why this was done at one point in time but it
never um came about to the main the lines are that are in the community Center is that part of that fiber optic then yes Dan um on the Enterprise funds there is a line item under expenditures on all
of them um debt issuance and interest can you explain um that line a little bit more in detail where I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around and I'll just take one example is like the electric fund
how were we able to transfer a bunch of money out of it but if we're still paying interest on debt um does that make sense where I'm getting confused well there there's bonded debt um in each one of our funds
well not all of our funds um it's in the electric water waste water and surface water and so the electric um had a bonded debt um um uh it was a buy American bonds um related to the public
works facility um that just got paid off in February so you won't see that going forward into the future um so we didn't have an opportunity to even though we have the money to pay it early um some bonds you have um the ability to do that
some you don't um some if you pay off early you pay all the interest moving forward and it just uh so we look at U get ahead of myself here so we look at that um every couple of years to see if there's any opportunities to um maybe
pay them off or um to uh uh go back out um and reissue and then pay those old bonds off maybe the interest rates are better um anything the savings um we looked at it this past year there wasn't anything across the
board that that was enough for us to be able because there's Bond costs that are associated with the Dos at those costs um so um no opportunities but in the electric fund um you will not see that anymore um it's fully paid off so um it
still has a huge fund balance um and that's the reason why it was recommended in city council approved to to basically transfer that money from uh electric um last year um in 24 um to get going on the
payment preservation I is is it typical for bonds to have penalties or or not to have bonuses for early payment for for City borrowed debt um yeah okay yeah it's just yeah most of them do and most
of them you can't call until you know the latter years of the 20 years and that stuff so every every circumstance we have to look at usually uh you can't call a bond in this first 10 years um you may be able to call it later on um
these bonds particularly in the electric because they were bu um build America bonds um we uh get um a good sizable of of that payment of the interest we
pretty much get it all back um I fill out a form on an annual basis and I pretty much get a good chunk of it back from from the federal government so um that at the end of the day has a very very low interest um so
the truth to it is um what we're doing as an investing um in the fund balance we made more than what we paid on interest of those bonds and is that the same on the debted bond for like the street projects and stuff too are you able to get or is that um specific to
Enterprise fund bonds um those other bonds are not build America bonds um they're basically General backed up by the general obligation but they revenue bonds that were most of them were all tied into
Street projects and so again we look at them right but are you able to get refunds on that interest or no okay no because that was just something that was part of the build American bonds okay thank you any other questions on those before
we move on um and then the next topic is kind of just get your thoughts um want to spend a great amount of time but get your thoughts on the 2026 um budget process kind of open the discussion um I'm going to provide a a
schedule um and then kind of seek your direction um this is a a budget schedule and it's very similar to what it was done last year um although last year we kind of felt fell off schedule a little bit uh U cuz we were waiting for some of
those like the you remember the facility um assessment um and so forth um but uh you can see with the aster those are the number of um City Council meetings whether they're a workshop or a council meeting that we would have um and so
really kind of want to look um to you for your direction to we want to have that many meetings I know there's been some discussion um about kind of um setting up um what we're going to have in different workshops throughout the year so city council can get some
different issues addressed um we're taking you know the budget takes up a lot of those spaces um and so it's just kind of opening up for a discussion of of what your preference is many cities um do not have as many meetings as we do
um you know there may be three before they certify their maximum Levy um and it's basically it at a very high in um the um maximum Levy is is done in SE middle of September um so if you can see we'll
have uh scheduled seven meetings um to get there and it's usually you know it's the city administrator city manager um presents a budget you know with the finance director um we'll tell you what the levy impact is city council will
really look at it from a high level and is that acceptable are not give direction to um staff the um in our case the city manager and staff um to come back at a maybe at a lower um Levy um
it's then on us to come back um with to meet whatever um is set by city council and if it ends up having some sort of impact on service then we need to let city council know that um and city council has the option to either hold
that lower Levy or to add it back back um and not have as many meetings um but again it's totally up to your preference I'm really looking for more Direction and thought um on on your part of what your comfort level is um because
ultimately you make that final decision so we look at this here now where would if we do cut back where would we start in as far as it start with the staff and everybody else going through the first like the July ones and everything else getting everything
prepared and then come back to us when September is that what you said well I would I would say we you know we we probably come and and and do early August yeah we probably would give
you general fund we'd probably give you a preliminary on every budget um all at once it just wouldn't go through a lot of great detail it would be more more of um do you have questions and we would have staff here to answer any questions
for any of their budgets and then seek your direction on is this acceptable or not or we have more work to do um and then if that was the case then we would come back probably the first meeting in September with have we met it have we
not um where we're at and then the second meeting in September we would turn around and um certify that maximum Levy doesn't mean that there can't be more meetings after yeah you remember it's the maximum Levy it certainly can go down but it can't go up from that
point so like the one is June 3 city manager budget presented to the council so that would be one we would still have but the preliminary would be done by staff and everybody else before that well we would push that that would that preliminary one would probably be we
would we would put everything all together and have the city manager budget and Enterprise and everything else together in like that ear early August move date I'm just trying to see calendar would look like I I like that idea like that so that June 3r bringing
it down to August I mean I think that's I like that idea I like to cut as much I mean when we first started it was six months of budget conversation right that's a lot um and if we can cut that
to four months or I mean whatever ever that looks like I would like to see us cut that more and have less special meetings and I'm sure you guys feel the same way I mean you're here all day and then to be here for special meetings I'd like to see less of that too and how can
we do that um as you're looking for our guidance we're also looking for some of your guidance I mean I can't speak for everyone at the stand but I would like to see what what kind of guidance can you provide us and say you know what technically we could cut here we could cut here
um yeah no I I think that's pretty good so for for me I I probably would have one additional meeting and it sole purpose of it would be on CIP which I think is important yes I I you've heard me say it over and over again yeah it's a big driver so I
probably would have that um and and probably have it like the July 15th and then the August 5th would be all of the budgets um taken into uh you know um it would incorporate the CIP into it it has
in the past and then um basically by the September 16th we kind of really are done with a lot of well well with the budgets um after that it would be if city council had the desire
to relook at something um so to me it would be the concerns of um the levy didn't get as low as you you thought it would you still want to work on that um certainly would do that um if there had been um potential increases in in
Enterprise rates on you know Water waste water whatever you want to go through that a little bit more um would certainly be the opportunity to do that component to it um so you may still want to have some meetings but you would pick
those meetings they would flush out as we went through the process but hopefully by about that September 16th we would be at about a 90% done with with the budget that sounds amazing yeah because we're still done
your end it's just when it comes to us yeah if if we shorten the meetings is there any bonus to the budget can you say will this save the city any money what do you mean well if they cut out three of these meetings is there a labor
savings that that they're going to say this will save so if we cut three of like these specific meetings we're having during Workshop well any of these meetings does it result in a savings to the
city uh not really from the standpoint that uh your department heads are all salaried so they're going to be here one way or the other but I certainly will take overtime if no I just kid yeah right I'll take a bonus for this in
instead of using Workshop time for these presentations and things like that they could be used for other things absolutely yeah there's there's a lot of items that are still outstanding that need to be um you know more information needs to be you know whatever information the city council wants that
staff has to put together and i''d rather see staff working on Gathering that information so city council can make some bigger decisions um that drive um I think the city and the city's future that's kind of what the council is we're not to the exactly
yeah I agree as long as we have the information and have the opportunity to ask a questions oh for sure for us yeah y I'm going to be an outlier and say I think we should have it stay the same way with no savings to the city the biggest public engagement that we get
are all on taxes so are we doing a disservice to our residents to not spend this much time and this much focus on them in my mind we seem to be it it's just at later dates because we're all the information back it's not trickling it's more and then we go from there is
that wrong no I don't think I don't think that that's wrong I I mean I that's my understanding is we're all going to get it there it's just a later date it's going to come instead of just little one here and one there type of thing right I I don't I I don't disagree with with council member nordby and and
your your view on to it um it comes down to there's so many meetings that you can have in a year or so many workshops so many um Council meetings if you want to have specials which we have done quite a few in the last few years for the budget because we have other items on
Workshop if you're willing to do that let's keep it the same if not then I I would recommend utilizing those times for other things you're still not getting a you're still not losing the importance of setting the budget you're
still not losing the importance of the impact that that Levy has on residents I think youve you have all done such a great job on that and and are aware of that I don't think you've lost any of that and it's still opens up that um you still can um want additional meetings
and you know even afterwards um it's totally up to you it means if we try to do this it means instead of having all of these meetings City staff works at putting and getting everything together UPF front for you to see quicker than we
have in in the past but but I don't I don't disagree one it's it's really up to you that's really it's it's it's your decision at the end of the day it seems like a lot of them we did was you know you would say your piece and you ask we have any questions and then we' go nope and then we'd move on and then move on exactly
Y and I think the value comes in being able to use those that time for other discussions you know not necessarily budget related especially as a new remember it gives us the opportunity to kind of take advantage of those times to learn more
about the different departments and things like that so if the public is looking for more information we are always available for any kind of calls and explanation soby any thoughts after that no I difference to what was said or is it still the same what you want I don't
feel I don't feel super strongly that I don't want it to change but I I I'm I'm one of five my personal thought is leave it the same but but I'm okay with I'm not super strong against it changing um so so if the will of four
against one to change I I'm okay with that like I say I just I I know on the the meetings out there when we're doing the finance I want to be able to look everyone Square in the eye and say I thoroughly review this budget this is what I believe has to be done for the
city um and and to me but I think if we have a little bit more then people can get to them more instead of feel like oh I missed something at last time oh I missed it that time and then you know if it's we get out and here's what we're going to this is how far we are maybe we'll get more people because okay I can
hit that one and exate yeah you'll get you'll get a bigger picture quicker yeah um no it it um you're still going to get it'll still be given publicly all of the information
that you've seen in the past um word of caution because we're going to have less meetings it means that you need to look at that material ahead of time so we're prepared when we come into that meeting so everybody staff councel
have to be prepared to go through it and and get it and and ask those tough questions and make those tough decisions um but I all of the disclosure as far as information you're it's still all going to be a part of the package yeah I I
guess my final question then is will this cut down in the amount of times we get pizza pizza for you no Cil Kenzie you have any you hav't thoughts from you no I I just want
to learn and do a lot of this stuff and I got one question to ask you how often you Bang Your Head on the the table to know all this stuff I don't he L it's Dan's favorite all all of this is again you've
heard me say it and I'll say it again when I give my quick up now my quick update on the department um no this is a fantastic city um we have a fantastic city council uh great city manager staff is amazing um this is this is a great
organization and uh no I I it's like a big it's like a puzzle and you just try to put it together but it's fun so we give you is does everybody agree to the the new shortened I just want to make sure we give them yeah I appreciate that
I would I would be in favor of shortened and I would like to see less much less special meetings this year okay so I I'll I'll do a modified schedule and then share it to and yeah I think are we good with everybody I I don't want to just I might I might do is I might call
you and come in a day and just we'll go through it oh absolutely absolutely yeah Dan's awesome all this really means is he's going to get more emails from me out outside of meetings rather than questions at the council so so I'm good with it what I just want to know where he rolls
all that money into his [Laughter] pocket all right well thank you and I have one more I didn't even switch the date on that one um Finance update uh first of all I want to thank you all for your
your Le leadership um it is uh so important um and um I have felt so welcome since the first day that I ever came to the city um and even though City Council Members have changed um I still feel welcomed um every day when I come into this
organization um Finance staff um couldn't do what we do without these individuals um our um Utility Billing coordinator has been in the city for almost 40 years um um does an absolutely excellent job
taylor Lily um she will someday be Barb when Barb decides to retire um knows the utility billing inside and out um goes way above um some of the things that you may not
be aware of is that um we have some pretty good technology like on the electric side with the meters and some software that we can look at and when they see whether it's a water bill or an electric bill that's higher than it has been in the past they go through and they analyze it and they'll call the
resident up and say hey um your water usage is High um do you by chance have a toilet that's running and nine out of 10 times they do um they do an absolutely fabulous job and then um Melissa's the
the newest of the of the three that's in there um absolutely customer service very quite spoken individual very intelligent um she is the one you've heard me talk about that is working on her accounting degree um and um part of
as I get older my uh Legacy in my career in government is to see her um become an accountant in government um and uh in here with the city of North St Paul um then we have Jackie who does so much um payroll accounts payable um just does an
amazing job very very accurate um rely on her very very heavily um Angie um is learning the components of that Jackie does um and then there's myself I just sit with piles on my desk and um thank
the stars that I have the staff that I have um they make my life very easy and allow me to do the time um that I need to on some of the other bigger items that are there without a lot of issues um what do we do C payable
receivable budgeting Capital assets cash management debt Administration financial analysis financial reporting Investments payroll procurement special assessments and property taxes tax increment financing and utility billing and customer service I have to go quick
right uh so I'm going to focus on the utility billing and customer service and part of the reason is because you know that's you know we you generate over $20 million in you know in our utilities um uh but before that what are some of the things we're working on um
payroll conversion we gave it one attempt um it didn't work with a vendor um I've got a draft RFP um that hopefully next Monday we hit the streets with um looking for um a payroll system and and hopefully a payroll provider um
to do some of the you know the ACs and so forth um and uh we don't have an HR System um so it's really a payroll HR um system that would be a part of it uh we really need to um Implement some sort of
purchase order tracking system um to make sure that we're meeting um State statutes um that may be something that would that will come up in our audit um findings this upcoming year um and then security is a a big um issue um for our
uh staff uh utility and first of all I want to thank city council for your support on um the glass that is now down on both the community development side and the finance side um and then I'm going to jump ahead here a little bit but I'm going to tie it into security um
but uh we need to I've been working with um Brian on both staff redundancy and succession planning I'm not getting any younger I know it's hard to believe but uh need to start looking at some of those um components to make sure we're that this city is in good has a good
future and is in good hands moving forward um really kind of kind of working and I I kind of there's a lot of Statistics to kind of show you you know the different bill paying and you can see because we made a big change in um
you know uh charging a credit card fee you can see that the customers have shifted how they big time of how they they do things a lot more um Bank drafts now um so they don't get that 2 point two and a qu% um added on um but uh here
here's kind of the the interesting piece piece that I want to go on it ties into security since I've got eight minutes to go or less I'll try to wrap it up in five so give everybody a time to break for a little bit but um if you notice on there that on an average we we uh mail
out 457 disconnection notices per month uh disconnection notices is basically that you are two complete months behind and the third month has just been issued so you know that we build our utilities
for the past month of usage so it's really three months of usage before a disconnection notice goes out that's a that's a lot that's a that's a lot that we're mailing out and then um we end up um you know after those notices go
through then we end up um giving a you know there's a call generation that goes out to these individuals and at the end of the day we usually end up with um you know 40 50 that um end up going through the to to be disconnected um we've got
to follow the cold winter uh weather rule um that um basically um if your sole um source of heat is electric um you can't completely cut them off um but if they're an apartment and it's not their main source we can cut them off
completely if not we can do what we um kind of a a cycle where it's on 30 minutes and off 30 minutes our system will allow us to do that um it's amazing that we have so many great residents here but yet there are a
number of them that are nasty um some of the phone calls that uh that staff receive should never ever occur um there's been threatened um we had one a few weeks ago about three
weeks ago where um person basically threatened to to cut um the person's throat um over the the phone um so there's a heightened concern um for um my staff and um the glass helps um a
great deal uh the other uh piece that we're looking at that I'm talking with Brian on these next two pieces one that we're looking at um and it's been something that had been identified before I came here um the city had gone through an active shooting training at
one point in time and there's no act ex exit out of Finance the two exit points bring you back into the hallway um so there's a office that's is unutilized that we're probably going to um look at
getting a quote to open a door back there that we'd come out by the fire Bay um you know for that um in addition is that we're looking at and I've I've had a um getting some pricing I've talked to Metro inet I'm getting some prices on just a small device that we would be
able to uh record um phone messages um in case that we had you know threatening pieces that we could utilize that to to help our our our police because our police did did respond very well um but that is a huge concern um that um staff
has and um like I said before um you know I I can't do what our department I can't and our department can't do without our our staff our staff has done an amazing job and continue to do an amazing job day in and day out um very
dedicated individuals um that's kind of where I'm going to leave you at um there's a lot of Statistics if you have any questions um you know let me know um but I'm proud of our our finance department our our
staff um uh maybe uh a little bit uh later about a month or so I'll invite a couple of employees here um and we'll do a formal recognition of us receiving a certificate of excellence for our financial statement for 2023 um we have a really nice plaque
that we received um it's like about the 37th year that the city's got it but it's nonetheless it's it's impressive and I want to bring um the people that help um that happen um and uh I think bring Barb and and Jackie um are the two
big contributors that helped me um get through those yearend processes which I have one more I I've got next week the add are in hopefully for the last time um but uh we're uh we're we've been busy in finance department um love this city
um we have great leadership um just want city council to know I appreciate everything that you do thank you Dan appreciate you all right I'll call for adjournment at uh
6:27 so moved so moved council member Norby second second Council member Woods all those in favor say hi hi hi let's take about 5 minutes to refresh and we'll be back Part: 2
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e e all the me order stand for the Pledge of Allegiance please I pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States ofer thank you very much roll call please council member nordby council member Woods here council member
McKenzie here council member schwe here mayor mongi here thank you have motion to adopt the agenda please so moved so moved council member schwe council member wood second all those in favor say I I thank you very much all right first up we have a
presentation from hga Parks planning for their final report please come up I'm uh sitting right here there you are this is not working on there okay didn't work very good for me to stand up there last time and then like try loock here so I guess
I'm in um I'm going to sit so you catch me uh no no um my name is trig Hansen I'm a landscape architect with hga I've got to know uh many of you as well as uh some of the parks and wck committee uh
members that are here in the office or audience um that I've worked with or hga and my team has worked with for several months beginning um back in August and we wrapped up um a several months long process uh in uh beginning of January
with the finalization or end of January the finalization of this report um which is uh a report that uh summarizes and um documents essentially everything that we did during uh a process that was um
geared around developing uh concept designs for three sites that were identified an RFP um uh solicited by the city via the parks and rec commission um that hga responded to uh amongst I
believe a dozen other firms was this was actually back in think about February when it all started um and then HJ was selected uh to uh work with the parks and rec commission um April sometimes there were some um change over within the staff and we finally got the park
the project going in Earnest in in August um and what we did were there were the three Parks uh and my understanding is you've all at least had this report and reviewed and understand I know Cassidy is uh familiar with the
project and the process and everything that went on um but we uh did conceptual design for three Parks the downtown open space a Third Street North open space and mcnight athletic complex um that process included discovery
of uh within the city within City staff stakeholders um uh so that our team could understand the passion and the story that of the city and the relationship to uh Parks uh within the city um and it also included a uh pretty
Lively and rigorous uh uh engagement process getting out into the community a series of a couple events um and meetings um that uh had uh a lot of stakeholder Community um data that we collected that informed
the designs um and we'll kind of I'll kind of Step through a little bit of the summary of those things within the report um I don't really have an opportunity to get into depth but what I do want is to give enough time to have questions and answers um moving forward
uh like I got through that there's some things that we that the process didn't do um it didn't prioritize any of the three Parks over another it went through essentially the same process for each um when we presented at events we put them side by side this was an opportunity to
create design ideas for these three different Parks um each one have along the way they had their unique uh findings discovering and needs and we reacted to those in kind but they were we didn't develop a perview as a team
nor did the parks and W Commission on any of them being more important than the other we we wanted to um inform what these could be as added and improved within the parks and wre um system um another thing that we didn't do was develop a budget for these
projects we did cost conceptual cost estimating um and that's what you see in in uh the result of the uh findings in the report and as as documented um C conceptual cost estimating um based on
uh market value I'll just say m value approach whereas if these projects were um bided and developed and uh implemented through whether it's a uh general contractor um manager or construction manager um at large we
didn't do make any prioritization or decisions based on cost other than reacting to the programs and the features that were included in the cost estimate and informed and a conceptual um uh so this was this is a highlevel um
loaded cost estimate represents the concepts that were um uh created through the process so um oh jeez um with that come on okay did it was just going to sleep I'll get into it
um I was told we have what 10 to 15 minutes and now I just took up five of it I'm sure so um again talk the report starts with an overview of the project um identifying the pro the project within the city this wants to be a tool
for members of the city and potentially you know fundraisers or um so that we we gave a a pretty robust background to this document that can be used we also want it to be a tool for other projects not just these three wanted to be a tool
for um complementing the master plan and other things uh moving forward as far as parks and open space um the engagement approach was developed we didn't have an approach set other than um kind of a rigor that we go through on all of our projects but we
discovered who are the most the important community and stakeholders to engage with once we started working with the city um and that was informed uh on uh uh through that group collaborative effort so we learned that something like
the artsfest would be a great opportunity for us to be out in the and we did that um based on uh the engagement process uh that we met or did together with the with the PRC and others we had some things that we were going to plan like we um were thinking
that the car shows um might be something good but we learned that it's not as a representative of of the community itself because it brings in a lot of outside PE great great opportunity for the city but that something like the artfest or um the parade which didn't
actually happen because of the um weather um uh but then we also set up like a community open house um over at uh Casey Lake which was a fantastic event um so we're kind of continually learning as we go um and adjusting let's
see uh some of the you know whole host of findings um we began uh with some understanding of the community survey parks and Rec survey that had been done in the summer of 23 um and this was an opportunity to provide further
information validate some things um truth um there was a a uh a not there's an a diff there can be different information gained through personal conversations one-on On's in-person events versus Anon Anonymous surveys um
little context can be given to answers um and some of the things that we've we learned is is things that might have been asked for in the survey as you as you uh did Design Concepts and conversations learned that they might
not have as much support or um uh they have more challenges as you start to execute them in reality um so you know some of the metrics are are um talked about in here moving towards as we get
into each of the sites how de um Concepts were developed so for I'm going to try and speed up my Cadence so that we can make sure we have time for conversation essentially for the downtown um open space for each of them we developed at
least two options that were responded to and voted on um uh at different uh the community events the direction that was most um uh supported although uh the two options
here had a lot of similar support was one that based on idea of this the downtown open space be kinding being acting as a front porch to downtown um North St Paul Simple Green Space a passage on the west side for people to
come spend 5 10 15 minutes um but nothing too presuming one of the interesting things about the design concept process here was that um uh we thought about the different these different programs that could happen in that open space from public
art to um uh sculptural play spaces and when it came down to it simple open space for for that first step is really flexible and meaningful if this park um develops in one year or five years down
the road There's an opportunity to uh re-engage conversations about how that space might be used but as an open flexible space it's really a program that could move forward and provide value to the city
oops gota not do what I just did so we created for each of these um some conceptual uh renderings um we actually developed a simple 3D model um
because we know that uh you know above and beyond plans and and precent images seeing things that are of the space provocative um can be really uh instrumental about telling the story uh one of the features that was uh
really supported uh are these you can see these uh orange frames that holds something that's like uh an over um a industrial scale front porch swing something that would be simple interactive um but artistic at the same
time and that we that was something that we did include in the in this um and it could be uh a little bit of a iconic feature that attracts people to downtown and and uh adds a little Pizzazz we'll
say going into the Third Street open space um this uh lot of lively conversations about this this is the wooded acre wooded well I guess like 2third wooded along uh Third Street and the other is the corner of uh is it what
do we call it is it five corners there really kind of bus busy intersection where there's an opportunity some City held land to to do something um the process in here was really uh I mentioned uh Community feedback that as
we meant meant for initial Community feedback like from the community survey that said oh we really want um Community Gardens and we really want dog park um so we explored those things uh as well as nature B uh based play um as we
furthered down let me just get to do we lay out the two options anyhow there was a series of kind of the F the options that had some of the most support were nature play and a dog
park and uh it was interesting very interesting in the in-depth Community engagement like open house a lot of the people who um were dog we'll just call them dog people um enlightened us to
some of the considerations that dog parks um have versus just um blatantly putting in uh or just putting a dog park in um in reaction to uh a survey um a lot of PE many of the the people that
were dog park or dog owners said that they had challenges with going to dog park so um uh a lot of that in-depth conversation and revisiting led us to the uh Direction the final direction
that it was going to be an a nature-based playground experience with a small community garden um and now those uh that's what the design direction that um was held in final and mcnight athletic complex can you yes
it's Sor to interrupt but you have some pictures of what that dog park in like nature play as yes can you show those yeah because you had showed the downtown piece oh I didn't sorry I apologize yes let me go back to the plan I got so
in- depth kind of just like talking about the process I apologize so this is the plan for the Third Street open space the preferred final option um some sort of community garden space at
the five corners and then in the wooded area developing an accessible uh main trail and then kind of some ribbons of nature-based play experiences those could be wood those could be wood chip Trails into the
hillside amongst uh groups of Boulders and logs and slides and all kinds of things like that that we had a lot of Spirited conversation um led by Dave about how this could be an opportunity for the city to develop and and
Implement a park on maybe a bit a bit of a different type of um construction scale uh meaning you could engage local Partners local school groups local P the public works could implement it um and it may not necessarily need to be
implemented as a full outside construction manager or general contractor um that being said under the purview of the project that's where the the the budget and the cost estimate lies within that
um some images on the top of how the or the community garden uh might Express itself and then on the left here looking for some openings in that wooded area thinking that there'd be an opportunity to do some selective removal of trees a
lot of it is kind of overgrown and um Urban uh Forest but there would be some opportunity to keep some of the more mature uh things that are uh preferred species uh open it up and create a nice space uh for the community unlike other
areas that we or the city already has with kind of more formal play areas this would be an opportunity to explore that kind of nature base play now I could spend probably hours talking about the complexity and the layers of discovery that we had with
mcnight um athletic complex um the I think I don't know I can't say exactly how many uh but one of the the main things that or several of the things that we learned um for sure is that
this site has a lot of Pride historical Pride of the city um and programs and Athletics that used to happen there that um aren't happening there right now and the city would really love to get that
Pride back at from this site as um a IC iconic athletic space for the city is North St Paul um the we learned and dug into and had conversations about the shared use agreement that the city and
the uh Independent School District 622 has um we learned that in its current state it's predominantly um uh seen lack of uh athletic programming coming out of the city now and uh diminishing use by
I'll just say um outside rentals um coming and going of Youth Baseball or um Legion ball uh things like that that the the biggest user right now is the softball and baseball teams at uh the
North High um we also understand that in for the most part the city uh operates and maintains the fields um we learned through a very uh insightful meeting with with the city and the um School
District that everyone wants um uh a balanced uh use that it makes sense that the city is utilizing it just as much as the school district as the way that it had been uh in the one past and we
learned that there's opportunity and openness from both sides to adapt and look at different ways that the land can be used and and support the programs that have historically happened there and are um
are happening there right now um so we we covered you know the the levels of disrepair and and site uh analysis um we looked at uh all the opportunities of
you know just potential programming um that could happen on the site a lot of things that um we started in initial diagrams with a lot of different programs and as we moved out to a final
preferred option um we really distilled it down to uh I guess it's five main pieces um uh one obviously a right-sized and improved uh parking lot that supports the activities
and this and events that will happen there um the existing parking lot is in um uh need of uh repair it is what and another thing that we talked about is um that the capital Improvement plan has
identified some funds in the in the near future for um uh specifically the parking lot at uh mcnight but that this planning and programming and conceptualization could be well would be an ideal time to
wrap that into some larger program if possible um uh one of the other pieces uh and we learned from liaison group uh the shortage uh of uh available soccer programming within the city itself um
and so we've uh visualized how the t-ball space could become maybe potentially a First Step at creating this uh flexible mini pitch program that could bring in all kinds of different youth uh soccer opportunities and be
flexible for other sports um and then in an idea in a second phase that same model is talked about how it could be done on a larger context of potentially two of the northern softball fields you could get other sport um opportunities
within that area inclusive of baseball and softball um within the uh the planning uh program two other uh or couple other um supportive programs that were talked
about a lot that are missing at mcnight were a flexible event space um playground uh for and this one was is more was more identified for kind of like that middle age uh active that not
tiny tot and things like that but like the 5 to 12 into young um uh Teenage um uh for a whole host of reasons um supplementary to whatever other sport uh events that are going on
at the park um but also a place for the the those young adults and and teens to find their uh own space to hang out um and another program that came through and the previous
uh survey as well as uh all the data that we collected through the community engagement was um skate and bike skills um and uh so we've positioned that here as well
um go into some of the imagery that we created for this park and this one we did instead of having uh one we have like the the a phase one and a phase two potential phase two um brings in there
was a lot of conversation um and energy about how flexible and useful the building at Casey lake is um and we identified that this would be if we improve athletic programs and add program this would be a great place to
have something in similar kind to support um for storage um small events uh and uh bathrooms facilities things like that and so that's included as well in the phase 2 cost estimate
um I said we didn't you know we kind of treated them all the same although this this uh the third or apologies um mcnight uh has kind of different level of unique Programming type so we kind of broke them out and T told a little bit of
story the value the design considerations that each one would have um within the program and then talked about no matter what the design uh final concept uh some of the I'll say design elements that
could still that would be supportive of any design iteration um now or into the future and then we ended with the cost uh estimates again um these were not uh we the parks and rec commission did not
develop a budget for the project this was uh cost estimates that were in support of the Design Concepts that were um developed we another and you can see kind of highlighted and discuss
discussed in um kind of summary level uh this the mcnight in particular um has a lot of opportunities for community and Partnerships um uh whether it's grants
uh uh aligned programming um that could be and should be explored um when and if the project move forward moves forward so that's in general a summary I apologize for kind of a rambling
approach to to uh uh explaining this I guess um I'm most eager to be able to field some questions if there are because I think you know we the Dave um Sarah and Sarah and myself were so
ingrained in the process um uh coming from those who are reviewing and reacting I think it's important to have uh open dialogue if if desired with the the group that um put it together so thanks so
much any questions anyone well I'll start you the whole hga team has done a phenomenal job and you have been present with this whole entire project so thank you for all the work that you've done um
I will say you guys did an outstanding job of reaching out to our community and its members especially at the Autumn Arts Festival I was so impressed with the boards and the the uh colored dots that what what would you like to see here what would you like to see here and
you implemented it all into these three Park plans which was incredible and to see it up front now in 3D image uh there are there's endless opportunities yet I
think with some of us our eyes aren't um don't our eyes don't see what what you had put together especially alongside um the five corners that area has so much potential as well and we know that ni mcnight complex um is a
sought out we we need some help over there let's just say that um but there is opportunity I mean there's a great opportunity and like you said great Partnerships that we could um work with and then you have the little downtown Park area where I like that you said
it's it's kind of like that front porch feeling right you come in and um there's a place to sit you're we have car shows that are consistent throughout the summer um so you've all done a fantastic job and a big thank you to parks and wck
as well for the time commitment that you've put in last year and um continuing through these meetings you're a volunteer doing this on this commission Sarah you're working extra overtime to do this um and that said
this this is a great plan great opportunity of what we have lying ahead um and we have some great people on Parks and rck that I can see drive through this process with the support of council thank you did you say there's going to be a
skate park for roller blades or skateboards things like that that well that's one of the programs that was is currently held in the shown in the preferred option for at mcnight and that would be for kids
though twirl their bikes and break their legs and all that you know what what I mean y yeah that's I I mean I like the skateboard idea and I like the bike idea cuz we need something this community for
the kids in the range of 9 to 15 yep that is one of the things I do like about the program here you got um some of it I'd love to see that one of one of these fields get domed for the winter
time so we can have an indoor Athletic program instead of so much condense on the one area Dome it over like they do at Concordia in the wintertime that is phenomenal how they do that and they have the air bubbles and they blowing up
the high school could be able to practice year round ball here yeah there's a lot of um we used uh several of those you know a a lot of the the team was not necessarily familiar when
we talked about adding field flexibility um to these you know whether you know turning into to uh artificial turf or any of that so we um uh talked about what they're doing over at the uh SAA complex which is at uh Conway okay um St
Paul yep yep and they do they take a a portion of that is Dome during the during the winter Concordia so I think there's a lot of um significant amount of programming opportunity there's a lot of discussion that could be done about
this yeah I like the design of the complex itself I think I'd like to bring in one more ball field back so if we can get a tournament set up at least we can run a three six team tournament and keep it
round robbing anything like that but we could probably get byy with one less so things like that yeah go ahead I was just going to say that I think because of the costs something we thought about want to come up so people can hear
please Sarah's arrived from the park commission um something we had thought about just to consider is not having to make the decision tonight on exactly what it's going to look like but making the decision that we can start the path to move forward because we know how big it is is that with the softball fields
that that potentially could be like phase two like tackling the parking lot those decrepit tennis courts we're housing all of our trees at the moment um that like phasing the approach for a cost B what Partnerships could be leveraged in order to do that because we
might need more time especially if you're talking about a dome or additional baseball fields like who where we might have easier Partnerships with the Minnesota United and with Target who can donate money that are specific towards soccer programs so I think maybe the way to approach it or think that we thought about it was like
actually thinking of in phased approaches because when you look at the dollar volume it's it's scary but I think if we think of it as like let's take this what can we nail out first which is we don't have a lot for youth 9 to 15 to do in the city we have a lot of things for young kids and then you age
up and then we know what happens to kids so looking at it that way where we might be able to tackle that first lump with the parking lot and just kind of maybe get that fun little kids can bring their bikes older kids can bring their skateboards the little ninja structure or older play structure so that kids who
are playing the siblings of the baseball kids I have those you know they got something to do if we can tackle that first then I think we can have a maybe more in-depth conversation about that second half where all those ball fields are and then give that more time to kind of mull it over that would just be my way of thinking at it too just for cost
as well right right on that phase two on that phase two if you notice that's also a flex field so in reality we would still have four Fields there correct absolutely there would be still
okay yes but the way it's laid out because it's a flex we can win baseball or softball season done we can change it over to soccer fields right so we wanted to make sure that we were kind of touching on all of those things so um
but like Sarah had mentioned earlier I think we would like to see at least phase one get going so that area uh can be more utilized with a lot of the people that are now moving into the City and the new condos and stuff so but that
was to answer your question you wouldn't in reality lose any Fields okay so one question I had was with the phase one you know it it covers the the let me get to the plan sorry phase one for the
mcnight fields yep sorry yeah um so it covers those tennis courts north um yes parking lot little conle field that whole area which I agree with Sarah and you needs a lot of
work um so does it cover anything for the uh existing baseball field itself it looks like there's some Landscaping but I mean I know that field gets used a lot for League ball and you know things like I'll say not uh specifically other than
we know that that is a Cher that's a cherished um oh yeah uh icon of the city right so we would embrace it there's uh that being said the sub the like the stands like the back of house stuff right there's a a great opportunity to
integrate that in okay um I'll say uh there were several decisions um made on this proess earlier and I I didn't get into it one was we had uh we didn't undergo any physical Ser topographic Sur existing survey we decided that um uh we
had a proposal out there to do to survey these the three sites you know and it was upwards of $20,000 plus to have get that existing we made a calculated decision that we could move forward thinking conceptually
in high level without doing um U an a deep dive survey to know like exact conditions and this and that that being said um I think it would behoove the city and its Partners to um think
broadly about what executing a concept like this could entail you know um uh so I'm going to say yes and no to your question fair enough let me ask you this then all right that smaller field that's
up on the northwest corner there could that be drawn out as you put the artificial turf down for a couple of small t-ball siiz Fields absolutely or because I realized Richardson's got a
couple but the St Peters young programs have got no place to play CU they don't have a property that they are able to play at right now so I mean down the road if they were able to make up some
fields for their three four year olds to uh eighty olds to start there so they can work with the city and get that all kind of prepared in there and they can play on the gr you know the the turf and that where they don't need the uh dirt
and all that you that be the Slick thing to do and the parents are able to park close and then at a certain point it'll be all changed over for soccer for the rest of the fall and or football if they want to most of these flexible Fields have a hierarchy of permanent lines on
them different colors um so uh you know the sacrifice of a sing of of that is you get a little bit of visual noise um but you have sometimes six different programs over overline on you know we talked about some of this things but that
design level would be um that rigor would be brought right into this and and just to go about the conversation about like um the skate park um there would be an in a stakeholder engagement process uh part of a final design
program that identifies you know the the opportunities and the constraints within that uh a feature like that actually um requires um Consultants that are specialists in that
you know and so um the design team would integrate that you know we uh I can't say by any means that I know how to design a skate park um right you all know yeah well I mean I've seen on firsthand how Hopkins did it yeah and they've got their underneath the I the
169 Corridor bridge over Hopkins so I mean for that that's down the road for someone else to figure out but this building up on the Northern corner on the back side of the the uh Legion baseball team in high school yep what is
that now that is just an open space in the building thees which one are we T sorry right here where I said stands existing no it's the octagon kind of building thing right here that building right there on to the
right yeah oh H yes you're talking about the concession stand no no I'm talking still go to your right a little more it's on the back side of the it's the phas two of the community
building yeah that's what it must be then cages oh yes that's a placeholder what would be a new building like at Casey Lake something like that that has how big I think that's to be determined yep
but I think that's about 5,000 square ft shown so it's a little bit bigger than what is at Casey Lake um to to H house support function bathrooms storage
um it was a it was a feature that's been identified as um um uh through the process as in a situ in a park like this um an amen that would be um like a fallout shelter also for playing out there if they're playing they got
weather coming yeah yep that would have to be built strong enough but yeah that would work okay and a whole other piece of a of a design process that would have specific um engagement about the needs
the requirements the programming okay part of it too for what I'm looking at also is that uh sometimes we can't use those fields till the middle of summer because of drainage and things like that yep so you didn't address any of that as far as land because I think there's going to be a lot of Excavating that's
going to have to come because it is a swamp I mean if you really want to have fields that drain otherwise doing the same thing we're doing now which is we can't even mow them that's actually uh uh a good and absolutely fantastic point is the uh and this is part of the cost
estimate is that those artificial Fields they're a at surface and a profile that goes down 2 3 feet um that the water that drains water through oh I see so so it's like clear yes it's clear um
there's storm water management and cuz the idea is that you're investing a lot of money and you want to be able to use those fields no matter what can you reuse that water puddles underneath there is there a drain p
it infiltrates um into the soil so the water table's up that high that's why it never goes down so that concerns me as how do you get that so the water table is up that high so okay um thanks absolutely fantasttic uh fantastic uh OB
or question so the Sur you know we would start with surveying and geotechnical um some soil borings to understand what's going on there specifically um yeah thank thank you very much I I really appreciate this presentation it's
been wonderful um one of the questions I have um and specifically um all of them but specifically the Forest Park concept yeah can you tell me what level of
um expertise or what level of compliance um these Concepts have in relation to Ada um yes uh um uh this one specifically like I said we
don't we did not get um survey data um but that being said uh we uh we we got um publicly available data and based on that it seems that you like there would be no issues with um engineering and
further detailed design to make a uh sweeping path that goes through at uh accessible grade um uh you get you know the road itself maybe more than U accessible grade is 5% um maybe more
than that but you can get more length by swooping and and doing some uh Earth Mar so the goal with I guess it's number seven would be that it's a accessible grade um uh with uh safe lighting um to accommodate it um when you get into
nature based play things um you're making uh uh some educated decisions about uh what full accessibility um and access means um just um on the basis of that
that being said like uh at mcnight we would see no reason that we would be designing things that weren't uh meeting uh accessible standards you get into a conversation on like the playground of
how much of you want to implement Universal type access versus um uh kind of uh uh experiential based uh access um which is a
whole playground design specialty uh about like universal access and things like that so um uh downtown park uh we would we would make all the spaces uh uh access accessible for um different all
levels of wheelchair Walker all those we don't see we don't see any challenges for from that it's essentially a flat space right now so and you know it would it have to be with um thinking about it wanting to be this simple flexible Plaza
um uh front porch so yes okay thank you yeah else it okay I'm good thank you well yeah thank you it's been a pleasure and I've I've said this to to Sarah Sarah and and Dave enough but I'm uh a lifelong uh from St Paul my
wife grew up on the east side so I drove 36 thousands and thousands of times I never got a chance to become part of the the North St Paul Community until I worked on this project so working on this is I got to know another Community
I got to know other population all these uh learn things I made all you know you make all these assumptions about places um much of it is not true you know so getting to know and be this is another part of my home now I feel I feel at
home here um and I'm sure we'll have uh working relationships in some fashion moving forward so thank you very much this has been awesome thank you thank you all right all right next up uh is the consent
agenda item a February 18th 2025 regular or workshop and regular meeting minutes Item B General claims of $685,500 item D North St Paul participation in Minnesota's toward zero death grant
program item e new appointment to the arts and culture commission item F uh purchase Hall of Fame decorative lighting which would finish up the lights out there on uh Casey Lake Trail um item G 2025 rate table solar above
40kw and item H Electric uh declar Surplus items thank you very much would anybody like to pull any off the agenda at this time if not can I have a motion to pass the agenda so moved so moved council member would
second second council member McKenzie all those in favor say I I I opposed thank you oh God they're good next part is uh meeting open of the public um we will call up the residents they have three minutes also when it comes to this we
will take notes the city manager for any kind of concerns anybody has and then we'll take the take it back we won't be commenting of course during this time because we're going to take the information make sure we do the due diligent research anything we need thank you uh John schal
please good evening evening uh mayor council member members happy Fat Tuesday can you say that happy Fat Tuesday anyway um first of all um clearing my throat I don't have a um um
air purifier in my house didn't get to it but I don't have an extra electric bill anyway uh note uh on my way to Health Partners uh failin uh complex I noticed a sign that just appeared this
week because I was there on Sunday to get rid of some branches that it said V uh DMV site so have they opened up a DMV site there to replace what we lost in Maplewood it would be nice because that
trip to Stillwater is a long way and Rose Roseville it's crazy are you talking the one on Pierce Butler no I'm talking about Mung Village off of fail and Parkway a little
sign they just put up DMV site I haven't heard about that I don't know what it is I'm just throwing it out I saw it today uh secondly I take issue with the requirement to sign on to Google to know
what's going on with the CC project Community Center project why do we have to subject me to a an outfit Google who just love selling information and you have to sign on to their site in order
to be uh or in order to obtain information about what's happening with the CC site we have open go why don't we have a site on open goov and on the city the city website um you know every time you turn
around they're asking for uh update privacy uh this and that when you go sign on to Google um so uh and there that site that was established was not operative when council member Nordy
nordby made his presentation there was no information on the site about it how do I know because I didn't sign on I'm not signing on another Google Google site uh because I know someone who did ask to be signed up on it and did not
receive any information about council members Norby's uh presentation last time or two times ago the last item is is that I've given up on attending uh budget meetings because you go through all this budget meetings and information
and what and know what are we going to do what's the levy going going to be and all of that stuff and then you end up spending uh finding money $80,000 to cover the uh Park dedication fee Etc and also the
$90,000 in December for the uh uh consultant and I just go where's it coming from anyway any be careful out there it's thank Youk you don't go anywhere in the morning thank you very much that's it all I have
is one all right next up is uh public hearing so item a is a proposal to adopt the street reconstruction plan and the intent to issue a General Obligations Street reconstruction bonds we have uh Finance director Winnick here to
discuss U mayor council members um there's been um a number of meetings with WSB that um has discussed uh the plan um for the Reconstruction for 2025 with the Gerald Avenue between Mohawk Road and M massabi Avenue the shauni
drive um bule Avenue and the Casey Lake Park parking lot off of shaune Drive um what this is is this we'll have to open this up for a public hearing for any comments um on um issuing bonds for this project um attached to your
documentation is a street um reconstruction plan that's for 5 years it shows the 2025 and it also shows the What's um planned in part of our CIP for 2027 and then shows some other um Street related
projects what um after the public hearing you'll have an opportunity to um adopt that plan um and then um also uh by resolution the intent to issue General obligation um Street reconstruction bonds um this also starts
uh the 30-day time period um where um if the public um were against issuing the bonds they could petition um within the next 30 days then what it would do is end up uh forcing the issuance of the
bonds to be held in a public U voting meeting um versus um city council issuing it um per our schedule um but um I think if you want uh if you have any questions on that before and then open it up to the public for any public
comments questions anyone no okay if not do you have a okay just want to make sure I didn't miss yet okay so before you is a resolution um to
adopt the street plan and to issue um bonds up to a maximum of $7 million at this point in time right now um working with Baker Tilly um our bond consultant um we're looking at about a little over $6.7 million issuance but um this is
written to go up to seven um just in case that some of the estimates that come in um are a little bit higher that we have a little cushion for it so okay thank you got a motion so moved so move council member Norby second second
council member m pardon me Mr Mayor I just wanted to before we move on here I just wanted to make sure we had a clear opening and closing of the public hearing even though we don't have anyone here just just so that we have that clearly recorded in the minutes all right public hearing closed
727 all right motion council member Norby right second was council member Kenzie yes all those in favor say I I I opposed okay thank you all right we have one city business action item and
recommendation uh budget amendment for the fiscal year 2024 budgets turn that back over to Dan uh mayor uh and council members I knew you'd get sick of me by the end of this evening um uh before you is um kind of a
cleanup for a 2024 um budget um we've done this the past uh three years this will be the fourth year um and it's basically um increasing the budget um and revenues um to make sure that they're covering all of the expenditures
that have been um authorized by city council um through the year um and so all of the amendments are attached uh we have the community event fund there's an increase in estimated revenue and expenditures it's really due to the snowy sculptures um where we sold them
um to a number of uh businesses um in the area and then the costs that are associated with that um there's a fire Relief Fund where we're required to um pass on um the fire Aid that we receive
from the state um to the Rel Association it it was higher than we anticipated um just like we um had spoke earlier about the police um Aid they were much higher than um um was given to us when we built the
budget um and then there's the Wastewater fund um that um if you remember uh I think the the P uh the purchase of a uh sewer cleaner was actually approved in by the CIP a few
years ago it took up until this past year in 2024 to finally actually get the piece of equipment um and um so actually city council approved a part of the CIP but our budgets don't carry over um and
so this is to make the the necessary adjustment to make sure that we have the the funding in the budget that um and the fund has enough money um as you've already seen um to cover that that expenditure which has already been approved so again it's more of just
cleaning up um things Solid Waste um there is uh um increases in in um revenues and expenditures um and it's really um to cover uh coordinated tipping
fees um fiber optics just a small little adjustment of uh $1,700 um just uh again um cover a little overage from what we had estimated in uh um for fiber cost that
we pay a a third party and then the Insurance Fund some adjustments due to workman's comp insurance being higher than we estimated in property insurance um and then the equipment fund um again um the plow truck was budgeted
actually in 2023 wasn't received until 2024 um so again it's just making um these adjustments um for that and then uh HRA um again it's an increase in estimated Revenue in in land um because
of the sale of goods we actually sold two in 2024 versus it's just all timing um pieces so these are really just to clean up to close up um the budget for 2024 I already presented in the workshop um how well we've done in our in our
funds so um there is a resolution that um is attached to this um to prove so then I can actually make the adjustments on um the financial system thank you very much can I get a motion to amend the financial 2024
budgets so moved so move council member Woods keny council member Kenzie all those in favor say I I I opposed none thank you thanks J all right uh reports of the city
manager and departments we have uh we did I did put that idea by uh the deed uh gentleman that represents us for the grant that was presented by council member nordby um they were saying that the initial plan that was turned in had
discussed the gymnasium and the running track so that plan um wouldn't work without having to go back to the legislators so um still working on a couple things but uh that's where we're at right now um
the student built house so the Independent School District 916 they Tom did turn in His official uh resignation so for retirement um they have posted they put it up last week try to find somebody else we'll see how that goes um
but those are some big shoes to fell he was really good at what he does and uh hate to see him go but he deserves his retirement um still i' like to see if we could do a little cereem morning for him for all he's done oh my gosh that'd be great this the guy who housing Tom for
years he started it I'd like to be able to give him a a nice send off we really appreciate all these that be great yes is this still run out of Central College right correct yeah yeah um still looking at a few things to get taken care of so we can look at that
uh 11th Avenue sidewalk from that will go from mcnight to Ariel on the north side of the road um there was a hiccup for the couple of properties closest to mcnight that it actually shows the U property going
right to the middle of 11th Avenue I'm not sure why that wasn't caught before so we're in talks with property owners right now um along with that there'll be uh a couple of uh Crossing signals for uh the push button um by where the bus
stops are um another idea I was going to throw out you guys and I know it been talked about in the past I don't know if it's still a priority but that path that goes through on the west side of the pond that goes from 11th up to 13th um I talked to Morgan about that just high
level he was threw out a number it could be40 $50,000 but uh something to look into if you guys are interested in something like that um we can talk further about that later um for the Departments Electric's been uh they did been doing a lot of inspections they
have a bunch of uh poles and cross arm change outs that they're going to be working on uh they've been doing some of their equipment inspection like Transformers overhead uh Transformers things like that um we got some substation maintenance planned that uh
later on once the weather warms up a little bit before it gets too hot um have some other guys going down to sub school at Marshall here coming up and Cole one of our uh linemen they just had a baby yesterday so congratulations to
him aa's been busy with the festival planning and getting everything lined up for the summer um Finance clearly has been extremely busy with the audit and doing just a great job um PD they uh have offered the job for
the new investigator uh the gentleman right now lives in Texas but he's from Minnesota he worked for 17 years already at uh what was the name of that City uh indta Heights and I think right yeah I think he was so they're looking at a mid
April start date for that and we've got an officer doing background checks right now so hopefully everything turns out we can have one of the officers start then as well um Public Works gave an update on the student built house the windows are getting put in uh basement floor was
being poured today um so it's moving along uh rinks are done for the year um looks like we'll be doing pond maintenance they had tried to start that last year it didn't work out so they're going to be lining that up for this year
um when do that project at C start that's going to be um they're hoping by the end of the year that they have their final plan in place so then what they'll do is they have other their permits ready to go so the first day that school is out they'll be hitting it hard they still haven't decided if
they're going to expand out or go up or what yet so um the EAB removals is still taking place we cleared out a lot of them uh got the electric Department involved going down Margaret Street there were a lot of
trees that didn't look very good they were kind of wide around the um power lines so that's a little looks a little empty there now a little open space down Margaret um they've been posting for summer help for Public Works trying to get another five to six uh people in for
that help they're working on the lead service line uh information still they're trying it's required to have what was that 25 or 30 people that have that lead service line that they have to get them to agree to uh be part of the program where they
can go into the house and get samples actually from their water line for that so they're working on that right now which is always uh hard to get them everybody lined up um they've also been bringing people in or contractors in for the uh door locks situation that we had discussed at The Retreat they've talked
with three of them we got a couple more to talk to um fire is getting the notices out there for uh certificate of occupancy for the fire for the businesses um which is a new program that they started back up after the
pandemic um that's all I got for you how about full is article 7 now for residency up there 75% they yeah it's about 40 plus% for actually in there but they're they're still moving in but they've got
75 % sold so and then it's about sentennial or was Sentinel Sentinel what's that fulfillment rate oh they been full for a while yeah I mean now it's just interchanging people coming and going okay all right all right thank you very
much reps Parks presented what they presented that today so um what I can say is I would like you guys to just soak in what was just presented and um think about what we have for our future with our
parks and these new locations I can easily say that we do have work with our current parks that we need to work on with Ada and all of that but there's some opportunity that we have um that is uh that is also something to consider as
we move forward down the line with some of this park planning um next meeting is is uh March 26 here at 6:30 thank you very much and we have the Eda next week March 11th I think what
whatever day is Tuesday W tues Tuesday 4M here 4 o' here thank you arts and culture uh we had a uh approval for a new member uh approved tonight and then uh our next meeting is
tomorrow night thank you very much how Norby the Planning Commission meeting that was scheduled for March 6th Thursday has been cancelled due to lack of agenda okay thank you very much any general Business Council memb
we no I'm good thank you no okay you nope nope all right um the event we had on Friday for the firefighters that was a good time very I walked out with the comedian yeah he kept telling me why am
I looking at him through my back cuz I told as I went out I said I was looking at your back when I was looking at the mirror over here yeah so yeah they had a great great yeah it was nice turn off to to be able to you know awarded very nice a lot of good Awards a lot of uh hair
you know um different uh for the the stabbing that was up at uh the mall up there or that uh that place over on 11th on 11th over there and then some awards for the heroic heroic actions that they've done so it was a great great
turnout and it was it was honor to be there and to support our our great uh EMTs and firefighters all right next meeting is March 18th by call for adjournment motion motion council member
McKenzie second second council member Woods all those in favor say I I I opposed that's it thank you very much thank you