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Part 1 (Video ID: I5YtY0B5ABE):
- 00:01:03: Meeting Called to Order; Roll Call and Agenda
- 00:02:22: Dorothy Park Signage Concerns: Fishing, Vaping, and Litter
- 00:06:00: Updating Park Signage: Vaping and Marijuana Use
- 00:07:08: Enforcement of Rules and the Role of Signage
- 00:08:27: Encroachment on Private Property and 911 Calls
- 00:09:33: Visibility Markers and Boundary Delineation Ideas
- 00:10:52: Police Involvement and DNR Regulations Discussion
- 00:13:04: Temporary Yard Signs and Ordinance Changes for Fishing
- 00:14:08: Education and Proactive Messaging About Fishing Areas
- 00:15:44: Clear Messaging and Location of Existing Signage
- 00:17:23: DNR and Lake Association Coordination; Small Dock Consideration
- 00:18:47: Signage in Different Languages, Littering, and Dogs
- 00:22:31: Specific Concerns about Dorothy Park Fishing Activities
- 00:24:24: No Fishing Signage and Community Education Approach
- 00:26:33: CIP Discussion: Review, Adjustments, and Priorities
- 00:29:57: Observation Deck, Boy Scouts, And Metal Bridge
- 00:31:50: Proposed Focus on McNight and Timeline Clarification
- 00:33:09: Koby Lake Hills Proposal: Volleyball or Bad Mitten Court?
- 00:34:45: ADA Accessibility and Increased Sport Participation
- 00:35:50: Multi-Use Potential: Poles and Nets For Adjustable Sport Play
- 00:37:30: Neighbor Discussions and Use of Open Lot Space
- 00:39:07: Potential Limitations of Sport Specific Lot Usage
- 00:40:30: Koby Hills Underutilization and Park Demographics
- 00:42:04: Messaging, Feedback Videos, and Soccer Nets
- 00:43:24: Previous Conversations and Modern Community Updates
- 00:44:45: PCU Pond, PCU Pond, and trash
- 00:46:03: PCU Trail Boardwalk and Watershed Discussion
- 00:47:55: Budget Trash Can At The Pond??
- 00:49:29: Feedback on Gaga Ball Pit and Future Options
- 00:51:12: Observation Deck Discussion: Long-Term Plan Revision
- 00:52:49: Budget Requests For the Parks
- 00:54:08: Bridge Repair and Line Item Management
- 00:55:30: Downtown, and the Tower Park
- 00:58:17: Recommendation Motion with Park Cleanup and Improvements
- 01:00:04: Park Clean-Up Debrief: Locations and The Medallion Hunt
- 01:01:27: Lake Association Participation and Grabber Appreciation
- 01:03:33: Pickleball and Environmental Clean up Report
- 01:05:37: PCU Bench Alcohol Issues
- 01:06:59: The Budget and General Information
- 01:11:35: Casey Lake Park Reminder, Next Meeting and Adjournment


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Don't make him show you his name. >> No, I don't think so. I think he was trying to tell us that we were good. >> Okay. Does everybody have their mics on? I realized halfway through the meeting I check. >> Are we okay? Okay. Wonderful. All right. Let's call the meeting to order. Um

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Sarah, can you please do a roll call? >> Yes. Laura Greenley Karp >> here. >> Sarah Zaratka >> here. >> Lloyd Grachek >> here. >> Ingred Kohler >> here. >> Rachel Lucas is absent. Uh William Keley >> here. >> Cassidy Schwar >> here. >> Wonderful. Can I have a motion to adopt

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the agenda? >> So move. >> I'll second that. >> Uh any discussion? All those in favor? >> I. >> All those opposed. Okay. Great. Can I have another motion for the approval of the minutes?

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>> I approve the I will make a motion to approve the minutes. >> I approve of these minutes. Okay. I make a motion to approve the minutes. >> Second. >> Uh any discussion? All those in favor? >> I.

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>> All those opposed. Okay. Motion passes. Hooray. Okay. Meeting open to the public. Okay, >> no one unfortunately no one is here to chat with us today. All right, so we had

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a request to switch A and C on our agenda so that our lovely visitor can chat with us about the Dorothy Park signage. And so Sarah, do you want to kick us off with that? >> Yes. Um, our visitor is not speaking.

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>> Oh, my apologies. >> So I will um >> I will talk about it. So, in the packet, um there is an uh an email with some concerns, um mostly surrounding Dorothy Park, but some of it, um around Silver Lake as well, um due to um fishing from

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the shoreline, um particularly casting uh onto private property, potentially walking on private property, um cannabis or other um vaping use, um littering, dogs off leashes, including training

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dogs off the leash. Um and so uh I have been working as a side note with the police department to increase um patrol there um which we have seen. Um but there was a um question on whether we the commission would want to discuss

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adding additional signage there um or other strategies for um helping to combat some of these issues that are being seen as at Dorothy. >> Yeah. Um, and as a rep for Dorothy, I

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want to say, um, I'm really glad that, um, these have been brought to my attention because, um, they because I think of Dorothy as being this very quiet toddler park, uh, where where nothing really happens except, you know,

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young families are playing with, you know, because that that park structure is geared toward younger kids. And so and and I am not often I walk the park a lot but um not along Dorothy. So I am very glad that these issues have been

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brought to my attention. And um I had no idea that anyone was fishing um in that small little area. Um, and if you guys can picture Dorothy Park, there is really only I don't know how many feet,

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not very many feet of shoreline that anyone could be casting off from. And there and it that it's a little What am I trying to say? Um, >> an inlet. Yeah, it's almost like a little inlet because there's and the the

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docks for bordering properties really are kind of not that far out in front of where someone might be casting. So, I can see where this is a a concern. Um um so that that is something I'd like to

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talk about because that fishing is also happening at the beach across >> close to the swimming area. >> Yeah. and that is not supposed to be happening. And there are plenty of places on Silver Lake where you can fish from the dot. There's two different DNR

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type peers. And also, I would say even if you weren't going to go to one of those, which I'm not really recommending. I'm recommending the peers. Um there's shoreline that no one's going to swim near or it's not near anybody's dock if you really must,

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you know, cast from the shore. there are plenty of other places to do it and I I really can't see why that would be anyone's first choice for fishing. Um, so but I would like to talk about the signage because I feel like that's kind

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of a no-brainer and it applies to every park that we have. Um, so this isn't really just about Dorothy, but um, our signs up, you know, talk about tobacco use or no, you know, no tobacco

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use, and we probably need to update that. Um, I did a little exploration for how, you know, other cities are treating, you know, vaping and marijuana use. And um I think we could we need to update our

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signage in our parks in all of our parks to just rep you know just show no smoking, no vaping and no marijuana use in the in this public space. Um

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so I thoughts about that. I didn't even realize we used no tobacco in this parks signs. So, this is kind of new to me, so I'm kind of absorbing it if I'm sitting here thinking for a second. Um, >> yeah, >> I don't necessarily have an opinion about that. My fear is

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signs do help neighbors kind of help patrol that a little bit, but like Sarah said, if the police are ramping up to to circle this, how else are we going to enforce all these rules? You know, I I think I think they're all valid, everything that you that's being said. I

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just want to know how we're going to enforce it or how we've enforced things like that in the past. It seems like a no-brainer obviously not to fish near where children are swimming, but um and I do think parents would probably say something to somebody, but in a place like Dorothy Park, if it I don't know if

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it helps the neighbors to have more signage so they can say something, but they shouldn't have to be the police on >> Yeah. And I don't even know if it's to back up neighbors saying things. I think it's just something that and and we've

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never, you know, like enforcing has never enforcement has never been kind of like something that oh, we're really looking for, you know, it's like >> um it it just it's nice to have the

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standard set, you know? It's like, oh, no smoking. Oh, no vaping. Oh, no, you know, marijuana use. I'm not saying if you see somebody vaping they're going to be cuffed and stuffed wrapped up to city hall. I'm not saying that. But um it it

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at least gives people, you know, some awareness of whether it's permitted or not. >> Are they encroaching on private property or just casting into the area? >> It sounds like a little bit of both is

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happening. And when it becomes the private when they're encroaching on private property, it certainly is a 911 issue that should be called in. I know that that can be tough for residents also to that live there and call 911 and that >> yeah, >> there can also be disputes with that as

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well. Um, but that's certainly more of an enforcement thing and we would encourage residents to put no trespassing signs also. Um, but it is happening. They are fishing right off of the shore on Dorothy as well.

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Really close to where all the kids are playing also. So, >> are they um Oh, never mind, Cole. I lost lost track. >> So, I definitely understand. Oh, I'm sorry. I definitely understand the want

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for the messaging to be out there. I know that we've talked in the past that after you've seen a sign a couple of times, you stop seeing the sign and you stop reading it and stops becoming relevant. And so I'm trying to think

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creatively about what potential vis like visibility markers we could put there. And I don't know if this is feasible, but like I know sometimes in park areas it's not necessarily clear where it transitions from public to private. Um,

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so if there's any sort of like non-invasive boundary type marker for the shore, like specifically on the shoreline, I you probably don't want to do buoys cuz you don't want people like swimming there, but like a flag or, you know, something so it becomes clear that

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the whole shoreline is not part of Dorothy Park. Um, might be something that we could do. And I I know that our focus is Dorothy. Also, the fishing on Silver by the swimming area is also a big concern. I don't live on the lake,

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but I spend a lot of time at that beach and there are people who are they're like literally right on the line of the >> the buoys. >> Um, and I didn't know you couldn't smoke in our parks because people smoke all the time um at the beach. And so >> I was going to ask if that was a

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citywide rule with parks or just that park. >> Citywide. Citywide. Okay. >> Do the residents in the area by Dorothy uh know that they should call anything in because I remember when we had South uh Southwood Nature issues and people

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weren't calling in because it's like, "Oh, it's just a dog here." No, the police told us, >> "Call it in. Don't get involved. Just call it in and then they can make a record of it." I'm wondering if the DNR can we talked to DNR about whether we can put swimming area buoy out or no

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swimming or no DNR might be able to do something about it too. >> Absolutely. With the calling the police that's a really large issue I think for people most of us grew up thinking that's only for emergencies and don't call 911 and

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that's not the case anymore. Um so it's hard for people to wrap their brain around that. call them if you see something like that. Um, doesn't mean they're going to come screaming with lights and sirens, but that they're going to respond. Um, so that's something we're always trying to navigate and I would encourage the residents there to call if they see

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something. Um, as far as the DNR goes, are you thinking at Dorothy Park like you'd want something in the water? Is that something you're suggesting or >> I think there's room. I think more I even just like I honest I'm kind of stuck on like a flag or you know like or

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a I don't know some some small visual of some sort >> that would show the boundaries. >> Sure. >> Of at least like don't cross this line. >> Are you talking about in the water or >> No, on the shoreline >> but on the shoreline with the understanding that it like extends out.

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>> So >> I don't know. It also is not that's not a perfect solution either. Now, there's a spot on White Bear that had two boundaries. One was a swimming area. >> Mhm. >> And then there was the uh the note that says no no boats or in this area due to

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a swimming area, but there was that buffer zone in there so swimmers didn't keep going right off to the edge there, but we were able to make that buffer zone. >> Sure. Another thought too, just in the short term, since getting big signs can be take a little time, do they make like

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little yard stake type signs that say like no fishing here that we could just stick on the boundary like on the left side of Silver Lake Beach or just things to remind people when they walk over there. They're like, "Oh, it says no, like it's clearly no fishing." Just cuz like Laura said, you might not see some of these signs. And if I was a kid, I'd

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have no idea you couldn't fish on the shoreline of Dorothy. Um, and maybe we haven't made that a clear rule. Um, >> it's not technically in our ordinance. We we allow fishing off of the shoreline. So, that's also a larger

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discussion if we want it. We can't fish at the beach. That's that's a clear rule. But, as far as the other shorelines, it doesn't specifically call that out. However, that is something we could suggest doing is changing the ordinance um to either not allow it or

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phrase it in that we designate places that it's not permitted. So, if we decide we want to put signs at Dorothy that say you can't fish off of the shoreline here, that that's okay by ordinance. Um certainly an option. >> Yeah, we do have we have a sign at

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Silver that says no fishing in the beach area. Um, >> I do, uh, oh my gosh, I do think that there's like an education piece to this, too, right? Because if you approach this from a way that isn't just punitive of

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you stepped in it, now you're in trouble. >> Um, how can we also in like educate people on where they can fish? >> Yeah. >> Because we don't want to discourage fishing. That's not that's absolutely not what we're trying to do. We're just

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trying to make sure that the space where people are fishing is a space that makes sense. >> Mhm. >> So, in the same vein of no fishing here, can you know, is there also an element of here's where you can fish type piece

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so that you're proactively getting that messaging out too. >> Yeah. >> Well, it's something that Ava can put in her weekly update as well. Fishing areas. And I do know we have a lot of young Fisher people too. So that is

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making that messaging available to kids in some way. I I don't have that solution, but I you know there's this very like small town feel of kids biking to the >> We see them all the time on our street. >> Yeah. With their with their fishing poles and it's adorable and I I do not

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want to discourage that at all. In fact, I find it highly enjoyable to see. Um, and and also like let's make sure that we aren't getting kids in trouble who are just trying to go fishing and they don't know what they don't know. >> Right. Right.

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>> And I I don't think we're only talking about kids. >> No, I know we aren't, but I also >> but that's a really good point. Um, I like the idea of making it very clear, making the messaging clear, like fishing is not permitted here, but these are all the options you have on Silver Lake and

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and just making them, you know, because that could be just simply the closest place to their house and they're not really aware. >> Um, I think people will understand the beach area >> a little bit more. But, um, >> but even then, I just and and we've

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talked about the signage, how the signage Originally, we only had signage up kind of by the path, and nobody really looks at that. In fact, I went to Dorothy right after the email came in about these concerns, and I was like, "Whoa, I better go check this out." And

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I parked my car and walked, you know, looking at the be looking, you know, for the the issues. Walked right by the signage and I thought, I wonder where the signs are. And of course, they're back by the road where as you approach a park, you're usually

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looking at the park or beyond it, not so much at the signs as you first arrive. So, um, and I'm not saying there's a better place for those signs because it's such a small park and I don't really want to see a massive sign blocking somebody's

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view. But, um, but yeah, I I think it's hard to notice these signs. But I think we did decide at Silver um near the beach area to add some extra signs that were closer to the water where you might see them cuz somebody biking up is not

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they're probably not going to see the one that's near the path. >> Can we get a hold of maybe talk to the DNR and see what our parameters are? I know, as long as it's on the land, we can tell them no fishing here. But I don't know where the DNR is going to be on what our our responsibility is once

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we get into the water. And the lake association, where are they at? >> Sure. Yeah. We were looking up state laws today, too. And even if you're you step into the lake 6 in, you're technically waiting. Therefore, it is no longer our jurisdiction. It's now the

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DNR that would have to take over. and >> can't do anything about it. >> The DNR is the one who >> helped fund and build the deck at Casey Lake. >> Another thought too, and I don't know that the residents in the site would want this, but would we ever consider putting a small dock in over there so people could get safely out to a place

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where they could fish >> where >> at Dorothy? Is it >> No, it's too small at Dorothy. It's too small. Yeah, it's way too small. >> Okay. So maybe in the interim in the interim we look to see can we put yard

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side or yard style signs >> in the problem areas or highly used areas that say no fishing here. Excuse me. And then we continue to think about >> boundary >> uh how we

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like figure out messaging going forward. Yeah, I will certainly chat with Ava too and see what strategies she would recommend. I will look online to see what other places have done. I'm sure we're not the only ones that have dealt with this. So, >> and I like the boundary delineation as

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well like a the a city just not it doesn't have to be a sign. It's just something that's like clearly marking ah this is this is where the city's boundaries are. I do also want to suggest that we

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possibly create these signs in different languages because I know that fishing is popular in many different cultures and not everybody speaks English as their first language. So, want to put that out there too. >> Um, and then because there were

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additional issues besides just the fishing. So, with the cannabis use and the vaping, that is certainly something I talked to our city manager about today actually because it is a larger issue. I think all the signs are going to need to be changed. So, I think we don't need to necessarily

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vote or do anything with that. I think that's just something we have to do as a city. But, um, as far as the other concerns that were there with like littering or having dogs off leashes or um that sort of thing, is there any recommendations you all or discussion you want to have on that or just

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continue to recommend? Do we have a trash can there? >> That's what I was going to ask. >> I think we do. >> Just one. >> Yeah. Yeah, we do. Sometimes sometimes just the right placement of a trash can can solve a lot of litter issues. >> Um is it

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>> it's kind of upfront near the path I think. >> Would you Yeah. Okay. Um maybe maybe one more you know I don't know where the trash is ending up. Um but maybe we add an extra can.

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um something that's not a problem to mow around for the public works people and um but I I think I'll go scope it out again and kind of take a look at that and see if maybe that's something. Um

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unfortunately the litter you can only do so much about. >> Yeah. >> Uh the dog portion of it is it frequent enough that we would want a dogs must be on leash >> we already have sign as but no like where we're doing the fishing and stuff

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too. >> Can we like can the sign say >> can it say something like I don't know sign one sign that says no or >> I've lost the plot dogs must be

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>> we should really have one at all the parks that say that. >> Yeah, I think we do. >> I think they're very small. >> They're usually where the dog poop bags thing. >> Yeah. Um, but if this is a an issue that's being brought to our attention, I don't disagree with that strategy either, at least temporarily.

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>> Agree. >> That awareness. >> Yep. >> Um, I can certainly work on that. And again, unofficially, um, there are much better places that one could I, you know, I've seen this

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over by my end of the our where I live. Um, where people train their dogs to retrieve uh something in the water, and it's it's cool. It's fun. And I'm not usually afraid of those dogs, but um I'm not saying, "Yay, come do that." But I can't even imagine that it would make

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sense to do it on that tiny bit of shoreline by Dorothy. It's so small there. Um, so, uh, anyway, but I Okay. Do Bill, you didn't really

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have a chance to say anything. Would you like to say anything specifically? >> Not specifically. Um, yeah, I've just been agreeing, you know, about what we're saying here. >> Okay. Um, you know, maybe I have one thing to say.

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Before this meeting, I went over to, you know, Dorothy Park and, um, there was a family of like six to 10 people fishing in that little spot and there was a canoe that was actually like just taken out. So, I was just thinking like there's going to be a canoe person through and they're going to interrupt,

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you know, these six or 10 people fishing. So, >> um, >> wow, that's a lot. >> Yeah. So, there's going to be a little bit of a confrontation there. probably minimal, but I I do agree with the idea to get some signage, you know, right signage for the right situations so that people are at least aware of,

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>> you know, what the expectations are. >> Okay, perfect. >> Would would the commission be interested in specifically I don't even know if this is really an option, but I'm just curious if we called out by ordinance ordinance specifically Dorothy Park we don't allow

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fishing there. And I say that because it's so small that is that worth would you be in favor of just by ordinance saying we don't allow it there? >> I just I don't I don't want to police ourselves into a problem. Like I don't I

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want my personal thinking >> and I'm open to other feedback is that we see if this does something instead of going there and if it doesn't improve then we explore maybe bigger type

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things. But I am open to what other people think as well. >> But you would you be in agreeance of the no fishing signs at Dorothy yard signs? Okay. >> Yeah. I don't I don't feel like we need to jump to ordinance yet. >> Um but if people feel strongly about that too, like we should have that conversation.

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>> Mhm. >> Yeah. I the idea of taking this first step. >> All right, Sarah, I got a I got a little >> question for you. >> Sure. >> So, we put the signs out, which is a great idea. You can't cast offshore. Sounds like from this email they're

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walking out into the water, >> casting while they're in the water, which becomes the DNR's issue. >> So, we're if we say no, you can't fish, >> then you can't fish on land, but then they start walking out. I I wonder if we can have some sort of community

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education like Laura was saying >> because it's a it's kind of a >> sticky situation because you when you're out in a boat or canoe, you can cast anywhere in the water. I get there's docks and stuff, but

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>> a lot of people will cast under the docks because that's where the fish are. >> Yeah. Frankly, that's a discussion that our PD has been working on too is Yeah. What do we do if they take two steps into the water? It's now they're waiting and they can fish there. Um, we don't

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have jurisdiction over that. It's certainly something we're discussing. I don't have an answer for that at the moment, but certainly something we can discuss with the DNR too and what they might have recommendations. I'm not sure. Um yeah, maybe they could say,

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well, there has to be a certain large area before we can call it a fishing area or DNR can no fishing in this area due to whatever reason. >> It does sound like that conversation is ongoing and like in the in the scope of

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our influence. >> PD has more influence in that. So, I think that we lean into the fact that PD is already having that conversation. We try to mitigate with popup signs. We do some educational pieces and we see what

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happens because that's like a pretty broadscale intervention. >> So give it a month and see what it looks like. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. Okay. Any more thoughts, discussion around

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Dorothy Park? Okay. So, we also agreed that we are going to table the feedback sign until next meeting cuz Rachel isn't here. Um, and that's that was her idea. So, we are going to get into the CIP discussion

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now. Um, Sarah, I imagine you have lots to say, >> right? Um so in the packet I provided the CIP that you all helped put together last year um for the parks. Um so what

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we are asking for as staff is for you to review this um hopefully you have um and make any suggested adjustments um any new recommendations, anything you may want to see removed. um

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keeping in mind that um council has made a goal that they don't want to raise the levy necessarily. So um adding a lot of expenses would probably be um frowned upon. Um and then just stressing to

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continue prioritizing the projects like you have been. Um, and then, um, what we'll do from here is when you give me your recommendations, I will bring that back to staff and we'll review just like we did last year, um, before it goes in front of council. Um, two things I do

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want to mention. Um, the first is there's two things at the very top for Mcnite, um, regarding park fencing and the dugouts. Um I think we should recommend to push those out even to 2035 because we don't know what >> yep >> is coming.

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>> Um my project first comment was to move those. >> Um so perfect. We we'll talk about that and then the other ones um even though we're going to make all these recommendations today. We do understand that the Casey Lake hockey rink um or the active playground as it's listed on

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here is still up in the air. We haven't heard about the grant yet. So, we can't really make conscious decisions on their good decisions on that today. And same with Mcnite. Um, we did talk today with WSB, our city's um, contracted

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engineers, and we talked through um, a contract for preliminary design development with them. Um, so we're working on finalizing that. Basically what that is is to conduct uh geotechnical exploration, asbestous and regulated material surveys, wetland

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delineations and more. Just trying to figure out what um is actually completely feasible there. They're also going to design make a couple of um design options. When those are available, they're going to come and present those to you guys. Um but at the moment, we're talking through the

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contract to kind of get the ball rolling. Um hopefully bring that to council here soon. Um, so as far as the Mcnite things go in here, like the playground, the skatepark, and all that, obviously that can change as we're going along with these um, design concepts and

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they have phasing options and such. So, um, my recommendation would be to focus on everything else in here and anything new as well. Um, but I will turn it over to you all and have have a discussion.

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start down the road. >> We can or will you >> Yeah, the deck. Uh we may want to start getting quotes on what it's going to run to do that or if we can get another

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uh Boy Scout, which built that 101 15 years ago, to redo it as an Eagle Scout project. That's a possibility. that >> know that metal bridge that you're talking about because my kids used to bounce off of it all the time >> and they

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>> it's listed as 2030. So was your suggestion to move it up or to just start? >> Yeah, I would I would move it up. It's getting a little deteriorated. I would move it up >> Oh, in the next three, four years. Well, that would be about 20. >> That would be I would bring it out to

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about 2028 or so. just at least start getting some quotes on what it's going to run to have that thing built or inquire with the Boy Scouts whether they'd be considered building something over there.

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>> Can I clarify, Lloyd? Um, you're talking about there's a It says, are you talking about the observation deck or the middle bridge? >> Yeah, observation deck. >> Observation deck. Okay. And are you saying that could be a scout project? It was a scout project at one time and I

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think it may be a be a scout project again that was built oh 15 years ago. Dave Dave Nelson and I and >> and several boy the boy scouts. >> My maybe also talking to North High or

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um the Century College building programs since >> um they seem to be doing a lot of partnership with the city. Maybe they could too. Maybe we could fund money for like a for uh like plastic decking or something that lasts longer. >> Yeah,

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>> it's a great idea, Sarah. >> All right. Um if I could take one step back, please. Can we start talking about what we have proposed for 2027 first and then we can look at what's coming up in the future. So it looks like for 2027

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our sole focus is make. Am I reading that correctly? >> Yes. >> Okay. Are are people on board with that? >> Well, how much can we do? We do a

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development over there as far as this store this whole storage thing. Is that going to affect us in any way? >> We don't know yet. >> We don't know yet. But the approach that we have been proposing is that we don't tackle McNight as one giant project. We

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tackle it as multiple mini projects. And so the start of that would be implementing the flex field and a playground. That those are the two places that we would start >> and tearing down the all the courts and you know. >> Yep. Exactly.

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>> Which would probably or could happen in 2026 or they have to wait till the surveys are done for that. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Got it. Um, I had one other proposal for 2027 in regards to KBY Lake Hills, which, um, I'm not sure if people got time to pop

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by that park and take a look at that little >> I mentioned, >> um, the homework assignment I gave everybody, >> but I do know what that >> Don't worry, I'm bad about doing my homework assignments. Um, so I wanted to get anyone else's thoughts because there is a little field. We used to flood it. It's not really getting flooded anymore.

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We never saw anyone use it. Um I passed by it multiple times a week. Um it got me thinking with seeing the increased use of um volleyball parks in the city and knowing that we the city kind of vetoed putting any play

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equipment across the street because it encouraged kids go from one playing the other. But we have that great shelter there and thinking that the volleyball courts I' I've been passing are getting a lot of high usage. um that I just kind of want to see other

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people's thoughts and I don't even know if it's regulation size, but I thought that could be a really nice for like maybe not the concrete barrier, the super fancy, but just a simple kind of in the grass kind of I don't know because you see people go on fields and set up a volleyball net. I just think

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back that park would get better utilized if we put something there that was more like entertainment featured. Um, I don't think that would be terribly expensive, but that was going to be my suggestion after thinking about not putting play equipment there, but seeing every

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volleyball thing I pass is completely full on these nice nights. You even pass parks like over on the other side of the Goodrich golf course like people just staking stuff in the ground and doing their own bad mitten or maybe it's a bad mitten. I don't know. But I think something like that could be nice there.

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um low cost um and would help bring more people to that park to utilize that shelter which is actually super nice there that doesn't get a lot of use. >> A nice shelter. >> So the only I I agree because we're seeing a lot of volleyball pop up. Only thing that will increase cost is it will have to be ADA accessible. So there

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>> we just had to put like a ramp on the ramp. >> Maybe not the worst thing anyways. Um >> correct. >> But just as far as for proposing costs, keep that in mind. >> If I'm remembering correctly, isn't it slightly depressed? Isn't it lower than the road? >> No. No. It's a curb and then it's just

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right at the curb. >> Okay. I'm thinking of We're talking about the park across the street from the little lot. >> Yeah. The lot >> really only gets used to flood, but it's not big enough for soccer. It's not big enough. But every time I drive back, I'm like, that's a perfect volleyball. Or maybe this might be cool, too, because

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I've seen a huge increase in bad mitten. Um, and bad mitten is one of the fastest growing sports in the world. Interesting fact. >> Um, it's like the next pickle ball. So, uh, maybe there's a different height regulation for the net that wouldn't oppose the fence. Maybe just worth looking into. I don't know that you have

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to have sand for bad mitten either, which might be nice and you wouldn't have to keep all that sand over there. I wonder if there's a when I think of using that park, you know, for um multi-use, I think, you know, are is there a way we could have the the the

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poles and then it h, you know, be adjustable or like you could sub out a volleyball net or a bad mitten net. I I don't know enough about um how different those heights are, but I'm sure they're different. Um, like you know, like if we

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had the proper staking in the ground, would it help people to put in bring their own nets maybe or maybe the city owns a couple and >> Well, currently I think they're just the wooden poles that we attach the Right. the poles stay in all year and then we just put the nets up. >> Yeah.

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>> Yeah. >> So, I mean, I think if you just do that and then what's nice about the wooden posts is they kind of blend into the nature a little bit. They don't look like >> Yeah. because we don't want them pounding obviously because they come in with their own nets, >> right? >> What they're going to have. >> That's true. But people are doing that anyways. But

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>> I just think that that seems to be something I'm seeing utilized a lot since this park isn't utilized a lot, but could um I think that that could be a nice thing. So that was my really only suggestion for 2026 2027. um if people would be open to that or

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even looking or asking um public works if they think there is one neighbor to the one side so that is the one thing I could see but we've also had an ice skating rink there which would arguably create as much noise if you're you know um but

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my god >> and there aren't any lights which would prevent people from playing too late >> I don't believe there's lights I don't believe there's lights but there's street lights and there's probably a street light strategically on that corner if I had to guess because it's pretty well lit if I drive past it in my I'm thinking

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>> but >> I'd be open to it >> I think so I remember we've been discussing this for a while like that lot and specifically that lot use and we asked the neighbors in the area what they would like to see in that area or

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in that lot and after many many discussions they wanted to just keep it as a blank lot like we threw out community garden, we threw out more formal stuff, we threw out um some sort of like mini soccer something

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and every time they just said that they just wanted it to be a regular lot. Yeah, >> I don't remember that. I remember doing that with that country club lot. >> Yes. >> I don't remember this feedback for this lot. >> I don't think we ever proposed a garden this here at Kobe. >> This was with across the street from

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Kobe, right? That's what we're talking about. Yeah. >> Across the street from the um >> from the shelter. Yeah. >> Yeah. When Deborah was still here, we talked about it and I was it was as we were getting rid of the cow community garden. Got it. >> That we talked about wanting to implement, we were like, okay, we can't

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do it there. Can we do it here? And the neighborhood was very much like, no. >> Yeah, I I kind of get that. Um because like if I you know picture like throwing a football with a kid or a family football game or something like that sometimes you just want a little a

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little open area to be able to use. Um and I think that's kind of and it also you know um kids could play soccer. They don't need nets. Um they could you know have their own little net back here and maybe a shoe over here. You know what I

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mean? we used it back in my you know >> I just wondered like do people know that it's a space that they have access to like do people know that it's a like again with our popup signs which apparently is a theme like and I'm not opposed to what you're saying cuz I it

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is a great volleyball spot and it's a great bad mitten spot and it's a great soccer spot and football like there's so much use that >> I would be kind of concerned if we turn it into one thing if we then like limit its use even more. >> Yeah. >> So, is there a way to let people know

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again, hey, this is Park Space? I don't I don't know. >> There is a tiny little sign that says Kobby Hills Annex. >> Yeah, it's on the It's on the fence. Yeah, >> that's right. >> Cuz I always used to think it was like a lot for sale. You could see it's pretty clearly marked. Like pretty easy to see

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where you drive in. I don't disagree that, you know, with the demographics of the park, who knows whether like my kids aged out of that playground really early, but that actually is my neighborhood park, but my kids >> have no use at that neighborhood park. So, my thinking was, what could my kids

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do >> that would bring utilization to that park other than just babies and toddlers? And to me, my kids have been like, they're now on a volleyball kick for some reason. So, that got me thinking. And then I started thinking every time I go past it, >> but we don't just go up there for an empty lot, but we have the privilege of

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having it in our yard. And I can see what you're saying where not everyone may have that. Um, >> but I do I do agree with you because you have brought up a couple of times that like >> it's underutilized that the the park is underutilized. >> It's underutilized and I would say most of the demographics I see in that city

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are probably 12 plus. So you have a lot of teenagers. So we obviously aren't going to put a skate park or something like that next to that. But what could groups of kids do to entertain themselves because they're not going to but that because they can sit under that pergola and hang out or that building

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which is nice but it's like we have this nice amenity and kind of no reason to bring people to use it. I know that when we had started conversations with Northwood or what we were going to do with Northwood, we knew that a lot of Maplewood Middle Schoolers

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spent time in that park after school because it ended like 2 hours before um elementary schools. And so they would just like go hang out and gather. And part I remember part of that discussion was thinking about can we make a space for that age group just to gather and

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like the pergola is great and whatever but can we think intentionally about an older audience like something we could do in that space but as I'm saying that also that then removes our opportunity to do any sort of like flex field type stuff >> too. So

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>> I'm wondering Oh go ahead. >> That doesn't seem like that big of a space for flex field space. You can't really play soccer. You can kick it back and forth, but it's not long enough to It's not even like a quarter field, >> right? >> Sorry, I'm using flex space or flex field in the in the wrong way. I don't

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mean like a formal >> a formal one. Yeah, it's a it's a yard basically. >> Pretty much. Yeah. >> Yeah. >> What were you going to say, Sarah? >> I have an idea that I'm wondering. This is kind of based off of your idea for messaging. Something I was going to propose was I w

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I would like to see Ava do like a monthly highlight on a park >> each month like a video series >> and I'm wondering if we do that and we start or one of the first ones is Colby Hills and we talk about that open space being available

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>> and we see if that ups usage there at all. And if it doesn't re-evaluate, maybe we put I know it's not that big, but if we put small soccer nets up there or something that you can still have the open space, but there's some sort of an amenity something. >> That's what I was going to say like

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soccer nets. What if there are soccer nets that are easy to move back, you know? >> She even ask in the video like do you what do you like that? Do you like it the way it is? Do you would you like to see something else here? Um do you come to this park? >> Yeah. >> Do you know it exists?

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>> I think that's a great idea, too. And I I realize I'm referencing conversations that happened pre um pandemic and so a lot has changed and the way that people interact with each other in the world has drastically changed. So that was important and valuable feedback then but

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this is also an opportunity to ask for new feedback from new community members and existing community members to say hey tell us what you think. >> It's interesting because this kind of rolls into the feedback signage that Rachel >> Exactly. Yeah. But maybe we do it from this angle of the videos cuz she does

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get a lot of traction on those. Yep. >> And seeing what feedback we can get and just do >> one park a month, not overwhelm. >> Yeah. >> Um but we can start with Colby Hills and see I think it's great that we could share it out. I mean just in my road in the road behind me the demographics have

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changed so much in the the since co that you know we might have a different audience of people looking for stuff different than what we made plans with on this CIP many years ago. So >> yeah. So maybe in an effort to follow our our previous conversation of let's

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not go so big, but let's start start small and like ask good questions and um talk to our community members and do some education and messaging and see what happens. >> Yeah, I think that I think that's great. Do people feel okay with that?

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>> Mhm. >> I guess would you feel okay with the timeline? And like let's say we find that out this year, would we want to react to that for 2027 to do it? That's the only thing I would want to say is could we take the 25,000 and move it to 2027 >> and then get rid of it if we're not

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going to use it if people come back and say no, we just want this green field layout on. Um would that be okay? because that was something we would want to get approved now to move that 20 because I feel like 25,000 would mostly be covering the ADA part of that because I can't imagine the volleyball

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>> stuff unless they you know that's that's feedback city works can give us whether they even need to do sand or whether they can just stake in the ground and leave it grass and then they can still mow it easily or whatever. So >> yeah, >> feel like that's a totally reasonable request. >> Okay. >> Yeah.

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So, we're going to move the um 25,000 from 2032 to 2027 >> and then uh if we and and then based on the feedback we get, we might move forward with that or we might just say >> drop it. >> Yeah. Right. Right.

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>> Perfect. >> Like it. >> Okay. And so in that same vein, just cuz it seems like we're all okay with the 2027 focuses being Mcnite and now this. Are there any other things that have come up for people where they're like, I

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really think we need to move on this nowish? >> I have one more. Um, just based on our park cleanup, uh, two things. One's really, really simple and hopefully doable, but I think we need to add a trash can to this could have been ended

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notes, but, uh, a trash can to the PCU pond, maybe two of them, while they're mowing to pick up. I'll go into that later in those reports. But um the other one is I ended up talking with public works when I was doing the environmental

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uh area cleanup. And um I was laughing with them because I usually you can't walk the full path because of how wet it gets back there. But it's actually a really cool trail if no one's ever done it. The problem is you never actually can do it. And I thought I could because I'm like it hasn't rained in a month. So, I started walking on the trail and I

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ended up in like what I thought was the Serengeti and I'm like I had flip-flops on and I was unprepared for this situation because it had not been mowed. And I talked to the city workers about it and I said, "Oh, why haven't you guys mowed it?" And they're like, "Well, usually we can't cuz like whenever there's water, but there hasn't been." And I said, "Do you guys ever get to

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really fully mow this?" And they're like, "Not usually." So, we have a really cool trail and half of it has a or not half, but a part of it has a boardwalk on it on the back side. Um, but we really need that boardwalk to extend closer to the bus garage because

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basically that trail is unusable forever according to city works because they can't mow it. >> Yeah. It's like a quarter. You're just missing a quarter. >> But the outside when you come in from the neighborhood, it's actually really cool and you're like, "Yeah, >> oh, okay." Um, and I know that could be an expensive project, but I would love

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to at least start the research of understanding or working with the DNR or whoever would help. We'd have to probably get in with the watershed district. >> The waterershed goofy because we talked about this last year and I remember them saying something like we don't own all of it and it's kind of goofy. So

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>> yeah, I can super cool it >> conversation, >> but it'd be nice for people to actually be able to use that. Um, and I say now that because it's it's been dry for 2 months and they still can't mow it. So when are we ever like that's not a normal spring for us. So it'd be nice just to be able to extend. And I don't

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think it has public works can probably tell you exactly where they know where they stopped mowing. But it was far enough that I couldn't make it even just trailing it from where that part the woods ended. Um so maybe it's just finding the research of whether whether we can what those floating boardwalks

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>> would cost us so we can get an estimate for maybe 2027 2028 or something. >> I don't think that's a bad idea. And I do think that we should contact the watershed because it is a really cool walk, >> but you're stuck for like >> maybe two blocks worth of distance if

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that. I mean, it's so >> Well, I'm stubborn and I was going and my boyfriend's like, "I'll wait here. You let me know if you" and I'm like, "No, they mow it. We'll find it." And I could not find it. And I ended up this old deep with the I said, "Okay, I'm turning back. I'm turning back." But it was a long turn back. Like I walked

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pretty far. I consider possibly putting on waiters like just to see if it's a pond or if it's cuz it's it look I mean it's >> clearly wetlands. >> Never been back there. >> I wonder too like I know it's the watershed is involved but could they

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strategically create some sort of like rain garden or you know some sort of natural fixture that allows both the water to drain more and the boardwalk to go in. >> Yeah. I >> I don't know. I think it's worth a try to give them. K.

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>> I think it's worth asking. I hesitate to put anything in the CIP in the hopes that the wershed would play nice and maybe be interested in spending some of their own money as well. >> There might be grant funding, but I'm happy to start the conversation again with public works and have them reach out to

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>> Watershed and see kind of where we can go from there. >> Great. More than happy to do that. >> Do we need to put money down to get a trash can at PCU Pond? Okay. We'll talk about go to that more in the clean up. >> Okay. >> I did I did ask them once like the day

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after cuz Rachel contacted me too. >> Yeah. >> Um so I don't know if it's actually treasures treasures to be found at that place. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Uh okay. How uh

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any other things that people want to bring up for 2027? feedback on the Gaga ball pets. >> I have not heard anything. Has anybody else heard? >> Maybe we can put a sign by it >> for feedback

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>> because they're out there for Gaga. >> What? >> They're out there, right? >> That was that sounded that that was deeply sarcastic, but I actually I'm sorry. I that could be an opportunity for the feedback signs that Rachel's talking about too. So

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>> for the video, >> yes, >> be great in a video. >> That would I retract my sarcasm. Sorry. >> Sorry. >> Not allowed. So not moved. >> Okay. So I do I have Lloyd. I have been hearing you all say that that observation deck needs replacement for a

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while. It's a couple of years it has been said. um >> just the pinion and it's getting it wasn't designed exactly how it should be. So, it needs to have some redesigned

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redesigned >> like fully torn down. Redesigned. >> Yes. Yes. >> Okay. And I and like Sarah said, we put a long-term plastic >> boarding in like we got now because it

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was I I bet it's 15 years ago at least when we uh started we built that thing. And I know the the footings aren't quite what they should have been. >> Yep. >> So I would like to move >> um >> to like 20. you're going to look at

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probably an >> 80 to $100,000 >> with that. So that's the only Yeah, >> it's going to be very expensive, but in the long run, it'll be a benefit >> because it'll make it longterm instead of >> what if we how would we feel about

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moving it to 2028 and then we in 2028 have that in or as we move through the year and the next year we have that in mind as uh learning from Mcnite um tennis courts

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we don't allow ourselves to let it get that out of disrepair and and um pushed aside. >> I just like to Yeah, I'd like two years started. >> 28. Okay. >> Okay. >> Just get the ball rolling. >> Perfect. Are we Do you want to increase

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that budget request, keeping in mind the the you know, like I mentioned before, the tax levy and all that too. We don't want to push everything to the next two years. We got to make sure we're pushing some things back out then if we're >> I don't think we should in I don't think we should increase it yet. I think we

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should move it up to 2028 and see where we're at. >> If we can get the labor by the Boy Scouts, >> right? >> That's half the cost. >> And again, we like Yeah, I think just being being really strategic about how

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we do it. um being really strategic about how we do it, making sure that we do it when it's right and we don't push it off and we weigh the benefit of free labor to save some, you know, just like Yeah. >> And maybe the maybe the uh city

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inspector or whoever go can go over there and decide whether those footings are appropriate. We can just >> take the thing down and >> Yeah. and then put the new footings in or just build around the the frame. And >> the footings are going to be a

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>> right >> an issue right there. But if we if we can reuse them, that would be great. >> This line item also includes the bridge. So, do you want to separate that or >> honestly, yes, because the bridge is not going to be that expensive to fix,

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right? >> It's the metal. I would suggest you take we take the bridge out and put like a little wood >> That's what I was Yeah. >> Yeah. I don't know what that was. >> So, do you want to keep those two line items together though? >> Do we keep them together >> or do we want to separate and do the bridge a different year?

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>> Oh, I feel like the bridge could be done sooner rather than later which is but again I don't want to overload, >> right? >> Like we all want things to happen fast and we all have kind of agreed that McNight needs to be our focus. So I

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think what you're saying is I think that in the future maybe they do get pulled out because one is a significantly smaller >> project but for right now I think we just leave it. >> Okay. >> All together. >> Yeah. Just leave it together. It will be future uses discussion.

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>> We can go back and visit it. >> Yeah. Exactly. >> Okay. >> Thank you Laura. >> Yep. Okay. And so again, kind of in that same conversation, we don't we don't want to overload the next two years with tasks.

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So as we're looking at this, is there anything that's people are seeing that says this absolutely in my mind needs to happen in the next 2 or 3 years and isn't planned for? >> No, >> I don't.

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>> Okay. All right. So Sarah, is there any more that you need from us in regards to that? >> Not for the next couple years. >> Okay. >> So yeah, just now looking ahead if there's any other adjustments pushing

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some items. Something that I'm seeing right now with 2028 is the downtown open space and noting how you're feeling if you want to keep that that soon or push that out while we still continue to focus on Mcnite. um kind of just looking

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more longterm cuz that is a downtown open space is a big cost also. So >> that's a whole another can of worms. Mhm. >> I think the downtown open space honestly has to be one of those that's

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I don't know what to say but like convenient to build when the money's a little more convenient too which we may not know the true cost of Mcnite until it's done. So I certainly don't think it to me like 2028's probably too premature

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for that. I'd say probably 2030 at the earliest and maybe we just play with that third street and the downtown. I would almost say the third street could be more important than the downtown based on density of population. Um but

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>> we also as kind of Laura said that right now it's a green space and probably used by people as like a little field which is harder to come by when you're in downtown versus like Kby Hills where it's mostly just single family homes. Um, so I I wouldn't worry about that one as much, you know, because especially because the design layout was more just

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sitting and >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, we'll put that one out to 2030. One other thing I just noticed on here was Tower Park. I know it's only $2,000 for the Gaga Ball Pit because we got

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money reallocated to a water tower there. We don't know what that playground park situation is going to look like. I would almost just remove that for the time being. >> Okay. >> And then once we have clearer vision in

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the coming years, we can readress. >> Sounds great. >> Okay. Okay. Are we okay to move on? >> Yep. >> I'm good. >> Okay. We don't need any motion, anything for moving stuff. >> Let's do I don't know

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>> like a broad sweeping one. >> Yeah. >> Uh >> just all the all the recommendations we talked about today. I think I can do it maybe. >> Yeah. Okay. I make a motion to um

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uh move up uh Colby Hills $25,000 to 2027. I move to push the Mcnite Fields fencing and Mcnitefields dugouts to 2034.

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I propose we take the $45,000 from Southwood and move up to 2028. I propose we push the downtown open space funding from 2028 to 2030. And

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I don't think we actually have that one in there. >> And to add trash cans at the PCU pod. So cute. >> And remove Tower Park. and remove Tower Park 2000 until we have clarity on the uh water tower. >> Perfect.

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>> I second. Did you talk about the open space one? >> Yes. >> Moving that. Okay. Voila. >> Oh, we need discussion. >> Yeah. >> Oh, that Oh, I'm like we're good. Discussion. Who's in charge?

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Okay. All those in favor. >> All those opposed. >> Great. Okay. Um, reports from staff. >> Um, I only have one. Well, first I want to thank everyone that was able to participate in the parks cleanup day. Um, I think next

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year we'll need to continue to have a conversation on um, what we should do to increase participation. Um, something I just want to throw out in the ether is maybe focusing on two parks versus four, kind of concentrating efforts. Um, but

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we can certainly have that discussion as we get closer to next year. Um, and then the other thing is that the Polar Park ribbon cutting took place. Bill was able to attend which was wonderful um, last week and just wanted to thank you all again for your work and input on that as

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well. And we've gotten some really great feedback. So, um, people excited to have it. >> They are. >> Oh, good. >> Um, so >> playground in. >> Yay. >> How could we forget? >> That's all I got. >> It's our speedy speedy playground. >> What if we paired the medallion hunt

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with cleanup day and you had to find a treasure in one of the parks? >> In the treasure in the >> in the treasure in the trash. >> Trash to treasure. >> Interesting. >> I like it. >> You'll want to put it at PCU pond. >> Yeah.

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All right. Okay. That's future uses discussion. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Let's do Oh, I'm sorry. Sarah, were you done? >> Yeah, I'm done. Thank you. >> Okay. Uh All right. Let's do reports from commissioners and park leaison. Ingred, are you ready to be put on the spot to start for um Yeah. Do you have

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anything to >> Yeah, I we had a I want to talk about the cleanup. We had a good turnout. Um the lake association is always they they always have a lot of people show up. I think we had about 12. I think I told you Sarah maybe. I don't know. I might

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that might be wrong. Um but I was in a canoe. I was in a kayak and clearing along the shore. Um uh some lake association people cleared all the way around. They had a pile of stuff in their canoe. >> I saw that picture.

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>> Uh yeah, the grabbers were amazing to have. That is a wonderful addition this year. Um and I I would like to see that every year. the you know a little supply of those. I know we we lost one of ours or somebody

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somebody's got a a grabber. We had we had five and I was able to return four. But um anyway uh but those were those were really cool. I liked that a lot and it was especially helpful getting shoreline stuff um you know from a kayak

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um uh or even if you're standing on the shore and just reaching. So that was and and uh you know I I we you know we'll talk about this for next year but um I would to me it's such a great

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opportunity for young families um to come out for two hours and bring little ones and they can get involved and feel like they're part of the solution and it'll remind them not to litter and it's just kind of a I would like to when we

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are talking about promoting this, you know, really kind of um also skew it skew that marketing or promotion toward young families because I I think that's it's fun. It's it's just a fun family

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activity. And um anyway, it was it's it's a neighborhood bonding experience. Um, I wish that there was a more of a turnout at other parks and I I agree that that's a good idea to focus on I I

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know Silver Lake will always be a part of it. Um, but uh but you know instead of like saying every park, let's just, you know, focus on one major park like PCU Pond or

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Mcnite. Um, so yeah, I agree Sarah. I think that's a good idea. to, you know, lessen the number of parks being addressed each year. So, >> thank you. >> That's it.

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>> Um, I just want to say that Howy Park uh pickle ball courts continue to be highly sought after and just that park in general is continually used. Um, and I'm just happy that we have invested in that space.

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>> Yeah, that's great. Is that new fencing up there? Mhm. The wind or the wind thing. >> It was last fall. I'm >> Oh, the wind screen. >> I feel like it is. >> Okay, cool. >> I haven't turned five. >> Um, I was at the alo the park cleanup. I started at the environmental center and

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it was just me and my partner, so no one else showed up. Um, we were able to get a few bags of trash, but it was mostly near County Road or County Road B South um and Holiday. Uh, so another thought I had is if we partner with these parks

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near businesses, I think it would be great to get the businesses involved. Um, especially when you think around PCU Pond, there's a lot of little businesses right there that might be willing and able to help, >> especially since I think a lot of this trash was coming from holiday consumers. Um, would have been nice for their team

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maybe to pitch in a little bit. Um, we ended up talking to City Works who came by and picked up our trash bags and I asked about how Rachel's area was doing and they said they need help. So, we left. So, we were there about 40 minutes, got a lot of the trash. We

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couldn't walk on the trail as previously mentioned uh to get way back in there. But, um, so we went to PCU Pond and I actually never saw Rachel. I was texting her but I couldn't find her because she was buried knee deep and we only took one little corner. So, there's a bench

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on the little pathway. There's a pathway that goes between 11th and 13th that a lot of people utilize. I saw a lot of people walking on it that day. Uh going probably walking to Target or those stores across the street. And there is a bench. I think there's two benches on that park. Um, and what I noticed is,

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uh, I don't know if it's homeless population or people hanging out, but I was in just a tiny little one6th of that park, me and my partner, and I picked up maybe 80 liquor bottles in the matter of under an hour. Um, all the small ones.

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And so there's no trash can over there. And I remember a long time ago my neighbor campaigning the Metro bus stop to try to get trash cans along 11th because so much litter flies into the neighbors yards there. They said they can't do it because putting trash cans at every bus stop would require a load

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of like manh hours. But since we have people already mowing that grass, it means we already have public works staff in that park. My thought is maybe can we uh with the trash cans and maybe it's more than one and maybe someone needs to walk out or Rachel and I could take a look at where kind of the trash

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accumulated but a lot of this trash accumulated near where one of the benches was. So someone was probably just throwing it in. So my thought is if there's recycle recycling and trash there maybe it would help offset some of that. But we didn't even make a dent. Um there were two people that came out from

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the public. One of them said they found out through the church that's right behind the PCU pond. And I can't I think the other lady saw it in the flyer. >> I met her. I came over and >> Oh, you did >> to find Rachel and And I think you were Yeah. Yeah. >> Um >> Um >> but we I don't know. I ran out of trash

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bags actually. I think I filled seven or eight and then the other people had filled them and we were only I was only in 116th of the park. Like it was pretty bad. Um I mean but some it was ancient. That park's never been cleaned up. I found a credit card that looked like my mom's credit card from 1982, you know, before Visas and stuff were on them and

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it was just like a department store card or something never heard of. >> Um, so it's ancient part of the trash buildup. So Rachel and I were talking about next year maybe we should just focus the energy on that pond, >> bringing the businesses around it because it's I'm doubting those two

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people. We did as much as we could, but I think maybe next year we just if we do Silver Lake, then we focus the rest of the energy on PCU Pond and ask those businesses if they want to participate in like a cleanup day. Um, and then I unrelated to my specific parks had two questions follow up from

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the last meeting. >> Um, one was a question about um I haven't seen our budget given to us in a while so I'm not sure where we're at, but the 10-year mark for the contribution to Casey Lake building should be this year. And so just wanting to follow up with finance to see whether

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in 2027 that 100 grand LGA money we get the full 100 grand versus >> I'm sure I sent a followup to that. I'll have to look. Um but it is not this year. Um so I will resend that tomorrow. >> Oh to him. You might have sent it to me

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but I haven't seen my emails for a few months. I think I want to say I resent it as like a recap after the last meeting to everybody but that could I could just be >> thinking >> I wouldn't have seen it so you could be 100% right but that's why >> on for Casey Lake Park so it was in

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there from from last meeting so I talked to Dan the finance director he said the memorandum from 2016 showed that there were payment options discussed at length um but ultimately decided 65,000 would be paid from the go local government aid funding each year for 20 The payments

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expire in 2037. >> 20 years. Okay. >> Yes. >> We all remember that it's 10, but maybe that's just a Mandela effect thing. Okay. >> Thank you. And >> at next meeting, could we see a budget just like of what we have in our thing? Would be great.

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>> Thanks. What's up, >> Lloyd? >> Two things. Um those posts that designate where the preserve is are starting to lean and might need a

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little repair. >> The good thing is >> the brand new signs >> the no the uh posts that say nature preserve and it was the it was the bordering so people knew not to encroach into the park. They're like 4x4 post that say nature preserve on them.

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>> Okay. >> Yeah. That's the other signs are fine. The good thing is the demographics by in my area by Southwood have become a whole lot of kids and I see a lot of kids playing in Southwood and in that little open field

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uh along Park Park Road or not Park Parkway parkway drive. Yeah. So it it's encouraging. People are respecting keeping it clean. I walked a little bit through it. They're keeping it clean. The dogs seem to be uh uh staying on the leashes. So >> that's good.

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>> It's a long improvement from what it used to be. So thank you for all your all your help with that. >> Great. >> Good. >> So yeah, I was at the Mcnite Fields cleanup. Um that that went well. Couple people showed up. We probably got maybe

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one bag of trash between us. Um same feedback about the clampers. Those are really nice. Um yeah, high quality clampers. um park feedback. Um silver is still running into those burrs. I'm not sure, you know, what we

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can do, you know, about that. >> Sure. >> Um >> I'll follow up again, too. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Otherwise, um I stopped out at North Woods or Northwood honestly for the first time and I just I love that space. It's really awesome and it was nice to see, you know, the plans for for

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that park. So, um otherwise that's all I have for now. Awesome. Thank you. All right. Anyone have any last words before we adjourn? >> I will say as a reminder, our next meeting is scheduled for Casey Lake Park. >> 6 o' 6:30.

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>> 6:30 >> like our normal time. Yes. Yeah. >> Yep. I >> used to do it a half an hour early. Okay. >> Yes. So, we'll do 6:30 and I will of course send a reminder too and we'll publicize that as well. So, just wanted to catch up.

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Okay. Any other last words? >> No. All good. Okay. Um I have to make or uh we need a motion. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. >> Any discussion? All those in favor?

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>> I. >> All those opposed. Okay. Meeting adjourned. I'll get it sometime maybe.