is hereby called to order. This meeting is called in conformance with the Open Public Meetings Act with adequate notice provided as follows. Notice sent to the Bronson County Times and Times of Trenton on March 5th, 2026. Notice filed with the township clerks of Chesterfield, Mansfield, North Hover,
and Springfield Townships on March 5th, 2026. Notice published on the Northern Burlington County Regional School website legal notices page on March 5th, 2026. We'll now conduct a roll call. Mr. Figs
>> present. >> Mr. Armamente >> present. >> Mrs. Applicate >> present. >> Mrs. Bond >> present. >> Mr. Bucks >> present. >> Mr. Narwood >> here. >> Mrs. Janice >> here. >> Mr. Zimmer >> here. >> Mr. Zuzio >> present. >> Master Sergeant Moreski
>> present. >> We will now conduct a pledge of allegiance followed by a moment of silence. Has any board of education member received schoolboard related emails and correspondences that have not yet been shared with the superintendent?
All right. Um, we will now prepare to proceed to the notes of the visitors on comments for agenda items only. Um, I do want to let all the visitors know that there is a public comment uh period following the actual presentation um where you'll be able to come up to
the mic and ask questions about the presentation um after you hear it gone through in detail. Um we I would still give everyone who signed up the opportunity to speak, but I did want to let you know that there will be another there will be a comment period immediately following uh the the budget
presentation. Uh Dr. Zuckermanman has a few things he'd also like to to note and share before we get to the comments. >> Thank you so much, Mr. Figs. Um, at tonight's meeting, we will be discussing the proposed budget for the 202627 school year. Over the past week, there
have been rumors that tonight's meeting is an emergency meeting and that the district will be proposing cuts to the middle school and freshman sports. Neither of these rumors are true. In the future, um, I recommend that people contact my office. any board member can
recommend that people contact my office and I am more than happy to speak to anybody about any questions they have. I feel that that's much more productive rather than just going to social media and and just stating for the world just on their thoughts. We've been discussing the need for a
special meeting for the past 6 to8 weeks and this is a result of the governor's adjusted timeline uh to her proposed budget address and the release of the state aid numbers. The budget that you're going to hear about this evening um does have cuts to our budget. As you
will hear in a few minutes, we have over $3 million increase to what we have had in previous years. In order to be fiscally responsible, we are recommending over a $1.7 million decrease in the in the district's budget. We have tried we have tried very
hard to make the budget reductions and to make sure that they do not directly impact students and programs. This budget is also recommending an increase to our tax revenue more than a traditional 2%. I don't want to spoil Miss uh Williams um entire budget
presentation. So, I'm going to refrain from going into further detail at this time and I will allow her to share that during her budget presentation. >> All right. So, at this time, I will uh call up visitors who have signed in. If anyone hasn't had the chance to sign in for the public comment on agenda items, please
feel free to do so now. All right. Thank you, Mr. Lee. Uh, ladies and gentlemen, this meeting will now be open to public comment referencing agenda items only. Please note that the board is here to listen. The public comment period is not designed to be a discussion.
Accordingly, please do not expect the board to have respond to respond to your concerns and questions this evening. We take your concerns and questions very seriously and want to have sufficient time to allow our administration to process and research issues if need be. We will however respond to your
questions and concerns at a future meeting or have the proper staff member get back to you at the appropriate time. Also, please note that if your questions or comments pertain to litigation, students, personnel, or negotiations, we would ask that you see the superintendent after the meeting since
we do not discuss these items in public. Please keep in mind that the public comment session is an opportunity for you to share your opinions and remarks with the board and it is not a question and answer session. We also recognize that our community may be polarized on some issues. We want our schoolboard
meeting to serve as an example to our students that each member of the board and community can deal with controversial issues in a civil manner and demonstrate mutual respect for everyone's views. In that spirit, we ask that all speakers please address their comments to the board directly rather
than the audience. And all speakers and members of the public show respect for others views and maintain civility during the meeting. Please state your name, municipality of residence, and group affiliation if applicable. Comments will be limited to three minutes per person and the total comment
period to 30 minutes. Only those who have signed up on the public comment signin sheets will be allowed to speak. These individual time limits will be enforced so that as many members of the public who wish to speak may be allowed to do so. I uh apologize if I say last name wrong.
Uh Jessica Soden, you're okay. All right. And then uh Barbara Bob. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. All right. And then with that, uh we will move on to the uh proposed budget
presentation. Mrs. Williams, if you will. all these things at one time. >> Good evening everyone. Sorry. while we getting that worked out. So, tonight is the 2627
tentative budget presentation. As doc Dr. Zuckermanman said, as we're getting the slides caught up, as Dr. Zuckermanman said, we have some budget goals and our goals were to maintain existing programs um as much as we could.
You can go to the next slide. Um in developing the budget, we evaluate all programs for efficiency. We in are attempting to invest in programs that address student improvement. Um develop a fiscally responsible budget that prepares for the future. Provide
professional development that fosters staff and student achievement. Maintain facilities through pre preventative maintenance. Maintain healthy reserves for emergencies. And increase revenue through facility usage, sponsorships, and grants. This slide details our student
enrollment for the past six years. And you can see we've had a steady decline in student enrollment across the region. We're losing about 30 students a year. This um slide documents the enrollment trends by district. I mean I should say
municipality. I'll correct that. So Chesterfield is remaining steady, Springfield, Mansfield, and North Hover. What are our budget challenges? So, like every district in New Jersey, we're experiencing budget challenges. Um, especially the increase in health
benefits. Our increase to health benefits alone is about $1.6 million. Um, special education costs are always soaring. So, when we have kids in special education programs outside of the district, those tuition costs go up and needs arise for each student. um
inflationary costs just like your budgets at home, fuel, gas that we put in the buses, utilities, technology, general supplies, everything is rising. And as those costs rise, our revenues do not rise at that same rate. Um we have year-to-year uncertainty surrounding
state aid. So, you know, two weeks ago, we received our state aid and that is the first time that we knew any idea of what we were going to get or not. So, it's very hard to plan for the future. Um around that we have a tax limit tax levy limit of 2%. So our tax levy for
Northern Burlington the 2% is $468,000 and just our healthcare going up $1.6 million creates a deficit automatically. Um we receive federal impact aid for the students that we reserve from base and that aid is forward is not forward
funding. So we have to advocate for that funding every year. And in addition um 25% reduction in federal grants. The state has instructed us to expect a decrease in those grants and so we had to we had to budget 25% than we usually receive for title one IDA and any
federal grants that we receive. This is our state aid comparison from year to year. So you can see we received an increase in every category except for impact aid. We received federal impact aid and then we also received state impact aid. And here we received a
decrease in state impact aid which um a total decrease in state aid of $188,000. This slide is our adequate adequacy budget. This demonstrates um the state does a calculation on what it takes to have an adequate budget for each
district. And what this slide demonstrates is that the state believes that our um budget is 4.9 below adequacy. So the state calculates what they feel our fair share of taxes are and they believe that our fair share of taxes is $28 million, but our tax levy
is actually $23 million. So that provides like a $4.9 million gap. So this is justformational. This is part of the budget calculation and it drives the equalization aid which is the first category on this slide.
So how are we balancing the budget? We have another slide that has numbers on it but this is just some additional um wording. So we're utilize we're asking to utilize a healthcare adjustment and bank cap. We're looking at insurance surpluses through our general general
liability um insurance. Um we're increasing the amount of federal impact aid that we actually budget. So again, federal impact aid is something we have to ask for every year. So we typically don't build our budget around it, but this year we're budgeting a little bit
more for it to be to um close the gap. We removed unfulfilled positions and benefits that are in the budget. So those positions weren't already filled, so we're going to just not fill them. We reduce positions through retirement. We're reducing the use of some permanent subs. And then we're identifying areas
in the budget to reduce professional services, supplies, technology, and add a district tuition placeholders. So, closing the gap on the lefth hand side in the chart, you can see that these were our proposed budget changes. So, after everyone gave us their um
budget request and we calculated what we were going to expect to spend on health benefits, on utilities, the budget was increasing about $3 million. So, we're closing that gap by um the revenue column in the middle. So, what we're requesting is that we use our 2%
tax levy. We're also asking that the taxpayers contribute $686,000 in bank cap and healthcare adjustment, increasing our impact aid budget, and then you see we're we have some decreases. So, we're decreasing state we received a decrease in state aid, a
decrease in miscellaneous revenues, like we received less money in esex for the solar panels that we have because we've had them for 15 years. We have some out of district tuition that comes to us. So, that's slightly dis um decreasing decreasing fund balance that a little bit. And then our semi-revenue is
increasing and that is a special ed program. Um it's covering the last chart but um that says 7 uh 1.7 million at the bottom. And how we're closing the gap, the difference between the three million
and the 1.3 million is $1.7 million. And so we're closing that gap through staffing and benefits. Again, not fulfilling some positions that were in the budget and not replacing some teachers who are retiring. Um added district placement. So we usually anticipate having some additional
placements students move into the district and so we're going to take those out of the budget. We usually have some placeholders insurance surplus in our general liability insurance substitute costs professional services we're not going to have any construction projects so we don't anticipate having
to use an architect or an engineer. Um utilities I'm reducing the budget a little bit there. Fuel we have shared service programs um with uh the local municipalities. So I'm hoping that we can save some money in fuel with the revenue that we received through our
shared services. Um reduction in supplies and technology and from what was requested and then CST services so child study services hoping again that we have some breakage in some of the services that we offer through some of the students and those fluctuate again
based on student needs who moves in the district moves out of the district. I mentioned that we were requesting um to use $686,000 in bank capped in healthcare adjustments. So this is the bank cap calculation through from the bud um
created in the budget software. So the funding formula allows that if your health care rises above a certain percentage, it does a calculation and it gives you an adjustment and you're allowed to take that adjustment on top of your 2% if the board approves without
having to um go out to vote. So each year we um get a healthc care adjustment. This year our healthcare adjustment is $397,682. In the past, we haven't used those healthcare adjustments. So, that money gets banked. It go kind of goes down to the bottom and we can reach back and use
that if we need to. It expires in three years. So, the proposed budget includes $686,000, the $397,000 generated this year, and some additional money that was um banked from prior years totaling $686,000.
Should the board decide not to use the $686,000, we will have to make some additional cuts. Um the staffing, we would have to make additional cuts in staffing. We would consider looking at the transportation 530 runs. Um some
co-curricular stipens, safety and security measures, um the treasurer that we use in the district, excuse me, and going back to the departments and asking them to cut an additional $75,000 from supplies. And that's how we would make up that gap of $686,000
if the board does not approve the use of bank cap. >> So, Miss Williams, can I jump in here for a quick second? So, during the when we met with the finance committee um last week, uh it was talked about with the finance committee if is there another way like could we make
additional cuts to be able to to be able to offset that instead of going to the healthcare adjustment or bank cap which is where we put this chart in there. Um, it is a little vague, but please understand that some of these it's an isolated position. So, we don't want to
have a proposal out there and have somebody think that they're going to lose their job. So, then that's why we are purposely being vague. We do have very much details to all of these, but then we want to just share with the with the board what potentially that would be. Some of these would have impact on
students and programs. And I I I know we made that statement originally that we're trying to do everything we can to prevent from directly impacting students and programs. Some of these adjustments would some of these reductions would have some impact on students and andor
programs. >> A question. >> When does the 680 when does the 686,000 expire? You said it was or the bank cap. >> Yeah. When does it >> um so if I go back we have 187,923
that we earned in 2425. So that'll expire in three years. So each year we earn it, it's three years out. >> We have to use before we utilize bank, we have to utilize the healthcare waiver because that's currently available by the state.
>> So you have to use the current year healthcare waiver and then you can go into your bank cap bucket. Is there any portion of the bank cap that's going to expire this year? >> Nothing's expiring this year. A million dollars expired last year. >> Okay. >> And uh excuse me. If we were to use any
bank cap, we would use it from three years ago, we wouldn't use anything that we've earned this year. >> So we would because you have to use the um adjustment that you're given this year. So the $397,000 healthcare adjustment is generated this year based on our increases. So you have
to use that first and then the software allows you to go back and take the previous years. >> So it would be the 387 that we earned this year. Yes. Plus 200 and change to make up to 600. >> Correct. This slide just details our budget
summary on the sources of revenue and the percentage that they allocate make up in um the budget. same. This is just the expenditures categorized and the um expendit the percentages of the budget. So you can see that salary and benefits are the
majority of our budget. So when we're talking about making large cuts, we all are usually talking about cutting people and not things because our instructional budget for supplies is usually very minimal. And here's the tax impact comparison. So
in the regional school district, the first block shows if we did no changes to the tax levy. If we didn't take the 2% and we maintain our current tax levy, the effect for each town Chesterfield's taxes would go down 7407 for the average
assessed house. Mansfield would increase $79, North Hanover $164 decrease, and Springfield would decrease $123. The middle block shows what happens with a 2% tax levy and the effect on the taxes for each town.
And then that last block is if we take the 2% and the additional $686,000, what the effect is on the taxes. And that block is blocked. >> I was just going to ask you to read that in because that that's covering it. All right,
>> Mr. Lee, is there me to move that corner book or hide it? >> I think there you go. You >> got it. Okay, so Chesterfield's taxes under this last scenario, which is the recommendation, is that Chesterfield would increase $102, Mansfield would
increase $198, Northander would decrease $66, and Springfield's taxes would decrease $13. >> Is that per month or per year? >> Per year? Per year. Thank you. for the average assessed home. Now I can't advance the slides. Sorry.
>> You have to click back into the presentation. >> Yeah. >> And to be clear, we're not even considering not taking the 2%. >> That is the plan is to minimally take the 2%. We have always taken the 2%. Yes.
>> So tax impact at a glance. So this is just st restating it on what it looks like for this year. Again, assuming that the $686,000 would be used in tax levy. You can see the increases the same from the other side. Chesterfield an increase of 102,
Mansfield 198, North Hover decreasing 6641, and Springfield 1303. And here is a 5-year tax comparison. So you can see the fluctuations for each township from year to year when the taxes are the tax um levy is always
going up 2% and you can see the fluctuations from town to town by year. And this is tax levy aortionment. So we're a regional school district and this is really what drives the share of the tax the tax levy throughout the townships. So our regional equalized
values are divided by the total equalized values and that's where the share the proportional share of the tax levy how it's divided amongst the townships. So you can see um the prior year what the regional equaliz equalized values were what the current years are
and how those percentages have shifted. Mansfield's equalized values have increased significantly and so the percentage share of the tax levy is also increasing and that's why there's an increase in that tax levy and a decrease in some of the others.
>> Yes. >> Like I asked a lot of questions around this being a representative of Mansfield and you did a great job of explaining the reasons why because I'm like well we didn't add more people we're actually bringing in less students so what's driving the increase? Do you mind just sharing what your uh rationale behind
that was? >> Of course. So the state equalizes the value. So every town um values their home a little differently. Every town is different places in their assessment. So what the state does is equalizes the value. The state um brings all the
houses in the different towns up to market value so that we're comparing apples to apples amongst each town. So what drives those valuations are the property values, the total market values, and then also ratables, businesses. So the one thing that
changed in Mansfield are the addition of new warehouses. So those properties were formerly farmland. They're now they have property on it. So that that property is now valued differently. They were mostly done through pilot programs. So the district doesn't receive the tax
revenue. The payments that they're receiving from those programs, but it does give you the value of those properties are now taken into account in that valuation. And so it's going to increase the values of that town. >> So I interpreted that we built the warehouses, they don't pay the taxes.
And when you run into a situation like this where they're now valued higher, me as a resident, I pay the difference. >> Your valuation will go up. So your share is changing amongst the region. >> Y >> and >> but I wanted I I think it's important
that we all understand the impact of those decisions made in our own community and then what it has down the road. It's a big kick the can type of approach. >> I do want to say like I am not you know on the municipal side so there were pilot programs and I don't know what
that revenue was used for but it does have an effect on the value. >> Most of us don't know what it was used for. Jamie, I have a quick question because when we talked about the pilot programs and Frank, maybe this is something we take to the township. You you mentioned that in other districts or you've heard elsewhere that these pilot
programs there have been instances where while the school didn't get the tax levy, they were able to go to the township and say, "This is what's happening in in the district. We're underfunded. Is there potential for you for for us to get some of that money to sellers?"
>> So districts are just slightly different. districts are talking about going to townships that have instituted pilot programs and saying, "Hey, you should be sharing that revenue with us." >> So, that's and I think that's something the township needs to take to the township committee. Like, we can't do it
here on the board, right? Like that's a township municipality. >> Yeah. It's a conversation they're having having across the state because pilot programs are very popular all across the state. So, it's a conversation they're starting to have with school districts across the state, with municipalities, >> and and those pilot program agreements
were made probably before a lot of us were in the district, right? That those are years old. >> I I'm not sure about the timeline early 2000 time frame. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I I just think it's important that we we as a board understand this so
that should anybody from our constituents ask questions, we can adequately answer that >> here so that people all know and >> it's important to um know that these valuations fluctuate from year to year amongst the town. So if a town you know
if Springfields decide to have a assessment and a re-evaluation that's going to affect it. So at and that's why the state tries to equalize the values to bring them up to market value so that we are comparing apples to apples. So these do fluctuate and that's why in
that slide before where I showed that you know even if we didn't raise the taxes there's still going to be fluctuation on who's paying their portion based on the valuations of the property. >> And Mr. Bucks, I know you want to say the only one thing that I want to that I I want to say is that none of no board
member should feel that you need to answer these questions. Please refer them to myself. Please refer them to to Miss Williams. We are more than happy to speak to anybody who has questions to be able to help them uh allow them to understand this. >> I was just say to Miss Williams point,
the um Springfield is on the board for a uh a reval. So that'll be coming over the next next two years. Um but to the Mansfield case I I think probably because we have a region right normally I don't think most municipalities and
this is my opinion that most municipalities aren't as impacted right because the pilot is there stays there because there's a region and a regional formula that kind of drives a little different cost structure to what you guys are seeing from from perspective >> we're going up either way right
Mansfield it looks like >> yeah and then the only other thing to add here is that there's also there's a county equalization that happens and then after that county equalization happens that goes up to the state and the state equalizes each town across towns across the entirety of the state.
So ultimately, you know, I think the I'll say the warehouses don't just get get compared to warehouses in Burlington County, they get compared to warehouses statewide, right? So that's probably why this, you know, this significant increase is actually showing up for you
guys. >> Any additional questions? >> So, I'm just going to throw this out and it might even be uh shooting yourself in the foot, but is there No, no, no, no. >> But is there any precedent of school boards going back and suing those municipalities to get some pilot money?
I don't know that they're suing but I again there is conversation to look at that and kind of saying hey we should have our share of that money. So right now it's pilot payment in lie of taxes and so the township could then use that money to fund things in the township that maybe they didn't have the money
from before. So I know that there's just talk of districts kind of reaching out and saying what does this look like? How can this be shared differently? >> But I don't know if there's I don't know if there's legislation or suing about that. I'd rather not go the sewing route. I mean,
>> yeah. And like I say, that might, you know, have a negative impact on us in general. >> We have we have very good relationships. Um when Miss Williams started, we invited all of the township managers to to the district to show them around.
Unfortunately, we didn't um we have not met with the North Hover representative. However, we met with all all the other three regions um and again have very very good dialogue. So, I mean, we can certainly go that avenue as well and just start a conversation. >> Yes. >> But North Hanover doesn't have any
warehouses. >> So, >> who who would start that conversation with Township? Is it something we would do as Mansfield refs? Would you >> I would >> because I'm happy to take that conver like if that's something that that's appropriate for us to do, I'm happy to
have that conversation. I would say let me start let me do some more um digging and seeing what the other districts are doing and find out more about the program and what that looks like, what a cost sharing looks like and then I can share that out with you guys and then we could talk about it from there on who makes the first contact. I think we just
need to collect some more information. >> It's not it's not that you're I don't put any blame. It's just that we have to think about the longer term ramifications when we make decisions like that that yet it it's really good short term but then long term you're
just paying back what you gained in the short term and that's where we as community members have to be thinking about how do we influence that to your point so that we can make good smart decisions not to put pass any judgment on what Mansfield has done because I I
don't disagree but we have to think more about it. >> Yeah. No, I I agree. And I don't know that anybody >> can show up, right? >> And this is the first time we're seeing increase related to that. So, I don't know that anybody's started that conversation. >> No. >> And I don't know what the reserves look like in the township. Like there could be >> Mhm. And
>> we just we need to have the start the conversation. >> After Miss Williams does her research, we'll certainly bring this I think we have a finance committee meeting in um April. We can certainly bring it to to the finance committee. And at the same time, should it be the desire of the board, maybe it's from the committee
with that direction, we can always reach out and have that initial conversation. >> Absolutely. >> And kind of set it up that way. >> So again, just to clarify for me, this is a proposed budget that we're doing now. It's not finalized. >> This is a tentative budget um
presentation for you guys to vote on the direction that we take. Correct. >> Right. More information is going to come in yet. Well, we have to submit this to the state by the 27th. >> We have to submit it by to the county by 27 approved by form of the budget tonight to go to the state. We do the
final budget in May. >> We do the final budget in May with the public budget hearing. Correct. >> Yes. With another public hearing then. So, yes, there this is not the final, but this is what's required to be submitted to the state by the 27th, which is the purpose for the meeting tonight is that we had to fulfill that 27th deadline. We wouldn't be able to
wait till the April of our proposal. But I guess what I'm trying to clarify is our work isn't done just by if by voting on this now and let's just say we approve it with, you know, going with the bank cap and taking, you know, the whole 600 and whatnot. Doesn't mean our
work's done. It means that we still need to look at additional numbers and solidify it. >> Yeah. I mean, I'm >> I I know for one example, I know we're still waiting on prescriptions, right? That didn't come out. We're still waiting on >> the numbers could be worse.
>> Well, right. We could add or we could subtract. Right. >> Right. >> So, typically when you submit the budget to the county that typically, you know, there's always different circumstances, but typically the budget that we submit to the county is the budget barring any unusual circumstances. We usually move
forward with that budget for our May public budget hearing and final approval. This is what will be advertised to the public. Um because of the change in the law that we kind of talked about last month, we don't have to advertise in the newspaper, but the advertised budget will go on the website
for everyone to view it. And that's typically how we use it. And then we have the public budget hearing in May. >> Yes. But for example, the prescriptions would be one. Prescriptions may come down by some miracle or they may be higher. But like we're using an assumed number. That would be a fluctuating
point from here to the final. >> Um yes. I mean other than I think at this point most of the numbers are pretty established between the federal and the state and all that but um the other thing I would follow up with Mansfield is I mean and this at this time it's good news because they put that data center on hold but that would
follow and the same suit is to keep a very close eye on that as township uh constituents on that data center that's going to do the same thing that the warehouses potentially do. I said, I know the letter was published that it's on uh in indefinite indefinitely tabled, but it's something that we're keeping an
eye on on the Mansfield side, >> but there is another suit to build a uh warehouse on 206. So, >> yeah, I saw that. >> Is it is it through a pilot program? >> Oh, of course it will be. >> And I'm not saying that pilot programs
are bad. I'm just saying that there are other effects that it has. And it does in this case, you know, increase your equalized value. >> So I have two follow-up questions. If we go back to the bank cap slide. >> Yep. >> Oh, sorry.
>> Trying to see the numbers. So it looks like so we would use the 397682. Correct. >> Correct. And then because that is the current year healthcare cost. >> Okay. Then >> adjustment. >> All right. And then what about B187923?
So, would we exhaust all of our bank cap? >> Correct. No, we would not exhaust all of our bank cap. So, using the $686,000, we would have $734,594 left in bank cap. So, we'd use the 397682, the 187,923, and then we'd use a portion
of the 834. So, the bank cap we would be using is 288 318. Okay. So, we would have bank cap for next year if needed. If needed. Okay. And that figure is the what? >> 734
59 >> 734 and 594. >> Okay, good. And then um a question about the um >> additional cuts required that those were recommendations that came out of the um
the finance committee. Correct. That was just those were all discussed within the finance committee. Correct. The finance committee asked us if we were not going to use the $686,000 what additional cuts we would make. And so when we knew we were already trying to fill that gap, we had a list of cuts
that we kind of tried to prioritize. And these were the cuts more at the bottom of the list. Again, knowing that there could be some impact to student programs and students, >> right? So they would just eliminate the 530 bus. The there's another bus, right? A 3:30. >> There's a 330.
>> Okay. And do those run every single day of the school year or do there are there days that those do not run because of like inner sports? >> I'm sure there's days that 530s don't run but pretty much consistently. Yes. >> Okay. >> When we talk about um potential to
impact students or programs should, and again this is not currently in our proposed budget. This is like should the decision be to not use as much bank cap. This is one of the things that we talked about. Um, this is one decision that could impact students or programs. There
may be some students who rely on that that 5:30 bus to be able to get home if they're participating in an afterchool sport. Um, and I don't some students I I'm not saying there's a lot. I don't want to quantify a number that they may um not be able to participate because
they may not be able to have a ride home. >> Yeah. And I think that something that we should if it came down to having to make cuts like that because my personal thing would be I would think we would get rid of the 3:30 bus. You know, if you're going to stay after for a club, stay
till 5:30 and take the 5:30 bus home with everybody else. Go to the library when you're done your club. But that's just my opinion and you know, but I I I think they should all be discussed at detail because I know Christa doesn't feel that way. >> I I don't agree with either the bus cutting. Definitely not 3:30. I just
actually just to follow up on that question. What activities end at 3:30? Is it clubs? >> There are I'm not going to pretend to be able to list every single club at 3:30. >> I guess maybe I should. >> It could be it could be sometimes um
some teachers do some after school help that they may be able to run for an hour. There may be some some clubs maybe DECA may only meet for an hour after school instead of the two hours. Traditionally, the 5:30s are for for the sports programs because they finished practice at 5:30 by the time they get cleaned up and then then they're there
for that time >> and the theater program. >> Do we know which bus is more utilized or >> we do? >> We can get to that has data for all of that. Again, I I don't necessarily think this is the forum to be able to bring up all of that data, but she has all the
data um from from Miss Lynch, who's our director of transportation, and she has that available. Yeah, my perspective would be not to cut either of them, but I don't think we're there yet. So, >> all right. So, at this time, I'll uh open it for public comment. Um I'm go
Oh, >> just a a quick one for Jamie. Jamie, I just want to make sure that we're all the entire board and the public's clear. When we talk about bank cap, bank cap is in fact, it's not a savings account, right? It's our ability to raise taxes
beyond the normal 2% cap. >> That is correct. >> Okay. >> And the healthcare waiver is the same thing, >> right? >> Yep. >> Just thank Yep. That's good addition. >> Yes. >> So, um I'm going to put a sign-in sheet at the corner table up here. If you do come up come up to speak, if you could
please write your name and address so we can make sure that you're included in the meeting minutes properly. Um it'll be on the corner next to Mrs. Hodgeges on the table there. And I I can just there is a bill pending right now by Senator Singleton put it
forward in February regarding pilot programs and school districts being able to share in the funds. It just was proposed though. >> Thank you, Susan. >> Right. At this Oh, there is one for the public. Uh
okay. I know we had the end public comment also. So, um All right. At this time, if anyone of the public would like to come up and speak, uh, please feel free. As I mentioned before, um, try to keep your time to around 3 minutes, so as many people can speak as as may wish.
>> Hi, my name is Lisa Ger. I'm from Springfield. Um, well, first I want to apologize to the board that I never been here. Um, my kids, my last one, graduated in 2020
and um, it's very sad that there's so few parents here. Um, I'm definitely worried about how high our taxes are going to be and I feel like the state formula is not really fair to some of
the towns. And I was hoping we could get some kind of representation to hit Trenton and see what what exactly the formula was and how some towns are higher, some towns are lower. Like where
where's that money going? What's the oversight? Because I know like New York gets 1.9 billion. Their revenue is like 99 million. So, like where is all that being spent? I've
seen articles that they have uh balloon expenditures, trips, and I know they have to pay some back. So, we're looking at a big deficit and it's going to hurt our kids and I don't even
have a kid in the school anymore. Like, you're going to take a bus away, you're going to take teachers away, substitutes. it it's a it's a big shortfall and um like I I don't like I don't see
any line items from how they how they do the budget like how they fund everybody. So I mean could people like get together and form a committee to go to Trenton and say hey
how how do you randomly decide like I don't know what the budget is like the formula they don't put it anywhere so thank you and thanks for your hard work and coming out because I no one's here
thank you >> this is actually a big crowd so >> you should see it on a normal meeting >> yes um if you would like to sign in and leave some contact information we can try to f Did you um I didn't put a I didn't write contact at topic Do you want to leave an email or a phone number
for Mr. Williams or Dr. Z potentially get back to you? Yes. >> Yeah. No, I um at this time would anyone else uh care to speak? All right, I will uh close public comment at this time. Um
so on non-consentage item non-consent agenda item 3.01, um I will call for a motion. >> Make a motion. >> Uh and a second. Uh I will now open the floor for discussion.
Yes. Any I was going to wait to see if any else wanted to speak first. >> Go for it, Joe. >> All right. Um I want to thank the staff, right? You guys did a great job of of
putting this together. Um Jamie, I certainly appreciate your approach this year. it was um say balanced and and pretty fair in your approach, right? You you gave options to the committee and to the board as a whole and I appreciate that. I don't know that we've seen that
previously. Um as the perennial voice of dissent on this board, um I'm going to continue to to uh to fulfill that role. Um, there have been very few budgets I've ever come across in any of my elected
years that I've actually been a fan of. Um, there have been two. One was a zero and ones where we actually gave money back. So, I'll always push whatever board I'm on, right, to to strive towards that. I understand the situation that we're in. I certainly understand
the the desire to use bank cap um in that it essentially will increase our baseline for the next budget cycle which then potentially helps us to get out of the hole. I guess the challenge I have with that
is that we are still going back to the taxpayer and we're still asking them for more than 2% right and that was the intent of the cap. The intent of the cap was to to keep a limit on what we would go to the taxpayer with. Um
to me, you know, and and again, we saw an option tonight for additional cuts. I would still like to see us and see us as a complete board kind of deliberate about what else we might do here. Um, I don't know if we can do that public because I know there's some staffing
concerns around that, but I think that's something that we need to explore, need to explore over the next, you know, I guess at least the next meeting to see if the rest of the board is is of that same opinion. I may still be the lone voice of disscent here. Um, but at the
end of this, right, I think we really have what's boils down to a an expenditure problem, right? And and that's not anyone particular not one single thing. It's a combination of items, right? We talked about salaries. We've talked about benefits, right?
Being the largest portions of those bud of the budget and fixing this sort of a deficit is not a one year or two-year fix, right? It requires us as a board to negotiate very hard, right? Like it's
like it's our own own personal budgets. And and that's what I'd like to see us do, right? I'd like to see us push harder to try to pull that in. And it's going to require, don't get me wrong, I understand it's going to require sacrifices, right? It may require that we we take a bus run. It may require
that that staff lose jobs, but we also have impact on our residents as well, right? And there are, you know, again, as as the the perennial voice of dcent, I'm here I didn't come here to raise
taxes on my residents. I came here because they said, Joe, you have a history of being that guy that binds the cuts. I'm going to continue to push that. And I know that's not necessarily, you know, we don't have agreement on that, but that's going to be what I'm
going to continue to do. And I'd like to see the the rest of the board at least come along for a discussion around that. Um because we all know it's not getting any easier to to afford New Jersey. And I'm really concerned that my children aren't going to be able to stay here,
right? I got one that's graduating college and I got one that's getting ready to go to college. They've already talked about that they're going to leave because you just you can't afford to stay. And a large portion of that is what we're talking about in this room right now. So that's the only I guess
the only plea I can make is that we continue this discussion, continue to look at what our other options are and try to figure out what we can ultimately do for for all of our residents. So thanks for the time. >> Yeah, I mean Joe, I tend to agree with
you. I think we should challenge the budget a bit. I'm not I'm not a fan of cutting student programs to do that. I would say I did ask and I and I also would like to thank Jamie. I called her Friday night when the budget presentation came out with a 100
questions because I'm new to the board. Um so thank you very much Jamie. It was very helpful. The one thing that I was trying to understand is is there additional places that we can cut that wouldn't be as painful as a bus
run or a student program? Like are there things that may be a little less risky that we haven't spent fully in the past um to get to where we need to be? Because I don't want to increase taxes either. And I think most of the taxes are impacting Mansfield and I don't
think Mansfield residents would want that. But I also don't think given some of the conversations that Dr. Zuckermanman mentioned earlier, I don't think they want to cut programs either. So where's the balance in between not impacting student programs but also being fiscally responsible because
you're right, costs are continuing to go up, healthcare benefits are continuing to go up and and they're essentially fixed costs, right? You can't you can't really change them. Um, right. So so what we have is variable is very limited. So it makes it more painful to make the cuts, but I would love to see a
little bit more on how we've spent money and is there other places. I don't know if you guys have seen that in the past. I'm new to the board, so this is my first year doing the finance conversation. So um it it would be good to understand like where else could we
go besides these this this list, right? Like um >> and I know we can't talk staffing, but I would like to understand what what are we cutting there? >> Yeah. So I know uh one important thing to mention that the buildings grounds finance we have met with the insurance broker and we are working to improve the
insurance program to hopefully rein in the cost a little. Um there's been a such a surge in the um what do they call the G GLP1s that's the driver. So we're working with our insurance broker to do our best to try to rein in the exploding
uh health care costs. So, you know, that that's a small facet in it and you know, you do as much as you can. But, you know, I think that's like the impossible hill, but we're even trying to to stop that one from growing as we can. Um, one of my comments on the use of the healthcare waiver in the bank cap is
that as the adequacy showed, we are about $5 million under what the the state expected taxing is, which is uh about 12 12% um of of of tax raises. So, this 686,000 amounts to about 3%. Um,
which still would leave us significantly under what the state expects us to be taxing at. Um, not that anyone likes to see their taxes raised, but I I agree that the this the education of the students and the programs offered are critical. It's critical to the future of
for all of us, right? Um, them uh obtaining a proper and thorough and and well-developed education is really the the future for everyone. So, I think it's as important to keep those those programs and those those capacities as much as possible. You know, I appreciate
what Mrs. Williams and Dr. Zman did do to trim the budget without having to hit those programs. Um, you know, it's you got to look look in a lot of a lot of corners to find those places to make those cuts. So, >> the other piece of the bank cap that I
do want to make sure and and just because I'm new and probably not as familiar, I don't ever want to lose like the three-year expiration. So, if there's a portion that's going to expire in the next year or two, we should use that. I know we're forced to use the 387.
>> The 397 will go first and then it'll go back to the 187 that is the oldest. >> But when does that expire? Next year. uh after next year it would expire. One year we have a this year coming off as a zero dollar because we had the million dollars that just expired that we never
capped we never taxed on. >> Then we had the the zero >> year and then it was 186 the last year was $890 um because of the huge uh healthcare costs and then this year it's a 397. So yeah, 397, then it'll be the 186 from
two years ago, and then whatever little bit that's left will come off last year's. >> Yeah. I mean, like Joe, I I appreciate everything. I always appreciate everything you say because it is a good balancing. Um I went over these numbers a lot and administration did a nice job
of helping me to understand some of them. Um the biggest thing that the challenge that we're having that unfortunately in this room we can't control but there are ways to do it is we are not a for-profit organization. So we are
relying on what the state or what the governments are giving us to fund these. Yes, we make small amounts of revenues here and there but like nothing that's ever going to be able to cover any of the gaps that we have there. And so I think the the the thing that we we as
community members can do is we can speak up, right? Rising cost of health benefits. Sorry, you got to pay people's health benefits unless you don't want to have teachers who are going to go to other districts if you don't pay for them. So those are some of the things that we have to be aware that they are
costs that we can't contain although we can try to get do better negotiating and that's where I say well then the state needs to help us with that, right? teachers union needs to help us with that. They need to negotiate harder for what uh for what they're doing or the state, you know, they've got the plan that they have the way Jamie explained
it. Okay. Well, we need to negotiate better. Uh can't help you with the GLP1 costs, but I do I do know that there's been some changes. Um >> I thought maybe you could. >> I I I don't have that kind of leverage. I can speak to the people that do, but I think that that what I also see here is
that we've had some years where we've actually reduced taxes, right? If I'm looking specifically at Mansfield, we're still less money that we've charged over the last 5 years than we've actually increased. Um I I I feel for Chesterfield. I don't know how fix that,
but um I think I think we just have to realize that I I think I'm along the lines of where you're coming from is I don't want to cut things that are going to impact the kids. That's just not good policy or good approach to things. It's not going to help us. Um, so if there
are things that we can look at that make sense, okay, that's that's fine. But I think we're also just have to do the best that we can. And unfortunately, I think it's going to hit us as community members that we're going to have to fit some of this bill. And that's where we have to go back to our governments, both local and state, and talk to them and
say, "You need to do something about this." >> No. And listen, I appreciate that. And and I don't certainly cutting programs for kids is is not my the top of my list, but but I think the point in in all of this, at least from my perspective, is that the longer we go
without making difficult decisions, the more difficult those decisions get to be, right? So next year it gets to be a more difficult decision, right? We we dig ourselves deeper. So, you know, there's got to be a balance, right? I don't I
I am in favor of of balancing that, but it's got to be there's got to be a blend here. So, and again, like I said, Jamie and Jamie and staff did a great job of putting stuff together. It's but I think this is a board this is a whole board discussion.
>> Yeah. And I I just want to, you know, I echo a lot of the sentiment that has been expressed this evening. And I I think coming out of our community relations committee this evening, you know, looking at the NB 2030 strategic plan, there is going to be a fiscal goal. And I I had a whole conversation
with Jamie yesterday at 3:30. She walked me through all my questions as well. So, thank you for taking time out of your Sunday to do that. But I think that we really have to adopt an efficiency mindset, but also an innovation mindset. And I think that's come up in some of
our meetings is to create find creative ways. And I know Jamie has really done a nice job of coming up with creative ways to generate revenue uh with Dr. Zuckerman um to retain those opportunities for our students. But I I
do think that we have to have like th those long range fiscal plans to be efficient and innovative so we don't have to make those those tough decisions. Um and I have a question that's a nonsequator to what I just said. How many times have we gone to
bank cap historically here at Northern? Just curious. >> I don't think I've ever done that. I think that's >> we did once I think six, seven years ago, a little longer >> and it wasn't a lot but we did use it. >> Okay.
>> If I remember. >> Thank you. >> So I have a question. So this is the preliminary budget. If we find cuts between now and May, there's the possibility that that bank cap could be
reduced tax. I mean that that could all be reduced to the taxpayers and so when we come into May we can vote on a different budget, right? >> So we have some time >> for and one example and and again I'm not trying to get into the weeds. We
have proposed several options to our healthcare brokers as as Mr. Fig was saying one of them the GLP1s now does a direct purchase and then so then that could potentially reduce that cost. We we haven't gotten the results of that to say that if we did this, it's going to
lower it by X dollar. If it lowers it by $2, all right, it's not worth it. If it lowers it by $50,000, then maybe it is worth it. I mean, so and again, those are all hypothetical numbers. But then those are the things that we're we're really waiting on that that could impact that.
>> Is there another forum for community input or is this this is it tonight? Like May is the next but Nothing in between. >> No, >> May. And they could also come to the April meeting if they listen to this in between.
>> Yeah. Do we put a um >> Oh, and then they can also call them. Absolutely. >> Right. >> But I guess may Chris to your point though, maybe should we put an agenda item on for April? >> I would like to know what the community thinks of increasing taxes versus
cutting programs and kind of that balance. Um, they're here, but there's >> anybody from anybody from Mansfield want to >> Well, I would say yeah, specifically Mansfield >> or I mean I mean I think to Frank's point, the last couple years has been a
decrease for Mansfield. Net net, we're down. Um, it's not just man, it's not just Mansfield. I think everybody, you know, but yeah, it is this year is is Mansfield. So, if there if there's anybody that would like to speak up for Mansfield, I'd certainly be happy to hear it.
Hi, Jessica Soden from Mansfield. Um, definitely agree. Even if it's something that my kid isn't doing, I don't want to cut a program. I really hate that my taxes are getting raised, but I think it's more beneficial for the kids to be able to have something at school than me
and complain about $100 a year and my taxes going up. But like pie in the sky hopes I really would like the warehouses to contribute a little bit but not sure what we can do about that. I don't know what pilot programs are or
how long if that means that they have like a tax payment for a few amount of years and when that's going and if then they can start helping out with some of this but they got rid of my favorite house to build that warehouse on Dunville Road. So I'm really against
them. So just my two cents. Um just I'm sorry Stephanie Santoro um Chesterfield resident so not Mansfield but here's my question. Um you're saying you don't want to go in the weeds and then you were asked if public wants to make a comment but other than the buses what are the other programs that
potentially get cut. It sounded like it was pretty vague during this conversation. So I don't know how parents or any community members can make a comment when we that hasn't been clarified. >> I mean the primary one was staff members and um the the concern is the uh if you
make it too specific then the staff members that would potentially be on cuts would be aware of uh the potential to be cut. So you basically are are saying you're expendable to the district and they're going to leave the district anyway. But if they're employed
>> staff cuts in the buses, is that it >> in that particular section? >> So we pay approximately $130,000 for an SRO. Right now we have one in each building. We could reduce again. God forbid that that's ever needed. That's obviously
obviously the the concern. >> Okay. >> It's it's one of those expenditures that we hope that we never use it that but then it's in place for safety reasons. So again, that's >> so it's staff, SRO, and bus. essentially.
>> Can you bring that slide back up, Jamie? >> Because it's got a list there. >> Can you bring the presentation back up? >> Yeah. And like when I look at this >> Yeah. So, it's also, you know, um like we're just evaluating. Yep. I'm sorry. >> Oh, yeah. No, I have it. So, we'd also
look to evaluate co-curricular stipens. How many adviserss do we have for each club? How many class advisors do we have? So, all of those things. again always prioritizing the lease effect to students. Um we mentioned one of the things on the list was the treasurer. We
pay an independent treasurer to read our books um to review our books every our bank accounts or our our bank statements every month. So cutting something like that and then going back to look at the programs and saying you know can every program cut 10% from their instructional supplies? How can we reduce the
technology budget? But the techn technology director standing here so he's not liking that either. But, you know, all of those things. And I just like to say in this $1.7 million cuts that we're making, it's not that, oh, we just don't need that money. Those are areas that we've identified that we
could potentially have some breakage, right? So, like out of district placements is is a huge expenditure. So, maybe a student moves out of district and we can save some money, but what happens if two students move in? So, it's not that it's just extra money. It's just areas that we're going to try
and manage those costs the best we can so that we can take those cuts. Now, >> thank you. >> Um, as for the, uh, April regular boarding agenda, um, we could definitely, yeah, invite the public to any additional comments that anyone
who's listening and couldn't make it tonight in person, please feel free to attend, um, you know, during public comment on whether it's a any update Dr. Zuckermanman has if any of the healthcare or prescription talks to the budget is a line item that people can talk about. Uh it shouldn't be a
problem. That way we can get more feedback and more discussion and when May comes around it's not, you know, as last minute. So um as always we encourage the public to come. Um we don't ever have this many people in the room unless it's for student of the month club. So or student of the month uh highlights.
>> Mr. Bigs, will will the presentation be posted after this evening on the website? >> Yes. >> Yes. We we typically allow the presentations to be given so that they can be explained and things aren't misconstrued. Um and then we put them out to the public. Uh that way there's you know there's a lot of uh
vocalization that goes with the presentations. It's similar with most of the presentations throughout the year the SSDs any of the HIV stuff. Uh we like to let the faculty member speaking present it um with the actual explanations before posting it.
All right. Uh does anyone have any other uh comments, discussions uh on item 3.01? >> Uh Barbara Bob Mansfield resident. I just want to take thank every single person in this room because I know how much time and effort you guys put into
it with the fiscal committees and coming to the meetings with this voluntary your free time um job literally. Um, talking to the budget, um, I do want to talk about, uh, just stepping outside the box and not doing stuff just because
we did it years before or throughout the years. Um, uh, Dr. Zacherman was saying about SRO, getting rid of it, rid of them. Um, what we're doing in Mansville, we're actually going to the private company, which is going to save us more than half the cost of an SRO that is
Mansfield Township Police Officer. It will still be an arm guard, but it saves us half the price. So you don't have to cut services. You can just look outside the box with the treasurer. Maybe don't cut the person. Maybe do shared services throughout all the districts. We have four sunny districts that should not be five different people doing treasury
stuff. Could be maybe one that we can share the cost. Just instead of cutting programs and raising taxes, let's think outside the box and and doing that, right? I know everybody's talking about AI and I know everybody's like, "Oh, we don't want to do it or want to do it." There's so many efficiency that can be
done with AI that can save hours or people's um that uh can be potentially utilized and we have very very smart kids who can probably figure it out for us. So I'm just putting it out there starting I club and we'll have a half of the staff figure it out. Um yes that's all I want to say. Thank you.
>> Thank you if you wouldn't mind. All right. Um, are there any other uh board comments or questions regarding uh item 3.01? If not, I will ask Mrs. Williams to take a roll call vote. >> Excuse me. Mr. Figs.
>> Yay. >> Mr. Artee, >> yay. >> Mrs. Applicate. proposed budget >> to approve the proposed budget >> to approve the proposed budget to submit to the county. >> Correct. >> Correct. That's being proposed.
>> Yes. >> I'm sorry. That was Jay. Mrs. Bond. >> Yes. >> Mr. Bucks. >> No. Mrs. Janice, >> yay. >> Mr. Norwood, >> yes. >> Mr. Zimmer, >> yes. >> Mr. Zuzio,
>> yes. >> The motion passes. >> All right. Um, item 3.02 is non-consent agenda item for the approval of the travel maximum for 2627 school year. Uh, can I get a motion for item 3.02?
I'll make a motion for take 102. >> Second. I didn't hear Christ and Frank. You good? >> They tied. >> All right. Um, is there any uh comments or discussion for item 3.02? >> All right. Uh, if you could please do a
roll call vote. Mrs. Williams. Sorry. >> Mr. Figs. >> Yay. >> Mr. Armamente. >> Yay. >> Mrs. Applicate. >> Yay. Mrs. Bond, >> yes. >> Mr. Books, >> no. Uh, Mrs. Janice, Mr. Norwood, >> yes.
>> Mrs. Mr. Zimmer, >> yes. >> And Mr. Zuzio, >> yes. All >> right. Uh, item 3.03 is the approval of the public relations maximum for 2627. Can I get a motion for 3.03? >> Have a question. What What is this that
like what is this used for? If you could just explain that. These are required as to be approved as part of the budget as part of the administrative regulations. So it sets a maximum wing spend on travel and public relations expenses. So it's required as part of the budget.
>> Can you give me an example of that? >> Uh public relations hiring a firm for public relations. So it's required and it's things >> which we don't typically do >> which we don't do. Right. Is that built? Is the 35,000 built into
the budget? >> No, we do not budget for public relations. So, we have to set a maximum, but we do not hire public relations companies. >> The um my assistant Jen um who sends out a lot of communication to you. She part
of her role is to do a lot of our public relations and our communication. >> All right. Uh can I get a motion for 3.03? Motion >> second. >> All right, Mrs. Williams, you could do a roll call vote, please. >> Mr. Figs,
>> yay. >> Mr. Arante, >> yay. >> Mrs. Applicate, >> yay. >> Mrs. Bond, >> yes. >> Mr. Bucks, >> no. >> Mrs. Janice. >> Mr. Norwood? >> Yes. >> Mr. Zimmer? >> Yes. >> And Mr. Zuzio? >> Yes. >> Thank you.
>> All right. Uh at this time the board is going to go into an executive session. Um the board may or may not conduct take action after executive session uh depending upon the results. Um I thank you all for attending tonight. Please feel free to yes depart as as you would
like. Um have a good evening if you're not here when we return. Uh can I get a motion to go >> make a motion to go to an executive >> and a second? Second. >> All in favor? I. All oppose abstensions. Thank you.
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stop. Where everybody go? >> I told them. Okay. Make a motion come out of executive session. >> I second that motion. >> All in favor? I. All opposed. Extensions.
>> All right. Um, this time under section five, new business, um, I will make a motion. Uh, I'm allowed to state the name correct being in in the letter. >> I think
>> I'm allowed to say. Yep. All right. I'll make it a motion that Northern Burlington County Regional Board of Education hereby approves the resignation of James Dow applied technology teacher in the high school effective April 20th, 2026. >> Second.
>> All right. Uh, Mr. Lamus, you could please do a roll call vote. >> Was that Mike because you read it in or is that? Well, >> yeah. Yeah. I mean, so you were Yes. Sorry, Mr. Figs.
>> Yay. >> Mr. Arminente. >> Yay. >> Mrs. Appleate. >> No. >> Um, Mrs. Bond, >> yes. >> Mr. Bucks, >> no. >> Mrs. Janice, >> yes. >> Mr. Narwit, >> yes.
>> Mr. Zimmer, >> yes. >> And Mr. Zuzio, >> I'll recuse myself. Motion passes. All right. Um, future dates, uh, April 13th, we have a virtual policy committee meeting scheduled. Uh, April 20th, there
will be a personnel committee in person prior to the regular board meeting. Um, and then is there uh, as we I guess not old business, we requested uh an opportunity for update on the uh, budget
in April. Is there any other old business that anyone would like updates from any from Dr. Zuckermanman or Miss Williams in April or any new business they'd like sent to a committee? All right. With that, if I we obviously don't have anyone here for public comment. Uh can I get a motion for
adjournment? >> Make a motion for adjournment. >> Second. >> All those in favor? I I >> All opposed? Abstensions.