All right, good evening everybody. This is the opening of Norton Conservation Commission regularly scheduled meeting for Monday, September 22nd. It is now 6:31.
Um and it is a combination uh meeting with uh us being here in the winter room. Um and the rest of uh the commission and many members are
on Zoom. Um, so attending the meeting tonight, uh, for commission members are myself, Julian Kades, we have Joe Carvalo, Dan Pearson, um, and Courtney Miller. Uh, we also
have Mark Fernandez, uh, Lisa, um, [Music] um, is unable to attend. And we have it. You have everybody right.
>> All right. And we also have John Thomas and Megan Har, our director and assistant. Um, first item on the agenda is meeting minutes. Our last
minutes of number eight. Um I look through them. I don't have any comments. Uh anyone have any comments about the last meeting?
>> Um yes. Uh if we go to page four, then the second line up from the bottom of the page, Kadesh describes he project for the applicant.
Uh, so we may not have the same layout, but this is under file number 250 1186 dash one 1186. Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay.
Kadesh describes he project >> and uh >> also the line above that it's >> Kish >> but anyway um despite whatever uh orders might be
coming out of the executive I I think we don't want this to be a he project but the project >> okay I can do Uh, yeah, I understand. >> All right. Any other questions or comments about minutes September 8th?
If not, we can consider a motion to accept the minutes of September 8th as um corrected. >> So moved. Motion by Joe. >> Second. >> Seconded by Mark. A roll call vote
beginning with Dan and Courtney. >> I >> I >> and Mark and Joe. >> I I >> And I will throw in an I as well. The
motion carries. Our next item is uh violations. Anything new with the violations? I think they were had a plan for each last time. >> Yeah. So, the um violation for 93 King Phillip, they sent me over some new
information today. I'll be recirculating that. Um, I have a sitewalk scheduled September 30th with their wetland consultant to go over the expectations for making sure that that site is stabilized through the winter. And then,
for instance, then we're going to discuss the potential for mitigation aspects, but they're going to be coming in for October 6, that meeting to kind of give the commission a more final mitigation plan and hopefully have this all wrapped up by then. uh the 181 West
Main Street project. That one they're going to be filing an afteraction permit. I think they're working on it. Uh but as of right now, um I haven't have any I haven't had any updates on that as of yet. So um you know, they said they were going to have something
for us for the next meeting. So hopefully we can uh get in touch with them then. [Music] So, next on the agenda is an update for 376 Old Colony Road about two areas of
uh restoration. >> Did you put them up here? >> So, check. I'll put them up on the screen, too. All right. Yeah. front and back area. >> Yeah, there were two areas of of
proposed restoration. One front of the lot and the other in back. >> All right. So, let's start with the front. Just share my screen.
That's why There we go. Everyone see that plan? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> All right. And so we have a representative of the applicant. You want to just describe what's going on.
And uh >> so I have both of them prepared for the the mitigation. I have deer fence put up all the way around them to try to keep the deer out from eating the plants. And right now we're having a difficult time finding all of the plants that we need
to plant. But we're searching several nurseries to uh try to get this planting to happen. Hopefully by the middle of October I'm I'm completed with both of them. That's what I'm hoping. So I assume the plan is to
plant as many as you can find now and if you have to do more in the spring. >> Yeah. Well, if if worst case scenario, I would probably do one and then leave the other for the spring if if wor you know, worst case scenario if we if we can't find what we're looking for. But that'll
hold me up. So I'm I'm trying to get them both done so I can move forward with the rest of the property. >> Yeah. So the, you know, part of the thing is that this has been something that, you know, has been on the the um
the conservation commission's radar for a while and you know, one of the big topics of discussion was I know Mr. Lucivida here would like to do something with the property in the future. Um, unfortunately there was a pre-existing enforcement order um on the property
when he purchased it and part of it was that he would have to um provide that mitigation aspect to release himself from that old enforcement order. And he came in for a design about two years ago with with um Ken Thompson from Five
Wetlands. and they had this design and he's shaped the basins and everything and everything's kind of been, you know, left to its own devices for for a little bit and now he's finally kind of coming in with a formidable planting plan uh to get him through the whole entire
process. The um the biggest kicker here is that we need to make sure that the wetland mitigation area is successful and he Steve is going to be Steve Liv is going to be responsible for making sure that the all plants that he plants out there survive at least a two-year
monitoring period. So that's where it's going to be important for him to make sure that his wetlands botnist and himself uh understand that, you know, regardless of whether the commission allows for the release of the enforcement order as part of the his in good faith, he still needs to make sure
that he keeps to this uh two-year monitoring. Now, if he did come in with a potential permit or a project application, we could wrap that into that permit as well. It would just be at the discretion of the conservation commission. So, I'm just letting the conservation commission know that as
long as he starts the work out there, we can wrap the mitigation as part of the whatever proposal that he's if he wanted to come in for a notice of intent application or something like that, we could wrap that into that order of conditions if we needed to.
>> When are you intending to complete the seating with New England wet mix? because I see there's sizes, quantities, etc. with your plant schedule. It sounds like you're having trouble getting a
hold of a lot of the plants that you're looking for. So, is anything going down in the meantime? >> The back replication right now has grass covering over the whole area. Um, the front area does not, but it's all
protected by siltation fence all the way around it. And if we can't find the plants, um, then I'll put down the the wetland seed mix in order to, uh, get get the germination on it. Um, that's the plan
is to get the plants in. And then he also has on the plan here, he also has, uh, how much seed that we're putting down in each area. So, I was in hopes of getting this planting done between the 24th and the 1st of October, but he just um let me
know that he's having a hard time getting all the plants that need to be planted. So, he's in search of it right now, but he said he's, you know, he's got five other replications that he's also doing right now. And and that's why there's a shortage of uh the wetland bushes, I
guess. John, isn't there any concern about soil loss in this front end >> for the area that he has? Most of the area that he has, I mean, I I went over to the site the other day. Most of the areas that have been kind of left
unattended or haven't been mitigated with plantings, um, they're kind of established with some sort of vegetative cover. >> So, I'm not really entirely worried about the >> Am I hearing feedback? >> Yeah. Who's got the feedback? >> Oh, is this
>> No, it's not us. >> I'm not worried about the um the uh Sorry, we're hearing FE feedback, so I apologize. Um I'm not worried about the um area being um you know, for soil loss or erosion potential for the area.
It's more so with making sure that the the work in the order or the enforcement order is upheld and making sure that he can continue making progress towards this because the biggest challenge that I've had with this is that you know the
reason why this is happening now is that there's a potential proposal coming down our pipeline that you know obviously is going to be coming in soon and I just want to make sure that this doesn't get lost in lost in the weeds or lost in trans transition here um as as an
afterthought. This is more so saying that this needs to get done before they can move to the next phase with what they want to do on the project site. So, I'm just trying to bring that bring Steve and his team into this and just basically say, you know, this this needs to needs to happen before then, for
instance, we can allow for any sort of issuance of an order of conditions because we can't issue an order of conditions when there's an active enforcement order. We just can't do that. Um, so this is kind of where we need to basically kind of put our foot down and say this needs to happen before we get any sort
of proposal in front of us. >> All right, >> Joan, I have a quick question. >> Yeah. >> Um, particular plant species that you're struggling with. >> I can't answer that. I'm not I'm not the botist. I don't know what he's chasing,
what he's not chasing, but he's made several calls for me to uh and he's waiting he's waiting back on um proposals from different nurseries. He's already put out, you know, what what he's looking for and he's waiting back for the information from them.
>> My question is just like there's American element here and we know that's a Dutch elm species. Uh very common in the area here. Uh the silky dogwood's got some issues. I'm just curious if they can be substituted with something that might be a little easier to get a
hold of. >> And I think that's definitely an option, Joe. I think that if their wetland botonists would give us, you know, a list of potential substitutes for species that they can't get their hands on, I think that is definitely something I could present to the commission. Um,
you know, I just found out about this last week, so that's why I told them to come in front of us here. Um but if their botists create can't find the species that is basically needed or that was put on the plan they're pro they should provide alternative species that
would fit the mold of kind of making sure that they can keep with the what their vision was for the mitigation area. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome. All right. Any further questions or comments about this? So, it sounds like
you have a plan going. >> Yeah. Well, I I I can't go any further. Like I I I have units that are are not rented right now. The the the property stabilizes itself, but there's there's
I I have to get these planted in order to move forward. That that that's that's the bottom line, >> right? But but I think >> otherwise my hands are tied. I can't I can't do anything with the property. But I think the idea of substituting for those things that are if that's what we can do if he can find
>> Yeah, I think that would be an option. >> I mean, I would just talk to Ken and tell him that if he's unable to find selective plants, he should be putting together a list of plants that would constitute sufficient substitutes. >> He's he's the one that's actually chasing the the products for me as far
as as far as >> understood. But I mean part of it is that is that you know if you can't find a specific species in a certain time frame that's that's you know that that happens a lot. >> Yeah. >> And you know this is not this is not unheard of where you can't find a
specific species that was on a plan two years ago. >> Yeah. >> Um you know if you need to make changes or make an alternative to a certain species you can provide a new list to the board for acceptance. The challenge is is that my board only meets every two weeks.
>> Yeah. So, how am I supposed to how am I physically supposed to like make that dis, you know, determination? because the next time that we're going to have a meeting is October 6th and you know I guess my issue is that a and not to you
know put any shame to the the wetland scientists or anything but you know that is basically their job to basically give you that opportunity to say okay well here's my suggestions for potential you know plants that I would recommend or provide you an alternative list of
plants I mean I haven't been provided all that oh the only thing I was provided was this plan you know of that list a bunch of species here with with you know with areas where you're going to plant them. That's great. But for instance, if you're try if you're having trouble finding those species, let me
know. Let me communicate that and I will try to like assist you in the process to my capacity. But know I didn't know that you were having trouble finding those plants. >> I didn't know up until the other day myself. So, I mean, >> so I had plans on planting the week of the 24th to the 1st of October and being
100% completed with both of them, but then he reached out to me two or three days ago and told me that uh it was there to certain species that he can't find and they're tiny, the ones that he's, you know, well, what I what I would say is make an effort to get what
plants you can basically get now, put them in, and you can fill in the other ones as we go. I mean at this point I mean we we need to get this done. This has been this has been lingering way too long. >> And you know the other challenge that I have is that you know the reason why
this is now you know hot a hot topic right now is because you guys want to do something on the property and I understand that but the challenge is that we need to make sure this gets done beforehand. >> I understand. >> Um >> Sean I have one more question here. Mhm. >> Uh, is any of this machine work in here
or is this all h hand? >> This should this should all be done by hand. >> Okay. I didn't see any notes in here on that. >> All the planting is going to be done by hand. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So then there's no reason we shouldn't be able to get the seed mix at least installed because if we're
bringing these in by hand or even with a hand truck there I mean these trees are very small. >> Yep. There should be no reason, you know, that we can't at least get the seed mix in and start to stabilize this better. >> That's not a problem. The back one's already been done. >> All right. So,
>> so it's just a matter of doing the front one. >> So, I guess my question is you said you were going to start this this week, right? >> That's what I wanted to do. >> Okay. So, then that is the plan. Um I would like a list of the plants that you can't find. Yeah.
>> And that you need to substitute. Um that way I know exactly which plants we should expect not being out there. >> Yeah. >> Uh and which ones give me confirmation of which ones you do you can find. >> Um that way for instance when I go out there for an inspection I know exactly which plants I'm going to find when I go
out. >> Right. >> All right. >> Yeah. >> All right. And I would also add that um this might be an issue um that we can authorize John to make an administrative decision without having
to wait until a meeting uh with regard to okaying substitutions. So I mean I don't have the level of botney background that I would really add anything substantive to
uh you know ratify a a substitution decision. So uh I think uh can we do this motion? Do we need to do a motion or can we just uh to to authorize you to do an administrative decision on these
substitutions? >> The commission can do that. They feel comfortable doing that. I mean, I've done wetland mitigation projects my whole entire career. So, >> so, uh, anyone want to offer a motion to authorize John to approve the the
substitutions on this project? >> So, moved. >> Seconded. >> Uh, so we have a motion by Dan, seconded by Courtney. Roll call vote again. Uh, Dan and Courtney, how do you vote? >> Yay.
I >> and Mark and Joe. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> And I'll throw in an I. So, you're all set there. >> Okay. So, when do you think everything's going to be? >> I'll reach out to Ken Thompson tomorrow
and I'll uh tell him that you want a list of substitute plants that >> I want and I want a start date and I also want to know when you guys think you're going to be done. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, >> John. I would still love to see the list
if possible if you >> that'll that'll that'll get circulated. >> Yeah, we we will we will certainly look at it but I think in terms of avoiding any delay, John can do the administrative approval and then give us the final result in our
next meeting. >> All set. >> You are all set. >> You're all set, Steve. Thank you. >> Good night. Um so next on the agenda is our um hearings that have been
um continued. Uh now >> they've already all been voted on. >> Right. So file number 250180. It looks like it's been continued until uh November 10th. Mhm.
>> And uh 250 1186 uh is October 6th. Uh >> so for 1180, I'd just like to make a correction on that one. >> Okay. >> Um they re-uped their continuous
continuence request because 10:20 is the town meeting date. >> Correct. Correct. >> So the next um date that they What was it, Megan, again? >> 11:10. 11:10. So they made a request for 11:10. So I
need the board to um just sanction that and just say that that is fine. >> Okay. So looking for a motion to continue file number 1180, which is 61
West End Street, the current Honeydew Donuts site. Um, >> so moved. >> Second. >> And that's a motion to continue until uh 11:10. So uh Dan and Courtney, how you
>> I >> and Mark and Joe >> I >> I >> and I'll throw in an I. So uh and the next item is So I didn't see any other hearings that requested a
continuation. Uh Leonard Street requested one this morning. >> Ah yes they did. Okay. And um their preferred date is um >> the 6th. >> So >> October 6th. >> All right. So we are looking for a
motion to continue Zero Leonard Street project which is file number 250-1178 until um October 6th. >> So moved. >> So moved. Uh, so I think Joe got the motion. Dan
got the second. Courtney and Dan, any vote? >> I >> I >> And Joe and Mark, how do you >> I >> Hi. >> And I'll throw in an I. That motion carries. Uh, and then the last item in
the discussion items. Well, I shouldn't say the last town meeting is October 20th, so we cannot hold a meeting that day. It had been provisionally scheduled, but there will be no meeting
of the conservation commission that day. Um, then we'll all have fun at town meeting, right? >> Oh, yes. Um any other uh items to discuss in public inquiry department updates?
>> As of right now, I mean the most recent one was 376 Old Colony. They're going to be coming in with a proposal at some point. Um but I told them that they need to fix their um wetland mitigation requirements first before we entertain
any sort of proposal on the property. So that's why they were here to this evening. All right. So uh next up is file number uh continued public hearing file number
250 1184 which is both zero and 77 West Main Street. Um we will this is the old u Clarence Ridge site. Yes,
>> he lived there. >> Um, and this involves the um we will recall the discussion of uh article 97 property which uh divides the
the two parcels that are being considered for development. So uh we had essentially everything presented in the last meeting. Is that correct? So, the only thing left for this meeting is to
eventually close the public hearing and then later act on the order of conditions. >> Yeah. And I guess in no in addition to that conversation that we had regarding the town having a license agreement
um that was all vetted through the um select board um that Thursday night following our meeting. Um so that has all been gone and vetted through uh town council as well. Uh the select board I actually attended that meeting. and the
select board made it very clear uh that they had town council's involvement while they were uh administering it and is signing it um that evening. So um you know my understanding is that they have the opportunity to go through that and
that it's in our packet that I gave everybody uh for this project. Um but >> all right. Yeah. >> Well, I just be because I was not all that familiar with uh article 97, I
think we have to present uh to everyone involved in this particular um project uh a rough summary of article 97. So I just want to read
into the record uh description uh this article uh dates from 1972. It is uh an amendment an amendment to the Massachusetts uh constitution. Um and it's
intended to protect the public's right to a clean environment. Um and the primary purpose is to ensure that there is no net loss of protected
lands including which which includes conservation easements and uh parklands. And um there if you want to change the designation of those lands, there is a
well specified process which uh in the local town involved must have the the votes of u the governing board. In this case, it is the select board uh and the
uh the board that uh oversees the particular land and in this case that is parks and recreations. Uh and then it the change in use has to be brought before um both houses of the
Massachusetts legislature and the requirement for changing is that there is a twothirds uh majority of the legislaturator's voting for it and it can be a a voice
vote. Um so the the the next uh point of discussion was whether or not our review from conservation's perspective can be closed
uh while this process is still pending and there there are many circumstances in which we do that already. So to me the answer is yes. We can close it. We can issue uh an order of conditions. Uh
some of the other projects that have this issue of other boards having to continue review after we have completed ours. Uh generally planning board is in that circumstance. Board of Health, Army
Corps of Engineers, MEPA, MISA, and uh Mass Department of Transportation to name just a few. So, from my perspective, I feel comfortable closing this hearing and issuing
um an order of conditions. And we do have a copy of the license agreement that was processed and voted on uh by the select board with input from count town council. So I have no concern or
hesitation that the proper procedures are not being followed. So with that discussion uh anyone on the board have questions about this process of article 97 which
really in this case doesn't uh directly concern us. I don't have any questions, just maybe a comment and and um in reading the agreement that was put into the folder versus the the uh proposed order, it's
clear that the the order is going to going to persist with this lot of land in perpetuity, right? The license agreement is specific to say that it is specific to the owner, not to the property. So my only thing is I'm just
thinking in in terms of the conditions. I want to be clear that again just playing out worst case scenario something happens with that easement. I understand from the discussion last uh meeting that area would be used for potential snow storage. So, if for some reason in the
future there was some issue with that that spot, um there would have to be a either other area selected for snow storage on the property outside of the easement or as we discussed taking it off site. So, I just want to make sure
that gets um clearly delineating the order so that 50 years from now somebody is looking at this trying to make sense of it, it it's clearly laid out there. >> Yeah. I I well when we get to the the discussion of the order uh we can review
that but I think um I I think that's in >> I didn't put specifically in that piece of land so that's definitely something we're going to want to itemize. >> Yeah, I know we talked about snow storage and you know if if for some reason it wasn't adequate on site it
would be the owner would be responsible for removing it to an off-site location. So I just want to make sure that that's clearly laid out there. >> As I recall, the discussion of snow storage with that particular parcel was it was a very small portion of the
parcel that was going to be considered for for snow storage in addition to other locations on the property. Um all right. Um, so I think unless there are any
questions and uh we do have um actually are you the the owner, sir, in the audience? >> Yes, I am. >> So you don't have a question about this? >> I don't. >> Okay. >> All right. Uh and I I don't see any
hands raised uh with regard to the other Zoom uh people in the in the meeting. I I um this is Rich from Field Engineering on behalf of the owner. >> Yeah. >> Um I don't have any additional questions. I believe this was the only
outstanding issue of the discussion. So, >> all right. >> Are there um are there any rules about use of snow melt or other accutrants? >> Yeah. >> Uh chemicals at the bottom right here.
>> Yeah. That's going to be in the order when we get to the that part of the >> Okay. >> And and that'll be uh later in the meeting. >> Okay. >> We do have snow storage uh snow um um
removal procedures in the operation and maintenance plan as well that will um u prohibits the use of salts and chemicals for for snow melt. it just be sand and then um stressing that the you know the
snow will melt through the storm water management system. That would be the that's the um that's the intent of the the stockpile areas as best we can. So um plus the whatever conditions are are in your your um your orders as well.
>> All right. So unless there are further comments or questions, uh we can consider a motion to close the hearing for file number 250184. >> So second >> a motion by Joe, seconded by uh that was
Mark. Is that right? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Second by Mark. Uh so Courtney and Dan Andy. >> Hi. All right. >> Uh, Courtney, you have to abstain. >> Yeah, Courtney, you gotta abstain from this one. Yes, I guess we'll have to do that. So,
all right. So, we have Dan's I, Mark, and Joe. >> I I >> And I'll throw in an I. So, the motion carries. We will consider the orders of conditions later in the meeting. Uh next
on the agenda is file number 250-1187 which is 0 John Scott Boulevard. It is a new public hearing uh and it involves construction of a house with on-site site well and septic system.
Is there a um a representative of the applicant? >> I'm the owner. Is Bill there? Can you hear me? >> Uh yeah, you're showing up as Mike. >> Yes, Mike. >> Uh it So, Bill,
if you are the representative, you are currently muted. I don't know if you can find the button. Is Bill Is Bill up? >> Bill is up. Uh, he seems to be struggling with >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Finding a way to un unmute the the mic. >> I I wish I came down there. I should have just came down. I can't unmute him. No. Okay. I can ask him to unmute, but I can't unmute him. Let me just put up the plan. Yeah, give
me one second. I'm going to have them just rejoin. All right. Okay. Just zooming this thing in a little bit. So, see it. So, what you should be
seeing now on your screen is um the part of the parcel that is not in wetlands. Uh [Music]
and you will note that there the entire parcel the the entire upland parcel is in home. >> Yeah. So this property abuts um the
water and sewer department. If anyone goes down John Scott Boulevard, it's the piece of property that is right next door. Um, if you're heading east, um, towards, um, I guess 140, this is
the property that is directly abut and sewer department, but they're proposing a three-bedroom house. Uh, looks like they have a septic system and a driveway off of John Scott Boulevard. I went out there to take a look at the
um the wetlands. I didn't have any issues with the flagged wetlands. Um it does look like the topography out there is definitely been altered. There's a lot of unulating terrain, which means there's a lot of ups and downs. Um
there's ledge, there's out outcrop, there's all sorts of um you know, stuff that's going to have to be regraded. So, the whole entire site looks like it's going to require some grading. Um, but from my understanding, uh, the applicant feels that they could get a perk out
there to facilitate the, um, you know, septic system and leeching field. So, it's it's my understanding that it did pass. Um, but, you know, it's just a interesting kind of site. Um, you know, it's a very small upland
piece uh that is basically invested by wetland buffer like uh Julian just said. So >> John, is there any riverfront on this? >> There is no riverfront on this one, Joe. >> Okay. >> It's just a buffer zone project. There's
no flood plane either. >> Okay. >> Vernal pools. >> No vernal pools within proximity of this area. I thought there would be actually, but there isn't. Okay. >> I actually was out here back during vernal pool season.
>> What is the proposed erosion control protection where that well is planning to go in? >> We would put silk fence all around that. I I presume. Did you Did Bill get unmuted?
>> Uh no. I I think he >> I tried to text him to unmute. Yeah, I don't see him. >> He's not here now, but uh someone said they were going to try to have him bring come back in the meeting.
>> John, I see we got the on at least on the sediment control. We have the stakes through the silt sock again here. >> Yeah, I mean that's pretty typical. >> Can you hear me now? >> We can hear you. >> Oh, we can. Who Who speaking? >> I'm sorry. This is Bill Gotwald. I I'm
on my phone now. I couldn't get through on my iPad. So, uh any questions? I should be okay. >> Yeah, we we have been talking about plan. We've been noting that uh >> Yeah, I could hear what you saying. So,
>> um I where where is the well? I don't Oh, I >> proposed well. I see I see it on the plan there. Um >> if you see the lot, I mean, it's a it's almost two acres. We only have 10,000 square foot upland more or less. And in
order to meet the setbacks for the well and septic, I had to put in a uh a advanced treatment system, a singular air unit which allows the leeching area to be reduced by 50%. So that's that's you know up in the
little uh triangle pot up there and it just makes the 100 foot set back to the well with the well about 2 feet into the uh 25 ft no touch zone. Okay. Um
but of course the the septic system that's that's board of health, >> right? No >> Bill, where do you stand with the board of health right now? >> Um as far as Chris has has looked at I have not he's not given official
approval yet, but last time I talked to him everything meets Title five. I I'll be honest with you. He we have uh two concrete chambers in there with stone around it. He would prefer three which
is what would noruction of the well set back of less than um 100 ft. So that's why we use this uh nitrogen reduction uh system which you know so he he understands by code we meet everything by code but he has not
given his blessing uh kind of wait to see what goes on with you guys >> and um planning board has approved this as a buildable lot or or actually is that planning or board of
health >> I I don't think planning board has no is not going to have jurisdiction over this one. >> It's a zoning board issue. It's a pre-exist >> pre-existing non-conforming lot. >> Yeah, this this lot is been pre-existing
for quite some time if I'm not mistaken. Right. >> It is. Okay. >> Yep. Since the 60s when they took John Scott Boulevard created that lot, they cut it off of Jav Street. >> Okay. And you've got correspondents from zoning board saying that everything's
good. I do. >> John is uh what's what's the plan to drill this well within the 25? I mean, you're talking a a big rig to do this. Um, you know, is I I don't see any proposed here on how they're going to
contain the drill holes or any of that with with it being inside our 25. Yeah, they're gonna have to have some slurry stuff out there just in case because they're so close to the wetlands. >> Yes, we would have a pit on on on on
the upland side of the flag for the slurries and then the truck would sit on the upland side and just the tail end where they drill would be back into the buffer unit. >> I I I'd like to see that in a plan. >> Is that something you guys can provide us?
>> Um but I mean what do you want to see on a plan? Uh, you know, >> I'd like to know if there's going to be slurry holes. I'd like to know where the discharge is going. >> Okay. >> Whether it's going to be pre-treated. >> Uh, we can do something like that for sure. Yeah. I just didn't know what you
were looking for. >> Yeah. And you're probably going to want to flag that property boundary as well. That's Yeah, I agree. That's That's Yep. And we're going to want those sediment controls pretty pretty beefy, I guess, is kind of what I'm getting at.
>> Yeah. I we we wouldn't let anything run into the wetlands to create more problem, you know. >> Yeah. You know, I just labeled it as uh siltation control, but I have no problem putting in what you think is best. Uh uh besides a silt sock, maybe a a hay
bales, silt fence, something like that. Whatever it takes. >> No hay bales, but I think u you know silt sock with backing of some you know just some silt fence I think would help. You know that that's a double layer of protection. >> Yeah, >> that'll be fortified probably throughout
construction. Um, you know, I guess I guess my question is, you know, obviously I I do take reservation with the the drilling of the well as well as Joe has kind of indicated, but you know, I I understand that you might you guys might be working in that area. So, we may
require you guys to make sure that area is stabilized and, you know, I guess revagitated to the best of its ability. Um, how much area you think you're going to disturb with the well being constructed in that area? because I know when wells go in it's usually
a good 15 feet in diameter right that's gets disturbed >> um >> I I don't have a 100% answer for you I think that's a little bit too much but I will find >> get that answer for you from >> All right
>> well then I guess I'm gonna I want to basic I want to see you know potentially an area that you're going to mark out with silk controls >> all right >> that goes into the 25 and kind of gives you that limitation for the excess amount of area that we're going to
basically be restored as part of the um you know the efforts to restabilize and reveate that 25 foot buffer that we have a policy for. >> Okay, fair enough. What I'll do is I'll uh I'll talk to a couple well guys and get that information and I'll put it plan and and we'll put type some type of
slurry pit because I know when they pump it they they got to clean out the well and stuff like that. So, >> I'll I'll Yes, I'll put all that on the plan for you. >> Yeah, it'd be nice to know where all discharge is going. >> Absolutely. >> So, from what I'm hearing, you'll
probably have to drill the well before you do the before you put the other things in. >> We are the well's going to go first. It's got to be tested. >> Yeah. I mean, you can't get a building permit without without portable water anyway. So, uh, that would be really
that'd be the first thing he's going to have to do is put a well in once he gets, you know, all his permits in line. Uh, and then of course after the well is in, you would need to minimize the impact into the 25, which I think
you can do once the well is set. Yeah, I think once we put the well in, we can restore that 255 foot line and then on the uh you know on the the the wetland side uh do what has to be done to re to to restore it to what it should be.
>> Are you guys going to be able to build that house by the way as close to the 25? Are you going to have to How are you guys going to do that? >> I'm not sure what you mean. Well, so now that I'm looking at this a little bit, you know, with a little bit more of a fine tooth comb, I guess the the
easterly because this is upside down, obviously, the easterly side of the three-bedroom house, are are you going to need more room on that that side of the house, the easterly side, because you know that looks very narrow to get where the 25 foot is?
>> I Yeah, I don't just Mike, you'd be better off. And uh >> Well, I I'm not sure what you had in there, Bill. five or 10 feet, but I don't think the house is going to be the exact size. That's basically a building envelope to So, we do something because we're going to be kind of like a tiny
home over there. So, it's that's I have the the house probably about uh just roughly scaling probably three feet off the 25 foot wide. So, that that that's that's pretty tight. And >> that is that is very tight, guys. That
is very tight. 29 three feet is not much room if you need to work on the other side without going into the 25. >> So >> yeah, hug we'll hug the right side of the lot. >> One thing else I'd like to see here is I'd like to see a plan for excavation
where these materials are going to be stored, whether they're going to have to be trucked off site, what the pile sizes are going to be. >> Well, the the lot is actually >> The site is the site's awful small. >> Yep. Yep. Um, and you seem like you're using almost every square inch of it
here. >> Well, you pretty much you're right. You pretty much have to to make it work as you see it, but it it it the foundation is pretty much at um Yeah, it it's going to need some work. You're absolutely right. So,
>> unless unless you're unless you basically just say that you're going to do the septic system last and that's going to be your storage area while you construct the house. >> We are. So everything would get piled along the road and there wouldn't be many piles there because if you notice the lot was low. So by and it's all
gravel because that was scraped out when they did John's cop boulevard. So as soon as you scrape down we're almost at the footing height. So there's really material coming in nothing going out >> to to grade off. >> So can you guys put together kind of a
phase? It's kind of silly, but it sounds it sounds silly, but I think for this site, because it's so constrained, >> we're gonna need to know like how you're basically going to keep this site contained with with material and stuff because, >> you know, I see this this this contractor looking at this. And if
unless they have a good, you know, clear-cut plan on how they're going to do this, you know, it could go it could go downhill real quick. >> No, no. I got I'm a licensed septic. I'm doing all my own site work over there. I'm building the house. I said I'm pretty fussy. I'm I'm gonna keep the
area very clean. I'm you know I'm I'm a Norton guy. Uh it is a tight site. I I give you that. But you know we we're going to clean up. >> I I have a question here. So you're going to dig this hole. You got three things to work with. What's your over
dig on your foundation? >> That's Yeah, your overdigs. Well, on that one that that might be a walk out basement there. So you do you need a five foot overdig. So, we're going to >> Okay. So, now we're two feet into the no touch zone. >> No, we're we're not going to be into the no touch. We're going to make it work
without going into no touch except for the well. >> If if we only have three feet here on this plan right now, then you need five. If your overdig is 5T, then you're two feet in. >> Yeah. I don't think I'm putting a 38 foot house.
>> Okay. Well, we need to see a plan to actually vote on of what's going in here. >> Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was kind of like the B building envelope. I whatever I can fit in the I think he's got a 24 38 square there. So, whatever we can fit in
the 24 38, you know, >> so I would suggest shrinking the the the footprint of the house. >> Yeah. That way it gives you like obviously you know that's going to cut down on the potential bedroom space but you know I would say shrinking the footprint of the house that gives you a
little bit more room to play with for this project and it makes it a lot easier for us to take a look at. >> Yes. Yes. >> Especially gives you a lot more room to work outside the 25. >> Yeah. >> And that gives you a little bit more uh leeway when it comes to construction aspects.
Don, is this a site we can get staked out and then do a do a site walk on? >> Yeah, I think that's definitely something we could have done. Um, but I think that, you know, obviously I think the applicant and their designer needs to basically figure out what sort of footprint they want for the house before
they provide it to us. Um, you know, like for instance, the 20 is it 24 by 36? Is that what this is? >> I'm trying to read it myself. Yeah, I I believe so. Yes. >> Okay. >> So, that's >> so that might be a little bit too big for this for this site. You might need
us to shrink it a little bit. >> I mean, just to give yourselves, you know, kind of a 10 foot, you know, maintenance corridor, uh, you know, in front of the from the I mean, not saying 10, but for instance, you want you want a little bit more room, breathing room on the easterly side of this this residence that you're
proposing. >> Yes. To get around the building. Because that that 25 foot no touch guys that's going to be vegetated. >> Yes. >> So you know in a case of a fire and emergency or anything like that. I mean just saying you know want to make sure
that somebody can get around the house. >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, we'll we'll we'll adjust the the house size and we'll put something for for the uh wells how that's all going to work. >> John, where this well is being potentially drilled. What's the forest
cover like there? >> It's a second successional growth out there because I think it was all dredge spoils mostly out here. >> Okay. So, we're talking fairly large trees then. >> Yeah, moderate. >> Okay. So, do we even know if we can get
this in without removing trees? Is there any >> is there any way we can put these larger trees here on this plan so we know how much disturbance you're actually doing in the 25? I think that's that's an option. I also think that there's a lot of rock and outcrop here that they they
might have some difficulty drilling a well at that location, but I'm not going to be the one that says that. >> I mean, it just it seems like there's a lot of issues here with this and not a great set of plans. I just think it's a very difficult site
to for for kind of trying to secure a house on, but you know, obviously anybody who has a property can propose what they want to propose. Uh it's just our job to make sure that, you know, they actually can do it. Um I don't know. I I guess I'll let that I I I
would give kick it back to the applicant and see what they can, you know, revise and and bring back to the commission for the next meeting. I guess at this point. >> Okay. We'll we'll add uh some of that information. Well, we'll add all that. The wells, the uh I'll adjust the house
size and uh we'll take a look at what trees >> just add one more uh thing to the list and I apologize if you mention it or either during the discussion or on the plans. I'm not seeing it though, but plans for rainwater discharge from the roof.
So, it doesn't seem that you could run the gutters out in that little stretch of property, the little three-foot stretch there. And I understand you have the septic system on the other side. I don't know if you're doing a dry well or just running the gutters out, but would want to see that just marated somewhere.
>> Okay. >> All right. Our next meeting is October 6th. So for continuation uh that can be a choice I assume. >> Oh yeah. >> Does the public have any questions?
>> Right. Anybody on the call? Looks like no. You can either just raise your hand or take your mic off mute. But without any questions, we can consider a motion for continuing
the hearing for file number 250-1187. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Wow, that was pretty simultaneous, I think. Um I think uh motion by Dan, second by Mark. And so Mark and Joe, how
do you vote? Hi >> I >> uh Dan and Courtney >> I >> I >> and I motion carries so
we'll see you next time then. >> Okay. >> All right. >> Thank you. Have a good night. >> You bet. >> Thank you. >> Uh so the uh next uh hearing does not yet have a file number at least on my agenda. Uh it's labeled Zero Elm Street.
Uh and it concerns redevelopment of a commercial parking lot uh for construction of a duplex and a septic system, driveway, etc. Do we have a representative of the applicant?
>> Good evening. Uh Dan Campbell, Level Design Group. On behalf of the applicant, um we do have a file number. It was received today. It's uh 1189. >> Uh and are you able to share your screen for >> I am.
Um so what we have uh I'm sure everybody knows the the uh manufacturing facility former mill building on Elm Street. This is the parking lot across the street. We have essentially a paved lot. We are
about 92% paved. You can see our lot lines. Um the green space is approximate green. The parking lot's pretty grown in around the edges, but conservatively it's about 92% paved. Um you can see the
wetlands that uh John was able to point out offsite to the to the rear. Um, and what essentially happens today from a drainage standpoint is the high point on Elm Street is down somewhere around my plan notes here. It comes along the
gutter of Elm Street and it comes in through the bottom of the site and basically feeds the wetlands through this portion of the property. As long as everybody can see that, what we intend to do is we intend to
remove all of that pavement. Um we have uh permission from zoning board and planning board for the construction of a duplex structure. Approximately 2,800 ft footprint in the middle of the property. As you can see 100 foot buffer zone is
here. And then the 25 ft no build is here. We don't plan on building anything but we will be working in the area so that we can remove the parking lot that exists today. Um,
we are planning on filling the site basically so that there's a flat site. There's also a higher groundwater associated with the property. Um, it is all sands and gravels underneath, but the site's been filled uh multiple times to get to the pavement where it is
today. So, that material needs to come out. Um, basically placement of the septic systems is dictating the uh the elevation of the structure. Um, John did ask a question when we first made the submission about the water that may be going to Elm Street.
As I said, um, right now all of the water comes from approximately this area down the gutter of Elm Street and comes across the parking lot in this area back to the wetlands. We're reducing uh the overall impervious on site um down to
approximately 10% uh from the 92% that it is today. Um there is some uh storm water flow that will come from the grass, but it's a significantly decreased um amount of flow from the existing. And we're
promoting one of the reasons we didn't grade this sideyard further out, for instance, is we are trying to let that storm water from Elm Street continue to pass over the property and hopefully infiltrate in the sideyard. Um, so I'm
happy to uh discuss, happy to answer any questions about the project as a whole or anything else that um uh that you see fit. >> You got to leave a little patch for the police to sit because they sit there now.
>> They do. They do sit there now. >> That is true. Yes. Um, I'm assuming from um the proximity everybody knows where I'm talking about. I did pull up the street view in case anybody needed to to see it.
>> John, did you walk the offsite portion of this behind us? >> The wetlands? >> Yes. >> Yeah. >> Is there a perennial stream back there associated with that or is it just just runoff? >> It's it's a it's a channel. It's
channelized, but it's not a perennial stream. >> Okay. Uh any vernal pool sign there? >> I did not see any vernal pools while I was out there. >> Okay. >> Or any indication of a ver >> Well, there's it's quite wet behind this
site. >> Oh, yes, it is. John, if you're gonna I guess if you're going to do another sitewalk, I'd be interested in uh going along. >> Dan, would you like to go to these
violation and enforcement inspections that I have? Is that what you're asking me? >> Uh that's perhaps less interesting. Uh but um >> Okay. Sound sounds good. I will let you
know next time I decide to go out. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Uh any further questions from commission members about this? >> Just one minor request um to just change the language on the plan set from no
build the 25 foot no build to the 25 foot no disturbance just to be consistent with our our language. >> Thanks. >> All right. and and you say >> is there any restoration plan for the back portion once we remove this asphalt?
>> Um it it currently is shown to be grass. Um the applicant is happy to plant anything that the commission sees fit basically past the bottom of the slope that we're creating um for a backyard.
We can plant um resource area mix inside the 100 foot. We could plant resource area mix in this corner for instance cuz we know it's going to be getting uh storm water from Elm Street and we know that kind of thing will survive.
If there's uh the request to plant a a um wetlands or upland shrub that will also survive the uh uh storm water. I'm more than happy to do that as well. >> John, how do you feel about that?
I mean it the area has been pavement for so long. Um anything at this point um you know that's going to be I guess green uh would be an overall improvement. So I'm not overly if it was
you know disturbed or previously disturbed like within the last couple years I'd say yeah let's restore it. But this has been pavement for eons almost. Uh, so I I think anything that's done to kind of rip up that pavement and make it more uh natural, I think is is miles
ahead of what it what it currently is. >> Will there be any markers placed on this site? >> Oh, you mean for um uh visual buffer? >> Correct. >> Yeah. Well, that's going to be in the order that we issue. >> Okay. I just didn't see them on the plan here.
>> Yeah, that that'll happen. And the the slope in the back is it 3 to one? >> It is 3 to one. Correct. >> All right. The uh >> in that slope, but we're not we're not burming anything onto any neighbors
properties there, are we? >> No. That's the intent of of sort of the the application and the the grading that we did. So, this property somewhat grades into the parking lot as it is today and across and down. So, we're
providing a swale around the backside. Um, that's that's one of the reasons that the the grading cut short for the yard area, for instance. Um, this yard is lower than we are. So, uh, we're not damning anybody's water in in any
respect. We're rerouting it for sure from that upper neighbor, but we've given them about 45 ft of grass before we've started to reroute it. >> I know in the past the back right hand corner of this property uh has had some very large puddles in it.
>> I I can imagine it has. >> Would it be worth it to just mention the the status? I'm not up on it uh to be honest of the property across from this property and does that have any bearing
uh environmental bearing on this property? >> Fantastic question. Everybody else has asked the same question. Um Paul was nice enough to upload the uh phase one and phase two studies that the town did
um to the the application portal for our planning application um and for our zoning application. This property, if you imagine this in the property across the street, right? You've got Elm Street, you've got the property across the street over here,
but the pond is about 14 ft lower than where Elm Street is. So all the contamination from the testing that the town did is coming from the building and heading towards the pond and stream down in this direction. None of it's heading towards the abuing properties or this
property for instance. If you notice there's two monitoring wells on the property, one here and one here so that they could get the cross-section for um property status if they needed to. But they've done a full phase one and phase two uh and the property is considered
clean. So, if there are no further questions from members of the commission, we can uh open it up to anyone in the meeting who might have a question about this project. >> Are these intended to be rental
properties? >> Uh, it's intended to be a for sale duplex. So each side will be a single family home. >> Um now John, um you mentioned uh it's good to see green things there. Uh
Daniel, would you consider uh or the owners consider uh putting in a park or uh maybe just a lawn or something like that or >> So we don't work directly for the owner. We actually work for the buyer of the property. um the owner doesn't plan on
doing anything with the property. Um the buyer uh because of the because of the fill that's on the property um even a single family house doesn't make financial sense. So um the duplex the reason we went through the zoning and
planning process to permit a duplex was the amount of material that we need to take off the surface just to take off the pavement. Um there's around 16 inches of pavement subgrade pavement and subgrade that we went through to do the
soil testing. Um so there's there's some material to be removed for sure. >> I see. So So are are you saying that there is no plan then to build the duplex? >> No. No. I'm saying there is a plan. Our
client is the purchaser of the property. Is there a disposal plan for that material attached to this? >> Um, it's not attached to this, but we do say that it has to be disposed of in a legal manner um offsite.
>> It's it's dense grade and pavement, so most likely it'll go to one of the paving contractors. And it's sand underneath. There's no um uh additional deletious material. There is some below that, but that'll that's mostly metal.
Uh will be disposed of as well. >> Yeah, Dan will make sure it doesn't go into the wetlands. >> Very much so. Well, if it's silver, I'll I'll sit out there all you want and uh
I'm guessing it's not silver. >> Very good. Isn't that what they uh were dealing with there at uh good goodness? It's been so long I can't even remember the name of it. >> So Dan, you you know how to pick these
sites just under an acre by the way. You're very very good. >> It's Yeah, I I was actually really surprised with the N7. >> Yeah. Uh it was Reed and Barton as well as Eureka.
Um, and they uh they made a variety of things. I think Eureka actually made uh trophies, but uh is this a hearing that we've gathered
all the evidence, all the data we need and we can consider closing? >> So, this project doesn't require a local storm water permit because it's less than an acre. Um so you know from my standpoint this project meets all the
all our um requirements meets wetlands protection act. Um provided that the commission has no any other concerns. I mean it's a duplex two driveways. Um the only thing that we haven't discussed is snow storage or snow storage potential.
Um, I don't know if that's something you guys want to talk about, but well, they're they're they're going to be private residences. Is that >> right? >> Is that I mean, generally it would just get pushed to either side of the driveway, >> right? I guess the question is if it's
getting pushed to the back, we want to make sure that it's not in the no disturbance um the 25 foot no disturbance area. So, that's the only thing that I would probably say. >> Yes. Uh could we have the like is it too soon to ask to see where the any uh uh
driveways would be on the plan or >> Yeah, they were actually on the plan. We can bring them back. >> So if you if you're able to see my screen again, we have >> Oh, right. Okay. >> driveways. If you see here's the 25 foot no disturb, >> right?
>> We uh approximately 50 ft away from the 25 no disturb with the end of the driveway. perfectly happy to take a condition that they won't push anything into there. As I heard previously, we're also going to make sure that the area is demarcated. So, um John would definitely be able to tell if one of these
homeowners was pushing something into there. >> So, I don't think it's an issue. It's just we didn't bring it up. Usually, it's a topic of discussion. So, >> that that's because Lisa isn't here today. If Lisa had been here, it would
have been like that. >> I just wanted to just wanted to uh you know, bring it up because we usually comment on it. So, and there are no retaining walls either, so we're not going to come out on that either. >> All right. So, um
it sounds like we can consider a motion to close. Uh we're not more than 21 days out from our next meeting, I believe. >> No, it's two weeks. >> Two weeks. Are all other permits in on this project? >> From what Dan was saying, it sounds like
the zoning board and the planning board approved it, right? Is that right? >> Zoning board and planning board approved it. The zoning decision, they voted, uh, I want to say it was two weeks ago. It's about a week and a half ago. Um, it was filed with the town clerk today. Um, and
the planning decision was filed with the town clerk approximately a month ago. and board of health >> uh board of health is waiting to know that we're allowed to have the system and we have to do one more soil test out there because they did request that the duplex has two septic systems which we
show on that plan rather than one shared system. >> Um so we do have to do one more um deepole test on Wednesday as currently scheduled uh on the the um western part of the property. Are you comfortable thinking that you're safe to close here
or should we stay open just to buffer it? >> Absolutely. We dug a couple of holes the day we did the original soil evaluation. Um it's groundwater was too high to perform a second um perk test in that area. Um so I'm I'm pretty comfortable that that we'll have exactly what we
need. All right. Um, so we can consider a motion, unless there are further questions or comments, to close the public hearing for file number 250-1189.
>> So moved. >> Second. >> Motion by Mark, seconded by Joe, Mark, and Dan. How do you vote? I Looks like Dan got present. >> We'll go with Courtney and Joe.
>> Hi. >> Hi. >> So, Dan, you're unfrozen now. How did you vote? >> Sure. I >> Okay. And I'll throw in an I as well. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate your
time tonight. >> You bet. Thank you. Uh so our next and I believe our last item on the agenda is the orders of conditions for
uh zero and uh 77 West Main Street. >> Yeah. And Mark had a comment regarding snow storage that I want >> Yeah. I don't even know what to do with it. I just um this this one feels weird
to me. I don't know that I in my time I've had one that's kind of tricky like this and it and again it kind of caught me where the lease agreement basically says that the agreement is with the person not the property. It doesn't pass over if the property changes hands and essentially that anybody can terminate
for any reason they want. So, I just want to be mindful of if the plan is to use that back part of the easement for snow storage for whatever reason that doesn't that's no longer an option. Is it clear to somebody that they have to now make a new plan for that? And if
that includes taking it off site, then I think it just makes sense to to put that in writing somewhere. >> Okay. I guess the question is how do we how do we want to write that? I was hoping you had something, John. >> I mean, well, you kind of got me on the spot here, and I'm trying to think think
on the spot. It's not the easiest thing to do. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, I mean, snow storage, we have a license agreement. Um well, I guess the easiest one to say would be that in the event the license
agreement was terminated, the the terms and conditions um for use of the property that's town that's town property would be null and void, right? >> Yeah. I guess maybe just something a little bit more general to say that you
know that they'll ensure adequate plans for snow storage. Um and and I I however we had said it in one of the meetings I think that including you know the the removal of snow to an off-site location if I don't
know if if if if adequate space isn't available or something. I don't know if it makes sense to also just tack on a piece about you know specifically that part if if the designated area in the easement is no longer available or something. I because
I you know the other scen I was trying to run through any scenario in my head that I could think of. Let's say again 50 years go by and now that that spot is also an access to a park that's back there >> and and we still have the license agreement anyway. Is that space still
available for snow storage? I don't know. I just I just think it should um it it's not usual that you have a a a part of a property that's designated snow storage that could change for a number of reasons.
So that have nothing to do with bringing, you know, plans back before this committee. >> But Mark, uh in 50 years it won't snow here anymore. >> Well, that's true. Can we put climate change into the
conditions? >> Well, then they just don't have to worry about it, right? They're not they're they're trying to figure out what to do with all the extra water. >> Massachusetts will be uh the new California. Well, >> they're going to have to replace the the parking lot with concrete because uh
McAdam can't won't tolerate the heat during the the summertime. John, I have one quick one here. >> Yeah. >> Uh G post construction 31 F where it talks about providing the
copy of town. Can we also include state in there too? >> You said what? 31. What? >> 31 F. >> Yes. >> You got to highlight it here. >> Yeah. Provide the commission a copy of
the sign agreement if an easement is pursued through town article 97. >> I mean sorry state. Yeah. State. >> State please. >> Yeah. Not town. So, are we all set with >> I'm thinking I'm thinking I think I got
one. I'm I'm putting this on paper. Okay. >> Um just gonna throw this out here. Uh what's the parcel number for that one? for the town's property. Is it uh map
22? Is it 176 or 8502? Which one is it? >> Well, whatever parcel it is, the town parcel, I said snow storage shall be maintained on the parcel and not interfere with the park current and future use. So, does
that work for you, Mark? >> Is that that's going to be a perpetual condition? >> Yeah. And again, I was just thinking in the in the event, I don't know, there's some giant disagreement between the town and the and whoever owns the property in the future. And now that that whole
is no longer available, they have to move that snow somewhere else. Right. So, >> right. So that they that gives me the authority if I find out that the snow pile is too big. I can ask and request the the person that's using and basically putting that snow there to
either take care of it, put it somewhere else or take it off site if it becomes a nuisance for the actual people that might be using the park property. >> Yep. Yeah, that that works for me. >> Okay. >> And that would be under section H, right? >> Yeah, that would be uh condition number
44. >> Okay. Thanks, John. >> You're welcome. Sorry, I had to think about that one. >> No, it's again, it's this is a weird This is a weird one. I don't I can't think of one that's been like this in my time at least. All right. So, we have a modified
order of condition for file number 250-1184. U offer a motion to accept the modification the modified
version. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Uh Courtney, sorry you can't vote on this one >> again. >> Yeah, I'm sorry. >> Yeah, the problem is you have to second the whole thing.
Uh, all right. So, we have a motion by Mark, seconded by Joe. Uh, so Mark and Dan, how do you vote? >> I, >> and Courtney will be filed as an abstension. And Joe, how do you vote? >> I.
>> And I will vote I as well. Motion carries. Are at the end of our agenda. All right. >> What was that? >> Uh so we now have an obligation to move to adjourn.
[Music] >> Did you get me on that last vote, Julian? >> Uh yeah, you were you were an I. Is that correct? Okay. Yes. Yes. >> Okay. >> Motion to adjourn.
>> Okay. I need everybody to roll call, please. >> All right. Motion by Joe, seconded by Dan, Mark, Dan. How do you vote? >> I >> I. >> And Joe, and Courtney, you don't have to abstain from this one, Courtney.
>> Was that an I? >> Yeah. >> All right. I'll throw an I. >> All right. Thank you, everybody. So now they're right.