6:30 so this is the start of our normally scheduled meet Conservation Commission for for Monday March 10 it is now
6:30 um we have on the in the meeting tonight myself Julian KES who chair Vice chair Lisa Cora also Tom of St Pearson Paxton hell I know um Mark
Fernandez called in as being unable to make the meeting and I guess Joe is also not in the meeting um so we are waving the reading
concerning that this is a um remote and not in person meeting um as Allowed by temporary legislation our first item of business is
um meeting minutes from the 24th of octob of October yeah of February um and I of course wasn't here I think we have a
um I think we have a the a quorum for voting on it um I read through it I didn't see anything unusual any any corrections from those who were here no they they look good to
me Dan did you have anything I don't think there is a quorum to vote on it Cu uh Mark isn't here and there was only four last week I believe uh I know I dropped out partway through the call so I'm not if I'm allowed to
vote we should note that uh Joe carvalo has has joined the meeting for the the record um all right well oh uh let's see no Joe was absent last last time so
we're going to um we're going to table that then to till I guess we have more yeah uh next item
is ween College upcoming peacock Pond wall reconstruction project do we have a representative to discuss that yeah hi Julian this is KRA Kilburn um so yeah this was mostly informative just to let the committee
know that this summer moving in the July August months we'll be continuing on with uh Pond wall repairs uh we have an open um order of conditions 25010 one6 uh that we will be following um but this
is just continuation of what we've done in the past but uh it's been a while since we've done any work so John suggested we add it to the agenda just to be you know informative and you know inclusive and let everybody know what's going on all right anyone have any questions
um I mean this has been before us previously and I I think you guys have been pretty careful about avoiding any kind of degradation of the of the water column um and anyone have any
questions about U timing or procedure so John I assume you're going to be uh involved with just taking a look when the work gets going that's correct yeah I I talked to Craig they're going to give me notice similar to the how they did it previously for
some repairs they did about a year ago so the process is fairly similar um and we'll follow the procedures that are in the order conditions absolutely 100% the only difference I think with this one is we're we're trying we we put it out to bit it's likely bond Brothers will
probably uh be the the likely candidate but uh still to be determined excellent all right unless there any questions from commission members I think we can move on to the next item
thanks everybody thanks Craig you uh next is thank you um it looks like um file number 250- 11168 which is uh Mass doot uh redesign of the intersection
Route 123 and north and south wester streets is requesting a continuation um I'm assuming until the that's correct um this has G before as before
uncontroversial anyone want to offer a motion so moved second we have a motion by Joe second by uh for continuation of file number 250- 11168
to the 23rd of 24th of March so uh Joe and Tom uh not Joe well we can do Joe and T how do you vote hi hi and Dan and Paxton
I Dan has a blank screen at the moment but Lisa how do you vote it was day okay and I'll vote Yes so I think we had that four in there so we can say it
passes I'm assuming Dan will be back at some point um any um public inquiries or departmental updates we got one new project coming in uh for the 24th as of right now we got
it today um so that'll be on our agenda okay so if that completes that section we'll move on to contined public hearings first up is file number 250-1 73 concerning zero South Washington Street
which has been before us uh in multiple forms um and I think there are still some outstanding items do we have a representative of that project yes sir you have Chris freri I'm a wetland scientist with Gard Consulting I'm
joined by Dan Marin from Legacy engineering he's the project engineer U maybe you guys can just share your screen and bring up a y sir plan and tell us where things stand right now
absolutely uh okay let's go with this guy for now just to recap where we've been the project proposed here is essentially an outdoor storage yard for Dave the applicant
company we have a shop building shown up here in Orange with a handful of parking spaces associated with that area we have our limit of work highlighted in yellow here and then within the 100 foot buffer zone our limit of work is in this kind
of hatching again bordering vegetated Wetland System 25 foot buffer zone is shown as this lighter blue band kind of going around the outside perimeter of the work area so at this point and I
should also note we do have a a retaining wall that will surround the downg gradient side of much of this proposed storage yard at this point we are entirely outside of that 25 foot buffer zone we are still working in that 25 to 100t
section of the buffer zone we're proposing storm water management subsurface primarily we're collecting all storm water and we'll be complying with the storm water standards that storm water report
operations maintenance uh Swip has all been provided to you the surface of the yard uh as we've discussed in the past is to be recycled asphalt millings so similarly to an asphalt surface it will essentially
result result in the same final condition there with that material it's a little bit more malleable than uh your standard asphalt surface though as of today we have submitted our project application to the planning
board Dan took care of that today we essentially are here to confirm that there are no uh really substantial big picture site layout design changes that the commission is thinking of requesting of us so that we
can hopefully initiate storm water review and not have to immediately rreview storm water based on some sort of layout change so that is essentially where we stand right now between Dan and myself we'd be more than happy to answer any
questions you might have I just clarify I I may have misunderstood so the yard is going to have a surface of recycled asphalt or
it's going to be used to store and cycle recycled asphalt in and out I didn't quite get that so the the surface as though you were Paving it will be recycled milled asphalt the purpose of the yard is to store da for Dave's
company uh they essentially provide trench boxes and Road plates and those types of things so that's the purpose of the yard the surface will be those recycled asphalt millings okay so I believe yeah I believe I asked last time
from you guys if you guys could confirm whether Board of Health is going to require um a septic system in leeching field out there I just don't know where you guys stand with that right now yeah I think I can address that and Dan fil me and if I'm missing anything here we
do believe a septic is likely required here we do have uh record of test pits being conducted on site we're working on tracking down those Title 5 form 11 so that we can design something around it but our hope
and kind of anticipation here is that we'll be able to locate that outside the 100 foot buffer zone the two test pits in the top right hand corner of the plan or supposedly the septic test pits done by the prior
design engineer two and three there so that's outside the buffer zon so I just need to track down those those forms from the Board of Health okay I mean that checks out for Board of Health requirements um being at least 100 feet away from a from any Vernal pool or any
50 feet away from a wetland so that checks if you guys are going to put them over there so I mean I can start the pview but that's that's that area is going to be paved or not paved going to have that same uh recycled pavement surface so the septic leeching field is
going to be under underneath or is it going to be above it's going to be underneath okay I mean obviously we'd have to know what the groundwater level is at that location too so yeah and we there's actually test pit logs on the site plan
okay um I just need to again track down the the title five forms that go along with those logs but if you look at test holes three and four which are to the left there top right and in the left you see there's no redo there's no
groundwater um uh faster than 2minute perk in testle 3 test hole there's the other perk I mean as long as you guys as long as you guys put on the plan that that's the reserve area and it's showing it outside the conservation's jurisdiction I think we
would be able to you know since it's not in our jurisdiction we don't have jurisdiction over it but if it was then it would be a concern of ours so what I can do is basically just lay out the design of the system to demonstrate to you that it's outside of the buff Zone then that then that's what we would need
basically to you know move this forward um that way I can basically inform the peer reviewer that the work is going to be outside conservation jurisdiction okay yep I think T had a
question yeah I I did I do um just first of all I just wanted to say thank you for using a colorized version of that this plan at least for me it makes it a lot easier to understand visually what's happening um my other question was just
around the um the asphalt the M asphalt does that mean that it's like a loose kind of like gravel or is this a like kind of a a pressed um asphalt it goes down loose but then you compact it and
and basically it turns into a very firm surface thanks you're welcome go over the design and how much room is between the 25 foot no disturb Zone in the toe of that wall if the wall is going to have a foundation if you have enough
work um area for work Zone to construct it y absolutely we did leave several feet below the base of the wall to the 25 ft there's these are gravity block walls there is no Foundation they're just bedded on 6 in
of crush Stone so we just left enough room to account for the ability to install that Crush Stone bed and there are a couple areas where there's a slope down slope at the bottom of the wall and that's all accounted for outside of the 25t buff okay so working your way back
around the building you won't need access between the building and the wall then so there'll be a walking area there so the back of the wall there in that location that Chris is pointing to is maybe 5 ft off of the building so you can walk through there and then in the back left hand corner of the building
it's more like 10 ft so there'll be access to the back of the building and is that all going to be grassed area right where you're um C be the same surface of the Recycled asle H okay okay system in that area to collect all
the runoff from that area Okay so nothing is going to be except the front strip is going to be vegetated is that correct in the proposed work area correct the front strip is is vegetated per zoning as a screening strip the rest
of it is intended to be the you know the the use of the site so where on this plan does it show where the wrap is going to be placed and is there a note to that effect
or where the what is the wp recycled asphalt what we call it um is there a note that says where that's going so it's on the there's the layout sheet I think Chris yeah see that all
the hatching ah okay okay I see it now all right thank you you're welcome and I'm assuming your your building is going to be a steel building with um I mean what kind of foundation uh is
required for that the aan hasn't really nailed down the building design yet but yes I do anticipate it will be a steel building typical of a steel building is you just have a a a knee wall uh that extends up above grade maybe 3 feet and then goes into the ground 4 feet so
there's no basement right the slab onr okay uh any other questions among uh commission members uh or for that matter anyone in the meeting if you have a question uh you can go to the reactions button and press the raise your hand otherwise you
can just turn take your mic off mute and ask your question and identify yourself so as I understand it we still need uh information from Board of Health and planning board with regard
to whether any changes of of the design will be necessary from them and we Al and we also need um um the storm water
um youry riew yeah I think that was the the main proponent of this was was figuring out if they had all the groundwork for the potential to start in the peer riew it looks like they do um they've initiated um a permanent application with the
planning board and based on discussions with Dan and Chris it seems that the proposed or potential of citing of a um SAS system will be outside the jurisdiction the Conservation Commission so we don't have any requirements under
that um that requirement so um I'd say that we can start the peer review I can talk to the peer riewer and we can go through the process to get this uh hopefully uh in line for the next meeting all right so our next meeting is the 24th of March in two
weeks and um do we if we unless we have any further questions or discussion we can consider a motion for continuation um I'll make the motion to continue the public hearing for file 250117 3 to the March 24th
meeting second second oh let's see there were a couple of microsc difference there motion by Lisa should we say seconded by Joe you did make a noise there Joe right
okay so seconded by Joe so uh we'll start with h Paxton Lisa and Joe how do you vote I hi hi and Dan you have a check mark so that
sounds like an i and I will throw in an i i i and I have a one more from Tama so that I think it's all of us we're all kind of scattered around um all right motion carries thank you
guys jul Julian sorry before they go uh guys just for the next meeting um be prepared to close out that other order um so I would make strides for um potentially with that one as well we can have a conversation about that offline
but sure thing yeah I think it'll make sense for us to touch Bas real quick after this John all right sounds good we'll be in touch I unfortunately lost the meeting due to a bunch of popups so I'm going to see if I can yeah
here we go the meeting is back um all right so our next item on the agenda is file number 250 1170 40 416 Old Colony Road um this I believe
was a new project last meeting so I did not see it at that time but I did review it do we have a a representative of the applicant yes good evening Mr chairman my name is Dave placed with CMG here
represent Andre the applicant maybe we could bring up a plan and uh review what was outstanding from the prior discussion okay I can you let's see do you see my screen we do uh so we see a
portion of your um of your plan and as I understand it the our area of jurisdiction is actually just a little outside of your screen
that there's very limited um border uh I mean um 100% 100 foot buffer on your property is that right that is correct um just this is the basically the our site is over here to the left the 100 foot buffer is at the rear of the
property associated with the on the neighboring property at 420 Old Colony Ro also owned by the applicant um after last week's meeting I know the our plans and Stor Water Report were sent out for peer review uh we got the received the
comments last Thursday uh there were only two minor comments which uh we were able to address today and I know the peerreview engineer was able to respond uh basically he had asked uh because we're in an area of Rapid infiltration
rate rate the subsurface soils are good coarse Sands he recommended we have a 44% pre-treatment before we infiltrate so we uh replaced instead of having deep sump hooded catch basins in the front of the property we're now proposing the
hydro Works water quality units to get 80% TSS removal prior to infiltration on the side we have a surface Basin which also receives runoff from two other catch basins because we have high groundwater a little limited
so we were able to fit in a a for a sediment forb to add an additional 25% to the Deep sum catch Basin to meet the standard um I know uh Pat Brandon was very um excess he returned my call today and was nice enough to actually respond
with a letter late today approving those changes and I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have uh yeah I I just have a question for John just for my own clarification I mean I noted that there was a very small area of this actually
in the buffer zone but the entire drainage system ultimately goes into that area in certain overflow conditions it looks like most of it will infiltrate but I assume because of that it really
brings the entire project within our jurisdiction as far as storm water review is that a correct interpretation John that is a fair interpretation as you've you've outlined right there but yes and I think um you know I did not see I was out on inspection so I didn't
see that um Pat had the uh response so thanks for giving that um that update David appreciate it other qu questions from other uh members of the commission and if not anyone in the meeting have a question for this the
same um uh way applies go to the reactions button press the raise your hand or just take your mic off mic off mute and announce your name so as I understand it then this has
undergone uh storm water peer review with uh resolution of any of the issues and that potentially uh this will be ready for an order of conditions next meeting yes um we should be able to
close this this evening and I can draft up order conditions for the next meeting uh David you don't have to attend I'll just send you over is you want me to send you over the order all right so I'll make a motion to close the
public hearing for file 250 -170 second so we have a motion by Lisa second Paxton to closed meeting uh T Lisa and Paxton hady vote hi hi hi Joe
Dan how wrote I I and I'll throw in an i the motion carries thank you David thank you very much we will uh act on the order of conditions next meeting our next item is
file number well it doesn't have a file number as of yet but it's a concerns a project at 225 South wer Street um concerning construction of 15 duplex structures and again this was a a new
project last meeting so I didn't previously review it I did review um the minutes and the material on Google Drive but the representative of the applicant they're not here they requested a continuance today they're waiting to see
if they could get peview be able to respond to it but there were quite an extensive amount of comments from the uh peer review um um engineer so they're not going to be able to address they weren't able to address them today um so they're going to have to they request to
continue until the 24th so I'll make a motion to continue the public hearing for uh I'll make make a motion okay uh we have a motion by Lisa and Dan you are have just seconded it
so Paxton T and Lisa how do you vote hi hi hi Dan and Joe I I and I'll throw a n motion
carries um we now have a new uh item on for public hearing file number 250- 11174 361 rear Old Colony Road uh concerning installation of a building so do we have a
representative uh good evening my name is Michael Edwards I'm here from Silva Engineering Associates on behalf of uh Jason Massie to uh go over 361 R Old Colony Road uh and as is uh our usual
uh if you can share your screen and bring up a plan okay so just to give an idea of where we are um this right here is Old Colony Road you pass the golf course you pass the school um Charly Pond is there on your left you come around here and
we're tucked back here 361 old con Road and to give you a view of what the site looks like now um there's existing driveway that comes in um you have isolated land subject to flooding we get Woods grassed area
existing dwelling on SE and this is kind of the way the drainage docks now comes down kind of sits in here that on heavy stommer vents that kind of overflows and makes its way down here to this other area of concern
and this is sort of what we're proposing um the driveway is still going to act everything is still going to be the same as as far as the use for the existing gring setic and then this is what we're proposing um it's a 22 foot Drive um
Jason who lives here this is his business he basically uh prints paint signs on automobiles and trucks and kind of details them so we proposed um parking lots and need zoning and sight plan requirements and then we had the
roof drainage going to infiltration Chambers and the site drainage going into deep s catch basins drain manholes conveyed to an oil grd separator where it then goes into this detention Basin we infiltrate and then uh big storm
events we have an outfall where it will go back into the land subject to flooding and continue on its way and then to get past the road we put a uh 12in CT which goes into a level spreader
and where we eventually outfall and then this is kind of what we submitted to the town we have our proposed construction entrance our station barrier our luminer clearing and then this is kind of sight
layout kind of not all deled up but more schematically how the parking lays out the travelways um fire Lanes the holding tanks where the septic will be where the existing septic is where the proposed Basin will be and then this is kind of a more
detailed view of everything um as you can see um the parking lot is all serviced by drainage catchment areas the roof is serviced by the infiltration and then uh the drive in um is all curved on
one side and on the other side we provided a stone sale it captures the water eventually where it's all contained that ends up the flooding and eventually out balls across if anyone has any questions we be
more than happy to answer them so this is um I I I mean you have a fairly large number of parking spots that's what planning board requires I mean is this going to be a building with a
substantial number of employees is that the idea um no their their bylaw for parking was open to interpretation we kind of just um we used it for their office requirements kind and warehouse storage but they said basically it's
open to interpretation um basically in the meeting um this isn't going to be a high volume area this is like a very uh it's not like a wholesale retail type of an establishment this is someone who wants to get their painting you know it's like
couple cars a day he's not he's not um turning over a lot of turnover um the people that work down sure it's just like two to five people uh all right so I'll just raise this and because I think it's it's going to be something that other people are
going to ask it appears that ultimately your outflow goes onto another property um um and and I guess the question is to resolve that possibility I'm assuming the system is size so the possibility of
outflow really is remote correct um we we didn't change the outfall um from existing to proposed so be when we analyzed our site
um we determined that the water a storm event will come down it hits the driveway it kind of hits this um the depression and then on heavy events it kind of overflows and comes to this
other depression that's what it does right now and as we proposed it it still does the same exact thing we just added some detours we basically uh adding a lot more impervious obviously so we're capturing it um we're cleaning it and we're
putting in here and then worst case scenario it will all be clean overflow and be exactly what it was before or so follow this path all the way down so the end goal where it ends as it's proposed is the same as existing uh we just added
a few detours and uh a few steps to clean it well I'm assuming that's exactly the issue that peerreview is going to confirm that there will be absolutely no change right we provided them with storm
water report um modeling all that stuff which is curently on a review I believe um comments questions from anyone on the commission including John you may want to
start or not um no I mean I I think you know there's obviously the pur is going to get flushed out um I did receive the check today for that so we'll get that processed um you know my concerns obviously are the potential Vernal pool
habitat and that is one of the criteria that is going to have to get ironed out now I know the Wetland Bist went out there I want to say two or three years ago and assessed and evaluated the wetlands out here um you know I guess it's current conditions that we have to
look at and we're right at the cusp of where Vernal pool season's about to start so you know it might be good to get boots on the ground assessing and evaluating you know the potential uh for wildlife in in these uh three potential
areas um because if they do meet the certified criteria then that puts a damper on um you know a lot of the proposed drainage infrastructure that's out here because of the storm water handbook so uh from my point of view and it's good to know if these are just potential vernal pools versus certified
Ral pools so that's the only comment I really have as as it comes to veral pool habitat so Michael do you have a plan to send a biologist out to investigate week we work we work with Ken who originally uh delated the site and vote
the report um it's just that time of year uh we started doing design in I believe December so we really just had a hope for the best and design it but we're definitely going to have him go out there and confirm just I'm timing
wise we didn't want to delay the project and not um and not have something where we can uh at least get the ball rolling but yeah we have Ken's letter and we have his report and we're going to get him back out there okay can you um go please go to
the existing conditions plan um the one that's marked up or the regular one the one topography on it the one is for some reason is there any reason you're missing Topo or you're missing Contours or spot shots between those two
Wetlands um I would think that was be critical to make sure that those two areas don't connect and I would like to see some Contours in there or spat shots you zoom in I can barely see it yeah sure so these are there's a 1010 110 110
1095 and then it gets on its way here to the 109 1088 so this is kind of the low spot and it's kind like a saddle in here right that's exactly why I would like to see some Topo between those two I you know I don't know if they're
connected because I don't see too yeah you can get some uh definitely some more spot shots in there when we when we uh do a Revis set for sure okay um and then so you're protecting you're just ringing in the
site with straw Waddles you know up uphill which makes no sense but that's your dime um what I'm concerned about is how you going to protect the ilsf so right now you're going to have sheet flow directly into that ilsf from 117
down to wherever one was that 14 I can't read it 114 right right into there well we we determined that it was non-jurisdictional based off of CMR three uh is it
C 310 um based on the volume it doesn't have enough volume for it to be jurisdictional um and so and all oh sorry go so you're just going to let sediment into it I
mean what if it turns out to be a v f I would like to see um I would like to see some um citation control along that front edge please I mean so you could go out there this this season may not be any viability with that form fo maybe next
year the eggs decide to you know pop doesn't mean that's it it may not be own you know at some point so I I would like to see it protected at least during construction oh for sure yeah we have it surrounded by um po loation barer oh
that's what I can't see it looks like it's right on top of it sorry probably want to offset that a little yeah okay okay I see you have it okay it's really hard to see I'm sorry that's
okay so then as uh during construction or after construction there'll basically be a mound between those two areas yes storm water basin will be there and it'll be stable so my concern was just
construction to yeah right but but in the the installation of the new road requires that that area which is very flat between them will have a major Mound between them then where where the road
is going is that correct yes between the two Wetlands Julian yeah that's that's all built up there because right now it's a yes it's totally flat or there might be very slight uh but then there's going to be a
large well put a hill but let's say it goes from 110 to well four or five feet yep 114 and a half right with a pipe Crossing is so I guess that's the question is the
pipe sizing is is now uh recommended to be what uh is is there a decision on that the cover going underneath the new road so that's okay okay so the challenges
with this is that if this is Vernal pool habitat we don't want to drain that area during Vernal pool season so this is where it becomes important to understand whether these areas um have other habit critical
habitat um and you know ultimately if it does if that ilsf that larger piece of issf is a Vernal pool then we can't we can't have that drain and can have that outlet there going to the other area that's potential ISF because you're
basically disturbing that habitat so this is where it's critical to understand whether these areas are um certifiable for Vernal pool habitat and that's where if they if they aren't and none of them are then for instance this may be an option but basically what you're creating here is you're creating
an ilsf putting in a pipe then going to another issf you're technically creating BBW that's what you're doing because that that that pipe and ends up being an intermittent stream and you're creating two resource areas so that's the only challenge here so just to keep that in the mind
and keep that in the mind of the commission but in the long [Music] term that wouldn't matter because there are no plans to change that area it would just become
BBW yeah but they're creating BB W which is where the Vernal pool would it's almost it's almost like the Chicken and the Egg if they connect those two wetlands and it's in a BBW then it's jurisdictional right
but the water won't necessarily stay there for long periods of time so it may not actually function as a wetland just just to add just to add we we're we're containing um the water in the basin
um we're we we we're not using this as storage and we're primarily using this Basin to maintain the water worst case scenario we have an outfall where it will go on its merry way and because we're rision the section we add this pipe so it can continue go on its way
but it was this invert here let me go down a page um this invert if I zoom in here um we have invert of 110 so it's uh we have
108 1075 1085 so this water is still going to stay here until existing conditions this water wasn't flowing until it hit about 110 um which is what I'll add some more spark rates here 1095 so this water is
still going to stay here this invert is set at 110 it's not going to be able to leave until it gets up high enough worst case scenario which is what it we modeled and what we explained a storm water report so you just brought up an interesting point because right now that
ilsf is receiving Overland flow from 118 right so it's receiving sheet flow so you're effectively going to be putting the Basin there to capture the sheet flow so how is that um area going to continue to
be to uh receive a runoff the cutting off hydrology to it um yeah so um Julian I'd like him to answer it because it's that's how that that's how that entire system is viable it's
receiving runoff in in addition to groundwater but runoff is a big component of it so if he cuts it off and puts the Bas in in and says oh it's you know nothing's going to get there you just cut off hydrology to Potential from well that's what we're going to
determine where where where assuming is not potential verol and we're kind of just uh getting the ball rolling and okay okay back to veral pool I got it we gota wait yeah everything's everything's contingent upon that Vernal pool
unfortunately yeah we we got Ken's report and he he uh he he didn't notice anything when he went in March but obviously was on the right time of year so we have to um he has to go back out there when uh it makes more sense to do so I think it might be a good idea if you went out
here as well because this is there's a lot of things riding on this at this point um I mean I can I can go out there with Ken I'll I'll call Ken and if that's all right with you Mike yeah of course okay I will I will reach out to
Ken and just say when he's uh contacted to go out there just give me a call yeah I mean and he should be going out more than one day right one time he's probably going to go out twice um that's my guess at least Y all right well let
let me go back to the original question if this is truly isolated land subject to flooding uh that's not considered a wetland it doesn't support Wetland species is that a fair
statement are you asking protected under the ACT well yes I'm asking so you have an area that is a low pocket it rains during a thunderstorm and water stays there for a
day and it soaks in and it's gone but there are no Wetland species that grow there it's in other words it transiently floods because of uh rain events uh but it it's not a Vernal pool then it
wouldn't matter if if the rain that goes there trans is interrupted but if it does function as a veral pool then that changes things totally that's exactly what I said Julian thank you for
explaining well I'm clarifying it not for you I'm clarifying it for anybody who's in the audience who might have that as a question and I I'm also want to be sure that I have it absolutely clear because this is not our usual
question before us this has a well what if and we don't have the answer to the what if and I just want to be clear when the answer come is comes in um that everybody is absolutely clear I will
confirm Julian that isolated land subject to flooding does not need to have Wetland plants or hydrology it's just based on Contours and topography um and if you need more context on it I can't explain to you the way that it's calculated but it's in the
310 CMR no I understand that but if it does land plants if if it does have Wetland plants then it's not isolated land subject to flooding is that correct no it is still it's still considered isolated land subject flooding we don't
regulate isolated Wetlands yeah iws but that's more to the point of is there a connection to that next one which is why I need some toppo right now those are just in a vacuum and those you should should have proven that that those two were connected with your too
at some point it's just blank so I think that's really important okay so all things wait until the peepers come or don't come um can we bring up the siment control
sure Joe there anything you need on let me know yeah I think we just have an issue with the design here with the staking going right through it yep yeah you you want it off center yeah that
would be awesome yeah they're not just so you know Michael in the business now we're not we're not putting Stakes through them because they become compromised as soon as you drive the stake through them so it should be bled up against either 45 degree on either side or one side of the other
okay we'll Joe uh I think uh any further questions or discussion if not it sounds like we need a motion for continuation not no question my name is
Michael McHugh uh I am the property owner at 357 Old Colony right at the bottom of the screen where that second is LF as you're referring to it as i' like to clarify for the record I'm a proponent of the uh the project and and
Mr Macy and his representative Mr Edwards um I can uh speak to some of what you're discussing though with the the grade of the land and and where the water goes and Julian I appreciate your explanation if not for anything else other than uh identifying everything
that was being discussed so thank you for explaining that if the water does fill up in a in a rainstorm just as you described Julian in your explanation and then it dissipates um where the peepers were Miss Lisa were on the other side of
my property which was Disturbed two years ago uh so I just I'm looking essentially not for anything from Mr Edwards or Mr Macy the applicant but from this group this body uh to make a commitment that it's not going going to alter it the way that it was for the
previous one that you authorized because the the Wetland area is now gone on the other side of me the peepers are gone on the other side of me and the water immediately flooded onto my property uh my wife and I both communicated this to
conservation they had been out to look at the property so I ultimately want a commitment from this body that uh something similar to that effect is not going to happen again uh just clarify me for me or someone can
just point out exactly where you are directly above the seal uh on the whole bottom side of that property and so that second small area is partially on your property yep and it used to flow on this
map here uh Southeast directly across my property to right up against 123 Old Colony Road okay um well the part of the core um requirements of the wamp
protection act is that a project does not alter flow onto other people's property I've I've read it many times sir which is why I'm here tonight of what happened the last time so all right very good um any further questions or
discussion but uh I'm assuming the continuation would be for March 24th is that correct Michael um yes anyone want to offer
a motion sorry Mikel mugh did we answer your question no ma'am okay I didn't think so so the dve of the peer Reviewer is to make sure this plan meets the storm Massachusetts D stormw water stand
standards the the commission cannot guarantee anything we don't guarantee anything we just have to make sure the plan that's what our peerreview is going to do meets the the regulation that's the best we can do we can't guarantee anything we we just
administer the law to make sure they're meeting the law and meeting the standards so that's why we have to so the PE that's stamping this is basically certifying and saying it meets the standards and then we have a peer review and independent third party review the
package to make sure that the storm water design meets the state standards so I don't know what happened with that other project but that's the process for everything that comes before us I I appreciate the response thank you
yeah and just to to restate or emphasize maybe overemphasize the standards are intended to work so I would I would um agree with Lisa I don't know why if it was correctly designed that it did
not perform as expected that's certainly not Our intention understandable they can appreciate the uh the ask on that as well uh any further questions or
discussion if not we can consider a motion to continue to March 24th so moved thank you uh we have a motion by Joe and seconded by second
Paxton so T Lisa and Joe how do you vote hi hi I and um did we lose Dan so Paxton did I ask you how how your vote was or who did I
miss no uh so I that's my vote but we did lose Dan I believe yeah all right and I'll throw in an eye so the motion carries and uh
where can you hear me Michael Edwards guess this is Dan uh can you hear me we can okay that's an I then I've joined my phone have low bandwidth
okay very good all right we'll register you other than I um so just so the commission's aware sorry um I remember meeting with Mr Mr McHugh out at his property um he had some flooding concerns uh this was in relationship to
the um construction that was for the warehouse building um along Old Colony I don't have the plans on me um but uh there was some concerns during our the heavy rainstorms that we had previously so I met with him and uh you know we
tried to address some situations and I will work with him and also work with the landowner make sure that we can resolve this matter appropriately just quick question was that on the other side of the road or was that on no so it's it's actually Mr is kind of sandwiched in between the
road and this other property so he's in he's basically in the middle um and the concerns were the flooding going from the um the Massi property going all the way down to 123 and unfortunately I think they I think the highway did some drainage work
activities but it's Mass doot but um I will work with Michael and also Michael on this one the two Michaels all right sounds good our next item on the agenda is uh
we're finished with public hearings and we have a request for certificate of compliance file number 250-1033 which is the rebuild of Route
123 of um yes Route 123 from Elm Street to the 495 interchange and um so it's your understanding pretty much everything is suitable for complete certificate of
compliance yes for masto mot project yes all right um any questions it's kind of a big long stretch yeah that we've
witnessed over the last year um and there any questions or comments we can consider a um a motion to issue a full C I'll take I'll make the motion second we have a motion made by
thas seconded by Dan uh T Lisa and Dan how do you vote I Iain and Joe and Paxton How do you vote I I think I have to abstain on this one okay I'll throw in an eye I think
the motion carries with two exensions and we have um request for an amendment 360 South Worster Street um conditions for trial number 250- 1143 I think it
is the same as our St with the exception of uh item six of findings has been altered and identified as an
amendment the change in use in the new plan will be recorded with the um Amendment order okay um I'll make a motion to accept the amended order for 250-1 143 as written
second we have a motion by Lisa seconded by Paxton T Lisa and Dan how do you vote hi hi hi and Paxton and Joe hi hi
and I'll vote a not I'll vote a not I'll vote an I um motion carries and um that is the end of my agenda any further questions
comments it's a sad day to be a Bruins fan though was there any update or iners change to um no not as as of right now I mean
our next meeting is the 24th so the deadline is the 31st so we have one more meeting that we can have virtually and if the governor doesn't release any sort of update then we have to at least have one
inperson meeting um to start maybe after that people will you know want the virtual again I don't know um but we'll see I I I find like we had this conversation I find virtual meetings to be great um you know especially for me
having a young one it's great for me to be able to um you know go tend to him before he goes to bed so it's it's nice to have that luxury um but for others you know obviously you know I leave it up to you guys if you guys want to start meeting in person you know I'm more than
happy to do so it's nice to have three screens too oh that that's true I have two at home so it's nice they're waiting till very last moment I think it was the day the day
um it was the day uh before the uh deadline and they um they said that we're extending it so unfortunately we already posted the agenda that the week before but yeah I
think I think they've got a full plate oh they definitely do the kind of uh fiscal disruptions that are being thrown at everybody I I mean the central question is uh we have the open meeting law
intended to give the public access to participate and voice their concerns or the recommendations Etc and and the Really the question is how is that meant better uh By A system that where people
can log in from home and be immediately part of the meeting or you know have to go uh an uncertain distance at Great inconvenience uh well I I shouldn't say great in at some
inconvenience and um and I think you know an issue that Lisa has before the the Consultants can uh participate in more processes more more easily uh which also allows
information to be brought uh to the public more easily so I'm definitely in favor of continuing the zoom meetings because I think it's is more effective for both the citizenry
and uh the applicants but uh whatever the governor says we have to do I'll do yeah I can't speak as being a consultant but I know that Lisa definitely can uh say that it's nice having the luxury of being able to go to multiple meetings in one evening
right well yeah not not only that it saves your client hundreds if not thousands of dollars just in travel especially if it's you know somewhere west or north of the city it's you got to prep for hours um and then I think
the other thing is it it's so much easier to read the plan on the screen I mean do you remember Julian sitting back and the and the easel would be you know 40 feet away the public didn't know what they were looking at you couldn't even see the plan so it was really difficult to
see the only time that they could see the plan is when it was projected right right or we passed out copies yeah y so all right we wait see well if we were if we were to just continue to do
Zoom until we're told we can't perhaps that's yeah I mean that's that's really my thought process moving forward is to continue doing Zoom until they make a a motion that they that we can no longer do it um but I also need to also be legally responsible and make
sure that we can continue to have the open meeting law and the agenda correctly posted so um I don't want to have any conflictions um we already had that already happen in town hall and so I we don't want that to happen so for us John what would happen if we did it
as a hybrid as a hybrid I mean there are so many boards currently that do it as a hybrid um I think the planning board and the select board do a hybrid model right now would that still protect the open
meeting law for us uh from my standpoint I mean we could have a hybrid as of right now because the planning board and they don't say that you can't do a hybrid um but they also say that you don't don't you can't not do just zoom
so um but if they say that a hybrid is the only option then that's the option that we have to select is because I think that having that option as a hybrid would be more appropriate than than not having it um so I mean so let
we do draw draws to see who goes in I mean my vot my vote goes to uh um Megan Megan sorry Megan just one second I don't know if that's [Music]
fair I guess we could rotate I guess that's fair fair enough we did we did reserve the crane room the uh large conference room uh in case uh that Monday night uh following
the 24th in case uh the governor says everybody has to start meeting in person so and I assume that room has you know a TV that we can scen has two
projectors yes drop down very big like a big Cinema so basically you could have the consultant's remote and they and it would still be accessible to both people in the room
and the people on on the screen yeah correct that's what these I think the select board and uh planning board do now we have the technology yeah I'm only a mile away from from town hall so I'll be glad to
go in as the the air traffic controller but um I I'm going to need a a copilot Megan yeah I'm I'm probably the closest
to town hall so I guess I can do it that's not the next meeting that's the meeting up it's gonna be yeah all right that's all I have this evening for you have a good evening all right
everybody have a good night everyone good night take care