Good evening everybody. It is Monday, November 24th, 6:30 p.m. This is the regularly scheduled uh meeting for North Conservation Commission and it is a hybrid meeting
with the in-person taking place in the Wakana room at Town Hall and the remote is on Zoom. Uh participants tonight so far are uh
myself, Julian Kades, uh Joe Carvalo, Dan Pearson, uh Courtney Miller, and I think I got everybody. And we have uh John Thomas and Megan.
>> Who? Who? Uh >> Lisa just joined. Okay. So, we also have Lisa Corrosa, vice chair. Um, first item on the agenda is minutes of
November 10th. Uh, I didn't have any comments on the minutes. Anybody else find anything that needs to uh be corrected or added? >> Uh, yes. Just a very minor thing. uh for
files 250-1191 and 1192. Um there are some uh elevations and we all know what they mean when it says uh the plans currently show 103 for example
or elevation 103.07 but you might just indicate one way or the other that those are are feet. >> Okay. uh 103 ft. I mean, as I say, it's it's we we will all know what it means
anyway, but uh just for the sake of um >> And you said that's um 1192 and 1191. >> Correct. Yes. >> Okay. >> Those are the only ones I saw. >> All right. Uh anybody else?
Uh if if not, we can consider a motion to accept the minutes as uh corrected. >> I'll make that motion. >> Second. >> We have a motion by Dan, seconded by
Lisa. Roll call vote. Joe, Dan, and Courtney. How do you vote? >> Outstanding. Hi. >> I didn't attend that meeting. So, >> I think Yeah, I think we we don't have a
>> quorum >> for this. So, unfortunately, we're going to have to table it until we have more members who attended. >> Um, next item is discussion of violations and in progress. We have uh
>> Mark's here, by the way. Do we want to hold up? Wait a second. >> Oh, Mark is here. >> Yeah, he just joined. Um I don't think that would quite give us Oh, wait a second. We have a full board
right now. >> Yeah. All right. So, uh Mark, uh can you hear us? >> I can hear you. Sorry, I'm having some technical issues on my side when I'm here. >> Um, we just discussed the minutes of
November 10th. Um, did you have any comments or additions or corrections? >> No corrections. >> You are the fourth vote for that particular item. So, um, we did have
some minor corrections of, uh, elevations having having had added the dimensions of feet in a couple of spots. Um, but other than that, they were a motion was made uh by Dan and seconded
by Lisa uh to approve the minutes as corrected. Would you be willing to vote on that? Yep. I vote I to approve. >> All right. So, going back to that original motion, uh Dan and Lisa, how do
you vote? >> I. >> And I'll vote I and then we'll record Courtney and Joe as extensions since they weren't at that meeting. All right. So, back to uh the item on the table,
which is uh 92 East Main Street. um the um status of of that. >> Yeah. So, Brad Holmes is here tonight. Um I'm going to let him
um I'm going to let him speak on behalf of the status update for 92 East Main Street. >> Brad, you're on. >> Well, thank you members of the commission. Brad Holmes with ECR. On the call this evening is Joe Cari, property owner of 92 East Main Street. If the
commission remembers in 2024, there's an enforcement order for the placement of asphalt millings in the the rear area of the property. We prepared a restoration proposal to address the work, the unpermitted work that was in the riverfront and just outside the just in
a little of the buffer but within the 200t riverfront area last fall. Um the work was completed, the restoration work. We took a look in the spring and it was somewhat sparse from the fall last fall seating. Um Mr. Krenty did
spot receding through the growing season and hand water and um the restoration area is now uh stabilized with loan and seed. So that was what the proposal called out and there has there is and
will be for some time Japanese notweed in and around the area. Mr. Krenty and his crew have been maintaining that and with ongoing cutting within the within and near the restoration area. So, we just wanted to give the commission an update that that work was completed and
has been addressed with stabilization to complete the restoration proposal. Um hopefully we can um close the chapter on this and uh at some point in the future if Mr. Krenty plans to do a future
project, we'll be preparing and submitting a a new notice of intent. So, with that, I'll I'll bring it back to you. >> All right. Um, I don't know. Let me let me address a
question to John. Um, it might be reasonable to wait through the winter and see how the seating grows in the spring. Is that something? >> I I mean, that's definitely an option. I mean, I think the the way that we were taking this was that this was going to
be a friendly enforcement order. So, you know, I guess if the commission and applicant are uh willing to, you know, wait until next spring on that, I mean, that's something, but I know that Mr. Crarante may want to do additional work out there. So, I'll leave it up to uh his
team, Brad and uh Mr. Kanty to speak whether they want this released now or whether this is something that you'd be willing to wait till next spring to actually see make sure that it actually fulfills the two-year monitoring. I'll uh let Joe speak, but um you know,
as far as holding us up to prepare and submit a notice of intent, I think we I don't think that's the case. We could always come to the commission with a notice of intent for future work. Um you know, waiting through the winter and coming back with an update in the spring
is certainly not a problem on my end. Um but I'll ask Joe to uh chime in since he's on the call as well. Good evening. Thank you, Brad. Um, as far as the the growing season, you know, we had limitations on water use and some
other uh issues and when we spot seated, we were able to get a pretty good growth to the point where we're able to mow it back a couple of times. I think Brad might have had some pictures of that as well. We do have really good growth and some firm uh routing rooting there. So,
I'll leave it up to the commission, but um and Brad's recommendation, feel free. I'm I'm free to uh you know, go along with anything that the commission sees fit. >> Uh yeah, from for me it's 61, a half
dozen the other. How about other commission members? Do they have a strong feeling one way or the other? I think as long as they excuse me met their obligation and the site is stable. I don't see a reason to hold it up.
>> All right. I guess uh if that's the case, we can um we need a motion to enforcement. >> So uh we we can entertain a motion to release the enforcement order on 92 East Main Street. >> So moved.
Second. >> Uh motion by Lisa, seconded by Mark. Uh Joe and Dan, how do you vote? >> I >> uh and Courtney, Mark, and Lisa, how do you vote?
>> I >> I >> And I'll throw in an I. So, the motion carries. >> Thank you guys. >> Thank you all very much. >> All right. I'll have that I'll have that drafted up and sent over to you guys. Okay. >> All right. Thank you very much, John. You're welcome. Thanks for your help on this project.
>> Mhm. >> Uh, next item on the agenda is 181 West Main Street. Uh, a violation uh in process. Uh, do we have a representative for that project or is there significant
progress? >> Hello, my name is Sophia and I'm a welding scientist with Card Consulting. I'm representing the property owner with for the violation of this. Uh would I be able to share my screen for the chair?
>> You're all set, Sophie. >> You able to see my screen? >> We can. >> Yes. >> Uh so just to provide an update. So, we visited the site last Thursday, November 20th. Uh, we delineated the resource
areas on site. Uh, we delineated a perennial stream located to the east of the site and extending off site to the north. This cast a 200t riverfront area onto the entirety of the site, which is shown in this red line here as the
bounds of that riverfront area. We also delineated a bordering vegetated wetland which starts to the northeast of the property and extends across the north of the property to the southwest offsite. Uh this bordering vegetated wetland cast
a 100t buffer zone and the policy 25 ft uh no alteration zone on the site. So these flies were surveyed the same day, November 20th, last Thursday and added to the plans as well as the 200 foot riverfront area. Uh we had also
submitted a checklist as well which I'll bring up. Uh just to outline the sequence of next steps for mitigation and restoration uh within both the riverfront area and the buffer zone. Um so I'll just run through
that checklist real quick for the commission. So the first item was to conduct a site visit and document the impact extent within the roadront area through photographs as well as eliminate the perennial stream and wetland on site. So as mentioned before that was
completed last week and a wetland border report documenting the delineation was also submitted with this checklist. So the second item was to update the existing conditions plan which I had just shown previously with the
delineated resource areas. The flags were surveyed same day as mentioned and the plan was updated and submitted to the commission on the 21st last Friday. So those two items have been completed. The next step is for us to quantify the
extent of impacts within the riverfront area and the buffer zone for mitigation restoration. Uh following that, we would conduct a riverfront area regulatory analysis to document the existing conditions and extent of impact within the riverfront
area as well as compliance with the riverfront area mitigation performance standards. Um and this will be completed in congruence with the riverfront area and buffer zone mitigation and restoration plans. Um this these will both be submitted to
the commission and we will seek approval for the restoration mitigation plans then facilitate restoration and mitigation following approval. Then following the restoration and mitigation uh implementation, we'll then monitor the planting areas uh
for two growing seasons following uh the planting and document um the stabilization survival plantings with monitoring reports to the commission. Um so I think that covers it. I'd be happy to discuss this further with the
commission answer any questions at this point. Um, has there been any discussion of uh repairing the subject system or is the subject system meeting
uh code? Now >> the >> uh Sophie, do you want to answer that or this is Jack Kely? I'm uh the attorney for Harry and uh we are we have determined uh that it does need uh not
meet uh current code compliance and we're uh trying to arrange for a meeting uh after beginning on Monday uh with the board of health and uh discussion about replacing and up uh upgrading the septic
system. But I've not had that meeting yet. >> Okay. I I'm just trying to figure we're going to have a uh proposal to um deal with the violation, but then you you you have a project that needs to
be done. So, um I I don't know if it's feasible to wrap things together or or not, but um >> I think that if we are to uh upgrade our system, um we would be making a a
separate and distinct filing. At the current time, we're trying to address uh with Sophie and Goddard uh consulting. We're trying to address the violation. Uh and then uh we'll file a notice of
intent uh for the uh construction of a septic system. >> All right. >> I I believe that would be the probably uh best way to approach this. Would you agree, Sophie? >> I would agree with that.
>> All right. uh question >> and with that decision uh as to um that that'll be made before your meeting. I don't know if we could have the design uh before your next meeting. Um but the
decision about going forward uh with the septic system will definitely uh have been made by your next meeting which is uh December >> 8. This December 8th. Yeah. >> 8th. December 8th.
>> Yeah. >> Yep. >> All right. Other questions from commission members. >> Um Yeah. So, uh well, I appreciate what you've done to date. Can you uh we need to look at that list again to see your
next milestones. So, you have a whole host of things that you still owe us. So, can we have to start assigning deadlines, I think. So when can we expect everything else? Well, at least the quantification of the
riverfront um the analysis uh I guess the next one, two, three, four bullets. >> Absolutely. So I believe by um December 8th, that's the next meeting. Uh we can
have the quantification of impacts. Um we'll do some work sorting out that uh those numbers and the extent of impacts and uh potentially um the mitigation restoration plan at least a draft of it to show the commission we're working
towards it. >> Okay. So John I guess uh and they want to put them on the next agenda then for that deliverable. >> Yes. >> Thank you. So if you I would it be feasible to
perhaps come prepared to the next meeting with a generalized timeline for all of these bullets with the understanding just for all of us to review together. I think that might be helpful. >> Yeah, absolutely. I can provide that.
>> Yes. And I'll u endeavor to meet with Sophie and Yes. So, we want timeline next meeting. >> All right. Any other questions from commission members? All right. So, uh we'll expect your
uh additional information next time. >> Absolutely. Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. Uh so next uh we only have one request for um
continuing a public hearing. Is that correct? >> Yes. >> Uh so and they requested um the next meeting. >> Yes. To December 8th. >> All right. So, uh, we have a request for file number 250-1191
of Ray Lane, um, requesting a continuation until December 8th. >> So, moved. >> Uh, so we have Dan with the motion, Lisa with the second, Dan, Courtney, and
Mark. How do you vote? I I >> I >> uh Lisa and John >> I >> and I'll throw in an I. The motion carries. Um
so next on the agenda is um update of 376 Old Colony uh for the restoration. >> Yeah. So, I met with Ken Thompson um last week uh at Steve's property and the
mitigation areas are in uh they're fully stabilized for the winter, but he has a grand vision of what he would like to do in the future. And I told him that well, I need basically Ken to uh button up a lot of this mitigation aspect for this
project. And obviously the monitoring side of things still needs to occur. I said if you want to lump it into potentially a notice of intent in the future, that's something you can address to the conservation commission. So I told them basically that if they have a vision on what they want to do on the
property in the future, they should come in with a notice of intent as a discussion item. Uh basically show us what they're looking to do and then talk to us of kind of what the status is of the mitigation um side of things is at that time. Um, I don't know when that's
going to come in because this has been going on for the last couple years. Um, so it could be two years out and the mitigation will be done, but it could be next week, it could be 3 months from now. I don't know. So, at this point, um, basically we're just waiting for the
applicant to get their idea for what they want to do uh, in the future with the property. >> All right. Um, I assume there's no representative. No, that was more so me advising the commission as to what the status is of the property.
>> All right, fair enough. And any other items on under department updates? >> Um, we've we received a couple new projects uh that came in um and we will be seeing those for the next meeting.
>> All right. Uh the next item, maybe you can explain it. Vote to update authorized web ink signatures for all members. Yes. So basically what it is is whenever the um commission is reorganized, we get new members, we lose
members. The town likes to have the their wedding signature on file in case they have to sign a bill. Um >> okay. and we've done it in the past and I'd also want us to revote on the signing members. So Dan is our current
primary signer and our backup is Lisa. So whether that needs to change or whether we just revote for the same people um it's just more administrative stuff >> and we need to take that vote tonight or >> we can do it whenever. I mean it could
be tonight, it could be next meeting. Since we're talking about it right now, I say that we just do it. >> Well, okay. Uh, so we would formulate a motion u to have um Dan Pearson
sign be authorized to sign for the commission with Lisa Prosa as a secondary authorization. >> Yes. How's that for a motion? >> I will move that motion. Excellent.
>> Works for me. >> I'll I'll second it. >> All right. Motion by Lisa, seconded by Dan, uh Dan, Courtney, and Mark. How do you vote? >> I >> I >> I >> and Lisa and Joe.
>> I I >> And I'll throw in a nine. Motion carries. So for that, I would just need all members at some point in the next month to come into the office to just put down your wedding signature so I can submit it.
>> Okay. You'll provide the wedding. >> Yes, I will. >> All right. There we go. Um so uh we now have um continued public hearings coming up. File number 250-1192.
As I understand it, we have all the information. This was kept open uh because the amount of time between our last meeting. Oh, actually this this was within the window. So um but we can now um
close the hearing and then we'll do the order of conditions subsequently. So, we need a motion to um close file number the hearing for file number 250-1192. >> So, moved. >> Second.
>> We have a motion by Mark, second by Lisa, Dan, Courtney, and Mark. How do you vote? >> I >> I >> I. >> And Lisa and Joe. >> Hi. >> Hi. and I'll throw it on. That motion
carries. Um, we have next on the agenda, file number 250-118865 Hill Street. We do have a draft order of conditions. And once again, I believe all the information was provided
uh to now be able to close this hearing. Do I have a motion? Um before we entertain a motion, Sean, did they talk about the s the uh drain easement? >> Yes, there was a revision to the plan
that they submitted and it was also a condition that's in the draft order which I basically requested that they put together. Um so if you look at the draft order, uh you'll see that it will be conditioned in the deed. I did request
that. But the draft the draft easement the actual physical drainage easement is on the plans the revised plans. >> So is it going to be a town maintained drain line? >> No, it's going to be a split ownership
between both um residents. They're going to be responsible for maintaining that. >> Okay. Um, oh for so so they had dropped the easement for sharing that responsibility. That's why because otherwise you wouldn't have needed the easement. Okay.
>> Correct. Correct. >> Okay. >> All right. We can consider closing this hearing. So moved. >> Second. >> Uh motion by Lisa, seconded by Mark,
Dan, Courtourtney, and Mark. How do you vote? >> I >> I >> I. >> Lisa and Joe, >> I I >> I'll throw in an I. Motion carries.
And we have file number 250-1190, which is a carbon copy of our last hearing. Um, uh, any comments? If not, we can consider a motion.
>> So moved. >> Second. >> Motion by Lisa, seconded by Mark, Dan, Courtourtney, and Mark. How do you vote? I Hi. >> Um,
Courtney, did you throw in an I or something like that? >> I did. Yes. >> It flew right by me. All right, we have an I and Lisa and Joe. >> I >> I >> Okay, I'll throw in an I. >> Um, so we're now into our new public
hearings. Uh, first one does not have a file number 13 Downing Drive. Um, relatively small project. Do we have a representative of the applicant? >> Good evening, Craig Sigowski, Room
Engineering. >> You probably can share screens. Uh, Craig, >> is that on your screen? Uh, it's coming. There it is. >> Okay. So, 13 Downey Drive. The owner is Chris
Donald. >> Sorry. Craig, can you just speak up a little? >> Hold on a second. >> Sure. >> The Freements, Craig. The Freements. So Donald representing Donald and
Kristen the Freeman 13 drive down drive they purchased a lot in 2021 and the backyard was as it is today with the existing patio fire pit sitting on it here and some uh concrete pads in the
backyard with a driveway that comes down from Downing Drive to the rear of the property. We have a uh bordering vegetated wetlands along the back of the lot that we flagged up. There was also a 100year flood plane in
here uh elevation 74. We found the wetlands to be around 76. So we're not working in the flood plane. And they would like to put in this uh inground pool with a stamped concrete patio.
It's about 1,590 square feet uh of additional impervious uh minimal grading. The yard is at 86 here and we'll just step it up to 87 around the pool. Water will flow at a
quarter inch per foot across the patio. um small connecting to the walkway that already exists behind the house connecting to the driveway and the existing deck and patio area. So it'll be a small retaining wall along the back
of the pool to uh the land behind is a little bit higher be around 90 90 and a half at that point. So about a 2 and 1/2 ft retaining wall. So we are calling they they already have a fence that encompasses the rear yard
and the rest is woodland. So there will be no clearing of trees or additional clearing in order to put the pool in. So we are calling for conservation signs to be placed around the 25 ft. We are working at the limit of work is at 25.4
ft and the patio being at 33.2. I mean I'm sorry. Yeah, should be the p uh patio is around 30 ft with the pool at 33.2. That is uh what they're looking to do. If you have any questions on that or
comments. >> Um so Craig, I just need a little bit of clarification. There is or is not a pool there now? >> There is not a pool. >> Okay. So, so it's not really a replacement then. um
>> not show that in uh what was published but that wasn't the intent is to yeah there is no pool there today. >> Okay. >> All right. Uh any questions from members of the commission.
>> I just had a quick one. Um says existing vent note. What does the note say? Yeah. I assume you're going to access this from the driveway side. >> Yes. Access for the construction would be from the driveway. The the note about the pool uh the pool fence is that if
the fence is not 48 in tall with opening uh outward opening gate, self-closing, self latching, then it has to be replaced to meet pool code. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Welcome.
>> So I'm assuming the pool is going to go significantly into the groundwater into the water table. Is that correct? I believe it's a 6ft deep pool at the deep end. So if groundwater is at the wetlands
level at 78, pools at 87 80 a little bit higher than ground than the wetland. It's going to be nice ground water will be. >> The pool installer is going to do some test pits. um they're going to do some
exploratory testing to see what groundwater levels are and you know they're going to take a look to see if they can get cool in it at that elevation that they're proposing it. Um that would probably be the first thing they'd want to do an assessment on before, you know, figuring this out. But
um Craig, you know, I find it interesting. I mean, for this plan, I guess my question is, um the edge of woods you said was was on the on the plan, but I don't see it. Is that beyond the fence? Is that what that is? Yeah, I was just saying that beyond the fence is
well other than little pads that go to these concrete pads that were replaced by the previous owner. >> Right. Right. And there's some lawn back there, too. So, I would just make sure to to put the uh put the uh nomature on the plan showing that stuff.
>> Okay. Can add that. Obviously, we don't have a file number at this time. No, but I mean when once the final number comes in >> because it it helps a lot with us, you know, figuring out the sensitivity and figuring out what the um environmental restrictions and constraints are going
to be. >> Okay. >> Where is there a planned location for storage of the coal chemicals? >> Uh the actual chemicals, I do not know that question.
Okay. I mean, I just from my perspective, it would be nice to nice to know that if it's going to be in the existing shed or if they've they've thought about is it going to be within the constraints of the the pool area, the concrete patio. I
just see, you know, someone spills chemicals and then the runoff ends up somewhere that we don't want it to. Um, that would be my main concern. I'll get that information and add it to the plan. >> I have a question, Craig.
>> Between the no work zone and the rear of the stamp concrete pad, how much space is in there? >> Back in that area, >> the pool to the patio is about 4 feet. Then another 4 ft to the 25 ft where the center controls will be
about 4 ft. >> About 4T. Thank you. >> Uh if there are no further questions from the commission, uh we can open it up to questions from anybody in the meeting.
Uh you can do that couple ways. You can go to the uh I guess it's the reactions button and there's a raise your hand option. Yes. Or you can take your mic off mute and ask
your question if you identify yourself. So we don't have a a number so we will have to continue it. and we do want that additional information about the storage of the pool chemicals. So, our next meeting is
on December 8th. I assume uh Craig, it'll be fine to continue until December 8th. >> That would be uh what we would like. Thank you. >> I'll make a motion to continue the public hearing for 13 Downing Drive to
the December 8th meeting. Second. >> Um, so we have a motion by Lisa, seconded by Dan. Um, Joe, Lisa, and Mark. How do you vote?
>> I >> I >> I >> and Courtney and those are additional members. Um, Mark, >> did we get Dan? >> Dan.
>> Uh, I think I think we got Well, who I meant. Did I get you, Mark? >> Yes. >> All right. And Dan. And we have a check mark with Dan. The only one we're missing is Courtney. I didn't hear a vote. >> Yay.
>> Okay. And I'll throw in an I. So, the motion carries. This hearing is continued until December 8th. Uh, and our next hearing also does not have a um
file number. It is for 378 Old Colony Road uh concerning a repair of a septic system. Do we have a representative of the applicant? >> Good. Good evening. Mark Mariano with
Oakill Engineering, 368 ft of view for Mass and I'm representing elevator properties uh for a septic replacement within 100 ft of a vegetated wetlands and in a uh endangered species zone um at 368 378
Old Colony Road. >> So Mark, if you could just uh enlarge that a little bit. It's >> Sure. Yeah, I'll be zooming in. Thank So um this property um this
building was built late 40s early 50s um and currently serviced by a cess poolool which is no longer compliant. Uh the property itself is surrounded by wetlands vegetated wetlands. The 100t buffer extends all the way to the property line. So the entire property is
found within jurisdictional area. This area is also found uh within a priority habitat zone. Um we're still waiting for a letter from uh Nishap which uh we're about 3 weeks in. So we'll be seeing something next week and we'll have it
for the next meeting. Um there's really only a certain number of positions we can put this septic on the site. Uh the current cess pool is found in the rear here. Uh, and what we're doing is, uh, putting in a septic tank, pump chamber, and
pumping up to a snowed pipe field found between these two buildings. Uh, it was kind of the only area on site. Uh, well, first off, a couple factors. One, we we kept it outside the 50ft buffer, uh, per title 5 requirements. Two, this was
virgin material. Um, most of the rest of the site is historical fill. Um, so it kind of nestled it into this one area uh of the property. Um, a couple other things that are going on in the site. Uh, John and I had met before I submitted cuz I wanted to go over all
the stuff that we were finding on site uh to make sure everything was incorporated and have a brief discussion. Um, so we have uh some steel in the in the in the back of the uh property which can be hand removed. Uh, there's a historical car right here that
can be removed. Uh there's an old box right here that can be removed. All the stuff found within the 25 ft buffer. Um there's some steel uh that could be hand removed found in this area. Uh then there's this container box. Um it's like
an old uh container box like a like a it's like 20 by 8 metal box. Um there's some old staging and steel found inside of it, but it's found within jurisdictional area. Uh so what we're uh telling them to do in this case is to
remove all the steel by hand. Uh the box is in very poor condition. Um so the best way to remove this is to cut it up in place and remove it. And then um then following the removal um to have it reseeded uh within the
line area of the wetland mix by New England products, New England wetland plants. Uh but the entire site will be uh have uh sedimentation controls found around it. Uh we have it found here and then at the top of the wall we also did
establish it there. Um a lot of this stuff found here in the rear is going to have to be cleaned up by hand. Um and obviously in this area this will be where where the septic's being put in. Uh we did have good
materials as far as uh perk testing. Uh it was gravel water table was found at 5 ft, but in the location that we were perking was kind of a perched. It was kind of a a mounted area. So that's why we still needed a pump. >> All right. You ready for questions?
Uh any questions from the commission? I have a couple. Um where are the site storage sites? Oh, sorry. Site storage areas on site or is everything being done out of a truck or
>> are you talking about on-site stockpiling? >> On-site stockpiling of materials. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, most of this will have to be trucked in and trucked out. Uh, but if there were to be an area of stocking, I would assume it would be put right here behind inside the sedimentation control
areas. There's not a lot. Um, but um they're kind of cutting down like like a like a hump. Um, and then, you know, they may need a little bit of title 5 uh sand, but most of it is, uh, stone that has to be double washed and brought in,
and then they'll pick it up out of the truck. As far as most stock pile, you probably see it when they're putting the tanks in. So, they'll they can put it in the cuz this is a just a a stone a crush stone driveway. They're going to be hollowing
this up, too. So, they can put stuff on there as well. And will that be brought back into gravel or is that being impervious surface once complete? >> So right now um I say gravel but it's actually like crushed stone but yeah that that surface
will will likely remain. Um the tank itself right here is an H20 tank. Um, so they'll they'll just put another layer of crushed stone on top and no barking or anything on top of tank or >> Well, they can bark on this one. This
one will be H20. >> That's H20. >> All right. Thank you. >> Actually, both tanks are uh loaded for H20. >> Anybody else? It's not so much the parking, but if they ever get an oil delivery or something like that,
>> did I understand correctly that there was going to be double washed stone involved? And >> yeah, so when they for the se for the septic system, the stone that they use in the field, they wash that at the um at the facility. They don't do that on site.
>> Okay. >> Okay. That was my next question. Thank you. Uh if there are no further questions from commission members, we can open it up to the whole meeting. And if there are no questions from anyone
um we don't have a number so we have to consider a uh to continue until December 8th. Uh and it it seems that we have all the information we need Mark.
So probably we will assuming there's a number close and issue the uh order at that time. >> Okay, sounds good. I'll make a motion to continue the public hearing for 378 Colony Road to the December 8th public
hearing. >> Second. All right, we have a motion by Lisa, seconded by Dan, uh Joe, Dan, and Mark. How do you vote? >> I >> I
>> And um Lisa, and Courtney, >> I I >> And I'll throw in a motion carries. So, uh I Mark, I don't know if you'll have to attend. you you can check with uh with the office.
>> All right, I'll check it. Thank you. Have a good Thanksg. >> Thank you. >> You too. >> Uh we have a certificate of compliance. Two certificates of compliance coming up. File number 250-1129 which is um
this is not a completed project, is it? >> No. No. This is the one that I was just talking to you about was the one where they're closing the project because they're coming back in front with a different design. So this one is more so a certificate of compliance certifying that no work has
been done on the property to date >> and that's we just said we need to close it out that way. >> So we're issuing is issuing a COC with the note being no work was was done on the >> was performed for the project. Yes. And and the
>> there's a box to check for that form. >> Yes. Okay. So, I'll make a motion to issue a full COC for file 250-1129. >> Second. >> Uh, so we have a motion by Lisa, seconded by Joe. Uh, so Joe, Dan, and
Mark, how do you vote? >> I I >> And uh, Lisa and Courtney, how do you vote? I I >> and I'll throw in an I. The motion carries. Uh next is um
similar to 50 1130. Um again, um a COC. >> John, what was the reason there were two on this one? >> So they did it for lot C and D. Um and
that was the this one one was 24 unit complex uh apartment complex. The other one was a 24 unit complex and they they decided to file two separate notice of attempts for both the lots C and D. >> Okay.
Um so I'll make a motion to issue the full COC for 250-11. >> Second. >> Uh motion by Lisa seconded by Joe. Uh Joe and Dan, how do you vote? >> I
>> I >> and Mark, Lisa, and Courtney, how do you vote? >> I >> I >> I >> And I'll throw in an I. The motion carries. We are now up. Thank you. >> Have a great day.
>> Have a nice holiday. >> Oh, yeah. Happy Thanksgiving. So we are now up to uh three orders of conditions. Um first one is 10 Robinson Lane file
number 250-1192. Uh it has uh one um so I'm not sure why this is highlighted in yellow because all of these are unique, right? All the findings are unique.
>> The one in yellow on the first page. >> Yeah. >> Cuz it's explaining what the project is about. That's going to change for every project, >> right? So, I want to make sure that you guys look at it because it's ch it's not a template. It's it's basically cuz I make mistakes. I'm not going to say that
I don't make mistakes. I just want to make sure that um you guys are okay with it being issued by the conservation commission the way it's written. So, all right. And then everything else appears to be um the same as what we usually issue.
There's no unique stuff elsewhere. >> Yeah. with it. This is the the template that I use for all single family and duplex projects. >> So, any questions on the submitted draft? >> If not, we can consider a motion to
accept the draft as submitted. >> Motion. >> Second. >> We have a motion by Courtney, seconded by Lisa. So, uh, Courtney, Mark, and Lisa, how do you vote? >> I
>> I >> and Dan and Joe. >> I I >> And I'll throw in an I. The motion carries. And then we have a pair
63 and 65 Hill Street. um their unique components I believe are identical in each
um both on page one as well as page five. So I don't know if we want to do these separately or >> we'll have to do them separately. Yeah. So, so any comments on either one?
They're both identical. Um, I think they're both identical. >> Identic. >> Yeah, they should both talk about the drain easement because they're both going to share responsibility for it. >> Yeah. Uh questions
about the graph. >> So what what what is the deal with the drainage easement? It just says it shall be established. But >> what's >> Go ahead, Cory.
Do you want me Do you explain the easement uh for you? Yeah, please. >> So, um, on the last discussion, it was brought up as who would be responsible for the drainage easement that they're basically they're going to be creating a drain line that's going to be um bisect
two properties. And it's going to be right between two property boundaries. And the question was is that, you know, obviously a covert that's coming off a major roadway is not under my jurisdiction nor the conservation commission's. It's usually the highway departments. So, I had a discussion with
the highway superintendent and he said that well, it's basically, you know, it should be their responsibility. If they're going to they're going to uh modify it and change the uh covert drainage uh for the purpose to conform to their design, then they should be responsible for managing the storm water
that comes alongside that. Um so in order to do that one of the options would be to have and develop a drainage easement for which both shared ownerships for 65 and 63 would share that responsibility for managing that drainage easement and have shared
custody and responsibility for that drain line. You see, this is kind of unusual because there's a covert um between the two properties that that crosses the street. And what their
proposal is is to put a drainage pipe that extends that drainage of the covert uh what was it about 50 ft or >> about that plus a significant diff distance. So, um, and they want to do
that to give themselves, uh, a better yard, which is an unusual proposal. So, the, um, highway department doesn't necessarily want to be responsible for that that change or that that pipe that
could become uh, obstructed. Um, because it's simply for their design >> benefits. Yeah. And then well they also don't want the liability for it either. Trespassing on private property. That is one of the things that we we stress here in town is you know we will not go
manage um covers or any drain lines on private property. Um you know access onto someone else's private property is frowned upon. You know we need to make sure we get assurances because it it just opens the door for legal aspects afterwards and we don't want that to be a burden for the town. So to kind of get
ahead of the curve here, this was kind of one of the I guess caveats that we suggested was that this would be an alternative that could, you know, a win-win for everybody basically that we don't have to worry about it and the um the town is not going to have to get uh tasked with doing any more additional
work um you know for fixing any sort of culverts which may have not been thought about and I guess uh you know figured out from the get-go. So this was more a preemptive approach. That's what this was. John, do you have the plan you can share with us? I have a couple comments to
clarify. Um, I mean, I remember with attorneys all day um to just clarify this statement number four. Um, >> sure. Let me just uh see if I can pull it up. >> So, yeah, we're saying that they'll be responsible for the management of the
culverted outlet drainage system. I don't know if the average homeowner knows what the heck that means, so we're going to be very explicit here. Um, and I need to see where it ties in. It doesn't tie into the street, right? So, so in other words, I need to see the
limits of for which they're going to be responsible. Does it go into the public way or is it just on the properties? And I need to see a plan. >> How are they going to tie it into that post? >> Anyone? because I can see if that pipe gets
obstructed and they just have a small opening that it's first going to flood all over the place potentially onto the street. >> So I mean I would go so far as to say that pipe is going to be in joint owner. I mean they're both going to own that
pipe and manage it, right? So I think we need to word that a little bit more. Um >> yeah, we can be a little bit more strict strict with that language. That's fine. >> Give me one second. >> So instead of shall be responsible. I I I would say that they will be they will
own that drain line between X and X. We got to define the limits of it. That's why I want to see the plan. >> Yep. I'm pulling it up now. Hold on. Obviously, this is not great. Is that >> No, it's not.
I'm trying to share it, but it's not going to be great. Can you see this plan? Let's see. I'm looking up on the screen right now. Okay. >> Yeah. >> So, >> so even though it's going to be in its entirety on whatever number this is.
>> Yeah. 63. Yeah. Can you you able to blow that up a little bit? Not really that well. >> Okay. >> It's best I can do right now. >> So, even though it's going to be in its entirety except with the exception of the rip wrap outlet, it we're going to
say it's assigned to 63 and 65. Well, I guess I'm just >> Yeah, I guess I guess the question is like here's here's where it becomes, you know, kind of a a issue, right? Is that let's say there's an obstruction at the that the outlet, right? Where where it
crosses under the the roadway, right? Well, okay, who becomes responsible for that one? Okay, it's 63. But then let's say there is some issues that are on 65 over here that are causing an issue. Mhm. >> You know, it's not this land owner's uh
issue anymore. I mean, it becomes this person's issue. So, that's where I'm saying that it has to be joint ownership regardless of this whole system because it's it's basically accommodating the design of this house, but it's also reliefing it onto the other person's
property at some point. So, my question becomes, is that how far do you want to take it with joint ownership responsibilities? You want to say 90% of it's going to be on, you know, 63 Hill Street, which is kind of what we have right here, and the other 10% is on the
other land owner. That's not for me to decide. That's for them to figure it out. Basically, what I'm saying is they need to they need to figure out the details or the owner of the properties needs to figure out the details as to what's fair and equivocal for, you know, making this, you know, I don't know, an
acceptable use for for making this happen. So, do we know the size of this pipe? >> Um, my understanding was this was well, it's a 20 foot wide drainage easement and the pipe size was on the plan. It was a
uh 12 in HDP pipe. >> Okay. So, when we pick it up in the street, John, is that on town property? Whose property is that on? >> Yes. So, this comes from a private developer's property on on across the
street. So, there's a culvert which flows underneath the street here, and it comes from a private developer property on the other side. >> And it's also a 12-in cover. >> Uh, this one over here, I don't I don't remember what the the size dimensions of
the of the um it are over here. I presume it's probably the same to to match the existing um diameter, but I think it's a a metal pipe if I'm not mistaken that goes underneath the street. >> So, does the town retain ownership of
the pipe under the street? >> The town is responsible for the pipe which is within the confinements of the street, >> the rightway, the street right away. So, that's why we have to make it explicit. be a little more descriptive to say that the homeowners of both properties going
to be responsible. >> Uh joint ownership want to say that. >> We should have had their attorney write this up, by the way. Um because that's what usually happens. >> Well, that's doesn't write a description, a legal description for an order conditions. Um but so we have to
be descriptive to say that it will start at the property line at that 63. the property line at 63. It's a 12 inch, you know, RCP located on 63. It'll be um anyway, I think we have to just reward
this though. So, and I think we have to put 12 in drain line on here, right? >> Okay. >> So, the land owners of 63 and 65 Hild Street shall um um have joint ownership, I guess, of the
12 in RC. Uh is it HDP? HD. HDPE from the property line of 63 at Hill Street to wherever it goes in the back to the outlet to the rip wrap outlet on
65 and then easement. So the question is we can ask them there some attorney is going to have to come up with this legal instrument which is the agreement. >> Correct. So, I think we need to ask them
for that prior to uh the close out, right? We we are going to have to have um uh proof of um an easement being recorded at the registry of deeds, >> which is in there. Yes. >> Okay.
>> It's in the It's in the conditions. >> Okay. So, I just think we need to just tweak number four just a bit so that the average homeowner knows what this means. So again, um the land owners um will own, right? >> Right.
>> Will own a 12-in HDP drain line. Um can you do a train? So um I would turn this around. I would not say the town of Norton is not the land owner. I would strike that and I would write the property owners of 63 and 65
Hill Street. is Hill Street will be responsible for upkeep, manage, replacement, repair, whatever it takes, right? Um for storm water management. >> Sounds good to me.
>> Okay. Just trying to make it a little clearer so they understand what they're getting. Oh, >> Megan Megan took those notes. So, let me just um stop sharing the screen. and I will make those changes right now. >> All right. So, we have a a condition
prior to construction about the easement >> or where do we have that condition? >> Trying to find it right now. Give me one second. You talking about u >> were they going to owe us a legal description? A legal document that shows
>> it's under it's on page five um on proposed construction >> uh 37 provides. So I would not say deed language. I would say a uh a copy of the easement
recorded easement and then they can update the plan to show the description of that easement. Somebody will actually the surveyor will actually create the ement. >> Yeah. you know, write it write it up as an easement and then we should get a plan showing that. So,
>> um I don't I was I'm looking at the uh the document that's the attachment a special conditions to 63 Hill. Um and I just want to point out it looks like the page numbers go like two of two, three of two, four of two, five of two. Yeah,
that's >> that's probably a wrinkle in um >> for Google Drive because mine is for whatever reason also came off of Google
uh drive and it's numbered correctly. >> Okay, fair. Um and then I did have a question about site stabilization in materials. So in section G it says all fill must be clean, debris free, devoid of invasive
plants with their parts or seeds. Um how is that guaranteed? like how h how do you make make sure that that is the case if I I feel like that's that's a little vague and maybe needs a more specific
about they have to purchase from a a guarantor for that or some I don't know basically we rely on the contract so the contractor gets a copy of this and you know puts a proposal together unfortunately We have to rely on good
faith of a contractor to read that condition and say that it is. And I can tell you, I mean, if you look at the rail trail, I have to laugh because it says I know the mascot spec for no weeds and the damn thing's
filled with uh ragweed, which is something I have to bring up to beta when they come in for their certificate of compliance. >> Well, if they ever do. >> That's the question. >> Yeah, they ever do. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> So anyway, it's just it's unfortunate, but it's something you have to just go
on good faith and hope that the contractor does that. Rarely happens. I can tell you that even on the big projects. Otherwise, we'd be chasing down uh invoices, I think, or asking for
invoices. It's unfortunate. Oh, so are we going to share um screen? >> Yeah, sorry. I'm doing it right now. I'm just over why that Google Docs is now not giving me the option of doing something else.
>> Technology at its finest. So, can everyone see that? >> Yeah. >> So, >> yes. >> Um, Lisa made a recommendation to change the language from provide the deed language to provide the recorded easement.
Um, I guess what was the other section there? >> Um, let's see. >> Number four. >> Yep. Number four. Are we talking about starting at the property line at 63? >> Yeah, this is going to be part of the description.
>> I'm just going to strike all this. >> Let me see this one. >> It's not perfect. >> No, it's fine. I write it down. when you're >> think we lost Dan. Okay. So, I'm going to say here the property owners
at both 63 and 65 Hill Street will jointly own. Sure, there's a legal term. Um, >> yeah, probably. But it's not our job to be legal here, right? >> Right. We'll jointly own the 12 in and I would
spell out high density poly because they're not going to or HDP, right? the jointly own 12-in HDP um located between Hill Street and the rear of the property at uh where where were we? 65.
Was it 65 or three? >> 63. >> 63. Would it be easier to say the inflow and outflow? >> I don't know which way. Well, I know which way it's flowing, but God knows what if it gets backs up. >> Well, how about >> that's a that's a good point, but I
would say the design outflow and inflow would be probably something because it's definitely has design to it because it that was one of the questions the highway superintendent asked was how will the pipe be pitched? >> So, it definitely has design pitch to it. So, I think that actually is not a bad recommendation to put that on on
paper. Well, yeah, we should say they ought to be responsible for maintaining the flows, right? The flow of the pipe between the property line and the rear or something like that as part of, you know, what their responsibilities are going to be, right? So,
um, so we already hit the drainage easement part unless you want to do that again, but >> no, >> I would say okay. Uh both owners will be responsible for maintenance uh
maintenance of the pipe, maintaining flow, um repairing and or replacing as needed. Uh I that's what I have right now. Owners will responsible for repairs, replacement and management for design
function of the pipe the summer >> to maintain flow from Hill Street to the rear of the property. And that captures that And you just might want to cross
reference it and say also see um you know >> site plan >> a drainage easement will be required. Please refer to H condition uh 37 whatever it is C
C and D. Uh what did I have? What number was it? C and D. Uh >> yeah, 37 C and D. >> Condition number 37 C. >> Something along those lines.
>> Yep. >> Okay. >> Does that work for everybody? >> It does. So all these same changes will apply to our next order. >> Yes. >> Yes. Yep.
>> All right. So I think we're set for considering a motion. Uh before you do, could you just go back to the last uh section where we paused? It's a little further down. The
highlighted section. >> Yeah, it's a long way down. 37. Is that what you meant? >> Uh stop. Yes. Uh okay. Uh it there's a small point but
there's the uh parenthesis uh parenthetical statement uh by both land owners of both land owners for 63 and 65 Hill Street. Um it should be you should
say something like uh by land owners for both 63 and 65. Um what it technically says otherwise is that
uh each uh is that 63 and 65 each have two land owners >> at those addresses. >> Sorry, I apologize. Not an English major. >> That's all right. I'm just I'm
>> That's why I have technical editors at my disposal. I wish I could have the funds to have a technical editor. >> You can always go with AI. >> Who knows what you'll get. >> It's true. >> We have AI Dan.
>> Well, I don't think we could we would use the A part. >> Um anyway, you might even say land owners of both. >> Yeah. Of both instead of four. that I agree with Tubian.
Not when I saw him. >> You going to be able to make heads of this? >> Yes, I'll be fine. >> Uh, we just want to see for the 24 in I'm sorry, for the 12 in and said water management pipe system. >> Yeah, >> you wanted to call it something else for
the 12 in. >> I was just about to go Dream line. Everybody understands what a drain line is? There we go. Plain English. >> There you go. >> All right. I will make a motion
to issue the order conditions for 250-1188 as discussed. >> Second. >> Uh motion by Lisa, seconded by Joe. So, Joe and Dan, how do you vote?
>> I >> I >> Mark and Lisa >> I >> I >> and Courtney >> I >> and I'll throw in an I. Motion carries. Um >> and then assuming the same edits
or suggested edits to 190, I'll make a motion to issue the order for 250-1190. >> Second. Uh motion by Lisa, seconded by Joe, Joe and Dan. Any vote? >> I
>> Mark and Lisa. >> I >> Courtney >> I >> and I'll So I'm going to just out of curiosity of our members tonight, how many have actually seen
a carbon copy? Oh, this speak ancient. >> Well, I'm not I'm not a member, but I've actually I've seen a I've seen a car. >> You've seen Okay. So, >> I think I got a sheet in the in my drawer here. >> I >> maybe a mograph, right?
>> I I've seen them. I've I've made them. Um but anyway, I just um I >> But have you sniffed them? >> You're not supposed to admit that. There less brain cells in the cell base because >> but you know if you use the term uh can
you Xerox this now many people will say huh because Xerox was the first copy machine and uh then it went out of that business. Um, >> well, if if you really if you want to really want to bring up a a local um uh
one, I always used to I probably told Mark this, but I always used to refer to those uh brown grocery bags as Fernandi's bags. They're always Fernandi's bag. >> Okay. >> Doesn't matter where they they could
come from Shaws or Stop and Shop. Fernandi's bags. So, >> and I found I found online a t-shirt with the Fernandes Supermarket logo on it a couple years ago. I bought it. Keep the logo alive. >> Are you rel related to the park?
>> Yeah, my uh great uncle was the founder. >> Oh, wow. >> Um All right. I think we've come to the end of our agenda and we need a formal motion, second, and voice vote.
I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Second. Second. >> Uh we have a motion by Lisa, seconded by Dan, Joe, and Dan. Any vote? >> I.
>> Uh Mark, and Lisa, do you vote? I >> I >> And I'll throw in an I. Thank you guys.