uh 706 I will call the March 3rd meeting of the finance committee to order um present we have Bill Steve Paul Trace Gavin uh Zack Kevin and I think we have Paula online is there anyone else that joined us online I'm
here okay all right so um get started are we going to start take them an order Mike with the police first good evening everybody um so I'll briefly go through uh some some highlights or bullet points
on the the budget um starting with the uh my letter to the annual letter to the town manager um this coming fiscal year 2026 we have six employees receiving step increases five longevity increases 12 that received vacation increases and
one who has elected salary mentation we're coming currently down actually three bodies um we have three offices two that retired this fiscal year one is out injured we've tried to hire um over the last uh I don't know
eight months and it's been impossible we if we remain a civil service Community um I don't want to speak for the fire chief but I I'll speak for myself that I've seen this coming for the last 6 years we Tred to get out of civil service and and it failed but we went through 160
names 160 names and we couldn't find a viable candidate so um we're looking at some other options through a new local register with civil service but um um it's been uh fruitful P to try to find anybody um we also are benefiting from
some grant funding this year again through the dmh grant that we have um a co-responder model that has a clinician assigned to the police department and allows for the follow-ups we also received a grant and uh split it with the fire department both last year and
this year for active shooter training where we got the majority of our offices through um through active shooter training so we do have an officer who is assigned to the DEA task force and the DEA actually pays
time so his uh there's somebody that's not on mute here that's we just hear it I don't know their TV I don't know if anybody has a [Applause] controls it's quiet now uh um so as I was saying we actually
have a person that's assigned Park time to the DEA task force um and uh the DEA pays for the over over time we don't see the we don't see as a police department the overtime being reimbursed directly into the budget it actually goes into the general fund and
will become free cash after uh after the end of the fiscal year so um getting into the the budget document which is kind of [Music] UPS um just the different sections that uh I'll go through we'll go over to the
budget summary which is uh requesting an increase of $ 172,173 point9 per increase the majority of uh the increases are all contractual through uh through Union uh [Music]
contracts on the uh the next page just goes over the salary increases which uh the total is $16,600 for salaries my salary increase for next year $5,900 13 and then overtime so if you look at
the overtime this is what we've I've historically put in for overtime 7,240 hours it hasn't been funded at this in a number of years um so if we did fund it at this amount it would be
$521,000 and and what I've done this year is I've done an average of the last 3 years what we used which was , 580 hours to request $473,500 hours of the
difference um the longevity increase is only $200 shift pay so if a Sergeant's not working or Lieutenant's not working a patrolman is in an officer in charge capacity and they receive a a stien for that that's a $500 increase uh the
fringe benefits is actually a decrease because the deputy chief does not receive that any longer um incentive pay is a contractual stiens which is $ 6,778 um there's no increase in the remainder of the uh the Personnel
Services the injury the special police of the matron covers and really the only when we go to expenses really the only increases are the you'll see the MC cleaning that's what we pay for the cleaning to clean the station that's the uh anticipated
increase for next year and then uh there was a couple of items in there that um we've been trying to get away from the what come what has historically come under the town manager's budget under Building Maintenance and put it under the repair maintained buildings to uh
for the police department so they increased there is $10,200 and that is really the only increases that is well is the only increases for the uh for the remainder of the uh the expense expense budget so
I did want to go to where was page nine and just mention this you might have saw something about this on the police academy it's the same request as last year is $6,000 there's no increase but I made a note that the governor is increasing the am amount under her
proposed budget that we pay so if we send somebody to the police academy there's a $3,200 fee the governor has uh proposed a increase in the fee to $66,000 um so I just wanted to make everybody
kind of aware of that so um at the end of the budget document we go into the department wage and salary sheet which shows every officer and employee of the department and what their uh their base salary is the next page is the fiscal 2026
budget uh which has a breakdown of each individual line item uh after that is the the uh breakdown of the benefit uh vacation longevity clothing education training and um etc for each individual
officer um and I started to put this together several years ago because it it it goes without saying that every year we have somebody that leaves the police department for some some reason and I put a historical perspective of vacancies just so you can see that every year somebody leaves um you know this
past year we have two retirements they were really unforeseen so uh then I had the the uh organizational chart which hasn't changed in the last few [Music]
years um and then I put together because it's always a question about what we use overtime for so I put the overtime needs um what we what we spend overtime on um just so everybody can can see it I know I've been over several times with
uh with this group and individually with some members of the finance committee I know the committee changes here and there but uh this is kind of what we use over time for uh the next two sections um just an overview of we now come under the peace
offices standards and training there's new requirements that come under us um through the the mock legislation of 2020 so um it's just some information if you want to go on the post commission website and look at that we also are an
accredited police department and this is a little overview of what the accreditation is we will be up for re accreditation next year every 3 years we we uh we have to get re accredited and there'll be a series of uh of uh days
where outside uh um assessors will come in to assess our Police Department there that'll likely happen in March and then once we get through that for the first time I think ever on notes ever we actually had to put together I told you about the 160 candidates I put
together recruiting fly flyer looking for candidates for civil service lateral transfers and we haven't got anybody um it's one of those things right now it's um you know I think I mentioned here or there that it's supply and demand is very little Supply and high demand right now so a lot of people are free agents
they can go basically wherever they want and then lastly um you know we've typically we've been uh we've been as low as number two is the safest community Through the safewise program and this year I just just for the heck of it I looked on their website and
where's number 17 so that doesn't really have anything to do necessarily with the police department but I think it shows the the community we live in and the the teamwork that's established with all the department heads and uh through the leadership of the Town manager
so that's kind of my brief overview if you have any specific questions can you tell us what's an incentive pay what's an incentive pay sure it's an educational benefit training stien and what's the factors that drove
us from 2 to 17 you know um well I'll be honest with you when you're in the top 20 it's very minute and it's all based on your uh ners numbers National incident based reporting members on selected crimes and they're
all it's all very very small it's like a it's almost like the GPA for a valegator allocator it's very just a verye difference any challenges you see coming out with concerns and this year ofd you um I don't I don't have anything in
particular I mean you know my my biggest concern I think you know maybe the fire chief is the same way is just trying to find to hire people it's definitely we're definitely struggling with that right now and if people start to leave if you know this injury turns into retirement and then somebody else uh
leaves then we're down four people it's it's tough to make that that up in this environment Chief is there a way of setting up the DEA overtime so that it could go right back in since it's a a drawer on your overtime account or you're going to have to come potentially
back and ask for fact when a free cash if you need it yeah so I mean I asked James about that I think James is on tonight and it's not considered a grant so I can't do that I can't it's not reimbursable like with the when we have the traffic Grant and we have an officers who are uh who are working uh
traffic details um you know the pedestrian Grant out in front of Wheaten College we have a separate line item for that and you know we take money into a deficit and then replace it with the reimbursement but since this because
it's not a grant per se we can't do that so you you said you down three people correct I see on the salary just two at the bottom the last what is the third one one is out inine oh so you got one out inine so the
roughly um $130,000 that's in those salaries with those people don't exist is that going to go into the overtime Budget on next year seeing you don't have anybody well could certainly I think will be over our allotted overtime this year and it will
come from the salary account I will note and is that I one of those positions is only funded at 75% for next year because I don't think we'll have somebody up and ready for July 1st okay so you're looking for if my math is correct a 3.8%
increase or $172,000 is that about right yes and let me touch I I know you've answered before but is it time to you know the Civil Service thing I I I don't know what you're going to do with it if you're going to try to go go
at it again and try to get it removed um but is it time to relook at bringing back special police offices I I know those issues with that and you discussed it in the past but we you got limited Options under under police reform of
20120 there was no more res Reserve inate Academy we literally cannot do that so that's completely completely off the table so is there any Talk Amongst the two departments here putting the civil's therap thing
back on the ballot for a third time maybe three times every day but it's like you know we don't want I think I think there has to be bigger discussion you know one of the things I hear is that you know there wasn't enough information about it that some people that voted no against it didn't want to
lower our standards it has absolutely nothing to do about lower our standards obviously the last time when the fight Department was on by itself there was two override votes and nobody checks off no no yes right like they just don't do it so and that's what happened there it
was and um it passed unanimously a town meeting it passed unanimously at town meeting so um I think it's you know something we have to discuss a little more yeah unfortunately I think my opinion is you know most people are not informed they not paying attention as you see there's
nobody here um so I just don't know how you get that communicated communicated to the to the public enough we are not a political organization you almost need a a group of something I'm not sure what the answer is like there
is a new hybrid model that that U myself the fire chief and the town manager went to a meeting with civil service about 2 weeks ago I think we're going to probably explore that a little bit it's not perfect but it's probably better than what we have now thank you any other questions
thank you uh communication so this year as you know in in December of 2020 we moved to se at High Rock Hill in Foxboro um and our assessment next year
is going up to $600,000 from $450,000 I guess I wanted to point out a couple things when we in 2017 when we started discussing the estimated um cost for uh dispatch we
were operating then 2017 at at communications being 900,000 9814 126 roughly we were looking um we were looking then at an at a possible
assessment cost this is 2017 of $544,000 um even though I think this went up it's it's still a great value I think if we had our own Dispatch Center here would be paying well over $1.2
million um you know possibly not even including uh any type of health insurance I think we've saved substantially over the last few years with the uh going to a regional dispatch the technology that they've had that they have up there the assistance they
give us is invaluable in my my opinion so but that's just the assessment that'll go up this year than chair there was talk of other communities joining that to try to reduce the cost is any movement on that since last
year they are in discussions with other so nothing new there's nobody new on nothing as of yet but it is being discussed how many other Town how many other towns are they discussing that with is there a cap uh there's not
necessarily a cap they're discussing it with uh with four or six other other department other towns so um a lot of it depends on the grant they have to put the Grant I think the grant has to be in uh this week or next and uh
you know I don't know if you've ever been up there I'd love to take you guys up there because I think you'd be just astonish it's like something out of stopless um but there's a whole back room that's undeveloped and the you know the purpose of applying for a grant to get new communities Vis is to is to get enough money in that Grant to build up
that bathroom and once they do that they could do I think you see people come what do you think the driver is for the increase um I don't I don't know in particular the increase why went up to I
think it's been discussed like that for a few years yeah it's that was always the plan um because uh Fox Foxboro Mansville went up previously and East and Norton last into the grp so um we
haven't preve until this coming fisal year but it's only it's only $56,000 more than what we were looking to pay in 2017 is there a step up in say 27 and 28 does this go up to 750 900 is there a Gap to
where we sit on this or is it going to continue to go up at this rate um we really don't know and a lot of it depends on other communities that we get in to the group to try and level any increases so bring them down a
little bit um right now there is not an anticipation of major increase it's all based on how the grants keep coming in yeah so the state i911 Grant I know there's been discussion lately that the grant is funding these major centers and
there that there's less funding going to the Standalone centers like we used to have so um you know I think we're seeing the the brunt of the money right now so I don't know if it's going to there's no plan for next year for it to go up in
particular I know this Crystal invol with grant money always concerns me is it the grants go away or dry up any concerns there I know you're saying Regional no I mean it's on it's every every single uh cell phone bill that you get has a small search AR so there it's
in the law so it's I don't think that's going to that's going to be affected any other questions thank you thanks [Applause] evening so I will say we're in the same situation as Chief clock is I one to kind of speak out turn but the same for
us we're having difficulty iring people right now we're down two positions uh possibly a third coming up um we've called the two paramedic lists through civil service we had zero applicants uh sign up the list so um so we exporing that the hybrid model right now and work
on some other things that you talked about earlier so anyway um so yeah I'll just kind of give you a quick overview and hit the the highlights any the significant U line items or or changes from last year here okay um so I'll just kind of go
through the the first one is uh salaries and U wages so we're requesting um 3,585 478 um in that um that that is all contractual increases all the majority
of our budget is contractual increases uh we've had 17 members that had step increases in addition to their um their regular raise as well so that's where that number comes from um the overtime we're requesting uh $647,000 48 um obviously you probably
don't know but the overtime primarily is used to maintain adequate Staffing when employees are off on contractual time or out injured we have a major incident uh call back in uh in addition what some people might not know is that all the holiday pay comes out of the overtime account as well so automatically
$100,000 of our overtime just about anywhere close to that goes right towards um holiday pay so um in addition we've had N9 members go up in vacation steps so the demand um is going to go up a little bit and uh we've kind of transitioned to a younger Department over the past several years uh which is
good we we have more people going to um take classes uh get their degrees we also have a lot more people having baby so uh a lot of them are out on maternity leave and that and that's a contractual thing they're that they're allowed to use and stuff so um that also increases the the need for overtime um as well
so um the next line uh would be incentive pay and we are requesting 69753 for that that's strictly contractual increases um and also people attaining degrees that they might not have previously have so that's what
represents increase there [Music] training uh just a small uh increase request uh we're asking for 65,66 in that moving on to uh the operating
expenses uh there is some significant increases in here that you um with the new town Hobby in built previously um the town budget paid for all the maintenance gas and electricity uh for the fire station so this year we have to take that we're taking that on into our
budget so it's something it's not really new but it's just shifting over from the town side to town hall side to us so um without these increases our our operation expense would have only gone up by I think like .9% so it's quite different with these
increases so uh for for electricity uh you'll see last year was 62,000 this year is 44,000 we just kind of run the numbers up natural gas is going from 8,000 to 23, 468 and the repair and maintain
buildings is going from 10,100 to 32,9 67 um other thing I would keep in mind is that we've really tried hard to come up with the most accurate numbers we could to base our request on we've never had to pay for the maintenance of the building before uh a third of the
building's gone now so trying to calculate all that all that kind of stuff and we're pretty much about 80 we're trying to figure out about 80% uh cuz we did 24 hours a day when the time employees were only there you know appr 8 10 hours a day previously so um we
could be over we could be a little bit under I'm not really sure but we put a lot of time into trying to come as close as we could with our request so um professional good news Professional Services we actually decreased by $8,300 uh and part of that was um when
we going to get out of civil service we would have had a company come in and do promotional exams but we're still in civil service so we're paying for them to you know our people actually to take the exams at Civil Service uh but it's cheaper to do
that um educational assistance is just a a small increase um about $1,600 we're asking for 33,600 um that's also a cont contractual L atom for for members to be able to go to school and get reimbursed for it so
um thankfully again that's an estimate as well because if we had every number going take classes we would be way way over that but um moving on to um emergency medical for repair and maintain Vehicles
we're actually going down $4,500 um which is which is good um we were about 9,000 last year and I asked for 5,000 in the fall just because the anals was getting decimated with major repairs so I think we replaced just
about every important pot in both of the es uh we got a new ambulance that just got delivered it's uh it's should be it's already back out getting stuff done to it uh but it's under warranty so long story short that should be under warranty for the majority uh of the upcoming fiscal year so we don't
anticipate any major uh expenses with that so that's why're we're going down with that right now okay um ambulance billing just a small increase we're asking for $80,000 um that's always kind of a good one when that goes up because we're getting 96% of we're what we're asking
for they TI is 4% for the billing right so um in other words the more that they we're paying them that means they're making more money for the ambulance count okay um what else uh for training in on the EMS uh you see that number still pretty high we're asking for
43,2 um and included in there is a tuition for two members to go to paramedic school CU like I mentioned to you earlier we've tried to get paramedics at least a couple of times now we're going to try again with a hybrid model through service once we get that work done hopefully a few weeks um but if want if we're unable to still get
paramedics at that point we're going to have to resort the hiring EMTs get them to go through the fire academy which takes at least a year or so and then send them to the next available paramedic school and that takes approximately 2 years for them so you're looking at probably 3 years before you have somebody's a paramet so that's why we're trying so hard to try to get
people that are already trained and certified but it's just it's been a go challenge for so um let's see what else we got Emergency Management this is really easy there's going one line on here we ask for
$1,050 and that's just an increase of $330 from last [Music] year any questions I have a couple questions Madam chair uh this one's for both Chiefs
actually going back when we first decided that we were going to try to exit Civil Service you guys both correct me if I'm wrong I don't know how anybody canot handar me but you guys both renegotiated with your
unions what ever happened with that so what is I mean we must be in some kind of limbo you you negotiated something that we're going to come out of civil service we're still in civil service so where how does how was that played out from we to
understand than settled the contract and contract's in effect but did we make the changes did the reverse back how does that work it's not you make a deal and then you can't get it through does it revert back to the previous deal no they've received the benefit for it the
issue is it has to come out at a town election has to go come out the way it went in which is a town election I I get that but if you negotiated with me and you said okay I'm going to leave the Civil Service and I don't know what the deal was I'll I'll give you 2% increase just for argument sake and it didn't
happen because it didn't we weren't able to get it over the line what happens to that to those contracts they still got the increase if there was one I assume there was one um and we're still in civil service but it's not their fault Zach
that I'm not blaming anybody I just curious how that uh how's that played out and where it is I don't know if there was a a clause that it must pass far no no yeah Chief just looking at the um
incentive pay that's the education fece too right look at uh yeah there's several they there's a lot of incentives but that education is one of them and I'm just looking right now through 1231 it's 89% expended any concerns for the rest of the year no that's a good question but the majority of it gets
paid out in December in in one month some and then there's some specialist position get paid out quarterly so that's where you see uh a lot of that money that left over is allocated to that yeah any concerns that you would have with this year's budget presting not particularly like I said just the
the hiring people and hoping people don't get hurt and you know that that's sort of thing I had a question um I thought the last time that you spoke to us you had said that you had a couple of people in the academy that were supposed to be coming out in February um did that
happen and has that helped at all good question we had we had two people in uh one of them is all set great employee the other one resigned okay through the medical issues he has some medical issues while he was in the academy and uh tried to recover from it and go again
had another same issue only a little bit worse and uh decided that this probably wasn't for him yeah all right so that's that's well that's one of those openings that I said we have two that that gentleman was one and then we had a retirement okay yeah so
thanks M chair this question maybe more from Mike but so we pushed more of the facilities and utilities to the local departments but how do we know 44 is the 44 and 23 like in his budget are these
based on actual meter readings or is this an allocation like we were add them up based on the prior what's on the town side is that how was the pie chopped up when you're pushing these costs under the local departments um it's part of both looking at the past
history your percentages and then looking at the bill and says they started coming in after we moved out in September Kevin some of those some of those lines Kevin are covering chly and barrels of fire station too so it's not purely just for the new the station here
it's also got two other stations in there so yeah previously we pay for those two stations now we're adding on the the video Madam chair Mike uh was it correct me if I'm wrong but was it also the DPW over here
connected to the Town Hall El electricity um I'm trying yeah they they were so that's I assume we haven't gotten that far but I assume there going to be an adjustment there too I know I know what the generator of room was connected off there I don't remember if
uh their utilities what were connected I'm going to run an extension to my house too so you got everything else it's be a lot all question same question okay remember the wi fire
station used to live on Bay Road it had to close yep any other questions thank you I appreciate it thank you me call any questions come up do they look at at Capital while here
or are they going to come back and talk that are you guys prar to to Capital are you here I just brought his in here I don't know just to note the capital committee has not voted on any anything that he's
presented so no we get m per seconds no problem pull up real quick here so for um for for this for this year our request was $30,000 for a turnout Gear replacement um which is that's right about in the
same actually a little bit less than I think we got last year last year we were fortunate to get um a state earm Mark for the for the turnout GE so we actually saved $32,000 last year uh which was really good um that's pretty much in there every year for the turnout gear a set of turnout gear right now is about
$4,500 just for one set it only lasts for about 10 years each member has uh two sets of gear so they can wash their gear when they come back from a call and have another set to be able to utilize um so that was one of our requests um our other request was just for um the payment of the pumper and Tower replace
M for $649,800 uh so that would be year uh 205 then um we have requested $35,000 for gas meters but we asked to defer that cuz we're trying to pursue a grant for the gas meters right now we just
probably won't find out for a couple of months whether whether we're able to get it or not so we're try to get a Federal grant for that um and then um we asked for $300,000 uh 50/50 split from the ambulance account uh for station repairs
with the town hall um you know moving out and us getting that little bit extra space um just some money to try to we're working with an architect right now and try to find um the best way to utilize that space and kind of bring a you know modernize the building a little bit and
make it a little more practical so for example like our classroom can only fit about 18 people in it and it's it's kind of Bumper to Bumper in there when you when you do that it's a long rectangular classroom so it's not really suited very well if you're sitting in the back um so we have we have 40 people in our
department we often have to do trainings with everybody there uh several times a year so that's one of the things that we're trying to increase the space for so um that was all we that was all we have any questions about any of that Adam chair under the current contract uh with
this company that's doing a demolition what kind of condition are they leaving that in in the interior walls is it going to be just a disaster or is it going to be finished walls painted when it's done they say they're going to put it back to the way that it used to look so it's supposed to be a finished wall
in there uh when it's done um they pulled out um some of the the rug tiles and kind of stacked them in one other room we supposed to put them back over there um once in a while we'll kind of get them get on them a little bit about housekeeping and reminding them that we're going to be staying in there after they leave um for the most part it's
been pretty good and they say it's going to be the you know like me when they leave at least how much more time they have do you know uh I'd say at least a couple of months anyway yeah with I think maybe 3 months or so at least in May yeah thank you no
problem all right thank you again all right so uh police department Capital request is for three line cruisers at $216,000 and for year five of our uh payment plan of $21,000 for our electrical control elic control weapons
which is otherwise known as a taser um that uh you know customarily we do ask for three Cruisers we ordered our Cruisers last spring we didn't uh there was no approval of uh new Cruisers so we waited to the fall and uh we ordered
them about a week after town within the week after town meeting we still haven't received them so he tells you how long it takes to get um new Cruisers uh we were down uh six Cruisers last month all at various different times for various
different things um so it doesn't take much uh for us to go down cruises especially as our Cruisers get older and we don't replace them as frequently as we should so um the cruises that we're looking to
replace our 2013 2018 and a 2020 the 2020 is used almost shift um as was as was the 2018 and the 2013's been in reserve for a couple years but
it's uh it's well on its way up the door any questions any questions thank you thank you next up is uh instrctions so inspections department
um the salar um increase total is uh $110,000 um part-time wages $8,000 increase um longevity pay $200 increase incentive pay uh stays the same um the
expenses uh with this request um the major increase is under other supplies and that's the line item that the building department uses for board up supplies for Ving buildings um so that's something we'll
be looking at and also um outside inspection coverage no excuse me that's level um so the main the main thing there was the bo up supplies then the next sheet is the salaries
[Applause] um so in the building department you have the Building Commissioner and uh full-time Building Commissioner and a full-time clerical staff and then you have the part-time um
inspectors um you have a wiring inspector a plumbing gas inspector um and a second uh Plumbing gas inspector those uh positions are paid per
inspection uh so looking at past history and uh where how many inspections they've had the budget estimates are those that are to the right 30,000 25,000 5,000
30,000 can you share your screen again say that again I thought it was I'm sorry any questions [Music] that's uh Mike uh obviously it's based
on I see last week's meeting the the uh um the building commission has resigned yeah he's uh mov moving on to West Bridge and my question is I don't know what your salary study
is but are you going to able to get somebody that seems low for a Building Commissioner um I don't know do you have you think I'm able to hire somebody for that number um we I think we will because uh we based uh the ad on the
salary survey that just done last year with the high and low range so depending on what experience they have hopefully uh find somebody just getting any applicants uh it's crazy I mean we've been looking
for a local inspector for months uh nothing any other questions on that budet okay next is the dog officer and in that department you have uh the full-time dog officer and also one part-time uh
person and uh you have the contractual salary increases for the full-time officer um slight increase for the part-time and uh under the benefits but longevity pay uh
increases by $150 and then uh his expenses um are up uh $600 or $200 excuse me on officer next uh Chris honor is uh on supp heal
budget everybody hear me okay you say yes yes yes yes no okay good how you doing G from what El um so as you'll see um our uh total for our salaries actually
went down a little bit this year because we have a new uh secretary that started at a lower rate um any increases that were done on those salaries were done on contractual through the unions
um and uh parttime wages would be for um assistant uh health inspector as well as we pay a small quarterly payment to um the Animal control officer
for uh animal inspector uh where he does our uh stable inspector inspections in uh C inspections uh our expenses as you can see I don't change very often
um the auto uh vehicle repair number is usually up pretty high but I usually can cover it with brid from other accounts so I don't really like to add to my total if I don't have to um so I'm usually pretty consistent
about leaving it alone that where it is uh and then public health nurse account as you know we don't we don't longer have a public health nurse per say on salary um we do have however uh which we did not have you'll notice on this year
that there wasn't much money spent at all last year uh and this was due well this current fiscal year this was due to the fact that um you pre-order your um vaccines um and we had nobody uh for we
we didn't know where we were going to be at when it came Springtime due to the override and everything else and then we didn't have a regional healthare which we do now um so we'll be giving back some money this year from that for sure uh but we'll be looking
to um be prepared for next next season we do now have a regional um shared public health nurse um so hopefully we'll be able to what some food clinics and other you know
clinics place that'll be beneficial for the town [Music] any questions on post M
so if we now have a regional nurse or what have you how come you're not asking for any type of immunization supplies so we going to be ordering the immunization supplies uh you do that in
the spring um so that's why they're showing we're showing right now that we haven't spent much cuz you do it you order in the spring for the following flu season and you they don't deliver obviously until that following flu season uh but
you pre-order uh all that stuff will be done in the springtime but you you don't have any of it in your budget I'm sorry you you don't have any of it in your budget so how are you going to
purchase it for the next schal year yeah we do have we do have uh currently have Stu stock now uh so I I do have the uh medical and surgical if I
supplies if I had to but uh generally one of the big things is that uh a lot of our flu shots come compl preil sures so we're not we don't necessarily have to do a whole lot of Mer supplies okay okay uh Chris where do the um shared
nurse uh salary come out of so that's a grant that we have through uh M dph uh we're currently sharing a nurse a um a food inspector and a uh
epidemiologist with Mansfield Foxboro Easton Sharon and playville and this is a uh currently we're within a threeyear rant right now is uh about a year and a half left to that Grant So
currently it's all being fully paid through those positions are being fully paid through the grant we don't know how long that's going to stay I just going to ask you able to try to reapply for that for another threee Grant we yeah we always intend to try to keep pushing it along
and and see how far we can get with it but uh you know obviously going to be whether or not the gr avilable I will say this at the the funding for that g Fally and U with the atmosphere we're in right now not sure that that but's going
to be [Music] different any other questions thank you next up oh Chris sanitary landfill sorry okay you want to push yeah good
that uh so sanitary landfill uh this is the required testing that we have to do for uh Master EP this is for the C landfill of the Hill Hill Street uh um so we uh contract with u c CC
environmental consultants and um this year they're looking to be doing um the gas monitoring for the eight PL eight points that they deal with over there the uh monitoring RS
um as well as the air inside basement 20 a basement of 21 El Street uh because in the past there was traces of uh gases within that basement but it hasn't shown in many many years it really hasn't shown any traces since I've been
here my use but they they're told to monitor that um so and then as far as um yeah so this year because we don't have to do groundwater testing over there um that's why the numbers down
from the 15 FL that was there last year Chris do you know is is the right now you've only spent 3900 do you know if that's going to be um go up at some point soon or is that extra money you're going to have to turn back that that number should still go up
uh well that number should get used up because I believe there's one more test before the end and that I believe that is the 3900 I believe there's uh another gas in uh rawat just uh that will be happening I believe it's in
May so that we have our invoice in by June to get it done before the fa is over thank you any other questions thank you thank you
[Applause] all right uh next is um the March 19th special time meeting L um and we do have some people online also with us uh both these questions um I'll go over the
questions first if I can go the questions and then I'll go back to a power point um the first question is um to have the town consider borrowing um $8 million up to $8 million for the Elm
Street um and uh the El Street water and soore uh project and um right now as you know we have a grant of 3.5 million that would come off of that um and this would
be paid for through um water and so water fees for the water portion of the uh project and the soore portion would be paid um from veterans and the second
article and I I fail to mention militarist is also included in that we over that the second article is uh the U water and sore department is looking uh to borrow
$100,000 um for engineering planning design permitting and our construction intake every system at the ground storage tank on Cottage Street and U this is to be added to the 375,000 that they were authorized
to borrow under article 10 May 11th 2023 and the annual excuse me annual Tomy and the 150,000 authorized to be transferred from water retained earnings
um and just to go back to article one and this so I know um most everyone knows what this project is um just to go over it again um this is a project to
construct a gravity soain from El Elm Street including militaris um down to Reservoir and there'll be one Municipal Wastewater Pump Station um roughly in the area of liary
square I mean liary Park and um 4500 linear feet of waterm improvements on El street [Music] militaris so um this uh project would allow improve
Improvement of 47 Elm Street which is the old Reen Barton uh Factory that obviously is in deplorable condition uh this is a PRI priority economic Target area uh the existing infrastructure in
that area I know we had someone in here the other day talking about the water M on militaris is a 1 in water M uh so the existing infrastructure in that area has limitations and uh this this economic
Target area has allowed us to obtain the uh $3.5 million Mass Works Grant to help us out with this project um so it will never be more cost effective to have those improvements of water and sore in that
area um the was public bid process um for um the project and the grant money and water rates and vets will pay for that that 70% of the betterments will be allocated to um 47 Elm
Street so previously the estimated construction cost was 1.7 million for the water main work and 4.4 million for the soore work the bid results came in and uh
1.33 uh for the water main work and 4 .3 million for the sore work so then with a 10% contingency as you see below that um that would bring it up to uh 7.54
million and um also militarist will have to be a bid alternate the water main part of that for some reason that wasn't part of the bid process but um it it definitely could be done within the
million so the anticipated resulting vment range um will be 10 to $12,000 per unit um single family uh in in the in the
apartment complex 150 units so that's how they came up with their um their B their bettering so just um you know why support this article uh Source service improved water
pressure to the town's priority economic Target area I enhanced property values and expand tax base and um relief from potentially expensive um Title Five repairs later
for some of the homeowners not approving the project would result in a loss of 3 .5 million Mass Works Grant um and in the short term um and long term the costs are going to go up and would be unlikely to see this
money again just so you you know as we've talked about before um along the way according to the town bylaw um anyone AB buding a new soil line has 7even years to tie
in um and because they're paying veter they don't have to pay a sore tying fee not to be cons confused with construction costs so um they the homeowners would have to pay their own
contractor to connect them to the S line but they don't have to pay um a betterment fee to the water and soord am because they'll be paying a betterment [Music] CH Mike what's going to be done to
change the bylaws to something a little more pable like on on a sale of transfer of the property or on failure of your title 5 system instead of the 7year rule which I know no one supposedly enforcing but it should be enforced if it's there
so how how get that Chang Mike I think that's one of the bad points of P to Sol us um just like any other article at town meeting someone have to propose an article just a simple article didn't change the bylaw cuz we discussed this last year and I'm surprised that that
didn't come forward already by the Water and Sewer that actually Shi that out and if I can the select board did vote 4 to one in support of the s are we have question time I'll for your
presentation okay goad Z where do I startop how much time you got so this was brought before this committee last year I believe and it was voted down if i i m serves me then we
brought it to town meeting and at the 11th Hour uh it was taken off because there was was going to be a deal with the developer and we're here today so where's the deal
with the developer you got that slide what's what's that the way it was last left at town meeting that there was going to be a deal with the developer I got your question um so I I believe the select
board is confident that um they can work something out with the developer um but as was said at the meeting by when the select board members and the developer it's the chicken or egg thing what happens first the developer can't get
financing without town meeting authorizing the project to move forward the bank won't Finance the Deb so that's uh you know one of the things that has to happen and the other way to look at it if we
didn't have a developer we will never have an opportunity have $3.5 million to help def Fray the cost and if we don't get water and sore improvements down to 47 L Street no one's ever touching the property so who's on the hook for the $8
million the taxpayers [Music] in $8 million um that you're ask you're asking you're going to asking the taxpayers to come up with $8 million does that come out of water soore receipts does that come out of the municipal budget where's that coming
from one 1.33 million Will Come Out of Water receipts and the seore work is all betters 3 and half million 3 and2 million like can I ask a question about the um so to Zach's point this is now
what the third time this is going before us right and the last time that we talked about this before the town meeting talked about the um the force meain right that is opposed to the uh gravity Fed so just so saving $2
million um to me that gives all the benefits still I mean the property gets developed um I know the road has to get torn up the either way but um I know all the other benefits in terms of the property develop we get the use of grand money all those those pluses um still
seem to be um the case and I guess my biggest concern concern is um going into a special town meeting in March with probably not a whole lot of people there the majority of which are probably going to be those who have a vested interest
you know living nearby as as they as they would um I just I feel like my my I don't think this has changed enough from the last time to make it more um table
for the residents I think it's what $4,000 cheaper is that what it's going to be for the governance um is the the decrease from last time to this time is like $4,000 because now we
have the um the bids right so I guess my concern is if it doesn't pass again um which I'm very skeptical that it would that we're going to lose the grant money we're going to lose our chance to adop this property and at what point do we
just say let's at least get the sword to the property do the force meain um the it seems like 47 know that whoever develops it will pay less overall for their vment um so it will be helpful for them and it maybe more incentive to get it develop quicker um so again I think I
don't think enough has changed since the last time for me to change my opinion to feel like the force May the option be that we talked about the last time is just a better way of going I I think that that did come up at
the select board meeting and I think the feeling was that you're going to be digging up the road anyway and then you're going to put in a force M to 47 Elm Street and just like out here years later people on Elm
Street their septic systems are going to fail and they're going to want to tie into this Force man you you can't it's it's not possible if we had the gravity line there you could tie in but now you can't because it's a force
man is this building tied in no because of the force man only as well right it's private private line out there other questions go so Mike I I had the
I had the pleasure of sitting in Sandy seat I think for two years as West Main was being developed and I don't know how many
times it came back or uh we didn't anticipate this we need another million we gave the million a year later H we ran into this issue another million and a half
so I'm I'm psyched here that your bids came in lower than anticipated the contractor who is who made those bids how good are they how good are they at actually estimating
what it's going to cost and we're not going to be sitting here in a year with ah we misjudged there there's there's you know rock this rock that um
and we need another 2 million um Steve do you want to talk about the bids yes sir I speak of that mean I guess that is the thing um difference this time is that we already have bids in hand um we bet at the contractor he's
um more than qualified to do the work so we have much higher Comfort level with the numbers this time around having the having the bids in hand and we put it you know there's still a contingency on that on that as bit
number in the but we we had that same you know the initial bid for West Main and everybody was confident about it and then it went over and that first request and I know there were people on this
board who's who asked is this going to be it yes we're super confident that this is it well it came back again for more than they did the first time so I'm glad you feel confident but how
confident are we yeah I mean we did a lot um we talked about this in the other meetings um We Gather a lot more information this time we spent a lot more money uh during the design on testing in the road um you
know we went beyond the industry standard for borings um to make sure we had a good grasp on what the sub service conditions are [Music] and when we the first arle we went for
before was was you know before we over this so that was one of the first things to change but I would say you know we built on that experience um obviously was I understand how frustrating it was for
everybody um we use that information um to have better numbers this time that's the the 8 million um we definitely 8 million is the upset for this project it's not the same contractor is
it it is not thank you so we're putting we're digging out that street and that's in front of that uh um waste it there is there any Environmental Studies that have been done can you dig up the street I assume
if the ground is contaminated on the site it's seeped under the road so is there any anything uh that's involved in once they start digging that up any surprises there I don't know what you know so get that soil so as part of the
barding program the soils were tested um the contractor has special Provisions in his contract for handling um the materials um we have a permit called the uram utility related a batement measures
um for any soils that they encounter basically if they um have soils um they can't go back into the trench extra you know when they excavate the trench anything that can't go back in um if it is an area in an area um it
doesn't uh meet the standards of of normal disposal they have to dis of it um in a different Manner and we have those um quantities from the testing that we did and that's in the quote they mitigated the um ground
contamination in the building itself years ago as far as where the tanks were so that hopefully caught over the yeah so so so again to to Zach's
point if you know you do the borings they're every 50 ft 100 ft whatever and you know you're now you're now you're actually in the project you're digging up the road and you come up upon this
this this just site of contamination does that halt the project because now you you you have more of a cleanup than um putting in water and
sewer so no I mean it's already been reported to the the D that we're doing this this work in this area and then it's part of the contract to just deal with like I said the excess excavated
material came back so so the the fact that we think it you know the site is or or we we think we know what pollution is on the actual site we're hoping it hasn't seeped into
the road but if it's a lot worse than we're thinking that it it's still we can just put in water and sewer and and forget we we've seen all this pollution [Music]
worst case scenario so expend character I all I can tell you is we did do testing in the street in front and we identified where there may be some secret they found low levels in some
areas immediately adjacent to the site um they are allowed for what for the work that they're doing the nature of the material they're allowed to put it back in the trench and that's what they're going to do with
with the material it's just a matter of any excess material has to be paid to be called to a special site for that type of materi okay thank you madam chair are there any residents or anybody on Zoom that want to speak
with this all next I have a question hey can you just identify yourself that's S Todd 31 Street go ahead so last
time this was at the town meeting as you said earlier this was table because we were under assumption that the developer was going to come back with a better deal and from what I'm hearing that has not
occurred so I'm not sure why we we would want to move forward with this obviously we want that area developed but it's my opinion that the developers should be taking on these expenses and not having the residents of
Bound Street bear a burden of these Veterans as opposed to the entire town of Norton the town of Norton both and approves it will the entire town in Courtland to have to have support it and
not just the residents down street so um as you said last time I think the finance committee was a not overall and I hope
that this uh this group you know say the same this time thank you is there anyone else that ium that wanted to speak
uh this is an rley representing the developer um so I just wanted to make a couple of comments and uh some updates because uh some of the information is is accurate but um I at least want to give some contacts behind it um one for the
for the betterments uh for us we're we're taking on a significant portion of the betterments we're taking on I forget if it's 70% or so but it's based on um the future um development we're going to be doing it's not even based on kind of
a appropriated amount it's based on the idea that in the future we're going to have a specific number of units and that's been prated based on um how many people can tie into the sewer um also part of our dilemma and our issue is
just financing so um this project as you can imagine uh with just how it is as of right now it doesn't work uh financially it there's just not enough room to make it work and so we're working with the town
and the agreement that everybody uh is referencing has a lot more to do with um the contingency of needing financing on our end meaning we can't get approval to finance this project when we don't even know if we have sewer and water uh so
unfortunately it's a tough chicken or an egg for both sides uh the only only thing that I can say is that I think there has been a hope that a deal uh regarding an up Tiff agreement which operates very much like a normal TI uh
would be able to help us get the funding um in a better position so that we could come to the town and say yes it's likely to be financed and that's where we were at so we were able to draft up a upti agreement we were able to engage with
the state uh and then we were also able to really plan out whether this can even be feasable the one point that I would just make from from financing standpoint is I don't foree there ever be a future uh for this area uh when it comes to water
and SE that wouldn't require this work be done the difference is right now there's the opportunity to utilize us as a group who's interested in doing this project and would take on um 70 or 75% I don't remember the am of the cost um but
also on top of that would be able to provide future tax uh benefits from the project itself uh and then were a good reason why the uh Grant was even given in the first place and from the cost standpoint yeah we we we're taking it
into account as well so when uh there's a concern on whether you know there's going to be some stuff that we uncover uh let me tell you it's a concern of ours as well that's why when we look at this project you know we kind of look at it and we're kicking ourselves a little bit saying
hey you know the more we dig into this uh the more you know exposure and liability we could have on this project the more expense we could incur and so unfortunately for I think everybody involved including everybody on this
call including the select board and finance committee the question is if we don't do it now uh it is going to happen this is going to need to be done at some point and so the question is do we all kind of have to brace for the fact that
this is going to have some elements that are moving Parts some some elements that are chicken or egg but at least we have a commitment from the town and then we have a commitment from the developer so um I every time I I get onto one of
these calls and hear everybody's feedback I completely understand where everything's coming from um it is I wish I could promise everything in order to get this done and unfortunately just because of the Dynamics of the deal and
the financing requirements I just can't thank you uh can I speak can I speak again is that ear yes yeah go ahead um well from my perspective maybe this isn't the right developer for its
project um clearly there's a lot of risk right so even if the town decides to vote and approve this project once we get into nuts and bats and start drilling as you say there's a ton of risk there at that
point the developer can just walk away right so they're they're not they're not taking on they're taking on some risk after that and and maybe you know once they get into it they going to decide this is too L for us you know the
developers you know they're investors who obviously they looking to make money they have all the F not not towns like not resid of they're the ones with the funds and the money and they should I feel that
they should be kicking in fund for this project or at Le the entire town if decides to go home and if it's not this developer down down the line it's another to take on this TK thank you
thank you you want to say something um this is probably more of a a my question um so let's go worst case scenario
I I love playing that we approve this actually let's back up we're contemplating approving this we as a board have have talked in the past
about priorities of the town so has the select board made the distinction that should this developer walk away and and I I don't mean to you know
be negative to the developer but should the developer walk away the select board has has made the decision that whatever is in cover
by the residents on Elm Street is a that cost is of such importance that that is one of the top priorities that the town should be funded I think from their vote they
understand that um so in worst case scenario if the developer did walk away the town would be responsible for that portion of the veter that is the de is the developers so about $1.5 million now the town would put a lean on
the property and if some other developer comes along in the future get that money back hopefully um and just one other thing I want to mention when it comes to the betterments we didn't ask the Norton housing authority to pay all the
betterments on West Main Street cu the Norton Housing Authority needed sewer that was the main impetus for that s door project heading that way was the Norton housing authority and going the other way was
Wheaten college and we didn't ask that to happen there and those residents paid $16,000 per unit as a vment we're fortunate here that we have a $3.5
million Grant that's lowering the betterments to this10 to 122,000 range we didn't have that we probably would get in that $116,000 range that other residents had to pay does the town offer
any financing to the residents to to pay those you know well it's it's spread out over 20 years that had 5% interest over 20
years but that doesn't include the the construction that they have to do the construction they can apply for a Title Five Grant to connect mik I think my not Grant excuse me Grant yeah I think the difference for
me is this is a residential area except for the 47 Elm whereas West Main was commercial IT benefited the town as a whole to bring the sore um into a commercial area I think that's our goal is to give as much of the commercial commercial properties industrial
properties in town sore I don't know that the residential is any you know from a financial perspective which is how I'm trying to look at this um I don't know there's a benefit the town financially to have s go in a residential area and if the residents
who we've heard from have all have I think we heard from one person who's been supportive of it um and predominantly it's been people opposed to it and again my big concern is that that this fail as a town meeting we don't have a plan B and it's just gone
right and that three and a half million is gone because we chose not to go with a plan B with with a direct um you know connection just to 47 mil okay um Mike if this is a truly a chicken and an egg kind of a scenario is
there a reason why it can't be presented as such that if it passes Tom meeting they have a certain window to get their um financing it doesn't happen then the whole thing just drops off and doesn't happen so we're not committed to the one
and half million additional um burden on the town right now where money is extremely tight and stuff um and just have the project not go forward if that's the case um I think that's a discussion that
would have to be had yeah with the water and sore um see what the cont the bid that they got how long they can hold all that and and just on the financial benefits um one the developer has to pay the back
taxes and interest and penalties which is over 400,000 I believe on that property right now and um if the site gets developed into we
get rid of that dilapidated building any hazardous waste that's left there is cleaned up and then the building itself should generate over $500,000 a year in taxes to the town so I I 100% agree with all that I think
something needs to be done I just I don't everything that you just said also seems to me apply to a force I want Jo before said no um you know Town meetings as just in general are hard to get people to come to never mind a special
town meeting in March that you know I think it is PR aren't we going to be the people that um have strong feelings about it right so again we're we're putting a lot of like had all rights on one basket which we're kind of Bing a law on is passing and if it doesn't then
we're kind of stuck at that point right and the question I have was the um you mentioned the quote did have they extended because the quote was in October how long is that good for the how long was the was it extended to the end of March Steve yeah so it's
been extended twice now uh and the diso contractor has given us they're honoring they bid till the end of March from a bit back in October and they did say that was most likely in and which would just be have
than which is not ideal but so yeah the bids that we have are good till the end of March after two uh extensions thank you Zach uh just my feeling on this uh
sitting in the seat and living on the other end of the town it's very easy for me to say oh great we need to develop the T so show up let's vote for yes but I like to put myself in the position of the president living on Elm stream that just got a tax increase that we've all seeing
part of it is the building we're sitting in right now utilities through the roof inflation all over the place and now I'm sitting here in my residence in El Street and I'm going to say okay here's a $10,000 bill and by the way where I need to tie in I still got to pay some money another
10 15,000 to do the exavation I'm hitting those residents up for 20 $225,000 Excuse Me So based on that in my view I will not I will not as it stands right there I didn't support the first time and I will not support it
this time for that reason only it's very easy for me to sit here living on the other end town and saying great let's it's not my problem not my bill and hand it to the residents of uh of el street but I don't think that's fair if the town wants to do it and it's and that
gentleman there who I don't know uh has a point uh if the town if it's critical to the town then it should be spread out over the town anyone else thank you questions or comments yes one
that we assigned somebody today that was back before the last town meeting that was me but we only met once and then we have since that I was just curious what the feeling was of those that lived on
Street s to what Zach was saying what their feelings were about this I mean last I was I went to the public hearing that we had before the last count meeting um and I think it's you know same the same concerns and I guess that's why for me the $4,000 discount
that they're getting I don't think it's changeable in Liv Madam chair Paul would the discussion about the bylaw change maybe to soften the impact against um the residents that
have a functioning or fly new title 5 system to make it known that they're not going to have a bent to their head seven years from now to tie in and stuff if they have a functioning system who has to we talked about that a couple years now who who has to set that forward is that a planning board article we
changing that ory jpp on the town planner that is not the planning board that is that's not in the zoning bylaw that's in the general bylaw so public could bring It Forward select could bring mod Sewer Commission
could bring It Forward I'm just surprised that doesn't happen that's a draw back every time there's a s article that comes around going Force if we're not enforcing it get itting mam chair uh one thing on that I did reach out to the water department
when we discussed this in the fall about the tiing requirement um asking why uh it was the way it was um and was told that that was important to them for planning purposes obviously stable income um I totally get
that but frankly I I'm still if any of the residents of B Street wanted to come and get and propose an article you know maybe in May at this point uh to change that I think I think the town and the water department could probably handle handle the the small amount of planning adjustment they would have to make
frankly um I would I think that would be a great idea it would soften the impact here um because cuz yeah yeah a lot of other towns do it I was surprised by that that was kind of what I was trying to get at but a lot of other towns around have different bylaws that are
much like you said sale or failure as opposed to a static number anyone else questions or comments did you want to vote on this tonight M CH yeah we ready to vote voting okay all right do a roll
call vote right all right start Bill how should I need a motion [Music] on make a motion what are we doing article one yes U make a motion for
like $8 million um the purpose of constructing Mars Water Services sewers pump stations ET on the Elm Street and
militarist [Music] um locations as printed in the uh in the special town meeting um um warant a second thank you great
Bill uh no Steve no Paul no Trace NOP Gavin yes Zach no Kevin no no no and
Paula no and I am also that he no one yes article two you need any more explanation John har I believe and on questions um so what happened here
was they went out to bid on this project uh that was funded previously and the bids came in higher than anticipated um there was only one bidder on the project and um there this is a requirement of D they want
this project moving forward uh so that's why it's on the March War um town meeting and uh looking for the $100,000 in additional funding that will be paid for out of water rates anyone have questions on that
article motion we approve it as presented in the articlea Bill yes Steve yes yes trce yes K yes Z yes kin yes
Paula yes and I have a yes as well chair Mike regarding article one the fact that the was Mo Plan B for forward um not sure why that's the case
push this do not have any more force me in town but still would have taken care of the issue of getting the proper develop still we could have used a the grant if we did the so I'm not sure if we're losing out completely cuz it was an all the nothing instead of a c b that
we had discussed last [Music] year I would also vote Yes on that one I voted yes on this cuz it's the only one in front of us I think the town needs it so think the plan would have been you know insurance for now and at least get
grabs the grant money gets the job done at least you roll out for sure it'd be great if we could do it kind of like the override you know how where we got to fall all right anything else on the special is that off M that's just those
two right yes okay um so do we want to talk about our um you were asking about the time the mean time yeah so I'm sorry S I didn't hear ask if you want want to switch to 6
o' any interest in switching to 6 o00 what's the driver of a question what's that just oh just cuz Okay iar just the school committee's gone to 6:00 the S board starts at
6:00 y that's tough one know do we want to be halfway at 6:30 sorry I'm not sure if I heard correctly um like are you proposing that we're changing all of our Monday
meetings 6 pm. p.m. I think that's the proposal yes Mom yes okay what's your what are your feelings on apolla um just you know personally I
don't know if I work children who at 6:30 and anybody have any appetite for 6:30 want to keep it seven the little matters
Paul sorry what did you say 30 would be a little better okay go full for we want to do an actual formal vote and see if the passes or not do we want to wait for a freebody you ever going to get a freebody girl you
got almost everybody not not knowing what everybody's you know circumstances are you know seven Works kick at the next meeting then and if we have a full qu we can discuss it again Ian SE seven
works we know that but if if we have you know a few people who are missing who may who may commute on Mondays or you know whatever you know it may work for them it may not work for them it's a volunteer committee
we don't want to make it you know that difficult any other thoughts on whatever you want to vote on this or you want to wait and see I have no kids or commute so I'll obstain either way you I get no mistake doesn't matter
to me either way so I I would abstain doesn't matter and you're retired so you would obain to over there TR to an excuse you probably want it at noon time Kevin what do you thinking down there I mean I think just beyond who incumbent
currently it's what's what'll promote people to volunteer in the future I don't know I guess I'm skewing more towards the 700 p.m. being in the same boat as Paula the commuion things yeah I mean for me if there's even a couple people that would not be
able to make the 6:30 I'd rather leave it at 7: um sounds like we have that would be tough for we also had a request for the this is the one time the um joint
meeting um the select board asked if we could push that meeting back I'm not sure where the planning board it on there I'm not and I don't See's gone it's scheduled right now for 7:15 so I'm not sure what date is that April
1st April 1 April 1st push date or push back in time in time so there was I think just one ask if you push it back earlier it's going to be a I'll make it earlier make it earlier okay okay
so saying that wrong yeah yeah sorry as long as you're on the same page again fine with me TR you're saying no it it's it'll be tough yeah okay 7 15's better than pushing it forward
sure I could do it once I could do it once I couldn't do and and that joint meeting is to discuss NTA oh that'll go on forever
so that might be the one time we're pushing it Forward noon um might give us enough time that that'll go on for hours I mean I don't even I I don't know if 7:15 if s help at all are no because
means we could all do seven probably I'll leave it up to yeah planing I say all right and then the other um discussion point was we need to
um choose someone or someone has to um volunteer for the search committee for the new town manager Madam chair open that up yes I'd like to nominate Zach to be a representative on the committee
Zack interestes yeah I do okay all right do I have any other nominations all right sounds like this easy vote yeah I'll do a roll call vote um so Phil yes Steve yes Paul yes Trace yes Gavin yes Zach obain Kevin yes uh
APS so ethical yeah and I have a GU as well congratulations then that was easy excellent all right anything else Mike second thanks M we are back Monday
yeah Mike just because of the um the tech we're going to meet here next Monday night as well just so that people on Zoom can actually see what's going on that's where you want Paul SC all
right guess I will take the motion to return moved second second all right Bill yes Steve yes Paul yes Grace yes yes Z yes Kevin yes Paula yeah and I am
a yes as well thanks everyone thank you