##VIDEO ID:3QYm6jaS8jU## thank you everyone welcome to the Norton planning board's meeting of Tuesday November 19th 2024 uh this is a hybrid public meeting so members of the public and members are welcome to join in person or remotely in person we are at the Norton Town Hall 72 East Main Street uh via Zoom the zoom link is available in the meeting agenda or through meeting ID 6389 29106 there's also a phone number for those wishing to dial in directly the meeting will also be available on Norton cable access after the meeting and on the Norton Media Center YouTube page for future meetings please feel free to email questions to the board ahead of the meeting to Brian carmichel Town staff so they can be read into the record and read by the members in advance so with that out of the way I'll call the meeting to order here and as you can as you can see from here uh we are using the sound system here in the room but I would say anybody who for numbers or anybody who comes up to the podium please speak directly into the microphone uh the virtual meeting going out via Zoom is picking up the audio from the room so if you don't speak into the microphone you will not be heard on the zoom so just going through that at the beginning and we'll keep going here uh just for the record we do have five members here in person and one member joining us remotely Rob Welsh go ahead for joining us via zoom and we have Eric Norris myself Steve War La Parker and Alan Boule here in person so in terms of planning board business and policies I don't think we have anything to get to today we do not have any bills and warrants at this time um I do want to bring attention that Brian sent out some minutes for us to approve um I don't think I'm prepared to vote on these minutes this evening does anybody else feel differently I didn't get to them didn't see okay um so let's please make sure that we have that we do take the time to review the minutes over our Thanksgiving break especially when we're trying to avoid talking to relatives we don't like and we'll be ready to look at those at our next session okay um the only other item on our agenda today is continuation of site plan review sp-6 and special permit SP-10 that's for zero Hill Street the owner Premier fence LLC um I'll let the applicant come up here to the Post to just give a presentation on any updates that they've gone over uh and then we'll have additional time for public comment and any questions so sir if you can just please introduce yourself and uh go ahead uh thank you Mr chair for the record L to stano with bowler engineering southw Mass uh similar to the last time we were here uh there only seems to be a few outstanding issues as it relates to traffic that uh still need to be ironed out uh and there's there's been a little bit of movement on that front a meeting with traffic safety commission and some other discussions that have been had uh so what I'd like to do is uh turn the presentation over to Gary MCN with Bowman who can talk a little bit about traffic and some of the things that have transpired since the last meeting thank you thanks and good evening again it's Gary MCN with Bowman Consulting um I know I haven't been at the previous meetings but I'm here to present U kind of what's evolved on the project since the last time uh there was a meeting with the traffic safety commission last week I understand the town planner was in attendance as well as other team members that group unanimously approved the project um felt there were no safety concerns there was a plan that was developed uh that included some warning signage about some the curvature in the roadway uh installing new speed limit signs and I'll talk about that bit more installing some additional signage for blind driveways um and about the trucks entering from this project to try to make people more aware uh make them you know know know those curves are coming and better obey this the speed limit uh there's also right I was going to say do you want us to pull it pull that up on screen so we can see as you're speaking Yeah Paul or Brian if one of you can just pull it up there you're already ahead of me thank you great um so that that's the plan that I was just referring to uh you will notice there is a no right turn coming out of the driveway so that all the trucks are are turning left going down towards the signal uh the one thing that I will notice that was uh not well received by some of the public safety officials was the speed humps uh the actually the installation of those speed humps So the plan would be revised not to include those and any final edits uh changes that came out of that traffic commission um but again other than that that they they did approve the project overall uh the one other element to it is you'll notice that this has a speed limit of 30 m hour my understanding is there's a item on the agenda for the Selectmen for Thursday of this week to consider a 25 mph speed limit posting on the roadway so if that passes then that signage would obviously be changed and updated to reflect that speed limit change yes understood but at this point we would be looking at what the conditions are now correct and and everything we've done is based on not only the 30 mph speed limit but the actual operating speeds that are out there so all the sight lines that have been proposed all the clearing Etc are based on those higher operating speeds okay thank you um other than the speed hump which was not well received um anything else that you wanted to call out from this signage specifically or kind of the overall plan that was discussed yeah as I said in the overview without it on board so you're seeing curve signs you know in advance of the curvature in the roadway um warning drivers of those upcoming curves just making them more aware you know driving the road myself it is fairly obvious the nature of the roadway but those those signs can additionally help ident calling out the excuse me the blind driveway uh where there's some limited sight distance to that driveway and again the trucks entering sign so that folks are aware that those commercial driveways would be in place okay um if you don't mind I'll just say if any of the members have any questions for you on this um so make eye contact here in person and Rob I know you're virtual is there anything you've unmuted did you want to ask a question yes sir um just curiosity the speed homes was the objection their impact on plows um again I wasn't at the meeting but I understand it was more the fire and police and if you want to okay and that's just curiosity it doesn't right it was it was fire police and you know those emergency services and and plowing I would think they would get the plows I was wondering if that was going to become an issue yeah just for my knowledge thanks okay additional questions for members here related to the traffic plan that's the traffic signage that's proposed um specifically obviously we've talked about the traffic volumes at the site and the nature of the road uh a couple of times during this process so okay thank you very much um additional questions from members for the applicant that we wanted to bring up this time otherwise i' see if there's any additional public comments that we wanted to have at this point okay if there's anybody on the zoom meeting uh who would like to speak please I'll ask you to raise your virtual hand through the react function of the zoom meeting otherwise if there are me people here in person who'd like to speak just kind of raise your hand and then call on people and go up to the podium to speak please I was ask that you adjust the microphone and speak right into it so that anybody on the zoom can uh hear it and just state your name and address to the record please Stewart 51 Hill Street um I'm going to go back to what I've been saying all along it's the width of the road it's it is traffic but it's the width of the road it's again it was measured again last week 17.6 in most areas State recommendation is 24 ft that road should be marked no trucks which it hasn't been and we we fought for that for years when crane got theirs and Pine Street got theirs that street cannot handle the truck traffic that we currently have you guys have had the town push back the Shrubbery vegetation 6 fet at least what it allows me to do is drive onto that to get out of the way of a bus a school bus um it's you keep talking about the location where it is where the driveways are going to be it's on a curve you can have signage all you want it's not going to prevent accidents from happening I mean it's the width it's the safety concern and I haven't even touched on the hours of operation and quality of life for the residents on the street you're talking 6 days a week 5:00 a.m. to 7:00 p.m. I think I emailed you and brought those concerns up I haven't even touched on that it's it's a safety concern as far as the width goes and it is traffic so that's all I have thank you thank you Mr anyone else please hi I'm Netta Woods 55 Hill Street the um driveway directly across from where they're going to be coming out with their trucks um my quality of life is going to be ruined I've been here 33 years I own my home I pay my taxes I shouldn't have my quality of life disrupted 6 days a week yeah 5:00 in the morning start so they're going to start rolling in there at what 4:30 quar R it's not fair it's not fair to me my family my foster children that I take care of it's not right and then we're only talking about when the weather is the streets are clear when it starts snowing the road's even smaller it's even smaller it's 17.6 ft width it's going to be even smaller after we stop plowing what's going to happen then a major accident that's what's going to happen and then who's that going to fall on everybody needs to think about that this is a big liability a very big liability thank you Miss anybody else here in the room would like to speak just looking for hands here y please Amy Conley 61 Hill Street um I just want to say too bad we couldn't do both Hill Street treat meetings tonight could have done the one that's for tomorrow night tonight too um anyway um I'll just say ditto to what uh n and Laura have already said we're new to Hill Street but it we have seen certainly blocks of traffic and it is hard to go by a a bus or a truck and not have to swerve and and I I think it's the same thing you can put up as many signs as you want people are going to speed I mean I am at least happy to say that the speed humps have been taken off because I can only picture when those heavy trucks go by I mean our house you know shakes from those really heavy trucks so to have some trucks go by on those boms would really be um pretty loud right in front of our windows so I I just would say did to the same thing I think it's really a safety concern we have lots of bicyclists now people that run on that street because of the rail trail right behind us I just think it's an accident waiting to happen if it's not a bicyclist it'll be cars that are just not going to see each other coming across that corner that's it thank you thank you I'll say again there anybody on the zoom meeting who'd like to speak I ask that you just kind of raise your virtual hand there uh if you need to find the mute button uh I am familiar with rambling until you need need to find it so U just let us know tell that I can't excuse me I can't find my virtual hand but I would like to say something please you say your name and address for the record please sir my my name is Steven Greenwell the mass I um I'm the attorney who represents the owners of the property and uh I've listen to everything that's been said and I'm not unsympathetic to what the neighbors are saying but my understanding of it is that this is a permitted use my understanding of it is that the traffic study did not show much of any increased traffic uh impact on on on the traffic in the area and having met with police with fire with traffic safety on of whom are in support of this I don't understand how you can look at this and and say that this isn't acceptable because you're essentially saying that the land can't be used because it's it doesn't have an impact this is an existing condition and I just uh the applicant has really gone out of their way to try and accommodate in any way way that they can to to make the situation better but this is a permitted use and I I I just it's not like there's going to be heavy traffic going all hours and really changing traffic patters that's just not the case so I just don't know what could be done with this land and how it couldn't be approved because you said it's it's permitted use and they they've done everything that they that they can do comment thank you sir and thank you for your comments the your the applicant is asking us for a special permit for reasons under our bylaw and that's why we're evaluating it um I'm and how we look at that and how we look at a permanent use on an industrially Zone parcel which we understand um everything has to play into what we look at and obviously listening to members of the public who have feedback is part of that process so thank you thank you rob Bally you have the your hand up here uh yes Mr chairman um a couple of things one just for people on the call because I went through this I'm used to teams and zoom was somewhat new to me that hand raise is under the react thing it look the icon looks like a heart it says react if you click on the little up Arrow from that that's where your raised hand is cuz I understand a few lot just having trouble finding it um and then I was also going to mention that um it came attached to one of the emails today there's also a letter from Lori when the person that spoke earlier to just to make sure we draw people's attention to that it's largely what she said here but so that everything does get considered thank you R anyone else either in person or on the uh on the zoom meeting who' like to speak here this evening okay I see I see it too yes just didn't if you wanted me to respond to any of those comments um yeah I mean if you'd like to speak to it you certainly can I know we went through the traffic study and I think that I think there's a difference between does a traffic shud study show a fundamental impact on traffic volumes through the road and will it impact the neighbors obviously there's a there's various levels of degrees there that uh that the board will have to look at and consider but right and we're looking at the roadway operations and you know as we noted in our report there wasn't a a significant impact from a traffic perspective that was pure reviewed which supported the findings and they had a couple of comments that we responded to improved some of the site distance uh based on the higher speeds as a result of that peer review again that peer reviewer was satisfied and then most importantly went to the public and the traffic safety commission all the public safety officials reviewed it and also considered this project to be you know acceptable and unanimously approved it so it feel as though we've addressed the concerns from a traffic operations and safety perspective um I understand there may be other other concerns but I just wanted to make sure that you know that was explained that we did address all of those and consider all those we looked at crash history Etc as part of that process yeah I I I would I would say I thank the applicant for all of the steps that you've taken to accommodate the request that this board has made I think that you have given the use that you're proposing at the location you're proposing it I'm not sure if you could do anything differently it's a matter of of how we view how we evaluate the totality of this at this site um members have any additional questions for the applicant for the engineers here anything further Mr chairman I was just going to clarify we have three waivers also I've only written down three sure um Paul can you just clarify the relief that the applicant's asking for here can I go through all of them please okay so there's actually two special permits one for I'm not sure if you're going to the mic enough as you need so I'll just I may be doing it too much but I don't know I'm I'm not made for this uh but there two special permits one is because the building is over 10,000 ft or 25 parking spaces they also need a special permit for Earth removal as they're over they're proposing over 500 square yards of of fill removal then a site plan approval for because they're over 2500 sare ft and as Alan mentioned there's three waivers uh one for driveway width because they're proposing from 50 ft to 24 ft uh they're looking for a waiver for uh on the landscape buffer area requirements and the parking lots and then finally the scale up up view of the plans just the the map scale that's specified in our bylaw that has been there since what the ' 80s yeah correct okay so with that being said is there any specific clarification that we'd like to get from the applicant on any of those waivers or permits okay not hearing anything from the members here um you see one person prob from the member of the public who wants to just ask a clarify a question here sure Amy Conley again 61 Hill Street um just in regards to what he just said I'm not sure if anyone on the Transportation Commission actually lives on Hill Street it's not about the traffic it's not about the inreased traffic it's about the width of the road and I believe the traffic study already showed that people go way over the 30 mph limit 40 I can actually uh state that we hear how fast people go um we see the trucks that go from the win-win um we hear the 18 wheelers we see the school buses on the street and it's not it's not about the traffic you also have to figure in the the noise Factor we're going to hear more trucks right across the street in the morning we're going to hear them coming in and out of their driveway so it's not about and I understand from what Mr Greenwald said it it is an industrial Zone but this has been an industrial zone for a very long time that on the other side is a residential Zone the this street was not made to be equipped for industrial traffic those buildings that were there were not there when this was bought by the state many many years ago so I understand it's zoned industrial but it doesn't mean it's equipped to handle industrial traffic it certainly doesn't right now and adding to Industrial traffic will not help thank you thank you I did see one of their person on the zoom po their camera on on if they're looking to speak I'll just give them a moment while I ramble here into a microphone and make a fool of myself not that that's anything new um but if they'd like to speak please just raise your hand otherwise I'll turn back to uh members here and again ask if there's any specific related to the relief that the applicant is asking for here um otherwise Rob yes yeah just one more question uh the attorney here um earlier was stressing very much how they met our legal requirements um and uh so um does that mean that um and I'm just going to ask a blunt question if we did not approve this we're Subs we can uh might have to face that in court I mean I don't think we need to get into that hypothetical at this point but I think that at once we I think that once we close the public hearing that something that we would I would go back to uh Paul I think your initial memo on this kind of laying out with an allowed use on the site what is our decision and what are our criteria to evaluate I'm going to take it back for now Tim I can rephrase this in a way it's not a hypothetical but um I think it'd be more appropriate in the conversation you just alluded to okay okay I'm not seeing any further questions from from the board here I'll ask if the applicant wants to come up did they pop out of their room there I think they may have popped out of the room here um try to kill time then as you've been doing I was just going to ask if there was anything else they wanted to add to the record or whether they would be comfortable with the board closing the public hearing at this point yeah I don't so that's maybe a question that U here they come back so um so I'll just say the at this point if the board doesn't have any additional questions I'll ask if the applicant if there's anything else that they would like to add to the record or they would be comfortable with the board closing the public hearing at this point and again closing the public hearing would mean that we would not accept any further comments from the applicant with saying that we feel that we have heard from members of the public what we think we need to hear at this point to make a decision so so I always like to get the applicants check mark before we moov to close the public car yeah the only thing I would add with regards to the width of the roadway and again that was factored into the review um on all fronts but you know it kind of cuts both ways the wider the roadway the higher the speed you know myself driving in here came up Hill Street 30 mph speed limit then turned on to South Washington Street 30 mph speed limit much more comfortable to drive faster on Washington Street so you know given this and it's not a heavy industrial use it's not tractor trailers constantly in and out it's much more contractor based vehicles and that this roadway can handle those vehicles um and you a wider roadway May in fact cut the other way and increase speeds and potentially decrease safety for residents and for some of those bikers and the other uses that are happening on the street so trying to strike that right balance and some of those mitigation measures with the signage trying to better you know make drivers more aware of those the appr speeds and the conditions were all things that we've tried to do to mitigate any impact on the project and improve the operations on the roadways yeah understood that you have made those adaptation as best you can but obviously the um and you've been forthright about what the volumes from the business would be in the hours and all of that yeah uh thank you uh I think at this point given uh what we know to be the issues and and where we've been uh the applicant is at a point where they feel that they've done everything that they can to again mitigate the perceived impacts of the project on the roadway uh so at this point you know knowing that we've had our Traffic Engineers we've had the town's peer review engineer we've had the traffic safety commission all look at this we proposed offsite improvements that all are designed to again help mitigate this procedure impa to the roadway so at this point again I don't think there's any sense in carrying on or continuing the hearing so the app is requesting that the hearing be closed and ultimately a vote be taken thank you thank you so again from members here is there anything further we'd like to ask the applicant or get from any other source prior to that motion otherwise we usually have plenty of people ready to make a motion almost motion to close the public hearing on special permit number 10 and site plan review number six second may we have a motion from Laura and a second from Alan any further discussion on the motion to close the public hearing okay I we'll go through the RO for a vote so Eric I'll start with you yes Steve yes yes Laura yes Alan yes BR yes and I will vote Yes so the public hearing is now closed um do members feel that they are want to continue discussion this evening we can continue discussion and have a vote at later date I'm comfortable taking a vote tonight okay same same okay Paul do you want to just bring up your initial memo here um I'm not sure if you want to pull it up on screen that may be helpful just to lay out kind of um from a planning perspective from an as of right use uh or an allowed use on an industrial site um but they are asking for discretionary special permits at this point so um okay I'm just pulling that up um so with the special permit regarding the building being over 10,000 square ft there are there's no specific criteria that you have for this as you do I'll explain with the with the Earth removal so the the standards are typically is it socially and economically desirable would it satisfy an existing need the do the advantages of The Proposal outweigh by far any detrimental effects that such effects on the neighborhood environment shall not be significantly greater than could be expected from development if the permit or special permit were denied that the applicant has no reasonable Alternatives and that specific conditions to minimize detrimental effects and protect the neighborhood have been imposed if necessary secured by Bond or otherwise uh for the special permit it's primarily that the removal of the fill does not have a detrimental effect on the surrounding land uses nor will will it have an adverse environmental impact the standards for um for site plan are similar but again this is a non-discretionary approval so that means if the bullet boxes are checked you would need to approve the site plan so with with uh site planning we look at issues such as uh parking Landscaping uh traffic um you know uh uh sorry I'm just going through the storm water of course and other environmental impacts and then the requested w NE as we've gone over it again they're looking to reduce the uh industrial driveway width of a two-way street from 50 to 24 ft and then they have their buffering requirements for both between the building and the street as well as the parking lots and that was largely driven by the existing vegetative existing vegetation that's on Hill Street now okay but in terms of kind of as the the it's attorney was speaking to from as a allowed use in industrial Zone and guidance from the to the board in terms of how we look at that um so if this building had been under 10,000 square ft this would be a a site plan approval no special perment at all no it triggered it because of the the size of the project which uh went over 10,000 square ft and then the fill the Earth roval aspect of it but the use itself was is allowed by right a warehouse use is allowed by R an industrial and this would be warehouse and Manufacturing as well yes mhm okay Rob I see you have your hand up in the zoom I'll ask if you just wanted to I do but um you guys the time you're doing I think is starting to answer my question and I'm going to rephrase I think you know what I was trying to ask a minute ago um I'm sorry I was getting a pop up about my hand um I think you know where I was trying to go I'll rephrase that is the le as you know there can be points where we sort of don't have a legal right to say no if they've met all legal requirements and it's you know by all of that and so when I'm trying to ask some more technical question Paul you might even be the best you're the most familiar with how these rules work are we in one of those positions where we sort of um we can be challenged for say no basically I'm trying to figure out a phrase that I don't want to sound like I feel like the attorney was stressing that point a few times so I just want to that's what he's paid to do by any decision you render on any project whether you supported or not is subject to an appeal by any party but right by by any party of Interest so it could be an applicant it could be an abutter it could be someone who's not an abutter but requested uh to be part of this whole process yeah I'm not sure if then have come up since you've joined the board Rob but I think I've been sued five times six times at least I get two I think I have one already too but that's okay okay yeah but I'm just curious you know I'm just is that kind of in play that's what I was trying to figure out yeah but techn and I mean more in the technical sense not what people intend to do from the criteria that you laid out Paul the Earth removal has specific conditions yes tied to environment and those kind of and surrounding area the size special permit of the use is the is the discretionary permit that is the question and that falls back to our St our core special permit conditions correct correct okay am I good to make a comment Steve please all right so we're we're up for two things here two special permits uh one is for the scale of the project the size of the building the amount of vehicles and I think in our commercial and Industrial zoning that special permit for scale is the most important mechanism we have in that chart cuz it lets us hold back by right uses or special permit uses from going too far so I think making use of that when it's important to is our prerogative uh and then for the Earth removal not so much taking the Earth but when I look at this project the site plan almost all of the Landscaping the added Earth the fill that they bring in after the Project's done is far into the 100 foot Wetland buffer zone and that will be radically changed then that's far beyond where the building itself is or the parking lot and there's a whole two drainage systems that are out in the 100t buffer it I think it does exceed what is necessary or available as a by right use I think the comparable industrial projects on that road one used to be a landfill and now there's two solar Farms they don't receive traffic except for maintenance workers once in a while and that might be the appropriate scale of industrial use for this type of land of of area uh and I think further along uh Hill Street might want a petition to become a Scenic Road CU in our town bylaw we have that and like Bay Road is one of the scenic roads it's protected from overdevelopment Scenic roads have a whole bunch of bylaws associated with them I think I remember we had to notice a tree a few years back for a Scenic Road we had to put the notice on the tree because it was a very special tree they can't cut down the big trees without the tree War stone walls yeah trees and stone walls the trees is the on I remember the most yes okay addition is that places where some of the places I drove Hill Street and I even went and did it again and there are some spots where you are kind of tuing your car right up around a tree staying on the road is that saying there's a restriction they could could never go remove those trees to make it safer not without permission from our tree warding which in the town of nordon is the highway department fair enough yeah okay additional comments questions for Paul or for others based on the application and the relief that they're seeking I guess my only question would be do you want to take both these special permits separate the Earth removal separate from the separate yes cuz they have different criteria correct cuz the Earth removal has its own Earth removal criteria and the other ones are core special permit criteria correct and then incorporate the waivers into the let's see the site plan we have for the scale and the other waivers are for parking and they're all s plan related items correct so yes the waivers tied to the S so additional questions comments we we do have the option if we want to delay a decision to a future meeting that's our that's our choice I'm ready to go I'm ready I personally would like chance but you know I'm going to kind of go with a majority on that understood Laura you wanted to say something yeah I just wanted to piggyback on what Steve had mentioned um in terms of the Norton bylaw was adopted for the purposes of promoting health safety convenience and the welfare of the inhabitants and to encourage the most appropriate use of the land for the purposes stated in chapter 4A of the laws and I would like to point out uh which I have before that this board is not opposed to appropriate Industrial Development on this road we have approved another applicant who wanted to move their headquarters to Norton on the parcel right next door also to the sugar of the residential Butters I would just like to add um but we ultimately did approve that so um I would just like to demonstrate that we are listening but size and scope matters thank you Laur thank you any other comments questions otherwise if there's any mo action or motion from Members I'll make a motion to approve the Earth removal special permit with standard conditions seconded they have a motion and second to approve the Earth removal specific special permit and again the conditions for approval on that Paul if I can just make you say those one more time I'd love to hear your voice so for the special permit for Earth removal um sh the planning board the special permit shall be issued unless the planning board determines the operation will not not have a detrimental effect on the surrounding land uses and that no adverse environmental conditions will be created as a result of the operation thank you so we have a motion in a second further discussion on that motion okay I'll go through the rooll one more time Eric I'll start with you no Steve no Laura yes Alan yes Rob no and I will vote Yes so I believe we are out yes yes so I it was 3 to three I'll make us motion to approve the special perit for the building over 10,000 square ft and 25 or more parking spaces with the listed conditions second it okay we have a motion and a second to for in the affirmative correct correct to approve with standard conditions okay any further discussion on that motion okay I'll go through the role here again Eric no Steve no Laura no Alan no BR and I will W know as well okay I'll make a motion to approve the do you want to do the site plan anyway yes Paul should we proceed on the site plan at this point yes make a motion to approve site plan six with the three requested Raiders seconded there a motion and a second to approve the site plan in the affirmative with the three stated waivers for the map scale Landscaping requirements and is the parking correct correct correct okay any further discussion on that motion actually it was driveway with the landscape of scale to be specific driveway with not parking I was close correct you're were close I'm sorry the uh parking it's a landscaping buffer for both between the building and the street and also the uh the Landscaping requirements within the parking lot okay thank you for the clarification additional comments on the motion specific okay and on the site plan Eric I'll go to you again no Steve no Laura no Allan yes Rob no and I will vote Yes believe that was two to four okay okay I believe that's all the Motions that we need on this application um Paul we can work on finalizing decision and get that posted um and S any further we can continue okay okay is there anything else anybody wanted to that closes our action on this item is there anything else that we wanted to discuss in this session SE motion to adjourn seconded I just want to comment you guys look good thanks no seriously they're in the real room all stop I didn't know that was coming looks like a board meeting you didn't see a scramble around trying to make sure the microphones are working and everything else 5 minutes before we started so don't take that as a joke your presentation is good that's what I'm trying to tell you thank you can you hear okay yes very well everything the only comment I just s it shoot it to you Paul is that you can't see people at the podium I feel like you know as far as they're presenting that undercuts them a little if we could ever get a camera item angle that picks that up too it would be a good thing yeah it'll be there for the media center recording cuz they have the camera on the other side okay yeah and eventually this room and and uh one a conic will be fully operational in terms of audio and video so what you're seeing Rob is actually off of a laptop but when it's fully operational they'll have cameras they'll have remote cameras that'll pick up everything you're still doing the laptop thing I'm actually impressed with how well it's working yeah this is my first time seeing it through the you know this angle this perspective I'm using in the room yeah any I don't want to take up more time I just one tell you the presentation is coming up well thank you so we have a motion in a second to adjourn all in favor I I I I opposed extensions okay we are adjourned thank you very much everybody have a good evening