Okay, I'd like to call the uh board of assessors meeting for Tuesday, January 20th to order. Um, present is director of assessing Denise Ellis, clerk Mike Mason, member Lucas Ray, and myself,
Rick Dorny. Um, why don't we start out with the acceptance of minutes from the last meeting? I did have a chance. Did everyone review those? >> Yep. >> All good. Yep. >> Okay. Good. Excellent.
Um, next on the agenda is uh business, old business. Do we have anything? >> Um, not really. Just um that so the clause 22G they haven't voted on yet.
>> They haven't voted. >> They have nothing I've heard. >> Really? >> Okay. We uh that was we uh presented to the select board um at their last meeting and uh it was pretty brief. Uh
we went over it. Again, it it applies to veterans. And what it does is it allows the veterans to uh put their home or property where they're living into a a trust providing um they will uh be on
the trust as well. Um and they would be uh living there. So, they would still continue the uh their um uh exemption. Okay. All right. Any other business we need to address? >> Um I'll just give you a bit an update on
the abatements. Right now, we have eight as of today. >> Eight abatements. >> Yep. >> And is that residential, commercial, mix? >> Both. Yep. Mix >> total. Okay. I know we usually get a lot of commercials kind of just by wrote every
year. >> Yeah. >> Um they submit the form >> and those will all come in at the end of the month probably. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> All right. New business. >> Yeah. I got a few things about the abatements, you know, actually uh tips and notes here. Okay. We're going to discuss.
So, as far as uh you know, the real estate tax abatement's going, if a homeowner uh disagrees with the valuation, I just want to basically um state the process because I've been through it a few times and I know the process. So, >> okay, >> if a homeowner disagrees with the valuation of the home, they have the option to fill out a real estate
abatement. Uh the process is pretty simple. Goes to the assessor's office. They pick up an application, fill it out, and drop it off. Those applications are then reviewed by the assessor and then presented to the member of the board of three members of the board of assessors. Um we then review them and
determine if any adjustments to the valuation should be applied. The system that's in place should be very fair process because the person who sets the valuations of the homes is not the person who approves or denies the abatements. uh in the past the previous
uh boards have approved or denied the real estate abatements based on the recommendations of the assessor. That's not the way we should be operating. As a board, we owe it to the taxpayers to review each application individually and determine if they're valued accurately. That said, I'd like to address some of
the issues I've been made aware of by taxpayers in town in the last couple weeks. I've had over a dozen folks message me about issues they have when faced when trying to apply for an abatement. Uh upon asking for an application, folks
are first asked by the staff if the in the assessor's office uh for their address and asked why they want to apply for an abatement. On several occasions, the clerk has informed taxpayers that they should talk to Denise before applying and she can explain to them
changes to the valuation. On one occasion, a customer went in on Friday and Denise wasn't working in the office that day. So, the clerk looked up the valuation herself, informed the taxpayer that the increase in her home's valuation was normal and fell in line with the other homes in town. On a
separate occasion, the clerk told a different taxpayer that there is a lot of misinformation out there in regards to abatements and it's not worth filing because it's a waste of time and you'll most likely be denied anyway. On a third occasion, the same clerk told the taxpayer they shouldn't apply for an
abatement because they got an abatement last year. That woman left without an application and told me she felt pressured to leave. Uh she was going to come back with her husband. So I guess my question is for Denise. Um are you aware that this is going on in your
office? >> Um I know >> and did you authorize the staff to take these actions when people come in for an application? >> That is not what we do. They come in, we ask them for their address, we say, "Why do you want to file the abatement, we go over their card with them, give them the
they want an application. Everybody's welcome to fill out the application. We don't care. U we just go over it with them and tell them what we have and the process of what they need to do." Um, we never tell anybody they can't fill out an abatement. Everybody's entitled to fill out the baitment and bring it back. >> But, but do you feel like it's your, you
know, yourself and the clerk's um job? You don't feel like you're overstepping your role when you try to convince people not to pull? We're not trying to convince anybody. We're just going over the card because people when when there's a thing out there saying go file for an an abatement and people come in, I said, "Okay, what do you want to file the abatement for? Do you think it's
overvalued?" "Well, I don't know." So we So we get their info. Let me finish. We get their card for them. I go over their card and I said, "Do you think it's overvalued?" Yes or no. I do. Okay. Well, this is what you need to do if you do. No, I think it looks okay. Do you want an application? No. And they leave.
So it's up to them. I mean, we don't care. >> Okay. But do you think it's the job of the clerk in the assessor's office to be running comps, determine evaluation? >> She doesn't do that. And I don't know who's telling you that, but that's not true. I hear in my office, >> I'll be honest with you, Denise, I get it on audio, >> okay, >> from several people. I got recordings
and it is legal in the state of Massachusetts to record a public official in a public office. And I have tape recordings of your clerk doing this to several taxpayers >> and she might be a little confused because she does know that. Um, you know, everybody can file. Everybody can file. >> I don't know if she's getting any
direction from you. >> No, she's not. She knows that everybody file. She might be confused. Oh, she's confused. So, she's I don't know. But I'll ask her about that, but I don't think >> I want to know. Is it the job of the board of assessors to make the final determination on abatements or is it the
job of the clerk in the assessor's office? >> The clerk doesn't do anything. All she's doing is getting in information and trying to >> So, she shouldn't be running comps. She shouldn't >> She doesn't run comps. We We don't I don't >> I have her on tape running comps. >> N >> I do not audio. No, no. I'm going to I'm
going to finish this one. I got her on audio recording that the >> tax Where'd she get the comps from? >> She She ran her own comps. >> No, absolutely not. >> She was in the office. She >> I want to hear that. She put it on right now. She looked at I will get everything over to the town manager and I'm going
to get everything over it. She She >> That's not true. >> She looked at the valuation. She doesn't even know how she said the home went up at five I think 5% which is normal comps. >> Um and then she she influenced this person not to pull their application.
>> We would never I got this from a couple. >> We will never pull comps in my office. We tell everybody everything is online. It's up to them to pull the comps. We would never do that. I know for a fact she doesn't do it. She doesn't have time to do that. >> She she shouldn't be informing folks that their home is overvalued or
undervalued even. No. Okay. So she's she's mistaken. She can tell them that this is what we have a valued at and this is what you paid for it. >> Should she be telling folks that there's misinformation out there and that it's a waste of time to pull an abatement? >> She can tell people there's misinformation out there because somebody is putting misinformation out
there. >> So I was the only one that put misinformation out there. So why don't So why don't we take this and continue it? Um get you you get the facts, >> we'll discuss it and then maybe why
don't we consider putting something um as far as a process online. >> So I was going to recommend that I would like to see the applications >> what it is steps the steps >> just like every other permit application or application in town. Why aren't the
abatement applications on the nonmass.org? Why can't you just go down and download this application? >> You could do it on the state website. We don't do it because I like to talk to people and they come in. >> You like to Can I finish talking and let me explain because you have no clue how this even
works. People come in, they have no idea what's going on because they're get the assessments go up. We sit there and we explain it to them what's happening. Okay? I don't put them online because then people just print them out. They send them in, then we can't get in contact with them because part of the
abatement process is to do an inspection. >> Exactly. >> Right. And a lot of people, and when I tell people that, a lot of people say, "Oh, forget it. I don't want you at my house." So, it's up to them if they want to do it, but a lot of people won't bring >> Why don't we Let me ask you this. Are you looking at every single home that makes you make an
adjustment on? >> Like, when you make an adjustment yearly, you guys make an adjustment. Does each property do you look at each property and say, "Okay, this home went up $20,000." Or do you just Some of these homes just see a different increase cuz some homes are going up 5%, some are going up 25%.
>> It's so it again, I've explained this to you many times. There's so many different factors. It's all about the style of the house, the age, the condition, you know, do you have a finished basement? Do you have garages? >> That would mean you'd have to look at each individual property before you raise >> valuations. No, not at all. So because
there's factors that we have built into the software and it tells us when we're putting all these code we have codes we put all the codes in and once the values start going up they're looking at all those and depending on what those codes they will you know trigger something
else. So not every home is exactly the same. Every home is going to go up differently. >> You have to make sure it's all the card is accurate. Okay. >> You have to make sure the cards. >> So, I pulled I pulled a 5-year uh property card records of my neighbor's home. So, just for one instance, this is
why I asked both each individual home. This home is in tear down condition. The home has been condemned. The home in 2021 was valued at 300 grand. The home is now valued at $455,000. This home doesn't have heat, doesn't have water. The home has been condemned
by the board of health. >> It's not occupied. >> No. The home is a tear down and has been for probably the last 30 years. Yet, in the last five years, the valuation of this home has gone up $155,000. I look at this home every day. I look out the window cuz it's right next to me. That home is a tear down. It has
been a tear down for probably the last 20 years. >> But somebody's living in it and nobody calls us and nobody calls us to go out and take a look at it. >> So, that's the problem. That's what I'm saying. So, you just automatically assume because there's that property increases every year. How does that property increase when it's a tear down? Because first of all, it's not a tear
down because somebody's living in it. So >> it is a tear down. >> Well, no condemned. It's a tear down. >> It is. Well, right now, because the health department condemned it. I know all about this property. So now, yeah, the value is lower because they condemned it. But if people aren't calling us to have us come out and take a look take a look at the house, I don't
know what the condition of the house is. >> This house is on Route 140. You drive by it every day. No, I don't. You can't miss it. It's over. >> I don't go out and I'm on the road all day long. I don't sit there and look at every single house in town. >> This home has gone up. This this value
$6,000 a year in real estate taxes. She can't afford her bill. She's behind on her taxes and you guys raise her valuation every year 30 to 40 grand. >> Do Do you think we know what everybody's personal life is and what everybody's house looks like on the inside? Of course we don't. How do we even know
that consideration when you say you can't afford her taxes and you're raising her taxes every year just because you can? That's what the market's calling for. So, >> the market's calling for her home. I think what you need to do is tear down. The market's calling for a tear down to go up 15.
>> You need to go take some classes and understand appraising evaluation. >> I went to Boston against you 5 years in a row and I beat you every not doing your job. The staff is overstepping here. Not Not your full staff. Just your >> cler. She's overstepping. Okay.
>> And she she works under your discretion. She works under you. >> So the the everything falls on your lap. >> So we're going to do is create a process. >> I I don't think it's done intentionally. >> Do you? >> I do. Absolutely. I do. Absolutely. >> I think the permit applica I think these
applications for abatement should be online so people don't feel pressured. They're online >> on the Norton on the Norton site. >> They're not. And they're not. The reason why is because we have to schedule people when they come in >> because you want to talk to them and you want to convince them otherwise. >> No, I want to talk to them and find out what's going on and I have to talk to
them. >> And we have a folder on the wall where these applications are in a folder. You walk in, you pick it up. Like every other office in this building, I go into the building department, I get what I want. I go online, I print out what I want. Assessors, I got to come in and ask. I went in on Friday or Thursday, whatever, to get three applications the
other day, and I was given a hard time by Kelly. One guy lives in Florida. He he can't get an application. He called me, said, "There's not online." I said, "I'll pick you up. I'll pick you up an application." The other two were people that came in already, were deterred. They were intimidated, and they left without him. And I said, "I'll pick them up for you." I came in, asked for three
applications. I was asked what the addresses were. I said, "The addresses will be on the applications when they returned." And I was given a hard time by her staffer. Snapped at me, gave me a hard time. I said, "Listen, I'm just here to get some application. It doesn't matter what the addresses are." >> Okay? >> So, I shouldn't have to go through that. I'm used to it, so I don't care. But
nobody should go through that. And some elderly woman coming in, some 85y old woman should not be pressured by her and her staff. >> She isn't to not absolutely not. >> I don't think the office >> we have. We work with seniors all day long. We love our seniors. We would
never do that to them. So you're just making stories up at this. >> I got it on audio. I got it on. Let's just move on. >> Let's just go. >> Okay. >> Such crap. >> Um it is such you're doing it. People talk about this. you're doing to people is the crowd. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Next, Denise. >> Um, Fender Bills. >> I'm going to shut that door on the mute. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We have one one bill from >> KP. Well, we go into executive session. We
can leave another room with you guys. >> I don't know. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Okay. We got monthly list. These ones are for December. These are the exemptions that were approved.
>> Okay. And then this monthly list is the um motor vehicle I think. Yeah, motor vehicle. I'm just trying this report. So this is a report for um these report of all the exemptions but
these were put in before the bills went out. So this is just for um finance office so they they have an idea what was on there because of the software change. It doesn't come up for them anymore. So he just wants that from you guys just confirming. I already voted on
those. >> Yeah, >> he did them back in the fall and this is just a list for him for accounting reasons. So it didn't get caught on the last text. >> No, it's on there. So everything's been in there, but he doesn't get this list
um when they've gone the bills early because of this new software. The old software they we used to be able to get the list for him. So this is just a list showing him that these were already put in but at a different time. He just needs it for um accounting reasons. >> This is James.
>> James needs that. Yeah. Okay. Just away from them. Okay. Now we have the um the real estate and personal property warranting commitments. This is the total value of the taxes along with the betterments um
all the uh water leans the income and expense penalties and all that stuff. And I think Lucas before you last time with the preliminaries you asked where the value came from. This is the um the form um that has all the values on
it right here that we use the LA4. So this all goes together. >> And then these are just the um ones the other ones to sign for these things there. I'm just going to go with These
actually go together. This one behind it. >> Mhm. And these are the ones. >> Yeah, this gets all the treasur's office. >> Yeah. Um, so um that'll go to the treasure these are all a copy will go to
the treasur's office and the finance office. >> Yeah. Okay. Oh, you know what I think I have in here? Sorry. I lost right here. >> We don't need to do anything in the gateway for this, right? In DLS.
>> Uh, no, we don't have to do anything in the gateway. We're all done with the gateway for the year. This Heat. Heat. Those are all kind of stuff. >> Yeah. That's it. And this here is a um a
payment for a betterment. So we just have to sign off on >> I think it's not a payoff. It's just um they're making payment on their betterment. >> Yeah. Okay. Yep. 90.
Yeah, this is from the West Main >> Yeah. >> project. >> Um, a lot of people just come on in and make like one big payment. >> Yeah. >> Like just to try to get the thing paid off. >> Yeah. >> Are they just still sitting out there? Can you see them? Everyone just milling
out there. >> Okay. What? >> Okay. >> And then we're going to have some chapter land. >> Yep. >> Okay. >> So, I have chapter land applications.
these ones. Um there are see 12 of the 61A. >> Mhm. >> There any new? >> Um I don't think so. Um
>> I think we do have one new one in there that's listed. Um well, it's been in Chapter Land and then they sold it. And this one that's in there um has to stay in chapter land through the state it's estate program. >> Um so that has to stay in and those people have signed the paperwork to stay
in it after the original owners sold it. >> You want to hand me some of those can break them up? >> Yeah. >> And the one that um has to stay in it, that's a program through the state, not through the town. the original one.
>> This is 61A here. >> Oh, and then there's a notice of action, too. So, once you guys sign it, then yeah, >> we do the notice of action. >> There's total of 13. >> Uh, actually, that's wrong. There's going to be 12 61A.
I don't think Fe I don't think the person that does that told the other person that they get split up and And you want me to update this today? >> Sure check. probably
sign them both. Okay. So, this one. >> So, this is the This is the one that's going through. This is the Riley one. >> Yes. >> Okay. >> That one is the new owner. Um, it's taking over. >> Okay.
Um, second side. off. This goes with that. Like this. Hold on. There's two here. This is one. This is the other one. This
goes with this. Okay. It's good thing they still ask about dog racing on the form just in case. Guess need to update their forms a little bit. for just confirming that we have all these
ones. We get back to the evidence should be in line. All right. There should be a total of 12 here. Correct? >> I think >> I might have she had 13. I counted 12.
>> Yep. I think you're missing on this this one here. I believe is goes with this. There's also these are these one of the same this JWLC and this uh
>> what address you got? >> That should make 12. This should be that'll make 12. These are duplicates. >> No. >> No. >> Is that what numbers are? Three lopes. >> Two lopes. >> Two lopes. This is three loops.
>> Okay. Okay. So that's 13. I think that be actually 13. >> 13. So I probably counter one. I couldn't find the 13th one. All right. And these are 61Bs. These are the recreational ones. >> Mhm. >> Uh these aren't on the agenda, right?
>> Yeah. No, they're not. I don't I think No, they're not. I don't know if she put all these in after. So we'll make a note that these were done after. So there's a total of one, two, three,
four, five, six. Seven. Looks like seven. >> Seven. That's what I counted. Yep. >> Okay. Is these golf properties country club fun? It's got to be right. Sarah Oak
Street. Yeah, Oak Street. Think one of those metal work. And these are um 61A. Those are forestries. They're not on there either. So, I'm going to put them under other business.
>> Yeah, >> these ones don't have a whether or not they were allowed granted. See how this one's allowed was granted. Yeah. >> Are you talking about the act the um the white sheet? Yeah,
>> I think it's going to be for all three of those together. There's two or three that were together. That one sheet might be for all of them. >> Yeah. Northeast Golf. >> These are all got the wrong. Okay. So, these are all each property. So we have four. Is that
right? Four forestry. >> You're going to have four forestry. One is a renew one. So a new one. >> Yeah. This is the northeast. You got those two way.
except four forestries. >> Yeah. 61's These are the 10-year plans. >> Mhm. >> This one is new. 10 10 years. >> Yeah. Well, sort of new. So it was in 8 years ago. Then the parents passed away and now the kids have taken over and
that's their plan. >> Okay. There's a lot Please, what happened to the ceiling tiles? Do you know >> the what? >> What happened with the ceiling tiles? >> I don't know. cuz that one looks like it's given up, too. >> I wonder if they're just doing
work in here. I know they were doing stuff for the TV and everything. I I don't know. I'll uh let the building people know though, see what's going on.
Mr. >> Yep. Didn't know this was there. Big chunk at the end of the framework. I got to sign this guy too. Chick Hello. Keep going forward.
So, this is Union Mood and this is Battle Street. >> Well, the Riley don't really Oh. Oh, that's a different person. >> No. >> Oh, that might be their mailing address. >> Okay, >> that's probably their mailing address.
Yeah, it's a mailing address. >> Mailing address. Yeah. go together. Okay. Go together. >> Those those are together. Um, this one. >> We missed that one.
sign back. Over Here. Okay, Lucas has got a sign here. Okay. So, two, three, four, total of five. Correct.
That's um these are 60 W. This is 60 W Okay. Um, that's all I have. Then we have to go into executive. Do you guys are going to vote on these? We >> vote on all those. Yeah, we have our >> How many? I lost count. Uh,
>> so what we have is um you make you can make uh I'll ask for the motion. You can make uh 12 61 A's. uh 8 861Bs
and 561. So 861B recreation, 561 forestry and um 61A was 13, correct? >> Yes. >> Oh, 6 is 13. Okay.
>> All right. So, um >> All right. So, I'll make a motion to >> like to make Yep. approve 1361A applications, 861B applications, and 561 applications. >> Is there a second? >> Second. >> Okay. All those in favor?
Unanimous. >> Okay. Now, we will need to go in executive session. >> Uh yes. >> How many real estate and commercial abatements do we have? Do we have those tonight? >> We have a couple tonight. We have >> abatements. Abatements. I have no you don't have any. >> No, we have
>> I think Denise mentioned she had eight. >> We have a total of eight of >> No, eight that have come into files. >> Yeah. So, we'll get >> uh at the end of the season kind of programmatically the commercial properties all just
>> so I'll need to review those before I correct sign on you. Right. >> So, I just don't want to come to a meeting and have those put in front of me and say they're Denise wants to approve. Usually what we do is we'll discuss it >> discuss. I think each property should be looked at individually.
>> If you want to table it for a f future, we can do that as well. >> Yeah, I think we should. Every property deserves, you know, us to look at individually. >> Okay. >> And I also think, you know, I'd like to, >> you know, I'd like to decide amongst the
board, you know, whether or not we should get this applications online. You know, I understand that the tax is opposed to it. But I think we should I think we should maybe do it. >> I don't know if she's opposed to it. That's what she said. >> I'm not opposed to it. I mean, we can do it. We've done it before. It just runs into a problem. That's why we don't do
it anymore because people cuz people fill them out. They email them, which they're not allowed to do, which we're not supposed to accept them. We do, but they're not supposed to email them in. And then um then we have to try to schedule appointments. And then nobody ever gets back to us. They don't leave
their phone number on there, and they don't fill out their emails. Well, that's kind of a cop out, you know. >> Well, that's just No, it's not a cop out. Let me finish. Let me finish explaining. And when they're when we can't get in touch with them, then we can't do an inspection and then you have to deny it. So, if they come in that
way, we're talking to them and said, "Okay, now you need to schedule an appointment. When do you want to do it?" That's up to them. Some say, "I'll get back." >> They're also, you know, then they have to answer the questions. They get pressured into all these >> They don't get pressured to do anything. >> Yeah. Why don't we put a almost like a
Gant chart a process in place? So this is the application can't move forward unless this one and two were done. >> I think the application should be online >> and I think you know if somebody does decide they want to come into the office
for the application there should be no questions asked. It should be like can I get an application for an abatement? Here you go. Have a nice day. They can fill out their application. Then you'll have time to review your the application and then you can proc it to the board. You shouldn't be making the decisions in that office and you should
>> The problem is somebody comes in to fill out an application, we ask them because what's what's the issue? Do you think there's something wrong with the card? >> Well, I don't know. Let's go over the card. Does this look right or wrong? No, that's wrong. That's wrong. Okay, so now what's the problem? Is it a data issue? We can fix those. No problem. Or is
everything looking right? Yes. Okay. Well, now you have to go to the next step and do the comps. We're in there to explain to people the process and how to do it. >> People come in and they say they got a problem with their valuation and then they say, "Well, no, your valuation is fair. Here's your your valuation went up
in line with other homes in town." That's not your decision and that's not our staff's decision. And we tell them and if you want to go, they take an application, you can go online. Everything is online for you to review. That's where all the comps are and
that's where all the assessments are. That's that's the speech we give to everybody that comes in. >> When I come in and I ask for an application for a building permit, they don't say for what. >> They just they just hand me the application. >> Well, that's the building department. It's totally different than the assessor's office. >> Let's see what we have now as as a
system of the things we have. >> Let's see what we have now as the office the system and the office. Let's review it. let's see what we can do to improve it and um put some checks and balances in and I agree the the
application but just they have to understand there's a process that they when they get the application they have to return it right >> right because a lot of people don't understand it they I mean they're they're seeing online okay come get an application for an abatement and I'll
say okay what do you want to abate quite sure >> then they should but the application They can take an application, but that doesn't, you know, >> I don't see an issue. >> If I have a someone taxpayer come in, oh, my valuation went up $80,000. Okay.
Well, the clerk, Kelly, should not be answering as to why that valuation went up $80,000. They say, "Okay, well, I feel like that was excessive." Well, it's not excessive. It falls in line with other homes in the area. That's not her decision to make. >> But that's true. That is not her
decision to make, though. us as a board to make that decision. >> It's not a decision. >> It's us to educate. >> We all the all the prices go up every year. >> Exactly. And we get and we vote as to whether or not that evaluation's fair. Not Kelly and not not but that's when they that's when they actually put in
the abatement. But as far as everyone getting their bills with their value going up, that stuff just happens. But if somebody feels like they're not getting a fair shake and the valuation has gone up too much and they want to file an abatement, they shouldn't have to come in and answer a bunch of questions. I agree from from clerk with it
>> and and from Denise and they shouldn't be influenced into not pulling an application which they have been and you know I can prove that >> several folks have have been deterred and been and been bullied out of that office. >> Well I I mean >> we don't bully anybody.
>> I don't think that's the but I'm going to say that they should have the the the right for due process. >> Exactly. That's not and then you know you know someone like myself or you know somebody else another fell I know went in he was fine he said no I want my I
want my abatement and she said and and the staff said you know I don't think you should get it is misinformation all this garbage he said I want it anyway so he got it so another woman came in and she was she was intimidated and left without it so it shouldn't happen like that >> so fill it up do your work we'll do our
job and if it's if it's do an abatement we we'll give to them. So, they're not what we want. >> So, get back to your point on the building the building permit. Anyone can go in, get the permit. It's just a piece of paper until you fill that out, pay your pay your uh permitting fee and it's
been reviewed, right, by >> Yeah. >> Anybody can go in and abatement as well. >> Well, anybody that owns the property can, but doesn't mean they're going to get it, >> but it's a process. So that, you know, anyone can go get a building permit, but
it's just a piece of paper until it's filled out, until it's reviewed by the building inspector's office. You uh get the go-ahad, right? So, it's three or four building inspector signs off on it.
>> Correct. And then you're given the gas number. >> Exactly. >> Just like we sign off on the abatements. >> Denise doesn't sign off on the abatements. Kelly doesn't sign off on the abatements. Right. >> We sign off on the bait. >> Correct. >> So, if somebody wants to fill out an abatement, let them fill out an abatement. And just because they fill it out doesn't mean they're going to get
it. But at least they have they're not intimidated. >> I don't see why that that I I agree. I don't see where it's an issue now. I mean, it's not an issue in our office. I don't know why when people are driven out of there and intimidated and told >> we would never drive any on record. I
got three recordings on. >> Let's hear it. Put it on. Let's hear it then. If you say you have it, put it on. I I want to hear it right now. send it to you. >> No, I want to hear it right now. Show Let's Let everybody hear it. >> It's going to the town manager and it's going to >> All right, let's let's move on. Let's move on into executive session.
>> Maybe I'll put it on Facebook so it goes like that's your go. >> Let's make a motion to go in executive session. So I first of all, we'll have to suspend the regular meeting. Um is there a motion? Second. >> Okay. All those in favor uh we'll now go
into executive session. um like to make the motion go second. All in favor? >> Okay. Thank you. Can we stay here?