Welcome everyone. This is a Norton Planning Board meeting. It today is a virtual meeting due to the bomb cyclone we just experienced. Um so hopefully everybody was able to stay uh warm and safe over the last couple days. It it it's been a crazy one. Though I do believe that hopefully tomorrow or the
next day uh the town hall will be open again. So please if you were planning on going to the meeting physically tonight, please don't. Um the uh but as you can see we're on Zoom on Zoom. Uh you can join us directly at Zoom meeting 638-9291060.
Uh maybe just want to watch see what we're doing. You can see us on the uh Norton cable access. Um so but again this is a virtual meeting. Um tonight um actually uh my name is Eric Norris. I am
the clerk. However, both uh Alan the chair and Tim the vice chair are unavailable today. So I'll be acting as chair. Um so just bear with me as I have not actually shared this before. So uh ask for a little bit of grace while we get through this though we will
definitely get through this. Um >> click this if you want. >> Okay. >> Okay. Um so I'm going to call this to order. Um and start with general business. Uh we do have approval of
minutes to do but we'll wait for those for the end. Um just we'll we'll we'll let everybody go before that. Um any planning board and business uh planning board business or policies you want to discuss at the moment? >> All right.
>> No, I think we're good. >> Okay. Um bills and warrants. Uh obviously we're not in person to really sign anything, though I do believe there is some things we do need to sign. Um, so we'll have to I I'd be looking for the board members to to schedule some
time to go into town hall as soon as they can. Um, I don't know if uh Paulie want to speak that a little bit. >> Yeah, we have uh some documents for you to sign the uh the the the definitive plan for 125 Newland Street plus the covenant. And then well, you'll see
later on the agenda regarding Bor Farms. Uh there's some covenant and shity documents that uh you'll need to come in and and get signed and we'll do that in front of a notary. >> Okay.
Um as of right now, I believe you only have four members on the on on the Zoom meeting. So myself, uh Bridget Carr is here, Steve Warel is here, and uh Frank's here. Um, but just so so everybody who's going to speak to us said we only have four members at the
moment. So, um, I don't I believe I'm not sure about Rob. I'm hoping he joins us soon, but for now we only have four. Um, but like as mentioned earlier, both uh Allan and Tim are will not be joining us tonight. And so at the most we'll have five tonight.
>> So chair Rob's joining >> is joining. Okay. So we have five tonight. How you doing, Rob? >> Hey, Rob. >> You're muted. >> Sorry, there was a little bit of a plow thing going on in front of my house just
now. >> I can believe that. >> Those guys are getting stuck everywhere. >> All right. Um, so we're gonna we're gonna jump right in. We're going to do go to ANR21 where zero Mansfield Avenue. Uh, the on
applicant is uh, uh, P Eastern Home Builders LLC and applicant is seeking to combine lots D and E into lot F and combine lots A and C into lot G. >> Good evening.
>> Good evening. Uh Jack Jacobe, 144 Bank Street, representing the applicant. Uh this is the plan that we showed to you at the last meeting. Uh because of the uh requirements uh of uh the bylaw, we
need to combine lot C with the one above it, which is lot A, and that'll get a new lot designation. And then as we told you before, we were going to always to combine lot D with lot E and give that a
new lot designation. So they certainly have plenty of area, plenty of frontage. They meet the requirements and we would ask that you approve this u and endorse it. and then um we would continue the
next matter which is the special permit and um see you again on March 17th. I'll go to the board. Does the board have any questions or comments about ANR21? >> No, I I don't have any objections to it.
>> Nope. No, I have no objections. >> All good. >> All right. >> I'm good. >> So, be uh any questions from the the public on Zoom?
Don't think I see any. Double check. And I'm not as good as rambling for a few seconds as Tim is, but I don't see any hands. Um, you >> need something to chat or I can help. >> Well, yeah, I might ask for that as the
night goes on. >> Yeah. >> Um, >> I can do a bass solo. >> Well, I think for now where we're at, I would be looking for a motion. >> U motion to approve ANR 21 Mansfield. >> Second.
>> All right, we had a motion and a second. Uh, since we're remote, let's go ahead and do a a roll call. Um, Frank, um, how do you vote? >> I, >> uh, Bridget, >> yes.
>> Steve, >> yes. >> Rob, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. So, we have endorsed ANR21. Um, I'm guessing we'll need to take some time also to come in and sign this at some point. Paul
Yes. >> Do you want us all just to make stops up there in the next few days? Just do it that way or >> Yeah, >> please. >> Yeah, yeah, I think as we go along. Yeah, we should probably just coordinate uh and just like I said, try to whatever
other signatures we need, we'll we'll we'll try to get get them all done soon. All right, so that one's all set. We're moving right along to public hearing for the remand. uh special permit SB30 for zero Mansfield Avenue.
Um as as was mentioned before, this is looking to be continued uh to March 17th, 2026. Um uh Mr. Kov, did you have anything else you wanted to add? >> No. Uh we hope to be able to uh close
the hearing that night. Uh but uh we are this ANR was the preliminary step we needed to take. That makes sense. All right. Um, any questions from the board or any comments?
>> No. >> All right. Um, any questions from the public or any comments? I'm checking real quick. I don't see any hands at the moment, but we'll give them
another moment. Okay. All right. Uh, so I would be looking for a motion. >> Motion to continue SP 30 to March 17th. >> Second.
>> We'll give it to Steve. Um, at least that's the way my ears work tonight. Um, all right. We have a motion and a second. Um, we'll do uh the roll call once more. Uh, Frank. >> Yes. Bridget, >> yes. >> Uh Steve,
>> yes. >> Rob, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. So, uh we'll be uh we'll continue SP30 to March 17th, 2026. >> Thank you. Have a good night, everyone. >> Thanks. You too.
>> You as well. >> All right. Moving on to the next one. We have definitive plan uh DEF3 and special permit 36 or zero Pine Street. uh also known as Sweet Place. Uh the owner applicant is Norton Land Company LLC and
they are seeking to create 21 residential lots as a residential cluster development. This has been continued from January 20th. >> And chair, if I if I may. >> Sure, please. Um, we've asked uh Robin Stein uh from KP Law to uh participate
on this to address an issue that had been brought up uh at the last meeting regarding the creation of six or more lots whether the t whether you must enforce the provision in uh our affordable housing bylaw that says that 10 10% of the lots must be affordable or
not. Okay. So Robin's been apprised of this and has been given information. >> What was the uh Oh, she hasn't given a feedback yet. >> That's what she's going to talk about.
>> Oh, okay. Sorry. I >> from an ordeal I need to settle down. Uh yeah, Robin, what um would you mind sharing that that feedback? >> Sure. Good evening everyone. Um Robinstein with KP Law Town Council. Um it's my understanding that in the course
of doing the most recent um bylaw amendment proposals, you are advised by attorney Bowski that there would be enforcement issues um concerning applying your inclusionary zoning to uh subdivisions and that although I haven't
talked with attorney Barbski about it, I understand that advice to be based on a Stonem case. It's called the Isola case where uh Judge Rubin in the land court ruled that because of the way the subdivision control law is written, you can't um essentially make it a special
permit use. You can't apply an inclusionary special permit to it. So based on that case, I you know, I do agree with the previous advice you were given. I think that you're not going to be able to apply that provision to just a standard special permit application. Um you may be able to apply the
inclusionary provisions to other types of uses. Additionally, your inclusionary section and your zoning bylaw has certain um bonuses, density bonuses, and in my opinion, those would still be available to a subdivision applicant who wanted to use them. And then you could
apply it in the case of a subdivision that was relying on the density bonuses. >> Concerning. >> That makes sense, Rob. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, it does. It's just consider my my take on it is that this moves us closer. You know, we're barely
over our limit there. That's why we have the 10%. And if we don't have it there, it's kind of squeezing us there. >> No, I I understand. >> So, I do have that as a concern. >> So, to clarify, uh, Robin, the 30%
density bonus that we have in our bylaw would still be able to be applied if if somebody chose to do that. Yeah, I I think somebody could still avail themselves of it. They could choose to request it. Um I don't see any reason they couldn't because they're they're taking advantage of an
opportunity, right? Not just being directed to do something without the bonus. >> Okay. So again to clarify, so going forward if this is not applicable to cluster
developments every time we do a cluster development or sorry not is this for a cluster or just subdivisions in general. >> So that case was a subdivision case. I think if it was a cluster that was staying in common ownership and not actually being subdivided, that'd be a
different story. So this is where you have actual division of land under the subdivision control law. Okay. So, if the cluster division, if the cluster development divides the lots, it wouldn't apply, but if they all stay on one lot, it could apply
>> possibly. Yeah. Because the case in Stonem was decided specifically with reference to the subdivision control law and requirements of the subdivision control law, which wouldn't apply if you weren't subdividing. >> Okay. Okay.
So obviously we would look at any application individually that you would get you know we analyze it specifically but that's kind of the general difference the general answer. >> Okay. So, as far as this project, we're I mean, this might be a question
more for the board than you, Robin, but we're we're not looking to apply this as a mandatory thing. >> The uh 30% I don't I don't believe we are. >> No, the the 10%. I don't Yeah. Okay.
>> Correct. And again, I don't know what decisions we want to make tonight with with two members missing. >> Yeah. Um again, yeah, we only have five people tonight. So, um my are skipping over things. I don't
know who is who is representing the uh Norton land company. >> I am Bob Forbes. >> Oh, there you are. Hi, Bob. >> Hi. How are you? >> Good. Good. Thank you. Um, did you want to uh speak to this project?
>> Yeah, sure. I can I'll be happy to update everybody on what's going on. Um, uh, my again, my name is Bob Forbes from Zenith Consulting Engineers. Um, at the last meeting, you may recall um, we were in the process of revising plans and
drainage report um, to submit back to Pat Brennan uh, in response to his uh, peer review. Uh and we were also um we also withdrew our um we agreed to withdraw our waiver request for the environmental impact statement. So we
had to work on getting that together. Um we did revise the plans and drainage report in response to uh Mr. Brennan's letter. Um we got him back we got a response back um from him. There were
still several minor comments that he wants us to address. Minor minor in difficulty, but um take a little time. Um so I haven't got them back to him yet. Uh obviously missed the last couple
days as well. Um and we have not submitted the environmental impact statement. We are hoping to get the revised plans addressing Pat's final comments. uh hopefully final comment uh
drainage re uh drainage report and environmental impact statement submitted by the end of this week hopefully. >> Okay. >> Um and then the the one big the if I if I could just maybe hopefully we can have a little bit of discussion on this
topic. Um you may recall that um we discussed uh for for a little bit the uh issue the location and the number of the intersections uh where they meet Pine
Street. And we have two currently designed to um to meet the um the uh subdivision regulations. And there was discussion about possibly reducing it down to one uh possibly moving one. So we we submitted with my
letter which I apologize I don't have access to um because of the storm u but we submitted a sketch plan showing I lo I located those houses and driveways across Pine Street from from our
property uh on that on that plan. So hope hopefully you you guys have that in front of you. Um what it is though essentially is the houses across the the Pine Street are it's they've been subdivided just like this has been and
they essentially have 150 ft of frontage on each lot. So and it it extends through the entire frontage of our property. So it essentially it doesn't matter where we put the roads.
Somebody's going what I stated to him was that um we I did discuss this with the traffic engineer. He said it it works with if we reduce it down to one road. Uh but it's safer if we keep it with two roads just
essentially for the simple reason that we're dividing the traffic in half. Um, so you'd have half as much traffic at at each intersection. And that would be my my response with the uh the lights exiting the roads, too. If we reduce it
down to one roadway, it's going to double the amount of essentially double the amount of uh lights coming out at one location and impact one um neighbor more uh than it would if there were two
if there were two entrances. So, uh, that would be what we would request, um, the board. Again, we'll we like I stated at the last meeting, we'll do whatever the board asks us to do on this. Um, the I also want to make it
known that the applicant is willing to work with the homeowners across uh, Pine Street with regard to providing vegetative screening if that's something that they would be interested in uh, on their properties. So, that's pretty much it.
>> All right. Um, while I'm thinking, um, is there any questions from the board? I kind of know I feel kind of about, but let's see if there's any questions from the board first. >> Uh, yeah, I got a quick question. Um, Paul, what what's being shown on your
screen? Is that the subdivision or the cluster development? This is the cl uh this would be the cluster >> that Yeah, Paul, there's a there's a um I believe was that in the letter? Did just in the letter? Do you have the
letter that I sent to you? It was the last page of the of the response letter to Mr. Brandon. That'll show exactly where the um the proposed roadways are and location to those uh abutters across the street.
Uh what I was saying, Paul, is that I I I think you're showing the subdivision plan that has to be laid out before a cluster because I don't see any open space areas on the map you were showing. >> You're correct. That that's exactly correct.
>> Okay. Right. So, uh Bob, is that the email for is it >> No, no, the the response letter that I sent in response to, uh Pat Brennan. >> Oh, okay. This must be it. There it is. Yep,
that's it. Yeah. So, if you just go down should be on the last page. Paul, there it is. Oops. Um, so you can see how the uh the the our roadway is shown on the right hand side on this plan. Uh, and the houses and
driveways across the street are shown uh across the AC. Here you go. Perfect. Oh, that view that last view was perfect. >> Oh, sorry. >> It's okay. >> Yeah, that I think that's the best one. Okay.
>> And um I think you can see from this that regardless of where we put that those roadways would be impacting somebody uh with lights. >> May I I say something? Uh >> uh yeah, go ahead, Frank. Yeah, just I I
think um and I don't live on um Pine, but I think the two roads coming out would be less congestion. I believe you'd be, you know, especially in the morning leaving for work or going to pick the kids up, dropping them off. I would think that'd be a mad rush to get out of there on to
>> Pine. if if they can actually work with the neighbors and the neighbors approve that um I I think the two roads would be better going in and out but I'm not a neighbor I'm not in a butter
>> Mr. Sure. >> I to be honest, that's kind of where I also land is if we keep the traffic kind of split, it would help help a little bit with the traffic and if and if they're willing to help with vegetation for the neighbors, I think that's a that
is a definite positive for this whole project. Um I'm sorry, Rob, did you have something you want to say? >> No. Well, I was just gonna ask, is there room there? And I'm not sure if I'm reading the map right or not, but um to just flare those slightly outward a little bit cuz I I'm looking visually it
looks like rather than people coming out their headlights pointing right at a house across the street. If you can kind of visually see how they'd be kind of pointing kind of out at an angle and just be a little easier on those folks >> like pointing pointing toward towards Timothy Plain Street.
>> Both of them flared outward a little bit. Just a little bit. It looks like the the angle instead of them like right now the one coming out of the one on the um right um looks like as they come out they're h they're going right across the
street the headlights at that house whereas they'll flirt out just a little bit it's going to go off at an angle it's going to across somebody else's long drive which I think is a who cares and the same with the other one if you flared it just slightly it looks like the headlights are just kind of going off into space a little more rather than
right at someone's house >> if you'd like. This is Bob Forbes again. I'd be happy to respond to that. >> Yeah, >> I don't think that's actually a pretty good suggestion. I don't think we'd have a problem with that. There is a the planning board rules and regulations
want us to uh come into a roadway as close to 90 degrees as we can. Um, so if the planning board would be willing to live with us coming in at something slightly less than that, um, I I I think
we could certainly take a look at that. >> Yeah, I think if we, like Rob said, flatted out a little bit and I think that'd be interesting to look at. Yeah, the the the road on the right hand side, the reason it's located the way it is is
we're we're trying to stay 50 feet away from that wetlands, too, which is something that the uh conservation commission >> um likes, but um if we were to flare it out at an angle, we could we could come out so we're not
the lights wouldn't be headed directly at that one house that that appears would appear to be the most impacted. >> Yeah. And if my visual lineup here is wrong, I apologize. I was just >> No, I I think you I think it's a really good point, Mr. Wolf. >> And that doesn't sound like it'd be too
expensive a change for you either. Just kind of >> Well, yeah. >> I didn't say not at all. >> Redesign. Yeah. Redesign of the road gets redesign of any roadway. I mean, that's essentially what a subdivision is. essentially uh dividing up the land,
but we're all it is is really roadway design. So, um I I will discuss that with Mr. Andronis and if he's willing uh we may be able to tweak those a little bit. I I I do see exactly what you're saying and we may be
able to uh come up with something that that may we certainly don't want to impact um those neighbors. Um it just so if we can limit if we can minimize what we're doing there um I think we can come
to uh some conclusion that everybody's going to be happy with >> and and that's kind of what I'm getting at. So the lights aren't just beamed right at someone house. >> Yeah. Right. Right. I get it. >> You know >> and then you know we'll have some idiots decides that's a good time for high beams too. >> It seems like it's getting more and more
prevalent every day. >> Yeah. I know it. All right. Any other questions from the board? >> Nope. >> No, I was I was going to just ask about
um considering the openings uh the slant or elevation of the exits if if the elevation is higher than Pine Street or lower than Pine Street. Cuz when the cars come out, if it's lower than Pine Street, the lights are going to shine
upward. If it's higher than Pine Street, the lights will be tilted downward when they come towards the houses. >> So what we have there in the pro, you can check these this on the profile too. So what we had So this property is significantly it's it it slopes down uh
towards those wetlands. So that's that would be what we have. But we have um a what we did is we designed we don't we didn't want to um change the drainage patterns on Pine Street at all. So we
have a like a 40 foot um vertical curve right at the right at the beginning of the entrance. So essentially like the first 50 or 60 feet is is going to be level uh as we approach uh Pine Street and then we drop back down into uh into
our property. So uh I I don't think we'll have a problem with that. In fact, the the the vehicles that are at the stop sign waiting to turn on the pine will actually be slightly facing down. I mean it's like it's 1% so it's it's you
know essentially level. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> Yeah. No problem. >> Any other questions from the board? >> Nope. No. >> Good. All right. Then I'll open it up to the public. And if you have a question or comment, uh, please raise your
virtual hand and I'll, uh, I'll call on you as I see them and then I'll ask for your name and your address. Hi, apologies. I don't know how to raise my hand on the on the Zoom. >> Uh, there should be there is a react
button uh, >> at the bottom of the screen. Yeah, if you move your mouse cursor, there's a bar that appears. >> Unfortunately, I'm on a I'm on a cell phone. I couldn't figure out how to get the Zoom working on my computer. My wife handed me the phone and this is how I got on there. Sorry. >> Fair enough. Fair enough. >> Let's just move on.
>> I can hear you. >> Um, >> if you could, Anthony, uh, give us your name and your address and uh and, uh, uh, your your question or comment, please. >> Excellent. My name is Anthony Soya and I live on 94pine.
I am one of the abutters and your I think your shared screen is looking at my house. Um, so, um, you know, I I am quite a few concerns. I've I I
recently purchased the home in '94. Um, and you know, I'm couple items I'm concerned on and you know, it's been it seems to address during your comments uh during your your question comments for the board about flooding. Um, we've on
my side of the road, we've had some flooding issues and drainage. Um, doesn't mean it's going to be on the opposite side of the road, but there are, you know, again, wetlands. No, I know this isn't the, uh, you call it the environmental committee. I apologies on
the names. Uh, but that's just one thing that I have on the back of my mind. And I do I have looked at these plans. Unfortunately, I don't have them. I wish they were a little bit bigger on the screen, but I'm dealing with I have what I have. And that's one concern. The
other main concern is is traffic. Now, I know you guys mentioned about traffic, about the two having the two roads. That road does go smack dab at my home, uh the one I'm looking at right now.
And again, uh, it's appreciated about the vegetation and blocking and all that, but my home is at an elevation, so I think it would look a little weird. I I don't know, but that's not my point here. I'm concerned about the traffic
level. I've already made comments to the traffic committee. uh you know I've spoken with some of the selectmen that live on the road about the traffic volume already there. So I'm just concerned about in general what is being
planned not just for this project though I am concerned about this project what is what is being done for traffic overall along Pine between this project and the other two going on. We're looking at probably you guys can tell me
minimum doubling the amount of homes in this area potentially tripling. And I've lived in Norton for about 12 years now. I remember when we had one traffic light, you know, we're going >> none.
>> Yeah, I know. Um, >> it was a lot easier to get through town, but go ahead. >> I know. Yeah, no problem. And I and I agree there. Um, you know, my my children and I utilize the bike path. We ride our bikes around the corner down plane over to the bike path and it's it
it can be scary um going down. We try to go to Wheaten sometimes. Again, scary. I've spoken with the deputy chief. He was kind enough to send a patrol officer down. She use utilizes my driveway. I gave her
permission to utilize my driveway and she stopped a few people, but and the average speed on the road is about 34 miles an hour. Now, that's not high, you know, it's not extreme extremely high above the speed limit. Speed limit is 30
for reference. Um, but people are going quite fast. Then you add in you're increasing traffic. For some reason, people love to use this as a cut through of the business park. Doesn't make sense to me, but people do. When you approach this corner, and this is for the developer on
the call, too. When people approach this this section here of road, they speed up significantly. When you're down further down near the re, I call them the ravines, the wetlands down there. the road is a lot tighter. You're going a lot slower. When
you speed up past the development, I believe it's called we lock. People tend to speed up over here. So, you're going to have cars going much faster going down these roads. I'm concerned again concerned about traffic. I we have tons of pedestrians, not just
myself, but we have, you know, people walking their dogs, joggers from Wheaton, u seen bikers, all all a huge amount of variety of people going down here and then now we're increasing the amount of people uh go you know
living and and I will say my neighbors are tend to drive slow but on the off roads I've even heard I I was at uh one of my daughter's friends birthday party parties oh I t I go down your road all the time I have a tend I was talking about speeding and and they oh I always
forget to look what my speed limit is you know that was that's a direct quote vote. So, I like I just wanted to point that out. See if there's something in in in in the plans going forward what can be done. I you know I am again I am
concerned about some of the the basics lights at my home. I mean that's going to be shining at my daughter's bedroom window. Um and but overall traffic noise pollution is already a problem for me. Um, again, because people speed up
because the road significantly widens as you go down that road. And again, I've mentioned it to the DPW. They were kind enough put to put some signs up. The chief was kind enough to put the patrol officer there. It is just not and and it's just not something that it
it just can be addressed. And then throwing on on more and and I understand we're developing the land and I could, you know, I understand the imp why why we're doing it. It's, you know, great opportunity for the town. I just don't want to have the cart put before the
horse for infrastructure, too. That's another concern. Um, you know, Pine, I've lived, again, lived on Pine since it's been about two years now. Uh, and I've seen accidents at the corner of Pine and 123. I've sit in traffic on
Pine when I have to go pick up my daughter from the other side of town from her daycare around, you know, rush hour. you know it's it's struct you know again the infrastructure I'm just concerned on that in in in terms of traffic flow I've sat in I've sat in quite a few town
meetings where we've discussed that um so and I know there has been in you guys have been putting together a and I again I apologize I don't remember the the whole plan for the for the downtown area but I you know I've heard rumors of
a roundabout in the middle center of town I'm just you Now, I'm just kind of just sitting there and thinking we have tripling doubling I'm I would say minimum doubling the amount of houses on this road to tripling and I'm
already dealing with speeding um you know the lights I wasn't even considering that until I saw this revised map here um and just general noise pollution general traffic in this area and I just you know posed the question to you guys
are you I don't want to see the cart put before the infrastructure horse. You know what I mean? In just terms of just slapping these homes. Again, I understand the development. Understand the need. Great for the town to increase homes. Um I might even enjoy once these
homes are uh completed to walk around the road to be semi uh because it'll be semi quieter than Pine. I I I'll I'll admit that. But again, we're, you know, putting these homes in and not considering the infrastructure in the area. And it seems that some somebody
else made comments about drainage and stuff like that. I, you know, I also pose that concern too uh to the board and I would just that that's pretty much and and then my wife just popped apologies. My wife just popped in and just the traffic is so aggressive on
this town road that I've actually been passed on this road going the speed limit. I've seen people be pushed with cars being pushed and and just and it's it's supposed to be a quiet country road, if you will. It's just insane the insanity on the traffic on this road and
what people are doing. Um I and I uh I just I just want to close my comments on that and just reiterate all those issues and I just want to point those out to everyone. >> No thank you for your time. The traffic on that street is scary. I've had them
come up they're coming up over a hill around a curve like in spots and you know rising up on their suspension and coming fast. It's scary. I agree with that. Um >> yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. No guy, Mrs.
I I I you know like I I've heard you know I've spoken with some of the selectmen. I've heard you know asks for PL put planning board and putting sidewalks. It's just like you know I was outside you know my my mailbox blew off last
night during the snowstorm. So I was kind of there looking at it. I'm sure somebody else has had this issue too. But to give you an example I was sitting there. I dug out my my thing. By the way, the street is now 8 feet shorter on
on one in total, 3 feet to 4 feet on each side. I God bless DPW, our highway department for working on that and hopefully they can uh widen out the roads. But I was sta standing out there trying to figure, you know, make adjustments to fix the box and somebody
just sped by me in a BMW going a little bit over 30 and the road is not, you know, again, God bless the highway department, but it's not clear and people just disregard their own safety and going an obnoxious speed. you know,
I went 25, you know, safely 20, 25 miles down the road. This guy was not do doing that. It would just shocked me. And again, people use it as a cut through cut through and I understand, but it's just it's ridiculous. And I just want to
point that out to yourselves and and traffic committee and developing it to the developer for putting this together, considering, you know, considering all this. Would the planning board be responsible for uh sidewalks, Eric
or Paul? >> Where we ask for sidewalks, but what do you mean by responsible? >> No. Would we be the deciding factor to recommend sidewalks to the town because the town would be responsible for it? I don't know if the developer would be.
We can we can recommend sidewalks or impose sidewalks on the frontage of a development, but not along the whole road. That's the highway department. >> Okay, that was my question, Steve. Thank you. >> Yep. Uh >> I'm going through the same thing on
Maple Street, Anthony. Um yeah, they they build 400 houses down in Attboro >> and I used to have a you know, busy road, but not real busy. Now, you know, it's it's I've had I've had people pass, you know, pass me. Um I'd love to have
sidewalks. I know it'll I'll it'll never happen on Maple Street because it's not wide enough. And like you said with Pine, the um when the big plow comes through on Maple Street, I'm going to be shoveling out again because, you know, it's they missed. They didn't miss, but I get
three feet on each side of the road that they get a plow. You know what I mean? So, >> yeah. Pine Pine Street. I know it's it is a major cut through, but like Steve said, it's um I believe there would be, you know, along this development, we
might be able to um recommend sidewalks, but the rest of that would be up to the town, >> the DPW, you know. >> So, I chased, to be honest with you, I chased around and I I I you know, I ch, you know, checked the traps if you would or ran the traps on this too a little
bit on And it just for me, you know, I talked to the gentleman at the highway department again. He he said he would put more signs down out to the chief. There's not obviously, you know, we
can't station in a police car there every day. I I understand that. >> I'd like to, believe me, but I can't. >> I know. But um but it seems like it's just, you know, dissuading people from speeding. you know that again it's like
I I suggested speed bumps then I was like what about speed humps and they were like oh well it damages the plows and then I was like well what about temporary and then I didn't really hear back from that you know >> it's the sidewalks great suggestion and again I don't think you know whoever is
responsible is not going to sit there and put and I don't know how long Pine Street is but I don't I doubt they're going to put it all the way down Pine Street understandable but if people are going to use this to walk in they do. And
I would love to see ways to dissuade people from speeding, too. You know, like, you know, again, I know there's temporary speed bumps. Uh, and I I and again, I'm not a traffic engineer. I don't think that's the best route here.
I don't know. I spoke with the chief, spoke with uh excuse me, deputy chief, you know, some of the police officers on what they see. You know, I used to well I use the MBTA in Mansfield. They have temporary speed bumps in that entrance
area for that town. I don't, you know, I I don't know if that would work here. I'm just saying I think there'd be some level of way to dissuade people from using this to make it more comfortable for the, you know, the the people that live in this area. And then two, to draw
them away from using this to use the, you know, one I I assume they're trying to avoid 140 >> Mhm. the end of the business park to force them to use that or use the highway because then you're forcing them into the center of town because that's why you're going down that way. Uh force
them away for to not use that and to use the more appropriate route routes where they can go 40 miles an hour. When I say some of these people speed that right where my driveway is is my kitchen too. So I can be looking at something and
then glance over in a split second there's that's a car going by and I just am amazed. Yeah, it's like >> no. So when I for so for my argument here also in addition is not to just include pine but look at the flow that's
going out onto um 123 and then you know on the opposite side um you know someday that mill will be developed. The Barton mill hopefully will be developed someday. Um, that'll
be, you know, another factor to consider, too, because people will be going up and down Pine to avoid, I'm sure, to avoid the 140 traffic. >> Um, so that's just another item to consider, too. You know, I, you know, I I I drive down reservoir. I'm more
cautious now because I understand what they go through. Um, this could easily be turning pine into a reservoir where there's a whole bunch of streets. You know, that's pretty much what we're talking about here is adding more streets to Pine. And I and I'm sure
Reservoir, I don't know many I matter of fact, the police officer that was stationed at my home home lived at Reservoir, lives off of reservoir. She says that's scary. You know what I mean? So I I just would hope hopefully want this to get this addressed well um and
reasonably. you know, the the police department, you know, tries to, you know, do a be reasonable with their, you know, speeding stops, but I mean, 30 on a 35, that's almost 40. You know, oh, you know, you're at 35. Well, that's closer to, is that closer to 40 or 30?
You know what I mean? It's >> whether lowering the speed limit or trying to dissuade people, if there's some sort of traffic engineering abilities to dissuade people from taking this, I don't know. But again, the way the street's set up, it it's very tight near those ravines
and then it opens up right in this area where it's being developed and it goes down to the college and you know there have been complaints at the that area near the college because again student walk students are running and doing uh uh
>> just like a did you have any other other uh different comments? We know obviously the traffic's >> a apologies on just reiterating you know no and I I again I appreciate the time um and I appreciate uh the discussion on vegetation and stuff like the
consideration of that I you know I'd be willing you know to discuss further with them and uh and just see what we could do to avoid as much of light being posted into my my my home and aesthetically having the property you
not be either damaged by people uh driving up on the road or whatnot. Uh it' be appreciated. >> All right, let me uh let me uh if you don't mind muting for a moment so I know you're we're we're good for now. So I know you don't have your your the hand up. Um I'll address a couple the smaller
ones that we would have brought up. You did bring up the basically the storm water and all our projects require storm water uh to be no worse off than it was before any of the runoff before the project. Obviously, we prefer better. Um, but obviously that's that that is always a concern and we did start the
conversation with Mr. Forbes earlier like and potentially flaring that out a little bit. Maybe that angle will help. Um, I don't know. Obviously, we'd have to look at at the adjustments uh with what Mr. Forbes comes back with. Um, but for the traffic, Paul, do did we ask I I
check try to check my notes, but do we ask for a traffic assessment for this project? I'd like to hear on that. >> If you don't mind, before we get too far, I could I chime in one second? >> Uh, what was it about?
>> About this traffic situation? >> Give me a moment then. Give me a moment. >> Give me a moment. >> Say, we did get the traffic assessment correct. >> This is why I ran for the office. >> Yes, we have a traffic assessment and a
peer review. >> Okay. Um, >> okay. Uh, Steve, go ahead. >> One of the points I want to make here is a cluster development can't be more units than would be
allowable in a subdivision. A subdivision is something we can't deny. This special permit is a determination of whether clustering all the buildings together is nicer than if we didn't. We're not determining adding a bunch of
units. They could do that by right if they wanted to. >> Okay. Thank you, Steve. >> Yep. >> Um I'm going to ask you about uh the concerns uh for Mr. Sto M Mr. Forb. I'm going to ask you about the concerns in a moment, but Marine and I Marine, you
have seen the hand up for a little while. Um, if you don't mind, uh, uh, go ahead and, uh, state your name and your address and, uh, and uh, what what are your questions or comments? >> Um, my name is Moren Schroinski. I live
at 283 East Main Street, unit number 15. I have lived here for 34 years. My question is procedural. It's a little bit off your topic, but we had planned um we are about butters to the marijuana dispensary
proposed petition and we thought that with town hall closed, we had planned to have some in-person representation as well as more um individuals on the virtual. Is that hearing still on
for tonight? >> Yes. Yes. >> I believe it's still there. Yes. Yes. Yes, it is. >> So that Well, I would like to and I can't make the motion. I would suggest that a motion be made given the
communication about the town hall being closed and no updates to the agenda that this cashmere pedal um marijuana dispensary
be postponed to a a further date cuz again we're a 40 unit um 40 owner property. We had planned to have another number of people here. I'm president of the board and almost all my board was
going to be here, but they all assumed that this would be cancelled because of the communication about town hall being closed. >> Oh, that's that's understood. Um, when we get to that point uh in in the agenda tonight, we'll we'll definitely uh take that into consideration, though. Again,
we're also short to people, so they might want to continue anyway. Um, so we'll definitely, but no, >> I apologize for jumping on late, but I had some connection problems, probably due to the weather. So, >> like, you still plan on having this
hearing tonight? >> Correct. Yes. >> Okay. >> But like I said, we'll we'll take in consideration what what you said. And like I said that we'll we'll speak with the applicant about uh about the things and maybe the maybe we can talk about
continuing but we'll we'll see how the discussion goes first. >> Thank you. >> All right. Thank you Moren. Um all right and I also see a Bob B with his hand up. Um if you could don't mind state your name and your address please.
>> Uh yeah it's uh Bob Butler 133 Pine Street. >> Okay. Um had a question on the sewer line. Um I just wanted to know if that is going to run uh between
one of these new streets and Germaine Way only and not anywhere beyond that on Pine Street. >> Um I am not sure off the top of my head to be honest. Uh >> I I I can address that at this point.
Well, obviously that's going to be uh subject to a um uh a determinate. We have to go through a permitting process with the sewer and water department for this uh project. Um right now it's
intended to go from um there is a stub left at the end of Germaine Way and it with the intersection of Germaine Way with Pine Street and right now that that's intended to run down the shoulder
of the road and then into this subdivision um at one of the entrances to uh to Pine N street, the one closest to Germaine Way. >> So that's is that where it's going to end, Bob, or
>> No, it's going to run into the subdivision obviously to service it and uh and yeah, that's that's what what that's what it's intended to uh to handle at at this point in time. Yeah. >> So there won't be any further expansion
on that line >> beyond the subdivision. I think that's No. >> So that'll be the last sewer connection your your development. >> Yes. >> Does that answer your question, Bob? B.
>> Yeah. Well, I I just wanted to make sure I guess um I mean that might be more of a question for the water and sewer commission, I guess. um like if if there are any future plans to extend that sewer line um in either direction down
Pine Street. Um I'm below my house is below Pine Street a little bit and uh I have a perfectly operating septic system. Uh I don't want to have to pay the cost to connect to the sewer, nor do
I want the risk of having, you know, a a backup. uh especially since I'm downhill from from the street level. So, I'd like to hear from the water sewer commission to determine or to to hear if there are
any future plans um for extending that sewer line. >> Okay. >> So, I can't speak for the sewer department. I don't know what they require people to do in Norton, but this uh this is a force main system. So, it's
a pump system and that that pipe that is um that is left stubbed at the end of Germaine Way and Pine Street is sized to handle uh essentially just this subdivision and
um the Wheelock Farm subdivision which was uh Balffor Farm when when we developed it. Um, so I doubt they're going to re I don't know. I can't speak for them. Yeah, it would be best if you spoke with them, Mr. Butler.
>> Okay, I'll reach out to them. Thank you. >> Yeah, there's not there's not much capacity left in that line. Let's put it that way. >> Okay. So, that and that you're connected to the Lloyd Circle as well, right? Through that >> correct line. Yeah, correct. Yeah, they wanted us to tie in that entire
subdivision into it. So yeah, both of both of those roadways are tied into the system. >> And is that connected out through like Birch Street to South Washington? >> I believe it's from Brig Street. >> That is correct.
>> I'm sorry. I meant Brig Street. Yes. Thank you. >> Thank you for I couldn't remember the name of that street. >> Yeah, I don't know why I said B. >> Thanks. Um Okay. Um I had one other concern I just wanted to bring up. Um, also just, you know, infrastructure.
Um, so this is going to be 74 new houses on Pine Street after this project. Um, from which is basically just like about a mile distance from like Crane Street to this to this project, probably just
over a mile. 74 new houses. Um, you're also talking about apartment buildings at the end of uh Reservoir Street. Um, and then you have the uh apartment buildings by Honeydew, the apartment
buildings by Speedway. Um, so traffic is already horrible in town. So yeah, I think that's a major concern is just this is just 74 houses just on a like a mile stretch of Pine Street
and you're looking to add a whole lot more uh on top of that everywhere else in town. So I didn't know what your plans are to to fix the traffic congestion. Um, I a couple weeks ago I was stuck in
traffic back to the cemetery from the center of town. So I had to take, you know, um, go take a left turn at St. Mary's, turn around, take a left turn at St. Mary's, take Power Street to get home. Uh, just because the traffic was
backed up that far. That's miles. Um, I don't know if there's something you can do with smarter traffic lights because it seems like there's always one or two directions is much worse than the other directions and it doesn't really
seem to to flow correctly. So, I don't know if there's some something that can be done there. Um, but also just infrastructure like schools, police, fire departments. I mean, you're adding how many more residents these last few
years and next several years. Um, what what's that going to take to to, you know, make sure you have the infrastructure for all these new residents >> or uh for the traffic stuff? Thank you, Mr. Butler. Um, I I believe that's a
Department of Transportation ultimately that that gets to, you know, uh, control traffic, you know, like traffic lights and whatnot. That that comes into their purview. Um, we have a, you know, we have a project potentially can help with that. The um, but that's that's a
separate project. Uh, but Mr. Forbes, while you're here, speaking about your the this the project before us, uh do you have any comment on uh uh the traffic uh for for that project?
>> Yeah, sure. Uh so, um as Mr. DJeppy mentioned uh we uh commissioned a traffic study um that was done and submitted along with all the subdivision materials that was uh also
um reviewed by a peer engineer that was working for the town. Um and um essentially essentially um said that the So you have we clearly have an a situation where there's an
existing problem on Pine Street prior to us doing anything here. And that's what they look at. They they went out there and they took traffic counts um actual traffic counts during during
particular days as stated in the report. They add um they add factors to that to uh you know to get to peak times and then they they take a look at what's happening. Now this project can't
fix an existing problem that's there. But u Mr. Butler, you had a good point um in that um I often see um traffic uh intersections with tra controlled by
traffic lights um where one or two legs of the intersection um have no traffic and one or two have a significant amount of traffic and they absolutely can be rettimed and as Mr. Norris mentioned it
that it that that's done by um well it's I guess that's one intersection at 123 you're referring to. So that that would be a state issue and they they absolutely and do on occasion change traffic lights. In fact, a couple of
years ago they they reprogram the traffic light that's right in front of uh my office down in Lakeville. So that's definitely something that can be looked into. All right. Thank you. >> So, I just I had one more comment just
on the on that on the uh traffic study. Um >> was that was that done based on the current traffic and and then just adding these 21 homes or does that take in
account the 44 new homes that were already added in the other two developments which are not? Yeah, it actually does. So, what they do is they take a look at anything that was uh any projects that were approved and either
not completely built or in the process of being built or haven't been built at all, but they've been approved >> and they add those in as well. So, you're you're welcome. Look, it's I believe that um Mr. Digazeppi has it
posted. You're you're certainly welcome to review that. And uh it absolutely that was one of my main concerns. I wanted them to make sure that they um accounted for the um the Balfur Farm subdivision and the um development along
Pine Street and anything else in the area. And uh I I believe the um the the traffic um the traffic engineer reviewed all those items with the planning department. Yeah, I think if if you look in the in
the in the folder there, uh if you look for I think it's dated on for January 16th is I believe when it was submitted. So that might help you find a little bit faster. Mr. Butler, if you want to take a look. >> Okay, thank you. Yeah, that's all I have. Thanks. >> Thank you. All right, I don't see any
hands up at the moment. Um uh so uh Mrs. did you raise your hand? You're on mute. >> Would you mind just uh restating address? >> Sorry. Yep. Anthony Sya, 94 Pine Street.
Um one one u earlier in the meeting uh the developer provided a map uh of the of the road. Um I'm looking at a map that I received or was provided about the cluster development.
I I see a map similar to that one, but it doesn't have my house on that. Uh is there a way I could get a copy of that? And and two, I understand um there was a uh traffic study. Um and the study is
what it is. My question is the study is what it is, but can there be improvements to it? to my to the gentleman's point, I believe his name was Bob B, I I do the same thing on Power Road because I'll get stuck there,
too. And now our now Power Road could potentially become another Pine Street or another Reservoir Street. So, I understand there's a traffic study done. I appreciate that. But what are the results of that? You know, oh, it is what it is, guys, and that's what that's
kind of what it is. I mean, I can appreciate the traffic. I just want to know are there going to be adjustments to it? You know, telling me something that's been done. Yes. And I don't, this isn't deferring to the developer, but to the town, you know, traffic's an issue
and you know, there was a traffic station. What are the results? What's what's what are the solutions? Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. So, we received the the traffic study as you mentioned. It's it's in the folder there for uh back in
uh January 16th. Uh basically we take that into consideration with everything else that we're looking at. If if the numbers don't look right, then that's something we need to discuss uh with the developer. Um but what we from but from from what we see from the professional
has been peer reviewed um that you know the the the additional impact is is not huge. >> So um but yeah um anyone else um uh in the public uh
have any questions or concerns? Um, I don't see any hands, but while I wait for that, uh, anybody on the board have any additional questions, um, for Mr. Forbes? >> Yeah. Yeah, I I got one, Eric. Um,
one thing, Doug, to just to reiterate, whether we approve this project or not, the potential traffic impact from this property is the same. But my my question for Mr. Forbes, or
rather my sort of my ask is the open space area to to do the the best to provide access to the river if possible and if possible to leave enough open
space where the neighborhood kids could possibly have enough like a field game or like a sport would be very appropriate. and if possible to allow public access. >> Uh so I I believe that we're required to
allow public access to that open space. Now providing a the intention for for this has always been for it to be passive recreation. People can certainly access the land and there's certainly not going to be a problem with that. I
think um uh providing uh a spot for kids to play sports is something at a totally different level where there were liability and insurance issues and parking issues and just it would just it
it puts it in a totally different place. >> I misunderstanding. I'm not asking you to build a a court or a field. I I I meant to provide a space wide enough for kids to make their own game. that I love the idea of that. Let me uh
I will discuss that with Mr. and Brunis. See if there's any problem with that. >> Cool. >> So, what we used to do when I was a kid, but I'm 60 years old now, so I don't see it much anymore. I wish it was done more. >> Sort of a sandlot situation. >> Yeah.
>> All right. Um, anybody else on the board have any questions for Mr. Forbes? >> Mr. Butler, I see your hand up. You mind saying your name and address for the record? Uh, again, please. >> Yeah, it's Bob Butler, 133 Pine Street. Um, I was just going to say, um, I I
would think that would be something, um, that open space, like open field space would be something that needs to be run by the, uh, conservation committee because we're you're already building on a lot of wetlands, right? And we're
trying to stay off the wetlands. So, just a thought. >> Yeah. So, we're Mr. Butler, we're required to provide um the major a majority of that open space as uh as
upland as opposed to wetland. So there would be there would be um likely be um the ability to >> we also have priority habitat which is a lot of your open space priority. >> Yeah, you're absolutely you're absolutely right. That's a that's an
excellent point. We might not even be allowed to do that. Who knows? in in that habitat habitat area. >> Yeah, you got the priority habitat and then you have a a vernal pool that's going to be certified. U Y >> so I think that takes up a lot of that
space. >> Yeah, it's an excellent point. No, we we'll look into it. Let's put it that way. >> If I could address that. Uh the cluster development has to provide 35% of the lot or the buildable area as open space
and wetlands, ponds, marshes and any other protected area doesn't count towards that space. >> Correct. >> Yeah, it's upland. So that 35% is all up. >> Well, you saying the priority habitat
cannot be part of that space? >> No. Oh, if it's a protected natural area, that's not part of that 35%. They have to increase more space. >> When are they need to look at the plan then? I think >> priority habitat isn't a wetland.
>> It can include wetland areas, but it is not a >> he's saying that's it's protected area. So, that that's why I'm just going off of what what um Mr. Marshall Marshall is saying. Yeah, >> you we would have to clear it with conservation, but it in our bylaw it
says this area shall not include wetlands, ponds, marshes, or other protected natural area. Thank you, Mr. Butler. Um, thank you, Mr. Forbes. I don't see any other questions. So, um, so I'll be looking
for a motion. Unless Unless the somebody on the board has another question. Uh sorry, actually before we do that, um you said, if I remember right, Mr. Forbes, um if you don't mind, uh you're expecting the impact environmental
impact report hopefully by the end of this week. >> Correct. >> Um so it sounds like we looking for a continuence. Uh do you have a preference? >> Um when when is I think we'd be able to make it by the next meeting. >> The next meeting is March 17th. That
That's actually perfect if that works for you guys. >> I was about to ask, how's our March 17th looking at this point, Paul? >> Yeah, it it's a it's fine. It's it's a manageable agenda at this point. >> Okay, cool.
>> Paul, sorry, this is Robin. Since I'm here, can I just Are you keeping track of the um instructive approval time on subdivision aspect of this application? Do you need a written extension? >> Um we do track it. Um
>> Okay. I take it there was no preliminary plan with this one. >> There wasn't. There wasn't. >> Okay. So, you're just working on the normal 135 days, >> right? >> Correct. >> Okay. I just since you're continuing for a few weeks out, I just wanted to make sure you were checking that.
>> Yeah. Uh this is uh our second meeting. >> When was it filed? >> Um so we have what I'm showing is the 135 days uh is April 17th. >> Oh, okay. Perfect. As long as you're
tracking it. I just didn't want to interrupt, but I thought I'd mention it. Okay, perfect. >> Appreciate that. Um All right. So looking for a motion. >> Motion to continue.
>> Second. >> Motion to continue definitive plan three and special for 36 to March uh 17th. Um we'll do a a roll call. Uh Frank, >> yes. To continue. >> Yes.
>> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> All right, we are continued. Thank you very much. Thank you everybody. >> Thank you. >> Have a good night. >> Same to you. >> Thank you. 60 is an old. >> You didn't need me for anything else,
right? >> No, but thank you. >> Have a good night everyone then. Thank you. >> We will always need you, Robin. >> That's so true. All right. Next, our agenda is special permit SP 33 and site
plan approval SBR18. This is for 61 West Main Street. Uh the applicant is Corvo Properties and they're seeking approval for a four-star top the shop building and rebuild existing food and beverage retail store which is the Honeydew. Um
that one looks like it is looking to want to also continue to March 17th. Um on a pause any any comment with this one or >> they're still waiting for their traffic study. >> Okay. Motion to continue
to March 17th. >> A second. >> Sorry if I'm trying to move the meeting too fast. >> That's fine. No, you're >> I will slow you down if I have to, which I'm kind of doing by accident. >> All right. Um, let's go ahead do the
roll call. Uh, Frank, >> yes. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. Steve. >> Yes. >> All right. SB 33 and SPR18 have been continued to March 17th.
All right. Next in our docket docket is SPR9 and uh sorry, site plan review 9 and special permit 17 which is 0 West Main Street. Applicant is SRO Development LLC. The applicant is seeking to construct two apartment
buildings with a combined total of 39 unit 35 units and 65 parking spaces. >> So, chair, if I can u start this and then turn it to Mr. Lark. And >> sure. Um, as you may recall from the
from Zero Mansfield, um, we had applied that standard from the zoning bylaw for U section 61C that said if you're proposing residential within a commercial district that you're subject to the nearest residential district. Um,
Mr. Lens's project was actually caught up in it. And in fact, when we reviewed it, there were several critical dimensional requirements in R40 zoning that he would not be able to make. So, we informed him of it. And so, at this point, he's proposing a he hasn't
submitted, but is is is propose will be proposing a a change in the plans. Uh and um uh Michael, if you want to go from here. >> Yeah. So initially when we were looking for that special permit 17 was for that
multif family housing. So as Paul just said there there was a restriction in that we couldn't meet certain requirements. So we were looking to you know amend this application here to reflect the top of the shop h configuration rather than this multif
family. So in the zoning bylaws, uh the multif family is a special permit in the VC zone which is what we're in, but the top of the shop would be allowed as of right so we wouldn't have to do the special permit for the multif family. So
we're still in the site plan review which is totally on on board that we have to do that regardless. The only things where we do with this application now is drop the special permit for the multif family housing and do this top of the shop um site plan review with that. So the only amendment
looking to do is kind of drop that and then reflect the top of the shop configuration. Then what I would do with my plans is to you know retitle it to talk about the top of the shop housing meet those make sure we meet all those
requirements and then on March 17 to you know do a full presentation. uh the plans we have we did do extensive um conservation review with a peer review for storm water management that was pretty extensive so what we'll see
coming up in March 17 you know the site plan hasn't changed the parking remain the same uh the building footprints are going to remain the same the same driveway circulation grade grading storm water and utilities all remain the same what is ultimately changing with from
the special permanent housing toddler top uh allowed as a right would be the entire floor would be converted into commercial use and then a residential unit be on the second and third floors. So again still three stories still with with the within the height limitation
and you know that just what we need to do is ultimately create an architectural rendering to reflect this change in the application. So all I'm, you know, we're looking to do is kind of um quest that we can do that and then come March 17th,
we just uh present that uh new architectural plan set to you guys to review if that makes sense. >> I think so. It just sounds like you're switching from the the special permit 17. You're going to move away from that
and the multif family and just propose a talk the shop instead. Exactly. Yeah. Sounds sounds more procedural. >> Correct. Exactly. It's just everything every exact thing everything else remains the same. It's just moving for that and we'll still meet all those
other requirements as as with the site plan review. >> Okay. And and Paul >> Paul, sorry. I was going to ask is this like sort of like a one of those like dismiss without prejudice type situations or >> That's what I was going to ask. Yeah.
No, I think I still want to continue because we're still doing site plan review. I just want to amend it slight because we're taking in essence I'm taking off the special permit. So should I as Steve said should I be withdrawing that part but keeping the special per
site plan review moving forward for the next date. I see I see two different things two things we because we need the site plan review regardless for top of the shop and then the special permit. We don't need that anymore because we're not requesting that that part of it.
>> Well, a special permit still needed for the affordable units. >> Yeah. But not for the the >> not for the multif family >> multif family. Yeah. But affordable units will will definitely go ahead and meet that requirement. That's what we're looking to do that regardless. So with the special permit 17 then is would that
be an amendment or would that have to be uh for lack of a better term cancelled that one and and apply a new one for the the affordable housing? >> Well this was yeah this was a kind of gray area um at this point I you know it
certainly you know we were thinking I was thinking it could be an amendment. One of the things I just maybe this isn't relevant or not but um as you know you have elections coming up in midappril. >> Yep. >> So if we're to make a decision for Mr.
Larkin, we need to do it, you know, now because if this is if it's a withdraw and filing a new application, then don't wait, you know, we'd have to wait until after the elections because he would be coming right up against the
closest the soonest he would be would be like one meeting before the election. So, I don't want to put anyone >> or the board in that position. Looking at this, it seemed like the plan was still largely the same. The use on the first floor is different.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. What happened to Fortune is um Mr. Chairman, we we did apply for this earlier. There was an error in the noticing requirements. So that kind of we lost a month there just an error with the noticing requirements through the town. So that's why the first month was
kind of just a lost month, >> right? I mean, >> wouldn't this have to be resubmitted, fully resubmitted because of the change? >> But all I'm doing is just they're removing the special permanent multif family
requirement. The cyber plan review still stays in place. >> Yeah. So it says there's two parts to this. It's like do we just let them amend the second part which is the special permit because the site plan where we that's not changing. We're going to >> we're going to go forward with that. is
just what do we do with the special permit since now the special permit being the basically the permission being asked for is going to change from multif family to affordable uh housing um >> well an affordability component I know it's not the whole thing is not
affordable housing >> not the whole thing we a portion of it >> um right >> I mean my my gut instinct is allow the amendment just to let it you know I think that's easier even though less clean path I think that's the easier
path That's my opinion. Um, but I'll I'll at this point I'll open up to the board get any any second opinions or anything like that. >> Maybe maybe it's just playing it extra safe. What if we just continue to the
next meeting with Allen and Tim and give them like a final say in it. I don't know if we need to make a because if we're not making a decision tonight, >> the concern is if we don't make some decision tonight, then basically we're forcing Mr. Larkin to by default work
with a different board instead of trying to get this done before the board uh before the elections in early April. That's that's that it's a timing concern. So that's so and that's part of the reason why in my head an amendment while not clean would be the quickest
way. And I think from at least from my understanding, you know, it would it should work as long as all the paperwork's in order. Um, but again, that's it's it's a timing concern, not a not a procedural concern. >> Okay.
>> I mean, u >> Steve, the whole the whole presentation would be done when all the full board is here any so right now we're just doing a you know, in essence a continuence and it's a minor amendment. So when the full board comes to place on March 17, they all hear it and and review it at that
point then. So we'd have a full quorum and everyone here to review it. I mean if I there's nothing that prevents me from saying you should remove your special permit for sure. The site plan if the building's not moving, I don't
see anything failing. The driveway is going to be the same. So, I I'm fine with continuing as it with the site plan as it is and being further reviewed like I mean it seems good.
>> The project is not being voted on tonight. So, yeah. Okay. >> No, not not the whole project. It's just the decision is do we allow the amendment or do we make them do a whole new a whole new special permit? Unless Bob might am I misrepresenting that? Well, they they wouldn't be
pulling a special permit then, but it just be the site plan. So, like, yeah, that's right. It's >> Well, they'd still need this. He will still need the special permit for the affordable housing because in in either case, he's over six units. >> Okay. So,
>> yeah, would if we if we were to meet those requirements, you know, regardless, it seems like it's it's pretty plain in the BO what what would happen, how many units you have to go to do. I think we would meet those requirements, >> right? Yeah. Yeah. I don't see a problem
with that. >> Yeah. I'm not I'm not going to in my special for I'm not going to ask for some sort of something different than what is required in the bylaw. >> Right. Right. I don't >> Sure. Yeah. Okay. I I don't have any issue with the
>> I mean, do you have Steve you have any any issues with just amending the current permit just to fit with the new scenario with with the site plan not changing? I have no problem with with continuing with the site plan not changing changing.
>> All right. Um Paul, is anything we need to do then or? >> No. >> No. At this point, it's Mr. Larkin coming in with the amended material, but you would continue it till uh March 17th. >> Okay. Um
>> 17 is going to be a day. It's it's it's fun one, let me tell you. >> We if if we're all hopefully we're all in person next time. I I might be bringing drinks. Who knows? Um >> round of kinesses for everybody. >> Yeah, St. Patty's Day. It's a national.
>> Um but okay. So I guess what I'd be looking for is Well, do we need to Paul just said part of the motion? >> Yeah. Um, do we procedurally do we have to mention anything in the motion about the special permit or do you need anything to say
we're okay with it? I at this point I would just say your mo your motion is just to continue >> to continue. Okay. All right. So, um, any other questions or stuff or else I'm looking for a motion >> motion to continue?
>> Uh, Rob started it so we'll give it to Rob. >> Second. I can do the second. >> All right. Frank Frank with the motion, Rob with the second. Um we'll do a roll call for um continuing SPR9 and special
permit 17 to March 17th. Uh Frank, >> yes. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. And I'm a yes. So, we are continued until the 17th. Thank you everyone. I appreciate it. Have a good evening. Thank you.
>> Thank you. You're welcome. Looks like we got one more agenda piece on here. Um, we have special permit 37 and slight site plan review approval SPR20. Uh, for 246 East Main Street who
the owner is the advanced group LLC. Uh the applicant is Maruti Wellness Norton LLC and the uh the applicant is seeking approval for a 2,000 square foot marijuana retail facility within an existing office building. This lucky
green ladies >> no >> that's an old colony. >> Yeah. >> Okay. You're right. No. Okay. So this will be our third and you know last uh post community agreement for marijuana retail space. So this is actually
proposed to be going into an a space that was once an MRI facility. So it's >> it's at 246 East Main Street. You you'll know that's where the Dunkin Donuts is. >> Um and this is on the far end of that building. Okay. So I do see some uh I
see Valario Romano and I see Yash Patel here who are the applicants. >> All right, Mr. Romano uh or Miss Patel if you're ready. >> Thank you Mr. Norris acting chair and uh
thank you Mr. Zeppi. I guess my question uh largely first before we get started I'm Valerio Ormano. I'm uh an attorney in Massachusetts and California. I've licensed whether at the local or state level scores of cannabis businesses. I
was co-author of the ballot initiative to end cannabis prohibition in Mass. Was actually also used to be chair of the Cohassid Conservation Commission before I moved. Um so I've been doing this a while. We were uh awarded our host community agreement by the Norton um
select board some months ago and now we're here in front of you and I I heard somebody speaking earlier potentially in a butter or somebody with an interest and we there was some discussion as to uh members of the board and I was sort of looking at the the board on the
website but I know sometimes websites are slow to be updated or whatnot. So, I was hoping that um somebody could tell me um you know what the what the status of the me the membership is who are here tonight and what may be here because it
seemed like there was already a contemplated continuence. So, um I would just maybe before I moved on and wasted the board's time with the presentation. Um and just so you know I am also joined by Yesesh Patel who's a member of the Moody team and uh Craig Sig Sigawowski
from RM engineering uh co uh as well for the presentation. But before we launched into it I wanted to see what uh the status of full members of the board are and and and sort of get that piece ironed out.
Well, I mean, currently, like I said, there's five out of seven of the board is here. So, I mean, if if we were going to vote on anything today, I I believe at this point, we need, you know, you would looking for unanimous uh approval of your project. Um, so
>> we need all five or just four out of five. >> I believe it's five. You would need five. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's all five. >> We would need five. >> So, right. So it's it's up to you um if you want to postpone your uh
presentation to a later date. Um so make sure you get seven people on the board. Again, we are having elections in April. Um so but I mean again this this is virtual and we're down to five just because essentially weather and and b
and and travel. Um, so I I will let you decide if you want to have the presentation now with the five of us to try to come to conclusion tonight or if you want to wait your presentation for when all seven of the board uh members of the board are available. >> Would you expect that all seven would be here at the next hearing? Is that you
can >> I have I have no indication that it' be anything different. I just can't promise anything because it's from now. >> So I I would say I would assume a a normal board on the 17th. Um I don't >> Let me ask you this. you uh um you can't
mull it in if you missed the first hearing, right? So, it's not like we could start with five, continue it to for the vote. They could look at the video and then still be able to vote. Is do you do you know uh Mr. Jeppi, for some reason, I feel like you can't mull
it in if you miss missed the first hearing, but I'm not positive about that. >> Yeah, that I'm I'm not aware of. >> I I could be wrong. I mean, I I obviously, you know, look, I don't think cannabis is controversial anymore. You guys know in Norton about it. You
already have, you know, other stores. There's 300 open in the Commonwealth, but really no issues at all. We're we're appropriately zoned. Um, you know, we are u, you know, in the commercial underlying district and in
the mod. We don't we don't propose any outside construction whatsoever. It's 2,000 square feet in an existing building. Um, we've answered the various questions that we got during the various meetings and as as part of this proposal. So, I don't see it as controversial, but then again, it's
cannabis and I've been doing this for a while and things that I don't think are controversial can be controversial. So, I'd of course rather have seven people vote on it. Uh, if that means we shouldn't start tonight and just ask for a continuence, I would defer to you guys. if we could start tonight and you
think the other two would review the tape and mull it in and and be able to vote, that would be great for me, too. Um, so I'd sort of defer to you on how you want to proceed. It sounds like your March 17th hearing is pretty full, but I don't mind, you know, waiting on the
agenda, um, and being at the end of it. Um, so I would kind of defer to you. Um, I would my my goal would be to have seven votes though, I think, um, instead of requiring unanimous five. Okay. Um I do see your hand raised but
hold on a second. I will get to you definitely. Um so uh just so the board knows I'm thinking honestly continuing uh let all the voices heard. The other option would be is we listen today and then we you know obviously let
them listen. I don't I don't think we'd be at a point where we necessarily want to close a public hearing tonight uh regardless. So I think for me the determining factor is I don't see closing public hearing. So it just just for the sake of today's time as opposed to 3 weeks from
now time. It might be worth just looking for a continuence. Um but I will I will go to the board for their opinion if if there's a different opinion. >> I'd rather continue. >> I'd say continue. >> Okay. >> Yeah, we can continue. >> That's fine with me.
>> I agree. I know uh Miss Maren, if I may call you, I know she has people that want to be heard. So, I would say continue as well. >> Okay. >> Yeah, that that's true for the >> Oh, that's right. Marine waited. Dite is Are we >> Well, well, I she will definitely have a a chance to speak. We're not going to
make any motions or anything yet. U but I just want want uh Mr. Romano, Mr. Patel get a feeling of where we're where we're leaning at the moment so they can, >> you know, if if they still want to present, I'm not going to stop them. Uh but I think I think they understand the sentiment of the board.
>> Yeah, I do. And I, you know, and I like to be transparent. I mean, we've got, you know, we got 30 local people already signed, you know, uh letters of or signatures of support for this and have been presented and maybe give us more time to get more of them, you know. So, I I feel like this is a pretty
non-controversial proposal uh given the fact that Norton's already, you know, familiar with this use. But I also like to be transparent and if there are abutters or abutters to abutters that you know have an interest that were unable to show up um I don't I certainly
don't want to you know prejudice their ability to have their set you know have their two cents put in. So >> yeah so I would agree to a continuous I don't I'm not insist I don't think we have a particularly long presentation. We, you know, I feel like we meet all of
the criteria for the regular special permit and the additional criteria for the marijuana retailer permit. I went through it all extensively and and I'm fairly certain we meet it all. So, but so I don't see it as being particularly controversial, but like I said, if there's a voters that want to speak and
they don't think they're going to get the opportunity, if we continue tonight, uh then um I and it sounds like the preference of the board would be just to continue the whole thing and not go into the presentation, we can certainly do that. Um I I don't want to cut anybody
out who wants to be heard on the issue. >> Thank you, Mr. Romano. Um, okay. If you don't mind muting yourself, um, go ahead. >> Yeah, of course. >> Meen. >> Uh, so Moren, if you don't mind, uh, stating your name and address, uh, once again for the record. >> Moren Schroinski,
283 East Main Street. I'm president of the Kingsbury Hill Condo Association. To be clear, there were a few of us who had a meeting with the Patels, a neighborhood meeting. There were only about four of us there. It was the
lights didn't work when we got there and wasn't a very um appropriate meeting. And I will tell you, I represent 40 homeowners here. I also know there are a number of homeowners in the Redm Mill
development um who may have concerns. I know that they may have gotten 30 letters of support, but I would question whether they were from abutters. And it's not the nature of marijuana that we
have concerns about. It is the location um of this particular um program and the fact Norton already has two. Do we need a three? It's in um a budding a nursery school and a budding
a karate school that has young people there going in and out. and the current entrance issues on on any given day you're going to see near misses happen in that entrance. So there are concerns
about the design of the entrance um which isn't just for their facility but into that whole area of 274 East Maine. Um, and I think that those are issues that we feel need to be significantly
addressed before this project is allowed to proceed. So I I would I think that would be in the best interest of Norton and the planning board to continue this to your next meeting. >> Okay. I continue to. Yeah.
>> All right. Thank you, Mrs. Rosinski. Um, >> we had another is there a legal Mr. Chairman, I'm sorry. >> Thank you. >> Um, she's mentioning the proximity to the nursery school and the well the crowd school but the nursery school too.
Um, is there a legal thing? I thought there were some distances or that were required. >> Uh, Mr. Roman trouble there. >> Yeah, I can jump in. the Norton the Norton bylaw um only has a setback requirement from schools K through 12. >> So those are not offending uses and I
had spoken to Mr. Det Jeppi about this months ago about not he didn't approve in any way one way or the other of the of you know of our project but just strictly from a zoning perspective is what our conversation was. I don't want to put any other words in his mouth and
I know he's on the call as well. um we are appropriately zoned uh you know and so we don't with the the Norton bylaw it used to be years ago that there was this sort of you know um reefer madness about
just being near kids in general um that proved to be uh you know not really something that was a big concern. These places are actually far more secure. They're like little Apple stores especi you know they're really nice. There's a lot of work that goes into the interiors
of them. There's cameras all over. It's it's really it's a really secure facility. Um and so those have been those gone by the wayside some years ago and Norton chose not to put them in their bylaw. It's just K through 12. So those those are not legal or really
logical ways to preclude the sighting of this. >> Okay, that's fine. And my question wasn't to judge the store. It was just whether we're getting in trouble if we approved that. No, no, not under the Norton bylaw or with the state either. Both both of them have no issue with what with this with this site.
>> Okay. >> Do we have to add two new package stores or we can get by with one? >> Sorry, that's a town joke. >> Yeah. >> All right. Hold on. Hold on. Rob, do you have any other questions? >> My question would be also to consider the hours of operation. And if we heard
>> they were going to be operating till 11:00 p.m. at night. >> If any of you chose choose drive by that site >> after 10:00 at night, everything's closed. It's very dark. The lighting is terrible. And they're opening early in
the morning, which again is a major traffic issue on 123. And if you do a traffic study, we're asking you not to just count the number of cars because we've been through those before when Redmill came up, but it's more the
nature of the entrance to the area where this um project is going to be. >> Okay. Thank you, Moren. Yeah. Know well when when we get the the complete when we have the presentation that all those
things will be under consideration of those. So >> well hours of operations, lighting, traffic, all all that stuff will be uh uh scrutinized with the proposal. Um all right and thanks for being patient. Miss
Miss Patel, would you mind uh uh yeah, unmuting and introduce yourself? >> Yeah. Uh good evening, guys. Uh this is I'm Yash Patel U Chanc Lexington, Massachusetts.
Uh I'm one of the applicant. I'm a cardiologist by uh profession. Um I don't do this for fun. I truly believe in this. Uh and that's why I'm here in front of you guys. Um one of the comment
that was made by the awarder was um about our committee outreach meeting. I just want to um clear the air for the board um members. Um there was some technical uh problems with lighting uh where we were going to uh do the
community outreach meeting. We did it at the facility. So as for the uh people to know what the facility uh will be like um most of the people who has done the community outreach meeting they typically don't do at the facility. We are probably the first of the few ones
that did that after uh we got the approval from the town u manager. Having said that, you know, we spent about hour and a half uh probably I, you know, I I could be seeing patients um during that time, but I chose to do this because I truly believe in it and I feel by all
honesty and heart and wholeheartedly, you know, we were able to provide all the questions and the answers um to the aer that came in and asked the questions. Um if somebody's uh um uh is questioning that, you know, I doubt
their um diligence on this matter. Um the CCC or the cannabis control commission uh doesn't need applicants to um do this meeting in a party lights or like something like that. Uh there was
appropriate lighting where we did this. We did the PowerPoint uh presentation from my um laptop and all the questions were appropriately answered in um the best possible uh uh manner. So I just
wanted to clear the air for the board members that that we did follow the uh protocol um and we did it appropriately. Thank you. >> Thank you very much Patel. Appreciate the the comments. Um
if if if you're all set with comments and questions, if you don't mind lowering your hand. Um going to give that a minute. Uh if the board I know we're going to have probably full presentation in a few weeks, but um given the the extra commentary, does the board have any further comments and
questions that maybe help shape the the presentation we're going to see in a few weeks? Not seeing any movement. Not really. >> Both sides seem to want more time. I think we should just let them have it. >> Oh, yeah. No, I'm honestly hoping the the feedback is heard and and ingested
into the upcoming presentation so we can have the best presentation possible. >> Correct. >> And and give Moren and and the other rebutters a chance to also come in and hopefully we can see all see each other in person. Uh, all right. With that being said, if there's nothing else and we'd be uh looking for a motion.
>> Motion to continue to March 17th. It's getting easy to remember that date. >> Second. >> All right. Motion in a second. Um, >> huh.
Um, so, uh, I'll do a roll call for, uh, continuing special permit 37 and site plan review 20 to March 17th, which I'm just Isn't that St. Patrick's Day? Um, >> can we do it at the GOAT? >> I know. I know. We really should bring the
>> G. Um, sorry, getting late. Uh, roll call. Frank, >> yes. >> Rob, >> yes. Steve, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. So, we will continue
those to March 17th. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Thank you very much, members of the board, and we'll see you in a few weeks. Have a great night. >> Thank you. >> Warm and safe out there. >> Thank you. >> And it looks like next our agenda is the
covenant release and shity for Belfforms. Uh Paul, is there any anything you want to talk to about this? Yeah. Well, this was one of the ones that since we were meeting virtually, uh, you know, we will need you to sign
the a couple of forms there. U, there's a covenant release for the first, um, I think 22 lots. This is regarding Balfor Farm. So, >> yeah, >> you'll see that there, you know, that there's some development that's been occurring there. So, um, and I think Al,
are you on? >> Yes, I am. Paul, >> great. So, I'm not going to talk long. So the really the two things that you will need to do is to sign the shity rel uh uh the u covenant release and then
once you release that Al has then proposed and he's has a he had pat Brennan who also is doing was doing the cost estimates for the remaining work that he is posting he will be posting a bond for that amount of money to help complete the roadway and all the other
Thanks. >> So Al, if you have anything else. >> Yeah, so I just want to add that um you know, just a little background. So currently we we have a a release of covenant for Lloyd Circle 22 house lots
and the the shity for that was was essentially not releasing the first 2 numbers 1 through 22. Now that we need a release of one through 22, we need to put put up shity for all the remaining work, which as Paul said, Pat Brennan,
who is the peer review for for your board in town, has prepared an estimate for the for the uncompleted work along with um um escalation for the amount of time that it'll take. Um, we're proposing to
to to secure that shity in the form of a bond. I've furnished uh a sample of that bond to the town treasurer to make sure that it's to her satisfaction. So, what we're looking for um for a vote is to
release the lots subject to uh satisfactory shity in the form of a bond. And again, my insurance company just wants to make sure that, you know, it's it's it's, you know, it's written the way that the treasurer is comfortable with it. Now, I gave it to
the treasurer last week. I'm sure she was she was trying to get it done for tonight's meeting, but again, town hall being closed yesterday and today. Uh, it's understandable that she couldn't get to it. So um so again ultimately we
want to you know I just want to stress that whatever whatever your vote is it's it's to release the lots but the shity um is got to be satisfactory to the treasurer who I believe would be the authority in terms of determining if
it's if it's the right shity and if there's any other questions I'm happy to answer them. Uh just just to make sure so we'd be voting on the release but also on the shy pending the approval of the treasurer
>> right so the release doesn't become you know the release would be the form being signed the covenant you know the vote along with the signatures on the covenant releasing the watch one through 22 but it doesn't become reality until she's satisfied if you could vote in
that fashion um that would protect you guys the town and and just keep it keep it clean. >> Okay. And Paul, did you have any any qualms about us basically doing it in that way? Basically saying uh
uh what's the word on that condition? >> Yeah. And and we should point out too that the the overall cost for the offshurity is $473,346. That was Pat Brennan's estimate. I I just think, you know, um >> No, Paul, I don't mean to interrupt,
Paul, but it's it's that's only for uh one of them. So, it's it's essentially double that. >> That was just for Lloyd. >> That's just for Lloyd. And and Germaine was another number. I I don't have it in front of me, but it was similar. So, the
So, the the bond is going to be in excess of 900,000. >> Okay. I don't think I have that one. >> No, Pat Pat furnished both of them. They're on the same email. I again I'm Excuse me for not being able to bring
that. Well, I wouldn't be able to show it to you anyways, but it's on the same email from Pat and it shows Lloyd and then it shows Germaine. >> Oh, Paul's looking that up. Does >> Yeah. No, I all I received was Germaine. I I never re I Well, anyway.
>> Okay. Well, either way, we we have to post shity for Lloyd and Germaine to to make the So, so in order to release lots one through 22, you the town has to have shity for Lloyd because Lloyd's shy right now is
basically lots one through 22 and you're giving that up by releasing them. So we're posting shity for for both roads for all 44 lots for all remaining work along with escalations and again the number is something north
of 900,000 less than a million. >> Well it sounds like the proced I think at least saying the procedure that we're asking to be done. Um, does anybody on the board have any questions for uh this this covenant release and sh acceptance?
>> No. >> No, I'm also >> So, just just to make sure I got it correct. Um the vote would be for releasing the Balffor Farm subdivision covenant as well as accepting the shity
of the remaining work um in condition that it's accepted by the treasurer. Is that about right for the >> if you could add lots one through 22? I mean it's the same. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah, it it's the same because that's really all that the
covenant covers right now because the other the other lots 23 through 44 have already been released on the same covenant. So, I'm I'm just I'm just I'm just putting belt and suspenders in there. That's all. >> No, that's fine. But it sounds like it
would be release of the covenant for the Belffor subdivisions lots 1 through 22 and the acceptance of the shity for Germaine and Lloyd pending acceptance by the treasurer. >> Yes. Yes.
>> So looking and it would be a bond >> uh cash. >> All right. Correct. It would be >> sh bond >> acceptance of a shity bond for both uh Lloyd and German. So moved.
Just so I don't have to repeat all that. >> Second. >> We got a motion in a second. Well, let's go ahead and we'll do a roll call. Uh Frank, >> yes. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve,
>> yes. >> All right. So, we have uh go ahead and done that. So that is but this is the thing that we'll have to come into town hall to have notorized. Correct Paul? Yes. For both. So all right. So we
>> need to pick a day, right? >> Just give us just give Brian or myself a heads up. >> And then also remember we have that other thing to sign the ANR. >> We have the ANR as well. A and the uh uh Nuland Street.
Um, is town hall open tomorrow? Do you mind? >> Yes, it will be. It should be. >> Yes, they've announced it's it'll be open. >> Okay, cool. >> I just hope my streets plowed. >> Oh, yeah. Wait, you're you're down in Providence.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. My son's street is horrible in Pakucket. So, >> yeah. My sister's in Warwick and they had like they got just around what Providence got. It was insane. Warick broke a record. >> Yeah. >> 3 ft of snow.
>> They just plowed my uh daughter's road about two hours ago. >> Yeah. I I heard a truck as as the meeting was started. I am if it if they got my side after this meeting. I'm going out there and plowing it and then tomorrow morning get up early and get
get what they they whatever they've done throughout the night. >> Until a minute before this meeting, I was not able to get out of this place. >> I have to believe it. Yeah. >> Out of breath when I first came on. Huh. >> I live on Oak Street. I gotta say they were going up and down
>> like the whole day. >> Yeah. They did a great job. Did a great job. >> Yeah, they did a great job. I mean, obviously they got to a point where it like melted today. Like I went on a walk this morning. It was so great. Um because there was there were no cars. It was a travel band. So I was just like >> say on Oak Street. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I was like little kids were playing and I was like I feel more get done. >> Okay. All right. Sorry. >> Sorry. >> It's okay. Trust me, I understand. >> We've all been cooped up. >> We got We got >> I was I was trouble just before we started. I'm surprised I'm still awake.
Um so we have two discussion points left in some minutes to go over. Um let's actually let's do the discussion for the historic district commission first. We're looking for a representative. Uh what's going on there, Paul?
>> So we had a meeting last week. uh Steve Allen and myself met with Alec, Alec, Bob and uh Mark Gould. >> In the context, the meeting was really ded by the the village center court core uh proposal to resend it
>> and um one of the discussions that came out was a concern about protecting the historic district. Mhm. >> And at that point, I think it might have been Allan who said, "Well, maybe we
should be thinking about having a representative to the historic district commission." I don't know, Steve, if you want to add anything to that. >> Nominate Steve. >> Second. >> Yeah. >> Before you say, >> I had mentioned that they need
guidelines and standards and I started drafting it for them. >> Yeah. So, I'll take the position if everybody wants to vote. >> Let's get this vote before Steve changes his mind. >> Before he runs away. Yeah. >> Yes.
>> Oh, is anybody else interested? Is this Is everybody on No. >> Sounds like everybody's on on the same page. This is actually >> making a motion to nominate Steve Watch to his commission. >> All right. I got a motion in a second and I see Steve's not going to fight it. So, >> let's do a quick roll call. Uh we are
nominating um a representative from the planning board to be part of the historic district commission. Uh Frank, how do you feel about see filling that role? >> Uh yeah, I guess so. Yes. >> All right. >> I guess so. That's funny. Say yes.
>> Yes. >> Yes. >> And Steve? Yeah. And I say yes. All right. Very cool. That was nice and easy. >> Congratulations, Steve. Thank you. >> Good. Now you you'll you'll you'll you'll do a good job there. That's I
think I think that's a good fit for you. >> That's actually why I wanted them. Yeah. >> Um All right. So, next one might be a little more verbose of a conversation. It's to discuss uh the zoning B update regarding definitions and village center core.
>> U Paul, did you have any updates about uh village center core? >> Yeah. Um so again the we we met um to talk specifically about the proposal on the warrant to rescend it and
we we tried to hone in on what the major issues were. Again his the protection of the historic district was one. The the other ultimately was concern about the building heights. This VCC is the tallest at 60 feet and four stories.
Um as part of that discussion we talked about um reducing it to match up with village commercial which is 45 ft and three stories. So presumably that's what's going to be on going on the warrant is that
>> okay >> along with u the the uh the definitions for u mixeduse development and and top of the shop. So, um, March 12th, we'll get this on your calendar. There's going
to be a joint meeting with the select board to cover, uh, both the the reduction in the in the, uh, height and, uh, number of stories as well as the definitions. So, it'll be that's a Thursday, >> right, >> at six o'clock.
>> Yeah, you need me there. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah. They the board >> is 62. >> 6. Yes. >> Uh we'll get that on your calendar. >> Okay. Excellent. Thank you.
>> The notice is going out on the in the Sun Chronicle uh th this coming Thursday and then the next Thursday. >> So >> yeah, I could I couldn't make it. I saw your email, but I had um a prior come on Thursday, so I couldn't make it for the
discussion. So thanks for filling us in. >> Yeah. Yeah. So, >> it'll be your public hearing uh for the the two uh zoning bylaw uh proposals. >> Okay. I'll be there.
>> I'm going to look to move something and try and be there. >> I can be there on the 12th. >> That sounds good. Sounds like we have a majority of that. I should be able to make that as well. >> 6 p.m., right? >> Yes. >> Yeah. That'll be time certain. So, you
know, typically when you when we have a joint meeting and it's on the select board, they they want to get you all up first and then >> Yeah. >> that completed. >> Oh, when might we be be out of there by >> 6:30? 7.
>> No, seriously. >> No, honestly, they're usually pretty quick. So, >> yeah, >> it really depends on on how long, you know, the two boards want to talk. Really? >> Yeah. I mean, this one might be a little longer than previous ones if I had to guess. >> Maybe. I mean, I think
>> I mean, sounds like we know ahead of time what they're what they're thinking about. So, I mean, >> so might it's a little less of a discussion, but I mean, it sounds like I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Papa. Sounds like instead of rescending, they're thinking, just adjusting. Is that >> right? >> Okay. So,
>> yeah. I don't know if you do you have a same thoughts. Oh, I yeah, they're just going to adjust it. I I I think they're very comfortable at this point just lowering the height of the buildings. That That seems to be where we're at. And >> Right.
>> down the road >> down the road, they may want to add some uses back into the use table. >> Yeah. >> Right. >> Yeah. I just I kind of like I mentioned at the last like board meeting I was at and it's like let's just have the discussions, you know? I was I was a
little little worried about throwing the baby out with a bath water because I'm like there's you know the the BCC is there for a reason. Um so I'm happy they're they're looking to adjust. That that is that is much better than getting rid of the whole thing and then that'll give us time to have more discussions
and potentially present something brand new in the in the fall or not brand new but more adjustments in the fall. >> Yeah. Cool. >> So you're staying Eric? >> Huh? You're staying. >> I'm staying in the fall. Well, I'm not
physically in town for the fall as far as I know. Um I make no other promises after that. Uh Barbrey might be involved for for any other changes. Um but uh no, I I mean I'll still be going to the town town meetings. That's that
that is not changing. >> Okay. So um >> I'll be meeting >> Peter >> um was that the sorry with the update regarding definitions that the was that all also about village center or is that
something else? >> That's the top of the shop housing. >> Yeah. >> And that was your your thing, Steve, right? >> Yeah. Yeah. Is it's just the one sentence line at the at the end as far as I'm concerned. Uh Paul, I I don't know if you mentioned about the mixeduse thing. I don't know if we have to add
that in yet. >> Oh, I I Well, you all voted on it, so >> Okay. >> I've included both definitions. >> Okay. Just copyright over from the MBTA, right? >> Yeah. Well, I took yours. I took what you had given
>> because we we have a different on the >> the page I give you, but there was edits to it. >> Yeah. So, as a group, we didn't agree to do any of the edits for the mixeduse thing.
>> Okay. I'll just make sure that we're using uh the ones that are already in the MOOD. >> Okay. Me, too. >> Um, so, but for this particular thing, well, actually before that, Paul, did we have any push back from the town
manager? I'm sorry on >> proposing this line at town meeting >> the definitions. >> Yeah. >> No. >> Okay. >> No, I mean again he wanted to have everything but you know the they're going to move forward on the the
building height. So >> Okay. >> Um I'm sorry to cut you off. So, the meeting on 312, we're going to decide if this is going to be a warrant to be voted on the town spring meeting. Is that am I following that right? >> No, it's actually it's No, thank you for
clarifying that. No, you're actually going to be making a recommendation to town meeting whether you're if you support it or not. >> The town isn't going to be voting on it. >> I'm sorry. >> So, the town the town residents won't be
voting on it. not 12th but you're so what happens >> they will be they will be okay >> but the meeting on the 12th is you your recommendation and the select boards
which will be presented you know within the warrant as well at the May town meeting >> okay >> the decision to have it in the town meeting is already made we're just whether or not we want to basically endorse it >> is that >> correct yes Okay.
>> Thank you. >> Yep. >> All right. >> I say I want to now and skip the meeting. >> I think we're that was the last discussion or was any other any comments? I >> think you were going to go to minutes. >> We are going to go to final minutes. All
right. Um I don't have the list in front of me. What? Uh Brian, you still there? >> Hi. >> Hi. All right. What are we doing? So, as I said in the email, I had given you guys the minutes. Uh, you can decide how
much, but those are the ones that aren't listed on the website. U, we did go over the ones that Tim had given the list for, and I caught up on that, but the others are missing.
So, it's your choice to approve them tonight or tell me how much of the group you want to do in the last three meetings so we can catch up with this board or
uh whenever. >> I did review the ones you sent out. >> I personally I I did read it. I went through them. There's a lot of them. >> There's 39. Remember, right? Yeah, there's a lot >> there. There was a lot. Yeah. >> Yeah. Most of them I w I wasn't even on the board.
>> I was going to say I'm comfortable doing the ones from what it looks like May 6th, 2025 until today or whenever the latest one was because I didn't really review the ones that I wasn't on the board for because I know I can't vote on them anyways. But
>> I reviewed the from May 2nd onward. >> So basically the second half. >> Yeah, pretty much. Okay. Um, does everybody have a chance to It sounds like everybody a chance to actually read them all. >> Yes. >> Um, so I would be comfortable doing this
the May onward with with the current people here and then we can we can do the rest of them with >> Yeah, we can do that. >> Older people. >> Okay. >> Correction. Sorry. It was May 6th and not May second. >> May 6th. Yep. I got >> because like Bridget Yeah. When I say a review, the first thing I looked at was
the date and if it wasn't during my term I just Yeah. No, that's fine. Yeah, let's let's let's uh let's let's go ahead and we'll we'll start going through these. Um looks like we're gonna I'm going to give out a date and be looking for motions as we go. Um May 6.
Looking for um >> Yep. >> second. >> All right. Motion approves and seconded. Um All right. Roll call. Frank >> may I wasn't even on >> Oh, you >> Oh, that's true. You weren't. >> I wasn't on the board.
>> You can't You can't abstain. >> I'm going to Yeah. >> All right, Rob. >> Yes, >> Bridget. >> Yes, >> Steve. >> Yes. >> And I'm a Yes. Um, actually, when did you start? That was in December, right? >> All right.
>> Um, I'm gonna ask you to just abstain just so you're on the record there. All right. Next one. Uh, May 20th. Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right, roll call. Frank, >> abstain. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget,
>> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. Uh, June 3. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. Roll call. Frank. >> Rob. >> Yes. >> Bridget, >> yes.
>> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. That one's approved. Uh June 17th is the next one. >> U motion to approve. Sorry. >> Second. >> All right. Uh roll call. Frank, >> I abstain.
>> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. That one's approved. Uh see, June 17th, July 8th, that's the next one. >> Motion to approve. >> Seconded.
>> All right. Uh roll call. Frank, >> I abstain. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. Those minutes are approved. Next one is July 22nd. >> Motion to approve. >> Second.
>> All right. Motion to approve. Uh Frank, >> I abstain. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. Those are approved. Uh August 5th looks like the next one. >> Motion to approve. Second.
>> All right. Motion to approve and seconded. Frank, >> I abstain. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> Um, yes, those are approved. Uh, August 26th. >> Motion to approve. >> Second.
>> All right. Motion approve and seconded. Franko. >> Rob. >> Yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. I'm a yes. Uh, those minutes are approved. Uh, September 9th. >> Uh, motion to approve. I'm sorry.
>> Second. >> You're okay. We'll get there. Uh, motion uh to approve and seconded. Uh, Frank, >> I abstain. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. Uh, and I I now lost my
place. That was the September >> September 9th. September. >> Okay. September 23rd. >> Yeah. To approve. >> Second. Motion to approve and seconded. Frank, >> I abstain. >> Yes.
>> Yep. Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yep. >> And I'm a yes. Next minutes are October 7th. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Motion to approve and seconded. Frank, >> I abain. >> Rob, >> yes.
>> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And Eric, yes. Uh October 21st. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> All right. Motion to approve and seconded. Frank >> Rob, >> yes.
>> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. All right. We're getting close to where Frank can say yes. >> I know. >> Um November 6th. >> Motion to approve. >> Second. >> Uh motion approve and seconded for 116.
Frank, >> I abstain. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. Next one is November 18th. >> Motion to approve. Second. >> All right. Motion and seconded. Frank,
>> I abstain. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yep. >> And I'm a yes. So, those are approved. All right. Next one's December 2nd. >> Motion to approve. >> Seconded. >> All right. Motion to approve and
seconded. Uh Frank, >> may I stay? >> Almost there. Almost there. >> Almost there. Yeah. Let me know. >> It's the next one. >> Bridget. >> Okay. Thank you, Bridget. >> Yes, >> Steve. >> Yes. >> And I'm Yes. Those are those minutes are
approved now. December 16th. >> Motion to approve. >> Seconded. >> All right. Motion to approve and seconded. Frank. >> Yes. >> We got there. All right. Yes, >> Bridget. >> Yes, >> Steve.
>> Yes. >> And I'm a yes. I kind of want to say no just to be contrarian. Uh, next one. January 6th, 2026. >> Approve. >> Second. >> All right. Uh, Frank, >> yes. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget,
>> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. Those are approved. Uh, next one. Uh, January 20th, 2026. >> Motion to approve. Seconded. >> All right. Motion to approve and seconded. Frank, >> yes.
>> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. All right. One last one for today. February 3rd. >> All right. Do we have a second? >> All right. Motion approved and second. Frank, >> yes. >> Rob,
>> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. Even though I want to say no. >> All right. So, we got the second half all approved. I really appreciate you guys. >> That's the most fun I've ever had. Approving minutes. I think
>> All right. >> I'll get dressed up for it next time, too. I got like a little bow and something. >> No, we had a good flow going there. It was good. >> We did. We did. >> Everybody do their part. >> Yeah. >> Well, that was the last thing on the agenda. I don't think I missed anything.
Um, anything you guys want to bring up before I look for art or I'm looking for a motion? Well, we're all having a job. Everybody remember that your wildlife around you is having it worse. Be nice to them. >> Sorry. You guys know what I'm like away
from here. So, >> motion to adjourn. >> Motion to adjourn. Yes. >> Second. >> All right. Motion. Second. Roll call. Frank, >> yes. >> Rob, >> yes. >> Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> And I'm a yes. Thank you, everyone.
>> Thank you, Eric. Eric, >> bye everyone. Stay safe. >> Bye. >> Take care. Bye-bye.