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Part 1 (Video ID: UatPBGmyej8):
- 00:00:00: Meeting Opening, Agenda Review, and Minor Bill Approval
- 00:01:05: Discussion and Approval: Modification to Southwest Street Duplexes
- 00:06:49: Election of Secondary Signer and Meeting Date Scheduling
- 00:09:59: Further Meeting Date Discussion and Spring/Fall Town Meeting Warrants
- 00:14:50: Fall Town Meeting Strategy: Bylaw Updates Discussion
- 00:18:51: Planning Board Clerk Resignation Announcement
- 00:20:12: Future Clerk Role and MBTA Meeting Assignment Discussion
- 00:22:33: Review and Approval of Meeting Minutes


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Good evening and welcome to the Tuesday, May 5th meeting of the Norton Planning Board. The public is welcome to participate in person or remotely. We're in person here at the Norton Town Hall at 72 East Main Street in the Crane Room. You may join online via the Zoom

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link in the agenda. Please feel free before any meeting to email any questions to town staff as listed in the agenda. I will call this meeting to order. We have a full board. Everyone is in person tonight. As far as planning, what business and

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policies and some things, we're going to go over that at the end of the meeting. There is one bill that we're going to pass down. I think Chris has it now. All we have to do with these bills for the newer members, we generally have a Verizon bill to sign every meeting. Um, and a couple other small bills. It's

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just our job to review it quickly, make sure there's nothing crazy, and then uh I sign it and give it back to Brian. Um, first item on our agenda, not a public hearing, but it's a ter determination and a potential approval for a modification to a special permit

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SP19 and site plan SPR12 for 225 Southwester Street. The owner is County Mortgage. The applicant is DNL Design Group. The application was for 15 duplexes and the applicant wishes to slightly modify their site site plan and

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make the duplexes slightly bigger. Do we have someone? Is that you? Good evening. If you just state your name and for the record. >> Sure. Uh Ryan de Valley Heritage Realy. Uh County Mortgage was the owner of the property when the original application I

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am owner under construction right now. So, um, yes, the original application was the 15 duplexes with the same footprint for each building as we kind of designed it. Uh, we're into marketing right now where we are under construction and we've gotten some

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feedback, not surprisingly, that some potential buyers are were inquiring as the first floor primary bedrooms, which the current uh footprint and design of the buildings um did not accommodate. So I work with my designer and the engineer

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to develop a uh alternative not different for the whole project but uh the site plan we presented is representing six of the 15 buildings with a modified footprint and design. The square footage of the building is actually less. It goes from roughly

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1,900 as approved to around 1,800. But to accommodate that first floor primary suite, um it's a a little little bit bigger footprint. So that kind of initiated the change in the site plan and the request. I feel it falls under a

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minor modification. None of the important aspects of the project. Bedroom count, um distance between the buildings will meet, you know, as required. It's split zoning, so there's different distances in the front and in the back, but we'll maintain all that as

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we move forward with the construction. Um, and that's basically it. I did provide the architectural um, if you could pull that up. I think it's important to the board to see. And it will provide some variety for the project, too. Instead of 15 of the same

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building over and over again, it'll have some, you know, a little different look to it, which I'm a custom home builder, so I like variety anyway. So, Brian, do you want to pull up that rendering? >> Mr. Chairman, like to ask if there's a if this there's any change to lot lines

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on this. >> I do not believe so, but No. >> No. >> Okay. Thanks. >> Uh, yeah. Question. Um, for the bedroom count, according to your plans, like you're saying there's not going to be a change in the amount of bedrooms per house. Would the are there still is

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there an extra room that could be converted into another bedroom that's like of size? No. >> Okay. >> Not per title. This is on a shared septic system. So, title five definitions of bedrooms. Every there's not uh any additional rooms that could be construed as a bedroom. A first floor

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is wide open. Second floor is a fully lofted area. As you go to the other couple bedrooms that you can see here, that's wide open. That they're not bedrooms. >> Okay, cool. >> It's literally just to accommodate. If you can see here, um, the the primary

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bedroom on the first floor that's separate from the living area. Um, and we're just responding to the market and I think it'll bring a a diverse buyer pool. You know, you're going to get some empty nesters and and stuff. I'm doing a 55 and older project in North Attboro and that's a big ask. You know, that you

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got your empty nesters that are buying these. Maybe they have, you know, grandkids or or kids that are going to come and stay sometimes, but they want the first floor master bedroom. So, I think it'll diversify the I think it's good for the project and the town. I think it's a better

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>> layout. I I personally don't have any other questions or comments specifically on this. I'll go to the board members. Any other questions you'd like to ask the applicant? I >> find something this small is definitely minor. >> So, the occup occupancy amount doesn't change either. >> Nope. >> Okay.

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>> It's strictly a few square feet of floor plan. >> I'm fine as far as I'm good. >> Yeah. No, no, no questions. >> Robert, you good? >> Yeah, I'm good. >> So, I'd ask if there's anybody in person that has a problem, which I don't think

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we're going to have that problem tonight. >> Well, this guy here's been dancing around. >> This is a lot different than some of your other meetings you've had. >> Could you not uh jinx it? Thank you. >> Thank you. >> There is uh I'll note there's no one on Zoom other than Rob and myself. Um

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so the chair would entertain a motion that the proposed modification of the site plan is minor motion. >> Motion to approve. >> Seconded. >> So we have a motion a second to approve the minor modification to SP. Let's go

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for the special permit first. We'll vote the special permit and the site plan separate. >> So before you do, did you want to just make a vote to determine that it is minor? >> Sure. That's really the only vote that we need. >> Okay. Motion to determine that it's minor.

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>> Second. >> We have a motion by Rob, second by Chris, I think. Beat him out. Um to determine this is a minor modification. All in favor? >> I >> I opposed. Abstain. >> I think that'll cover us.

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>> All right. Thank you very much. >> So, we don't need the other one. >> I don't believe so. I think All right. As long as everyone >> have a good night. Thank you. >> Thank you. You too. And it gets lonier, >> would you? >> We'll argue amongst ourselves. >> You know, we feel like nobody cares.

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>> Um, >> back to planning board business and policies. We're going to have to do a couple things. Um, we need to elect a secondary sneige. So, basically, if I can't sign payroll or sign anything and I'm gone, um, someone else gets to sign it. Um,

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nothing crazy, but if we can >> Do you want me to take that since I'm not one of the people that has anything yet? >> I mean, if you want >> I was gonna have I was say I'll take it if you just need me to sign. >> I think vice chair is more appropriate. That's fine with me, too. I was just >> Yeah, let's keep it to the chair and

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vice chair for now. Okay. We'll give you something else to do in a minute. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um, >> no. I just noticed everybody else had signed themselves up for something and Frank and I are like the >> All in favor making Steve the secondary snee. >> I I >> Do you need a motion?

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>> Motion to make the Steve the secondary snee. Fine. >> I don't think so. >> Okay. >> All in favor? >> I >> I um meeting dates. It wasn't on the agenda as you can see at the bottom. I'm going to try to keep track of them. Brian's going to keep track of our

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meeting dates at the bottom of all agendas. It's kind of a new little policy thing I think works good. We only have two. I would like to book out. Brian, what do you think? Through the summer. >> Yeah. If you guys know your availability for July and August. >> Yeah. At least if we can do a few months, it helps applicants coming in

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what meeting to aim for um and the time frames. >> Um we try to work around people's schedules as best as possible. Well, it's not always. Um, so if our June 16th meeting,

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we want to stay away July 7th would work. I'm I'm gone the following week. Um, >> so June 16th, you said, Alan, >> so right now we have on the schedule June 2nd and June 16th. >> Okay. >> You'd like to add July?

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>> I would like to add July 7th and July 21st. I have no problem with them, especially if you're going to be gone. >> I'm I'm gone the week of the 14th or 13th. >> So, that makes them an extra good idea. Actually, >> we're fixing.

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July 7th and July. >> July 7th and July 21st. I'm not hearing an argument. >> Nope. Um, August 4th and 18th would be the next two dates that would fall the follow the every other week schedule.

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>> No issue so far. >> Be either remote or absent in all of August. >> Well, you're on deployment. >> Either or is uh >> sort of something like that. >> Not deployment, but excuse me. August 4th and 18th. Yeah, Zoom is more than

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acceptable. Let's do one more month if we can. Um after the 18th would be September 1st or the 8th and the 15th or 22nd. Anyone have any >> September 1st is my birthday. >> You want to stay away from your birthday

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or you want to be here? >> That's my daughter's birthday. >> 15th would be preferred. 15th would be preferred for you. Y >> So, how is September 1st and September 15th for everyone? >> Good. >> Maybe or absent on the 1st or the eth, doesn't matter. >> Gotcha.

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>> No, you can put it on the first. I'm just letting you know so you guys can bring me a cake. >> Bring some more cough drops >> and water. >> I think that will uh do for now. Brian, is that good enough? >> Yeah. Two months. >> In another uh month or two, we'll do

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another uh set for the rest of the year. Only other item listed on the agenda, spring and fall town meeting warrants. Um I'll note for the uh Springtown meeting, Fincom revoted their vote last night on the uh

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modification to the VCC zone. Originally, they had voted against it four to I forget 4 to 7 or whatever. They voted they voted for it last night. Um I believe 9 to1. Um, so almost all of them supported it. Um, any other

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questions, comments about Springtown meeting that's coming up? >> Well, you said Bob and Steve would be our spokespeople. >> Um, I Bob Kimell of the select board um has it down pretty well and how the genesis of >> Yeah, I watched him last night.

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>> So, I I I would expect he would give that same um presentation at town meeting and I had talked to Steve. Steve had spearheaded the uh campaign, the top of the shop campaign. Um so I felt like if

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he wanted to speak to it, let him do it. Um >> and obviously all of us free to speak our mind whether for the planning board or as a person. It doesn't matter. We won't be sitting up on the stage like we did in the fall. Um but I have no problem with we all want to sit

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together. We all want to sit kind of near the microphone down front in case we all want to speak about something. Um, sometimes it's harder to get microphone time, whatever the pleasure of everyone is. Um, I'm not overly fond of speaking at

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town meeting actually. So, >> as far as fall town meeting, um, now that we have a full board for a short period of time, um, want to talk about strategy. don't want to we don't have to hammer down anything

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yet, but I want to think about what we want to bring in front of foul town meeting. We had talked again last time about whatever be the most fiscally for us to spend our time on. Um I don't know if anyone else has any other

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ideas on it from the last meeting or >> Well, we basically have more we need to do in the bylaws, don't we? >> Correct. But it's picking one, two, three things that we want to. We can't put the whole thing out there. >> Um, >> in my opinion, I think that the easiest

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thing to persuade an audience to support would be to add standards and guidelines to our districts that don't exist yet. We have no guidelines or direction for development in the commercial or industrial zones, and we have no teeth with village

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commercial. I I think that would be a tall ask with no town planner and no something like Serpent or some type of grant to back us up on that. I think that would be a tall ask. U I'm thinking even more I'm thinking we need a win. I

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think we need a few small things that could you suggested Steve uh the multiple buildings on a commercial property. >> I Yeah, the change to the industrial commercial zone. So I'm I'm thinking multiple small things like that that could have and like we talked about perhaps doing the fiscal impact analysis

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adding that as one of the standards >> things kind of smaller digestible that would have a quicker bigger impact right off the bat um build off of >> those could go together where if we

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convince the town manager and select board and financial committee whatever that the change to the industrial commercial zone is necessary that we might be able to use Serpentid provide guidelines and standards for that development.

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>> That would all have to be we get so much time I don't know what we have left. We get so much time with Serpent per year. >> Mhm. Um, and then things like the uh >> MBTA standards right now that was a I

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don't know $30,000 grant or whatever that we got um to write those um that does not have to go in front of town meeting. Um and I'm kind of in kind of thinking about almost everything we put in front of fall town meeting

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being separate >> so it can be voted up and down on its own merits by itself. >> Peacemail keep. Exactly. Keep everything separate. Um that way if we get into something that absolutely nobody likes, we can easily drop it and easily it can get voted off and it doesn't mess any

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other of the work up. >> Yeah, I don't disagree with that at all. >> Um my idea was and still is if there's three or four topics um that people want to get behind, maybe we break it up into

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a couple small working groups. So three groups of two people or such. Um couple people work together work on it for say a month and then we pick a meeting and say bring it back to the board, you know, in in a month bring back your findings to the board or what

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what the two of you put together. It I find that the smaller groups, you know, people bouncing the ideas off one another works a little bit better than just one person working on it. Um, if anybody else has an idea, it doesn't always work in

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>> We could sit here right now for the next 3 hours and spitball ideas and completely waste all our time. >> Sure. >> Or we could not. >> Yeah, exactly. Um, the more time we can put into it offline, obviously we don't have someone like Paul working, we don't have a town planner on it, working with

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it on it, you know, off meeting hours. Um, so I just think we should set our expectations >> to what we could actually get done if it's just us with no town planner help, no serpent help, just the board. >> Um,

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I don't want to bite off too much. No, >> what one thing after the town meeting um, and we have our direction, I'm going to assume we get it approved. Hopefully this changed in BCC and that's done. Could we then get um a copy issued of

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the bylaws and completely, you know, where we stand today? Because I've read so many versions of that bylaw, I'm going to admit I've gotten a little lost sometimes as to what >> the the current version should be on the website. Um we'll make sure it get it gets updated as soon as something gets changed. That one should be accurate, I

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would hope. >> Um but no, I understand what you're saying. >> I've had I deleted everything on my computers cuz I had so many that cuz yeah I have a whole folder full >> I have a whole folder that just says obsolete >> just everything that

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>> I >> I I was saying before the meeting I got to a point last year where I could not keep them both straight in my mind. It was just both jumbled in and I couldn't separate what we were what we had and what we didn't have and what we were looking to do. Um I still do it once in

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a while. >> I'm sure you do too, Steve. >> And that was sort of the thing I started to wonder. I'd be reading one, I'd be going, "No, I believe this is current, but >> and we had so many things that we had in and we changed it and deleted it." >> Did I delete the wrong >> be good time to just put a knife in the

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ground. >> So, there we go, Rob. That's, you know, right from the >> Yeah. >> website that is and should be >> Yeah. >> the most current. >> That is >> I can bank on it. Okay. >> That's what we've been using. >> Yeah. Knock. >> I know. It's just sometimes I read it,

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I'm like, is this up to date or I'm just never sure. That's from Yes, that's up to date. >> Knock on wood. That should be up to date. >> Um, anybody have any comments about that? You want to think about who you want to work with, who you don't want to work with? Um, I might stay out of it just because if we get busy, I'm going

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to I don't have a ton a ton of time and if we get busy, I got to >> Yeah, I'm going to be having to drill down into the projects a little bit more and I don't want to say I'm going to do something and not do it. >> Well, everybody's gonna want Steve on their team. Yeah, I got I got you know I got two or

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three ideas >> before we talk about that. Um speaking about members of the team, Bridget, do you want to have a conversation? >> I do. Um I am unfortunately moving out of Norton um come June 1st. So this

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technically I think is my last meeting which is really sad and I'm sad by it. But >> not that sad. >> I'm Yes. Um, I really enjoyed working on this board and I was really excited to take a leadership leadership position um

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when I was nominated for clerk and I feel very upset that I won't be able to fulfill my full term. Um, but life happens and unfortunately as we know it's hard to find housing in the state of Massachusetts and some people like me want to start their life with their

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partner and I've found a place to do that that is not northern Massachusetts unfortunately. So, but my dad still lives here and um you know my boyfriend's parents still live here. So, and I grew up here so you may see me around but I don't live. >> You're moving out of state completely?

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>> No, I'm moving in state but I'm moving out of town. I won't be a Norton resident anymore. >> Is there a rule that she can't stay with us? >> Norton residents have to be >> Yeah. Yes. Um town elected officials have to be a resident of the town. >> Okay. >> Yes. So, we'll be uh >> So, you will unfortunately be short and

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I feel really bad cuz it's right after election season, but it kind of came and fell into my lap and yeah, >> wasn't a heavily contested match anyway. >> I know. Yeah, we would have in trouble. >> So, yes, thank you all very much. >> Thank you. And uh >> you be missed. >> Good luck.

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>> Thank you. >> Thank you. Um so, for next meeting, um we're going to have to figure out who wants to be clerk. I was dumping a lot of that on Bridget. It's going to be a good amount of work. um keeping track of everything. >> Um whoever wants to take it on.

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>> I opened my damn mouth, didn't I? >> And then we also have to think about who's working with Steve for >> the smaller group for >> I'll do it. I'll do it, Alan. >> Yeah. Frank, you >> Frank, you've been appointed. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> So, no. Go for it.

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>> No, not the >> not the clerk. >> Not the clerk position. Unless you unless you want clerk, Frank, it's up to you. >> Frank who? >> Okay. >> No. and I'll do it for you. >> Yeah. >> On the MBTA. >> Um, did you already set set up a meeting with

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>> We have one tomorrow. >> Yeah. What time is that supposed to be, Brian? >> About 1. >> About 1. >> I just want to make sure that you're okay with that, Steve. And that way I can just let Rob know. >> Yeah, that that's that's fine. I'll I'm going to have to leave at like 2:30

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latest. >> That's fine. I think Bridget has a shorter time frame. >> Yeah. And then unless Can you go tomorrow at 1? Um, I got to check with my brother. He's supposed to get out of the hospital tomorrow. >> Okay. I can go and take notes if you want and then give them to Steve. Okay.

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>> If he It all depends. He was supposed to get out today, but they >> his blood pressure was >> way too low, so >> Okay. >> I can I'll let um I'll let Steve know. >> Yeah, just email Brian. Just keep Brian in the loop on everything. Um, if you

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want to, anyone who wants to email the board questions, whatever, the best thing to do is go through town staff so we're not emailing each other. Um, email Brian with any questions and he'll either get the answer, direct it to me, um, and we'll respond back that way.

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That's the cleanest, easiest way so we don't get in trouble. >> Basically, >> our f my first vote would be to assign it to whoever replaces Bridget will break the news to when they get here, but um, >> who knows how long that might take them. But if that won't work, I'll I'll go ahead and take it if you need it done.

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>> We'll uh we'll pencil it in loosely for now, Rob, and uh see how we go. >> Just let me know what you need done. >> I have uh nothing else on my agenda in front of us. Anybody have any anything they want to discuss? >> Patriots,

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>> we have a little bit of homework. Did anyone The only other thing in front of me, I lied. We did have some minutes. Did anyone the members that were here? Um >> yeah, I've already reviewed them. >> I reviewed them. Yes, >> we reviewed them. Steve, you good? >> Yeah, we can. >> Yes. >> Motion to approve all minutes. Can I get

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away with that? >> Sorry, we got to do one at a time. Um I have a couple revisions on on one of them. I believe the first one we have uh March 12th, 2026. Any revisions or the chair would entertain a motion? >> Motion to approve minutes from March 12th, 2026.

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>> Second. We have a motion in a second. Um, I'm going to do a roll call vote because not all of us were here. >> Um, so we can get it right. Rob, >> yes. >> Chris, >> yes. >> Oh, abain. >> Yeah, you could abstain. >> Yeah. For all the ones you're not here

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for, just abstain, please. >> Um, I'm a yes. Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> And Robert, >> abstain. >> Thank you. >> You'll love the formalities. Next set of minutes, March 17th, 2026.

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The only thing, Brian, that I want to change is that very first um sentence, the meeting was called to over called to order over Zoom. We were also in person. So, some of them you had in person. >> I think that was the only change I saw in any of them. The next two or three

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just stated we're only on Zoom. >> Okay. >> So, we'll have to change those before I sign them, but we can vote on them right now and I can sign them another time. I'd rather vote on them now while here. >> Um, >> that's why I need second pairs of eyes.

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>> Exactly. It gets all this stuff gets very monotonous after you've been working on it for a while and you you need we need multiple sets of eyes on things. Uh, March 17, 2026 with that one revision. >> Motion to approve the minutes for March

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17. >> Second motion by Bridget, second by Rob. Rob, >> yes. Chris >> abstain. >> Yes. Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Robert, >> abstain. >> Next set of minutes is March 31st, 2026.

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I have the same revision, just adding in person after Zoom. >> Motion to approve the minutes for March 31st, 2026. >> Is that the one I was sick out for or was that April 7th? >> This one. >> You were here. >> You were here.

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>> Yeah, it says you were here. Then yes. >> So Rob is a yes. Chris >> abstain. >> I'm a yes. Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Robert, >> abstain. >> Thank you. >> Next set is April 7th, 2026.

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>> Motion to approve the minutes for April 7th, 2026. >> Second. We have a motion and a second. Rob, >> I think that's the one I'm supposed to abstain on, isn't it? Yes. >> Okay. Abstain. >> Chris. >> Abstain. >> I'm a Yes. Bridget. >> Yes. >> Steve.

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>> Yes. >> Frank. >> Yes. >> Robert. >> Abstain. >> One more. April 21st, 2026. I have the same revision, just adding in person in the first sentence. >> Motion to approve the minutes for April 21st, 2026.

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>> Second. We have a motion in a second. Rob. >> Yes. >> It's all right. You still have to stay awake for another couple minutes. Chris, >> yes. >> I'm a yes. Bridget, >> yes. >> Steve, >> yes. >> Frank, >> yes. >> Robert, >> abstain.

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>> So, Brian, that actually will bring us up to date pretty much with minutes for a little while. It's very good. It's exciting. >> Um, now that that's out of the way, questions, comments, concerns, or thank you, Bridget again. Um, and you can make

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your final motion. >> Okay. Motion to adjurnn. Second. Second. >> We have a motion to second. All in favor? I. I. >> Thank you. Have a good night. >> Thank you.