I Okay. So, I mean, it's it is what it is. So, would it be possible for us to pull up the old order conditions just to scroll through that briefly for the commission to see and approve the same conditions
that were um approved previously? We already know we're going to carry those forward. It's the new ones that we need to see. We we already know which ones are going to be, you know, not which ones, but we already know those are going to be carried forward at a minimum. Yeah. So, do John, do you
happen to know off the top of your head which conditions you were thinking of adding on? I mean to be honest with with the commission and the applicant on this project, the only modifications I really made to this in the new rendition was change the format to our because this is
from the old format that we have and I updated it to our new format that we currently have and just added in the different project changes and some other items addressing storm water compliance along with some other minor
administrative um conditions. uh that are typical to our new standard uh orders of the conditions. Uh so some of that stuff obviously I don't have readily available uh at this time. Um but it's definitely something that you know I can work with the commission if
they're amendable to it. Um but at the end of the day it's their decision on how they want to uh proceed. So, I'm going to make a motion that we continue the public hearing for file number 250-1173 to the June 9th, 2025 meeting
date. Second. All right, we have a motion by Lisa, seconded by Dan. Uh, Lisa and Paxton, how do you vote? I. And Mark and um Dan, how do you vote?
I I and I'll the motion carries. Um the next item uh Julian one question just about the certificate of compliance later this evening. Are we planning to discuss that this evening or um is that
going to be continued as well? Just so I know what that as I understand it that will be discussed in acton and that will be closed out and that will be the basis for uh incorporating that old order into the
new order with a couple of add-ons. Okay. Just can I ask a question for clarification? This is kind of a unique situation and it sounds like work is actively started on the The challenge the challenge here is we can't close it out. That's that's where
you're at right here is that we cannot close out a project that's already active unless we either rolled into a new one or we have an asbuilt certifying that work has been done. So not discussing that tonight that as well. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
Because then they'd be actively um out there without a permit, right? Okay. Yeah. I now I get it. Yeah. All right. But, you know, procedurally it doesn't really change stuff. We just have to wait a month and
then we can dot all the eyes and t, you know, cross all the tees and it you'll have an order. So, you know, you still have an old order that's that's active. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And so would the commission want us to present it just for th those
purposes or do you want us to just um continue that request for COC to the next there's nothing to continue when I yeah when I talked to Chris the intent of that request for certificate
was to ba basically roll that project into this project that you currently have in front of And that is where we're basically going to take all those conditions and roll them all into the new order which becomes you know uh instead of it being
alpha it's now beta project. So that you know you get you get one side you get part uh revision it's for revision number two basically and you know with additional changes and modifications to it. Um that was the intent. Yep. Yep. Understood. Understood. So, we'll just we're good to hop off and you
guys won't won't have any discussion on that later. Yeah. I mean, and and currently you have an active order, right? So, you know, and your work is being governed under under that order. So, that makes sense that we don't want to close that out until you have another
order that that is an umbrella over your activity 100%. Okay. Thank you, commission. Okay. Thank you. Uh, next item is
um now has a file number 25179 uh concerning doc at 90 Mansfield Avenue. And this again we had gathered as I understand gathered all the information to close uh and um we're I think we can go ahead and do
that unless there are any further questions or discussion. John, I was just curious as to what D's comments were. I understand they were minor. Yeah, D just wanted uh us to flag the resource areas and make sure that
they were um flagged out there. So, I went out there last week um and Jacob provided an updated plan. Uh he he and I um I guess pulled tape and uh field measured the uh the flags and it was
consistent with what was out there from his uh original plan. So um I have a very good uh understanding that the uh the line is accurate and uh that the work is in accordance with um
conservation commission. Okay. Thanks. So unless there are further questions or discussion, we can consider a motion to close the hearing for file number 250179.
So moved. Second. Second. Uh we have a motion by Lisa, seconded by Mark to close the adhering Paxton and Dan. How do you vote? Hi. Hi. And Mark and Lisa. Hi. Hi. And I'll
throw in an I. So, the uh hearing is closed and we'll take up the order in a few minutes. But our next item is a new public hearing. It's a determination
1143 for zero finance tribute. Um, and do we have a representative of that applicant? Yes. Good evening. Can you guys hear me? Uh, we can you may want to share your screen
for the plan. Yes, sir. Uh, screen. Can you guys see it? Not quite yet. We see you. All right.
What about now? Uh, we see a an agenda. I don't know where where that's coming from. It's my screen. What about now? Can you see my plan? Uh, yes it is. It has come up. So, five years into Zoom meeting, still
trying to figure it out. Yeah. So, good evening again. My name is Alons Koka with KBM Design Group, uh, 102 State Road in Dartmouth, Massachusetts. Um, I'm representing Mr. Matthew Bautello of Batella Custom Homes for the
proposed construction of a single family uh house at um 0 Pine Street uh map 23 parcel 64-1. Um so the uh this is the ANR plan of
this parcel when it was created back in 2022 by uh level design by level engineering land surveyors and the parcel in question that we today was known back then as as lot number five before it was assigned the uh the parcel
number by the assessors and the wetlands that was delineated right here. Uh this is the proposed um housing uh the proposed uh plan for the new house and um we are uh proposing a new uh five
bedroomedroom house with a septic system for a five- bedroomedroom house. Again, a driveway and a roof recharge system that will infiltrate um the 2-year storm or 3.2 ines of uh of rain. Uh I have
colorcoded the uh uh the wetlands the buffer zones. So in green is the uh the the wetland line on the magenta is the 25 ft no disturb zone. Uh the 50 foot in the light blue and the 100 foot in yellow. Uh during soil testing uh we
encountered high groundwater elevations. Um this high groundwater forced us to raise the site in order to maintain the foroot separation for the uh proposed septic leeching field and the uh groundwater table. Hence uh some additional grading was
required. Uh due to that grading we are uh proposing uh some work to be done some grading in the 100t buffer zone. Uh the closest we will get into the 100 foot buffer zone is will be
about 12 ft at maximum into the buffer zone which is this point right here will be about 88 ft away uh from the wetlands. Um the the driveway uh we set up the driveway we offset it so it's away from the uh from the 100 foot
buffer zone as uh it extends further more towards the property in this area. And then as we go up towards the uh the proposed dwelling, we go around and um uh into the uh you know to the house. Um as I mentioned previously, the roof uh
will be routed via uh the downspouts through a underground conveyance pipe to the u infiltration system right here. And any storms over the 2 in, they're going to have overflows downspouts at the location, the bottom. So the
majority of the sto so the most frequent storm uh the two-year will be fully fully infiltrated. Anything over that will be uh discharge overland. Um and the only impact over the buffer zone again will be the
grading. No structure no um pavement is been proposed there and that will unfortunately we had to get into the buffer zone due to the fact that we had to elevate the uh septic system. So for that reason we think u uh the proposed
work uh will not have any negative impact to the to the buffer zones of the wetlands and we are requesting a negative termination. Any questions? Yeah a procedural one on my screen on my
computer uh because you have the elevation line or the the indicators in black type on gray boxes. I can't read them. Um, and I I don't know. And part of it is probably because
I'm in a very bright room. So, um, that kind of makes the screen more difficult. So, I don't know if I mean I can barely make them out as as 90 for example. So, but so the question Yeah. The question is what is your slope? Is it a two to
one, three one? 3 to one. Minimum 3 to one. We don't go less than that. Okay. and then 3 to one right here and then as it goes down it's 5 to one uh as it goes away but I kept it 3 to1 max so I don't have to go too far into the uh the
buffer zone. Yes, I understand. All right, other questions. Um so I noticed you're ringing the limit of work with uh sediment control. Do you have a detail for that? Uh yes I do.
Let me find that. Just bear with me one second, please. So, uh this is the uh straw bottle. Can you guys see the screen? I'm sorry. Yes. Yes. So, this is the erosion control that we submitted with the uh RDA
application. Okay. So, um just to note, we don't allow the stakes to go through. Once you put the stake through, it compromises the netting and everything. So, what you want to do is butt it up 45 degrees on
one side. Yep. I think there's a standard detail either mass D or EPA has it now. Um, they just tend to fall apart as soon as you put the stakes through or D. Okay. Yeah. So, if you could just change that, that would be great.
Absolutely. Thank you. So, any other questions from commission members? Uh and if not um anyone in the meeting uh if uh anyone has a question you can
either take your mic off mute or you can go to the reactions button and press uh the raise your hand. But if there is if there are no questions, um it's my impression we certainly have
enough to to um close and u vote on whether this is a negative determination or not. John, do you have any comments that uh you want to make or are you all set? Um, I guess the only question that I would ask the commission is if they
think it's necessary to have a few of those, I guess, um, buffer, wetland buffer notices, uh, posts with signs on them, visual barrier, at least in the areas where they're disturbing work. I
think it's necessary. So it would be along actually be in this Yeah. That segment that's in the 100 foot buffer zone right there. Yeah. Yes. Because I I think the lawn the opportunity for lawn here is limited.
Mhm. I mean it's it's going to be a slope going down, but still I'm just um you know Yeah. I've seen a couple of these projects go through and some of them I should have recommended to have those posts put in uh to preclude from any
other additional clearing or activities happening after the fact. So um that's my only recommendation. Okay. So Alons, it looks like you want to take whatever's in um you just want to convert the sediment control line
to within the buffer zone to a uh a barrier. Okay. John, do you have a detail? Well, I wasn't saying a like a physical barrier. I was saying more of a post just a post notice with the post records that we have. Is that a post
construction thing? Correct. Right. It would just be like a 4ft cedar post that would have uh 4 in in diameter and you would basically be able to have one of the placards that we have in the office which we could put on the put on the post. So, how far do they space those
John? Usually typically on sites of this this nature, I would say maybe every 35 to 40 feet. Okay. So, you probably need like three two to three on this site. One here, here, four probably. Yeah.
Okay. And um I'm sorry to uh for my clarification, there will be a post construction, correct? After the work has completed, you put this post that cannot further advance in this area. It it's just it's just a signpost. It's just a post. We have a
little We have a little sign that says beyond this. Uh well, actually, what is the wording on that sign? It it I have I have a a picture of one which I can send over to you. Perfect. When you request the certificate of
compliance, you'll have to put those in. Perfect. I think that's what you were asking. Yeah. Yep. Okay. All right, it looks like we have uh someone with their hand up, a computer identified as Andrew D, I guess it is.
So, why don't you take your mic off mute and ask your question? Yeah, thank you very much. You're right, that's Andrew D. Hi, I live over at 87 Pine Street, which is kind of across the street. And I had some questions about uh I I guess the plan looks fine, but you know, across the street from me, they put
those other houses, and they completely cleared those lots 100%. Yeah, you can see them there. Yep. Right here. This is the most up-to-date near map imagery. Is that a similar Will they be able to do a similar thing to that site even though there's wetlands there? Are they going
to be able to clearcut that property in the same way? I mean, maybe I can't do anything about it, but I'm curious about that. So, Alons, you want to address that? Yes, absolutely. So, you can see uh the limit of work, it's right here.
So, be clearing because we have wetland buffers in this area. We're only going to clear enough to get a driveway and then the land is pretty fat, pretty flat. So there's no uh there's no grading required to to like to clear extra to grade. So elevation 88's right
here, 89. And then as we go further back, yes, we'll be doing that in the back, but the front of the property will will stay just for a driveway. So So to put in context in in this area right here, it will be a strip along this area
and as it goes in the back, it will be cleared in this in the back right here. I see. But not along the I'm sorry, not along the road and not in front of the house or that whole area. It's really just where the property is going to be the house is going to be built and
cleared for the septic and everything like that. Yeah. And just not for a driveway right here. The driveway. It's not to say that the homeowner, if you could go back to the plan view. So if you look at everything um outside of the yellow line are on low.
Um yeah. So they could um clear trees in that area. We don't have jurisdiction there, but anything on the other side of the yellow line, they would I mean they'd have to have a really good reason to take out trees on the other side of that line. All right. Well, thank you
very much. I I appreciate that. Thanks. And just to I guess in addition to that comment that Lisa just made is that we do have a local storm water management bylaw which would kick in if they go over the threshold that they're
currently at. Um so we want to make sure that they stay under that threshold so that way they don't have to file a storm water permit um for this project. And Alons I think uh you know you've been you were under the threshold for this project to my knowledge. Correct. Correct. uh are disturbances under
41,000 but I put 41,000 to be safe. Yep. So anything over an acre would make them go into the next bracket. Correct. Moder design. Yes. Once again, thank you very much.
All right. So if there are no further questions, I think we can consider closing this uh hearing. I'll make a motion to close the file for uh public hearing for file 1143.
Second. We have a motion by Lisa, seconded by Paxton. Uh Dan and Lisa lo I. Paxton and Mark I. I. And I'll throw in an I. So, the motion carries. So,
we're now going to go on uh we'll we'll vote in a few minutes on um the determination whether it be positive or negative or you know if if somebody wants to float a a motion that's fine too. Um
um I I'll make a motion to issue a negative three or file 143. Second. All right. We have a motion by Lisa, seconded by Mark for a negative three indicating that a notice of intent
does not have to be filed for this project assuming the project is carried out according to plan. So Paxton and Mark vote I I and Dan and Lisa
I I and I'll throw in an ice the motion carries. So, uh, Alonsa, I think you're all set. Thank you very much, everybody. Have a great night. You're back. Thank you. So, we have a request for certificate of
compliance for 38 Charlotte Avenue and file number 250-1146 indicates it is a partial. So, um, does that mean landscaping is not complete or So, oh, sorry. Go ahead. Go
ahead. Oh, well, Eric, do you want me to touch upon the elevation certificate or do you want to go into it? You you go for it. Go for it. Okay. So, as part of this project, one of the main proponents is that they um because they're in the flood plane, they have an elevation certificate. Um I haven't been out there
since the most recent uh rainstorms that we've had. So I'm sure the grass is growing very well right now. Eric, is that correct? Um yeah. So according to Craig, um he said that we require or the the commission requires two cuts before
the elevation certificate is done. Actually, I just heard about that today. We get we had our first cut um early last week, I mean late last week, and the second cut's going to be done um in a couple of days. Craig said he'll be out by the end of this week to do the elevation
certificate. Um, and then once that's done, we'll submit that for the full certificate of compliance. Okay. So, what's your what's your timeline do you think for for the for the certificate?
Yeah. Uh, we'll if I'm not on the agenda for the January 9th meeting, I mean the June 9th meeting, I'll I'll I'll be surprised. Okay. So, we should anticipate something for June 9th then. Absolutely. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. We're we're we're really the only thing
that's that's left is is certificate. That was And the reason why you're looking for um a partial COC is to get some temporary building signoffs. Is that correct? Um that that I I thought that was the case. Um we actually got our
um our our signoffs already um our certificate of occupancy. So, I guess we if we want we could either I could either withdraw or continue. I'm not sure what the correct procedure is. I think you should just wait to get the full in another couple of weeks. Yeah.
So, so then if that's the case, why don't we just why don't we just why don't we just request a withdrawal of this um partial COC and we'll just wait till the June 9th meeting to to I guess close this out. Or alternatively, we could table it. We could table it too,
but it would be a full COC at that point. It's we're going to change it to a full. Okay. Do I do I need to refile um or can that just be changed on the existing form? I would just write that you're looking for a full COC. Just just basically cross out the the partial and
and write in full and we should be good. And I'm going to need the as of course and the elevation certificate. Okay. Well, the asbuilt that you have is you you have that's the one that's one I currently have. I'm just saying is is he going to do any more surveying
with the elevation certificate or No. Um no, he's just going to do spot elevations um on the elevation certificate. But as far as the the the plan, the drawing itself, um that's what's going to be submitted. Um okay. I don't know if he's going to add, you
know, elevations to it, but it's it is what it is. Yeah, I would just work with Ed on that one and make sure that he's okay with everything with the the flood plane elevation certificate and just make sure that he's good with it. Um because he's the flood plan administrator, so you know, he's the one
that signs off on it. Okay. Very good. All right. All right. Thank you guys. All right. We'll see you in about a month then. Okay. Take care. Bye-bye. All right. All right. And uh next uh request is file number
250-106 concerning 15 South Washington Street uh concerns construction of a cell tower with a driveway through residential property. But what is the work was never done note about? So is this something
that is was never an active project or what what's the story here? It never came into fruition. I guess the the company that they um went with to put in the cell tower, the company never built it. Uh nor they have they ever um I guess pursued the project. Uh so the
permit was still, you know, it's still on the property. It's still tagged on the property. So what they're looking for is I guess they're looking to sell the property as a bundle. uh and you know this was one of the outstanding items that was on the uh the property
card and they're looking for a uh just a close out for this and I went out to the site there's nothing no work has been done out there it's very nice property um but I think that the you know we should just basically close this out one out saying that the order conditions is invalid and no work was ever performed
on the property. So, I'll make a motion to uh issue a full certificate of compliance because the work uh was never started for 250-10006. Second. Second. Uh so, we have a motion by Lisa, seconded by Mark Paxton, and
Dan. How do you vote? I And uh it should be noted that Joe has now joined the meeting. So Joe, I don't know if you want to throw in a vote on that that motion. I and Mark and Lisa I
I and I'll throw in an I. The motion carries. Uh and uh concerning our prior discussion, uh file number 250-11 of 19 concerning 0 South Washington Street will be tabled until
next time. I got that right, I'm assuming, John. Right. We're not going to deal with that. Yeah. I mean, it's it's not it's just it's like one of those things that comes in front of us that we don't have to make a motion or a vote on it. It was just that we were tableabling it till the next meeting. Yeah.
Uh, and I think that is uh actually let me let me just uh revisit April 14th. Um, because we now have a quorum to
consider the minutes for April 14th. Uh, we have myself, Dan, Joe, and Paxton. So, anybody have any uh questions about the minutes of April 14th? And if not, we can consider accepting
the draft as submitted. So, move. So, move. Uh, so Joe got that motion and Lisa, you want to convert that to a second, I assume? Sure thing. Second. All right. So, it is
um Paxton and Joe. How do you vote? Hi. Hi. And uh Dan and uh Oh, uh Lisa, you were
absent. So, well, I guess I can't second that motion. I guess not. So, we need another second. Oops. Okay. So, we have a motion by Joe, seconded by Paxton. And uh now Paxton and Dan, you
guys are voting an I. And then we have um abstain an extension and an extension for Mark. And then so
Dan Paxton, myself, and Joe. Okay, so we got it. So vote I'm going to vote I and Joe's voting I. So got that. And then we have Lisa and
Mark as abstentious. Okay. So that was clear as met, right? Megan, you got that one. Oh, yeah. I got that. Okay, good. Uh, and I think I think we're done. I just
want to clarify, we issued the 90 Mansfield um permit. Yeah, we got we have to make a decision on the order. Yeah, that was the one I Okay, so we have order of conditions for file number
250179. Um, there was nothing in yellow on this one. Findings. Yeah, this one is a complete overhaul. This is brand brand new. So, I'm sure there's going to be plenty of comments. Well, but u when you say brand new, what
do you mean, John? It's it's specific. We haven't issued a dock permit since I've been here. So this is this is very uh this is very different. Oh, a dock permit. Okay, I got you. And oh, sorry. A doc order of
conditions. Let me be specific. So I had to I had to think I had to think on how how everyone would probably ask questions. So Lisa, Mark, Julian, Dan, Paxton, Joe looking at you. John, I know we had a light discussion
at one point. Did I don't see it here. Did we happen to I discussed the screw anchors. Did we happen to I think that was going to be a topic of discussion. I think I had something about um securing it in here. Well, that yeah, it was the same thing
that we had at the last time we were talking about a a dock somewhere over on uh um eastern Winnac. Well, maybe not eastern anyway. Winnac.
Yeah, but there's a didn't get blown away. I think I had um under perpetual conditions I had something about it being dislodged from its anchor. I didn't have anything specific about the anchors themselves. I don't know if you want to add anything to that.
I think I think it would be nice if we added a screw anchor or something because it was you know they're fairly cost effective. They you know they do very little damage to the area. You know it's they're usually about six inch. They can be
wound in by hand. Okay. um you know that then that way you know you have something that will stop them from blowing away if the dock's chained to them. And would that be I guess would that be to each section I guess of the dock? You would have it like daisy chain
to each section or would it be Well, the dock should be bolted through if they're hinged. Mhm. As long as we have something to stop that. Okay. Just thinking how to write that down in
paper. And I'd probably want that in as a perpetual condition, too. There was um some mention of chapter 91, but um this is not a great pond. So, so D made
that comment um that it may be a chapter 91 waterway. Um Oh, my understanding is that Norton Reservoir is not a chapter 91 waterway because it's not a great pond. But I I don't want to, you know, I I
think it's probably best for us to treat it as if it was I think the the cut off is is that if it's more than 600 square ft, I think my understanding is that applicants are required to get a permit from the state. If it if the dock is and that this dock is not more than 600
square feet, I think they still need to file for a simplified um chapter one chapter 91 waterways license if it's less than 600 ft still. But if it's not a great pond, my understanding is that they don't need to file.
Yeah. I mean, this was built in 1867. So 1867, but Norton Reservoir, which it used to be actually not Norton Reservoir. used to have a name designation that started with a B. I can't I have actually the map in my my office, but I just can't remember the name off the top of my head. Um, but I
do have a map from I think it's from the I want to say early 1800s. Dan, that's the same map I showed you. Remember? Oh, yeah, I do remember. Although I do not remember the name of the
um uh body of water. Well, there was no body of water before before the the dam was built. It was strictly rivers. Um you had Well, they they
flooded it, right? And to my knowledge, they flooded it. Correct. Yes, they let the Mills act was passed in in in 1837 and uh to to try to to capitalize on the
the power that was utilized when they damned the Marramac Valley. Um and they thought they could replicate that across the entire state. So they dam they passed the Mills Act and then many dams were built. But by
the time many of those dams were built, uh, water power had been surpassed by steam power. So it was it was kind of like, uh, the only use for the the water was processed water and fire control. So
it was never used for power, which was the original intent of the Mills Act. So because of that, it's not a great pond. in chapter 91. I mean, you told me that chapter 91 was passed in 179
979 1797. So, it really that related to all of the existing bodies of water that were present at that time. Learn something new every day. So the the body I mean the the
the I mean what's before us is there any other than the the the screw anchor is there any other modification that we would consider for this order? Um I just have a comment on
the um PLSF. Sean, could you actually put the elevation in there? Uh it's 102. Oh, I know. Could you put it on there instead of just saying in accordance with the policy? Yeah. Okay. Um and then you said you were
going to add something in uh so you don't have any current you don't currently you don't have any conditions in perpetuity. You're just going to add that one or so the if you go to special conditions 20 oh that's perpetual. Okay. All those
conditions are perpetual at the end. Okay. Okay. I see. And I just left a little snippet down there right now that the dock shall be anchored to shore. I don't know if we want to elaborate on that. Uh how about with adequate screw anchor
and chain? Okay. So Joel, I just want to talk about G for one sec. Um go for it. No cutting of vegetation, but it's S. Okay, so it's relative to the access boardwalk. Is that shown on the plan relative to the flags? The area where he's cutting is
going to be 2 feet off the edge of where he is. But so do I do do we want to put that in writing? I guess that's the question, right? It's relative to the access boardwalk. So the first question I have is is the access boardwalk shown on the plan because if you just came
across this condition the the uh access dock where he's coming in. Yes, that's that's the area. Okay. All right. I there flag numbers out there. I hung three flags. Okay. So you can't you can't we can't um make it
relative to the flag numbers like you can cut between flags blank and blank. No, it would probably be where his where the where the location of the dock is being proposed. That's probably where I would because he has it on the plan showing where the docks being basically he's putting it in. But I would say that
and I talked to Jacob about this and I said that minor trimming along that you know a walk entry way would be acceptable but nothing more. Okay. Yeah. As long as it's clear and someday you can pick up the order and matches the plan. You can walk out there
and see this is exactly the area they need to cut that they're allowed to cut. That's all. Okay. Do you want me to put in Do you want me to put the map in the order as well? You think that would be beneficial? Oh, yeah. Because otherwise you'd have
to put a note on the plan. Yeah, because it's kind of just the image. Do you want me just to input it into the order? Yeah. either that or you just update the is it it's too late to update the plan to say limit of cutting.
Uh I mean we closed it but I think you know for instance I could say two feet on either side of where the where the where the dock is shown. Okay. Whatever is easiest. Just again, so if we were to go out there someday and
if Jacob no longer owns it and sells it and somebody decides to go a little crazy with clearing because they want a better view, that's all. Not that Jacob would do that. Happened. My wife still isn't used to people in kayaks in our backyard, so
I don't think that clearing anything else is in our future. So, whatever's easiest for you, John. Again, so if you gets lost in the weeds someday, I think I'm going to basically just say there shall be there shall not be any
cutting of vegetation in the wetland, reservoir, or flood plane further than two feet on either side of the dock for regular maintenance. And then right under that, I'll probably just show the image. So, I'll just insert the image of the detail. Okay, that works. So, I think that'll
probably be easier. Okay. Uh, so if we're ready, I make a motion. I think we're ready, unless somebody has a question. I will make a motion to issue the order of conditions for file
250-1179 as discussed. Second. We have a motion by Lisa, seconded by Joe, Paxton, and Dan. How do you vote? I.
And Joe and Mark I. I. And Lisa. I. And I'll throw in an I. The motion carries. Now I believe we are done. Oh, well, we didn't do report from staff during our I don't know if there's
anything public departmental updates. We kind of blew the right through that. Anything? Um, let's see. There's a lot of stuff. Um, we got town meeting that's coming up uh come
Monday that's going to um pave the way for any sort of potential land grant opportunities or other other kind of aspirational goals that we have as a commission uh whatever happens with the MBTA um
decision and um let's see what else. Lot of other potential things. Rail Trail obviously has been a topic of discussion. Edith Reed has been a topic of discussion. Um, can I just comment about
Rail Trail? Sure. Go ahead. When I pass it by, I am amazed at how many people are out there all the time. Yeah. It's great, isn't it? It's It's really looks like it's being fairly heavily utilized. Yeah.
And I've Is there any possibility? Go ahead, Dan. Thank you. Sorry. Well, I was just going to say, is there any possibility of expanding it? The rail trail? Simply not. Expanding it. How? Yes.
I don't. Can you elaborate, D? I'm already It already larger wider I mean, the rail trail the rail trail already extends into Mansfield. Yeah. Oh, it already extends to Mansfield and Taton. Where else do you want it to go? It'll eventually go south
to Taton, but Taton's going to have a lot of other um potential setbacks because there's a lot of acquisitions and land takings that need to come into play in Taton. Uh so that's going to be a little bit more difficult. Uh I think
in town here in Norton I think we had oh I don't know a handful of of uh eminent domain and and takings to uh create the rail trail as it currently is and we had to divert a lot of uh the rail trail where it was existing previously because
of 495. So it actually goes over uh a section of uh North Washington Street to avoid uh you know going right in front of 495 traffic. No one wants that. Um but uh I think you know moving forward you know I did have a discussion with
the uh friends of the rail trail uh that lo local nonprofit organization group. They're going to be uh I guess facilitating a lot of the steward potential opportunities for managing it. Uh it's going to be a collaborative effort between the town and a lot of uh
residents and you know it's going to be a great thing for us. I just think that we should also think about the future with, you know, upcoming maintenance and responsibilities and things of that nature that need to be discussed. I'm going to be meeting with um the friends and a lot of the town staff moving
forward probably after town meeting to discuss uh you know kind of just like a rail trail management plan and also talking to them about um just making sure we all are on the same page getting basically a memo of understanding of what everyone's responsibility is with helping manage this rail trail. So that
way no stones are left unturned and basically we don't leave anybody out of the loop. So that's the plan. Is that a local uh like a Norton friends the rail trail? I Yeah. Yeah. I might have to link up with it. I'm happy to participate in that too because I'm
going to be using it heavily myself. So I might Great. So um my understanding is I'm sure a bunch of you might know Sandy Olad but she's um she's going to be I think the president of that group. Um, and she is going to also be having a
discussion with me so we can kind of figure it out. But I don't know what their current status is, whether they have a website or whether they have any sort of social media or anything like that. But that's kind of my my Yeah, reach out to Sandy directly. Just ask her then. Yeah, that's what I would suggest. If you if you anybody's
anybody's uh interested, anybody wants to participate, reach out to her. she'll probably be able to shoot you in the right direction and get you in the cuz I think you know what I find that works best is here in town is that I can't be everywhere at once. No no no other staff member can be everywhere at once. You
know we we value and we appreciate everyone's involvement in helping us you know manage the properties whether that's the conservation commission whether that's you know just a you know Joe Smith on on uh you know Bay Road you know he he appreciates it too. So, you know, what I would say is that if
anybody's interested, feel free to uh uh reach out to me or reach out to the u reach out to the friends group. Cool. So, uh John, um I'm on it all the time and uh although mascot taped up the
trash receptacles, it's a disaster. And there's poop there's poop bags all over the I mean, they they're piled up nicely. Somebody needs to get in there and get rid of the trash. Can the town do that? Yeah. Have you been on uh social media lately? I
don't go on social media. Okay. Okay. All right. Good. Don't. Um that is one of the one of the things that's been a hot topic of discussion um and a lot of issues uh pertaining to the taped up trash barrels. Um I've had a couple people come into my office and they've
explained to me they're just this I guess concerns regarding the the the uh the rail trail as of right now. And um you know, we've reached out to Mass DOT, we've reached out to uh the highway department and you know, one's pointed
the finger and one's pointing the other finger. So my I just want basically everybody on the same page. Um I was informed by Masdot that they'd be cleaning up the trash barrels uh this week and next week. So I'm hoping they do. Um yeah, because then you get to attract like lice and rats and all,
right? And and that's why that's why I you know I messaged the the town manager said hey what's the deal with this? Obviously this is a conservation and board of health issue. I need to know kind of so I can move forward because if it's a project issue then we need to basically take the take this into
consideration because health and safety is part of the issue. Well clearly people can't read either because it said there's a sign on it that says it's not open yet. It's closed up. Like do what you did 3 weeks ago before the damn trash barrels were in and take your
home. Take your stuff home. Excuse me. And people just keep dumping stuff in it. It's disgusting, right? You just can't read. Yeah. I think we had people's personal garbage in there in there just hanging off the side. I think the woman that uh sent me miss um images
and and messages. She took plenty of pictures so I had it and sent it over to the town manager and mass dot so they're aware of the situation. Okay. Sean, is this is this something when we do adopt this trail, can we remove those barrels and make it a pack it in, pack it out
situation? I mean, I think, you know, obviously that's been a a topic of discussion. Um, I think as of right now, it's better to have the barrels in than not have them in. Um, you know, I just
everyone needs to be respectful. I think that's really what it is. That's all what it comes down to. And if people want to be respectful and and take care of the drill as much as the amount amount of money that the town and the state put into it, I mean, that's what it should be. I mean, I can tell you
right now when we had our cleanup day and we were cleaning up all the roads here in town, you know, the um alcoholic plastic little bottles, you know, all those up. Yeah. Well, there's really a lot of alcoholics on cross street
because there's piles of them in the same location like all the time. We probably could have made a a life-size raft for all seven of us to sit on on the reservoir. That's how many we found.
So, I mean, that gives you kind of an idea of, you know, how much of a issue it is here in town. So, I mean, once the rail trail actually opens up and people are actively using it, yes, obviously people are not going to be doing that,
but I would hope not. Um, but I think it's more of the dog feces and the coffee cups and those kind of things that we're going to find uh more frequently when we're along the rail trail. Sean, I know we have the message boards there. So, can we have some signs made
up? Even though this seems like ABC123 that we have to tell people, you know, your tax dollars, you know, your tax dollars paid for this rail tarot. Please, you know, please respect it. Yes. Yes. I agree. Think we should have some signs post because it's like a message board,
right? So, we might as well. Yeah. No, I I totally agree. I think that was uh one of the discussions and and topics that um you know we that's the point of me meeting together with the friends because we have to understand who's going to be in charge and who's going to be responsible for keeping the signs
updated, keeping everything you know nonvandalized and making sure that all the trash is cleaned up. Everybody's going to have a role to play in this whole entire thing. And you know it's like I've looked at other rail trail groups and other rail trails um in Massachusetts and you know they are
successful having the friends group but you just got to basically have a good system in place before you go. I think that's kind of what we need to have too. Okay. So now you have to keep me updated on social media stuff because I have no
presence whatsoever. By the way, Julian, we you were you and I were commended on Facebook supposedly for that boat incident. I heard about it today. I don't check it, but you know that the boat is gone. The boat is gone. My daughter uh forwarded that uh Facebook
post. She Oh, yeah. I mean, those are the positive parts of social media, but uh there are some. So, when does the rail trail open officially or is it still up in the air? It's a good question. I mean, are we talking when it should have or are we
talking when it's going to? Uh, well, I see there's still some construction going on. So, it's it's it's not this month. I think I think there's a lot of things that they need to do to close out their permit for them to be officially open. Um they had a lot
of items where they had to basically have wetland fill. Um and I haven't seen anything from the reporting side from their applicant um or the town's consultant. I haven't seen anything from, you know, getting a better
understanding of where their status reports are. I mean, I've been walking it. I've been looking at it. and I've been seeing kind of the issues and things of that nature, all the flooding concerns that people are reporting and I go out and take a look at and quickly report back saying, "Hey, what's going on over here?" Um, but I would say
they're still a long ways out from actually like legally getting their ducks in a row. So, I'm hoping 2026 to be honest with you or at least the end of this year. at all. Yeah, that's what I'm hop That's
what I'm hoping for. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So, uh June 9th. June 9th. And town meeting next next week. Actually, yeah, it's it's a week from today. Yes. Yes. It's one week from today.
Um I would say that um if you're interested, please please go to town meeting. Um, obviously I can't request that you go, but if anyone is interested in um, just seeing um, you know, and I guess speaking to anything that might
come up, um, feel free to attend. Uh, there'll be probably a good turnout this this year. That's what I'm I'm gathering from, um, what people are saying. So, I'm hopeful that the town can move forward and and basically um, figure out
what's next in store for us. Well, I'll be there. All right. Great. Okay. All right. So, uh, everyone motion to adjurnn. Sounds like a motion to put the thumbs up. Okay. Till next time. Thank you
guys. Have a good one. Good night. Have a good week.