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Good evening and welcome to the Tuesday July 7th meeting of the Norton Planning Board. The public is welcome to participate in person or remotely. We are in person at the Norton Town Hall 72 East Main Street in the crane room. You may also join online by using the zoom link as listed in the

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agenda. And please feel free ahead of any meeting to email town staff as listed in the agenda. I will call this meeting to order. We have a full board in person tonight as full as we can be, six members. We'll save our general business to the

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end. First item on our agenda is A&R 23 for zero East Hodges parcel ID 36,2. Applicant owner is Christopher Polk. Yes, please come on up. Just uh name address for the record. Good evening. My name is Christopher

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Polk. I live at 123 East Hodges Street. Um adjacent to this property that I'm I'm cutting off. So has everyone had time to look at this? I believe that Craig did your plans. I see Craig did them. >> Engineering Craig did, yes. And he said he wasn't available, so. >> Wasn't available.

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>> [snorts] >> That's fine. He's probably been at more of our meetings than he's missed. Um anybody have any questions basically for the new newer board members the basic two basic things we're looking at when we're creating new lots with an A&R

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is it has proper frontage, which I believe it does. It has the 150 and it has um constructive access to the property, which is it's right off of East Hodges Street. Um so there has access. It meets the shape factor. Um

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I haven't noted any issues. The building inspector didn't note any issues. Does anybody have any questions, comments, or concerns? >> Nope. >> [clears throat] >> Steve, I can something brewing. >> I was just going to ask. Go ahead. >> Uh so, you're just separating the the

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large remaining land from lot one. Is that what you >> Yeah, the the There's 40 46 47 acres and just cutting off a house lot for my son. >> Okay. >> And maintaining the rest of the land. >> Okay. Um is there

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Okay, so never mind. The frontage Yeah, it's 146 so what's that? So that's >> And then five on the other >> Right. Yeah, there's 147 ft of frontage remaining on the road. >> Okay. >> And that one won't be buildable? >> It >> Which spot are we talking about?

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>> There's a special regulation that uh you can do a 50-ft frontage if you have Uh you have more than enough acreage out back there. >> wanted to do an estate lot, yes. >> You can still put a You can still put an access road. >> Yes. Yes, that's one of the things we're looking into cuz my daughter wants a

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house lot also. >> Oh. Okay. I'm all set with >> I think I think I'm good. >> Yeah. >> Yep. >> I think you covered everything. >> Motion to approve. >> If there's no other questions, the chair entertains the motion to endorse A&R 23

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for 0 East Hodges. >> Excuse me. >> I think we have a motion by Rob. >> Motion to endorse. >> Second by Steve. All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? >> Thank you, gentlemen. >> Thank you. Have a good night. >> See you when your daughter needs a house.

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>> [laughter] >> Can I have one? >> Next. >> [laughter] >> You can do detached accessories now. >> Next on our agenda is SPR 23 for 113 Mansfield Avenue.

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The applicant owner is Brian Zang. Applicant is seeking to build a top-of-the-shop building with four units. >> You said 113? >> 113 Mansfield. 113 Mansfield Ave. Good evening. How are you, sir? >> Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh my name is Bob Forbes from Zenith Consulting

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Engineers. I'm representing the applicant uh tonight for this project. Um the project is um like as you said, at the address is 113 Mansfield Ave. Project site's located at the intersection of Mansfield Ave and

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Robinson Road. Um you may recall uh some of you were on the board but voted maybe 14 months ago or so, we brought a A&I plan in here to to create this lot for this parcel.

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And um that's uh the the parcel's now 60 just over 60,000 square feet. Um the property is owned by the owners of the Jasmine Garden Restaurant. That's Mr. Zhang, as you mentioned. Um and they're the they're the applicants for this project, the owners

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of that project. Um you may be familiar with this exact site cuz it's right next door to Jasmine Garden and it it used to be an outdoor landscaping items retail. I'm not exactly sure how to describe that business that was there but that was located on the site until several months

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ago. And um there's wetlands. Can you go to um the by my set the existing conditions plan or the set of drawings? >> [clears throat] >> Not the one labeled presentation. >> Yeah, it's the presentation. The the set

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of the set of drawings. These are the architectural so you got there. I'll go into those at the end if that's okay. >> No, it's just that one was labeled all right. The presentation. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> I think it's labeled site plan review, Brian. >> Yeah. >> It's the last item in the drop in the

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>> Well, sometimes they have that in the presentation. >> Yeah. Can I clarify, too? Is this next to Jasmine or behind Jasmine? I've been told >> next to it. >> Next to it. >> Right to the left where Swamp Donkey's used to be. >> An empty I'm not exactly sure. >> Wait, it's Lakeview Gardens it used to be. >> Yeah, Lakeview Gardens and Swamp

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Dockies, yeah. >> Okay. >> So, there's Jasmine Garden, then this, then Robinson Road. >> Yeah, got you. Yep. >> And uh would you mind going to the next uh drawing? >> Sure. >> That's the This is just the existing conditions

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plan. You can see Mansfield Avenue. Um there are wetlands on the rear of the property. >> Yeah. >> There you go. Uh and Robinson Road is up on the northwest of that plan there. Um >> So, while we're on the topic of wetlands, you'll have to be filing with

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ConCom, I assume at some point, and they'll be they'll be taking care of stormwater and stormwater peer review, all that good stuff, so >> Okay. >> in this case, we don't have to worry about the stormwater. >> Wasn't sure. I didn't want to >> It's fine. After you submit it, we'd rather have it in our documents, but since you have to present to them, then

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they take over responsibility. >> Absolutely. I wanted to make sure that um this board was okay with me as it the way I present this project tonight to bring it to them. I wanted to come to you guys first. >> The only thing I didn't look in that stormwater report, was there an O&M plan

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in there? I didn't even look, was there? I just assumed there was. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, next to the >> Okay, it was behind the >> Um so, would you go please go to the next sheet? >> Oh, sure. >> Uh the proposed project is uh they're proposing to construct approximately 8,400 square foot

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building, uh two stories, so it's 4,200 square feet on on both uh floors and uh with the associated parking and and utilities. Uh the first floor is proposed as retail {slash} office, and the second floor is

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proposed as four residential units above. The parking lot, as you can see around the surrounds the site, consists of 29 spaces, and we proposing to access that off of Robinson Road, and um the main reason for that is I didn't

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want to add another curb cut to uh Mansfield Avenue and particularly that close to the Jasmine Garden curb cut and the Robinson Road um entrance entrance to Robinson Road. So, uh we decided to put it on that on

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Robinson Road uh for the entrance to the entire facility and the sole entrance and uh and the owner was pleased with that. So, that's what Just what we >> Got curious cuz they're almost touching. Could you almost do an entrance from the Jasmine side, too? >> That's what I was thinking, like a common drive.

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>> Uh we could. They didn't want to have traffic going across uh from one property to the to the other. They're they're limited on If you guys are familiar with Jasmine Garden, they're limited There's limited parking up front and to be able to connect through, we

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would have lost three or four spaces to be able to do that. They didn't want to lose those. >> So, so that was one of my questions while we're talking about it. Is there going to be some type of a divider or landscaping divider or some >> Yeah, berm. Yeah, yeah, solid berm. >> Um so,

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um Let's see. And just wanted to point out that the entrance to the retail and office is in the front of the building and a separate entrance for the residential units in the in the rear of the building towards the wetlands. Um for drainage, we're we're collecting

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all of the runoff from the proposed pavement and the roof. We're collecting it and conveying it to a subsurface uh infiltration system. Would you mind going to the next sheet? >> Sure. >> And that's where it's going to be treated and infiltrated. And the system's designed to fully infiltrate

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all um uh runoff from from design all design storms up to and including the uh 100-year storm event. So, essentially all the water's going to be collected and infiltrated. Uh for water, we're serviced by municipal water.

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Uh, the building's greater than 7,500 sq ft, so a domestic and a fire suppression line's going to have to be required. And when we met, um, well over a year ago now on this project with the former planner and, uh, the the, um,

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interdepartmental team, the fire department asked us to provide a a hydrant on the site. And we're providing that right at the Robinson Road entrance. Uh, for waste water, we're going to be putting in a septic system, an on-site,

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uh, subsurface sewage disposal system. And of course, that's going to have to be approved by the by the Norton Board of Health. We've sized it and we show it on our utility plan, the outline. But, um, of course, we're going to have to do full design plans and get that to approval. >> kind of next to Jasmine's got one behind

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them. >> They have Theirs is in the back. Ours is proposed in the front. It's in that It's underneath that front parking lot. >> Okay. >> Would you mind going to the next sheet, Brian, and we could show it to Rob? Uh, it's tough to see. Yeah, let me get my I might be able to

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>> Oh, yeah. Let me just zoom in. This is proposed leaching field. >> So, here it is right here. So, there's the there's the proposed septic and reserve areas out front underneath the parking lot. >> It's not like that. >> Now, we're fortunate. We have very nice soil out here. It's very sandy soil. Um,

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and again, you mentioned, uh, Mr. Sherman, the Conservation Commission, we do have to do full permitting. We do I proposing work within 100 ft of that wetland. Um, we have a nice buffer there, but we are within 100 ft, so we're going to have to file an NOI with the ConCom, um, to get

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approval for that work. >> You already have a and read it looks like you already got your boundary staked. >> We don't We don't We have the, uh, the wetlands flagged. Uh, we showed it to Mr. Thomas, but we have not filed and we'll That will be That plan will be

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locked in and along with the uh >> at the Y at the same time. >> the middle. It's very It's an actual very steep slope down in the edge of that. So, it's very clear that he may want us to wiggle in a foot or two, but it's not going to >> easy one. >> A very easy one, yeah.

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Not for me, but for professional. Um Uh proposed lighting plan we submitted with the package. It shows that the you know, there's no spillover over the property lines of light. Um and then the architecturals

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That was the first set that you had, right? First set that you showed. >> I didn't know if you wanted to do lighting. >> Yeah. Well, you I'd be happy to go over it, but the lighting plan is just a photometric plan. Uh You've seen many of them. Um >> Compliant height on the poles?

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Without looking. What do we have? 16-ft max height, whatever. Are we at 16, Steve? >> For >> light poles? >> Oh, I think >> our max. We'll just have to double-check. >> I Yeah, and I'll double-check that as well. I don't have that in front of me, but I I I asked them to make sure that

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they met all the the town's requirements when they put together that plan. >> Basically, compliant lighting plan. >> Yeah. Um and so So, what we we just showed on the architecturals, the uh the floor plans,

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that's the bottom floor plan for the three retail/office. Um and if you scroll through, you can see there's the So, this is the upper level. There's going to be four units, residential units. They're actually all two-bedroom units, a nice little units.

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Uh keep scrolling, please, Brian. >> Sure. >> And then there's your um I think it'll fit in nicely. It's similar to a lot of the architecture in in Norton with clapboards. Um the architect obviously is not here tonight, but if you guys have questions

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on that, I can I can ask him to come to the next meeting. Uh if you'd like to discuss any of the architecture with him. >> Looks like all three sales signage. >> [clears throat] >> Sorry, I'm just >> No, that's okay. And and that's pretty much it. If you

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have any questions, I'd be happy to try to answer for you. >> So, are these apartments or condos? >> I think they're going to be apartments now. From what I understand, they're going to be for um at least some of them are going to be for Mr. Zhang's family. So, I believe people that'll be working

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right next door. >> So, for background, uh the owners live in Quincy, and they wanted to move in closer, and this has been a few years in the making. >> [snorts] >> At least. >> So, without uh I didn't check off a

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couple things on the plans. I didn't see was there snow storage labeled? I know Con Com will do it, but we usually make sure we have snow storage labeled on our >> I will check. >> I didn't see it. I only looked quickly. >> I will check I didn't zoom in on every detail. I don't know if it has that, Mr. Chairman, but I will check and make sure

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I get that on the plans. >> Also, since there's some residential, are you going to need some type of at least EV ready spots, at least one up front or two? I forget what the building code's going to call for for a couple we might need something of a EV ready somewhere.

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>> Okay, you got it. >> Brian's wanted to do this for a long time. >> Going on that, >> the uh >> And handicap spots as well? >> Yeah, they're they're Yeah, they're labeled up front. >> up front. >> Just two van accessible spots up front. Um

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in our system before the net We're going to have to continue tonight. >> Oh, absolutely. >> Um specifically, a couple reasons. In our system, the building inspector hasn't signed off or looked at it. Neither has the fire department in a couple of the towns. Um being Brian's by himself, and obviously you said we we're

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missing a town planner. You might have to do your due diligence and push them a little to make yeah, just make sure just we met so long ago that the former planner former building inspector and former representative from the fire department who

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so they get noticed every time a project goes in but [snorts] it doesn't always you're going to have to follow through with them. >> No problem. I will absolutely do that. >> My only other comment was as you said there was a berm in between

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and obviously ConCom would maybe be taking a little bit of this but if there's any opportunity to put any green down the middle of all that pavement um without losing parking or losing anything that might not necessarily be a horrible

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looking thing if there's room if you could take a look at that. >> I will absolutely do that. >> it would if you're breaking it up anyway at least it would break up the pavement and really break up the lot and make it look more defined. >> There's probably no need to fully encircle the building and if the

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if the fire department is okay with us just having access to three sides I can literally remove that whole strip in between that building and the Jasmine Garden restaurant and make that all green. >> Yeah, so whatever there. >> I will check with them on that.

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>> Wonderful. >> They would certainly be able to fight a fire from Jasmine Garden parking lot to to the building. >> Correct, so two stories. >> Hopefully if they if I mean they're going to do the ultimate say in that and I'm not even going to argue with anybody from the fire department ever.

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>> Usually doesn't go well anyway. >> No, you know exactly and they have the final say and be right [clears throat and cough] with them so that's why we showed it going around but like I said I'm not sure we need that. I think >> If there's opportunity for it if there's opportunity we can get it in less

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payment, everyone I'm sure likes that. My only other note is um town clerk logged us in a little while ago. I forget the exact date, I didn't write it down. We might need an extension from you. >> No problem. Whatever you need. >> before. Our next meeting isn't going to be till August 4th. >> Okay.

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>> Um we don't have another meeting this month. Um >> Okay. >> Whether that's going to work for you. We also have August 18th. So it I know you're going to be tied up with ConCom. It's going to be whatever you want. Well, we can wait on that. >> I mean we're not we haven't even submitted with ConCom yet. So we'll

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August 18th is probably better for us. >> Yeah, after after that is September 1st if you wanted to even go longer. I don't know. It's going to be up to you. You can always ask to continue to the next meeting. I assume you want to hold this open until you at least get one or two meetings in with ConCom.

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>> So Brian, we'll have to make sure we get an extension probably till October or something to be safe for. >> you need, we're happy to do it. Like I said, this like Brian mentioned, this has been a long process. So that They're not trying to start breaking ground next week, you

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know. >> Got you. Any other questions or comments for the board? So Mr. Forbes can do his homework and add subtract to the plans. >> Yeah, my only comment is are the parking spots designated residents? >> Yeah, the the ones in the rear are going

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to be for the residents and the ones up front are going to be for the for the retail/office. >> Okay. >> That's how the numbering the numbers of them worked out as well. So it worked out nicely. >> It seems it seems to cut it up pretty naturally. Keeps the >> Yeah. Yeah, we might have there there may be

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extra in the back and we'll have employees park back there. So the front's reserved for I think the office retail. >> Okay. >> Yeah. You're over there working with him. Make sure you get Brian to feed you a little bit. >> I'm sorry? >> Get Brian to feed you a little while you're over there working with him.

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>> [laughter] >> He's a he's a great guy. I don't know if any of you know him, but >> He is in the food business. Fantastic. >> him, he tries to feed us. >> Yeah. >> And I'm not I'm not that type of guy. I'm like, "No, no, we're good." >> They're very nice people. >> It's delicious. The food's good, too. >> It is fantastic. >> [laughter]

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>> Yes, he's a wicked nice guy. >> Yeah, really nice guy. Nice gentleman. >> Any other questions from the board? If not, we'll go questions from the public. Anyone in person or online that wants to make a comment about this, please step up to the mic or raise your hand on the Zoom meeting.

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There is a couple of people on the Zoom meeting. I do not see any hands raised right now. I'll give them a second to figure out where the button is. The reaction button. If you want to click that, it has a raise your hand function. If you wish to talk, or if you can't find that, please chime in right

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now. There will be another public hearing on this. We're probably going to be August 18th if anyone else wants to uh come back for that meeting. I don't see anyone in person or online. So, August 18th? >> That would be perfect, yeah. Like you

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said, if if we're not in a good in a good situation with ConCom, we'll we'll continue that. >> Just continue it. So, motion to continue to August 18th. >> Second. >> We have a motion to continue SPR 23 for 113 Mansfield Ave to August 18th. All in

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favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. >> Opposed? Abstain? >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Good to see you. Have a good one. >> Pretty good night, huh? >> [clears throat] >> I like easy ones. >> Don't drink so much. >> Next item. It's not a public hearing.

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It's no proposed project yet. Um it's kind of last minute on our agenda. We have a discussion about a future project with uh Mr. Dave Patuk. How you doing? >> How are you doing? >> Good to see you. >> Good evening, Mr. Chairman, and members of the board. Mark Arnold with Gutter Consulting here on behalf of Dave Petuik

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for um a informal discussion basically we're hoping for the commission the board's um thoughts feelings again this works this is informal so we're not expecting like you know firm things we're not there's no votes tonight we're basically asking

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for question of a special permit of property so just to give some background this is a map 24 62 the planning board has previously granted us a special permit for a general laydown yard on the property and it's basically consists of a a small

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utility building up front designated parking spaces eight spaces and then the back of the the property all being basically a laydown yard for contractor equipment whether it's you know sand and gravel or mega fourth or some sort of retail in in that form so that's the the property

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that's been used we've been through conservation conservation approved stormwater design limits of work so with the concept I requested we're asking for is a special permit basically for the use of more than 25 vehicles parked on the on the property so basically um

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the the property again the footprint basically we're not looking to change the footprint design the concept of the the the general area itself it's basically just how the property is going to be utilized in that footprint in terms of utilization Mr Petuik is is looking at you know costs of of

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basically recouping of the costs he's been working on this property for a long time and he's been he's been reached out to by Amazon looking to see if they could utilize it as a parking area for them about 120 vans so it basically be a similar to a rental

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parking lot in terms of of the use of the property there wouldn't be any maintenance of vehicles on the property basically just parking vans to be left on and off so the there's been traffic signs down in the past in this property this commercial space as you know on South Washington Street across the street at

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176 South Washington and others And Jason Nixon that are there and are actively being used. And so we're looking to you know look at the plans and change them and submit the information required for a special permit. And before we go through that effort of that of that cost of

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re-engineering and submitting formally before this board, we wanted to see if members individual members had thoughts concerns things that they'd want us to make sure we addressed in an application that would that would give the board a better

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feeling towards you know voting towards an approval. Again, we're not expecting you to say I'd vote yes or no. I know you can't do that tonight. We're just looking for what your what your general position would be if if we actually did go forward with a a parking lot layout as similar to what's shown on the screen here. It'd basically be for 120 vans to

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be used as a parking lot. >> Mr. Chairman, give me one sec, Rob. So one the building's not constructed yet, right? Where >> So yeah, so the current state of the property it's the property's been cleared. Ridge controls are in place. It's been roughly graded, but no other constructions happened at the site.

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>> The project before that that project a few years ago was for this exact use. If if I remember correctly, we had a proposal in front of us for 100 something cars >> There was there was there was there was yeah there was this exact thing basically. yeah there was a previous request for this same for this use in

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the past, yes. >> I think I'm the only one on the board that was on at that time and going to have to go back and review the meeting. We have all our meetings recorded. We can go back and find it. I know there was a a lot of maybe not a lot, but several

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abutters had issues with that amount of vans. I know just by having some properties near another Amazon, they all leave at the same time. Um they generally have the same starting time. Um and they

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they generally don't all come back at the same time, but they're >> They they'll queue them up inside. >> They're all generally leaving at the same time. I know we discussed that. I know we had questions with security at the time. I don't remember exactly how we ended up with the

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driveway is lining up. I know there's a residence almost directly across the street. I don't know if how they line up. I know the the project went through two or three different iterations. Um So I I would encourage if we can go back to the other project,

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go right back and um before anything figure out what the abutters were concerned with then. >> Okay. >> Um I'm 99% sure we should be able to get those meetings on Norton Media Center. Um if not, we'll have the minutes but if obviously watching the meetings is a lot

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easier. >> Yeah. >> Not that you want to be watching old planning board meetings but >> Thank you. >> You might have to. I might have to also. Um I guess the other question I have right off the bat is uh

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they're going to all mostly electric vans. So there'll be considerable amount of electrical chargers installed. I guess is a question. >> Yeah, um we're not totally sure of that but I but that's something we we'll definitely look into that make sure we address how that would function

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particularly with future use of of as their fleet is changing over to >> They seem to be converting to all electric everywhere. Um so I would encourage uh early conversation with the fire department having you know, 100 however many >> Yep. >> electric vans

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um all parked next to each other. They If one goes [clears throat] up, several of them can go up. So I would uh address that with the client and and see if they're you know, are they looking for 50/50 electric gas or how's the breakdown going to be? How many electric chargers?

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Um they're they're investing considerably in all their sites with electric charging stations. So >> Understood. >> Um I don't know. I I think kind of like UPS, they own their own their their manufacturing those electric vehicles now. I know their current business model is um their

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gas vehicles, Amazon does not own um they're subcontracted from a second party. The drivers are a second party. Um so so something that came up today um in some email exchanges were um they generally don't register any of the vehicles in town.

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>> Hm. Okay. >> Um So, what would be registered in town? Um I know in the past in other Amazon projects it's been used as a bargaining chip, call it, saying, you know, we we'll register half our vehicles in town, whatever it is, but

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uh we probably talked about it in the first iteration. Uh that's all that's on the top of my mind, board members. Um They're looking for feedback. We need to give them feedback if they they're here not wait to not waste our time in a public hearing and not >> to waste the public time and to get

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their plans tuned in as best as possible, so the the more info we give them now, the better for all of us. >> I think you covered some of mine, so thank you. >> Yeah, I um >> Anything more there? >> I I think I was at the meeting. I mean, I was definitely at the approval of this version of um

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the the latest >> The latest version? >> But I I vaguely remember going over all of us sort of disapproving of a large parking lot. >> I I don't I don't remember if we denied it, if we were against it, and it got changed. I don't remember the

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exact >> So, >> course of what happened. >> So, what happened was it was denied, and then it came back with modification with building because it was a different use. Uh we went forward with that. >> So, we denied the initial special permit request >> Yeah. >> for the park.

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>> And how many years ago was that? >> Uh three-ish, Dave? Yeah. >> And it was about the similar size, Brian? 100 120 cars, plus or minus. >> Yeah, I think about 100 in the last iteration. >> Sounds about right. >> One of my questions is on that. I read

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152 in the paperwork. Is it 152 or 120? >> Um I believe it was 120, but we're still in discussion with Amazon. So, again, again, we understand that the volume the number of parking will definitely, you know, trigger multiple things that the chair brought up, which is, you know, the

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residents, traffic, the electrical questions, um vehicle registration, and the queuing for the traffic. So, we'll definitely look into that because we know that's def- definitely a a topic that's that needs to be addressed. >> I would definitely encourage when you get into development of the plans, more

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heavy screening. Um we have resident This is industrial, correct? >> Correct. >> So, we do have some industrial buffer um >> [snorts] >> requirements in our bylaw. Um the more heavy we can buffer the You have it already lamps lay- uh

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labeled landscape buffer. Um the more heavy we can hammer that with something that's going to prevent um lights from going into the neighbor's yard and noise and everything like that, um the better. >> Fen- fencing [clears throat] with landscaping in front of it.

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>> On either side, even. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> At minimum. >> Yeah. >> Um if if it was going to be EVs, where would they be getting the power from? Would be generators on site? >> I I Um

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>> [clears throat and cough] >> Um right now, uh they asked for hybrids. >> I would heavily go back to them and push back on that because it makes a difference and all of almost all of their places right now they're converting to EV. >> Yeah. So, we'll definitely we'll definitely Yeah, I I I I would I would

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highly doubt we would sit even try to propose generators because of the the noise, the the the the air quality. I think we'd have an an opposition from this board and also from the neighbors for that kind of a I I ideal for that you type of usage. So, but we'll definitely yeah, we'll definitely make sure we vet carefully

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what their their long-term plans are so we can build that infrastructure in. >> Where is the Amazon facility these will be working with? >> Where's the nearest Amazon in in I'm blanking out. >> It's in the

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It's in the industrial park. >> Yeah, Titan. >> Myles Standish. >> Correct. >> It's in the Myles It's in the same industrial park district. [snorts] >> Correct. Yeah. >> It's not too far. >> Yeah. >> My reason for raising that is I don't I

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mean Amazon whether they put the vehicles on their lot or over here, I don't think that's a big difference in traffic. >> It's a little different than they're having the building in a different town. >> Yeah. >> Paying taxes in a different town versus putting the project here. That's why the

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excise tax question comes up. >> Understood. >> You like stuff in Unit 1 Norton. >> It's It's hard to see what we gain as a >> Mhm. >> The neighbors are going to hate it again. >> I I don't Yeah, I don't see anything the town gaining anything then the abuttors

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Excuse [clears throat] me, the abuttors aren't going to be happy again. >> Now this Now Now that I'm thinking too, now we're going to get rid of the lay down yard completely and completely abandon that idea? >> It It's possible that this I mean this could be just a a short-term use of the

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property if for Amazon. We're not sure exactly how long Amazon would want to use it so it would be it's it's potentially it's a few years and then we could convert back to something else. I mean >> I mean >> Um but we're still in discussion. >> within ConCom's jurisdiction. >> Absolutely. >> So, I mean there's substantial

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substantial amount of storm water >> Yes. >> Um systems are going to be used. That's a awful lot of work for a short-term >> Mhm. >> Yeah, again it's it's it's a little bit in flux in terms of what we what we have for options here. So again, we're just looking for any feedback, negative, positive, neutral, it's helpful.

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>> I personally don't think length of term matters much here and let's assume that and it'll be a different question such time as they decide to change. >> Sorry, what was that again? >> Yeah, I don't see length of term. >> Yeah, understood. Understood. Yeah, the board

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the board should review the plans that are presented [clears throat] in regardless of whatever the the future use is. Yep, understood. >> My main concern is about the abutters. >> Yeah, understood. >> And the traffic. >> Okay. >> Yeah, I would definitely go back to our decision. I'm sure if you don't have a copy of it Brian can send you a copy of our

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decision and and what were our negative findings. >> [snorts] >> And I would encourage reaching out if you are going to put it forward even before you do an abutters notification. I would encourage reaching out to I believe there's two or three that are

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directly impacted that are directly across. I would have definitely encouraged reaching out to them earlier in the process than later. >> Isn't that BCI that's directly across? They're another industrial in this situation. >> Yes, there is a right across the street there is industrial.

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>> I just have it it's just in my mind that somewhere there's a driveway that's close. >> There are some that are right across 176 South Washington Street. >> Yeah, right right across I think um >> You're correct, there are some. >> There there is residential there, yes. >> That that one that one is is actually

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been cleared. It's at least a lot now but they we don't have about two gallons. There's only one out there right now. >> But we'll definitely we yeah, we definitely would want to you know do some prep with the residents before >> I don't drive by it at all so I couldn't tell you. >> [laughter]

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>> Yeah, I don't go over that that side of town. >> If we can get the data, pull up that meeting. >> Yeah, we'll look back into it but >> Yeah, Brian you want to do some digging and see what you can find to >> Yeah, I can give you guys the

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>> just an email um >> Even the date. >> Yeah, we could do our uh if anyone that wants to watch our >> Yeah. >> our meeting on it, or maybe if Brian could even say, you know, a timestamp for us, that would be wonderful, but >> I can either try timestamp or I can give

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you the minutes. >> Or both. >> Or both, yeah. >> Depending on which you prefer. >> Get a date, I'll send you back the link, and then you can just send that out. I'll I'll go find it for you. >> Any other feedback? >> No. >> I'm sure there's something else, but

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I've I've exhausted my >> I think yeah, going back to the old decision, we definitely read that carefully. >> 2023 >> Seems >> Yep. >> Yeah, so they they have some homework to do, so >> Yeah, absolutely. No, we we know this this feedback was very useful, and we really appreciate this uh board's time.

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>> Uh hey Ashley, you were just saying 2023, were you just looking at the date? You do >> Right, so it was finished in 2023, which is why the it's 3 and 1/2 years. >> Yeah. Yeah, I didn't know if you knew the date right there. I was going to get it.

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>> It's always good doing it like this, too. I I I appreciate it when applicants come in. I mean, they they do come in and speak to the town officials before um anytime they take the time to come in and before we go through the public hearing before anything, I think it's

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beneficial for us and them to to do it just like this. I I think it works a lot better. >> Yep. >> Well, if there's anything else that that comes up, I'm sure you could reach out to Brian. Brian can reach out to Dave, and just let us know if there's anything else that just comes to mind maybe in the middle of the night, things you want us to make sure we're looking at for. We

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appreciate it. >> We're we're Right now, we only have up to, just for your information, September 1st and September 15th. >> Okay. >> Yeah, but I don't know how far along you are, but those are our latest [clears throat] meetings that we have right now. Probably our first meeting in August will probably book the rest of the year, just so you >> I understood.

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>> So you know. >> All right. Thank you so much. Have a good night. >> Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Thank you. >> [clears throat] >> Uh we don't have any really planning board business to talk about our policies unless anyone wants to talk about anything. Bills we already looked at, no movement, no uh minutes.

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Um I do not have anything about a joint meeting yet from the for the select board to appoint another um member. They're kind of changing the appointment process, not changing, just I yes, changing. Um so now there's a

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form you have to fill out >> Yep. >> um with the town manager's office. Um I haven't seen it, but it's just basically everything they ask during the meeting just to get initial questions out of the way and get select board members and whatever board

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they appoint to multiple boards. So this isn't a planning board um rule, this is a town wide whatever boards. We have several boards that are appointed. Um it's just what they're doing for all appointments now. Um so that goes through the town manager's office. Um

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they compile them. Um I believe there was only one person last time I knew that filled it out. Um I've been in contact with the town manager and the uh chairman of the select board. Um they know we want to get on all of our comments from the last meeting. I I

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everything we talked about for fall town meeting, I digested all of that in an email to the select board and the town manager. Um Uh so the select board was going to take some time and review everything. At least they said they were going to just so they weren't going in cold, either.

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Um >> That's how I got it. >> Yeah. >> [laughter] >> Exactly. >> One of the two guys that I had uh advised to go on there. I [clears throat] they had both told me they had gone up there asked again and filled out the new form. >> Okay. >> If you're hearing only one >> That was before. That wasn't

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>> Okay. >> I don't know when the timeline. I haven't asked recently. So they could have very well done it already. >> I just cuz I would go back to someone say you telling me you've done it but if we're not hearing from the town then Yeah, I don't count. >> Yeah, they wanted I think they wanted some more time too. I don't know if they

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I think there was another third person that had that had expressed interest that just hadn't got back to him yet. I'm not sure exactly but uh >> It was a she. I know who it is. >> I don't know exactly who it was. Um I guess my only other question Steve our subcommittee anything happened with

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that with the >> We haven't gotten them together yet. >> Okay. >> I didn't get any dates from Steve and Frank and Rob hasn't uh given dates either. So um we're going to wait until August unless you guys want to have a meeting

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in July beforehand. >> What about our time frame? Do we have to get an extension? We're good with not losing the grant. >> We're good. Um So it's closed out. Or should be

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since it's past the time since it would be middle of the year. >> So we need to check on that. We're good. We're not good. I don't know if we we have no more time with them built in. >> I can reach out to Rob but Rob said that he'd be willing to come out in August.

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>> Okay. Um other than this continuance do we have anything else on for the fourth? Are we going to have lucky green ladies? Did I see that in the >> Yes. Um Alyssa had filled out the application. She's going on the fourth. >> Um what about Dean Street? Have we heard

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from them? Just wondering. >> Nothing new but as I mentioned before they did have they did send me an email saying that they have an engineer which they worked out with the land owner to reach out to.

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Okay, [snorts] as long as we're moving forward. Anything else anybody wants to discuss? Now's the time when we have short meetings. If not, I would entertain a motion. >> Real quick, were we going to discuss anything to do with the financial statement? >> I got I got materials.

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We didn't specifically list it on this agenda. Well, we could talk about it if there's anything new. >> I just wasn't sure if you guys wanted to talk about it. >> I want to put it on every agenda just so we have the option. Just to make it easy and we don't get okay another uh >> Yeah.

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>> open meeting law complaint which we're collecting. >> I read all that and I had no comments or complaints. So >> So we'll put it on the agenda for the next meeting and maybe by that time I don't see us getting on a select board meeting now till August sometime.

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I know they had I forget where their next their next meeting is this week and then they'll probably be end of July they'll have another one. Um I would assume hopefully the beginning of August we could get on. That would be ideal. If not time's ticking away. August What

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is it? 18th I believe is August 19th is town meeting. That only gives us a few meetings to hash over things. >> August or October? >> October. October. Sorry. >> October 19th. >> Don't rush me. >> [laughter]

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>> I know. >> Well, if that's it then the motion you were looking for motion to adjourn. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. All in favor? >> Aye. >> Aye. Good night. Thank you very much.