Um, good evening. I'd like to call um the board of assessors meeting to order. It's Wednesday, February 19th. Uh, no present is uh director of assessing Denise Ellis, clerk Michael, member
Lucas Ray, and myself, Chair Richard. Okay, we'll start the agenda. The top of the agenda tonight, please stop. >> Oh, yep. Um, >> we have acceptance of the meeting uh minutes that we have on the uh my last
meeting on January 20th. I know we had a couple correspondences going back and forth. I just sent a a reply to you um regarding the minutes. I don't know if you had a chance to look at it. >> So, the original email came out on the
second mall and I responded. She never responded. And then I sent out another email which I didn't get a response from anybody either. And then today I sent out a third email. So my question was who's writing who's drafting up the minutes? Like who's writing up what
version of the minutes? So um I assume you can >> Yep. So I look at the video and I do the minutes from there and then I give it to Kelly and then she types them up and sends it out. >> So you and Kelly write the minutes. >> Yeah. >> I just didn't agree with the version of
the minutes. Okay. >> And I was, you know, trying to get a response so I can make some edits, but I didn't get a response from anybody. >> Well, what we can do, um, if this is fine, we can, uh, table them. We've done this before. You had made amendments and
then forward them to us and then we can review them in the next meeting. >> I mean, there's a video of the meeting, so you guys can just vote on it. I'm just not going to vote on the minutes the way they stand. I think they were were flawed. Okay. >> So, you guys can vote them. I'm not
going to vote for them. But >> whatever you want to do. Well, we can try to make changes that well, >> you know, I was trying to make the edits, you know, for the last couple weeks, but nobody responded to me. So, >> Well, how do you feel? Do you want >> I don't really care to be honest with you. Nobody makes any noise. So, >> all right.
>> Vote on. >> What about the process going forward? Do you think >> the process going forward? I mean, it's, you know, I think I think we should all be involved in it, you know, and I don't think the minute should be written by, you know, Kelly Malone and Denise Elvis, you know, two members of the town who
clearly have an issue with me. So, I think, you know, maybe we all get together and write up a quick skew or people just, you know, just refer people to the to the video. >> Well, what about um as we have it now and then if we can get them quicker,
then we can make edits. just keep it to the facts of, you know, rather than putting in their version, her version, Kelly's version of what happened >> rather than just keep it to the facts, you know, let's just, you know, we signed the bills, we did this and that and anything else you can see if you watch the meeting.
>> That's pretty. >> So, we'll do it that way. >> We don't need to do a long drawn out, you know, draft of every conversation. >> All right, that's fine. So with that, um, just to take care of that housekeeping, can we make a motion to,
um, are you all right? We'll make a motion for the last. >> You guys sure motion to acceptance. >> Okay. Um, second. And all those in favor? >> Two to one. Okay, great. Thank you. And we'll do that. We'll make a note next
time and we'll just go back and forth and see how that goes. And if that doesn't work, then we can uh go forward and and work on that. So, all right. Um, next we have um old business. Denise, is that
anything? >> Uh, I don't I don't think old business. >> I don't have anything. >> Okay. Anyone else? Any >> All right. Um,
other business topics not reasonably anticipated. So, anything we we did uh >> I see land values in here. I don't know what that is. I mean, I know what land values are. I just don't >> land sales. >> Land sales. Oh, did I put values on? I put
>> I I I was thinking just cuz we're going to be working on abatements for the next two or three meetings anyways or how long however long it takes. um that you know just to put a pin on the map to get an idea you know where land
sales are. >> Mhm. >> Independent you know land sales as a standalone would have had they gone up and contrast and compare that to you know the property as well. So that was just an
exercise um may mean nothing but it might just kind of give us an idea as well. So Denise put together I think the last three years for this. >> Yeah, this all came from uh PK actually. >> Yep. >> You got a copy.
>> Is there I think all the copies. >> We got an email too. >> Okay. This is >> I have packets from you guys from different things. It's uh >> so we can look at this one.
And that's just it looks like in fiscal year 24 6% over year. >> Yeah. >> So 25 and then 24
>> right. And so, um, you see, I think I wrote down a PE sale. A P sale is, um, a land sale with, um, a building on it. Usually like a newer construction or something like that
to look that up. >> So, what would that be? Like a development that's just getting started? >> Yeah, kind of. Or just a new home. >> So, you know, you have the land sale first and then by the time they do it, there's probably a building on there. So, that's why they code them P.
But it's really the land sale. So if you see like um like FY24 >> the first one >> we had the value at um the land value was 80,000. >> Mhm.
>> And the land value went up to the sale price was 105 >> 85,000. >> Oh 85. Sorry I was the wrong tough but yeah I see it >> to 105 to 105. Sorry to apologize for everything. >> We can keep shopping.
>> And then there was a building value on top of that. >> Yeah. >> And and again, this would be um not 100% familiar with that property or that land. Was that where does that stand now? Do you know is that >> there's a building on it now? >> Okay.
>> Yep. >> Yep. No. So, so when you see beside it, if you go across, >> it says a colonial is a house style, two stories, year built 2023. >> The effective year, the NLA is a journal living area. That's how big the house
is. First and second floor, third maybe. >> Okay. >> And then the building value at 50% cuz it wasn't complete when I was out there. So at 50%, it's at 3769. >> Okay. So that's how you read that going across >> in determining the percentage of the
builders. How is that determined? >> They take all the sales, >> they put them all in the system. So there's you there's a whole report with this >> and then they figure it out from there. >> Um so you have the median price, the dev, you know, the average deviation and
the cood. Is that something you would go on site just to verify the construction or? >> Yeah. When there's new construction for the CO, I go out and I inspect the dwelling. Yeah. >> Cuz I have to figure out what kind of um quality quality of construction there
is. >> Mhm. >> Even though we have plans, a lot of plans change, so I have to measure it, >> do the interior, things like that. And then I'll sign off on a co when I've done my part of it. And if a property with the development is eight or 10
homes and a lot of times foundations are done, but then two or three you get a custom model home and you have two or three that are >> everything's different. So it all goes by the So if it's a development, they're usually the same quality of construction cuz it's the same developer. >> Mhm.
>> Um so the quality of construction might will be the same, but the house style might be different. The square footage obviously will be different things like that >> but it's recognized in the status that >> absolutely yeah >> okay all right >> so what is the relevancy of this you
know land >> I was just I was curious to see what the percentage of land was you know we talk about um you know the whole property assessment I was just curious where did land how did that fall in as far as a increase in relationship
to the property I mean, you you also got to take into fact that, you know, where the propert is located, what kind of lot some of these are on Reservoir Street, which is not going to carry a lot of value, and some of these are on >> Yep. And we have all that in there. So, when you go when you're going across,
>> you'll see um condition factors. Um do they have land factors here? They'll tell you how much acreage is there. So, like the first one on Plain Street was over four acres. >> Yeah. >> The factor is 100. Is this every lot that sold in 2024 and every lot that
sold in 2025? >> This is all they're called land sales and P. Yeah, they should be. Well, not all of them. >> Every lot in 2024 that sold >> only if they're like arms length sales, things like that. These ones might include everything. But this is from
sale year um 21 through 23 for 24 because we have to have with the state we have to have so many land sales to look at. So that means we have to go back. So when you was looking at FY25, we got one, two, three, four. That's it. We got eight lots. That's all we sold in
Norton was eight lots in 2025. >> I think we have a few more in this pine alone. >> I'm just wondering if this 5% increase is factoring in just these eight lots or is it every single lot that sold in town or are we cherry picking? >> I think it's just >> they don't cherry pick the eight. >> No.
>> Well, I mean there's I mean there's there's only eight lots that sold here. Is that all we sold in 2025 or did we sell >> under these under these codes 1300, 1320, and 1310? >> But you're showing a 5% increase and a 6% increase year-over-year. I just want
to make sure that this isn't >> um this isn't >> they go through >> I'm not cherry picking lots. >> No, no, they they pull everything. They pull everything. You know, you might have development that would be different that fall under
one sale. Um, depending when it's sold, like over off of Plane, uh, Plain Street, Pine Street, >> Pine Street, >> where Lloyd is, those all those ones, those aren't in here individually because it was purchased >> as a development. So, it was one big sale. So, you wouldn't have all those
individual lots there. >> So, those wouldn't qualify under this classification. >> Correct. >> I just want to make sure that we're not, you know, >> No, they pull everything. and they go through all the sales. Um, I look through them, then they go through everything and they do the final valuations on all of them. Um,
and these are these are land sales and they're called P codes, which is the land with a building being attached to it. And those are all state codes that would go by. So, every town in the state goes by the same codes.
>> I just got my MLS log in. I can check. There you go. What did you get in office? >> I just got reertified as a real estate agent. >> Oh, okay. >> Last week. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> All right. Nice. >> Um, are you going to do these or just
just >> No, I just for for informationational purposes only as we're going to be kind of doing the applications. So, if I find the rest of the lots that sold in town in 2025 and we do the average, we're
going to see a 6% increase on every lot, >> what's listed in here, it depends on what's how the lots are listed. If they're auction, they don't usually include those. Um, it depends what they are. >> This is just what you provided us. You know, you're showing an increase, which, you know, no doubt that there's a five, >> but there's sometimes you have to take
lots out depending on how they're being sold. Um, if it's an auction, that's not an arms length sale or anything. That's an auction that's going to go low below value. Um things like that, you know, because you have more I think there's one year going below value would drop your percentage.
You know, the increase would not be that would bring down your percentage. >> Well, it's not an arms length sale. So, with assessments, we go with arms length sales. >> Okay. >> Usually, >> yeah, I don't f don't understand. Okay. Are there are there abatements
that a dispute in the land value? >> I think so. >> Yeah. No, I just didn't understand. That's fine. >> Okay. Uh next uh vendor bills. >> Did you just have two? >> Oh, wait. Do I get my my thing? >> Oh, you want to do that?
>> Sorry. Sorry. >> One one thing I bring up and then I get uh I'll do a brief explanation, right? Sure. >> Uh I looked around some other towns and
on their board our board of assess and we what we don't have on there is you know what we do and don't do which comes up right. We also don't have I know if you dig you can find the application and dig out for an
exemption. What I'd like to do is kind of put those >> so exemptions. Yeah, exemptions are um >> I didn't see them. >> They're on the left hand side when you go on our website. >> Mhm. >> Uh
the abatement is as well. >> The abatement the abatement's off now because the time is up. So I took it down. >> Okay. >> That's usually under real estate abatements. Um >> so we took the link down abatement. >> Yeah. Because >> why would we take that off? >> Because they were due February 1st.
>> But what about going in next year? Then they'll go back up again because people send them over in the summertime. That's why they were down in the first place cuz I took them up. >> Is your put a date? >> They were never on They were never on the town. >> They've been on the town site before. Definitely. Um but I take them down
because if I leave them up there, then people send them all summer and you can't take them. So it's a waste of everybody's time. So they come down and plus I have to put up the right year as well because we change the year on them all the time. But on the left hand side, you'll see um there's a row of things.
It tells you um motor vehicle, the assessor's database, personal property taxes, things like that. >> Then we have the real estate exemptions over there. They should be >> okay. >> Um but no, we can definitely update the website. >> Okay. I just like to really stick something in there like a assessor do
this, assessors don't do that. And this is totally snagged from some other town site. I didn't write this out, >> but we have a little bit on there that's that's on the website. Um it it's called >> roles and responsibilities. >> The role and responsibility of the assessor which is all on the front page
and it goes into a little bit but we can definitely add to that. There's no question if you want to put like >> Don't even pick up the light. She didn't see it on the side there. You find we're looking for
that right here. >> You want to add stuff? Absolutely. What I'd like to add in here like in this text is I would like to add links to the abatement application and the exemption and we can just say
>> you can change the link to say you know non not available you can't submit this until whenever. >> Yeah I think we should have it up there just because some people once spend all year >> might want to look and then that's kind of in context. I'm not the worst
creative web navigator, but I didn't run into that. >> Yeah. I I think I think it should be up there all year. >> Yeah. Yeah. And um you know, and again, you can just have a uh a highlight, you know, uh application um
>> commences deadline. >> If we got 3,000, it would be a problem if we only get 100 or so. And that's Yeah. >> Yeah. But it should be up there all year. And it should be And um you did change that link on the bottom. Was it on the
bottom? It >> was on the bottom >> and then you put it when you clicked that right there from the center. >> It comes over here. >> So, we'll change that though. I think we're getting a new website. So, that's all going to be updated when we get the new website. >> Okay. >> So, >> but I think it should be up there all
all >> uh other item I have which came up in the conversation and I I didn't know the answer. So when we evade a property just for example these like national grid or
someone who has a huge property in town uh if they went and got a 10 to20 $20 million abatement somehow how does that change people's bills that year or does it only change them for the next year like let's say you know they get granted an abatement for their polls
and instead of 50 million or whatever they are they come out at 30 because they're old and gross. Where does that gap get made up? Next year? >> What do you mean on their car themselves? Like what we've taxed them or where is that money coming out of?
>> Yeah. Where is it coming out of or where do we because I know we have that fund that when we overcharge cuz a couple years ago there was $400,000 in it that we eventually hand back to the regular budget. >> So we that would be the overlay account. >> Right. >> Right. So all the abatements come out of that. >> Okay. >> Um all these ones that are at the ATV
>> Yeah. I try to figure out how much it's going to be. >> Okay. >> And I put that in there. >> Okay. >> Um and we will be using what's in there. >> So that overlay account is essentially where we remove or add the money from the abments. >> Right. So what happens is the finance
director accounting will put I'll tell them what I need what I estimate that I need in that account. >> Um and they take that out of the budget and put it in there. >> Okay. So all this money actually comes out of budget, >> right? So like a plane craft in an island or something like that, you might want more money in the overlay account
because you're going to say this chart husk of a building is not what we built, >> right? So a couple years ago I had a lot of money in the overlay account on the side. Like I said like at the >> at the ATB I put a lot in there because we have a lot of warehouses. This year I cut those down because we're going to be settling
>> quite a few of those. M >> um but we will have to pay out some probably >> and that's and what is that like 1% of our in what's in that typically $ few00,000? I don't even know. I just remember when we had to fork it back that year. >> Yeah. Um well we use it all because we
have to leave money in there for all the exemptions. It covers the exemptions, the abatements, >> um all of that. So >> Okay. And that just keeps rolling along at it on its own until we clear it out. >> Okay. >> Yeah. If there's any extra money, then we would >> All right. >> give some back. That answers my question.
>> Okay. >> Okay. Anything else to add, Mike? >> No, I'm good. That answer my question. >> And um so we we will continue as an action item, the dos and don'ts. See if we can, you know, agree on we
agree on what we that we a you want to put more information. So the one thing I see that like you know this form that you gave us today it says right in here that you know the assessors basically required you know that we have to determine the full and fair cash value.
>> Mhm. >> And I think that's where a lot of discrepancies go is you know how are we determining the full and fair cash value. So if a home let's just do an example. If a home sells for 1.8 million
that is the benchmark. That is what the home sold for. So how was that home then nine months later valued at 2.1 million? So the the home sold for 1.8. That home is worth 1.8. So I actually got the home
here on Reservoir Street. It sold in 2022 for 1.880 million. So a,880,000. It sold in 2024 for 1.8. So, it actually sold for $80,000 less 2 years later.
That current value on that home is 2.15 million right now. That's an increase of $350,000 in the last 18 months or right around 20%. So, if that home sold for $80,000 less 2 years later, how are we then
increasing the value of that home $350,000? The home is what it's worth. It's what what it's worth is what it sold for. So I just and if you look at the you know this guy's taxes here you know what is it 13% or whatever 12% you know he's
paying an extra 4 to 5 grand a year on valuation of his home it's not worth 2.1 million it's worth 1.8 that's what it sold for >> right it was worth 1.8 8 when he bought it. That's right. That's full impact fair cash value from there. Would it happen after? I don't know. So, it's
that would be considered an outlier. He's on the reservoir. Maybe there was some other sales on the reservoir that um included the land portion of it to go up because it has a reservoir. If you look at home in town, >> if you let me finish, if you look at the
res on the reser on the land tab, it'll see you'll see 120. That means it's on the reservoir. There's a code. So there must have been other homes on the reservoir that went up because it's on the water. So what happens with that is because again everything we do has codes
in it and it's all connected to the tables that we have. So if one or two houses on the reservoir go up, it's hitting everybody with that code. >> Now we again, we don't go into each individual account. We don't do that. That's over 7,000 accounts. We can't do
that every year. That's why we have software to do all that stuff. And there are outliers. This will happen. This is why I tell people always check your property record card every year because there could be issues with it. >> There's two homes on the reservoir that sold over a million and a half. I mean that are valued over a million and a
half. The other home is directly next door. That home is 3,500 square ft larger than the home I just mentioned. That home is valued $184,000 less.
Let me finish that. That home is owned by the conservation chairman. Okay, this is my issue. This home is directly next door and other property. I used to live on the property. It's 3,500 ft bigger. They're both waterfront properties. This
home is less 200 grand less. Neither of those homes have done any permitting. Neither of those. You can't find any comps in town because homes that haven't sold for $2 million. There's not a home in town that sold for $2.1 million. This home is way overvalued based on the sale price.
>> You have to look at the quality construction. You have to look at all the different factors on those cards. Are they actually equal? No, they're not. One is a newer home, one's an older home. What's the quality of construction? That's a huge factor. Um, that house, the newer house is a
beautiful home that has a higher quality of construction. And that's the one of the highest ones we have. Um, that's one factor right there. I haven't really looked at it. They're not getting a discount anywhere. If there's going to be any kind of a discount on that account, then you would see it on there
under the depreciation. >> If there was any kind of discount, I've not been to that house, so I don't know. >> So, this is >> And just because a house sells for 1.8 doesn't mean we don't have houses out there that are assessed more than 1.8.
Obviously, houses are going to keep going up. >> I've actually looked at and things like that. I mean, no houses stop at 1.8 because that's the highest sale. That's impossible. >> You don't. So, we're supposed to be basing valuations on sales from 2 years
prior. When you get into these higherend homes, you're not getting sales for $2 million. There's not a home in town that sold for $2 million. I've looked at every single home in town. I look at the sales. I've done the comps. >> So, there's not a home in town that has sold. This is the highest selling home in town right now. And it sold
>> That was 2 years ago. >> That was 2 years prior. And if you look at comps, comparable homes from 2 years prior, there's no comps for that one. >> Okay? >> So the sale price is the comp. >> So let me explain how high-end homes work. Again, when they bought that house
at 1.8, there weren't any sales out there for 1.8, correct? How did they get it to 1.8? When you have different homes like this, a high-end home in an area that doesn't typically have them, the appraiser has to go out of town and
they'll look at surrounding towns that are comparable and they'll look at the homes and they'll find them. That's how people in high-end homes get their appraisals done because um that's the only way to do it. They're selling a house for that amount. The appraiser has to come in and figure out how we're
going to get, you know, why is the house valid at this if there's nothing else in the town. I understand that you go out of town, but you know when you say you go out of town cuz me and you actually went through this in Boston at the appellet and you went out of town for my home, but I live 500 >> I didn't go out of town for your home. >> You went to East
>> and I live 500 ft away from Taton where there were comparable homes, but we already discussed this. So >> a comparable town. >> Well, there's comparable homes. So, so you know another thing, so you know, not to beat a dead horse, but if you got uh
a re appraisal, okay, so here's another example. You got an appraisal for 1.5 million for a home, a bank appraisal for a refi, and you got an appelllet tax court decision that comes in at 1.6. Okay, you got to assume that between the
bank refi and the appellet that they're pretty accurate. So then why does the town on Jack get up to 1.9? >> So on an appraisal, because I'm an appraiser, I've been doing it for 25 years. When you have a situation that I
know you're talking about and you have a 6,000 ft garage that no one else has um and you can't bracket that garage, then the and an appraiser cannot put in
the banks only allow an appraiser to put in a certain amount of money for an additional building. After that, >> there's too many issues. So they can only go up 100 maybe 200,000 they can get away with with the bank for an additional building maybe not but if
they don't have anything to bracket that then it can only then the appraiser can only bring in a certain amount and between that appraisal because that garage is not $100,000 I mean to build that garage as you know it's probably going to cost a few hundred,000 to build
that garage. Um and that's how the appraiser has to do it. That's why you're not seeing a full value on that garage because the appraiser can't do it because there's nothing to bracket. >> So, we shouldn't be we shouldn't be taking in a bank appraisal or an appelllet decision into factor when >> we did. >> Okay.
>> And we did that. >> So, if you're talking about garages, you know, there's several garages in town which which I feel are overvalued and some are undervalued. So when you're talking about garages and you say that that garage is worth more money because you consider that livable space, but
that garage is not livable. That garage is, you know, per the per the bylaws in town, you cannot live in that garage. You cannot rent it out. It's not a declared in-law. So you can't value it like it's a home. It's not a home. It's still a garage. It may be a finished garage. >> Is it detached?
>> Detached. And you're incorrect on that. >> I am actually correct. And and I've discussed this at the appellet and I won that argument at the appellet. You didn't agree with that decision because it >> I won the appellet and you didn't agree with that. And there's other homes in town who are dealing with the same thing where Mrs. Ellis is saying that is a
declared livable space in garages that are not heated. This garage, another garage is not heated. The the it's got lower than 7 foot ceilings in like 3/4 of the garage. There's no um there's no livable space. >> Any mechanicals in the garage? there's no livable space up there and that she
come in and she says that's a livable space. That is not livable space. We cannot charge someone $180 a square foot like it's a home when it's a finished garage. >> So it is a finished garage. >> It's finished to the point where there's sheetrock in there's no livable space. There's no mechanicals at all.
>> Yes. >> Furnaces. Uh when let me explain garages cuz I gave you all the paperwork on the garages from the state website. If it's a garage and is and you have a finished room above, it is considered livable space. It doesn't matter if you can
sleep in it or anything, but you can hang out in it. And this if you have four, there are four factors for living area. You have your walls, ceilings, floor, and heating. You only need three of those factors for it to be considered livable. And again, I gave you all that
information last year about the garages. >> We argued that and we argued that and I won that argument. deal with. Well, they made a $270,000 adjustment. No, we got to talk about this, right? This is how it's not just me. There's other properties in town who are dealing with the same thing who are dealing with the
abatement process with Mrs. Ellis and she's going and saying that that's livable space. It's not loable space. How about there's another garage in town that's 1,600 ft² finished and it's valued at $40,000. And guess what? That gentleman is also on a board in town. $40,000. You can't build that garage for
$40,000. So, there's several garages who are, you know, folks are getting favorable. >> Garage was only 75,000 to build. That's what you have on your permit. >> You got a 6,000 foot garage. >> And and I'm getting bills for what? 400,000. >> Yep. >> All right. It's big.
>> And you valued it at almost 700,000 and the state made an adjustment of 300,000. Right. >> Because you were wrong and you valued it wrong. >> It's not that. >> So, I have a question just so if someone has an overvalued who they think is an overvalued property, they file an abatement. Mhm. >> Right. We'll go through that process.
>> If let's say you're you're driving along, you see a garage and it's massive and it's you look at the property card and it's valued at $10,000. >> What do we do in that case? >> We take a good look at it. >> I understand that. Like how do we
>> is that what you're asking? like how do we bump how do we equalize between >> I think it should be a fair process where you know certain members you just because you're in the you know so we can't >> there are no there are no members getting any discounts every
certain people who are playing are getting very favorable valuations and then certain people are not getting I think it should all be a fair process I think it let's go to the computers and let's punch everything into the computers and let's not have individual homes that are targeted whether it be up or down, you know,
because I've already proven this fellas without a doubt that there have been members of this town on different committees who have gotten favorable valuations in their property without going through the process. >> So, why don't we do this? I I I think again we're kind of going off the margins.
>> So, let me just explain garage. I'm sorry. Let me just explain garages before I forget. There are different garages out there. We have your detach we're only going to talk about detached garages. So, you have your detached garage, your typical twocar garage, maybe no finished attic or anything. That's your basic garage. Then you have
a detached garage that will have a a finished loft area. It's not a full second floor. It's because of the roof angles. It's only maybe a half. So, that's in there as a detached garage on one card. It's on a line item with a
finished loft area. And we just and we put the measurements in there. how many feet are on the second floor, things like that. Then you have the third type of garage which is a detached garage with a full second story
that depending on the size of it in the layout of it will might go on to a second card. We do have some in town that are like that, but there are different levels of garages. So, you really have to take a close look at everything. You have to take a close look at what the quality of constructions are, what the size is.
Again, there's so many different factors, but not >> and I'll just And didn't you say if a if a detached garage gets built years later or after the primary home's
built, you said the appraisal only can go up so much >> when So, no. So, when you have an enormous garage, which I've researched, I don't know how many towns to find a garage big, but I can't find one because
they're not legal in a residential area. So, this is the issue that's we're having. He has a a commercialsiz garage in a residential area. That is an issue because there's nothing out there like that. The appraisers can't find a garage like that. It's impossible. There's nothing
>> a quarter of a mile down the street from me on Ed Road. That's the same exact size. >> Same exact size. >> Okay. So, >> it could be a barn. We don't know. If we're not in there, I don't get in. >> That's what mine is. It was a bar. >> All right. Let's Let's >> Anyway, let's just move on to something else. I you know, we're going to get
into the abatement. So, I want to know like how, you know, it's not up to the tax assessor to determine the the abatements. It's up to us as a board to determine the abatement. So, she's going to present us with the, you know, abatements and then we're going to review. We're going to come up with a fair process so that we're fair to the taxpayers at this time.
>> Correct. So those >> we're going to do the same way we do every year. >> Josh's property. I just want to see >> which one. >> Uh the other one not the >> conservation. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Patrick house. Yeah.
>> I have to call it Josh's house. Have a ring to it. >> So I think that one's all about the code on the land because >> it's a reservoir code. >> Just looking at his garage. New knowledge of garages. >> He doesn't have a garage. um reservoir there. >> Which house you talking about?
>> Uh John's house. >> Yeah. No, he doesn't have a detached garage. >> So his his land value went up $10,000 in one year. And right next door that land value went up $10,000. So the land value isn't a dispute. Clearly they both live
on the water. They're both on the same property. >> Same size. >> Same size. Yeah. Roughly. >> No, it's not a land issue. It's just it's just mis valued. Yes. >> You have to look at the appreciation on the card, quality of construction.
There's so many different factors, >> but this home went up 20%. And my issue is some homes are going up 2 3 4 5%. Some homes are going up 20%. Yeah. >> There's no consistency there. >> This is a perfect example of what our role is,
>> right? When we see something that's questionable >> that we have a question. >> Yeah. Every nothing is going to go up the same >> when we review it. And when we do, I mean, um, when you mentioned about the bank appraisal, I didn't know that that they can only go up so high.
>> Otherwise, it gets thrown back to the appraiser and the appraiser has to figure out how to bring that garage in and regular value, which is impossible when you can't bracket that garage. It's impossible. >> Okay? So, um, believe me, I've gone through it a million times with things like that and it's it's very difficult
and the banks are very >> All right. So, let's, um, you know, this is going to be in continued discussion for a lot. >> So, the other question is, you know, in the emails, you guys said that we have to have these abatements done by in five weeks. So, why is is there something in
the state law that says we have to have them done by the end of March? >> Three months from the day they apply. >> Three months. >> Yeah. Yeah, it's 3 months but um again we get the fiscal year and and in in mind too. So >> 21 is the cuto off date. So 51 would be
the we have to have them done by May 1st. >> Yeah. >> So not five weeks. So May 1. >> Well it depends. It depends on when they apply. If they apply January 1st then >> when they turn them in when they apply when it's stamped in it goes by that >> three months from when they applied.
>> 90 days is it? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I um what I had in my mind too um when I said that was there's going to be a change of members as well and we need you know >> exactly up to speed as well.
>> So that's the other you know I mean I'm I'm not sure if Mike pulled papers I don't know who you know did you pull papers for the re-election? >> No. >> All right. And so if Mike seat's going to turn over then, you know, >> correct. >> We should probably >> That was my When does the next board sit? It's not immediately like April
12th. Wouldn't it be like July 1st? >> I don't know when the board you would >> I don't remember. >> I don't think so. >> It's at the following meeting, Pat. The next meeting after the election. >> It's quiet after the election. >> Yeah. >> There's not really lock. >> I believe the website I think the
website says April 30th. I don't know how that we get elected. There's a gap. This is >> But you're sworn in right away. >> You're sworn in. Yeah. You're sworn in that next day or when you go. Um and then they have >> I think if you go at the website now,
it'll say April 30th. >> As a um >> when's the election? April 12th. >> Uh 11th or 12th? I I I forget. It's a Saturday. >> Yeah. So if the cut off for these is some of them are 51, then some of this some of these abatements could roll over
to the new members. Yeah, exactly. >> How many people pulled for a session? Just one. >> Only just one. I don't know this here. >> I don't know. I didn't get the list. >> But in order for that new member vote, >> I tried to get it to be certified.
>> They have to be certified. >> So, but you get with two. That's fine. The core is two. >> Yeah. >> So, >> so those are all things you just trying to think. >> Yeah. >> Okay.
My I think that's right on the benefits. >> April 30th I think it says. >> Um it doesn't say in the charter actually. It might be on the >> No, it's on the website though. It'll say term expires. If you look at all the appointed I >> elected officials, appointed officials.
I believe it's go to the actual law. So >> yeah, I'll find by law. >> Yeah, that sounds exciting. >> This is not in the >> but I think general practice has been that once the election the next day. All right. All right. Uh, vendor bills.
>> Yeah, we just have two bills. >> Okay. >> Um, KP is for um the ATV cases. >> What? >> ATV cases. >> Yeah. And
so this is for Oh, Simborn in Oh, this is the mapping company. Um, that's a GIS. So, um, planning puts something, they updated something on the GIS.
>> So, it's just an up. >> Yeah. So every time like if we do any kind of a project to so I'm in charge of the GIS. So if anything comes through that needs to be done >> um there's a fee. Um, they updated and I forget. >> What's it right here on this thing? It's 4:30. The terms of terms.
>> Oh, 4:30. Okay. >> 4:30. >> April 30, >> right? That's >> right on, >> right? Yeah. Okay, Michael. All right. We have monthly list.
>> Yep. So, we have um motor vehicle on one page and then we have the exemptions. We split them up now so they're on two different banks so they're not all one report. up. Take this
Michael Se. All right. Next is the motor vehicle warrants and warrants commitments. So, we have three of them. We have um two from 2025 at the end of the year and then we have the
main one um the 26 that's 2026 Texas. Mhm. Come on. There we go. Okay, >> I think the chaplain has to go into executive. >> Thank you.
>> So that's all I have and I think >> that's it. >> Yeah. And then we have to go into executive session. Okay. >> Uh this particular one I think we need to we just have to discuss something with it. >> Okay. >> So >> yeah. So what we'll do now is we'll um we go into executive session. I'll make
a motion to uh >> second. >> Turn and go into executive session. Second. All in favor? >> Coming back into open session? >> Yes, executive session. Thank you. >> No. Are you coming back into open session? >> Yeah, we'll
>> Well, we just opened back up to close the meeting. >> Yeah. Well, I think Are you saying >> No, we're going to suspend and then we'll we'll close the the meeting after the executive session. >> Okay. >> You're not coming back so he can go home. He wanted to leave. That's why I was saying if
>> Yeah. pull you back in for one minute. >> I like language. I was trying to >> Did you take your vote to go in? >> Yeah. Yeah.