Okay, it's 6 uh 6 o'clock. We're going to open the select board meeting. We're going to have a uh roll call. Um we have Kevin O'Neal, Denise Luciano, Bob Kimell, and myself, Roger Myan. Alec
Rich won't be here this evening. Um right now, we'll start with the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. Okay. First on the agenda is the resignation of John Eisner as a special police officer for the Norton Police Department. Mr. Town manager, do you have any other information besides what we have in our
packet? >> I do not. We would just like to thank this special police officer for his years of service. Greatly appreciated. So, I would really like to um thank um John Eisner for all of his years of
service to the town of Norton, not just as is uh while he was here as a special police officer, but he uh he served the town tremendously for many years and u we can't thank him enough.
We have some minutes. Mr. Chairman, make a motion we approve the minutes of Octo August 28, 2025 as written. >> A second. >> Have a motion and a second. Any discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor? >> I >> I >> I. >> Chairman, I make a motion that we approve the minutes of September 11th, 2025 as written. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor?
>> I, >> Mr. Chairman, I make a motion we approve the executive minutes, meeting minutes of September 23rd, 2025 as written. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. Any discussion?
Seeing none, all those in favor? I I >> I got one more. Nope. Did we already do September 25? No. Motion approve the minutes of September 21st, 2025 as written.
>> Second. >> Motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I >> I. >> Any discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? We got that already. Okay, moving on. Change of manager license and permits at
the uh Old Colony Wine and Spirits. >> Hey, just in time. Come on in. >> Welcome. >> Thank you. >> So, um I understand you're looking for a change of manager at the >> She's going to be the new manager on the license.
>> Yeah. >> Uh what can you tell me about your location? How you doing over there? >> Uh, not that great, but not bad either. >> Okay. >> Surviving. >> Good. Anybody have any questions? >> Uh, do you have any other locations that
you're that you own in town? >> Yes, Sun Market. >> Okay. And um are you the manager at Sun Market as well? >> Uh, she's not on the manager uh of the license. She's this is going to be the first manager of the license for her.
Okay. Chair, I'm going to make a motion we approve the change of manager for Shri Geramar LLC DBA Colony Wine and Spirits at 376 Little Colony Road and the proposed manager of record would be Irvy
C. Patel. Okay. pending conservation approval. I don't I don't think they're involved, but >> well, it says active. Second. >> Uh motion in a second. Uh Jen, is there a conservation approval that we're still waiting for for this?
>> No, they're just sorry, we started adding all the departments on that do inspections just as an extra precaution, but it doesn't apply to conservation and for this type of application. >> So, they won't be signing off anyway. >> They are, but it's not it's irrelevant. >> Just acknowledging it. Yes. >> Okay. Okay.
>> A motion and a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? >> I >> I >> Congratulations and good luck. I hope you do well down there. >> Thank you. >> We have the uh transfer of the common vicular license for Honeydew.
So this is a transfer of the common vicular license from Honeydew Operations Incorporated doing business as Honeydew Donuts to SMS Corporation doing business as Honeydew Donuts located at 61 West Main Street. >> Welcome. >> Thank you.
>> So this is just a uh transfer of uh the not so much the ownership of the building but the ownership of the business, >> right? >> Yes. From corporate to a franchisee. >> I'm sorry. Could you speak into the microphone? >> From corporate to a franchisee.
>> That's good. Perfect. Um, how are things going down there? >> Good. >> Yeah. >> Yes. Yeah. No complaints. >> Good. Any questions? >> Just out of curiosity, what what would make you want to go from corporate to franchisee?
>> I I was never in corporate. Okay. They just have stores that they franchise and they I just took one of them. >> Okay. >> So, I believe that that location was uh uh corporate managed for the last year or so, couple of years. And
>> yeah, Kevin Cork was a franchisee until February of 22 and then corporate was February 22 until now. >> Now. Okay. >> But we ideally we don't like to run stores. They're franchised. Thanks. >> Perfect.
>> Well, welcome. Well, you hope you do well here in town. >> Thank you. Thank you very much. >> Chairman, make a motion we transfer the transfer of common vicial license from Honeydew Corporations Incorporated, DBA, Honeydew Donuts to SSM Corporation, DBA,
Honeydew Donuts located at 61 West Main Street. >> Second >> motion in a second. Any further discussion? Do you have anything else you want to say? Does she have to do anything any inspections or anything further from >> um for the transfer of the license? I
Jen, I don't whatever. >> I believe in the application there was already all the sign off from the inspections department. >> Thank you. >> Okay, motion and a second. Seeing no further discussion, all those in favor? I >> I I >> Thank you.
>> Congratulations. Announcements, Mr. Kimble. Let's see. Just a reminder, the Halloween parade will be Sunday, October 26th at 12:00 noon. It'll be kicking off at the U on Old Colony Road at the Chartley in
Chartley at the Edboroough line and going down to St. Mary's. So again, that's uh Sunday, October 26, 12 o'clock. ED CPR training on Thursday, October 16th from 6:00 to 8:00 PM at the Nelson Senior Community Center at 120 Main
Street um 120 Mansfield Avenue. There's a fundraiser for Norton Historical Society, which will be held on Monday, October 20th at the Goat City Pub. Uh present tickets during your visit, dining in or take out, and 20% is donated to the historical society.
The following new town meeting will be held on Monday, October 20th at 7 p.m. at the Norton High School. The Norton Veteran Council wishes to courtly invite you to invitation to participate in our historic Veterans Day parade. This year's parade will be Marshaw's Norton High School teacher,
Eric Pollace. The parade will be held on Tuesday, November 11th, 2025. In the event of inclement weather, the ceremon ceremonies will be held inside Henry Ael Gymnasium. The participants in the parade, including BFW Post 8049 Honor God, will
assemble at the Northern High School parking lot at 66 West Main Street at 9:30 a.m. and stop off at 10:00 a.m. All military personnel are welcome to march or ride on the veterans float. The parade will proceed out to Norton High School bus access road across Freeman
Street from across from Freeman Street. Continuing east on Main Street to the stone monument at the corner of Pine and East Main Street for a brief ceremony. Upon completion, the pro possession will reform proceeding west to the town common uh for continued Veterans Day
ceremonies. Upon completion of all the advanced formation will reform a return to Henry Aiel School to disband. Refreshments will be available in the school cafeteria. The Northern Historical Societ historic district commission would like to
advise everyone there's an application for certificate or appropriateness for 10 West Main Street in Norton, Mass. In accordance with Massachusetts General Law, Chapter 4C, Historic Districts in the Town of Norton's Historic District bylaws, the Norton Historic District
Commission will hold a public hearing on Thursday, October 23rd, 2025 at 5:00 p.m. at the Norton Town Hall 72 East Main Street to consider a request for appropriateness by Old West Main LLC PO
Box 10001 Eastern Mass 02334 for a proposed construction of a two-story mixeduse building at 10 West Main Street in the Norton Historic District. Any persons interesting or wishing to be heard should appear at the time and place of the public hearing.
Chia parade. I think that's it. Um I would just like to make one more announcement that u the annual DeFoses Peterson food drive will be November 1st. Um foods can be dropped off over at
the Nelson Community Center from 9 to 12:30. If there are any persons interested in uh being a uh community leader in their area, they can uh contact me and I will give you bags that
you can drop off the week ahead of the food drive and then uh it'll have a list of foods that are needed and pick those up on November 1st. So, we're a little bit early for our first public hearing.
Um, let's take uh number five, the uh host communities or uh lucky green ladies. Mr. Town Manager, can you give us a little background on this place? Yes, sir. Mr. chair. Um, so Lucky Green
Ladies already has a host community agreement that was entered into 3 years ago. It was one of the first host community agreements. So it was reviewed by legal council to bring it uh updated to be in line with the the current um
standards which essentially don't allow towns to charge additional fees as the former guidelines allowed. So we have charged the maximum fee allowable which is 3%. And um that's essentially the
application you have in front of you. This particular business I understand may be undergoing a change of location but that's not what's before us this evening. That would come again I understand in the next within the next
year. Um and that would be for to become a a a full delivery business. Um but again that's that's not tonight. Tonight is just the um renewal of the HCA already in place. Anybody have any questions?
So Mr. Town Manager, when you say 3% um what kind of income or does that give us? Do you have any idea if there's some sort of number that goes along with that? >> Excellent question. I haven't dug into this particular business's revenues.
I do have ballpark figures from other communities. I hesitate to I mean I'll I'll tell you approximately. I I've heard other businesses in comparable towns maybe may make between 1 and 300,000 uh in
revenue to the the town per year. Um, so I I might conservatively say >> it's a substantial amount of money that that we're talking >> definitely can be. >> Okay. >> I'd entertain a motion. >> I'll make a motion to approve the host
community agreement between town Green Ladies LLC dated 2025. >> Second. >> Uh motion and a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? I
>> I >> I >> Okay, we're uh 6:15. We're going to uh open the public hearing. >> Mr. Chairman, uh, public hearing and petition of Massachusetts Electric Company DBA National Grid to locate
poles, wires, and fixtures, including the necessary sustaining and protecting fixtures along and across public ways uh, Bert Street to National Grid to install one so pole on Bird Street beginning at point
approximately 20 ft west of the center line of the intersection of Bird Street and Carol Drive. National Group proposes to install an SO pole and anchor and guide wire across the street at pole 18/19
removing the true guide wire uh supporting pole lining on Carol Drive in Northern Mass. >> Is that was a motion to open the public hearing for that? >> Yes. >> Second motion and a second. All those in favor
of open and public hearing. >> I >> I >> So, do we have uh anybody to speak about this? >> Good evening. Uh I'm Michael Parent from uh National Grid Homedale uh distribution designer. Um so yes uh this
particular pole um needs to be installed because currently there's a tree guy that holds the tension back of that line uh that goes down that particular road. Um we don't use that as our engineering anymore. So we need a pole um with an
anchor behind it to hold the tension back so the pole doesn't lean in the direction of where it's going. And this is uh just from one poll. >> Correct. >> Any questions from the board? >> No, it sounds like it's just as a result of changes in engineering
>> on how you do those types of >> the tree guys tend to fail or people need to remove trees. So now it's, you know, back then they didn't get permission from anybody. They just put them in there. So >> yeah, >> they tend to fail though. The trees die, you know, die and now they're sitting there. So
>> great. Thanks. >> Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak to this matter? >> Come on up. >> You come on up. >> We need a wireless mic.
>> That's a different one. >> That's a different thing. Well, I'll you can come up when it's time to talk about that for sure. >> Yeah, >> Mr. Chair. >> Yes. >> Motion to close the public hearing. >> Second. >> Motion in a second to close the public hearing.
>> Uh uh petition for Mass Electric. J make a motion that we approve the uh >> Hang on a second. Let's just take a vote on that. Um yes. All those in favor? I >> I >> I chair make a motion to approve the rest relocation
in Carol R Street and Carol Drive. >> Second motion and a second. Any further discussion? >> Just to clarify, it's it's is it an additional poll, not a relocation? Correct. >> It's a brand new poll. >> It's a new poll. >> Yeah. >> Taking out the tree.
Seeing no further discussion, all those in favor? I >> I. >> So, if there's is there anybody here that's here to speak about any of these public hearings that we have about any of these polls? >> Sounds like she has the
Dean and Kate Way. >> Dean Street and Kate Way. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, when we get to that one, I just want to uh I I want to move through these uh public hearings, but they're supposed to be 5 minutes apart. And I just want to make sure I anybody that's
here to speak about something has an opportunity to. I don't want to open the next public hearing before time if somebody's here about something. So I would uh entertain a motion to open the 620 public hearing.
>> So moved >> second. [Music] >> It's going to take me a minute to read it. Yep. If we go to yours, that'll take a few minutes. Okay. Um, so before we open that public hearing, I just want to uh we're going
to jump right down to old business. Uh, number two, under old business policies, town building use, Norton Town Hall and Senior Community Center. Um, Mr. O'Neal and I have been working on this with the town manager. Um, we don't
have anything to bring to the board right now. Um it's been a very busy season for the town manager right now and he's been working diligently to get everything together for town meeting and um he's uh also been working to try to make sure we have coverage in the
buildings when uh we want to have them open for the public. So um we will have something probably right after town meeting to bring to uh to bring to the board to vote on if that's okay with the board. >> Can I have one suggestion? Mhm.
>> And the last section where groups using the meeting rooms may only charge a fee for participation the program being offered require approved by town manager. The fee for participation is charged the town of Norton will receive 10% of the total fee collected. I just want to know where that money is going
to go. That's all when you do it you can look at that. >> So right we're going to go through all of those uh particulars in the agreements before we bring it to the board. >> Okay. So we have a motion in a second to open the 620 um public hearing. Mr.
>> Chairman, make a motion. >> Let's vote on that. All those in favor to open the t public hearing. >> I >> I >> I >> Thank you. Go ahead, Mr. >> Mr. Chairman. Make a motion we open the public hearing and petition of Massachusetts Electric Company DBA National Grid in Verizon New
England Incorporated to locate poles wires and fixtures including the necessary sustaining and protecting fixtures along and across the following public way. South Washington Street. Install 5J post on South Washington Street, beginning at approximately 328
ft west of the center line of the intersection of Thomas Way at South Washington Street and continuing approximately 530 ft in the east direction. National Grid is proposing to install five new poles P565,
56, 67,68, and P569. [Music] 100 ft 150 ft plus or minus apart from each other heading east off existing pool number P1564 at 45 ft tall including supports to feed
a new commercial custom at 299 South Washington Street. Pool 1564 will also be need needed to be replaced with an anchored install installed. >> Any questions from the board?
Is this the same reason for the the poles, the engineering? >> Uh, so this is to feed a new customer. The the primary wire that would feed anybody um ends at pole 1584
or 1564, I'm sorry. Um, so it needs to continue on. Um, and to get to that customer, it has to go roughly 550 ft. And our spans about 150 ft apart. So that's why we need six poles to get there,
>> Mr. Chairman. >> Yes. >> Yeah. This is a new uh feed to the 299 South Washington Street, which is a new bu building being built right behind the old I don't know what they call it today. They used to call it the Holiday Inn, but it's right on the Taunt North line. And these flows have to be
extended from the extended stay all the way down to the new building. Uh there was a concern and I'm not sure what your your timeline is on this, but we received u a request from the builder at 299 South Washington
asking if there was a possibility if they could tie in as a temporary into the town of city of Adelboroough. There's a poll sitting right there. >> I I don't think that's going to >> Okay. My question is how how soon are you do you think this is going to get done? >> Um I can't say exactly. Um,
so if it gets approved tonight, uh, I'll go back and and say it's approved, um, procedure usually to wait for the paperwork to get back from the town. I'm not sure how long that process takes. Um, we usually schedule at least two
weeks out. So it could be at least two to four weeks depending. I would I would air on the side of caution say four weeks at the least. Um there are some things that um preclude us could be could be weather
like that next week we got some bad weather coming up. So uh if we have stuff already in the pipeline to work on that stuff gets shifted out. So um we will try our best to work with the customer and the town and whoever else uh we need to to get them installed but uh I I can't speak for the uh overhead
group and and the scheduling when they can get it out there to put them in. Um >> well, unfortunately, we're the building's almost ready to be closed up. And you know, the town will obviously uh
enjoy the new tax revenue that's going to come from this business. And the sooner we can get it up and running, the more the faster we can get some tax revenue from it. I know it's going to be a major project because I went down, took a look at it myself. I drive by it every day, go to the grocery store. But
uh the point is that it's all it's all weathertight. The windows I think are going in now. So it's going to be a depment to them if they can't continue the project. And the sad thing is I understand where you're coming from when it comes to Taton because that's a
privately owned municipality, but there's a poll sitting right there and they're looking at it every day. So the sooner we can get this done is what I'm trying to say, the better. Uh I'm not sure who the uh we have a llayison on with all the towns. I'm not sure who the leison on is here. Um but
I'm sure if you reached out to them they they could help try and expedite it as best they can. Okay. >> Any other questions? >> I just have a quick question for you. This is just for my own edification. Could you tell me the difference between an SO poll and a J pole?
So stands for soulowned which would be National Grid and joint owned would be us and Verizon. So um in some cases if they don't need to be on the poll then we can petition for it or get easements for it under
just us. Um but if like in this case it's a main it's a main road and and they have reason to be on it, we'll petition for both of us. In the old days, we used to both come to meetings like a long time ago. Uh but we set all the polls now. So, it's just a matter of
we come to the to the hearings and um speak on their behalf if they're on and then we submit the paperwork to you know based on them as well. Then we each own 50% of that poll from that point on. So, we we charge them for the polls we set
and any anchors and things like that. So, >> and they do the same for you when they >> uh So, so the agreement is we set all the polls and they remove all the polls. So, if you have any issues with like double polls, it's usually because they haven't. >> How'd you know I was going there?
>> Every meeting goes there, which is why Verizon probably isn't hearing this. >> Mr. Chairman, >> well, we are speaking about double poles right here on the end of Pine Street. >> Oh, really? >> There's a double pole. It's not it's not the electric company's fault. It's the
other guys on that pole. And when you're pulling out, it's a blind spot. It's a major it's a bad intersection to begin with. So, if you could pass that on to your >> absolutely >> counterparts, that would be appreciated. >> Any other questions? >> No.
>> I'd entertain a motion to close the public hearing. >> I'll make a motion to close the public hearing. Second. >> Any further discussion? >> Nobody online, right? And there are participants but nobody is nobody's hands raised or anything. Okay.
>> Yep. >> All good. >> I seeing no discussion. All those in favor of closing public hearing. >> I entertain a motion. >> Chairman make a motion that we approve the installation of five poles 1565 to
1569. uh heading east off of a pole number 1564 for a commercial customer at 27 220 299 South Washington Street. >> Second >> motion and a second. Any discussion?
Seeing none, all in favor? >> I >> I I'd entertain a motion to open the 625 public hearing. >> So moved. >> Second. >> Motion and a second. All in favor? I >> I >> I
>> So this is a public hearing for Mr. Clerk. Petition of the Massachusetts Electric Company, DBA National Grid in Verizon, New England incorporated to local poles, wires, and fixtures, including the necessary substanding way to install two
JO poles on Dean Street and Cowway, beginning at a point approximately 12 ft of the center line of the intersection of Dean Street and Coway and continuing approximately 115 ft in a westerly direction. National Grid is proposing to
install 40 ft 40 foot class 2 P33-15 ft west of pole 3303 installing new class 40T class P uh 2P 3303-2. Mr. >> Chair, please uh point of order. Are we
reading the correct U public hearing announcement here? 625 we're discussing. Correct. >> I'm on the wrong one. As I was saying, public hearing and petition of Massachusetts Electric Company, DBA, Thank you, Kevin. National Grid and Verizon, New England to locate poles,
wires, and fixtures, including the necessary sustaining and protecting fixtures along and across the following public way, Dean Street and Kate's Way. install three JO blows on Dean Street and Kate's Way beginning at a point approximately 12 feet west of the center
line of the intersection of Dean Street and Kate's Way and continuing approximately 118 ft in a westerly direction. National Grid is proposing to install 40ft class 2 poles between P3304-50 and P3305
118 ft plus or minus south of pole 3304-50. Install a new 40ft class two pole 3304-61 100 ft south southwest south SWW of P3304-60
and install a new 40ft class 2 pole 3304-62 or 100 ft SWW of P330461 including anchor and guy. All right. >> Could read that three times and
>> who else who else knows what he said? >> Well, no idea. >> Any questions? >> Ju just general one again like what's the purpose of the new poles? >> Uh so I need to bring uh service to uh looks like a new building um that span
away from the main road. So uh in order to get there to bring the the two poles in um the the total distance looks like about 218 ft. So we we go around 150. So uh you need another pole in between to
carry that span. So okay, any other questions? >> That was it. Um so this is a a spur off of Dean Street. Does this go to some properties that are behind other properties? >> Um according to the sketch, it looks like
it's behind house 109. I'm not sure the exact distance from there. >> And are there any uh questions from the public on this? >> Come on up. >> No, not yet. Next one. >> Next one.
>> I I try, but you have to wait. >> Well, this close. >> It's a Dean Street one, but it's Dean Street. >> It's Dean Street, but it's about uh a couple hundred feet down the road. Correct. >> Oh, okay. Sorry. >> No, you're fine. Um, are there any other
questions? Anybody online? >> No. Oh, wait. Um, Mason Riley has raised their hand. Um, let me unmute. Um, um, Mason, are you there?
>> Feel like a radio show talk. We can't hear you if you're talking. >> Looks like Mr. Mason is in the butter at 105 Dean Street. Oh. Um, I believe you can unmute yourself, Mason.
Here you go. >> It looks like you're unmuted. >> If you like to to talk, >> can you hear me now? >> I can barely hear him. This is the part I cover. You just you
just went off. >> Go ahead. Try now. Mais [Music] I'm >> going to wait for your direction, Mr. Town Manager. >> So, let me ask one more question. >> Go ahead. While we're waiting,
>> so how many polls are you actually putting in here? I'm seeing this. >> Uh, actually, so there's there's three polls. There's one on the main road >> and there's an intermediate pole and then the end pole. >> Okay. Thank you.
And I I believe the the next public hearing is about right on Dane Street. It's a >> the same development but just a different access. >> Correct. >> Okay. >> We we can't get a hold of Mr. Riley.
>> Okay. Any other questions? I would entertain a motion to close the public hearing. So >> moved. >> Second. Sorry. >> Any discussion? >> So my only discussion point is that um I
just want to point out again that it's nobody's fault that's here and nobody's fault that's sitting up here. The IT in this town for the town hall needs a lot of work obviously and we
would love to have public hearings and have people able to call to be in u part of a meeting but it's uh in incredibly frustrating and difficult for us up here to try to balance that. We want the
public to be involved as much as we can and the limitations of our um it. So, um it's I I appreciate all the efforts that the town manager and Jen and that you have put in, but it's uh I can't tell
you how frustrating it is to me. So, um let's hope that in the future we're working towards uh getting uh some IT help in this building. Okay. >> And Mr. here. So, I noticed that Mason Riley has his phone muted. I don't know
if he's tried unmuting it, but also if there's a chat option. Okay, >> he's unmuted now. Mason, try try talking now so we can hear you. >> Q&A section is here. Go ahead. Say again. >> A voice from outside.
Um my question was will the installation of these poles cause a disruption of power for the residents along the road? >> No >> if if at all uh it'd be very short minimal but uh I don't believe it it'll be a problem for the customers there.
>> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. We have a motion and a second >> to close the public hearing. All those in favor? >> I I I would entertain a motion. [Applause] >> Chairman is to um make a motion to
install two poles on Dean Street and Cowway. >> Wrong one. >> I'm on that one again. >> You have to approve it first. >> We have to do this one. Yeah, we're doing it. >> Make a motion. I'm determined to do that one.
Dean Street and Kate Way. Install three Jes on Dean Street and Kateway beginning at point approximately 12 ft west of the center line of intersection Dean Street and Kateway and continuing approximately 118 ft in a westerly direction.
Second >> motion and a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? I >> I >> Okay, let's get through this next one. I'd entertain a motion to open the 6:30
public hearing. >> So move. >> Second. >> Motion and a second to open the public hearing. All those in favor? >> I. >> Could you uh Michael, could you explain the Oh, sorry. >> I'm finally going to read this.
>> I thought he read it three times already. >> Even though I read it three times. This is going to be the fourth time. This is the right time to do it. petition of Massachusetts Electric Company DBA National Grid and Verizon New England Incorporated to locate poles, wires, and fixtures, including
the necessary sustaining and protecting fixtures along and across the following public way, Dean Street and Cow's Way. Installed two JO poles on Dean Street and Cow's Way, beginning at a point approximately 12 ft at the center line of the intersection of Dean Street and
Cowway and continuing approximately 115 ft in a westerly direction. National Grid is proposing to install 40 foot class 2 P3303-1 115T west of pole 3303.
Install a new 40 foot class 2 pole 3303-2 [Music] 115 ft west of P3303-1 and install an anchor guide west of new P 3303-2 and connect customers on the
ground section service at P3303-2. [Music] Finally, thank you Mr. Cl. Any questions from the board? Seeing none. Any questions from the
audience? Come on up. You've been waiting all night. Come on up. >> Oh, you got to come up. >> No, I just have questions. >> No, you have to come up. >> That's all part of the deal. Yeah. >> Yeah. Go right over there. I just need
your name and your address. >> When enter the microphone so we have it on record, please. This is nothing about nothing against you. It's just so that we have everything on record because everything's recorded. >> Cindy Beck with 95 Dean Street. >> Hey Cindy,
>> I just could you just explain what where was it? >> And connect customers underground. >> Mhm. >> What what what are these U P330? >> It's a poll numbers. >> Oh, just poll those are poll numbers.
>> Okay. Yeah. >> So what is it? So, is is the road going to be dug up at at some >> Nope. So, this poll is going to exist on >> If you wouldn't mind speaking into the microphone so we could hear you. That's all. >> Actually, so um this last poll is on
town property and it I'm sure it butts the customer's property. So, they're going most some people go overhead with the the wire to the house for the service to their house. >> These people choosing to go underground. So, so their secondary service to feed their house is going to come underground
to the pole and run. >> Whose whose house? >> This the new lot. >> The new development, >> correct? >> So, these lines, there's not going to be any poles on this. >> Oh, so the pole, it's going to continue from an existing pole on the road into a
new pole to a new pole. It stops there and then there. Yep. And the service is going to go to the pole and up it. And then we'll connect them in >> to the other. Is the other section down at 109? Is that I I >> the last is that going to be underground
too, you know, down at 109. The the one we talked about. >> Yeah. Um >> is that also underground? >> It looks It looks like it is. Yes, that goes underground. >> Okay. >> Thank you. >> You're welcome.
>> Any other questions from the audience? Seeing none, I'd entertain a motion to close the public hearing. >> So move. >> Second. >> A motion and a second to close the 6:30 public hearing. Any further discussion?
>> Oh, you missed it by that much. [Music] >> I don't know. >> Are you is I'm just going to ask you that. We're just going to close this public hearing. Any questions you have, I'm sure he'll answer any questions you have outside the meeting. >> Another one. I don't know. >> I'm not sure it's going to change what's
going to happen. So, if you We've already We're in the middle of closing the public hearing. >> So, if you wouldn't mind just talk to him afterwards and he'll answer any questions you have. Okay. It's nothing that's going to change this year. So, we have a motion and a second. All those in favor? >> I
>> I >> Mr. Chair, I'm sorry, Mr. uh clerk. Mr. Chairman, make a motion that we approve the uh request from Dean Street and Cowway install two J poles on Dean Street and Cow's Way beginning at a
point approximately 12 ft west of the center line of the intersection of Dean Street and Cow's Way and continuing approximately 115 ft in a westway direction. >> Second motion in a second. Any further discussion? Seeing none, all those in favor? >> I >> I
>> I thank you. If you wouldn't mind just uh talking with them outside if you want. uh answer any questions that you have and if any of your questions aren't answered, please feel free to come back. Okay. >> Thank you very much. >> Thank you. >> Thanks.
>> Um so the um host community agreement between the town of Norton and Lucky Green Ladies. Um we already handled that and it's been approved. But um I just I see that you showed up and um if you have something
that you'd like to uh say, we'd love to hear you. Thank you. >> Good evening, uh, members of the board, new town manager. Um, so we the HCA that was approved was the one that was for my
delivery operator license. I think I was just waiting on signatures, right? >> Yeah. >> Okay, great. So, um I approached um some board members as well as the new town manager um in regards to getting a new HCA because um I'm currently building
out my dispensary right now at 408 Old Colony Road and um I want to colllocate my delivery business um with the dispensary. It just makes more sense for me um financially. Um I have the space
for it. Uh the only complication there is that it's a different license that I have now. The license that I have now, I'm able to like warehouse product under the delivery business. So I'm basically a dispensary now, like without the
storefront. Um but this new license that I need in order to achieve what I'm trying to do is um I'm like a service for other dispensaries. A lot of people don't really do it cuz it's not profitable unless you are the
dispensary as well, right? Cuz um delivery companies in Massachusetts aren't charging delivery fees. Um so it makes sense for me though in my particular situation because I am the dispens I'm going to have a dispensary
as well. So um I just have tight deadlines on that. Um I have to leave where I'm at by a certain time. Um, so I didn't know um what we could do to get to the finish line as soon as possible.
Um, and kind of what the process was cuz I think that when I was I got my retail HCA that uh the select board voted that the um cannabis uh application process and HCA process was going to change and
no one has come before the board since. So, I just wanted to know what you need from me, what I can do so that uh together we can get to the finish line as quick as possible. >> Thank you, Alyssa. Um, so what we did
tonight was that we approved your the license that you currently have for another year. So, if you're going to need to change your license to uh have um change your operation and your location, I would suggest that you get
in touch with Jen and uh we will get it through as quickly, whatever uh expedited process we can do to help you out. Um I don't know what your timeline is, but we will do it as as quickly as we can obviously because we're want you to be successful in your business.
>> I appreciate it. >> Okay. So, Jen, I'll just reach out. >> Okay, great. >> Okay. But thank you and we're happy to have you in town and we've approved your license renewal for another year. So, >> awesome. >> The one that you have. Okay. >> Um, if I need an extension, I'm sure
there's terms for that in the >> I'm sure that we can work out whatever terms need to be worked out if we need to. >> Awesome. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. >> Thank you. >> Thank you. >> Okay. update from the traffic safety committee regarding projects currently
working on. >> Mr. Chairman, I thought I'd um I'm chair of the traffic safety committee. Uh we met yesterday, but I I wanted to bring everyone up to date on a few things we're working on just so people I know I see some stuff online, North and South Worster Street. Um people looking for
speed signs and stop signs and and all that kind of stuff. So, I thought I would bring you up the street on some of the projects we're working on right now. And some of this involves participation of the select board also to get these things finalized. Regarding the North
Newton Mansfield Rail Trail Extension, um we really haven't been involved in that until recently, but uh it appears that the um project is almost complete. The ribbon cutting was supposed to be done, I believe, in a couple weeks, and I think
they're going to push it off now to the spring of 2026. The reason for that is there's been some questions raised by the highway department and the conservation agent that need to be addressed before we we shake hands and take the final project
over. So, it appears that um Mass Dot is deciding has decided to probably wait a few more months before they officially turn over the project to us. Regarding the 123 North and South WA Street intersection improvements, the
new traffic signal and geometric improvements to be constructed by Mass D. Estimated cost is about 3.5 million. Current advertising date is November of 2026. Now this can move up if some other
projects falls falls out of the u out of the cycle but as of right now the north southwester main old colony road project is uh slated to be advertised which means it's going to be going out to bid on November
in November of 2026. Mass D is currently working on the right of way acquisitions necessary and the remaining work for better which is an engineering company includes bid phase assistance to mass D and limited wall
and construction services. The route 140 123 downtown intersection uh better engineering has submitted a technical memo in March of 2025 to the traffic safety committee that included concepts in the traffic analysis of three alternatives for the town center.
The intent is to advance this as a tip project with the next step being a public information meeting present the results of the study but they can then assist with the project initiation of mass DT. So, uh this is the center town route
14123 intersection. Um everyone knows it's been uh an issue for years. Uh they've they've proposed three alternatives. The next step in the project is this board needs to hold a public hearing
informationational meeting in order to get the input from the from the uh town from people in the in the town and find out how we want to proceed in which concept may may make sense. This is going to be a long process. It's going to take about 5 years. Uh but we need to
get moving on it. I've asked the town manager to consider pulling something together in November, maybe early December so we can get this project moving and uh keep keep it going. >> Uh quick question, Bob. >> Yeah, >> I'm assuming we're going to choose the
design before we start doing all the engineering. >> So what we're going to do there's a suggestion from better was be have the public information meeting, get some input from the public and at some point this board has to take a has has to take a position on it also. Mhm.
>> And then once we once we've decided once we've voted and decided on which design, then it goes to the engineering study. >> Yeah. >> To finalize the cost. >> We won't do anything until we decide which of the three options we wanted to uh >> Okay. >> to explore >> unless something changed drastically, I think.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> I think I already know which one I'm going with. And Bob, while you were on that uh topic, um I think we had requested last time we talked about it to um you have the three alternatives, but when you put it out to the public for a discussion and vote um to include
a fourth, do nothing. Um I know there was an informal survey on Facebook, somebody had posted it and do nothing was the overwhelming preference. I think it dropped it was about half the people wanted to do nothing. Then it dropped down to 25% wanted I think the directly
behind the church and then like 12% was the third and then there was like 5% but the do nothing was the overwhelming favorite out of a couple hundred folks. Okay. >> So I just want to make sure we don't forget to make that an option. >> Yeah. >> Regardless of what we decide. I just make sure the public has that as an option.
>> Yeah. I'd be cautious about using too much about media. >> Yeah. But it was it was a good number of people that weighed in on it. So >> I would also uh s suggests that the concept of going through the town common which most
people I've I've talked to are not in favor of if we were to go through the town common that's that's on a national registar that's going to take um litigation and it's going to take um participation from senators and and and
representatives and everyone else in order to do that and that'll push that project out for god knows how many more Why? Why would that take litigation? >> I'm sorry. >> Why would you said litigation? Why would that take litigation? >> It would take litigation because of the
um the uh >> who would be the plaintiff. >> It could be anyone. It could be in the butter. >> Okay. >> Taking we're taking >> You're just thinking someone might want to litigate. >> Yeah, it may. It may. It may on any of them actually. Yeah.
>> So, for the most part. So anyway, that's the uh the town the town center. We had a conversation about the um possibility of putting uh sidewalk on Pine Street to Blaine Street to the LG school, LG
school, and perhaps just a little bit further up and connecting to the bike path. Uh better gave us some information on it. There's a number of different programs we can look into. Uh the recommendation at this point is to
build it in sections because of the cost of the project. Um the complete streets construction funding application which is one option is a $500,000 funding project
but it would probably cost us an additional $200 to $300,000 in order to construct a project. Um any of the projects going to cost money. Plain Street because there's a covert would cost would exceed $1 million.
Um safe roots the school project is another funding source that we looked into and u the intersection of plane and plane has been identified as a high crash location by SERID and would be eligible for the safe streets for all
funding in that area. So it's just a bunch of stuff. We're just starting a project. Um, unfortunately, this project, if we do go forward with it, is going to take again at least 5 years. And it's very possible that the town's going to have to come up with a few
hundred,000 to to make it happen. So, we're going to take another look at and continue to to investigate that. >> Mr. Kimble. >> Yeah. >> Um, if you could reference back, I was on the uh planning board. We went through the master plan as well as which involved the complete streets. Yeah. Um
it's in the master plan as well. The results from the public participation on um where they felt um sidewalks were needed and I I know that Reservoir Street was also a high area focus. It's very dense. There are no sidewalks.
Um so if you if your committee can go back to that master plan, maybe talk to the town planner and make sure they don't overlook anything from that. Yeah, that one that that one uh plain street and plain street was one of the priorities on that plan according to uh Beta.
>> So Bob, you said Pine Street would would possibly require upwards of a million dollars, but the $200,000 would be for all of Plane, that section of plane. >> No, it would be $500,000. It would be a $500,000 uh grant and we need approximately $200
to $300,000 additional dollars to construct the project >> for plane. Just for pine. Just for plane street. >> Just for plane. Okay. >> From the bike path down to the corner of pain and plane and pine. >> Okay. >> A lot of money. So again, we're going to
have to take another look at it. Recently I I gave a board a copy of the sur recommendation on speed limits from the town common to route 495. Uh that we need to address sooner than later. or so we have to there's certain applications we have to apply to mass DOT in order to
get the approval for the speeds in that area. This board has to take a position on what we want to do first and then make recommendations to Mass Highway to see if we can get the U speeds as consistent as we can in this stretch
of road because we have three or four different speeds in this area. In addition to that, in in recent times, we now have a brand new town hall. You know, we have police, we have fire department. So, it's uh there's a lot more um open traffic to this area and
the speeds continue to be a problem in front of Weeden College and we'd like to try to address that with a possibility maybe dropping the speeds like 25 miles per hour. The little street truck exclusion, uh
this board took a position on it. I believe last year um went to Mass DOT and it fell into a hole. So I would ask Mr. Town Manager if maybe you could follow up on that and find out what happened to that. That was approved by u the traffic committee, the select board
and u forwarded to Mass DOT and haven't heard anything back. >> Is that the light you talked about? >> No, that's Wood Street is the truck extension. Yeah. >> Um, for years it had an exclusion on it opposed to sign. It wasn't legal. >> Gotcha.
>> So, we had a we had a traffic safety traffic study done by Serped who indicated that more than 5% of the traffic in that area is truck traffic. It's not the road is not um designed to handle that kind of traffic. So, the
state needs to give us an agreement that we can post it as a exclusion exclusion for trucks on that on that street. so that it can be enforced by the police department. Right now, even though it has a sign, it can't be enforced. >> Okay.
>> We've done other things. We looked at speed limits and stop signs on Shelley Road, Golf Street, Allen Road, Guy. Uh we've been looking at a bunch of different things that people have uh been brought up. The one thing we have found is on some of these subdivisions in town, you'll have a a main road going
into it, and they'll have a stop sign at the end of it. But some of the artillery roads that go off on the sides aren't required to have stop signs, >> you know, and that's where some of the requests seem to be coming from these days. So, we're continuing to look at all those different options. We've made
a couple of suggestions and we have the police department working with us to check those. There's one RRFB rectangular rapid flashing beacon pedestrian crosswalk sign like the one you see in front of Ween College that is going to be installed in front of the library. We
got a grant to do that and it's going to be in uh delivered almost any day and the highway department is going to um install that for us. That'll be right out here at the crosswalk in front of the library. And I think that's all there's other
things going on, but I think that's the that's the more important issues. Mr. Mar, you're on the committee. Do you have anything you want to add to that? >> I think you covered it pretty well there, Mr. Kimell. Thank you. >> Okay. Thank you. That's all. The committee is doing a lot of work.
>> We got some things done, too. >> Yeah, absolutely. One question for the town manager. I is too bad that the rail trail is not going to be turned over until the spring um with the final walkthrough and approval, but we we can't go that long without uh some plan
for the uh trash receptacles to be emptied. I I know it's not our responsibility yet, but we can't really skirt that. It's our town. It's our trash. It's And I don't know what the solution is.
Um >> we've been waiting a long time with tape over it and people have been pulling back and not using them as much and I think some people have been emptying it on their own neighbors. But the winter gets messy anyway and
people are going to be using it a lot still. They're using it a lot now. So it it will probably be pushed to the spring um as Mr. Kimble stated um due to concerns.
I mean people are still using it and it is messy. Um we haven't landed on a solution yet. We had discussed potentially removing the barrels and having it being
like a federal park where it's bring in, bring out. Um, that's fine. Whatever it takes. Um, it's it's an eyesore and it's a probably a health concern as well, especially >> with rodents in the winter time and everything. So, I
>> was going to say it could become a health concern with rodents trying to get into it. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, whatever the solution is, but we we can't can't have the full trash bags sitting out there spilling over all winter long. You know, I don't know what whatever you
choose, whatever you decide to do. If you want to remove them, that's fine. You know, the the rail trail is not it's not unsafe now. It's functional. There used to be reasons why people couldn't use it. There are no reasons except for whatever the the conservation commission
was concerned about. So, there's really no no valid reason why people can't use it uh today. Um except for that it's not officially turned over to the town, but we should try to do something about the trash whether if you want to remove the receptacles that I'm fine with that
chair and I would agree. I the only additional we talked about this on the traffic committee too. Um, as Tom may just said indicated, the most state parks, federal parks, you go in, you bring your trash in, you bring your trash, you bring well, you bring your
stuff in, your trash out. And if we can legally, because we don't have control of that bike path yet, if we can legally remove those barrels, even just for the winter, just to get them out of there for the winter months, store them somewhere safe, and I guess we probably
have to have permission from Mass D to do that >> or forgiveness >> or ask. Yeah, that that works too. But I I I agree with uh with Kevin. I think we need to get those things um out of there if nothing else, just for the winter months.
we can decide what to do in the spring. >> Mr. Chair, >> just one more. >> Thank you. Uh, one more comment on the rail trail. I was just notified actually by uh the friends of the rail trail that they're having an event on October 25th,
10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. And it will include uh fall activities, apple cider, and it will be all along the rail trail. Um, so to Mr. O'Neal's point, uh people are indeed using the trail now. Yeah,
>> bring a trash bag. >> Bring a trash bag. Agreed. And and also during our our um April town cleanup day, we will we should add that trail onto the list of >> places. >> I did up and down Plain Street. I spent six hours on it cuz I don't think it had
been done in years. But I think maybe I think it's um Melissa who uh dispatches folks based on where they live. But that's going to be that's going to be added to it, right? The rail trail, I assume. Not that we want to clean up complete trash bags worth of trash. This is
incidental stuff that happens to end up blows off of a trash pickup truck or whatever and ends up on the side of the road. Um but not not a solution to what we're talking about here. So if if you can find a way to remove those barrels um for the winter, I don't know
how the rest of the board feels about that, but I'm fine with it. >> I agree. >> I agree. I I wouldn't have a problem removing them permanently and just uh if you bring it in, you take it out. There's no harm in you. If you can carry it in, you can carry it out.
>> Okay, Mr. Chair, just one more thing, Mr. Town Manager. Someone has gone in there and cleaned some cleaned up the bike trail. They've gone along the side of it. I noticed the bags yesterday and they've come up by the street and they dropped the bags by
the street beyond the trash cans. So, someone took the initiative to take a walk walk up and down and pick up the trash but left it there for someone else to take away. So, I don't know if we could ask the highway guys to maybe just >> Which uh which location? >> That one that one's on Plain Street.
>> Plain Street. >> Yeah, there's a couple bags sitting out there. >> We will see what they can do, >> I think. Okay, town manager report. >> Um, we got your um, thank you. Um,
update >> three. >> Thank you for giving that. >> Do we have any warrant articles? >> I'm going to go that I'm going to take care of that as soon as I get to the select boards report. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Um, so if I may just just briefly summar summarize, I believe Mr. Kimble covered most of my points. Per usual,
all all warrant articles have been reviewed and are uh by legal are consistent with the charter and defensible and clear and it looks to be a a great fall meeting is teed up. Uh
DPW is continuing their end of season road work uh drainage unbarrows court. Uh we are coordinating with other nearby municipalities trying to enter into a water purchase agreement uh to provide
clean water at a reasonable price. Uh the fire department roof is going to be constructed um imminent imminently. They'll be blocking off a section of the front parking lot, maybe four to six parking spaces. Um, will they perform
that work before the weather turns? Oh, we we posted a public works director. So, a DPW director is posted live on the website. Very excited about getting that and the coordination that comes from there will affect a lot of
projects. Maybe even the the sanitation trash pickup as we just discussed. >> Great news. >> Um >> for your chair. >> Yes. >> Uh I guess I'm a little confused. How do we post a DPW public works director? I
don't think we funded that. >> So the funding was creatively arranged to not add to what was appropriated. So it will be coming 85% from enterprise serving the water and sewer departments
for unfunded positions or for unfilled but funded positions in that department. So money that was already set aside for salaries there and also 15% of the highway departments in the same category. So salaries has been funded
and is sufficient for this position >> and sustainable. >> This position will create a a lot more efficiencies. So it will be more than sustainable. It will be exponentially valuable. And one of the things I know
that we when we discussed DW director in the past, we were specifically looking for an engineer that would help defay some of the costs that we have for sending plans out for engineering. Is that part of the requirements of the job posting? >> An engineer is a preferred uh
characteristic. That's that's the brain of the outfit. Um, also highly desirable are water certifications, highway knowledge, and previous experience as a DPWW director. Uh, because this will be our first DPW director, someone that's used to
coordinating storm water between, say, highway and and sewer and and culverts and mowing and plowing and utilizing resources to the maximum capability. We've we've already saved $80,000. the
the school department said we don't need a tractor if there's another town department with a tractor. Um so they rescended that request given that we're going forward with the DPW director. So it's already you know sharing equipment
and directing personnel most efficiently. >> Okay. Thanks >> Mr. Chairman. What it does do is it allows one person to be in charge of all these different agencies that right now they work together but they don't work
together and having someone at the head that can say to highway department needs to borrow this piece of equipment it'll be a lot easier than what it is now. Not to say they're not doing it but you know and as far as equipment goes you know maybe we don't have to have as much of it as we have now.
>> Yeah I'm I'm aware of what the intention is be behind the DVW director. It was actually one initiative that came out of the charter commission years ago. Um but the the thought process in initiating that was that they would be able to find efficiencies
and um perhaps you know share resources across different departments and all that sort of stuff. What last time it had been talked about publicly in these meetings there was a sentiment that there was no efficiencies to be found. So, I wasn't
in favor of creating a position if we're just creating an additional administrative head with no efficiencies to be found. The point was was to try to find to build efficiencies and just and whatever spend we had is just being now spent differently with the department
head that can mitigate some of that stuff. >> Anything else, Mr. Town Manager? Um, no, just just to echo the the engineering is a priority and targeting these projects, particularly the projects Mr. Kimell had
mentioned with the the TIP projects, the 123 and W Northwester 123 140. These are fully funded by the state. We we have to pay the engineering funds and a DPW director will holistically look at the the water and the sewer lines and the
paving in that order. So, so we can efficiently maintain and and more forwardly look towards uh CIP planning and it it's just going to be a great benefit for everyone. >> Yeah, I guess I I would just um you know
kind of repeat that I I would rather wait longer and repost if we don't find the right candidate than to just find a candidate that doesn't really fill the buckets of what we need. >> Agree completely. >> Yeah. And just a reminder, we we make the final appointment. >> Yeah.
>> And one other thing, M you, Mr. Chair, is um um when you have somebody in a leadership role like that who's overseeing uh different functions who has a little bit of time to to spend on the sidelines, they can do other things like write file for grants, grant
writing. So, make sure that that's a a requirement, grant writing experience. I mean, that's I don't think we I I don't know this for a fact, but my sense is we probably missed a couple opportunities along the way over the past uh several years. So, that that's a key.
>> Great point. >> Thank you. Yes. Thank you. Uh select boards report and mail. So, I just wanted to go over and just u let everybody know about the uh town meeting warrant. Um all of the articles that are
posted on the warrant um have been talked about, discussed, and voted on by the uh fincom board of selectmen and the planning board. And um the warrant is ready to go to town meeting. Um I don't know if there's any
uh question about that. Okay. the uh invoices and the warrants are have been signed by Mr. Riches from what I understand. Um next meeting uh will be October 23rd
unless uh something comes up between now and then. That'll be after town meeting. Um and uh we hope to see everybody at town meeting on October 20th. So we're going to be going into executive
session now. So I declare under general laws chapter 30 section 21 A3 that the purpose of the executive session will be to discuss strategy with respect to pending pending litigation matters because a discussion of the matters in
open session may have a detrimental effect on the litigating position of the town and with the board not to return to open session at the conclusion of executive session. Mr. Chairman, I move that the board go into executive session under general law chapters 30A section
21A-3 for the purposes and reasons declared by the chair and with the board to not return to open session thereafter. >> Second. >> We have a motion and a second. Any discussion? Seeing none, we'll do a roll call. Mr. O'Neal?
>> Yes. >> Miss Luciano? >> Yes. >> Mr. Kimble? >> Yes. >> And I am a yes.