All right. Going to call the meeting to order. Thursday, May 8th. Uh with us tonight is Kevin O'Neal, Bob Kimble, Roger Mand, and myself. Uh let's start with the pledge of
allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, real quick. I do want
to say a word about um uh someone that just recently passed uh that some of you may know. Uh Ed Popppin uh passed away suddenly the other day uh unexpected. He was a huge
um impact on Norton sports from um elementary school all the way up baseball, basketball, football. Uh he was truly one of a kind. He was a hog-nosed coach. He had the wins to prove it.
Um he molded all the kids, including my sons, uh that he coached. turn them turn those kids into men. And um he's going to be surely missed. So I'd like to have a moment of
silence for him, please. Thank you. Okay. First up, appointment 2025 20226 circuit commission member. Mr. Unitz, we have something to that effect. Alec,
yes, I'd like to throw my name in as well as a possibility. Okay, Mr. Chairman's question also. Yes. Have these positions been advertised? I mean are people aware that it is between the serpent? Um I mean these these are
both very important um committees and boards for the town. One is especially important the joint transportation that has to do with um funding the roads and all that kind of stuff. So um I think the need stepping forward is a great opportunity for us to keep our head in
the ring. Are there anyone else has anyone else uh indicated that they're interested at all or have we advertising positions to other people or whatever? Not that there's going to be they're going to be breaking down the doors. I don't believe in perhaps they have, but is it worth that time for just put the word out for
a couple weeks? Um we have not advertised the positions. We could do that and put this on your next agenda. Um we we have one person, Mr. Stephanelli that expressed an interest in the serpent commission
member position. If you want, we could post them on our website and continue to the next meeting. See if we have any other. Is that what the board would like to do? Why don't we do that, Mike? Please. Sorry. Did you put both on? Sorry. Would
you put both on? Both. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So that next the appointment of 2025 to 2026 joint oh wait appointment of Barbara Oian as a permanent member of the council on aging
she can you speak to that? Um yeah, so there is a an opening on uh on the COA and um Barbara um request uh the appointment. Uh she's an alternate right now and would like to be
a full-time member. Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. I make a motion that we appoint Barbara O'Hanian to the council. Second. All in favor? I thank you, Barbara. Unanimous. wherever you are.
Okay. Um I want to skip over the next one. I'd like to, but we can't. Um it's the resignation of John Harold as the assistant water sewer superintendent. So, um yeah, John is uh
has an opportunity for a new position that will be uh very beneficial for him. And uh John's done a great job here. and uh it's been great to have him as a colleague and more importantly I think as a good friend and going to miss uh
John coming in the town hall every day. Anybody have anything to say? Mr. J. Yes, sir. Uh John, I would just like to uh wish you good luck in your uh future endeavors. Uh we are really going to be missed here in town and uh I want to
thank you for everything that you've done for the town. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, John. I would add to that, John, that uh I didn't get a chance to work with the past three years, but I saw you a lot. We had a lot of conversations, and I really appreciate your uh dedication to
the town and what you've accomplished in the town. We appreciate that also. And uh remember, the doors still open on the other way around, so things will work out. Feel free to come knock. Thank you. And thank you again. So, John, same as everybody else. I It's going to be sad
to see you go, but we fully understand. Thank you very much for everything. Wish you the best. Yeah. Thank you. Through you, Jack. Yes, sir. Sorry. Quick question on the circuit. I just noticed at the bottom of the form that we're supposed to send response back to them by May 15th. Is there flexibility?
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Next item. discussion on increasing the member count from 10 to 11 members on the Norton Traffic Study Committee with an appointment of Keith Sil to the Norton Traffic Study Committee. Mr. Chair, can I bring up a couple of things? We we were doing some
research this week trying to figure out what was going on with this committee. Um I chair the position I'm chair of the position right now. First of all, in the mission town report was referred to as a non traffic study committee. Uh we've been referring to oursel as a safety
committee for a while. So I would like to make a motion to uh change that name to Norton Traffic Safety Committee if we could. Danny is changing the name. I agree with that. That's what I always call it. Mr.
Chair. Yes, sir. I make a motion that we change the name of the N traffic study committee to not traffic safety committee. Second. All in favor? I unanimous. Okay. The other part of it was we found out that there's supposed to be a
representative from the um they call themselves alternate alternate transportation committee. So for two years we've been serving we have not advised them that they're supposed to be part of this committee. So, we want to make sure if you with your
permission, I'll reach out to the ultimate and ask them to uh appoint someone to to serve on that committee. We have uh and we have two applicants. So, we're going to increase it
from 10 to to 12 10 to 11 rather. Um, Keith Silver has been coming to almost every committee meeting since he stepped down as a DPW director. Uh, Keith has a vast amount of knowledge
about what goes on and down streets. He's got the history and I would really encourage the uh board to to put him on the committee. Um, Steve Hornsby has been involved also. uh he was the representative to
the select board at one point and has asked that he could be if he could be put back on also. So um those are two people under consideration that would ask you to consider both of them. Bob, how many seats are currently filled
if you filled the one that's missing for the joint transportation committee? So there are eight of us now. Nine would be the alternate transportation. That would be nine. Okay. And this will make it 11. Okay. So, I would make a motion to increase
the Gordon Traffic Safety Committee from nine appointed positions to 11 appointed permanent positions. I'll second. All in favor? I unanimous. Thank you.
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, I make a motion that we appoint Stephen Hornsby to the M traffic safety committee as a permanent member. Second. All in favor? I I Mr. Chairman, I make appointment make a
motion that we appoint Keith Silva to the Northern Crafty Traffic Safety Committee as a permanent second. All in favor? I think for the minutes everybody have a chance to look
at the minutes, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. I make a motion that we accept the uh minutes of the executive session of October 10th, 2024. I have a second question, sir. Sure. Is is there
one for April 17th as well? Those are in here as well, but I'm just doing the executive. Oh, October. Gotcha. Sorry. Second. All in favor? I present abstain. Opposed to
one present, one abstained. And yes, yes, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. I make a motion that we accept the minutes of the April 10th, 2025 meeting.
Second. All in favor? I opposed. Do you abstensions, Mr. J. Yes, sir. I make a motion that we accept the minutes of April 17, 2025. Second. All in favor? I I I
abstensions to extensions. Okay. Next, we have licenses and permits. You want to take that away, Mr. Vice Chair? Mr. Chair. Yes, sir.
Um these are all of the uh same uh licenses that we have approved uh the last several years for week college graduation. Uh these are all uh on week property. Um I would like to make a motion that we approve the one day beer
and wine license to Mark Hasselbath on behalf of weak college as written in the agenda. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor of a liquor
license. Anything to do with a liquor license, you have to do a hand pull. Anytime you do anything involving a liquor license to stay on the natural, you have to take each one individually and then ask each one of us nay or nay
or nay. That was in favor of uh it's been a long roll call. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So, we have a motion and a second. I think we have to take each one. Uh if if you want, I'll vote to approve the
one day beer and liquor license for Mark Hasselbeck on behalf of Wheaten College for the Watson Courtyard at Weaten College before 7:00 p.m. on Friday, May 16, 2025. Mr. Town Manager. Yeah. Uh we had uh
council here previously um on another issue and they they said you could read it as listed um all of them rather than do them one each individually. So it's up to the Okay.
So we we still have a standing motion and second for all of them together. Okay. Okay. Kevin, yes. Denise, yes. Yes. Brother, yes. And I am a yes. Thank you.
Announcements, Mr. Chairman. Yes, sir. License. We want to remind everyone that townwide rec Park and Recreation is having their townwide sale this Saturday. Hopefully the weather will cooperate. May 10th, 2025 from 8:00 a.m.
to 3 pm. Uh maps will be available from the Northern Park and Rec website for download starting on May 5th. And um we're asking that please be respectful of parking at sales. This is rain or shine. Um at homeowners discretion as to
severity of the weather. They're asking for no early birds. Junior golf lessons are being uh offered through park and recreation uh Thursday May 1st to 20 22nd the main
dated May 29th Thursday June 5th and 26 with rain dated July 10th the be beginning to intermediate players ages 8 to 12 they learn basic leg stance grip and swing positions equipment provided
and muscle is led by Norton CC golf course. Anyone has any questions, they can they can send it to lessons at Ever Park. Um $180 for Norton residents and $190 for non-residents. Founders Day will be held
on Saturday, June 28, 2025. Um a call for all vendors you're interested to uh in participating. Uh the event will be from 3:00 to 9:00 p.m. and then the fireworks will begin after that behind the old school. Uh for more information, you can
reach out to Founders Day at nortonmassus.com or 5082850228. And it's also going to be part of the Norton Veterans 3rd annual carnival. Carnival will be
held June 26 to 29th, Thursday through Friday, 5:00 p. p.m. to 10 p.m. Saturday will be from 12:00 p.m. till after the fireworks and on Sunday will be 12:00 to 6:00 p.m. Fun for all ages. And again, that's in conjunction with the um park
and recreation. There'll also be a car show on Sunday the 29th from 10:00 a.m. to 2 p.m. in front of the old school. And I think that's all I have. I think so. Thank you, sir. On new business, we have vote to declare the
police department's 2018 Dodge Charger um and 2018 Dodge Charger two or one. Looks like that's twice. the 2018 Dodge Charger on a 2014 police board. Yeah. As surplus, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. I
make a motion that we declare the police department's two 2018 Dodge Charger and the 2014 Ford Explorer with the listed VINs um on the agenda as surplus.
All hi. Hi. Hi. Thank you. Okay. Discussion on advertisement to hire an interim town manager. Mr. Yes. Is it in here?
So, we just pulled a basic um advertisement for an interim town manager for us to talk about and consider um if this meets our needs and I'll I'll read it. Uh the town town of Dan is seeking to immediately hire qualified professional to serve as
control town manager until a permanent town manager is chosen by the select board responsible for day-to-day operations of town government administration and town policies and procedures set by the select board. Assists town officials with legal issues. Attends town meeting and all select board meetings. Uh grant
administration contract administration preparation of annual and special town meeting warrants motions. uh budget preparation for accounts under the select board's authority and administration of property and liability insurance policies uh for full description referencing uh the northern
home rule charter section 4.4 four or 4-4, sorry, also serves as chief procurement officer and personnel director. Applicants should have a master's degree in public administration, public affairs, and public policy, and two years experience in an appointed managerial or
administrative position in a local government with bachelor's degree and 5 years experience. Uh the interim salary is to be determined. Positions available immediately expected to last three or could last up to six months while a permanent hire is sought. The interim
may apply for the permanent position. Interested applicants should submit a letter of interest and resume to the select board office select board at normass normus.com. Position is open until filled. For further information, uh
please contact and Jenna used your number. Uh Norton is equal opportunity affirmative action employer. We do not discriminate based on race, color, religion, sex, marital status, national origin, age, disability, sexual orientation or any other protected
class. Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. Um I have uh reached out to council for some guidance as far as um the uh interim salary. Um I hadn't heard haven't heard back yet. I sent another email today requesting
information and guidance. Okay, Denise, I mean that's it's pretty generic description. Um, pretty straightforward. It's just a interim position. Okay. Yep. Looks good. Thank you.
All right. Other business topics not recently anticipated those in advance. Like apologies, Alex. One last question. I think we need to discuss where we're going to post this. Um um I think we need to wait
until I get a salary range done from uh council. Okay. Okay. Old business review, discuss and a vote on annual and special town meeting. Um first on the special town meeting um
previously had voted um on this article. This is article three uh for operating budget supplements for FY25. Um since you voted uh we found
that uh there's $3,812 needed for a short-term loan for the window project in the schools. So, I ask that you reconsider your vote and the change would be uh where it's
previously was free cash supplement of 105,123, it would be $18,935. Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. I make a motion that we reconsider our vote on article three of the special town meeting. Second. All in favor? I I
Mr. Chair, you I make a motion that we recommend spending u moving $105,123 uh from free cash this month. I'm sorry. Uh I'm sorry.
$108,935 from free cash. Second. Second. All in favor? I I thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. Um Mike, do we have to take any action on article two? On article two,
um if Yeah, if you could. Uh the finance committee is recommending that no action on article two. Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. I make a motion that we take no action on article two of the special town meeting. Second. All in favor? I
I thank you. Um the other only other article uh on the annual is the budget and I'll just go over with you um where it is with the finance committee's recommendation.
So if you look on uh the revenue and expenditure sheet, you can see um on fund transfers some of the changes. Um so now we're looking to use the
$1,847,719 of free cash. Um and the finance committee is recommending 500,000 from stabilization. The Hicks fund um increased from 200 to $280,000. The ambulance receipts from 1
million to 1,228,000. Those are the changes uh since you last uh spoke. And down the bottom, uh, the finance committee's recommendation is for a general
government budget of $17,82,33 and a school uh department budget of um 37,1669. And just to give you a better easier understanding th those are where uh just
to show you again the uh funds the hicks fund 280,000 stabilization 500,000 ambulance receipts 1,228 septic betterments 35,000 the dog fund 20,000
uh debt exclusion premium 9,586 and wetlands protection 5,000 and free cash1,847,719. And below that are the indirects from the water and sewer department. So you can see uh we have
available to raise an appropriate 73,531,78. and then the indirects of 763 329. So my quick question, the ambulance receipts uh it was pretty steadfast um that deputy chief um the last we met
was didn't want to dip into those ambulance receipts anymore than we had through capital. What uh what's that 228,000 extra? Uh that 228,000 is to fund the fire department budget. So rather than have them come back in
October, the finance committee um felt that they could use more money from ambulance receipts and fund their budget now so they don't have to come back in October. And that was the same logic uh the finance committee used with the
stabilization fund was uh to use $500,000 from the stabilization to the school department so the school department um wouldn't have to come back in October. Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. Um
um Mike, so as of right now, there's uh no departments that aren't funded as much as they want and nobody's really looking to uh supplement their budgets in the fall. Um well, I would say that
your bigger departments um were taken care of. um the school department, the fire department, the highway department got um that position added because of the extra hick fund money. Police to a lesser extent, but they did get more
money. Um not what they were looking for. They may need to come back. I don't know if they need to come back in October. They may be able to wait till May. Um and then in um the the COA uh
received an extra position. Um so some of the uh areas in that you'll have to keep an eye on I think for um in the fall um the reserve fund was
reduced um from its usual 150 to 100,000. That may need some some work in the fall. um legal services was reduced from uh to
80,000 and we're in FY24 we spent 96,000 uh the year before that 93,000. So that may need some more money in the fall. Um we reduced our data processing uh budget
and uh that's something that may have to be looked at. And as I said, police department uh police department was funded at $4,572,818 and uh they were looking for 4,679889. So instead of the 4,426264
um in salaries uh they received 4 million 329118. To to your point, Roger, I think what I heard at the VINCOM meeting was the hope or expectation was that there would be little to no um asks in the fall and
that any money go into the stabilization if there wasn't to backfill where we took it out of stabilization and Right. Right. So like I said the departments in here to a lesser extent may need some small
amounts but the bigger departments are uh pretty well taken care of. Yeah I don't if you through your chair sorry I'd also add that I after watching the fincom meetings there was some good robust conversation. This is a painful
exercise every year. Um and they had some real good conversation. So, I encourage everyone in the town before they go to town meeting to kind of watch those conversations and watch the meeting and kind of watch the process of what they've gone through to come to this budget and understand where we're
at. Um cuz I think um it was helpful, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. I make a motion that uh we recommend article 8 on the town. Second. All in favor?
I thank you. Anything else at point? Um, sure. [Applause] Oh. Um, so I just wanted to let you know, um, we met with our Robinson
communities this past week. Um, they're they're looking to develop the DEG Grand Randle site. Um, so they're starting their investigation of the process right now. They met with department heads on that. Um they're looking to do their
permitting in 2025 and financing in uh 2026 with construction starting in 2027 and the project would be complete in 2029. And what they're looking to do
on the site is um they're looking to have a a main building that would be um independent um living and memory care and uh would have also have a community center and that
would be 86 um apartment units. And they're also looking at um doing some cottages, independent living cottages on the site. And they'd have 106 um cottages on the
site for seniors. So um you know, you'd live independently in the cottages and then move into the assisted living at some point and then unfortunately out of the memory care at some point. But um it's an interesting project and they're
looking um they have uh some conservation they're going to put a conservation restriction on land that's not developed about 2/3 of the land and the land preservation society has agreed to be the holder of that
restriction. So it's right on both sides of um Redm Mill Road. So, it's an interesting development that they'll be bringing forwards. Mr. Yeah. Uh, just a quick question, Mike. Do um do those cottages and apartments work against our
40B number? Um, I don't I don't think they do, right? I They did talk about that we'll have to do the 10% uh affordable, I think. So there will be something affordable in there, but it's they don't want to come
in as a 40b project. I just want to make sure that we're all these uh residences don't count towards our 10% number work against us. Yeah. These are all age restricted.
Do they have any more land there or is that that will I know they had a whole bunch of the rest of it? is it can yeah can you speak to please what street is Paul the town planner they said they do have more land available but what we
discussed uh this week was just a portion of it but the majority or a large percentage of it is going into the whether it's a conserv well it would be a conservation restriction Yeah. Okay. Thanks, Mom. Sure. Mr. Chairman,
which Robinson communities. Thank you. Roger. Roger. Roger. Yeah. I mean, it certainly sounds like it fits right within what we've kind of targeted or or seen in the master plan. And I think there was someone I saw from the housing authority at one point that
presented how many applicants they're getting for the the housing there. Uh so there's clearly a need for it. I'm sure another thing I forgot to mention when we were doing the town meeting stuff um at your last meeting
there was a request um to move the um MBTA zoning article up um and that would be a prerogative of the moderator. I was just wondering if the board is supportive of that. If you'd like to let the moderator know
that you'd be supportive of moving that article up, I mean, anyone can make the motion that Tom be. That's me personally. That's his meeting. It's his program support if he wants to, but
yeah, it's his Thank you. Do we have All right. So, next order of business is discussion on repairing of King Phillip Road. So, with that, uh I know we have a lot of residents here and uh we've been
doing a lot of homework uh trying to advocate for whatever kind of plan that we can come up with for anything. And um if you'd like to come up, Shireen, I'd really appreciate if you can speak to um you know, give a give a summary of what
you know, where we're at, what can be done, what can be done, uh processes, policies moving forward, um you know, possible steps moving forward if you could please. Sure. Um so I'm Sharon Ever from KP Law. Good evening. Um I'm
here to talk about King Phillip Road and what can be done uh to fix the condition which I understand is is pretty bad and dangerous and so you know obviously the select select board is very concerned about that and you know we want to do
whatever we can to help. Um it is the case you know it is the general laws says that the town cannot spend any public funds on private ways you know uh so there's a distinction between public
ways and private ways and I understand that King Phillip Road is a private way for most of it. So I believe the first 700 ft um is a is a public way or maybe a public way and the rest is a private way. Um unfortunately the general laws
uh say that the town cannot spend public funds on private waste. Um there is an exception that's provided for in the general laws which allows towns to make temporary repairs if they adopt a bylaw
and they temporary and bylaw can say what can be done, what cannot be done, how much the town can expend, what are the limits, what kind of work and the town has such a bylaw. Um it's called temporary repairs to private
waste and um and you know just just you know the name of the statute that allows county to do this limited work is called temporary repairs to private waste. So just by the title you can tell that it's just talking about temporary repairs. So
what the bylaw provides is that uh the town is authorized to make temporary repairs on private ways. Uh it says that uh it needs the vote of the town of Mati has to authorize this and it also says
that September. Okay. Um it says that the the temporary repairs shall include only the filling of holes or depressions with sand, ground, cinders or others suitable materials, but shall not include
construction, reconstruction or resurfacing of the ways. Drainage shall not be included and better charges shall not be assessed. So what the bylaws authorizes select board to do is to make temporary repairs
and as you as I just read those are very limited in nature which is you know filling up potholes. Um and I'm you know I'm here because the select board obviously you know you have concerns and and given the
dangerous condition of the road I understand. Uh but it's just the case that the town's hands are tied by the laws of m municipal finance and and its ability to do what it can.
Um, so unfortunately I'm here and I completely understand where you're coming from, but unfortunately I'm here to tell you that um, you know, given what the laws are and the bylaws, there is not much the town can do at this
point. Um, or at all unless something changes. Um, whether it's a change in the general laws, change in your bylaws, you get a special act. Um but unless those things happen, the town's high
hands are quite tied in that respect. So, Sharon, with that being said, those options that you just spoke of, um, if you can provide a little bit more clarity and and direction moving
forward, what um, you know, we we'd love to have those outlines, which you you gave us some, and and I'd like to be able to share those with the, you know, the residents that, uh, you know, on King Phillip, uh, so they can get a better understanding as well. um you
know so there's options moving forward. Yes. Uh would you like me to address it or would you I'd love for you to address it please. Okay. Sure. Um so there are as I said there are several ways we can get this moving in in your favor which is uh one is we make this road a public
way and that has to go through the statutory layout process and I've provided select board with an outline of what those steps are. There are multiple steps you know it goes to the planning board there's a meeting there's a hearing um ultimately goes to town
meeting town meeting decides that yes we shall accept these roads as a public way and then as the last step is that the town acquires rights which is the abutters give the town an easement uh to use it for public way purposes and it's
only through those steps which is acceptance layout planning board, the select board meet approval, then ultimately your town meeting and then finally with the easements, you can make um can road a public way. Once it's a
public way, you know, public funds can obviously be extended for its repair and maintenance. The other way to do it is to get a special act um through the legislature. And some towns have done this with with limited you know in very
limited circumstances which is you go to the to the state legislature and you say that we understand what the laws are which says we are prohibited from doing this but you need to give us this special exemption and allow us to make permanent
repairs to private waste. So let's say it doesn't become a a public way. The other option is to go to the state legislature and say please pass a special act that authorizes the select board to do this. So that's one avenue.
Um I'm not really aware of any other service the better way. Well yes I mean um so the other way of course is it's tied to the town making this a public way. So if the town makes this a public
way, we go through the street layout process, the town has the authority to make these permanent repairs and to assess betterments. Now the betterments constitutionally have to be assessed on those people who benefit from the road.
So it's going to be their butters and the cost can be spread, you know, how however town meeting decides or however the select board decides. So they could go to town meeting appropriate the money for their construction or resurfacing. Um and then once you have a
total cost they could deviate out in a in a proportionate manner among all those of others who benefit from having this road being improved. Um so that's the third way that's again in conjunction with making this a public way.
Should we just one one question for clarification? Yeah. Um the special act that you mentioned, I'm assuming we have to also amend our bylaws to open up what we're able to do for That's correct. So is that done in one um town meeting
article? Does it have to be separate? How does that is it a series the special act first and then the bylaws? How does that series work? Well, um, so I would I can see the sequence going as in you need to get authorization from town
meeting for the special act and you know I don't know if the state legislature is going to pass this because sometimes they don't sometimes they do. Uh, but in the meantime you could amend your bylaws to to authorize additional work rather
than just filling up potholes. Again, you're limited by statute to making temporary repairs. So, even if you amend your bylaws, there's only temporary repairs. I mean, some towns do more work under temporary repairs than some than others, but it's still limited by that
statutory constraint. So yes, you could amend your bylaws. You could go to special time. You could go get a special act. And those are the steps you would do um to get authorization to spend public funds for these purposes.
Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. I have a couple a couple questions. the um special act. If we were to go ahead with a special act, what process does the town have to go through first in order to even try to get the special act passed? My second
part of the question is if the special act is passed, can we use chapter 952 to do the work? Okay. So the process of getting a special act is that the town meeting needs to authorize the select board to file a special act and then we
would work with you to draft a special act that authorizes permanent repairs to private ws and we've done this for certain towns uh very limited but they have been done. So town meeting authorizes we draft the special act and
then you work with your legislative representatives to get it through the state legislature. Um you know it's always a backlog and but you know the extent that you can work with your reps um to ensure smooth passage um it can it can be done
through that way. It does take time you know it does take about at least 6 months given how slow things are. it may take longer. Uh but that would be the process. Now if you do get the special act um chapter 90 funds can only be used
for public waste. So chapter 90 funds would not qualify. You could not use that for this. Just another follow up on that. Um this is a blanket special act. In other words, any any street that has not been accepted. Well, you could do limited
repairs. You could do I I worked with towns to do just discrete roads. Uh some, you know, because there's compelling public interest or there's some reason to single out a certain road and yes, we have done special loops for
specific roads. Yeah. So, Sharon, a quick question. We did uh or it's coming up in, you know, a town meeting. we have uh increased the budget for repairs under our existing bylaw. Um
cuz that didn't keep up with inflation and whatnot. So with that being said, um there's this partic this road in particular has a couple, you know, rough spots. I mean, the road is rough, but there's there's a couple spots that are
more rough than other. And um you know I believe you know with that being said you know I'd like John to speak to this too um because I believe if we if we stay in the same elevation
um it meets John's requirement conservation requirement on you know instead of a you know it's a it's a more extensive repair. Mhm. Okay. And it's and you know instead of just filling the holes, right? Um you know it's more of
a more of a permanent than right. Um you know to get by for the time being till you know whatever whatever ends up being decided if if there is anything decided um you know we're trying to get some as as fast a relief as possible to the
residents, right? And um that's my biggest, you know, concern. How do we get, you know, something done sooner than later? Um cuz it seems like, you know, they're accepted in it as a public way. It seems like it's going to
be an act of Congress. Uh and then, you know, we can then assess a betterment and they're going to pay for it. Um you know, the residents. So, um I don't know if that's the best way moving forward myself. I mean, that's just me with what
I've read. Um, so John, if you could speak to, you know, repairs that could be done would be wonderful. Hi everyone, John Thomas, conservation director. What the question again? Sorry. Sorry. Go the question again. So
it you know you what you were explaining to me the other day or us the other day was the um you know the level of a type of a repair to where it gets to you know a replacement right. So so the challenge here with this road kind of outline that
we have is you have to think of it because we're all we're in most the majority of it is in the flood plane. So whatever work we do, we have to make sure and ensure that the elevations that we're basically doing all the repair work or grading or any sort of activity
is at the same elevation we left it at. So we need to make sure that for instance the elevation does not fluctuate or change. If it becomes higher then it becomes a problem with conservation and this is no longer emergency repair. It's more of a issue where we have to file afteraction permitting to make sure that we're in
compliance with the wetlands protection act. Anybody got any questions for John? I just have one John. The uh So I was out there yesterday looking at the road again and the flood obviously the flood plane's coming onto the road itself. Oh yeah. Hiding those big holes that no one
else can see, but we know they're there, right? Um so what you're saying is is that the elevation we'd have to work with or can we come up a bit with it or So the the challenge that we have is we cannot exceed the flood elevation out there. Flood elevation. flood elevation, can I
exceed it? Um, obviously when the road went in, I don't know if there was enough data collected or presented at the time when they were doing the work for the um the sewer line extension and whatnot through that area. I know that they resurfaced it, rep, paved it. Um,
but I don't know if there's any data. We'd have to look to see kind of what there was. But, you know, for us to be safe rather than sorry, I think it's probably best for us to try to get existing spot contours out there to see what the existing information is and then be able to quantify and certify
later on after the work is potentially done with all the repairs that we can basically put our stamp on it and say that yeah, there was no net change, there was no net increase in in fill for the project. So, with that being said, John, could you know Jared do a you know, a section
repair? I think if for instance if he had his level out there and he was basically doing it in sections um I think we could potentially do it and certify that the work is done but if he's doing the whole entire roadway that's going to be a little bit more extensive
completely understood. I'm I'm speaking specifically to those two really bad spots. Yeah. I think if we're going to look at the area as kind of looking at as, you know, areas and identifying sections that are in really really bad shape, I think we can potentially look
at those and try to fix those as soon as possible. Um, provided that we have the ability to do so. Um, but you know, just making sure we have electronic level and making sure we're at the same elevations, I think that's something that we can do. Okay. Beautiful. All right. Beautiful. Thank you. Thank
you. through your chair. Yes. Sorry. I just have one more question for sure. And you mentioned that you've done a few of these special acts before in the past. How successful have they been? They've all passed. Okay.
So uh Sharon with this you know now with you know the the three or four days that you know this project what what do you think you know basing off of you know history with other municipalities like you said what would be the best course
of action for us and mainly for the residents what would be the best course of action um I don't know the I don't know the road I've never driven it Um but you know the best course of action would be to make this a public way. Um and in
conjunction with that you could assess betterments but the benefit of doing that would be that then you could get chapter 90 funds to maintain the way in the future. I mean your chapter 90 funds are going to give you like I don't know 10 cents of the dollar but it is
something is better than nothing. And so having it a public way would would uh would give you at least that benefit and authorize public funds to be used for those purposes. So if that if that is um you know the
the path moving forward if it becomes a path moving forward who pays for the original layout you know the existing conditions engineering um so that would have to be done through betterments um because betterments under
the constitution you cannot assess betterments for something that that you don't enjoy. It has to benefit your property. That's why it's called betterment. And so if you're improving the road, that is a benefit not to
somebody else on the other side of town. It's a benefit to you and and to the abutters. So by statute and by constitution, you're required to assess the property owners who benefit from that. So the cost would be borne by the by their
butters to improve that route to make it acceptable for acceptance to town. Okay. Yes sir. Getting back to that comment in order to make it a a road that we could approve and
accept it has to have certain guidelines. We have to there's a lot of engineering work. We've got to work with conservation, this drainage, there's all these other issues that we have to deal with, uh, which could cost millions to
those those veterans. Um, so looking at, in my opinion, looking at trying to figure out a way to have the street accepted where we could use chapter 90 funding would be insane. I mean, the money would be ridiculous, right? And so we have to figure out another way uh
through maybe through the special act process we can do it. I assume that you you say other towns have done it. So that's something you could give us an example. Maybe a different town has done that in the past because not only King Phillip is a problem but um we're on the
other side just as bad maybe not quite but it's pretty rough. And again, we we not accepted the first few hundred ft of it, but they didn't accept at all. So, it's not just King Phillip we have to look at
here. We have to look at both sides of a way and figure out how we can make make repairs on both sides that make sense. Then you get into the areas where well I live in the first 700 ft so I don't have to pay that right because my home is perfectly fine. So we have to get into
other conversations about who we're going to do this also. Oh, absolutely. This is a very involved process. So, it has a number of steps, number of analysis and studies. As you said, it is quite complex. Um, but you know, you can
make your way through it. Um, it can be done, but as you as we just discussed, it's it's not a easy, you know, turning it around in a couple days and getting it done. Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. Um it seems like so we've got kind of two
separate issues here. One, let's try to make this road so it's passable so people can use the road doing repair work. And then two, finding and resolving the issue of how we're going to make it so
that the roof can be paid in full. So, it would seem to me that um after town meeting and we have some more money in the budget that we can use to do repairs that if uh the highway superintendent and the conservation agent and the
planning director could work together so that we could get that work done so it stays within the parameters that the conservation agent just described that we could get something done temporarily. Right. Um I I did want to clarify
something. If you do accept it as a public way, you could use public funds. You know, you could go to town meeting and say, I need to appropriate 3 million to do this. And if it passes, you can use the funds. I'm just saying if you want to do betterment, you can only
assess the neighbors. You can't assess anybody else. Um, so that's two/3s vote at town meeting. Correct. uh for betterments um for acceptance of road. Yes. Yes. And when you go to
appropriate the funds, you know, if you are intending to pay for it through taxation, I mean, you know, most residents are not favor of spending money on other people's roads. So there is a you know, if you get it passed, that's good. Um and then you can use
public funds. Um but yes, it would take a two-thirds vote to tell me. Yeah, I'd love to explore the special act option. It seems like it might be the fastest and what least uh ownorous
in the budget um option, but it also has limitations of what we can do as far as how broad we can expand and what we can do there. Right. uh we have done some that are broader in scope than than others. So um you know
ultimately it's a question of what this what the state legislature will support. Uh but but you know we have done special acts for limited repairs for more extensive repairs. It's just also a question of you know where you going to get the funds. Yeah, you if you could
give us an example of probably the most expensive so we can see sort of the guard rails of where we could go that'd be helpful. I think uh examples of the ones you've done before the most Okay, I'll have to go back. I don't remember off the top of my head.
Anybody else questions? Yeah, I just want to make a comment. I went out there. I looked at the road the other day and it's funny how the width width of the road is so different all the way through it. You know, when you go into the first 700 ft, it's like 22 23 ft
wide. When you get down where it's wet, where the swampy area is, it's like 16 ft, you know. So, when we're talking about a 40ft width, we've been talking about that for a while. kind of gives an idea how much this land is going to be taken if we try to comply with chapter
90 guidelines at 40 40oot great western street. Uh these people are going to be living between the pond and the wake and throughout the road and that's basically where it is. It's a challenge. So we have to uh we have to take a look at that see how we can we can figure it
out. But for the most part there were I I I took four measurements. It was 24. It was 22 19 16 and there was another one that was uh I think like 12. And it's tough to figure out where the road is when some
areas is washed away. So you can't really tell where the original pavement was. So it's it's it's serious and we have to figure out a way to do it. And at the same time, I think we have to keep in mind that we don't want to uh take
everybody's property in order to do it, spend millions of dollars and we lay out bounds and all this other stuff and then come back and say, "Oh, yeah, I'm going to do it. I'm going to take most of your property along with it." So, I think first of all, I think the special we
need to look at it. Yes. And I'm happy to provide examples when I get back. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. So I think we have possibility of working together with
some larger section repairs. Um John can quarterback that. Mr. Chair. Yes. I would add to that. I think we have to hear from Paul too. Uh I think deploying board has to be
involved in this whole process as we as we they will be. Yeah. Yeah. Uh just to answer that question, yes, John Thomas, conservation director Martown. Um yes, Jared and I can work collaboratively to um assist the select board with their
decision if they choose to go with the repair work. So thank you, gentlemen. Um so Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. I think we have to wait until after the money gets appropriated at town meeting before we can do anything. Yeah, that's right. Because we don't
even have any money left in that in the repair account to do anything right now. Mr. Chair, you Mr. Unsing we're going to get the town meeting is effective July 1st. Is this work that we can do once it's been
approved in town meeting for this year for next year? Uh, can we use that money in June instead of having to wait until July? Do we have to wait July 1st? July 1st. And I think John would want
the work done in the summer. Yeah. Yeah. We have to wait till July one. Anyone want to speak in the audience? Yes. If I could just on that, um, if Jared has any money left from what was
appropriated this year, he can obviously use that. That was a whopping $1,500. I think I'm sure I don't know if it was that much. I think it was a,000. Door's open. Come on up, Nick. As long as it's new information. Um, sure.
Nick Adams from 65 King Phip Road. Um, I had a question for the attorney, please. Um, we learned from Bridgewater and from NATIC that you can accept the substandard road with the special act by the legislature as you referenced
and our town has already passed the special legislation to accept a stub standard road if town meeting so chooses to. and then they accepted the first 800 or
700 ft of it at that time. So the entire road length has already been approved by the special legislation motion 15 20 years ago I believe to
accept substandard roads. Does that substandard road acceptance authorize any further improvements? I wanted to make sure that you were aware of that. Uh so yes, I am aware of the
special act uh which authorized the town to accept certain roads as public ways. Uh but when the town went through the process, it only accepted the first 700 ft. It did not accept the remaining road. So um you know so it can only
spend funds on the 700 ft. With respect to subdivision standards, they are discretionary to some extent. Um not all roads need to be 40 ft wide um and have all the improvements. It's all depends on what the planning board deems uh
reasonable and safe for travel. Um so there might be ability to relax some of the more stringent um you know subd standards if that's that works you know in this case. Um but
that that could work but but as to that special act it only authorized the acceptance of the first 78. So Sharon just to clarify that was for acceptance of roads as public ways not for the broadening of what we can do for
emergency repairs. Correct. That was only for acceptance as a public way. Yeah. Nothing else. Correct. All right. Yes, sir. Okay. Um uh I recall uh Mike you pointed out
that um the entire length of the road has been authorized to be accepted and the question is whether that legislation continues to this day and that we could now accept a road which has previously been authorized. I also
want to mention that as I keep saying is a 40 foot wide layout on which we have a 17 ft pavement road and so I don't believe any land has to be taken at all
and that if you look even at something as simple as the surveyor's map which is properly noted with GIS you know documentation um more land The town has been authorized to
take a 40 foot wide road and only has utilized 16 ft of that with pavement. So I'm still trying to see the limitation. Well, I'm not an attorney. I'm an engineer and I'm not going to pretend to
be one. So I I think the question is um in 95 the town had the special act as you said to accept certain roads in town. um subject to um approval by the select board and the planning board. Um
and at that time the select board um they accepted this first 700 ft. Mhm. Can they if they were going to accept the remainder of the road, could they do that through that special legislation?
Now, they only accepted 700, but if the road was brought up to standards or if the town decided they were going to accept the remainder of that road, could they now the select board now make that decision based on that original
um legislation from 30 years ago? So um so this uh special act speaks of uh the roads you know it says that the board of select may vote to adopt and
accept such roads as were listed um that were listed in the final proposal and was considered laid out and accepted as public ways. So it referred to a specific list of roads that could
be accepted in this manner. And I believe that the final list had this road but only had 700 ft. No. Um that's what was approved by the select board. The list had the entire road but the select board could only
approve 700 ft of it. Yeah. I'm sorry to interrupt, but so my understanding is that the legislation which was passed authorized the entire road to be accepted and it was only that we decided not to accept the whole thing at that time. But my question is has that
special legislation still stand where it's possible to accept the road even though it is substandard and again the substandard aspect was brought to my attention by Mr. Brady and and I read everything and spoke with the the um the
town manager at um um I believe it was West Bridgewater and also they referenced the successes that NATIC had in accepting substandard roads, making them and and bringing them into become a public road. And I'm I'm not that
familiar with what we have to do in order to bring it up to to code, but it's my hope that the conservation commission would understand that a thin road is superior to a fat road and that if you make the thing a 40 foot wide asphalt highway, you're not improving
anybody's life. So, I would love to see us be able to maintain it as a beautiful little 12t 16 ft road ribbon on a 40 foot wide right of way. How's that?
[Applause] I'd just like to say that the conservation commission does not regulate the size dimensions of roads, nor do we have any sort of restrictions for roads. That's the planning board and fire department. If you have any questions, you can reach out to them. Thank you.
Shing, could you speak to that? Do you have familiarity with that? Would that would that legislation still be in effect? um or is that something you need to I I need to research this because I need to look at the um the backdrop to this
legislation and the petition that was to see if it still applies. But even if it applies, it talks about a process for accepting roads. You still have to go. It's almost similar to the public way layout process. It's I I'm not sure what that
gets you by that special frankly. It it it it it uh streamlines the process somewhat. Um but you still have to go through the various you know it has to go through the planning board. It has to be accepted by the select board. Um and
ultimately when it comes time for the town to acquire rights in the road, you still have to do that. This this is not authorizing the taking of anybody anybody's property. It's just a mechanism for you to accept a road should you want to but in the end if you
need to widen the road you have to acquire these winds of land from the abundance. Okay. Thank you. And Mr. chair questions. Yeah, just a comment the uh the acceptance of RO chapter 22 the actual 1995 that's the one we're
going by and I'm looking at the minutes of the select board selection reading at that time and we we had a complete list of um roads we we read them off individually
um we had the length we had the width of each road as example, we only took the first 800 ft of that. Um, these recommendations were recommendations that we listened to Carl Jacobs, who was our DPW director at the time, and he was
the one making the the final final observations. But when we read this list into public record back in '95, I was one of the ones that read. Um, we only put in 700 ft for Kfield Road, put in 800 ft for Charlotte, and
there's another one, Home Street, that we had on the list. We deleted entirely. We took right off. So, I'm not even sure if Home Street today is even approved. It's probably one of those streets that's kind of hanging out there. Um, but Nick is right. I mean, it does
say 40 ft width, and obviously we don't want to do that. I mean, I this visualizes some of the grinder pumps that these folks have in their front yard, maybe under road at this point. So, we better be very figure out how we can get a narrow street of that
neighborhood in some kind of condition so people can use it, not have to worry about getting killed on it. So, um I think we need to uh probably do some more research on this and find out what we can and cannot do. give us some examples how we can do an openly uh
special act that you I mean you could do that through the regular state acceptance process the state acceptance process which is very akin very similar to the steps that's in the statute it it doesn't it doesn't prohibit you from approving a road
that's less than 40 ft in width uh it can be done whether or not it's in here or elsewhere So you have that flexibility. That can be done, but it still needs a town meeting vote. Yes. So ultimately
everything has to be approved by town meeting. Yes. And Mr. Chairman, that can be done, but they use chapter 95. Yeah. Yes. So chapter 90 kicks in a whole bunch of requirements. Correct. So I I get that, but
we got to figure out a way to Right. I mean I had in Venom there was this road called Longfellow Road and it was twisty turny and you know horrible dangerous condition
um and um and very precarious because it wasn't on the side of a hill and and the town went through a special act to get funds. uh the the you know the abuters spend a
lot of money uh contributing towards the cost of the road and the betterments and they got it done. Uh so it's possible to improve it if it's not you know it doesn't have to be 40 ft. It can be lesser width or different dimensions
than you would through a street acceptance process as you were getting to. Mr. Chair, I have one one further question. And this is to the people that live on one kind of there was a very active one kind of association when they
put lines down there many years ago. That's still active. No. Thank you. I guess my my thought was if it was still active, we would have the ability to maybe work with a few other people from the neighborhood and try to come up
with some greater ways to deal with this. Right. I mean, the situation I, you know, I see this day in day out. It's it's it's a very very uh it's a strong concern for residents in small ways. You know, these things are not getting
better. They're getting worse and uh and limited limited funds and laws that really do not allow much flexibility. So, it's it's a it's unfortunate, but you know, it's not unique to you, but it it is a concern
for many many towns. So I guess with that being said, if you can provide us with some guidance uh from you know successful um you know steps that towns have made that would be
hugely helpful for us um you know to share with the homeowners and residents. Sure. Absolutely. in and in the meantime, you know, John and Jared um are going to do what they can do when I mean they can get ready and then after it's done after July 1st, you know, once
the new fiscal year starts, they can um you know, come out of it come out of the gate swinging. Um you know, in the meantime, um it's not the best news, but it's uh the best news that we can provide with
everything that is presented to us. So, um, anybody comments? Okay, thank you guys. I'll come out again. I have I have May I speak? You can if it's new information. Sure.
You guys like working with me? I just didn't have that. Sher Seavoy 115 King Phil. So, you know, everyone has their opinions on how things were done and and you know and uh you know back in the day
and I have because we have people on Zoom here. I have questions that they have for you. Okay. From the Zoom people and friends of mine. So, where how come they're not here? Cuz they couldn't be.
So they're on they're they're through Zoom when they can be on Zoom Alec but I also has have a question you know people that are also concerned about the road asked me to present the question
can I do that because it's actually something that you know I'm not good with all the verbiage and whatnot of of of saying you know saying things so you know basically you know the The person said, "The town keeps talking about the 40ft
requirement, curbing, taking people's property, drainage, conservation, acceptable, and they want to know why were none of these requirements needed in order to rep to pave the first 700 ft of the road." So, can you state this
person's name and their address on King Phillip, too, please? This is this is this is my text back and forth to this person, Robert Grio. Who's my other half? Who's my other half who was here with me who had a root canal today and can't be
here? Okay, so hi Robert. Hi Bobby. Hope you're feeling better. But anyway, that was his question. Why did the town pave the first few hundred feet without following the guidelines they are required to pave for the rest?
For that first 700 ft, the guidelines were not followed. So I think that was 30 years ago. But you're still paving it and you're still paving it. The guidelines 30 years ago weren't the same that they are now. Yeah. So I think so they can continue to pave it and not
follow the guidelines. Everybody through me to everybody through me. Huh? Everybody threw me. No talking over, please. Okay. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Sure. So, that was my question because conservation, he was John was stating
something about, you know, going through conservation and all this for that part of the road, but it's being repaved and it it's that part of the road in the flood plan, too. I mean, these are just we don't know. I mean, we just shoot from the hip. Yeah. I don't
know the answer to that question cuz they paved it last year, you know, and that I think that was, you know, his concern was, you know, they can continue to repave that road, but, you know, it's it sounds like, you know, John needs to be
involved with the flood area over there and, you know, how that's set up. It just, you know, King Phillip is honestly one road and I get I don't get it that they can only accept 700 ft when the rest of us live on the same street. It's
just it's a weird situation. But I appreciate the attorney, you know, I really do for, you know, your outlook and maybe we can get things done, but also the concerns keep going forward. Um, and again just my homework that I do
cuz you know I like to give you guys homework. May I approach? I'll give you the first one because I know I always ask you this is just a bad private. No, but I know but just to get an idea. I just wanted to give it to
you to get an idea of you know the funding part that's all. Hello. Okay. So just to get an idea of because he did say there was so again you know working with he with
this you know just to get you know a quote of what it might cost so we have an idea and he did get you know in in the description of how they would patch those bad areas because we never got the
quote on that just you know just to take care of those really bad areas. So, I thought it was important to get an idea, you know, what the work how the work would be done. And he did follow through with listing how that work would be done to fix those bad areas. And I believe
you're you're you know, I mean, I'm not a paving person, so but I think if you read it, you understand how those areas would be patched without disturbing anything. I we understand, Cherry. Thank you for that. Just what you wanted to
pass that along. Let me make sure. Let me make sure he didn't text me anything else. Okay. No, that's all I have. Okay. Hey, thank you, Sher and everybody that lives on King Phillip. We are trying everything that we possibly can do. I
hope that you guys recognize that. Uh it would be a lot nicer with a a little bit um you know, more relaxed approach. It would be better appreciated cuz uh we are handcuffed every single stone that
we upturn. And it's frustrating to us just as much as it is you. Can I speak really quick? Sure. Come on up. Thank you so much. Name and address. Cooney 113. When you get there, please road. It sounds like you want to
help us. Absolutely. Want to page fix the bad areas and then we'll fight the other battle after. Is that correct? I think that's what it's starting to look like. You know, it's a fluid situation. I think everybody appreciates that. We're not going to
win the Super Bowl today. In other words, we may qualify. And if we get something done, I know there's room in a couple of my cars on my wife's car. Not yet, but sometimes
she can't. She's not that tall. So, she isn't. She's not that tall, so she doesn't fit with the hood that well. But anyway, thank you so much. Yeah, I think that's what he's trying to say to us. He was everybody being helpful. We
don't want to attack you. At least I don't. Um we can fix most of them to save some guys and then we'll fight, you know, try to win later. That'll be great. Kids, my kids, our kids on bikes. We want to save them too cuz they're
getting injured. Thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Obviously, we would appreciate Oh, I also know 88 King Phil Road. Obviously, would appreciate anything to be done. Um, I was curious with the X size. Where does AS go? Like, I know that the first
700 ft can see where it's gone, but I feel like we don't get to see where our taxes are going. We got another streets, right? Yeah. So, how come they can't help out Dust Street then? If we drive on their streets, they drive on
us. I feel like I Well, I feel like obviously that's temporary not working. Um people in town could say, "Why do we clean their lake?" It's not just that's just the same. And new news,
my daughter has taken the biggest dinner she's ever taken before. She was going to come with me tonight and show you her wool wounds, but she didn't. I just hope something can be done. I really do. Yeah. I I hope you guys are frustrated. We're doing everything. I agree. But
we're also super frustrated. I agree. And now it's like giving up our Thursday nights to show that we want this. It's like not only do we have to drive up and down it all day, we given up our Thursday nights to try to make something happen, too. But I think I can speak for all of us. We we want this taken care of
just as soon as you All right, Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. Um just a suggestion. You guys welcome to come anytime you want, but we've had situations other situations in town on roads where um they decided
to work everything through one person so that they have your voice is still heard but you don't all have to come out every time. I would say if you want to have somebody that you know you guys designate as somebody to say that you
King Phip Road people are still here. We know you're here. Okay, we get it. I like these guys. I think you like to hear yourself talk. Because if my other half was here, he would you you guys think that I'm
yelling. It's just the tone of my voice. And I've been a writing instructor of horseback riding school all my life. So, I've learned how to speak loud. And I don't mean I don't want you guys to think that I I'm coming across angry. I really don't. And I really do appreciate
this. I started this and I want to end it for these people with you guys, you know. Um totally lost control. We do too. No, I know you do. I know you do cuz you answered my email, you know,
and I mean I appreciate it. I re appreciate when people reach out to other people, you know, it's respectful, you know, to answer the other person. And you guys have been great all along. All along. I have to say when I'm on the road, sometimes I don't. So, just just
in case. Anyway, I'm not a big technical kind of guy, but I totally forgot what I wanted to say. It's okay. No, it's okay. Thank you for coming here. I want to stay here a little longer. Enough. And I did apply for a position. I know I
didn't ever get a response. Just want to say that. I did. I'm serious. You got my resume. Thank you. I think I think if everybody could take, you know, Roger's advice, if you guys could try to get somebody
Sorry, I apologize. I didn't want to interrupt you, but I remembered what I was going to say cuz I'm old. So, what I was going to say is there are about 69 to 70 houses on that street. And when you mentioned about we don't all have to be here, I felt it was important to get
as many people here to show how much we're concerned cuz not everybody can come to every meeting. And it's nice to see other people who couldn't make the last meeting come to the next meeting. That's all. And I don't expect you to have 70, you know, residents sitting in
here. And I am the speaker of the house. up. Yes, sir. Um, sure. The only reason I even said that was just so you folks don't have to have all come up. We know this is an issue. You see that we're
addressing it, right? It is on on the top of in the front of our mind, right? So, but everybody has their own opinions on things and ideas and and that's why you should all get together and then bring them as one person so that you can speak as one voice. Okay. All right.
Thanks. You again. Thank you, Sher. Anybody else? Name and address, please. Denise Seavoya, 56 King Phip Road. Um, I think at this stage of the game
from what I'm hearing tonight, and I just don't want to also everything here. We got I I've got to be patient. We got to know what our options are and that kind of thing. With that said, I'm going to move on. Um my
granddaughter is here tonight and she would like to um give her perspective of the road. If she could come up and say something, she's ready to do it.
Okay. and uh this is her first public speaking. Um sorry, what's your name? Jaylen Wyn. Uh 56 King Philip Road. Welcome. Thank you. Um I'm here to speak about the condition of King Phillip Road. As a
16-year-old, um a sophomore in Nor High School, uh the road has been crumbling for years. I mean, I mean, I'm sure everyone here knows that. Um, it's full and deep of potholes, uneven surfaces,
and loose gravel. And I know I've seen other kids. I mean, I walk along the road all summer long. And my I myself, I've tripped and fallen. And even when walking home on the bus stop, it's horrible. I mean, we're
talking about the, you know, what's it called? You know, where the water all goes down? The swamp. I've walked down that road and it's been like crazy water. And a car driving 5 miles.
I've been slashed all along my clothes without an umbrella to even walk on, which I guess you could say that is my fault for not bringing an umbrella. But what my concern is is trying to even,
you know, communicate because I mean before we even left an ambulance went by and there's always ambulances on our road and there's obviously a person with a medical condition on our road and it's not only concerning to me and you might be thinking why is it concerning to you? You're only 16 and you're in high
school, you're a sophomore. shouldn't be cons concerning. And honestly, it's concerning to me because I felt so many heartfelts. I've I mean, I haven't known anybody in this room maybe since Barbara and my
grandmother. And honestly, like I care for everyone in this room. Even if I don't know them, I don't know their history, I care for them no matter what side they're on. And my point being is if this is a road that you know people live on and they
pay to be there and they pay taxes and you know they're they have a medical condition. I don't think a person should buy a house and then have that road be like that and be like oh like why did you buy that house but on that road
then? There could be many reasons. They could be lose of money or even family issues or just anything. It really doesn't matter why the person moved there. The road should be a clean road and paved for ambulance. Ambula, how do
you say ambulances? Ambulances to go down without having a breakage or I mean my grandmother's car. I mean, it's been it's older than I am. And you know, I mean, I can't even count how many times it's had been repaired this
year. It's an old car and you know, there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, people have old cars all the time. They drive them just for a drive. They drive them that that might be their only vehicle. And it's a real concern cuz I I in a few years, I might even
this year be driving my own very car with my license and going down that road. And I mean I'm going to be taking the house when you know when I'm older. And so I really I think it's I really think it's important for not only everyone to speak
on it, but for the youth to speak on it cuz I mean I know there's many many people in here or sitting here and are at home who have children who get hurt. And by a babysitter, I babysit my little cousin all the time. And even though it is not a fast road,
it's a private, very private road. I think everybody could agree here. Um, it's still very dangerous, not even by cars. I mean, even by like the potholes. I mean, I've seen my little cousin fall because of them on my road. Riding his
bike. Riding his bike. I mean, sure, you're going to fall once in a while, but I mean, a pothole. you're going deep into a deep pothole and you're falling. And I mean, obviously, everybody's leaving their statements and
I respect them. And honestly, I think we could always come up with a compromise. No, no matter what. I think compromise is just it's it's there, you know. Um, but I really did want to give you a view of like, you know, the youth. And I
mean, not only me, but her generation has been here. I mean, my mother's been there. She's been there. Her father has been there. And I mean, the house was built. He had the house built there. It wasn't even he bought the land and then
the house was, but it wasn't. No, it wasn't, oh, there's a house. I'm going to buy it. even before that. She lived in that house. She lived in the house on that road even before that. And honestly, I just I really just want to take the time. And I'm not trying to be hostile. I'm not trying to
be rude of my own. I'm honestly just trying to give a strict statement on what's coming from my view and, you know, the others I care for views. And um I want to have the safety for not only me but for anybody who drives down
the road. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So that's done with that today. Everybody done? Okay. Select boards report mail as
well. Simple as that. Next meeting agenda May 22nd, 2025. We don't have executive and I'll take a motion. Mr. Chair. Yes, sir. Make a motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I I Thank you. Thank you,
everybody.