Then some stop the let's do a roll call first. Um uh Jim present. Uh Steve present and I'm also present in the coming. So let's all stand and the pledge of allegiance.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nation indivisibley and justice for all. All right, welcome everyone out there in radio and
TV land and uh welcome to the PETA channel and uh let's get right into it. Let's go with um meetings. One set of minutes. Okay, I'm going go ahead and make a motion to approve the May 13, 2025
meeting minutes for the water and sewer commission. I second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. I just want to point out and appreciate Brooke. I just the menace come very well. I just we we very much appreciate the work you do on those. Thank you.
Considering then you're going to deal with us. Uh all right, let's go with the whole business. We'll write we'll write down there the 225 South Wister Street project. Well, these were plans that you guys had already voted on and approved, but we didn't have hard copies. for signatures now at the end of the
meeting. Okay, we'll do them at the end. Almost ready. Thanks. Thanks, Jim. Uh, let's go to 10 West Main Street project. Yeah. So, we had already had a discussion on this prior. Um, there were some last minute changes to the bedroom count. It's
indicated as of right now, they're going to show it as 14 one bedrooms and three two-bedroom units. Um, they do have a few items that they still have to work on with the historical commission, so changes may still be coming. They're still they're doing the commercial underneath as we spoke about. That's
that's what it's proposed as and depending on what what they get from push back. We're going to go what two floors up? Multi level. Okay. Yeah. So, we we'll definitely get a confirmation on whatever the final design is from them, but so far that's where they're looking. Okay. Great. Great. Uh 2318 Bay Street uh project
presentation. We have those people here for that. Okay. quickly. Hi, if you could just uh speak speak clearly and uh so we just get your name and everything like that. So uh for the record, do you want me to set up the easel or how do you want me to do this? Yeah.
Yeah. If if that's convenient for you, sure. instead of a short one. It's not in the budget. You're right. It's not for you as well. This is just awesome. Appreciate that. All right.
So, uh, good evening. I'm Jamie from Zenith Consulting Engineers. Uh 2318 Bay Street is in front of you tonight. We're proposing sewer and water connection uh and the road. Uh the sewer um well the water obviously comes from that
way. The sewer in our case here we're looking to propose the tie into the 2-in low pressure main that's in the road and go down to the lift station in which lift station lifted up across into Pontton. um met with your staff on site
a couple weeks ago. Um and what we did was we kind of came up with a game plan that we wanted to present to the commission. Um I think the biggest concern out here with the 2 in is that it handles residences, a number of them, and overburdening a 2-in line could be
catastrophic if if it's done because it could back up into homes and and propose it could have issues. So, what what we came up with was um setting setting up a pump chamber that's large enough to handle more than the 24-hour flow of the
site and then pump it in off peak hours from 1:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. So, holding tank. Exactly. Correct. So, in our proposal, we're we're proposing an 8,000gallon uh tank
with duplex pumps. They're two horsepower and um oil filled. They have one and a quarter inch discharge. Um and they will then expand to 1 and 1/2 in discharge um which will then connect to the uh low
pressure force made in the street which is 2. Um the operating volumes we're keeping 24 in of water in the tank at all times which is 2 in taller than the pumps which ensure that they're kept cool. our function elevations go from 24
to 29 inches, which is when it would trigger the panel that hey, we could pump. And then from 29 to 80 is the 80 is where the alarm would go on saying, hey, listen, we've reached your 24-hour capacity. Um, and we still have storage
beyond that. Um, which which is fantastic. We actually have about 96 in 94 inches of storage in the tank altogether. So, that being said, um this is going to require a customized panel. Customized panel would be placed outside
in a waterproof container. It would um we we wrote down some specifications on it. It would have to be programmable um to allow running from 1:00 am to 5:00 am. Um it would set so the pumps would alternate and it would also um we're looking for it to have lemetry so that
it can alert the property owner or manager when there's a failure or an issue, an alarm event. And then the box itself that contains the panel would have to be weathertight. Um all of that we've also we've got
redundant um check valves. check valve here and check valve with anti-ciphon valve here to avoid any issue. U because our biggest concern on our end is the pump gets all the liquid pulled out of the tank and then the pump burns up from running from 1 to 5:00 a.m. and nothing
to pump out. Uh besides that, the flows uh the pump itself is projected to operate around 36 gallons a minute. So that's well within range for a 2 in low pressure line. We're pushing it through an inch and a half, which isn't going to have a problem with it. So to ensure um and
that's about it for the sewer. We do have a grease trap proposed uh prior to the tank and a man bolt which is also on the plant sheet. That grease trap will empty into the sewer after you go through the grease
trap. It will it'll go in. So the the fog will get separated out prior to entering into the function and the and the grease trap will have to be serviced. So is that covering is that one trap covering both buildings because I know there was an undetermined use of the side building. No. So this is just for this building. If if let's say that
it is a use that requires a grease trap, they'll they'll have their own Yeah. Totten requires it. So and then as far as water's concerned, um we did some excavations with the water department and found the end of the line actually is about here. So,
we're looking to pick up that line and um let me make sure I'm saying that correctly. No, I'm not. I'm not saying that correctly because there's a hydrant over here that we're going to need. Yeah, we found the line here. We're going to tie into the line. We're going to come up and run a new uh service or
main on our site. We're looking for an 8 in so that we can provide future fire protection for over on the side and also have our uh have our service taps off of it for this building and whatever buildings we do on this site. So we
don't know what's going on the other thing. We don't know what right now we're looking at we're looking at food style establishment. So are we going to have you're going to have capacity in this proposed chamber? Yes. Is it going to empty to that? It is. because you got 24 hours you said
for everything including for everything including the other side and then some. So and that's we gave the calculations to the water and sewer department in a spreadsheet and what we did was um basically title five bases all flows based off of seeds but they also say if you don't meet the minimum of a certain
like a thousand gallons a day then you you should use thousand gallons a day. What we did was we used the safe numbers that Title 5 provides when we were at like 600 gallons a day. We use the thousand in our calculations. So our number should be really safe. Okay.
Well, this chamber system is is new to new to us, right? Yeah. It's something that's uh you know, I've heard about and I've heard good things and bad things about it, but we know of any other places that have actually have to implemented in town. We don't have anything like not in Norton, but anywhere. I'm just more worried about
the residents and the pump system that they have. that doesn't compromise that uh the future. What is the floor serving the two inch line? There are seven homes that have the ability to connect. I believe only two or three are
actually connected right now. Um there's a vacant parcel across the street from this um that has the ability to connect also. And that's actually probably one of the the larger parcels that's remaining in this area. And I imagine the grinder pumps that are pumping into the
Yeah. Yeah. The two inch line should be for that flow, but they it was designed for residential homes. It was an IMA that was in place many years ago. It actually was set to expire, I believe, in 2026. Um we worked with Taton's um legal division ended up
getting, you know, it language changed to allow this facility to go in um you know, again, a year short or so of the time frame. And um the limitations are basically this was designed for residential use. So we want to make sure you know 100% certain that it can handle
the residential and the commercial flows that are now being added to it. Um so I know I had had conversations with our engineer Steve he was willing to take a look at this um to verify everything that was presented because it is something that you know we are we are not familiar with um just that makes you
feel good but I've did this in design before similar. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a good solution to a problem. Yeah. And I think it's honestly I think it's super safe like you said for this 2in line
because if the line can handle 40 gallons a minute, it's going to take care of a single family house and absolutely in 10 minutes, 5 minutes. And so the seven houses that it's proposed and even if you develop a couple of houses across the street, still ample capacity, but it doesn't hurt us to do
this. So, and like and the other thing that we proposed was giving um your staff access to the control panel so that they can go in and check make sure that no one's played with the the timing or um if they if we need to adjust it, we're amendable to that. You know, if we
find that maybe we're going to move it to 1:30. Um but we believe that it's going to probably be 45 minutes if we're if the flows are what we think they're going to be. It could be up to an hour and a half um if they're larger at one in the morning kind of thing. Basically, every day at one in the morning, it
would dump from here into the system. It would start pumping at like 36 gallons a minute and that would go into that lift station. The lift station would then pump it up and push it back to its pump. Yep. Do we do we need any input from Steve on this or has he seen this? It definitely
isn't going to hurt to have input from him. I know when I was speaking with our leader tech, Bruno, he he was aware of systems like this. I don't think he actually physically had any any operations within his previous um location where he was employed, but uh you know definitely felt it would be worth you know having somebody with
prior knowledge just take a one shot of that idea. I think Frank is it is it 2 in all the way to the station? I know we had this discussion before. Can you hear me? Yeah. Turn it up. Sorry Steve. Hi Steve. It goes at the bridge. It goes from two
to three. Um, and there's a short section from a 3 in up over the bridge down and into the lift st into a manhole next to the lift station. But the majority of it, I would say 700 ft of it or so is 2 in. Okay. And I think we
talked about that before, Frank. And you guys have um asbuilt drawings of this. So yeah, if you want us to take a look at it. I mean, what he's talking about makes sense. There's several ways to do it. That is certainly one way um
to address it and to mitigate the concerns of uh of the homes. Um making sure that it's it's not going to be an issue for them to be able to turn on and pump into the system. But we can take a look at it. Yeah, I'd
be I'd be more comfortable with that. Yep. So you want us to enter into contract with them? Okay. I'm sorry, Steve. So do we enter? So we've been entering into contract with the entities
like a peer review. Typically a peer review would be a separate contract between Weston and Samson and and the builder or the contractor and we'd actually stay out of it. Um depending on how involved they need to get. It's going to depend on what the cost is. I mean, other than that, it could possibly be handled under our general services
contract, but it's definitely not something we've done previously. It's always been peer reviews. Yeah, I know we haven't done peer reviews. So, that's what I would uh I would recommend that we haven't done in town before. That's a good idea. Yeah.
So, uh in regards to the water, that's that's where the end of the line is with the with the valve. Is that time, sir? Yeah. Currently, it's in the middle of the proposed layout of the driveway. Okay. So, it's kind of get relocated here and then, you know, a T assembly
gate valves and they'll kick in to stay out of the state road ement into their driveway and run down new hydrant be installed at the end with an isolation valve. Yep. And I believe there's two 2in lines you're running off. So, what do you have a stub stub there for the f
future? Okay. Yep. And that's the water coming. What's the What size is the water coming in? 2 in 2 in. I'm sorry. Water. Yeah. I mean, the water's the the simplest solution down here. Again, I wish it was a bigger main, but again,
when it was put in, it was What do we have over here? Eight. Eight. Yeah. It connects to a 12 down at King Phillip. Is there uh like fire suppression at all, or is it just like in that building? There's no fire suppression. And with the canopies, it's a different kind of fire suppression. It's more like
a foam. Yep. Okay. Yeah. All right. Be fast free, right? Just Just kidding. I know. I know. It has to be. It's a problem. I know. Yeah, we have. We have That's outside of my office.
Yeah. for the unknown use of the other build. I know you mentioned earlier a fire suppression. Um you'd have to do a an actual hydrant flow test to determine exactly what you can get out of that because there will be some loss based on the distance and the size limitations. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, there'll be
a fire suppression engineer and there'll be it's involved. Yeah. Make sure. Oh, thank you. It's it's on the table so everybody's aware. Yep. So um what do you do you other than pay how do we proceed? I mean I think the
water can be approved as shown um sewer pending review from uh from Weston and Samson that way. I mean I don't know if you guys are willing to go two separate parts for construction. I know you guys been behind the eightball with this. Um yeah, I mean for this for the sake of time um if you guys you know yeah
approve the water that'd be great as far as sewer if you guys approve it pending their approval then we can get with them right away and once they review it it's a you know I think it'll be really uncomplicated to review. I don't think it'll be a great process for them and then as soon as they give the okay then
we can jump right into it because you know if you drive by the site it's paved up to see that possible with all the paperwork. Yeah. I mean there's still some paperwork to be done. This is these are two brand new accounts that'll have to
be set up and you know this obviously this fees for connections and stuff we can discuss once uh once it moves to the next step. Correct. Can we go with that? Right. Yeah. All right. I'll go ahead and make a motion then to approve the plans for water for 2318 Bay Street and
also for sewer pending the peer review from Weston and Samson. I second. All in favor? I thank you. Thank you. Thanks guys. Guys, appreciate it. Thank you. Thanks. Yeah, you can read it.
Nice. They're so busy they um I'm guessing I'll reach out to Frank and Frank can provide me with Yeah, I can I can send you over the the information. Sure. No worries. Thanks, guys. Thank you.
All right. Elm Street updates. It's all Steve. This is all Steve. No, he's he's gone. He's already he's gone. He's out on camera. And he's got his glasses on, too. So, that's scary. Out of here. How's that?
Straight update. They rejected us. What? What? You forgot already again. So, we met with um with the funding agency
and with Mike Units and and Paul. I don't really know where it's going from here. They there's still they'd like to try and move forward with the developer making up the difference. You know, basically the town not having
to spend any money. So, if it's the grant money and then the developer pays for the rest, that's great. But they got to get back with the developer because the developer wants they're back on that um tiff where they'll they'll front the money but they
want to get a break on their taxes. They want to recover it through taxes over time. So I don't know where they're going to go with it. But that's up to Mike and Paul. Mike's only here for a couple more days.
So Mike's not going to do anything with it. So I don't know how far it's going to go. Go back to town meeting again, right? Um there a tiff would a tiff to go back. I believe believe that requires time vote.
Okay. Yeah. I don't know anything that has if if anything that has to go back to town meeting would get approved because it didn't it was less the I don't think people were really concerned about how much money they were spending because it wasn't a lot of money. It was they didn't want the they
didn't want the 150 units. So I don't think that's going to change. They want the That's my opinion. That was one option. How come you're not hearing that? All right. Well, yeah. So, when when's
the last time you had you been having the discussion right after the meeting? I mean, right now it's You haven't heard anything, right? No. No. I mean, with Mike leaving, I don't know who's carrying the ball in the mix.
I think if you bring anything related to a down street sewer to town meeting then people are going to be showing up to this building and pitchforks, you know. Yeah, I think Steve hit it right on the head. They they didn't like what was proposed. It had nothing to do with, you know, the monies that were involved, you
know, and it all came down to it. The alternative method was right. We provided them what they had asked for, what they wanted and they still turned it on. Yeah. So if it was the same money, six times a child park, they probably would have voted for it. Never know.
Yeah. And I think so I mean our bigger issue on that is still trying to figure out how we can recover the amendment. So I you know put forward our amendment again. Um, and I know Frank's trying to was trying
to work with with Mike units on on how um the town might be able to pay us for the overruns on our contract on that which we've been carrying for over a year. So, I'd like to get that figured out.
Good. It's all Frank's to-do list. It's at the top, but that list is long. How much can it be? Okay. Thanks, Steve. Yep. All right. Let's uh move right on
to 360 southwesterista. Oh, he's got a fancy Oh, look at this one. This one's even more fancy. That one makes a lot of noise. I think I have one of those. I give you have to expand the office here with all the extra toys. That's a nice one though. Hopefully these plans are
readable also. Okay. So, Carlo Sculty with Civil Environmental Consultants. We're the civil engineers on the project. Uh this has been through planning board conservation review. It's getting close to construction. The contract is ready to go. Uh what we have are three
separate buildings on this property in South W Street. It's just there's kind of two mediumsiz buildings about 4,000 square feet and one smaller about 1,200 square ft. We have a It's kind of tough because it splits up on two separate sheets. Oh, okay. So, we're connecting
to the 10 in kind of like this, right? So, we're connecting to uh the 10-in main in the street. We have a 8 in connection coming off a new hydrant in the back and then one in domestic services to each one of the buildings. Uh it's just domestic service. uh no
fire suppression for the individual buildings are all small enough that they don't need it. Uh we worked with the fire department. They wanted the hydrant and also working with the uh the water staff. They had us add a couple notes uh near the street just confirming there was some ambiguity I guess on the
material on the water man in the street. So we just added some notes that we needed to confirm the details on what that connection looks like based on what the test bits show when it's time to connect. So we'll customize that detail at that time. What is that 10 inch made out of? That's uh according to the records, it's oversized AC. It's the
extra thick wall AC. So, it comes out with a 12 inch left diameter. Um so, we're going to confirm with existing gates in the street if we could facilitate a minor shutdown to allow them to cut in an actual T assembly and gate valves there. looking at the layout
that's there and confirming it after walking the street. More than likely a hot tap is going to be required there because it's going to put the commercial building down the street out of water because there aren't valves aren't spaced appropriately there. So we did upgrades on the other side of the old
Cisco and just up the street from there we we connected we ran new ductal. So you know without if you put that building out of water they have to bring in you know separate vehicles and stuff with actually pumpers because they have chiller systems on the roof. Oh okay. So it it's a big deal with that facility
out of water and we work with them as as often as possible is not a option I know where they at but they they take a significant amount of volume for the chillers. So I think what will happen that's why we had the language put in there. We wanted to wait and confirm exactly what's there but
stainless steel um hot tap assembly with a gate valve it's probably the yeah it's very thick. This is going to be a low intensity user. It's just a contractor's yard. Yeah. So, just one inch service is all you require. Huh. Yep. Domestic. They're not really doing
any sort of water production or anything crazy like that. It's basically for a couple bathrooms. And so, these are commercial uh type. Yeah. Contractor's yard. It's kind of dry storage. They have their equipment and whatnot inside the building and a small office in the front. Uh not really too much for retail
service. So, it's just for the contractor operations. Uh and as it relates to sewer, uh we're on set take in the rear. Uh it's been through Florida Health as well for the the sewer review as well. That correct? So you have your own system. So we're also take on site. So not 10 sort of town sewer
system. So just water and the reason we're in front of you today is because this one kind of main coming off the line with the hydrant and the taps coming off separately is viewed as a main as opposed to just services. We had contemplated having individual services come off the main and the street
ultimately just having one connection I think is less interruption. It's less work on on the existing main. I'm sure the fire department would like to see that they behind side of the road. That's smart for all parties. It didn't make sense here to uh to require a loop
just because they're there such they're tiny commercial buildings that there's no fire suppression or anything needed there. So, similar to what we've done in the past with uh allowances on variances for the loop, you know, it's designed the same way. You could flush with the fire hydrant if you had to. Absolutely. Yeah, that's the
end of the line there. Yep. That's pretty simple. It works out well. A good decent amount of area to put the uh the water if necessary to pull it in there. Okay. Pretty pretty straightforward. I emailed you guys about this. I think a while back before we had a presentation.
That's why it probably sounds very familiar. Looks good. So, we're happy. All right. Yes. Um, I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve the water plants for 360 South Mr. Street. Excuse me. Second. All fi got two full size. I'm going to add it
to the status. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate you. Thanks for the demo. Thank you. Good presentation. Appreciate it. Uh and just for next steps uh for the contract service to pick up any sort of signed plans, do you know kind of what the timeline of the process will be for them
to check off the box here with the water department or it'll be all set basically? No, you're basically all set. You got a um contractor or you guys would come in uh fill out the paperwork there at the office so we can get the uh the actual setup in the computer because there's not an existing lot that's there. Yep. Um pay the connection fee
and then you're ready to go and we'll be out there and do inspections and whenever you guys are set up to go. Awesome. Thank you all for your time. Thank you. Have a good day. Thank you. Uh South WA Street, we have an upgraded schedule. We do. So,
uh we began work out there or I should say the contractor began work out there on the 19th. They were doing some test uh digging uh to verify. We actually had some conflicting reports from a previous engineering firm on what the Dr. Lion
Main connected to in 2008. Um, oddly enough, the the engineering plans that we had were incorrect. So, it's a good thing that we did the test pits. Um, ultimately a decision was made to make a connection to the larger main, the 12-in ductal from 2008 instead of um the
smaller main that was installed mid80s. Um, so there is going to be um a change order for that. It just made made more sense to uh to do that. Went out there. No, no, that wasn't okay. That's right. retract that. Yeah,
it's been a week. Erase that. See, it'll it'll come up later. We'll need one for sure. Um they back up there today to uh to run the pipe and actually run into the main that was there. Pulled the cap off the end of it. So, we
did did a little flushing down there afterwards. It happened. No, unfortunately we did. Um so, oddly enough, we've always had a flow restriction down there. Yeah, we actually found that one of the gates that was down there that we knew was to be a backwards valve only operates about
3/4 of the way open or 3/4 of the way closed. Oh, nice find. So, that's definitely the reason why we're down there because there's some unknowns and some concerns that we've had. Um, good find. We had to go further back. So, the the shutdown included uh Dean Street intersection at South
Worester all the way down to Parker Court. So, it's a large large stretch because there are no other known valves that are there. Um, we went to the ones that we knew operated. Yeah. Um, oddly enough we uh it was last year that we
excavated this gate valve that we had to operate today and actually had to replace the operating nut because it was rotted off and there was unknown knowledge of what this actually tied into. It made sense where it was, but being that it was rotted off and in such poor condition, we opted just to replace
the nut. And thankfully it worked in our favor as necessary today to avoid a majority of uh Harvey Street and everything being shut out. So thankfully one thing worked in our favor with this even though it was unforeseen event unscheduled shutdown. Um you know I
don't think there's going to be any major problems down there but they still have to run through some areas that got some serious rock and ledge. So um each shutdown that's required there will be the same elongated piece unfortunately this we'll
have to deal with. So, but uh I think they got in three or four, maybe five laps a pipe. They said they actually moved pretty good today after the unfortunate happening that happened this morning. So, we'll take a win when we can get it. Um flushing actually was relatively simple. We had a high point
at Parker Court. There was some air and uh we were uh we were slow to get out the norm alerts because we are limited with staff here. Uh but notifications did go out. Okay. When it went out, when the water was off, it was probably half an hour later or so. Um when the water
came back on, it was probably about the same. So, we're using our connections at town hall to facilitate the notices. Um and while we're on that, there have been notices that were sent out that were incorrect notifying residents of the shutdown. Somehow it was changed in the
language and there was a notification going around that South Washington Street. will have a portion shut off. Yeah, I saw that. It's not in the header. The header is correct, but the actual Yeah. So, um, again, we're working to get that corrected. It's just multiple channels
to get the once it's out there, get it corrected and redacted or refixed. So, yep, we'll work with it. We'll go from there. Um, we were very lucky to, uh, get the police to approve the road closure. That's made things a lot better. Yeah.
And um we provided some updated closure maps uh based on just thoughts that are there of what's going to work out when they're in certain areas uh to police and fire just so that they're aware in case they have to change their responses to certain areas. Good. So so far so
good. Just starting off uh Zero Nukem Street. All right. So, we actually have a couple sets of plans on this. This is a large uh 40B project. Last I heard it was held up um in some
of the other boards. Um there was a lot of push back. I was on I was on the call for kids. Okay. They uh voted the project it was safe harbor meaning only 10% for they basically denied the project just flat out not asking for their
amendments or changes. No, they didn't. They basically project done. Wow. Okay. So, this is dead in the water. Dead in the water. So, the developer owns the property. So, he is basically zone. He can build five
houses. However, he'll probably also build 10 duplexes of those and potentially could probably do something more, something substantially less. Yeah. This was this was the maximum
thing that he could fit on there after having discussions with what they came back with. Um this is we've talked with him, John and I had had conversations with him going going way back. Uh he has secured an easement to property that connects his land out to Nuland Street.
So he does have everything required to make the water main loop from the two streets where it was planned tower and to tie it to the sewer out on Newland Street. um depending on what's presented. If we were to move forward with what was presented here, that would be another project that would need a
peer review because we'd want to verify that, you know, the additional flows that are here aren't going to have any impact on the small sewer mans that are out there and the sewer station. In that case, probably it was going to make an impact on the voice. Oh, 100%. What about the infrastructure of the water
there? Does that need any kind of upgrade? The water on both streets have age to them and they're not a favorable material, but they do handle significant flows. So, you have an oversized 10-in AC on those areas. So, it would handle
it would actually work pretty well to have a loop in that that area there. Um, I don't think they have any issues with fire suppression or anything like that, but uh, the sewer was again our our concern based on the the limited size that's out on Newland Street running to
the Norwood pump station. So, this will be something I'm sure it's not dead this project may be dead in the water, but I'm sure we'll see other proposals come in. Is this is this located right across from you? Right across from you in the corner. It's kind of like you got
no room. uh oppos well opposite red road but it's um I don't know 200 ft maybe on the left hand side there's a like a driveway right away do you know where Pine needed
drive is okay opposite the Oh yes yes right my friend there yeah I know what you're talking about yeah it's just a they have a long eress okay fact it's it's surprising they only have one way
into this big development. It kind of surprising that it was even passed that test. Yeah, there was it it had changed multiple times over the past year um based on some criteria that you could
have, you know, triple density or something like that. It was it was quite a bit that went involved designing it the way it was maxed out. Um the the only thing that was really concerning is that there was also going to be a community building basically in the center and in one of the meetings that
we had had um one of the things that was thrown out is actually have like a convenience store or a laundromat. So that those numbers, you know, could be anywhere with wastewater flow, you know, so definitely had some some ideas for the
property and I I would expect to see come back, not just sit on that land. Okay. So, we'll wait and see. If you're interested and have some time, you know, do some reading. The plan's a day you can take. All right. In the meantime, superintendent updates, you're busy. Oh,
yeah. This is only half the stuff that I remember to write down. So, uh, at town meeting, you guys are probably well aware that the recotification article was shot down. Um, it's unfortunate that it was proposed all as all-encompassing. Um,
there was language that was in there that the town had worked with to address the new ADUs. So, it's again, it's max density. you can you can create a apartment over your existing garage and that's considered now an ADU. Um it
would be equal to what we call an ADU if it's a separate dwelling. Uh the concern even though it hasn't been specified yet is that more than likely the ADUs will be considered and act just like a condo. So it may be created by one family at one point in time, but later on language
will be in place that it could actually be sold individually. So now you're going to have multiple dwellings on one piece of property with multiple owners. So So that gets into a problem with our regulations where we stipulate that no
resident can supply water to another another person property unless it's, you know, an emergency situation. Um we've run into that and we've actually asked residents to do that. if a, you know, house next door has a service leak, it's not winter time, we can do a hose to hose connection so people don't aren't,
you know, basically forced out of their home while the repairs are being made. Um, but it wouldn't be under any permanent circumstance. So, this gets into a situation where we were really hoping that the town would have had the language in place and we could have piggybacked on it and modified ours. um
not knowing who's going to take the lead with this, there's a possibility that we as a board and as a group might need to get together and amend our current rules and regulations, which is something that's probably long overdue anyway, to address what the options are for these
type of properties now and in the future. So, we've run into this a few times where um an existing home has been changed to a duplex. Not a big deal if it's owned by the same person. You know, typically you see that with family.
Yeah. And then at some point in time in the future, the original owner wants to sell and now it might be split, you know, as a separate home on one side, the other person doesn't want to have that person connected to them. So, it runs into an issue with uh, you know, do
you require an HOA? Do you have a shared user agreement? I mean, you're talking about things that also like the roof. It's a shared roof. If it if it fails, one person has the money to fix it, the other person doesn't, you know, how do you how do you manage that? So, um, what
I've heard from other communities that they're running into the same situation. Um, they've either required every connection to be separate and individual, um, which is going to mean a ton of excavations in the road for both water
and sewer. because you're going to require each individual one to have its own separate feed from the the corresponding main and its own isolation valve. Um, others have opted to move and allow a single feed on
both the water and sewer to the main to limit the amount of construction and destruction that happens to the roadways. Um if a shared user agreement is in place between all parties involved um which is similar to what we have now in the condo associations. You'll have
maybe a 2-in main coming in. It'll branch off to a manifold on the private property. Each unit has its own shut off and its own meter. But it's because it's an association. It's an HOA, you know. So there's nothing in our current language that requires all of that to
take place. I don't know what the limitations are as far as what we have a control over requiring that because now you're talking about people getting into into a legal process and having documents made. You you're talking about um addition to deeds, you know, so that that agreement is part of the deed. So
if one person does sell, you know, 10 years from now, they've lived in the house all their life, you know, it doesn't slip through the cracks. Um not to point out one particular area, but unfortunately this has happened on Fernandi Circle. Originally, there was a user agreement there
probably 20, 30 years ago. It was dissolved. All those houses were sold off. I think there was one one remaining person that was down there. It's a privately owned street, privately maintained. The water man broke after there was uh fire suppression run down in the area.
Nobody knew who was going to pay for it, who was going to fix it, you know, but ultimately one person ended up paying to have the contract come in and fix it. I think they all patched it out on their own, but that's the type of situations you don't want to get into and I don't know if it really does fall on this
board or if it falls back on the town. So, I just wanted to bring it to your attention that it's coming. I think we really need to look at our rules and regs and uh we need to address that like sooner than later because um if I just build an AU a
data you would Mhm. I mean it's it's very common and we can understand the housing crisis the way it works. Um, you know, but we just had that somewhat of a similar situation and we were had two properties with one line
back. We made them have two different Y. Yeah. So, there's things that you can do for existing properties and that's what we've worked with over the years. Um, as long as you can isolate one from the other and not affect both by a shutdown, you know, that's something we've been
amendable to in the past. Um, a lot of it actually took place and was required because of the Norton Grove. Those were summer cottages that were converted to full-time units. There was three and four houses connected off of one service because it was done on a Saturday. You know, you don't have plans on anything.
When you respond because, you know, John Smith needs to water shut off so you can get a new toilet installed and you shut off one line. You get five people coming out. What's going on? You know, you could be two streets over. And it's unfortunate that's the way it works. But with a small town, you know, having, you know, lakefront communities like that,
it's not uncommon. you know, when you find things like that is when you want to address it. But again, how can you, you know, enforce it for something that's been existing. It only makes sense to move forward, you know, and when I think though, if you have, if you
have something, you have an ADU, ED, whatever, um, and they're running off uh, the current water service, maybe there should be some sort of requirement. If sold, it needs to be retrofitted. Yeah, it
needs to be uh whether it be on the property with that one service, but you're still going to run into an issue because you know you have that you may not have an easement to allow, you know, say you have so many different variables that are going to be there, but I think
um that's something we can look at. Definitely something we can look at. I would imagine that we should probably get the engineers involved. I'm sure they've dealt with that in other areas and obviously we use Steve's expertise as well. Um to come up with some language just to clean up what we currently have. Um maybe we don't have
to rewrite the book, but just protects everybody in the future. Yeah, you're right. Just something something that should be looked at now that that's pushing forward very very fast. Um try and get ahead of it before uh it becomes a major issue. So since you just said that Yeah.
Everybody in Massachusetts doing this. Somebody else must regulation to do this. MA help us here or I can't imagine we're gonna I'd rather
be the second one than the first one. Yeah. It would be nice to see what other people have and you didn't just use them as a template if not exactly word for word. Um, you know, it definitely saves some time. It's not something that water work, right? I think we're talking about
water and sewer, but but there are there are other communities I think it's just how you want to handle make them do it right away if there's opportunities or give them options form an HOA. Are you mass water?
She just became one. So, you can ask uh Mass Waterworks at MW MWWA, the Mass Waterworks Association. They have uh questions you can submit online and it goes out to everybody that's a member. I probably ask the question out there,
right? See what the majority are trying to find. No, someone might chime in with something that might work perfectly for us. I'm cutting and pasting. So, sure. No, no problem with that either. trying to get trying to get away from always being the last to do something.
Right. We don't want to be the last. No. Exactly. All right. Good. Definitely something that'll you guys will hear some point in the future. Uh seasonal flushing. Um we did not, as you guys know, do a full uh flushing
program. you know, we had limitations on uh on water and um we were using the flow tests, you know, the the fire hydrant flow test and the fire pump test to our advantage. We continued to do that. Um we altered the sequence of the
dead end flushing on this side of town, uh focusing on Harvey Street, Dean Street, um moving up John Scott across to North Worcester and Richton Avenue. Um, knock on wood, we did not have any exceeded. The last, uh, THM and HA
sample rounds, very good. Um, you know, minor changes seem to have done things a little bit differently. Um, can't say 100% that it was caused by the addition that we did to the flushing that the different changes and the longer run times, but it definitely must have helped. Um, we were tracking some
chlorine residuals. We didn't have anything different from what we' seen in previous months, but obviously we'll take an improvement. Good. You know, so does every step forward helps. Yeah. I mean, that definitely gets us uh into a different position. We'll see how
it goes. Obviously, with the the wonderful weather we've been having now. Um water use has been extremely high. Um we also assisted uh Weaten College with filling their Olympic size swimming pool. Yeah. Um they were under a time
restraint to have the repairs done. They had some cracks in the pool at some upgrades they had to do. Um they actually had to dewater the area around the pool before taking the water out because they were worried it was going to erupt because of the high ground water really. Yep. So they did that. Um
equally as concerned after the doing the repairs that they were going to have the same issue. Um so you know we worked with them and and got the majority of the water in the pool for them. they are finishing it now as we are entering the heat wave but with tanker trucks coming in. So you know we do what we can to
help out where we can you know and uh you know even even in our limited state we were able to help them out. So it's the gallons the capacity of that pool that is about 470,000 gallons. This is smaller. Yes.
So again, we'll continue doing some of the flushing of the dead ends, uh, using the flow test to our advantage where we can. Um, we've extended a little bit into some of the neighborhoods in the general area, and it's worked out pretty well. Um, only a few complaint calls while we're out. Mainly, we get
complaints for changes in pressure. You know, people will see a reduction in pressure when we're flushing in the area because it's unilateral. Yeah. And we're doing it during the day. So, you know, it's uh not too many dirty water calls, any major complaints like that. So, we'll take that. Yeah. And that's great.
Continue if the weather works out and we have the water, you know, we'll continue to use the flushing to our advantages. We have some other fire pumps that are coming up. Um there'll be three on Leonard Street that are coming up pretty soon. Uh I believe we have one or two set up on Mansfield A. So again, the uh
the outskirts of town still works out in our in our benefit to just continue the flushing after we had that volume that we couldn't achieve on our own. Great. Great. So we had the um let's see some flashing now on southwest
street southwest street. So I already we already touched on that. Okay. We'll deal with that as as uh things move along. We actually have them using our area here as a layown area which we did for street. So it works out pretty well. They could build a building for us. It'
be great. That that's coming. Um scratch my back. Sanitary survey. Survey. Yeah, survey. Um, we did pretty well on that. I mentioned it at our last meeting. Uh, part of that was having the final security analysis for our cyber
security. So, um, prior to John leaving, uh, both he and I had meetings with, um, a private firm that was working for the EPA looking at cyber security. Um, seeing what they could recommend for improvements. uh individually they've
met with uh the town's IT department and our skate techch OT department. Uh there was some minor discrepancies between each of the answers. So that we're still working through some of the details of that. Um where it's not a combined system. We expected there to be some differences in the answers where one may
have a different firewall than than the other. Um they just it raised a few red flags with the security. Okay. Um so they've uh although they can't can't they do the cyber security separate from SCADA it is
there's two separate parts to it. So the it is our our townwide system here that's everything linked together where we don't use that to access the SCA computer or vice versa right um there's two separate firewalls everything is is separate the the concern was that we do
have a remote link if we have a concern that our skater tech can come in but it's a a multi- authentication process to allow him to access remotely um but that's what triggers the concerns is that you know there is the potential for
an external computer to connect into the SKA system, which could obviously lead to problems. Um, after we explain to them that we physically have to be on site, you know, to allow this link to to come into our system to put in a certain authentication code that you you get via
phone. Yeah. Um, it it calmed the concern slightly. Um, even though they agreed we were in great shape, they still provided us with a list of things that we can do to improve. You know, there's always room for improvement, but the cyber security stuff and the cameras and everything that projected is going
to be all separate. No, it's going to be a third system as it were. You are correct. It OT. Yeah. And then, you know, visual. Yeah. Um, yeah. So, we we have certain things in place that are antiquated that we're going to look to do some upgrades on. Um, they've provided us with links to some possible
grants. Unfortunately, the town doesn't have a grant writer. So, we're going to be, you know, doing what we can to submit, you know, a few of these documents and see if that we might we might have to reach out to them. Um, and uh just see if we can
get get involved with the grant process. Maybe we can learn a little bit seeing some of the templates go through and uh you know, kind of have a boiler plate that we can just pick from and see if we can modify some language. Good. Um because there are a lot of grants out there. I did apply for one a while back for for POS. We were denied. Um which
we'll just go again. Um you know there's plenty out there, right? Yeah. And when you turn away was it was it 3.5 million? No. That that's the other concern is when you turn away monies
like that that it could leave a tarnished look on the town. So I hope not. We'll deal with that as we move forward and time will tell on that. But yeah, all in all, you know, they said that we're uh we're ahead compared
to most other small water departments and sewer departments as far as what we have in place already. You know, so like I said, there's upgrades that are recommended for both IT and OT and we'll work through that process. You know, obviously at the end of the year, we're limited in what we can do. Yeah. As far
as if we had to purchase different equipment or not. So, obviously going into, you know, FY26, that'll be one of the things that we we start working on right off the bat. Um, I don't remember if it was mentioned at a previous meeting, but we do have uh surplus
equipment that was approved by the select board to go uh to auction. Uh we we use Muna Bid, it seems to be the the uh the common um auction site. So, we have a couple vehicles that were replaced. Um they're actually still out here. One of them we were actually
taking parts off to fix uh two of the vehicles that we still have. You we're able to use the bumper and and the body off of the other one. Um so those will be going up in the near future. Also going to have some um um
connections uh elbows, angles, um gate boxes, gate valves, all the big stuff that was left over from the max project. Okay? you know, all big stuff that we're not that we're gonna use and we had to pay for that and we had we were on the hook for it. I remember that the option
was to scrap it but to take it. Yeah. No, we'll take it and we'll put it out and see what we can get for it. So, it's just that's what's out here in the yard. We separated the pallets. We're going to more than likely put it out as as small groups just because, you know, somebody
like another water department may be interested in it. They're not going to buy, you know, the entire lot. It just doesn't make sense. So, we'll spend more time on it individually, package it up and put it up as however we can list it. Is it just uh fittings or is it pipe? There is some pipe. We're only going to
keep a small portion of it just because it is very large. Um, we have offered some of it to the highway department to use as uh emergency installs for covert failures because it is large size and does work. Um, sometimes the corrugated steel takes a little while to get and uh
and the newer style box coverts and stuff, you know, even longer. So, okay. If uh if it means getting a road open, you know, even temporarily, you know, we can work with them and get that in there. Good idea. Um All right. So,
future proposed projects, this this kind of got forced on us, unfortunately, um week or so, maybe just over a week now. um not to indicate that it was any cause of Mansfield Electric, but Mansfield
Electric uh did a scheduled shutdown to work on the grid. So, everybody was notified except for us. They forgot and they notified the MFN because they had wastewater treatment facilities that were going to be out of power for I
think it was from 12:00 to 5:00 a.m. Um it the shutdown affected our Great Pump Station and whatever took place during the shutdown or whatever um went on oddly enough actually tripped many of our breakers in our building to a
neutral position. So, not a not a full trip, like an overcurren, you know, they they went to the middle. It was just kind of strange. Um, it was off for a little while. One of the breakers that actually tripped was the battery tender for the generator. By the time the
levels got to a point where the radio called because it was the middle of the night, generator couldn't start. So, PEX responded, realized it couldn't start, probably putting jump packs on it. It's a monster. You're not going to get to start off of jump packs. You need batteries. Um, so immediately called in
tanker trucks because the wet well was gaining. It wasn't anywhere near a major concern, but knowing that it's the middle of the night and response times are going to be a little bit longer. Um, they took care of that. They ended up calling them southshore generator. Um, advised them before they showed up that
more than likely the batteries are are junk, you know, or it has something to do with that. Um, so they showed up, got batteries in it, got it to start, it backfired once, pumps came on, backfired again, and blew an oil seal.
The oil seal that it let go was actually on the Sparkronic ignition drive. It's a part that you can't get. So, the generator is 34 years old. We ran into this with Cobb Street, which was the reason why it was on my radar, and we replaced it with the project that we're,
you know, just finishing up now. Um, we have the generator text coming out again this Friday to do a final assessment on it, take some parts off, see if it is just a seal that failed and that's why the gear drive came loose or if it actually is catastrophic and it it wiped
out the gear drive assembly on the the front of the Cumins motor. Um, until we know the full prognosis pump, we have pump trucks on standby if we lose power then. Thankfully, knock on wood, Massford Electrics is very good at
power. We idle to use it, but it just doesn't have a good good feeling for anybody that's on call knowing that that's what you have for options. So, do you have any um emergency numbers over there? I do. Okay. The numbers that we had um you know, went to some old old
people, you know, no longer there. Um, oddly enough, we spoke to the um the people from Mansfield Electric, they they said we notified Chris. All right. Well, we have three Chrises that work here. Of course, two of them were on
vacation. Um, the other one we verified that he never got the call. So, come to find out, they called Chris down at the master wastewater treatment plant. Oh, Chris. So he was aware of it and he didn't think anything of us either because he had stations that were going to be
just, you know, it's unfortunate that as a customer we weren't notified going forward. Um so we've we've been added to the contact list. Um myself, the lead sewer tech and the emergency on call phone have all been added to it. Okay. Um,
you know, it'll probably never happen again and it's probably just a weird coincidence that the generator wouldn't run under load where it's run, you know, week after week before. But now we're in a situation where we have to make some quick decisions. Um, we are going to
pull our temporary generator and have it installed there wired so it's on auto start. We have one quote right now that's in. It's going to be about $6,800 per month to have it sitting there and in place. If we do a month-to-month, if we do a
three-month rental, we can get it down to about 45 to 48. Um, more than likely that's going to be the one I'm jumping on just so it buys this time through a new generator in 3 months. So, exactly. So, other decisions have to be made. Um,
the biggest thing that's sticking in my head now is a response that I got from Sfield Electric when I was just questioning what went on. you know, if it was a surge, if if something something went arry from a normal shutdown. Um, in the bottom of the email, it was electrical customers are
responsible for their own suppression. So, obviously, I know it's it's just a, you know, hey, this is this is your problem, not mine. But ultimately, it is our problem. You know, it's a 34 year old station. you know, line suppression,
you know, phase control, anything like that was never thought of back then. And the old diesel generators, you know, that were converted to natural gas, they didn't care. They'd run. They don't care what it is. If you have an imbalance, you know, not a big deal. But these new ones that you're putting in that cost $200,000,
that's something you want to protect. So, not only now we have to look at replacing the the generator that's there with a new one, but we may have to look at upgrading the station. And that wasn't something that was on our radar for another couple years. We were going to wait till Cob Street was done and
then phase in Greatwoods. So what station is that? The Great Station, um, South Main Street, Mansfield. So, you know, the question now to the board is we have phase three coming in at Cob Street. We asked for additional
monies for the pumps and motors because they're 30 something years old. Needs to be addressed. I don't feel comfortable taking that money and asking for it to be swapped to this because it's just kicking that down the road and everybody knows what's going to happen if we do
that. So, I would like approval from the board to get together with Steve, come up with a proposal for a generator replacement and an assessment of the existing building uh the VFDs, the
incoming wiring and what it would be to put in um phase monitoring and surge protection. You know, it may be overkill, but you know, do any of our stations have that? Some of the newer wells have that. The water treatment
facility has it because they're undue, right? You know, it's something that, right? So, if I went for an emergency procurement to replace the generator, it's only going to cover the generator and its visible lead connections to the existing components that are there. So,
I'd still have to present an article to do the upgrades to the building and any other electrical there. To me, it just makes sense to have one contractor do it all, have all the parts that are co-mingled. You know, if if we need a new BFD, if the one that's there right now that's not that old isn't compatible
or isn't recommended for what we have, you know, it just makes sense to do it all at once. So, that's going to be expediting the project. You know, this would be phase one of the Great Woods project couple years ahead of schedule. But I would say and Steve can probably
come back at a ballpark number on this. I think the generator is going to be close to 200,000. It's 175KW generator. Um I know you know phase monitoring is not inexpensive. And then same thing with surge protection whether it's all combined
into one. Um so you're quickly throwing big numbers a lot. Do do we need a vote on that? Because I think this is a no-brainer. I I think it's a no-brainer. I I I don't know if we need a vote on it, but definitely moving forward, we are going to have to fund the design. I
think we should authorize that to happen, get the proposal when we Okay. So, we need to figure out how to fund the design work. So, this is going to take some leg work between Steve and you know, our engineers. As we did with Cob Street, it was done
in multi-phase. We had a full design that was done, then we went to um you know, project bidding and stuff like that. So, we're going to make sure we pay Steve all this time. Steve needs this money. Um, you know, I think and I Steve and I had talked earlier not to put words in his mouth. I think they could possibly start it working under
the general services contract um that you guys will probably hear later on uh this evening because it's going into FY26. U but it fully can't be funded out of that, right? So, no, we're not. We're talking about putting something in the fall town meeting um to possibly fund
that, possibly put monies back in general services and just get going on. I think there's any question I can speak for these guys. I think we that's something else. I assume that was that was going to be what we're hearing, but I had to present it. Yeah, it's just process. So other than the generator is saying they they're going to fix the
generator and model upgrade everything since it's 34 years old. I would at least want an assessment on the existing conditions of the electrical services that it might be fine. It might be adequate, right? But it's always good to look at it now. I mean, that's good. It's a good to me. It's way above
something that I can do. It doesn't make sense to bring a separate uh electrician in to do that. You know, if we're going to have a project, let's let's design it and have everything work together. Yeah, I agree. Okay. All right. Sure. Very good. All right, Steve. We'll have to
get together and uh work up some numbers on what we can do to start that and then we can get an article articles together for the uh for the full meeting. You want to start with an assessment? Yeah, I think uh we do the full-blown engineering agreement. Let's just get an
assessment and a quick So, we could do that under the general services. Okay. And get an assessment done. That's just a good place to start, I think. Yep. All right, moving on to Wesson and
Samson. Who wants to go first? Before you change that? Sure. One question. Are we replacing John? We're working on that. We have an interested party um internal party. Um
there is quite a few questions that need to be cleared um with the town manager before that can take place. and uh he's been difficult to get a hold of in his uh in his last few weeks. He's been uh having a lot of traffic in the office. So, you're going to vote in this a
tempor temporary assist acting manager. I haven't heard either way. Is it on? Okay. I haven't Well, I start advertised the Thursday night. Okay. I can give that out as well. I don't know if you know Brian Clark. Does that ring a bell?
Does not ring a bell. Brian Clark. Brian Clark. He's a police chief. Maybe that's police chief. Well, let me say take me one minute to figure it out if I can figure out where
[Music] it sucks. Just a little heads up. You call me at any time. I mean, I got their emergency numbers. So, I mean, it may not have eliminated problems. Yeah, we could have manned the station.
That That was my biggest concern. Had we had known. Maybe it could have been avoided. Maybe not. Maybe not. Maybe it's just the way for some reason. I can't wor. All right.
Yeah, type in the agenda. Um, discussion or vote to hire Chief Brian Clark as acting town. Oh, wow. We know him. Yes. Police chief. I sat next to him during town meetings.
Very good. I gave him some M&M's. He was happy. No problem. You've probably known there forever, right? I have. I mean, is that something an acting town administrator would work on as personnel? No, I don't see why not. It's it's required, you know, to uh to go through the
motions. Okay. All right, Mr. Kerson, you are on literally excellent. We covered Elm Street. I think we pretty much covered everything. That's what I'd like to
hear. Yes. Anyway, they haven't heard from Ryan yet. Yeah. Ryan to say anything. Uh I was going to say you could just update him on the uh Norton public schools uh construction that's going to hopefully start in late July.
Talk about that. It's just a quick update on it. We're uh looking to start construction with Aqualine at the end of July. um slightly modified work plan. Uh they're going to reroute the force mains over there. Uh connect them each into their individual service. Um
and then provide the gravity sewer infrastructure, but they're not going to do any of the pump station modifications. They're going to forego that until they have more funds for it. So, um, they'll have the option to plug in, uh, via gravity, but there'll be
some more leg work and some more work to do to try to figure out how to do it. Is this the middle school you're talking about? The high school. High school and the L school. Then the L school. Okay. Yep. What's What's going on with the Valentine property and and that's uh
Have we heard anything from them at all lately or? They are still interested in pursuing Yeah, I know they are. Um, but I haven't heard anything. That's why I It's been a little while. I remember seeing an email come through. Um, believe John might have been on that. So, it would take just a little while. Um, yeah, they were hoping that there
was a possibility of moving that uh that grant money over to West Main Street. The Elm Street grant money. Yeah, we did have a discussion with um uh the representative from from EPA and it's a completely different scope. So, it would be a full new submitt.
That's not feasible. No, it's it's not something that that works unfortunately, even though um it definitely would have been a great use for it. Yeah, sure. All right. All right, Ryan. Thank you.
No problem. You good, Steve? Yeah, I think we're good. That was fancy how he did that. All right, Mr. Tara. Thanks, Steve. You bet. So, while they're still on, I might as well step a little bit through those.
Brian sent an email to Frank today with the standard FY26 water and also the wastewater general services. So, we have those for you guys to look at today. Um, for the email, there is a slight change. what we did instead of having a uh we were doing basically a rate chart with
multiple different staff members and kind of different rates for them, we're just going to go with a one flat rate for everybody. Just mark them off the same. So make it a little bit simpler um and straightforward. But so on the average it comes out pretty much the same, but it's just a little better for
our accounting system and then also just for you guys moving forward too. Okay. Cuts down a whole page of these. Um, so I have the uh general engineering and consulting services related to wastewater issues and assignments for FY2 2026 for $50,000.
So that's well that's the same as last year the same as anything else other than actual payment terms are exactly the same 50,000 every year. Um there's breakdown for um you know the standard attendance of meetings um also assistance as needed with developer use which we've kind of switched over to
just invoicing developers working directly with them and then also um any kind of as needed services. So like you guys were just talked about the assessment for um railways station. Okay. Great. And then random stuff on the water side that we just come up
with. Yeah. Just random weekly. No, this is budget. You have a budget. Sorry. Yes. So, we can go ahead and move this in the ball. I think so. All right. I go ahead and make a motion to approve the agreement of engineering services between the town of Norton and Western Samson for general engineering and
consulting services related to wastewater issues and assignments for fiscal year 2026 in the amount of $50,000. I second. All in favor? I I Great. We have to sign this one. That one is
the last. Yeah. Just the last page. So Steve makes it difficult. There's just a one to sign or I actually have another Well, there's three copies there. Um Oh, there's three copies in this. Okay. Then there's um and then one exactly.
Yeah. get into that, Steve. The chart that shows the recommended water man replacements. Um, we did move a few out of the actual boxes based on importance. Uh that does have marked off completed but I can
think I asked you that at one point that I took them on my wall in my office. How about that? I know you'd be impressed. Don't ask me why. That's I was just
about to I need to tell my wall. How about that? Fair enough. She's paying um should be and then uh got a pretty much identical contract for $50,000 for the general engineering approval. Yep.
I will go ahead then and make a motion to approve the agreement for engineering services between Norton and Weston and Samson for general engineering facility services related to municipal drinking water issues and assignments for f fiscal year 2026 in the amount of
$50,000. I second. Uh second all in favor. I a brain cramp that was. Oh my gosh. Yes. Jeez.
recording. Peace. Okay. to water updates across the board. Um feel like it says a lot, but well four, we actually started to mobilize the Sen Frank Sullivan went back out there. Um
we actually had an issue with his frame. I don't know if you've heard that update. That was just recently. I just got that text message um today. So, uh, their goal, they're still going to list materials and equipment, but they're going to they're they're off next week for the holiday and they're going to try to go back here on the seventh and hopefully the crank's ready to go for
that. But screens, um, ready to be installed when they're ready to install. And then we kind of briefly chat a little bit about this with Derek over at the treatment plant, but um, similar to what we did over at, um, when we did five and six, we do need to do a 48 hour test.
to coordinate that in advance. Once we get that screened in though, we're ready to actually run that test. The goal is to try to get that done this um this summer. Um if we have something like this going on, I don't know if we're going to be able to he said, "Well, we're not going to want to do that." But um we just we we run the rails a little
bit more continuously 24/7 to make it so there's not as much we want to hold the office, but we don't make any adjustments there. So Kevin McKinnon with the groundwater hydrog group will be coordinating directly with that. Would you say that's a 24-hour test? 48. 48.
Yep. And so four, five, and six are all right in that two are on one side of the river, one on the other. So they're all in that basin. So we just want to make sure we got So that won't affect us in the middle of the summer. It shouldn't. Um, but again, we want to make sure tanks are topped off. We want to predict like if there's not a, you know,
something crazy like this is just ridiculous weather. So basically, I don't want to do anything that's everything is stressful. Well, it's going to rain this weekend anyways. still but you know everything will be all right. It's not just it's not just the water on the city. So any everything's stressed
when it's hot out there. So well it's going to be 70 degrees. You got to turn the heat on. Yeah. Um so so that's that's moving. I'll keep you guys posted but I think our next meeting hopefully update that. So that'll be good. Um, as far as Cottage
Street, so uh, that moved forward. We've actually started to get some, uh, questions coming in from the contractor. Uh, we'll be, you know, hoping to roll with some shop drawings. Uh, if there's any kind of snags, I'll keep it posted. But, um, for the most part over the next several months, we'll just be reviewing shop drawings and waiting for an
official schedule from them when they they anticipate coming back out. But, the goal would be to take that tank fully offline, the large 2 million gallon tank, that's not going to be until winter. So late late fall into winter and the goal is to have that up and running um well in advance of May of
2026, but the hope is to get on sooner sooner than later. So they've been well aware of this project. Um we're hoping for a favorable schedule. Knock on wood. So no major issues, but that'll be a nice tank cleaning too. Get in there, check it all out, see if there's any other issues we can get in there. We're also going to have them when
they're on site do a little bit of an assessment at um at the 3 million gallon site. like to get that on the on the books as something that you can take a look at. How can we optimize that? What's the 30 million gallon tank? Which one's that one?
Oh, yeah. Yeah. But it's not really I mean it's it was constructed by the whole more or less. You've got a lot of dead water and then we want to see if we can maybe do a couple different options. What might be the cheapest route? We fill the tank in to where the pump's going to actually activate and
and utilize all that water. No, we're not doing any kind of irration or anything in that that tank, are we? I wouldn't recommend any irration over there for now. The main culprit in the area of what we've did for modeling wise and the point of residual is the center of town and moving out. So at Cottage Street, that's the biggest water kind of
you know fills cottage street elevated and then further down you've got your other elevated. So getting that online and then that'll impact the rest of the whole you know um I would say western quadrant if you will or northwestern quadrant at the top. So um and then the
3 million gallon tanks I mean there is what we're going to do in our in our analysis alternative analysis which I'll talk about in a little bit. Um the goal is to just take a full look again. We want to finish up this this water storage study that we started. talk to you a little bit about those options and
really discuss the amount of volume you have on site and and and versus what your actual needs are and link that with what we're also talking about for upgrading your sources and or potentially you know teaming with neighbors and purchasing water. So, um, we're looking at this holistically.
There's some amendments, a lot of lot of stuff, get good things coming out of the ACO. I know AC are a little scary, but um, so there's some long range planning that that we're going to we're proposing to do um to be in compliance with PDC over the next two years. So um but overall yeah that right now just the
short answer I think you need to do something different in 3 million gallon tank but that's until we we fix the issue of why you can't pump all 3 million gallons I don't there's no point in putting a mixer in there it's it's also not a really a high risk area your
thms are not that zone was there something that the pump is just too high of a tank and it can't yeah like is it six feet or 8 feet of dead water okay yeah yeah so they're able to kind manipulate it to kind of get a little bit of an action where it get kind of
it's not uh as easy as just putting a pipe on the end of the pump that goes down six feet. So, so there there's I I don't know the full layout up there, but I will tell you that it needs to be engineered and we haven't got we haven't gotten into the that fully, but there's
a lot of options that it's a lot of storage and and you're not using it anyway. So the goal would be to to potentially modify that tank and and take get in that tank and see it's a relatively new tank compared to your other but um you know build
uh it's kind of your like TPC area that yeah prior to TPC um you have uh the building that's out back it used to be Polaroid now it's Auto Parts International U basically across from McDonald's there's a there's a wide driveway out back and you can take it
around to our facility. Did they do a little bit of snapping maybe on a elevation data maybe or something? Yeah, something something was off. We we've that went online in in 2000 and if I believe correctly was right around when I had started. It had
already been out of warranty before it even went online. Um there was some issues with uh one of the pumps being installed backwards. It it seized. um myself and another operator had you know the challenge of replacing that just to get it functional right um there's
definitely some some upgrades that are required down there uh VFDs uh drives things like that you know it it is operational um as needed for emergency basis um generator needs some work down there so it's a site that
definitely would it can work if necessary it's just not something we have in full automatic Yeah, it's definitely a hand operated facility right now. So, yeah, as Terry was saying, the uh the pumps will actually cavitate when they shut off if
the water level is below the building level. It is, you know, design flaw. Not really sure exactly what happened. Um, but it's it's unfortunate to have such a a nice facility in the wrong spot of town. But it's yeah need some things a
little bit of work low little bit low priority but at some point we just want to when we have the experts out there with bouncy tanks and options we'll see if we can get them in there and um we'll see we want to finish up two million gallons of part of the reason we asked for a little bit more money. Um we might
be able to do a change order get them to go in there and do an inspection as well of the 3 million to see where we're at. We want to find out how much 29 but there's there's a decent amount of work that could be done right like a preload
the concrete thing preload or whatever I might have been back or GM tanks now but 2020 would have been yeah 99 or 2000 it was was built I think it was y so they they had records of
their the information but um again they weren't in charge of the actual on station pretty soon. Um so so um I don't know that there but yeah so we're we we still need to kind of set up a meeting to talk to you guys
about the overall um storage facility study that we've done. We have a few minute analysis that I'd like to kind of set up a um you know executive session kind of talk through alternatives with that because there are some implications with some other things as far as costs and you know links a little bit with POS
a little bit too. So um so we can we can set that up. The original plan was to do that several months ago. There's been a lot of this year has not been great right so far. We're looking forward to FY26 and and uh a fresh start. So when you're ready for that we can we can get that moving again. We're on pause. Focus
a little bit more on the ACL and the current, but whenever you guys are ready. When you say US guys, you'll talk a lot guys. That's Frank. Talk a little bit more about Frank. Okay. I missed a couple months. Yeah. So, the start of the year we were going to have
one and then Frank was out and John's out. It's mostly just uh we want to review with Frank and Derek and talk through it and think to the next level. right? Um before we heard that from you guys basically because we made some updates based on an initial review from
last year and got some revised costs for 2025 and now we're kind of into um so uh we'll keep you posted but um that'll be something that's it's a little bit burner you know we're not we're not going anywhere we still have a contract we just pause that contract
about five months away um so as far as the FY26 contract to sign that Um the other we talked a little bit about soft wister street. I don't think we need to get into that too much but day three. So let's hope for better results as we go
along. But um we we did eliminate some bypass on that that roadway that will save you guys about $200,000 or so. Um they're going to hopefully be good about this and not you know the the water man is
tough to find but you know but hopefully they don't find it. existing. But um so we're we'll keep that y'all posted on that. But the whole goal with that is to um we got detours set up so to pretty much bypass everybody across that. You know, local obviously residents can get to their homes, but we're trying to
reroute everything else so they can really have enough room out there to to do the do the job that they can without the bypass. So So that might be under a little bit through, but um the goal is to try to wrap that up. We started um after school at all out to try to minimize any impact to uh to students
and stuff like that. And if we need to, we'll we'll reach back out to the school systems um you know once and and daycarees and whatnot um school buses. But mostly uh the goal is to try to get the water main work done by the end of the the summer before school starts back up. Awesome. And then permanent
trenching, which I did kind of send a separate email because chief emailed me separately and then emailed to you. But the goal is to try to do permanent trench paving sometime in the fall after everything's settled for a little bit and then come back next year with um with final for both East Hodgeges and uh
and South Wister underneath uh the highway department's budget. So well I should say their their annual contract and then through the water department's budget. Great. Um and then I have a little bit of detail to talk through. Steve brought up some good questions that I wanted to kind of chat through. I
sent um we've been modifying this amendment for about a month and a half. Uh but I think we've got it down now. What we what we need to include here. So this is the amendment to the water quality and PEOS treatment alternatives analysis. Um we we really wanted to put in a little bit more of the next year
and a half of what we need to do to kind of address all the acco. So we have the manganesees over uh well one fundamentally the the goal here is to apply for a grant for that put up a temporary treatment system over for manganesees and then uh you know move
forward still with what the original scope was was to analyze well one and two talk about maybe a well field between those two discussions on maybe replacement of well one replacement of well two just give you an options analysis of that we've added in the uh I think it's I'm gonna say de just because
I'm on de trade It could be the deeders well. I'm not sure. But the two wells in in Taton Mass DP had brought up that there's the potential that they're not being currently utilized. Maybe there's a way to facilitate some water across the towns and and and kind of discuss that.
Um Taton, they're in Taton, but they're in um yeah, so they're they're not too far away, but that would require some some pumping in and the longer water means, but we want to take a look at that. Um but they also haven't been I don't think based on the information
that mass TV provide us and what we're basing this on we don't believe that there's any recent water quality testing as far as heat box goes. So um we've put in this still to have our team do exactly what we did with well two put a temporary pump in there. We would need to obviously work with Tom before this time. So, there's some initial
coordination to just talk through this. Um, but then, you know, get get a temporary pump in there if there's not already a pump in there and then do some water quality analysis and just figure out exactly what that is. Make sure what you guys need for treatment over one and two matches in the same sense with that.
It's an alternatives analysis. We want to put a kind of all the cards in the table. Give you kind of a rough idea of what the future could be. Um, so that's one of the op options that we added in. Um, you know, another option was discussion that was also brought up during the acco by by mass DP
potentially talking to Eston. They have a new POS treatment plan. What do we do? Maybe maybe bringing well three over there for treatment. These are very con high level conceptual quick hits and thoughts at the ACL meeting, but we'll we'll take a look at that, coordinate a
little with East, see what their thoughts are on that. Um, give you guys an idea of what that looks like. Um and then you know another option was we've talked a little bit about this uh in the past but also purchasing water at Mansfield out of a burrow potentially also uh the dale plant. Um so there's a
couple options there that we want to just put all the cards on the table. Initially this was looking at more of what do you want to do to your existing infrastructure and you know there are other options out there. I think it's it's it's a it's a good opportunity to take a look at, you know, what's the potential current cost, what's the
future cost, net value, kind of take a look at, you know, your long-term um, you know, goals and and having more of an option instead of having well one with many and well three with POS as emergency solution, which maybe isn't also, you know, something that you kind
of consider too when you but D would prefer to kind of remove the magnes um secondary contaminate off of the list and remove PA frost too. So, lumping it all together a little bit. Um, think I've covered most of your your ideas
there to talk through. Um, we are going to also kind of address several other items. We did not include this in here because it's a little bit higher price tag and I don't I don't at this point I'm hoping that you have enough funding to do this at least. But we do need to take a look at your UDF again. Um, what
unidirectional flushing program. Okay. Taking a look at you know and maybe that's kick that down a little bit, but we had originally designed it around pumping directly from the treatment plan and out um and taking a look at, you know, where your larger users are, updating the model, getting getting
everything in there. Um I think that, you know, based on some flushing experience in the past, you guys know your system. We want to make sure what the model shows valving wise is accurate. I know that um back in the day that the town had basically GPSed a lot of valves and they're not very accurate.
So, we had best fit a little bit and maybe it's at this point we want to talk a little bit through of getting a little better accuracy there. Um, asset management plan and grants. There's there's a bunch of things that D wanted you guys to do and put applications for. So, that's pretty much all covered in
this. Um, but the main goal is to try to get you guys funding for um for the manganesees treatment. And then I think it's a little premature. Uh the PES project evaluation forms for SRF funding are due in in about four weeks. We're not getting through this this study for
long-term PAS treatment options by then. But I also if there's other options where instead of upgrading POS and you decide to purchase water, I think that we will push this PEF application off until next year. Um so your goal by the end of 2026 is to have a game plan where
where are you going to go having this alternatives analysis done? We've got some water quality testing we're going to do throughout your system as well as the treatment plan. Already included was kind of taking a look at the TOC issues at the treatment plant. Uh we've added a little bit extra time to kind of address a little bit more of what we've talked about through with with Derek over the
plant. Um so it's I think at this point it's it's extremely comprehensive and and it can workflow as as needed as we start to do a little bit more investigation. we can spend a little bit more time doing a little bit maybe pre-esign if we can eliminate some of these analyses a little bit kind of off
the front. So you got this contract today. It was emailed to you guys. Yeah. Today I I went through it more or less. Yep. Yeah. So, I think the biggest thing that uh I just we didn't just to confirm
um I mean as we always do we won't we don't move forward with contracts unless it's signed off on by I'll make sure but there was some reallocation of funding um that went towards water quality peos and wells. So that's what we're hoping to was to to cover this uh this larger amendment but um it's a good step in the
right direction to kind of address the uh the concerns. Um, so it's an amendment and and I think the best probably the best thing to look at and this is if you guys are ready to prove this, but we had the original
contract amount was for right on the flip side here was for 159,700. We're adding 249,200 for a total of a little over 400,000. So um folding from here and then as I said
s like if there's anything we come across as we go through this that over the next six months um office says they don't want to do anything with the wells we can repurpose that money towards you know pre-esign solar designs if you want to but this is more than just a
baseline. So the the last two pages were the amendment, right? The rest of actually we cut we cut pretty much so anything in bold make it a little bit easier. What we did was we took the article 2 scope of services and deleted it in bold and
then added in the entire new and revived. So a little bit bold text you can tell what we did differently. So I reviewed only the first six pages which was well there's only six pages. So, right, my copy came up with 18 copy pages. What you sent it to me
repeated three times. Oh, maybe I got it. I thought I in case you want to know. So, when I print to the printer and then I printed a PDF, it probably scattered three. Yeah, just like that. All right. So I will make a more a motion to approve amendment number one
to the agreement for engineering services between Norton and Western and Samson for water quality and PAS treatment alternatives analysis in the amount of $249,200 to bring the updated contract value to $48,900.
I will second, but I have a question. Thanks. So on the funding of that 200 and whatever you have now you give them we have money somewhere there was monies that were transferred from leftover accounts previously for the original
amount. Um I had discussions with John about additionals fundings that was in there and we'll have to verify exactly what's left because additional money has been moved um since this whole thing has started. So um funding funding will need to be found for this. Obviously, it's a
requirement with the ACL. Um, so if it's not, you know, even if it requires a town meeting vote. So, is this money that um was from budget from our enterprise fund? Yes. Okay. Yep. Either left over
from previous articles. Um, you know, that came in under budget and transferred. Typically, we go through and we clean up the clean up the books every so often and uh we'll fund it that way. I know we're going to vote on this and stuff, but you really should read this because it's really incredible what they're going to do. I mean, I think it
I mean, I had a number of questions I about all the different potential sources of water. This was emailed to us. I did today. Oh, okay. Anything after 1:00, I probably missed it. I just happened to
catch it and I printed it before. We've been we've been working with Frank on yeah like I said for about six weeks kind of talking through and well it kind of stems back to the ACL when we were talking about agreeing agreeing to certain those terms and this basically
helps you get to the point where you will have answers for that ACL by December of next year as I said earlier and I don't know if I said during the meeting Kimble mentioned to me maybe it's meeting I don't remember
that they want us to come before the selection meeting to talk about destinization plan. So they want to join meeting. No, no, I'm just saying they Yeah. And of course when he started I didn't know anything about it. So I was
a little embarrassed that I didn't know. I mean I know about the details of plan because how long been around? Since 2000. It's been around for quite some time. So I know anymore, but I did know that it was on our potentially.
So it'd be an interesting meeting to invite us to the meeting to talk about it. I don't know what you guys Yeah, we talked about it a long time ago when Bernie was here. Um when I first started, there was quite a bit of talk about it. uh running lines up Hodgees
Street is it or there was discussion of Hajes Street. Ultimately, it was determined to go South Washington Street. South Washington um go into the industrial park and actually exit onto 495 to go down I believe one exit to Route 138. Um there were monies that
were appropriated for it. There was water manes that were installed at our expense. Um, and all of it came to a a grinding halt when Mass DOT refused the approval for us to actually put the water man or a contract to have the water being put in on 495. So, it's it's
unfortunate that uh it turned out that way after such an investment was made. So the way it sounded to me was we could turn the valves and have the water come up. That how I was maybe to say it that way just but that's
how I interpret not quite that. Yeah. And there's there's also there's discussion on at that point. Um I I'm pretty sure where that plan is but intervas transfers there's there's a lot that's a nightmare in itself. Yes, it
is. Can't be. It's not impossible, right? No, it's just an angular. Um, well, to finish off the vote, all in favor I I Are there three copies of these? There are. These are the second.
It was a little hot. three. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. So, one of the main things that's been discussed here and it's been with others as well is what'll happen if we determine that the best option is to modify what we currently have as far as
the $1 million magnet removal facility. we would still require a connection to an external community to supply us with water while those upgrades are being done if it can even be performed at the existing location based on the limitations that were
there. So that's where some of his other discussions come in about purchasing water from surrounding communities, whether it be as a full-time solution to removing wells one and three the two problems um or whether it just be a temporary solution while we go and
address and make modifications to what we own. So [Music] thank you. if he has any other water questions overall. That's pretty much it on those next meeting. Um, one thing I miss
something. I'm sorry. Yeah, we got Oh, the abandonment. I'm sorry. Yep. Yep. We're looking right at that. So, 66 John Scott Boulevard. Oh, yeah. What about it? She wants her bill abated.
333 Southwest Street. Oh, that's it. You guys want to rub it off later on? Um, looks like there's been estimated meter readings for this going back quite a bit.
Mees is an estimated reading, correct? So, she's been having estimated readings going back to 2007. This is what she said. Yeah, Steve actually has something on us. Is she going to tell us what? No.
Did the meter get replaced? It just got replaced. So that's the zeros on the top there. Yeah, she reads it back. She told me that this has been a problem since 2007. Yeah, that's what this says going back estimated going back to 2007.
There's 30 units in the company. Is that what she said? No, I think I think that she was being built for 30 units. She was built 30 units from 2008 to 2021.
But I I don't know why we would debate anything. I don't understand either. I don't either. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't I don't understand. So in in 22 the 30 goes to 35, then it goes to
40, then it goes to 45 and 50 55. That's the increases to let somebody know, hey, this is an issue. Yeah. So if cars were left, notifications were made. um you know, you can't get a reading after a certain point in time. Um historical practice is
to put an elevated use on the estimated read so that likely it prompts a phone call, they've noticed some type of a change and you know, usually that is how we get contact with people um who do not respond to the notices. Um do they
typically wait till it gets up to 55 units before they call? It is very uncommon. Um there were there were multiple accounts that I can recall in the early 2000s um that uh we were unable to obtain readings. I was actually one of the meter readers back then. Um we would leave hundreds of
those red vertices on people's doors and a lot of times you you would go back you find it in the trash you know. So there's a possibility that one or two of them may have been missing but not you know quarterly reading since 2007. There is um we've spoken with other residents at
the time who had mentioned that they received it and weren't concerned, you know, with us getting in to change the meter. It wasn't a priority for them. So, there's multitudes of reasons we could come up with why they weren't able to respond to us or did not respond. Um
you know, ultimately at some point this person realized that their bill was was very high and uh and did reach out. That's how the meter ended up getting replaced. And I believe she was just reaching out to see if there's anything that can be done for an abatement of the bill now realizing it's been estimated
for, you know, a very long time. Yeah. So, I'll ask the rhetorical question. Is there anything we can do for her that should be done? There's there's nothing that I can see that's that's a
requirement of the board. Um the pre the last two billing cycles I believe was zero use. Uh something we'll definitely have to keep an eye on um because that seems extremely low. You know, for a household not to have a minimum use um
should still get the minimum charge because 0 to four bill seems kind of weird. Unless there's just no way living there. But they just replaced the So the first there's two zeros, right? Yes. First zero would have been the new meter going in and then Okay. just like
initial but it basically means in 3 months the meter hasn't moved. Correct. So the new meter hasn't moved. Yeah. That's almost stranger than going that long with estimated readings, you know. So
the fact that there's a second zero, what does that mean? What do we do? That just indicates that the the meter hasn't moved enough digits to generate a reading. It's very very possible that they could be conserving water and not using that much in a 3-month period of
time. Although it is uncommon. So I guess we make we make a motion for no actions. I think so. I don't see any legitimate uh I mean okay so is so is this meter working? Do
we know the new one is? Well, actually that's a good question. 3D zero still maybe. Is it possible a new meter put in doesn't work? It happened. Anything is possible. Probably not true though. No, likely not. Yeah, it's possible. I don't see how that possible.
But we that's one thing we got to make sure that that that's that's the case because we can't we can't even make if we're going to make any determination, you can't make one if we know if it's this is accurate or not. What about
do you know the card number? Yeah. I don't know what your minimum bill is. No, forget about that. I just want to know what you have increasing. It's Yeah, it's an incremental block. 12 units based on units. Yeah, it's zero
zero to four and increases from there. when you get you don't have to go away. You drop a plant to be right. It's not as simple as it should be. It's an incremental increase so that it it prompts uh water conservation. As you get to the
higher usage, you pay a little bit more for the same amount of water. And we money is always a good incentive to conserve water. Yes. So 0 to four is $6763. 5 to 20 is an additional $544.
And then anything above 20 is an additional $847. And then there's a capital charge on top of that which is 25% of the water charge. What's the first increment the reservoir? Uh 6763
and the minimum capital 1691. So those two added together would be the minimum water bill. Did we previously monitor someone's bill? I mean we really can't do anything. You can't really do anything over a certain amount of time anyways. So, didn't we monitor someone
over a year a four four billion cycles for someone once? Maybe I'm just thinking about uh and I don't know if we really want to delve into something like that because I think that would be a burden would be killing us. I don't I remember a similar
discussion but I don't know what the final outcome was. Yeah. I don't just this Mhm. I thought I thought thought at one time we did that. I can't remember things. You just make a note to look at this again and the next bill. If it's another
zero Mhm. then that might think something's suspect with the meter maybe or Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine they would go 6 months and not clip that meter over one year. You know, even overnight it's going to move.
Showers and whatever they do on normal daily duties, right? You know, it's going to move. Take a picture of it at night, whatever. Anytime. Just see if it moves. I don't know. I I don't I But I don't
think there's really much we can really I don't think there is. I mean, we can really do, like I said, other than just noting it to see if it's another zero. I wish we could, right? Yeah, based on the regulations, it would be within the it would be the abatement for previous from from the previous reading 30 they
they had to respond to us in 30 days to request a review on an abatement. It's only on the last on the last billing cycle obviously isn't even if they did get in the 30 days I don't see something here where we can you know again it would it would open up
the uh possibility of anyone else knowing about this. Oh, hey. Well, they're just waving people's bills because they think it's too high. So, yeah. I mean, I'm, you know, talk like I don't care about or anything, but yeah, I don't think we can do anything
with this. No, I'm going to go ahead and make a motion then to take no action on 333 South Worester Street. I second. All in favor? Hi. Hi. Before you jump ahead, there was a discussion at a previous meeting for another ability that was put
before the board. This is the one um that they were actually raising for uh the police department to try and determine if there was a squatter. Oh, yeah. Property. We have not heard back from them, but I know this was meant to be brought up again at this meeting. So, I just want to provide you guys with an
update that we have not heard back either way. Um, so I guess we can table it. Just wait until the next even if there was an illegal squatter in there. It doesn't really change it. It doesn't remove the usage. It doesn't remove the usage of the water and the responsible parties. Who's responsible?
The people that are that own the me are responsible. Ultimately, the owner of the property is responsible. Wait until we hear back. I would like to wait and see. I don't think we need situation. So should we extend it? Do you want to continue? I don't I don't want to extend
it indefinitely. But um the agenda for the next meeting that is we have to vote to do that or just I don't think it was a vote last time or just discussion. You gave 30 days. I'll just accept one more scar
because if it did come back where they found someone else liable for it, then he can go after that other person for this cost of the water. be helpful. Yeah, it' be it' be a legal matter, a civil legal matter.
So, the next meeting supposed to be on July 15th, but I have a conflict. Is that for the 8th or no? No, the 8th is when I on July 15th. The second Tuesday is the 8th. No, the
8th. Okay. But this is the third. This one was res Tuesday July. Is that too soon to have a meeting? Uh, you'll have less bills to sign. We used to meet twice a month. So, no, it's okay. It's okay with me. It's on my
agenda. It's fine. But I just wanted to make sure that I mean, if it works or you want to it out, I mean, that's that's fine. Okay. for for attend they're used to being here on a true that's a good point. Are you going to be here? I I think he
might have signed off. Oh my goodness. We're losing our audience, Steve. We're losing our audience. I do have one thing that's anticipated. Okay. Um, at a previous meeting, believe it was John that actually might
have brought it up, there was some discussion about how we're having difficulties getting participation for the lead and copper homeowner samples. Um, this time around was equally as challenging. Uh, we do have the 60. I don't have all the results yet, so it's
going to be right down to a wire uh for the deadline. Um, it did require some banging on doors, some, you know, um, discussions with people. Uh there was a discussion that was brought up about providing a rebate or an incentive to
the homes that fit the criteria. Um based on Brook's findings, it was a discussion, but there was never an actual vote or anything on it. I think we talked about gift cards at one time, which I didn't really think was a great idea, but a rebate I thought was a little more seamless and easier, right?
Not for Brooke. No offense. Oh, it definitely adds work, unfortunately, to Brooke. Um when we did something like this in the past with the meter rebate program, it did require approval from the town manager and town accountant. Okay. Because it's allocation of funds, you know, for an unusual
source, right? Um what was presented to the homeowners from us? I don't think anything was actually okay. Presented. There were some numbers thrown around. So we got the 60 without this time around. We did right down to the wire. Um the
idea was that if somebody was provided with a $20 or $25 rebate, um if they provided the water sample, you know, as an incentive, you know, maybe it would prompt future actions to continue so
that we stay out of violation. I mean, it's a it's a voluntary program. I think it was be a one-time thing, though, right? Not 25 bucks every time they get a sample. It won't be every time that they have the sample. Right now, we're we do it twice a year. when changes take place with wells or
water treatment, they have the opportunity to increase the monitoring if they so require or if we exceed um the levels, which thankfully, knock on wood, we we haven't had a problem with with lead and copper even the 90th percentile. Um but you would have to know that there is the possibility that
you know you may have an um an increased monitoring requirement come up in the future. Yeah. To 60. It doesn't go more than 60, does it? No. So it's 60 twice a year, right? So yeah, you know, I'm saying I'm thinking if it's more than likely going to go down to 30.
Probably not anytime soon with with four going online, the analysis going through for for treatment changes to one, you know, each one of those things changes and brings us back up to increased monitoring. Which brings another question, Tara. I mean,
what is the philosophy behind lead and copper sampling? I I I know I know this might even but I mean I mean I know you're trying to understand D but I don't understand what additional lead and copper sampling
um when when you especially if you got no problems in your system you have when you when you meet the 90th percentile and you're not changing the water. Yeah. You're not change I don't I don't I don't get it. I just don't and I asked Jillian this years ago. We did increase
your so we increased your your count your samples because we have adjusted we we put two new wells online well replacement wells even though they're right next to each other and they have very similar water quality that checks the box it need to increase so there's a lot of ways that obviously so it's an increase you increase the number of samp
you're 60 and oh no okay I know but what why is that the quality I don't understand why you have to increase the sampling frequency or or houses it's not a matter with wide numbers why are we doing it at all right your question is
initially why affect I don't okay so so much this is a much shorter answer but that that literally it all stems from you we want to make sure you have the data that shows you're not impacting any
customers okay so good and and it all really it's hot and heavy certainly well after flood Michigan with a major water change. You're not doing that. I get it. What flip? Oh my god. Yeah. But you guys
have been testing for I mean letting out leeching has always been something and it's been but it's more concerned about a difficult we have service. [Music] And you guys have predominate
no lead services. maybe some goose necks here and there which one of the main reasons that we have got the east side and southwest street they're eliminating some of those so but yeah it's not like you get full line services and and full lead services like some other committ no we've been very
good with our sample results and your pH isn't low enough that you're leeching just that we put that table that discussion to our next meeting sure thing not a problem but make it an item you can talk Okay. And before we join the meeting, do
we have to sign the documents or we go the meeting and sign the documents? Oh, yeah. We have to ask, right? You make the call. Oh, now you want to let you go. Well, I can stick around
and I can I can dinner's being cooked right behind you guys still there. Thanks, Steve. I appreciate it. Thanks, Ryan. All right, you guys are all set. Have a good one. Drive safe. Sign them both. Yeah.
Okay. just the first page. Yeah. Somewhere in the front in the bottom corner. the date on these. Oh, yeah. I always check the same. This is
225 South Worester. This was approved at a previous meeting. We were just waiting on the hard top appointments. Another 225. No excitement today. Any other um act items or anything that uh
you want to discuss? [Music] Discussed discussed. All right, then. Uh I move second. All in favor? I thank you very much.