Um 5:30 uh call to order the meeting of the water sewer commission and um Commissioner Bishop is absent today. So it's just going to be myself, Jim Jordan, and Steve Bernstein in attendance. Um, so could I ask everybody to stand for the pledge of please
[clears throat] of the United States of America to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> Thank you, everybody. Uh, first order of business, I'd like to
go ahead and welcome Justin Chica, our new DPW director. Thank you to the fold. Um, thank you for attending our meeting and um, >> welcome aboard. >> Thank you very much. >> And you know, if you want to say anything, you're just
>> No. U excited to be here. Excited to hit the ground running. Uh, I have a extensive background in water and wastewater. Um, and I I look forward to starting with town. Awesome. Thank you for having me.
>> Good to have you here. Um, so moving on. We don't have any minutes, right? >> All right. Skip right over that one. And um, is there anything anybody needs us to take out of order here? We just go
down the list. Anybody have to leave early or anything? All right. We just go down the list. Um, old business 260 South Washington Street. Continue discussion we have here for that. I don't know if I have anybody a resident might have came for 260 South
Washington. >> That's not one of the disputes that we had, right? >> No, this was the one that the town manager actually had a call into town council regarding the easement. So, we were just waiting for >> Oh, I'm on Mansfield A. I called up ement. I don't know if that's your >> Yeah, I was thinking of you. Yeah. >> Okay, good. I'm McGrath. I don't
>> Okay, so that's zero Mansfield Avenue. >> Yeah. So, there's 260. We just wanted to keep on the agenda. Just >> Okay. So, there's nothing pressing to discuss with that right now. Okay. So zero Mansfield A. Uh continue discussion. What's your name again? I'm sorry. >> Ellen McGrath on 29 Mansfield A. >> Okay. Welcome Ellen.
>> So on sorry hi everyone. I'm Marktown man. >> Hi Mark. >> I have mayor Jim Jordan one of the commissioners. I think you met Steve. >> Cool. Um so I I did speak with the lawyer and we are waiting for uh some guidance on 260 South Washington um on
the easement. you know, what was recorded, what should have been recorded, and we'll as soon as I hear back from council, we'll deal, you know, we'll give an update on on that. >> Okay. Okay. >> I I reached out to them yesterday. I'm
waiting to hear back. >> Okay. Awesome. That was the easement for 260 South, the Washington, right? Correct. >> Right. So, it was a water easement, I believe. >> Yep. Yep. >> Familiar with that along the property line. >> Okay. Okay. So, we'll wait to get more
on that. Uh, zero means fail. Then what do we >> Before we go on to that, we're all aware of the fact that we've authoriz we will allow the contractor to proceed. >> You you have background on this >> on zero or 260 South Washington Street. >> We're allowing them to proceed. Well,
well, yeah. I think they, you know, they should build what they need to build there. >> Okay. Long as you're aware of that story. Okay. >> Sure. >> Okay. >> Yeah. We just need to Are they going around the line where the line is or are they moving it? Has that been determined yet? >> No, not they're not. They're building it
around it at this moment in time and we're contemplating changing. >> So, they're proceeding with everything except that one section basically >> and they they have sufficient square footage to do what they need to do. I I thought the line was kind of in the way. No, >> that's the definition I got was that the uh they're not going to be able to
support the line or there's questions on supporting the existing line for where they're building. >> Okay. >> So, I'm surprised to hear that they're going to go ahead and build I guess is my point until >> Yeah. >> Well, they were going to use special foundations and special support of the
pipeline. So, do we even need to address it then? >> But we want to explore it in the future to to look at the alternatives about that. We want to do that. That's the way we were agreed to go to it.
>> A little complicated, a little unusual. [clears throat] >> Okay. Uh what do we have on zero minutes to have? >> So is this the peer review? Do you want to get into the discussion of peer review right now? That'll probably be your longest discussion tonight. So >> yeah, we might [clears throat] as well. We're taking things in order.
>> Okay. >> Sure. Um, so, uh, Steve Peterson with Western and Samson Engineers. Um, so the town asked us to or the water and sewer asked us to look at the current plans. Um, I'm going to just try and talk from my notes. If we want to put the plans out, we can, but it'll go quickly as
long as everybody understands where we are in space. So, um, just little quick history on this. So, the this peer review or this project has evolved >> um, over the last couple of years. is we originally um did a peer review back in
March of 2024 actually was our original peer review that's when level design group was the engineer for Pyern um for this project um and it just so zero Mansfield Dav is a project on Mansfield Dav at the corner of reservoir um just
to make sure everybody's uh familiar with what we're talking about so the original design that came through back then um was for the develop veloper to run a gravity sewer all the way down Mansfield A to Route 123. Uh and their
original directive was um to build something that was consistent with the comp plan, the town's comprehensive wastewater management plan called for ultimately um gravity sewers from where the more recent West Main Street project left off. There's a manhole that um so
there's sewer in uh route 123 and then there's a manhole run that comes off of 123 onto Mansfield app. So there's a manhole for me. Uh the biggest thing we ran into would be, you know, once the engineer for the developer put the plans together, the
developer put a cost to that um and determined, you know, from their perspective it was um the project wasn't going to be built. the cost became an issue in terms of them um having to run sewer over that um length. Um so part of
the original peer review was some value engineering to see what we could do with um minimizing the costs. Um it evolved over time. I don't know all the back and forth with the planning board, but I think the scope of the project changed. I believe their units were reduced a
little so they're um >> and the number of buildings. >> Yeah. their revenues that they were going to see from the project came down some more. So, it evolved to the point where they've come in with an alternative sewer design that is a um a pressure sewer. So, it's a um it's a low
pressure sewer. Um and in discussions with the commission, one of the biggest things from the commission standpoint was that it's still whatever they build um still provide the ability for residents properties along the way. um
to tie in if they need to or choose to. >> Um so the biggest things um about that were making sure there were connections along all of it. Um so the current plan is a low pressure sewer design. Um when we look at that
versus the gravity sewer just from a quick budgeting perspective um it's probably about a million dollars less to build uh the low pressure sewer based on a lot of variables. You know they're building you know the pipe material is significantly less going
from an 8 in or is less going from an 8 in pipe to what they're calling for is 4 in. Uh the excavations are shallower. uh they don't have to need line and grade. So production is going to be um should be significantly increased um with easier construction. Uh one of the
biggest concerns that developer had was um his knowledge of that area, our knowledge of that area and the potential for ledge as well as high groundwater >> um was really going to drive the cost being out in the middle of the state highway with a uh with a gravity sewer.
Um so his proposal um by being shallower um we're going to mitigate a significant amount of that. Um they want to be in the shoulder u which reduces you know a their cost to repave later but also the the disruption police details and all
that. So these are just all the areas where it is going to save costs the way it's proposed. It's all about cost uh and just the overall increase productivity. Um so the project as proposed is 2 36 unit
threetory apartment buildings. Um it's it's 108 bedrooms. So each of the units has um 36 onebedroom uh or it's a total of 36 onebedroom and 36 twobedroom uh units between the two
uh buildings. So, as far as the, you know, based on that and looking at title five and estimated average daily flows, the capacity of the receiving sewer is not an issue down at 123. It was built um designed and constructed with these
future connections in mind from a capacity standpoint. >> So, the capacity takes into account if every single person were to connect [clears throat] up >> in the sewer that's already in the ground, >> right, >> is prepared to handle that area. And another thing important to note about
this area is it's there's not much future as far as the comp plan. There's this doesn't go much further than this. The plan was to bring ultimately to finish sewing around the reservoir. So we would be bringing a piece [clears throat] um half of Reservoir Street would flow
down to Mansfield A and then down to the sewer 123. The other half of Reservoir AB is is scheduled to flow towards Elm Street and ultimately over to the uh the existing system in the Grove area. Um and then there's only one uh side street
uh along the way with limited homes on it. So there's not a lot of it's not like this was going to be an interweour interceptor sewer for a bunch of future areas um to connect into down the road. was very limited to to this um to this area.
Um so one thing um that [clears throat] we went into in our you know as far as sizing of the pressure sewer um we've asked we've made a few comments that we've asked the developer to just get back to us or the engineer for the developer uh to get back to us in terms
of you know how the line was sized. I'm sure they've engaged um the grinder pump manufacturer. They're using E1 pumps, so I'm sure they have a design that that justifies the sizing. Um, so we just want to make sure they're calling for a 4 in. Um, and that should be that should
be right, but we've made some comments on the plans about the future stoves and stuff. One of the biggest things is that this bill, you know, regardless of it going to a low pressure sewer, it's still downhill, right? So the sewer in the street um you know the grade of the
road is still coming downhill. So even with the pumps and the homeowners you know properties along the way are still going to need a pump to get into the sewer. But once it gets into the sewer it's basically going to flow downhill. It is going to flow downhill. So it's
going to act um like a gravity sewer but again with the need to pump into it. Um, one of the biggest thing is making sure there's service connections everywhere along the way. Um, we just we think you just need to make
sure you get a statement from them that when they build it, they will [cough] extend service. >> Yeah, they've they've shown connections. They think they've got most of the properties, but trying to match up the assessor's maps against it couldn't confirm they had all the properties.
There's also their design um is shown to sew all the way they showed it is they're going to sew their two buildings on the property and then come out into the rightway and run down
the road and from talking to Frank before uh in the sewer um your uh sewer rags you what [clears throat] we're proposing that you ask that they do is to run the sewer all the way along the front of their property. Um, so that a
future step, you basically want to make sure that the infrastructure they put in runs all the way along their property and their property, right? >> You don't want to in the future come in and dig up the front of their property again where they're already putting sidewalks in and everything. So, that's one of the comments on the plans is to is that they should extend it a couple
hundred more feet than than what they've shown out in the uh in the right way, which is still in the shoulder, but um just to make sure everyone's picked up. And by doing that, there's some more properties across Mansfield have that they're going to need to run stores to, >> right? >> So again, everybody [clears throat] that
gets fronted and one of the biggest things they're doing to again from a cost standpoint, they're proposing at the property lines to run it one trench across with two pipes in it, one property. >> So it'll be at the corner of the
property, which um >> doesn't exactly put it in the optimal spot for >> not necessarily, you know. So, it doesn't go to the homeowner and say, "Where would you like this left?" It says, "Here's where it'll be." Um, >> they would still be able to get to it. They would just have to run a lateral to wherever they need to go. >> And because they're going to have a
pump, it's less of an issue. They can get they can get it to anywhere. It's just they might have to come across their front yard to get to it. >> And the reasoning behind that, again, it comes down to cost. And with the, you know, when you do the lateral trenches across the state
highway, if you have one every 50 ft, the state is likely to come back and say, "You can't just patch the trenches. You're going to have to do the whole road." So, they're trying not to >> right >> have too many laterals. If they minimize the number of laterals, just patch just patch the trenches, you know, infrared
or whatever, and blend it in. >> Um, it all comes down to how many times they cut across the road. And obviously it saves them money to, you know, if they cut their trenches across the state highway in half, um, it saves money, but there's also be able to get into it.
>> There also wouldn't be a mandate for the the homes, right? Because it's my understanding is Yeah. >> So if there if the homeowner decided that their cost was too high to put this pump, they could produce ethic in if they wanted to if that was cheaper for some reason. >> I don't know how >> I don't know what the cost would be.
>> That might get a little dicey. I don't I think if their system fails, they might not have the option. They might >> as opposed to replacing their septic, I think they then would have to tie in. >> Okay. >> The difference between what we run into with the other projects, specifically
most recently Elm Street, is >> you know, we weren't going to build it unless everybody was going to tie in cuz that's how you pay for these things. So, in this instance, >> it would the stubs would be there, but homeowners would not be required to tie in. It would be there if they if they
get to the situ either they want to tie in or they get to the situation where they need to. It would provide a a convenience at that point, you know, and then they would have to pay the connection fee and and and pay for someone to connect them to the stove that's at their property, including
getting a pump and connecting. [clears throat] >> Um the other thing that we've commented in their submitt is um the depth of cover. They're trying to be as shallow as possible. >> Um we're trying to still hold them to 4 and 1/2 ft of cover uh if at all
possible. Both from a loading perspective, you know, and then frost trying to be below the frost line. Um what's the difference between the the height between the the pressure main and the gravity main? If they do pressure,
they can stay shallower. You said >> they're shall it's a tighter trench and they can be shallower because they don't have to follow a strict line in grade. So through the bumps of the road, but gravity sewers are typically like 8 ft deep in in the road because then you want to get all the laterals underneath all the utilities. Um and you have to
you have to maintain a pitch with the gravity line. So again, with the pressure line being shallower, you you might have some utility conflicts when you're coming across, but they can bend under contour to >> to avoid the utilities. So that's any that answers the question.
>> Thank you. Yeah, >> Steve, one thing I reading here, the gravity portion of this that becomes a gravity, there's no manhold or anything. It's just in there as a 4in gravity >> kind [clears throat] of. >> So it's still a pressure sewer. It's still >> So there's going to be no reason to have a manhole, right?
>> Pressure sewer on that. That would be normal. >> Yeah. So there's manholes at the intersections, right? So we need them to leave a stub. So where they start in front of the property, we want a stub up Mansfield AB towards the bridge at the reservoir there towards the causeway
there. >> Um and then we also need one at reservoir and then we need one what's the at Pit Clark road. >> Okay. >> And um and we've made suggestions on the sizing of those based on house counts. The other thing to be aware of too is it
you know I think these sizes will work fine for the the houses that are there. It's all residential, predominantly residential. Um, with a precious sewer versus a gravity sewer, it does not give you capacity. Like across the street, someone else
tries to build the same thing. It might be an issue with the capacity of that sewer. Gravity sewer would have more capacity. A pressure sewer wouldn't be able to accommodate um larger developments. It would it's being sized for the residential homes that are there. >> Is there anywhere else along that
stretch that could possibly be another big I had talked to Paul a town planner about that and >> there's not much left. >> There really isn't. Right. >> So, should be fine, but it's just something to be aware of. >> Not much or there's nothing.
>> There's I mean everything um there's always something could get developed. >> Couple commercial zoned properties, too. >> It Yep. Yep. Yeah. There's Yeah, there's businesses there, but the the flows are still they're not high water users and there is still some ability for a little
more flow in the future, but it's just it's, you know, if you had an 8 in gravity, you'd have a lot of capacity to work with. You don't with a two or three or 4 in of sewer. So, that's kind of the uh the issues that you need to be aware of.
Uh the other and we talked about the utility crossing. So the other comment we made is it's great that they're nice and shallow now. Um there's but they're required to maintain 18 in of clearance under a water man or a water serent
service when they cross it. If they can't either maintain 18 in under it or if they have to come over it then they have to sleeve the sewer pipe 10 ft on 10 ft total centered on the crossing itself. Okay, >> which is going to be an issue here. As
shallow as they're trying to be, they're constantly going to be right up against the utilities trying to go over them or under them. >> And I will say it sounds great, you know, being in the shoulder will be great until they get out there and start
digging. You know, they're in people's, you know, what people consider their front yards, right? The driveways, it's still the state road, but the driveways, the mailboxes, the plantings. Um there's a high pressure gas man on that side that based on [snorts] the lines on a paper they've got clearance
from but that you know if that moves around until [snorts] you get into construction you don't know for sure how well that's going to go but it it should work but it's you know sometime it's great to be shallow but
you know it's also when you're in the middle of the road you don't have all those other things >> you just have structures. So, have you shared this memo with uh >> I have not. >> Okay. >> I provided it to you guys. Um
and the intent was to uh forward it with your uh with your approval. >> Did you have conversations with the engineer while you were doing this? >> Not really. >> Yeah. So, we had a meeting. So, um Frank and Chris and I had a conference call with them before I um dug into the
review and we talked about some of these things. But uh so they're and they met with they were with the planning board I think last Monday. It's down to planning boards waiting for Concom and [snorts] water and sewer
to I guess sign off on it basically. So, so with this memo, I think it would be an approval with uh with the comments, you know, addressing the comments and the biggest things being making sure that stuffs are left for everybody is the biggest
comment. >> Okay. So, are we looking to vote on this tonight on something? >> I think you're looking to authorize us to send them >> We only approve plans, but we could approve the >> You're approving the period. basically
have them revise the plans and resubmit them to us assuming the concept is approval. Agreeable. Go ahead. >> Well, what do you think? It's agreeable with me. >> I agree also. >> Okay. Um well, I'll make a motion to uh
approve the memorandum. Uh what do we make? Motion is this to approve to forward >> the peer review memorandum. I'll actually um there's a couple of um things that I've tweaked in in terms of typos and whatnot. So it'll be dated tomorrow. I'll send it to them tomorrow.
So I sent you your you memo and I'm going to send it to them. >> I have a couple question. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Before we do that, actually if we have more discussion on we should uh >> second your memo um your motion and then we can have discussion.
So motion to release the peer review. >> I I I I motion to release the peer review for zero Mansfield app. >> And I second. All >> in favor? No. Now you're going to have some discussion. >> Ah, right. Okay. Well, let's have some discussion. We had um >> Ellen McGrath >> Ellen McGrath >> 29 Mansfield Avenue. >> 29 Mansfield Avenue.
>> I live right across from Pitlock Road and there's a drain to the left of my driveway and an easement that um the water goes into the woods and into a river out in the woods. And I was and I asked the planning um a developer at a
planning board meeting um are they going to tie into the to that um that drain and they said no. Then I was wondering how are you going to circumvent it and where are you going to do most of the construction? I was wondering if it's going to be on my side of the road 29 or on the side where clock road where would
you be doing the digging? >> It's opposite clock road. >> So it' be right in front of my yard on your side of the road is where it's proposed. Okay. >> And they will not Yeah. The drain they'll just have to maintain it the way it is. That's storm water. So that cannot be connected to the sewer in any way. There wouldn't be any connection
between the two systems. >> Okay. >> Any more discussion? Anybody? >> Um yeah, I mean if if you guys want to release the memo that that that's fine. And I just think that it's a master plan and I haven't
dove into it to the level I would have liked, but I'd be more comfortable with a gravity even if that means, you know, more negotiations and maybe give and take with the developer. So maybe we, you know, if you want to prove it, sure. Uh maybe we continue to talk to them and
look into if anything can be done. Um just because the cost to the homeowner might be about the same to you know, have a septic or to to tie in. Um, I don't understand how the the lines tie in, how how you'd even tie into a
force main, but I guess you're saying it's possible, so it must be. Um, but >> so each person that ties in would need a pump. >> Each each house would need their own pump. >> Yeah. just just from my lay perspective, just as a matter of I'd like to stick
with our our plan for it rather than saving the developer a few bucks. I understand there's a break even point and we want to encourage development. I just want to make sure we explore all that's all. >> Yeah, >> I don't think it precludes it from
continuing the discussion. They're a ways away, I think, from putting a pipe in. >> Okay. But eventually they're going to come here with a set of plans for us to improve. Yeah. >> So, a gravity force main sounds unusual, but it's it's done it's done a lot. And
pumping into a force main, although it sounds unusual, is done, you know, it's a it's a convention system. Uh not part of a master plan, but as I said, this project has been on the uh planning board docket for a long time. And
originally, as Steve mentioned, uh you know, they were proposing three buildings. I believe it was the Mash Pavage project and it at the time it made sense >> and I want to make sure that we cover the distance from the end of this developer to the bridge there like like
>> let's follow that project with the uh line to the end of their property >> cuz I think on the bridge the other side of the bridge that's would be what what would the master plan call for there gravity for >> Freeman that's where Freeman Street comes out right so those future so that area is
going to come down Freeman Street to >> the other way. >> The other way. So, it's not going to come through here. >> That is the end of the line. The bridge. >> Yeah. When we get to the bridge, that's the end of this um drainage B. That's the end of this uh service area. Yeah.
>> So, it ends at Probnish. And to be clear, so they would bring it as far as the edge of their property with a stub if the town wants to extend it the last 700 ft or whatever it is to the
to uh where the bridge is. They're not going all the way to the bridge. They're not going beyond their property. >> And that would still be done from their property to the municipal to to the municipal sewer and anything along the way. Would it be I I know this is a public meeting, but would it be
unconventional to ask them to extend it a few more houses? >> There's been a lot of back and forth. >> I know in other communities, I think sometimes they ask developers to do that. I think it's not normal, but >> sometimes they say, "Okay, you can build a line to your development if you also
finish this line for us." >> Are you going to ask them to do that, but then also tell them you want it to be a full gravity sewer >> negotiation? might be a pretty big ask >> give and take and not say any >> I think I would like at least the opportunity to sit down with them
>> in western and take a look at these plans >> closer >> any idea how much it would cost for a homeowner to tie in >> so um I'd guess 30,000 but I'm the least smart person in the room on this topic
>> so that's not a bad number so the so there's a connection fee fee that gets paid to the town. >> Yep. >> It's like 16 grand. And then there's the cost for somebody to connect you. Um and if it's a short connection, if you're
not too far off the road, um 15 isn't a bad number for that. 15,000. But it's >> I get in trouble all the time by quoting numbers because every property is different. if you're sitting on led, you know, you're sitting on a rock pile where it's more expensive to
[clears throat] dig in and stuff like that. So, there's a lot of variables that go into it, but that's not an unreasonable. >> Okay. So, we're on board with releasing the memo, but we're not going to approve any plan. >> May I just I'm so sorry. This isn't my place, but I think your concern it wouldn't be unless her system, her
current system failed. Is that her? If you wanted to choose my house systems, >> it could still pass though. >> Yep. >> Test on it first and find out.
>> Um, all right. Any more discussion on zero Mansfield? >> Well, let's go ahead and vote on that motion. All in favor? I >> I am an I as well. Motion passes. >> Thank you, Steve. >> Thank you. Thank you, Steve.
>> Um, so moving along, new business. Do we want to do 10 and 77 West Main first? >> I'd be grateful. >> You guys are here before we get into the plethora of districts. >> Be very brief. >> Okay. Um, I guess go ahead and give your names for
>> Am I on that agenda somewhere? Is this building dispute? >> You are. >> Oh, you were one of the building disputes. careful how you w for some reason. I'm sorry. >> We [laughter] hit it off right away, but we did just sign there. Um, all right. Well, let's stay
in order then. So, we do which um >> 217 >> 217 Ton Avenue. >> Did you have anything? >> I have a print of that. >> I didn't have any time. I found out about this late. I've been at the conference all day, >> but here I am.
>> Yeah, I don't have any. Uh, >> so if we could just maybe take a vote and then he could put something in writing later. This was one of the meters that we sent off to be tested um and it took a while for the results to come back. >> Okay. >> So, we originally sent it to Styles um and it failed. We had some issues with
Styles, so we sent it to another company and it failed again. Uh so, it was outside of the 2% range, okay, of the A WWA standards. >> Um so, I don't believe we should charge him the meter testing fee as well as I think that >> that's our policy if it fails, we don't
charge him, >> get an abatement on his October note. Yeah, in uh for the June, July, August billing, and we got a whopping >> bill and a a note. You're using a lot of water. So, uh we had somebody came out from the water department, I think maybe
Chris, occasion, and he tested everything >> and he couldn't find anything. I said, "Well, could it be the meter?" And he said, "Well, they never fail." Well, why why don't we eliminate the possibilities? So, he put another one in there. And just to give you a sense, um
I the uh the number was 49 for June, July, and August. And so I asked Janice to give me the number for September from 93 to 106. It was 13, which is on the same level of if same level of water
usage that was claimed for June, July, and August. So that was 13. They put in the um he put in a temporary meter on the u the 5th of October I got it here and two weeks later the number was two
which implies four for the month which would be 12 for the the uh the quarter. >> Mhm. >> Uh so that tells me that and the usage in Sep just to take that the usage in September to October was identical as far as no sprinkling any of those. We
did some in the summer, but not not 49 worth. So anyway, it dropped immediately to two and I I took a uh a reading of it just yesterday, the temporary one which covers essentially three and a half
months. I think what uh yeah, October, October, November, December, and then uh half of January was at 15. >> Okay. So, I'm looking for some kind of I have the pattern of I looked at all the
the September the 91 92 billings and they're all like 2021. There's one anomaly in uh 2020. I don't know that it was at 42 but all the other ones are in that lower range of 2022 etc. So something
what type of building is this? >> It's a house. >> Okay. >> Yeah. Yes. So, Brook, how do you recommend we uh phrase our motion? >> Uh, you can phrase it as making an amendment based off his >> abatement.
>> Abatement. Thank you. >> Um, based off the average usage >> for the first quarter bill for the past two years. That's typically how we estimate it. Y >> um if we can't get a read in. >> Okay. >> And uh we'll go the testing fee.
>> Correct. We can make that part of the same motion. Yes. >> Yeah. >> Okay. We'll do the other one. >> So ju just so I understand that you basically on the first quarter meaning the first >> So the October bill >> for the past two years is typically how we estimate the bills if we're unable to
get a readin. Yeah. >> Um so I would recommend >> So you look at the same quarter correct. >> You're not basing anything on the 49. >> No. We would base it off of the October. Well, the September 2024 and 2023,
>> same quarter, prior years. >> Correct. >> So, it looks like >> So, a motion to abate uh the water bill for 217 Taton Avenue to um bait based on the past two quart two
>> based on the same quarter of the past two years. >> Past two years and to wave the testing fee. I second that motion. All in favor? >> I have an I as well. >> Thank you, Steve. >> You're good.
>> Okay. But you still need a letter, you know. >> Typically, [clears throat] we do have something in writing just for our records. >> Yeah. >> Um >> to give to the customer >> just to keep on file. >> Just be an email. >> Yeah. Keep it simple. Just a simple email to the weather department. >> Oh, so I'm sending an All right. Sending
an email >> and that way we'll respond >> stating the case. >> We're just requesting an abatement. Yeah, >> requesting an abatement for that quarter. >> Um, >> we've already voted on it. So, it's a no-brainer, right? >> I just need the formality of having a document.
>> Okay. Thanks. >> It was interesting. Oh, these never fail. He told me they do. >> I don't think I think this is the first one. >> The first one ever. >> Mankind. >> Do I got a like a plaque?
>> I'll put it right near the meter bronze for you. number of such as I failed here. It will be a tourist site, you know. Okay, I guess I'm all Thank you. It's nice meeting you all. >> Thank you. Have a good night. >> Okay. Wish you well in your new role.
Are you still in the honeymoon phase or >> uh where where the rubber meets the road phase now? >> Well, thank you. Appreciate you're welcome. Thanks for coming. Um do we have anybody else here for bill disputes? I do. What's your address? Uh 113 King Phillip Road
>> that I think I have some Yes. >> Yes. >> Thank you. Have a great night. >> Can you give summarize this for us? >> Um I believe Janice has >> um we could read or you could summarize it for us if you like.
>> Either one's fine. >> If you could just read Karen Dton. So, on Tuesday, I believe it was December 17th, >> 16 >> uh 16th, uh the town came out, gave me a letter saying your water bill was extremely high for it was $625,
I believe. Um saying that I probably had a leak. I had um plumbers there that day. They were putting in a new heating system for me. So, one of them went under the house. I have a crawl space. So, he went under the house. He didn't find any leaks. He checked the toilet, checked everything. There were no leaks
in the house. Um the town came out. Jordan was fabulous. Um they did not want to turn the water off at the house though because it was a very old um shut off. So I had a plumber come the next day. He installed a new shut off. They uh the
town and um the plumber could not find it in the line. Uh they you know thought it was still in the house. So you know we had to do a little more research. Um that was on a Wednesday. Friday they came back. Um
Jordan came back, checked the meter again. He said the usage was fine. So we're like, "Okay, maybe it was the shut off." We thought. Um then they came back on the Monday. They said, "No, it was high again." Um I'm one of those unlucky people that I have a meter pit out on
the street. So it's very hard to tell where the water is leaking from. Um, >> is it common? >> I don't know. >> There are some meter pits in town. >> Yeah. And I'm one of the lucky ones. >> It's becoming more common. >> Is it? >> Yeah. So, I asked them to change the
meter. Um, they said they never fail, but obviously they do. Um, they did. They come out on the Wednesday, change the meter. Um, they advised me not to bother to test it. Just wait and see what this new meter did. Um they came
back out on the Friday. Uh it was okay. Then the next week it was high. So they advised me to replace the pipe from the street to the house.
Um I did that right away. Uh on that Friday I called an excavator to come out to the you know look at it. Gave me a price. He was there on Monday. So, I got this whole thing done very quickly, especially during the holiday season. It
was, you know, Christmas and and New Year's, so it was tough getting people out. Um, I spent just about $8,000 to repair between the street and the plumbers. Um, and so I am asking for
leniency on the bill. It was um 609 until December 3rd. I don't know what it is from December 3rd until we fixed it. Uh I believe they said it was around 600 as well, maybe even higher than that. Um
but I acted quickly. I conserved as much water as I could. Um, and if I if I was not one of the unlucky ones that had it on the um street and
had it on the house, we would not find out this problem for echoes along, >> you know. So, lucky for the town, unlucky for me. [clears throat] >> So, >> Oh, yeah. Good. Oh, I was just going to say it didn't just was on sewer and it
didn't leak into the sewer. >> I was going to say I recommend you make >> typically we abate the sewer portion of that. Correct. We'll do that. >> As far as the water being after the meter, there's not a whole lot we can do about that in keeping with president uh
unfortunately having the meter out like that. But um you want anything more on this? I'll be fine with the major. >> We don't know this the bill is right copy of that. >> It's in here. >> Yeah, I think JS put everything together.
>> I'm on the last page. The >> I have the one just until December. >> So the uh 92 to 122 is um 246 for sewer, 290 for water. That's the one we're talking
about, right? So we could bait this $246 for sewer. Yeah. Sound right? >> Or probably do it the same as you did the last one based on the average of the past two years of the same quarter. >> Oh, right. So, it wouldn't be the whole month, but it would be average. And it looks like the average
>> two >> was uh so be the past >> 16ish. Do you do you not have a separate sewer sewer portion? >> We do. So, they have a separate sewer bill. So he didn't know if he should
have bait the whole thing or just based it off the average of the past two quarters like the >> So So we can make a motion to um worded as such just to reduce it to the average. >> You recommend something else? >> I recommend you abate the sewer portion of it. >> The entire sewer portion.
>> Well, the the average is that what you're talking about. >> I'm so sorry. attributable, >> but not knowing what the actual average number is off the top of my head, we make the motion worded to abate it down to what the average of the last quarters last two years of that quarter. >> Correct.
>> And then through she had her service replaced after this the invoice. So there's going to be >> So I think she would have to wait till the next bill. Yes. >> And then you might want to come back and get that portion abated as well. >> We'd have to do that. >> Have to wait till the new >> When did you I'm sorry. When did you have it replaced? You know the dates of
the replacement? Yeah, we have >> uh 12. >> No, I don't tell my on the Monday after Christmas. So, >> so the 29th >> So the 29th, >> yeah, >> 29th. So bait it to the to that portion
to that date. >> But I believe the water is going to be like really high as well. And like I said, I'm just one of the unlucky ones. Like >> unfortunately, the water usage is the water usage though. We have to we have to pump it. We have to clean it. we have
to provide it. So, generally speaking, it's going to be paid for by something. >> We've had a lot of bill disputes come in where we've done this exact thing. We've baited the sewer because it's provable that the water didn't go into the sewer system. >> Mhm. >> But [snorts] it went through the meter.
So, um but um we can go ahead and and and do that motion. Um, so we're going to we're going to abate this to um,
right? >> Um, I'll make a motion to abate the sewer portion of 113 King Phillip Road. This is for the for the second quarter because it's fiscal. uh for the second quarter's bill um to
reflect the average sewer consumption for that quarter for the last two years. >> Is that right? >> Yeah. >> I second. >> Okay. All in favor? >> I >> I as well. Thank you. >> So, you send me a new bill or >> Yeah, I can forward you a new bill tomorrow if I read that.
>> Thank you very much. Thank you. Uh do we have anyone else present for bill disputes? That does not look like it. Let's uh jump into tenant 77 West Main and then we'll go over after. Yeah. Thank you. Thank Thank you very
much for getting me on today as well. >> No problem. 10 and 77 West Main Streets. >> And my name Nicholas Lance Lancce um and uh for the sake of this meeting I'm with um Old West Main LLC. Um I'm also World Live and Learn Ventures as
well as Northtown Properties. Um give you a slight bit of background. Stop me if I'm going I I tend to just carry on forever. Um we uh a while back we did an extension of the desale line down um
South Washington. Um for the uh water to get to 299 South Washington, 300 South Washington. We came in some time ago at that time. Um our goal had been uh to be soon uh beginning progress on um 77 West
Main and its neighbor there, Zero West Maine. >> [snorts] >> Um, we asked for a credit of the $85,000 that was spent to extend the delaw line down south Washington. We were given that credit. Uh, it was attributed to 77
and0 West May. Um, since then, um, you may know some of this background. Uh, we've been actively trying to, uh, fix it's it's not a it's just a bit of a speed bump. um securing a more
permanency in the easement of a uh um road/d driveway that exists in between those two properties that is really the only access point to that property. Um we're waiting um the f further assistance of of Mark and town council.
Our council has uh um advised us not to proceed until we have some sort of level of permanency with that easement. Um and additionally in the interimm we've um got a um the blessing albeit begrudging
best blessing from the uh historic department to uh move forward with 10 West Main Street. So we've sort of switched gears and 77 is now a bit on hold. Uh 10 West Main Street which is a very similar project. Um we've gotten um
permission from the building department and from uh conservation to do initial preliminary just preparation work. Get a you know get the ground sort of flattened, get a temporary sight fence up, get the um the silt fence out and any [snorts] groundwater storm water
prevention stuff just so we're ready to hit the ground running. We are going to be moving forward with that one first. And um I'm here to ask that we can have the $85,000 credit that was attributed to 77 West Main [snorts] reattributed to 10 West Main, very similar project. Um
water and sewer fees are going to be in excess of 160,000 easy. Um based on the preliminary um and uh and that's it. I'm not asking for any more money, just the reallocation of that money to a project just because of some of the uh my
unfortunately my world is just a series of moving targets and this one has moved and uh and this is the we find it be a little bit more prudent to apply it to to 10 West Main and 77 and Zero. >> So that's my only request. >> You have any anything to say about that?
>> You probably know about >> Sure. So, I I know about the the more permanent easement. Um, last town meeting allowed for a permanent >> easement, but the select board gave a 50-year easement, and that wasn't enough
to satisfy their high investment in the property. So, we're looking at >> this is for 77. So, so we're looking at if we can if the select if it's advisable to for the select board to make that a permanent easement or if we accept that 80 foot
approximately 80 foot stretch as a public way and the developer builds it up to the town standards which wouldn't include water or sewer. So, that's that's separate issue. Yeah. I my request is just to move the the money that they already granted us in a previous um board meeting here. just
move it from 77 to 10 West Main because 10 West Main will be uh you know at least a year sooner than 77. So I'd say are you looking to come back to the well for you know say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say say they approve this would you be asking for another 85,000
or what I'm just trying to cover me >> no no no we we got the 85,000 um for the work we did extending the del line at 299 South Washington um we they gave it to us we had it applied to 77 um
>> we're just saying we're not moving forward with 77 yet we have to go with 10 west uh West Main first. So, can we apply that money instead of applying it to 77 to 10? We're not getting a a break on our fees or anything in either of those properties. We were given um a
credit for municipal infrastructure that we did. >> So, you just want to change the credit. >> I just want to change our credit for one building. I'm sorry. This is me carrying. >> How did we give you the credit for 77? >> I know we gave it. But how did we give it in writing? >> Uh >> yes, it was a motion. Yeah, there was a
motion made by Commissioner James Char to reduce the Yeah, >> if memory serves, the initial discussion on this was 10 and then when we actually got to voting for it, it was 77. Initially, you came to us for 10. >> I think that may that may have been 77 and now you just want back.
>> That's all. Yeah, it's I'm not asking for anything else from borrow the motion. >> Yes, of course. Thank you. That's what I'm asking. I'm If we're going to revise it, we going to revise [snorts] the Thank you very much. And they're they're very, like I said, they're very similar projects. It's just one of them. We we
were planning on moving forward with 77 and then getting to 10. Um the historic department was kind enough to allow us to proceed. And >> what exactly? >> Well, this is the motion we made when we gave them the money.
>> I think we can make a motion to to reallocate the money from 77 West Main Street project to the 10 West Main Street project. I'm fine with that. What I don't want to see is it just being this floating discount that you can apply to any your year in two months
saying, "Hey, we got this new place out on New England Street. We're going to develop. We rather apply it to that one." You know, >> I I understand that concern. >> Let's keep it here and and have it end there. >> Yeah. I mean, really, I I wanted I wanted to be doing both. It's really just the easement issue that Mr. B can
certainly attest to. It sounds like that's a year later. Obviously, you're going to be doing 10. Oh, the the the construction fence is being installed on Friday. So, we'll be moving forward with that. We've got everything we need. I've already been down to the building department. Doesn't change any comment
on it. >> Doesn't change any >> I mean, as long as it's the same water usage proposed, you know, it's a credit for the infrastructure they've already built. So, and it extends further, right? You went in the other direction. I'm sorry. So, 10
sooner than 77, right? >> Yes, that's correct. So that yeah, it was the other way then. No, but this is the right way. >> So I guess we're going to make a motion by me to reduce the water connection speeds for 10 West Main Street from 101
to Well, I know you know what that is, but is the same fee reduction? >> 85,000. >> Okay. for 101 101 for 10 West Main Street uh for a reduction $85,000 contingent upon the full build of the
project >> but remove the credit. >> Yeah, we we want to resend the other one. >> No offense. You got to resend the credit. >> We can't just give the credit for the new one. >> I just lose everything there. >> So, we need to reallocate. >> Okay. So, we have to make a motion to resend the motion to resend the motion
that >> Great. Do you want to do it in two? If you want to resend that motion and make a new one, we do that, too. >> Sure. Make a motion to resend the motion that we made. I'm not so sure the date of this uh made by uh >> October 14th. >> Okay. Thank you very much. >> You're welcome. [clears throat]
>> Where would they be without you? >> That's why we have a great question. a motion to um resend the motion from October 14th, 2025 uh to reduce the water connection fees for 77 West Main Street from 100,200
101 200,000 to $16,200 reduction $85,000 continuing upon the full build of the project. >> I second that motion. [snorts] All in favor? >> I I as well. So now we passed the motion
to resend that. And now we need to we make a motion to credit towards 77 towards 10. >> I make a motion to reduce the water connection fees for 10 West Main Street from >> say just buy that amount. >> Yeah, by if you don't mind the same,
right? >> I haven't been told exactly. Are we doing a 2 in, 2 and 1/2 in or 4 in for the for the for the residential supply line? So I'm not really certain exactly, but it'll be in excess of that. So 10 West Main Street a reduction of $85,000 to continuing upon the full build of the
project. >> I second that motion. All in favor? >> I am and I as well. >> So I think we're good now. >> Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Mayor of $9,000. [laughter] >> And it was very nice meeting you. Nice to meet you. >> And thank you all very much and
appreciate you getting us into this meeting. >> Guys have a great night. You too. Likewise. Um, I guess we'll continue the rest of these business. This is Dalton that one.
Um, 100 West Main Street, Steve. West Main Street. This is just the email came through with any associated. So >> chance to schedule the payment expected. >> Oh, this is interesting. This is
>> Oh, this is the dental, the advanced dental. Can you summarize this at all, Brooke, or was this Janice? >> This was Janice's one. The only one I had is the 44 Newland and the six cotton that I sent you guys. She's um Jenna says she's disputing the interest charges for a payment we did
not receive. She included a letter attached below an email. I'll go ahead and just read her letter, I guess. So, hi Janice has scheduled a payment of $7,3626 through Dr. Garcia's bank this morning. Payment is expected to be delivered to
the town by 11626. All documents showing the original payment as well uh as the payment made today are attached which they looks like they are. I've also included a letter asking you for a credit on the interest and penalty we charged on that return to payment you were kind enough to offer to
deliver the letter to the appropriate party. So they're looking for a reduction of interest on water and sewer. It looks like >> right >> right around 100 and change $100 and change. Um, so just so I understand this
correctly, they they sent in a payment and and somehow we didn't get it. So then they ended up being late on said payment. >> Correct. >> And now we did get that payment or we get >> I don't think we have >> we received a payment. Is the account status report uh included in that
>> of >> Right. So yeah. So >> so >> so yeah. So, as of we have not received any payment yet, but as of 116, I think it might be the bank just hasn't processed it yet. >> Should we wait until we get said payment to do this motion? Cuz if we make this
motion, then we don't get the payment. >> Then we're going to be right back here again. >> Yeah. And I would ask >> I mean she she she's within the 30 days of asking for this. >> What was the reason we didn't get the payment? >> Actually, it's not really a bill dispute. So that's not 30 issue. I just
think we or a mail in issue. We just never received the payment. >> We're not sure why, >> right? >> I think that's important though. >> Yeah, >> I get the impression that um well, I don't I don't know. I think they uh mailed and they it came back to them.
>> Maybe it would have >> So, that really wouldn't be our fault. That would be our fault, but I feel more comfortable putting this to rest once we actually get the payment cuz if we make a motion to for this right now and then a month from now, oh, I guess we got kicked back again. Can we get a break on
the next month's interest, you know, and play that game month to month? >> Can we kick this to next meeting and actually get >> table to next meeting and then >> you can definitely table it >> when when we get assuming that does actually come in on the 16th if we want at that point. We can revisit these
numbers. ask for more information on what happened. >> I make a motion to um table this dispute for 100 West Main Street. Is that what it is? 100 West Main Street. >> Yep. >> Till next meeting. >> I second that motion. All in favor?
>> I >> I am an I as well. Thank you, Ste. Moving along with bill disputes here. Um which one is this? Same. Nothing here.
This one's so 92 West Main Street. Glide on 92 West Main Street. Um, she was disputing a sewer charge for a hot water tank that caused a high usage
bill. See attached and below. So, uh, to limit may concern from, um, Megan H, uh, 92 West Main Street. I'm writing to dispute the water and sewer bill for the address 92 West Main Street. Water bill number, uh, 0201819,
account number 4553. Property's hot water tank recently caused a huge water leak back in September. It has since been replaced. At your convenience, please contact me via email or phone. More information is she wants to
had a leak in the water heater. Are they on sewer as well? [snorts] >> It appears so. >> It does appear. So, so this sounds like a leak that didn't go in the sewer that we could have bait some of the sewer. Is that >> correct? >> Make sense to you guys?
>> Question is how much though? She says, uh, >> the question would be where did it go? Is there any evidence that it went anywhere? >> She pumped it out her back door. >> That's a good point. >> Actually, that that is a good question.
Was a water tank leaking or was it water leaking through the system? >> It was leaking through the system. It went the sewer, right? >> I think >> I think it leaked into the basement. >> That's how I interpreted that there was a break. >> That was my first thought. Generally
speaking, somebody has to prove that the water didn't go down, right? Like like this gentleman that was here that can prove that it was his water pipe going into the ground, right? Um when you have a leak in the house and you say, "Well, it leaked into my basement." Well, what did you do with it after? And if they
prove to us that they pumped it out into the backyard, that's one thing, but I think that proof needs to be shown. So again, if you want to table it to see if they can explain to us and prove to us where the where the
>> Well, one thing I'd like to know is I mean, was it for the whole quarter? When did it actually happen? She doesn't give us any dates. Uh says a water huge water leak back in September. But if they had a huge water leak back in
September and they fixed it, that's a huge number consumption. They're at four, five, six, and all of a sudden they're at 46. That would have been leak for a long time, wouldn't it? >> Hey, I mean, usually when your water if your water tank blows, I don't I don't know.
>> Who know? >> Well, there'll be evidence of that. >> Well, their basement was full of water, I guess. I have no clue. At this point, because I'm new, I would ask you to table this till we ask them
for more evidence because they're not giving you any information as to how much, how long, [snorts] and what they did with. >> Well, we can table it and this and and this does fall within the 30-day deal. So, if we table it, that doesn't change,
right? There's still >> correct because we received it within 30 days. >> Received it within 30 days. >> Okay. So, >> we could do that and then Steve will be around. So, we have another another. >> So, could you ask them for uh put in a memo to request them to provide us more
information and when they in the event there was a rupture >> when they pumped out their basement, where did the water end up? So, I make a motion to table the bill dispute for 92 West Main Street.
>> I second that motion. All in favor? I >> I'm in I as well. So, that motion passes. Thank you. And we have one more. >> I think we have two. >> We have two more. We'll start with six Carding Road. Where is Six Carding Road? >> Red Village.
>> That's in Red Village. Okay. [snorts] >> Right behind Kelly's restaurant. >> Um on >> So this was you, Brooke, right? >> Yes. So this is one that had two quarters of high usage. Um we went out and did a leak detection and the tech did not find any leaks. However, the
resident stated that a plumber went out and fixed all her toilets and faucets and now everything's back to normal. So, it seems like there was a leak somewhere. We may have just not seen it. >> We just haven't found it. >> Correct. So, I feel like there's really nothing we can do because we can't prove
it wasn't in the toilets or where it was. So, unfortunately, >> so that's a case of a leak that was going in sewer basically. >> We can't prove Yeah. >> [snorts] >> Um, yeah. I mean, we've never we've
never abaded sewer when someone had a leak that went into the toilet that they knew of. >> So, do I make a motion for no action? >> Yes, >> I think so. >> Make a motion to um take no action on the six road um
water dispute dated January 12th, 2026. >> I second that motion. All in favor? >> I >> I am an I as well. Thank you. >> All >> and uh pile of papers here. We've got one more. >> Yes.
>> 44 Newland Street. >> This one the res >> I'm sorry. >> Third cutting. >> We just finished six cutting. >> Oh, Nolan. >> There's a new one. 44 Newan Street. >> Um so the resident is asking for a bill adjustment for the sewer portion due to a water leak through an exterior spot.
>> Yep. I remember this. does seem like pretty straightforward. >> Yeah, that's what I commented on. >> So, where it was outside, you can kind of prove that it wasn't consumer. >> Yeah. >> Um and he's asking to adjust the bill based off of 13 units as that's been his
highest usage. Um which the cost is $89. Um so if you wanted to approve that, you would want to make a motion to obey $1789 of the sewer portion. >> Yep. You move that right there. >> Um Justin, you want to make your comments on this before we
>> No, I agree. >> I'll go ahead and make a motion to abate uh $1789 of the sewer portion of um the bill for 44 Newland Street. >> I second. >> Okay. Uh motion second. All in favor? I
>> I as well. And that concludes all our bill disputes. >> Thank you everybody. >> We did have one from 8oint Lane. Um, >> wait a month ago. >> Yeah, that we put under the superintendent updates. >> Oh, okay. >> That was under the determination on the meter test.
>> Well, that's next on the list. So, we can >> So, this was another test that was sent out um they sent the dispute letter in on October 14th for that meeting. >> Okay. >> This was tabled pending an offer to have their meter tested, which it was tested.
The meter did fail both tests. However, it was in the acceptable 2% range. Um, so you guys would have to decide if we want to charge them the $75 fee because it did fail, but it was in the range and if we want to make a motion would be no.
>> So it didn't fail. >> According to the standards, it failed, but according to our regulations, we allow a 2% range. >> 1.9. >> Yeah. I don't think it was that much. Honestly, I have >> So it's in the acceptable range. It's in the acceptable range, but it's not
great. In other words, >> it's recording more water or less water. >> Um, >> they don't tell you that. They just tell you that it's off by two less than 2%. >> Usually, if it's off, it's to the customer's favor generally, right? boards less than
>> typically but usually >> I'm really not familiar with >> accuracy 100%. >> They don't tell you whether it's just plus or minus >> so it didn't fail >> according to testing. >> It's within our specifications.
>> According to Norton in our specifications it did not fail. >> Correct. That's a good way to put it. Yes. >> Okay. Then if we don't have a failing meter, we would have to charge them for the meter, right? >> $75. Yes.
>> That sounds like a no-brainer to me. >> Perfect. >> What do you think, Stephen? >> A tough one. >> It is a tough one. >> Double tough. >> It makes me wonder, do we need to change our standards to line up? >> No, because the 2% is is an industry
standard. Okay. Well, that's an industry standard and that's our regulations and that's what we've always done by the past. >> So, I guess >> I'm fine calling that a passing meeting. >> So, I guess and original motion was to abate um the expensive water bill. So, I guess
the motion has to be no action on their request for a water rebate >> and then to charge >> charge for the water test. >> Correct. That's my motion. I'm sticking to it. >> Okay, I'm going to second that motion then. >> Okay. >> All in favor? >> I Is that okay, B?
>> Yes. Okay. >> I have an I as well on that one. Now, that concludes our bill disputes. >> That is it. >> All right. A lot tonight. >> All right. So, >> so you're going through the superintendent updates? >> I will do my best. >> All right. I'm sure you want to talk
with your >> um So, we had a service leak on Pleasant Street. The on call tech received a call on New Year's Eve that the water was bubbling up on Pleasant Street. Crews responded and discovered that it was a lead gooseeneck that was leaking for a long time and ended up surfacing. Crews ended up replacing the lead gooseeneck,
but we will need to replace that man at some point. >> Uh, what street was that? Pleasant. That's >> so we leak or the main >> We replace the lightning. >> Okay. >> So, we'll have to replace the main at some point. >> Okay. Um, there was another service leak
on Island Road, which was yesterday. We received a call from a resident stating that the water was bubbling up at 41 Island Road. The curb stop on the town side had a huge hole in it and was leaking for a long time. Crews cut out the curb stop and replaced it with a new curb stop and a short piece of 1in copper pipe.
>> I think it's off a reservoir. >> Then we had a water main leak on Sturby Street. So, we're three for three. Uh, we were notified of a small leak by a resident. Upon excavation, we found it to be a 2-in water mane, which was a glitter coupling. Crews replace the coupling with a piece of schedule 80
pipe and two wrapped around couplings. Uh, this work was completed on Thursday the 8th. >> I have busy. >> We've been very busy. >> What did you just say? I'm sorry. >> That's okay. the war. They replaced it with a schedule 80.
>> Um, >> sorry for that one. >> A schedule 80 pipe and two wrapped around couplings. >> Determination [snorts] on meter test. We've already pretty much talked about all that, right? >> Correct. Yeah. >> Did they save the leg goo?
>> I'm sorry. Did they? >> I'm not sure. >> Yeah. Let's see if they can find that. All right. We'll put that on our lead and copper uh >> the lead gooseeneck on Pleasure Street that you said that they replaced the main. Are you referring to the main and the road or the main going to the house?
>> She only read the rules. She doesn't know what >> I would assume the main and the road. >> If they're calling it a main, it shouldn't be the It shouldn't be the lateral. >> I think Pleasant's on your master plan. >> Yeah, that's right.
>> Okay. Um there's a number four item on superintendent's DPW director who Justin's already pretty much introduced himself. Um he wants anything else. >> Nothing to add at this time. >> Okay. [laughter] >> So Justin, in the future, how do you see
us um proceeding as water and so commissioners and our actions forth with meaning uh we make decisions? >> You're going to make recommendations. >> Make a recommendation to the view. >> You're going to make a recommendation. Yeah. And then how do you what how how
what what action and how do you take it the action? Is there a board of public works >> or is that just the other final site? >> Correct. >> Okay. >> With the town administrator, I you know depending on what the the action item is if it's something within my expertise
obviously. Uh I would take your recommendations and and act. >> So do you become part of our quorum and vote on our motion? >> Not necessarily. No. I as I am now I'm here I'm here to facilitate um I see the
superintendent uh coming as needed you know so I probably take over that role um but then you know for instance the the gravity main that we're talking about uh earlier um that's something that I would take your recommendation under consideration
>> okay >> um I think um there are I'm too do. >> Yeah. >> To see what >> No, I'm just >> what the construction standards are for the city. How are the town I apologize.
I come from a city. know, um the construction standards and and Tamson may know what the town has for uh uh construction standards and and um items like like you're discussing whether or not we allow for them to go
into the gutter line or um you know, I know in my world it's very difficult to allow people to move where they're supposed to be in the city layout or the town layout because it messes things up for the future, right? uh whether it be
a gas line or or a fiber optics or water lines or wherever you know the layout is. If that hasn't been established then it's time we establish that. >> Well, this is a state road. So >> So it is established by the state >> which is another which is another uh
piece of the pie. But um yeah, I I look forward to working very closely with the with the water and sewer commission and and taking your recommendations seriously. >> So in future meetings, would you plan on attending? >> I hope to. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay.
>> I know >> we have to make sure we include them as an invite. >> I know uh there was talk about it being Zoom, which at at times that might be a lot easier, but I I I'm [snorts] going to plan to. >> Okay. So in future contract signings is
that are you the signature or is is the water still? >> I couldn't tell you that at this point. >> We have anything present. >> We had stuff that was voted on last >> but I don't know where it stands. Um but yeah we we will
>> I'm sure we will. >> So we welcome you. Okay. >> Yes. Welcome >> and I appreciate appreciate being here. >> [clears throat] >> Um, moving right along. Weston and Samson. Who wants to go first? Go ahead.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> All right. >> All right. So, as usual, um, Waterwork does intend to introduce >> Oh, Ty Mcdanis, Weston and Samson. Sorry for the public. >> Sorry. >> Yep. No words. Thank you. Um, for the reminder, the um the waterwork typically
does shut down in in the winter as we we all know. So, um, there's not a whole lot of updates we have. Uh, I've been coordinating a little bit directly with um with Derek over at the plant with Frank being out. Um, shortly I think after the last meeting, we talked a little bit about the airators online for
the Cottage Tree tank. Little blip. It actually did shut down. Got the guys to go out there and and revamp that and get it started again. But, um, you know, all within the warranty. We've got a full full year on that, but that's um so far again it's typical. But, um, it looks
like it's running fine. Called Derek. We chatted uh last week and >> what was the shutdown? just a break or something. >> Yeah, there's just a little bit of electrical um and then it just it get they got a failure and then there's there's a little bit of your your um you know power controls that just needs to provide one more
>> piece of Can you explain to Justin why we put an air rate? We did. >> Yes, we can. So um so there we have a 2 million gallon tank at Cottage Street and there's an elevated 500,000gallon tank next to it. The 200 um 2 million gallon tank uh we basically put an
airator and a mixer in. So, a dual system to kind of help with the THM. So, historically, um, you know, the last several years there's been some THM issues in the furthest parts of the system. >> Uh, those tanks are located in the center of this of town. So, that's a
very, you know, central location that kind of is pushed in the water and based on our our um our testing of the water in the area, it was starting to age significantly after that tank. Okay. So, um the uh you know the whole goal with an aator is to kind of get off get you
know reduce the THMS and then you're you're hopefully um >> good down the >> Got to get through the lawn running annual average with the water quality. But it's uh the last test >> it's winter or two so there's it's usually we're not adding as much chlorine anyway. Um you'll have about
three 3 months or so of the airator online to kind of check it. I believe Derek's so we tested November. Uh we put the the airator online shortly thereafter and then you'll have roughly 3 months or so. Um so this next round of testing and if you look at that map kind
of the center of town is where the tank is, but the upper right quadrant the down lower left are there are two out of the four points that you take THM sampling and those are the two that historically have had a little bit higher >> higher levels. So um so the hope is that
when they get the samples back so December, January, February, he'll be testing next month and then within usually a week or so we'll find out and get some information on that. But um and assuming that that's we have some historical background over the next year. That's what we've provided with D. So they're under administrative consent
order also address the THM issues by the end of this calendar year December 31st of 2026. >> Are you familiar with the fact we're under an ATO? >> I am. >> Okay. >> Okay. And there's there's four points in that um we're systematically going through two one of them is already actually taken care of more or less
[clears throat] on the lead and copper uh sampling and then um the THMs is is what the area whole point was of that whole project. So, um, so we'll keep in touch and making sure there's no issues, but we're kind of at the punch list level of that project. And then on our end, we just need to finish our as builds and and submit that final
invoice, but we're going to hold on to that until we clarify a couple months of good, um, operation, um, and then, you know, >> so um, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but probably one of these days he'll probably want to see his
infrastructure, >> I would think. >> Say that again. I apologize. that one of these days you probably want to see our infrastructure. >> Yeah. Oh, absolutely. >> So, we probably should set that up. It's something that Jim and I also want to do. So, maybe just to give us an excuse to do it now.
>> Yeah. >> Sounds like a great excuse to absolutely. >> So, we should plan that maybe in spring, >> right? How about that? Plan for spring to So, you're going to look at the wells, you're going to look at the tanks >> from a water side. And you've been you said you've been to the water treatment
plant. >> I have. >> Okay. I guess you did that yesterday. >> I did. >> All right. Well, that's the big infrastructure. >> I'm pretty sure and I'm not >> I'm not positive, but I'm um >> Did you guys were you involved in that water treatment plant? >> Yes. So, we started the design and unfortunately it was years ago, but
there's some Native American artifacts and there's some delays, but overall the the design, you know, moved forward and then we basically went out to bid in 2018 roughly 2019 through 2020 during COVID. We put that plan online. >> Very good. uh through um the fueling
construction was the contractor. Yep. And then what's happening right now there's a there's several projects that were are ongoing. One of them is a primary uh we haven't really move forward too much with that with it's the uh water quality and POS alternatives analysis review. So there's a couple
factors that we're we're working on but one of them is uh interconnections. Uh another part of it is which is what is proposed um for an amendment is to move forward with our recommendations for piloting. >> Okay. So we have piloting over at well one, piloting at well three, and then a little bit of piloting over at the
treatment plant to a little bit more on the on the color and uh organics over there. Um we also are taking a look at well one the goal is and what our recommendation and what we're probably going to move forward with, but it's more of uh discussion point when Frank gets back and we can talk a little bit
further. we just presented to the town manager um in draft form uh I think it was right right [snorts] right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right right around thanksgiving or something >> so we want to make sure we got some information in front of him before Frank went off on leave so um but the main
goal there is to try to uh replace well one with the wellfield and go for a higher yield and potentially if if iron magnesium needs to go there it'll make it a little bit more beneficial but right now the issue over there is manganesees at well one >> um it's a little bit over the uh secondary level so We're keeping an eye
on that um through the acco. It's only turned on as needed, if needed. Uh and they also currently are only running well 3, which does have higher elevated POS. It's below mass D, but will not be under the future EPA 2030 rig. So, um
we're taking a holistic approach to looking at costs, what's what's best costbenefit analysis, but also for the water system and then, you know, for emergency purposes, interconnections and or potential for purchasing water for that. Um, >> so just so you don't because you don't
know I don't think is wealth number three which is off of East Main Street off of Newman Street area is far from the other wells. So that's a whole another >> that's the POS. >> That's the one with POS, right? Correct. >> So if we only use that well on
a temporary basis, would that the right way? >> Well, right now we could use the well. Right now we're under the limits. >> Correct. >> Yes. you have spiked slightly over 20 every so often, but with with um on on the average you've been typically below. Correct.
>> So, I was part of the analysis and we there's a couple of things to do. We either build treatment plant well number three or have a pipe from well number three to the treatment plant, but it's a distance. >> Yeah. So both part >> so I' I've been a
it's been mentioned to me um all of this is you know the items that they kind of said here's one of the projects you're going to look into. So um I look forward to talking to Weston and Samson more and kind of meeting I'm sorry chair keeps falling down.
>> It's a um >> these are the chairs that we want to replace. Uh, I look forward to talking to Weston Samson more uh about what you've done and the infrastructure that's in place and and kind of come up with an educated plan to move forward.
>> So, so what we've been trying to do is unfortunately or fortunately or whatever you do is D has very strict guidelines when we have to notify our our users on violations of our testing. We don't like sending out those cards,
nor do the people when they receive them because they're I'm sure you've seen them. >> They're written in a foreign language that nobody can understand. >> Sure. >> Including us. So, uh we're trying our best bet is we're going to try to eliminate those problems by addressing
these problems early as opposed to >> waiting >> waiting. So, we're proactive on the whole PAS thing. We've been working on it for we've been talking about a long time. We've actually took the ball by the hands and we're moving forward. >> We have to be It's going to happen. It's coming down. It's >> because we don't really know if the 20
is going to be at some other number. We don't know what we're actually shooting for or the thing, but we're moving forward and half the battle is to figure out really doesn't really matter what the number is. It's a matter of facilitating how to do it >> right. The the whole hydraulics thing
about how to connect A to B to whatever else. whether or not we have to treat a 20 or six or 10 or whatever the number is. We'll worry about the technology at this point is >> but we're trying to it's not as you can imagine it's not easy >> so >> right and and testing standards have
gotten better so you know 8 years ago non detect right anywhere and then and you know you had to 70 and now we're at 20 with mass DP so I think you know compared to some of the surrounding neighbors uh Norton is actually on that side of the front is is way ahead of the game in
>> better shape so [snorts] >> great we're not violation but we proactively proactive to deal with it. Understood. >> Thank you. >> And then uh we recently replaced wells five and six. We're in the process of replacement of well 4. We finished our
um pumping test a couple months back. We are actually pro putting our application into mass DP shortly. I just need to add in I want to just coordinate with Derek a little bit on the pump for that. Uh we got recommendations from uh there's a specific driller that the town likes to use and they recommended a certain we
have a little bit of a iron and magnes issue um on the raw water going into the plant kind of impacting the well faster. So we're just talking through a little bit with him but other than that that's just um you know most pumps are not really made as well as they used to be. So he's got a
favorite manufacturer. >> Yeah. So um so we just need to finalize that and get it in. But we also have some uh we have EPA grants uh funding some of that too. It's a special project. So >> we just got a million and a half dollar grant, didn't we? Since our last meeting. >> Yes, it's a different one. >> So yep, it's too many.
>> Okay, I'm sorry. >> Um so this is an older grant for the EPA. It took several years to figure this all out, but we're we're moving in the right direction. But it's going to basically reimburse you for the construction costs of wells five and six, and then it'll pay for the construction cost of well four. So, um,
we just need to make sure there's specific uh, you know, funding requirements, we just need to add those into the specs. But that's that is the hope that we'll be out to bid this, uh, this winter. Uh, likely depending on unless there's any kind of concerns, but the intent is to have that well, you
know, under construction the summer into the fall and then hopefully by winter of next year that'll be fully replaced. Um and then yes, so we had um kind of g a little bit back and forth applied through mass DP through through the um ECSDC which is the basically for you
guys it's a small system emerging contaminant small system grant that is funded through EPA and uh we that application officially went in actually pretty quickly about a little bit around like last meeting or just before that and then EPA back to work luckily um and
they were pretty quick on approving. So we have actually uh received confirmation that 1.5 million would go towards >> um the POS and the uh the water quality uh work. So um our proposal was in for amendment to do that um to work on the
piloting and that would cover all piloting as well as our engineering fees to roughly to date. There's a little bit of stuff that's excluded but the majority of our previous invoices um for this uh water quality alternative analysis will be paid for. >> Nice. So Justin, we have contracts for all this work from Western Samson. We
also have, I believe, a $50,000 general general >> for each water and a $50,000 general factor. So that >> if [snorts] when we you now that you're the director, if people come to you and say, "Hey, I went this that we have you
actually have a pot of money, you can actually direct Western Stampton to do something for you as opposed to not having any money to do anything for you." >> Correct. Um, >> and that's just a not a catch all, but you know, you can you can plan plan, but then happen. Yeah. >> Pun intended.
>> And it does on his end. So, just kidding. >> So, I mean, it gives everybody a little flexibility to to uh solve problems. >> Great. >> Yeah. So, we just were asked by Frank knowing that he was going to be out, he asked us to uh to work through an application um to just put some documentation together to massp, you
know, something that's going to, you know, maybe 20 hours of work or something like that on our end. So, um, it it's if it needs to get done immediately, anybody can call us and we just we jump on it. So, uh, I know Brook's looking into lead services. They just finished up notifications at the
end of the month. Yeah. So, and then 2026 is, you know, the next step. So, um, there's a little bit of changeover. So, the, uh, there was an assistant superintendent was handling a lot of that. And then um you know with Frank being out too there's you know we basically whatever needs to happen in
the next month or two you know statistical reports are right around the corner we typically take a look at the numbers and we help them with the calculations if need be at this point we may provide a little bit more services to help out if um if the staff is not available and uh I know that half the battle is collecting all the data. Um,
so we're here to support as needed for that. And I think, um, the only other, we have a grant in application for asset management, but I don't think we're going to hear that for another couple months, but u might be issuing a notification on that. And then the only other project, um, Southwester
Street is on hold. That's um, I believe that Chris provided an update to to Mark on that and you might have been updated today. I believe he had a kickoff. So, um, Southwestern East Hodgeges is a a water man replacement project. It's pretty much near in the end. We're just going to work with Highway on doing
final paving and what limits they want for that. [snorts] Uh, that actually is funded through, uh, ARPA. So, I get all my funding sources together, but we have a lot of money that I think over the last few years we've been able to, you know, cultivate together to kind of get some really nice improvements so it's
not an impact on the rateayers. Um, and then, uh, Elm Street sewer is now Elm Street Water. Uh, that's have an an amendment >> cut up the whole street on >> no longer >> we're able to watch the meetings >> don't
>> you don't want to go there we must have gone to a well five meeting let's just go back to move forward >> so that sew design was you know designed with water and sew replacement we went through a millions of meetings to including town
meeting that it wasn't a happy ending so we converted the sewer water project water project >> and >> still trying to utilize a mass works grant >> and we still have a mass >> hopefully >> hopefully have a $3.5 million grant >> very upside chance on that
>> well I think we're going to >> the developer still >> so that is water main was supposed to be replaced years ago on that and then it wound up the town paved it and then it was under moratorum so it's been on the list for a while it just uh and then it
was great mass force grant Steve's group went together and and put an application for both water and sewer and then um so we're >> we have master plans for both of those water and okay we more or less try to follow that but [snorts] again situation
>> yeah with Frank being superintendent now and and there's a lot more collaboration at least on what's your paving plan are here are our streets so >> it's going to work closely with the town >> it's going to come even more >> y [snorts] >> and we work closely with the town planner so if a town planner comes up to us and Well, you know, industry wants to
develop here and we need water. I mean, whatever we try to accommodate. >> Great. >> So, there weren't many updates at least on as far as our there's no real construction happening on our end for for that and we just have the um you know, two outstanding uh amendments that
we're just waiting to hear back on. And I think, you know, the intent was for Elm Street to go out to bit this spring. I you know, it's all depending on when we get authorization to move forward. So, um, and I'll just open up to general questions. >> Okay. >> All right.
>> I don't have any. You got any? >> No, not a question. >> Not as of yet. >> Y, no problem. >> We will >> day two. I get it. >> We will we [laughter] will be talking. >> Sure. >> Was there a pay estimate for selfless history? I had to make a motion for >> um Did you Oh, actually, yes. Uh, so
Gavin sent those to you. My bad. >> I think it should be in the packet. >> It was one I signed. >> Yes. I think we just have to make a motion on that to approve it. That's correct. Okay. >> Did we authorize you to sign off on them and Chris the last meeting? Correct. >> Yeah. The CC cuz >> I don't know if Do you want to sign off on it now or
>> whatever you guys had in place? We will >> Okay. >> honor for tonight. >> Thank you for that. Yeah, that's right. >> So, we're just making a motion to approve the pay estimate. >> Yes. So, our recommendation is on there for for payment to CC. So, that's predominantly police details from the
paving that they attempt. I will um go ahead and make a motion to approve the um what payment is this? Um pay estimate number 10 for the South Worester Street East Hodes area ornament
improvement projects to CC construction in the amount of $18,438.76. A second. All in favor? >> I I as well. Thank you. Did we have to approve to [snorts] for someone to sign this or
>> so we voted last time to allow Bris so that moving forward you don't have to do it again but once you approve it then it can be signed. >> Do you need a copy of that? >> Um yeah. >> Okay. I'll [laughter] just take you down. You're welcome.
>> All right. That uh you're all set. >> Yes, I am. Thank you. >> All right. Steve, you're up. >> All right. So >> uh start with the pump stations. So Cobb Street um we're moving forward with the design of phase three. So just to bring
you up to speed, Cobb Street's um one of the two most critical um wastewater pump stations in the system. Handles majority of the flow uh from the town over the last 6 years now I guess. Uh so we went in like six years ago did a CIP. First
thing we did um was replace the generator. It was old. Couldn't get parts for it. They having trouble with it. So, the generator is um is pretty new out there. Now, second phase was to go in and got the wet well and coat it and clean it up and get that back up to
up to code. And >> what year is it? Do you know? >> The station itself is from the 70s. >> Okay. I don't remember, but it's on the uh I don't know off the top of my head. >> Okay. >> Yep. >> It's probably old older than that. It's
older than that. It's older than that. Yeah. >> Um and so then phase three was to uh actually address the pumps and look into replacing the pumps. So we had a site visit. So we're under contract to do that work. We um we had a site visit December 10th uh just to kind of go
through the the whole CIP from 5 years ago, check off all the stuff that's been done, what's left. Uh and we're looking into the best option um whether it be rebuild rebuild the pumps um replacing kind uh and we're also providing an
option to switch it out with a different type of pump with a uh dry pit submersible. Um and we met [snorts] out there with Bruno. Um, so we're looking at those options and then we will move forward uh with putting a package um out
for public bid uh and looking to be between the spring and into the summer through the bid award process and by the end of this year have new pumps out there at Com Street. Uh so in line >> you're contracted to manage and engineer is that >> so put it out to bid manage the bidding
process and then uh to be on site as needed uh during the installation during construction. >> Okay. Okay. [snorts] And then uh similar to that is uh the Great Woods generator or the Great Woods
pump station which uh is similar to the Cobb Street is the other largest station in town. Um generator um had to be repaired not too long ago. Same issue with parts and everything. So, we've gone out and while we were at
Cobb Street, we also did an evaluation out at Greywoods. Um, and the plan, the initial plan, uh, there's money appropriated for the replacement of the generator. Um, and there was a little extra money put into that appropriation
for any other um, issues that are identified to be immediate needs of the station. It'll probably follow. So, we've been there and it is a pretty much a replica. I think the they designed a station and the two of them are covering copies, just bigger pumps. This one has actually bigger pumps. Um, but
everything's the same. So, we'll probably follow a similar path, get the generator swapped out. Um, see how the wet well is and then talk about doing the pumps. Um, so like I said, we move forward with the
um evaluation because we were out there for the Cobb Street one. Um, that is the one. So, I think you guys approved the our contract for that work at the last meeting and we're still waiting for a signed contract for for that work to
move forward with that. [snorts] Another thing we talked about is ultimately it might uh make sense to combine when we're ready to go to bid if both projects are ready to go might make sense to do them as one project to get
uh one set of plans uh for the pumps and then a generator at Great Woods. It's something we can talk about whether we want to do them as separate contracts or if you want to um put it together just as one bit process, you know, a similar type work. But for
pumps at Cob Street generator at Greatwoods, correct? >> So those are the pumps, that's the pump station work that's going on right now. We are, you talked about the the plans, you know, the the master plan on the water side, the comp plan on the
wastewater side. We are currently under the general services contract um looking to give you guys looking back at the comp plan which is 2016 I think and providing like a memo update of of
where we're at and what's changed and kind of updating the costs for the path going forward. Um so that u so that you guys can look at where you want to go next. There's talk of, you know, the next phase would likely be continuing down West Main Street from where we left
off at the housing authority. Uh, and there's been a lot of discussion about that. There's a lot of moving parts on that in that it's an opportunity to get rest. There's customers. >> There's the middle school. >> Middle school. Yeah. >> Which recently got approval from D to
come off of their >> treatment plan. So now it's under the local board of health's jurisdiction just as a um as a title five system, but he gave it a three-year approval with the understanding that there's a longer term solution because there is the
ability. >> Is that where we move where we ran the main? >> Yes. So there's there was a so the treatment plant at the middle school was put in place and then going back in time
town the water department replaced the water all the way up West Main Street. They took the old water man and sliplined it with a 4-in pipe with the intent of using that for sewer, you know, forest main sewer. And then they did connect the high school and the L
school through that forest man back to the middle school treatment plant. Then the plant had some compliance issues. We built the West Main Street sewers which fronted the high school and the Yell. Those are both now connected to the sewer that flows to there's a pump
station on the Wheaten campus that then pumps into the Mansfield interceptor. So we took those. So that line that was pumping back to the middle school treatment plant is now not in use and could be reversed. If we do some work at
the middle school as well as that piece of West Main Street, we could bring some sewer to a station down there and pump it through that 4 in line. We're limited if we want to use that line. It's 4 in. You know, we can't. So we're limited in terms of how much we can pump through
there. Um, but there have also been discussions that is a low point on Main Street, West Main Street out there where Valentine Tool has expressed interest in being part of a a project as well as uh
Goat City across the street. Um, so there could be some cost sharing and again one thing that will hopefully help get it support from the town is the schools is being able to get the schools and there's also an option in place to
bring the Solomon school which is all the way down Route 123. There's a dry line 4 in slip line pipe along that [snorts] whole length that could be used to pump them up to whatever solution >> that goes from the Sony's to the middle
school. >> Yeah. >> And it's not connected. Sony's is still on septic system. They could have brought that to the treatment plant. >> So could go to that pipe to the middle school and all of that where the middle school could build a pump station either at the middle school or the Valentine property >> and that 4 in line is existing is plenty
capacity for just the schools for sure. That's what we have to look at is how much. Yes, definitely for the schools and a limited service area there. >> Question is can it >> also accommodate all the rest of the abundance. >> So when you look at the act [snorts]
comp plan was that we would there would be a pump station near there somewhere but then in the future when we serve if and when you build out the rest of 123 [snorts] that would flow through that system. So we might have to modify, you know, once we use that 4 inch line, you
might need to run a force, you won't be able to bring the rest of Main Street into that. You would have to come up with a >> either replace that with a bigger force main or just run a parallel force main in the future. So that's kind of the crux of what we're coming up with now
based on >> West Main Street line where Valentine uh tool is, we're not currently doing anything on. That's currently Yeah, it's abandoned. So, it was >> Are we doing Are you into >> I am. Yes. So, under the general services contract, we're going to put
together a memo that that kind of summarizes, you know, high level what what it looks like and and what the options are and what the costs are. >> Okay. >> Well, Valentine 2 came to us a couple years ago already. They had [snorts] a contamination issue in their septic
system uh and basically requested [snorts] us to connect them to sewer. So, it's an unusual thing, but they somebody there's a need. >> They want it. Yeah, >> they want it. So, uh we're trying to solve that and the middle school at the same time.
>> Okay. >> What do you want me to do next week? Yeah. [clears throat] [laughter] >> Just It's hard for you to There's a lot to take. >> There is. I know. >> Yeah. >> At least at least we're doing something. >> Sounds like you're doing a lot. >> So, I think that's everything. And just
to circle back to the Elm Street. So, Tara was saying, originally, if you haven't noticed, Tara's heads up the water side and I head up the wastewater side. That hasn't been clear from the discussion. So that was, you know, on the wastewater side we ran with that project with the grant and
everything. [snorts] And so now the quarterly update is due. So we'll work with you. So we just need to get a quarterly update into Mass Works and it's basically time to let them know that the town authorized the monies to replace the water man.
And again, that water mane improvement will facilitate eventual development of that property at the Reedenb. And that's what the grant is all about. Housing, [snorts] you know, jobs and housing. So, the hope is that they will support
street the Read building. >> Oh, yeah. >> Okay. >> Um, yeah. All right. >> So, I mean, just I mean, we already talked about the >> Before you send that, when's that quarterly report due? It's due this week and it's pretty basic. It's just what have you done since the last quarter in
the how much we've spent. >> So, we haven't spent anything. >> We haven't spent anything. So, they just need an update. The project's still active. >> So, the grant >> Let's leave it at that for now. >> That's it. It's just going to be um since the last quarterly report. So, the last one said we're going to be at town
meeting and we'll find out if the town you know you know third time's a charm. >> Um see if they want to approve. Yeah, I stayed as far away as I could. [laughter] Yeah. And uh yeah, because the grant currently expires at the end
of this current fiscal year, but they did they told us if we have an approved project and a contractor or clear path forward, we will be able to extend it for a year, >> you know, so [snorts] be able to extend it for another year. >> So, we're anxious to spend that money. >> And who are you talking to at Mass Bath
Works? Do you know? Uh John Wei is the uh is the person on this part, the project manager for this project. He's been very reasonable, very good to deal with. >> Good. >> They want to use the money. They want the town to use it. They don't want to take it back, >> right? >> But it does have to meet the criteria. >> Okay.
>> So, I think that's it. >> Thank you. >> Thank you, Steve. >> Um I don't have anything on anticipated. Steve, you have anything? >> Only to talk about the next two meetings. H >> um I believe our next schedule meeting
is February t on a Tuesday on um February 10th. >> That's the schedule meeting. >> Okay, I think I'm okay with that. >> And then the March meeting, I have to request you to change it to Thursday, March 12th.
>> March, we could officially do that that next meeting, but I'm sure you sure that's not going to be a problem. >> I can't be here on March 11th. 12. >> March 10th. >> March. March 12th. >> It can't be the 10th, but it has to be
the 12th. >> I don't have a problem with that as of yet. >> But I just thought [snorts] I give you a advanced notice in case you have plans. >> Down one. >> Noted. Um Justin, you have anything else before we uh >> I don't wrap it up. Thank you. And I
look forward to uh helping out. So before we uh is there anything that you heard that you want to pre-approve before we do anything on your bullet um or documents or anything you want to see or do you or should we just submit to
you everything that we're doing from now so you're CCed on that correspondent? I would appreciate being CC on all correspondents. >> As far as our voting though, if he's going to be at the meeting, he's going to be here soordinate that. >> But if if especially with Western Samson, I would appreciate being CCed on
all correspondence with either the uh commission or with >> So is the next thing that's going to go out. Um we'll have to circle back on that. It seems like both you and the town manager want to be part of maybe another meeting with the developer to talk about, okay,
this is all fine, but how do we get to >> how do we get back to where we were two years ago >> or at least >> or somewhere in the >> somewhere in between? >> Yeah. >> So, we we the water commissioners are not privy to those meetings. So it's really usually we we deal with Frank
normally deals with that with with Weston Simpson and now you can be involved with that >> and if you can you know give me a week or two to kind of figure out >> Oh yeah >> how it's all going to work. Um and I'll get back to you by next meeting as to
going forward if that's okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Sounds great. >> Any further business? >> No further business for my end. I make a motion to adjourn the meeting. >> I will second that motion. All in favor? I >> I as well. Thank you everybody.