some meeting we got some meeting um minutes to okay any questions on it at all no December good job Brooke I make a motion to approve the minutes of the December 10th 2024 meeting second motion all in favor I
I we'll get ready into um old business um one Hastings way believe he's with us hello sir hello you're from um could you just state your name
B yep one hting way okay thank you and how can we help you I have a problem with my bill the water and S bill for the quarter and 93024 that is SW week is that
right there was high usage on the bill but I don't believe a leak was ever found okay so you guys Abad the sewer portion of his bill okay and now I believe uh usage has returned
to normal rates is that correct that's correct okay and so what further are you looking for on the bill from you know I paid too much money for the September quarter bill I paid about according to my
calculation I paid about $800 over see my normal usage is about 11 units a quarter but this one to 86 units 86 which is about 1 one unit a day about
7 750 gallons day that's too much something was wrong they found no l in my house but they CH the meter after the meter the last bill I got was fine so I think something wrong with the meter you should have a program to change the
meter every often the meter was 18 years old so I should be I should I should get get back the money you build me according to my calculation I paid and he build me again on January 31st 6151
18 so I should get back 650 6508 plus $100 about 758 plus interest okay so did we test this meter this the one we we we never the meter was never tested the meter was never tested because it was offered to be
tested and there was no request to have it tested so we got rid of it it wasn't like we took it and didn't ask it was brought up and it didn't they didn't want and it's been replaced so the opportunity was there to
test it correct so it's fine now the last the last what they got is fine so Mr sakar you you were offered to have your meter tested and you declined why did you decline to have tested I don't know I don't think I declined I thought I thought it is your
met is up to you to make sure it's okay no it's not up to us to make it sure it's okay if he wanted to have a test that he needs to pay for the test right but we had offered that to him that's what I've been told I don't hear that well I know that's protocol when we
do have a higher Bill to offer to get it tested uh the homeowner would generally pay for the test and uh if it came back abnormal in your favor then we would obviously wave that fee and correct the bill that's what we do uh that's
protocol for the water department I was not told all this I thought the meter was bad you should correct it because the meter M have been bad because the last bill I got after the meter changed it's fine
so met must have been bad I was not told about the details that I have to get I have to pay for the testing and I I don't remember declining anything the meter was obviously bad how would we have offered him to
have his meter test would that have been something we mailed or no you asked just ask them um not just that but the a leak detection was done in his house with the old meter in it and there was no no leak found
so it's not like the meter was running exponentially while they were there I mean with an older meter would you say that was 18 years old that's not 18 years old is it been 18 years old that that that whole area is
not even 18 years old uh about uh late 2000s O's yeah is it really okay all right my my mistake so I mean if if it was a a one meter if the meter is one I'm assuming it's a
positive displacement meter yeah it's going to run if if you're gonna you're G you're more up to for it to miss water than to add water it's not going to add water I've never seen it come back tested before um where it's over
registering I'm not sure what else we can do um if without without having the meter you might have to from this I understand but could you explain to him what we did when we first got this complaint and what our action needs to
be which is no action so he can explain it so when we got the call when we of the bill the high Bill we sent the we sent the tech out and uh they went in your house and and they looked for a leak they found no leaks
correct and they looked at your I'm assuming they looked your Bill too and and saw that there was a there was a jump in that that time frame of the bill that was present that that also correct I'm assuming that's why we're here I think
so yes yeah so like I said protocol is is we we we check for leaks we check in your toilets and and everything like that we I know we had a leak there before not in your house but in in that general area that we that was unfounded as well we didn't we we didn't um we
never found the leak but the water passed through the meter somehow some way we we have we we have no idea what goes on on the the homeowner side of the meter I mean it could be something that in the in in in the toilet that you're not going to hear I mean I know that one
this gentleman that we before he actually I thought he shut his water off if I'm not mistaken in any event uh that's no here or there uh but I know that um what we do is protocol for us as a commission we
uh we will wave uh the sewer charges if if you know it's that's really the best we can do and we can't really do much after after that after I have to take it to Legal I have to take it I have to a lawsuit against
you because I I am not responsible for the meter is your meter you're responsible for making making it CH it's not my meter and after the meter after the meter was changed my bill is fine so something
must have been wrong with the meter what else could be wrong I that's why we offer to have the meter I mean if if we had the meter tested uh when it was offered when we told that it was offered to you uh it was not done well I don't remember that
I don't remember that okay no well we also if if there's a leak it doesn't necessarily mean that it's leaking onto a floor it could be an internal leak like a toilet toilet then generally it is because you don't hear it generally you don't see it we've already abated that for him so we've
already that's what we're assuming we've already given you a break on this bill in terms of of of well canc if there was a leag then it'll go away on it own after the me change why would it go away after the the bill is
fine so what could what could have been wrong I mean it's very common sense we can only guess from here surise well I have I have to you know I'm in the whole $700 abor like one one one United day
according to this meter which is about 750 gallons a day which is absolutely impossible and after the changed the bill is correct so I don't know about your protocol but you know it's a simple
that a toilet yeah well it being so far after the fact in no way of of uh testing that meaner now I don't know what we can really do here I I I I vote that we um that we we don't take
any action any additional action take to Legal that's a motion then I second that motion all in favor I I so what decided we we we can't take any more action on that okay I have to take
it I have to then take it to Legal I have to file a lawsuit against you okay okay okay all right thank you thank you thank you uh 399 Old Colony Road so this um was uh
gentleman who said they were trying to sell the building I believe and he had shut his water off inside the building and um oh he doesn't live around here I can't remember it's I think it's a commercial building is is it the fisherman 3 no no it's not the Fishman 3
I thought it might have been it's the building directly next to the post office so right after the post office on the right oh I was think SP down okay oh the okay oage there it's a white building with like I think a triangle
roof so um they um state of the water was off we couldn't get a read they got an estimated Bill and um they had said the meter was on the outside of the property leading us to believe it was a meter pit but it's not the meter it was the radio read box but we did get
schedule an appointment to get inside the building and then we got a visual read and um the visual read was indeed a minimum Bill there had been minor usage but uh I think like two units total okay
so um it's up to the board to propos to um Abate the bill um Abate the water fees and interest and Abate the bill down to a minimum water bill um bro did
we change meter do you know we did we did okay right okay and we weren't getting a reading on it so um you visually checked it everything was everything was fine it just there we weren't getting a reading anymore but the usage was a minimum
usage so um that's their the reason the whole reason we went in there is because their estimated bill was high and they said well the water's been off the bill shouldn't be high so um the visual reading that lined up with
the high estimated bill or no it lined up with a minimum estimated to high probably yep yep okay so we can we can evate that down to whatever the minimum charge would be wave the fees and and the interest yep
all right um I'm fine with that if you guys are uh then I will make a motion to Abate the um water bill for 399 Old Colony Road down to what the minimum usage would be and wave the fees is that
right wave the interest W wave the interest fees I second all in favor I I okay we got some new business coming up so the MBTA overlay uh is actually going to get bumped to next meeting all
couldn't make it okay all right probably had six people just signed off right now um 162 Dean Street Water Service yes okay so I spoke with you briefly about
this a couple weeks ago so 162 Dean Street is um I don't know if any of you know where old Dean Street is but it's right before old Dean Street when you're on Dean Street and it's a very very long driveway probably five or 600 feet the
property is a duplex uh it was built by a gentleman for his kids I believe in the 80s but it's not a duplex where they're apartments and one rents a unit from each other they're two condos
so and uh so there two condos there's a long driveway there's one Water Service the Water Service feeds the unit if you're in the driveway feeds the unit on the right there's a water meter the unit on the left is then fed water from the
right unit and there's a deduct meter in between which has only recently been installed and that's not something we installed that's something they put in on their own okay now the rules and regulations state that each dwelling
must have their own water service if this was a building that was being rented and um you know they had a big meter for the whole building that' be different but they're each their own they both own the unit
now the unit on the right uh about five years ago I should say they were received a letter that said they need to correct this problem you can't each have you can't have a water service serving two homes they were told that needed to be
corrected one meter off of one meter and one Water Service they were told it needed to be corrected um neither unit did anything about it and the unit on the right that the water service goes to and has the meter in it
was sold last year which we don't really have any provisions to block the sale is that correct Brooke we can put we can put money on that's owed to us on the mlc but we don't have any way of
blocking the sale um that's something I think that needs to be addressed later um but um it it went through the um lady who's living in the unit
now and the uh now found out about this after this a situation that everything needed to be separated and whatnot and they weren't told she wasn't told that by the people buying she was buying the unit from the lady on the left now wants
to sell her unit but she knows that she can't sell her unit until the two water services are put in okay the second water service is put in now there's some disagreement between the two of these and I don't know if it's
just a disagreement or a disconnect of information I've seen them both I've told them both the same thing I think maybe I need to talk to both of them at the same time but from what I can gather the woman who has the Water Service entering her unit
does not want to have the line cut into and put a te on and feed the other unit the meter before the meter so that Frank and I had spoken with um Danny Rich who was representing the lady on
the left and we had said we're not going to make you go back to the street it's a 500 foot driveway right and we're not going to make you do that we'll let you tie in you know 20 30 40 feet in front of the house yep cut the line put a t in
run a line to the left unit put a meter in and then sever all connections between both sides very clean and easy the woman on the right doesn't want her line cut into she feels it can cause issues farther down the line which that
type of work's done regularly and the water service is in her name and she the other unit pays her a water bill however they have a deduct meter right there's a deduct meter
however a the the service line is serving both residences so a as far as I'm concerned it's both of their lines to begin with even if it isn't both of their lines even if it's just the line on the
unit to the right she is still Furnishing water to the other unit which that is a stated you shall not furnish water to other premises in the regulations so regardless either it's both of their line and it needs to get cut into or
it's just her line and then she's violating the regulations so she had said you know oh can I shut just shut the water off and make her figure it out and I said well to me and I spoke with the health department that's you can't do that that's just a health department violation so according to the rules and
regulations if you're in violation of any of them we have the right to shut the water off so I don't know where the board stands but I had proposed to them kind of acting as a mediator that you cut into
the line you both have you put a t each each line after the T has its own curb stop yep and from those curb stop from that T I should say from that t to the curb stop out at the street is
documented on paper as a shared shared a common area you know there are common areas there's the driveway there's other things that are common areas you know there are condo so you know that's another thing is not only would she have to go back to the street to do to make the connection but
well then who's paying to have the driveway ripped up and paved so you know these are I said you need to have it drawn up that that's a common area you both are responsible for paying for it from the curb stop at the street to the te and then after the te it's each your
own responsibility um I don't know if the board is so if they put a t in there have to be two more like curb stops so you got the one at the street right here the one at the Street's about 10 to 15 feet in the in from the
property line and you put a you put a t here and she'd have to have a a curb stop and she would have Curb stop after the te y so you can shut them off and then they have to separate everything inside the house so they got two separate is the dispute between them a
financial one like who's going to pay for it or is she uh I think that the unit that's trying to sell has agreed that she would pay for it but I think there may be some issue with her not paying the water bill because I
don't know if she stopped paying the water bill because the other lady wouldn't let her tie into the line or whatnot there's it's it's a complicated situation and it's a situation that we don't have really precedent for well first and foremost
the lady that's responsible and her name is that's going to be on this meter that's paying the bill she's responsible for anything from here forward if this doesn't get she's the one that's got to pay for the bill she's responsible you know that's that's I I hope she
understands that right because she's the name that that we're going to from from our billing stand point right but from from doing doing this doing just a a simple separation and that's and this is standard in most towns around um this is
what this is what we do in Mansfield too same exact thing that you're talking about John it it does it does total separation and then you have the both shut off so in case there's a problem here or if there's a billing issue or something we need to shut the water off for whatever reason right it doesn't disturb the next person MH now but since
we we don't own this part that's owned by them correct we really don't have any say in what they do other than if you don't comply with regulations we can shut your water off correct correct um so as it stands now the pipe comes inside the structure water inside the
building and then there's a t coming after that and one part of that t is going then it's all plumbed up inside yeah correct can this all be done inside um meter inside the building no because
then you'd have to have access the woman on the left would have to have access to the woman on the right to have her meter changed to have anything like that ites it does it doesn't doesn't separate yeah so she's
got another meter here a deduct meter right which which which is so whatever she uses gets deducted from that but we don't do that in house they do that on their own so she knows exactly what she's I mean she's what what she's using but it sounds like they're not allowed to do that no uh they're not yeah they
can do a deduct that's on them that's the we don't Supply the meter we don't but that's not standard that's notop for us no no no but but but it's done it's done for people like U the mall in Mansfield they they do that it's more
done for big meter right it's more done for that or if you know certain towns that uh will deduct um you know SE charges if someone's filling up a pool or sprinkling their lawn or so your recommendation is that you know you and
I discuss my recommendation is standard letter follow our Rule and regulations and give them 90 days to implement it right should we not there's a dispute between the two they'll have to work out that sounds like something they have to work out this test to pretty much happen well
so that's the issue is that as far as the woman who already had has the meter as far as letting them work it out on their own the woman that has the meter in the line her thing is it's her it's my neighbor's problem she wants to sell
the house she needs to run it out to the street if she wants to do it but the woman with the meter is the one Furnishing water to the other unit so she's the one who's actually in violation of the regulations but if this pipe going out is a shared pipe between
both owners correct why does she how can she not allow this person to tap into that pip well because technically right now you know this it never should have been allowed to get this far did it because it was right but you know on
paper it's not a shared line on paper it's her line and she's giving water to the other unit now the driveway I think is a shared driveway and it's shared with another unit that's not even associated with these who's over to the right somewhere so
you know um but you know while she says oh it could it could damage my line well right now if anything goes along with the line right now it's on her entirely to replace it yeah so you know I think I think both of them need to have their
have lawyers hammer out the logistics of the wording of how they want to share the costs So based on what we know is we don't believe there a parent agreement correct it was originally going to be that that's where you started out so
they probably didn't worry about it correct they sold it the unit now it's the problem so as you probably know there is all sorts of different easements in the world one is the right of way in order to travel on the ground is the driveway per easement but then
there's a util usually utility easement which is describes things that happen underground it's two different agreements even though you may want to say well one has to do with the other but I think it's a Mach law thing one is a right away and one's a utility but
that's not again not our issue okay and I've been involved with this problem before and they ended up running a separate water link I'm just TR to tell you that because they were so um P what hot-headed what the story was it was it
ended up a completely separate wway which is is there any kind of like homeowners association involved in this at all I don't think so but I know that there are common areas at least on paper yeah it's probably just a right away in order to Traverse property what do they do for
power is it overhead are you doing know I I can't say but I believe they share a septic system is that even that's a not my monkey not my circus but so she won't let her tie into this and says no you got to go all the
way around the street she can say okay you got to pay for half of the digging up of the driveway then because that's a that's a i that'll be on them yeah I don't know that's that's kind of a waste not our yes me that's kind of crazy for both of them the numb seem like that
would cost a lot more yes significantly more yep and is there a time frame associated with the fact that well she she wants to sell right yeah she wants to sell she's willing to pay for this does this hold up the sale you said we don't Capital lean on the property
having to do we can we can put the cost of a new water service on the property but we can't force the work to be done can't stop the work can't stop the fail not as it stands now I don't believe we have the
you know if this was a new build yeah we can we don't have to sign off on a certificate of occupancy but it sounds like they don't also have the option of continuing like it is no well we've told them that it need needs to be rectified you know it's on paper that we've told them this is
not you know and if they if they don't then the water gets shut off you know that's something we have in writing that we have the right to do um so P come to show we need to exercise that you know and the lady on the left wants to sell
and from what I gather if she doesn't sell she can't afford to keep it so you know that's a whole another kettle of fish that we really don't want to get involved in but I'd say a letter needs to be furnished
by the commission stating Hardline this is what we expect to happen and you know I don't know if I don't know if in the eyes of the department that should be viewed as a shared line because it's sharing it's servicing both
units I don't know I don't know it's not a it's not a situation where we have precedent well there's no it seems like it should be since it's completely separate it' be like two separate houses on on one lot I mean if it was if it was a family grandfathered in type of thing
uh that's one thing but once you start separating them uh I know it's going to go back to our rules and regulations but we need to have that in our rules and regulations but you already know that to to make sure that this doesn't happen again future because this is this is a mess it
shouldn't it should be able these people should not have been able to sell either side of that correct without this in place correct especially since they sent out a letter 5 years ago yep so do we have a copy of that letter
from five years ago we do I don't know if it's handy at the moment but we I can definitely get it to you can we reference that maybe when we write the letter yeah good idea and and and uh this nips this in the bud geez this
is terrible especially if this lady yeah well and there's really nothing we can do physically is that corre I know it's on private property like we can the wall do the work right no
okay I think we should drop the letter sign basically follow rules and regulations yeah I agree and give them X number days to complete the job yeah is that something we need a motion for depart letter and we sign it
I don't think so yeah I mean uh uh yeah I mean give me the authority to draft a letter and have it reviewed and signed by each of you y yeah okay okay we need make a motion for that sure I make a motion to allow John to uh
draft the letter for uh 162 Dean Street situ ation or the commission to son y second all in favor hi hi good idea John okay all right super all right so
um I Brooke and I had worked on the budget last week uh everything seemed to have gone smoothly we're still waiting on some numbers from town hall as far as um you know interest on debt and things like that
um our interfund transfers money that we pay for insurance and other other salaries throughout the town um overall we didn't really beef up the budget that much couple things that we thought you know might need to be uh
brought up a little as far as you know electricity and gas and propane but for the most part other than the uh standard um colle collective bargaining raises and stuff stuff the budget is relative I
didn't do the math on what the actual percentage was but it didn't go up much didn't go up much um uh 299 South Washington Street uh they were extending the um Old Dell
water line to connect to our existing um everything went swimmingly they connected pressure tested chlorinated sampled uh all set good to go uh line is active now to the uh at least to the property line I think it might
have been to the town line but I know it's at least to the property line which is you know the difference is 20 feet something like that but uh they installed two new hydrants um so they will be tapping that main to start building that building
soon but uh probably in the springtime but they needed to have that done to complete the sale of the property y so uh that's great to have that extra water down there in case you know there's a lot of uh still a lot of
land over there you know across the street and stuff that could possibly developed and U it's good to have it for fir fighting also um I'll skip number three I'll bring that up at the end of this uh I
received emails about um our annual statistical report and consumer confidence reports um going to start working on those you know compiling data all of our sampling results for the year any contaminant detections um just information to the
residents that uh they can pick up on one packet and try to know a little bit more about the water uh water in town uh the statistical reports more for the D Reon cause uh you know they you know tells us tells them about our gallons
pumped for the year how much we are unaccounted for um all of our operators information licensing information uh you know lists all of our infrastructure things like that it's
basically D's file on us that we have to update yearly um we had a productive meeting with Wheaten College um they are going to be doing a extensive pool repair uh from one for one of their um Olympic
siiz swimming pools so um I actually think they contracted Weston Samson to kind of spearhead the project for them everything operations and everything probably won't be till after commencement but they're going to pump their pool into our sewer system
they've already cleared it with the mfn uh going to keep the flow rate around 300 gallons per minute uh you know we could probably actually handle close to Six but between um keeping it that way if there was ever malfunction with our Pump
Station it leaves enough room between our wet well and the sewer infrastructure that it won't be backing up for any reason but uh that was also a number that was came to if
Came Upon if they were pumping at night through the night which I don't think they're going to do so we should have a tech you know 10 minutes away at all times if something were to go wrong but how how many gallons we think how many I can't remember I can't remember uh it was a
lot it was a lot a couple couple um so uh so they they'll be doing that after commencement and that's all going to be you know we told them it's not it's not they kind of came to us see if they could get a break on the pumping
and we said no we're paying the same for mfn so you're paying us the same to put it in there um you know it's not the old days where you can just dump it on the ground and ask forgiveness later you know chlorinated water and clean the
pipe yeah so um we've also had a couple of uh maintenance issues the last few weeks um we had our lock at our Center tank um just stopped working it had been vandalized years ago um like years and
years ago and uh what lock the door the lock to the door to the center tank and um so now it just wouldn't even the internal mechanisms were all broken so we had that um had that fixed whole new
lock handle everything brand new um and then we had them fix a couple other doors that had a couple of sticky issues with them um that was good uh needed to have that done so that was nice um we also had a
heater at our Cottage Street um pump house for lack of a better word uh um kind of sputter out so we had a company come out and try to fix it they couldn't fix it um so they ended up charging us
not for the they didn't end up charging us for the parts that they were trying to put in there because it just wasn't working and a replacement unit not the exact replacement unit but we found a replacement unit for $500 that we're going to install and at $500 if it lasts
you five years and craps the bid you buy another one is it electric yeah yep yep uh and actually we bought two so we bought one for our uh well six um our well six old
pumping house the old chem feed room has electric heater in there and we just replaced replacing that too and that's I think $200 the other one I think actually may be LP I'm not positive about that
um so that's what we got as far as that we also are trying this week we're putting we just put our um you guys know we bought a cab in chassis uh we just had today the old dump body welded onto that um the bed length is a little
longer than the the bed we took it off of so we actually got a um kind of a I think it's about 12 Ines wide T wide 12 in wide and then tall tool boox that fits behind the
Cab in between the bed so some welding needs to be done to have that fit in perfectly but we sent that out today and hope to get that next week um our Mac Truck that we ordered our six-wheeler uh we heard back today and
supposedly it's going to start getting like the truck itself is built now it's getting it was sent out to the outf to have I think the dump body put on and the other things put on so that we expect to have at least finished building by the end of the month so
hopefully we can get that by Springtime nice um now as far as uh the D meeting we had um and I'm sure Tara will touch on this a little herself uh last week we
received a letter from the D um and it was uh it wasn't an ACO itself yet it was a draft AC which stands for administrative consent okay so basically um
Norton's violations that on their face are maybe not the I don't want to say minor issues but on their own probably wouldn't result in an administrative consent order they kind of wrapped them into one
ball and are saying basically we have to come up with an agreement with d on how we're going to treat these issues fix these issues and when we're going to fix these issues um the letter itself reads
awfully kind of threatening and uneasy uh but upon talking with Tara And D themselves I spoke with Jim mlin and anyone who's dealt with Jim knows he's a very level-headed easy guy to talk to and work with it's kind of he's trying
to use it as a tool to help us get what we need to get the job done so um we're going to have a meeting with them uh at the end of the month um Steve I think you should be there I wish we could have
all of you there but it's not a public meeting um and we're going to be discussing at least a draft of how we're going to address our tthm issues which we already are with the Air Raider mixer
um our lead and copper issues which our sample results are fine we just haven't been able to meet the 60 samples the last two quarters the last two what's that semiannual sampling periods uh which again is an easy fix I'm drafting
the second sampling plan in as many half years to try to meet those 60 but our results are fine they're bulletproof even if all of the samples we didn't get failed we still would be below the 90th percentile for lid so that um the
continued maganese exceedance is at well one uh even though it's a limited Source we don't use it all the time and even when we do use it it's only pumping about 200 GPM um they still want to see the
manganes coming out of that addressed uh you know they understand that it's a blended system the water that's going to Residence Taps aren't the not the large majority of them are not exceeding the maganese limmit but they want to have a
plan in place to have that fixed and then posos um basically they want to know because we've had one exceedence at well 3 previously in the spring you guys probably remember we had to shut W 3 off um we haven't exceeded since then for a
quarterly result but we have had individual samples that have been above the limit but that's not how you exceed it's a quarterly average so while we're not in exceedance right now they understand that that's you know a touch and go well and they want us to
not only for well 3 but all of our wells have a plan in place for how we're going to meet the new a EPA limit which is four parts the four parts per trillion for p 6 Tower is at four parts per trillion per contaminant I never yeah
per it's not the P 6 is just m d you're which are the two fours and there's a so it's it it's different but it's it's a lot lower right right it's an EPA limit or massachusett it's an EPA limit right now
but it's not in effect yet but the state I was speaking well and the the uh the state has the option to adopt it if they want to now the EPA is holding off on adopting
it with the changing presidential situation who knows if it's even going to get put into effect but the APA is never going to stop the state from having stricter limits than they have as they want yeah um so I would expect that
to be not very far down the road you know within the next five to 10 years no no no longer than that I would say so um well right now they have the six components they're looking at uh that's
that's the 20 parts per trillion that we now that're really a mark in P or and pasos is that right yeah so Mass D has the six the the multiple thousands of different people right yeah um and they
they have a total combining all those together their total is 20 parts per to and then the federal government has says new regulations which every state is reviewing at this point and then finding some feedback but that came out in April and the inent is too that that's likely going to go across the country and then
every going but it is um not like two are the same and then there's also this Hazard index and and some other so there's um you know there's just long-term concerns but you know historically Mass has always been a little bit more stringent than well you said the EPA one is four parts per
trillion yes they lowered it the goal is non detect that's that's so it's GNA go from 20 to four and if it was pots per million for just two individuals one for yeah so right now it's it's 20 for six to combin but so you could have a
you know 3.5 and a 3.5 on each one and you'd be under but if you had a five on one and a two on the other you com be seven 20 is still play and no more than four on any indiv so it's lower standards you need to meet that right
right so um so we're going to move forward with that uh you know it's um it was kind of a a I'll provide you all with a copy of the letter it was jarring to read when you first get it but it's a lot of legal
but very standard form for right St so uh that's all I have the uh on the ACO um we're just the stage that we need to respond let them know that you can attend the meeting yes yes yeah but the outcome is we have to respond with a
basically an implementation schedule when we're going to be uh or at least a draft that we can further negotiate with them y yep so that's all I have if you want to
have Ryan go first he's Ryan you still awake oh I'm here I'm still awake can you hear me at all Hello can we mute you Ryan maybe can
you hear my my audio is working so can you hear me now what about now nothing this is Verizon it's interesting we can see his picture here on the computer but not on TV that's
weird we'll figure it out Ryan hang in there so I don't now on the TV we're not seeing anything move so oh yeah I'm looking like I'm sleep on the TV good point uh oh
I been powered down I was checking out these we even we're recording anything nothing at all are GNA make our lives remember years ago had to walk through
all that elb yeah both ways through through Chad carpet turn the TV on and off well this got through com yikes Ryan can you hear us good all
right well that's good you can hear us so we can't talk about him I wouldn't read his lip Steve I wouldn't read his lips how about them Eagles h I think we are recording still though we go can you hear us Ryan I can
hear you guys can you hear me awesome awesome so that's that's probably why you didn't hear me earlier when I said uh that pool at Norton is like half a million gallons that they're planning to pump out okay wow um yeah I'll I'll I'll do a quick
update sounds like the ACL might take up a lot of time there um but uh I think Steve did a pretty good job at the last meeting talking about some of the talking points that I'm going to touch on so the uh School connection project that's a pretty big one going on right
now so he explained that we put the project out to bid uh digit was the low bidding contractor on it uh for the base bid um we included the base bid two alternates for upgrades at the pump stations each there so as of right now now um we're trying to figure out the
best corse of action to uh make sure that the pumps at the high school can handle solids we're pretty sure they can handle solids and they can abandon that septic system connect directly into that wet well and pump uh directly into the system at the yell school there's some
older Gorman rut pumps that they're you know they're t2s so they're a little smaller than we typically would want for solid handling so we're looking at some alternative conditions uh or alternative pumps for that uh in advance of our pre-con meeting so we have a pre-con meeting scheduled for
Thursday February 27th uh with the schools and the contractor to kind of discuss those options and figure out what the plan is going forward and again they're not going to start construction until the summer till school's out for that project anyway so little ways away
but uh biggest update there is just the pre-con meeting that's happening and that we're looking into some alternative options for the pumps out that uh out at the schools um regarding the pum St sorry go ahead no that uh that job you're referring to
does that in um involve the Valentine property too and going up uh no okay all right that's separ that's that's a completely separate project yes um yeah the this is at the high school in the middle or the yell School sorry not the Middle
School okay y y thank you um so the pump stations in town um I know Steve last time had mentioned that there were a few I almost say issues at some of the pump stations but the Hol Road generator um there was a coolant leak or something like that uh that the
contractor had come out and fixed I assume that is still okay I haven't gotten any update on that um and John this is what I was referring to earlier when I said there were a couple Pump Station things that I wanted to confirm that got addressed from the last meeting
so um I'll put this in an email to you tomorrow uh just you have it on your list um that's a warranty item is it not I believe so yes um correct me if I'm wrong John but I believe it is a warranty item for that generator um and then at cob Street I
guess uh the contractor had just left some uh materials behind in the pump station and they were I think the the contractor is bisco so bisco's owner said they were going to get out there and clean up the items in the pump station so it's pretty easy stuff so
hopefully that is the case um but John like I said I'll I'll get this stuff to you tomorrow just to confirm So yeah thank you y uh and then the biggest thing on the list is the Elm Street project um so no
true updates from Steve's last update last month um Mike units and Paul DJI are essentially taking the Reign on the whole Tiff discussion um regarding what that's going to entail how it's going to go down with the town I do know that there's a select board meeting this
Thursday where they're essentially going to be talking about uh putting the Elm Street project on the special town meeting warrant uh along with that Tiff so John I know you had reached out and said that uh St they wanted Steve at the meeting uh Steve will be back tomorrow
um so I can talk to him about that but I'm sure in some one way or the other one of us will be there uh to provide support yeah I'm not sure they're going to need you there but if he could at least make make sure he's touch his base with Mike units to see what they want that would be good absolutely
yeah meeting for the sh yeah no I think that's what they're discussing yeah I was gonna ask if any of you had heard if they had scheduled it or not because we're still kept in the dark on whether or not they're actually scheduling I don't believe they
have no so that that does play into the schedule of things I know Steve had mentioned last meeting um I know they had talked about scheduling at the beginning of February which here we are at the beginning of February and now it's potentially at the beginning of March but the further it gets kicked down the road the further you know we're
at risk of losing that that grant money uh to to fund the project so there are options to frontload it if it does get you know push comes to shove and we do end up pushing it to Springtown meeting but let's hope we don't get to that point trying to stay optimistic on it
so um and then and the last thing I have is just the peer reviews I know Zer Mansfield was still hanging out there um I didn't get to catch up with Steve before he left um on vacation so I'm going to try and catch up with them tomorrow about that final peer review but I think it's in good shape from what
I remember him saying uh so hopefully we can just wrap that up this month and be done with it and uh I think that was the last outstanding peer review that we had so and that's all I have for updates right thanks appreciate it no
problem hey miss terara you are on um so not too much um overall but just a little bit of an update so we're still working with the um the driller on the screen design for well four so I think last meeting I mentioned we had completed the drilling uh started to
analyze the results it all looks really favorable over at well for um just need to kind of discuss uh what we want to do with this screen get that ordered and then get that um get installed so we can do the pumping test um the goal is to try to get that done um non Peak demand season at this point but you're also on
the other side of the road so it's not too bad but we do need to do a full test on that 48 Hours um and then so what we did last time when we were working on Wells 5 and six we just made sure your tanks were fully filled up making sure it was working with all the other different things in the distribution
system that you need to do water quality sampling and all that make sure the timing is Right work with d over at the plant and get that ready to go but right now you're primarily using four and six so if we took that off want make sure that not doing it in an opportune time so that'll be a decent amount of
coordination for that um but that's probably still I think things have gotten a little bit better but I want to say it's probably still about a month out till you know we decide on the screen delivery as far as that goes but I should have a better idea um next meeting of exactly when that'll be
scheduled for installation so um um I think you know as far as the aat project goes we're kind of in the same boat with um as Elm Street we waiting to put that on the special town meeting um there was some notes in the um draft administrative consent order by D to put
aors in all the tanks it wasn't our original intent to do that but um certainly um it can be done um we just want this was the primary one because it kind of feeds the rest of your system so um it also feeds um rich just an AB which is kind of your problem child
right now so and then Cottage Street elevated gets filled by Cottage Street ground storage so your 2 million gallon ground storage is our main focus and that water you know goes right up to cage Street and then out into the system and that that location towards the western side of the system so um that's
our intent we can kind of talk through as we we work with the EP on the negotiations how we want to rephrase some of the some of the um administrative consent order orders um and then I mentioned that southwester street shut down for the winter uh I did have one of my inp that was out there go
by seems everything's you know looks pretty good just want to make sure there's any issues we have seen in other communities having some issues with with this you know intense freeze 40 degrees you know so there could be some Frost evening and stuff like that so if you do see anything you know feel free to call them immediately there an emergency but
let us know keeping the loop if there's anything on but um from what we can tell things look pretty good out there for so keep that going um and then just to kind of I think that John gave you a pretty good summary um you know we had a we had a good call with the EP it was
kind of a preliminary call just to kind of check in hey you know what was the purpose of this and um you know that it was more of a holistic approach kind of have it all together U there are two benefits to an ACO and there are some negatives obviously because you're on the hook and you need to have a time frame and you can get fines but on the
other hand it can help you with scoring for points for for srf funding as well as um to use it as a leverage point with Town meetings and and indicate well this is the state is now finally indicated we got to do something and we're required to do it you know by the state and help
to try to get things to pass easier through through um through town Town meetings so you know as far as the D is concerned um you know wallet is something that you know came across as a little bit of a shock and a little bit of a concerning letter um the languages
like if you do not respond you will be prosecuted and stuff like that so um you know it is something that can be can be to a benefit too so we've known that there's been some manganes issues for quite a while over at um well one um it's a secondary contaminant which is kind of one of those things where based
on usage the hope is you don't have to use it too much in this I think John gave you great you know we've been talking about this for a while it's a very small area in town the Blended system for the most part right after you come out of that well it gets mixed right away it's pretty minimal for for the customers DM's been ongoing again
started that project um we also just recently received a signed executed copy at the last meeting for the um Alternatives analysis so that included P to look at that look at optimization at the treatment plant take a look at um thms in your system as well and then
also kind of look at well one and talk about well one and two potentially transferring flow over to um to well one maybe even putting a well field in um just taking a look at that of making it a little bit more beneficial if you did want to put treatment over there putting a treatment plan in comes with a lot of
cost there's other implications with an operator needs to be you know primary oper needs to be there so you know there's a couple options that we're going to be looking at with um that report um but the main I think the main goal here is you know the holistic long-term approach to to the posos
remediation and what you need to do there so we'll look at kind of a couple different options with that too were we going to do some piping down there or did we do that already so we actually were GNA do it and then by um resting the well we were able to you know we're
not if you're you know it's been noticed by other water systems that depending on um you know seasonal and or or rainfall and or just resting well it you can actually see the levels and p drop you know so we were getting 10 12 you know parts per combined so we didn't need to
get to that next level U but we know that there's there's an issue long term so if you continuously need to pump that say one of your other sources went online but that's still an option that because I know that was kind of cost effective and it was acceptable it seemed like and we were going through that after the meeting um you know can't
pump directly into the well to kind of blend but blending post um uh post the well itself somewhere that was the tough part about get finding a location to actually tap and do that and then um monitoring it and making sure that it
was you know Frost issues because the outside would be easier but there's not a lot of inside but then if you go outside then you have concerns there so again that's a temporary but they're looking for permanent gotcha yep and that's we've we've addressed the when you as soon as you got the initial hit
that you were in violation uh a well over a year ago I think at this point um you are required to respond back with a shortterm corrective action plan and then a long-term this ACO just basically takes them all together lumps them together if you um are looking for
future funding you know I think out of our Alternatives analysis we're going to be you know pointing you into certain directions that might be you know beneficial overall long-term um concerns here and then you need to fund it so uh with these large capital projects like the treatment plant um srf is you you
know if it's posos related as of right now um you know contaminants of concern and P are are being um principal forgiveness is a is a huge part of it there are also options um your tier two uh disadvantage Community assuming that sticks with something that's actually
still viable in the near future um that's an option for you to get some some actual Grant funded uh monies towards the the larger scale design that we'd be talking about too so um so this helps you get you know the ACL you get points
for it's interesting it's counterintuitive but the worst your system is sometimes the better for for funding wise um you can see some of the folks that consistently are at the top of the list or you know have not done a lot with their systems over the years so okay so you get penalized if your
systems in good shape well you hopefully are running so smooth that everything just you know yeah your operation maintenance is pretty minimal you don't need any major catastrophic improvements but so that's what Jim was referring to as a benefit to this
okay well well that's the first for me so the tier two tier two you were referring to not a federal H the the state has designated the the tier 2 status so tier one Tier Two and T tier three but the fact that the money comes from the federal government the potential with the fact
that they're going to get rid of any kind of disadvantaged communities anything related to Dei which is not what we're talking about here in a sense but um yeah nobody know okay yeah fine that first of all is I think it's
been Bren for the month so yeah all right um I have something I'd like to bring up um if that's all right um I had brought it up to Ryan just briefly about the the Su line um
going up toward yeah the Valentine and and and I guess the Box Shop curve where the goat city is I guess that that gentleman could potentially be interested where are we on that because I know they they had uh uh you guys were going to do a I thought you were going
to work with them and do a study whether it was going to go out the back way or just kind of wanted to bring that up again because it was brought up you know to me so I just wanted to get you know an update that's it um I haven't heard anything from Steve
on that I know Steve was kind of taking the lead on on discussions with uh you know whether it was Valentine or whoever was you know talking with the board um I know we received a plan from them about some I don't know if it was their new I
don't know if they were putting something new in but we received plans from them a while ago and after that I haven't really seen anything else from them so it sounds like there's a few other um other parties that are interested in this line yeah in particular that the big Plaza with the
goat goat city is I can't I don't know what the name of that Plaza is as well as the the shop next to it or this is what this is what I'm gathering yeah so was that email to you for some reason I thought it was to Steve Peterson was
he on that email or was that just to you and us I don't recall I don't recall on it I remember he was doing something to test his septic system on last test to see if it was he remediated some U because he had some stuff on the ground that he had to remediate I know but then he talked
about one option being going out the back of his property the middle school yeah I think that was brought up up to them there I don't know when that line because there's a dedicated line in the road for the middle school that's going to get reversed correct right yes so I think that's what you're talking he's
got other people on the road now that are all interested in it that probably wouldn't work doing that it sounds like good now he's talking about extending the actual sewer so so in the in the past how do we determine a sewer Project's
needs so I I know that we sued around the lake because years ago right we did that because the lake needed sewer system right we extended on East Main Street because they were reconstructing the road right something like that right
sure West yeah West yeah I mean West so what motivates us to say okay let's expand the solic yeah uh I think a combination of uh you know needs area as
far as infrastructure needs as far as you know septic systems and stuff but also Economic Development I mean I know that West Main Street West me oh well Paul wants it but it's not what they're proposing isn't us to I mean you're you're probably not going to
develop a a mile of sewer M just for this project as far as I remember it was something where they were either going to try to put some sort of joint funding together or funding along with the town uh do you
remember Ryan I know you said Steve was dealing with it more but um yeah I think it kind of goes hand inand with the comprehensive Wastewater management plan that was put together for the town so that ultimately will dictate where sewer that John used mentioned those needs
areas that ultimately dictates the needs areas for the town and where the sewer needs to go and it just so happens that that area is in one of the needs areas yes Forest Main Street y yeah it goes all the way down West Main Street and then all the way up what is it south
wester Street on the other side um that's one of the needs areas as well yeah so that would and going back to that you know funding option um having a cwmp and having an area a needs area identified in the cwmp if the town were to pursue srf
funding that's definitely a plus to have already it definitely get you at the top of the list if you have a comprehensive Wastewater management plan put in place ahead of time so whether or not you know the the logistics of that would need to be ironed out um obviously with the the
property owners and and uh you know the interested parties in the area but yeah it's it's an option um uh for that for funding that area so we have residents on Elm Street that don't want sewer with a $3.5 million Grant so yeah there's no
Grant on West Main Street to extend that Su main so you're still going to have people that have to connect and tie in and it's going to be the same um so as far as how the decision gets made Steve I don't know it's it was done the the last one was done before I
started here which was the West Main Street sewer extension so um that one was because of the Housing Authority the upgrade so that's what spurred it to go ahead so right it could be something similar in this in this
sense so um we'd have to get into I'd have to reach back out to Steve when he gets back and uh figure out what what he knows about the whole situation maybe invite them back to another meeting to to discuss and there anything we can do whatever we can do well we meeting with
next week next month we talk about the MBTA overlay District maybe we should ask Paul at that meeting the procedure or whatever how they Paul wants the S extension because
of planning Out Future stuff the question is that's great what's our next step do we engage Western Samson to conduct a feasibility study to figure out what it would take in order to figure out to meet their
needs or what and and whether know who's paying for it we can work that out later but if we want to stop I mean you know we're talking about it today you know maybe in five years we'll be built so if we don't talk about it and do something it'll never be built so the question is
is that something we want to look look into again I don't know how to start it either I mean obviously we're not going to build a sewer and they're going to come you know you build it they you know they'll come if the needs are there the question is should we take appropriate action to De with it
I don't know the yeah right and if so do you only run it to there or do you run it further have to make a determination based on what you said on needs yep and the comprehensive Wastewater plan and fail setic systems
which is the best way of justifying it yep septic system today 5 years from today will'll be able to fix your problem that's I know I know that that's that's more of a critical need across the street from
Valentine than at Valentine itself I think Valentine's bigger concern is as far as the future of the property than their current state of the property but I think there's more immediate needs across the street
so yeah we'll have to yeah talk with Paul and Frank and okay see where it goes from there all right uh next meeting we have a conflict on the 11th you said is Tuesday the 11 y yeah that's the conflict date and the
18th is also a conflict no oh that's not just be the following Tuesday yeah that work out great me too yeah actually perfect perfect all right we have any other uh business uh items you'd like to speak
about well before we you want to go into a ex session do we have to rule that or not no I think we can close out okay so y all right all right Jim favor I make a motion to adjourn our meeting second all
in favor all thank you very much everybody