rise to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> How is everyone doing? Doing good. How are you? Doing good. We don't have to
hook into the town anymore. Is that true? The uh old IT system is no longer functional. So we are now blessed by uh our friends who were here previously. >> Great. >> And it's good to see you.
>> Yes. Thank you. >> Well, it's the most watched TV anyways. It's really good. >> Absolutely. Especially with that hat. >> It's the only one I have in my truck. I thought I have Well, um All right. Let's uh approve minutes. Um
>> I'm I'm present by the way. >> Oh, I'm sorry. >> I'm present also. >> I am I am physically present. >> Excellent. Uh we have one set of minutes to approve. I'm going to go ahead and make a motion to approve the minutes from the October 14th meeting of the
board of water commission. >> I second. Oh, thank you guys. >> Hi. Hi. >> Sorry. Good to see you. See you. >> Sorry. Hope you feel better. >> Cold. >> Um, we'll go right on the line.
>> Sure. >> We'll go right to 260 South Beach South Washington. >> Yeah. Warehouse. >> Okay. >> Is we have people here? >> Yeah. Come on up here and state your name and
uh pull a chair. Sure. Hi everybody. >> Hi. >> Hi. >> I'm Gareth Gall with Kelly Engineering Group and this is John um the applicant project storage. So
know the commission has seen this project um probably a couple months ago I believe. Um we peritting um currently a freezer facility this portion of the site. Um we have received all the approvals and um one thing that came up
is that the town has a 12-in water man um basically straddling the property line um on the um but we didn't even we got approvals and everything were filing for permits. We were ready to start construction and all of a sudden we were
talking to the old Let me introduce my name's John Galler. I grew up in Sturbridge Mass. went to SMU, UMass and North Armit. I worked for Condi when it was started back in the early 80s with Don O'Neal, Jeff O'Neal and Fred O'Neal and all those guys. I guess the two sons
are running now and Don passed away. So I'm very familiar with the history of Cranes Landing and Totten and Manish and Norton and New England Ice Cream and the Cape Cod Pizza guys and everyone else buildings. I used to own Condai freezers and I was preferred freezers. I know Norton. My wife knows Norton. grew up in
Brockton. Pretty busy. >> She grew up in Brockton and um this site has been a I know the guy that owns this ement, John Carroll, and everything that I own with this billboard. I've had to deal with them. We have to deal with the fact that we just got this 20ft easement. The reason
this land hasn't sold is cuz it's one strange shape. >> It's got a swamp, which is no big deal except it's a swamp right in the middle of a really tight spot. >> Then you got this 20 foot ement, which makes very very narrow, even very, very narrower. Mhm. >> And the only drawing we had ever seen
for the water line was something that we got from Condime when we were seeing if we could tie in the sewer man instead of putting in septic cuz it's a private sewer line. So they said they'll let us tie in. So we were good. And then they gave us a drawing for the tide. I go, "What the hell is that?" And they go,
"Oh, there's a water line there." Oh, that's okay. It's on the property line. It goes just like this. And then he we're not so sure. And then someone was good enough from the town to call us. Is that is that one of you guys? >> It very well could have been me. >> Yeah. Called and said, "Hey, I know what there's a line back here, you guys." And
that's we all said to each other, "Oh what do you mean there's a line?" And then so then we find out it it wasn't put in straight like this. And it >> zigzags like this, but then it zigzags a little here and it starts to get close to the back of the building. So that's when we all said, "Oh shit." And title
companies didn't find it. No engineers had drawings for it. So, I just want you to understand it's not here to fight. Didn't bring a lawyer. It's not This is We got a problem together. What's the best way to fix it? That's that's all I want to do is what's
what do you think the best way to fix it is? What are our options to fix it? What's the easiest way? We will grant you the easements. We're not here to fight it. It's how do we fix this so we can get under construction because we want it to be building already. Um, so that's what that's the only we're
just here to figure out what's the best way. Leave it in place and we can figure out how close. My problem one was, you know, obviously >> that's for that building that's over there, right? >> This is for spears. Yeah, correct. There's water in his tap for the fire. I can't move the building because with this 20 foot easement and how narrow if
I move if I take any more, my truckyard's already almost too small >> cuz the damn thing's so narrow. Um, and ju just so you do know, it's a long thin cold storage, but it's not like the big cold storageages that are in town or in Taton now. It's, you know, it's only 30
ft high. It's a bunch of little eight units. It's for the little food guys, you know what I mean? Cape Cod Pizza wants to take one cuz his business is growing so fast. He needs some storage. There's a flower distributor that wants one. There's a couple of fish guys from New Bedford. There's a Crocker in Windsor in Boston. So, this is for all
little local food guys. It's not a big, you know, you're not going to see 100 trucks and traffic like that and stuff like that. Um, so the question is pretty simple. I'm happy with leaving it if that's what you want to do. We have Is Carl here? >> Yeah. Carl's here. You know, he was
>> he's been in sight business his whole life, like 80 years. And with Campelli, so he's done site work. >> He doesn't look 80. >> He doesn't look. >> I started in the foundation excavation bid in New York City and stuff like that. So, we know how to if if we're going to be 6 feet away doing a trench,
we'll be four or five feet from this thing. We know how to put case on supports and stuff and just do 20 ft at a time so it can never collapse. Save it. Pull the footings in little pieces while we go by there. >> Yeah. Just run trench boxes like we said. >> Trench boxes to protect it. Make sure we don't touch it if you really want us to
leave it alone. And then I found a company in Ohio that does custom fabrication of aluminum staircases. So, we would put these really lightweight the fire staircase to get out the back there. So, we don't need any footings on the ground or foundations or anything. So, there's there's plenty of room from the footing. And if you ever had to work
back there, god forbid, well, someday you'd have to replace it, but those are just unbolt them and take them off. And we would do it for you cuz they don't weigh anything if you've ever seen them. And then, of course, the other option is replace the pipe from here to here, which we would do at our expense and put it straight where you'd like it. The
question, we're going to need a lot of help because I read someone's note. You're obviously not going to shut down for days or weeks. It has to be something that's done in hours. So, the way to do that is run the line first and say you're going to tap your hands. >> But I don't know anything about where's the valve here, where's the valve there,
can it be closed here or closed over there and closed here. And he's the only one isolated and we can bring in tank trucks, fire trucks, hooked to a height, whatever. So, he's protected for the two or three hours. >> Is that a loop? >> We tap. >> It is. That's a major loop main. So that that's what feeds
70 to 90% of the fire suppression for commerce way. That's why that was >> which way does the water flow >> from here to there? >> Otherwise there's no water here except that >> No, there is water there but it's dead ended and the amount of water used by El Nylm and the other buildings on Commerce
Way is is rather significant. So that's the reason it was installed back in the 80s to supply Commerce Way with water. So if you did a firewatch, you'd have to hitch up to a hiding over here to a hiden on the other side. Probably all you'd have to >> There would be some significant
concerns. That's why, you know, leaving it in place is the best option. It doesn't mean it's the only option, but >> no, we're we're here to cooperate. This is not Oh, screw you. I'll go. No way. I this, you know, I'm an engineer and I built buildings. I'm in a fancy suit today, but that's not my background.
Trust me. I bought enough concrete and dug enough ditches. I could replace the pipe myself literally. >> Not with my daughter. If I had a Sonic quickly, she's 19 and doesn't know how to do that. >> She'll learn, but >> right here is crossing 195 coming from this
direction. >> So, we will do it. We will do it either way. We will leave it and show you what our plan is to make sure we don't go near it, we don't touch it, we don't hurt it, grant you the easement with no argument or fight. Just have your lawyer talk to ours, draft it, get it drawn by
Kelly Engineering, and record it. If you want us to replace it, we'll replace it at our expense. >> So, the discussion where we're at now after speaking with the town manager and the town's legal counsel, they have to do their due diligence on their side to do a title search. Not that you guys
didn't do everything. Absolutely. They they want to make sure they check off that box. So, I was actually speaking with them today before the meeting. Um, they are still going through that process. They get to the point where I think it was it was one of you gentlemen I was talking to. Um, we actually have a senior tech who still
works here who was here when that man went in in 1982. Um, he recalls speaking with who was the alleged property owner at the time. A general >> that whole slack thing I keep hear last name. >> Look, I'm not I didn't pay much attention to it. I I got enough problem trying to get built on this site. You
know, the fact even the the town's attorneys are very surprised that where 495 was involved with this when that went in in 78 and 79, they actually put a corridor in >> under 495 knowing that we were going to put the water main under there.
>> So, the fact that the town was involved and it was a multi-year project, you know, and the state was involved, everybody's just sitting there scratching their heads as to where the document >> where's the dock, >> right? Not saying that it never made it to its final destination, but obviously there was some thought that went into this project. Um, so we've been
instructed until that determination comes down from them not to make a determination of what to do um as far as with uh with easements and all that, but to definitely look at your proposed project, >> you know, based on the current layout as you show. Yeah. >> Um, you know, because that's basically
what what their next step here is to give you, you know, the means of moving forward. Um I believe there was some discussions about connections of your connection water connections off of this line as well to help you avoid going hell rather than going here. >> Absolutely. >> That would be that would be great.
>> So I mean I didn't know if that was was being closed tonight or if these plans haven't been updated yet. >> We have >> Well, we don't we don't know. We don't we don't know what's going on. >> So the building you're putting in um proposing to put in, how far away are we looking from the current?
>> I have it in my brief answer. There's one key pinch point that's pointed out. So, so like here it's all the way out here. It's still all here's where it gets here's where it gets close about five. >> Have we done test bits to confirm these? >> It was marked and we located it located.
>> It was it was traced and and flagged and that's how that's how they have the overlay here. But as far as actual digging, uh obviously we don't have access to the private property, so no. Um so the trace could be off by one or two feet, you know, either side of the water man as you know how they work. Um,
but it really doesn't change, you know, the placement of it on here with such a minuscule. >> Okay. >> So, these these are these are the four staircases that we we would do them all cuz we're going to order them. We have them built. We'd have them built in Ohio with their it's an American factory. That way, we could just if you ever had
to do this, we would just unbolt these. They're aluminum. Put put them aside. You do your work. Bolt them back >> and five back if you want to do that. And then if you want us to move it, you know, like from here to here, if it's 50 years old, I don't know, you can end up
with 200, 300 feet of brand new pipe for free, but we'll move it. We're willing to do whichever you think's the right thing to do. You'd like us to do and then just how do we do it, >> right? >> That we have to we I would put the whole new pipe in first
>> and then be and then on a weekend >> tap do the tits. >> Right. Do the tits and be done. just to cut in right on each side so it happens at the same time. Maybe it's an hour, maybe it's 2 hours. >> Open it up and plate it and then just have >> Yeah, we'd have to fill this and get it sterilized with pressure testing and all that.
>> Same for the for the I'm sure you're going to be putting valves there. >> Have the valve assemblies made up. >> Yeah, we have all the valve assemblies and then just just do a cut in. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. You put four guys doing that one, four guys doing that one. We're out of here. Then you have a couple hours >> all pre- done and then so >> yeah that's be
>> we're just here to say how do you how how do you want to do it and we'll work with you and we we both have the problem let's fix it together and it's all behind us. >> There was some discussion that went around that the property boundary may not be exactly correct. Is that still being looked at?
>> We're all trying to figure it out that >> part they think the property line's actually a little two feet this way. >> Okay. >> Off to the last title. I mean, there's been a lot so much title search on this, but there was a different boundary I think used for spheres,
>> but this boundary matches the deed, the title, and there's been >> Okay. >> Yeah, that's the only concern is that if it does get moved, obviously, we want to make sure it gets moved to to the correct spot on the correct owned property. >> Well, we'll give you as much easement this way. If you leave it here, we're going to give give you an easement right to the back of the building and this way
and this way. If if we move the pipe, we're going to give you and if the pipee's going to end up going, you know, let's just say let's say you want to do it from here >> and keep it more this way so that you're farther off our building till you get to over here, >> right? >> We'll do the whole thing and then you'll actually have to deal with this guy, which I can't see him arguing because
you say, "Look, well, without that Eastman, you're not going to get any Warner, right?" >> So, he's probably going to say, "Okay, I I he and I had a little bit of disagreement. I I held my cool, but I asked him if I could tie into a sewer line." Why would I ever let you do that? I said, "Cuz it's a shed line. Who
cares? It's just sewage going. Why would you make me pipe all the way to the street >> if you already have uh a pump here and your sewage flows into it? This building is going to use almost no water. >> Yeah. >> It has one little bathroom per year that three or four truck drivers and a couple
of wards are going to take a leak in and flush the toilet. That's it. There's no processing. There's no washing down. >> None of the refrigerant goes back there either. It's all >> No, there's nothing. So, so it' be very little sewage and very little water and we're not really going to irrigate. It's a swamp, so I don't think we're going to
need to do much sprinkling. >> And I asked him if I could just tie into the sewer line. And he said, "No." I said, "Well, maybe I'll turn your water off cuz you're on my property." And he goes, "I don't expect you to do that." I said, "Why can't I tie in the sewer line?" Well, what if you dump a bunch of poisons down there?
>> Okay. So, hopefully that conversation isn't over when we go to move the water line. I don't see why he wouldn't just let his neighbor tie into the line that then pumps to here, but rather not have >> Quick question. >> So, relocating the building this way, we're
not going to do because of this easement restricts you, but you don't have room. >> You can see how here's the driveway. >> These are these are bays for trucks. So, you see, cuz um with this driveway, if I move this thing anywhere this way, I get in real trouble. I can't even back a trailer here and then get a truck in
here >> on account of this easement being here kind of screws you right. >> Well, even with it, it's this I'm I'm trying to now get approved to pave over his easement. Otherwise, >> my truck might actually. >> So, you're you're you're considering that easement as part of your space to use it. It's just available for him to
drive over. I I wanted the town to approve that I can do this, >> but now I need the billboard company and John Carroll, who actually owns this uh easement that they bought from the Must. I still got to get over that hurdle. So,
>> I'm just curious if this easement wasn't here and there were no wetlands and it was infinite land and none of this mattered, how physically far back would the building have to move to not have to move the water line? Are we talking five feet or are we talking 60 feet? >> Five. Probably five five to 10 feet.
Whatever. Whatever he was most comfortable with to dig. >> And that small number is enough to not be able to to screw over this whole side of the building. >> Yeah. >> Wasn't 10 ft here. He could. >> This is This is only 15. This is 160 ft. Here it's 162. And this is the driveway.
>> So even if I put like a 22t box truck here, this tractor could never back in. Yeah. Okay. Cars park here. These trucks won't be able to get in these doors. I'm within 2 ft of this parking lot function. We almost canceled the project because of how skinny it sucks. >> And there's there's so little parking. I
have to build a parking lot over here and I got to put retaining walls in to get around here. That's why this site hasn't sold. I mean that this is a nice park. It's a great driveway. It's off 495. It's a good town. Everything about it is great. But look at the shape. It's not exactly a perfect rectangle.
And then it's interrupted by this and then this easement. >> And what's this? 20. How many feet is this? 20 feet. >> 20 feet. 20 feet. >> So by relocating the water man back as far as possible, does that give you the option to move the building back? No.
>> We got a variance already to be that close. >> The state statutes, the statutory building code is 11 ft. >> This the IBC is 11 ft. The original park had a 25 foot reveyard setback because parts of the park have neighbors and residential, so they made it 25. That
doesn't change the noise any, but they made it 25. It's not really the building codes. >> And we went to the town, they said, "No, this is just a driveway to a warehouse. So, you can't go any closer." So, we're at 17 ft where we could have been 11, but we're good. We're good where it is. We
could have gone more, but that was that was >> too bad at this, too, because the tape was off. If that wasn't there, you could take everything and move back. >> You guys all close your eyes. I'll build that. >> We can grow some more frogs somewhere else.
>> And there's no opportunity to uh repopulate the vegetated wetlands and swap these two. Has that been looked at or discussed or is it too expensive? >> Well, we got the easement issue in here, >> right, >> for the this billboard guy. the billboard person owns it and
filling in wetlands today is not what it like it was years ago. There was a couple of what they thought might be vernal pools. We had to go through four months of testing for that. And oh my god, that was I built buildings easier than just figuring out that those two vernal pools were vernal pools. >> And when the fairy shrimp showed up, I
almost I go, "What the hell is a fairy shrimp? What's a little thing about this big? They died in a week and then they're bone dry now." It's been tough. Not not anything to do with you. Just a state in Cong. Difficult. >> So we can't readily relocate the water
line on the um other person's property. We have no right to do that. >> We had no right to do that. Exactly. Yeah. It was if there was a movement, it would have to stay on this property. And I don't think that's going to give you enough for the separation. So moving is probably not an option right now >> without having conversations with spears to see if they would grant these.
>> You want to let him tie into the capital where it is. >> What's the downside? >> The only downside is for our future. Um >> if there's a main word, >> if there's an issue, we don't say that word, Steve. >> Yep. >> You know better. >> She know better.
um you're risking the possibility of undermining the building depending on what you have for footings, flooring and all that stuff there. Um obviously the response time is going to affect that if we happen to be driving by and we see it
happen as as opposed to happen at 2 in the morning >> when the guys are, you know, an hour and a half away. There's a major difference on what can happen. um which is the the biggest concern is with the reason why we asked for certain easements not only getting the vehicles
in to do the repairs but you know the impacts to structures around the area >> and the water man's 50 >> yeah two that went in 46 years old >> 46 years old >> but if we got an ement on the neighbor's property what would be the width where would the line be off the building
>> off of their building if it was relocated we we definitely want to put it in the middle of the 20oot ement so we we'd go 25 off of this. >> If it was if if he would let you come farther, you go as far as you can and you go from here to here if he if he allows it.
Otherwise, >> I would put right down the property line and get 10 ft on either side cuz we're 17 ft. >> That's not >> That's all woods, right? >> Yeah, that that's that's grass. >> They went they went through and they they cleaned that out so they could do the the connection. >> We're 17 ft from the property line. So
>> if if you actually took it from here to here, you could run it right on the property line. So you're technically not working on his property except over trenching. We give you 10 ft, he gives you 10 ft. And now you got, you know, you got now you have a full 20ft
easement with no nothing in your way. >> So since I can't see the drawing, where is the water line compared to where where the building is? the closest point. >> I don't even 5T at the five or six feet. 5 closest
point. >> So in reality, the difference is it would be 5 ft further away from the building if you relocate the load based on the 20 foot. >> If you put it on the property line, it would be 12. It'd be 12 to 15 depending
on how accurate the markings were. On the property, you pick up 7 ft of separation. >> On the property line, it would be 17, but 12 ft from the edge of the steps. >> But if you get permission from the other, you can put it wherever you want. You can go 20 ft if you want. He's >> potentially that, right? >> Yeah.
>> And he does nothing with that strip. It's his driveway and just some grass and some a detention basin and a bunch of garbage. If it's trenched in the landscape, put back, what the hell would he care? >> Yeah, right. You would think >> he's the same guy who won't tie let you tie into a school. >> Well, we didn't talk about it that much.
I wasn't going to start a fight, right? >> Yeah. >> So, logistically, it's not that easy to build a water man in somebody else's property starting now. >> I It's going to take a while to pull that rabbit out of the hat. >> We could do it. I I have no problem
building the building, protecting the pipe, and we'll do it later. We're going to be building the building for a year if So, if you if part of the deal is, look, build it. Don't touch the pipe. But we really do eventually want to move it. I'll move it. We don't have to move it now. I'll build a building without it. But you want us to move it. I won't
landscape back there. I will buy the aluminum stair. I don't have to now get these special stairs that are unboltable and whatever. And I would do it now right where it's close. I wouldn't do, you know what I mean? So, and then we'll move it in the spring or the fall. Whenever you get your paperwork done, I
we'll move it. We'll I'll put a letter in writing. You know, our lawyer will draft it. Your lawyer will draft it. I'll sign it. We guarantee you the 10-ft easement. We will replace the pipe and we'll figure out how to do it and plan for it. >> We have no mechanism to do that though, right? >> We do not. That would go through the attorneys.
>> Yeah. >> I mean, we could start discussions with the owner of Spears and just see, you know, what the temperature of the room is to see if there is any interest in going forward with that. Um, I don't think there's any way that we can force them to do it. Well, if I if I were if I
was the owner, not just to be a nice person, but I'd be sitting there and go, "Okay, so my my pipes come from pipes that are quote unquote illegal, not in the right place, not properly drafted, not properly documented. Uh, you're going to put a new line in, replace a 50-y old line, and then everything's
copthetic in the way it should be. >> And I don't It's not going to cost me any money." No. Why would I say that? >> I wouldn't care. >> Why would you? >> Most people would be I don't care. >> Why would you say no? Thank you. Right. >> Do you want a coffee? >> Exactly. >> That's the I I couldn't fathom someone
saying no. >> You know, you got the line that supplies your building, your piece of real estate with water. It it's it's got a problem. We'd like to put in a brand new line and fix it. It's 50 years old. Put it right on the proper line where it should be with the proper reason. It's God forever the bid. There ever is a problem and
everything's everything's done. I I can't imagine him saying that. >> So, what he what did What was your discussion to do? What are we supposed to do now? Are we supposed to wait for the title? >> Wait for the title search to come back, which we don't anticipate they're
finding anything different. >> So, assume that that's not going to demonstrate anything. Let's just make that assumption. >> Mhm. >> Would you prefer to have a proper easement and have >> a line relocated?
>> Absolutely. So if we want to do that, what's the mechanism to go to the next step to actually do that? I mean drawings have to be easement drawings have to be drawn up. >> We would probably I would feel as though we'd have to do some sort of demonstration for this gentleman's
spears >> and uh so he has a better understanding of >> this is zero impact to him and we'll make it, you know, especially when the shutdown I'm sure he's probably going to be more concerned with than anything. And we could do that on a Saturday or
even a Sunday. >> Holiday weekend doesn't matter to me. Do Memorial Day weekend when everything is shut down, right? It's going to cost me a few bucks, but it's four hours on Memorial Day. Every place is closed and I'll pay the firemen in double time and just >> let's do it. >> So, the construction is we'll say the
cost is covered for all that work. The question is the legal needs to do that. >> Great. My I mean I know how to do that by the way. We've all done that. But I'm I'm trying to figure out how we do it as the wise commission. >> It would have to go through towns legal.
>> No, I understand legal, but who's who's preparing those plans? >> That would either be >> we would prepare the plans. >> We could prepare these or then >> Okay. >> And we would draw where the pipes going to go >> and then we just have to coordinate with you, you know, cuz we don't know where the shut off valves are. And
>> okay, so we that's a technical detail we'll figure out. So if that's the case then if we have a I guess I I guess I don't know which one's first we approve for them to proceed to do that function of whether or not we as I said we have no
right to do it. So it's a approaching of the company to whether or not they'll allow us to do that. Can we do that? >> I would probably reach out to them personally see anything. No, he can't prove anything until we hit that next. >> I mean, if they're willing to work with
us and obviously we can explain the benefits to it and leave it up to them. >> I think he said we need a memo understanding from the neighbor or something. >> MOU. Yeah. Okay. >> I mean, that's so you know, basically to say this is not going to cost them anything. We're not going to disrupt them. We're going to have this, do that, whatever.
>> Well, our our I guess our request after hearing all this um is, you know, we're approved and everything. We'd like to build a building. We all now know where the pipe is. We'll do everything we have to to not touch device, not hurt the type, not affect everything, protect it. But with the
open understanding that I got the building built, I won't reig on it. If it takes you months to figure out how to do the replacement, we'll do. >> There's got to be some kind of contingency though in in the event that let's say it's takes us a year and you
sell and now it's a new owner in year that comes in and says, I'm not paying that pipe. >> I'll put the money in escrow. If that happens, if if anything was to happen, we'll get all our budgets and tell you we figure it's 80,000, 60,000, 100,000 to we'll get a budget. We'll tell you
what our project budget is for it. We we'll do it. Not a problem. If we were to sell the property, we'll take that amount of money and we'll put it in escro account. >> That would be the only thing I would worry about. >> But we're not >> promising to do it later, you know. >> Yeah. There has to be >> Who knows how long it could be two years, >> but there's going to happen.
>> We'll come up with a reason. You guys find out. You might say 6 months. say, "Well, give us a one-year guarantee." >> I can't I can't do it for perpetuity. Should I'll be retired. >> So, can we do anything tonight regarding that? >> I think we can look at the proposed plans, the proposed connections if you
guys have them tonight. I know there was some discussion coming into that main >> and basically vote on the plans separate from the relocation of the of the main and the easement settlement and all that stuff. So before we talk about that, is there any way that you would be
happy with leaving the pipe as it is? Would you have a certain level of comfort to leave it where it is? Um, I don't know. You know, you know the gist of asking. >> I'm not opposed to leaving it where it is, but there's been a better solution presented tonight that I'd like to
investigate. >> Okay. >> Okay. Yeah. Replacing it one. The other one, when we dig the footings, and I'll let Carl go pine to this, but I used to do it because I I told you I originally came from New York City before I lived in Sturbridge. I worked in New York
buildings. When we see the soils, when we dig the footings, if it's soft enough, cuz we've already done some, the dirt's pretty good. >> If if any place we find a lot of rock, that's not going to erode from a break, >> right? If we dig those footings and we
double check as we get closer, then we know the pipe's 4 ft over there. I I might want to just bang in sheeting, metal sheeting like you do for a dock. >> Hammer in hammer in from here.
>> If the dirt if the dirt's soft >> 2 ft off the foundation >> for this length, hammer in the same sheeting you put you ever seen a seaw wall at a dock or something like that or whatever. If it it do do a few borings, we tell you it's soft. I'll bring in the
same sheeting of the steel that's this thick and corrugated. We hammer it in below the ground two feet. You never see it. You don't know it's there. That line ever breaks. It's a complete shield >> for under the building. I'll do I'll just sheet it. >> Yeah. >> And that way you dig. You can never hit our footing that you know where we know
where the pipe is. We'll flat we'll put concrete marks. We'll show you where the sheeting is. But I say we sheet it. We hammer a sheet in. My other thought, John, would possibly is just do a deeper a deeper footing well below the pipe. >> Yeah, >> we go 10 ft.
>> Yeah. So, when you're in a trench box, we can go as deep as we want. We just go deeper there. My only concern with we can do it vibrating next to that pipe. Then there is a lot they're driving. >> That's why I said how soft. >> Yeah. Right. Right. It depends on how soft. That's why I said you got to check the soil. But the other ones we just do
we could just do a deeper footing. >> Deeper footing. >> Deeper footing and foundation wall. >> Yep. just in that where it's tight and that's >> but we got to use the case on boxes. >> Right. Right. We got to do that anyways. But >> well, like I said, we'll we'll build the building and protect it >> and then if and when you want us to move
it and you have time to plan and do the legal work, we'll do it when you tell us. >> Not a problem. >> We're just here because we can't ignore it. We had cuz without it recorded and everything, we could have just and like everyone, someone says, "Look, the pipe's not on anybody's plan. Nobody's
there. Let's just start rebuilding. That's not the right thing to do. We're going to have to wait. No, honestly, I'm just being honest. Someone pointed the pipe out. We We should have just broke ground. But I just I I didn't feel comfortable doing >> about your water surfaces. >> The what?
>> The water. So, this is sort of a, you know, crude markup of just because, you know, before we finalize this, we want to get an agreement on the city commission here. Um, so originally we had the 10 tapping off of uh South Washington, looping back
around to form a loop. So now we're proposing, you know, assuming, you know, tapping off this main, we tap the 10 to the fire and then complete the loop back around with a, you know, an eight. Um, that's one option. And then the other option um is just to
>> that mean that means 10 in >> 12 the 12 here we'd be tapping with a 10 for fire and then this is just you know if the loop is not required we would just dead end it here and you know have a fire have a fire domestic off of that. The greens are just a six for lateral
speed right now. Um so we've kind of developed these two schemes um you know basically tapping um two times into this main you know one for the hydrants on this side not for that side or to make a loop this way
if I remember right hydrant placement was already approved by fire right >> yeah these are there's >> Makes more sense right >> oh yeah >> there was a hydrant out in the Yeah, this >> one right here too.
>> So that's that's for the FTC connection. And then we had these two back here for um hose lengths um >> for the rear. >> Yeah. [Music] I mean either of these would would definitely work. I mean the loop is in the regulations for uh being required.
The only concern is with this being six um hydrant laterals. So the only thing that's allowed to be a six. I mean technically it is a hydrant lateral but if they're worried about flow in the rear um >> there's no structures there. No buildings. No. >> Yeah. But we've had issues unfortunately with with truck fires that they are very
gunshy about not addressing. They are you know pretty >> So you do a 12 by8 tap and then do a six six connection to the hydrant. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean or if you were going to run that down like it's shown here where the six is um the main between them could be an eight and then you
could reduce down right at the high six is >> um you know probably easier and cheaper to do that than it is to do another tap >> doesn't matter to me. Yeah. >> On the trucks with the flow, especially if they're at the end and trying to
pull. >> So, you prefer this one, Frank? >> I would prefer the loop. >> Yeah, >> that's what I know that definitely was presented to uh to deputy chief cuz I remember discussing with him. >> It definitely guarantees the flow rate.
>> Yeah. Yeah. So on the tie ends of the two taps, it's to the main that's staying as opposed to the either. >> It would be for now if we It would be for now >> and then it's part of what we we would put new ones in when you run the new
line and then reconnect. >> If you put the If you leave it, you leave it. >> We try to put it in a spot where it's outside of the impact zone for the replacement. Come over here with this one. >> I'm just trying to save you money out a little bit. >> I'm just trying to save you money. Yeah. No, we could come like this. We could
tie make sure we tie in here. >> Figure out where where we want to make the cutins later and just go outside of those areas >> and and if we never replace the line, they're fine where they are. If we replace the line, they're outside. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Yeah, >> that's what I would do. >> Yep. I agree.
>> I mean, I just, you know, >> it's a good idea. >> And, you know, this we could even just, you know, bring out on the outside of the trail of storage, too, just to leave it. So Frank, uh based on this discussion, what would our motion be to allow these
guys to proceed? >> I would approve these plans um once that you can obviously sign an initial um as presented with the connections, you know, to be outside of the impact area should the should the man choose to be moved. Um, I see no reason why that why
they can't move forward with this and then we can come up with a solution if that pipe's going to re relocate it or if it's going to remain in place and they can determine what the best method is once they get down there. When when we dug that 10 or 15 years ago to excavate to the top of the pipe and I
believe that was for the Spears building. Um, it was all sugar sand. It was beautiful material out there. >> Yeah, the material is not bad. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, I mean, there is a good chance that you could drive something in there with no impact. >> Well, we'll see when we know, >> right? Until you get there, you can't tell. >> Yeah. Like I said, we'll we'll when we
start to dig a little bit, we'll do we're all experienced. We'll protect that pipe. We'll put the foundation in. >> I I'll you get us a letter or whatever to sign however you want, whenever you want to. That if you do determine you'd like us to replace the pipe for some period of time,
>> we'll do it. In the meantime, we'll get the the easement if you need it now. get us the paperwork for that or since if we're just leaving alone and you don't need it cuz it's kind of easement by default. I'm not going to I'm not going to screw up my own water liner. I have no water.
You kind of got me by the jacket here. So it we just want to help you. >> So if we approve the connections tonight with this change, does that allow them to go ahead and break ground? >> Oh, for sure. >> Regardless of what happens with the the big man? >> Yeah. >> That's kind of the main goal we're
trying to trying to achieve. So they won't hold them up any longer and we come up with that little section in the back and a solution for that in the future. >> And that still lines up with what the town manager was requesting of us. >> Yeah. We had permission to approve the project as as presented outside of the impact zone that's going to be affected
by any type of potential. And just honestly because just and to be a good new neighbor and people from Massachusetts if the right thing is to rerun the pipe or rerun the pipe. It's expensive and it's a job but someone's got to do it. >> Okay. And if you guys had to go
appropriate money, it's probably more complicated. If you say the guy who owns land says he'll do it, I got to believe it's easier. >> Do we need to make that as part of our motion or we want to keep that separate since it's >> We keep that separate cuz we still don't have a final determination from the attorneys. >> Okay. So, we just make a straight up
motion to approve the action. >> Yeah. And I'm just making your promise. If you deliver a letter that says sign here from when you break ground, you will replace the pipe from here to here or whatever as in normal for an 18-month period or something like that. Or if you ever sell the building, you'll put this
amount of money in escrow for the sufficient funds based on pricing so that you can then do it. I don't >> I wouldn't anticipate this going very long either. It might take you a little bit because of lawyers and the holidays and I don't I don't you know
>> it's going to take you a year to build. >> I can't imagine it's not going to take well before you you're done building. >> I think it'll take you a few months. This is we're not >> we're not SpaceXing to Mars here. >> It's a water pipe. Pretty basic. If if if this guy and you're the talent, he'll
talk to you different than me. If if you find him a decent guy, he might say, "Yeah, that'd be great. Not a problem. I'll give you the ement or whatever." Maybe that's where you go. Let the neighbor tie in the sewer line. That'd be nice for me. >> Right. Right. >> That's all. And then everybody's happy and it's done. >> And if it takes time, it takes time.
We're okay with it. We'll work with it. That's what I said. I meant it when I got in here. This is how do we how does everybody get what they want out of this? And it's not a fight. The less lawyers, the better. This is an engineering problem. This is not a lawyer. >> Okay. You guys good? >> Yep.
>> All right. I will go ahead and make a motion then to approve the plans for the water connections of 260 South Washington Street uh pending the change to put them outside of the impact zone of moving the main 12 main
>> think so I second motion all in favor >> I >> I >> I thanks guys thank you very much to all the revive the plans and we go to sign off on >> them. Make sure that you get
to signalize. >> Thanks everybody. Thank you very much. Thanks for coming. >> Appreciate you. Good to meet you. I'll see you around. >> Thank you. Appreciate you. >> I'll be living in that hotel next door. Thanks.
We can photographer. >> How do I look on the camera? >> Send me Send me a I'll do this. Good seeing you again. >> Byebye. >> Thanks guys. >> Thank you. Take care.
All right. >> Next up, Hill Street water main improvement discussion. Just want to know if you guys had any questions about items moving forward there. There was a few phone calls that came in. Apparently, it must have been discussed uh amongst others. We heard that this is
moving forward. >> Just to be clear, it is water only. There is no sewer improvements being done there. >> That was >> no easements. Um >> that was reiterated at town meeting. >> Yes, this is Elm Street. >> This is Elm Street. Um we are moving forward with it. We're working with the engineers um to transfer it from a water
and sewer project to a water only project. Um I know Tara and and Ben are working behind the scenes on that. Um we'll be coming up with a cost scope analysis, basically break down the funds over time. Um we did actually meet with Senator Defeny um a week and a half or a
week ago, whatever it is now. Um discussions with him just to let him know about the project, about the the grant that we have. >> Is he part of that grant? He is not, but he's he knows um multiple players in the Mass Works group. So, he was going to
reach out to them and see if there are any options for extensions when we don't have a signed letter of intent from the property owner. >> Okay. >> He says he's heard of similar workings in the past and just wants to see make sure that he can do anything he can to help us out with that. So,
>> so the grant is not completely off the table, although may be a stretch to obtain. So, we're going to move forward as if it did not exist as we as I presented to the select board. >> Um give us the the draw down schedule for um the cash flow expenditures. Um
more than likely um stepped borrowing for the town. Um if they can work it in with any of their projects along the way. A lot of times we get better rates. So, >> but didn't know if you guys had any questions, if you feel any calls or anything besides the ones I have since that night. That's good.
Check that one off. >> Yep. >> Well, the call's pretty much contingent on uh they were all talking about the sewer. >> They were all worried about the sewer. >> Yeah, >> that's maybe a dog park up.
>> There were a couple that were upset that it didn't go through, but unfortunately we we tried. >> Is the developer in play or not? They are still in play. >> Okay, that's what I thought. Yeah, >> let me do another present pres
presentation. You getting good. >> We did it seven, eight, 10 times. >> One more, right? >> All right, we good. >> Yeah, I think we're already down to new business 254
down your packets. >> Um, okay. Yeah. The bill and a uh consumption report. >> Did you get information on that from Brooke? >> Yeah, we did. >> Okay.
I said she had she had to leave early today. >> This is just water only. No sewer. It looks like No, they have sewer. Yes. Is this the one that we had talked about last time we table for another month or
is that's a different one? >> This is this is new. >> I think this is this is a different one. >> This is totally new. Okay. Um so she says in her letter um recent water bill much higher than usual after inspection was told a small hose leak
and a running toilet were likely the cause. Both issues have since been fixed. Um increases unexpected. And so she goes on to ask for a consideration to adjust the bill. So it was a hose leak in a running toilet.
Some went in the sewer and some didn't. Right? You'd have to assume. It's hard to assume, but you'd have to think that the hose leak was more impactful than the toilet probably, you know, but where both were found, it's very hard to distinguish
what was what. So, do we do a portion of this? >> Yeah, that's what he's saying is how do you where do you where do you draw the line on the portion? >> That's because because there's no way to figure >> you call it 5050. >> There's no way. Right. Right. >> You know, in the past when we've abaded
uh is that what this would be as an abatement? >> Well, we don't know if we paid this bill enough. Okay. So, it could just be a reduction in the bill if we did it. But either way, when we've done it for sewer, we've often times included capital on big numbers.
>> Maybe we could split the sewer in half and not include the capital or something like that. >> Sounds like a plan. >> Thinking that you want to go that that way. >> I like it, Jim. >> Yeah, >> good idea. >> All right. So, this is not a debatement. This is just a bill reduction. Um
>> why don't you work it both ways just in case >> um they have made payment and it's not reflected. >> Yeah, we know some math on what's happen 486 uh 243 273. >> No, no, the capital 73 and whatever.
>> We're not we're not doing capital. We're just doing half the sewer. >> Okay, fine. >> So $2436. Okay. I will make a motion to reduce the bill or abate um for 254 Mansfield A for the sewer portion in an amount of
$24316. >> I second. All >> in favor? >> I >> I Okay, thank you. >> What's that? Next bill. He's next. >> All right.
>> Mfield lab. Uh, >> you want to have the table here? Where you want? >> Step right up. We'll give you a comfy chair. Plenty of seat. Big chair. You just state the name and get ready. Happy to. Philo, Allan, and Major Associates. um representing concern home
build that's the zero Mansfield. Thank you for this on the agenda to discuss. I I didn't know was an introduction. You want me to just jump right in? Jump right in. >> Introduce yourself. Well, you already introduce yourself. So, um >> what do I want? >> Jump right in. Yeah.
>> What do I want? >> So, let's talk. >> Zero Zero Mansfield was a project that went in front of the planning board a couple of years ago. Two buildings, 60 units. We got site plan review but got denied on the special permit. We appealed the special permit decision. Uh
got remanded back. As part of those negotiations, the town and the developer sort of reached some conclusions. We're back in front of permitting uh starting next week with both Concom and planning. The project is 72 units zero Mansfield.
Um so we'll ask for a water and a sewer connection for that. But as part of the project, we're extending sewer down Mansfield Avenue until you get to the um uh Main Street about 2 2,000 ft. Uh so
we know there was initial allocation of capacity sort of granted back then. We talked it's sort of expired. We need to renew that with you and back in your good places. So if this project gets off the ground, we've got sewer and water. Okay.
>> Is this the wedge of land that is before? >> Yes, it is. >> And how many units did you say? 72 >> 72 >> 72 36 ones 362s. >> Is this what was very similar to what was before or >> very similar only again more units. So we have so part of the negotiation. So
what what was ultimately agreed to if I may um this is the wedge that you're referring to Mansfield Reservoir is an agreement was made that we would uh deed restrict or otherwise donate a portion of wetlands to the town uh and as sort
of a mitigation for that loss of land the town agreed that we could increase the number of units to sort of equate the value of the land that we were giving to the town for environmental protection. So that's why the units are up a little bit. In terms of the project, by and large the same. Two
entrances, parking, um two two singular buildings. We've added some garages uh along the landscape to many garages. Um but what we also worked through is, you know, we did submit the
application. We've already gotten some comments including um uh from water and sewer, you know, so we're already working towards revising the plans. We originally had two taps, one for each building coming in off of the main, but what we'll do is we will bring in a loop
connection, an 8 in loop connection on the private side of the site, and then we'll do the internal taps to feed domestic and fire for both of those buildings. Uh and then obviously have feeds for our internal hydrants uh that we'll need for the fire department. Um so you haven't seen those plans yet, but
they they'll be submitted through the next revision to capture that request and the requirement to make sure that we have the loop on there. And then obviously the sewer services as we run down 2,000 ft, you know, so we're obviously running the force main line
down. We're leaving stubs as requested, you know, at the roadway edge. We're not tying anybody in at this point. Um, we're just leaving the line. That's our obligation. Tethering it down to library park again. Tethering it down to the connection of the gravity sewer manhole
here and we'll leave the line and the town can then mitigate any future connection connections into it as as you all deem appropriate. So, we're not forcing those connections. This came up. We had a technical review session last week that as part of our permitting,
we're going to address it uh right from the jump because our abuters the last time felt they were going to be forced to connect. >> We're going to be clear up front. There's no force connection. We're going to give them a flyer on it saying we're putting it in and if there's a failure on the sewer system or you want to transfer title or you want to uh
connect, they can pursue that with you all future point in time. And that falls under the privately funded town funded. >> It does. That's the separation based on the regulations that are in place. Now, I apologize. I haven't had a chance to get to the sewer. I started on the water.
>> Um, just are to be clear, are there sewer services going to each property line based on the properties that are fronted or is it just a dedicated force main for this property? >> We are, it's a dedicated force main for the property with the service stubs at the streets. So, where we cross the
street, we'll have a stub, but we don't have a direct stub into all of the properties as we're as we're running by them. >> Okay. >> But will this allow all the properties to connect without digging out the street? >> No. >> Is that you would have to reopen it? Uh, you know, we could we could talk about if
you wanted a piece of pipe, it's a force main. So, if you wanted a piece of pipe running just proud, you know, to make it easier for that future connection, but you'd have to do some digging down the line for sure. that that's where the impact is starting to to be noticed and we've had a few
calls on it already that I fielded is that uh you know obviously it's a state road. There's a lot more involved with getting state road opening permits and a lot more involved with the reclamation of the road once it's excavated. Um you know so I can tell you that there's already some push back by not bringing
services to the property lines and that's something that obviously the boards and everything will be discussing on it. Um I I'm not sure if I copied you on an email I'd sent earlier. There was a meeting we had with the town manager to discuss this. Um while he is very focused on improving the utilities in
town in areas that you know are deficient like this one. Um he definitely just like the commission here does not want to put it on the backs of the residents. you know, not only do they have their connection fee, you know, that would be owed to the sewer department when they want to connect, but obviously, you know, you're almost
going to double that by asking them to get a contractor to do the work in State Road. So, if there's some way that we can work around what's being presented and get services to the property line, you know, I think that would be a big selling point for those along the way. And obviously, the boards have to review
and approve these. >> Okay, just something to throw out there. Okay. So, you know, obviously one side of the road is easier, right? So, the line is what we're proposing is in the shoulder. So, we can stub that all day. It's no problem. And actually, the future excavation is easy.
>> It's obviously the continued trenching across the road. So, we will >> whatever ends up happening here, we can talk through it. We will need to file for the uh DOT permit under the town's name >> uh because they won't grant it to us.
>> Yeah. Yeah, we put we put uh applicants like yourself through as as basically an approved agent. Everything is gets uploaded through Directly through yourselves and we get copied on it. >> Yeah, that's right. It's a pretty common process, but we do have to be involved with it. >> Right. >> Yeah. How many above do we think we talk
about? >> It's really not that heavily populated. Just taking a quick look at it. We are at 30 to 40 is what we came up with just for a real quick look. >> Um obviously having >> There's a streak there too, isn't there? There is uh P Clark over Clark which
we're you know we're again we're we're running a stub off of that one for sure. But >> no so it just opens up opportunities for land um that was not previously developable because of the soil conditions in that area um to change
what they currently have now. So you may see some applications come in for residential homes trying to go to something different larger. So it's definitely a benefit for the town in the long run. I don't see anything huge happening right away. Um, but just something that we definitely want to look at. Um, the
>> No, no, please go ahead. >> No, I was going to say the only the only slippery slope that, you know, hearing what you're saying about leaving the steps for everybody is if we switch cheese that road that mascot suddenly says you got to do the whole road, >> right, >> for us that that that would be a problem. >> You know, just candidly speaking from
the developer side. You know, this the sewer is sort of on the razor's edge. We're doing it. There's a lot of excavation associated with it. But if if DOT tells us we will you know by let's say this 30 let's say it's 15 and 15. I'm making up a number but 15 crossings
they may say you got to do a whole box improvement. >> Is it I'm probably showing my ignorance here cuz I'm not a sewer engineer but can that be cut down by instead of putting a stub to every property put one for every two properties right in the middle of the line that can service the kind of Y out and service. Was that a
thing? No. >> The issue with that is the maintenance aspect of it. If you have multiple homes that are owned by separate entities and there's a problem with that line and it's ultimately determined to be in the line under the state road, you you're going to have the fingerpointing going
on. I'm not I'm not fixing theirs with the water line. >> Water lines. We run into that. You know, we wouldn't want to start getting into that. >> We run into that with condos all the time. You know, when when you have a common line, they they blame the last guy in line, the five upstream like good. >> I know. I was just trying to come up
with a way to make less amounts of cuts across the road. >> So, I'm confused about who owns this force main lane once it's built. >> Ultimately, it would be the sewer department would own it. >> So, wouldn't we own the services to this property edge? >> We would.
>> So, if you w it if you re want to cross and wide it, why wouldn't it be our responsibility anyways? >> It's just not a common practice that you want to get. I mean, ultimately, yes. >> So, it's not a common practice. I get it. We could definitely do some unique things here. >> Well, I would I agree with them that if
we have to end up paving the road, it's probably going to make the project >> Well, that's where the discussion needs to be had with Mass DOT. We know the road is in pretty poor condition in certain areas. You know, maybe there's some fees that could be waved or some or
in agreed upon shared cost. Um, if they're looking to do the repairs at some point anyway, it would be fully funded by them. If we're looking to go in and they're looking to win, maybe there's a joint >> um pool that can be thrown together to come up with the total cost and everybody wins.
>> Yeah, you know, >> that'd be great. >> Um I have a couple contacts at District 5 that are I believe they're working from home, so I haven't heard back from them. asked a few questions about our other things, but I can reach out again and see if they have this on their master plan for when it's going to be um
modified, reclaimed, whatever they call it. >> Bump it up a little bit. >> You have a good grant writer. >> We do not have any grant writer. >> Would you probably guessed where I was going? >> I did. >> Would a directional drill application be even thought of with something like this
so that doesn't have to rip the road up? We did that with the water main replacements up there when we uh we switched sides and abandoned the old one um for the water services. It is definitely possible. >> I don't know if the state allows it, >> but I don't know.
>> No, they don't they don't >> I don't know if the state allows it or not. I mean, we do that would one of my questions whether or not that would be an acceptable. We should look into that. >> Okay. >> Yeah. I mean, >> drill or whole hog or something like that. We use the whole hard at the water
services. >> And the size of the force me has that been determined? >> Uh, so it's a it's an inch and a quarter cuz it's a low pressure line. >> So it's a grinder pump. What grinders it? >> Yeah. So the capacity of that with everybody connecting to it would
obviously have to be reviewed by water engineers. >> Long term if everybody did connect would be big enough. >> Yep. And then anything upstream from that that still has the potential to be built and connected to it would have to be addressed um using just looking at max capacity. So there's a couple
parcels prior to prior to the reservoir crossing that are actually fairly large. >> You guys have used the ones >> and I think Steve actually you might have been in on it too um with the the peer review of the original project. >> Yes. >> Um we had looked at
>> is that Keith Hills property? So Keith's property, there's another one behind that and another second that abuts Reservoir Street. There's probably >> probably close to 40 acres, not including Keith's property there. >> Um, all waterfront the limitations are
there's no waste water. >> Sure. >> There. So, >> um, you know, not that somebody's jumping to get that done, but once you install something close by, you know, it changes the aspect of the property. >> Um, so inching and a half may not be the size that's going to work there. Obviously, that's where we'd kick it off
to our sewer engineers for peer review. Um, I mean, this has been modified multiple times before you've taken over. The original plans >> were three buildings being proposed and a gravity sewer main being installed than they came. >> We tried to honestly we tried to put it
back to gravity because it's just less maintenance. It's easy to get to. We can do it by gravity. It's just there's a lot of rock excavation if we do that. So, the costs skyrocket, >> you know. Uh, I mean, we think a gravity would have been an easier solution here. If you start going down a road where we
have to redo the whole road again, the costs are going to go up. Maybe there's a tradeoff with this area. Well, maybe we go to gravity as long as we don't have to do the road. But but if you're going to defer it to DOT, then all bets are off because we wouldn't have any there's no risk management there. We we could end up doing both. >> Oh, right. Right. You never
>> which would be a problem. >> Definitely need something in >> So, what do you need from us in writing for them? Uh well, we needed to reup that there's an application in front. Uh we needed to reconfirm that we have capacity from the town for water and sewer. Um we can
defer the final detailing on this. We don't need to resolve that tonight. We just needed to remind you that there was a project here that sort of got approved that's about to go back to an approval process and we want to be able to state to the board, we've met with the commission and we're on track to get a
sewer and water approval. Even if you don't want to vote it tonight, that's fine. Just sort of send me on my way with sort of an indication. We'll figure it out. But you have water and sew. Is that fair? >> No, definitely. Um, >> so what about water is not a problem, right?
>> Water and sewer really aren't a problem here. Um, the concern is going to be with what's being proposed for the sewer. Um, you know, that definitely I think is going to have a kick to a peer review at some point. It doesn't have to be tonight. Well, it's not ready for tonight.
>> Not right. But we definitely should make sure that they're going to be aware that something's coming their way and the agreement would be between Weston and Samson. Um not with >> the commission. >> Yeah. If you if you tell me that's what you're going to do, >> you're going to review it. So, I get to
sign up with you, which we'll we'll do. We can we can agree to that tonight. We know that's going to happen. >> Um that's that's fine. put it in the hydraulic model and we have all of our flows and just tell us that everything looks good. That's fine. >> Okay, I'll go with that. >> I mean, we definitely have the we have
the capacity we can supply. Um, I know you said we're going to work on finalizing that the loop for the water there and very basic, very simple. >> Yeah, that that was just sort of trying to oversimplify, but you you pointed out we need the loop. We add the loop and we're not going to fight you. >> Very basic.
>> Yeah. So generally I guess you can make a motion or just gen well I think we're under discussion so I don't know if you have to make a motion for anything but anything I mean I think everybody's under agreement with moving forward. >> So you you have more applications to
fill out uh re apply. So, we we've already applied for planning and we're going to sit down with them Tuesday night and start our review with them and then we'll start with conservation I think at the beginning of December. So, those are our two stops on the permitting track. We
haven't officially filed the sewer and water connection permits with you. We'll we'll do that obviously at the right time. Um but that and then once we get through planning, we will then go to DOT. By the time we get through planning, we would want to identify that
we're what what are we doing? There's going to be two permits with DOT. One is for our driveway curb cuts. The other is going to be for all this utility work. We'd love to be able to go and sit down with them and review both of them. The driveway one we don't think is a big deal, but this one obviously has much bigger implications, but we'd like to
review both together with them, which means we have to sort of reach conclusion whether it's with everybody here at the table or if it's directly through you with their authorization. I don't know how you guys work, so I'll follow your lead. >> One thing that was mentioned to the
previous project engineer, >> um, there was discussion about going down the edge of the road, still within the DOT easement, but in the dirt in front of the houses on the baseball college side. >> Okay, >> they were pretty clear that that's
exactly where that force man was going to go. And I can tell you for a fact that there's a high-pressure gas mane in that corridor. So if that hasn't been addressed by the previous engineer, I just want to point it out that you may have a conflict of separation there. >> Okay. So let's see. So in front of the
ball field, you have a high pressure gas line. Is that >> same on that same side of the road running all the way up towards reservoir, there's a high pressure gas man that was installed. >> Based on my experience working with the gas company with a high pressure gas, don't expect them to relocate it.
Yeah, I'm with you. I feel that. >> I've tried. >> Yeah, I've not been. >> What if I hit it? Will they would they will move it at that point? >> You relocate yourself. >> When I ran into that problem, uh they told me you get it's an act of Congress in order to relocate the gas line. Okay.
Well, I'm not going there. >> Do you have any idea what we're talking about in terms of >> I can see if I can dig up. So, we've we ran across it unexpectedly replacing a couple water services. It was not marked by them even though we called for dig safe. They marked the old abandoned
line. Um so let me see if I can pull up some cards. If I if I have actual measurements to it, I'll send them over to >> if not if you have a name. I'll chase it out with a name. >> Your gas line that I ran into was a six or eight or six.
>> I believe that's a high pressure. >> That was a cross country lane. Again, not clearly marked. And that's why we didn't know about it. It's like wearing mind reader. Yeah, when they went in, they actually installed it with their trenching unit, you know, ditch witch, just oversized.
And they actually bent three curb stops in a row and actually bent them in a way that they actually shut the water services off when they went by. They backfilled and they were gone. I got calls >> in the afternoon to show up. So, I showed up to the first one. I see it's bent over, start digging it by hand, >> coming up with this beautiful, beautiful
pipe right up against the curb stop. >> But their job was done. >> They were done. They were done and gone for them. Yeah. Three in a row. So, let me see what I can dig up. I'll get pictures over to you if I have. >> So, you think that runs down only near the ball field? >> That starts at 123 and runs all the way
down that right hand side of the road at least to reservoir. Whether it goes to reservoir or it continues up. >> Where's it going from there? >> Where is it going from there? You don't know? >> I don't know. >> Well, I'm sure I didn't investigate. >> I can't imagine going reservoir. You didn't run into that at all. Did you when we did the sword reservoir?
>> We haven't done We haven't done that section. We did water but it wasn't in that area. >> What's that? >> We replaced that section of watermelon reservoir but we were on the opposite side of the road. >> Oh. So >> So my other thing about the gas, the high pressure gas when I ran into this
problem, I asked them what their separation distance was and they wanted some astronomical number which was not uh wasn't going to work for us. We had to negotiate and the only way I was able to do it was
I had to put a a sleeve in. My pack had even a sleeve in order for an oversized sleeve. So in the event we had to do maintenance, we would impact gate as one. >> Here they what they have given you for clearance. I
>> think they wanted 3 ft. We ended up with like 4 in. >> I was crossing perpendicular. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> The 3 ft wasn't going to work. >> I was putting in the gravity seal up. So I have some constraints
some limitations. >> Awesome. Good. >> Okay. I'm good. You want me to leave some plans? You want to pick a set of plans if is he quiet? >> I think it's too early for us to >> It is early. >> Yeah, I think it's too early. >> Okay. I mean money, don't you think?
>> I mean at some point >> you could start to cost it out from it, but if you I mean we we we probably >> Yeah. Electronic might be a little simple. I was going to say >> all right what whatever you want. Whatever you want. I I figured you start running sort of the you know your hydraulic model check or whatever you
want them to do and then we can get in the weeds on but we can >> bring that home. Your daughter's going to draw. >> Yeah. So the PDFs are definitely going to put She will. Sure. >> Okay. Thank you. >> Very good. >> Thank you.
Appreciate you. >> Good luck with your meetings next week. [Music] >> Superintendent update is next. >> Oh, everyone's favorite. >> Yay. I choose not to. You want to
>> What are you doing throwing stuff? Please throw the gamble at me. She's >> I'm out of water. We'll start off with uh street. Thanks. Thank you again. >> Byebye. >> Um airator mixer. Um start off. I was going to say it's moving along at a
constant pace. Uh tank cleaning was actually uh was better than expected. there was only a couple inches of sediment in the bottom mainly at the external lip where the footing was. Um so obviously you know plant is is doing its job and the the limited amount of
flushing we've been able to do is obviously helping. So um the uh news came down tonight around 5:00 that the uh airator and mix are actually operational. Uh tank is still offline. We haven't got D approval yet, but it's operational right now.
Water in it. >> Water in it. >> Full of water. >> Pass past bacteria testing. >> Uh so yeah, >> second sample tomorrow and then ahead of time, right? Didn't we envision that wasn't going to work until >> done until sometimes we really pressure.
>> All you got to do is whip her every now and then. She's she'll take it. >> No, they we we they knew that they were going to do this job and we were just waiting for that notice to proceed. So they already had a lot of their contracts ready to go and delivery and >> we're not pean season. So, it was good to drain the tank and >> it worked. Yeah, it was a challenge, but
it worked. Uh, while that was going on, we lost well four. >> Pump ended up clogging due to iron and manganesees, so we were able to uh have Frank Sullivan pull that while he was there. >> Is he still in town? >> He is still in town. His son's doing most of the work. Um, so he pulled it. I
don't think we'll see a mobilization fee, but don't quote me on that. >> I just loop today, too. That was >> We heard a number and that's what I'm going. >> Right. Right. So, um, because that project was coming in quicker than usual
and under budget, we were able to use some of the funds from the wellfor improvement project to improve well four. So, it was cleaned very quickly. Um, pump was actually cleaned, checked, and actually came back okay. the VFDs
now was so sensitive that it picked up on the iron magnes load starting to to gather on the pump and tripped it out. So, it didn't burn up any wires or anything. So, we got got pretty lucky. Knock on wood. We'll take a win. >> We are lucky. >> We'll take a win when we get it. We We thought for sure it was cooked. And >> that's great. >> We're going to have to throw throw a
pump at it. But, uh, I believe, uh, Cassandra has been down to the site meeting with Derek, um, working on new well 4, uh, coming up with some final determinations if we're going to go with a vault or additional piping and some valving and stuff down there. Uh, just to to move that along quickly and that
that goes out to bid. >> So, we winter. >> Well, our goal is definitely this winter. So, we're we've got um, you know, the water quality sampling and pumping test was complete. Now the next step is to get all the permitting into D with uh with those results and um we just need to modify the plans a little
bit. Um we are working with Derek to kind of just instead of doing a vault go through the existing building and kind of modify a little bit inside there. Um and yeah, just making sure the hydrants are in the right location for how you guys want to flush that cuz there's a few existing mains that I'd be more than
happy to propose to get rid of on those plans. But we can talk about that. >> Yeah. So years ago to meet the fall log requirement we had to put in basically the rat race of water mates >> and you know that's still in place with existing well four with the new mod
modified well four and the vision looking forward >> is four on the other side of that river >> same side as treatment facility compact. >> So there's definitely some options there to remove a couple few lengths of pipe and avoid all that issue with you know
low flow and settlement and all that. So, that's what we're working on now. All that fun stuff and jump over to VFD replacements. Um, the next tank that we're actually going to be looking at, which actually may happen on Friday, I've heard, uh, DN
tanks may actually have some time to go look at the 3 million gallon tank, Nashville, >> which will be our one of our next project improvements for possibly um, a mixer air raator and changing the level of the floor. So, this tank was
built back in '98 and 99. it was somehow incorrectly built that the base of the tank floor is below the suction levels of the pumps in the building. >> So when you get to a certain point, if the pumps are running, you're perfectly fine. If they shut off,
>> everything drains back and you can't get them running again until you fill the tank. Yeah. >> This was not our design. >> I was going to say I was just going to say who did that? You know, >> I >> I want to say that potentially that it
was paid for by the golf course to expand that area of the system at that time. >> It was part of the discussions that took place back then that it was necessary and then never had a main extend where it was agreed upon. So >> definitely some challenges. The tank shouldn't be in this position where it
is in town. It does really nothing for us. >> How would how would they have to do that? >> More than likely based on >> they need to lower it. No, they need to raise up. >> Yeah, that's we're going to send them out there and check it out. There's a couple things you could you could lower the actual pump station and then it
would be >> well, we could create it into a basement level versus a confined space, but that would be pretty expensive. So, we're just going to analyze the cost. So, what would the builders of the original tank, you know, as as a nap gun at the time and now DM tanks or DM? >> Is that a DN tank now? Would you say?
Yeah, the original Napon. So they're um you know the thought is to kind of just readjust the floor elevation. You've 7 8 ft or so of of nonusable storage in there. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> Use they do just fill with concrete.
>> Well, it would be concrete. It would probably be lowflow. >> Yeah, we could potentially crush stone for a set of building >> like a foundation. >> Yeah. And then you just need to double check with the weight of that
>> low weight versus water. >> We were already discussing reducing the capacity of that tank anyway. >> Yeah, we were. >> Um, this brings up, you know, maybe a solution that was anticipated but may work. >> You know, how old is that tank? Interesting. >> Uh, 99 went online, I believe.
>> No, I'm staying corrected. The tank was built in 99. It went online, I believe, in 2001 because we were out of warranty when the tank went online and it was a pump that was installed backwards. >> Jesus. Well, >> that was one of the first things that I end up replacing when I came in.
>> I don't want to know who designed it now. >> No, no, we won't we won't discuss that. >> So, um, VFDs obviously that station's is relatively old. We've had >> a tank. >> You sure can. So the mass field have
tank how we so DM's going to look at the tank for us and do what? >> We're working with them kind of under the we we put a little bit extra in our engineering budget knowing that we're going to try to work with these guys during the 2 million gallon storage tank
to kind of go over from move from Cottage Street and help us through and then we'll have um we'll work with them during the the full design if that's the route once we approve funding for that to move to the next stage. But we want to get a little bit of a baseline for planning level costs >> just to see what our options are there
and you know how impactful it may or may not be. Um >> and we need we don't need that tank but you alluded that it doesn't do us any good. So what does that mean? >> It it couldn't be in a worse location in
the town logistically. Um we do use that tank. We we move water back and forth between that tank and the C street tank um through Mansfield A through Freeman Street and we turn the water over. We use it for fire pump flows and for hydrant flushing. Um
being that it's on the outskirts of town, there's issues every time it gets turned on with changes of major flows on some of the bigger roads. Not so much. Thank good with the water treatment facility being online for almost six years now. Um,
we just need to improve the water quality there. Similar to the issues that we saw at Cottage Street in the center of town with THMs, we have to assume that the same issues could happen there. The longer you hold on to the water, the increase in THMs are are definitely a possibility. So, we want to address it, keep it in the mix because
it is viable, you know, to fire suppression and everything else that we do in town. If and when we come up with the solution to the well one and well 3 issue with whatever alternatives options we come up with you know having this with airrated
water we'll be able to put it into the mix and almost operate it as a well. So years years back, probably 10 12 years ago, um the Cottage Street ground storage tank we used to actually turn on every weekend and pump water to
distribute to the town and basically give the wells a rest. You know, since then we've had, you know, we've had growth, we've had the wells change. Um outputs are changed with low volume pumps now and everything going through the treatment facility. So we've lost that opportunity to use that as a source. Now that the air rate is going
back in, the water quality is going to improve. We're going to try and get that back in and I think the next step would be to go to 3 million and do the same thing you know maybe alternate uses use it as off peak you know just to keep the water moving in the distribution system whereas in the past you know it would
create havoc with the system anytime that pump came on um the three pumps that are there were all 1000 gallons a minute you know so definitely more than what the wells are putting out now except for a combined flow from the treatment facility so we're we're getting back to where we were before
that we may be able to use it as a source providing we can fill it fast enough. >> Right. How high is that tank above the suction >> fraction? I mean these are tanks are normally low. >> No, this this one's this one's probably 30 ft. Just taking a guess. Been a while
since I've been up there, but it's it takes quite the ladder to get up to the top. It >> it's massive. It's >> Yeah. When you think of three million gallons, you don't think of this tank. But when you see it, >> you walk around on a cold winter's day. >> No, actually quite a few.
>> It's quite the facility. >> This sits in back of the elevated tech. >> No, this one is is separate from everything off Mansfield. So, street across the street from McDonald's. Yes. >> Yeah.
>> So, all right. Well, >> and it could come into play in the future if we do end up looking at intermunicipal connections with Mansfield and we could do something. We'll >> talk about that in a minute >> on 140. No, we won't. I'm done with my
I'm done with my >> All right. So, uh, keep going. Uh, VFDs, we do need to replace at least one of the VFDs there. Um, we do have money that was appropriated, you know, quite a while ago when I first started. Um, so we're definitely going to address one of those. So, you will see a bill come
through for probably around $18,000 because that's the new cost of the cheap BFDs. >> Yeah. >> Um, we should have about 23,000 remaining in that account. So, it's not like we're asking for any money. It was already previously allocated. Um,
not as part of this, but speaking of VFDs um, and electronics, we had an issue at Cob Street over the weekend with the transfer switch for the generator. >> Oh. >> The transfer switch was not upgraded. >> No. Oh, >> no. Was not upgraded as part of the
concrete improvement project because it was only a year old at the time. >> Oh, wow. No. >> Okay. >> The control board melted a few diodes. It got stuck in emergency generator option only and it wouldn't recognize line power. So, we
spent the the better part of Friday night out there with electricians and National Grid testing and checking everything to to figure out that it's a little battery size piece that melted on the back of the board. So, we're in the process of working with the generator company um to get that board replaced
and or other components in the transfer switch. >> What kind of generator is that? Is that a cat? >> Uh the generator is not and the transfer switch is not, but it's actually a coler and it was compatible with the new generator at the time. So, it's fairly new and it's unfortunate and you know,
part for the cause for Norton, the both electricians that we had out there said they've never seen anything burn that bad before. So, >> we had a surge at Redmill Village a couple weeks ago. >> I don't know if that had something to do with it. >> It Well, it the generator exercised
um last week normally, you know, transferred back and forth. Uh Friday around 3 3:20 in the afternoon, we got the call for generator run, which was abnormal. Went down, checked on it, verified it was operational. You know, the indicator did not show line power
available, so we assumed that there was a leg down being three-phase. >> Um checked it a couple hours later, it was still running and that's when the process began. We called the grid in and checked. >> This happened a couple weeks ago, so >> yeah, we we had a similar issue. I think it was townwide um that had tripped a few of the
>> only arrested like a second. Yeah, not just enough. Yeah, dirty power and some of the the newer stations picked up on it and didn't switch. Some of the older ones, you know, went through the process and started and switched. So, >> yeah, knocked out a couple circuits in our but not all the circuit.
>> Yeah, very strange. The grids are getting overworked, I guess. >> So, that's fine. I'll go right into staffing. So, speaking of overwork, um just to make sure you are all aware, um we learned that uh Michelle Brown,
the assistant to the town manager, um has actually decided to retire >> after many, many years of service to the town and you know, being a integral part of the town and the community. Um you know, obviously we we wish her well.
>> Yeah. Um and uh it we've heard that the position is not going to be filled as the town is now going to pursue an assistant uh town manager position. Right. >> So that was that was pretty obvious during town meeting.
>> It started the discussion at town meeting and that's how it moved forward. Um we've also learned that the town manager is not going to fill the assistant superintendent position here as well. >> Really? Yes. Well, I think of the reason >> uh there's some staffing changes and
title changes. I think that will be coming in the near future that will address all of that and workloads will be divvied up amongst those who remain. >> Oh boy. So, >> what are you actually saying? >> I'm not saying anything other than when he's going to retire.
>> Oh, I don't have time to retire yet. So, we we'll learn as we go. I mean it's it's a process to set. >> So the better question is is how can you get everything done that John used to do with with you >> without taking time off. >> So I mean is there something else we can
do? Can you ask these guys to do it? >> I don't think it's cost effective. >> I understand it's not cost effective. I'm not care about the money. I'm care about workload. I've been able to float everything to date with what needs to be
done, coming very close to a few deadlines. Um, just very limited in who I can ask to do some of the work that John used to do. Um, and not take away from their current jobs. You know, I know Brooke has has offered m multiple times to pick up some
of the slack, and I think unfortunately we may have to pass a few things over to her, but her window of of free time is nil compared to, you know, how it was 5 to 10 years ago. So, it'll definitely be uh something we're going to work through and and see what we can do.
>> This is probably a stupid question, but do most towns have an assistant superintendent in their water department? Is that normal? >> I honestly don't know. I mean, I would guess it it would be normal. >> We don't have an assistant. We have I'm the chief operator, but I'm basically his assistant. That's just the way how
we have it structured. >> Yeah. The >> basically the same thing >> as John did. Yeah. >> Aren't as important as the the workload that each person takes under >> as the staff, you know, chain goes down. So, we're we're working through that process and >> continue to do the best I can with what
I got. And I know with my work, um, I don't have anyone in the department that can, uh, do the the paperwork that I do, at least, >> not even Sean. Sean's never done it before cuz he he was my home and then he went over to me and, >> right, there's only certain things that
certain people have access to going through the ED port hole. You know, we're dealing with the EA and the EPA. You know, again, there's there's limited levels of access that you can achieve based on years of experience, licenses, and all this stuff. So it's not as simple as just handing it to somebody
else, you know, and even if that was to take place, the the learning curve and the training process is actually going to create more delays than just trying to do it myself. >> Is that something that we could lean on lesson for?
>> We may knock on their door a few times with some projects or some reviews and stuff like that in the future. Actually, there's there's one that I just sent you an email about. >> I just don't want to see you get burnt out. I guess that's doing what I can and we'll keep going >> and keep keep our head above water. Um,
but it was actually the uh the discharge permit I believe for the wastewater wastewater for the water treatment facility. >> Yeah, we would normally help you with that anyway, but we can certainly just >> do it all. >> Yeah, they moved the deadline up on that of all things, which was kind of surprising. So, I think uh paperwork is
due in by like December 8th, which is really right around the corner. Um, >> so speaking on behalf of the uh commissioners. >> Sure. >> Not that I have the right to do that, but um I think we agree that if you need help, we give you permission to get
>> I appreciate that. >> Yeah, I absolutely absolutely agree with that. >> I mean, you're only, you know, the only 100 hours in the week. I mean, what what else can you do? So on so Brooke I I'm not so sure what
Brooke does or Janice does and really what anybody else I know that when I sign invoices Janice does all this stuff. >> Is there I mean we've I think we've made Well, we haven't done anything. We made our work a little less. Is there anything possible to reduce our workload
on this stuff? >> Is the town manager looking to simplify this horrible process? >> I would hope that he is. I know he reviews just about every large dollar amount item that goes through because I've been called and had questions asked
about it. Um, so the review process up there is a lot more stringent now than it has been in the past. Um, I believe it's part of the learning curve as he's coming in getting to familiarize himself with projects and spending. >> Um, you know, everything from the electrical bills that, you know, we
don't open up and gasp when we see a $12,000 a month bill. We know that's normal, but obviously putting that in front of somebody who's not expecting to see that, you know, it brings up a question. And then, you know, projects that we've had in the works for multiple multiple years or multiple months,
whatever whatever it may be, you know, he wasn't a part of that initial approval process. So, there's definitely a learning curve up there and I'm glad that he's that involved. Um, you know, maybe we can lean on him for some simplified. >> I don't even know how she does it, by
the way. That's a better part of two and a half days work. >> I know >> before each meeting really >> I think. >> Yeah. So then after you guys sign that the bill schedules and everything get get copied and everything goes up to town hall. They review it up there and then it goes through the process up there. So there's definitely
>> just a society but somehow we keep on generating it anyway. Yep. Yep. >> Yeah. It's it's definitely it's it's a process and uh you know I don't understand how to make a change
or else I would recommend one. >> I can't imagine that somebody hasn't worked this out already somewhere that'll eliminate that. I just I just mind my balding. >> It may be there and maybe you guys don't want to share it with us,
>> but uh yeah, it definitely will be. >> Maybe you pay your bills online like normal people. >> We're even get into the fact that we don't have a credit card. >> That was removed years ago. The town has
one though. But uh All right, let me go to wastewater equipment upgrades. Um, we've run into problems now with two separate submersible pumps. And these are newer style pump. It's it's called an N. Um, it's an improved pump with a
cutter on it. Um, years ago, I mean, I can still take pumps out of storage that I had in place that ran for 30 years with no issues at all. No cutter, no nothing, nothing fancy. These newer style pumps, we're getting about 700 hours out of them before the bearings are starting to drop. >> Jesus. you know,
>> is that a only option or is there any comparable uh product out there that would work better for us? >> It's based on the station, so you're limited by certain models that'll fit >> into an existing station without a huge retrofit. >> Um so instead of sending these pumps back and having them rebuilt, which you
know, again, $700 is nothing for a wastewater pump. Um we're reaching out to a couple other companies that uh our sewer tech had dealt with when he worked for another town to see if, you know, there's another option. you know, maybe there's a different bearing, one that's, you know, not as soft but still works.
You know, just to come up with some some ideas here. Um, other than that, one thing that's been brought up is testing the actual facilities themselves. So, I know we've discussed this in the past about um once we were done with the the larger sewer stations, we were going to
look at doing some checks and balances at some of the smaller stations, maybe some smaller generator upgrades, some electrical upgrades, things like that. So based on some of the meg and the amp loads that we've taken from these pumps, we're concerned with the control panels
and the wiring going to them. So years ago, if the pump would fail, you take the pump out, you send it off, get rebuilt, you put it back in. It may work, but if you're not getting the right amps going to it, if your wires are wrong size because now you've modified your pump but not your control panel, you know, there's other things
that could be going on leading to, you know, the demise here if they're not working in their their pump curve and their optimum range. So, um, maybe not right away, but in the near future, we're going to see if we can bring an electrician in, just have them go through a couple of these stations and,
you know, just verify that everything we have there is working correctly before we keep throwing money away at these pumps. You know, they about $15,000. >> Still in shock of up to 700 hours. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. >> It doesn't make any sense. And looking back at the records, you know,
>> each pump that's failed, >> they're not working as well as they used to >> has been an end model and it's they've come up about in 700 hours. >> Is the um >> the temp generator gone at uh >> Yes. >> Yeah, it has been gone. We're still running on the dinosaur that we were
able to fix with a combination of in-house repairs and south generator doing some work there. So, knock on wood that one. >> That's good. The great woods is closed too. So I mean that's Yeah. [Music]
What else we got? What else we got here? I already said street done. >> Nice. Nicely done. >> I try. >> All right. W time.
>> Well, I guess that leads right into uh the pump station projects. That's right. I call in and woke him up. Yeah, exactly. Um, so I guess the the biggest thing at Elm Street is the torch has been passed to you. Um, so you'll be taking over. No sewer, obviously.
>> No presentations. >> No presentations. Ter limit those presentations. Um, but um, but yeah, it's just figuring out what the plan is going forward. So, we'll keep you guys in the loop as to >> We're not putting uh extending a water
mane on that smaller road near me. Um, militarist military. >> So that's actually something that I was going to bring up. What else? Are we still >> are we still considering that? Because that actually did come up at one of the public meetings that we did. Um was why
why are we including water on the terrace? I mean when John was here uh his recollection was that it was all SP >> um down that road. So >> it's 600 ft down to the end of that road. So, um I don't see why it couldn't
get included in the project. Um >> yeah, it wasn't part of the original scope when it was drafted by the previous town planner. It didn't it didn't get added in. Um there was no >> concern at the time. >> Um during that process, National Grid
ended up drilling through it twice, >> so we knew exactly where it shouldn't be, which is underneath the telephone poles, and we knew exactly what size it was. So, >> um yes, unsized spaghetti line. Um, no hydrant down there. So definitely something we should address if possible as part of the project if not in the
least. I remember the discussions were that we're going to leave a stub for it. >> Yes. >> Get it to the edge of the road and we could possibly do the work inhouse oursel if necessary. >> How many homes have military? >> There is probably four right now that are there, but there is land on the
opposite side of the road um undeveloped. >> Well, it just makes sense to do it. >> Oh, absolutely. It doesn't make sense to not to do it. >> Absolutely. >> Agreed. >> All right. >> I should write notes.
>> That's a lot of paperwork for this that little presentation. >> This is Steve Peterson before before I left here. He >> Thank you. >> Um appreciate it. >> What else you got? So, Cod Street phase three. Uh we have the execurity contract
in place. Uh next step is to set up a site visit um so that we can update the capital improvements plan for it. Um I can reach out to Bruno and set of a site visit with him and just see you know what's been done already, what needs to be done. Um and really the
contract focuses on replacing the pumps, the valving with it. Um and then electrical upgrades with uh upgrading the pumps as well. Um they assume the automatic transfer switch is going to be more >> pressing. >> Hopefully it's fixed by then. >> Yeah, hopefully it's fixed by then. It's
more pressing than what the time frame is for this. Um so target time we're looking at is a bid and award in spring summer of 2026. Um the lead times will be a big thing uh for the pumps. Um, I don't think there's any anticipated
hiccups with any of the lead times for the pumps, but um, that's, you know, what we're looking at is a spring summer. >> Don't tell me we're going to get another muffin monster. >> I just had nothing to do with I just like saying the word. >> They don't make those anymore.
>> Oh, we use one. We use them all the time. >> No, they still great invention. >> Oh, yeah. >> So, we're upgrading the pumps to the So, when you I mean, they're submersible pumps, right? No >> section. >> Okay.
>> Or flooded section. Flooded section. >> So, um when we do our actual site visit and run through all the the uh you know, needs at the pump station, we can talk to Bruno and just see, you know, what what how far do you want to go with upgrading the pumps? You know, you going
to replace them in kind? Um do they actually, you know, meet the pump curve that they're at right now? Are there any issues with the pumps, you know, meeting that pump curve? And can we do anything to improve efficiency and performance of those pumps at the pump station? So, >> are you envisioning anything being built
in that area that's going to impact up street? >> No, that station is overdesigned for for what it is right now. Um, so there there is no need for anything bigger or improved down there. >> That's right. Other than the fact that we probably have some high efficiency
pumps that may be installed compared to the dinosaurs that are in place right now. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. One option when we were doing sewer on Elm Street was to pump it all the way up to to Cob Street as well and just sew Elm Street all the way up to Cob Street and discharge there. So it's
>> it's capable. It's a great station. >> Yeah, it's capable. So >> Okay. >> Um next on the list, the Great Generator. Um, so Steve had provided kind of just a cost breakdown for what you were including in the town meeting article, town meeting authorized um,
capital budget for it. So the next step is to execute a contract for it. I do have a contract for consideration based on the numbers that Steve just provided for you. Um, so look at it. Um,
it's basically for the 95,000 that we discussed. uh 20 for the pump station evaluation because really that's going to include you know development of a the capital improvements plan for that pump station. Um the biggest thing is the generator providing a new 175 kW
generator. Um >> that's part of the the the money it just >> correct that's part of the it's the design bidding and construction of the the generator uh replacement and then that also includes any potential other
upgrades um that we want to include when we do the pump station evaluation there um because we haven't done any pump station evaluations at great work um that I know of that's been called is the specific language that was requested by the account manager in this
new contract cuz I would tell you he's not going to look at it if it's not. >> I'm not sure. I don't >> Steve did mention that to me and it is not. >> So I guess that's just a a visual see. >> Yeah, we may need to discuss with our
lawyers on on that wording. So >> So you're saying that um Mark wants different terms and conditions? He's presented us with a specific paragraph that he wants to see in all contracts moving forward. >> So, we can't vote on this. >> No, if it's not.
>> But tell me what the U just the >> They're going to run out of ideas. >> I honestly don't even remember what the exact language was termination because >> um this specific wording that's in there. Most of their western sen contracts that were approved by K law multiple times have very similar
language in it, but he has very specific language that he that he's requested to be in all contracts moving forward. >> He will get involved with these contracts. >> So, we'll have to look at that, I guess. I said it was for consideration.
>> So, um you seen this? I have not. >> Why don't you reveal it and offer us comment? >> I can do that. >> Okay. >> You have a copy, right? >> I will once you answer it. There we go. >> Yeah. So, that contract includes, like I
said, just, you know, the pump station evaluation, uh, the design, construction services. Um, it pretty similar to the COP tree phase 3 contract that's already been executed. um just for develop more specific for developing a capital
improvements plan for uh or for the Great Gener uh Greatwoods pump station. Um and one thing that Steve had mentioned uh that you probably might want to consider is the generator lead time for Greywoods. Uh lead times have
been issues in the past. Um I've seen upwards of you know a whole year >> uh for that. So we could consider combining that specific generator piece as part of the Cobb Street phase three projects. Similar to what we did for
Nwood and Hollywood Road, we had two different pump stations. Granted, that was two generator improvements. >> We can just, you know, it's essentially just including another sheet and some more specifications in the design that we put together for CO tree phase three. So just a consideration if we wanted to
to go that route. Um but again the lead times are the the bigger issue there. >> No, I mean makes sense. That was one of the discussions that we had with uh with another board um who was concerned about the cost of the temporary generator being in place while this work was going
on. >> Yep. Um, they wanted to make sure that everything was done to try to avoid the need for a temporary generator, which would obviously mean ordering the the new generator, having it on site, stored while modifications to the building are
going and taking place, and then the swap would be a relatively quick. >> Yep. >> And you'd have the cost savings, but >> Yeah. And potential. >> That's perfect world scenario, and we we know how >> things work. So, >> Exactly. Exactly. So I mean if you want
to review that let us know if there's any any other comments on or anything with it's modeled after the cut at the cop street phase three uh agreed which was already um executed. So just specific to which um
so yeah I mean the only other thing I had was uh the West Main Street uh sewer extension phase 2. Um, so what we're going to do is under the existing general services agreement, we're just going to utilize uh that contract in
order to prepare the the study document uh for West Street uh for West Main Street phase 2. Um and that the study that that study is going to include um a CWMP update and a summer me summary memorandum of uh what it's going to take
in order to put sew over there and uh you know some of the key stakeholders for that with the northern public schools the middle school as you all know their treatment facilities offline they've been granted um a the ability to just have a title five discharge for
that at the at the middle tool. Um I think they had 3 years to find an alternative method for their discharge. Um so they're going to be a key stakeholder. Valentine tool had interest. Uh go city pub and then you know proposed developments. So um yeah
it'll look at the existing infrastructure and essentially how are we going to get that that sewer flow up West Main Street um to the uh the housing authority pump station. So, one thing to mention on that, and I know Steve and I had much base on it, very briefly, was the opportunity to use the
existing corridor where the old water man has the sewer sleeve in it. Yep. >> I didn't know if he'd address that as an option just as it'll get you, >> you know, five or six feet in the ground without any obstructions. Yes. >> Until you get to that pipe. Obviously, you may need to go deeper. >> Yeah. >> Um but, uh, you know, knowing what we
ran into in the other stretch. >> Yes. >> You know, we'll take 6 ft of nothing. >> Yes. We'll take what's already there and that's exactly the slip line water main street is what we mentioned. So it's something we'll look at as an option when we when we start taking a you know
a serious look at what the options are. >> I think there's not enough for any idea how long >> that would take just there's quite a few people that have questioned >> on what the next move is for that. So I'd like to be able to pass something along. >> Yeah. I mean, ideally, you know, we
could get to it maybe at the beginning of the year. I mean, you'll have something at the beginning of next year um to present so I can get back to you on that. Get you a better idea. >> That's I'd rather have the ballpark than nothing. >> Mhm.
>> Ready for water. >> That's exciting. Okay. Um good news is we kind of covered a lot of this already. So well four and there's no nothing more on the updates on that. Um as far as cottage street the only thing that was different that I' I'd like to add I guess would be just a pass from DM tanks
>> pass them number two. Um, I'll pass this over to Jim. >> Ready? >> And it's basically, you know, they're they're almost fully done with everything, but this is kind of through the end of last year. >> Does he sign this?
>> And that would be the add-on is to >> Okay. Um, I will go ahead then and um make a motion to approve pay estimate number two for the Cottage Street ground storage tank project to DN Tanks LLC in the amount of $169,717.50
and approve uh Superintendent Frank to sign for it. I second. All >> in favor? >> I I [Music] 50 cents. Where's the 50 cents come from? >> It's that percentage, you know, lump sum. We're just trying to
>> split those pennies. >> And if we're on the on a roll with approving pay estimates. Um, so the next topic, I'm going to speak a little bit more on this one, but Southwester Street. So, um, this pay estimate is predom it's just uh police details from the past water main installation. >> Okay.
>> Um, I let that one too. And that's for CC construction. >> This is for Frankenstein as well. >> And for Frankenstein. >> Okay. Uh then I would like to make a motion to approve payment number eight for the South Coaster Street East Hodgees Street area water man improvement projects to CC construction in the amount of
$30,186 and allow Superintendent Frank to sign for it. >> I second. >> All in favor? >> I that's based on the couple fittings we put in for pennies >> for 60. >> Yeah. >> Penny a pound. >> Yep. Um, so as an update on Southwester
Street, which I wasn't able to get to him before this meeting, so this will be a little bit new for him, but we've been trying to get them out there to do the permanent trans pavement, which we talked about at the last meeting. Uh, the rain has not really been helping, but tomorrow they should know from their favor what the official date is. They're aiming for next week. Still hoping to
get get out there Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, wrap it all up for the winter. It may get pushed depending if we continue to have a little bit of cold weather or rain um into Monday, Tuesday. uh really don't want to be working on Wednesday before Thanksgiving. So, the goal is to have them end by Tuesday, uh the week of Thanksgiving at the very
least. So, I'll keep you guys all posted. I'll send an email update if >> everything you guys you guys are happy. >> Yeah, there's there's one little uh spot in front of a driveway that's got a little I drove by before I came to the meeting. So, um if they don't if they're not planning to come out on Wednesday, it hasn't I don't think it's changed too
much from the photo that Frank sent me a couple weeks ago, but we were hoping to have them come out. Um it might need to be dug up. Uh, but they're not going to come out until the week of Thanksg. >> It's a little spot. It's kind of at the seam where we ended the trench one day and started a new one and it's right at the edge of of the trench. So, it's kind
of a little pocket where >> don't make any noise. >> Yeah. So, well, anyway, long and short of that, um, if they're not going to get out there ASAP, then we'll have them put some cold patch in and then, uh, wrap it up the weekend. But it's right now, um,
drove the trench as well. I know I've got a newer SUV, so my shocks are probably a lot better than the school bus that goes down there, but um for the most part, it's in pretty darn decent shape. There's a couple areas that are a little rumble strippy. So, um it'll be great to get out there. We we would normally kind of try to hold that a
little bit longer, but obviously, um you know, we want to get it done and and we're going to do curb to curb next year. So, um get this in a much better shape for the winter and plowing season. >> Awesome. Um they did fix I think the day of the last meeting we had a um or the
day before that I believe we had a uh customer that we had the water shut off. There was a small leak in their water service and it was not part of this project. It actually have a video and I we'll see if it gets through your firewall. But >> is it on the homeowner side? >> Yeah, it's on the homeowner side about like 6 ft or so in from from where we
put the we do basically every every water man job we go in brand new water man and from the main all the way to the property line or curb stop. We replaced that whole stretch. >> It happened about 6 ft in and it was a pretty good gushing hole. So, >> um, that they repaired that that stretch. They came out kind of within a
couple hours actually. Was pretty good. >> Did they charge the homeowner or was that part of the project? >> We're going to put put it under the project. So, >> I agree. >> Yeah, it was you don't know until you dig it up and find it. And if it wound up not being them, we would have obviously had them repair it at their
own cost if it was them. So, um, good that we called them instead of having the water department do it in a sense for that. if it was their fault. Um, in this case, save the proof of going out there. >> That's good. >> Yeah, that's good. >> And then there are a couple uh we're going to investigate the fence post. Uh, so that that'll be when they get back
out there, that's going to be something that they look at. Um, but yeah, the big thing Oh, and the dumpster and they've got a couple storage units. They said probably by the end of this week, they'll they'll hopefully get that removed. But, uh, I think that what was it on the Yeah, the big thing is the paving. I know everybody's really
focused on making sure that that gets nice and wrapped up. Um, and I don't I I would assume if weather is adequate enough that we could, you know, for some reason something delays, Jared will probably be okay with doing the week after Thanksgiving. But, um, we we'll
we'll cross that bridge to bridge tomorrow if we have to go there. But, I'm really hoping that, um, that we can see some drier weather even though it's great for the water industry for recharge. Um, Elm Street. So, as uh Ryan discussed, we're basically going to take that over. Uh we just need to pull the
sewer out, make sure you guys are comfortable with what you have for the water. You've got plenty in the appropriation to cover the water work now. Um so, if we do want to do a little bit more work to kind of button things up down, you know, terrace, that's not a big deal. Um >> and our goal is to get that out over the winter and have a spring construction on
that. So, um and we've worked with Mass Works as well, so I'm not concerned about transitioning that over. We've worked with John Way and had a good relationship on other projects. So, um, so I'll get a amendment to that contract, um, probably for the next meeting. At this point, I think I've got a pretty good idea of exactly what you
guys want. Um, if anything comes up, let me know. But I think we're we're pretty much um, you know, connected to the stub that's been left out um, from the um, Mass DOT job and bring it all the way to Reservoir Street where we ended in 2017ish. >> Beautiful. That'll be a great tie in.
>> Yep. >> And then let's see. So, next projects. Um, really I guess we're we're now down to the fund POS project. So, you guys had approval at the town meeting to add on some additional funding. Um, we added in a little bit of a a new source search
through the entire town to that project, too. So, it's about was it 445,000 I believe was appropriated. That kind of can get you jump started sooner than later as we work through that uh that grant um with mass D. So, you have the small systems emerging contaminants grant 1.5 million. We do need to kind of
solidify the scope for that. We've been talking on what we wanted to do and I think we're all still on the same page unless there's something different with town manager, but the intent for that funding was to kick off uh basically pilot testing getting manganesees treatment over at Wall One and getting
something in there to basically start treating immediately and kind of get some some baseline knowledge on that, see what it's going to take to, you know, a full full range of construction. Don't they have little uh temp trailers now that can temp trail the filtration
trailers? I I saw one at Wister. That's why I'm I don't know anything about it really and look into it. Uh I wasn't really >> Yeah. So the big thing with with any with any temporary setup is where you going to go with the waste discharge, right? So that's that's pretty much what we'll have to do is just be pumping it out as we need to, but at the at the
very least want to run that for, you know, 3 6 months, get that out there and um potentially longer. We'll see how it all runs out. Um and then there's the option to kind of go with peak uh treatment over at well 3 as well. It's kind of a temporary pilot testing
over there. And then um with the 400,000 or so that's that's was recently appropriate if you wanted to move forward with u design of interconnections um or upgrades I should say. So I did provide the draft it's draft draft I will call this because we actually have to provide you with a full
um report for what our analysis is going to be for the alternatives analysis but this is a technical memo that just kind of outlines all those different alternatives that we had. I think the first second page I would say the table here kind of outlines the nine different options that you have for as far as
water quality treatment. >> Yeah. And I apologize for not bringing copies because it's in draft draft form. I'm not really I'm very hesitant to give hard copies out to anybody on that. >> So this is just >> I could have easily I was just curious. I just one this is the draft draft.
>> This is the draft draft. Yeah. So um but the intent is really to more thoroughly go through this. I just know that after our last meeting and some other discussions with Frank, you guys are getting questions and the questions are coming in select board town manager other folks. and just want to kind of outline to you here's what this whole
project is supposed to look at and then the goal is to come down to a an obviously an equitable solution so it doesn't cost the water customers money uh to an extraordinate an extraordinary amount and then the the second to last page kind of covers the well improvements which I think for
maintaining your own sources is something that that we've heard from multiple folks in on your side and as well as the water department that let's get well well one, figure a solution out there. Do we want to do a well field? So, this kind of gets through um the
hydrogeeological evaluation, which is replace well one, replace well two, which we're find is not a viable option. You just don't have it's it's not it's not going to work or you don't have the land in the location where you need it. Um well option three is kind of the new
well field which we think is the most viable option having um maybe five wells running at the same time trying to get something around 5 600 gallons a minute that might make it a little bit more advantageous >> one and two area >> that'd be outstanding >> yeah so that's
>> submersible something like that a submersible situation or whatever >> the we've kind of put a range in here the range is more on the pitless adapter side of things but if you do want to go higher up uh and using the existing building would be a cheaper option too for for chemical feed there versus having to do a a full plant. And that's
kind of why we really want to do the the pilot study too is to determine, you know, what if this blending is a little bit better on magnes levels and and then you might not even need the full treatment process like as as what you have over at filtration basically. Um so the goal here is to try to you know take
a look at first steps and and it's it's a long process and and it is um you know there's a lot of um data that needs to be crunched to figure out which is the best you know option for you. But our goal would be to try to reuse existing building, make sure we don't have um you know any issues with chemical capacity.
Might need to build blow out a wall or something like that, but building a brand new building and all that would be a little bit more expensive. Plus it's you know >> location wise where you're going to put that too. there's a lot of u wetlands and and other things and obviously where your wells are tends to be where you have a sometimes endangered species and
other other you know environmental concerns. them. Um, option four is townwide new source evaluation, which I think we can kind of summarize. I think budget about 45,000 for that. Um, desktop study, everything, all land. It's not been done probably in about 20
plus years or so. and you know just looking at not just properties that you own but potentially properties that you could potent buy and wherever we can find a 400t radius which is not it kind of eliminates some areas right away off the top but um that eliminates the potential at least okay well what if we
want to build a new source and potentially take a look at that water quality unknown but if we find a parcel we can take the next step like we've done over at wells um four five and six test wall drilling figure out which way we want to go if that if that gets to that It would be great if we saw something,
but um waterfall is a big thing these days. So, and then option five was the deer's wells, which um there's a reason why they have not been developed. So, we don't really think that that's too viable of an option, which the cost right here, you're going to have some major treatment right over there and it does have cost. So,
>> it's not an option now anyways from what I what I heard from them anyways. >> Well, they need they need that capacity for their permitting. Right. So D had mentioned it during a meeting and also during our acco meeting. So we we felt that we need to put this on on the table
and and kind of show that this is not an option. And then we've since talked to them and they like oh yeah it's not a good option. So um so digest this. My goal would be to kind of present this a little bit more thoroughly with you and kind of talk through everything. If you
have questions about it, feel free to ask. Um you know Frank and I have been talking throughout this whole project. Um, you know, our goal is to pro to use that grant money to go towards uh piloting and then use the the remaining to kind of go towards upgrading your or at least doing the engineering behind
potentially an interconnection upgrade or so, but focusing on the piloting first. >> So, briefly just tell me about somewhere in the report you say our plan is designed for 3 million gallons a day. Is that what you said? You had a question
in your email about half a million gallons, >> right? I'm going to get to that. So, the plan is the plant is >> I was going to start small, but Okay. >> So, the plan is what's our >> your your average day demand is roughly 1.2 1.3 and then >> the plan is designed for three.
>> You have a peak capacity typic of >> over 2.2 >> over 2. Yeah. So that so there there's you know a little dog there but >> all right we're looking for the additional 500,000 gallons which again I answer you answer the question somewhere in the report but why the 500,000
gallons just a guess >> it is that correct? >> No no there's no guess so there's actual there's there's a reasoning for this. So if you add up the capacities currently of well one and three which have the major treatment needs or potentially treatment needs and and upgrades, if you take that away and you decide to
purchase water instead, you would need roughly about just under $500,000. >> So it's a function of well one and three >> that we are trying to replicate somewhere, >> right? Or >> that wasn't explained in the report. So that's what my question was. No. And it's not because this is just telling
you what the alternative >> I was just trying to I mean I saw the 500,000 gallons a lot but it >> draft draft. >> No no no I'm not making fun of you now. I was just trying to understand the logic of the whole thing because >> if you don't need the 500,000 gallons
and the whole report is not needed. >> So I was trying to figure out why the 500,000 is so what why that number is so significant. >> Right. >> All right. And then the last page for my thing is you the recommendations you threw them on. I I know it's draft
draft. So I guess I guess you guys need to read read the report first before we have this discussion. >> I mean it seems like >> this is what we have. >> No, it seems like there's a I mean after reading the report against draft drafts or whatever, but based on what you gave
me for information, it seems obvious of we're not going to tie to cotton. We talked about this before because of the surface water was supply kind of mixing apples and oranges. >> Yeah, you didn't say that, but I'm just saying >> corn other things. Yeah, >> seem like it doesn't seem to match. It seems like Mansfield seems to be an
option >> more viable now than >> I'm just reading the report. I'm not saying what you're saying. >> They may be the preferred option. >> Preferred option if we want to go out of town, but our recommendation is maybe to stay in town. Well, it's always so for
for your own what we've been talking to the operators about and and in general other it's cheaper to always make your own water than to purchase water, right? So, and you have viable sources and and everybody has that in their in their general operating budgets. You need to upgrade those sources and you need to
react to the changing times. Every other community that you're going to buy from is also going to have to follow the different rules as well. So, um, and Mansfield has already gotten ahead of the game and and installed a a P5 treatment plant for their wells. And, you know, you guys luckily at this point are are doing in pretty good are pretty
good shape except all three. But I would say that, you know, when you're looking at it either way, an interconnection upgrade is something that I would highly recommend anyway, just because you want to have multiple different redundancies throughout your system. >> Yeah, I was going to say I I love having them, >> but I like getting our own wire for our
own I I look at that more as an emergency thing. >> Exactly. Well, in the last 10 years, you've actually provided water to Mansfield and not needed. So, >> now it also says in the report that Mansfield puts fluoride in the water. Would that affect us if we started getting that? Is that going to >> this get a lot of people mad when they don't?
>> Well, I mean >> I mean I'm just thinking from the other >> majority of systems. >> Yeah. >> Consider getting water. >> Chlor means that ton uses uh will probably help us at least with ox. You
can, but you're at the other end of the system. You still have to teach information. So, >> if you're considering cost though, the chart you have on page three, very telling on long-term cost. All the ones that go up are getting water from someone else. >> All the low ones long term are on water. So,
>> so I guess when the uh report is draft, maybe we should have this discussed. Well, and and this is where we can present in more detail what's actually included here and kind of get into the minutia of what we did not want to necessarily >> put in a written writing yet because the goal here is to kind of figure out, you
know, some of these items are are other influencers indicating that maybe you should be looking at a few more alternatives. And that's why the list is nine. You know, there's not normally a nine alternatives list on on different things. You have options now. Are they really viable? And I think I think we've kind of come down to about five or six.
But um and then I think you know we just need a little bit more information to take the next step to really figure out what is it going to cost you in the long run to do this. And that's that and what is the what is the impact of water quality on your system. So we need to have a little bit more information from the different systems that you may want to connect to and then also have um you
know a better cost analysis to kind of give you that that that fuel that you need to kind of make some some you know informed decisions. Yeah, >> I still like tying doing something at well three to interconnect it connect it
to the treatment plant that's option three here and it even looks like it's better to do that than to put a patch treatment plant in. >> There's so there's a lot of benefits of not well land is one thing that you need to find >> and then building a treatment plant and
having operators to run it. So you're going to need to have another set of operators. And anytime you start to build treatment plants, that's >> it's a little bit insignificant in the long run when you're talking about building a treatment plant. So if you're going to treat, you need to first take out iron and maganesees and then you can go with PA. So you're going to basically
need to build a filtration plant plus. So um >> and the idea for three though is there's no treatment plan cuz it's going to dilute. >> You would you blend it you'll be back in. >> That's what I got out of your >> That's what I got out of your draft draft report. And you and you pump it if you need it. Right. So you don't
necessarily use a high heat source if you don't >> right. If you don't need that you got well you what's your what's your opinion on this? >> My concern is putting all the eggs in one basket pumping three along with four five and
six to one facility >> then the treatment goes down. If >> there's an issue with that facility now now you're you're done. I mean, the way it is now, if we lose the facility and we have one and three, we can make up for a little while with storage and get by. >> Can you route three to the treatment
plant, but still leave a tap to put it directly into the system if you had to in the event the treatment plant would go down, >> or would they make you get rid of that option? >> So, you're really not going to get enough water either way if the stream blank goes down offline, you don't you only have less than half. >> You still need the intermunicipal
connections, >> okay? to support whatever you lost. You know, we don't have >> that was the gist of what I >> multiple sources that can be self-sufficing it in into the plan and lost. I mean, that was in here. So,
>> we've developed some of them a little bit more than others obviously. >> No, I mean based on our discussion, I mean, you know, the the Taton defile plant is broken that that was not I mean, the cost here was not some outrageous number. Yeah. Um, and you
have to deal with DOT and defend a highway or whatever else. That's not going to work. Um, so what's the next step? >> So, we're going to we we do want to kind of get the paperwork in for the the grant to kind of get that moving and then we'll work with Frank to see
>> I mean we have budget to kind of finish this, but the next steps would be to go forward with the with the piloting and getting that >> that contract signed. So, we we just need to provide you guys with an updated contract for that. So my my experience is exactly you put you portrayed this in the draft rack report about what to do
with the backwash seems and that's a problem you probably have the same problem Steve where you are backash >> it's it's just a universal problem I mean I guess in one of them you're going to use bags for pest no
>> well you have filter bags that that that you have to remove some sediment and stuff before it goes into the cabin. Is that something? Okay. So, I know what to do with the cabin. So, >> um but hauling it off, I didn't think I
like that option at all, but it that's the only option. >> I mean, there there's I think we we talked a little bit about trying to, you know, get it over to Dana then, but that needs a little bit of discussion. >> They wouldn't take anything from us. >> Yeah. >> I mean, it's just a problem. It's always a problem.
>> It's It was more the amount to be backends on the filter. >> You want them to start running, see how much you're generating and then kind of go through >> which can't just dump in because all the stuff they couldn't support that >> technically backash do into a wetland
that's not going to work but wind river it should be already collected on the actual media. So there shouldn't be any pas in the backwash. So >> yeah, >> but getting D to you know and or the MFN to realize that that would take some testing. I mean again I you know I I I
read it and I said yeah you know totally been the problem based on everything when I rand water treatment plant the backwash basins were adjacent to the water supply. >> Mhm. >> Talk about a real issue. We had to make
sure that they didn't overflow into our intake. >> Poor planning on their part. But anyways I'm just saying it was always a problem. Yeah, you don't have sewer, you don't have, you know, so your residuals go somewhere. Um, so I I just want to make
sure you guys had an opportunity to start reading this because um it, you know, we we had originally indicated that we'd try to get it done by the end of the year, but there seemed to be a little bit more pressure and I just wanted to kind of have this out there so you could review it and and provide some feedback and we definitely want to
continue to explore the viable options and kind of move to those next levels. So, um, you know, I don't I mean, I think if you're comfortable, what we can do is put in here not not considered a viable option on a couple of these and just kind of move on and then really explore the the
ones that we feel that you know have merit. >> I would delegate that to Frank and you to come up with a that make those decisions. You guys have a lot more information about this stuff than we do. Uh doesn't matter what my gut reaction is is you guys are
going back. But do we do anything with do we ask input from the town we get on this the selectman or is this all us? >> This is all us right now. Uh once we narrow it down then we'll get involved with >> are we under pressure from the selectman to actually make a decision or are they
not basically cure they care? >> They are very curious about what options are on the table and what will be dismissed and why. have have you been pressured by anybody to do? >> I've been talked to a couple by a couple of them. Yeah.
>> Okay. I mean, what do you tell them? >> Um, well, there was more the dell that was a couple months ago. They were >> No, this was actually just a few weeks ago. >> Oh, okay. I saw someone uh uh
>> as in that's something they liked and they want to >> that's something they really want to pursue and I don't think they realize that the the the obnoxious cost of this. >> Yeah, it's way more than all the other. >> It's not uh it's not feasible. >> So is it some I mean are we under
pressure to give them an answer? >> I don't think they're under pressure. I don't I I just don't think they want it off the table. I think they need some explanation for themselves and I think that's fair. So, >> so is this something that we should be meeting with them someday on >> and I promoted that
>> I promoted that that they they're very open to that and they want that. >> So, we have a PowerPoint drafted. Um we talked originally when we were on a call with Frank a couple weeks ago about potentially setting up um a meeting with you guys and the town manager to bring
them in if if you want to attend too. But I wanted to present this to you so you can just kind of see it a little bit more, get a little bit more information. be a good idea to uh invite them as well to that. >> And if you're ready for that, if this if this draft draft is enough for you to kind of go on um to at least have have
your basis, you know, >> you guys are our clients first. I mean, that's where we go through. So, >> um if the commission is is we're willing to have whatever you want. >> Does that have to be in one or meetings or can we just make any special meeting for that if we want to? So, we talked a little bit about the executive session question on whether or not um there is
some there is some cost implications of what you're going to negotiate with other communities potentially with purchasing of water. So, >> um there's some assumptions that >> we would recommend that you would have in an intermissive agreement um and other things. So,
>> as the as the new town manager, we thought that that would be something, you know, we we've always run that by Mike before in the past. Um, so we run by that's and then so the select board are having them maybe they send a representative. I I don't know because if they don't or a couple of the folks instead of so they don't have a quorum I
don't know but >> it definitely sounds executive sessiony. >> It does I've I forwarded that email to the town manager to uh to get his thoughts on that and how he wishes to proceed and who should be involved in that meeting. >> So is the town manager aware of any of
any of this stuff? Oh, yes. >> Okay. >> Doesn't have the draft draft, but it's definitely >> No, no. I I don't know where he sits. I mean, you know, I don't know what he knows. I don't know what anybody knows. >> He has very limited knowledge of stuff that's taken place prior to his arrival.
Um, we've slowly been bringing him up to speed on some of the key issues. The acco is definitely one of them. Um, you know, and he is the one that facilitated the meetings with Mansfield and Taton. um almost immediately after finding out about the ACL and doing his own homework on it. So
>> good. >> He's uh he's definitely on our side understanding the >> I want to make sure he stays on our side and I want to make sure that he we can give him what he needs from us. >> Definitely. >> I mean we have the information like I I I know you don't want to issue that to
anybody because it isn't it's just a draft draft. Um but so what when are we aiming to do something soon for meeting wise? >> We need to get the draft draft cleaned up a little bit. I'll wait to
hear back from Mr. >> Yeah, there's a few highlighted obviously that you know that we want to make sure it's clear we did not get that information in time. But um yeah, so I think there's a little bit we can fill in here. There's a couple couple key things that I think we should have. Obviously the two spelling errors would be coughing.
So my comment about Bert Street and Leonard, I don't know about Lennard, but that must have been recently paved >> as part of the as part of the >> I moved into broaden about that time. So I don't really know about when that, but Bird Street was just paid.
>> It was just >> past summer. So just keep that in mind. Maybe >> Yeah. No, and there's a couple Well, there's some water made improvements that we had on a couple different in the overall 20-year plan. >> I just thought you should be aware of it in case you weren't aware. It's like finding above the high pressure line.
Better you should know than not know. >> We we designed a water street and then the next thing we know somebody drove by and said, "Hey, it got paid." Go. Okay. Do that. Well, we'll just hold off five seven years for that. >> Well, it happens. Trust me. Y >> um so that's what my comments are all about.
>> I appreciate that. Yeah. >> I figured that London Street must have been paid because it used to be a driving range. >> Yep. >> Mhm. >> Yep. I moved in when just when the driving range. >> Just the day they closed the driving range is when I moved into >> Oh, yeah.
>> They saw your clubs and they're like, "You're close." >> So disappointed. So, >> all right. Um, we have a baitment. >> Yeah. Brooks Tennessee available at Seven Patton Road.
>> That you guys read through that. >> Yeah. I make a motion. >> Okay. Um, I would like to make a motion to approve an abatement for 7 Patton Road in the amount of $15927. >> A second. All >> in favor? >> I. >> We have one left over from uh the last
meeting. A Flint. >> Do you know anything about it? >> I do not. >> Okay. So, what we did put in the minutes anyways, uh, they were going to have been leasy tested was tested. You don't know the results of that right now. Okay. So maybe we should just table that to that cuz I don't have enough
information other than a friend. >> Oh that was Oh yeah. Okay. Yeah. >> Remember she had a high water bill. >> Yep. I do. >> We already table one month. I said to have her meter tested. The meter was tested. I do not know really what the
results are other than the fact that I'm pretty sure that the meter is fine. >> Right. But we should know for sure before we have copies of that. Yeah. I know the the testing has been very slow to return the results. >> Do we have a motion to table that again? >> You just don't take it off the table,
but don't >> Yeah, we'll just leave it and reinvestigate that. >> We had one that came back on range. First time understand. >> Wow. >> I thought that happened. >> Well, not usually on residential unless it's >> moving parts.
>> Pumps that are only last 700 hours. It could be same same manufacturer. Do you have Do you have a test finish? >> No, we don't. We did away with it just because nobody was believing our result. >> But no one's right. Yeah. >> You're not going to believe this, but I
don't have any any other questions. >> Are you sure? >> I think you forgot something. >> Well, >> well, with that being said, does anyone else have anything else they want to bring up? >> Just the next meeting. That's a good meeting. >> Make a motion quick. No, >> we need a next date.
>> I got the ninth. Is that right? >> Ninth. It is. Yep. December 9th, my anniversary for the town. >> That's what I have. >> Is that the town's anniversary? Really? >> Well, that's my anniversary when I got hired. >> Oh, your anniversary. Okay. >> Oh, I was going to say the charter
treated. >> That's a weird thing to have in your account. >> I thank you very much both of you for coming. >> No problem. >> Um, we good? >> Yep. >> All right. I make a motion to adjourn our meeting. I second. All
>> in favor? I. Good night everybody. Good night everybody.