##VIDEO ID:psvvGhRY5po## [Music] I'll call the meeting to order it's a meeting of the town of Norton zoning board of appeals getting started just a couple minutes late tonight at 7:04 we are in the new um Norton Town Hall um the meeting was noticed to be here and also online for those who wish to attend online is that Lucas yes I'm here guys okay Mr wak um is attending the meeting as a board member online this evening he had to be at home Lucas thanks um I'm here with Jim tenor and Brian carmichel we have two items on the agenda tonight um the matter of zero East Main Street oh that is the first matter sorry um the matter of Island Brook LLC chapter 40b comprehensive permit mrani and Mr Gallagher U his engineer here tonight uh we call that um item to four Mr Gallagher good evening yes hello um we received um a letter from graves engineering dated December 20 2024 and I understand that we have Graves engineering attending by Zoom is that correct yes Jeffrey Walsh Mr Walsh are you with us I am with you Mr chairman good evening uh chairman Noel it's been a lot of years glad to see you again thanks it's a little tough to hear could you turn up the volume on that or no that is it uh I do not have volume control on my end but I will try to speak louder is this any better um you're fine I was asking Shane actually from um Community um aable access we have a very small monitor so you're you're across the room and you're on a laptop I I'll try to listen as you go I'll try to be very careful in listening with us tonight is Mr itani um and also Mr Gallagher um Mr Tori and and Mr wak I assume you've looked at the letter it's only three pages um my intent would be to um let Mr uh Walsh guide us through that tonight unless you have any questions up front um this is a peer review uh letter from graves engineering again dated December 20 I assume the applicant obviously has a copy yes of this and uh Mr Walsh if you could um bring us up to date as to what you did and and what you didn't do in this phase certainly thank you Mr chairman um what we again we're the peer reviewer on behalf of the Norton zoning board of appeals I'm Jeff Walsh from graves engineering of Worcester um what we were charged with doing is reviewing the the phasing plan for this project um we were not charged with reviewing any modifications to whatever um plans the board had last reviewed just the phasing of the project in specific we're charged with uh reviewing the road layout uh with respect to any dead ends that would temporarily be created the water supply the sewage disposal uh collection and Disposal system system in this case it's the project is connected to offsite public sewer um we're look charged with looking at the uh ver connection between phase one and phase two as far as um grading issues uh and the storm water management system the the the Crux of the review was to make sure that if only phase one were constructed the plans clearly identified phase one were and phase one could stand and operate on its own um um having all the amenities needed for a subdivision and all which includes the dog park and the play area um since the time we set that proposal in last summer I do understand the plans were revised um and this review is not subject uh is not um discussing that subject I'd like to stop you there and ask you the extent to which that that holds because what plans did you review what was the plan date uh it's on the top bullet of our letter the plans that we reviewed were dated um they had various dates on them and rather than recite them they're on the bull top bullet on page one of our review letter I see thank you you're welcome and and what is meant what is meant when you say at the bottom of the First full paragraph not a peer review of project modifications or plan revisions you were you were reviewing the revised plans were you not in the concept of phasing of the project when we were um first engaged last summer the project had a layout whereby phase two was a looped Road and we Pro provided our proposal based upon that and we were told at that time I Believe by the applicants team that the plans upon which we provided our phasing review proposal would be changing and when the when the plans finally arrived at our office at the end of September they did change but again with it was changes with respect to the layout of the project and again our our scope back in the summer was phasing review okay yeah but wouldn't have so my question to that would have been CU we changed the plan based on the phasing well yeah that's what I'm trying to get at what maybe we have to have these referenced plans in front of us because I don't remember what phasing was shown then the plans have changed uh I was asking it's not a peer review of modifications or plan revisions my understanding was that it was going to be and I'm not not pointing any fingers at the process I'm just asking what the limitations of the review are that's where I'm trying to get at uh exactly Mr okay well with respect to that um the plans initially had um basically a large loop throughout this project with a cut through Road roughly at the phase one phase 2 line and um the newer plans upon were the basis of our review had um for the phase 2 portion instead of a looped Road as a single um Dead End Road with a CLD back at the end of it so I did not review for horizontal layout vertical layout whether or not the Dead End Street um would be concerning a problematic and so on and so forth um when again when we were engaged it was with the understanding that we'd be ring phasing the phasing of the project and my interpretation of that was to let the board know whether each phase one could be self-sufficient in itself and whether we had any concerns that the the phasing would in fact um the especially phase one would not have some of the infrastructure um to support the phase one project if phase two never went forward okay I'm looking at the plan the top page of which is dated October 27 of 2023 which you seem to reference and that doesn't show a loop I mean that doesn't show um that shows that Loop Road with the cut through one of the original ones that we had seen one of the old one of the right yeah it was one almost one of the the plan that's what I'm trying to match up okay what it was um Graves was reviewing and how that has changed uh keep in mind the sheets 2 through6 that are dated October 27th that was the original plan dates on those sheets but those plan sheets were also revised up in up through September 27th of 2024 Mr um the the reason there's so many plan dates on our letter is because this multiple plan dates and revision dates on the sheets that were forwarded to us you go ahead Mr Gallagher so yeah um what I well first of all just Jeff's review covered the uh plans that were revised through September 27th 2004 that's the that's the set of plans that we presented to you that's what we are working with now correct and that set of plans with that revision date did show the layout change with the single Dead End Road rather than the two Loops okay so he's reviewing what's current okay but I thought that was that's confusing because I thought he said and maybe I maybe I misunderstood it but I thought you said that that didn't take into account the single Road oh I'm sorry it did not it took into account the phasing of what is now the plans with the single road but it did not take into account changes in the road layout either horizontal layout or vertical layout or if you're following me it's it's got to do only with the phasing of the project not yeah yeah I think I'm I think I'm good I thought maybe he was looking at it old plan and I wanted yeah no he was looking at the current current but he was he he was looking at it only with regard to how how it's being phased and whether they could be whether phase one and phase two would be independent essentially of one another I just want to make sure you looked at the most current plan thank you to the best of my knowledge I did did that was a tough one Mr Gallagher can you tell us which sheet shows the phasing um well do you know the number of the sheet 15 and 16 are probably the best two sheets to reference thank you as far as the phasing is concerned and probably 16 maybe is the better of the two okay thanks Mr chairman and members of the board sheet one does show the entire site my sheet one has a red line that separates phase one from phase two so you can see the overall site yeah so that's also probably a good one to reference but it's just the there's more detail on the two sheets but if you want an overall that's probably a good place to start that that is Page what one this is one this is the cover sheet room having paper actually helps is that no that's not what it is that's not must be around no this was from our Dropbox that's what I'm going by no that's an old one do you have FR that I can just give it to the board do you have another set of printed with you the the old P I'm looking I didn't bring m i I only have one set of prints yeah I'm looking at the Dropbox files which I just downloaded again and it's not the same it's not your fault I'm saying our Dropbox doesn't seem to have it has several sheets here it goes up to sheet 18 y but they don't seem to be what you have there okay so I will go with paper and try to ignore what I was looking at you get what I'm saying you see what I'm saying too yeah I I know we have this printed out I literally didn't have time to grab my folder yeah and so I guess we should get the whatever current plans are in you send the scans you send us PDFs right separate yeah let's make sure we have yeah I mean these are all dated January 8th that's just because that's when Dropbox got them I guess when whoever loaded them in Dropbox but it doesn't seem to be the same set unless I'm missing something um go ahead well a couple things just one thing for clarity like Jeff said we've got um different rision dates on different shets and the reason is because like just in the most recent thing that I just submitted uh Jeff pointed out a couple of sort of scribers errors that were on that were on three of the sheets so I revised those three sheets and gave them a revision date of the January I think it was the 13th oh so that's just happened actually yeah and okay and uh but what I intend to do is um once we're ready for Signature from the board when we get to that point I I expected to just put one one final revision date on the whole plan set that would save for Signature yeah that'll it'll be easier to reference in a decision because it'll be one final revision date but up to now I've just been kind of putting a date on the particular sheets that been revised but anyway that's I just wanted to let you know that for the sake of clarity so Jeff Walsh we interrupted with a question why don't you try to continue um though I still have the question what did what's left out if the modifications themselves weren't weren't reviewed but go ahead okay maybe it's just U what the way I'm reading the letter certainly um well what I'm trying to tell you in comments number one 2 3 four five six and seven um with a couple of exceptions I'll explain in a moment um I am satisfied with project phasing in that phase one can stand on its Zone and if phase two is never constructed um I'm satisfied with the water supply because there's two points of access to for the water supply to the project in phase one and then the water main is looped within the project both in Phase One and phase two I'm satisfied with the sanitary sewage collection system because the pump uh the gravity system within the project project all drains to a sewer pump station within phase one and when if and when Phase 2 is built phase two will connect to the gravity system of phase one and sewage will continue to flow from phase two to phase one right um I'm satisfied that there's no major grading changes at the limit between phase one and phase two so they can blend you know you know a gravel road if you will off the end of the pavement so they continue to have access into phase two it's not like they have a um for example a wetland Crossing in a culvert they have to construct right at the beginning of phase two or anything like that or any deep Cuts or deep fills um with respect to the storm water management system the the storm water basins they're proposing to construct within phase one will serve phase one um and then one of them one more Bas will be constructed in phase two um two things that I'd like to point out that I think either the either the phasing plan should be revised to pick up a couple of these small features or notes added to the plan uh with respect to comment number four beginning at the P top of the second page we don't have any problem with the phazing of the storm water basins but there is a drainage line in um technically in phase two it's an offsite it's an easement between Lots 34 and 35 right and that that piece of drain line needs to be installed from the storm water system in the road this part of phase one to the storm water basin number three that's also po the phase one um not trying to be nitpicky but excuse me the technically the that easement line between lot 34 and lot 35 is is shown to be in phase two and Mr Gallagher go ahead did you already address this or can you address this well I haven't addressed it but let me just show you yeah go ahead so here's where that Loop comes in and here's where our single roadway comes off of that this this heavy dash line is the phase line so this is phase one that's phase two and uh what Jeff's referring to is if you look I have my phase one line including the construction of this Basin because a lot of the stone water from phase one goes into that remember we discussing that a few months ago I think yeah and then these two catch basins at a low point also Fe into that Basin so I'm showing that those those two catch basins and that manhole will be constructed as part of phase one but there's an off-road drainage line that discharges into the Basin and if you look at my dash line it's within phase two but that line does definitely need to be constructed so the understanding is that that pipe is it piping yeah Will will be part of phase one even though on the plan it is sits on the locus of phase two right U Mr Walsh is that what you're addressing and that is that is exactly it thank you so how is that how would we do that add a note to the plan or something or a condition you could do a condition to me as long as it's um documented either as a condition or as a note on the plan or revising the heavy red bold lines either way is fine with me I think it's important that it is clearly documented in writing and there there's three options to do it I'll I'll ask Mr Gallagher if there is there an easy way to just put it on that plan sheet and uh yeah I could just that will be constructed it's part of phase one though it I could add I could just flag a note right off that line and say to be installed during pH and that's not a problem okay go ahead Mr Walsh right and the other the other thing I wanted to bring to attention is comment number 6B on the second page the Force main yeah that's correct there's there's two alternatives for the Force main um one alternative is to Alternative number one actually is for the Force main to be instructed entirely within what is now deline iated is phase one and I have no issue with that the force alternative number two for the Force main is to Route it instead of directly to East Main Street to doute it um northeasterly within phase one then through phase two and then off to the east over to the uh abandoned railroad line and um again there should be a note added to the plan just to make it clear that the force main for alternative number two is needs to be constructed as part of phase one if alternative number two is selected and Mr Gallagher have you selected alternative one or two at this point or what's the feeling of the best way to do that uh DPW prefers that we do phase number two uh the second uh option alternative two alternative two but if we failed in alternative two where we couldn't get an easement from the neighbor then we will go to phase one we're going to try to get that easement from the neighbor once once the board approves the plans then we can approach the neighbor the neighbor is aware of it we showed him plans we met with him on site but we we didn't have the exact now we have the exact location of it how does it impact his business and stuff like that so he wanted to get the final plans before before we sign basically what what is the who is the neighbor or what is the LA it's an old station um it's the old railroad station they now sell like patio blocks the Pao blocks this ties into the very back of his property I see so he he's he's right here thank you and this is the sewer eement the sewer line comes right down here and um so our alternative one was to have a pump station um here and then just run our Force main here and down East Main Street to connect but DPW you mean the town has the town prefers that we connect from the top Al alternative too do you can you interpret why or can you relate why well I think it's because mainly because they just re resurface that makes sense um so alternative to is the pump station still in the same location but the force man then comes down and it um it follows this lot line um we we intend to um put it underneath the Wetland by just jacking a pipe underneath so there's no disturbance and then we come across he uh old station begins here yeah and um there's a sewer manhole somewhere in this General um location and so we would just kind of clip a little bit of his property to connect to it but we' obviously need an easement from him and a permission from him this is underground though of course um well it's Underground when it comes to the wet the whole thing yeah the whole thing is underr but you still need an easement from the land owner to go underground we have this glossing right yeah so but even though it's not going to be it's not going to affect him above ground but right to go below the surface you need an eement to do construction that's to do construction and then to maintain it there's no other way to go up to the corner where there is no and and again like see where the corner touches the there's a veral pool there oh there's a veral pool yeah that's what that is all right yeah I mean originally we had it we had it to cross the narrow narrow area but DPW you know recommended that we move it down so which which we did okay so those are the two options not DPW D and again if we were to go with alternative number two we would have to run that Force main as part of phase one so that's another thing that we need to kind of clarify I guess on the plan so you need to make a note on the plan we'd need to flag that out as well and see what's a force main as opposed to the the other part of the system it's either gravity sewer or a force M meaning that it's pumped so gravity is sloping pipes that that carry the flow along because of the slope Force man is a pressure man that's coming out of a pump station so Force Mains really I mean you can run them uphill you can you know they can basically the grade of it isn't a concern at least as far as keeping the you know things flowing um and usually a force M's a lot smaller pipe than a gravity okay I learned it yeah exactly well I knew I knew the difference between the two I didn't know they were small yeah yeah typically they are because they're flowing flowing yeah and they're under they've got velocity too them you know pretty good velocity how far underground are those placed a force main forur should be at least 4 or 5 ft deep to to avoid freezing cross okay thanks more of a curiosity than 42 in or below in in in uh south short right yeah South yeah so that can be um sorry Mr Walsh do you agree that can be taken care of with a note on the plan sheet yes I do I do agree okay then U again back to uh Mr Walsh you you mentioned the numbers of the planning comments phasing comments those that you were satisfied with did you only leave off the two that you just told us about um I was comments 1 through 7 I was satisfied with the intent of um with the exception of the two needed notes to be added to the plan one about the drainage bike and one about alternative number two okay I interpreted that the concept was very clear about they were trying to serve each phase independently and again I don't like to be nitpicky but I've been on enough jobs when if the contractor finds a fla on a plan he uses it to his advantage and I I'd rather see everybody avoid that kind of debate later but um and and with respect to the alternative number two if they were to build this phase one with alternative number two they obviously have to have sanitary um a complete sanitary system in order to get occupancy permits so there was a check and balance on that if you will but I still wanted to make sure that these phasing plans were clear I appreciate it from the town Viewpoint obviously and I assume from the developers as well yeah uh thank you um and then moving on yeah down below General comments number eight there's some sub comments below that 8A and 8B had to do with just lot numbers and lot configurations being shown on the plans I reviewed some of the lot numbering and lot configurations carried over from the older layout of the project uh and those those comments 8A and 8B were addressed by Mr Gallagher in the latest plans he he sent over to our office I believe Monday of this week and I trust that the board received them sometime very recently do we know if we have those or Electronics of those that's what we that's why I was commented on the drop box we got to I'm sure it'll come through at some point but we want to force main it into our Dropbox so we I like how you did that you did what for me I like that yeah okay you like that I said you did that yeah sorry you understand what I'm saying intend do do we have those latest plans of at Town Hall Mr Gallagher or should we have them I sent them by email how big was the file uh that's always a good they're pretty big file I mean they're probably five Meg each one so okay cuz we have a limit for our email of about 19 okay and if it exceeds uh the amount of attachments the email doesn't show up so we might not have gotten it do me a favor get a thumb drive Thum Drive drop it off or Mr Walsh received them yeah yes you no I understand I've saying so we so you think you might not have gotten them Bri cuz it didn't kick back to me the email maybe I don't know who they were sent to was it just to Brian or was it also to M fre well I sent it to Brian Jeff uh Mohammad and uh Chris dagostino our attorney just check out it or include me on them if you want I can I give a thumb drive yeah why don't you forward the email to me in fact that my email well I guess I'm not supposed to use my own email address am I yeah you could use the town you didn't you don't have well but the town will have the same limitation check okay tonight okay you didn't get it I'm going to give you two emails for me ask you just for that and the second email for me is my office email where I get things 20 gigs if you need you can send a email for each page yeah okay just make sure we have it work with the office to a thumb drive may be easier yeah you know too it's all I did this whole filing online so I could I could upload them to the only only was periz and now you're on open go so you wouldn't be able to have it that way okay okay so I'll do that I'll put them all on a thumb cuz they're big I mean when you scan something I know they're really pretty big files I try to print out one of your CAD files sometimes the printer Waits a couple minutes thinks about it and then it spits it out it's it's kind of amazing uh the detail that's there you know cuz we could blow it up on the screen and see the detail that the printer will never pick up but let's just make sure we get that okay to us somehow okay uh but we can talk further about that off offline I guess Mr chairman on the subject of file size could I make a suggestion to the design engineer through you sir yes of course um yeah they were the three plans I received earlier this week did go did go to Brian Carmichael Muhammad natani Christopher agustino and myself there were each of the three plans was about five to six Meg each it took mine I tried to print them and what I ended up doing is using some software that will compress a PDF yeah and I got them to a little over a Meg each and I was able to print them store them and print them uh with much less file size and then that would probably be helpful for the set of documents that the board's going to receive and be asked to endorse because that will make a big difference on the file size when there's 18 sheets or so yeah thanks so was that was it just three sheets then on Monday that's correct Just Three Sheets open so sure because you're right we'll have to print them and manipulate them at some point so okay uh whatever you can do okay Mr Gallagher could use uh there's some soft W out there that they have trial versions you can the compressing makes a big difference when we get unusually large file sizes here yep thank you you're welcome so lastly HC um I had received two sheet 16s in the plans I reviewed one was the newer version of sheet 16 one was the older version of sheet 16 um what was missing to me was a newer sheet a sheet 15 at all which is phase one uh with the detailed of the phasing but nevertheless I was able to do my review without it but for the record you know in the when the final documents come to the board um just need to make sure that all the correct sheets are there okay that's it Mr chairman okay um Jim questions or Lucas online um questions speak up please um I'm I'm I'm still questions okay I'm still wondering the at the end of the first paragraph on the first page the review only addresses project phasing and I understand that Mr W said that and is not a peer review of product project modifications or plan revisions yet obviously Graves did have the modified plans can you explain to me Mr Walsh what a normal a review of project modifications and plan revisions how it might differ uh certainly um well I'll speak to our involvement with this project back in 2013 or or whenever it first came to the board 14 um there was an initial submitt we reviewed Road layout lot layout um horizontal and vertical layouts of the road um storm water management and on and on and on and so it was all the nuts and bolts if you will of the of the subdivision and and during that process like with any peer review process of 40b or even a non 40b um there inevitably are plan revisions and we're looking at the engineering of the project that's the summary of of what our normal PL plan peer review is and um that's what I didn't do here because since I don't think we've been involved with this project since about 2013 with the exception of this recent phasing review so I don't know what transpired between 2013 and now to get the project into this its Lo its layout as of the summer of 2024 when we when we um were asked to look at the phasing plan uh so you know there was a gap there from 2013 is to 2024 of about 10 or 11 years and I just wonder on had went on the assumption that we were specific well not the assumption but with the knowing that we were specifically asked to look at the phasing and again I don't I don't know how or if the board had peer review by another firm I just you know went with the work that we were doing a a review of only the phasing okay so the board did not have other peer review and the project was I'll use the word dormant that's probably not the right word uh but it it was cour system yeah it was in thank you it was in the court system and d review and okay things but Mr Gallagher maybe it's maybe I'm asking the wrong question I get what he I I get what he's saying he's like listen you know we reviewed this once there's a 10-year Gap we have I'm I I haven't we haven't received any information on what transpired in that 10-year Gap so I he's basically saying saying hey I I'm not reviewing anything yeah this letter doesn't review anything beyond the phasing prior to feeing yeah I get what he's saying now so I think if we go back to when we first put this back in front of you was a little over a year ago now yes um so what we had been working with up until to that point was always labeled preliminary plans they were detailed very detailed plans but they were always labeled preliminary um we we have our special permit right our comprehensive permit and that's a pretty big document um we finally got our superseding order of conditions from the DP so the final step in this whole process is to get essentially what amounts to a definitive subdivision approval and and in in most cases a definitive subdivision approval is signed off by the planning board presented and approved sign in in a case of a comprehensive permit it's signed off by the zoning board of appeals so we came back to you essentially saying okay we're finally to a point now where we can present this to you as definitive and hopefully get your endorsement on the plan except for phasing right and so what what I wanted to say was when we first presented this to you we had Chris dagostino with us who couldn't be here tonight but if you remember we um created a chart where we looked at all of the conditions from the comprehensive permit and we showed how we've met that condition essentially the only exception to that was the phasing part of things that was the one uh condition where we said okay well we are phasing it and we need to make sure that that phasing is is deemed adequate by you so Mr Walsh I don't even know if you were aware but there was a comprehensive permit issued in we I think it was 2014 based on and encompassing we assume the the old peer review and then there was the you named it just a moment ago D supplement superseding order of superseding order of conditions from the D Mr Walsh do you feel the need to see that as part of what you're telling us now the superseding order from the D is that something that might inform what you would report back to us or no um with respect to phasing no I would not need to see that um if the board was satisfied with respect to the things I did not review the changes to the L lay out and so forth if the board is satisfied with the plans and the project it it doesn't necessarily have to call upon peer review um it if it if the board has some concerns and wants peer review you know we or somebody else could do that but again when when I started down this path I saw a set of plans that pretty well resembl the 2013 plans so okay that makes sense to me let's go forward with phasing review and it wasn't until the plans arrived in September that the layout change and I I didn't know that was coming I knew revisions were coming I didn't know specifically which ones so also if you recall what we submitted originally to you back in November a year ago did have that double Loop it this was exactly this has remained the same what we had though had like a double Loop like this right we we met with you after we filed that and we presented to you what this what a a single roadway would look like and we got positive feedback from you so that's why we decided okay I I think we can move in that direction so um so that's how this came into the picture if you remember yeah um now uh as far as our superseding order from the DP um we're actually doing much less work now with this than what they've given us approval to do so we if this gets approved as it is we're going to go back to the DP we're going to submit these revised plans to them and we're going to say I see we expect that you would accept this as a minor modification to the approval you've already given us because it's within approval in your yeah the fact is we're actually now doing less than what you've already approved so we don't see that as we we think that'll be well received by the DP but we don't actually have to go in front of them because we're doing less work so so our limits was here we moved the limit in so don't have to go it's really a case of just saying to them look accept these plans into your file because we've made a few changes but it's less it's less work essentially your expect to keep your file complete with we're submitting this your expectation is that would be reviewed administratively and they would yes but we don't need to get it actually you don't need the permission no because we're doing less work so our limit of work that was approved okay we're going to be working with less than that so it shouldn't be any issue at all okay um so having said all that that um this this single access road is you know it's essentially the same roadway section uh the same spacing on storm water catch basins the same details on the water connections the sewer Mains it's basically all the same as what you've already seen Jeff Jeff is I think trying to be professionally cautious in saying that that way and I think I'm just I may be stuck on the disclaimer you know that's what I doity yeah right so I maybe we're maybe I'm asking the wrong question or or maybe we're beyond the question what's your I I when he the way he explained it I understood what he did I the when I first read that footnote too I said the same thing I said well wait a minute why he's not reviewing the revisions that we did with why we what are we doing here because I think that would be going back to a square not I want to say square one but an earlier a more detailed review Mr Walsh is that what you're saying and that's correct it would be a more detailed review would take a lot more labor hours than what the phasing review required I I will share with the board that the one concern that comes up is is is as we know with 40 BS they're supposed to meet any local regulations unless they are granted a waiver uh I did not check the subdivision rules and regulations this is a subdivision those are local regul regulations uh that would be administered under the comprehensive permit but subdivision rules and regulations usually have a requirement about maximum C Sac length some communities speak to the number of dwelling units some do not um that's the one thing that's concerning with me is that that um you know it probably doesn't meet the local subdivision rules regs with respect to that that end length of of mostly the phase two Road and if the board has concerns with it my my suggestion the one party I'd want to hear from uh would be the Emergency Services Department in Norton especially the fire department about their take on the length and number of dwellings along the dead dead end Street and I think Mr Gallagher from facial expressions is saying that he's considered work set on it go ahead I I we asked for that waiver as part of our list because really when you look at this this whole thing is a dead end we we have one access point on East Main Street so the entire development is really a dead end in effect we had engineer we did ask for that waiver and Comm with the chief and and that was approved yep so I think we're good on that Jeff okay I mean we'll we'll double check of course as we close this button this up but uh thank you thank you for that you're welcome and one one thing to keep in mind too if the waiver was requested and granted with that interior phase two being looped and it's now just a single road that is a different layout than what the fire Department might have seen a number of years ago and it might be worthy of running this by them just to just again Public Safety is important so make sure that they're they're satisfied I'm not trying to open up a can of worms with the board of the of the applicant but um just so that everybody goes into this including the Emergency Services knowing what they're going to see on the ground when construction gets underway did we do that last year on this we we we I this board approved it we did not run it by the fire department but I don't know if the fire department seen I think he's right has the fire department seen the single Road in the cuat that I'd say I would say most likely no yeah I not for certain because uh you know when we do submit these there's a distribution list of departments that that it goes to but followup revisions may not get to distributed so well we can certainly um it's a just to make sure they're comfortable with the diameter and everything like that that might be yeah I thought they were involved a year ago but I made they were but we changed that and I remember we changed it to a single Road and I don't know if they've seen that he brought up a good point I don't I don't know if they've seen the single road yeah but and we could definitely do that because the culdesac the roadway is uh we had a wave of for the width of the roadway but the culdesac and the diameter of that is according to the subdivision rules and regulations so so they would I I mean I would expect they'd say well we do have the turnaround that we're looking for because okay it's you know that's that's right out of the subdivision but we can certainly uh double check with a note to the fire chief yeah I mean it's I don't think that would slow us down a whole h a lot and it's I think it's very y m Mr Walsh uh was there anything else uh from your phasing review that you wanted to note to us and we appreciate the work done uh thank you for asking no there was nothing else I I felt I needed to share with the board uh just to summarize I'm very comfortable with the intent and the devil was in the details on a couple of couple of or more issues so Mr Gallagher submitted plans 3 days ago two days ago did you do your comments I'm sorry maybe I misunderstood Mr Walsh do those get beyond your comments do those satisfy your comments or are you not sure yet I you know I don't know what you've looked at in the last two days um I did look at those three plans and they did satisfy comments 8A and 8B um I I did not want to put together another letter so close to the meeting right I know the board would probably need time to look at it to be prepared and um so I didn't want to confuse things um so to summarize what I think I haven't seen yet but we discussed tonight that Mr Gallagher will address is taking care of the two notes on the plans with respect to the drain line and alternative number two of the sanitary for me and then we'd be good with a complete set of plans okay um and so Mr Gallagher how soon would you be addressing that is that a matter of a couple hours couple days or is that a matter of yeah you can't get it done for the next three weeks no I could get it done tomorrow morning if you're willing to do that I mean tomorrow morning or in the next few days would you be able to submit those uh along with whatever Pages those are that you submitted two days ago yeah get that all to us so that we have it too and and to Mr Walsh U so that he can just take a a look and see if that that's what that's what we would ask uh going forward it sounds like we're it sounds like we're bringing it to aead and that's appreciated by us and by um the developer of course uh but we but we do want to make sure that is buttoned up so Mr Walsh is that acceptable absolutely I'd be glad to look at those when when they're finally available okay um thank you and then Mr Gallagher Mr itani what else is there tonight to get to are there other changes or progress or regress that we need to be aware of no would the board be be voting to just go ahead accept the plans after we add those two notes and and move on Yes except we we've asked to hear for Mr Walsh a final time and we are going to run the plan by the fire department just to see if there's any comment um again not trying to regress at all but just make sure who's going to communicate with the with the fire department Brian are you or we're going to we're going to do that um we can or you can to you I'm I'm asking whatever your preference is what are those pages to be revised too or do we have have present pages that you that we could send them or you tell us what to send those AR or are you more comfortable sending the pages that you deem appropriate yeah I probably i' probably be better off doing it honestly just cuz I can print them out and uh I just I think the best thing is I'll print I'll print a full set and just give it to the fire department with a cover letter that would be that's great and I'll copy could you copy uh CPA Brian and Brian will get it to us um including the the letter as well as the um the plans um and then the next meeting is February yeah so we have it set for it was set for the 12th the 12th but it I'm definitely not going to be here um you think the 19th I think I might be available the 19th but I'd have to wa I have to wait till I get I have to check tomorrow on my work laptop what if it's not the 19th it's going to have to be March not the day before the 19th oh it could be the 18th and 19th correct either one the 18th if if I'm here that week which I think I am then I could do either the 18th or 19th but if I'm not here that week I'm about 90% sure I am it sounds like we should set the next hearing date for the 19th I I don't know how Lucas is if he's oh yeah well course yeah looking at my calendar now okay that's that's okay for me I know that so which day G we trying to go see it's the week after either the 18th or 19th well 19th is the Wednesday right 19th is the Wednesday and that's usually what we do so yeah I I'm good why don't we then change Mark to the 19th and then I'll if some if something changes I'll have it definite by tomorrow oh okay yeah and we can deal with it after yeah I yeah I think I think it sounds that sounds that sounds fun I mean just let us know as you know yep and um does the board need to vote to continue to a set date so do we do the 19th yeah as a set date for the Contin that's what we're we're about to do yeah that's why we did that Lucas any other issues um before we continue no I'm good sorry I didn't hear what you said I said date wise date wise yeah the 19th yeah okay Jim yeah I I I I'm I'm 90% sure I'm here that and hopefully we can get this um buttoned up then um informationally anyway is there anybody appearing remotely that wishes to question or comment on the island Brook development I don't see anybody Mr carmichel no nobody raised their virtual hand their virtual hand Mr Walsh are you in as Norton resident no that's um that's somebody else Lu okay that's me sorry okay I just wanted to uh to altero yeah see if you are misrepresenting anything I didn't think you were in Orton um okay U can you uh join us on the 19th we may not it may be very brief for your participation but uh is that dat available for you if we get final correspondence and we want to ask a question or two yes Mr chairman I'm available the 19th and I'll pencil it in okay I think I'm good well we can we'll determine that soon enough is there a motion then to continue the island Brook matter with the applicant's um blessing yes uh to uh February 19th at let's just say 7:05 in case there's a small matter that comes before before awesome I'll make that motion okay is there a second Lucas second uh Mr Tor how do you vote Yes Mr wak yes Mr Noel votes yes as well we're all in agreement for once and uh so we will be back on this matter on the 19th of February our next meeting date wonderful thanks everybody yeah thank you and we'll look for the plans or the thumb drive or whatever however you can provide it want this set of PODS I can leave it l if if you um able to yeah is that the current set though this is the the most current including Mondays yeah ah yeah might as well yeah we do have a a plan that's a full yeah that's a full set with all if you look sheet 8 and N are U revised the 13th and then uh um sheet 14 I think 13 8 n and 13 no I'm sorry um I think you give me the email this morning about which one had this one I'm sorry it's a sheet 10 no that's not the one either I can look at my email see which one 8 9 14 14 yeah what's that a list yeah Frank gave us a list uh today about what the updates were that be helpful can you pass that out to us too or push it out to us to get members on now there was a note about two page 16s yeah so I'm going to send um Jeff page 15 oh okay okay he's I guess somehow he got two page 16s but in any case I'll leave this with you that's everything up to date okay and uh I'll follow up with those other things and I'll probably just I think what I'll do with that is I'll bring every single sheet up to date with with all with the same revision date on them all right okay thank you for your assistance than a lot appreciate it good night thank you have a good night stay warm yeah it's cold here in Norton isn't it it's cold everywhere yeah hey not too bad look to this over right six more weeks and we'll be out of yeah I don't know so okay um next item on the agenda zero Hill Street um applicant Dan Campbell owner Anthony laruso and let me just yeah I thought I saw it I just print it you saw it too y there's a request to continue um while they regroup and determine what they're going to do I believe so is there a motion to continue that matter again to February 19th I'll make that motion 7 o'cl I guess February 19th 7 o' Lucas second second all right Mr Tor yes Mr rosak yes Mr noell votes yes as well that matter is continued to the 19th at 7 o'clock okay um items of business um Brian had a very busy month of December he sent us a bunch of minutes to uh to look over I suggest we start with the most recent first and I think Brian's email was January 3rd where he sent us the um drop file the U zip file of U of minutes some were for the planning board but we don't have to look at those actually the ones that are the joint meeting that we had to advertise for barowski you guys have to also agree on that's what planning board minutes I see how do I if I didn't attend it how do I approve it you don't so since we did the advertisement for the agenda for you guys you guys also have to approve it even though you might not have been there I I think I was the person who sat it on those I sat on like one or two and then I was so we can I'll look at those next I mean we're not going to do it all tonight anyway so can I suggest that we um for the next meeting go through um the last three which are December November and October of 24 unless you're prepared to do that right now I just printed them out a couple hours ago and I I was starting to look through them but I looked through them I was comfortable I mean I'm like I started way back I mean it's I kind of went through some cuz I keep somewhat notes but yep you know I mean I got through probably a good half up into 24 well so you didn't the last three and 24 you did not I didn't know cuz I started way back cuz I figured that was more important can I suest yeah well because it was I I just had a different approach can I suggest then at the next meeting we go through the last six most recent yep for the you know second half of 2024 realizing that some of those might be labeled planning board right and if you weren't there you weren't there yep I can comment on them but let's take six at a time we can do six at the next meeting okay and so the last half basically of 2024 whatever those dates were gotcha we could wrap those up and I see you know the format um this one's by Paul planning director Brian is on others then we just have to review and say we approve yep and then they can file them yep so um you know we won't take a whole lot of time on this but let's do the six at the February 19th meeting sounds good all right and is there other item of business I see a requisition that was uh Jeff Walsh's uh peer review so this is a u bill I assume it's here and a uh tally sheet of past um expenses This concerns Graves engineer Graves engineering's peer review of The Island Brook matter and the current bill January 8 is $855 75 I assume that there is sufficient money in the uh peer review fund so is that here too yeah so thank you here that yes so they have $1,618 remaining remaining okay that was removed from the 11 I see this she I got you I see how it works this is a tally sheet over time showing the 855 applied to what was the 11,000 yep balance and they have $1,618 change yep so is there a motion to approve the bill from graves engineering for $855 75 I'll make that motion that was through January 8th there'll be another bill going forward of course but um second thank you um Mr Tori yes Mr wasak yes and Mr votes yes as well do I have to initial list or something you you have to sign oh boy my signatur is worth nothing except a town hall so okay is that it yep that is it any other business uh just the one uh we are having our we are having barowski talk to the planning board to start the process to bring that to town meeting and we're going to invite you guys because you were also a part of the process so when is that next Tuesday oh I won I I will try okay I will try I'll send you the agenda thank you that's Mr barosi leading the talking about process and procedure going forward okay um got it thank you I I will I I think I should be able to attend so I will do you realize next Tuesday the forecast high temperature for nor Norton is something like 7 6 7 deges yeah six at night yeah but the high is like 16 or 17 for the day I'll be Pennsylvania wow oh it would be much warmer down in Pennsylvania I know Pennsylvania H Pennsylvania um so on a cold winter night I will have nothing else to do but attend the joint uh planning board uh meeting and if you wish to come in person we'll be using well I may want to warm but the crane okay I didn't know it was in person I thought it was in it's hybrid so okay got it um maybe I'll turn my heat off at home to save some oil and warm up here at Town Hall it'll just you'll use more oil when you turn it back on yeah you actually save you actually save some by not turning it off I turned it down to 60 today I went I have it on my phone now and it went down to 60 in like two hours you know it's like whoa I need to look at the insulation in my house um okay um Shane thank you very much uh Jim and Lucas thank you uh let's call the meeting adjourned at 88:13 yes thank you very much