Okay, I'll call the meeting to order. This is a meeting of the Town of Norton Zoning Board of Appeals. Um, Mr. Noel, Mr. Tori, Mr. Ferguson are here along with Mr. Carmichael and Mr.
Bailey. I don't know if you're on camera, but Mr. Bailey is here. So, if he needs to get in trouble for this, there he is. Um, we have one item on the agenda for hearing, but there was a mixup with the
Sun Chronicle and it didn't get published in time. You have to give 2 weeks notice I guess and or more than 14 days and it didn't get published. So the applicant's aware and the applicant will not be there tonight. But the first item
on the agenda is to set a couple of meeting dates. Just informally a minute ago, we looked at our calendars and said February 11 works for our next meeting. Yes. >> Yep. Yeah. >> So can we mark down February 11? >> Yep.
>> And can we as long as we're looking >> Yeah. Let's >> 1 2 3 4. That's March 11 or March 18th. middle of the month. That's either four or five weeks from February. >> Um, Mr. Clerk, do we have applications
coming? Do we know aside from the one that's on? >> Uh, just the one that we have on >> We don't have a We don't have five or six looking at us. >> We don't have a pile. No. >> Okay, that's good. >> I'm not here on the week. I'm not I'm out the 10th through the 17th.
>> Oh, okay. That makes it easy. Can we do the 18th? >> Sure. I'm the 18th. >> Okay. So, March 18, February 11. Feel free to look to April if you want. >> Yep. Hold on. I'm just putting that in. Make sure that's in there. All right. Let's go.
>> 4 weeks into April is April 15th. >> Tax day. >> It was tax day. I don't >> I can do it. >> It doesn't matter. That's fine. >> Yeah, that's fine. >> April 15. Okay. He's going to get your taxes in the mail before the meeting or after if you want to drive down to
provenence. Um, >> okay. So, that's good for the next 3 months. >> Okay. >> Does that good? >> Y. And the first item on our agenda is the public hearing that was noticed for 21 Kingsley Road
um applicant Margaret Gorman, but um there was a uh an error. Uh the Sudden Chronicle did not publish the notice in time. So while it's on the agenda, and that's legal, >> we [clears throat] don't have proper
publication. So the applicant was notified. And is there a motion to put 21 Kingsley Road to our next meeting which we just decided is February 11th at 7:02? >> I'll make that motion. I'll second. >> Any further discussion? Nope.
>> All those in favor? Mr. Tenori? >> Yes. >> Mr. Ferguson? >> Yes. >> And Mr. votes? Yes. As well. So that is our one heavy lift for the evening. Um then we have um we're not on Zoom
tonight which is unfortunate. This is being taped for the community access uh channel and we'll be there but um technical issue with Zoom. So uh we're not able to be out on Zoom tonight since the hearing was continued. The applicant
knew about the hearing obviously being continued. >> You'll notify them about the February 11th date. Hopefully they're good with that. Are the papers in the um open gov or Dropbox? >> Yes. >> Okay. So, those are complete. We can look at those anytime for the next for
the next meeting. Then we have uh minutes. Um, I had asked, well, Brian sent us a message to um, look at some minutes and then I saw that back in October, Paul D.
Jeppi had sent us a whole list, which is, I guess, the same list that Brian used last week, but Paul D. Jeppi on the October 19th had emailed us a whole list that the clerk's office says they don't have.
I spent some time on this because I always want to be legal. Um maybe um we do have some catchup to do in approving, but I put together Brian, I call it
Brian's list or could be Paul's list. And actually several of these we did approve and a couple should be in, but I have copies of one of them. So, just for the record on this list was August 19,
2020. Yeah, that's what I said. And I said, "What? That's they don't have that." Guess what? We did do that. We approved it in October 2020. This is my copy. I keep uh I PDF
and then I scan in minutes as you know, we do them and sign them. So this is a copy of August 19, 2020. Says we approved it in the October meeting 2020. This might have been uh when Nicole
Salvo was leaving. >> Oh. In transition. >> And so I have emails from her sending these minutes and then a copy of the actual signed minutes. whether I sent it to her
and she didn't turn it in or you weren't here then, right? >> No, I came in September the following year. >> 21. Yeah. >> Oh, yeah. Okay. I couldn't remember that either. Here's a copy. Now, if the clerk has a problem with that being a photocopy and you don't have to tell the clerk, number one,
>> but you know, I No, you don't have to tell the clerk either. But the camera never lies. Well, the camera does lie. something. I'm lying. But I I would ask you to submit these to the clerk >> if you want to, Tom. You can just >> write it over again.
>> I could sign it again, but you know, they were dated back in October 2020. Just say they should have these anyway. Um, next, we had approved at our October meeting because I went back and looked, we had
approved the rest of No, the first half of 2025. Yeah. >> Plus one for March 2024. And I don't remember why that was a straggler, >> but >> I don't remember out of it, but I remember doing it. >> We approved it. So, I'm And these are
new to you now. Um, and we had said, "Okay, let's get them in shape and get them in." I'm getting them in. So for the record, March 11, 2024 meeting >> and then January, March,
April, May, and June of 2025 of this past year. Yeah, >> we didn't have, I guess, a February meeting, but the other five, these are new to you, Brian, for submission to the
clerk's office along with March 11, 2024. So, that's good. We got we're caught up there. Then we have more minutes to look at tonight. Do you have copies of those or in your computer?
>> I'm in my email. >> I can pass them around. >> I have them. >> Mr. Ferguson, you weren't here then anyway. >> Yeah, >> Jim, you were. >> Yeah. >> But >> this is what we have. These are drafts that I think from Brian or Paul. Um,
>> most likely. >> Sorry. >> Most likely. >> Yeah. Okay. >> So, this is I might as well start. So, we have to do July through the end of the year. This year, not this year. Sorry. Last year. >> Last year. 2025. So, here's July. Do you
want to take a gander at that? And we can we can put this off till the next meeting if you want, but >> let's just do a good one. >> Sure. And it's not on the right mast head. And >> no, that's okay. >> But I I'm going to do that after we either mark them up or not. And Nick,
you can certainly look at these. >> This one, right? I joined the August. >> Okay. So, you're on the August. >> Well, let me give you the August uh first. Oh yeah, Nick Fus. >> Yeah, I'm on this one. >> No, no, you were on this one.
>> Yeah, >> but was he a member of >> Yes, it was J. Yeah, it was July that I >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah. >> So, here I'm going to give you all this. You can look those over in the meantime. I will >> if you have any comments. Um, again,
they're to be neatened up a little and I'll put the signature lines on, but So I I did a list because I had to This is This is your list. I just took a picture of the side frames, have drafts
edited, and this is what we're doing right now. But these were were approved on by on October 14. So I just printed them out and sign them. Okay. >> Uh this is what we're doing now down
here. >> Do you have another one for you? These are the ones that you just passed in. These are the ones. >> That's right. Sorry. >> September. Yeah, please just grab um
these now have drafts. >> I think those are the >> Oh, and it you know what I did? I went back and I got planning board minutes um and use those as drafts. >> I'll talk to you about it. >> Yeah, that's
>> later. I don't have these tonight. I'm gonna work on those a little bit because Jim and I were at the first meeting and then I was at a couple of the meetings and we didn't have a quorum at any time which is noted on the planning boards
but I'm not sure what I'm going to note there for our attendance. So I might say this one okay joint >> administrative person on behalf of and
>> you know what I'm saying and >> he can he can do auto correct >> consistent with you know our understanding of discussions and then just do it that way just to submit something. Um but I'll take care of that in the weeks ahead.
these from 23. They said that was before >> that was during the period of time when either Maria was here. >> That's right. >> I was just getting
>> to those specifications left. >> This is the blank one. This is just your list. >> So July, there's nothing there. Okay. You want October? >> Wait. So July is done. Hold on. >> I'm just going to flip them over when you're done. Sure. Oh, that's fine.
>> Oh, you took another one already. And we do have So, we have October, November. >> For December, that meeting was missed. >> We missed the meeting because I didn't get the agenda in time, >> right? >> And it was initially just going to be minutes anyway, >> right? >> So,
>> I'm unclear. Should I still deal on this? I just >> There was no need cuz we didn't do I think it's February last year. That's what I was wondering if we're supposed to, but I Okay, so this should take care of the rest of the year, but these from
these are drafts that you all did or maybe for I don't I didn't go back into these yet. >> Yeah, >> we'll have to I'll have to knock them off >> maybe four at a time or something. just >> for example
I thought yeah >> might be just one thing >> there was no planning board minutes and it's for J to
>> I I have the upstairs max I did have the same thing with uh planning board where there was um some missing minutes >> okay Um, we did have a planning board member want to make edits and I want to work with them. >> Well, that was the June meeting then cuz
I think that's the one. Yeah, >> I said nothing in planning board portal. I think that's still accurate. This was yesterday's >> if you want I can scan that one. >> Yeah, do that and just send it to me. Yeah, >> cuz I can look off that
portal online has the finish the other finish meetings joint meetings. >> So that one is going to be signed. >> Okay, fine. >> That's fine. >> And cuz I think I was at that meeting.
>> I don't know. And there were two. >> This one is the old one. It just adds this one. I said missing. It's obviously here. I don't know why I don't have that
completed. So, I will look at getting that one done. >> When I say missing, it wasn't in my computer file at work. Like, I didn't have [clears throat] this >> incomplete or signed. So, I don't know what happened to that one, but I'll I
circle that. So, I'll get back to that. And then these were taken care of. These are these are done. I'm not bringing copies of those. I have >> I guess I need copies of those, >> right? You know what? I Okay, I should I
can send you the PDFs of these two as well because we did those And I have signed copies. >> In other words, the clerk's office should have them, >> but for some re if they're on your I assume
this is the list from the clerk's office. This is what Paul sent the same zip file in October saying the clerk's office says you have to get caught up on the list because they're missing all these. So, I'm assuming these are all clerk does not have. Yeah,
>> I will I'll send you copies like this in a signed blue engine. Um, >> if I want to accept them, I'll sign over something like you said there. >> Yeah, >> I don't want to do that now. Just messing about. >> So, the November one I was not here for.
>> That was the one I could make. >> Okay. Did you see that one? >> He has not yet. >> You do. Correct. >> Oh, right. But just we can two of us >> you too can I have I still haven't watched it
>> I think I I need to um >> I still if it's continued so if they finished the application that night you don't have to have the >> it's form Lucas that was supposed to do a form >> because that was continued from
September >> okay >> yeah was when I was stuck at work But you're you're okay. You don't have to. >> Yeah. Okay. I'm good. And there was nothing because we didn't meet in December, >> right? >> Right. >> And so there's nothing from this one
that's going to carry over. Correct. >> Correct. >> All right. Good. >> All right. >> Yeah. We finished everything up that night. >> Okay. >> All right. Had to circle my name a couple times. >> So there are a couple. He's circling his name spelled wrong. So >> Okay.
Um other other than that, can we go through these? You do one motion if you want. >> Yep. >> Um to approve the substance of the drafts of sorry >> July 16th, 2025. >> Yeah, I was looking at my notes.
August 20th, 2025, September 10th, 2025, October 14th, 2025, and what will be pending his review would be November 19th, 2025
>> with notes uh written thereon by the board members. Minor edits, >> minor edits >> and um >> grammar. Just grammar edits. Nothing stop motion. >> Yeah, finish just about.
>> Well, why don't we do these and then we'll do that one separate. You know what I mean? >> Okay. Is there a second on this motion, Nick? Uh, Mr. Ferguson, on the motion to approve these >> the substance. There's a motion pending to I'll second his >> second. Okay. All those in favor?
>> I I >> All All three voted. Yes. So, >> that's for the July >> August, September, and October. >> Great. Now, Mr. Ferguson, is there a motion for
Mr. Ferguson to approve the substance of the draft minutes from what's the date? >> November >> November 19th, 2025. >> I will make that motion. with minor edits noted there on to be put into final shape by chair and then submitted.
Did you make that motion? >> Yes. >> Is there a second? I'll second that. >> Yeah, I can't. >> Yeah. And uh all those in favor? I >> Okay. So, thanks. and I'll I'll go through and look at your u your changes and we'll get those in the
record before or at the next meeting and then we should be done with >> 24 and 25 except for one. Well, no, cuz I do have these done. The clerk had some apparently missing. I'm not sure why
because I have them in my file, but again, I'll I'll provide copies of those two. So, thank you. That's uh that's good. We're making progress. There's a list of them from 2023 that I'm going to have to look
at. I'll ask you, Jim, >> I can go back into my emails. >> Yeah, >> cuz I don't delete any of the town emails. >> Yeah. >> So, I can go back in and look if you could forward me. >> I can. >> Or I could just take a picture of that list. >> It's October. The email is from Paul on
October 19th. Did I get the email? >> Yeah. Well, >> soon. So, and then Brian resent it. >> Yeah. >> And I sent the drafts, so you guys should be able to look. >> Okay. >> Yeah. That these are the drafts that you sent. >> Yeah. >> When did you send that one? In December
or >> I know when I sent it to you when you asked. I sent all the stuff to the members. Then I also sent them in October as well, I believe. >> I thought that was from Paul, but okay. It might be from Bryant, but I can I can
forward those emails to you, Jerry. >> I'm sure I have them. I just have to look. Again, I don't delete anything in here. You know what I mean? >> Um >> I don't know why we never did these except that we were >> I was probably falling behind back then >> in between. Yeah. People >> I just lost Maria
>> and then >> Right. >> I was I was [clears throat] alone for a year. >> So, we never finalized those, but we can probably do those at the next meeting. I can send you this Jim the same list. >> I just took a picture. So I'll go through
>> Okay. >> Uh the only question I have for you, >> Brian, is so I switched I got a new service pro. Um and I lo I it it saved my email password to get on to the town
email and now I don't know it. So, >> so who do I got to call to get that reset so I can >> That would be Adam, our part-time it can reset your password and >> Oh, yeah. >> Adam. >> Yeah. >> Okay. I don't know. Yeah.
>> Yeah. I can send an email to him tomorrow and see you. >> Can you see? Cuz I am getting them on my phone, >> but I'm not getting them on my computer because I don't I >> You didn't plug in the password there. >> Well, this is all new. You know what I mean? So, it didn't save the password. So I'm having I got finally got it took
me a while to get on open gov on the on this new laptop. Yeah. Well cuz you got to get ang I had to reset it and >> so I'm in open gov. I just don't have the email on the computer. >> Okay. >> So >> it's a work in progress. It's a whole thing. >> Yeah.
>> That's why I didn't want to do it. But my other one stopped working. So I had no choice. >> You had no choice there. All right. So we're getting caught up on the minutes. I'll keep working on the gaps that we have, but I'd ask
Brian to give these to the clerk, the new ones to the clerk and and the copy of the one. And um they should update their list, too. Um but in any event, that's what's uh
that's what I have. So, um Mr. the building commissioner. What do we have going on in town? Any new uh matters that you're sending us? >> Nothing that is nothing that's come
before me has been being sent here quite yet. Um, okay. >> There's a few that need some more information that may end up falling this way depending on their answers, but >> y >> uh we're starting to see more more new
stuff and more commercial rather than >> Yeah, >> the renovation seems like that's kind of folding out right now. And >> interesting. >> The uh the subdivisions and commercial building are kind of taking hold for a little bit. I um I emailed Ed a few days ago and he
got back to me. I was looking for I'm thinking of replacing oil, heat and hot water with propane and got as far as well check with your town as to their local cuz you got to put tanks whether they're above or underground,
[clears throat] >> not too close to buildings or electrical possible ignition sources. And I had seen the mass state regs and some towns they'll have their own bylaws. I didn't see one in our bylaws.
I I searched them for propane and it comes up with just as part of you know part of something else but nothing addressing and then confirmed that we just go by the state whatever that >> NFPA 58. >> You got it. which like I said their
their setbacks are pretty much in line with what we would call an accessory structure anyway which I think we'd probably be reaching to say propane tanks an accessory structure but >> well >> I have seen other towns go that route and >> interesting >> creates creates more headaches than it's
worth they're they're usually the towns that are trying to outlaw fossil fuels so they >> add more hoops >> really >> well I was just curious but thank you for getting back to me No problem. >> Sent he sent me two diagrams from the state. They're a little fuzzy, by the
way. We need better copies, but >> I I don't have NFPA 58, so those are screen grabs. >> I'd have to go get it from the the fire department cuz it's not truly my code. >> I see. >> So, I could have a copy of it, but at 100 bucks a book, there's no point to have >> got it.
>> Four of them sitting around the the temp. >> We don't have that in our budget. I know that. So, >> yeah, but the fire department has it, you said, right? >> They have it. Yeah. So, so if I needed a copy of it, I can go get it there. But >> do people go to you when they are putting in propane or do they just go to the fire department?
>> No. Pro the propane tanks are pretty much squarely on the fire department. >> Okay. >> Uh the plumbing inspector in my department, he regulates the piping to and from, but they tell you where it's to be placed, how it's to be um locked
down or >> I'm just asking because it occurred to me we've never had an application come through us for I mean like you said either accessory structure or a propane tank sighting or anything like that. I
was just curious when I when I was looking at it myself. >> We never seen those have never seen them at all. >> Yeah. >> And that's that's why I asked uh Kathy who's worked in my office much longer than I have. >> Um and she's like no we we've never done
anything like that. I said makes sense. I said most most towns don't but >> yeah I looked I do here and there math pro propane uh regs and >> several area towns southeastern mass have specific regulations they probably
all follow >> I was going to say I bet they mirror FBA >> in fact I kept seeing that referenced in the paragraph that I would get back from >> if if they weren't as explicit in their regulation that would be one thing but >> where zoning can't regulate building
code technically that falls under it in some way, shape or form. >> Interesting. >> It would be tough to make that argument, I think. >> Interesting. Along the same lines, what about whole house generators? Do they go through the building department >> when somebody wants to put one in or a
contractor says, "I've been hired." >> So, typically they would come through just the electrical uh inspector for for hookup. >> But that's part of building commissioner, isn't it? >> Yeah. I mean, he they fall under me. So,
it does come through our office as to whether we decided, okay, we're going to make this an accessory structure now. So, now we want it 10 ft off the property and >> got it. >> We we could hold to that line with them. That's I've seen those more often done that way because obviously if I'm
putting it in my house, I want it as far from my house as I can get it so that I don't hear it. >> So does my neighbor. >> Yeah. Right. Interesting. I just wondered about those things because we've talked about swimming pools in the past too
>> at because those are considered fixed to the ground. Remember we talked about that on a couple occasions when we have plans that come in >> for a whole restructuring of the house or the back deck or something >> and they note where the pool is.
Same question for pools. Are there rule town rules? So with pools, we have a specific space in the ZBA that says you must be I believe it's 10 ft. It falls in with the accessory structures, but >> Okay. >> That one where it is a more permanent >> Yeah. >> fixture,
>> I I believe is more worthy of coming in front of the board. >> And I know I didn't look for that in our bylaws, but I I should I will. >> Thanks. Trying to figure it all out after years and years. I still [laughter] don't still don't know >> so much. >> Anything else uh members to come before
us tonight? else, Mr. Carmichael. >> So, you'll be in touch with the applicant and get us a room and um Okay, thanks. Any if there's nothing else, no other bills or warrants, right? >> Okay. So, nothing else to come before
us. Is there a motion to adjurnn at 7:30? >> I'll make that motion. Second. >> All those in favor of return. >> I I thanks. Thank you.