Yes, >> there it is. Same spot as right. Please stand for the flag salute. Oh, United States of America to the stands one nation with liberty and justice for all.
>> Okay. This is the guess. Uh this is the March 16th meeting of the uh zoning board of adjustment. Secretary, please take attendance and uh read the clients for public meeting.
>> Robin McCree, >> excuse. >> Mark Kio, >> excuse. >> Lorraine Castro >> here. >> Patricia Dyet Wallace. Terresa Duva. John Kafone >> here. >> Greg Tolby >> here. Daniel Tolby, Chair Graziano here,
>> Diana McGovern. Pursuant to requirement of section 13 of the Open Public Meetings Act, notice of this meeting was included on the annual notice of regular meetings for the year 2026. It was advertised in the Nutly Sun with a copy posted on the Township of Nelly Bulletin board, first floor, 1 Kennedy Drive, Tap uh Township of Nelly,
Jersey with a copy sent to the Herald News, Nutly Sun, Star Ledger, and tab into Nutelli.net. A copy is a copy is filed in the office of the township clerk and copies are made available to all persons requesting same. All persons address the zoning board of adjustment regarding community
concerns should approach the microphone and provide their name and address for the record unless further time is granted by the board. Each person should limit their address to three minutes. All remarks to the board and its individual members must be addressed to the chairman. The chairman may first citizen comments to the appropriate member of the board. Dialogue between
citizens and others addressing the board shall be allowed unless the chairman or presiding officer or the majority of the membership of the board shall determine that the interests of the decorum and/or expeditious conduct of the board's business are being adversely affected by such dialogue your address. Just let us know that
you're here and ready. Secretary, please read the letter of the >> regarding the addition of 51 Street. The request for a permit at the above reference request to construct a new addition to the rear of the property as
shown on the property survey prepared by Don Scott Stoddard Inc. dated July 11th, 2025 and planned by architect Lester Cat NCR dated August 21st, 2025 is
disapproved for the following reasons. This property is located in an R-1 district as shown on the Nutton zoning act. Chapter 700 article 8 section 700-46A the schedule of regulations requires the
following NR-1 just zoning rear yard required 30 ft proposed 14T 11 in for a bearings lot coverage 35% required proposed 40% bearings
impervious coverage 70 70% % maximum proposed requires a variance. The plan submitted on the zoning chart appear to be in compliance with the 70% requirement. However, a site inspection of the property was done and there was a
larger patio at the rear of the property. It is also shown on the submitted site plan. A variance will be required for exceeding the maximum impervious covering. Chapter 700, article 11, section 700-67C
of the codes of Dutton states, "No detach sex accessory building shall be located nearer than 10 ft to a main building. >> Thank you." >> Yes. >> Good evening. Thank you.
>> Before you start, will everybody be uh testify this evening? >> It was just my intention for myself to testify. I do have the applicant here if the board would like to hear from her, but I we could swear in just as a formality. I'm the attorney, right? Well, we had called our architect had
surgery. We had asked for him to appear by Zoom. We reached out to Miss Leeold and I believe the the attorney for the board said that it was okay that Yeah. >> I said was clients could explain what the purpose of the u
>> the purpose of the correct Yes, understood. >> That's That was my intention. Yes. Correct. >> You can stand up. >> Yeah. >> You swear the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
>> Uh, I swear. >> Give us your full name, your last name, and give us your address. My name is Araeli Nael, a longtime resident of Natley. >> 51 Kingsland Street in Natley
from >> Yes. >> your name and your address on the record? >> Yes. Dominicella Law 139 Lake View A Clifton, New Jersey. >> Your license is in good standing in the state of New Jersey. >> Yes.
Can I have her take a seat? I'll give her the mic and I can ask her a question. >> Opening statement for sure and then it'll narrow the list. >> Thank you. Good evening. I'm here on behalf of Miss Nael from 51 Kingsland
Street. This is a an application to expand an existing uh single family home. As indicated and read into the record, there are a few variances um that are required. Um there's one existing non-conformity which was the front yard setback and then there's the coverage variance and then also the rear
yard setback variance. Rear being the most significant. Um my client when I asked her some questions will give some more indications as to the purpose for it. But essentially um we're asking for this as hardship variance here. They've been longtime residents of Nutley. They want to be able to stay in the house to
live out their years and they're um essentially being limited by needing to go up to the second floor. So, this addition would allow them to comfortably live in the house by putting bedroom and bathroom on the first floor and allow them to continue to live in the house that they've had since uh 1984 in Nutley.
>> And if I could bring up Miss Nail now, come on up here. >> Can I do that? Yeah. Why don't you pick up some >> All right. Thank you. >> Okay. >> So, can you tell us how how long have you lived in the house? Um, we
transferred to Natley from Belleville in 1984 and we've lived there since 84 up to now. And at least that's 42 or 43 years.
I've raised my family there. And my sister and I are both aging. She's 75. I'm going to be 74. and I have a hard time, we both have a hard time going upstairs
where the bathrooms and the bedrooms are. And we're thinking if we want to be able to stay in Natley and age in Natley, then we need to do some improvements in the house or some
addition so that our living quarters and bathroom facilities are available on the main floor and it's easy for us to navigate one floor only without either going downstairs, downstairs, in the
basement or upstairs where the bedrooms and the bathrooms are currently located. Like like I'm saying, we've lived and we love living in Natalie and would love to
be able to to age in place. So that's why we're asking for consideration so that we can create two bedrooms and bathroom and maybe laundry on the ground level.
>> Um, given given your uh position in life at this point, you wouldn't be able to just buy a bigger house in Nutley. So is that the reason part of the other reason for the renovation? I have a grandkid that's going to school in Natley also and buying and relocating. It's going to
be too much trouble for for us to have to pack up everything and move. My grandson lives with me and two granddaughters. They all went to Natly schools and I
have my youngest grandkid is at um middle school >> and u m in terms of in terms of your ability to go up and down the stairs can you tell the board about any ailments or anything that would
>> I had two um knee replacement surgeries um in 2000 and it relieved my pain. But as I age now and as that surgery has been a long time ago, I'm feeling that my knees are
giving out and I also have arthritis and it's very difficult. I literally have to almost climb the stairs holding on to the banister and the railings because otherwise I cannot just like when I was
younger I can just run up the stairs. I cannot do that now. >> Thank you. >> Your kidney was removed. Oh yeah, my kidney was removed. But it's my legs and my back that's hurting and that's
affecting my ability to leave if I have to keep climbing upstairs. >> All right. Thank you. >> Any other questions? >> I have no more questions for Mr. If the board has any questions for it.
How many bedrooms and bathrooms are on the second floor? >> How many you >> bedrooms? There are three bedrooms on the second floor. One bathroom. >> Five bedrooms, two baths now.
>> Yes, except that the five. Yeah, five. But I there's six of us in the house. >> The patio in the back. Is that going to remain or do you >> No, that's going to be the construction is going to remove that patio and it's
going to be the construction is going to be on that same space. And chair, if I could, are you you're also willing to take down the shed that's in the rear of >> uh the shed is unless it's absolutely necessary. We've been renting space at the storage
facility in front of us or on Kingsland Street. So, we'd really like to keep the shed if you will allow it. >> The backyard, you have like a deck that's covered, right? >> Yes, we have a deck. We're going to
remove the deck and do the construction. >> Then on and then past that, there's also patio. the it's going to go over the patio extend where the deck is correct larger than the deck. Correct. Okay. >> If you go to third then the enclosed deck and the patio combined.
>> Correct. >> There will be patio left >> on third sheet. There's a crosshatch section that shows what the additions going to do. We don't have >> Let me pass over you.
>> Secretary >> gives a better visual mark as A1. Thank you. >> We have the plans are pages AO A and A1. But this is exhibit A1. >> Exhibit A1.
>> Which what is the page number on that? like the architectural number on it. >> I don't see one. >> Okay. Then it won't get confused. >> Is it an expanded view of the >> That's what I think it is. Is it a survey? >> Yeah. >> But there's a crosshatch section on
that. I don't know. >> An expanded view of this living deck and patio. Yeah. >> Yeah. That's just a larger view of what we >> here. Oh, I see. >> So, what's going to be left in the backyard? >> Nothing. Just a shed I guess
theoretically if the board >> is it 14 >> yeah 14 14.1 it's roughly 14 ft what's what's behind the house what's what what's the back of >> um there's another house so it's another
backyard >> is there is there fence there what's >> there there's a shed and a lot of space um before the house uh behind us. Yes.
>> Well, I walked as far as the driveway. I didn't go into your yard cuz there was gate and I was afraid of the dog and nobody was home at the time. Um >> it looks like you have a big shed and then it looks like immediately behind the shed is your ne your very yard
neighbor's garage. >> Do you hear back up to a garage? Um, >> it's a shed. >> It's another shed. >> I don't know where to
not the neighbor already. I don't know about the other >> on the other side of our house on the right hand side of the house is another big uh shed >> in the other neighbor's yard. >> In the in the neighbor to my to my right
is another big shed. You haven't brought >> uh we have a driveway. >> You're pretty steep. >> Yes. >> It's a topography is very steep. There's a lot of front steps to get up to the front of the home.
>> So, >> uh if you're coming from the from the back, from the driveway, you only have three steps to get to the house. If you're coming from the front, there's
>> 14 steps going up to the house. >> Is there a are you are you going to be using the back or the side entrance in the back if this addition is put on there? We we are currently using the back entrance now because from the
driveway we go straight to the back entrance to the kitchen. >> You have doors on both sides of your house as well, correct? >> Yes. Not on both. We have the kitchen door and the basement door.
This the one door on the right side goes down to the basement. >> Yes. >> And the left side has the steps that come into your >> I guess your kitchenation area. >> Not really. >> There's a really secure looking door. If
you're looking at your house on the right side of the house, >> it What is that a door to? That door goes to the basement >> and then the door on the other side >> goes to the kitchen. >> One one goes down to the basement. Oh, when you go down to the basement, are
there stairs in the house to go into the house as well? >> Um, there are there's a couple of steps to go to the kitchen. >> Kitchen? >> Yes. To go to the kitchen? >> No, I'm saying on the side where the basement door is yet. >> Yes. the that that's that door goes to
the basement as well as goes to the kitchen. >> So you get in >> on both sides of your house. There's no back door. There's two side doors. Okay. >> There's a front door. >> Yeah. Yeah. So she got you have a front door
and two side doors. >> Yes. So the area the area where the addition is standing now in your backyard is are you going to have any grass there? >> Um >> behind the house. >> Behind the house.
in the back of the house. We might put in a little garden there after the construction is done. >> 16 ft there. >> 14. I'm sorry. 14. >> So >> 1411.
>> Yeah. No, no, it's 14.1. >> 141. We're looking at the letter of den. Okay. You got that big big >> some landscaping back. There's some grass.
>> That's 14.11 ft. That's 14.1. >> That's what it says to me. >> Surveys usually like the rest of it. This mark is going to be like >> she's got it's not 15. It's 14.
All right. So, in that 14 ft or 15 ft, whatever we decide it is, >> you're going to put a garden. >> Yeah. >> With flowers, vegetables, whatever. The whole thing. >> Uh, maybe not. Maybe a table,
whatever we can fit in there. We normally garden. >> No more paper. >> No more. No more papa. >> Be open grass. Yes. >> The patio that remains after. >> So, any any of the any of the patio is all of the patios coming out? Yes, it's
coming out. >> Yes. What other questions do we have? >> So, actually that's my question about the patio and what's cited in the letter letter about the impervious coverage
because it it doesn't give us a proposed number. >> No. Um, so, um, are we then just looking at the 70%. >> It's not clear. >> Yeah.
>> Um, >> well, you all can make the decision whether you want the shed to be removed so it's pure landscape back there or leave the shed.
review the plans for this 14.11 >> feet in the rear and any ex extra sidewalk or patio is going to be removed as per the condition um that they consented to. Um the code official though will have to
quantify specifically what the impervious coverage is so that in the future for example we know it's more than 70%. But because it wasn't calculated ahead of time he's going to have to do that. put that I would put that in the
resolution that as a condition it must be confirmed what the impervious coverage is um total left on the on the property for the simple reason that in 20 years if somebody else wants to build something back there like a patio or put
in something that um we know what's if there's been any change to the impervious coverage um we we need a baseline we need to quantify And there's no garage on this. >> There's also a mistake on the zoning
analysis. >> It's It says 4,000 ft, but the frontage says 50 by 100. >> Uhhuh. >> Which is wrong. It's 40 by 100, >> right? >> But it's an undersized lot, >> right? >> No, he's got an existing 4,000 ft.
>> Yeah, I know. It shows it as existing 4,000, but he says frontage 50, depth 100, which is Right. Right. >> Global square footage is not the width. >> Yeah, that zoning table should be okay. All right. >> All right.
Do you do you have pavers in front of your shed? >> Um, yes. Right now. >> Are those coming up? >> Um, if you want us to take it out, we'll take it out.
>> The favorites. Yeah. >> Yeah. Don't play for the water, but I'm sure it can be. Yeah. Yeah, that was my understanding. All papers. >> Yeah. No, no additional pavement will be put in the side or rear yards >> where the garbage cans are now.
>> No, we have a little bit of uh >> the garbage cans. We have >> the side. >> They're on the side. Yeah. >> Yeah. But there's no pavers under there. >> No, no pavers. >> You don't want them anywhere. There there was a cement uh thing there before
and then we added papers close to the shed. >> You have the concrete along the side where the gate, you know, go through the gate, you have concrete there. >> Yeah. >> And then where those garbage cans are. It looks like it might be two foot of space. No, no pavers there either. No
concrete. No paper. That that at least could be, >> you know, more water. >> Okay. construct cuz you're I know that >> because you're covering a lot of your property now with with house >> with the proposed construction. Yes. >> Five bedroom house on a 40 foot wide properties kind of kind of things.
>> Uh the front yard. Yeah. What's what's happening in the front? Anything? >> We're not doing anything on the on the front. >> Lot of debris. I see here bricks, concrete bricks and stuff like that. We can get that cleaned up. >> We can we can clean it up. We can get
the contractor to clean it up. >> Yeah. So now you're when you do this addition, >> are you doing all of the siding on the entire house or just on the addition? >> Um are we doing what? I >> the siding the >> Oh, no. We We're just doing um the
addition. >> What kind of siding is on your house now? >> Um I'm I'm not too sure. It's an aluminum siding. I I think >> the color. >> Yes, definitely. We want it to be the
same as the old as the current house. >> We just I just did the roofing um in December last year. So I would I would match it. >> You would match the existing >> this is going to be a condition and I
want to explain something to you. The condition is is that the siding on the addition and the roofing must match what you have existing. If it does not match the code the code department will make you reside the entire house. Oh yes, re-root the entire
>> I understand that. Yes. >> Any other questions? Anyone in the audience wish to be heard? >> Seeing none, I'll ask for a motion. >> Do you want the conditions read out loud? Just to refresh everybody. We'll remove the patio and all pavers um that
may remain after the addition is construction constructed the 14.11 setback all landscaping with the exception of the shed that remains. The exact calculation of impervious coverage must be calculated
and supplied to the code department. No additional impervious coverage papers etc may be added at any point in time after must clean up the front yard of all debris and all roofing and sighting must match existing.
>> One other thing I just saw leaders and gutters for the new addition. Will that water be directed to the street? leaders and the daughters that are down now on your house. All right, they go out to the front and I guess they go down the hill into the street. Now
you're adding this big addition on the back. How are we going to get that water? >> Since you have very very little land in the back, >> we need to get that water to the front to the street. >> Yeah, we can we can >> So we're gonna have to do some piping or whatever it takes. >> Yeah. >> To get that water directed out to the street. >> We can do we could have do it on pipe
out to the street. Yeah. So it doesn't affect your neighbors. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Laboratory. That's a good guess. That's another good call. Okay. All right. Can I have a motion, please? >> Yeah. Thank
>> Mr. Chairman. With regard to 51 Kingsley Street, block 601, lot 18, I would like to make a motion to grant the variance to allow the homeowner to construct a new addition to the rear of the property as shown in the property survey discussed this evening. Uh the exist it's an existing single family home. The
homeowner is looking to add a first floor bedroom and first floor bathroom and two bedrooms. The slot is awkwardly shaped and it's on a slotted slope as well. all conditions that were stated by our council and reason.
>> Second. >> Second. >> Secretary, please call the board. >> Yes. >> And Ross, >> yes. >> Theresa Duva, >> yes. >> John Kafone, >> yes. >> Greg Tolby,
>> yes. >> Daniel Tolley, >> yes. >> Chairman Graciano, >> yes. Good luck. Good luck. >> Thank you so much. I need this.
All right. Uh, >> next we have 28 place. Secretary of the Island >> regarding regarding the elevator edition 28 main place block 1702
north here. Your request for a permit at the above reference address to construct a two and a half story addition to the front of the existing dwelling for the use of an elevator as shown on the plans by Mark Roselli architect dated January 9th 2026
is disapproved for the following reasons. This property is located in an R-1 district as shown on the Nutley zoning act. Chapter 700, article 7, section 700-46A of the codes of Nutley states the
schedule of regulations requires the following in the R-1 zoning district. Front yard required is 25 ft. Proposed is 12t 4 in. Will you both be testifying this evening? Yes. Okay. Raise your right
hand, please. You swear the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. >> Yes. We need you to both your full name, spell your last name, and >> Sure. Mark Rosselli, R O S E L L I. I reside at 33 Cedar Lake West in
Danville, New Jersey. >> Dana Collins, C O L L I N. I'm here on behalf of my mother, Carol Baron, who was the owner of the residence. Um, >> um, so
yes. >> Oh, sure. Sure. Um, I, uh, graduated, uh, from NJIT in 1994. I'm licensed in New Jersey and, um, my license is in good standing.
>> Yes. Um Dana's mom, my client, uh obviously isn't here this evening. She's feeling under the weather and that's sort of the reason why we're here tonight. Um she suffers from arthritis uh that's
worsened over the last couple years. Um and we're here um to provide a solution for her. And um like the other um applicant, we did look at adding um an
addition on the sideyard uh a first floor edition for a master suite to make things a little bit more accessible. Um but realized that quickly too many variances were required. It would affect the house uh in too grand of a way. So
um this approach now is to give accessibility to the house uh through an elevator. And so, um, the current house is a two-story colonial. Uh, so the bedrooms are upstairs, her master suite, her office is upstairs, and she's having
difficulty, uh, going up and down the stairs. So, this was a good solution. It has minimal impact on the house, the aesthetics, the neighborhood. Um, unfortunately or fortunately, it's a beautiful property. It's, uh, on the
corner of May and Memorial. Uh but it is a corner lot so and it's a little undersized so there's some challenges already with the limitations. Um the ideal location for the addition is on the secondary sideyard which uh is on
Memorial Drive. Memorial Drive is um as you probably know uh a dormant road. Not many cars are driving through. It's not a through street. uh there's really I believe only one house uh adjacent uh so
that street is really uh to access that property and um and for Carol's driveway so uh you know it's not it's not heavily used and if it ever does get paved through I don't think there are any other houses there there may be one more
home on the other side of that landscaped area but very little traffic um would be you know going through that uh that street. So again um it's a
secondary front yard um and and currently the existing house is non-conforming in that sideyard or secondary front yard. Uh the current house is 19'2 in from the property line
and this proposed addition will obviously um reduce that. Uh and that new dimension is 12'4 from that property line. Uh it's a small tight addition. It basically just houses the hoistway cab
and some circulation space. So this provides a a great solution in our opinion to to give her access from grade to the first floor and to the second floor. Um and again feeling like it has
very little impact on the neighborhood. It it fits within the aesthetics of the house. Uh we're matching all the u the finishes uh the siding and the roof line and all that. So, uh, currently and the proposed also, um,
the coverages are all much lower than the, um, the maximum percentages. So, really the only thing we're asking for is this, uh, is relief from the front yard set back on the secondary front yard.
>> So, so this will be a two and a half story uh, elevator, >> correct? >> Two floors. two floors but uh at grade uh at the driveway grade which is basement level. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> It'll be 84 in a couple of months. >> No, >> she needs this for purposes of being >> Her whole goal has always been I just want to stay at my house. I don't want to ever go to a nursing home or anything like that. So this really is the best solution.
>> Question. I'm just looking at the grade so I have a clear understanding what you're going to do. You're going to take the grade down or the elevator is the driveway level, right? >> That's correct. Yes. >> So I'm saying so the driveway into the elevator is going to be flat. It's not going to be graded like if it's exist.
>> Correct. Yeah. So there's some excavation. And there's going to be a small retaining wall on that, you know, to create that uh access but at driveway level. So that, you know, that provides her with the flexibility of entering that the
vestibule from grade. No ramps required. So works pretty well. >> And the uh siding will match. >> Siding will match the roof lines. Uh It's hardly anybody. I mean, it's not a
through street. Even the neighbor I not to correct you, but the neighbor who lives next door, he doesn't go down that little dead end. He goes to the other whole history. So nobody goes down the street. >> Not really a question. Just um >> yeah.
>> Um for uh Mr. Roselli. Um, >> looking at your proposed front elevation on the wave base, not not um obviously this is just an aesthetic
question which has no >> no no uh impact on whether or not the variance could be uh granted, right? But just um with the addition for the access space
into the elevator, >> had you considered windows on the front facade uh to um essentially match what's going on in front of the house? >> We did talk about that. Um
so at the the uh memorial place um elevation we have windows and and we did have a scheme where there was uh windows on that other elevation. So that is a possibility. Um we just felt like maybe it was you know too much. We we were
thinking we may even reuse the existing windows just to keep you know the aesthetics to be authentic. Um so we would have to you know incorporate new windows at that point. But it's still a possibility. >> Suggest the colonial character of the front facade.
>> Yes. Good suggestion. Yes. >> All right. Anyone else? >> The audience ready. So, can I please have a motion? >> Mr. Chairman to 28 Bay Place 172.
I would like to make a motion to allow a homeowner construct two and a half story distance to the front of the existing dwelling for the use of an elevator as shown on the plans presented. This lot is on a corner and it's an existing non-conforming secondary front yard. The homeowner is looking to put an elevator
in to allow easier access to the second floor. All signing and roof will match and the design complements the other houses in the neighborhood. for these reasons and any other are set forth by council. >> Second. >> Secretary, please pull the board.
>> Dy, >> yes. >> Wallace. >> Terresa Duba. >> John Capone. >> Yes. >> Greg Tolby. >> Yes. >> Daniel Tolby. Trema Graciano. >> Do you want your drawings back at all? Who wants to sell her more?
>> What do we got here? >> Soon as y'all sign up, I'll keep it this time. I just felt like it was I couldn't hear him in the red shrinking viol
comment from the >> public because there's no public. >> Well, we got to go. >> So, well, we have tonight we have one bill to approve. That would be Mr. Maren Zenino's bill for the amount of $150 would be board secretary.
>> So move all >> um and the minutes which were sent to everybody uh from February 9th which were very short. Isn't that nice? >> If everybody's been provided with a copy, are there any additions, corrections, or deletions? If not, can
we have a motion approving? >> So moved. Second in >> favor. And that's it for me. >> Nothing else. >> We have to sign that last paper. >> Yeah, we got to sign that paper yet. >> Motion to adjurnn, I guess. Huh?
>> Sign a paper yet? Yeah. >> Hold on. Here. >> Did you sign this? >> We're all We're all >> I really It's really I >> Are you going to talk to the board about where we're going to do our next meeting? >> Oh, yeah. Um, >> we want to take a vote. >> I have one more question. We're thinking
about voting on whether we should be zooming instead of coming here >> while the commissioner's chambers are under. >> Yeah. We don't know how do we know how long that's going to be? Do they have a schedule? >> Six to nine months. >> The Empire State Building was built in
nine months. Um but that was months as >> the problem is >> is there a problem coming here? This is pretty nice. >> People can't get upstairs. >> The pe the applicants. Did you see two different elderly people who couldn't
get up the steps with ease? >> I think about some of our architects that appear here regularly. One in particular, >> we can move the meeting downstairs off of the >> They don't want to do that. >> Well, because they have to move all the equipment.
>> So, um, they want to set it up and leave it for six months to a year. >> I hate Zoom, too, but I that's the only way to do it. I mean the other option is we can ask that we be allowed to go across the street to the um municipal
court which is set up for a sound system already >> to the Elks >> to the Elks. No, we're having >> Commissioners are having their meetings here. >> Commissioners are having their meetings. >> Same problem, don't they? >> It's You know what it is? If they said
that we could set up a uh if someone was here that that couldn't make it up the stairs, Sal was going to have to set up a television down here for >> which is I have that going right now >> in case somebody came in. So >> So that's what we're doing. Now now the question is whether that's >> well >> considered due process.
>> This in another town and what you have to do is to make sure that if someone is allowed to participate via Zoom, they have to be on camera at all times. um for you all to see. >> So, >> this is kind of a problem because it's
behind us. So, but um if more than one has a problem, say >> I guess it's one at a time, they go in front of the camera down there. It's >> they turn around. >> The other thing too, what if somebody from the public comes and they can't,
>> right? So, so if you have an applicant and then you've got an applicant or if you got somebody who's objecting to it, >> understand like the planning board and the commissioners have the same issue. >> Why are we why are we >> Well, the commissioners are not ruling
on um things as if that could be appealed to the superior court. >> The planning board is and I don't know what their feeling is on it if they had any objection because I didn't get to talk to Barrett about it. I didn't know this room at all existed and I didn't know there was no elevator
>> meeting had their first meeting after the commissioners. They've only gone through one cycle. >> It's just funny, not funny, haha funny, but it's just ironic that tonight the two applications we had dealt with
elderly people who wanted um additions to >> make their life easier >> to help them because they have mobility issues. But S said we he could set or will set up a TV downstairs and we could do Zoom. I don't know. I >> thought you might need to set up more monitors for us to
when we did the other Zoom meetings, I hated them. I didn't care for >> I hated they drag on >> I I'm going to say this as an attorney representing applicants and things. I would like it to be in person because I like to be able to see a board and see their faces and see what's what's But if I'm representing a client, I'm not
leaving I can't leave them downstairs and me be upstairs and do a presentation. >> Well, why can't they be downstairs with their client? >> Well, they could be, but then I'm losing the effect of having >> my presence in front of you all. Not that I'm like wonderful, but an attorney makes a better impression.
>> What cases are we talking about? Like like >> if we're talking a whole year, >> Mhm. We're talking you we last month was the first month we have had no applications in well >> in as long as I've been working
there is no this building to get up here >> there is not >> there's no chair lift you know how they put those chair lifts on stairs they stairways too narrow and I don't think they >> they're not going to do that just for this >> monitor downstairs is probably a
violation >> it'll be nine months >> yeah I've about that. I'm They don't feel like they're getting a fair >> concerned that if you had people who are objecting to something up here and you have somebody who can't make it up the stairs down there,
>> I feel like they're at a disadvantage. >> Can we ask to see if possibly we could move into the municipal court on Monday if there's no court? >> Tomorrow, tomorrow I have a meeting with the mayor and the other attorneys in town. So, I'm going to bring it up. Yeah. So the question is board members, you would prefer to be in in person is
is what I'm hearing. >> I would >> and you would if we could have it at the courtroom at the >> um what about the rooms downstairs? >> We said >> no no it's about wiring that they're set up here and set up in the court.
>> They want to leave this here. >> I mean did they ever those rooms aren't big enough I guess for all the meetings down there? I I think for purposes of all of the meetings that this is >> I see >> the size that they need.
>> I guess I don't know how many people come to the commissioner meetings. I think some days there's a lot if there's a big >> problem that people think. >> I don't think anybody ever goes >> except for Paka does. >> What? >> Yes.
>> I think we should table this until we find out what >> she's gonna talk. problem. >> You can't say, "Okay, next meeting, next time we'll go to Zoom." If somebody who didn't make it onto this agenda has already been told they're doing it in April and they're early birds and they
already sent their notices in to the newspaper and spent money. >> Was that the case? >> I don't know. I don't know. We'll find out. >> And if it is the case, would they have noticed they would have noticed for here? >> Right. Right. So, if it's already been noticed for here, we're stuck here. And I know that the clerk put in a in new
paper in the paper that for the foreseeable future all of the zoning board meetings were going to be here. >> So if we're switching a location, she's going to have to do another notice to the news, you know, the public notice that the meeting location is closed is changed. So for now, we're here. I will
bring up our concerns to the mayor and um municipal attorney. I will talk with the planning board attorney at the meeting tomorrow too to see whether it was just a workshop so it was just the board members. >> I think this Wednesday they just have a workshop as well.
>> Okay. So if they don't have any actual witnesses coming it might not have occurred to them that this could potentially be a problem. Again this was just kind of ironic that the two applications we had were for uh individuals looking to have adjustments to their home to allow but because they
have mobility issues. I kind of my knee hurts right now. >> Okay. >> But this is okay. >> So, okay. So, the answer is I'll bring it up and and is the preference of the board the municipal court if we can do it.
>> Yeah. I'd rather still be in person. So if in person what >> in person all we can think of is in municipal court unless they can think of >> we have a situation >> we tell we had the situation but >> what about the senior building
>> that's why senior building by your like over on your town >> you will know >> well how will there now >> I don't know I'll ask >> they have things there like Zumba and yoga and Well, maybe a Zumba class
Milton Milton and Bullfield. >> Yeah, that's the old assembly. >> Zumba class. >> Well, they might have they might have some activities going on there. >> I think they do because one of the assistants in my office like as she's leaving is like Zumba tonight. Like,
where are you doing that? Denali and that's where it is. So, >> I don't want to know they have with anybody in that meeting either. >> Okay. Can I have my signed sheet back to >> All done? >> I have nothing else. >> Motion to adjurnn. >> Second. All in favor?