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following notes. >> Okay. Uh we have got some meetings uh minutes recently. Do we have a chance to review them? We have any discussion move. All >> in favor? I have one bill for approval this evening.
It's sad to hear for her attendance at preparation of the meeting for February 46 by the amount of $150. Motion >> second. All in favor? Thank you.
Okay, we have no more utilizations. Uh we do have to swear in town. We can do that later. Okay. Um before we start the joint meeting um I think we should start by introducing ourselves to the group. Start over there please.
Board of Education President Superintendent Schools >> Board of Education Trustee Steve Board of Trustee Board of Trustee Board of Trustee Board of Trustee on
zoning board zoning board. John Kafone zoning board. Uh Daniel zoning board >> zoning board chairman boarding board chairman of the planning board.
Anthony Malano, planning board member. >> Patty Rampaches, planning board member. Terry, planning board member. Frank, planning board member. >> Walter Fred, planning, planning board member,
planning board, Billy, planning board member, commissioner of public works, public finance commissioner. John Kelly, uh, commissioner of the Department of Public Health Affairs and Health, Mayor Planning.
>> Thank you. And by the way, welcome back and thank you for your service, man. >> Thank you. I'll turn it over to Mr. Graiano. Thank you, mayors, commissioners, members of the planning board, and with the board of education. Before we begin with the zoning board would also like to
thank Mayor Kelly and thank you again for your service. Thank you. In 2025, zoning board reviewed 33 cases which is down from 44 cases in 2024 and 55 cases in 2023. Of the 33 cases 3 were granted with the
overwhelming majority of those granted 23 condition. There was one case tonight the board member the board members worked to make sure that every application was fairly and thoroughly reviewed. Over the last several years we have supported certain trends and the range of review. We
understand that Dave Barry and Paul Ricky have been working on revisions for some of the ordinances as to implement some of our concerns. We are interested to hear what progress you have made with the following. Drainage concerns continue to be an
issue with all new construction and we are seeing come up with branches for driveway widings and other applications where impervious coverage is sighted. We know that one or two family homes are not subject to sight review. But we also know that some additions can cause drain
conditions and perhaps some study that the drainage requirements from all new additions could be reviewed such as requiring storms storm water retention systems if an addition creates a certain percentage of inter regardless of whether the addition would be within the
allowed control. With respect to apartments and mixed use buildings, the requirements regarding space for garbage and recycling areas appear to be insufficient for the president and growing needs for recycling and refuge generated by the average person. Additionally, we note
that the mandatory garbage panels may be larger than what may have been used before. The view of the space requirements for refuge areas for those who do not use a private holder may be particularly relevant. Again with respect to apartments and mixed use buildings, we know that more and more
people are shopping online through deliveries or increasing. We would recommend that some requirement for delivery clingy loading and unloading be required. We would also add that mandatory designated visitor spaces should be considered.
The code definitions of warehouse and truck parles are still an issue and we understand that you are working on. We recommend that a review of those definitions along with the new areas. We had an application for Delta commercial vehicles two years ago but was withdrawn before any decision could
be made. And while we did not have applications on the subject pass through next year, we would recommend that definition also be reviewed. Storm watering. We would like guidance as to when various storm systems designed for 100ear storms or a 25ear storm should
have. We are not sure if it should be a standard across more development or even how it can be implemented. But we have noticed that there are various approaches to drainage and we would like a system put in place so we don't miss something in a minor site plan application. Our ordinance should have strict storm water management
requirements at least ensuring a 25ear storm. This should be written into the ordinance because we did have one engineer point out this year that our ordinance does not require them. This year we came across a two issues. We also recommend renewed cabin door
conditioner planning. We recommend that a design limitation be placed on one family houses preventing them from having two front doors. We had an application where the applicant sought to do internal renovations for each house to create separate living space for the elderly
parents. The applicant withdrew the application when it became clear that the board was not going to grant a use variance for a two family in a one family zone. The person then submitted renovation plans that kept walls open, but was clear that it could easily be changed over to a two family on the
inside and no longer notice except at the edited front door. This would be an objective way to keep one family homes as a more friendly use and steep slope restrictions. There are a number of streets and projects such as Preston Avenue Lake Side Drive on East Side,
Woon Street, St. mayor's place, Fats Avenue, Margaret, list goes on, they have very steep topography and the code is sung as to specific requirements for such steep slopes. We recently heard a case for a new residential home that was on a very steep slope and we had the condition that the applicant had to work
with township engineer as to any specialized draining protections for the properties downhill. It may sound sleep or provide and consent for installing a rear privacy fence in a residential zone. We had an application where the applicant's
rear yard straddled two backyards. One rear yard neighbor consented and the other didn't. I'm going to defer to John Capone to speak about other problems with this provision of the code. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. um been employed for the past 23 years at the
artistic fence here near here near here near here near here near here near here near here near here near here near here nearby New Jersey and I'm quite familiar with our town code regarding the fence and I'm also quite familiar with many of the other surrounding areas. Our town is the only town that I know of in North
Jersey that requires a neighbor to sign off on a uh permit if you want to put up a fully private fence. I had one particular incident where I was dealing with a potential customer and I was explaining what the fence code
was and they said that they would need time to speak with the neighbor to get the neighbor to sign off on the uh full privacy fence. When I returned to to uh pick up the paperwork, this person told me that the neighbor next door, the
owner of the house did not live there and that there were renters in the house. and that by the time they got to actually meet with the owner, the owner suggested that the applicant would pay him $500 and he would gladly sign up on
full privacy fence. >> Um I I think I think this type of thing needs to be addressed. Uh and and another not too distant uh past, we had a a application in front of us where the
neighbor didn't particularly like the style fence that the person wanted to put up and refused to sign the uh sign off on the full privacy and they were explained, you know, that we're talking
about full privacy, not about Scott who meets the side. She didn't like the idea of full privacy and she was using the style as an example. Um, I don't know of another town in North Jersey that has this type of requirement and I think
will probably be in the best interest of our residents if we address any questions that you may have about the matters that were by the sheriff report provided to you. You can email.
>> Thank you, Mr. Graiano. Uh, I took some notes while you were talking. I will tell you there was some items on that report that similar from last year's report uh that because of the busy docket that the uh planning board had with a lot of major projects here uh the
amount of our workshops was curtailed significantly. Um I would like to ask you if you can just talk about that problem. So that way somebody wants to do some work
down the street. It comes up on almost every every water out of the neighbor's yard, right? You have to the amount of steep slope becomes an even bigger problem. And with all the drainage issues that are going on right now, we think it might be a
good time to look at it and see if there are come up with an ordinance. >> The maring var was able to put that condition on. If it was somebody who built the house as
bright, you don't have a site plan. As long as they fit the code requirements, even if it's on a steep slope, there's no I don't know that there's anything you can >> one of the conditions was larger too. I
remember >> I mean we're very lucky members of this board are very knowledgeable. A lot of them have some expertise in these things. But I think that if you're just a person building a home, you need to have on record, oh, I have to do this and know what expenses are involved.
It's not it's not just the house, inground pools, exterior projects, um, in rare yard that where it comes more into effect with that. How often you get a new house constructed or a big addition. It happens a lot with the inground pools and all the hard shape
jobs are really really and grading. Um it's it's a big issue with more so with that grading than a new construction house. We don't have that many new construction houses that go up in the town. We have a lot of rear yard projects that happened. >> Well, I I think that it was it was
brought to light really because of the slope. They were describing a death where they needed >> but but to your example, >> but you gave a good example that application came to the zoning board. The best example you gave was that came to the zoning board. So the zoning board
was able to analyze the plans and the the zoning board seen the required plans from the engineer. I deal with applications that don't have to come to you and don't have to get an engineering plan and don't have to get to that degree. So that's where the real struggle is because then I have to work
with our engineering department on these issues and we really don't have a lot of guidance on those kind of property because at the end of the day people want to make their backyards level and one backyard's higher than another and there's just not a specification on how
to handle that engineering and slope wise and drainage wise. It all kinds of ties together. steep slope is like a fancy word, but it all ties together to graing and draining and um that's how it really ties in. >> So, it's really it's an engineering
issue. You have to we have to come up with a way to to to control the storm water in a house that could drastically impact its neighbor if it's if it's a sleep. I think a lot of smaller towns tie it into a an engineering um a
drainage and a a grading plan. A lot of towns tie it in. They don't have separate one for drywall, one for drainage, one for if they tie it into if you're doing a certain project at the rear and it's over a certain amount of square footage. You have to go to the engineering department and through the
that they have a set guidelines and there's some sort of like review that the township engineer would do. you would provide a plan. >> Do you know if there's any other uh townships that have similar issues that they've addressed? >> Sal s and I are getting our feet wet
recently with with this subject because >> yeah a lot of this all comes our way. So I mean that was tremendous and so we're just starting to like learn a couple other towns that have similar ones because obviously look these what
we're talking about is expensive, right? these some some of these plans are you can spend $10,000 for an engineering plan. So, you want to kind of be able to set a guideline, but you don't want to make it too too restrictive where somebody's like, "Well, I'm not going to make my built-in
pool because the town wants me to put in a extensive distance, you know, and I hear that sometimes." So >> he's suggesting that it's drowning anymore right there. I mean this is something
Dave and I that along with our engineers like Lindy from Ben we something we've been discussing for at least a good part of the you know the last year is how do we address these situations where you have somebody that is doing some type of
fishing and taking away you know area property one of the things we're looking at looking to find like create some type of a uh you know I'm going to call it a cheat sheet that says, you know, if you take away x number of square footage,
here's the here are the options that we could choose from. You can choose from a drive, you can choose from, you know, all of these type of systems that are available that, you know, they're not cheaper. They're not super expensive, right? And it's not something that they would have to go out and engineer for
because you're building a 200 or 300 foot patoot edition. So those are kind of the things we're looking at to see how we make it so that the homeowners don't have to go hire an engineer and spend thousands of dollars. It's something that you know
they can follow those guidance. So we're looking to put that together because you also want to protect the neighbors as well. >> Yeah. I mean there's um like for instance I know that there's there's one that I saw on this approved for 913 St. Mary's and I think the only one approved
that application. Um they have a drywall that they that they putting on site um that their engineer calculated and it's going to take all the stone in front of going to store. I think it's going to be a 3in story. Um so for that type of
property I think that's that's the one in the corner center >> that the corner center. >> Yes. >> Yeah. Was a lot house. It's a tight lot and there's very little.
So that there site retention and some of the water will get back into the ground. But you know when they do that there's the ability to do an overflow that then goes to to the street because we are maintaining some water on
site. Um you know so those are the things we're looking at. Uh, one of the other things is as part of our storm license for the township, part one of the requirements is we had to do our first phase of our borders plant. And so that borders plan looked at the entire
township and basically evaluated all of the drainage and where they where they go to which part of the river they go to. Um, it's in draft form we submitted to DP and review. But if you take the taxi which is about three and a half
square miles um and taking into account the buildings the sidewalks the parking lot um we are at 60 100% impies. >> Wow. >> That is the entire township. >> Wow. >> And that doesn't that doesn't take into
account the homes right because there's no way to know exactly you know how much the homes are. But if you take the the ordinance that says that you you can what is it they have 70% right 30% >> in R1's own
>> yeah R1's home you can see we're we're getting close to that so as you get these bigger homes it's bigger develop very important to be able to handle that and we do have you know the ordinance does address major development but it
doesn't address minor development I think that's what we're working on this Dr. penonius is to develop some type of you know requirement so that when you have a minor development you choose one or two family home after the storm weather address you said the hometown is
61% but it doesn't count that single family >> I mean that >> but it doesn't count to single family homes so it's really higher than that >> it's a whole township so when you look at the whole township and you calculate how many you know thousands thousands of
papers down has 61% of in you calculate the roads. We have 90 90 miles of roads, right? Each road is 30 30 ft when you attack in the sidewalks and then you attack other public places like you know
municipal parking lots and school parking lots. That number adds up. It's something we should look at because we have obviously we have drainage issues and flooding issues. And the other the other issue is it's not just
you know we can control we can right but we can't control what does rich does everybody that follows the third all the way up to the mountain >> s will you uh tell them the committee
you're on with Benia's committee Yeah. So that was uh one of the things that uh the commissioner Scarelli had years ago had reached out after Ida reached out to um Mayia and wanted to form some type of a
a regional kind of coalition and um now has put that together. So there is a a group of municipalities not government everybody up that um is looking at that at a regional level. What what can we
do? Not just, you know, town by town, but what can we do against one whole region back use the same river to discharge the strong? >> How far up the How far up the river will the region go?
We go to Montlair. How far is >> it? So you look at all the developments that every municipality is doing, right? All of the storm water goes into the third river which ultimately discharges over here.
>> We're at the bottom of the hill. We're at the bottom. I mean, it goes into cliff a little bit over by the Casio, but it's there's not much much there. And the other issue is that the third river is tight. So depending on the time of the storm, it could be high tide. So
all of that obviously hydra backed up and those issues. That' be interesting to see what that regional committee comes up with. That's your expertise. I mean, we know what they will do, but it's good that they're trying at least. Um, I want to
talk to Johnny Capone. What you said something about if you want to put a rear fence, you have to get your re your neighbor to sign off on it. That's our ordinance. >> If you want to put up a full privacy fence, you have to have your neighbor sign off on
>> In the rear yard house. So in your rear yard, if you want to put up a 6ft solid fence, any of the properties from the adjacent owners have to sign a consent form. >> If it's a sixoot privacy, full property >> just for just if the consent is only for
solid, it's not for the height. It's only for solid. >> What about the sides? >> Six foot is the max. >> No, I'm saying about side >> 4 foot 50% open. No consent for that in between the houses. And that's so for somebody who wants to
do that in their backyard to get the permit, they need signatures from your rear name. >> Yeah. >> And that's in our ordinance. >> Yes. That's historic. It's been like that forever. >> But John, you said I know you've been forever. You've never heard that. Any other town?
>> I I don't know one other town that has that requirement. >> I know I don't agree or disagree. I will tell you on my side it's a you know whenever there's a neighbor dispute and I obviously am not allowed to get involved in neighbor disputes right but
I do and we always talk them into privacy hey why don't you do this and you know put some privacy fence up oh I'm not signing that for them you know so it really it happens in a lot of neighbor disputes where um they won't sign that
and we send it for a var >> was in the condition of the if that was in the ordinance as a condition of getting a permit. We would you would have to get involved with that. >> Well, no, it would No, there was would not be >> that's just a township position that the town took many many moons ago, >> right? I'm sure Pat came up with it one
day. Yeah. When when when Dixon was president uh Mr. Bruno, how hard would it be to remove that from the >> It could certainly be done. >> I don't think it needs to be removed.
But there is a a a positive thing about that that gives you an opportunity to not allow someone to just slap up that fence un unknown to the nature. I think it should be, you know, brought to the attention, but
there it needs to be locked, not completely. >> Yeah. But then you get into an issue. You either have to make the decision. Are we gonna allow somebody to have a solid fence with consent or without consent or we're not because you don't want to be I need your permission. You
know, I'm going to let you know. Then you go down a road that you probably don't want. You would just simply amend this. We have this ongoing ordinance that is really close to get to the commissioners and we just amend the section that says about the consent.
It's one sentence. >> No, no, it's not allowing the consent. It's gonna allow a solid fence. >> Allow solid fences. >> That's gonna allow solid fences. >> Don't allow >> Yeah, but you're suggesting that you don't allow >> No, no. What I'm saying is >> What I'm saying is give the give the
owner the right to put it up without consent. >> Correct. I I I understand. >> Just taking the consent taking the consent. Don't allow solid pencils. >> That's I'm not going there. You could you could debate that. All I'm saying is the consent thing is a real
difficult >> neighbor issue >> longer than any other application. >> Well, there's still long a lot of parts of the fences that are really solid. The front yard fencing in Nutley is a great code. The 4ft fence thing in Nutley is a
great code. The six-foot consent thing definitely needs some work. Um, those are solid. Our town has a nice ordinance on that. >> Okay. Does it apply only to a six foot tall rear yard solid fence? >> It's only Yeah. rear yard. Six foot solid
>> about a 5 foot >> solid. You can't It's just It's >> doesn't matter how high it is. >> It doesn't matter how high it is, >> but it can't be higher than six foot. >> Can't be higher than six foot. >> So for 4 foot high solid fence, you would still need your neighbors >> solid. Yeah. >> Solid.
50% with no consent. 50% open. But I'm going to let you know, everybody signs these. Everybody. They're all over our township. Solid fences are so popular.
>> It's the consent is the issue. That's the problem. Most of the time it's neighbor just feels stupid. >> It's okay. So it's the ownus is on the neighbor saying they're allowed to >> Yeah. I mean
>> most all neighbors all neighbors silence. You get a few a year and it often happens when there's neighbor disputes. >> Do they? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> So I mean what do you think is the percentage of rear neighbors that won't
sign if you have 100 applications? 10%. >> Nah, >> yeah, without a doubt. Yeah, people sign. We have some Look at our town. We have solid fences. All >> of them. >> One or two of you. >> And if you don't like the look of the fence, put some shrubs up.
>> Yes, sir. Probably won't solve it. >> Um, anybody else got anything to say about it? Okay, I'll make sure we work on that for one of our next workshops.
I'm actually going to go different. >> So on in the backyard, you also have you can put up five lattice up top, but you can't do six foot side in the back without >> in the in the sideyard where in between dwellings. No, that would sign
>> in the rear rear property. You could only have a solid fence. It can't exceed six feet and your neighbor has to sign whether it's five foot and one foot. Your neighbor would still have to sign >> on the back >> on the side. >> The rear yard. Yeah. Oh, they don't have
You're talking about if you have a rear yard, there's three lines. Once it's in the rear yard, the rear yard, all the same code applies. If it's on the left side or the right side or the rear side, the neighbor still has to sign. U you brought up something about front door
right now. We don't have we don't have a decision. >> Yes, we have an order that we don't we allow two front doors if you want. Correct. >> Silent. >> It's nothing. >> There's not a door code in the in the anywhere in the in the
>> right right exact making these. I'm trying to make it fit as much as I can because we hopefully we'll have a little more time to do workshops here and we'll come up with a couple of uh a couple of stuff we've already put on we already put on his back. These things are very important for spotting issues
that we don't normally see. And so this front door issue, for example, I never heard of this being an issue before, but obviously when people want to get around what you have in your code for dwellings, they come up with creative ways of doing it. And so the second door
became, I guess, suspected way around it and just stopped. So we have to take a look at such things and try to cycle things up and prohibition because if you're permitted people will do almost everything and then
just a couple other things you brought up. We talked about uh requiring uh delivery uh parking meant the bigger issues that are bigger applications that we had this year like uh house pool and uh choline there is there is
requirements for practically and visitor parking as well. Uh and as far as uh definitions we have a whole lot of definitions. Well, that's because that gets written into the redevelopment plan and they probably I think >> redevelopment.
>> Yeah, the redevelopment code called for more, you know, parking spaces, bigger parking spaces. >> You have the the document you were working with all the red. >> Yes. Yes. >> Well, maybe we'll add that. Maybe we'll um we also talked about last year a site
plan checklist. Did that ever happen? >> I didn't work on that. Okay. Anybody else have any questions, observations, any uh issues? Anybody from the board of education? By the way, thank you all for coming. I know you
have a long drive here, Danny. Anybody any board commissioners? >> Yes, sir. >> That's what I'm doing. I question. You look at the B2s and you look at the fact that we've been
waiting a long time for the warehouse ordinance and revisions so that we don't face another issue like bad things uh that yet to come before the board. One I ask that whatever's going on with the warehouses gets expedited and gets on
the board quickly. We're in a window now when there aren't any applications pending. >> Wait. >> Second is if you look for example in the Hawings property property um those
properties you don't look at them but they're uh one and 3/4 and 1.8 acres each. Uh B2 allows garden apartments. Right. So property probably six homes still.
>> Yeah. >> Town homes and garden apartments in that town. >> Permitted use >> zones have to be looked at. You know we wait for the next evaluation master
plan. There's an urgency associated with this. Biola brothers Anchorage both sides of the street on Washington right which is available that will be
available today. >> What's B4 >> B4 is for now wouldn't allow a mixed use residential commercial. We're going to look at and those are just examples. There's areas in town
that uh we've looked at about the B3 with the B3A which is a retail district not so much a retail district anymore and there were certain exemptions that were allowed in some um garbage being a
big issue for the area. I'm serious about all that stuff. I think these are things that um unless we have an application, we're not sure. which we don't have an obligation like that
to learn for some taken because the zones themselves uh haven't been updated. So I think those things consideration because of the potential potential that
we can be faced proponent building Washington you can go around you can see these that are sitting there and in the climate we're in there opportunities
look make them all we can discuss for a while but I just propose those so as soon as possible you know and no later I want I think warehousing order
in March I think these should We just have to put some time down because they look silly. Thank you. Yes. We worked on some things for prohibited
uses and stuff. Um sent over. >> Yes. Yes. But I think that we, you know, those kind of whatever we worked on, we worked on the warehouse. I don't know if we ever >> Well, we we sent
I don't remember when cuz it was a while ago. We sent prohibited uses. It was three or four swarms like bail bombsmen and check cash in places like pawn shops like that. Um, and then later or after that, we sent a definition for prohibited for adoption of private use
for for uh short-term rentals. And then after that, we did the warehouse. So, we sent at least all five of those over the last year. >> Yeah. Uh, I I'm sure I haven't find I think we should
reset them now. >> Okay. and others. There's a couple applications we had where they had this divide the lot and it was a smaller lot that was undersized and we denied the
application on several >> and um I think have to make sure that over the years we we've uh modified some of our zoning so the minimum lot size by 100 I think we have to just be cognizant
that you can't look at some neighborhoods and say, "Oh, well, that neighborhood, you know, some of some of the properties are 4500, so now we're going to put a put a house on there, right? It's there sitting there and we're going
to put something on there because I think that's dangerous that become more and more developed. We have to look at make sure the zones for change per unit but let's minimal size. >> Yeah, we all know that there's several
non-conforming existing lots that are think 40 by my position is just because that is the case that doesn't mean if somebody has an 80 by 100 lot we should let them split. I I would not be that we have zoning we we have zoning in place
that that we could deny that easily. Thank you. Anything else? I just like to echo a little bit of Mr. Evans said because they might know what
property bank has been people buy and you know I think they're getting closer to making deals with my my about those properties also going up on park and
myself and you know I would hate to see a young person or a big company or whatever buy one of these properties now with the intentions of developing here because it don't say what it is. So I can't agree
more with Tom about it's really something for example like I said I mean Google done you know somebody to buy the applicant all time invest that money can't develop it so to be fair >> what do you mean you can't why would you
be able to develop for example the market that's a B2 zone >> right >> we can put uh >> I thought was talking about maybe property we have to But but a B2 zone has >> it's an R3.
>> That's an R3 zone. >> That's R3. >> And it allows town homes and allows garden apartment. >> Yeah. And how about air? Is that the same zone? >> Yeah. >> The reason I was I was what I was going to say was in a V2 zone we have density.
They can't do I think it's >> that zone has a different density requirement which allows a lot more units. He's talking. So >> yeah, in R3 that's different. I understand. So >> okay. All right. >> My point was and I'm sorry.
It's just that we have certain properties that are we don't realize how big they are and we're used to them being a certain kind of use. In both cases, it's more of a not for profit commercial use. That could easily change.
>> And the implications of that will be significant. And not to mention that selling those properties within the health drives the cost of the purchasing and then it as a municipality you can't
you know somebody which I would be very >> well if the if the current zone for the amest is an R3 and we were to change it to a B2 then it would we could control the vessel
>> or we could adopt density for R3. >> I understand that. But let's talk about the property, right? >> So, right now it's zoned the townhouse. So, somebody was purchasing. >> Yeah. But let's say you're you're out from doing it and now all of a sudden we
decide to change the zone. How do they deal with that? Well, if we changed the zone before they put the permit in the application in. >> But that's my point because the buyer who's buying it doesn't know what we're talking about. >> If you apply and apply, you know, when
you apply it, you're missing my point. Maybe >> my point is they're buying it today with the with the knowing the law on their side that they could put forward.
>> That's correct. >> Okay. Now, >> but if they don't do it, they don't get it. >> But if we sit on the property for six months and months, you guys can't. >> Yes. >> Because we can't change it. You have to
fill an application. >> If it was your kid, I don't know. >> They apply. You can't change it at all. >> Yeah. They have to apply. >> That's the law. Never was changed. If you close if you close on that property
today and you just hold it and I'm gonna I'm going to put guard apartments there, right? And you go you call an architect. You get everything all set up. It takes you a year and a half to jail between that today when you close and you come to the to to the town hall application.
If the township changes the zone, there's nothing you can do about it. That's just the law. You know, he would have to put an application in today and then just keep renewable. Just protect yourself from that. >> Well, the way we're talking about it because I think that that's something that we should let maybe a potential
buyer know somebody doesn't make a bad investment. >> That's the lawyer. You know, exactly right. I think we should >> all boils down to we have to address that those those types of properties to
make some changes to protect our density and our >> Okay, thank you. Sounds good. Anybody else? And Mark, to the commissioner's point, all the work that we all did last year
in the workshops and the work that the planning board did with these ordinances that you sent to the commissioners, I gave those to Paul Ricky and Paul Ricky put that in a trap changes version. >> So I think it's if you glance at it and
you'll review it, it's ready. All that work that you did, I gave it to Paul already. It's in the zoning code form. So if you want to give it to him, you can probably give it to him tomorrow. >> His definition for for a accessory dwelling is isn't any good. We got to
change it. >> Well, that would be me and you and him. We can go over. But all the work that the planning board did last year, I gave it to Paul. >> The warehouse definition is in there. We should send that to the commissioners tomorrow. Yeah.
Send it again. Return your seat request. Thank you all for your uh participation. Anything else? Miss uh matter. >> I I just want to remind everybody that no one else does this. The entire city joint meeting
joint meeting of the joint meeting of the planning board is required but no one else has the governing body and the board of education. So uh as usual not as usual
>> that's absolutely yes I was going to ask the board education if that's how board of education I think everybody will continue to to to understand that we're we're capacity buildings um our
enrollment is been relatively you know give or take 100 kids every year um but we should have capacity So yeah, more more children that go to school about 500 kids.
>> Same thing with school in the highs. >> 500 kids in the class. >> Yes, it's in the in the high 400. And we we've done a lot of work obviously with the help of the
commissioners, you know, expanding our prek program next year starting in September. We're going to move sixth grade sixth grades from all the elementary schools to new school that starts in September. >> Yes, >> that's that's going to be in September. And that's directly because of the uh
relationship we've commissioners helping to give us over the last few years. >> How is prek doing by Nicholas Park? Okay. Okay. >> Yeah. The priest uh again the two was working together early childhood facility bring about 110
preschoolers there. It's it's a huge success the past we've got that operates every day great way. Uh we've expanded preschool across our district. Right now we put in the state capacity of preschool. Next year 90% of our preschool universe if funded will have
access to preschool. the women in sixth grade classroom schools in sixth grade in the monumental task of our district. We couldn't do it without support especially would be a huge success very great. Thank you. That's that's a that's a
that's good for him. I got a question for have you have you uh explored any any getting any more properties purchasing more properties? I mean talking about quite a few properties
pretty large to the board as explored >> as far as to expand but the prek seems to be a great success. So, so I mean you know I think at our last meeting
>> we discussed you know what it's actually having a real estate problem not child you know schools have to be larger the rooms are you know you know breaking but you need to get maybe I don't know problem I'm just
asking have you explored looking into maybe obtaining properties south of Nutley that are going to be coming up for We we meet regularly with the board of commissioners. Um we have sub committees
commissioner evidence commissioner on the subcommittee myself. >> So you are looking different opportunities. We looked at some properties that were uh reopen available. be pursued. One
right down the street here on Washington Avenue property. So we are looking at those and nothing has nothing has surfaced here. It's concrete and we're able to do we do we do meet regularly with commissioners or sub committees and
we do look at everything around town. totally said something that >> they come up and that's a great idea. I think that's I think that's that's how how we um we were able to work together on the 77 because of the sub committees
brought it together and then one of commissioners commissioner commission two committee very very students there >> are there more that are trying to
>> uh we have a pass schedule about 125 students location capacity. We have 10 rooms. We also move the board of education out. >> Yeah. What allows us to to move the sixth grade eventually moving board offices from the middle school to the
property avenue that this property is very efficient. Cost savings are huge. was managed to work through our agreement to to fund that mostly preschool funds and then occupy the third floor for our board offices which um has a lot lot of positives to it and
that allows us to go on Franklin Avenue allows us to to be as efficient as we can that's where the board of ed is building efficiencies in our space who also prek not just kind of space we have partnered with outside 3k case we
have we have right here of St. Paul's church St. church. We have we're operating three classrooms. We have the ability to go up to four possibly five classrooms. We've transitioned that out to a private private payment that's working directly
with education. So we are you know as space becomes available we're looking at it as as space that we can use or possibly one of our partners. So there's a prek you know one of the agencies that's simply for additional space
for sometimes we can't do those things you know we recommend it to them and they take back >> free free oh Great. I like >> Excuse me.
>> Please take your time. >> I I'll be trying to be very concise. We established a two-year flight up. First step of the plan was to acquire the 777 building which the municipality did for about $9.8 million in which
included buying the fully renovated building for a private owner. Once that build was complete, we took it uh astonishingly only eight and a half months eviction demolition and co occupied. The
board of education moved off of their property on Franklin Avenue which was in the valley back building right to 777 and the school became available for additional prek students. But that was first step of the plan. Second step of
the plan is exactly there would be renovations internal to the middle school that will allow the middle school to absorb 13 roughly 13 classrooms to accommodate a sixth grade classroom that then are spread out across the grammar schools which were necessary for sixth
grade students are now available. What it does, I mean the intent is the goal is to get ultimately get 100% of our demand for prek under the state's tuition program which in fact allow them
to have prek children in getting that that step. uh as they will tell you uh critical to that early development years especially with development activity address if they you know they need
potentially IPs for them but it's beneficial it allows sixth graders in September to go into what is now a real middle school not a junior high and they have a three years experience which is educational and more developmentally
sound for those students We're doing all of that now roughly $80 million revenue for about 12 million man pay for commercial. Perfect.
Um, just for a little bit of business for us. Our next meeting is the 4th of March, right? That's going to be a workshop meeting. Now, we got plenty of stuff to talk about. Okay. Uh, I'll put some notes together. I send an email out so we're all on the same page and we'll
get together. Committee reports. Some committee reports. Counselor. Anybody from the public want to speak? There's none in favor. Thank you all.